Episode 1000754887845

0:55 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience. Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla, Dr. Drew.

1:05 Voiceover I'm not modeling anymore for the two of you. Loveline.

1:11 Adam Yes, it is. Phone number for Loveline, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, fax number through an 0-8-5-4-4-4-5-4-5-5. Dr. Drew is here this evening, as per usual. He's a board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, and tonight we're glad to have Art Alexakis from Everclear. Art, we haven't seen in, seems like too long, but we always enjoy him. He's one of our favorite guests, and it's good to see him tonight.

1:39 Drew How you guys doing? There you go. Hey, is that you? That's me, man. I had just, I just shot a bunch of drugs.

1:49 I mean, seconds before that. Look at the inside of the...

1:51 Drew Look at my eyes, I look so lost.

1:53 Unacceptable.

1:55 Adam Yes. Art, how many years sobriety do you have?

1:58 Drew Off of drugs, everything but alcohol, over fifteen.

2:04 Adam Wow, that's pretty good.

2:06 Drew Alcohol, about thirteen.

2:10 Adam It's got to be some kind of record, at least an indoor record.

2:13 Drew What's with the sound effects? You guys trying to be like...

2:16 Adam We're doing a more FM-type morning show.

2:20 Drew I was going to say, it reminded me of the early eighties. What's his name? The Two Hip Club? Were you living in LA then?

2:28 Adam Yes, I was.

2:28 Drew What was his name?

2:29 Adam Yeah, who was in the Two Hip Club? Oh, a Frasier Smith.

2:32 Drew A Frasier Smith.

2:33 Adam Thank you very much. That's it, man.

2:35 Drew I used to crack up.

2:36 Adam A little shout out to KALOS. Yeah.

2:40 Drew Actually, he was on K-Rock. Originally. Originally.

2:42 Adam Oh, that's right.

2:44 Drew He was on K-Rock originally.

2:45 Adam I always listen to KMET, so I wouldn't...

2:47 Drew I did too, man. I'm some rocker boy.

2:49 Adam Whatever station played the most Boston, that's the one I listened to. It was an easy decision for me. Art, are you still living up north in the Craftsman style house?

3:01 Drew Wow.

3:02 Adam Is all that going good?

3:03 Drew Well, actually, not really. I'm still living in the house, but my wife and I got a divorce.

3:09 Adam And are you all right? Is it going okay?

3:12 Drew Yeah. Well, as well as could be expected, but pretty well. We were talking about it earlier, Drew and I. You know, it's hard, but my daughter is transitioning well through it, and I am. I have an apartment here in Santa Monica.

3:27 Adam Oh, you're here in town?

3:28 Drew Yeah, but I live in Portland too, but I'm here mixing our records.

3:31 Adam Oh, good.

3:32 Drew I'm seeing a wonderful girl, and she's seeing a wonderful guy, I guess. I haven't met him, but I'm sure he's wonderful.

3:39 Adam Well, maybe you get lucky, and it's just her therapist.

3:43 Drew No, some English guy she met on the Internet.

3:45 Adam Everclear will have themselves out a couple of new CDs in the year 2002. One is coming out in March, and the other one is coming out later. How does that work?

3:58 Drew Yeah, we're doing two records. Actually, the first record, which is which is what I'm working on now, was a record that was, you remember me talking about a solo record once upon a time?

4:07 Adam Yeah, oh yeah, yes.

4:08 Drew That's what it was. It was going to be a big pop record. I put it on hold because Everclear offered all these big tours, and my buddies in the band were like, hey, let's make some money. I thought that was a good thing. So I put the album on hold, and we kept getting tours last year or earlier this year, rather. When I got back to the record to re-evaluate it, it seemed to need a little zing, a little zang. So I brought in the boys on a couple of songs, and it made more sense. So then we made it Everclear.

4:45 Adam So the first one, so they'll both be Everclear records.

4:47 Drew Yeah, but the next one is going to be a rock record, a big time rock record.

4:50 Adam And art, actually, I'm reading here as a part in a film that also has Heather Graham in it, which is a good thing. And what, are you doing some acting now?

5:03 Drew Yeah, I acted a lot as a kid. I acted more than I liked. I went to film school, you know, I wanted to...

5:09 Adam I didn't know that.

5:10 Drew Yeah, I always wanted to be a director. I had to make a decision between music and film sometime about six or seven years ago.

5:18 Adam This is the same with me in comedy. I had to make a choice between comedy and nothing. So, you know, I chose comedy, but now I'm starting to lean toward nothing.

5:26 Drew I think nothing, but think about it, nothing is a pretty cool job.

5:29 Adam Not a bad gig.

5:30 Everclear Yeah. That's your dream job.

5:35 Adam The coveted nothing gig, you go on tour to nowhere. That's great. Yeah, no, I would like that. I just have to save up a few more bucks. All right. So Art, we're glad you're here. Always. And I don't know how long it's been since you've been here, but it feels like it's been a little too long.

5:51 Drew Feels like a long, because I actually had the record for a while of the most people.

5:57 Adam Yeah.

5:57 Drew Most times on your show.

5:59 Adam Carrot Top is now beaten.

6:00 Drew I think Carrot Top is beaten. Yeah.

6:03 Adam All right. Dustin, that is Carrot Top. You're 15.

6:07 Caller Yeah.

6:07 Adam What's up?

6:09 Caller My problem is that I can pop my penis like someone can pop their fingers.

6:14 Adam Yeah. You can make it crack.

6:16 Caller Yeah.

6:16 Adam Right.

6:17 Caller And it usually happens like when I'm masturbating.

6:20 Adam Right.

6:22 I want to know, is that normal?

6:24 Everclear Yes.

6:25 Caller It is?

6:25 Adam Well, it can be done. I have done it on several occasions.

6:28 Everclear I don't know if the word normal necessarily applies to this, but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong.

6:33 Oh, okay.

6:34 Everclear It's a unique and special talent.

6:37 Drew Hey, Dustin, does it feel good?

6:39 Huh?

6:40 Drew Does it feel good? Yeah. Do it.

6:43 Adam Yeah. It feels good, but not great. It's that feeling like when you crack your knuckles. Really?

6:47 Drew Yeah.

6:48 Adam Maybe when you break light wind, not a big fart, but it is a little feeling of, there was something that needed to happen and it just happened.

6:55 Drew And then it feels, everything feels right in the world.

6:57 Yeah.

6:58 Adam About 10 seconds. All right, Dustin, you're fine.

7:01 Okay.

7:02 Adam All right. Don't do it in front of the ladies. It scares them.

7:04 Okay.

7:05 Adam All right.

7:05 Everclear Let it get some sympathy.

7:07 Adam Yeah.

7:07 Everclear Don't make them think you broke. They broke.

7:08 Drew It's broke.

7:09 Adam Yeah. The story I want to hear is the guy who can crank his penis, but like a whip, where you take the cigarette out of the chick's mouth. That kind of thing.

7:18 Drew I want to see the one who can do it without touching it, with his hands.

7:21 Adam I could do it if you let me use my foot. Neil, you're 16. What's up?

7:29 Caller Yeah. I have a question for Everclear.

7:31 Adam Well, here's one of them now.

7:32 Drew Well, there's one of us here. What's up?

7:34 Caller Hey, what's up? I'm like a big fan. I love your music. It's so great.

7:39 Drew Cool. Thanks.

7:40 Caller And I'm so nervous.

7:44 Drew Don't be nervous, man. It's the radio. It's not real.

7:46 Caller Okay. Well, your music's got me so into just alternative music. It's so great. And I have two of your records that I'm going to get by, your two other ones, and then the other one, the what is it?

8:02 The Sound of Noise.

8:04 Adam Right.

8:04 Drew World of Noise.

8:05 Adam World of Noise.

8:05 Drew Yeah. There's actually only three.

8:07 Caller Oh.

8:08 Adam You're only missing one. Yeah.

8:09 Drew You're only missing one.

8:10 Adam You buy that first one, you listen to it twice.

8:13 Caller But isn't there like two coming out next?

8:14 Drew Two are coming out. Yeah. We're going to put out two. We're going to put out kind of a different kind of sounding record for us that's going to come out in March or April. Then a real, you know, balls out rock records are going to come out probably in August. That's going to be great. Yeah. I'm really excited about both of them.

8:32 Adam All right, Neil. Hey, Adam. Yeah.

8:35 Caller I'm like a big fan of you too.

8:36 Adam All right. Well, I'm coming out with a CD too. Cool.

8:39 Caller You like my, you like my god, dude.

8:40 Adam Thank you.

8:41 Caller The Man Show, let me like just give kind of props to it.

8:44 Adam Okay. Well, thanks for giving props to The Man Show. It's like the best show on TV. Thank you.

8:49 Caller Seriously.

8:50 Adam That's what we set out to do.

8:52 Everclear Yeah. I know.

8:52 Adam I said to my partner, Jimmy, let's do the best goddamn show on TV before we got to doing it.

8:57 Everclear Speaking of Jimmy.

8:58 Adam Hmm. Oh, Jimmy will be in here tomorrow night and the next night.

9:01 Everclear He'll be sitting in for Adam.

9:03 Adam Right. I'm going to Vegas tomorrow to co-host the Billboard Awards.

9:07 Drew Been there, done that.

9:08 Adam That's right. Art and Everclear won last year. I was watching the tape and there he was. I was kind of weird because I was like, Oh yeah, Art, yeah, whoo.

9:19 Drew Everclear.

9:20 Adam And I was like, oh, wait, it's a year old. But I'm still excited because I didn't see it last year.

9:25 Drew A lot of people did, man. I got calls from people I haven't heard of. God, I didn't know you were in that band. I hated that band. I really like it now. Oh, cool.

9:35 Adam Yeah, it's it.

9:35 Drew But you know, I hate seeing that tape.

9:38 Adam Why?

9:38 Drew Because it's the evil omen of things to come, but it's actually pretty good. Because if you look at that tape, it's like my bass player, my drummer's wife are there and it flashes to them and they're like hugging each other and hugging for the camera and I'm like the lonely guy walking up there all by myself.

9:59 Adam I did notice that, yes. I did stand up with their wives or girlfriends and hug them.

10:03 Drew Everybody noticed that.

10:05 Adam No, that was in Vegas last year, right?

10:07 Drew Yeah.

10:08 Adam And where was it at? Do you remember the venue? I said, was it at the MGM?

10:13 Drew I don't know, but Garth Brooks flew.

10:16 Adam Flew in on cables. And that's some serious cable.

10:18 Drew So that was a big place.

10:19 Everclear You're going to MGM? Yeah.

10:22 Adam That's where I'm going.

10:22 Everclear Is it tomorrow or Wednesday?

10:23 Adam I'm going tomorrow. The event is Wednesday. We have to do a rehearsal tomorrow.

10:29 Drew It was in Jim.

10:30 Adam And my partner from the Man Show, Jimmy Kim will be in here tomorrow night and the next night. And Korn will be in here on Thursday night. Or I'm sorry, Wednesday night. Is that true?

10:40 Everclear Yeah.

10:41 Adam Is Korn Thursday or Wednesday night?

10:42 Everclear Wednesday.

10:43 Adam Wednesday night. All right. Marissa? You're 13.

10:47 Caller Yeah.

10:47 Adam What's up?

10:49 Caller I just wanted to say that I think you're really like great art and you're really like inspiring and you've influenced my life a lot and I have a question for you.

10:59 Drew Okay. Thanks, Marissa. What's up?

11:03 Caller I read on the Internet that you're supposed to like testify before Congress in like January or March or something and I was wondering if that was like finalized or anything.

11:13 Drew What was that?

11:14 Adam I'm going to testify in front of Congress.

11:16 Drew Well, you know what? It's really weird because no one's ever talked to me about it. I've heard rumors about it and they asked my management about it, but what it's about, actually, this is a good thing to talk about, is HR 1488. It's the deadbeat dad bill that's going before.

11:35 Everclear Let's us three of us go. You want to go?

11:38 Adam Well, they don't want us.

11:39 Everclear They want Art because they haven't approached Art either, so we'll go approach him.

11:42 Drew So we'll all go.

11:43 Adam All right. We'd like to speak out on behalf of all deadbeat dads or against them.

11:47 Everclear And you can be the example for deadbeat dad.

11:50 Adam You guys be pro. I'll be con.

11:52 Everclear Right. That'll be pro lacrosse fire.

11:54 Drew Actually, to answer your question, I will go if they ever call me about it. I did a thing called Spitfire Tour, which is a spoken word tour, and that's what I talked about.

12:06 Adam Deadbeat dads.

12:07 Drew Well, it was about this bill, basically, that it would be a federal law. It's kind of scary at first when you think about it, but right now there's no setup from a federal level to enforce child support.

12:20 Everclear People leave states, and that's that.

12:21 Drew Yeah, and it depends on what your state law is and whatever the system in that state is, which in some, California is pretty good.

12:29 Everclear So the question is, should something as important as this cut across states' rights?

12:33 Adam Sure.

12:33 Drew What it's going to do is basically, and they're going to use the IRS to do it, so it will come right out of your taxes.

12:38 Adam Well, listen, either you're a criminal or you're not. It doesn't really matter whether you're in Nevada or California. To me, I mean, you have a child, you should be paying for the child, and if you're not paying for the child, you're a criminal.

12:49 Drew You take your money away.

12:50 Adam Yeah, absolutely. Now, you're not as bad as an arsonist or a rapist, but you're still a criminal.

12:56 Everclear How else do we create forces that discourage people from doing, from having other kids?

13:01 Adam Listen, we talk to chicks all the time. They're 17 years old, they have a three-month-old infant, and it's like, where's the dad? Um, he's not too far away, and is he interested? Uh, he sees the kid a little bit. He's a really good guy, though.

13:14 Caller It's like, come on.

13:16 Drew I can beat that, man. I talk to kids all the time at my shows, you know, we'll be signing autographs, and there'll be a girl there, obviously very young, 17 to 19 or something like that. That's half my age, you know? And I'm like, where's the daddy? And she's like, well, I just saw him, actually, here for the first time in like a month or two.

13:37 Adam Right.

13:37 Drew And he said he didn't want to, and she's got her boy with her at the concert, you know? And the man doesn't want to see his own son.

13:44 Adam And they don't expect anything of the man. It's sort of like, he's a nice guy. He's just not really into me or the kid. So what am I going to do?

13:52 Everclear The only way we're going to discourage these guys from impregnating these women is if they are tagged. It's like caribou.

13:57 Adam Right.

13:58 Everclear We're going to tag them.

13:59 Drew Is Marissa still there?

14:01 Adam She's on hold. Do you want to talk to her?

14:02 Drew Well, no, I want to ask her a question. Hey, Marissa, are you there?

14:05 Caller Huh?

14:06 Drew Are you there?

14:07 Caller Yeah.

14:07 Drew This is Art. I just want to ask you a question. Did the reason you bring this up, is this something that touches you, like, is your dad around?

14:15 Caller Well, he is, but I live right outside of Washington, so if you were going, I was just going to go and see him testify.

14:20 Drew Oh, okay.

14:21 Adam She doesn't care about the subject, she just wants to see Art.

14:23 Drew Okay. All right. Well, it'll be on the Internet, I'm sure. We got a new website coming up, so.

14:29 Caller Yeah, the old one sucks.

14:30 Drew Yeah, it sucks bad. I'm sorry about that, I apologize.

14:33 Adam When's the new one going to be up?

14:34 Drew It's going to be up in about a month. It's going to be really good.

14:37 Adam Do you want to give that address out?

14:39 Drew Actually, we don't know it yet. We're trying to get the obvious one.

14:45 Adam Right.

14:45 Drew But some guy who owns like a nail polishing business owns it. Because he's a fan of the band, and he won't give it up, everclear.com.

14:55 Adam That's another thing I'd like to have art testifying in front of Congress for people buying, like somebody owns my name for the Internet stuff. People buy.

15:06 Everclear They're all bought, it's all over.

15:07 Adam They're all bought.

15:08 Drew Because you don't have to have anything connected with like, you know, smashingpupkins.com.

15:14 Adam And we got to buy it back. And what I'm doing, what I'm hell-bent on doing with the guy who owns my name because I have no interest in the Internet, I'm never going to get anything up on the Internet, is I'm going to call the guy and go, or have like one of my people call him and say, listen, Mr. Corolla has some projects coming up. He's doing quite nicely now financially. He needs this name. It's very important to us. So please name your price and let's move on. He'll pay it and let's move on. And then whatever price he names, I'll just put a note in the envelope that says, kiss my hairy ass, you jackass. Maybe I'll just like crap at it and send it to him and laugh like a hyena. Take my goddamn name to your grave, you scumbag.

15:55 Everclear Make him fly out somewhere to meet with you about it.

15:57 Adam Yeah, I love that people think that this is the spirit of entrepreneurial business or something, that you buy other people's names and then sell it back to them. That's extortion. It's not entrepreneurism.

16:10 Drew It's not just extortion. It's just so inherently wrong. It's like there's cities in the Midwest that people can sell illegally boot-legged merchandise. Hats, t-shirts with my likeness on it, the name of the band, and we don't get a dime of it.

16:31 Adam Right.

16:31 Drew And it's like because of certain very ancient local laws, they can get away with it. It's Chicago.

16:39 Everclear They can sell human sacrifice.

16:40 Adam People make the money off of you. Listen, it's no different than after a typhoon blows through some city off the coast, then the guy charging 400 bucks for a sheet of plywood. It's the same BS. If that's illegal, then buying your name and selling it back to you when you don't know the person should be illegal.

17:03 Everclear So the limits of...

17:04 Adam Hell, I could make arguments that gouging was more legal than doing this.

17:09 Everclear It's the same kind of gouging.

17:10 Adam Yeah, but at least that kind of gouging is, hey, it's just supply and demand. I mean, you want a piece of plywood and I happen to own it, but it wasn't my plywood that you took from my yard and now you're selling it back to me.

17:21 Drew That's wrong.

17:21 Adam That's what they do. They take your plywood and sell it back to you. No, I mean, when they take your name, that's what it's the equivalent of.

17:28 Drew It is exactly.

17:30 Adam Disgusting. I'd like to just give the guy just a good old-fashioned ass-kicking.

17:34 Drew I'm with you.

17:35 Adam Okay. Trailer.

17:37 Hi. Hi.

17:37 Adam 32. I hope he takes that thing to his goddamn grave though because I don't care. I wouldn't give him a nickel for it.

17:43 Drew Drew, I think we touched the nerve here.

17:44 Everclear Yeah.

17:45 Adam All right. I still got to do that scam though, right? Right? Have my people call him and offer him anything.

17:50 Everclear We'll have me with you somewhere, right?

17:52 Adam Right. Yeah. The park trailer.

17:55 Everclear But in St. Louis.

17:56 Drew Taylor.

17:56 Adam I'm sorry. My seat moves too much. It got blurry.

18:00 Drew Hi, Taylor.

18:00 Hello.

18:01 Adam Go ahead. You're 32.

18:03 Caller Yes, I am. I have a question about my relationship with my boyfriend who actually is 43. I don't have much experience with men. He has lots of experience with women.

18:18 Everclear Why don't you have much experience?

18:19 Caller Say that again.

18:20 Everclear Why is that you don't have much experience at 32?

18:22 Caller Why? I don't know. I think I've always just been into work or into school. And it's really, I haven't really had much of a libido actually until the last two years of my life.

18:37 Everclear Is there a reason for that?

18:39 Caller I don't know. It could be that I'm feeling more confident in other areas of my life.

18:42 Adam Were you married before?

18:44 Caller No, never.

18:45 Everclear Why were you feeling so insecure in other areas of your life?

18:48 Before?

18:49 Caller No, I don't think I was feeling insecure.

18:51 Everclear Well, you just said the reason you feel good now is you feel confident in other areas, meaning before you weren't.

18:56 Caller Oh, okay. I think I'm just becoming more of a woman. And I'm in love with this man.

19:06 Adam Hold on. More of a woman means dropped 80 pounds. Okay.

19:10 Caller No.

19:11 Adam Come on. Seriously. How much weight did you drop?

19:15 Caller It's not. No, I'm very svelte. People tell me I'm attractive. I don't understand either why I'm not married.

19:21 Adam How many boyfriends have you had in your life?

19:25 Caller Probably just three.

19:26 Adam Wow. 32. All right. So you met this guy. You like him.

19:31 Drew Svelte, huh?

19:32 Caller We've been dating for five months, but he has been telling me that he isn't a one woman man.

19:40 Everclear Oh, here we go. This is where I was going with you, Taylor, is why to assess whether or not we can trust your judgment in this guy. And I suspect there's some reason that you felt so crappy about yourself that you couldn't sustain a relationship. Oh boy. And now you're feeling better, but you're feeling well enough to step out and pick an abusive, unavailable guy.

20:00 Caller Well, I am wondering about this. The last guy I did date, he was a divorced and had a child and ended up not wanting to hook up with me. He dumped me because he wanted to spend more time with it.

20:13 Adam All right. So why are you picking these bad guys?

20:17 Caller Well, I mean, I have...

20:18 Adam Where's your dad? What did he do to you?

20:21 Caller No, he... my dad?

20:22 Adam Is he good to you?

20:23 Caller Oh yeah, he's very good.

20:24 Adam Did someone not make you feel good about yourself?

20:26 Caller Yes.

20:27 Adam Who was that?

20:28 Caller Oh no, I mean...

20:30 Everclear Growing up.

20:31 Caller My dad was a little unavailable at a certain point in my life because he was having some issues with work.

20:38 Adam Some issues with work? So...

20:40 Everclear Did he have to fly somewhere? Did he fly out of country or something?

20:43 Caller No, I think work was very difficult for him at one point, and according to my mom, he did suffer a depression.

20:51 Adam All right. So listen, your dad was unavailable, so you're hooking up with unavailable guys. Very easy.

20:57 Caller Well, here's the question.

20:59 Adam Yes.

21:00 Caller And I don't mean this as an insult since you're all guys, but I'm serious about this. Is it the case, though, that just some guys are just not as good as women when it comes to intimacy?

21:11 Everclear Yes, all guys.

21:12 Adam All of them.

21:12 Everclear All guys.

21:13 Adam Except for us.

21:14 Everclear All guys, but they all have a... The good guys have a capacity for it and will be happier and present with you when you lead them into it.

21:22 Adam All of them are horrible at it, but some guys have the capacity to be trained whereas others can't be broken.

21:28 Everclear Right, it's like dogs.

21:29 Adam Just like dogs. Some dogs...

21:31 Everclear Our dog still craps in the carpet.

21:32 Adam Some of them you need to take behind the woodshed and actually put down and others can be taught.

21:37 Everclear And some still crab in the carpet fairly frequently.

21:40 Adam That's right.

21:41 Caller How do I know if this guy is teachable?

21:42 Everclear He's telling you.

21:43 Adam If you like him, he's not teachable.

21:45 Caller Oh, what?

21:46 Adam That's all you need to know.

21:48 Caller If I like him, no go.

21:50 Adam Yes. If you're attracted to him, there's going to be trouble.

21:52 Everclear If you're really into him, you're really, really, really into him.

21:55 Adam You can't teach this guy anything. He's told you that he wants to be with other women.

22:01 Drew You guys have got the banner down. You guys are like, in the year I haven't been here, you guys are just, man.

22:08 Adam It's true.

22:09 Drew I was just going to say, I was trying to get a word in. Taylor, can I ask you a question? This is Art. This guy's already told you that he's not a one-woman person?

22:19 Caller Well, okay, I have to say, that was five months ago, but in the last few weeks, he's been spending all his free time with me.

22:27 Drew On his own? Wanting to? Are you guys getting along good?

22:31 Caller Yeah, we're getting along really well. He wants to know what my plans are for New Year's.

22:34 Everclear Well, there's no reason you can't date a guy like that. That's no problem. If you're just interested in companionship and an interesting guy to date, hey, that seems like a viable, reasonable choice. But you said you're totally in love with this guy. All right.

22:47 Adam Well, how about belling up to the bar and saying, listen, it's been five months. I like you. You like me. We're having sex together. And I don't feel comfortable with you seeing other people. Now, if you want to see other people, fine. But you tell me, yeah, and I'm going to end it. So if that's the case, is that how you feel, Taylor? She's scared to ask.

23:06 Caller But yeah, we are not having sex yet.

23:09 Adam Oh, boy.

23:10 Caller We're, we are.

23:12 Adam 32, five months. You're pretty tough not to crack.

23:15 Caller We're physical, but we're not having intercourse.

23:18 Adam Start putting out. He'll stop dating the other chicks.

23:20 Everclear And the guy's, the guy's hanging out.

23:22 Caller We're hanging out a lot.

23:24 Adam All right. Taylor?

23:25 Everclear I think this may be workable.

23:27 Adam All right. What about, just confront him, though. Taylor, just say to him, listen.

23:33 Everclear Here's what I want.

23:33 Adam I don't, listen, I've had this conversation with women before as a guy.

23:39 Everclear Yeah.

23:40 Drew You ever date a woman that wouldn't put out after five months ever?

23:45 Adam No.

23:45 Drew Tell the truth.

23:46 Adam If I did, I'd have her corpse. That's what I would have. I'd kill her and have sex with her corpse. I don't mind saying that on the radio. Drew knows I'll back it up.

23:55 Drew You're famous. You can get away with that, right? Sure.

23:57 Everclear You did it before we were famous. What are you talking about?

24:00 Adam I've had conversations with women that have gone like, listen, I like you and I think you like me. I don't know where we're at right now. I mean, we haven't committed. We haven't talked about it, but I'm telling you that I'm not dating anybody. You may want to date other people. If you do, tell me right now because I don't want to date somebody who's dating other people. Exactly. Most of the time, they'll say, no, I'm not. But sometimes they may go, yes, I am, and then you go, have fun.

24:30 Drew The girl I'm dating is the same situation. We had been seeing each other for two or three months. Finally, I just turned to her one night and said, do you know, I don't want to see anybody else. Do you want to see anybody else? She's like, I haven't seen anybody else since we first met. I'm like, okay, neither have I because I hadn't. It was just like-

24:48 Everclear Just confirmation.

24:49 Drew Yeah, this is what I've been feeling. We didn't want to walk over that line of saying, of commitment to earlier because people are so afraid of that. But once we did, it was-

25:00 Adam You don't have to pin them. You can say, listen, if you want to do it, fine. That's just not my style and I'm not going to participate. It doesn't have to be a threat even though it is a threat. We're going to take a little break. Artists here from Everclear and when we come back, we'll speak to Olga. Olga is 15, friend is trying to force a miscarriage by playing volleyball.

25:20 What?

25:21 Everclear Who knows? We'll see.

25:21 Adam All right. We'll get to that after this.

25:24 We're about to get funky, yo.

25:27 Caller This is Loveline, 1-800-LOVE. Want to be right back?

25:43 Caller This is Loveline on Outrageous Talk Radio 100.7 The Buzz.

25:59 Adam It's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Art Alexakis is here from Everclear. Phone number, 1-800-L-A-V-E-1-9-1. Art and his band Everclear have a couple albums coming out in 2000. They'll be released within what, a couple months of each other?

26:17 Drew About five months, six months.

26:19 Adam And one's gonna be poppier, and the other one's gonna be harder?

26:24 Drew Yeah, pretty much.

26:26 Adam And the first one that's poppier was gonna be a solo project.

26:30 Drew Yeah, but we re-did, we scrapped about three songs out of 13 songs, wrote three new songs. Actually, my drummer, Greg, has a really beautiful ukulele song on the record that's called The Honeymoon Song. He had written this little ditty for his wife when they went on their honeymoon to Kauai, and he played it for me, and he only had one little verse, and of course I'm like, that is so just simple and beautiful, we got to make that into a song, and he kept writing the choruses and verses, and we got it together and arranged it, and it came out really cool. It's a very different record for Everclear. There's a couple of rockers on it, but pretty much it's, you know, there's a lot of strings, a lot of vocals, a lot of background vocals.

27:18 Adam And this is the first record we're talking about, and then the second one.

27:22 Drew It's gonna be just guitar, noise, rock, but good songs.

27:26 Adam What is, and I don't know if this is a conscious process or not, but what about making half one record mellow and hard and then half the other one mellow and hard? Is there a strategy?

27:39 Drew I just had so many songs, you know. It was just, the solo record was gonna be something different. I wanted to do something that's got a lot more old R&B influences and stuff, and I mean, that's the stuff I grew up with. I'm 37, so I grew up with the AM Radio. There's a song called the AM Radio on that record. And so when it was a pop record, it was really trying to be different from Everclear. And but when I started finalizing the songs, it seemed like it needed them to play on it. That's what I should do right now. All right.

28:12 Adam So that'll be out 2000 everybody. Olga?

28:16 Yeah.

28:17 Adam You're 15?

28:18 Caller Yeah. First I'd like to say to Art that I met you in DC and I think you're so great. But it's kind of sad because you're coming to DC for New Year's and I can't go because it's a 21 and over show.

28:28 Drew I know. I'm really sorry. You know, we never do 21 and over shows, but we got offered ridiculous money for this New Year's thing. And so it's just like, like I've been saying, I just went through a divorce. So I've got to, I kind of got to work, you know, I got to make some money.

28:45 Adam Everyone's doing something. Every, all celebs are working on New Year's Eve because they're getting offered stupid, stupid money, except for no one's approached me or drew to do anything. That's true.

28:57 Everclear So you're stupid. Yeah.

28:58 Drew You guys could MC our show for stupid money. Yeah.

29:02 Adam All right. We'll be there. Olga will just be another person you'll miss.

29:06 Everclear We're going to we're going to testify for Congress in the morning. Then we'll go to the show in the evening.

29:10 Drew So tell us about this volleyball thing.

29:12 Caller Okay. I met my friend in September for volleyball tryouts for high school volleyball. She told me she was pregnant during like later in our relationship in like mid November. She told me that she had gotten a miscarriage in July. So like the very first time she told me she was pregnant, it was a lie. And now she thinks she's pregnant again. And I tried to like tell her to go on birth control because she liked high sex with her boyfriend like four times a week. And she refuses to go on birth control because she says, I told her to go on the pill and she says there's too many side effects.

29:49 Everclear You gotta tell her that the health risks of pregnancy are literally dozens and dozens of times more risky. Pregnancy is much more risky, maybe hundreds of times more risky than taking the pill.

30:05 Drew What about a condom?

30:07 Caller She said that the sex isn't as enjoyable with a condom.

30:10 Drew The sex isn't what?

30:11 Adam It's enjoyable.

30:13 Drew Well, you know.

30:13 Adam You may not be able to help her, Olga.

30:15 Drew She's 15 as well or 16?

30:18 Caller She's 15.

30:18 Everclear She wants to get pregnant.

30:20 Drew She wants to get pregnant.

30:21 Caller I asked her that and she says no and I go, well, since you're pregnant again, what are you gonna do? I mean, when you had the first time that you found out you had a miscarriage and like all she said was like life for bits and I mean, that's like totally wrong.

30:35 Adam See, when I'm in charge, she's gonna be on the norplant list. I will have a, I'll have numbers where you can call in and leave anonymous tips and I'll just go norplanter.

30:48 Drew Do you know what that is?

30:49 Everclear Well, actually it's gonna be called planting. You're just gonna plant her.

30:52 Adam Yeah.

30:54 Drew Yeah, but people will be a little confused if you say you're gonna go plant somebody. Yeah.

30:57 Everclear Not then, not in those days. Olga?

31:00 Adam Olga? Can you please convince her just to go by the school nurse or to plan parenthood and just have a discussion with somebody if you could.

31:10 Caller Okay.

31:11 Drew Tell her she's stupid and that you think she wants to get pregnant.

31:14 Caller That's what I told her and she like totally denies everything and I'm just...

31:19 Everclear Well, her behavior suggests something different. If she really doesn't want to, then she needs to take some measure to prevent it because she will be pregnant.

31:26 Drew Well, for you to have figured it out means you're pretty sharp, but also it seems pretty obvious that this girl isn't very happy.

31:35 Adam You know what else I'm going to do? I'm going to have a program and I'm in charge. I'm going to call it the Guardian Angel Program, which is chicks who are either virgins or husky or for one lesbian or one reason or another. They're not getting any action themselves, but they have some horny friends. I'm going to give them $35 a month as long as their friends don't get pregnant.

31:56 Everclear You're going to deputize them.

31:57 Adam I'm going to deputize them. I will not be able to get through to their friends. They're too busy getting laid and smoking weed and not listening.

32:04 Everclear Having a good time.

32:05 Adam Having a good time, not listening to the man. But if I put one of their friends on them, you know, like a pilot fish on a shark, just hovering around, getting between them and the boyfriend, and dragging them to playing parenthood.

32:19 Everclear There were programs like this in history. Let me think.

32:22 Oh, Hitler Youth.

32:23 Adam Yes.

32:23 Right.

32:24 Everclear There you go.

32:25 Adam A great example. Thank you, Drew. We never know the potential of those kids had they grown up. I'm sure many of them are working like Daimler-Benz right now anyways. Here's the point. This would be a good plan. Like you say to some chick, hey, listen, I give you 50 bucks a month. You keep Connie from getting knocked up. Now, the second she gets knocked up, you ain't gonna pay.

32:48 Drew Wait a minute. You said 35 before. You rethinking this? You feeling a little nervous about this idea?

32:52 Adam I'm bumping it up.

32:53 Drew Well, where's this money coming from?

32:55 Everclear The Debbie dads.

32:57 Adam This is the money that we would be putting in?

32:59 Drew So the kids aren't getting it. It's going to Adam.

33:02 Everclear Yeah.

33:03 Adam All right. Listen to me.

33:04 Everclear Well, they're gonna be the surcharge for being a debit dad.

33:07 Adam As soon as we stop having unwanted kids, we're gonna have such a surplus of money from the prison system, the police, we're gonna cut back on the police force, all these welfare programs, all these job programs. They'll be unnecessary because everyone will have loving parents and go off to college and pull their own weight. You understand? The prison system, the prison population will decline so dramatically that if we could just, one guy in one year not going to prison, will be able to deputize four or 500 chicks. See what I'm saying?

33:40 I'm telling you, this is gonna work.

33:42 Everclear We have to legalize Pond too to get that population down.

33:44 Drew I was gonna say, let's not get started about the prison industrial complex because it right now is one of the top growing grocers on the Wall Street Exchange.

33:58 Adam Put an end to that.

33:59 Everclear What?

33:59 Drew Yeah. Privatize prisons.

34:01 Everclear Oh, privatize prisons.

34:02 Adam They're getting into this. I'm all right with that. Joe? Yeah. Actually, here's what I'm gonna do too. I'm also gonna deputize families so want a little extra income. Have a prisoner move in with you. You put bars on the windows. You feed them. We give them an allotment. You know, let's say 500 bucks a month. You take care of the felon. If he gets out, it's your fault.

34:23 Drew You're joking, but there's European countries that do that.

34:26 Adam It's not a bad plan. I also like the plan that some of these countries in Europe do, or at least in Asia, where you gotta feed your own prisoners. Like, hey, if your husband gets tossed in, you don't feed him. He dies. You know what I'm talking about?

34:40 Everclear At least they'll bring you the food.

34:41 Drew They'll eat better, huh?

34:42 Adam Yeah. Joe?

34:43 Yeah.

34:44 Adam What's up? You're 35.

34:45 Caller Yeah, I am. How's it going?

34:47 Adam Good. And let me alert all the listeners who will hear the show on a one-day delay, that The Man Show is currently on Comedy Central.

34:55 Caller And it's a good show.

34:57 Adam Thank you.

34:57 Caller Very good show.

34:58 Adam That'll be on tonight, if you're listening a day after the show aired. Go ahead.

35:03 Caller I actually recorded it, so.

35:04 Adam Fantabulous. What's your question?

35:07 Caller Well, first off, I want to say hi to Art.

35:11 Drew Hey, Joe, what's up?

35:13 Caller Tell him that song, Father of Mine, really, really touched me and meant a lot to me, so.

35:20 Drew Cool. Well, you just told me that. That's cool.

35:22 Caller Yeah, that's...

35:24 Drew Thanks, man. You're about my age. Did you have a similar situation?

35:28 Caller Well, not really. I lost both my... Well, my parents were separated when I was young, and I lost my mom when I was nine.

35:36 Drew Why?

35:37 Caller So, uh...

35:38 Everclear What happened?

35:39 Caller Uh, she passed away.

35:40 Adam Oh, I see.

35:41 Everclear Yeah. From what?

35:42 Caller But, um, it's still the same kind of feeling, I mean, that kind of a bad feeling.

35:47 Adam Joe doesn't sweat the details.

35:49 Drew No, Joe doesn't want to talk about it. That's what it is.

35:51 Adam No, he just can't hear right. Hold on. Joe, what happened to your mother?

35:56 Caller What happened to her?

35:57 Adam Yes.

35:58 Caller She died.

35:59 Adam Okay.

35:59 All right. Now, that's...

36:02 Drew No, you don't know her.

36:03 Adam You don't know her. You don't know her. He doesn't want to talk about it. He just doesn't understand us. Hey, Joe, your mom, she died? I see. All right. I'm going to start guessing what she died of. And you just tell me whether...

36:19 Caller Well, I don't know. I guess some of the details are still kind of fuzzy. I mean, I was a kid at the time. And a lot of my family, they kind of...

36:26 Adam Oh, that's bad.

36:27 Caller They kind of covered some of it up.

36:29 Everclear What's your sense of what it was?

36:31 Drew Yeah.

36:32 Everclear What's your sense of what it was?

36:33 Drew What do you think it was?

36:34 Caller It was hospitalized for a while.

36:36 Everclear Oh.

36:36 Drew Mental problems?

36:38 Caller You know, I really don't know. I mean, I was too young at the time.

36:41 Everclear So you have no idea what you died of?

36:44 Caller No.

36:45 No.

36:45 Caller I guess I really don't.

36:46 Adam So, Joe, let me ask you this. Joe, quiet down. An anvil could have dropped out of a four-story building in Crusher, or she could have had...

36:55 Caller Heroin addict.

36:56 Adam Heroin addict, or she could have had lymph node cancer.

37:00 Caller All of the above. I don't know.

37:03 Adam All right. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Now, wait a minute.

37:06 Caller Now, why don't you leave the guy alone?

37:08 Adam No, I cannot leave this alone because his mom died.

37:12 Drew Listen.

37:13 Adam You have to.

37:14 Drew He knows how his mom died.

37:15 Caller No, I don't know if he does.

37:17 Everclear He knows how his mom died.

37:18 Adam No, Art, you're sane and you don't do this show. Those are your two big problems in life right now.

37:24 Caller You don't understand our callers.

37:25 Drew You think you talk to more crazies than I do? You're crazy.

37:28 Adam Well, that's true. You got a pretty big fan base.

37:31 Drew Well, not only that, it's like Everclear encounter group after every show, you know?

37:36 Adam Right.

37:36 Drew I mean, and it's cool. I like that to a certain extent, but it's like, the guy knows, man, come on. How could you not know how your mom died?

37:46 Adam Joe, help us for a second here. Don't tell us how your mom passed away. I'm not interested in that anymore. I want to know whether you know and you don't want to share that with us because you're uncomfortable with it, and I respect that if that's true, or you just honestly don't know.

38:04 Caller I honestly do not know. I actually went so far as to try and request the...

38:12 Adam Autopsy?...

38:12 Caller deaf record. Yeah? Yeah, because she died up in a hospital in LA, and I actually did try and request it.

38:20 Everclear What hospital, do you know?

38:25 Caller I don't remember. I went through my doctor here.

38:28 Adam Joe, how old were you at the time?

38:30 Caller I was nine.

38:31 Adam Nine?

38:32 Caller Wow.

38:32 Drew You know, I gotta tell you, even though maybe, you know, it's not the same thing, it is to a nine-year-old boy, there's a big sense of abandonment there.

38:43 Adam Oh, yeah.

38:43 Caller You know?

38:44 Caller Mom?

38:44 Drew So maybe that's one reason you connect with that song, because I gotta tell you, I mean, you know, I miss not having a dad, but it made me stronger. It made me a better dad in a lot of ways, I think.

38:55 Caller And it has for me, too.

38:56 Caller Good.

38:57 Caller I mean, that song, you know, I mean, I was so... When I heard that you were on there, I had to try and call in and get on, because I really had to express to you just how deeply that song affected and really hit home for me. I mean, it...

39:12 Adam Hey, Joe, I hate to cut you off, but we're a little pressed for time here, and I want to get to your question.

39:16 Caller Okay.

39:17 Adam So I'll just read it right off the screen. Wife has a colostomy bag, bothers her during sex. How does that work?

39:27 Caller How do you...

39:27 Everclear Let's talk about it after the break.

39:29 Caller We'll sort it all out.

39:31 Everclear We'll talk about the options for Joe.

39:34 Adam We'll hear father of mine when we come back.

39:36 Caller Great.

39:36 Everclear Now we'll talk about the colostomy bag.

39:38 Adam Joe, I'm going to guess what you do for a living.

39:41 Caller You'll never guess.

39:41 Adam Narrow it down to one of two things.

39:43 Drew Customer service.

39:44 Adam Customer service? Private detective.

39:47 Caller You're closer with the second, but...

39:49 Adam Okay, hold on.

39:50 You're a cop.

39:51 Adam Oh, please. You can't be a cop. You're not a cop, are you, Joe?

39:55 Caller Close.

39:56 Adam Oh, please. What are you?

39:59 Drew Security guard. You run a cop.

40:02 Caller No, I actually am an officer.

40:05 Adam All right, hold on a second. I can't believe that. There's a guy, a bank holdup could be going on while he was in the bank. He'd be filling out like a withdrawal slip and go right through his legs.

40:14 Drew Um, is there a possibility that maybe this is all kind of made up?

40:19 Everclear No, no, no, no, Art.

40:22 Adam I'm sorry, but you don't know our callers like we do. And we know our callers and they don't know.

40:27 Drew You know when the fake ones.

40:28 Everclear Yeah, yeah.

40:28 Adam We know when the fake ones come in. We also...

40:30 Everclear They collapse. They fall apart. This has been very consistent.

40:32 Adam The things that are unimaginable to you are reality to us.

40:35 Drew No, no, I didn't say it's unimaginable. Hey, my brother, my brother died of an overdose when I was 12. He was 21. He was a gang member and a drug dealer. And he had been shot when he was 20, 19 or 20.

40:48 Adam But you knew how he died.

40:49 Drew But he had clothed me back.

40:50 Adam Oh, really?

40:51 Drew Wow.

40:52 Adam All right.

40:52 Caller We'll talk about it.

40:53 Adam All right. I'll shed some light on that.

40:54 Drew They're fun.

40:55 Adam When we come back.

41:01 Caller Loveline will be right back. It's Loveline.

41:21 Adam I'm Adam. That's Drew for number 1-800-LOVE-191. Art Alexakis is here from Everclear. Couple of CDs coming out in 2000. So you have that to look forward to. And when we left off, we're speaking to Joe. Joe's 35, he's in security, which frightens me, and he has no idea how his mother passed away. Although she ended up in a hospital, he knows that. So could have been the anvil. That's where the smart money is going. Joe has a bigger problem than that, though. His wife has a colostomy bag, and it bothers her during sex. And Joe?

42:00 Caller Yeah.

42:01 Adam Why does she have a bag?

42:03 Caller She was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. I guess the doc would know what that is. It has to do with the bowel and with the intestines and whatnot.

42:14 Everclear It's inflammatory bowel disease, so it's awful. Yeah.

42:17 Adam Do you have to have a colostomy bag usually with that?

42:20 Everclear No. She must have had a bad flare or something like got abscess or came to the surface, right?

42:25 Caller Yeah. It was actually creating what they call a fistula.

42:29 Everclear Yeah. It's a fistula bag.

42:30 Caller So she had to have a bag.

42:32 Everclear The bowel, when it gets really inflamed, will actually try to break out like an abscess breaking to the surface.

42:36 Adam It's like a root pushing through a sidewalk.

42:39 Everclear Yeah.

42:41 Drew How long does she have to wear the bag?

42:45 Caller Basically, it is reversible, but the doctors just feel it's just easier if she just wears it.

42:51 Adam Well, listen, I don't know about a reversible bag. I just throw it out. I mean, what's ten cents? You know, get a new one. Somebody saw me?

42:58 Drew Yeah.

42:59 Adam Joe, so when you make love, you got that bag there.

43:04 Caller Yeah.

43:05 Adam And in certain positions, I'm guessing the bag sort of gets a momentum all its own, right?

43:12 Caller Well, I mean, obviously, it takes care of that before we get into bed. But I mean, it's more like psychologically, you know? Well, yeah.

43:18 Adam I mean, you don't want to look at it. But couldn't you take like a stuffed animal and prop it up against it or something? Kind of?

43:23 Caller The problem is not with me. I mean, I can, believe me, my mind is elsewhere. You know, I'm not even thinking about it. I forget all of it.

43:32 Drew It's not on the close to me bag. I think it's on the sacs.

43:34 Caller Yeah, it's not. But, you know, for her, it is.

43:37 Adam And where is the colostomy bag located exactly?

43:40 Caller It's, um, it's like just above, like, her hip right in front.

43:46 Uh-huh.

43:48 Adam So she's freaked out about it.

43:51 Drew How long has she had it?

43:52 Caller It bothers her, yeah.

43:54 Adam How long has she had it in?

43:55 Caller She's had it for a couple of years now.

43:58 Everclear Now, what do you mean by it bothers her? What does that mean?

44:01 Caller It's still just, you know, it's still just affect her. She's still very modest about it. I mean, she can't, uh, um, I mean, you know, obviously like when she's taking a shower and stuff like that, uh, she doesn't even want me to see it or, you know.

44:14 Everclear So she's ashamed.

44:15 Caller I guess, you know, I guess to an extent.

44:17 Adam How was the sex before the bag?

44:20 Caller It was pretty good. You know, I mean, it's like, yeah.

44:24 Adam Right. All right. Well, you told her, listen, I love you. I don't care about the bag. We'll keep the lights off and let's have at it. What do you think she say to that?

44:33 Caller Well, I mean, I try and do those things, but sometimes it's still, it's still, that's what I'm looking for. Is there something else that I can say, something else that I can do to convince her, you know, to help her, you know, and truly let her know because, I mean, I've done everything that I feel I could to, you know, to eat. Right.

44:51 Adam All right. Hold on. Let's open this up to the panel. Drew, I came up with an idea. How about something I call a sympathetic colostomy bag where you strap on like a dummy colostomy bag.

45:01 Drew I was actually going to say that. You do?

45:02 Everclear Sympathy, yeah.

45:04 Adam You strap one on yourself to like, hey, we're both in the same boat here. Let's get it on.

45:07 Everclear Actually, you have to take some of the stool out of hers.

45:10 Adam I do.

45:10 Everclear But yeah.

45:11 Adam So common stool?

45:12 Drew Yeah.

45:13 Everclear Or I guess you could produce your own, but it looks a little different at the back.

45:15 Adam Yeah, right. I was saying to the boys-

45:17 Drew Now you're getting into an internet kind of thing.

45:20 Adam Yeah, you're getting into-

45:21 Drew The defecation thing. Who needs that?

45:23 Adam I was telling the guys during the commercial that if she wouldn't let you get in the back door, you could just get in the bag. I mean, it's not the same thing, but it's a violation of sorts.

45:35 Caller Oh, Drew.

45:37 Adam What about the Orphus?

45:39 Everclear That's what I thought you meant.

45:39 Adam Could you get into that?

45:40 Drew Fun with poop.

45:41 Adam Could I make it into that?

45:43 Everclear Yeah, yeah.

45:43 Adam I think I could.

45:44 Everclear Yeah, yeah. Most guys could. Yeah, yeah.

45:47 Adam OK, Drew, what would you be hitting if you got in there, by the way?

45:50 Everclear Ilium. Well, it depends what they pulled up to, because sometimes...

45:53 Oh, come on.

45:54 Adam All right. Let's not go there. Drew, come on. Don't go there, man. All right. What can he say? I don't know. I think he's doing everything right. I mean, he's telling her he loves her. This is sort of her issue, and maybe she should get a little therapy.

46:05 Everclear Yep.

46:06 Adam I mean, she should go to the shrink and say, I don't feel like a woman or I don't feel complete or I don't feel whatever. And let's talk about it. I mean, as if she had a radical mastectomy or something like that, right?

46:17 Everclear Same idea.

46:18 Adam Okay.

46:18 Everclear Same idea.

46:19 Adam All right. Leanna?

46:22 Caller Hi.

46:23 Adam Hey, you're 17.

46:24 Caller I am.

46:25 Adam What's up?

46:26 Caller I wanted to say that I've listened to arts music since I was in the seventh grade, and I think it's beautiful. Thank you very much.

46:33 Caller You're a wonderful writer.

46:34 Caller Thanks.

46:36 Caller If you can ever fit it into your career, I suggest that you write a novel because, I don't know, it's like your work, man. I love you.

46:45 Adam What about that, Art? Maybe not a novel, but an artwork or something like that.

46:48 Drew Actually, I'm working on a cookbook.

46:50 Adam Really?

46:51 Drew Yeah, but it's not just a cookbook. It's like a bunch of anecdotes and travels and stuff like that.

46:56 Adam Does it mostly just involve ramping things in grape leaves?

46:59 Drew No. No, don't get racist on me. I can cook things other than Greek food.

47:04 Adam All right.

47:05 Drew But I can make a dolmas that will put you on your ass, so don't go there.

47:09 Adam All right. Seriously, you are working on a cookbook?

47:11 Drew Yeah, I have been for a long time. I put it on hold because I'm trying to do like two records this year. But yeah. Hey, thanks for saying those nice things, Leon.

47:20 Caller No problem.

47:21 Drew What's up?

47:23 Caller I love you.

47:25 Drew Thanks.

47:26 Caller When will your movie appearance? When can we expect it?

47:31 Drew It was going to come out last year or this year rather, but it got accepted into some festivals overseas including Cannes. So I think it's going to come out in the spring. I'm not really sure. It's called Committed. It's got Heather Graham. I've got a pretty good part. It started as like five or six lines and it turned into, when they found out I could really act, it turned into about a page and a half. So it was cool.

47:57 Adam Hey, Leanna. I know you have a question, but we got to go to break for the top of the hour, right?

48:02 Drew All right.

48:02 Adam So we'll get back and we'll get to your question, all right? All right, hang tight. Art's here from Everclear. We'll take a quick break. We'll get back with Leanna's question after this.

48:11 Caller Let's have some more fun.

48:12 Okay.

48:13 Caller Call Loveline.

48:15 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

48:18 Caller Loveline, we'll be right back.

48:20 Caller Well, here's how we sample.

48:48 Adam It's the Loveline, we got to take a quick 10-second timeout. We'll be back with more of the show in just 10 seconds. This is Lyman radio station. Stop it, stop Drew. Drew, you understand, we're starting the show means we're starting the show, and that's when you stop your conversation.

49:14 Drew The whole geek thing, like.

49:18 Adam All right, Alex Ox, this is here from Everclear. He's got a couple of CDs coming out in 2000, Everclear CDs, also movies, a cookbook, and coming out with a Tybo type workout tape that will be only on VHS coming up as well. So.

49:37 Drew Actually, it's only on Beta.

49:38 Adam Only on Beta. Very wise.

49:40 Drew Beta and Hi-8.

49:41 Adam My genius father made that buy. He made that call about 1981.

49:48 Drew On the Beta?

49:48 Adam We go with the Beta, he trusted his gut, he went with the Beta. That was good.

49:52 Drew I bet you still got it, and he bumps everything down to Beta. You know people like that.

49:57 Adam No, my dad would buy the stereos that had the speakers where you couldn't pull the wire out of the back of them. There was just that hole and they were like soldered, and where it came with an 8-track, a cassette, a turntable, a tuner.

50:13 Drew What more do you need?

50:14 Adam Like a squeegee, I think was also attached to it. My dad has bought some of the worst stereo equipment ever put out. They love him. He was one of those guys too. We would either go to Sears. And Sears has brand names now, but I'm talking 1981. He would stroll into Sears with that charge card. I've now realized the only charge card that could be issued to my family would be either Sears or JCPenney.

50:38 Drew But those are hard to get though.

50:39 Adam Right. You have to be able to walk into the store and order to get the Sears charge card.

50:43 Drew You don't know what you're talking about.

50:45 Adam Listen, my dad got one. It's not a coveted card. Believe me.

50:48 Drew It's one. They're both one of the hardest to get.

50:50 Everclear But then, 1979.

50:52 Adam My dad would either buy his stereo equipment at Sears or Radio Shack. Like I said, in 1981, Radio Shack just carried their own brand. So we got the Tandy Home Entertainment Stereocenter or the Sears one, which I think was just like a craftsman job or just some of the worst junk ever. You know the beauty of my dad? He doesn't know it. And so he's happier and all of us.

51:15 Drew What did he listen to? What did he like?

51:17 Adam He would probably listen to some classical and then maybe like a little Tony Bennett when he was feeling frisky.

51:24 Drew Ken Tassi?

51:25 Adam He's a jazz guy. I was talking to my dad about... He was in this band called the Baja Marimba Band for about 10 minutes.

51:35 Drew He was in the Baja Marimba Band?

51:36 Adam Yeah, he played the trumpet. It was during this whole like sort of Herb Albert, Tijuana Brass, and it was really hot, all that Tijuana taxi stuff. They were hot, the Baja Marimba Band, for a couple of minutes.

51:48 Drew They were sitting there with the... They all got chickens in their hands.

51:51 Adam Remember? He didn't make the cover. He made the touring. He made... He wasn't in the band. The band was reformed like five years later and was going to hit the road.

52:01 Drew Is he Hispanic? I thought you had to be Hispanic with a really bad mustache.

52:04 Adam No, he's Italian and they just stuck the mustache on. Once they put that Conquistador outfit on, everyone looks Mexican, right? It all made sense. All right. Leanna.

52:16 Caller Hi.

52:16 Adam You're 17?

52:18 Caller Yep.

52:20 Adam Let's see. What was the deal with you? Yeah, we didn't get your question. What was it?

52:23 Drew What's up?

52:24 Caller Well, it might seem kind of stupid.

52:26 Adam All right.

52:27 Caller I've had about four relationships in my whole life. It seems like every time, the guy will just stop talking to me all of a sudden.

52:36 Everclear After how long a period of time?

52:37 Caller A couple of months.

52:39 Adam And he just starts pulling back?

52:41 Caller Yeah. I mean, usually they're good friends of mine first. That's how it starts out. And then they'll just stop talking to me.

52:48 Drew Are you sexually active?

52:50 Caller No.

52:51 Adam Hmm. And do they want to be sexually active?

52:56 Caller Not that I know of.

52:57 All right.

52:58 Adam So you're picking these guys who all do the same thing?

53:02 Caller I guess.

53:03 Everclear That's the way to look at it, right?

53:06 Adam Well, how else can you look at it?

53:07 Drew Is there a lot of similarities?

53:08 Everclear All guys are that way. Right. Which is the way she wants to look at it.

53:11 Adam No. All guys are not that way. You find the guys who are that way.

53:16 Caller Oh, dear.

53:17 Adam Well, that's all right. The good news is, is you don't have to.

53:20 Everclear You can change that.

53:21 Adam Yeah. Listen, I know everyone thinks this is bad news. But let me tell you what the worst news is. All guys are that way. If all guys are that way, you don't stand a chance, because all guys are that way. But if you just admit you pick guys that are that way, then you can just go ahead and make a little alteration and not pick guys that are that way. These guys are unavailable some way. She's 17.

53:43 Drew Yeah, yeah. How old are the guys that she's seeing?

53:47 Adam How old are the guys, Leanna?

53:49 Caller Some have been my age.

53:50 Caller Some have been a couple years older.

53:51 Adam All right. And they pull back out of the relationship and that's it?

53:55 Caller Yeah.

53:56 Adam And it ends?

53:57 Caller Yeah.

53:57 Everclear All right.

53:58 Adam So you're picking guys that are sort of unavailable?

54:01 I guess.

54:02 Everclear Available is only to a point. And I think part of that may be going for the friend thing.

54:07 Oh.

54:07 Everclear You know what I mean?

54:08 Adam Yeah.

54:09 Everclear That's the one constant here too, is you've got friends and there's a reason that they were sort of in a friend position with you to begin with.

54:16 Adam Right.

54:16 Everclear Maybe the guys weren't that into it.

54:18 Adam All right. Leanna, we're not going to panic. And we suggest you don't panic either because you're 17 and this is how it goes.

54:25 Caller I just had one more thing if I could?

54:26 Adam Yes.

54:28 Caller Art, when your new albums come out, do you think you'll be touring again? And if you do, do you think you will play Sacramento?

54:36 Drew Well, we will definitely play Sacramento and we're going to tour on both albums late, probably next fall, like October.

54:44 Adam Perfect. Casey. Oh, Casey, sorry. You're 12 years old, Casey.

54:52 Caller I just want to know how old Art was when his father abandoned him.

54:59 Drew I was about 6 years old, 5 or 6, a little younger than my daughter now, who is 7. My dad, he was abusive to my mom more mentally than physically, but it became physical and she left him, basically, for her own sanity and for her kids.

55:21 Everclear Is he an alcoholic?

55:23 Drew No.

55:23 Everclear His mom?

55:24 Drew No.

55:25 Everclear Where did you get that gene?

55:26 Drew Stole it from my mom.

55:29 Adam Climbed the fence when I was sleeping.

55:31 Drew No, I had it for the family, but it didn't affect her. She never let it. I think if she would have let it, it would have been, she saw it in people in her family.

55:41 Adam So dad was verbally and became physically abusive, but wasn't an alcoholic. I mean, didn't abuse substances.

55:47 Everclear We're both having a hard time believing that, because your mom coming from an alcoholic family would pick an alcoholic.

55:51 Drew I believe it. Brother, I'm telling you the truth. My dad is one of those kind of guys who is not obsessive. He's got a lot of faults, believe you me. Check out the song if you don't believe me. He's the kind of guy that a pack of cigarettes would go stale on, which I just don't understand, man. If I get a pack of cigarettes, I'm smoking those things.

56:10 Adam It's funny that a guy gets, usually when guys are verbally and then get physically abusive, there's some substance there because that's when they get abusive.

56:20 Everclear That's what moves it along.

56:21 Drew Do you want to know what my dad, we're here to hear what Cassie has to say about my dad. My dad and me are very similar in a lot of ways. My dad was a big talker, big dreamer. But I guess I am too, but unlike my dad, I actually did something about what was inside of me and tried to make it real and kind of did. My dad didn't, so he had a lot of frustration there.

56:49 Everclear He's still around?

56:50 Drew He lives in Texas with his third wife, my mom being number two. And he basically left California after my mom left him. And instead of being a man and sticking around and being a father to his then five kids, before my brother died, he went back to Florida and raised someone else's kids, met a younger woman and raised her kids.

57:20 Adam It's a real common story and it's unthinkable to me.

57:24 Everclear Do you remember that driver we had in wherever the hell we were who talked about going back to Florida and seeing his kids at Christmas time?

57:30 Adam Yeah.

57:30 Everclear Remember this?

57:31 Adam Yeah.

57:31 Drew Can I say something about Florida, too?

57:33 Adam He was very casual about it.

57:34 Caller Yeah.

57:35 Drew Florida at the time when my dad did this was one of two states that you couldn't extradite for child support.

57:42 Caller Hey.

57:43 Adam Cassie?

57:44 Caller Hey, I was, I just wanted to say that I'm from Portland and I just think that you're the coolest person in the world.

57:51 Drew I think. And you okay?

57:53 Caller Yeah.

57:54 Adam Hey, I want to make a comment here. It's just something that just jumped in my head. Drew and I were talking the other day about a lot of the new music that's coming out. We've had a lot of these bands on the show. Korn, for instance, is coming up here tomorrow.

58:10 Everclear I was listening to Korn tonight on the way in here. The next night. The day after tomorrow. But Korn's actually starting to sound quaint.

58:16 Adam They're starting to sound mellow. Don't tell them that. They'll get pissed. Here's my point. A lot of the bands that are out today, they're just banging away. I mean, they're just, it's just, you know, when you're, when you're old and you're sort of sane, it just sounds like this big visceral purge, you know? And Drew was saying to me, what is this? Why are the kids going nuts for this music? And I said, they're, they're reacting to the energy is what they're doing. I'm getting around to a compliment for art, by the way, so just sit tight. They're reacting to the energy. It's not the music. It's just they're 15, they're 16, they're pissed off. They hate their parents. They hate society. They hate what the system has done to them. Here's a band who's up on stage and they're angry, more angry than they are. And they've become a mouthpiece for them. They're, they're voice in a way. And that's why they have fanatical fans. And that's what they're reacting to, not the melody, but the energy in this sort of cathartic, visceral experience that's happening out there.

59:15 Drew And, he's visceral twice, that's hot.

59:18 Adam I want to say this though, to kiss Art's ass for a second.

59:21 Caller Cool.

59:23 Adam Art has a lot of the same following, but it's in a different way, which is, I care about you, I've been there, I'm writing about my experiences, I didn't have it so great either, my dad split, my brother died, I got hooked on heroin, all this, but I'm coming from a more compassionate angle instead of a, hey, I'm pissed off and I'm taking you with me. And people are responding to his experience, which is interesting and it gives me hope for humanity.

59:55 Drew Well, thanks. But keep in mind too, that we will never sell as many records as Corrin.

1:00:01 Everclear No, it's not enough. You may be around a hell of a lot longer.

1:00:03 Drew Maybe, maybe. I don't know. I mean, you know, I've been around longer, longer than, well, yeah, we, we have, we have been. We've been around for a long time and we don't plan on going anywhere. We like what we do. But and I appreciate you saying that. But, you know, I am a lot older than those guys. I'm thirty seven years old.

1:00:21 Adam That's true.

1:00:22 Drew I like I like a good melody. Good hook.

1:00:24 Adam Well, I'm, I'm, and I'm not taking anything away from KORM because, as you know, I'm friends with those guys and they're selling a lot of records. And that's great. I'm just saying there, there's a connection to them that people are having. And then it's different when art writes a song, there's a connection that people are having to that too. And it's interesting. It's a different kind of experience. And I think we ought to just hear Father of Mine, by the way, and let, let everyone connect with that firsthand. Thank you.

1:00:51 Drew Thank you.

1:00:52 Adam All right, here it is, Father of Mine. That is off of so much for the Afterglow. That, of course, is Everclear, Father of Mine, and, well, it's a good song. You know, you don't, sometimes you're driving your car and stuff, you don't get to listen like you do when you sit in a studio. Plus, when you got the guy singing in front of you, makes you listen harder. You know what I'm saying? You rarely get that. Makes you focus more. That's true.

1:05:09 Drew That's the best way to like listen to a record, find the guy who made the record, sit him down, give him a bottle of water, and check it out. Right.

1:05:18 Adam I like the guys who, some guys come in here and will play along with themselves. They'll do like air them. You know, like drummers always do that.

1:05:28 Drew Well, that's why they're drummers, right? What do you call a guy who... A drummer. No rim shot? All right.

1:05:36 Adam Yeah, come on, Anderson.

1:05:36 Drew Slow, dude. Come on.

1:05:38 Adam Rim shot.

1:05:39 Drew Do you got it?

1:05:40 Adam Come on, man.

1:05:41 Drew There we go. Thank you.

1:05:43 Adam Hey, Anderson, let's hear some of those out of context Drew drops just because I love him so much. Come on, just drop a few of those on us. Any new ones? Any good ones?

1:05:51 Everclear He wants to groom this child for his, you know, abuse farm. I've had anal sex.

1:05:57 Adam Solid.

1:05:58 Everclear There's a wives sale out there that black males have larger penises. I'm gay, I'm doing drugs, I'm a prostitute, I'm a stripper. I've had five billion relationships. I don't know whether I'm gay or straight. Dude.

1:06:14 Adam Drew, where did you get the dude?

1:06:15 Everclear I do. Dude, it makes you not get pregnant.

1:06:19 Drew Just because we have this.

1:06:20 Caller Yeah.

1:06:22 Drew As I've been saying dude lately and I hate the word dude. I grew up in California, hated the word dude and the guys in my band had been using dude. And I've been trying to get them to stop doing it because I'm like dude, dude, dude.

1:06:36 Everclear You start using it as a parody and then you start using it.

1:06:39 Adam That's right.

1:06:40 Drew But they're like, they're like, you know, they're freaking out that I'm using it. But it has become part of my subconscious.

1:06:47 Adam The problem, the real problem I have is when guys call women dude. Dude, not even. And they're talking to some chick and I always think, wow, now that's really getting weird. You're way too liberal with your use of the dude when you're calling women dude.

1:07:03 Everclear Rob Schneider used to have a thing about how dude is like Aloha. You could use it for 500 different things. Right. Dude.

1:07:09 Drew Dude.

1:07:09 Everclear Dude.

1:07:10 Caller Dude.

1:07:12 Drew Did you see the baseballs? That's the classic one where they get into the dude conversation. They're like, dude, dude, dude. Oh man, I didn't see it that way. That's how it ends up.

1:07:23 Adam Heather.

1:07:24 Everclear I'm just keeping it real.

1:07:25 Drew Keeping it real.

1:07:26 Caller Hi.

1:07:26 Adam You're 17.

1:07:28 Caller Hi. First off, Adam and Dr. Drew, you've helped me so much with all my problems. Like I am, I listen to you every night. And are, okay.

1:07:36 Caller Thanks.

1:07:38 Caller Are my best friend, Mary and I are like your biggest fans ever. Like all of those.

1:07:42 Drew Are you in LA?

1:07:43 Caller Yeah. We're in Southern California.

1:07:45 Drew Okay. Cool. So do you guys talk to me? Is it Mary Anderson?

1:07:49 Caller Yes, it is.

1:07:50 Drew Yeah. I know her. She's one of my pen pals. She's a great girl.

1:07:55 Caller We bring your emails for you to sign them at a concert. Well, like we got up on stage with you at the Palladium.

1:08:02 Drew Yeah.

1:08:03 Caller And well, what I wanted to know is, what are your thoughts on Loser that was directed by Amy Heckerling?

1:08:11 Drew It's a movie we just performed in. I thought it was a really cool script and that's why we performed in it because we've turned that down about 150 times, realistically. I just liked the script. I thought it was cool. She's done some good movies that, you know, deal with young adults and the teen thing. And she's a good person. And she called me and asked me to do it and showed me the script and I said, yeah.

1:08:39 Adam Thanks, Heather. We'll move on to Lindsay. Oh, she's been in the hole for 100 minutes. You know what I don't like about women? They don't snore. And when guys fall asleep, we can hear them snoring through the phone.

1:09:00 Drew I know women who snore. Not my girlfriend now, but my ex-wife did. It'll be out in the book. You wait.

1:09:09 Adam Lindsay? All right, we'll put her back on hold and go to Catrina, sorry. You're 16, what's up?

1:09:18 Caller I'm calling to say I have a best friend who is a guy. And I guess I had a crush on him for a really long time, but I kind of got over it because I realized he was really immature and that we're just best friends. And then recently he and I kind of had like a sexual moment thing and I had oral sex with him.

1:09:38 Everclear He's the same guy you had the crush on.

1:09:39 Drew Yeah. Wait a minute, you gave him oral sex or he gave you oral sex?

1:09:43 Caller I gave, well it kind of went back and forth.

1:09:45 Adam Wow.

1:09:46 Drew Wow.

1:09:46 Caller How old is he? Well I don't know what it was, it was just kind of like he was supposed to like try to experiment something with me. And then it ended up going like a little too far. And the worst thing is that he had a girlfriend at the same time during that happened.

1:09:59 Adam What was the basis of the experiment? Were you in the controlled group?

1:10:03 Everclear Landing on Mars.

1:10:04 Caller I was supposed to go in, we were supposed to go in the bathroom or something and like try like he do fingering on me or whatever.

1:10:11 Everclear Sure. But how did this all come to pass?

1:10:14 Caller Because we were just experimenting I guess.

1:10:16 Everclear Were you drinking or something?

1:10:18 Caller No. It was like two o'clock in the afternoon.

1:10:20 Adam When I was 16, I got chicks to agree on, I'll go home and vomit, you go in your room and jack off and cry yourself to sleep. Alright, deal.

1:10:30 Caller Well, we were supposed to go in the bathroom and you were supposed to try to finger me in.

1:10:33 Everclear Yeah, but how did that even come up?

1:10:35 Adam Well, it was an experiment, Drew. Who are you to stand in the way?

1:10:38 Everclear You classmate just suggested you were...

1:10:41 Drew Basically you're still attracted to this boy, right?

1:10:43 Everclear Oh yeah.

1:10:44 Caller Yeah, well, yeah.

1:10:45 Drew Yeah. So I guess you didn't really get over it. Yeah.

1:10:49 Adam Alright, so you went into the bathroom and something went horribly wrong with the experiment. Bunsen burner got knocked over, there was a fire, some of the lab rats were killed, all the monkeys were going nuts in the cage.

1:11:00 Caller He was supposed to go in there and then tried to finger me. And then it ended up, he asking me, like, do you want to give me a blowjob? I'm like, okay. So then I did.

1:11:07 Drew Yes, you did.

1:11:08 Caller We led on to kissing and making out. And then after that, we were just kind of like, whoa. And we came out and we were-

1:11:15 Adam So you go, wait, hold on a second. The blowjob then, which is fine, but then it turned into kissing.

1:11:21 Drew Then it turned into whoa.

1:11:23 Caller That's, that's when they had to do it. Well, then that's when we had to-

1:11:26 Adam It's a stepping stone.

1:11:28 Caller We had to stop because first of all, he sees me like a sister and a best friend.

1:11:34 Drew Yeah, but you didn't mind getting a blowjob from him.

1:11:37 Caller Well, let's see, that's how we are. I guess we're kind of-

1:11:39 Everclear No, please, he's a dick.

1:11:41 Drew Come on.

1:11:41 Adam Thank you, Drew.

1:11:42 Drew Come on, he's a boy.

1:11:44 Caller Our relationship is sort of really close to, we didn't think it would matter if we just tried something.

1:11:48 Everclear Stop talking about we.

1:11:50 Adam Stop talking about we. You like him.

1:11:52 Caller Yeah, but-

1:11:52 Adam And he likes oral sex.

1:11:54 Everclear There you go. That's what we are into.

1:11:56 Drew Has he treated you differently since this incident?

1:11:59 Caller Now, he had a girlfriend and during that time he had a girlfriend. Like, he'd just gone out with her two days.

1:12:05 Everclear Same girlfriend?

1:12:06 Caller Yeah, this girl, another girl.

1:12:08 Drew Oh, that's a girlfriend? Two days?

1:12:11 Adam Well, now it's his girlfriend.

1:12:12 Caller No, that's what he called a girlfriend because he's, you know, one of those types of saps that like, you know, you're saying your little girlfriend type of thing.

1:12:18 Drew Asshole.

1:12:19 Adam Oh, thank you. Catarina, listen, we have to go to commercial, but listen to me, this is not a good guy.

1:12:26 Caller No, no, no, you're taking my words totally wrong.

1:12:29 Drew What's your question? Did you have a question?

1:12:31 Caller Is that we had a sexual experience on that day and we had talked about our relationship right afterwards, type of thing going on and all of a sudden that next weekend on Monday, he realized that he had done something wrong and he had a girlfriend and that he didn't want to lose me as his best friend.

1:12:44 Adam Right.

1:12:45 Caller And I'm wondering that after the experience, he seemed sort of like distant a little bit and I'm wondering if maybe that might have affected our friendship.

1:12:53 Drew Yes, it did. It's going to. It almost always does.

1:12:58 Adam Oh, you can get it back.

1:12:58 Everclear You can get it back. And by the way, the discussion about maybe-

1:13:01 Adam He has to build up more sperm and then he'll get it back.

1:13:03 Everclear The discussion about should we have a relationship was Katerina going, okay, it's time. That's it.

1:13:11 Adam Katerina.

1:13:11 Everclear He's going, back better.

1:13:13 Adam All right, let me talk, let me just give me 30 seconds to talk some sense into Katerina. Katerina, you're not that interested in a friendship with him. You really aren't. You're very interested in him. You're interested in being close to him. You're interested in being with him, but you don't care about him as a friend that much. You really don't. No, no, no. Listen to me. You like him. You have a crush on him.

1:13:33 Caller Yes, but it's not-

1:13:33 Adam Yes.

1:13:34 Caller Okay. I know this is really corny, but do you ever watch Dawson's Creek?

1:13:39 Adam If I can't watch it, I tape it. I'm going to put it on my dad's tape and I'm beta using his Tandy.

1:13:45 Caller It's a Dawson's Creek type of thing we have going on where the relationship between two people on the TV show is that they became best friends and that's what they were in the beginning.

1:13:54 Caller Disqualified!

1:13:55 Adam All right. Listen to me.

1:13:56 Everclear This is your perception, Katerina.

1:13:58 Adam Katerina, you will not admit to us that you really like this guy. All right. It is not, you're not as friendly with him as you think. You really like him. That's what the friendship is. And he doesn't really like you. So you're not really worried about losing the friendship. You're worried about losing him who you have a mad crush on. He is not interested in you that way. And therefore, you should slow down with the friendship because you're torturing yourself.

1:14:23 Everclear And guys do not convert.

1:14:25 Adam Thank you.

1:14:25 Everclear They don't become someday.

1:14:26 Adam No.

1:14:27 Everclear They don't do.

1:14:27 Adam And I missed that episode of Dawson's Creek where the guy fingered the chick in the bathroom. But if that's what's going on, I'm going to tune in.

1:14:34 Drew I just have one comment to make here. I'm not as learned as these guys, but I know what everyone who calls in is about. And I'm really impressed with that, by the way. But when I was a guy that age and I had sex with one of my friends, I would tell them that I would be distant and then tell them that I didn't want to perpetuate that because, you know, I just didn't want to lose the friendship. I said the same thing I think every guy has.

1:14:59 Adam That's right. We all go to the same BS Academy for that. We're going to take a little break. Art from Everclear is our guest and we'll be back with him and you after this.

1:15:25 Caller This is Loveline on Outrageous Talk Radio 100.7 The Buzz.

1:15:44 Adam I'm Adam, that's Drew. Art Alexakis from Everclear is our guest tonight. Always good to see Art. Feels like it's been too long, but I'm sure it won't be too long next time because when the two new CDs come out in 2000, they'll come on the show to promote each CD individually. Is that right, Art? Art's nodding his head.

1:16:05 Drew Yes, it is. Thank you very much. Is this on? Yeah.

1:16:09 Adam Absolutely. Lynn?

1:16:11 Caller Yes.

1:16:11 Adam You're 30.

1:16:13 Caller Yes.

1:16:13 Adam What's up?

1:16:15 Caller Well, first, I just have to say hello, Everclear. Thanks, Lynn. Adam, you are right about homemade cranberry sauce.

1:16:22 Caller Thank you.

1:16:23 Adam I could contribute a page of that cookbook of yours, Art.

1:16:26 Caller Well, that night you were talking about it. I was making it.

1:16:29 Adam Good girl.

1:16:30 Caller That was so funny.

1:16:31 Drew You mean, but it doesn't have the shape of the can. What are you talking about, man?

1:16:37 Adam I'm actually, though, I'm making a mold that you can...

1:16:41 Drew You call yourself white trash.

1:16:42 Adam It's corrugated like a can and you can put your fresh cranberry into it, put it in the freezer and it actually comes out shaped like a can.

1:16:50 Drew I would buy that. I'm not kidding. I would buy that. I know.

1:16:53 Adam I was telling everyone a couple days before Thanksgiving how important it was to have fresh cranberry sauce and how most people denied themselves and how it was such a white trash maneuver to open that can right before you put it in the freezer.

1:17:07 Drew It's a rite of passage, man.

1:17:08 Adam Unacceptable. Unacceptable. That was me getting very... Now, who do you know gets that passion about cranberry sauce? Who's got a cranberry tirade?

1:17:17 Drew Is that a man thing? That unacceptable thing? I get called on that all the time by my friends and my girlfriend. Unacceptable. That's unacceptable.

1:17:25 Unacceptable.

1:17:27 Drew I say that to my seven-year-old and I think she's just sitting there going, what the hell does that mean?

1:17:32 Adam That means you do not accept it. Well, if she can grow up in a world where there's no canned cranberry sauce, it'll be a good day. Lynn?

1:17:40 Caller Yes.

1:17:41 Adam Alright, so you made my cranberry sauce. Did you get the recipe I gave you over the air?

1:17:46 Caller I already knew the recipe.

1:17:47 Adam Okay, thank you. What's your question?

1:17:49 Caller Well, my question is for Dr. Drew pretty much. I was misdiagnosed for like probably fifteen years with having polycystic ovarian syndrome. About a month ago is when she pretty much came up with that diagnosis.

1:18:07 Everclear Have they been telling you, they've educated you about the insulin resistance and all those problems?

1:18:12 Caller Well, not really.

1:18:13 Everclear That PCO patients have a very high risk of developing a diabetes-like syndrome as they get older. So it's really important to maintain your weight, control your weight, and to stay at exercise.

1:18:26 Right.

1:18:27 Caller And so she put me on the birth control pill, because I had always just taken podgesterone, little tablets.

1:18:36 Everclear Because you weren't menstruating?

1:18:38 Caller No. But then I was never taking that pill either, because why bring on something like that?

1:18:45 Right.

1:18:47 Everclear So you just weren't menstruating?

1:18:48 Caller No. Which I know is not good.

1:18:51 Everclear No, it's not necessarily bad.

1:18:53 Caller So ever since starting this pill, it's like my, I'm like really aroused all the time. Is there a correlation there?

1:19:03 Caller Which pill?

1:19:04 Caller It's like ortho novum.

1:19:06 Everclear The triphasic?

1:19:07 Caller No.

1:19:07 Everclear The 1 slash 50? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's not typically the one that can do that, but any of them can. And so sure, absolutely. And it's not necessarily a bad thing.

1:19:19 Caller Well, no. But it just was really strange.

1:19:22 Everclear Yeah. That sudden, that's happened. That's the pill.

1:19:26 Adam All right. Something makes you horny. Fine. And your boobs get big. Paul?

1:19:32 Yes.

1:19:32 Adam You're 25?

1:19:33 Caller Yes, sir.

1:19:34 Adam What's up?

1:19:36 Caller Well, I just, I just sort of found some stuff out about my family. I thought maybe it's related to how I just can't be with normal girls. I totally do want them, but. Yeah. I'm a girl likes me. I just forget about it.

1:19:49 Everclear What did you find out about your family?

1:19:52 Caller Well, my little brother was just confiding me the other day when I confided to him that I'm getting frustrated. All I do is get with hookers and trashy girls. And he was like, yeah, I'm the same way. Because when I was a kid, our older brother used to like, like make him take down his pants and help him masturbate. And our older brother would like nut on his chest. Yeah. And then I found out stuff like my nephew got on his chest. So I call Child Protective Services. Hopefully taking care of that. And so I tell my mom and my brother, you know, the father, and their reaction was the same. Like, oh, well, maybe, you know, his mother's boyfriend. Well, maybe they're just playing a game when they're tickling the balls. I'm like, man, that's not a game.

1:20:38 Drew It's not a game.

1:20:39 Adam Well, hold on a second.

1:20:40 Everclear This is not acceptable.

1:20:42 Adam Thank you, Drew. Your older brother's how old now?

1:20:47 Caller 31.

1:20:48 Adam So he's six years older than you. And your younger brother's how old?

1:20:52 Caller 24, or 23.

1:20:54 Adam Okay. And did your older brother do anything to you?

1:20:58 Caller I don't know. It's like I have a weird... I can't remember anything specifically, but...

1:21:02 Everclear He was in that house, the mom who says they're playing games. Yeah.

1:21:06 Adam Now, this is the mom of all three sons, right?

1:21:10 Caller I confronted my mom. I'm like, mom, where would you get that idea that something happened to your family? She says, no, no. Oh, totally overreacting. Then I finally got out of her. She's like, well, I suppose we play little games when we were kids. I was like, like what? Well, when we were all kids, my mom and my two aunties are in the bathtub, and my oldest auntie makes my mom and my other auntie lick.

1:21:32 Drew Oh, my goodness. That's a game.

1:21:36 Adam We used to just play a Stratego. But that was my family.

1:21:41 Drew Battleship.

1:21:42 Adam I'm not going to judge your family. Whatever family night is, is whatever family night is, the point is the family is together.

1:21:48 Everclear Paul really is a Thomas Mann poet, isn't he?

1:21:51 Adam Where'd you go to finishing school, Paul?

1:21:53 Caller What's that?

1:21:53 Adam All right, now listen.

1:21:56 Drew Jesus Christ.

1:21:58 Adam Hold on, you don't have to, we're allowed to say that, aren't we?

1:22:02 Caller I don't care.

1:22:03 Adam Don't make up, no, not you, you idiot. We know we're not offending your delicate sensibilities. Please.

1:22:10 Caller Don't worry about it, Anderson.

1:22:11 Adam Don't worry about it, Anderson.

1:22:12 Caller It's fine, it's fine.

1:22:13 Adam Bad context.

1:22:13 Caller It's not one of the seven words.

1:22:15 Adam It isn't? I think it is.

1:22:16 Drew No, it isn't.

1:22:18 Adam Oh yeah, I think it might be.

1:22:19 Everclear The C word is, but.

1:22:21 Adam Okay, look into that.

1:22:22 Drew And well, it should be.

1:22:23 Adam Paul?

1:22:24 Caller Yeah.

1:22:25 Adam Now listen to me. Let me just make sure we're all on the same page here. You have, you're the middle child. You have two brothers.

1:22:34 Caller No, I'm the third of four.

1:22:36 Adam Okay, you're the third of four. And you have a couple younger brothers then. And your mom and dad, where's your dad?

1:22:45 Caller He lives overseas with my stepmom.

1:22:47 Adam Okay, and when did he move away from the family?

1:22:51 Caller When I moved out of his house in eighth grade to live with my mom in California. They all moved overseas.

1:22:59 Adam When did he move away from the family, your mother?

1:23:03 Drew When did he get divorced from you?

1:23:04 Caller My mom left, left him with me and my little brother when I was like three.

1:23:09 Adam Okay, when you were three is when they broke up?

1:23:11 Caller Yeah, divorced.

1:23:12 Adam Okay, you know why they got divorced?

1:23:14 Caller Well, I never really found out.

1:23:15 Adam Okay, what kind of guy is he?

1:23:18 Caller He's great, he's cool, but I don't know, he does still, like the other thing I was kind of like, we're like all in our twenties and he still likes to tickle our butts.

1:23:30 Adam No, no, this is a bogus call. Yeah, I thought so. Alright, sorry Paul.

1:23:34 Caller Hey, it's not bogus.

1:23:35 Adam Sorry.

1:23:36 Caller This isn't bogus, dude.

1:23:37 Adam Listen, your dad does not tickle your butt at 25 years old.

1:23:41 Everclear You wouldn't say it like that.

1:23:42 Caller He tickles our butts.

1:23:43 Adam No.

1:23:44 Caller Yes, dude.

1:23:46 Adam Which cheek?

1:23:47 Caller Either one.

1:23:48 Adam Either cheek?

1:23:49 Caller Yeah.

1:23:50 Adam Okay.

1:23:50 Everclear Alright, so what's the question?

1:23:53 Caller I don't know. The question is, like maybe my older brother got molested and messed with the rest of us.

1:23:58 Everclear Yeah, yes, that's what happened.

1:24:00 Adam Alright, so how about dating some non-hookers for a while?

1:24:03 Caller That's what I want to do, but I'm kind of curious about my brother and who maybe might have molested.

1:24:08 Everclear Will you call Child Protective Services, let them handle that?

1:24:11 Adam Well, why? He said they're all adults now.

1:24:13 Everclear Yeah, there's no statute on child abuse.

1:24:17 Caller Oh, I don't care. I just want to know.

1:24:18 Everclear I understand. They'll figure it out. You don't figure it out. Let them turn it over to them. Let them figure it out. No.

1:24:24 Drew Tell them your suspicions.

1:24:26 Adam Alright.

1:24:27 Everclear He already called them in. He called them in.

1:24:28 Adam Alright, but don't say busted a nut on his chest and try not to work.

1:24:35 Drew See, I was thinking that the whole time, man. You guys were like, of course, I wasn't going to say anything.

1:24:40 Caller Well, he was, he was, he was sort of walking the line.

1:24:44 Everclear Deliberate enough that I still even now almost believe him.

1:24:47 Drew Because the guy I didn't believe before actually started making a lot of sense that when we got back on the show.

1:24:52 Adam Oh, yes.

1:24:52 Drew I was wrong and you were right. See, I'm big enough to admit that.

1:24:55 Adam Thank you. And I'm, I'm big, I'm big enough to accept it. Jennifer. I love that.

1:25:04 Drew He's good, man.

1:25:05 Adam Jennifer, you're 15.

1:25:07 Caller Yep.

1:25:07 Adam What's up?

1:25:08 Caller Okay, me and my, my friend Silvano, where she has her favorite band and it's Bush, you know. So I heard this thing that Art didn't like, Gavin Rosedale.

1:25:18 Caller Am I right?

1:25:19 Adam Do you not like Gavin from Bush?

1:25:21 Drew Don't know him.

1:25:22 Caller Is that right?

1:25:23 Adam He doesn't-

1:25:24 Drew I don't know him.

1:25:26 Adam Oh, who cares?

1:25:27 Drew I don't know. Is that what you're calling about?

1:25:29 Caller No, no, no. That's just part of it.

1:25:31 Drew All right.

1:25:31 Adam We'll get to the good part.

1:25:33 Caller Anyway, so my friend was like, there's this really dumb thing about a stupid who can make a taco tongue, you know, with your tongue, make it into a taco shell. And so she had this bet. She's like, well, since my favorite band's Everclear, I bet you that art can't do it or something. And then so she's like, well, I know Gavin can do it, but can art do it? So I was like, well, no, I should find out.

1:25:54 Adam Good question.

1:25:55 Caller That's my question. Can I do the taco tongue?

1:25:57 Adam All right. We're going to see. Yes, he can do the taco tongue. He does the taco tongue quite nicely. And let me tell you something about my partner, Drew, that I learned when we're on the road. And I got drunk and I went to his room. He doesn't do the taco tongue. He does the hot dog bun tongue. It just depends what goes in it. It's different. It's almost the same shape. It's just whether you put the ground beef or the hot dog in there. Drew, come on, do that hot dog bun. Come on, just like I told you. And this time you got to do it without me. Come on.

1:26:30 Everclear How can I do it without you?

1:26:32 Adam No template.

1:26:33 Drew And how do you know Gavin from Bush can do a taco tongue? Why are you so certain of that?

1:26:38 Caller We got to go to what we do.

1:26:40 Adam How do you know he can do that, Jennifer?

1:26:42 Caller Like the greatest fan. He's like fifth grade. He's been the greatest fan of Gavin Rosedale and Bush.

1:26:48 Drew So you know he can do that?

1:26:50 Caller I was like, well, I'll ask my idol if he could do it.

1:26:53 Drew So you know that Gavin can do that? That's like, he's talked about that in magazines or...

1:26:59 Caller I'm taking her word for it because I don't follow Bush.

1:27:02 Everclear She knows everything. She knows everything about Bush.

1:27:04 Adam Here's the point. Art can do... He's got twice the taco that Gavin does. Understand?

1:27:09 Caller Yes. I always hope that.

1:27:11 Adam All right.

1:27:12 Drew You know, I'm not one of those pretty guys. I'm kind of a man's man. You know what I'm saying?

1:27:15 Adam He... Art almost has a taquito tongue. It's that... It ramps that far around. It's not just the taco shell, which is sort of the U shape. It's the taquito.

1:27:26 Drew Yeah.

1:27:27 Caller It will fold all the way around.

1:27:28 Drew The edges are touching. You know what I'm saying?

1:27:30 Adam That's right.

1:27:31 Drew That's where we're going.

1:27:32 Adam Probably shoot something out of there at death velocity speed. So, Drew, you want to do the... During the commercial, you want to do the hot dog bond trick?

1:27:41 Everclear Let's go to the bathroom and see if we can do it.

1:27:42 Adam Okay. But listen, let me tell you something this time. What?

1:27:45 Everclear But no kissing afterwards.

1:27:46 Adam No kissing afterwards. And don't try to talk this time, all right?

1:27:51 Everclear I thought you liked that.

1:27:52 Caller What? What? What?

1:27:53 Adam I like to talk on the phone before I come over, but not when we're actually doing the demonstration. All right. Talk of tongue art from Everclear is here and we'll be back after this. Hey, it is Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, Dr. Drew, our Alex Noctis is here from Everclear, got himself a CD that's coming out, two of them actually, in 2000, so you can look forward to that, and then a tour to follow. And tonight, he's here just plugging the cookbook. Now actually, I'm just plugging. Why is Art here?

1:28:54 Drew I'm plugging away.

1:28:55 Adam General plugage.

1:28:56 Drew You guys asked me to come. Oh, we did? Yeah, I said yeah. You guys have asked me a lot in the last year, actually a few times, but I've been busy.

1:29:04 Adam I understand, brother.

1:29:05 Drew You know, life, going through life changes, you know what I'm saying?

1:29:08 Adam I understand. You're a very important man.

1:29:10 Drew I was just going to say something earlier, you know, Gavin Rossdale is really, really pretty and very good-looking, and I'm kind of a plain, you know, man's man. That's why I can do the taco tongue, and because you know what I'm saying, Adam, we got to try harder, right?

1:29:24 Adam Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. It's why handicapped people make better employees. They have to, they have something to overcome.

1:29:31 Drew They work hard.

1:29:32 Adam Life did not deal them a good hand, so they show up earlier and they stay later.

1:29:36 Drew She works hard for the money.

1:29:37 Adam You look like art, you got to be able to do something with your tongue.

1:29:40 Drew Amen.

1:29:41 Adam So, a lady's got to have a reason to come around.

1:29:44 Drew That's right.

1:29:44 Adam And it's the taco tongue.

1:29:46 Drew Amen.

1:29:47 Adam Whatever it takes. Greg?

1:29:48 Drew That's right.

1:29:49 Adam You're 16. What's up?

1:29:52 Caller I just wanted to say that Everclear, I mean Arthur, God, I'm like a really, really big fan of you guys. And Adam, you really like, I like the way your verbal Abuse. Comedy or whatever is very entertaining during the Loveline.

1:30:13 Adam Thank you very much.

1:30:14 Caller So, okay, my question. I went on chat for a little while and I met up with this girl or it now and about six months into the relationship, we were, one day we were talking about her past or something, her past and she, after saying, talking about Abuse or something, she-

1:30:40 Everclear I'm not going to stop this Adam.

1:30:41 Adam Stop it you idiot.

1:30:42 Everclear God damn it.

1:30:43 Adam God damn it, I can hear it.

1:30:45 Everclear You won't hear it, I'm doodling.

1:30:46 Adam I'm listening to it.

1:30:48 Everclear This is absurd, I can't doodle the way I wish to doodle, lest His Royal Highness be disturbed.

1:30:52 Adam You doodle quietly, you idiot. I will doodle quietly.

1:30:55 Drew It's killing me too.

1:30:56 Adam Anderson can hear it over there and he's not even interested in it. He's listening to a like estate over there.

1:31:00 Drew I can't hear it.

1:31:01 Caller Usually she notes with no Sharpies, do not use a Sharpie.

1:31:04 Everclear Wait a minute, can you tell what I'm doing?

1:31:06 Adam Oh, all right, everyone quiet down. Oh, you've got a press now, you idiot.

1:31:12 Everclear No, that's what I was doing.

1:31:13 Caller I was giving you the Death Star earlier, you didn't even see it.

1:31:15 Everclear No. All right, well I'll do it so you can't hear it. Throw my mic.

1:31:20 Adam As of aggressive.

1:31:21 Drew I can't hear a thing.

1:31:22 Adam Blame the engineer because you can't sit still. Sorry, Greg, I'm sorry Drew had to have that outburst.

1:31:28 Drew So Greg, you've been, you've had a relationship for six months.

1:31:32 Caller Yeah, and then we were talking about her past and things, and then she just told me that she was a hermaphrodite.

1:31:40 Drew Have you ever met this person in, in the flesh?

1:31:42 Caller No.

1:31:43 Drew Okay.

1:31:44 Adam What is, have you, have you spoken over the phone though?

1:31:47 Caller Yeah.

1:31:48 Adam Okay. What do they sound like?

1:31:51 Caller Well, she sounds like, er, it sounds like a normal.

1:31:53 Everclear Well, now wait a minute, Greg.

1:31:54 Drew Don't, don't go.

1:31:55 Everclear What do you mean an it?

1:31:56 Adam It's not an it, it's a them.

1:31:58 Caller Them.

1:31:59 Everclear What does she mean by hermaphrodite?

1:32:02 Caller What?

1:32:03 Everclear What does she mean by hermaphrodite?

1:32:05 Caller Well, she has both genitals.

1:32:07 Everclear No, she doesn't.

1:32:08 Caller What do you, what do you mean, no, she doesn't?

1:32:10 Everclear She doesn't.

1:32:10 Adam She doesn't have a penis and a snitchina?

1:32:14 Everclear No. She doesn't.

1:32:16 Adam No. So what, er, yeah, she's got one. Well, if it's a she, then she's just got the second one, right?

1:32:24 Everclear Now, what is it she tells you she has?

1:32:26 Caller Oh, well, she just, she just tells me that, well, she doesn't really get deep into that, but she just, she, she tells me that she's like a normal, a normal person, is just that.

1:32:36 Everclear Right. She has something probably called testicular feminization, which is that she has testes that make testosterone to which her body doesn't respond. So she turns into a female, but she's a infertile female.

1:32:51 Adam Okay. But how does that work? I mean, do they, how far do they let you go with that? Don't they discover that when you're a child?

1:32:59 Everclear Yeah, but then they can do it.

1:32:59 Adam They can't make a move?

1:33:01 Everclear No.

1:33:01 Adam So what do you, what are you essentially? You're a female with testicles?

1:33:04 Everclear You're an infertile female.

1:33:06 Adam An infertile female. And what do you have for testicles?

1:33:08 Everclear You have testicles. Well, they don't go, they don't see them, they don't appear.

1:33:12 Drew But she has a vagina as well?

1:33:13 Everclear Yes.

1:33:14 Adam You have a vagina.

1:33:15 Drew But what about the ones with the penis? Is that, does, how?

1:33:18 Everclear No, you can have ambiguous genitalia, which is where it's a male or a female, but they might still have a little vagina or have a vagina with, you know, it would be a female with a vagina and something looks like a penis, it's a partially developed, they can correct all that.

1:33:32 Adam They'll discover that and work on that early, right?

1:33:34 Drew Early, early.

1:33:35 Adam And you'll never see fully developed penis and fully, fully developed vagina?

1:33:39 Everclear You won't see testes, I mean, it just doesn't have, and I suppose it can't, but testes and ovaries. That is rare.

1:33:45 Adam All right, so if she has testes, they're not hanging down.

1:33:49 Everclear No.

1:33:49 Adam They're up in her and they haven't descended.

1:33:51 Everclear And all the cells in her body lack the capacity to respond to testosterone. So she might as well have none in her system, and she converts over to female.

1:34:01 Drew They can't take them out?

1:34:03 Adam They don't need to.

1:34:04 Drew They don't need to.

1:34:04 Adam You couldn't tell by looking at her?

1:34:06 Everclear No, they actually look more female. They tend to be like, they look very sort of extra female.

1:34:11 Adam I like that. Yeah. I'm going to get me one of those testy bitches.

1:34:15 Drew Check it out.

1:34:15 Adam All right, where are we? Jessica?

1:34:19 Caller Yes.

1:34:19 Adam You're 14? What's going on?

1:34:22 Caller No, no, I'm sorry.

1:34:23 Adam Oh, I'm sorry you're 18. That was my fault.

1:34:25 Caller Yeah. What's up?

1:34:27 Caller Yeah, I've been going out with this guy for like over a year and a half, and along the way, there's been like three different guys that have approached me. Like two of them happened when I was drunk, and I would just, they would be flirting with me, and they'd like try to kiss me, and I wouldn't like try to like not have them do that. I would just go along with it.

1:34:52 Adam Right.

1:34:52 Caller And I'm like really in love with my boyfriend, and I don't know why I'm doing this, because like right after like I do that, I'm just thinking about my boyfriend.

1:35:03 Adam All right. You're all right. You're 18. You have a few drunks, and you're a little bit of a flirt, and you kind of like the attention.

1:35:08 Caller Yeah.

1:35:08 Adam That's what you do when you're 18.

1:35:10 Caller Yeah.

1:35:11 Adam You're not sleeping with the guys. You're in love with your boyfriend.

1:35:15 Caller Yeah.

1:35:16 Adam Okay. Don't beat yourself up too much about it.

1:35:19 Drew Do you think you're not getting enough attention from your boyfriend?

1:35:22 Caller Well, no. It's just that I think there's like a problem that I just like need attention like constantly or something like that.

1:35:30 Adam All right. You're going to end up turning your boyfriend away if you keep going after him.

1:35:34 Caller I don't think so, because like we're like best friends. We tell each other every, I mean, I've even told him about the guy thing and that's a little attempt to really upset about it. But most of the time, I mean, I told him I was drunk and how like I really, really did not want to do that. And he's he's been upset about it, but we've gotten through that.

1:35:56 Adam I'm wondering if you're doing a little sabotage on the relationship there, Jessica, think about your motivation for telling him all about it.

1:36:03 Drew Why would you tell him about that?

1:36:05 Caller The reason I told him is because we tell each other everything. Call it a guilt trip.

1:36:10 Adam Unacceptable.

1:36:12 Everclear Not acceptable.

1:36:12 Drew Unacceptable.

1:36:13 Adam No, you tell him, there's a reason you tell yourself you tell him, and then there's the real reason. Think about that for a second.

1:36:20 Everclear And start making choices.

1:36:21 Adam Think about why you would kiss these guys and then tell.

1:36:24 Caller Well, the reason, well, they started kissing me and I... Okay.

1:36:28 Drew Yeah, come on.

1:36:28 Everclear That's the reason it happened.

1:36:29 Adam You know, in that case, the good thing they didn't stand on a chair and put their penis in your mouth, because what choice would you have had? All right. I'll actually, if I'm at a party, I'll try that maneuver, but I'll dip it in a little ranch before. Just, I'll call the celery stick.

1:36:44 Caller Unacceptable.

1:36:45 Adam All right. We'll take a break. We'll be back.

1:36:52 Caller We'll be right back with more.

1:36:57 Adam Well, now.

1:36:59 Caller The stuff expressed on Loveline is not necessarily the stuff of the staff, management, sponsors, or anyone else. Including Westwood One Entertainment, Loveline is produced by Ann Wilkins-Engold. Now, please enjoy these birds.

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