Episode 1000754887281

0:13 Voiceover What did that guy say? I don't know, that music was ripping, though.

0:27 Voiceover Yes, it is. Phone number for Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, fax number 310-854-4455. I'm Adam Carolla. That is Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Feel like we've done three shows already, Drew.

0:43 Drew Yeah, I'm a little tired myself.

0:44 Adam Drew and I got here about eight o'clock this evening to do this Cindy Crawford Sex in the Media event for ABC.

0:54 Drew Something like that.

0:55 Adam I think the show is called like Cindy Crawford on Sex.

0:57 Drew Is that right?

0:59 Adam Who's not going to watch this? Please, just on the off chance something may happen. Todd McCormick is our guest tonight. Now, the background on Todd and at least Drew's relationship is that Todd and Drew locked antlers a little bit along with Brett Harrelson, Woody's brother, on Politically Incorrect a couple of weeks ago. We filmed it, right. It's going to air this Friday?

1:23 Todd McCormick Yeah.

1:23 Adam Right?

1:24 Todd McCormick Yes, Friday.

1:26 Adam It hasn't aired already.

1:27 Todd McCormick But it was Woody and I.

1:29 Adam Oh, it wasn't Brett Harrelson on...

1:31 Todd McCormick It was Woody.

1:31 Adam Oh, that's right.

1:32 Drew Brett was there in the green room.

1:34 Adam Right, offering brotherly moral support in brownies and a hemp poncho, I think Drew smoked on the ride home. So Todd's situation is, is he's a guy who was all over the news and still is, but certainly was about eight or nine months ago when the Bel Air Mansion, I guess they call it, that you were renting, you were busted in it for having how many marijuana plants?

2:00 Todd McCormick A lot. 4,116 was the official count.

2:04 Adam Oh, come on. That's nothing.

2:06 Todd McCormick That's not, thank you. Thank you. That's what many botanists said too. You're nowhere near where you needed to be.

2:11 Adam So, and you're, now, what is that during, do they have mandatory sentencing here?

2:20 Todd McCormick Ten-year mandatory minimum I'm facing. Possible life plus a $4 million fine.

2:24 Adam Right. Life, yeah, because we got to get guys like-

2:27 Drew That's the first level?

2:28 Todd McCormick Yeah, ten years minimum.

2:31 Adam Ten-year minimum. Well, why are you out now, then, if you got a ten-year minimum?

2:34 Todd McCormick Because my friend posted a half a million dollar cash bond.

2:37 Adam Oh, really? That idiot, he'll never see that again. Now, when you post half a million cash bond, is that 50 grand that you got to come up with cash?

2:46 Todd McCormick No, he had to come up with $500,000 cash.

2:48 Oh, my God.

2:49 Todd McCormick He gets interest on it, though.

2:51 Adam Really?

2:52 Todd McCormick Minimal interest. Minimal.

2:53 Adam Really?

2:54 Todd McCormick Yeah.

2:54 Adam The state offers you-

2:55 Todd McCormick No, this is federal. The state law, in my case, is unapplicable in state law.

2:59 Drew It's a federal law issue.

3:00 Todd McCormick Yes, I've broken no state laws. I am right now in federal case for one felony, growing my own medicinal marijuana. I've been a cancer patient. I've had cancer. Well, I've had histiocytosis X, which during my time of having it up to 85, was treated exactly like a cancer. So I've had all the chemotherapy, radiation, surgeries. I've had spinal fusions the whole nine years.

3:19 Adam But it's not technically a cancer. It's just treated the same way.

3:23 Todd McCormick Since 85, they've stopped treating it like they were treating it. They stopped treating it with bombardments of drugs and surgery and radiation. But to me, I had it mainly in my bone, and then it moved on to my soft tissue. I had it between my left lung and my heart, and that was the most volatile space.

3:39 Adam And how's your health now, by the way?

3:41 Todd McCormick Knock on anything. Pretty good. I mean, I try to keep it as good as possible. I really appreciate my health these days.

3:46 Adam And why were you growing all the plants?

3:50 Todd McCormick I have chronic pain due to the cancer therapies or the surgery I've received. I have a five vertebrae spinal fusion, and then my hips are two different sizes due to radiation. And when I was nine years old, my mother, as a last-ditch effort, gave me some pot. And I mean, read it, and of all places, good housekeeping, and the doctor's column, and realized this might help. And my doctors at the time said, you know, if it overtakes his heart, he really has minimal chance of surviving. So he has nothing to lose. She gave me some pot. It worked. And then at around age 12, I started using it for chronic pain, and it works really well. My doctors were really hesitant to give me opiate-based pain medications, because they thought I'd turn into a junkie or something. Right. And instead, I'm a pothead.

4:30 Adam All right. Yeah. My mom could have scored for you back then, too. All right. So your mom gave you some pot. You found it worked for your condition. And what about the thousands of marijuana plants? Because it would seem to me, I know guys, if you need me to put you in touch with anyone who can score you a dime bag. Although a dime bag is 50 bucks now. I don't know quite how that works. But the point is, yeah, they just kept the name. It sounded good. But like the Nickel Arcade is going to cost you five bucks a game now. But it's the same theory. Why do you need to breed the super hybrid type of marijuana? Or is that what you're trying to do?

5:11 Todd McCormick Well, I lived in Holland for a year, Amsterdam, where it's decriminalized. And you can go into different coffee shops and purchase it as you would, I would say, alcohol or cigarettes. There's different brands. And I realized quite quickly that different varieties of cannabis and marijuana reacted differently to my system. Some that with the super high THC didn't really work at all. And the stuff that was considered equatorial from like Jamaica, Thailand, these areas, worked really well. And it has low THC. So when I came back here after the law changed, I looked at this as an opportunity for me if I didn't deal and I didn't distribute to spend time researching something that I associate with saving my life.

5:49 Adam And so you had no intention of selling the stuff or anything like that?

5:55 Todd McCormick I had got a book advance to write a book about the different varieties and such. So to me, my income was already covered. I mean, that's how I rented the house. That's how I was doing what I was doing. And then the side effect of all the research was growing the marijuana. And of course, for my medical condition, I mean, when you find something works for you, there's no list of ingredients you get with a bag of seeds. So, I have to grow them all out, try to figure out what works best. And I was really growing whatever I get my hands on.

6:22 Adam How did you get busted?

6:24 Todd McCormick Supposedly somebody turned me in. But you could really, you know, I did it in the full open. I had plants in my windows. I had plants in my backyard. You could see them everywhere.

6:31 Adam Right.

6:32 Todd McCormick You know, it was legal, state legal. And I did not feel that if I wasn't engaging in distribution or dealing, I wouldn't get in trouble, in all honesty. I mean, I wouldn't have been sitting in the middle of Bel Air with thousands of marijuana plants if I thought, you know, these would be the consequences.

6:46 Adam Did you just, did you grow, you didn't use the hydroponics or the grow lights or any of that stuff?

6:51 Todd McCormick Oh yeah, I used grow lights. For a controlled environment, I mean, if you're going to grow varieties that come from different parts of the earth, you're going to need to recreate that space indoors.

6:59 Drew You should read the descriptions of the house. It was turned into a giant hot house. Yeah, it was like, up and down the stairs, decorated with it as well, you know?

7:10 Adam It's like where the cabin Leonard Skinner lived in or something in 1975. But okay, so they busted you, and now you're looking at ten years minimal.

7:24 Todd McCormick Minimal.

7:25 Adam And they got you out of jail. Now, how did you get hooked up? And by the way, Todd said he used to listen to Loveline when he was in The Clank.

7:34 Todd McCormick In The Clank, yeah. I loved it, actually. I'd lay there in my bed all alone listening to the guys talking about love and affection.

7:39 Drew Listening to it echo through the halls.

7:40 Adam Did they give you a radio?

7:42 Todd McCormick You can buy one. They have a little commissary list. You can buy a bunch of junk food. You can buy cigarettes. You can buy, you know, sneakers. You can buy all this crap. And I would sit there listening to my little radio, and that was my only happiness, guys.

7:55 Adam Was it?

7:55 Todd McCormick Really?

7:56 Adam Because it's really the only thing that brings us misery is coming here, Drew. It's quite ironic. Did, Nat, were you able to be incarcerated and be away from the marijuana, which is essentially...

8:08 Todd McCormick Oh, there's pot all over the prison. I mean, it's just sort of taking me, I mean, really to me, it's ridiculous justice, because, I mean, here I am. I mean, the first night I was in there this time, which was considered illegal incarceration by the judge that released me, I put, you know, people out of beds. It was five guys sleeping in the TV room, and I quizzed them all. What are you here for? They're bomb builders. They're bank robbers. I mean, and here I am. I'm a guy, non-violent, one offense, growing pot, it's illegal under state law, and I'm taking up a space.

8:35 Adam Well, my feeling is when it comes to the law, if people want to hurt themselves or whatever they want to do to themselves, whatever they want to ingest, as long as they don't jeopardize anybody else, God bless them. I hope they kick off earlier. I really do.

8:53 Todd McCormick We waste over $50 billion a year putting people in prison and policing them for consensual crimes.

8:58 Adam Absolutely. I mean, whether you're talking about drugs or prostitution or gambling, and you're never going to get rid of this. And by the way, who are you kidding? The government, I mean, lottery, that's gambling for retarded people. That is so the unemployable can gamble. Because the unemployable can't make it out to Vegas and gamble. They can sit home, they can collect the welfare check, they can hammer it, they can walk down to the A&PM in their slippers and bathrobe and try to buy themselves a new life when they should be buying Pampers and baby food. It's ridiculous.

9:33 Todd McCormick Our society's warped. I spent some time with a girl in Holland that was studying at the University of Amsterdam was studying sociology and she was studying what happens with, you know, prostitution there has been legal for 350 some odd years in Holland. And I mean, date rape is practically non-existent, violent offenses are non-existent. I'm not, not non-existent, but so much lower per capita than they are here in America. I mean, and you take the sexual tension out of the air, well like it is over there, and there's a whole different mentality going on. Less inhibited people, people running around, nudity is no big deal, all the beaches are nude, out there are clothing optional, even in the parks. The first sunny day I walked into Vondel Park in the middle of Amsterdam, saw these women running around topless and I thought to myself, you know, we are really conditioned poorly in America to react to this stuff. There's no strip clubs, there's live sex acts, but there's no strip clubs. Right.

10:20 Adam Drew, what do you think about Todd's situation?

10:26 Drew It's a complex issue for me, you know.

10:29 Adam I know you're pissed off about the whole medicinal use of marijuana.

10:32 Drew No, I'm pissed off at that. No, I'm not pissed off. I'm pissed off at the law, that that was sort of a, I think if we're going to have a discussion about legalization of marijuana, we ought to have that.

10:41 Adam Yeah, but we've tried to have that.

10:43 Drew It doesn't seem to work. So it just pisses me off that we can't, that's all. I really bothers me.

10:47 Adam To me, and I'm just a layman, but it seems to me that we've attempted, or many people have attempted for many years. I mean, I can remember these legalization rallies going on. I think my mom probably dragged me to a couple with Zorback and Happy and Sunshine in the back of Zorback's converted school bus down at the federal building. Maybe you know, I mean, since the 60s, certainly. I mean, it's been raging on for 30 or 40 years. They've really gotten nowhere. So what they decided to do is they side to sidestep it and go the medical route.

11:18 Todd McCormick Yeah, I wouldn't say that, honestly, you know, you don't think so personally, you know, I honestly think that yes, the medicalization of cannabis will eventually lead probably to the decriminalization of cannabis because people will get a better understanding for what it is truly. I mean, in some of the addiction studies I've read, they rated less addictive than caffeine. And, I mean, this is a situation where people are starting to understand when you have, cancer is the number two killer in America right now. I mean, it's the hot topic on all the airwaves because of this new cancer prevention drug. And personally, I'm here, not because I like to smoke a joint, because it saved my life. If not, I mean, I wouldn't say saved my life, like it was what worked, but with 40% of the people that get cancer dying of malnutrition and everybody associated marijuana with the munchies, it's pretty ironic that we're trying to separate medical patients who are dying of malnutrition and AIDS patients who are dying of malnutrition from pot.

12:08 Adam Well, Drew, you agree that's a fairly pathetic and cowardice action to cut off people. I mean, when these guys, they sort of strap on their bullet belts and their boots and they head out and they bust one of these community centers where they're trying to get people out of cannabis, these cannabis buyers clubs. I mean, isn't that just sort of political crap?

12:30 Drew I mean, we were on this Politically Incorrect show and Bill Maher opened up with basically a comment of isn't the government got more important things to do than this? And yeah, okay, let's go home now. And I was sort of set up to be the guy that's giving a counterpoint. And so I prefer to talk more about how much misinformation there is about the drug. But if we could just all talk rationally about it, we might all decide we want it to be decriminalized and or illegal, which I don't totally object to, frankly, at all. And I certainly think for the government, you're wasting money and time on it as misplaced resources. I mean, I do have a better thing.

13:08 Todd McCormick Talk about misplaced. You know, before we did that show, I read a little statistics. We're spending 17 billion plus dollars a year on the drug war. That doesn't include the DEA, the IRS, and the FBI's drug budget. We got 1.1 million arrests out of this, says the statistics from the White House Gov's website. 642,000 of those arrests were pot smokers. 80% of that 642,000 were personal users. So half of all the arrests for the drug war accounted for pot. It means pot accounted for more than all other drug arrests combined out of over 20 million dollars a year spent on drug policing.

13:38 Adam And here's, and that's a good point. And you know he can't smoke too much weed. He wouldn't be able to come up with those statistics. It's not like he's reading off a cue card. Here's what I want to say, and here's the problem, I think, with the guys that are pro-choice when it comes to marijuana. Marijuana, I would not want my 14-year-old getting stoned. Because I've had many a friend, I grew up in the valley, I know these guys work, they get stoned, they sit home, they bang their head, they put new stickers on the bottom of their skateboard, they don't go to school, and it basically sucks the life right out of them. I understand that. It's not a benign drug.

14:15 Drew For some people.

14:16 Adam No, no, it isn't, I mean, for anybody. I mean, I wouldn't want to get, have a bong load and try to drive home tonight. I really wouldn't. But on the other hand, there's many choices that you face in this society.

14:29 Drew It's never going to make healthy people healthier. That's for sure.

14:32 Adam Right.

14:33 Drew It's never going to do that.

14:35 Adam It is something in society like a cigar is, like a brandy is, like a nice rich dessert or a big filet mignon. It's not something that you want to gorge yourself on every single day. You don't wake up every morning, have a shot of brandy, smoke a cigar, eat a flank steak, and then a cream pie, and then go to work. And by the same token, you don't have a bong load and go to work. But when you get home, in the safety and comfort of your own home, as a tax-paying adult, if you choose to do this, it should be up to your discretion.

15:12 Todd McCormick Yeah, especially when you consider what's the tragedy of this. I mean, it hasn't accounted really for any deaths. You never hear college students going out buying a pound of marijuana and smoking themselves to death, but you hear them drinking themselves to death rather regularly.

15:26 Drew There is a little counterpoint to this, and that is that for people who are going to be addictively prone, it does help to have structure. So to have difficulty with access and less availability for those people. And I agree with you, it is a relatively small percentage.

15:40 Adam I never knew anyone who wanted pot who couldn't get pot, even if it was a scraping resin.

15:44 Drew Here's the other thing that I didn't bring up when we were on TV, and that is that if you look at people that study prohibition, social prohibition clearly has extreme difficulty associated with it.

15:56 Adam The only thing you can do as a society is hope to have the sort of parents and create the sort of environment that people don't want to squander every check they have on gambling, that they don't want to lock themselves in the room and smoke themselves out, that they don't want to do coke until their head explodes, that they don't want to shoot people. You have to just create a society and create parenting that tries to eliminate this from society. But asking people not to do it really never did anyone any good.

16:24 Todd McCormick Well, actually, it's like the sex book. You put it on the top shelf, you can tell the kid not to go get it. He's going to build a little ladder up there, and he's going to go find the naked bitches. And I think the decriminalization of cannabis has done all but deflate its use among teenagers and adolescents in Holland because it's blasé now. It's nothing, it's not rebellious.

16:42 Right.

16:43 Todd McCormick You know?

16:44 Adam There's nothing illicit about it.

16:46 Todd McCormick Nothing.

16:47 Right.

16:47 Adam So you go to the museum, you take the picture, you take the statue and you put a sign under it that says, do not touch, and every 15-year-old is going to come up and touch it.

16:57 Todd McCormick You know, you mentioned something about 14 and at age 12, I was smoking rather regularly and I kept it from my friends. I didn't really share it because my mother was afraid we'd be separated. It was something I had to be real responsible with, but I saw a lot of my friends drinking themselves in the stupors when I wasn't inclined to do that. I remember the first time I drank and threw up, I was like, I am never doing this again.

17:17 Adam Yeah, that's what I said and then I drank it and threw up the next week. And then I drank it, threw up in Tijuana.

17:23 Todd McCormick So I would rather have my 14-year-old smoking a joint and out there, you know, quietly drinking some whiskey or putting themselves in that kind of rebellious position.

17:32 Adam I agree, but I hate that it's not as bad as Boo's argument when it comes to this.

17:39 Todd McCormick But what's the alternative? You know, when you're a little kid and you're out there, you know, hey, score me some beer and can I get some pot? And this is what they're faced with.

17:45 Adam Well, that's true. And I would rather have my kid drive a car stoned than drive drunk. And I would rather have him do just about anything stoned instead of drunk. Drew, would you agree? Thank you.

17:58 John?

17:58 Drew He depends on the age.

18:00 Adam John?

18:01 Caller Yeah.

18:01 Adam You're 30. No, any age.

18:02 Drew It depends on the predisposition.

18:03 Adam What about operated motor vehicle, Drew? Any age?

18:08 Drew I had a friend who was a police officer who was complaining about the amount of times he's had to pull people over for marijuana.

18:14 Adam Right, because they're driving too slow. And they're signaling too much. Too far in advance.

18:19 Drew They're getting an access from not judging distances and things.

18:21 Adam All right. John?

18:23 Yes.

18:23 Adam What's going on?

18:24 Hey, I love yourself very, very much. Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla, you guys are terrific. Thanks. And I put you on here at the workshop every night and all the guys have to listen to you.

18:34 Adam Bless you. Where do you work?

18:36 We work up here in Seattle, make airplane parts.

18:39 Adam All right.

18:39 Drew Buying?

18:40 Yeah.

18:40 Drew Wow.

18:41 Adam You're not buying any of those cheap second-rate nuts and bolts from Taiwan and putting them on the airplanes, are you?

18:48 I'm sure they are.

18:48 Drew What about these 737s? Should I get them on tomorrow?

18:52 Absolutely.

18:52 Adam They just checked them out. I had them rewired, Drew. Go ahead, John.

18:56 It's like an etzel, those 737s.

19:00 Adam You ever see an etzel fly?

19:03 Drew At least could have mentioned a corvair.

19:04 Adam Go ahead, John.

19:05 Oh, man. I masturbate every night before I go to sleep. And I...

19:12 Drew Guys, the shot must be loving it.

19:15 Hey, I'll be honest. But I apply pressure between my scrotum and my anus so that the sperm won't come out. Right.

19:26 Drew Yeah.

19:26 Right. Is this a dangerous...

19:28 Drew Have you noticed it comes out later?

19:30 Sure, yeah.

19:31 Drew Yeah. It concerns me. I don't know that it necessarily can cause damage, but...

19:35 Adam It comes out later?

19:37 Drew It goes up into the bladder, typically. It's sort of where they're redirecting it.

19:42 It sensationalizes the orgasm.

19:44 Adam Oh, it does? It's like a smokeless ashtray. It's quite an innovation.

19:50 Yeah.

19:50 Drew So, when you mess around down there, generally, you don't make things healthier. I mean, I worry about people inflaming the prostate or permanently altering the function of the muscular sphincters down there. I mean, it just concerns me. I don't know that it's associated necessarily with problems, but I just... We've heard about this before. It just worries me for people.

20:12 Well, isn't it anything like a vasectomy?

20:14 Drew No.

20:15 No.

20:15 Adam Hey, John.

20:16 Yes, sir.

20:16 Adam Don't you... I mean, don't you have a hamper or anything?

20:20 Oh, I got a hamper.

20:22 Adam Yeah. Why don't you just whack off in the hamper like everyone else?

20:26 Use the old dirty sock, right? Yeah. I just... Really, it sensationalizes the...

20:32 Adam Oh, it feels better. Oh, man.

20:33 It's wild.

20:35 Todd McCormick Last longer type of thing?

20:36 No. No. It just... That point of exertion, of ejaculation, it makes it longer. Makes it happen longer. You ought to try it.

20:46 Drew All right.

20:46 Adam So where do you put the pressure?

20:49 Between your...

20:50 Drew Suddenly you're interested.

20:51 Dr. Drew could probably explain better because he knows what I'm talking about, I think.

20:54 Drew I think Adam knows what you're talking about.

20:55 Adam Between Scrotumburg and Anisfail?

20:58 Drew Yes.

20:59 Adam Right in there?

21:00 Drew Yes.

21:00 Adam And what do you do? Just reach around and push it in?

21:03 Drew You probably have a fair amount of pressure there.

21:04 Adam I probably end up putting my finger in my ass and freak out. Two-handed. Oh, no. I'll never get clean.

21:12 Drew I'll just run for the shower.

21:13 Adam Listen, here's what I want to say about this. Masturbation's good enough. Ask Todd. He's been in prison. He knows.

21:20 Todd McCormick And no one hit on me, damn it. No one.

21:21 Adam Really? Yeah. You gotta feel bad.

21:23 Todd McCormick Jesus Christ.

21:24 Adam Yeah, you know you're ugly when they don't hit on you in prison, for Christ's sake. I figured you'd be someone's bitch by now, Todd.

21:30 Todd McCormick You figure. You know what I'm saying?

21:32 Adam Todd's an attractive man.

21:33 Todd McCormick Whoa, Adam.

21:34 Adam You know what, Todd?

21:35 Todd McCormick A little later, you and me.

21:36 Maybe.

21:37 Adam I'll tell you what. If you're not doing anything with that cannabis with the real high THC level that you don't like.

21:42 Todd McCormick I'll send it over.

21:42 Adam Yeah. Have Woody bake it into like a bundt cake and send it by the house.

21:47 Bundt cake.

21:49 Adam You know, Todd, maybe it's that you're too attractive and that the other felons were intimidated. You know what I mean, Drew?

21:58 Thank you.

21:58 Drew All the supermodels say that.

22:00 Adam Beautiful women talk about that all the time. They're so beautiful that women are intimidated, men are intimidated about approaching them. I get the feeling that's what went on with you in prison, Todd.

22:09 Yeah.

22:10 Adam All right, Todd McCormick is here. He got busted for growing 4,000 plus pot plants in his Bel Air State. And we'll talk about this when we come back.

22:53 Hey, this is Tyra Banks, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

22:58 Adam Yes, you is. Hey, phone number for Loveline, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Forget about the fax number. Todd McCormick, Pot Farm and Todd McCormick is here. I'll tell you his story in a second. I want to mention something. Tomorrow, I'm gonna be down at UCLA hosting, well, sort of hosting, more like MCing this Pedro Zamora Foundation. He has a foundation. Pedro Zamora was a guy from the real world who died of AIDS. What was that? Three, four years ago now, Drew?

23:32 Drew I think so.

23:33 Adam Two, three years ago? Anyway, he was a real courageous guy, real intelligent guy, real well-spoken guy. And when he found out he had AIDS, he basically dedicated the rest of his life to educating folks and his legacy will go on tomorrow. Wank will be performing there and it starts at noon. Funny, there's a band called Wank that's there to, there because of the Pedro Zamora Foundation. But anyway, Trojan is going to be giving away like a million condoms and it's tomorrow at noon at UCLA. Where the hell is it, Drew?

24:13 Drew I'm not going to be there.

24:14 Adam Yeah, I got to work this stuff out. Yeah, why aren't you there?

24:16 Drew I'm going to be in San Francisco doing another presentation.

24:19 Adam Yeah, for money, because the man is paying you.

24:21 Drew The man, yeah.

24:22 Adam You understand? I do this for free.

24:24 Todd McCormick Hey, Drew's hot property.

24:25 Adam Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, he's America's number one doctor.

24:29 Todd McCormick It's because he's married.

24:30 Adam Anyway, noon at UCLA. I'll be there. Wank will be there. And there'll be some other quasi-celebrities there too, I think.

24:38 Todd McCormick Quasi.

24:39 Adam Well, I don't think of myself as a real celebrity.

24:42 Todd McCormick You are, bro.

24:43 Adam Oh, yes. Yes. All right. You know, it's funny, whenever they try to hype these things, they always tell you how big it's going to be. And to me, that's a deal breaker. Like, they always over-hype it a little bit. They go, over 10,000 youth are expected to attend. Now, when I hear that, I go, I don't want to be around all the young idiots. I'm staying home. See, here would be the hype. Wank is playing and there may be three or four other people there. I'm not sure. So come on down.

25:08 Drew The Adam Corolla hype.

25:09 Adam See me and see Wank right up front. But I don't think anyone will be there. That's the way to do it.

25:14 Drew It's probably going to be at the Westwood Plaza.

25:16 Adam Yeah.

25:17 Drew So it's not going to be at Polypavilion right now.

25:19 Adam No. Unless it rains and then we're moving over to like the Student Union or some place that I performed stand up at like eight years ago.

25:27 Drew Really?

25:28 Adam Yeah. So I may have a really bad flashback. If I start telling fat girlfriend jokes, you know, I've lost it. Anyway, Todd McCormick is our guest tonight. Todd got busted for having over 4,000 pot plants. He's I'm no physician, but he has, we'll just call it cancer to make things easy. And he was basically using all these pot plants and as a form of rehab. He was trying to create his own hybrid plant that worked best for his illness. And the government, it's right, he was writing a book.

25:59 Todd McCormick Oh, he's writing a book about it at the same time.

26:01 Adam Right. Government came in and he, who posted this 500,000 can't control their mouth?

26:08 Todd McCormick Hey, hey, it's you, it's you doing it.

26:10 Adam It's a stepping stone drug. First, it leads to profanity and then you go right to heroin. All right, you get that out, engineer Mike?

26:19 Caller Yeah.

26:20 Adam Yeah, Woody Harrelson seems...

26:22 Drew One, two, that's what I always left out about, that Woody was the one who had bailed him out.

26:28 Adam Right.

26:28 Drew Because Mike just dove for the dump truck, and he dumped everything.

26:32 Adam Yeah, Woody Barreled, he bailed Todd out. God bless him. And did you know him before this?

26:41 Todd McCormick Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he would have just came forward blindly and said, hey, you, with the farm. You know, but yeah, he knew me. He knew what I was all about. And, you know, he believes that, you know, again, in freedom, you know, and again, that, you know, why are we putting people in jail for consensual crimes? I mean, pot, ex-bachelors.

27:03 Adam Yeah. Well, actually, I'd even put prostitution above marijuana. I hate to say it, but really, for Christ's sake. I mean, you can't go out and have sex with somebody. And I know this argument's made a thousand times, but you stop some chick on the street and you bring her back in your van and you nail her and it's for free, there's no big deal.

27:22 Todd McCormick You pitch her, though. It's some, you know, short little tax guy standing there going, what did you do?

27:27 Adam Did you do something? Where's my cut?

27:29 Todd McCormick It's illegal.

27:29 Adam Right.

27:30 Drew And that's it, you know.

27:31 Adam Oh, oh, when we had Heidi Fleiss on this show, Todd, she got sued for, what, $275,000 for being on this show. We would have been sued, too, but we had to do a little retraction. Jennifer.

27:44 Yeah.

27:44 Adam Probably have to do one tonight, too. You're 26, what's going on?

27:49 Caller Well, let's see, I'm 26, I'm married, and I have two little girls, and for all appearances' sake, I have like this fabulous life. My husband, he does very well professionally, he's a great guy, but I feel that I married so young, and for totally the wrong reason.

28:14 Drew How young and what was the reason?

28:15 Caller I was 21, I was actually still in college at the time, and I married him because I felt sorry for him. I was given an ultimatum by him because he's older than I am, that he didn't want to date and do the college thing, and he had this fabulous family that I just loved to death. And it just sort of seemed, you know, I was 21, it seemed neat to have this big, huge wedding, and then I just sort of...

28:38 Adam How old is he?

28:39 Caller He's 33, which isn't that much older now, but at the time when you're 21, it was a bigger difference.

28:45 Drew How old are your kids by the way?

28:47 Caller I have a one-year-old and a three-year-old.

28:49 Drew Alright, what's going on?

28:50 Caller Oh my gosh, I just... I'm not the type of person who would ever knowingly or willingly, that's the wrong word, violate the sanctity of my marriage, but I...

29:01 Drew Do you come from a broken family?

29:03 Caller Yes.

29:05 Adam So what, Drew, everyone comes from a broken family, but you, and your family should have been broken. You'd be less broken right now if your family broke up.

29:13 Drew But there are the probability of considering divorce much higher when you come from a divorced family.

29:20 Caller Yeah. And he doesn't. He comes from a very, very stable, loving, great family. My problem is for the last five years, for basically the entire period of our marriage, I love this guy like a brother, like a roommate. He's my best friend. He's a fabulous father. He's there a lot. He's a great provider. But absolutely no sexual attraction to the man. And it was actually kind of mutual for a while because he was sort of put off by the whole pregnant appearance, but which sort of hurt me. Even though I wasn't sexually attracted to him, it hurt my feelings that he didn't want me when I wasn't a size four.

30:00 Adam Just because you're not attracted to him physically doesn't mean he should stop being physically attracted to you.

30:04 Caller It's never critical, I know.

30:06 Drew What have your previous relationships been like with men?

30:09 Caller Pardon me? No, I didn't have many. I graduated from high school young, met him right before college and dated him, broke up with him to be in another relationship and just date, which is what I thought.

30:22 Drew Tell me about that other relationship you broke up.

30:23 Caller Oh, I broke up with him to date somebody completely the opposite, you know, uneducated biker guy. Yeah, okay.

30:30 Drew And that's, that's, that's.

30:31 Caller But with fabulous sex, that was the thing.

30:33 Drew And that's more comfortable to you.

30:34 Caller Well, it was.

30:35 Adam Did you ever tell him, did you tell your current husband about the fabulous sex?

30:39 Caller Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. We have a pretty.

30:41 Drew You told your husband about that?

30:42 Caller Yeah, we haven't actually, we have a pretty open dialogue.

30:45 Drew That's not.

30:47 Adam You're going to have an open gash on your forehead if you have more of that kind of open dialogue.

30:52 Todd McCormick No, no, Adam.

30:53 Drew Look, what was your dad like?

30:55 Caller My dad?

30:57 Is he alcoholic?

30:58 Caller No, no, no, no. Not abusive.

30:59 Adam Hold on a second. Let me talk to Drew. Drew, what kind of vibe are you getting from Jennifer? You're getting a vibe. I'm not getting a real vibe off her.

31:06 Todd McCormick Oh, I think she wants to leave him.

31:07 Drew Well, she can't stand.

31:09 Adam Yeah, I do too. But I'm just talking about a sort of human vibe that Drew's getting.

31:13 Drew She needs this abusive, unavailable, dangerous guy, and that's what her dad was, evidently. What she needs to act out because of her dad having left her in some fashion. And in fact, if she would get some therapy, what she would find out is that this is exactly what she's in is exactly what she needs.

31:29 Adam I was sort of getting the vibe that she just wasn't attracted physically to this guy.

31:33 Todd McCormick No, I think it was security. Do you think she married him for security reasons?

31:37 Drew Oh, yeah, but but but but but but but Drew, she's not has no passion for him because she doesn't need to act out and solve any problems with him. She needs to reach back into that abuse past and find a guy that can sort of fit that that mold for her so she can work on him.

31:54 Todd McCormick Well, she wants to feel like she's helping him and she wants to fix some disturbed guy.

31:58 Drew That's going to be and that's actually that's very impassioning for her.

32:01 Adam Yeah, Drew, I think you're taking a lot of artistic license with this one.

32:06 Todd McCormick No, no, I think definitely he's on the way to chocolate.

32:08 Adam Hey, Mike, shut Todd's mic off. I don't need this hippie second-guessing me in the background. When are you going back in?

32:17 Drew Here's my deal with Jennifer. She has got two kids. She relinquished her right to experiment.

32:22 Adam Alright, let me talk to Jennifer for a second.

32:24 Caller Yeah, I gotta tell ya, my father was not abusive and while I did have a broken family, he was very responsible, very responsible man, but I would say maybe a tad emotionally abusive if being cold and distant, and I know that counts as abuse, so to an extent I think, okay, the doctor has a point.

32:45 Adam Alright, but Drew, a guy can call and say, listen, I'm not physically attracted to my wife, I got married to her for the wrong reasons. You'll buy that completely, won't you? Yes, you will, thank you.

32:55 Caller There is a little gender issue here, that's true, because I actually, I feel like I am the man in this relationship. I feel like I want, not in all areas, but in terms of I want, I don't want just the comfort and the hi honey, I'm home.

33:10 Adam Alright, listen, I will meet you halfway here, Drew, and say the truth lies somewhere in between of, what Drew is saying is either you're going to get hooked up with some abusive alcoholic biker type.

33:20 Caller No, no, no, actually, no.

33:22 Adam Or you're going to find the same guy and get bored of him in about 18 months.

33:27 Caller Well, that part could be true.

33:29 Adam Yes.

33:29 Caller Because here's the issue. My husband travels a lot, he's on a business trip, he's been gone for a while, and I did. I did what I thought I would never, never do as a married woman. I've been having, I don't know if you could say it's an affair, it's not like an affair of the heart, but he's not a biker, he's actually an attorney. And he's pretty normal, but it's very physical. And it's.

33:55 Adam But you know, attorneys are worse than bikers on the Selesa level, aren't they, Drew?

33:59 Drew Jennifer, you need to get some treatment here.

34:00 Adam You're like a biker, so you wear three piece suits.

34:02 Drew You have two kids here, that's where your priorities lie right now. Not with your being totally fulfilled physically or at the moment, because those instincts right now are your unhealthiest instincts. They are the ones that are injecting chaos into your life. You need to take a very long, hard, therapeutic look at this before you potentially sacrifice the well-being of your kids and put yourself in harm's way and damage a relationship that might be of quality.

34:33 Adam Now, here's the deal, y'all. Everyone doesn't get to live their dreams. They really don't. I wanted to play professional football. That was Dash when I was about 18, and I ended up cleaning carpets. It sucks. I mean, and I don't mean cleaning carpets. I don't mean that in any kind of a sexual metaphor. I actually cleaned carpets. It wasn't any kind of a lesbian metaphor.

34:51 Drew You really relinquish that when your priorities take backseat is when you have kids.

34:56 Adam Right. You have two kids. You want to be doing something other. You know what you do. You get yourself a vibrator, one of those harlequin romances, and you call it a life. That's it.

35:08 Drew Well, I'm not sure that you really...

35:10 Adam Yes, that's sound advice.

35:11 Drew Before you go acting on these kinds of impulses, you take a good, long-heart look at it with some help, because these are potentially very unhealthy impulses. I mean, it's not that she's not said to us, I'm unhappy with my husband. I just need somebody else. It's he's too secure. He's too nice. He's I need the dangerous blah, blah, blah guy. And that's such an adolescent dysfunctional impulse.

35:37 Adam OK, Drew, we got to go to break. Why don't you sell the hell out of the next call, please?

35:41 Drew Well, we'll talk about that pro provera. That's what's up.

35:44 Adam Listen, I work here. I'm not even going to stay around for this next one. Could you sell one a little better? It's something that's a little bit titillating, a little salacious, for Christ's sake.

35:55 Drew I'm just saying the breast milk. Or do you want a guy with a positive pregnancy test?

36:01 Adam Oh, please.

36:02 Todd McCormick Oh, come on.

36:02 Adam Okay, let's do that.

36:03 Todd McCormick Really says that.

36:04 Drew Maybe he's talking about his girlfriend, but the caller is Mike, and he said the pregnancy test came out positive.

36:09 Adam All right, this is good. Certainly it'll be good for some ridicule.

36:11 Todd McCormick He's smoking pot.

36:13 Adam We'll be back.

36:17 Caller The phone number for Loveline is 1-800-LOVE-191.

36:21 Caller Loveline, I'll be right back, W-E-B-N. Hey, this is Jonathan Silverman, and you're listening to Loveline with Ace Rockolla and Dr. Drew.

36:41 Adam Yes.

36:41 Caller How about that?

36:42 Adam All right, see?

36:43 Drew He catches on fast, doesn't he?

36:44 Adam He's sweeping the nation. Todd McCormick is our guest tonight. Todd got busted for having 4,126, how many was it?

36:55 Todd McCormick 116.

36:56 Adam 116. I like to add 10.

36:58 Todd McCormick Hey, they were adding 5,000, 50-room mansion, there was 20 rooms, I mean, exaggerate it all.

37:04 Adam People hearing the story, and this is about all they reported, at least when I heard it, I figured, well, the reason he's got the mansion is because he's dealing the weed. And he just, he's dealing weed, he was so successful, he moved into a bigger place, and he's growing pot in every room in the house.

37:21 Todd McCormick Yeah, not quite, not quite.

37:23 Adam But Todd got busted about 8 or 9 months ago. How much time did you spend in the pokey?

37:28 Todd McCormick Two weeks in August, and then just in 11 days, for actually supposedly testing positive, because I was using the legal version of marijuana called Marinal, which is available at any pharmacy.

37:40 Adam Oh, really?

37:40 Todd McCormick Yeah, this is a huge situation. The government, FDA, approved the single molecule, THC or tetrahydrocannabinol, in this form of a pill that you can use for a variety of conditions, and that's legal. And now they're telling me you cannot use Marinal, which, because we can't scientifically differentiate between THC from a test tube and THC from a plant. And if you're using Marinal to mask your marijuana use, you can't use Marinal, which anybody with a right mind goes, well, if you can't tell the difference between the psychoactive ingredient from the plant or from the test tube, how can you say the plant is not medicinal? You've already approved it for medicine.

38:15 Adam Right.

38:16 Todd McCormick It's a ridiculous situation.

38:17 Adam Because one situation they picture you wearing a bow tie at the pharmacy and washing it down with the milk, and the other they picture you sitting on a big beanbag chair with a hookah pipe and the Harrelson brothers with Robbie Shankar playing a sitar in the background. Maybe like the zigzag guy in the next room taking a leak in the sink.

38:46 Todd McCormick Exactly. But that's just not the situation. Instead, we're out at some hemp farm trying to grow our next year's supply of clothing.

38:53 Adam What is this with the hemp in terms of using it for rope, using it for clothing and all that kind of stuff? Do you have any good rhetoric involving that?

39:05 Todd McCormick Historically, cannabis has been our main source of canvas. Canvas is a cognate of cannabis because all canvas goods, all our army tents, the sails that the boats that sailed over here used to blow them across the sea, were made out of the cannabis plant. All the clothing that the people that came here wore, actually all of the covered wagons, our first flag was all made out of this marijuana plant. Betsy Ross was sitting there knitting up a marijuana plant that she was going in her backyard, but then she called it hemp. All the clothes I'm wearing right now, the pad I'm doodling on right now is 100% hemp paper. Our own government has stated that one acre of hemp grown in one year's time can equal four acres of 20 year old trees for the same amount of paper. And for me, a medical patient, and you hear cancer being associated with a dirty environment everywhere you look, I look at it like, look, if we had a cleaner environment, maybe cancer wouldn't be our number two killer and our number one killer of grandma's school-aged children because we had a cleaner environment.

39:57 Adam And can't they, there's a million different breeds of pot, right? I mean, they can grow industrial hemp that has no-

40:04 Todd McCormick No, it's non-coactive. Yeah.

40:06 Adam Yeah, right?

40:07 Todd McCormick And our government states, un-evocably, we don't want to hear it. We're not botanists. You can't grow it. But Canada is growing it right now. All over, all over the world, they have rediscovered the uses of hemp basically because they have poisoned their environment. And now they're looking at their history for their future. So they're looking at what did we do for so many thousands of years and sustain ourselves in comparison to what we've done for just a short amount of time, this century really. And destroyed ourselves.

40:32 Drew We created Papyrus Society.

40:35 Adam What?

40:35 Drew Papyrus Society we need.

40:37 Adam What's that?

40:37 Drew It's what we used before hemp.

40:39 Adam Oh, the Papyrus Society? Yeah, sure. We used papyrus? Yeah. What the hell is papyrus?

40:45 Drew It's used for paper originally.

40:47 Adam Oh, okay.

40:48 Drew I'm trying to be quiet. It's not very funny.

40:50 Adam You know, it would have been funny if I had an education.

40:53 Todd McCormick The first piece of paper that historically is dated to be the first piece of paper was found in China and it's actually hemp fiber.

40:58 Adam It was actually rolling paper. Oh, yes. They don't know about that.

41:02 Todd McCormick They don't smoke it in China. Most of the areas that grow hemp for their clothing and stuff don't use it to smoke.

41:06 Adam Well, it's just like you don't smoke cotton.

41:08 Todd McCormick Yeah.

41:09 Adam All right.

41:09 Todd McCormick Exactly. There you go. What a useless plant.

41:11 Adam Here is my beef with the government and this is why I get pissed off at the government. I understand there are certain drugs that are bad, that cause some injury and some addiction and so on and so forth. But when it comes to something like growing this strain of hemp so that you can replace X amount of trees or X amount of cotton fields or so on and so forth.

41:32 Todd McCormick Petrochemicals.

41:33 Adam Why won't we do that?

41:35 Drew We have a very strange reaction. Our puritanical history, I think, affects us. We have a very strange reaction to addiction in general. For instance, I'm often, and you know how strong I feel about helping people with addiction and how strong a line I take on it, yet I never cease to be outraged at the situations where I'm called to consult, where I get called up, where we got this heroin addict, you got a needle stuck in his arm, you just went to surgery, you need to get him off heroin. So I go over there and the guy's 12 hours post-op and they won't give him pain medication because he's a heroin addict. So we're not going to give him pain medication. So the guy's withdrawing in terrible pain. And I mean, for Christ's sake, it's not about being punitive, it's about somebody with a disease of addiction and that they have surgical pain. They take pain medicine.

42:16 Todd McCormick Right. What do you think of addiction being treated as a disease, as opposed to a criminal act?

42:21 Drew Oh, I'm 100% into that, and that's my whole thing.

42:24 Adam Yeah, and that's...

42:26 Todd McCormick PBS just did a pretty long series.

42:28 Drew Bill Moyer. Yeah, Bill Moyer. That was one of the best series in media about addiction that has ever been presented.

42:34 Todd McCormick Yeah, he really made it look like we're the criminals for putting these people in jail and not treating them like they have a disease.

42:41 Adam You're sure the best one wasn't one when Murphy Brown broached the subject?

42:45 Drew Yeah, except that one.

42:46 Adam Okay, all right. Mike. Mike. You're 17. Yes. Geez, I'm getting a contact.

42:53 Todd McCormick Hi. I'm straight.

42:57 Adam I think Todd farted and I just got a buzz.

43:00 Drew What's going on, Mike?

43:01 Well, about a week ago, my girlfriend and I, we had sex and afterwards, we went down to the supermarket and got a couple of those home pregnancy tests. And, you know, she used it and everything turned out fine. And then, you know, just like, you know, I tried it and the thing turned out, you know, blue. Like, you know, what the hell's up with that?

43:19 Drew When you did it?

43:20 Yeah, you know, like, you know, I used it.

43:23 Todd McCormick Is this a urine test?

43:25 Yeah, you know, yeah, I peed on it.

43:26 Drew What could be causing it in the...

43:30 Adam What could be in Mike's urine that would cause it to turn blue?

43:33 Well, I mean, like, you know, I know I'm not pregnant. I mean, right?

43:35 Drew Right, that's right, Mike. Yes, you're not. That is correct.

43:38 All right.

43:39 Go ahead, Adam.

43:41 Adam These things are like 12, 15 bucks a pop, right?

43:43 Yeah.

43:44 Adam You're 17.

43:45 Todd McCormick Right.

43:46 Adam You got so much money that you can just be sort of...

43:49 Drew Pissing it away?

43:51 Adam Thank you, Drew.

43:52 She paid for it, you know, it's her concern.

43:54 Adam Yeah, she did.

43:55 Todd McCormick She was concerned you were pregnant.

43:57 No, she was concerned she was. She bought a couple of them kits for us and it didn't work.

44:00 Adam Right. Well, you know, in case you didn't agree with the first one.

44:03 Drew I wonder if there's some maybe adrenal hormone or testosterone or something that gets cross-reacted in that assay. Obviously, it's something.

44:10 Adam Well, you know, what do those what do those tests detect in the urine?

44:14 Drew There was a beta HCG.

44:18 Adam You don't know.

44:19 Todd McCormick No, he did. That's what he didn't know.

44:21 Drew That's what I think it was. I mean, I have to check the we check the package.

44:25 Todd McCormick Was that Latin, Drew?

44:26 Adam No.

44:26 Caller Mike.

44:27 Drew Yes.

44:29 Adam Did she did she have the test? Did you wait two weeks?

44:34 Drew Yeah, he did.

44:36 Caller OK.

44:37 Adam Well, we're stumped.

44:38 Drew What it is in the male urine that could react? And I don't know. I have to check the package.

44:43 I mean, could it be like medicine or anything like that?

44:45 Drew No, I think it's probably the hormones that you produce that she doesn't. Interact with the acid.

44:49 It won't be any like drugs or anything like that.

44:51 Drew Why? What drugs?

44:52 Adam Well, it's got to smoke weed.

44:53 Yeah. Well, I mean, I take medicinal marijuana.

44:57 Adam You do?

44:58 Yeah.

44:59 Adam Are you just calling it medicinal marijuana because we have Todd on tonight?

45:02 No, no. I really use it as a medicine. I've got this nasty cold and I just...

45:07 Drew Oh, Todd. Mark, please.

45:08 Adam Listen, I knew the guy smoked weed because it just wouldn't occur to a guy who didn't smoke pot to pee on a stick, a pregnancy stick. It really wouldn't. I really knew it was. And not that that's bad. It just opens up. It's a new way to approach life.

45:22 Todd McCormick Can they be this inaccurate, though? I mean, people trusting their bodies with this and they're the same.

45:27 Drew No, they're very accurate, but men produce hormones that women don't. And obviously that interferes with this test. And so I'm wondering which hormones I don't know.

45:35 Adam Do you ever grow mushrooms, Todd?

45:36 Todd McCormick In Holland, yeah. Magic Mushroom Shop. You can get them little, you know, little medication kits. You can? Put them in your closet. You get two ounces twice.

45:44 Adam Really?

45:44 Todd McCormick It's considered an echo drug there. It's completely ecological. And they think that it's no big deal.

45:49 Adam And can you buy mushrooms in Holland?

45:51 Todd McCormick Oh yeah, dried or fresh. Yeah. And many, many, many varieties. You walk in, it's like, poof.

45:57 Adam Oh my god. Could you imagine that place?

45:59 Todd McCormick Very different, very different society than this.

46:02 Adam You know what's weird is you always hear about the hash dens over there, but you never hear about mushrooms, or you don't hear much about mushrooms over there.

46:13 Todd McCormick It's actually a new phenomenon over there with them, but it's huge now. It's really taken off.

46:19 Adam The country's in trouble. Believe me, I know what these mushrooms do, Drew. You go insane. You really do. You really become insane. Jesse.

46:29 Caller Hi.

46:29 Adam You're 21.

46:30 Caller Yes, I am.

46:31 Adam What's going on?

46:32 Caller Well, first of all, I'd like to say it's a pleasure to speak to both of you.

46:35 Adam Thanks.

46:36 Caller I listen to the show, really enjoy it.

46:38 Adam Which prison are you in?

46:41 Drew What's up, Jesse?

46:42 Caller Manhattan, Kansas.

46:43 Drew What's going on?

46:44 Caller My problem is that I am having trouble reaching orgasm. I haven't been able to for, let's see, probably about five months now.

46:54 Drew This was a sudden onset problem?

46:56 Caller I don't think it was sudden. It's just kind of hard for me to pinpoint exactly when it started.

47:00 Drew Is it with the same guy by yourself?

47:02 Caller Different guy. I started taking Depo-Provera in March, although I think the problem might have actually manifested before that.

47:11 Drew Any other medication?

47:14 Caller Just occasional allergy medication and asthma, but that's just occasional.

47:18 Drew That can affect it too, but again, that's only occasional. Depo-Provera could, but doesn't typically.

47:25 Caller Okay. Part of my problem too, I think, is I haven't been getting very lubricated during sex.

47:33 Drew Yep. That could be Depo-Provera.

47:34 Caller Okay.

47:35 Caller See, I don't know.

47:36 Caller It's hard for me to say.

47:37 Drew I think, yeah, you ought to talk to the doctors prescribing this. There are definitely birth control pills, birth control hormones that can suppress orgasm and sexual drive and those then can enhance it.

47:48 Adam Do you masturbate?

47:50 Caller No.

47:50 Adam Why don't you try that?

47:52 Caller I used to. My sex drive used to be incredible, but just in the past, I have to say, half a year things are just kind of I bet it's the Depo-Provera.

48:01 Adam Listen, and I gotta be honest with you. I don't feel like masturbating every night, but I do it anyway.

48:05 Todd McCormick You're not on birth control.

48:06 Drew It's your duty though.

48:07 Adam Right. I feel I owe it to my constituency.

48:12 Todd McCormick Wouldn't that be a bummer though, you take birth control and then you don't want to do it anymore?

48:16 Adam Yeah, it's kind of ironic. Alright, we'll be back.

48:24 Caller Love Line with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla. Be right back. W-E-B-N.

48:37 Man turns animal for the erotic pleasures of women.

48:41 It's Loveline. This is Ben Folds from Ben Folds 5, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

49:01 Adam Yes, you is. Don't worry, Todd, everyone's gonna pay. Don't you worry. I was telling my therapist today.

49:07 Drew That keeps a tally.

49:08 Adam I got a list of people who need to kiss my ass. Oh, yes.

49:12 Drew The list is growing or shrinking?

49:13 Adam Yeah, it's growing every day. You're on it.

49:16 Drew No, I'm not.

49:17 Adam Oh, yes, I know you're not. Okay, this is Love Line, Todd McCormick, the Pot Farmers here. I got to think of a quick title for you, Todd, you understand? And we'll be back in ten seconds. This is Loveline on Radio Station. It is Loveline, I'm Ace Rockolla, that is Dr. Drew, phone number for Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. All right, let's see, tomorrow night we got What Men Want. What the hell is that?

49:54 Drew It's a book you're gonna read tonight.

49:55 Adam Oh, please. What do you mean? Three professional single men, oh no. Yeah, Drew, don't make fun of these guys. Are you gonna be in here tomorrow night?

50:07 Drew Nope, I'll be calling you from San Francisco, San Jose. I'll be at KOME.

50:12 Adam All right. What are you doing over there, Drew?

50:15 Drew Doing another presentation about depression, intimacy, talking in San Francisco, talking. Really, this is just a great presentation.

50:22 Adam Selling your soul to the man?

50:23 Drew No, I'm not.

50:24 Adam This is something I'm delighted to do.

50:26 Drew Something I'm delighted to do. Delighted to do.

50:29 Adam And get paid.

50:30 Drew And get paid.

50:31 Adam Okay, I understand. You can do both sometimes, rarely. Todd McCormick is here. Todd, Todd's situation is he grew 4,116.

50:45 Todd McCormick You must be coming off your pot. You remember.

50:47 Drew I'm going to stop you for a second. What do you consider a job? Don't most jobs you get paid for?

50:52 Adam Yeah.

50:52 Drew All right, have a job. I can hire, do a job, do this presentation. Do a job.

50:57 Adam Yeah, but it takes away from your other job to do this job.

50:59 Drew No, no, it doesn't. I'll be broadcasting back down here from Crayon Me. It takes away from my practice a little bit.

51:05 Adam The belly full of brisket and tired as hell. Okay. Todd McCormick's here. And don't jump in that way, Drew. I was on a roll. What was I talking about?

51:16 Drew This guy's an asshole.

51:17 Adam Thank you. Todd grew 4,000 pot plants in his Bel-Air. How much was that Bel-Air estate to rent? Pretty expensive?

51:25 Todd McCormick About a dollar a square foot.

51:29 Adam How big a place was it?

51:30 Todd McCormick 6,000 square feet.

51:31 Adam Oh, really?

51:32 Todd McCormick Indoors, yeah. I was using every damn foot.

51:35 Adam That's nice.

51:36 Todd McCormick Yeah, it wasn't so bad.

51:36 Adam Were you getting laid a lot when you were over there?

51:38 Todd McCormick I get laid a lot anyway.

51:39 Adam Oh, really?

51:40 Todd McCormick Yeah, I have great sex life.

51:41 Adam Really?

51:41 Todd McCormick Yeah, really.

51:42 Adam Wait, you have a girlfriend?

51:43 Todd McCormick Of course. Of course. I've always been a very grounded kind of guy. Not running around.

51:48 Adam Right.

51:48 Todd McCormick Yeah. All the happy girls, you know, they love it. They're revolutionary, kind of truth seeking. Yeah. They dig it.

51:55 Adam Yeah, that's true.

51:56 Todd McCormick They're down with it.

51:57 Adam Yeah.

51:57 Todd McCormick They get in trouble, they wear your clothes, run around with your cell phone, try to get you out. It's great.

52:02 Adam Yeah. I tried wearing a beret for a little while. See if I could get some of the revolutionary boon tang. You know, but it didn't go for a beer. Didn't go for a while. That's a gay guy following me home. I've seen some French gay guys. I thought I was Che. Or K. Or whatever the hell that guy's name is.

52:16 Todd McCormick They would dig you in prison.

52:17 Adam Oh, yeah.

52:18 Todd McCormick Yeah.

52:19 Adam Yeah, I'd be the leader of my cell block. There's no doubt about that.

52:22 Drew You'd be building people's stuff.

52:24 Adam That's right. All right. So, Todd, where were the pot plants in the house? Were they in every room of the house?

52:31 Todd McCormick Yeah. Not only were they every, I decorated with them. I mean, plants that I was rejecting through my selection process, by my fireplace, around my desk. They make great house plants. They grow. They're the fastest growing land plant on the planet. The only plant that grows faster than hemp or cannabis is kelp.

52:46 Adam Oh, really?

52:47 Todd McCormick Yeah, seaweed. And you can't make a shirt, nor can you smoke it, so.

52:51 Adam I tried smoking the kelp once, and one of those big bulbs blew up in the bong. It took an eye out. It's horrible. And, you know, I'm no botanist, but I would say that if you could train marijuana to grow in the, underwater, where gravity isn't what it is on land, it would probably grow faster than the kelp.

53:12 Drew How the hell did you know that kelp was such a fast growing plant?

53:15 Adam I know it's a fast growing plant.

53:16 Drew Discovery Channel?

53:17 Todd McCormick That was great.

53:18 Adam Well, he said it was the fastest growing plant on land. So what is the, what am I going to say? A fern? They shut Drew's mic off, would you? I've had enough of him tonight. Okay, let's talk to him. Don't you think if they could grow pot out in the ocean, it would grow faster than kelp though?

53:35 Todd McCormick Well, sure. Absolutely.

53:37 Adam No, it's why, it's why, it's why an elephant is the biggest land animal and the whale's the biggest animal on the earth because it doesn't have to, an elephant, I mean, a whale would crush itself if it was on land. It needs a certain buoyancy in order to reach these incredible sizes.

53:53 Todd McCormick And how to reach him.

53:54 Drew Yeah, how did the Allosaurus and the Trinosaurus rex exist?

53:57 Adam All right, but they're dead, aren't they? All right, smart guy. Mr. Allosaurus rex over there. Is there an Allosaurus? Yeah.

54:04 Caller Okay.

54:06 Drew Trinosaurus doesn't exist anymore, as I've found.

54:08 Adam Right.

54:08 Caller By the way.

54:09 Adam Oh yeah, people get mad at you. And my only dinosaur reference is to Flintstones, so I'm screwed. There's the Trinosaurus ribs, the Trinosaurus burger. All right, so Todd, you grew the pot plants and you got busted. Woody Harrelson put up 500 grand, sprung in. And when do you go back in? When's your next court date?

54:30 Todd McCormick My court date's bumped till fall. Right now we're in the middle of fighting over my right to use legally prescribed medication, a synthetic agglobalin and marijuana called Marinal.

54:38 Adam Right.

54:38 Todd McCormick I'm the first federal case in history to be denied legal legitimized prescription meds. I mean, and this is the irony. They say it's okay if I use Vicodin, which is opiate-based, and I would mask my, say, heroin use, which I don't do, but this is the concept. But if I use Marinal, which is THC-based, and I can mask my marijuana use, they're adamantly opposed to it.

54:59 Adam This wasn't chronicled in Roe vs. Doug? Back in 1974? All right. George?

55:08 Yes?

55:08 Adam You're 27.

55:10 Caller 27.

55:10 Adam Yeah, what's going on there?

55:12 Caller Hey, this thing about the United States, how the federal government's really balking about legalization, it is in the NATO treaty.

55:21 Adam Oh, it is? Yeah.

55:22 Drew What do you mean?

55:23 Adam You mean for Native Americans?

55:24 Caller Involved with NATO is not allowed to legalize it.

55:28 Adam Say that again?

55:29 Caller Any country that is part of NATO, is not allowed to legalize it.

55:34 Drew Is it Holland and NATO?

55:36 Todd McCormick They have bucked the system. No, they very much are. They very much are. And it's been interesting because the government was running around back in the early 60s getting everybody to sign on to the United Nations Single Treaty Convention. So basically, if you wanted to do business with America, you had to set up marijuana eradication programs, even if marijuana wasn't considered marijuana in your country, but considered hemp. So they went to places like Nepal where people rely on this plant for their clothing for different things and destroyed it. I mean, pesticides, the whole nine yards.

56:02 Adam We're really evil. We really are an evil country.

56:05 Todd McCormick Yeah.

56:06 Caller I've been like part of with, are you familiar with Gavrath?

56:10 Todd McCormick Very.

56:11 Caller Okay. I've been with part of his organizers to help finance his campaign. And I'd heard this, and when I mentioned it, because I work with one of the guys.

56:20 Adam Who is that, the guy who runs with Pat Paulson every year? Who is that?

56:25 Caller We have to have something. I mean, it's here in the Midwest and it's rampant.

56:28 Drew What is?

56:28 Caller I mean, weed.

56:30 Drew Ditch weed.

56:30 Caller You know, you're cutting out tobacco and really the other industrial things for as far as like the Midwest Kentucky, Tennessee does not grow as well.

56:38 Todd McCormick Thousands of farmers losing their land because we're the first, you know, like children of this society to have amnesia and to not know what ditch weed was. I got to point out, I mean, cannabis is not indigenous to North America. The Pilgrims brought it here. It is what made their boat float. It was the hemp seed oil they used to sealant that actually made the boat float. It is what the sails were made of that blew them over the ocean and made them find this place. And we brought hemp with us, hemp seed. It's what we founded our country on, really. And I mean, this first slavery, they were brought here to break, to break hemp. The cotton gin wasn't invented till the late 1700s.

57:12 Adam Is that why the black guys are so much into the weed?

57:15 Todd McCormick Yeah, right. And then we attacked them, you know, the jazz musicians were the first people, you know, they have this, this type of prejudice and placed against because they were smoking pot and playing music.

57:23 Adam It's a horrible country, Drew. It really is. I blame you over here.

57:27 Todd McCormick Hey, we gotta change it. It's gonna talk in the bus. I know.

57:30 Adam You know why? Because you're the man.

57:31 Drew I am the man?

57:32 Adam Over there with your rayon tie. Wow. And your sensible glasses. Look at you. Noah.

57:40 Caller Adam, you're the funniest man in radio.

57:41 Adam Oh, thanks. Hey, Todd, I want to hang out with you and the Harrelsons and we'll like strap ourselves to some bridge somewhere and get stoned.

57:48 Todd McCormick Hey, that's not a problem. All right.

57:50 Adam Can we do that?

57:51 Todd McCormick We can do that, you know, but I don't know if Woody's going to be jumping up any bridges soon.

57:55 Adam Well, how long ago did he get busted? Is that like a year and a half ago or something like that?

57:58 Todd McCormick A year and a half ago. Yeah, he got fined. You know what he had to do? He had to bring a bunch of children into the woods camping and teach them about the environment that was part of his rehabilitation.

58:05 Adam Really?

58:06 Todd McCormick Can you believe it?

58:06 Adam I bet he got them all stoned.

58:08 Todd McCormick I know. Oh, God, I wouldn't even get into it. But no, no. You know, I think it was a surprise to the parents. You were off in the woods with who? Flint and what? Growing, huh?

58:16 Adam Hey, Ma, you know the guy who played Larry Flint? We're going camping.

58:21 Todd McCormick No, natural born killers.

58:22 Adam Oh, yeah. I don't.

58:23 Todd McCormick Yeah, he's maniac.

58:25 Drew So now what's going on?

58:26 Caller Well, Dr. Drew, I'm when I was about eight, I was molested and it was one isolated episode. And since then, ever since then, have kind of repressed it, but thought about it and wondered if just an isolated episode like that could have serious implications for my relationships with people, my sexual identity and.

59:00 Adam Did you say you're eight?

59:02 Caller About eight or nine.

59:04 Adam But it all depends on who did it and what was done, right?

59:07 Drew To answer your question, it can, but it doesn't have to. And it certainly isn't as bad as having a family member or somebody you trust to do it and do it repeatedly and or do it at a younger age.

59:19 Caller Right.

59:19 Drew But it can have implications and it can be serious or not.

59:22 Adam Who was it?

59:24 Caller It was an old guy in Vermont, brother of the town cop. I remember not too much about him, but at the time I didn't realize that what he was doing wasn't right. He would make me pull down my pants and run to the nearest tree. At the time, I knew something was wrong. I knew that there was something wrong about this man and the way he was using me.

1:00:03 Adam But it just happened on one occasion?

1:00:06 Caller Yes. I used to hang out with one of my neighbors in the woods and he sort of introduced me to this man and tried to get me to play along in the sex games.

1:00:28 Adam But it happened on one occasion?

1:00:29 Caller Right.

1:00:30 Adam And it's not like the guy sodomized you?

1:00:34 Caller No.

1:00:34 Adam No. No or no?

1:00:39 Caller Well, he just made me feel really creepy about my body and made me feel creepy about what sex was for.

1:00:55 Adam All right. You're allowed to be a little bit disturbed, but it's not really an excuse for screwing up a bunch of marriages or anything. No.

1:01:03 Caller I just wonder if how not telling my parents, which I didn't tell them, maybe leads me to wonder if I now have a hostility toward my mother for not being there.

1:01:24 Adam I would hypothesize that it was his parents created an environment that he didn't feel comfortable approaching them with something like this that was the problem more than the fact that you didn't tell them.

1:01:35 Drew That and there's a common sort of fantasy or feeling in people that have been traumatized, and that is they resent the hell out of their parents for not having rescued them from it or preventing it from having happened in the first place. That's a pretty childlike thing to cling on to. You got to kind of let go of that if you can.

1:01:52 Adam Yeah, one night out tapping maple trees with Uncle Lou is probably not going to destroy your psyche. It's not going to help, and some people cling on to stuff and make a lot out of it, and some people seem to get over things, but it was one time, it wasn't with a family member, and it was sort of not what you'd call brutal or overt. So I don't want to minimize it too much, but I think you can get over it. We are giving you the okay to get over it.

1:02:21 Todd McCormick You know, someone in this position, how would they go about finding help? I mean, you get up here.

1:02:25 Drew I just think traditional therapy is fun.

1:02:27 Todd McCormick Pick up a phone book.

1:02:29 Drew If you have a family doctor, go to primary care first and ask for a referral.

1:02:33 Adam You don't have to call a hotline, because it was 19 years ago.

1:02:36 Drew No, I mean.

1:02:37 Adam I was molested in 1967. I'm calling the hotline.

1:02:39 Drew It is very difficult for people to find good mental health professionals because they don't know how to assess them. I mean, just because somebody has wrote a book or is in the newspapers or is on the radio, for that matter, doesn't necessarily mean they're great clinicians. You have to rely on other clinicians whom you trust to give you adequate referrals. They're the ones doing the assessing.

1:02:58 Adam These guys don't have to be any good anyway. I was just at the Shrink today. I don't know if my guy's any good or not. He never talks.

1:03:05 Drew No, I had a extremely, extraordinarily well-trained analyst who wants to tell me in her entire career, and she's like a 20-year career, no one had ever asked her about her training.

1:03:15 Todd McCormick Nobody.

1:03:16 Drew Nobody ever come in and said, where were you trained, how were you trained, what's your orientation? They just came in and said, help me.

1:03:20 Todd McCormick On your initial contact with these people, are there any elementary questions you should just pass by them?

1:03:28 Drew Well, again, it's really hard. It depends on the kind of therapy people are looking for, and the kinds of situations, and their access to resources. I mean, the initial contact, you should be as far along in the training scale as possible, like MD or PhD level to get a diagnostic impression. And then the people that actually do the work can be referred to you by them.

1:03:49 Adam I bring my own Rorschach test. What I do, and this is how I weed out the bad therapist. I take a piece of construction paper, like the kids use to deck making during Christmas time, fold it in half, then I take a dump right on the crease, and then I fold it in half again, and then I show it to the therapist. And if he says, I say, what does this picture look like to you? And he says, it looks like somebody handing somebody a hundred and ten dollars.

1:04:16 Todd McCormick He's out.

1:04:17 Adam He's out. If there's any money involved with it. For a lot of these guys, it looks like money.

1:04:23 All right.

1:04:24 Adam Is that how they do this, where I shake this? Does someone actually take a dook into those?

1:04:28 Drew They used to.

1:04:31 Adam Well, you heard it here first, everybody. Stacey.

1:04:35 Caller Yes.

1:04:36 Adam Yeah, you're 22.

1:04:37 Drew What's going on?

1:04:39 Caller I guess my question is for Dr. Drew.

1:04:41 Yeah.

1:04:42 Caller I, ever since I've been 14, I've been really, really good about doing breast self-exams every month because the doctor told me that because my breasts are so large that it's often harder to find abnormalities.

1:04:56 Adam That's a bigger haystack you've got to find that needle in.

1:05:00 Caller Yeah.

1:05:01 Adam How big is that haystack, Stacey?

1:05:04 Like Angelique, but real.

1:05:06 Adam Really?

1:05:07 Caller Yeah, it's pretty bad.

1:05:08 Adam Really? What do you mean bad? What size?

1:05:13 Caller In any case.

1:05:14 Adam Oh, no, please. I'm just curious.

1:05:18 Caller They're past double D.

1:05:20 Adam Oh, really?

1:05:21 Caller Yeah.

1:05:21 Adam Do you have to get a special bra made?

1:05:24 Caller Most of the time, yeah.

1:05:25 Adam Really? And what do you do? Do you just go to a bra making shop?

1:05:28 Caller Yeah.

1:05:29 Adam I'd like to print this at one of those places. All right. And how's the rest of you?

1:05:35 Caller Well, I have a bad back.

1:05:37 Oh, okay.

1:05:39 Caller But in any case, so last week, I was doing an exam and, you know, I've been told how to do it with your arms behind your head and whatever, and to squeeze the nipple. And I did, and it just like pouring out of it came sort of like a...

1:05:57 Adam If she says beer, I'm coming over.

1:06:01 Caller It was like, I don't want to say like puss, but it wasn't like clear liquid. It was definitely like...

1:06:06 Drew That's milk.

1:06:08 Milk, like literally milk.

1:06:09 Drew That's milk.

1:06:12 Caller It's like sticky.

1:06:13 Drew That's milk.

1:06:14 Adam Well, it's not the crap you get from the Albertsons, but it's just it's your own form of milk.

1:06:20 Drew It's human milk. And the question is why are you lactating? Do you want any medications?

1:06:24 Caller No, and it's only from one breast.

1:06:26 Drew Yeah.

1:06:28 Adam Hey, Drew, I've seen these movies, and seriously, and the women who have the large breasts are able to do this. It has to do with the size of the breast.

1:06:37 I can't like do it at will.

1:06:38 Drew Well, I would think it would be worthwhile having it evaluated because thyroid problems can cause this, but little pituitary tumors can sometimes do this. Medication is probably the most common reason, and just irritation of the breast. I mean, the fact that you're stimulating the nipple all the time may be enough to cause the milk to be produced.

1:06:53 Adam Why do they tell you to feel your nipple?

1:06:55 Drew They don't.

1:06:56 Adam They don't tell you to do that.

1:06:57 Drew Right.

1:06:58 Adam What kind of doctor is this?

1:07:00 Caller I don't know. Same person I've been seeing since I was 14.

1:07:04 Adam God knows what he's doing to the image of you feeling your nipple.

1:07:06 Caller Well, she said, you know, squeeze to see if there's any pain.

1:07:09 Adam Feel your nipple? You don't get any lumps in your nipple, do you?

1:07:13 Drew You get behind it. Behind it, we need to be able to feel behind.

1:07:16 Adam What if you did feel sensitivity in your nipple? Would it mean that there was something going on in your breast?

1:07:20 Drew No, that's not my understanding of the typical procedure in self-examination.

1:07:25 Adam But Stacey, aren't you supposed to feel the rest of your breast to feel for lumps?

1:07:28 Drew Yes.

1:07:29 Adam You did that.

1:07:30 Yes.

1:07:30 Adam All right. We may want to go back and talk to her, but I swear to God, through these movies, I've learned that the larger breasts seem to produce milk. The women with the smaller chest can't do it. So that could just be it, Stacey.

1:07:44 Okay.

1:07:46 Drew But I wouldn't be alarmed, but I do think it's worth just getting a check just in case it is an early sign of something else. None of these things are, like I said, a thyroid condition, a little pituitary adenomas can do this. Okay.

1:07:58 Adam How much is one of those custom bras?

1:08:01 Caller About 40 bucks.

1:08:02 Adam Really? How much is a regular bra?

1:08:05 Well, depends where you buy it.

1:08:06 Caller If you buy it at Victoria's Secret, it could be 36. If you buy it at Target, like 12.

1:08:14 Adam It doesn't seem like it's that much. You know what I mean?

1:08:17 Caller Like a lot of money.

1:08:18 Adam Well, I know.

1:08:19 Drew But here is that much material? I mean, or that much?

1:08:21 Adam Here's what I'm saying. It's like I go in and buy a pair of pants off the rack. It's, you know, 40 bucks. And it'd be like me going, well, I went in and had a pair of pants made for myself. Well, $43.

1:08:30 Caller Yeah.

1:08:31 Adam You know what I mean? It'd be $140. Easy.

1:08:34 Caller Yeah. Easy.

1:08:35 Adam Why wouldn't it be more?

1:08:37 I don't know.

1:08:38 Adam Okay. Well, look into that. What did you say?

1:08:41 All right.

1:08:41 Adam Okay. And when you go in there, do you have to take your top off?

1:08:44 Yeah.

1:08:45 Adam You do? And they measure you?

1:08:48 Yeah.

1:08:49 Adam Now, do they just measure around or do they have like a army helmet or something that they use?

1:08:56 Caller It's mostly measuring.

1:08:57 Adam Is it a guy who does it?

1:08:59 Caller No.

1:09:00 Todd McCormick Adam's precision.

1:09:00 Caller A little old grandma lady.

1:09:02 Adam Yeah.

1:09:03 Caller Yeah.

1:09:03 Adam And then, and then like as soon as she leaves, like Mission Impossible, it pulls the thing up. It's a seven foot tall black man.

1:09:13 Caller Whoa.

1:09:14 Adam Oh, yes. I got to get a job at one of these places.

1:09:17 Todd McCormick Open your own shop.

1:09:19 Adam Adam's custom bra. You know what I do? Here's what I do. I just buy some storefront property or rent lease some storefront property over in Ventura Boulevard there. I call it Bra Makers to the Stars. And basically, here's a scam. I say custom bras made out of any material, half price. And the first one's free. And I just get all these great big busty women to come in there and I weigh their brass and I do the water displacement test and I measure everything. And then a month and a half goes by and they don't receive any bra. And then I just move. I just pack up and leave. Would that be great? You want Indra?

1:09:51 Drew You have the weirdest fantasies. The amazing thing is this really is doing something for you.

1:09:58 Adam Oh, yeah. I know. Yeah, it's doing something for Todd, too. All right. We'll be back.

1:10:06 Love Line will be right back on WEBN.

1:10:20 Caller Oh, we are right there.

1:10:21 It's Loveline on WEBN.

1:10:44 Caller Hey, this is Paul.

1:10:45 Caller This is Kevin.

1:10:45 Caller And this is Steve, and we're Smash Mouth, and you're listening to Love Lines with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:10:50 Adam Yes, you is. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Todd McCormick is here. Todd had himself a whole bunch of pot plants in his Bel Air estate. Todd suffers from what we'll just call form of cancer because no doc there. And Todd's friends with the Harrelsons and Todd got thrown in jail and Todd got out of jail because Woody posted about half a million bucks to get them out. And Todd is here tonight to talk a little about the marijuana, set the record straight. Anything you want to say Todd?

1:11:32 Todd McCormick Sure.

1:11:33 Adam Okay.

1:11:35 Todd McCormick This is a good time, guys. You guys are more fun in person than even out listening.

1:11:38 Adam Oh, really?

1:11:38 Todd McCormick You guys have no idea how much fun you guys really have back here.

1:11:41 Adam Are we having a good time?

1:11:43 Drew I guess so. I don't know. We're too used to this.

1:11:45 Todd McCormick You must be.

1:11:46 Adam What's different about being in here as opposed to a...

1:11:49 Drew I have a great time here.

1:11:51 Adam Yeah, I love the radio show too.

1:11:52 Todd McCormick Yeah. I've done a lot of shows. Some guys are kind of dry. Some they're really trying to conceive what they're doing and be creative and you guys are just flowing at school.

1:12:00 Adam We rarely attempt to conceive what we're doing. I usually have to coax Drew into the room because the show is starting.

1:12:06 Drew I mean, listen, it is a pleasure being part of this program, I have to tell you.

1:12:11 Adam Right. Is that why you want to leave five minutes early every night?

1:12:13 Drew Tired too, but I'm grateful and I love doing this.

1:12:16 Adam To service. We just want to leave early just because.

1:12:19 Drew I'm tired. I practice all day.

1:12:20 Adam All right. I don't know.

1:12:21 Todd McCormick You're clinical. You worked all day, didn't you?

1:12:26 Adam Is Drew allowed to call me a prick?

1:12:28 Caller I don't know.

1:12:29 Todd McCormick You know what's the hate thing going on here, guys?

1:12:32 Adam We love each other. We really do. There's nobody better than Drew in this business.

1:12:36 Drew I just feel that way about Adam.

1:12:37 Caller Oh, really? Well, okay.

1:12:39 Drew I'm not good at stroking him.

1:12:42 Adam No kidding.

1:12:42 Drew Yeah, but I do mean it when I say it.

1:12:44 Caller Yeah.

1:12:45 Adam We love Ann, too.

1:12:47 Todd McCormick Let's go with the question of.

1:12:48 Adam Would you say you love Ann so she doesn't get pissed off?

1:12:49 Drew Yeah, Ann's great. Look, I haven't met her for 10 years.

1:12:52 Adam What's going on, Dr?

1:12:52 Drew I haven't met her for 10 years.

1:12:54 Todd McCormick Okay, I got a friend. Okay, and he holds his orgasm. You mentioned the word Kama Sutra earlier.

1:13:00 Adam Yeah.

1:13:01 Todd McCormick Yeah, and tried to put it off, put it off, put it off. Won't mention any names, but you can hear about it on Barbara Walters' specially good ones, but anyhow. You know, what is up with this?

1:13:12 Adam Well, it makes your hair fall out.

1:13:15 Caller What?

1:13:16 Caller I don't know what he's talking about.

1:13:17 Todd McCormick He was real sensitive about that. You shouldn't say that.

1:13:19 Adam I don't know who you're talking about. I just heard that.

1:13:22 Drew Is that right, Drew? Yeah, I guess it does. No. I don't really understand that whole thing.

1:13:28 Adam That whole thing. Yeah, because here's what I've always said about the orgasm. It is the one aspect of life that doesn't really need tweaking.

1:13:39 Drew Doesn't need much improving.

1:13:40 Adam You know what I mean? Here's what the orgasm is. It's like you bought yourself a Lamborghini Diablo. You don't need to put headers on it. You know what I'm saying? You got 400 horsepower and it's beautiful. And if you want to go tinker with something, go tinker with the mower.

1:13:59 Drew Remember we had a what's-your-name in here from Heidi Fleiss's Bevy?

1:14:02 Adam Yeah.

1:14:03 Drew And she was claiming all kinds of special techniques she had. And I just didn't get it. I still don't remember that.

1:14:08 Todd McCormick Maybe the delaying of it can make it last a little.

1:14:10 Drew Well delaying certainly can increase the intensity, certainly. But you can just not touch yourself for a few days.

1:14:16 Adam Right.

1:14:17 Drew You get the same outcome.

1:14:18 That would suck.

1:14:19 Adam It's a, you know, on one hand, I mean, I'm a little torn here. Because on one hand, I understand that you have one of the greatest physical experiences in life, which is the orgasm. And you're looking for ways to heighten what is already a spectacular experience. And on one hand, it sort of makes a certain degree of sense. But on the other hand, it's so much better than any other facet of life already. Why don't you work on all those other facets of life, bring them up to the orgasm level, and then go to work on the orgasm? That's kind of my thinking.

1:14:53 Todd McCormick Simple theory.

1:14:54 Adam I've never had a bad orgasm. My orgasms have ranged from good to spectacular, but they've never even dipped into the mediocre.

1:15:04 Todd McCormick A little, maybe a little too quick sometimes.

1:15:06 Adam Yeah, oh yeah, sure.

1:15:08 Drew Sean.

1:15:09 Yeah.

1:15:09 Drew What's going on?

1:15:10 Well, I'm having a real big problem sleeping. And I have no clue as to why, but I think it has to do with my girlfriend. Because we're not together right now.

1:15:23 Drew How long ago did you break up?

1:15:26 I'd say, I mean, about three months, but we kept in contact.

1:15:29 Drew All right, so I mean, that can be pretty upsetting, make you depressed and certainly disrupt your sleep patterns.

1:15:34 Adam Here's what depression does. It makes you not sleep when you're supposed to sleep and then be tired all the rest of the time when you're supposed to be awake. It's really horrible.

1:15:44 Caller I'm not depressed about it, you know what I mean?

1:15:46 Drew Or disturbed.

1:15:47 Caller Well, even that. I mean, we still keep in contact, but I haven't talked to her for about a month and a half, you know what I mean? Because we had a fight, sort of.

1:15:54 Adam How do you know you're not depressed about it?

1:15:56 Caller Well, put it this way. I never think about it, except, you know, like once in a great while.

1:16:02 Drew All right, so why do you think you're not sleeping? And why do you bring her up in the context of having difficulty sleeping?

1:16:07 Caller Because this is the only thing I could come up with to, you know, help me understand why.

1:16:12 Drew How many hours a night are you sleeping?

1:16:14 Caller Two maybe, less. I'm up to four or five in the morning every night. And it's not that I'm not tired.

1:16:20 Drew And you can't fall asleep, or it's not that you fall asleep and then wake up and can't go back asleep?

1:16:24 Caller No, I can't fall asleep. I come home from school or, you know, work and, you know, we're just going out.

1:16:32 Adam Do you take a nap? Do you take naps?

1:16:34 Caller No.

1:16:35 Drew Do you take any medications?

1:16:36 Caller No.

1:16:37 Drew Do you do drugs?

1:16:38 Caller No.

1:16:38 Adam Drew, you know what you talk about? You hear about these people like throughout, you know, history, I don't know, Abe Lincoln slept 45 minutes a night.

1:16:46 Drew Right.

1:16:46 Adam And all that kind of nonsense.

1:16:47 Drew Some people need less sleep.

1:16:49 Adam I understand that. But Drew, you, I've never met a person who needed sleep less than you.

1:16:55 Drew No, no, no, no, no, no.

1:16:56 Adam Shut up, you wuss, and listen to me. I'm telling you, your guy who sleeps for two hours and then you want to go work out before we do the radio show or on the road somewhere, I've never met, although I do come from North Hollywood where people, it is the NAP Capital of the world. I think, I think it's rivaled, Mexicali, possibly, may, may be vying for the title this year, but I.

1:17:17 Drew Lions Club welcomes you to the NAP Capital.

1:17:19 Adam Yes, and there's a picture of a guy with a sombrero tipped over and he's leaning up against a dumpster.

1:17:26 Todd McCormick In Spain they actually stop their work, do they have a siesta?

1:17:29 Adam Oh, I'd be mayor, I'd be mayor of that, that country, I really would. But here's my point, you hear these people say, I sleep two hours a night. I don't believe them. I've slept two hours a night, one night, maybe two nights in a row, can't function. I mean, cannot hold, cannot form a sentence, can barely drive. I do not believe Sean when he says, I sleep two hours a night, you know, every night.

1:17:55 Todd McCormick How long has this been going on for?

1:17:57 Caller Probably about two weeks now. I mean, see, like, that's the point, man. I hadn't talked to her since, I think, like, late March.

1:18:05 Drew Are you having any of the symptoms at all? Any other symptoms?

1:18:09 Caller Like what, I mean?

1:18:10 Drew Are you losing weight? Are you sweating a lot? Are you intolerant of heat?

1:18:13 Caller I've lost about ten pounds.

1:18:14 Drew Yeah. Do you feel hot all the time?

1:18:17 Caller No.

1:18:18 Drew Are you not eating?

1:18:19 Caller No, yeah, I'm not eating.

1:18:21 Adam What's the feel hot part?

1:18:22 Drew Well, I'm wondering if it's a thyroid problem or something.

1:18:24 Adam Maybe I have a thyroid problem. I'm always feeling hot.

1:18:27 Caller I mean, I've been sick recently, man. I had like my wisdom teeth removed about three weeks ago.

1:18:31 Todd McCormick Yeah.

1:18:32 Caller And I got a case of the flu.

1:18:34 Drew All right.

1:18:34 Adam Could you prescribe this guy some weed so we could go to bed?

1:18:38 Todd McCormick That might help.

1:18:39 Drew You ought to get a medical evaluation, Sean, just to make sure it's not something else triggering this. And some people have just disturbed sleep or sleep cycles are easily sort of set off. And somebody can give you some medication perhaps to get you back in balance, back in some normal pattern of sleep. There's something wrong here, whether it does not specifically sound like it's emotionally generated, but certainly that would be a possibility. First you need a medical evaluation.

1:19:05 Todd McCormick Doctor, how long till sleep deprivation really can take an effect in your life?

1:19:09 Drew One night.

1:19:10 Todd McCormick One night, right.

1:19:10 Drew I mean, it really can affect you.

1:19:12 Todd McCormick Yeah.

1:19:13 Adam Todd, you have that?

1:19:14 Todd McCormick Yeah. My chronic pain, every time I move, my body, my neck wakes me up, it really is. And then I wake up tired. And then when I went to sleep, my appetite is destroyed. I start feeling depressed.

1:19:26 Adam Now, if you could smoke your weed, would you be all right?

1:19:30 Todd McCormick I have lived a very normal life since age 12, smoking pot, and not doing any other drugs, not really getting into a lot of other stuff.

1:19:36 Drew Let me just toss out some more options.

1:19:37 Adam I would sue the government when you're done with this.

1:19:39 Drew There's a new anti-inflammatory called Diract that has a lot of analgesic properties, D-U-R-A-C-T. And you could use that in combination with... There are, again, newer antidepressants that have positive influences on sleep cycles, like serosone.

1:19:54 Adam Can you put that in this bowl?

1:19:57 Drew And I understand that these are all...

1:19:58 Adam Can I throw it?

1:19:59 Drew No. Kit, what's going on?

1:20:03 Caller Yeah.

1:20:04 Adam You're 17.

1:20:05 Caller Yeah.

1:20:05 Adam What the F is wrong with this government? This Todd McCormick is his body's riddled with cancer, he can't sleep at night, he wants to smoke a J before he hits the hay.

1:20:14 Caller Hey, it works for me.

1:20:15 Adam Who the hell cares what he's doing? You're not leading anyone on any high-speed pursuits, you're not raping anyone, you're not doing anything. You smoke pot, you go to bed. You and Woody Harrelson and Brett Harrelson, you sit around, you watch a movie you've all seen a thousand times before and laugh your asses off, and then you go to bed.

1:20:31 Todd McCormick Hey, Blazing Saddles.

1:20:33 Adam That's right. You guys watch Blazing Saddles for the 15th time at night and go to bed.

1:20:36 Drew Who cares?

1:20:36 Todd McCormick I watched that straight once and didn't laugh the whole movie.

1:20:39 Adam No, it's very offensive when you're straight.

1:20:42 Drew Kit, what's the question?

1:20:43 Caller I have two problems. One of them is for Drew and one of them is for Adam. All right. Adam, you of all people would know, my sex life is so boring. I've been with my boyfriend for two years now. It used to be like rabbits all the time. And lately, it's just been nothing. So I tried putting him off for a month. We finally did it today and it was the worst sex I've ever had. And what can I do to get it back?

1:21:13 Adam Yeah. Well, it's like it's retarded logic. It's like saying, this guy, he's only hitting a buck 35. He's struggling at the plate. Why don't we take this bat away and sit him down for a month? Then he comes up and he whiffs.

1:21:26 Drew Yeah.

1:21:26 Adam You know what I mean?

1:21:27 Drew Right.

1:21:28 Adam That's not going to do it. There's a reason why the sex life has been dropping off and it wasn't cured by him taking the month off.

1:21:36 Right.

1:21:37 Adam But is it him or is it you?

1:21:40 Caller I don't know.

1:21:41 Drew And if it's you, it's you for a woman, it's usually something absent in the relationship, at least in his emotional availability to you.

1:21:49 Caller That might be it.

1:21:49 Drew So what's going on there?

1:21:51 Caller A lady called earlier and said that she couldn't reach orgasm and you guys talked to her and found out that she was on depo.

1:21:59 Drew Right.

1:21:59 Caller And she's also on antibiotic.

1:22:01 Drew Right.

1:22:01 Caller And she's also not very lubricated.

1:22:03 Drew Right.

1:22:04 Caller I think she was inside my head because that's exactly the same way. I'm on depo. I'm on Allegra for my allergies. And I can't stay wet.

1:22:11 Adam Hey, do you ever do any wind sailing over cotton fields?

1:22:19 Caller My mom lives on a farm.

1:22:21 Adam Yeah. I saw this woman with a jet ski on a big cornfield. It's great. I don't know what that Allegra was. But I said, I got to get some of this. It's pretty good.

1:22:30 Drew It's a very good anti-allergy medicine. But this may be affecting your sex drive. And there may be some issues interpersonally between you guys. So, you know, talk to your doctor about, I mean, my triphasic pills tend to be enhancing of your sex drive.

1:22:43 Adam What's going on with Kit? She sounds like she's 45 years old.

1:22:47 Drew Yeah, that is that. What, how's your boyfriend?

1:22:48 Caller He's 16.

1:22:50 Adam He went high school?

1:22:51 Caller Yeah.

1:22:52 Adam And you're on the depro?

1:22:54 Caller Yeah, I'm on depro.

1:22:54 Adam Did someone put, did the state put you on that or something?

1:22:57 Caller Actually, yeah, he got me pregnant and we had to deal with that. And then after that, my dad decided, okay, you're going on depro because we're not going to deal with this again.

1:23:05 Adam God bless your dad.

1:23:06 Caller Yeah, no kidding.

1:23:07 Caller Wow, what a wonderful man.

1:23:09 Drew Hey, but for all the other dads out there, it cuts their sex drive out too.

1:23:12 Caller My dad said.

1:23:13 Drew I'm putting my daughter on when she's 14.

1:23:15 Adam You put her on a drip right now, Drew. She'll be a eunuch by the time she hits puberty. Drew, you're a doctor. Yeah. You can start working that kind of thing into her cereal and stuff, couldn't you? I forgot. I mean, couldn't you?

1:23:29 Todd McCormick Hey, my mother put chemotherapy in my apple sauce and I'm just off it since I was four.

1:23:34 Adam Oh, really?

1:23:35 Todd McCormick Yeah, it ruined me. I love apple juice. I love apples. I cannot touch apple sauce.

1:23:39 Adam Isn't that weird? It's so weird how the Dickie from the Boston's was telling me once that he went to Mexico on a whim when he was like, I don't know, 1921 in Dirt Poor, and he took a bus from, I don't know, like Mexico City back to Boston. And by the time it was time for him to leave, he didn't have a penny. He didn't have a penny. He had like $5. And with that $5, he bought a jumbo jar of peanut butter and like two loaves of bread. And he lived off peanut butter and bread for about two and a half weeks, he thought. And he said, I can never look at another peanut butter sandwich. And I thought that you've really deprived yourself of one of the greatest things in life because there's nothing better than a peanut butter sandwich. But it's great how conditioning works. And you could do this. I think you can do this with your kids, with booze, with cigarettes, possibly with pot and heroin. Drew, do you know what I mean?

1:24:36 Drew Got him strung out.

1:24:37 Adam Well, here's what I'm saying. We talk to people all the time and people, there's some like aversion therapy or whatever they call it. But there's people get weird on stuff and they'll never touch it again.

1:24:48 Drew Unfortunately, aversion therapy doesn't.

1:24:50 Adam For me, it's that way with oral sex. But it also does one bad experience in high school and that's it.

1:24:54 Todd McCormick It doesn't let anybody do you?

1:24:56 Adam No, I won't do anyone else.

1:24:57 Caller Aversion therapy really doesn't work when it comes to addictive biochemistry.

1:25:02 Drew Let's go on a commercial show.

1:25:03 Adam Okay. All right. So that wouldn't work. We'll be back.

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1:25:24 Caller We've got a frog in our throat.

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1:25:28 Caller W-E-B-N.

1:25:43 Caller Hi, this is Dan, John, and Jake. We're Semisonic, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:25:49 Adam Yes, you is. And Todd McCormick, who's in here tonight. Todd got busted.

1:25:54 Todd McCormick Mascot of the evening.

1:25:55 Adam Yeah, Todd got busted for growing a bunch of pot a few months back, but he's in good hands now. He's got the Harrelson brothers enlisted. Woody posted a little bond, got him out of the clink, and the court date is when?

1:26:11 Todd McCormick They've pushed it off to the fall. Next time I'm in court it will be June 10th. You actually can read about it. Should I say on a website we've got called Marijuana Magazine. One word, marijuanamagazine.com. Tune in, turn on, make a difference.

1:26:27 Drew Is that Drew? I'm here.

1:26:29 Adam You got anything you want to say?

1:26:31 No.

1:26:31 Adam No. Okay, that's good. That's why I like it. Chris?

1:26:34 Yeah.

1:26:35 Adam You're 23.

1:26:36 Caller Yep.

1:26:36 Caller What's going on?

1:26:37 Caller Not much. I had an answer for your gentleman with the testing positive on a pregnancy test.

1:26:43 Yeah.

1:26:44 Caller When I was in the Army, I came down with testicular cancer. And one of the ways they tested for it was to give me a pregnancy test.

1:26:53 Drew Yeah, but those tumors produce beta-HCG sometimes.

1:26:56 Caller Yeah. Well, what they did was they tested me that way. And then once that, once they found out that I was positive on a pregnancy test, they went further with it to check for testicular cancer.

1:27:08 Drew Oh, so you think he should be tested?

1:27:10 Caller Yes, definitely. Well, that's what they did with me because they sent me over to the pregnancy ward. And I went over there and all the women were wondering what about them I was going to go in.

1:27:19 Drew So basically, so the test only checks for beta-HCG, and the only time a man would produce that is if they have a tumor.

1:27:25 Caller Exactly.

1:27:27 Drew Ooh, thank you very much.

1:27:29 Caller If you have his number, you might want to call him back.

1:27:30 Drew Did you get that, Adam?

1:27:31 Caller Did you hear that?

1:27:32 Drew Do we have way of getting back in touch with that guy? Oh, jeez.

1:27:34 Adam Well, he's probably listening.

1:27:35 Drew I hope he's listening.

1:27:37 Adam Would it have to be testicular cancer, or could it be another form of cancer?

1:27:40 Caller They told me it was predominant in testicular cancer.

1:27:43 Drew Yeah, it has to be a germ cell tumor. Those are the ones that produce that. The only ones I know that do that anyway. And those are testicular.

1:27:49 Adam What about some cancer? Thanks, Chris. Oh, not a problem. Appreciate that. I'm going to say something. Chris?

1:27:56 Drew He left.

1:27:57 Adam Oh, okay. I don't want to know why they threw him out of the Army. Hey, Drew, couldn't they test for other forms of cancer via, like, a urine test or urine sample?

1:28:09 Drew Different cancers produce different kinds of products. And it depends on what their cell of origin is. I mean, if they're, you know, from a cell that secretes things, and they'll secrete more of that if they start proliferating uncontrollably. And that's what cancer is. And if that then is excreted in the urine, sure, you could test for it in the urine. But not a lot of tumor cells necessarily, you know, reproducibly secrete stuff into the system.

1:28:33 Adam That we know of. Maybe one day we'll find out that we'll have the tests in place that you can find out exactly what's going on via what comes out of you. All you gotta do is go by and spit at the doctor. And then he slides that off his forehead onto a little slide, and he tells you what you're doing.

1:28:50 Drew We'll just send the urine past the sniffing dogs.

1:28:53 Adam Yeah. Oh, Todd, you're gonna like this idea.

1:28:55 Todd McCormick I've had enough of urine test guys. They've got me jumping. I, yesterday, just yesterday, nothing more humiliating than having to stand there with somebody who watched you pee. It's pretty amazing.

1:29:05 Adam Did you shiver after you peed? Because I shiver when guys watch me.

1:29:09 Todd McCormick Do you ever get that blue? Do guys watch you often?

1:29:11 Adam Yeah, you know, like when you're at the ball game or something, you have to pee at one of those troughs. Like in between a bunch of guys.

1:29:17 Todd McCormick They got these pee stations in the Amsterdam streets all over the place. It's hilarious. These little areas where you just go piss on the ground. Really? It doesn't smell too great, I'll tell you.

1:29:27 Adam Many of those in this country call it New York, right? Yeah.

1:29:31 Todd McCormick Hey, what's his name? Michael John? No.

1:29:33 Adam You know where people urinate in this country where the pee stations are? I'll tell you where the designated pee stations are. OK, behind liquor stores, but here even more so. In parking structures, above ground parking structures, you know, the stairwells that run up there?

1:29:50 Drew That's in this town. That's Los Angeles.

1:29:52 Adam There's nothing that guys like to do better than urinate in those stairwells. If you ever go, if you ever...

1:29:59 Drew Oh, you...

1:29:59 Adam And do you know what I'm talking about? I swear to God, I think guys leave their mansions and go to these places just to urinate and then come back. They rarely go number two there, but they always urinate there. And you know what I think it is? I think there's something that guys like about watching their urine sort of cascade down four or five flights of stairs.

1:30:20 Drew That's the same impulse as it causes men to spit off high places.

1:30:23 Adam Right.

1:30:24 Todd McCormick Oh yeah, do that all the time.

1:30:25 Drew It's an uncontrollable impulse.

1:30:27 Adam If one of these parking structures is seven, eight stories high and you urinate just right, you can land it all the way down at the mezzanine level.

1:30:35 Drew Oh, you've done that?

1:30:36 Adam Oh yes.

1:30:37 Drew Oh man, you're cool.

1:30:38 Adam Genius. Dion.

1:30:41 Caller Yes, hi guys.

1:30:42 Adam Hey, you're 26. What's going on?

1:30:43 Caller How you guys doing tonight? Good. Todd, I called to speak with you. First of all, I'd like to say that I admire your stance in the marijuana and hemp movement. And I think that takes a lot of balls to go out there and put yourself on the front line like that. There's a lot of us that are out there that would like to take that stance. I think that you stand up for a lot of us that don't come out. So called the closet. What I'd like to bring attention to is the elections coming up for Dennis Perrone for governor. And I think it's an opportunity for a lot of young people to, and a lot of people around the state to voice their opinion on 215 and the draconian laws like that Dan Lundgren is implementing. And it's a way to stand up in privacy and voice your opinions. And I think a lot of people should be aware of that this June 2nd, that Dennis Perrone is indeed running for governor.

1:31:40 Todd McCormick In the state of California. This is pretty much California information. Yeah, thanks a lot. I mean, more of us got to come out of the closet. I mean, I wish there was a wage peace movement, like there is a drug war movement.

1:31:52 Adam I mean, we really got to come together. What is Prop 215?

1:31:57 Todd McCormick Prop 215 is now California Law, Health and Safety Code 11362.5, which allows medically ill people or people with doctor's recommendation. Dr. Drew could give you one, for instance, and you could grow and use your own medical marijuana. It really is just trying to exempt medical patients from the drug war. I mean, even during alcohol prohibition, we never prohibited the medicinal use of alcohol. Actually, it goes even farther than that. We actually respected personal rights, and we never even prohibited the personal use or consumption of alcohol. Back during alcohol prohibition, if you wanted to grow grapes in your backyard and ferment them in your cellar, you could have table wine. Now if you want to grow some flowers in your backyard and dry them in your cellar, they'll seize your property. And this is the difference that we have. Health and Safety Code just tried to really take the people that are the weakest in society, the people with cancer, AIDS, glaucoma, MS, these types of conditions, out from the front lines and exempt them from a war on drugs. Right now, I'm being treated because I grew some pot the same way some guy running 18 kilos of heroin in a speedboat off the coast of Miami would be treated.

1:33:00 Adam Right.

1:33:00 Todd McCormick And it's wrong.

1:33:01 Adam You're saying he should be treated better?

1:33:03 Todd McCormick Yeah, damn it, no. I'm saying that there should be differences. I mean, if someone's got violence and guns and they're making billions of dollars, yeah, all right, you know, if you're the CIA, you should be stopped, is what I'm saying, you know?

1:33:14 Caller Well, the funny thing is the incredible irony that this country has that, you know, during World War II, they demanded or they at least pleaded from the farmers of this country to grow hemp for the war effort, and when it behooves them to utilize the plant for their war efforts and to their benefit, everything's fine. But as soon as they want the laws to change for whatever, you know, for the powers that be, the plastic companies, the pharmaceuticals, et cetera, then again, it becomes illegal for the average citizen to grow that. Also, I think an interesting thing that we see in rap music that it's, I believe, you know, before we saw the crack epidemic. And now, you know, we have a lot of, in rap music specifically, they're talking a lot about smoking blunts and smoking pot. And I think that's a good thing, because these people that are depressed and have a lot of anger and animosity inside them, I think it's a lot better for them to be smoking pot than smoking crack and drinking alcohol.

1:34:15 Adam I do agree, and I know Drew does, too. It tends to make people a little more docile.

1:34:19 Drew That Cypress Hill?

1:34:21 Adam Yeah.

1:34:22 Todd McCormick That kind of advocates, you know.

1:34:23 Drew But they were a pretty angry group of guys the first time we met them. We could see them selling the game about four years later.

1:34:28 Adam Yeah.

1:34:28 Drew Pussycats.

1:34:30 Todd McCormick That's funny. It's funny because certain music video stations, they will block out the pot leafs that are on the rapper's hats, the rapper's shirts and stuff. But if you want to appear with like an automatic machine gun or something, that's fine. Just slip it in your video, shoot them up, drive bys. We'll glamorize that. But if you put a little hemp leaf on that hat, you're out of here. You know, what do you guys think? You see the Elterna, the hemp ads for all over the city?

1:34:56 Caller Yeah.

1:34:57 Todd McCormick I love that.

1:34:58 Adam You mean the hemp ad for the shampoo?

1:35:00 Todd McCormick Yeah, the big old leaf staring you in the face. I just...

1:35:03 Adam Yeah. Listen, here's the deal with this society. I got about a minute here, so I'm just going to wrap it up this way. I'm interested and I think the majority of society is interested in doing what makes sense. That's all. We don't want any blankets. If a guy has got a meth lab, maybe he should be busted. If Todd McCormick has cancer and he wants to grow weed, he shouldn't be busted. I don't like laws that just blanket everybody. I really want to look at everything and it is case by case. And if it makes sense, you go. Whatever makes sense, let's do it. You know what I mean? If giving junkies clean needles stops the proliferation of AIDS, then you give them clean needles. That's it. End of discussion. We'll move on to number two. If growing hemp can be done in a way that's going to save the rain forest, then we grow hemp. Move on. Next subject. That's it. We just move ahead. I don't like people's religious ideology getting involved. I don't care what their moral ideology is. Whatever makes sense, we do it, and then we move on. And that's it. Same with gambling, same with prostitution, same with hemp. Whatever it is, if it makes sense, we go with it. We get some scholars, some non-biased scholars. We figure it out, and we just move ahead. And they certainly aren't politicians, and we'll be back.

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