Episode 1000754887874

0:13 Voiceover What did that guy say? I don't know, that music was ripping, though.

0:29 Voiceover Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-E-191, fax number 3108-5444-55. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew is not in studio tonight.

0:38 Drew But I'm here. Where are you, Drew?

0:41 Adam Yeah, I can hear you.

0:42 Drew I'm at KOME. I'm at San Jose.

0:44 Adam Oh, okay. How's that going?

0:46 Drew Great. I'm in San Francisco, but right now I'm at KOME.

0:50 Adam They treating you well over there?

0:52 Drew Yeah. Listen, these studios are beautiful. You're right. Westwood Nunn is a dump.

0:57 Caller Yeah, it is.

1:01 Adam It is a dump, Drew. And we've gone to other studios and markets that are half the size of LA, and they're all nicer, right?

1:09 Drew The only thing I miss? My chair.

1:12 Adam Yes. But what is the only thing in this studio that was not provided by Westwood 2?

1:18 Drew My chair.

1:18 Adam That's right. So what have we learned? Everything is a piece of crap in this studio, but the stuff I got from the listeners, namely these two big beautiful leather thrones that a couple of listeners were kind enough to send to us. What Men Want is the title of the book. Brad Gerstman and Chris Pizzo. Yes. You got it. Are both here. Now these guys, and there's a third guy. I don't even want to get into him. What is that? Rich?

1:46 Guest Yes, Rich Seldes.

1:47 Adam Rich is an MD., Drew. And guess what?

1:50 Drew Brad's, he's not here.

1:51 Adam He's not here because he's too busy.

1:53 He's doing God's work.

1:54 Adam Right.

1:55 Drew Brad's the attorney, right? That's right. And Chris is a CPA.

2:01 Adam Right. Hey, what is it? I noticed, I know the Esquire at the end of the name, but what the hell does that mean? That doesn't mean anything, does it?

2:09 Guest It's an old fashioned word that basically indicates that you're an attorney. It's real fancy for us attorneys.

2:14 Adam Oh, is it? Is it fancy for an attorney?

2:16 Guest No, you know what it is, is all attorneys use it, and I've been asked that question because it's on the front of the book, but you know, just an old fashioned thing that indicates that you're a lawyer.

2:25 Adam But is it used more liberally now, a rap artist putting Esquire at the end of their name?

2:31 Guest I hope not.

2:32 Adam Drew, do you know what I'm talking about?

2:34 Drew This guy uses it as a ploy to get dates, what are you talking about?

2:37 Guest If I can make as much money as a rap artist, then certainly they're entitled to use it.

2:42 Adam All right, so these guys, this book, What Men Want, is basically a straightforward book. It's written by these three guys, they all went to high school together, they're all professionals, they've all been in the dating world. And instead of a couple of yentas from Long Island telling you what women want, you know, and I know you guys talk to the rules of women about this, but to me, it's hard to buy something off of someone that you wouldn't want to be with. You know what I mean? It's like you're going to some guy's kitchen, it's a mess, it stinks, there's roaches everywhere, and he's trying to give you a recipe for chicken. And you're thinking, wait a minute, I got botulism, just walk into the kitchen, for Christ's sake. All right, so this is a straightforward book, and it's on the national bestseller list, and these guys have been doing Geraldo and 2020 and making a stir, and because of that, they're on this show. And what is it, I've looked through the book, and I've looked through some of the literature that came with it, but what is the main message that you guys are trying to convey?

3:49 What we're trying to convey here briefly is that men are really looking for women who are proactive, women who will not be afraid to step up to the plate, make the first move. We say it's quite all right to approach men first. We're also looking for women-

4:05 Drew I read in your book, though. I read in your book, though, that, well, I read it in parts of it, and I read that if a woman, if you sleep with a woman on the first date, that's the end. Oh, yeah.

4:13 Guest We get to that. But I mean, that's one that's obvious to all guys, that if you sleep with a woman on the first date, that her credibility is definitely tarnished. And the guy thinks to himself, you know what? She's doing this with every guy, despite what she may say afterwards, like, you know, I've never done this before.

4:30 Guest Which they all say, of course.

4:31 Guest We all know what that means.

4:32 Adam All right. But here's my question. Are we, did you guys write this book from the male perspective, meaning we're here to tell women what guys think, even if it's not necessarily the truth?

4:46 Guest That's exactly what it is.

4:47 And really, it definitely is the truth.

4:49 Guest Oh, no, I mean, it is the truth. It certainly is the truth. You know, we figured that we're going to give the male perspective whether or not other guys are happy that we're basically handing over our game plan. You know, we said we don't care about that. We're just going to tell it honest. We say things about men's insecurities that a lot of men aren't so happy about saying, but we do say it in the book and we explain how women have more power over men than they even know.

5:13 You know what, when pressed, most men have to just lay down and agree with us. There's really nothing they can say against what we're saying because it is so truthful and honest. And they'll laugh and say, yeah, you know what, they are saying the right things here and it all is very true despite the fact they're a little upset that they're coming out and saying it.

5:32 Adam And let me say something to the audience.

5:34 Drew Adam, this is the stuff we have always said, maybe not using the same language, but it's material we've always said about the differences between men and women and what little I've read of their book, it seems more like a manifesto alerting women to what men are really thinking and how different men really are and they're different than they wish they would be or say they are or want them to be, but how they really are.

5:52 You mentioned the key word is alerting women, you know, we're really coming forth with some eye-opening information here to women.

5:59 Adam And let me explain too, because it's radio. Our listeners, who can't see the studio here, our guests, Brad and Chris, are quite attractive and professional men. Don't let the voices fool you. I think they're from New York. I know they sound like the Jerky Boys, but we got to understand. No, I swear, if I was to listen to the show, I think I was talking a couple of diesel mechanics or something. These guys are wearing expensive watches and nice blazers and they're good-looking and they reek of LeVoris and High Karate.

6:32 I'm not sure if this is a compliment or not.

6:34 Adam No, it's good.

6:34 Guest You didn't say we need Viagra, so we're okay.

6:37 Adam Very good.

6:37 Just make sure you pronounce your R's, Brad.

6:39 Adam You ready to get to some calls?

6:41 Drew Let's go to line one.

6:42 Caller All right.

6:44 Drew Am I on a little delay here with you?

6:45 Adam Sounds. You're fading in and out a little bit.

6:49 Drew Mike?

6:49 Adam Robert?

6:50 Yeah.

6:51 Adam You're 12.

6:52 Caller Yeah.

6:53 Caller What's going on?

6:54 Caller Well, I was wondering how old would you have to be before you'd have to quit having sex?

7:02 Drew There is no sort of a... Right. Well, there's no age limit, really. I mean, many people, men particularly, have sort of a drop off in their sexual capacity and sexual drive. But people who take good care of themselves, people who are otherwise in good health can go on and have sexual relations to a very advanced age sometime. What happened, Robert?

7:20 Caller Oh, well, I heard my grandpa having sex and my grandma's 57 and my grandpa's 58 and they were watching pornos and everything and-

7:37 God bless them.

7:39 Drew It's not that old.

7:40 Adam You think they're watching the Age to Perfection series? You guys ever see those? 40 plus.

7:49 I'll tell you, he's practicing the variety theory, you know, that we speak about in What Men Want. You know, as men get older and men marry and commit to women, they're very afraid of not being with another woman ever again and they really do lust after many women and some men act on it differently and pornography is one avenue, I would say.

8:09 Adam Yeah, it's like-

8:10 Guest Masturbation is another.

8:12 Adam It's like, oh, tell me about it.

8:14 Drew Robert?

8:15 Adam Robert, they're not old. I know you're 12, so everyone's old to you, you understand? But my grandmother was 84 and I swear to God she was getting it on until she was 80.

8:26 Drew What about what she said at the dinner table? Which time, I guess, you want to know?

8:31 Adam Yeah, she asked me if I knew what a rim job was about. I swear to God, about eight years ago, I want to know what a rim job was. And then, I swear, two months ago was telling me of things she found that reminded her of my dear departed grandfather and she pulled vaginal lube out of the medicine cabinet was waving that around.

8:52 Guest I hate when that happens.

8:53 Adam So I think they were sexually active for quite some time. And it's not going to hurt anybody, Robert. What are you worried about?

9:03 Guest I think your grandparents have a lot of years of good sex to come.

9:06 Adam Oh, yeah.

9:08 Drew A little inconsiderate for them to expose you to all this at your age.

9:11 Adam Well, what do you do, just hear it?

9:13 Drew Right.

9:13 Adam Did you hear it through the door or what?

9:15 Caller Yeah. Well, my sister's bedroom is right next door, too.

9:20 Drew How old is she?

9:21 Caller She's ten.

9:22 Adam Why are you living with your...

9:23 Drew That's not right.

9:24 Adam That ain't right. No. Why are you living with your grandparents?

9:29 Caller Well, I live with other grandparents right now. I just went up and visited them. Well, I'm living with...

9:36 Drew Where are your parents, I think, is our question.

9:39 Adam That's right.

9:39 Caller Well, I called here about last week about my dad.

9:45 Adam You called the show?

9:46 Drew Your dad... No, Robert. Your dad was masturbating next to you?

9:50 Yeah.

9:52 Adam Oh, the inappropriate family.

9:54 Drew Yeah, your dad was a drug addict and was much more alert that night. Are you okay?

10:01 Caller Yeah.

10:02 Drew All right.

10:03 Adam Oh, boy. So these are the... This is the other set of grandparents.

10:08 Caller Yeah.

10:09 Adam But you're staying with your grandparents as well.

10:11 Caller Yeah.

10:11 Adam But it's another set. Oh, Robert.

10:15 Drew You've got a pretty heavy burden, Robert. I mean, there's a lot of stuff being put on your plate, guys, but...

10:21 Adam Here's what you got to do, Robert. Go to school, sign up for every sport they have, study hard, rarely come home. Just come home, sleep, eat, go back and play more sports and get some kind of scholarship and move far, far away and go to college. That is your six-year plan, Robert. You understand? And get yourself a stereo for your room and play it real loud because hearing grandma and grandpa getting it on all night is going to put a real kink in it. His puberty may not set in for another four or five years now. Oh, Drew. Can you imagine that? I guess it can be disturbing, huh? Well, it's no wonder. I mean, this guy, we got this call about two weeks ago. This guy's dad was estranged from the family and then they spent a night together and his dad was whacking off next to him in a bed and it's really despicable and pathetic behavior. But the point is, is this dad had to come from a family too and this is it, right, Drew?

11:21 Drew Right, exactly.

11:22 Adam Okay.

11:23 Drew Let's go to line four.

11:26 Adam Make it a less dismal one, please. Lisa.

11:28 Hi.

11:29 Adam You're 25.

11:30 Caller Yes.

11:30 Caller I'm very concerned about the habits, sexual habits of my boyfriend.

11:35 Adam Okay, this is good.

11:37 Caller No, he doesn't have an orgasm due to intercourse with me. He won't touch me below my waist. He only has an orgasm due to oral...

11:44 Adam Hold on. Where's your vagina?

11:47 Caller Below my waist.

11:47 Adam Oh, now that ain't right.

11:50 Caller No, I'm just saying.

11:50 Adam That is an asshole. That is wrong. Okay.

11:54 Caller Well, I mean, he's almost perfect. He's almost everything I've been looking for. This is a major red flag. He's 30, so he's older. And I'm wondering if this is something that could be worked on or if he's actually just lying to both of us.

12:09 Adam Hello, we've been together.

12:11 Drew Right.

12:11 Caller Six months.

12:12 Drew Does he have other has he out of the girlfriends?

12:15 Caller Four.

12:16 Kate, can I ask Lisa? Sure. Did did earlier in the relationship, did he touch you below the waist specifically, you know, oral sex, let's say, and then it regressed?

12:25 Caller No, never.

12:25 Never?

12:26 Caller No.

12:27 Drew Does he have any other weird fetishes?

12:29 Caller No.

12:30 Drew You sure?

12:31 Caller Well, that I've come across, no.

12:34 Drew I would expect you'll see some other stuff.

12:35 Adam Does he keep the does he keep the apartment real tidy?

12:40 Caller Yeah, he's clean.

12:41 Adam Oh, okay.

12:42 Caller Uh-oh.

12:42 Adam Could be gay.

12:43 Caller Well, that's my biggest problem.

12:47 Drew There is a phase of development, theoretically, that little boys go through where they are frightened by women's vaginas. And guys that get stuck or overwhelmed with those kinds of issues oftentimes will attach to another fetish, like, you know, feet or stockings or even sometimes think issues like cross-dressing come up. So don't be surprised if you see some other things around here, okay?

13:06 Adam Does he have any magazines around?

13:09 Caller No, huh?

13:09 Adam He keeps them hidden?

13:12 Caller Mostly we come to my house because he lives way, way far away.

13:17 Adam What's he do for a living?

13:18 Caller Excuse me?

13:19 Adam What does he do for a living?

13:20 Caller He's a photographer.

13:21 Drew Gay.

13:22 Adam Please, Drew, settle down now. And when you ask him-

13:26 Drew I can't defend myself from-

13:27 Adam I know. It's great. And it really sounds like you're saying it.

13:32 Drew No, I understand.

13:33 Adam Have you confronted him, Lisa?

13:36 Caller I have asked him why he can't have an orgasm inside of me. He said, if he's been like that, I thought maybe it was just me.

13:44 Caller He said it's just-

13:46 Adam All right, but why- Forget about-

13:47 Drew Wait, what was the answer? It's just what?

13:49 Caller He said he had a mental- It's a mental thing.

13:52 Adam All right, but what about the part about him not touching you down there?

13:58 Caller It's just- He just will not touch me. I mean-

14:01 Drew You guys, I think my theories apply here, that he's just overwhelmed by that. There's a whole fantasy, a theory about fantasies that Lung Bung Boys have about being swallowed up by or- All kinds of funny things.

14:12 Adam I have that, but that makes me want to jump in.

14:15 That's a good fantasy.

14:16 Drew That's right. Sometimes it's an overwhelming one that can't be dealt with normally.

14:22 Caller This is something that will never change.

14:24 Did you ask him if he had this problem with other girlfriends?

14:27 Caller Yes.

14:27 And what was his answer?

14:29 Caller He has not been able to have an orgasm.

14:32 But what about touching them below the waist?

14:35 Caller I didn't get into that.

14:38 Drew I know you guys wrote a book about normal psychology, but this is in the realm of the abnormal. And believe me, something happened. And that's what she's having to deal with here. Interestingly, if you guys with paraphilias like this can sometimes function very normally in relationships, it can be just isolated to the sex act.

14:54 Adam Well, they're probably better in every other aspect of it, to tell you the truth.

14:58 Drew They can be treated, but they're very difficult to treat, okay?

15:01 Adam All right. So here's, yeah, she heard you. Here's going to be the name of my book. Cut Your Losses, Honey. That would be the name of the book. So many people. You got to understand, hey, you guys have dated enough, right? I've dated, Drew's dated. I know it was another lifetime, Drew, because I know your wife listens to the show. But you have to understand that there just comes a time when you're not compatible with someone. Don't try to work on it. Don't try to turn the sow's ear into a silk purse. It just ain't happening. That's all right. Just move on.

15:33 Guest There's too much distance between them. I mean, compatibility is very important. And we say in the book, sexual compatibility is certainly a factor for male or female in the relationship. And if it's not working, it's not working. I mean, like you said, they got to come too far to try to work this out.

15:48 Adam If you think about it, you'll have probably 6, 7, 10, 12 relationships before maybe you settle down and get married. And in each one of those relationships, I will bet you'll spend an extra 6 months to 18 months that you shouldn't have working on it, when you probably should have just cut your losses and moved on. At the end of 8 or 10 relationships, it's like you got like 8 years worth of time spent on beta.

16:16 And a lot of bitterness builds up by that point.

16:18 Caller Right.

16:19 Guest I mean, it's the break up, get back, break up, get back syndrome.

16:21 Caller Right.

16:21 Guest You see it all the time.

16:22 Adam Lise, Drew?

16:24 Drew Line 5.

16:25 Adam Line 5?

16:26 Drew Ed, 31.

16:27 Adam You're all business tonight, Drew. Ed?

16:29 Caller Hey, what's up?

16:30 Adam What's going on?

16:31 Caller Well, I'm 31. Last year, this is really for Dr. Drew, last year I had an aneurysm burst in my brain stem in the pons region, and I had a hemorrhagic stroke and it left me with a lot of interesting damage. But you know, as they tell you, well, you're lucky because you're, you know, you're walking and seeing and breathing and all that. But I'm wondering if there are any medications that might, that might improve neural function.

16:56 Drew And what's the syndrome? Do you have pain?

17:00 Caller No, I was left with, I was left with a lot of damage to my balance center, and some problems with proprioception, and a certain amount of muscular control loss.

17:10 Drew So you're like, he's like, It was one of the cerebellar arteries, right?

17:14 Caller What's that?

17:14 Drew It was one of the cerebellar arteries.

17:17 Caller Oh gosh, I'm not sure which one it was.

17:19 Adam I'm not sure, the man's had a stroke. You think you can answer that question?

17:22 Caller It was in the pons region, is all I know. It's like back in the brain stem.

17:26 Drew They really couldn't get, and all I know is they couldn't flip the sucker off.

17:29 Adam Are you better or worse than, let's say, Slash from Guns N Roses?

17:35 Caller I have no idea what he's doing.

17:38 Adam I still bet he's more lucid. Wouldn't you say, Drew?

17:41 Drew But it's in the posterior circulation, which is the area of the brain that's responsible, among other things, for balance and motor control, these sorts of things. And so I'm not a physical rehabilitation medicine specialist, but people who work in that field usually use various kinds of physical techniques. There are no medications, per se, that I'm aware of that would change that.

17:59 Caller Okay, well, I was wondering, obviously, one of the things I've been trying to work with my doctors and my insurance is to get some therapeutic massage going and a few other things. There's only a certain amount of actual physical rehabilitation they'll pay for. The big one, I'd heard several years ago about a medicine that they were saying might have some possibilities for increasing synaptic growth in the brain.

18:26 Drew There's all kinds of theories like that out there right now. I don't know of any that's available readily. There's one called hydrogen. Yeah, hydrogen is not particularly effective in my reading.

18:36 Adam Hey, Drew.

18:39 Caller What I read was a long time ago.

18:40 Adam Hold on, quiet down there. Hey, Drew.

18:42 Drew Yeah.

18:43 Adam When it comes to massage therapy, can you request Asian bronze?

18:50 Drew You can.

18:51 Adam Or would you just get whoever they send you?

18:54 Drew You get to whoever the massage therapist is.

18:56 Adam Yeah.

18:57 Drew Is there a story you want to tell us?

18:58 Adam No. Last time, you know when MTV gave us that massage gift certificate?

19:03 Drew Yeah.

19:04 Adam I got some guy. I wasn't happy about that, but what are you going to do? And then the erection factor is a big deal. Because normally you go to massage therapists, you figure, okay, I'm going to line my belly, I'm going to get naked, someone's going to work me over. There's a pretty good chance I may get a little wood, right?

19:19 Caller Especially if you take a Viagra before.

19:23 Adam You line your belly, you get naked, you're going to get an erection nine times out of ten, right? Now you've got to flip over and there's a guy there.

19:31 Guest So what happened? You poked his eye out, probably.

19:33 Adam I did. I thought about NaM the whole time. Hey Ed, do you sound alright for someone who's been through what you've been through?

19:41 Caller It didn't affect the cerebral functions.

19:43 Adam Oh, that's good.

19:45 Caller Trust me, in some ways, it would have been better if it had affected cerebral functions because the back area of the brain, they can't clip the vein off. If it had been up in the front, they might have been able to do that, but you're messing with some major stuff that's below the reptilian cortex.

19:57 Adam Are you able to get around? Are you in a wheelchair?

20:01 Caller I use a cane and I have a hell of a lot of trouble standing and walking, but I get around somewhat. I went back to school to try and do something more.

20:10 Drew Do you have a girlfriend or something there?

20:11 Caller I'm not going to be running around working at IHOP anytime soon.

20:16 Drew Do you have a girlfriend, Ed, or anything like that, a relationship?

20:20 Caller Not since after it happened. No. That was pretty strenuous. That was pretty stressful for the person involved. That pretty much was a nice breaker for the relationship. I don't know. There weren't no problems anyway, but no, no, it's kind of, it's a little difficult to date right now. All right.

20:36 Drew When did, when did you, you were doing anything to predispose to this sort of thing? You weren't doing cocaine or anything like that?

20:42 Caller No, no. I had really, really high blood pressure. I've had it for years and I did screw up a medication about a month and a half beforehand. And one of the medications I'm on was procardia, which has a real big rebound effect.

20:54 Drew Yep. There you go.

20:55 Caller So we were still working through that, getting me back on the medication before the stroke. And some of that, certainly. And I was engaged in a really strenuous activity at the time.

21:04 Drew All right. Okay. Well, that's how it happens.

21:06 Adam Masturbating?

21:09 Drew No.

21:09 Caller What were you doing?

21:11 Caller I'd rather not say.

21:13 Adam Really? You're having sex?

21:14 Caller Yes. I was in the middle of sex, yes.

21:18 Drew And you had an aneurysm below?

21:20 Caller Yeah.

21:21 Adam When you had the orgasm?

21:22 Caller No, I didn't. I wasn't having an orgasm.

21:25 Drew Oh, how frightening for the woman.

21:26 Adam I'll tell you. She'll never be right again.

21:29 Caller She really won't. Trust me, that was the least of me.

21:32 Adam I know you're not worried about it, and she's a bitch for leaving you, but she'll never be right. She'll never be right. Was she, Drew? I don't know. Let me explain something to you, Drew, who's a doctor. When some guy comes in, he's had a brain aneurysm at 31, don't work the lucky angle. You know what I'm saying? A lot of doctors do that. Hey, you're a very lucky young man. You could have lost the other leg. It's like, listen, lucky is winning Super Bowl tickets from a radio station. That's lucky. Having a brain aneurysm and being confined to a wheelchair at 31, it's not like he's got a four-leaf clover in his ass. You wouldn't call that a lucky guy. Like if you saw him making his way with a pair of those corrective crutches down the street, you wouldn't go, that lucky son of a bitch. Look at him.

22:18 Guest It doesn't strike me as a lucky situation.

22:20 Adam No. Drew? Not lucky, huh?

22:23 Drew I'm learning from you tonight, Adam.

22:24 Adam Thank you. You're my master. All right, we have the author of the book, What Men Want, and we'll tell you more about what they want after this.

22:49 We're not keeping you up, are we?

22:51 I'm pitching a tent.

22:52 Oh, that's good. It's Love Line.

23:03 Caller Hi, this is Tori Amos and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

23:08 Adam Yes, you is. Brad Gerstman and Chris Pizzo are here. Wet Men 1 is the name of the book that they wrote. It's no leaflet. It's got a few pages to it. It's got a nice cover on it. It's, I guess, come out in paperback one of these days, right? It just came out on April 21st, and these guys have been on Geraldo in 2020 and all that business. And it's just these guys aren't psychiatrists or psychologists or sociologists. They're just working guys, single guys, guys in their late 20s and early 30s. And they're basically giving women the straight dope on what guys want. Who better to hear it from than the regular guys? So funny. It's always some 50-year-old YANTA or some gay guys writing a book about what men want.

23:54 Guest Right. I think this is a good premise. Like we keep saying that if you want to find out about men, who better to go to, like you said, than men themselves? But some people have a misunderstanding of what the book is about. They think it's maybe because the book is named What Men Want that it's a list of demands by men. But in reality, what it is, is it's a way for women to decipher men's conduct and actions. So they know where they fall in terms of the relationship, whether what we call the good for now girl, or the girl with wife potential. We try to show women those signs so they can weed out Mr. Wrong and nurture Mr. Right.

24:31 Adam You know what's funny is these guys, Drew, they did Geraldo last Tuesday.

24:35 Drew Without the show you were supposed to be on?

24:36 Adam When I was supposed to do that Geraldo.

24:38 Drew The same show?

24:39 Caller Yeah.

24:41 Adam And here's the deal and I was laughing about it on the air and I never did find out who else was going to be on it. But all these shows, and I don't know if you guys have been on the circuit long enough to get things pitched to you or have smoke blowing up your ass. But here's the initial call comes from my manager's office. This is two weeks ago. Hey, good news. Geraldo wants you to guest host or co-host with him on a show. Really? Geraldo does? Yeah. Oh, is he going to fly me out to Chicago? No, you're going to do it via satellite. And how many other guys are going to be on the show? I don't know. I think it's just you, and you're going to guest host. Okay. Well, sounds okay. Keep me posted. Then a week later, they call, Geraldo won't send a car. He needs you to get to the studio himself. And then I say, well, jeez, that's, he's really flirting with disaster, this Geraldo, not bringing his very important guest host in. I mean, what if I don't show up? What if I get in an accident? What if I show up late? He's not going to have a show. But then I got on the air, and Drew, you were here when I explained that there had to be at least eight other guests on that show, or also very special guest hosts, right? Of course. So who else was on it? Was it you?

25:57 Caller It was us two, I guess, Ellen and Sherry from The Rules. It was, I think, Dr. Judy Kurianski. There was another male doctor. I forget his name at this point. But yeah, it's the same thing. Brad and I happened to be in Philadelphia that day doing media, and they were filming out of New York.

26:14 Adam Captain Lou Albano was not on it? Usually he's on.

26:18 Caller We had to actually do it via satellite from Philly, and it was quite interesting. My earpiece went dead in the first segment.

26:26 Guest From all the screaming from people on the other side of the satellite.

26:31 Adam Those two from The Rules, you cannot get a word in edgewise with those two. And please, as God is my witness, you know their husbands are miserable, miserable guys. Could you imagine being married? I couldn't imagine being married to just half of one of them. I really couldn't.

26:47 Guest Well, I mean, that's the thing we point out. I mean, what guy would, you know, especially a professional guy who has a career, would want to put up with the games and that kind of behavior that they advocate.

26:59 Adam Right.

27:00 Caller Besides having to look at them every day. All right.

27:03 Adam So What Men Want is the name of the book, and we'll keep rolling along with the shows. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know. Chris, you're 24.

27:14 Caller Yeah.

27:14 Adam What's going on?

27:16 Caller Well, I have this problem that whenever I try and get intimate with a girl, you know, we'll start off with kissing and everything, and I'll have an erection at that point. But then later when it comes down to it and we have our clothes off, I lose it. Yeah.

27:33 Drew Is it with the same girl every time this happens?

27:36 Caller No. I had this happen to me once before, about four years ago.

27:41 Drew Have you ever been successful with a woman?

27:43 Caller Oh yeah. I just got out of a relationship for about three years and I never had a problem with her.

27:49 Drew Chris, the most common reason somebody you raise, that a guy has this sort of problem, is just anxiety, nervousness. And there may be some psychological background while you're predisposed to this, but fundamentally, if you're relaxed, you're going to function normally.

28:01 Adam Drew, your talent, Drew, weren't you saying off the air was a brain tumor?

28:05 Caller No.

28:06 Drew And once it's happened to you once, you're so anxious about it potentially happening again, that you cause it to happen again. That's the most common reason in your age.

28:14 Caller Right.

28:15 Drew All right? So you got to relax. You got to get with somebody you care about, somebody who you can communicate with, doesn't make a big deal out of this, and do it in a non-anxiety-provoking situation.

28:23 Adam Well, is this someone you're really into?

28:25 Caller Yeah. Yeah, it is.

28:27 Adam It is?

28:28 Drew Well, sometimes because they're really into it, that they get anxious. You know, they really are emotionally involved and overwhelmed and want to perform well and put a lot of pressure on themselves and wham-o.

28:37 Adam And Chris, this isn't just like you can't achieve an erection. This is like, this is someone else's penis and the guy's, the guy's been like a stocking meat in a freezer for the last eight hours, right? I mean, you can't even feel it, can you?

28:53 Drew Go ahead, Adam. Tell us about your experience. Go ahead.

28:56 Adam No, no. Chris, am I right, though?

28:57 Drew Why did you know in such detail about this?

28:59 Adam Listen, it happened to a friend of mine once.

29:02 Guest I'm wondering what the girl says when this happens, if anything.

29:06 Caller It's happened to me twice, once just real recently, and that's why I'm calling.

29:11 Adam Well, the problem is...

29:13 Caller They've both been really supportive to the fact where, you know, it doesn't linger on, they don't turn it into a big issue.

29:20 Adam Here's the problem as a guy, more often than not, but the problem is, is your first instinct is to make excuses, just like it is in any other aspect of life. It's like when the boss storms in the office, wants to know why the report's not ready, you don't tell him it's because you're an idiot and you smoke a lot of weed. You start making excuses, whatever it is, you want to try to save face. So the problem is, is a guy's first instinct to tell the woman while they're in bed and he's flaccid and he can't achieve an erection is, this has never happened to me before, usually I go on for hours, when it's erect it's like three feet long.

29:54 Caller I was there.

29:55 Guest Like a metal pipe.

29:56 Adam Now it makes the woman feel that much worse to hear how your penis has performed like a champion in every other instance, and then she assumes now with her it's her.

30:06 Guest And then also the guy has that much more pressure for the next time.

30:09 Right.

30:11 Adam In terms of soothing the woman, I think the best thing you could say to her is, this has happened before and it actually had happened. I was banging Claudia Schiffer last week and I swear to God the same thing happened.

30:25 Drew Then she'll know you're lying. The most reassuring thing you can say is, I care about you so much. I really wanted this to be right. I got so anxious about it and here's what happened.

30:32 Caller I'm sorry, that's all.

30:33 Drew Just be honest.

30:34 Caller What can I do next time to try and avoid this? I mean if it happens, you know, I throw.

30:37 Drew Well, one of the things you do is take, listen, are you on any medications?

30:40 Caller No, I'm not.

30:41 Adam You gotta get on some medication.

30:43 Drew Do you do drugs or alcohol, anything like that?

30:46 Guest That may work.

30:47 Caller I smoke and I drink.

30:49 Caller Couple more teens might help.

30:50 Drew Tobacco?

30:51 Caller Cigarettes, yeah.

30:52 Drew Everyday? I mean, you're a heavy smoker?

30:54 Caller Yeah.

30:54 Drew How much do you drink?

30:55 Adam No, he smokes a pack only on Wednesday, Drew, and then he doesn't smoke again.

31:00 Drew I mean, the ways I smoke, it sounded funny to me.

31:03 Caller I've never, I've never smoked marijuana before, which is...

31:06 Drew How much alcohol do you use?

31:08 Caller I'd say maybe a six pack a week, not all at once.

31:11 Drew No, that's not going to affect anything.

31:13 Caller It's more of a social thing, you know, come home for work.

31:15 Drew It's an anxiety thing.

31:16 Caller It's a better problem than Brad has, where he has to explain that he is erect.

31:22 Drew Adam, you guys are simpatico.

31:25 Caller How do I help myself along with this next time?

31:28 Adam That's Greek for small penis, simpatico.

31:31 Drew All right, look, Chris, just take the pressure off the intercourse and focus on the intimacy. That's what she wants anyway, okay? Focus on the holding and the moment and the feelings and try to find ways to relax yourself and your function will take over.

31:48 Caller We'll also have a beer first.

31:50 Drew That's not what I said.

31:52 Adam No, but being relaxed would help. All right, really the advice is don't think about it, although there's nothing else he will be thinking during this period.

32:02 Guest Maybe a couple drinks would be helpful just to calm him down and make him not think about it.

32:08 Adam I would think that anything that could get him in a more relaxed state would probably be good for him. Drew, do you got an opinion on that?

32:17 Caller Maybe think about baseball.

32:20 Adam Well, here's the next thing too. When he gets the erection when they're making out, he has to immediately have sex with her. So she has to wear like a skirt, no panties and he has to wear like velcro trunks or something and he has to immediately do it because once if you can get the penis in while it's erect it won't go limp. It's that it's that point of entry. Right, Drew?

32:42 Drew You seem to know an awful lot about this, Adam. I was kind of scared.

32:44 Adam Drew, it happened to me one time. One time. You understand?

32:48 Drew You learned some great detail in that single episode.

32:51 Adam Yeah, but what I learned was is I got the kind of penis where I get an erection in a funeral. I got an erection during Schindler's List. I get an erection all the time at totally inappropriate times. I mean, I'll be jogging. I get an erection.

33:04 Caller Did you ever get one on the bowl?

33:06 Adam Where?

33:06 Caller When you're on the bowl.

33:07 Adam Oh, I've had an erection that I sat out on the bowl with, but I don't know if I got one while I was on the bowl. That's interesting, though. I should think about that.

33:16 Caller That's right up there with the funeral, you know.

33:18 Adam But when this happens to you, and it did happen to me one time, your penis will not cooperate, and it is if... Now, in any normal circumstance, any guy, especially a young guy, I was probably 22, 23, all it's going to take is a minute or two alone with your junk in order to snap it right to attention, right? I mean, any 23-year-old guy... I mean, I was peeling them off in elevators. I was wanging off driving the delivery truck and stuff, you know.

33:47 Caller I used to put the fan on it.

33:49 Adam Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't take much, right?

33:52 Guest You were a pizza delivery guy?

33:53 Adam Crack the window.

33:54 Drew Yeah, toothbrush.

33:54 Adam Alcohol, actually it was beer. What's that?

33:57 Drew He had an electric toothbrush.

33:58 Adam Okay, Drew, please, you're embarrassing me in front of the paisans. The point is, is this was the only time I could do nothing with it. It just, that's it. I'm out for the night, I'm not coming back. That's it, you're on your own. Humiliating.

34:12 Caller Chris might want to try sleeping with his girlfriend when he wakes up in the morning. It guarantees a wreck then.

34:18 Adam That's not a bad point. Drew, what do you think of that?

34:21 Drew Correct.

34:21 Adam Okay. Drew, you got it. Well, why don't you tell me the next call you want to take and we'll tease it.

34:26 Drew I want to take line three, which is specifically for the guests.

34:29 Adam Oh, okay. Suzette?

34:31 Yes.

34:32 Adam All right, you're 41, you're upbeat. You got a comment for the guys?

34:35 Caller This is the first time I've listened to it. You guys are all great.

34:38 Adam Really? You've never heard of the show? You're not offended?

34:41 No, not at all. I think it's great.

34:43 Adam Drew hasn't put you off in any way?

34:45 Caller I'm wonderful.

34:46 Adam All right, Suzette. Suzette.

34:48 Caller Yeah.

34:48 Adam Hold your water over there for a second. We gotta go to break.

34:51 Caller Okay, sounds good.

34:52 Adam We'll come back to you. Will I have some questions for the guys?

34:55 Caller Yeah, yeah, I will.

34:56 Adam All right. Did you read What Men Want?

34:57 Caller No, but I know plenty about it, about that anyway.

35:01 Drew Okay.

35:02 Adam We'll find out.

35:03 Caller She's a woman. She must know what a man wants.

35:05 Adam We'll have a delightful exchange with Suzette and the guys from What Men Want right after this.

35:10 Drew I feel so liquidy.

35:12 Really? Loveline will be right back. W-E-B-N. Everybody's records is for everybody. Even the 30-something soccer mom driving around in her dusty blue minivan listening to her kids fight incessantly in one ear and Abba's greatest hits in the other.

35:40 Loveline.

35:41 All of my most sensitive areas were inflamed.

35:43 Oh, yeah. It's a good one.

35:50 Adam Hey, it's more Loveline. Phone number for Loveline, 1-800-L-A-V-E-191. West Side Connection will be in here tomorrow night, and then John Taylor from Duran Duran or ex-Duran Duran guy, John Taylor, and Neuronic Outsiders and all-around good guy, John Taylor, will be in here on Thursday when you're back in the studio. Right, Drew?

36:11 Drew Right. I'll be absent tomorrow and then back on Thursday.

36:14 Adam Right. Well, you'll be on tomorrow, though, won't you?

36:17 Drew No.

36:17 Adam Oh, you won't? I got to start looking into my own show. Who's going to be in here?

36:24 Drew Ask Anne. Well, we had discussed it, but she hadn't fanalized who was coming in. Who's coming in, Anne?

36:35 Nobody.

36:36 Caller Great.

36:37 Well, the doctor that we were working on didn't return any phone calls.

36:41 Adam Well, I'm sure some of those website connection guys have Ph.D.s, right? We don't need them. I'll just hang with the homies tomorrow. That'll be fine.

36:53 Drew Have somebody in here.

36:55 Caller We could come back.

36:56 Adam Yeah.

36:56 Guest If need be, we'll come back.

36:57 Adam Right. That's Brad Gerstman and Chris Pizzo. They authored the book What Men Want. Brad is an attorney and Chris is a CPA, and they're professional guys along with Rich. Is it Seldes?

37:15 Guest Seldes.

37:16 Adam Seldes. He's an MD and because he's an MD, he's, where is he? Out at New York?

37:21 Caller He's out of Philly.

37:22 Adam He's in Philly.

37:23 Guest He's saving lives as we speak.

37:26 Drew What's his field?

37:27 Caller He's a surgeon.

37:29 Drew Yeah.

37:29 Adam Yeah. Drew tried to be a surgeon, but they throw him out. Shaking hands, too much drinking. Drew, do you ever try surgery?

37:38 Drew I don't like surgery.

37:39 Adam You don't?

37:39 Guest It's tough with an erection.

37:43 Adam Suzette?

37:44 Caller Yes.

37:45 Adam Hey, you're 41.

37:46 Caller Yeah, hold on. Does that mean I can plug, I can go ahead and plug in my radio in now? No. Now that we're on the air?

37:51 Adam No. No, that'll screw you. Oh, okay.

37:53 Drew That's even worse.

37:54 Caller Well, G, in the time you guys took for a break, I could have had a baby. I've never had a baby.

37:59 Adam Okay. She's gonna have to hold on a little longer.

38:04 Caller Right away, they start complaining.

38:06 Adam Well, she's only been on hold for 11 minutes, and right above her on line two is Jen, who's been on hold for 62 minutes, and then just to the right of Jen, line six is Dana's been on hold for 54 minutes, and then 43 minutes, and 22, and 33. As a matter of fact, Suzette has been on hold the least amount of time from everyone who's on the board right now. So...

38:27 Drew I know, but I want to take a call for the guests.

38:29 Adam Okay. Suzette?

38:30 Caller Yes.

38:31 Adam All right. What's going on?

38:32 Caller As considerate as I am, I'll have all those people go first.

38:35 Adam All right.

38:36 Caller Well, what...

38:37 Adam You don't have a baby?

38:38 Caller No, no. I just was making a joke.

38:40 Adam Okay.

38:41 Caller No, I just had... I just had the length of time it took to get back to me.

38:44 Adam Right.

38:45 Caller But anyway, I'm just trying to make a joke. If you're wanting to find someone to be on, you know, looking for people, somebody to be on...

38:56 Drew So what can we do for you? What are you calling about?

38:57 Caller Oh, well...

39:03 Caller Well, my issue is, it's like a double standard. You know, I waited and didn't have sex with a guy for quite a long time and didn't do what I was supposed to do. It didn't make any big difference in the relationship. And so I can't really agree that this thing that you guys said that, oh, that a guy is going to think worse of a woman if she has sex on the first date. I'm living proof that it hasn't ruined any of my relationships that I have currently.

39:36 Adam Well, what kind of, plural? What relationship are you in right now?

39:40 Caller Well, I'm really not in one right now.

39:44 Caller It's basically...

39:45 Caller So they all went real well right to the bitter end.

39:48 Guest You made the point, thank you.

39:49 Adam Were you a captain of the speech and debate team in your high school, Suzanne?

39:54 Caller Well, I've gone about it the right way. I've tried to do what I'm supposed to do. You know, I've tried to look for Mr. Right for a long, for thousands of years. It just hasn't worked. I've tried doing the, you know, meeting men the right way, and it hasn't worked out that way.

40:12 Adam So you're saying you just want to go have meaningless sex on the first outing now?

40:16 Caller No.

40:17 Caller These are people.

40:18 Caller Well, not that I haven't done it.

40:19 Caller I spent years in my 20s doing that.

40:21 Caller Suzanne, it sounds like you can very, you know, benefit very much from reading what men want, and you'll really get an honest, open-minded discussion from three men that are active in the dating scene, and what we really do in the book is decipher and explain the man's conduct and man's behavior, and we don't just list out the behavior. We really get deep into why men act as they do and what we're feeling at that time, and maybe it'll be a good thing for you to pick up and get a better perspective on men.

40:54 Adam Is it on cassette?

40:56 Caller What's that now?

40:57 Caller It will happen eventually.

40:58 Adam You have to wait that out.

40:59 Guest But you know what?

40:59 Caller I've got three people trying to talk. I'm trying to hear each one of you.

41:01 Guest You know what happens? If you do have sex with a guy very early on in the relationship, you get classified as the good-for-now girl, and once you do get classified as the good-for-now girl, you really can't change to that wife potential. A guy really won't be that interested in marrying you. Because right away, like we said, your credibility will be tarnished.

41:20 Caller I understand.

41:22 Guest Guys will respect you if you wait a little bit. I know that blows the roof off of a lot of guys' lifestyles, but hey, we're telling it like it is.

41:31 Caller Well, I did that with one guy, and like I said, it didn't work. I did everything, like, waited years.

41:36 Guest Well, that's not the only factor to take into consideration, of course, the fact that you waited. I mean, there are a lot of other factors that go into a relationship.

41:42 Caller I know. Well, yes.

41:45 Adam Suzette, where do you work?

41:50 Caller I don't work.

41:50 Adam You don't work?

41:52 Caller I'm on disability.

41:52 Adam What's the matter?

41:54 Caller What do you mean, what's the matter?

41:55 Drew What do you want disability for?

41:57 Caller I'm on disability for depression and anything else. I don't like it. Depression and manic-depression bipolar.

42:03 Drew What medication are you on right now? What medication are you on right now?

42:07 Caller I'm on several different kinds of medication.

42:09 Drew What do you want?

42:13 Caller Let's see. I take Melarell, PRN is needed in the EDD at night. Right now, I'm on a manic deal here, this bipolar manic swing.

42:24 Drew Are you on Depakote?

42:25 Caller No, I've taken it before. Lithium? No, I've tried that. It didn't work. Hold on a second. I'm on...

42:33 Drew It's all right.

42:33 Adam That's right. We believe you.

42:37 Caller Viagra?

42:38 Adam Suzette, you got to find yourself a nice guy.

42:40 Caller What that?

42:41 Adam Find yourself a guy and go back to work.

42:45 Caller Okay.

42:45 Adam All right. Oh, boy.

42:49 Guest That's more than we bargained for that.

42:50 Caller She brings out a really clear point we talk about in the book is that men have a very hard time interpreting women's talk. Yeah.

42:59 Drew I mean, people, I mean, but she has a chronic disability. I mean, she's bipolar and she's in a manic phase now pretty clearly, and that's why she's having trouble thinking.

43:06 Caller Right. Well, that came out later, Drew. We didn't know that at first. It sounded like a regular old woman.

43:11 Adam Oh, boy.

43:12 Drew You got to remember, listen, you guys, you're not taking into fact that 17 million people, and a majority of them are women, have depression in this country, and a lot of that is bipolar depression. So there's a reasonable probability you're going to come across people with these kinds of conditions too, on top of the sort of general male-female problems.

43:32 Adam I dated 11 million of that 17. Right. I really did.

43:36 Drew Let's go to line four.

43:37 Guest I've been there myself.

43:39 Adam Helen.

43:42 Caller Hi, I'm here.

43:43 Adam Good.

43:43 Caller Hi, how are you?

43:44 Adam What's going on? You're 22.

43:45 Caller Yeah, I have a question for Dr. Drew. I'm 22 and my boyfriend's 29. And we tried Viagra just this past week.

43:55 Drew Why?

43:56 Caller Well, he doesn't have a problem with impotence, right?

43:59 Drew Then why did he take Viagra?

44:00 Caller Well, we've heard that it's supposed to stimulate, make your sex life better. If you do take it.

44:09 Drew What? This is a medication for the treatment of erectile dysfunction. It's a medication. We're going to yet to find out what the long-term side effects are going to be of this.

44:19 Adam Drew sold me a case out of the back of his Volvo wagon three nights ago. So don't act so outraged, Drew, please. You know how the game works.

44:26 Drew You use Viagra recreationally?

44:28 Adam Of course. This is what people are doing now.

44:30 Caller No, it's just once. I mean, we tried it.

44:32 Drew I mean, it was the medical condition that was being treated.

44:37 Caller What do you mean?

44:38 Drew I mean, he wasn't like he doesn't have it, but he was using this as a recreational product.

44:44 Caller Well, he was given one of his friend had one and he hold on a second.

44:50 Adam Helen, don't back that off for a second. Drew, listen, people put cocaine on other people's penises and then snorted off it. You understand? That's the kind of society we live in.

45:00 Caller Brad's done that a couple of times too.

45:02 Adam People do whatever it's going to take. They eat mushrooms, they eat peyote, they smoke weed, they get loaded.

45:09 Drew Viagra's been available for two weeks. People are already using it terribly inappropriately.

45:15 Caller Dogs all over town, boy.

45:17 Adam Don't you watch the news, Drew? This is what's going on. Women are taking this stuff now.

45:21 Drew No, they're researching whether it would be effective for women. It's not as though it's being used recreationally.

45:26 Adam Believe me.

45:28 Drew Helen, what's the question for Helen?

45:30 Adam Helen, what do you want to know?

45:31 Caller I was just wondering, is that bad? Because it was given to him. It's not like it was given to him by a doctor, but it was one of his friends that it was given to him. He didn't tell me about it until after he took it.

45:43 Adam How did it work?

45:46 Caller It didn't really make any difference.

45:48 Guest How was your sex life before he took it?

45:51 Caller It's great.

45:52 Guest So why would he bother taking it?

45:53 Caller I don't know. I guess he-

45:55 Guest If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

45:56 Adam That's right.

45:57 Caller Well, maybe it's because, okay, I'm 22, he's 29, and as far as I think is his concern, women doesn't actually reach their sexual peak until they're 27. Well, me, I like to have sex twice a day.

46:17 Guest Whether you need it or not.

46:18 Adam Right.

46:19 Caller I just have to have it. I want it. That's the problem.

46:22 Adam He can't keep up with you?

46:24 Caller Yeah. So, I guess he was kind of worried about that. Maybe this thing would make it work and get to fulfill her whenever she wants.

46:32 Guest You know what's funny, though? You mentioned that your sex life was good before this. You know what? Maybe he needs to know that.

46:39 Caller Oh, he knows that. He knows.

46:40 Guest Well, you know, it seems like maybe he has a little bit of insecurity because you want it more than him and, you know, thereby causing him to use, you know, this Viagra. But if, maybe if you let him know that, hey, the sex life is great, I don't need anything more from you, you know, he wouldn't have that insecurity and anxiety and then causing him to now try something else to satisfy you.

47:05 Adam Well, I don't think one episode or one run-in with Viagra is going to kill the guy. Do you, Drew?

47:12 Drew Something happened to Helen. You know what I'm saying?

47:15 Adam You mean when she was growing up?

47:17 Drew Yeah.

47:17 Adam She's a little naughty?

47:19 Drew Oh yeah.

47:19 Adam Let me just give a quick thing. Helen?

47:21 Caller Oh, how was I naughty?

47:23 Adam And what happened? Were you ever like abused or anything? No. No, everything's fine?

47:27 Caller Well, no. I was abused by my former fiance.

47:32 Adam Who abused you before him?

47:33 Caller No one.

47:33 Adam Nobody?

47:34 Caller Nobody.

47:34 Adam You just hooked up with an abusive guy?

47:36 Caller Yeah. I was with him for three years.

47:38 Adam Where's Papa?

47:40 Caller Where's my dad? My dad's with my mom.

47:42 Adam Uh-huh. And where are they? In prison? No. They never do anything?

47:47 Caller They never hit you?

47:48 Drew Your dad never hit you?

47:49 Caller No. Never.

47:50 Adam No. Okay.

47:51 Drew Never struck you?

47:52 Caller Never.

47:52 Adam All right. Well, she's got it. You know, sometimes, Drew, people have to take initiative in families. The family's cruising along very nicely. They've got to bring an abusive alcoholic or someone who's having some sort of sexual dysfunction into the family. And then so their kids, their kids have a role model.

48:07 Caller Adam didn't ask about the brother yet.

48:09 Adam Yeah. There's something.

48:10 Guest Dig around long enough.

48:11 Adam There's a little something going on with Helen. But anyway, Drew, you're hanging over there?

48:16 Caller Yeah. All right.

48:17 Adam Sound a little indignant tonight. That's all.

48:19 Caller You all right?

48:21 Adam What's going on?

48:22 Drew Call sound differently at a distance.

48:25 Caller All right.

48:25 Adam Drew, the show's not that great. I think that's what you're learning. You all right with that?

48:30 Drew Yeah. No, I'm disturbed.

48:31 Adam Okay. We'll work it out. We'll take nothing but boring calls the next break. All right?

48:35 Drew All right.

48:36 Adam Okay. Good enough. What Men Want is the name of the book and we'll be back.

48:56 Radio that keeps you up at night. It's Love Line only on W.E.B.N.

49:15 Adam Hey, we're back, we're running a little bit late for our top of the hour 10-second station identification, so we'll go to that, we'll be right back with the guys who wrote What Men Want.

49:25 Caller This is Loveline on Radio Station.

49:30 We are the G-spot on your radio dial.

49:33 Caller You're right there.

49:34 Loveline on 1027.

49:37 W-E-B-N, Cincinnati.

49:40 Adam It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew is in San Francisco on the horn tonight. Drew, you there?

49:48 Drew I'm here. I'm actually in San Jose right now. I'm at QME.

49:51 Adam Oh, that's right. But you're in Frisco on business for the next couple of days, right?

49:56 Drew I'm actually working on a great project. I'm telling you, I really... Let me talk about it. We're going around the country and doing symposiums on depression and intimacy and how antidepressant medicine screw that up sometimes and how dangerous depression can be. I'm with John Gray, the guy that does Men and Women from Venus. How is he? He's good. Really? Chairman of Psychiatry from the University of Virginia. It's a really interesting panel.

50:20 Adam Maybe he's just the nuttiest guy in Virginia. You know what I mean?

50:25 Drew The chairman of the Department of Psychiatry? So much so, I can't distinguish him from a female.

50:31 Adam Oh, it's a female? Yeah. Well, that's a mistake. All right, What Men Want is the name of the book. Brad Gerstman and Chris Pizzo are both here. Chris is a CPA, Brad is an attorney, and they wrote this book along with their high school, our longtime buddy Rich Seldese?

50:51 Guest Correct.

50:51 Adam Ooh, who's an MD, and he's not here because he's an MD. Same reason Drew's not here, because he's an MD. But they wrote this book, and it's sort of three single professional guys giving ladies a peek behind the curtain, a little straight dope on what men, single men are thinking and what they want out of a relationship and dating and all that nonsense. Drew?

51:13 Drew Yeah.

51:13 Adam You ready to move forward?

51:14 Drew To line one.

51:15 Adam All righty. Billy?

51:17 Yeah.

51:18 Adam You're 23.

51:18 Caller Yep.

51:19 Adam What's going on?

51:20 Caller I guess my question's for, I don't know, anybody that can answer it, but I'm in recovery, and I got about 10 months of honest sobriety. And when I was in my rehab, I pretty much picked up, well, everybody gets their own perceptions of how it happened or how you got where you're at. But I pretty much picked up that it's hereditary. And my mother, she had a problem, and she still drinks. I mean, she can hold a job, and she can do what anybody else can do. But she does drink still, and she has had a problem before.

51:52 Drew What's the question?

51:53 Caller The question is, since it's hereditary, like when I have children, I mean, can it be stopped at any, at any, as far, you know, as far as my kids, is it gonna affect them no matter what?

52:06 Drew Bill, listen, here's the deal. You listening?

52:08 Caller Yeah.

52:09 Drew All right. The probability of passing that gene along is about 50% per child, whether one or both parents have the gene.

52:17 Adam So it's no worse to have mom and dad alcoholics.

52:21 Drew Exactly. It seems to be about the same predisposition. So if you have four kids, the probability is two are gonna have the gene and two will not. But for the two that do not have the gene, they're never gonna become addicts. They're just not gonna happen. For the two that have it, the question is, how do you decrease the risks of having that biology?

52:36 Caller Right.

52:37 Drew And I will tell you, in my experience, the most profound impact on children with the gene is affected through having a parent in recovery. That they do still tend to get the disease, but they tend to get far fewer consequences and they get into recovery much more readily when they have a parental model of recovery.

52:56 Adam Hey, Drew, are you saying, so if the two kids that don't have the gene, if they do heroin, can they get hooked on heroin?

53:07 Drew Most probably not.

53:09 Adam Really?

53:10 Drew Yep.

53:10 Adam But is it the gene that would keep them away from doing heroin in the first place? Or does that affect it?

53:17 Drew It may. It certainly affects the quality of experience that somebody has from a drug like heroin. The experience is much more euphoric and much more rewarding if you have the gene.

53:29 Adam So they may both have the same likelihood of experimentation, but one is going to...

53:35 Drew The addicts tend to experiment more too. They do.

53:38 Adam Right.

53:38 Drew They tend to be more thrill seeking and they tend to utilize external mechanisms to deal with internal pain.

53:46 Adam Right. Meaning their girlfriend dumped them, they're going to go get loaded.

53:49 Drew They're going to do something. Yeah. Yeah. That tends to be the way it goes.

53:52 Adam Right. But they probably tend to make more money too, right?

53:55 Drew They tend to be very successful when the disease is under control. It's a very interesting, rich population of people, but they've got this one thing. They have this disease.

54:03 Adam All right. Well, at least they can afford rehab. Is that what you're saying?

54:06 Drew Let's go to line eight.

54:07 Adam Okay. She was very serious today. Kelly?

54:10 Caller Yeah.

54:11 Adam You're 25.

54:12 Caller Yes.

54:12 Adam You're on Loveline with the authors of What Men Want.

54:15 Oh, hello.

54:16 Adam Hello.

54:17 Guest I have a question. I'm dating a guy who's 45, and I don't know how my parents are going to take it, and I need to tell them, but I don't know how to tell them.

54:28 Adam Well, they probably went to high school with him. They probably know him.

54:31 Caller Maybe your mom dated him.

54:33 Caller Oh, God.

54:34 Caller That would be a shocker.

54:35 Adam He's not your real dad?

54:36 Guest Excuse me?

54:37 Adam No. Okay. How old are your folks?

54:41 Guest My mother is 47 and my dad's 49.

54:47 Adam All right.

54:47 Drew Same age.

54:48 Guest They should get along well, then.

54:50 Drew How did you meet this guy?

54:51 Adam I think talk about the Johnson administration.

54:54 Guest I met him through a mutual friend. I was at a bar and I met him there and really we're just friends at first. And then just things started happening.

55:05 Adam Have you always been interested in older guys?

55:07 Guest No.

55:08 Drew What does he do for a living?

55:11 Guest He's a salesperson.

55:12 Adam Oh, that's bad. What's he sell? What does he sell?

55:18 Guest He like goes around and buys businesses.

55:21 Caller He tries to sell those.

55:24 Adam Is he a little bit dicey?

55:26 Guest Excuse me?

55:26 Adam Is he a little sleazy?

55:28 No, not at all.

55:29 Adam He's not?

55:30 Guest Is he married?

55:31 Guest No.

55:31 Drew How long has he been married?

55:34 Guest A long time ago. He's been single for, I believe, 12 years.

55:40 Adam So you like this guy?

55:41 Guest Very much.

55:42 Guest How long have you been dating?

55:44 Caller Six months.

55:45 Guest All right.

55:46 Drew I think if you like the guy and if he's a decent fellow, your parents will accept. Obviously, they'll have some anxiety about it, but they will accept him.

55:52 Adam Yeah, but think about it for a second. I mean, she's not 19 and she's not, you know, 21. She's 25.

55:58 Drew Yes.

55:58 Adam And a lot of 25 year olds get hooked up with guys that are 26, 27. They haven't got their career off the ground. They're sort of no count. They could still be waiting for a check from mom or dad or uncle Sam each week or each month to come in the mail. I mean, maybe your parents will take some solace in this. Maybe they like a guy who's successful and has his ducks in order. I mean, I don't know, Drew, what would you think?

56:26 Drew No, that's what I think. I think that if he's a decent guy and if she really cares about him, the parents will be nervous about this, but they will accept him.

56:34 Adam You want to get married to him, Kelly?

56:37 Guest We haven't really discussed that much.

56:40 Drew We'll take that as a yes.

56:41 Adam Okay.

56:41 Guest How does he treat you? I mean, how's the relationship between you two?

56:44 Guest Oh, it's wonderful. It's really good.

56:47 Guest You see each other a lot?

56:49 Guest As often as we can. Yeah, he doesn't live. He lives probably about an hour away.

56:53 Adam How old does he look?

56:57 Guest Probably in his late 30s.

57:00 Adam All right. So he could put in a little Grecian formula and put on like a like a Knicks uniform or something and come by like a wind-up beanie or something. And maybe they could pass himself off for 33, 34.

57:12 Guest Tell him to leave the cane at home and it'll be OK.

57:15 Adam Right. Empty the bag before he comes over. So there's no noticeable bulge. He doesn't wear one of those jumpsuits with the built-in belt, does he? No. Because that's a deal breaker when the guy shows up. You know, the jumpsuits with the monogrammed initials and the cigars hanging out of the pocket.

57:31 Guest Chris used to date guys like that all the time.

57:34 Adam And the glass is not with the tether on it but with the chain. That's a bad sign.

57:40 Drew Line three.

57:41 Adam All right. I think that's all right. I think they might be OK with that. But here's the thing that's interesting. And Drew and I were talking about this on a plane flight once. A lot of women are interested in older guys. So let's say they get married. This guy's 20 years her senior. Then guys kick off 10 years earlier than women do.

57:59 Guest She has an opportunity to get someone new after that.

58:01 Adam Absolutely.

58:02 Guest Double dip, if you will.

58:03 Adam You take that 20 years difference already, and then you add the other 10 that women seem to outlive guys, or maybe seven, eight years. She's in her 50s. He's in his 70s. He kicks off, leaves her with a big wad of money and a Mercedes. She goes out and has sex with a pool guy.

58:18 Guest Things are looking up.

58:19 Caller You can marry the next guy, divorce him and get half.

58:22 Guest It's a good way to make money over a number of years.

58:27 Adam What line do you want, Drew?

58:29 Caller Three.

58:31 Adam Anne, you're 30.

58:33 Caller Hi.

58:33 Adam What's going on over there?

58:35 Caller Hey, I just wanted to tell the guys that I had heard them on another radio station that I won't mention, but their book is great.

58:43 Guest Thank you very much.

58:44 Caller It is the most realist. I'm at UC Davis. I'm in the clinical program in psychology. That was just the most realist book I've ever read on men.

58:55 Adam Really?

58:56 Caller Yeah.

58:56 Adam This is actually Anne the publicist is calling from the Lakers studio down the hall.

59:01 Caller Anne, actually, thank you very much. Also, you are echoing a lot of what we've heard since the book has been released. We have a website up and people have come there to interact with us. A lot of women are echoing what you've had to say. They're applauding our honesty and our candor and they think it's very eye-opening.

59:18 Adam Do you have a man in your life, Anne?

59:21 Caller Actually, no, not at the moment.

59:23 Adam What did you learn from the book specifically? Were there a couple of things that really opened your eyes?

59:29 Caller Specifically, I think I learned that I'm a good finale girl.

59:33 Caller Well, you have been. You certainly have wife potential within you, I'm sure.

59:37 Caller Yeah, but I just wanted you guys to know that that is and everybody else to know that it is just a great book and I recommend it to a lot of people.

59:43 Adam Well, what is the definition of the finale girl?

59:45 Caller Good for now girl is I'm sure you've had a couple in your past as well. You know, the girl that you're basically going to string along as a companion, someone to have sex with. Right. And what we say in the book is that many men will allow that relationship to continue without progressing. There's no reason for a guy to move it further or get out of it. And we decipher a lot of signals in the book when a guy is given the once a week phone call at four in the morning when he's had a couple of drinks, wants to come over. And when he's not really opening up his life to her, and he's just keeping that relationship basically on hold, and he's got one eye out looking for something better. The good-for-now girl is just that. She's good for now, and until something better comes along, she's there. But the most important thing is she cannot be upgraded to our other category of wife potential.

1:00:34 Guest Right. That's where women get hurt the most, because they stick in those relationships. When they are the good-for-now, they don't read the writing on the wall, they stay in the relationship, and they think they're going to change the guy and turn themselves into that wife potential with that guy. That guy has already categorized her as good-for-now. It's not going to change. So the woman has the power within her to say, hey, listen, this is what's going on here. I'm out of here. I'm looking for someone who's going to treat me and consider me a woman.

1:01:01 Drew Women need to find a way not to get themselves into that position of being good-for-now.

1:01:04 Guest Well, they have to know the signs and signals, you know, that sometimes because of that communication gap, and we all know men are very poor emotional communicators, and we point that out in the book. So we tell women, read the signs and signals that guys send. Don't let them fool you into thinking that, hey, things are going to get better when they're not. If you read the signs, unless a guy is trying to progress the relationship, bring him closer to himself, to his family, seeing her family, asking about her interview that she just went on, asking about the doctor's appointment, speaking about his career to her, the future, the vacations, everything like that. If these things don't start happening, then listen, you're really the good for now girl, and if you want to be there, so be it. But if you really want to get married sometime soon to a guy, you're going to have to just get out and look for the guy who's going to treat you well.

1:01:50 Adam I've stuck with-

1:01:51 Drew But listen.

1:01:52 Adam Yes.

1:01:52 Drew I see women often have a very intense emotional experience when they take the relationship to the physical element. When they start having sex with the guy, they assume the guy is going to increase their level of emotional commitment as well. When the guy doesn't.

1:02:04 Guest Well, that's why we all see it. It's a good point, and that's why we caution women against having sex too soon in the relationship, before they know anything, before they're able to read the signs that we point out in the book.

1:02:15 Adam I have stayed with girls who were the good for nothing girls for many, many years. But if the guy ever says this phrase to you, and this is one of the phrases you'll hear and know that you're a good for now girl, could you hold my beer while I have sex with your friend? You may be in the good for now.

1:02:33 Guest But that's only one factor to consider of course.

1:02:35 Adam That's very true.

1:02:36 Drew True? We hear a lot of women, you know, guys tell a girl look I'm not getting married now, I'm not even interested in getting married, and a woman thinks that I can change that too.

1:02:45 Guest Oh yeah, like we say in What Men Want, we say if a guy says I'm not ready for a commitment, what that really means in guy language is I'm never going to be ready for a commitment with you.

1:02:56 Caller But tomorrow Mrs. Wright could walk into his life and he'll be ready to settle down.

1:03:00 Guest Oh yeah.

1:03:00 Caller It's a line we've all used when we get pressured with a good for now girl is a, you know, listen I'm not ready for commitment.

1:03:06 Adam Anytime you try to make an excuse about any sort of interpersonal thing, you like to pick a much broader scape to paint, to use as your canvas. I know I'm screwing up metaphors there, but what I'm saying is you don't want to personalize things. People tend, when they make excuses, when they quit their job, they don't look at their boss and go, it's not because you're an asshole. They go, it's not right for me here, the environment here, here. They speak in generalities, and guys do that in relationships, too. I'm not ready right now to commit, I'm not ready to settle down, it's nothing to do with you, but it's everything to do with that.

1:03:41 Caller You deserve better, I'm a jerk, you should get something better.

1:03:45 Guest In one sense, it proves that guys do have a heart and don't want to really put it straight to women. But on the other hand, women really do want to know it's straight. They want to know really the truth of where they stand. And when you give them that answer, we may be poor emotional communicators, we can't tell it's straight, we do have a heart. I guess that's what it goes to prove.

1:04:03 Drew The guys also don't want to lose what they've got.

1:04:05 Guest That's another good point, to keep the woman strong and long.

1:04:08 Caller We do say in the book that men will take advantage of women who let them.

1:04:12 Adam Right. And I think by the same token, a lot of women will take advantage of men who let them. And it's almost a human quality more than a gender specific quality.

1:04:22 Caller As long as they have a penis and a wallet.

1:04:23 Adam Drew, I keep my money on a penis belt. So it's right there in the same locale. You got another call lined up, Drew?

1:04:31 Drew Line five.

1:04:33 Adam Zach.

1:04:34 Yes.

1:04:34 Adam You're 15.

1:04:35 Caller Yes.

1:04:36 Adam What's going on?

1:04:37 Caller OK. I'm gay. And it wasn't until like last year that I kind of like came out to myself, you know, and I kind of admitted it to myself. And since then, I've really been trying to like research about and find out more about like what causes people to be like this. But it's like there's like nothing out there. And if it is, it's all just porn, you know. And I was wondering about like what I know that they don't really have like, like no one knows what causes people to be gay. But I was wondering what like they were thinking, like what some of the theories were.

1:05:08 Drew There's all kinds of theories about it. I mean, in our self-selecting population on this show, a majority of our callers who have sexual ambivalence were sexually abused at a young age or had some sort of traumatic sexual experience that sort of seemed to have affected their ability to or how they developed their sexual identity. Anything like that happen to you?

1:05:27 Caller Well, I called in yesterday and they put me on hold, but I never got like got to go in the air. But I told the lady that I suspected something like that had happened to me because I do have like fragments of like things that I remember with my dad, but I can't really like be sure if I'm like just like hallucinating them or what.

1:05:46 Drew It doesn't really matter. I mean, it's just at least you know there wasn't any overt abuse. There are theories that this is all primarily biological. There's sort of some observations out there about the anatomy and structure of brain of people that become homosexual. And as with any human behavior, it probably is some combination of biological predisposition and the environment's effect. There's all kinds of theories in the psychoanalytic literature about your relationship to your mom and how that goes awry and what might foster a homosexual orientation. But by and large, there is no, I don't think, any unanimous understanding of why this develops. There is, however, an understanding that it's not pathological and that it can't be changed and that there is such a thing as a mature homosexual orientation.

1:06:31 Adam And it's sort of moot because once you've made that selection, that's pretty much it. I mean, you're chained to the penis. I mean, that is the direction you're going and that's what you're into. And there's not a whole lot you can do about it. It's like, I love the big breasts. And that could be for one of a million reasons. It could be a nature, it could be nurture. I'm guessing it's more nurture than it was nature. But the point is, is I love the big breasts. I'm going to be 34 in two weeks. And I hope for a present someone gives me some big breasts. And there's nothing anyone's going to do that's going to talk me out of it. But just like I don't believe there's anything that anyone's going to do that's going to talk a gay man out of being gay, even if the reason he's gay was because of something horrible that was introduced into his environment when he was younger. So it's neither here nor there. I think the thing is, is just sort of get comfortable with it and enjoy the ride.

1:07:30 Caller Yeah, I'm really, I kind of, like, I really became, like when I first, like, because I'm out at school, but like not to my family.

1:07:37 Drew You sound awfully comfortable.

1:07:39 Caller Huh?

1:07:39 Drew You sound very comfortable with it.

1:07:41 Caller Yeah, I really, at first though, because I was raised really religious and I was brought up like, you know, gay is bad, you're going to hell and all that, and I used to cry at night and pray and pray like, oh God, please change me.

1:07:52 Adam There's your environment there. And then usually guys who do that, so your dad may have done something to you too, right?

1:07:59 Caller Well, my dad wasn't really there a lot when I was like, really young because he's in the Coast Guard and he had to go out like on ships and stuff for months at a time.

1:08:09 Adam Right.

1:08:09 Caller So I, and then my parents got divorced when I was seven and like their whole relationship was really kind of screwy anyway, you know.

1:08:15 Adam But Zach, either way, you're comfortable with you, right?

1:08:18 Caller Yeah.

1:08:19 Adam Okay. So we don't know the answer and I don't know if anyone knows the answer and if they said they did, they'd probably be lying. But either way, you hang out with gay guys and enjoy a gay life.

1:08:31 Caller Right?

1:08:33 Adam Yeah. I'll tell you, it's a great life. I wish I was gay. I really do.

1:08:38 Caller We'd love to have you.

1:08:39 Adam No.

1:08:40 Guest There's a proposition.

1:08:41 Adam Maybe I'll come speak at the next rally.

1:08:44 Caller He found the penis he wants to be chained to.

1:08:48 Adam I wrote a book called What Gay Men Want. He just opened it. It was a picture of chaps and a daiquiri. That was all. I love schlong. All right. Please. Now listen, you guys are guys, guys. I know these guys are guys, guys, the guys who wrote What Men Want because when we went outside the studio about 20 minutes ago, the first thing Chris did was blow off a huge fart. Then Brad let one go and then I let one go. It was like that scene.

1:09:15 Caller Brad didn't fart. That was his breath.

1:09:18 Adam You farted again then. Then I let another one go.

1:09:21 Guest It was like that male bonding experience.

1:09:23 Adam It's like that scene in Close Encounters where they're communicating with the mothership. It was a symphony orchestra. Yeah, we're really going away and I said, these guys are my kind of guys. But the point is, seriously, think about the gay lifestyle for a second minus the penis. We could all hang out together. We'd get sex whenever we wanted. I can work on a house. I can work on a car. You're an attorney, you're a CPA. I mean, we could really have a good life for ourselves. We'd stay up all night and watch Nick's Games. I mean, we could really enjoy ourselves. Pizza and beer.

1:09:58 Guest No communication gap.

1:09:59 Adam No communication. No one would care. And you'd sleep in a separate room. We'd go on separate vacations. Everyone would be happy.

1:10:06 Guest That's why guys can understand other guys very well. But that's the communication gap between men and women.

1:10:11 Adam Yeah. I just think the gay lifestyle, other than the part about being sodomized, is a very attractive lifestyle.

1:10:18 Guest That comes with it though.

1:10:19 Adam Yeah, I know. Bless the penis. All right.

1:10:22 Drew It's sort of fundamental that difference is the fact that all men find flatulence funny.

1:10:27 Adam Right.

1:10:28 Drew And no women do.

1:10:31 Adam Thank you, Mike.

1:10:33 Caller All right.

1:10:33 Adam We'll be back.

1:10:54 Guest Man turns animal for the erotic pleasures of women.

1:10:58 It's love, all right.

1:11:08 Caller Hi, this is Poe, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:11:15 Caller Where is Poe?

1:11:16 Adam I don't know. I miss that Poe. And where's Poe? Get Poe back on the show.

1:11:21 Caller Again?

1:11:22 Drew Yes.

1:11:23 Adam It's been a while, hasn't it?

1:11:24 No, it's only been a couple of months, and she hasn't done anything since.

1:11:27 Adam Couple of months?

1:11:28 Yeah.

1:11:29 Adam No, it's gotta be at least six months.

1:11:31 Nope.

1:11:32 Adam Couple of months? February. Really?

1:11:34 Caller Yeah.

1:11:35 Adam All right, don't give me the stupid voice. Go look in that book. I bet it's, how many months you say? February, Mike says? Mike has, his brain is like a...

1:11:46 Caller January 15th.

1:11:48 Adam Okay. All right. What is it, five months?

1:11:51 Caller It's not time yet.

1:11:52 Adam All right, five months. That's almost six months. Come on. We like Poe. What can we say? Brad and Chris are here. What Men Want is the name of the book. It's doing real well. It's, how well is it doing, guys?

1:12:05 Caller We've gotten some feedback that we've hit the USA Today Best Seller List and the New York Times Extended Best Seller List, as well as the Barnes and Noble, Ingram and so forth. It's really predicated on the content and a great media tour that HarperCollins has put together.

1:12:21 Adam Could you imagine if Oprah put it on her Book of the Month Club?

1:12:26 Caller There's interest.

1:12:27 Adam Really?

1:12:27 Caller You know, we're hoping, you know.

1:12:30 Adam What do you think? She has a bunch of lackeys that just read stuff for her? I mean, how could she possibly read everything that's submitted to her?

1:12:36 Caller Well, there's like 18 producers over there.

1:12:37 Guest Yeah, there are 18 producers on her show.

1:12:39 Caller Oh, really?

1:12:40 Guest Just to be on a show, yeah.

1:12:41 Caller And they're going to hiatus shortly, so they're pretty booked up. But hopefully, you know, maybe kick off the new season.

1:12:47 Guest This book is only three weeks out of the box right now, I mean, what Adam?

1:12:51 Adam I didn't know. I just want to let Brad continue.

1:12:53 Guest That was it.

1:12:54 Adam Yeah, it's new and it's doing real well.

1:12:56 Guest It is a first.

1:12:57 Caller I never heard Brad say, that's it. He's an open floor boy. He can go on for all night.

1:13:01 Adam I wonder how many producers we have in our TV show. Do we have producers?

1:13:04 Drew We have a producer. We have all the segment producers.

1:13:07 Adam All right. But those are sort of glorified interns, aren't they?

1:13:11 Drew No, those are producers.

1:13:12 Adam All right. Are they going to get mad at me, Drew?

1:13:14 Drew Oh, yes.

1:13:14 Adam Okay, great.

1:13:15 Drew I'm mad at you.

1:13:17 Adam Hey, Drew, we don't have to go back there for a while, though, do we?

1:13:20 Drew To TV land?

1:13:21 Adam Yeah. What's going on with that?

1:13:22 Drew Probably about two or three months, I'm hearing.

1:13:24 Adam Hey, are they going to pay us more money in a couple of weeks?

1:13:26 Drew Yeah.

1:13:27 Adam Oh, this is the best part about TV. They pay you for not working. It's excellent. Everybody within the sound of my voice, got to get a TV show. You got to do it. I swear to God, it's the only profession in the world where they pay you for sitting on your ass.

1:13:41 Caller Kiss my ass, Adam.

1:13:42 Adam Oh, yes. All right, Drew?

1:13:45 Drew That's whether you're in production or not.

1:13:47 Adam That's right. That's the beauty of it. So we hope we don't start anything before. Oh, no. We mean we get paid no matter what.

1:13:54 Drew Well, even when we're doing those shows, we're just kind of sitting on our butt.

1:13:58 Adam Oh, that's true. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's a good point. Are you ready? Line three. Sarah.

1:14:04 Guest Hi.

1:14:05 Adam You're twenty seven. Yeah. What's going on?

1:14:07 Guest Well, hi, Dr. Drew and Adam and Brad and Chris. I just want to say hello to everybody. Love the show. What's happening with me is that I was in a car accident, fractured my skull, and my boyfriend was so great to me throughout that, and he really took care of me. And, you know, I just, we developed such a bond from him taking such good care of me that he became, like, in my mind, like my soul mate, you know, and I adore him more than words can express. And so we got married a few years ago even though really we haven't been sexually compatible since the car accident.

1:14:50 Adam Right, because you look at him as a male nurse, right?

1:14:53 Guest I think, like, one of my shrinks said it was, I don't know if it's correct or not, but sexual propinquity. Is that something?

1:15:03 Drew Propinquity?

1:15:03 Guest Propinquity?

1:15:05 Drew Yeah.

1:15:05 Guest I mean, like, I understand the word in the, in the Merriam-Webster's context, but I was wondering if...

1:15:12 Adam What does that word mean, Drew?

1:15:14 Drew I don't understand the word.

1:15:15 Guest Closeness of proximity or nearness is propinquity in the dictionary, but she said that sexual propinquity would be like that, you know, after I fractured my skull, I regressed to a childlike state, and I grew up all over again, and he was there for me, and he was like a caretaker, and, like you said, Adam, a nurse, a father.

1:15:36 Adam Right.

1:15:36 Guest And so now I look at him, and when I think about him sexually, I can't imagine him and-

1:15:45 Adam Can you picture him in a candy striper's outfit?

1:15:48 Drew Well, Sarah, do you otherwise have normal-

1:15:50 Guest I wear that one. Just kidding.

1:15:53 Drew Sarah?

1:15:54 Guest No, I think-

1:15:56 Adam Hey, Drew, is your mic on?

1:15:58 Drew That's what I'm wondering.

1:15:59 Adam No, I can hear you. People don't pay attention to you, Drew.

1:16:02 Guest Oh, sorry, did I run over you?

1:16:04 Adam That's all right.

1:16:05 Drew Sarah, do you otherwise have normal sexual functioning?

1:16:08 Guest With other men, yeah.

1:16:10 Drew You've been with other guys?

1:16:11 Guest Yeah, a lot, actually. Unfortunately, I'm manic depressive too, so I kind of went like off, and that was- I was diagnosed when I was 19. He kind of took care of me through that one too, but then I was on lithium when I was 19, and that nearly killed me, so I just went off of everything for a long time.

1:16:31 Adam Sarah, how did you get in the accident?

1:16:33 Guest Actually, I was driving to work one morning, and a guy hit my car head on, and I fractured my skull and stuff.

1:16:40 Drew But listen, so you never really had much the way of a sexual relationship with this guy, is that right?

1:16:44 Guest Well, I did for the year before the car accident. We had a great sex life, and I was very happy with him, and-

1:16:52 Adam All right, let me just do a quick recap here, Sarah. You're married to this guy now. You've been married for how many years?

1:16:57 Guest Three.

1:16:58 Adam Three years. And how many times have you cheated since you've been married?

1:17:01 Guest Let me think.

1:17:02 Caller One, two-

1:17:03 Adam If you got to take your shoes off, that's trouble.

1:17:06 Guest More than six.

1:17:08 Adam More than six.

1:17:08 Guest Where is he right now?

1:17:10 Guest He's at work.

1:17:11 Adam Is this six different men or six occasions?

1:17:14 Guest No. Oh, God knows. At least six different men, and on probably at least 50 or more occasions.

1:17:22 Adam Oh, really?

1:17:23 Guest 50. I mean, I'm not trying to use manic depression as an excuse or anything. I'm just saying that before I got treatment, before I got drug therapy, I was hypersexual, and I was unaware that I was so deranged.

1:17:38 Guest This conversation will keep many single guys single for the rest of their lives.

1:17:42 Adam Well, no. No kidding.

1:17:44 Caller He knows nothing about this?

1:17:46 Guest What? He knows about every time I've cheated.

1:17:48 Adam Oh, no, he does. And he's willing to accept that?

1:17:52 Guest Yeah. I mean, he doesn't want to like live with it on a regular basis or anything. I mean, he wants me to just once in a while.

1:17:58 Adam He's laid the law down. No banging in the living room when ESPN Sports Center is on.

1:18:05 Caller That's right. Don't use my condoms.

1:18:07 Drew Sarah?

1:18:08 Guest That is awful that you would joke about that. Yes?

1:18:11 Adam Well, we have to, please.

1:18:13 Drew Do you have any couples' therapy?

1:18:15 Guest No. I'd like to.

1:18:16 Drew Okay. This is a very complex situation. And to try to sort of toss it off as some, you know, there's some slogan that it's, you know, sexual propinquity. And we can explain it all on that basis. This is some very complex dynamic issue that has multiple layers to it. Your biology is part of the problem.

1:18:36 Guest My manic depression, you mean?

1:18:37 Drew Yeah. That's part of the issue. There's serious, there's obviously some character, logic issues that both of you have. And then the relationship issues that look very complex to me. Maybe if you can work on those issues, some sexual component will be reestablished. But there's far more here than just issues of difficulty having a sexual relationship.

1:18:55 Adam Sarah, you don't have any kids, do you?

1:18:58 Drew Oh, no.

1:18:58 Adam No. Good girl.

1:18:59 Drew I don't have kids.

1:19:00 Adam Let me ask you this, Sarah. Do you think that the accident, that the fracturing of the skull has caused some of this?

1:19:07 Guest You know, I think it did. I'm having, I'm going to have a neuropsych evaluation done to determine how much of this is biochemical and how much of it is. Is that what you said, Dr. Drew?

1:19:17 Drew Yes, your biology is a big piece of this, both of the bipolarity and God knows what else might have happened. You might have a whole frontal lobe syndrome. There's something called a cluvibusicid.

1:19:27 Guest I injured frontal lobe. Yeah, left frontal lobe.

1:19:30 Adam But what about your past? Was there anything suspect in the past?

1:19:35 Guest No, not really. You know, I mean, it was, it's sort of hard to differentiate between what is biochemical and what is the car accident because my manic depression, I was diagnosed with that when I was 19.

1:19:45 Adam Yeah, but was there ever any abuse or anything like that?

1:19:48 Guest Oh, no, no. I mean, I was neglected by my father. I also have like borderline personality disorder because-

1:19:54 Drew Okay, all right. Now, wait a minute, Sarah, you know what that means, right?

1:19:57 Guest No. What do you mean? I mean, I think I do.

1:19:59 Drew All right, but look up borderline. That borderline is all-

1:20:03 Adam While you're looking up propinquity, look up borderline.

1:20:06 Drew Borderlines have real serious intimacy and interpersonal issues. And so if you're borderline with bipolar and a head injury, that's about as complex a situation as someone can have. Thank God you have a guy who's hanging in with you because that is your greatest asset right now.

1:20:20 Adam All right, but God knows what kind of shape he's in.

1:20:23 Drew Well, but listen, he's hanging in and God bless him for doing it because he's going to be Sarah's life preserver here.

1:20:28 Adam And let me tell you the beauty of guys, by the way, and why we're such pigs. There's one, you know, one of the guys who nailed their nose turned her on to another guy or two who he knows. And it's like, he pulled his buddy and said, hey Rob, come here. That chick Sarah, she's really hot. Yeah, she has skull fracture. She's bipolar. She's manic. And she has a personality disorder. Really? Think I could get some? Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

1:20:53 Guest Score.

1:20:54 Adam Yeah, easy score. Go ahead, give her one for me.

1:20:57 Guest We don't address this in What Men Want. It's one of the things we purposely left out.

1:21:02 Adam No, guys are just such pigs. But, Drew, this is this one's going to take a team. I mean, it's going to take some work.

1:21:10 Drew Well, and it's not hopeless. I mean, she has a team of people and she's got a husband that's hanging in. You know, keep working and get some couple's work going.

1:21:17 Adam All right.

1:21:18 Drew Get the neuropsych testing and understand that this is very complex and keep at it.

1:21:23 Adam But something's up with him, too, Drew, obviously.

1:21:26 Drew Of course.

1:21:26 Adam OK, of course.

1:21:27 Guest He has a self-esteem problem.

1:21:28 Adam Drew, why don't you, you don't have the calls there in front of you, do you, Drew?

1:21:32 Drew Yes, I do.

1:21:32 Adam You do?

1:21:33 Drew There's a Barbara 37. She wants to talk to Brad and Chris about their book as compared to the rules and specifically as it pertains to her as a mature woman dating.

1:21:44 Adam I see. She didn't want to use the word haggard?

1:21:47 Caller No.

1:21:47 Drew I'll choose to use that word.

1:21:48 Caller All right.

1:21:51 Adam We'll deal with Barbara after this.

1:21:56 Caller The phone number for Loveline is 1-800-LOVE-191.

1:22:00 Caller Loveline, I'll be right back.

1:22:12 Adam Oh, you're right there.

1:22:27 Caller Hey, this is Iggy Pop, and you're listening to Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla.

1:22:34 Adam Yes, you is. Brad Gerstman and Chris Pizzo are both here. What Men Want is the name of the book. They authored with their friend Rich Seldes. Yes, he's an MD. Brad is an attorney, and Chris would be a CPA, all professional guys, all in their late 20s, early 30s. And they sat down and wrote a book about, from the male perspective, trying to sort of let women in on what's going on in the male mind. Drew is in, where are you, Drew?

1:23:08 Drew San Jose.

1:23:08 Adam San Jose, that's right, at beautiful KOME, right?

1:23:13 Drew Correct.

1:23:13 Adam Nice studio there?

1:23:15 Drew Just, especially, it's almost poignant in when juxtaposed to what you and I live in there every night.

1:23:21 Adam Wow, and they treat you right?

1:23:23 Drew Oh, they're great.

1:23:24 Adam All right, good, we like those guys. You got a call picked out, Drew?

1:23:28 Drew Yeah, as I told you, Barbara Line 5.

1:23:33 Adam Oh, you know, I don't have any short, long or midterm memory. Barbara?

1:23:38 Caller Hi.

1:23:39 Adam You're 37?

1:23:40 Caller Well, I didn't meet Dr. Drew till you called me Haggard. Now I think I meet Dr. Drew.

1:23:45 Adam Oh, baby, you know the way I meant it. I meant good Haggard.

1:23:50 Caller Well, I have a question for the guys. And I well, I gave it away. I'm 37, but I'm I'm a professional and I have a master's degree and I'm in pharmaceutical sales and I live in LA. And I look good. And and I just think most of the guys I meet that I would want to go out with are about their age. And I'm wondering how they feel about someone who's I've never been married, don't have any kids.

1:24:12 Adam Hey, Barbara, real fast before you get to the guys, would you get yourself a case of that Viagra and I'll open some peppermint schnapps I've been sitting on for about three years and we'll have a little party up at my place after the show.

1:24:25 Caller You already called me a name and I haven't met you. I think there's something in their book about that probably. Don't go out with guys who are, you know, don't do good phone. Anyway.

1:24:36 Guest No, but he's got a good personality, doesn't that count?

1:24:39 Caller Well, I just wonder, you know, I think that I'm having, I'm having, you know, I hate to use the word, but I think I'm having an age issue and I meet guys and again, you meet, you know, good looking people when you're in pharmaceutical sales and I meet these guys and, you know, I don't know, do I have to tell them right off the bat? I'm 37.

1:24:54 Adam Why is this a, it's not a, what kind of issue is that? I mean, 37 is not old, especially today.

1:25:00 Drew You know what though? I had a guy once, a male friend of mine say to me that he felt the marketplace was totally efficient and he always thought, oh, we're not married, oh, something must be wrong. In the back of his mind, he thought.

1:25:11 Caller There's that and then there's also the guys that I meet that are my age, people that are agents, doctors, I've dated these people, but if they're a 37, 38 year old guy, they've never been married, they don't want to be married. Their work is their life and I think that I work a lot too, but a 33 year old, we could go to a Lakers game, I just seem like for some reason, I'm more compatible with someone. I have no problem with it.

1:25:37 Caller I just worry about it, that they're going to think, oh she's too old.

1:25:40 Caller What do you look like?

1:25:40 Caller She's going to want to have kids right away. I look great, I work out.

1:25:44 Guest I don't think we can generalize and say that all younger guys don't want older women or they only want younger women. I think you have to take every relationship independently and say how is this person treating me? How do I get along? Things like that. We can't generalize.

1:26:00 Caller If you met a woman, and you were how old? About 30?

1:26:02 Guest I'm 30.

1:26:03 Caller Okay, so if you met a woman, things were going great. You went out, you know, what, how, whatever, two, three weeks. Everything was wonderful. If you found out she was 37 or 38, I mean, wouldn't you have some reaction to that?

1:26:14 Guest No, I mean, first of all, I really think the question of how old you are would come up pretty early on. I mean, I guess it's just an early on question, but you know, it really wouldn't matter. A guy is looking for someone who he's compatible with. So a woman that, you know, is independent, who's proactive, financially secure.

1:26:32 Caller I'm not irresponsible.

1:26:33 Adam I'm, you know, by the way, too, you're allowed to date a guy who's 44, 45, 46.

1:26:40 Caller I don't want somebody that's got kids. I mean, what I'm finding is they're divorced. They have kids or I get asked a lot by married guys. I mean, I meet doctors all day and I could date all the married people I wanted to. I just don't want to do that.

1:26:51 Guest Well, if you're looking to get married and, you know, listen, if younger guys are attracted to you, if the young guys are attracted like you, enjoy being with you, you know what? Take it to the next level.

1:26:59 Caller Right. I wouldn't have any issue with it. I mean, it's so hard to meet somebody today that you're compatible with, that doesn't play games, and, you know, it sounds like if everything was going well with you, then the age wouldn't be an issue.

1:27:09 Adam Here's the bottom line.

1:27:10 Caller Adam's cringing. Let's see what's happening.

1:27:11 Adam No, no, no, I agree with you. Anybody we've ever spoken to who said they're not dating or having significant relationships for X, Y, and Z reason, it doesn't have anything to do with X, Y, and Z reason, because obviously there's 37-year-olds who are in great relationships. We're all three sitting here with our jaws slacked down because we don't know what the hell she's talking about. 37 doesn't sound that old. No. There's plenty of guys who date a 37-year-old. There are 20-year-old guys who want to date a 37-year-old, and there's 47-year-old guys who want to date a 37-year-old. Something's up with Barbara. It has nothing to do with her age, and she's fixated on that. Wouldn't you agree, Drew?

1:27:48 Drew Yep.

1:27:50 Adam You okay, Drew?

1:27:52 Drew I'm fine. You guys are just doing a good job with that, so I'm monitoring now.

1:27:55 Adam But, Drew, don't you find...

1:27:57 Guest We didn't get in Dangerous Warrior yet.

1:27:58 Drew He's a straight man. You got to remember, Adam is there just flying the ship.

1:28:02 Adam Drew is chaperoning the show tonight. Thank you, Drew. But, Drew, don't you find that whenever somebody calls in and says, what's up with all men or what's up with all women...

1:28:12 Drew Of course.

1:28:12 Adam Or how come just because I'm black and no one will date me or whatever the hell you're complaining about, whatever your ethnicity is, whether you're bald or anything but fat. The fat I always understand.

1:28:24 Guest Overgeneralization, as you say.

1:28:26 Adam There's always something up with that person. Absolutely. All right. So, Barbara, figure out what's up with yourself and not what's up with humanity. Drew?

1:28:35 Drew Line three.

1:28:37 Adam Stephanie? You're twenty-four.

1:28:39 Caller Oh, sorry. Yeah. I just had a question, I guess, for all of you, but maybe mostly for your guests, because, you know, I haven't gotten their book yet. I've gotten to a point where I've got a bachelor's degree, but I haven't been able to find a job other than a department store. I'm starving, so I'm on food stamps, that type of thing. So what I'm looking to do is perhaps something I wasn't really wanting to do, stripping or the massage gig or any of that type of thing. And I guess I want to know how men perceive that. Do you bring it up in a relationship? I mean, I don't know how you'd even address that. I mean, how does it look?

1:29:23 Caller Yeah, I mean, we talk about a section of our book is called the live wire. And certainly strippers would definitely fall into that live wire category. I would find it very difficult to put a stripper into the wife potential category.

1:29:39 Adam And it's not, let me clarify something. And it's the way people think. And I'll try to articulate myself here. People have a sense when something is up with somebody emotionally. And it's not that you can't date a stripper because stripping is bad. You can't marry a stripper because the type of person who decides to be a stripper has some issues. And you don't want to get hooked up with someone who has issues. It's not exactly the activity. It's what brought you to the activity that it says about the person. Exactly. Right. And they do this. It's the same way when people go, Listen, I got a bone through my nose. I got a bone hanging on my ass. I got tattoos all over my forehead. Why aren't people accepting my applications? How come I can't find a job? It's because people see this person and they go, There's some issues. There's something going on here. And I don't want it with standing behind the counter talking to my customers.

1:30:42 Guest My parents wouldn't be happy meeting that person either.

1:30:45 Adam Right, but it's not the tattoo that makes you not want to date the person. It's the person that decided to put it on their forehead that you don't want to date.

1:30:52 Guest What were they thinking?

1:30:53 Caller There's a lot of other complications besides what you mentioned, Adam, about strippers. First of all, their hours. How do you date someone who works 11 to 5 every night?

1:31:02 Adam I did that. You wait for them to come over.

1:31:04 Caller Oh, you wait. Brad was there, boy, right at 5.01 outside the place.

1:31:08 Adam And Brad, you tell them to bring their outfits.

1:31:10 Guest Yeah, exactly.

1:31:11 Caller And then, the second thing is having guys gawk at you all night, other men. I'm an Italian boy and there's nothing more that gets me jealous than having some other guy look at my woman.

1:31:23 Caller Right.

1:31:24 Adam It's fun for a little while, but it gets old pretty fast.

1:31:28 Guest It's a good-for-now situation. It's great for now, as a matter of fact. A guy really would enjoy that and tell his friends and all that.

1:31:36 Caller But listen, you've got your degree. Pound the pavement, get a real job. Don't worry about stripping.

1:31:42 Caller No, no. See, I've got a degree in art. I'm screwed.

1:31:45 Guest No.

1:31:47 Adam Listen, here's the other problem with stripping and all these kind of businesses is they're just big vortexes that suck you in and it's hard to get out because you work 10 hours a week, you got guys buying you many bottles of champagne and you're making 400 bucks cash a night even if you have to pick it out of your crotch. It's still 400 bucks cash a night and then where are you gonna go? You're gonna go be a receptionist. It's some law firm for 310 bucks a week after that, long hours. It's hard to get out of it once you get in.

1:32:18 Caller There's a lot of other bad stuff going on in that scene too.

1:32:20 Guest You have to associate with some of the other strippers who may not be the ones that are looking for careers either and then you know you like like we're saying you got that degree in stripping.

1:32:29 Caller So your general opinion would be no?

1:32:33 Adam Yes, we would say no.

1:32:34 Drew Where did you get that opinion?

1:32:36 Guest You can gather that from the conversation so far.

1:32:40 Adam She read right into the subtext of the conversation.

1:32:43 Drew She understands men.

1:32:45 Caller So does that mean bisexual women would be the good one?

1:32:50 Drew How old were you when you were first sexually abused?

1:32:52 Caller Huh?

1:32:53 Drew How old were you when you were first sexually abused yourself?

1:32:57 Caller Not, I mean not to my knowledge.

1:32:59 Adam You weren't?

1:32:59 Drew Something happened.

1:33:00 Adam What happened to you?

1:33:01 Drew Something happened.

1:33:01 Adam It's the art major that really gave it away. To tell you the truth.

1:33:04 Drew Something happened.

1:33:05 Adam What's up with you Stephanie?

1:33:06 Caller It's never to anyone's knowledge.

1:33:09 Caller I don't know, but I like women sometimes.

1:33:12 Drew What happened? Were you physically abused, abandoned? What happened?

1:33:17 Caller Well, no. I mean, there's no evidence of that. I mean, my parents have, my mom has speculation, but I mean, I've got a lot.

1:33:23 Drew What does your mom speculate?

1:33:26 Caller Well, that maybe I was exposed to inappropriate materials.

1:33:29 Drew Why? What happened?

1:33:31 Caller I don't know. She doesn't have any. She said that she took me to a psychiatrist because I guess I had some other problems and that I'd done some drawings that would implicate that.

1:33:41 Drew Right. So something really happened to you. And that's, you're manifesting behavior of somebody who's been through sexual abuse. I suggest you look into that and get some treatment for this and stop thinking externally about these solutions to your problems because they're gonna lead you down a path that's gonna be destructive for you.

1:33:59 Adam All right, Stephanie.

1:34:00 Drew Okay. Thanks.

1:34:02 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:34:03 Guest Smoke this fire.

1:34:04 Adam See? I told you guys, the whole stripping game, Drew's destroyed it. Patches, parties, stripping, everything. All I can... I can't enjoy myself sexually anymore outside the house.

1:34:18 Caller No one can do it to you like you can do it to yourself.

1:34:20 Adam Let me just power through a few calls here, Drew. David is 21. He has ADD. How prone is he to drug abuse?

1:34:32 Drew They go together commonly. If you have a parent who is an alcoholic or an addict and you have ADD, consider yourself at risk for addiction.

1:34:38 Adam Right. David, you've been on hold for a half hour?

1:34:40 Caller Yeah.

1:34:40 Adam Still with me?

1:34:41 Caller Yes, I am.

1:34:42 Adam You don't have ADD. Come on. He's been hanging out for a whole half hour. That's pretty good, right, Drew? Yeah. Jen is 18, has a pattern of falling in love with gay men. Jen?

1:34:53 Caller Hi.

1:34:54 Adam Yeah. Don't do that anymore, right?

1:34:56 Caller Okay. All right.

1:34:56 Adam You got to find guys you can stay with.

1:34:58 Caller 131 minutes for that, Adam.

1:35:02 Drew Get her on tomorrow night.

1:35:03 Adam We will?

1:35:04 Drew Thursday night.

1:35:04 Adam Uh-oh. She's still around? Uh-oh. That ain't going to happen, Drew. Suzanne's 23. She hung up. Please, Drew, don't make me the bad cop. Suzanne's 23. She's not very sexually active. Boyfriend is something. Is she boring to it?

1:35:21 Guest Boring.

1:35:22 Adam Did you get that, Drew?

1:35:24 Drew Yeah. I don't know.

1:35:25 Guest We have-

1:35:26 Adam Suzanne? She's there. She wants to sleep. I'll tell you, there's no greater flattery to a host than when you go to someone and they're just sawing logs. Let me see if I can just do one more here. Denise?

1:35:39 Caller Yes.

1:35:39 Adam You're 26?

1:35:40 Caller Yeah.

1:35:40 Adam Doctor thinks Hubby too young to get vasectomy. He's 25.

1:35:44 Caller Yeah.

1:35:45 Drew I agree.

1:35:46 Caller All right.

1:35:46 Caller We have-

1:35:47 Caller we're pregnant-

1:35:47 Caller I'm pregnant with a child.

1:35:49 Drew What child?

1:35:50 Adam Okay.

1:35:51 Drew What number child?

1:35:52 Adam That doesn't matter. Put her on hold. Let me talk to Angel. Angel's been on hold for 113 minutes.

1:35:58 Caller Yes, I have.

1:35:59 Adam Angel, we got 15 seconds, baby.

1:36:01 Guest Okay.

1:36:01 Caller My question is regarding the kaggle machine.

1:36:05 Drew Is your machine?

1:36:06 Adam They have a kaggle?

1:36:07 Guest The super kaggle?

1:36:08 Adam Then the pony kaggle? That's what I- when you have a small party, you get the pony kaggle.

1:36:15 Guest Well, does it actually work?

1:36:17 Adam Can you say the word?

1:36:18 Drew Kaggle exercises work. Yes, they do work.

1:36:20 Adam Can you say the word vagina?

1:36:21 Caller Vagina, yes.

1:36:22 Adam Yes. Excellent.

1:36:25 Caller Say that one for the end.

1:36:26 Adam One more time, Angel.

1:36:28 Caller Vagina.

1:36:29 Caller Perfect. There's no R.

1:36:32 Adam These guys are from Hoboken. They don't. There's no R in vagina. All right, Angel. We'll be back. Drew?

1:36:38 Drew That was worth waiting for.

1:36:39 Adam All right, hang on.

1:36:47 Caller We'll be right back. This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of the staff or management or producers or directors or the advertising or anything. They might be Bob's.

1:37:09 Caller I'm Bob and they're mine.

1:37:11 Caller The producer of Loveline is Ann Wilkins. Loveline is a presentation of Westbrook One Entertainment.

1:37:16 Caller Grr, arg. We now return you to your highly tested, regularly scheduled programming.

1:37:21 Caller Bye.

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