Episode 1000754887650

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0:55 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content. Listener discretion advised. Now, here's Loveline. 1-800-LOVE-191 with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla.

1:06 Voiceover What are you insane?

1:17 Adam Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane's Addiction, not in that order. And has broken off, doing his own thing now, and many different things. Has a website out, is publishing a book, is doing a solo project. And the book, which is something we talked about when Dave did the TV show a couple of weeks back, is a really interesting premise for a book. And one that I like personally because I like pictures in a book. Pictures are good to have. I go to, you know, when I pick up a book, the first thing I do is I look at the edge of it. And if I see white all the way through, I put it back down again. That's the Bible to me. Maybe a phone book. But when I see that nice little patch of gray, you know, that little eight things, three sixteens, I go right to that patch.

2:05 Dave Navarro This is all gray.

2:06 Adam And there's nothing better than a caption under a picture. I don't need even much more than that. It's worth a thousand words, as they said. And let me tell you about Dave's idea or book, and you've stopped me if I screw this up, but Dave put an old fashioned style picture machine, like the ones they used to have at the Five and Dime, or still do have actually, but yours was sort of an older thing.

2:34 Dave Navarro 1960s.

2:35 Adam And anyone who came into Dave's house had to sit down and take a picture. That's the rule.

2:40 Dave Navarro Over the course of a year, yeah.

2:42 Adam And was it over the course of 365 days? I mean, did you keep it to a tight ear?

2:48 Dave Navarro Literal year. It's 12 chapters. Each chapter is a month.

2:54 Adam And I guess it's sort of chronologically in order, first one to the last one. And some days, might there have been 10 pictures, and some days no pictures?

3:03 Dave Navarro There's months that there's nobody in them. Literally no one came over that month.

3:08 Adam That's a fascinating chapter, that month.

3:10 Dave Navarro It's a really good month.

3:12 Adam And other ones were maybe through a party or whatever, and there's a bunch of people over.

3:17 Dave Navarro Yeah, there's some dark times captured, there's some good times captured, you know. What's interesting about it is I was able to document the people in my life, whether they stayed or went. Where they come and go. Right. And so, like, you'll see the same faces for three months and then all of a sudden they're gone. Right.

3:35 Adam And everybody, I think Dave said there was even like a sign posted or something on his door that basically said that if you cross this threshold, You're getting a picture. You're getting a picture taken of you.

3:46 Dave Navarro Yeah. Well, there was also hidden video cameras all over the house.

3:49 Adam No, really?

3:50 Dave Navarro VCRs and clocks.

3:51 Adam Well, it's like a Chuck Berry kind of thing.

3:53 Dave Navarro Yeah, some of that's on the Internet side too.

3:56 Adam So basically, you go, you go, it's like walking into a bank at that point, then, if you go into Dave's house.

4:02 Dave Navarro And it was paranoia in the name of art, basically.

4:05 Adam How many pictures of you are there in this book?

4:09 Dave Navarro There's only two, and that's when I appear with someone who came over. Like Angeline came over.

4:15 Adam Right.

4:15 Dave Navarro From the billboards, and I had to get in the booth with Angeline.

4:18 Adam Sure. Oh, yeah.

4:19 Dave Navarro And same thing went with Kurt Loder.

4:22 Adam It's a wonder you could fit her, you and her tits, in there, if I'm allowed to say that on the radio.

4:28 Dave Navarro You are.

4:28 Adam Thank you.

4:29 Dave Navarro I approve.

4:29 Adam So now, because I haven't seen the book, and it's not been released yet, correct? When will it be released, by the way?

4:36 Dave Navarro It'll be out early next year to follow the record I'm doing, that'll be out on Sony. And I wrote the book with Neil Strauss, who did the Marilyn Manson book.

4:45 Adam Right.

4:45 Dave Navarro So I don't know what that has to do with anything other than he wrote it, but it'll be out, you know, February, March.

4:51 Adam And so will each picture have a date, a time, and maybe a little synopsis about what the hell was going on at that particular time?

5:01 Dave Navarro Some of them will, some of them won't. There's some faces, frankly, I don't know who they are.

5:05 Adam Right.

5:06 Dave Navarro You know, so the ones I can remember will, for instance, the Angeline chapter is all about the day she came over.

5:12 Adam Why did she come over, by the way?

5:13 Dave Navarro Because I looked at that number on the billboard and said, wow, I got to have her over. And I called her manager, her manager came over first to survey the house to make sure it was safe. Like the president was coming over. It was insane.

5:26 Adam All right.

5:27 Dave Navarro He became more of the character than she was.

5:29 Adam Like block the street off, put snipers on the roof of the Jason buildings and Angeline came by. And Angeline probably just came by because there was a camera, right?

5:39 Dave Navarro It actually took some coercing, believe it or not.

5:41 Adam And did you explain to her and her manager who you were and were they hip to you?

5:47 Dave Navarro They didn't care.

5:48 Adam They just didn't care?

5:48 Dave Navarro No, it didn't matter.

5:49 Adam It was just...

5:50 Dave Navarro Was I willing to pay the fee, basically?

5:53 Adam Did you pay the fee?

5:54 Dave Navarro Oh, yeah.

5:55 Adam How much is the fee for Angeline?

5:57 Dave Navarro The fee for Angeline, well, I'm not at liberty to say, but it was relatively, it was good for her.

6:03 Adam Oh, it was?

6:05 Dave Navarro And it was good for me too because I got what I wanted, you know? And I got a hell of a story out of it.

6:10 Adam So, in a sense, she's almost sort of on the, you know, cocktail circuit. I mean, she's such a novelty that you mean like if you had a few bucks and you were throwing a party, you'd just pay Angeline a few bucks and she'd show up at the party and be sort of a novelty, right?

6:24 Dave Navarro You would think, but she's kind of smarter than that. And that's why her manager came over to my house to check it out and see if it was a good thing for her. She's actually turned down stuff like the cover of Playboy and films and her thinking is she'd rather have people want her than to have had her.

6:39 Adam Well, people who are listening to the show from different parts of the country who may not know who Angeline is, and I'm guessing they don't know in certain parts of this country. Angeline is this strange actress who has a tremendous size brass who is on billboards all over this city, who has been on billboards all over this city for many, many years, who can be seen tooling up and down Hollywood in a pink corvette, who is a bit of a, well, a character that could only really exist in Hollywood. No one has really seen her in movies. You wouldn't really call her an actress, although that's what she would probably call herself, but she's a little bit of a character. I'm trying to think of who to compare her to.

7:29 Dave Navarro She kind of personifies pop culture in a way.

7:32 Adam And what is she? Is she in her 40s or 50s now?

7:34 Dave Navarro I don't even know. She looks great.

7:36 Drew I wonder if she's still alive. They just had some sort of automated thing. They propped her up in front of the picture or something. Well, I tend to look the same for 45 years.

7:42 Adam I tend to think she's going to be like Lassie, which is when she kicks off, they're going to get someone else to step in. I don't think people would question it too much if another busty blonde just sort of slid into the pink corvette. Anyway, so should we give out your website, by the way? If people want to.

7:58 Drew You need to go see it.

7:59 Adam I do.

8:00 Drew You need to show it to them because it got the pictures of Angeline and stuff and pictures other people have sent in from all over the country of their own photographic experiences in these little booths.

8:08 Adam Well, you can check out Angeline and other celebrities at www.6767.com and you can watch Dave and me on drew.com.

8:19 Drew Oh, you can.

8:20 Adam All right. Well, we got a lot to do in the next commercial break. Timothy.

8:25 Yes.

8:26 Adam You're 18.

8:27 Caller Yes. What's up? I just had, I actually I had a couple of questions. I said my main one was concerned about anal sex. All right. Just like the dangers of it, all that kind of stuff. Because I'm gay. And another thing I had a question about, I don't know if you guys can help me with this, but I had a problem with my parents not giving me like their information about their income for my financial aid because they kind of cut me off. And I was wondering if you guys knew anything about that kind of thing.

8:54 Dave Navarro Well, it's kind of like they're giving you anal sex there, too, huh? It kind of ties in.

8:58 Adam You're getting it literally and figuratively.

9:02 Caller Yeah.

9:03 Drew If you're emancipated, why would your parents' financial situation even matter?

9:08 Caller Well, when I filled out my information for the governmental financial aid form, it said that if you're under 225, you have to put your parents' information on the form.

9:23 Adam All right. Well, listen, I'll figure out how much your parents make. What kind of car do they drive?

9:29 Caller A minivan.

9:30 Adam Minivan. What year?

9:32 Caller I think it's actually like a 99.

9:34 Adam 99. It's a brand new minivan.

9:35 Caller Yeah.

9:36 Adam Chrysler?

9:37 Caller Ford? I think it's a Ford.

9:39 Adam Okay. And do they rent or do they own a house?

9:44 Caller They own one in Alabama, where I come from, but they rent the one here in Denver.

9:49 Adam Uh-huh. And how many bedrooms?

9:51 Caller It's one, two, three, four, five, I think.

9:55 Adam Does your mother go to the salon once a week?

9:57 Caller No.

9:58 Adam Does your dad play golf?

10:00 Caller No.

10:01 Adam What's your dad do for a living?

10:03 Caller He works for the electric company.

10:05 Adam Uh-huh. What's he do for the electric company?

10:08 Caller He's like a manager or something. He like, he manages the people that climb up the polls.

10:14 Adam He just stands at the bottom of the poll and goes, Hey, careful. Easy. What's your hurry? All right. Your dad makes $44,000 a year. But I think. Yeah, that's it. Your mom supplements her income by selling a little Herbalife. And that would be good for $2,200. $2,287 is the exact figure a year. So we're up to $66,87. And I don't want to get into the change. All right, Timothy.

10:46 Caller All right.

10:46 Adam So put that down on the application.

10:49 Caller OK.

10:49 Adam All right. Now, what about the anal sex?

10:52 Dave Navarro The anal sex problem.

10:53 Caller Yeah, I'm gay and I've been in a relationship with a guy for like a year. And I was just wondering as far as just like what the dangers are.

11:04 Adam All right. Well, let me figure that out. What kind of car does he drive? Does he rent or does he own his penis?

11:11 Drew Obviously, there's the STD risks, right?

11:15 Caller Yeah. Well, actually, not really.

11:16 Drew But you understand those risks are there. And that some of the less obviously recognized STDs can really cause some serious problems with anal sex. For instance, genital warts if they occur in the anal region are associated with anal cancer.

11:33 Caller Yes. Okay.

11:34 Adam Wart and anus are two words you hate to see next to each other.

11:37 Drew And cancer. I think those three words line up.

11:39 Adam Those are... That's the hat trick.

11:41 Drew That's it.

11:42 Dave Navarro Is your boyfriend heavily endowed?

11:47 Caller I would say medium to large.

11:50 Dave Navarro Not...

11:51 Caller It would be the upper end of like average.

11:53 Drew And then the other issue is whether or not you cause hemorrhoids or fissures or paring.

11:58 Dave Navarro Tearing.

11:58 Drew Tearing and abscesses.

12:01 Adam Are you sort of designated as the receiver?

12:05 Caller Not really, actually. We kind of switch it up and we're trying to work into it because that kind of thing doesn't exactly come natural.

12:13 Adam Right.

12:13 Caller So, we're patient with each other because we're each other's first and all that kind of stuff.

12:18 Adam Good.

12:18 Caller And...

12:20 Adam Well, you can double down on the oral sex, can't you?

12:23 Caller Yeah.

12:24 Adam All right. And what about your behind? Is it still intact or has it been broken?

12:29 Caller Oh, it's been broken.

12:30 Adam Oh, it has?

12:31 Caller Yeah.

12:31 Adam Okay. Yeah.

12:31 Caller It's just sometimes... It's just kind of like a... I don't want to say coordination thing, but just... Right. As long as he takes it compared to how long I take and pretty much once you ejaculate, then that's the end of the pleasure for the receiver, for the most part. And he's concerned.

12:50 Adam Yeah. All right. Well, there's definitely some bugs with the gay love, but you guys can work it out, right?

12:55 Caller Yeah.

12:56 Dave Navarro I would imagine as long as you're enjoying it, just be careful, right?

12:58 Adam Yeah. Put the condom on, use plenty of lube, and it is a part that you can kind of wear out on you though, isn't it? I mean...

13:05 Drew You can do stuff too, yeah.

13:07 Adam I mean, what I mean is, is the body has some orifices that you don't really wear out. Like you wouldn't wear your mouth out, your ears you don't wear out from listening too hard, or your eyelids don't wear out, but your ass, I think you could put some miles on that and do some damage.

13:23 Drew Right.

13:24 Adam You know what I'm saying? See, it's like a nice pair of shoes. Bring it out on a weekend, watch where you walk, and then put it back in its little velvet sack. And you put that wooden stretcher thing in it, so it keeps its shape, right? You know the one that's shaped like a foot? Shoe tree.

13:39 Drew The shoe tree, yeah.

13:39 Adam Yeah, yeah, shoe tree. Yeah, put that in there. Jay?

13:43 Oh, hey. How's it going, guys?

13:45 Adam You're 16, good. You're on with Dave Navarro, by the way.

13:48 Caller Oh, first off, I'd like to say, I'm a big fan of Jane's Addiction and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, so.

13:53 Dave Navarro Well, thanks, Jay.

13:54 Caller Okay. Well, anyways, I'm 16 and I'm not really going out with the 50-year-old, but I'm having sex with the 50-year-old.

14:02 Adam Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy.

14:04 Drew Female?

14:04 Dave Navarro So what's the problem?

14:05 Caller Yeah.

14:06 Adam Female, really?

14:07 Caller Yeah.

14:08 Adam And where'd you meet her?

14:10 Caller Well, she's my mom's best friend.

14:13 Adam And how often you two hook up?

14:16 Caller We've done it six times in the past three months.

14:19 Adam And had you had experience before her?

14:22 Yeah.

14:23 Adam And with, like, what, 15, 16-year-olds?

14:26 Caller Yeah, you know, around there. Wow.

14:27 Adam That's quite a step up, right?

14:29 Yeah.

14:29 Adam It's like being with three 16-year-olds. How's that? It seems to me... Well, it seems to be quite a departure. I mean, if I was used to that sort of new-bile 15, 16-year-old, they stepped up to a 50-year-old, you know, I could see there might be some disadvantages to that.

14:51 Drew Just differences.

14:52 Adam Some big differences.

14:53 Dave Navarro Well, what's exactly the question?

14:56 Caller Well, I have a girlfriend right now, too.

15:00 Caller Oh, boy.

15:01 Caller And I want to know...

15:02 Drew Why all this chaos? What the hell is going on in your life?

15:06 Adam Well, what's up with mom, too, and why is she hanging out with this chick?

15:10 Drew Where's dad?

15:12 Caller I don't live with my dad.

15:13 Drew Of course not.

15:14 Adam And so what is up with this woman? Is she a little screwy?

15:19 Caller Yeah, I guess you could say that.

15:22 Adam And how did this come about?

15:25 Caller Well, I'm a frequent drinker and I was drunk when she came over and my mom was at work.

15:29 Drew Is she drunk, too?

15:31 Caller Well, she got drunk after she got there.

15:33 Drew This woman?

15:34 Caller Yeah.

15:34 Dave Navarro Did she come over just to see you?

15:36 Caller No, she thought my mom was there, but...

15:39 Drew All right, this is an alcohol thing.

15:42 Adam So now it's turning a little more of a regular thing.

15:45 Caller Yeah, I think she comes over just because she knows my mom is at work.

15:49 Adam Right.

15:49 Caller Yeah.

15:50 Adam And are you scared you're going to hurt her, you know, throw her hip out or something?

15:55 Caller No, I don't think so.

15:57 Drew She's breaking the law, remember? She's 16.

15:59 Adam You don't... You know, let me tell you a mistake I made with an older woman once. You know, sometimes you're talking in bed. Don't call them ma'am. That's a real mood breaker there where you go like, hey ma'am, could you get in the doggy position for a while while I'm working from behind? Thank you, ma'am.

16:15 Drew Call her miss ma'am.

16:16 Adam Ma'am, let me help you into that doggy position. Thank you, ma'am.

16:19 Drew Miss ma'am.

16:20 Adam Miss ma'am.

16:22 Drew All right.

16:23 Adam Hey, Jay. Yeah. It sounds like maybe your bigger problem is with alcohol than it is with the older ladies.

16:30 Caller Well, you know, I have a really bad system to be a problem.

16:35 Drew What else besides alcohol?

16:37 Caller I smoke pot. I drop acid. I eat shrubs.

16:42 Drew Well, you want to change that?

16:43 Caller What?

16:44 Drew You want to change that?

16:49 Adam It sounds like he's ready to make a move here. He's committed.

16:52 Drew You know, the solutions you're finding to how you're feeling may not be the best solutions out there. To me, they look like problems.

17:01 Caller I tried to commit suicide about a year back. I was on Prozac for about six months, and then my dad took me off.

17:08 Drew Well, I don't think Prozac's necessarily the answer either, although it's not necessarily a bad idea. I don't know. But what's fairly clear is that you do need to work on your addictions. And without that, no matter Prozac in the world is going to correct the feelings you're having and the course you're on.

17:25 Adam So Jay, how about you work on the addiction? Can you do that?

17:29 Drew Go to AA. I mean, you got to want to stop. Don't kid yourself.

17:32 Dave Navarro And Jay, I can tell you that if you take care of that, all that other stuff will fall away.

17:36 Caller Yeah, but another thing is, I have a girlfriend and I want to stay with my girlfriend. How do I break it off with her and then, like, should I tell my mom or shouldn't I tell my mom?

17:48 Adam About the older woman? Yeah. Well, why do you want to break it off with the older woman, right? All right, well, that's easy. Just sit on your hands. I mean, if she comes over, you leave. You know what I mean? Don't be drunk and sitting around with her. But this is another thing that will take care of itself if you're sober. If you're sober, you're not going to have trouble with your decision-making process. She'll come over. It'll be, you know, four in the afternoon. You'll be stone-cold sober and you'll walk out and get on your bike and go down to a liquor store or something. You know what I'm saying?

18:19 Drew Start drinking down there.

18:20 Adam No, not to buy liquor. It's an unfortunate title for a store that sells candy. All right, Jay? All right, so sobriety first. Everything else will fall in the line, as Dave said. Okay. All right. There we go. And Kimberly?

18:33 Hey, guys.

18:34 Adam Hey, you're 27.

18:35 Caller Oh, yeah, I know.

18:36 You don't have to remind me.

18:38 Dave Navarro 27 is a hard age.

18:39 Adam It's a little radio technique I use.

18:41 Caller I lived every year hard, man.

18:42 Dave Navarro You know why that is?

18:43 Adam Why?

18:43 Caller I'm kidding.

18:44 Dave Navarro Well, supposedly it's because Jupiter returns into the same place in the universe where it was when you were born.

18:49 Caller 27 years.

18:50 Dave Navarro Something to do like that, yeah. There's a rebirth process.

18:53 Adam Someone should have told me that when I was 27. Although the 20s, I think I had Jupiter going somewhere because I was miserable my entire 20s.

19:00 Caller Well, there's Kurt.

19:01 Dave Navarro I'm 32.

19:02 Adam Alright, that's good.

19:03 Dave Navarro Well, there's Kurt Cobain, there's Jimmy Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Jim Morrison, all 27.

19:08 Adam Interesting.

19:08 Caller So be careful.

19:09 Adam Kimberly? Hi, you guys. Yeah, don't start a band until you're 28. Alright.

19:14 Caller Okay.

19:15 Adam Alright, what's your question? Hi, Dave.

19:16 How are you?

19:17 Dave Navarro I'm good. How are you?

19:18 I'm okay.

19:19 Caller I needed my smelling salts because I almost passed out.

19:22 Dave Navarro Why is that?

19:23 Caller Well, because you have that effect on me.

19:25 Dave Navarro Oh, thanks.

19:26 Caller But anyway, I don't want to be lame or anything.

19:28 Dave Navarro You're not. Continue.

19:29 No.

19:30 Oh, dude.

19:31 Caller I'm such a wreck. Anyway, I just wanted to know how you're doing because the last time I saw you was at Jane's Addiction Relapse Concert and...

19:39 Dave Navarro It was appropriately titled, wasn't it?

19:41 Drew Interesting.

19:41 Oh, yeah.

19:43 Caller It was awesome.

19:44 Dave Navarro Thanks.

19:45 I happened to be...

19:47 Caller You won't remember me, but I was the girl that Tony, your tour manager, brought backstage and I won that bikini. Stupid, dial up and try and win a date with Dave driving in LA somewhere.

19:59 Do you remember that?

20:00 Drew Bikini magazine?

20:01 Caller Yeah.

20:02 Dave Navarro Oh, yes, I do.

20:03 Do you remember me?

20:03 Dave Navarro Of course I do.

20:04 Oh, God, you're an angel. I love you.

20:06 Dave Navarro Oh, well, thanks.

20:07 Caller I'm not like you're going to propose marriage or anything.

20:09 Adam Well, give her a couple dates. I know.

20:11 Drew Now that you mention it, maybe he will.

20:13 Caller He just has that effect on me.

20:15 Adam, look into Dave's eyes.

20:17 Caller Are they not the most gorgeous set of eyes?

20:19 Adam He's a handsome man, yeah.

20:20 He's a handsome guy.

20:21 Dave Navarro Adam's transfixed.

20:22 Adam The behind-me may be in serious jeopardy tonight, Drew.

20:25 You go for it.

20:27 Adam Kimberly, whoever's? Kimberly, ask your question, please, because we got to go to break.

20:33 Dave Navarro No, this is okay. I think we're okay.

20:34 Caller Because I don't want to make you angry or anything. How's the spread deal going? Is that still coming through fruition or is it?

20:42 Dave Navarro It is. It is.

20:44 Caller It's been in the works for a long time.

20:45 Dave Navarro It is, but you know what? I've been re-evaluating some things in my life and got myself back on track. I mean, for those of you who don't know, and this is certainly no secret, as we just said, I definitely had a slip, as it were, a chemical dependency slip.

21:02 Adam How long were you clean before you slipped?

21:04 Dave Navarro I was clean for about five years and slipped for about two.

21:08 Adam Two years.

21:09 Dave Navarro Two years. Yeah. And I don't recommend that by any means. By any means. So apart from delaying my record and delaying the projects that I've been working on, you know, I kind of screwed up my life. And I've been fortunate enough to get it back together and get myself together. And so now, Kimberly, I'm working on the record and finishing it up and should be out to you pretty soon.

21:31 Adam How long do you have sober now?

21:34 Dave Navarro What time is it? Right now, I'm looking at about, you know what? In about two hours, it'll be six months. Oh, really? Yeah.

21:42 Adam Oh, cool. I'll be here for the for the anniversary.

21:45 Dave Navarro Oh, thank you. But that's, Kimberly, so thanks for asking. You know, officially, that's, you know, I mean, I can make up all kinds of reasons as to why it's taken so long, but I'm not going to do that. And to go back to what Jay was talking about, I think that was his name. That's why that's how I can tell you that those problems will go away for you is because I've lived it myself.

22:06 Adam Good advice. Drew, ready? We'll take a little break here. When we come back, of course, Dave Navarro will be here. We'll speak to Lisa, who's 24, has never had an orgasm, even when she masturbates. And we'll figure out why she hasn't and why she continues to masturbate after this.

22:23 Caller How do you want me to do Love Line?

22:37 Caller All right, that's cool.

22:59 Adam It is the Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, fax number 310-8-5-4-44-55. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. Hello. And Dave has himself a book that will be coming out real soon called Trust No One, also a website, www.6767.com. You can see some highlights and some previews from the book. It's got a solo project coming out soon and the book to follow that. And tonight, he's here on Loveline. So we'll go back to the phones and speak to Lisa. It's 24. Lisa?

23:35 Caller Yes.

23:36 Adam What's up?

23:37 Caller Like I told the screener, I've been with my boyfriend for about six or six and a half years and I've never had an orgasm.

23:44 Adam Well, give it another six or seven years. I mean, you're really asking a lot.

23:49 Dave Navarro Well, is it never with him or just never ever?

23:52 Caller Never. Well, he's the only person I've been with. I've never had one.

23:56 Drew That's what they mean by yourself is what Dave's referring to.

23:59 Caller Well, yeah. Well, see, I've only been like doing that masturbating for about a year. I've never tried it before. Then all of a sudden, I was like, you know, this is not working. So I'm going to try it myself. But I never I don't know if it's in my mind that I can't or.

24:17 Dave Navarro Let me ask. Let me ask this. Have you guys looked into other methods such as? I don't know what are the vibrators and, you know, you know, other other methods? I know there's like there's books about the G-spot, for instance, you can go out and get and learn about that. And, you know, there's somewhat of a scientific approach you might have to take to it. But if it gets you where you need to go.

24:39 Caller Yeah, well, we have explored like books and stuff, but it seems like I get to it. But then I can't.

24:47 Adam How much oral sex is he doing on you?

24:49 Caller Plenty.

24:50 Adam Plenty?

24:50 Caller Yeah.

24:51 Adam Is there a reason why? Do you feel like you're holding back? Were you ever traumatized? Is there do you not want to let that go or give that to him in any way?

24:59 Caller I don't know. Maybe. I mean, he's the only guy that I've been with.

25:03 Adam So no, was there anything, you know, were you abandoned or abused or is any weird daddy kind of issues floating around? No. No. All right. So it's not a situation where you don't want to have the orgasm with him because you don't want to have that bond with him. It's more like he can't shake it loose. Right?

25:22 Caller Yeah.

25:23 Drew Or are you that involved with him?

25:25 Caller Yeah. I mean, we've gone through everything together.

25:29 Drew So what is everything like?

25:32 Caller Family problems and, you know, your family problems. Both of us.

25:36 Drew What are your family problems?

25:38 Caller I mean, I just like...

25:40 Dave Navarro Just good times and bad times.

25:41 Caller Yeah, exactly.

25:43 Dave Navarro When he has oral sex with you, or when he performs oral sex, does he use his mouth and his fingers?

25:49 Caller Um, well, he doesn't both do it at the same time, but he does...

25:53 Dave Navarro I might want to.

25:55 Adam I use my mouth and fingers, but the fingers are on the TV remote.

25:58 Dave Navarro Yeah.

25:58 Adam My mouth is on the telephone and I use the business end of the telephone on him. See, that's my technique.

26:04 Dave Navarro Because there's a little position he can make with his hands, with his two fingers pointed out, like his pointer finger and his middle finger, and then with his pinky and his ring finger curled under, kind of like he's making a fake gun, you stick the two big fingers in the opening, you got your thumb for clitoral stimulation and use your tongue, and then the knuckles can go into the anus.

26:26 Adam Nice.

26:27 Dave Navarro You get like a triplet thing happening there.

26:29 Adam And if you're wearing like a graduation ring, you gotta... You gotta get a quadruplet happening.

26:35 Drew That's why the Super Bowl rings are so popular.

26:36 Adam Wow, that is a nice technique. That is good. I like that. Yeah, all right, well, he may want to incorporate the cowboy method, the fake gun, but also I think that Lisa needs to get in touch with herself a little bit more. She's only been masturbating. Can you imagine, you know, she doesn't start masturbating until the age of 23. Guys would not stand for this.

27:02 Drew Guys would kill themselves.

27:03 Adam Not only would the guy kill themselves, but my friends found out I wasn't masturbating at 16 and were outraged. I mean, they said, listen, buddy, you better start jacking off or you're not going to be hanging around with us anymore. I mean, they were really outraged. They were like, I've been we've been doing it for two years now. What the hell is this? I was like, I don't know. I don't know how it works. OK, sit down. Figure this out. Yeah, that's what friends do. Right, Dave?

27:31 Dave Navarro Yeah, I was doing it before I understood what I was doing. I was masturbating before I knew that it was a sexual thing I was doing.

27:37 Adam Well, I mean, like when you're like five or something. But when did you actually achieve results? Because other than that...

27:43 Dave Navarro I actually remember it because it was scary. It was exciting and scary.

27:47 Adam You thought your soul was coming out?

27:49 Dave Navarro I don't know what I thought it was. It just was, you know, I remember specifically laying on the couch, watching daytime TV after school. And then here we go. And the moment came and I was scared and I thought something was wrong. And then the next thing I know, I was very excited. And I wanted to try it again. And it didn't happen the second time.

28:06 Adam Oh, no. No.

28:08 Dave Navarro It kind of like worked on its own.

28:10 Adam How old were you? Like 13 or 14?

28:12 Dave Navarro When that happened, I was about 11 or 12.

28:14 Adam Wow. That's pretty good.

28:16 Drew That's about right.

28:17 Adam 11 or 12? 11 or 12 is... 11 is early.

28:21 Drew 11 is early.

28:21 Adam 12 is early.

28:23 Drew 12 is about right. 12, 13.

28:24 Adam Really?

28:24 Drew 13, most guys are in stride.

28:26 Dave Navarro I still remember what I was thinking about.

28:28 Drew You were late.

28:28 Adam I was way late, but I've been doubling down ever since.

28:31 Drew I know.

28:31 Adam At a frantic pace to try to make up for that 14, 15 months, I didn't. But, you know, when I first did it, you know, it took me like an hour and 45 minutes. And I remember my thought was, well, that was good. But there's no way I can do that more than once a month. I mean, I just don't have, I don't have that much energy. I burst a vessel in my forehead. I got a calf cramp. You know, there's not enough room in the house. I mean, the lock on the door isn't big enough. And it was never like once, maybe twice a month. Within three weeks, I would squeeze one off, like in the kitchen when my mom's head was in the refrigerator. You know, it's like, I think I can get one real quick. It's amazing, isn't it? You know what I'm talking about. You do tend to hone your skills. Brandy?

29:19 Caller Hi.

29:20 Adam You're 17.

29:20 Caller Yes.

29:21 What's up?

29:22 Caller I read in Cosmo that a man's G-spot was up his butt.

29:26 Caller I was just wondering if that's true.

29:28 Adam Yeah.

29:29 Drew Men don't have a G-spot.

29:30 Caller They said it has a G-spot, a C-spot, and a V-spot.

29:33 Drew All right, stop reading Cosmo. Throw that, burn that crap.

29:36 Adam What is the V-spot?

29:36 Dave Navarro Are they talking, she's talking about that area, the prostate, the perineum is in between.

29:42 Caller Yeah, that's what it said, V-spot, V-spot, and a G-spot.

29:46 Adam Okay, so the G-spot is in the rectum, right? And the C-spot is where?

29:52 Caller Somewhere around, like, the head by the circumcision.

29:54 Adam Yeah, I could go for that.

29:56 Caller Okay, and then the-

29:57 Dave Navarro The underneath thing, right?

29:58 Caller V-spot is a little V right there from the circumcision.

30:00 Adam All right, well, what are you guys using?

30:02 Dave Navarro So this is more like information than a question.

30:04 Adam Yeah, or using a, you know, a pointer stick, or a tape.

30:08 Caller I don't know, that's why I-

30:09 Adam Using calipers, you know, to give the guy a hand job. Just cover the whole area.

30:15 Excuse me?

30:15 Adam Let me tell you something.

30:17 Caller What?

30:18 Adam The penis, that's where you should focus the bulk of your attention. Pretty much-

30:22 I'm just wondering, because maybe that's why people-

30:24 guys become gay because they like-

30:25 Drew No, no, Brandy, no, no, no, no.

30:27 What do you mean, no?

30:28 Drew Brandy, no.

30:29 Caller The Cosmos lion.

30:31 Drew Most guys that are gay just engage in oral sex anyway. They don't do any anal stuff.

30:35 Adam Well, not as much. not as much. I'd like to see them there.

30:39 Dave Navarro You can highlight as many spots as you want, and the guy's going to-

30:42 Adam Still focus on the penis.

30:44 Drew What's that, Brandy?

30:45 I said guys always want to do chicks with the butt, so I mean you figure, I don't know.

30:48 Drew Yeah, they want to do that to women as an aggressive act. They don't want anybody to do anything to them. In fact, the guys that want to do that to women react very strongly when you suggest them to do something to them, negatively.

30:59 Adam Yeah, okay, so you got the G-Spot, the B-Spot, and then if you try to put anything up my rectum, you have the C-Spot run, which is a little variation on that. Alright, Brandy, focus all your attention on the penis and God and family. Okay. Okay. Hey listen, Brandy, I see your candidate for early pregnancy.

31:23 Caller Excuse me?

31:24 Adam I smell trouble for you down the road. I can hear by your voice and you're already looking into stimulating the rectum.

31:31 Drew What?

31:31 Caller I was just reading it.

31:33 Drew That's an evil rag. Fear it out. Burn it.

31:36 Adam Yes. You understand?

31:38 Drew Seriously, it's not... It's fueling you with everything you don't need to be a woman.

31:42 Dave Navarro I know how to make an IUD out of a paper clip.

31:44 Adam Really?

31:44 Dave Navarro If later on someone wants me to fax that back to them.

31:46 Drew Oh my God.

31:49 Adam That's great. Hey, some of the newer paper clips are certifying IUD shapes already.

31:54 Drew Yeah, the plastic ones. We need a copper.

31:57 Adam Is that what they use?

31:58 Drew Progesterone soaked or something.

32:00 Adam All right. I think I can help you out in that department. Where are we here, Drew? John?

32:06 Caller Yeah?

32:06 Adam You're 13.

32:08 Caller Yep.

32:08 Adam Oh, brother. What's up?

32:11 Caller Well, OK, this girl. I've been going out with her since I was like 11, two years. I've known her since I was like six. We've grown up together. At one time, her mom was living with us and she was living with her dad. And, you know, like best of friends. Right. And then, OK, I'm in eighth grade. And in fifth grade, I asked her out. I've been going out with her ever since. I'm I want to be a virgin until I'm ready. And that's going to be way from now.

32:45 Adam You asked her out, though, in the fifth grade.

32:47 Caller Yes, I've been going out there ever since.

32:49 Adam For three years.

32:50 Caller Yes.

32:51 Adam OK.

32:51 Drew What's your question?

32:53 Caller And all of a sudden, she breaks up with me because she's pregnant and she's been cheating on me. It's just like 16 year old. And she's pregnant.

33:02 Drew She's how old? Thirteen?

33:03 Caller She's 13. And it's just like I can't think. I can't do anything. I'm like getting an F in school. It's just bothering me.

33:12 Drew Yeah. OK. Well, listen, John, is there anybody you can talk to about this? Any adult parent teacher or anything like that?

33:18 Caller Oh, God. No.

33:19 Drew Well, not so much about what all happened here.

33:21 Adam Not her being pregnant necessarily.

33:23 Drew Yeah. I mean, her out of your life is a good thing. She's not who you thought she was. OK. She's turning into somebody different.

33:29 Adam Well, you knew there was trouble when her mom came to live with your family. That's always a bad sign when people come to live with other people. I don't know why.

33:38 Drew Did he say that?

33:38 Adam Yes. John said that the mother of this young girl came to stay with them earlier in the conversation. Right, John?

33:46 Drew Yeah.

33:47 Adam Yeah. That means like an alcoholic man is doing some beating on somebody.

33:51 Drew Yeah. They had to get out.

33:52 Adam And that always trickles down to the poor little girl. So, John, she's on a different schedule than you are. And it's all right because yours is a little slower, a little safer, a little healthier.

34:05 Drew But you are depressed and you need to talk to somebody about that because it's affecting your functioning at school and whatnot and it can have some consequences and it can be dealt with if you just open up and talk to a couple of adults at school, teacher, somebody. Let somebody know how you're feeling. Not necessarily why, but just how you're feeling.

34:21 Adam And let me pose this question to our panel, Drew and Dave. I have the feeling that this is almost a rite of passage for men and for women too, that the pain, the heartache, that you have to go through. The first break up, the first one, it just seems to be the deepest. It really does. And I personally didn't go through it until I was like 22 and I was ruined because it's like getting chicken pox as an adult as opposed to as a kid. It's bad either way, but you somehow can bounce back a little better. Is it better to do this at 13 and sort of get it out, get it over with? I mean not over with, but under your belt?

35:05 Dave Navarro I'll tell you, for me, my first one was I was about 13, 13, 14, and it was the most painful one I've ever gone through. And I'll tell you what this kid has that I didn't have is I didn't reach out to anybody. I didn't call any radio show. I didn't ask for help about anything. And this guy has got a head start. And maybe that pain isn't going to have to sit with you, John, forever.

35:27 Adam You know, it's too bad, too, because I was 19 years ago. I think Drew was doing the show those in his 50s. Here, weren't you, Drew?

35:36 Drew 13 years ago, yeah.

35:37 Adam No, Dave, when you were doing it with Poor Man's Dad, I think, at the time.

35:41 Drew Sure.

35:41 Adam All right, we'll take a little break. Dave Navarro is here, a very candid Dave Navarro, which we like. And we will repay him by giving his projects extra plugs. I'm going to go look at his website right now. And we'll come back after this. I'm Adam, that is Drew. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. Our Lady Peace will be in tomorrow night. Trust No One is the name of Dave's book, which is not out yet, but it will be out soon. Also he has a solo project that will be out soon. And if you want to get caught up on what's going on with Dave's many projects, you can turn on your computer, go to www.6767.com and find out all about it. All right. Now, Jane.

36:26 Caller Hello?

36:27 Adam You're 25. What's going on?

36:29 Caller I have a question. It's two questions that has to deal with the same thing.

36:33 Caller Go ahead.

36:35 Caller I do oral sex on my boyfriend and probably, let's see, we bring it together a couple of years. So, you know, like off and on for a couple of years. And I noticed that the taste of it changed for a while. And I was wondering if that had anything to do with maybe he was doing drugs.

36:56 Drew Good. What it tastes like?

36:58 Adam Poppy seeds?

36:59 Caller No, it tasted like bitter. You know what I mean? It was like, it didn't taste the same.

37:04 Dave Navarro There's a lot of factors that go on.

37:06 Drew Yeah, they were actually, I had to look this up on my website. You heard me? What?

37:10 Dave Navarro No, I'm just saying I heard that there's a lot of factors.

37:12 Drew I heard this. But actually, amphetamines are actually quite concentrated in the semen.

37:17 Adam Oh, really?

37:18 Drew You're talking about amphetamines?

37:19 Caller I don't know what he's doing.

37:20 Drew Yeah, and actually, we had a call on the TV show, if you remember, a woman said she got high when she had sex with a boyfriend who was doing a lot of speed. And I didn't know whether it made sense to me that could happen, so I looked it up, and lo and behold, about five to seven times more concentrated in semen as amphetamine than in the blood.

37:37 Adam Yeah, so.

37:37 Caller Did that change the taste?

37:39 Drew Yeah, it was like taking a big old swig of drugs.

37:41 Dave Navarro Is there any change in his behavior, and is there any change in the amount of time it takes him to ejaculate?

37:46 Drew Good questions.

37:48 Caller Well, they got the band back together, so they spent...

37:51 Drew Nope, I'm going to say no more.

37:52 Adam That's it. Just the fact that there was a band to break up in the first place means drugs.

37:58 What broke him up?

38:01 Caller Some of the guys got different times a day when they were working, and so they couldn't get together.

38:07 Adam Hey, Jane?

38:08 Yeah?

38:10 Adam So here's the question, then. Do you suspect... Is he acting differently other than the flavor of his semen?

38:16 Caller Um, yeah.

38:18 Adam He is. All right. So you suspect he's taking drugs?

38:20 Caller Yeah.

38:21 Adam Why don't you...

38:21 Caller I don't want... You know, I didn't want to say anything unless maybe there was... You know, I just can't...

38:26 Caller I don't know.

38:27 Adam Well, why not? Why don't you ask him?

38:30 Caller I don't know.

38:31 Adam Well, it's kind of your business.

38:32 Caller Yeah.

38:33 Adam And you're his girlfriend.

38:34 Dave Navarro And you know, you're actually ingesting drugs potentially. I mean, you have a right to know that.

38:38 Drew Absolutely.

38:38 Caller That's the second part of my question. I mean, I know all about the sexually transmitted diseases. Can you get all of those by doing oral sex?

38:47 Drew Yes, all of them.

38:48 Caller Every single one of them.

38:48 Drew Every single one of them.

38:50 Dave Navarro Write down a line, the full rainbow.

38:52 Adam What about crabs? Only if you have a mustache?

38:55 Drew Only if you have a mustache.

38:55 Adam All right. Jane?

38:57 Drew Yeah?

38:57 Adam You got to wax, you understand me?

38:59 Drew We want to eliminate one.

39:01 Adam And then we can cross crabs off the list. And you, you ladies that bleached that mustache, I don't know who told you that worked, bad idea. To me, it's a blonde mustache. You look like Nick Nolte when he was in The Deep. You really do.

39:16 Dave Navarro Good movie, just watch it.

39:17 Adam Good movie, good mustache, just not on a chick. And I swear to God, I've seen women who have a blonde mustache and my question to them is do we think that blonde men are bald? You know what I mean? I mean, we go, hey, that guy's got nice blonde hair.

39:34 Dave Navarro Also, what's scary is like you can't detect it always until you go in for a kiss.

39:39 Adam You investigate.

39:40 Dave Navarro And when you discover at that moment, that's the moment you've decided to become intimate and that's when you learn there's the mustache.

39:46 Adam Yeah.

39:46 Dave Navarro You can't really backpedal at that.

39:48 Adam No, no. So here's the deal, ladies. You do many things to make yourself beautiful. This is one you shouldn't ignore. Get that thing waxed. Right, Drew? Right. Tom.

39:59 Caller Hey, how's it going?

40:00 Adam Good. You're 32. What's up?

40:02 Caller I just wanted to say I've been a long time listener of the show since I lived in Pasadena back in 87.

40:09 Drew Ooh, a long time listener.

40:10 Caller Yeah. Drew, you're magnificent. And I think, Adam, if there's anybody who's going to turn this thing into a cash cow, it's you. The question actually is for Dave. Dave, huge Jane Addictions fan, have all your records, babe. I was just wondering, I was actually one of the few that actually purchased and enjoyed the One Hot Minute CD.

40:31 Dave Navarro Yes, you were.

40:32 Caller And I was wondering, you keep in touch with those guys. They're getting back out. They're excited. You guys all knew each other for a long time. I'm just curious, how's the bond between you and those lads?

40:42 Dave Navarro It's actually really good. Really good. You miss them?

40:44 Caller You miss them at the tour? You miss them?

40:46 Dave Navarro You know, I miss them more as people than anything else. I think playing together wasn't necessarily the best idea. And I think all four of us agree on that. But you know, as people, sure. I still see Anthony and I still talk to Flea and Chad. You know, I've always been friends with John.

41:01 Caller So how's he doing?

41:02 Dave Navarro John? John's doing great. I actually saw him at a buddy's wedding the other day. Steve Perkins from Jane's Addiction, by the way. Got married.

41:08 Adam And how is Perry doing? Is he is he the most insane person in the world?

41:15 Dave Navarro He actually he's doing really good.

41:16 Adam He is.

41:17 Dave Navarro And he's not the most insane person in the world.

41:19 Adam He isn't?

41:19 Dave Navarro No, no.

41:20 Adam He appears that way.

41:21 Dave Navarro No, my manager is. Oh, really? But no, he's doing great. And I actually I'm lucky enough to have pretty good relationships with all the members of both bands.

41:31 Caller Well, cool. That's good to hear. I also had another question for Adam.

41:34 Adam Yeah.

41:34 Caller Adam, I was wondering what your position was on the guys who wear socks with sandals.

41:40 Adam Yeah, I'm that's him.

41:41 Drew That's Adam.

41:42 Caller No, are you one of those guys?

41:43 Adam Well, I'm not wearing them. No, I was last night. But that's only because I was too lazy to take my socks off and then too lazy to put my shoes on.

41:53 Drew He does have some feelings about this.

41:54 Dave Navarro His socks with sandals frowned upon.

41:56 Drew You're gay.

41:57 Caller I think that people who wear that kind of actually are contributing an odor that I'm not always going to be able to sign off on. So I think it's a little, a little, you know, discourteous. I think it's a little, you know, but depending on the situation and everything.

42:11 Drew And considerate.

42:12 Dave Navarro What's discourteous?

42:13 Adam The smell that comes from the sock and sandal. Listen, I'd be doing people around me a favor if I put a sock on when I wear these sandals.

42:21 Drew Look, it's the trade-off between looking at his toenails and smelling a sock.

42:25 Dave Navarro See, you'd want a sock on me. My toenails are, they're due.

42:30 Adam The real crime is the black sock in the sandal. That's a bad look. That's that sort of uncle from Philadelphia who wants to go down to Venice.

42:37 Dave Navarro I have to admit, the other day I asked my girlfriend if, you know, I said, can I wear socks with these? And she looked at me and said, no. I didn't know. I didn't know that this existed.

42:46 Adam But you asked, she gave you the answer, and you listened.

42:48 Dave Navarro I had the foresight. I had the foresight to ask.

42:50 Drew That's true. Women are afraid to tell men stuff like that. That's what we want.

42:53 Dave Navarro She's not afraid, believe me.

42:54 Adam Yeah. Women freak out when you tell them, listen, honey, don't wear that dress. They'll go through the roof. But you can come walking out, and they'll go change your shirt, and you'll walk, you'll turn around, walk right back into the closet. You won't even ask.

43:05 Drew Like without thinking.

43:07 Adam If you say anything, you apologize. Sorry. Sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. Yeah, I'm going to head back in. Because we're mature, right, guys?

43:14 Sarah.

43:15 Caller Hello.

43:16 Adam You're 21.

43:17 Caller Yes.

43:17 Caller What's up?

43:19 Caller OK. My question is that when I have sex, it seems like in order to get off, I fantasize that I'm being raped or that I don't want to come. And I wish that I didn't have to do that. When I don't, it doesn't even get close.

43:38 Adam Do you have any history with that?

43:40 Caller No, I don't. That's the part that I think is weird.

43:44 Adam Well, you know, this is a little bit of a fantasy for quite a few women. I'm not quite sure why.

43:52 Drew 21?

43:53 Adam Well, I don't know. When is the right age for the rape fantasy? When is it? The 30s? 35?

44:00 Caller Well, I've been doing it for a while.

44:02 Adam Uh-huh. And you were never mistreated?

44:05 Drew Manhandled by anybody?

44:06 Caller No, I've never been sexually assaulted.

44:09 Adam No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

44:11 Drew Anybody ever strike you, hit you?

44:13 Caller No.

44:13 Drew With an object? Never?

44:15 Caller No.

44:16 Dave Navarro Are you in any way, are you an extreme person in other areas of your life? I mean, you need extremes to like be-

44:23 Adam It's interesting.

44:26 Drew That's the addict.

44:27 Caller I am, like, for example, I just started my period. PMS, like my first day of my period or the day before, I get really depressed. I start, you know, I freak out on my boyfriend. It's like everything is really extreme and dramatic. I've been to in and out of psychologists and therapists.

44:50 Drew For what? What is it? What's going on there? What do you mean?

44:54 Adam Nothing.

44:54 Caller Manic depression.

44:56 Adam Yeah.

44:56 Dave Navarro Which is extreme ups and downs, right?

44:59 Caller Yeah, it's extreme.

45:00 Dave Navarro See, because the reason I ask is because although I don't have the rape fantasy, I do things very extremely when I shop. That's all I do is I spend tons of money on shopping. You know? Just what an example would be when I shop, I really shop. When I eat, I really eat. When I, you know what I mean? And so, I don't know what the solution would be to this, but...

45:21 Drew Well, take bipolar as a biological disorder, and there's medicines for that.

45:27 Caller Well, I was on the pill and then I was on the shot, like ever since I was 16 years old.

45:33 Drew Yeah, but why are you not having your bipolar illness treated?

45:36 Caller Wait, wait, wait.

45:37 Caller And I stopped about nine months ago and I've been totally fine.

45:42 Caller Like, all of, like my depression signs went away. It was a huge factor.

45:48 Drew Being on the pill?

45:48 Caller Being on the pill and being on the shot.

45:50 Caller So, when I was on the shot, it was even worse.

45:52 Drew Are you saying the diagnosis of bipolar was inaccurate?

45:55 Caller Um, it, well, I never really got an exact diagnosis, but I think it was just a hermetic depressive.

46:02 Caller But he would say these are major signs of depression.

46:06 Adam All right, well, Sarah, if you weren't raped and you're not living anything out, then go with it. What the hell? But there's other parts of your life that need some work. Sarah? I gotta move on with the show. I don't want to make you more depressed, but you sound a little depressed, and get a little therapy, read a few books.

46:25 Dave Navarro Rent the accused.

46:27 Adam I don't know what else to say.

46:28 Caller Okay. Well, mostly I just want to be able to get off without thinking, without having those kinds of fantasies.

46:37 Adam Well, stop thinking about it and see if you can get off.

46:40 Caller Okay.

46:40 Adam Picture me touching myself when I was 15. Okay?

46:45 Caller And that'll help?

46:46 Adam Yeah. It'll make me feel better. We gotta take a break. I just want to talk to Laura. You're Laura?

46:54 Yes.

46:54 You're 30?

46:55 Yeah.

46:55 Adam Your boyfriend tied you up nine days ago, and now you've lost feeling in your thumb?

46:59 Yeah, I've got like the pins and needles, which I had immediately.

47:03 Okay. All right.

47:04 Adam Hold on.

47:04 Oh.

47:05 Adam Hold on.

47:06 All right.

47:06 Adam So like the pins and needles, meaning like it was asleep.

47:09 Right.

47:09 Adam Okay.

47:10 That's good.

47:10 Adam Dave Navarro's here. I'm going to go look at his website, and we'll be back after this.

47:16 Loveline, we'll be right back. Loveline will be right back. It's Loveline.

47:35 Adam We're going to take a quick ten-second timeout. We'll be back with more of the show in just ten seconds.

47:42 This is Loveline on Radio Station.

47:57 Adam All right. It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Our lady piece will be in here tomorrow night. Dave Navarro is here tonight. He's got himself a website, www.6767.com. You can see some pictures from a new book that he's working on called Trust No One. And it's a very interesting premise in which everyone who came into Dave's house for one calendar year had to sit in a photo booth like they used to have and take a picture. And it's all chronicled. I just saw Kurt Loder, which was a thrill for me because working for MTV, we've not seen this lad before. Have we, Drew?

48:36 Drew No, never. Who?

48:38 Adam Kurt Loder. I'll keep an eye out for him. He was on MTV actually one year before MTV started. I'm not exactly sure how he worked that out, but somehow he did it for a year before it became a network. And I think we're going to be on one year after they shut down.

48:54 Drew Did you hear they did an MTV retrospective about the history of the show and they had every crappy show they've ever had. They had talked about the histories of the show. One show, the entire history of MTV was not represented.

49:06 Adam Is that interesting? With Sand Blast. No, our show.

49:10 Drew Everything else was represented.

49:11 Adam They did a MTV retrospective.

49:13 Drew Yeah, somebody said they saw a two hour special on the history of MTV and all the different things where it came from, what it did, what it went through.

49:18 Adam Oh really?

49:18 Drew And all the programming they had.

49:20 Adam Interesting.

49:21 Drew No, not mentioned.

49:22 Adam Fascinating. We're usually on the vanguard of advertising and promotion. I mean, those of you...

49:33 Dave Navarro Perhaps you guys are current, so they don't want to... Yeah. They can't be looking back on something that's current.

49:38 Adam Dave makes a good point.

49:39 Dave Navarro There you go. Does that fix it?

49:41 Adam Not for me. I never stop to believe. Laura?

49:45 Yes, I'm here.

49:45 Adam So you're 30. Your boyfriend tied you up during sex.

49:49 Caller Right.

49:49 Adam Is it something you do often?

49:51 Caller No. It was the first time for us. I've been wanting to do it. I've got a great four-post bed and wanted to make good use of it. And so we finally did.

49:59 Dave Navarro Now you have a four-finger hand left.

50:01 Adam And what did... We just used a regular rope and...

50:05 Caller We used like tethers that are used for mountain climbing.

50:11 Dave Navarro Oh, that's your problem.

50:13 Caller Those kind of...

50:14 Adam Nylon type?

50:15 Caller Sort of, yeah. Nylon. They're about an inch wide and narrow.

50:20 Adam All right. And...

50:22 Caller Yeah, so...

50:23 Adam He didn't wrap it around your thumb, though. He just wrapped it around your hand, right?

50:26 Caller Around my wrists and around my ankles. And there was one particularly intense part of it where I was sort of pulling in on all my limbs. And then right after that, my left thumb was just shooting with pins and needles. So, we loosened it up. But it's been that way now for nine days. And I'm just wondering if I've completely destroyed the nerve or...

50:51 Drew You've injured it. The median nerve runs right by where you had your operation, in fact. Right. It runs right through here. It's right at the surface, right where the wrists and the palms sort of meet. Carpal tunnel. That's what carpal tunnel is.

51:01 Caller It's on the... I can feel when I touch it on the side.

51:05 Drew On this side, yeah, right. But this side will be numb. Like, the pad side.

51:09 Adam It's good radio, by the way, Drew, where you just point your actual thumb in the studio.

51:12 Drew The pad side of the thumb is numb, right?

51:15 Caller I'm sorry?

51:15 Drew The fingernail side, you can feel more than the pad part.

51:19 Caller No, actually, it's the top that's more numb.

51:21 Drew Oh, so you ripped that part. Okay.

51:23 Caller The top is numb. The bottom is a little sore.

51:26 Drew All right, so there's a nerve that does come around like this that you might have...

51:29 Adam More importantly, what does it smell like?

51:32 Drew Yeah, so it will come back.

51:34 Caller It will come back?

51:34 Drew Probably, yeah.

51:35 Dave Navarro In the future, they do sell fur lined restraints that you may want to look into.

51:41 Drew Right.

51:41 Caller I know I've seen those and we talked about them in future episodes.

51:44 Adam I have a set of those.

51:46 Dave Navarro It's better than the do-it-yourself stuff.

51:47 Caller Right, so there's nothing I need to do, no treatment or anything, it'll do.

51:50 Drew They may want to, if it gets bad or gets painful or throbbing, they may want to immobilize your wrist or thumb and you certainly see somebody at that point, but it's not a lot that can be done with this kind of thing.

51:58 Adam Here's the only drawback to the fur lined ones. I was using it and I love making when some PETA protestors actually broke into the bedroom and threw paint on the hooker who I had strapped down. It was hard to explain. It really broke the mood. I'm just saying if you do buy these things, take an alternate route home. There are people who will follow you. Drew, I'm sure that's happened to almost everybody, but you never get used to it, right, Dave?

52:26 Dave Navarro It's dangerous.

52:27 Adam Jill?

52:28 Caller Uh-huh.

52:28 Adam You're 17.

52:29 Caller What's up?

52:31 Caller Well, okay, I'm dating this guy, and I really like him, but it seems like he just keeps pressuring me into having sex. Now, I've only kissed him, and that's the farthest I've ever gone. I know it's really pathetic, but I will. Like all his friends are just always pressuring me and always asking me, why don't you have sex with everyone at my school? I just don't know how to say no, and I know I'm not ready for it because I don't want to have sex, but it's like the more they all pressure me, the more I come closer to wanting to, and I don't know how to say no.

53:00 Adam How long have you been with this guy?

53:02 Caller Um, almost a year.

53:05 Dave Navarro Just tell him to be ready to go as soon as the burning clears up.

53:09 Caller Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to.

53:13 Adam All right. Listen, if you don't want to, don't do it. It's fine.

53:16 Drew Don't you have any friends who can support your not-to position?

53:19 Caller Oh, well, my friends support me, but all of them aren't virgins anymore.

53:24 Drew So you said everybody was pressuring you?

53:26 Caller Yeah, pretty much.

53:28 Drew Do you have any friends who support your position not to do it?

53:32 Caller Kind of. They're just, I mean, they understand that I don't want to.

53:35 Drew Do you have any friends that will thoroughly support your position not to do it? All right. How about those are not your friends then, really? They really don't care about what you want. They have their own sort of agenda going on of what they need you to do.

53:47 Caller All right.

53:48 Adam But Jill, you've only kissed this guy in one year, right?

53:51 Caller Why?

53:52 Drew Well, I have to start pressuring you now, too.

53:54 Adam Come on, baby. Listen up. No. Why so little in one year? Are you religious?

54:00 Caller No.

54:01 Adam Is she?

54:01 Caller I go to church.

54:02 Adam She's 17. Were you ever traumatized?

54:05 Caller No.

54:05 Adam No. It's just a...

54:06 Caller I don't know. I just...

54:08 Adam Personal decision.

54:09 Drew Maybe he's not the right guy, too, by the way.

54:10 Adam That's fine.

54:11 Caller Well, it just hasn't been special enough.

54:13 Drew Yeah. Good. But you need friends to support your orientation, too.

54:17 Caller My problem is I don't have real friends.

54:19 Adam That's right. Hang on to it, Jill.

54:22 Caller Okay.

54:23 Adam All right?

54:23 Caller All right. Thank you.

54:25 Adam All right.

54:25 Caller Bye.

54:26 Adam Bring that hymen into your 50s. That's...

54:29 Dave Navarro That's what I'm saying.

54:31 Adam That's what I'm... That's what I'm going to tell my daughter. I said, listen, if I ever have a daughter, the first thing I want you... The first thing I want you to un-ramp on your 50th birthday is your hymen. That's your present.

54:42 Dave Navarro Having a daughter is a scary idea for me.

54:44 Adam Especially when you think about you and what you've done.

54:48 Dave Navarro You just don't want to...

54:50 Adam Well, I mean, I think the further away you were from Sir Walter Raleigh growing up, I mean, the more sort of random sex, the more bizarre ritualistic sex, the more stuff you've done to women over the course of the years, the more nervous you are because you tend to sort of just think... You put your mind into all men's minds and you figure, well, Jesus, if half the guys out there or anything or half of what I was...

55:17 Dave Navarro Yeah, at my best...

55:18 Adam .it's going to be trouble.

55:18 Dave Navarro The way I was at my best, I don't even want to deal with.

55:23 Caller Right.

55:24 Adam Right. So, yeah, there you go.

55:27 Drew That's the way he wants it.

55:30 Adam Sonya?

55:30 Caller Hello.

55:31 Adam What's up?

55:32 Caller Okay, I think there's something wrong with me.

55:35 Caller Yeah.

55:37 Caller I really enjoy having sex with older men or role-playing. I really enjoy role-playing.

55:44 Drew What do you mean role-playing? What does that mean?

55:46 Dave Navarro Like D&D and stuff?

55:47 Caller No. Well, light, but not like heavy. The thing I've been really doing lately, like the last two years, has been role-playing like a daddy-daughter scenario. And it really turns me on, but...

56:01 Drew What went wrong with your real one?

56:03 Caller No, nothing. I was never molested. I was never raped. I was never touched by...

56:07 Drew Well, what else went wrong with it?

56:09 Caller What do you mean?

56:10 Drew What went wrong with that relationship?

56:12 Caller With my father? I don't understand the question.

56:17 Adam Hey, uh, Sonia?

56:19 Caller Yeah.

56:19 Adam You're 26, right?

56:20 Caller Yeah.

56:21 Adam Okay, so you have this sort of fetish with the daddy thing in the bedroom.

56:26 Caller Yeah.

56:26 Adam What's up with your real daddy in your relationship with him?

56:31 Caller Well, we don't really have a relationship.

56:33 Adam Okay. How confusing was Drew's question?

56:36 Caller I didn't understand the question. I'm sorry.

56:38 Drew What's up with your relationship with your dad? How's that going?

56:40 Caller Um, I don't talk to him.

56:42 Drew What's the problem with it? What my question was?

56:44 Caller Well, my parents were divorced when I was young, and he really was in my life.

56:48 Adam Okay. So you've never really known him?

56:52 Caller Um, when I was a child, I guess.

56:54 Drew You were about seven when they broke up?

56:56 Caller Eight? I was four. Four. Yeah. And? And we had a kind of a, you know, see on the weekend thing, and then we moved away, and it was like, see you during the summer vacation thing, and then when I was 11 or 12, I didn't want to go, and he didn't force me to go, and then the phone calls dwindled, and I haven't talked to him in two years.

57:16 Dave Navarro Were the times when you did see him good times? I mean, did you have a good time with him?

57:20 Caller Not really.

57:21 Adam Okay, because he wasn't a great guy.

57:23 Caller No, I wouldn't pick him to be my father.

57:25 Adam Okay, so now every guy sort of becomes daddy.

57:28 Drew No, no, no. Fascinating, wait, fascinating statement. I wouldn't pick him to be my father, but I'm out looking right now. I'm going to pick one.

57:36 Caller No, that's not your problem.

57:38 Adam That's not your problem.

57:39 Caller Let me finish.

57:39 Drew All right.

57:40 Caller Can I finish?

57:41 Adam Go right ahead.

57:42 Caller Okay.

57:43 Caller Okay. I really enjoy role playing that, but in reality, like when I hear about children being molested or abused, it makes me sick to my stomach.

57:53 Drew No, no, it's from Adam Laker, I understand.

57:55 Caller Help me.

57:56 Adam Sorry, sorry, please.

57:58 Drew Hold on, hold on.

57:59 Adam Are you product of the junior college system? Did you go to junior college?

58:03 Caller No, I didn't.

58:05 Adam Really?

58:05 Drew No college.

58:06 Adam No college.

58:06 Caller I went to college.

58:08 Adam Where, a four year?

58:09 Caller A four year college, yes.

58:11 Adam What are you, like a full-blooded Mohican or something? How did you get into that college? What are you, a six foot eight? You must have been on some kind of volleyball scholarship or something. Son, you're twenty six years old, you're missing very basic principles of psychology here. Your dad abandoned you, you didn't much care for him, and you started...

58:37 Caller He's Adam, he's gonna get us here.

58:39 Drew If he says anything wrong, I'll interrupt.

58:41 Adam You started the question by saying you have a daddy daughter kind of fetish, and we're exploring that now. Now we know what the origins of this are.

58:52 Caller It doesn't have to be daddy, it can be just the older man.

58:54 Drew All right, listen.

58:55 Adam Older man represents daddy.

58:56 Drew What you do is go into your world, and you try to solve the leftover carnage of those early relationships. You try to reenact them. And people-

59:08 Caller I never had sex with my dad.

59:09 Drew Of course not. With a puberty that becomes a sexual issue, all the pain, all the fantasies attached to those unsolved issues become sexualized. And then that becomes what you act out repeatedly, finding guys who actually end up treating you just like your father, I'm sure.

59:25 Adam Now, how old are these guys?

59:27 Caller Well, they range. My boyfriend now is 30.

59:30 Adam Well, that's not that old.

59:32 Caller No, not at all. All right. But I do like to have sex with older men besides my boyfriend.

59:39 Adam Oh, okay.

59:40 Drew Let's hope you're Adam.

59:42 Adam You're kind of screwy though, right? All right, so listen, Sania, what are you doing for a living?

59:48 Caller I'd rather not say.

59:50 Adam Oh, stripping, right?

59:51 Caller No.

59:52 Caller Come on.

59:54 Caller No, I keep my clothes on.

59:55 Adam You do?

59:56 Caller Yeah, I don't do anything.

59:57 Adam I'll tell you, you're not going to make any tips that way, honey. You've got to show a little ass once in a while.

1:00:01 Caller No, no, no.

1:00:02 Adam The patrons are going to be pissed. All right, Sania.

1:00:05 Drew Why don't you want to tell us what you do for a living?

1:00:07 Caller Well, I work in sales. Okay. Not selling my body.

1:00:11 Adam Right, right.

1:00:12 Caller I sell advertising.

1:00:13 Adam All righty. Listen, Sania, why don't you read a book and get a little therapy and try to work on some of these issues? Because there are some issues that you have that involve Pops abandoning you, and I think you're a million miles away from it. And this would be a good thing for you in your life.

1:00:34 Caller I've gone to therapy.

1:00:35 Adam For how long?

1:00:36 Caller For like years.

1:00:38 Adam And what happened?

1:00:38 Dave Navarro I think you should find a new therapist.

1:00:40 Caller No, no, I don't want to go to therapy.

1:00:42 Adam All right. Well, there you go. It can be damned to make the same set of mistakes over and over for the rest of your life.

1:00:48 Caller Do you really think that's a good thing?

1:00:49 Adam Yes, absolutely.

1:00:50 Drew Well, she's okay in a relationship, you know.

1:00:53 Adam Yeah, but she's real defensive about stuff.

1:00:54 Drew Yeah, she's got some stuff going on, but she's able to establish an intimacy and she doesn't always act out these fantasies. All right. It's settling down a little bit.

1:01:02 Caller So what's wrong with me?

1:01:05 Drew I don't know. We just talked about it for ten minutes.

1:01:08 Adam Listen, it all goes back to your dad and that abandonment, all right? That's it. If you want your answers, there's where it is. There's the place to look. All right. You know, I was watching a commercial tonight, and it kind of pissed me off. Although the theme of it was good, but the reality was bad. It's something we've talked about on this show before.

1:01:33 What's my dad doing in Israel?

1:01:34 Adam It was... I don't know why. It's always funny. I was watching Monday Night Football, and they ran one of these, you know, PSA spots with the NFL working in conjunction with, I think it was like RJ. Reynolds or something. This wasn't the United Way, but basically it was a woman and her daughter. And it said... and these were actresses playing the woman and the daughter. And basically the upshot of the commercial was, there's a halfway house where if women are being abused by their alcoholic, abusive men, they can leave and go to this safe place where they don't have to live in this abusive environment. And at the end of the commercial, the woman looked in the camera who's now on the beach with her daughter. Because whenever times are good, they're always hitting the beach. The kid's always sort of mindlessly chasing like a seagull somewhere, and the mom's talking to the camera, but the kid's in the background, you know. And there's never anyone else on the beach, by the way. I don't know who... where you get your own beach. Only Johnny Carson has his own beach, but somehow they clear the beach off. The kid's playing with the seagull in the back. The mom looks at the camera and she says, um, I'm so glad I went to this halfway house, thanks to RJ. Reynolds and the United Way. I came from a loving family, and my daughter deserves the same. Oh, boy. And I thought, no bitch, you're lying, because you wouldn't have hooked up with the abusive alcoholic guy if you came from the loving family. And I know that from doing this show.

1:03:09 Drew Yep.

1:03:10 Adam More sort of media nonsense.

1:03:12 Drew Well, the stories that the press and me love to tell is that victims have no role in the relationships they establish.

1:03:20 Caller Right.

1:03:20 Drew And or once they're badly victimized, that they are angelic.

1:03:24 Caller Right.

1:03:25 Drew They will never, you know, they just need to be rescued and taken out of that environment, and things will be perfect.

1:03:29 Adam You show me a woman who marries, starts a family, and has to flee a guy who's alcoholic and abusive to get to a safe house. I'm gonna show you a chick whose dad was alcoholic. Alcoholic and abusive, well, not who came from a loving family where both parents were together. More sort of, just sort of media-spinning nonsense. And I don't know if they ever even really researched that or think about it.

1:03:51 Drew Of course not.

1:03:51 Adam And I don't even know why is that an important component? You know what I mean? Why in the commercial with, I came from a loving, nurturing family, and I want my daughter to have the same.

1:04:02 Drew It's the media, you know.

1:04:04 Dave Navarro Because I guess it wouldn't make sense to say I came from a destructive family, my daughter deserves the same.

1:04:08 Adam Well, don't say anything, just say it's good to be at the beach, you know? It's nice not to be working on it too.

1:04:15 Drew No, in the end, really the tag should have been something in the effect of I'm breaking the cycle of abuse, we're going to make it better at this time.

1:04:22 Caller Right.

1:04:22 Drew You know, this time around it's going to be right.

1:04:24 Caller Right.

1:04:25 Drew That's all.

1:04:25 Adam Not Ozzie and Harriet Nelson raise me, and then I went ahead and married Jan Michael Vincent. We love to think that happens, but it absolutely does not. Kelly, you're 17.

1:04:40 Caller Hi.

1:04:41 Dave Navarro Hi, Kelly.

1:04:42 Caller I'm like, oh, I'm so excited. I hope we don't cry.

1:04:48 Caller I've been like your biggest fan since I was 10 years old. And I just like, I've been like a really big Jane's Addiction fan too.

1:04:56 Dave Navarro Are you talking to me?

1:04:56 Caller Yeah.

1:04:57 Dave Navarro Oh, hi.

1:04:58 Adam Don't play coy, Dave. Are you kidding?

1:05:01 Dave Navarro It's a radio.

1:05:01 Adam You've been a fan of me or Drew? Well, please use process of elimination here.

1:05:06 Dave Navarro Okay. So please, please go back again and say exactly what you just said.

1:05:13 Caller I was saying that I've been like your biggest fan since I was like 10 years old.

1:05:17 Dave Navarro I'm sorry?

1:05:17 Caller I'm like, huh?

1:05:20 Adam So what happened on your 10th birthday? You became a big fan of Dave Navarro?

1:05:25 Caller No, but just like, that's like all I really remember from like when I was 10. Like I remember I was just like this huge Dave Navarro fan.

1:05:32 Dave Navarro That's very nice. Thanks.

1:05:33 Caller And like I've always been a really big Jane's Addiction fan too. And like someone told me that you guys were going to release another CD next year.

1:05:42 Dave Navarro I believe Perry is releasing a CD.

1:05:45 Caller Is it like a greatest hits? Someone told me that I was at work and like I had the water running there.

1:05:49 Dave Navarro Like what you're talking about is the Perry Farrell Greatest Hits album.

1:05:52 Caller Oh, is that it? Yes. And I also want to know if you were like, if you were just going to be doing the solo for a while or if you were planning to maybe rejoin in a group again or?

1:06:03 Dave Navarro You know what? I plan to put a group together for the music I'm doing. And you know, I mean, who's to say what's going to happen? You know, as it stands right now, I don't necessarily want to step into another band that's already in motion because I really like having the time to do what I need to do and to investigate and pursue other directions. And, you know, not being in a band allows me to do that. But at the same time, there's something about the big machine of a rock band that I like.

1:06:26 Caller So, yeah, I can't wait.

1:06:28 Caller I can't wait to hear your solo album comes out.

1:06:31 Dave Navarro I'm so excited that that's very nice.

1:06:33 Adam Hey, Kelly, you got a computer.

1:06:35 Caller Yeah.

1:06:36 Adam Why don't you check the www dot six, seven, six, seven.com. And you can get all caught up on Dave.

1:06:44 Caller Do you get six, seven, six, seven from your birthday?

1:06:47 Dave Navarro Very, very good.

1:06:49 Adam I know you need some therapy, Kelly. You're in deep now, baby. All right. Thanks for the call.

1:06:54 Caller Okay.

1:06:56 Adam Amy.

1:06:57 Caller Yeah.

1:06:58 Adam You're 18. What's up?

1:06:59 Caller Um, well, my boyfriend likes, he likes trying anal sex. He wants to try it and I'm down to try it, too. But it hurts. And I even asked my boss and because he's gay and how he does it, but he doesn't.

1:07:17 Drew How did that conversation go down?

1:07:18 Caller And I wanted to know how I could just do it like without pain.

1:07:22 Drew What kind of job do you work at? Wait a minute. Okay. Well, first of all, some people, it just hurts and that's it. You can't do it. It's so painful. Well, then don't do it.

1:07:30 Caller That's it.

1:07:31 Adam I'm going with video store. Something has to do with yogurt. Self-swirl perhaps.

1:07:35 Caller Well, how can those porno videos have like, like they're practically totally like doing it like.

1:07:40 Dave Navarro Some people have different.

1:07:41 Adam Yeah. Those chicks are pretty high. They're kind of coked up too.

1:07:45 Dave Navarro They're like gymnasts.

1:07:46 Adam Amy, where do you work? What kind of place?

1:07:49 Caller I'd rather not say.

1:07:50 Drew Well, what kind of place?

1:07:51 Adam Type of place.

1:07:51 Caller Retail.

1:07:53 Dave Navarro What do you sell?

1:07:55 Caller Like TV equipment and stuff.

1:07:57 Caller All right.

1:07:57 Dave Navarro What's the name of the place?

1:07:59 Caller I can't see.

1:08:02 Adam You know what it's like about TV places? There's four or five hundred TVs in the window. So you go, all right, give me one of them.

1:08:08 Caller There's no window.

1:08:09 Adam No windows. I like that.

1:08:12 Caller Too many robberies.

1:08:13 Adam Oh, we have too many people like back in vans up the road, huh? Hey, Amy, that's nice that you have that kind of relationship with your boss, by the way. Hey, Bert, come here. Bert, you're gay, right? Yeah. How's your ass take the strain? Seriously, Bert. I mean, don't you wince with pain every time your boyfriend mounts you?

1:08:36 Caller Yeah, but I want to.

1:08:38 Adam All right.

1:08:38 Drew Well, Amy, why do you want to?

1:08:40 Adam God, if it hurts.

1:08:41 Caller Because I eventually feel like at some moment it'll start feeling good. Because, you know, when you're a virgin and after that hurts and after that feels good.

1:08:52 Dave Navarro I think that's more designed to eventually feel good. Yeah.

1:08:55 Adam Yeah. God had that plan in mind. So you women would come back for a second helping. But the anus, he left off the list. Let me explain when it'll start feeling good. When there's a tear and a relief and the pressure. When the dam breaks. Do you know what I'm saying, Amy? Ouch. Yep. And let me tell you what happens to you women when you tear. Now you just have one big one.

1:09:17 Dave Navarro Like an episiotomy.

1:09:19 Adam That's right.

1:09:20 Dave Navarro That is a really spooky concept.

1:09:22 Adam It just keeps going. Hey, it's spooky for everyone. The doctor, the orderlies. That's very spooky. Isn't it, Drew?

1:09:29 Drew No.

1:09:30 Adam It's not?

1:09:30 Drew No. This is much less of a deal than you'd think.

1:09:33 Adam No, I find that spooky.

1:09:35 Drew I think it's be spooky for the woman having it done. But they say not to mind. You don't use any anesthesia.

1:09:39 Caller No, please.

1:09:41 Dave Navarro Come on.

1:09:42 Adam I can't imagine that.

1:09:43 Drew It's already all stretched out and they don't have a lot of pain.

1:09:46 Dave Navarro That's where the phrase honeymoon stitch comes from, isn't it? They would sew it up one extra one.

1:09:51 Adam The episiotomy, for those of you who don't know, is when a woman has a baby, so it's not to rip the vagina and the rectum and the rectum and turn it into one big swimming hole. They actually make a little incision in the bottom of them.

1:10:09 Caller I love you.

1:10:09 Drew Take your finger and you go, Oh, do you use snippers?

1:10:12 Caller Oh, no, no, no way.

1:10:16 Drew Well, first of all, here's the deal.

1:10:18 Adam I'm getting my tubes tied because I'm not having any kids.

1:10:21 Drew Here's the deal. The kid's head is pushing down, so the whole thing gets all stretched out like that, and you just go, shing, shing, shing, and it opens it up like that, and out it comes.

1:10:30 Adam No, listen. That's why I can't.

1:10:32 Drew Otherwise, it rips.

1:10:33 Adam Listen, this is why I can't be a doctor and Dave can't either, because I can't put a hook in a fish. When I'm fishing, like they go, here's what you do. You take this little sardine, you take the hook, you put it through his nose, and then you throw it in the water and it'll swim. And I can't take this hook and put it through a live thing. I can't press it up through its palate and pop it out its nose. If I can't do that to a sardine, there's no way I could do that to a woman. Okay, Drew? So listen, any of you pregnant chicks that want to go camping with me?

1:11:06 Drew Forget it.

1:11:07 Adam No way. It ain't happening.

1:11:09 Drew You're tearing. That's all.

1:11:10 Adam Now, those of you who want to get pregnant who want to go camping, that's a totally different subject.

1:11:14 Dave Navarro But there's always C-section as an alternative.

1:11:17 Drew Well, yeah, but everybody gets all upset about that. Oh, that's not natural.

1:11:20 Dave Navarro Really?

1:11:21 Adam No, but I hear it's now what, because of insurance, aren't most deliveries done via that section? Look into that, Drew.

1:11:30 Drew Most?

1:11:31 Adam Well, I mean, you know, 55 percent or something.

1:11:33 Dave Navarro We can make an appointment for them. We can set it up.

1:11:36 Drew Yeah, it's safe.

1:11:38 Adam I heard because of lawsuits and things like that, that hospitals will just go, if there's any kind of problem whatsoever, it's immediately just C-section. And it's a way to sort of dodge a bullet. Yes. From a litigation standpoint.

1:11:52 Drew Keeping safer, yeah.

1:11:53 Adam All right, we're going to take a little break. Oh, the snippers with the episiotomy. Disgusting. We'll be back after this. The Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Drew. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. He just has taken a quick tinkle and he'll be back in the studio. I would say about 20 seconds or so.

1:12:11 Drew No, I'm even more than that.

1:12:13 Adam Oh, number two? I don't know. Our Lady Peace is going to be in here tomorrow night. We've had them on the radio, I do believe. Yes. And it wasn't too long ago. Maybe nine months? Eight, nine months? All right, six or nine months ago. So I have, as you know, we don't remember guests who were on the show, but I do remember them and I predict a good show. Oh, good. All right, so again, Dave Navarro here tonight and he's got a book coming out. He's got a solo project coming out. He has a BM coming out and now he's back in the studio. And again, www.6767.com. And if you want to send Dave a birthday present on, what would it be, June 7th? Then you know, that's how we got the date. Todd?

1:13:11 Caller Yeah.

1:13:12 Adam You're 27.

1:13:13 Caller Good evening, gentlemen. How are you?

1:13:14 Dave Navarro Hello, Todd.

1:13:15 Caller I'm pleased to talk to you guys. I'm one of your silent listeners.

1:13:19 Adam Thank you.

1:13:21 Caller I got a question for you. Well, first of all, Adam, thank you for furthering the cause of all actors. I'm an actor for You Don't Take Any BS from the Business.

1:13:30 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:13:31 Caller A lot of actors think that they're sort of supposed to submit to any kind of power trip anybody's supposed to give them.

1:13:38 Adam Yeah, I'm with you. The audition process is a very degrading one.

1:13:42 Caller And it's just, you know, you got to stand up for yourself, especially, you know, you read not too long ago about this Tom Schell review.

1:13:48 Adam Oh, yes.

1:13:50 Caller You know what?

1:13:50 Drew Yours?

1:13:51 Adam Oh, yes.

1:13:53 Caller You got a radio show. You're doing commercials.

1:13:55 Adam Tom, Tom Schales, a pretty high powered critic or reviewer. Boy, he called me, I think, on the fifth step to becoming a werewolf.

1:14:08 Drew Cro-Magnum.

1:14:09 Adam Cro-Magnum, a clod, an idiot. He said I had no showmanship.

1:14:14 Caller Which is really constructive.

1:14:15 Adam I thoroughly disagree with because anyone knows me knows I'm the Liberace of radio.

1:14:19 Drew Well, no, I am. I spend my time preening.

1:14:21 Adam Yes. Drew comes in here with a sequins cape on each night and thanks his brother George. And we have a candelabra here that Dave will attest to. And yeah, he really dug into me in a big way.

1:14:36 Caller As long as you're sprinkling glitter from the ceiling, that'll, you know.

1:14:40 Adam That's fine. But how's the acting going there, Todd?

1:14:43 Caller It's going fine. It's just, you know, I've been a burger professional for about four years. I moved to Chicago because, I mean, a lot of people think, you know, New York and LA is the answer. But, you know, there's a million ways to get there. But the thing is, if you want to act, you just do it.

1:14:57 Adam Right.

1:14:58 Caller And you just step up and you do it, if that's what you do.

1:15:01 Adam Well, I think there might be a certain strategy to going to a slightly smaller pond and becoming a slightly bigger fish.

1:15:08 Dave Navarro You can hone your craft that way, too.

1:15:10 Adam Right.

1:15:10 Caller Definitely.

1:15:11 Adam All right, Todd, what's up with you tonight?

1:15:13 Caller Thing is, I met this, I have a good friend who worked with this gal this summer, and she told me all about her and said she's terrific and all those kind of things.

1:15:22 Drew And other actors?

1:15:24 Caller She doesn't know what she wants to do, but she might as well be an actor. She's very dramatic. So she's in town for a theater gig for three weeks, and I've met her and she's terrific. She's good-looking. She's fiercely intelligent. She's very funny. She's very...

1:15:41 Drew But she's dramatic.

1:15:43 Caller Yeah, which is fine with me.

1:15:44 Drew What does that mean?

1:15:46 Caller She's just a little bit of a drama queen. It's hard to explain. She just...

1:15:54 Adam All right. Well, so what's the question?

1:15:56 Caller My question is, she brought in a couple of stuffed animals she sleeps with. And well, after a relationship I had this summer, I decided I'm not going to date girls anymore. I'm just going to date women. And she sleeps with a couple of stuffed animals, and I was curious if that means anything. Am I reading into it too much?

1:16:19 Drew I can only tell you that I've certainly noticed a pattern about women who come into hospitals and bring stuffed animals, and it's not a good thing.

1:16:29 Adam It isn't.

1:16:29 Drew No.

1:16:31 Dave Navarro Yeah. Why is that?

1:16:34 Drew I don't know, but it correlates very strongly with borderline and primitive personality disorders. Really?

1:16:39 Adam Well, doesn't it speak of a certain immaturity as well?

1:16:43 Drew Yeah, a stuckness, a developmental stuckness.

1:16:46 Dave Navarro Isn't there a possibility of a case of playfulness, perhaps?

1:16:49 Drew Yeah, but in terms of patients who come into a hospital-

1:16:53 Dave Navarro As they go so far as to bring a toothbrush and an animal.

1:16:56 Drew It's like 100 percent.

1:16:57 Dave Navarro I got you.

1:16:57 Drew But in terms of other aspects of life, I don't know. Maybe it can be just playful.

1:17:02 Caller Because my friend who was raving about her also said that she's always dating guys who treat her real badly. There you go.

1:17:10 Drew She's dramatic, stuffed animals, abusive relationships. Yeah, Adam, what's the score?

1:17:17 Adam It's 24-0. Todd, here's the thing. She's in town for three weeks, all right? You'll never experience the dark side. Have fun. That's what I say. And here's what I like about a stuffed animal. It's like a piece of them that they left on the bed. And if things go south, you can take it out on a stuffed animal and they'll go nuts. You know what I mean? Like where you grab Yertle the Turtle or Barney and you freak out on the stuffed animal. You know what I mean? Like you can actually...

1:17:51 Drew Like a hostage.

1:17:52 Adam You take the stuffed animal, like go run over it in your car or something and you freak them out. Yeah, you can take a hostage. You can take a Babar and burn him out in the barbecue and the chick will go nuts. It's great. That's why I recommend whenever you get in a relationship, but don't tell them that you like anything. Because you get... Like here's what I'm saying.

1:18:14 Drew We're always talking to get your car.

1:18:16 Adam You have some sort of collection, some sort of prize collection, like guys collect stuff. Model boats, model planes, whatever you're into, a CD collection, an old jukebox or something. If your woman knows you truly cherish this one thing, and then you get busted for cheating or something, let me tell you what's going. Let me tell you what she's putting her foot through while you're out of town. It's the jukebox, it's the collection, whatever that is. So, travel lightly.

1:18:47 Dave Navarro And given the options, I'd much prefer that.

1:18:50 Adam Much prefer that they put the foot through the jukebox and you?

1:18:53 Dave Navarro Yeah, well no, then go out and, well frankly I wouldn't cheat to begin with, but if, say that were the case, I'd rather have them break some hypothetical thing I cherish than go out and do the same.

1:19:04 Adam Right, right. Well you may get both.

1:19:06 Dave Navarro Oh, that's not good.

1:19:08 Adam Yeah. Now you're out of jukebox and some pride.

1:19:11 Dave Navarro And a heart.

1:19:12 Adam Bonnie, you're 24.

1:19:14 Caller I had a question for Dave, actually.

1:19:16 Caller Hi, Bonnie. Hi. I was just wondering, I know it's a solo project, but who do you plan on having play on spread?

1:19:24 Dave Navarro I don't know yet. The thing is that for primarily, I mean, most of the stuff in the studio, I'm doing myself.

1:19:30 Caller You are?

1:19:30 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:19:31 Adam What instruments do you play? I mean, beside guitar?

1:19:35 Dave Navarro Piano, bass, you know, whatever, whatever else. I'm doing some programming and some electronics. And there's a guy in the studio with me, a guy named Rich Costi, who's doing a lot of electronic stuff and computer work. He's, I call it the Costi Magic.

1:19:51 Adam And you lay these tracks down separately, obviously, and then just put the whole thing together.

1:19:58 Dave Navarro Right.

1:19:58 Adam I find that amazing, by the way, when someone comes out with an album and they played all the instruments on it.

1:20:04 Dave Navarro Right.

1:20:04 Adam That is like one of the most impressive feats ever. I can play, oh, wait a minute, I play.

1:20:09 Dave Navarro You play guitar, don't you?

1:20:10 Adam That's right. That's right.

1:20:11 Dave Navarro I've heard you play guitar.

1:20:12 Adam I forgot about that. Thanks, Dave. And saxophone. Yeah, we'll jam one day, Dave.

1:20:15 Dave Navarro Well, the thing is that, as far, and then there's a guy named John Bryan who came down today. He produced Les Fionna Apple record. And so what's happening now is there's some other people putting some input into it and kind of broadening the musical vision, which is good, because having it be just my own, it tends to get a little one-dimensional.

1:20:33 Caller Do you plan on touring, like when you release and...

1:20:36 Dave Navarro Yeah, I do. But in order to answer your original question, I haven't put the band together yet because I don't know what the lineup would be.

1:20:42 Caller Oh, I see.

1:20:43 Dave Navarro See, because I don't know what kind of instrumentation is happening.

1:20:45 Caller I also saw the picture that's up on, was it Guitar Center on Sunset? That's a beautiful picture. I don't know if it's still up there. I was there a few months ago and I just, I loved the picture. It was so great.

1:20:56 Dave Navarro Well, thanks.

1:20:57 Adam On the Guitar Walk of Fame there?

1:20:59 Caller Yeah.

1:21:01 Adam In front of that big Guitar Center.

1:21:02 Caller Where was that taken? Was that in your home?

1:21:04 Dave Navarro I was taken to my bedroom.

1:21:05 Caller Oh, it was?

1:21:06 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:21:06 That's such a beautiful picture of you. Thanks.

1:21:09 Adam All right, Bonnie.

1:21:09 Caller Thanks, Bonnie.

1:21:10 Adam Thank you. Yeah, it's amazing what big business this place is. You ever go into one of these Guitar Center type places? No. Just, you'd think they'd only need one for the country. I mean, it's just a huge warehouse with tons and tons of amps, mics, guitars. I mean, you don't realize how many, you know, how big a business this is until you go and look at the overhead in a place like that.

1:21:36 Dave Navarro Yeah, you can get lost in there.

1:21:37 Adam Yeah. Yeah. It's a real, it's a nice dicey element in there, too.

1:21:42 Dave Navarro They have a little wet bar in the back.

1:21:44 Adam I bought a cordless mic for a little karaoke guy singing, you know, as a.

1:21:49 Dave Navarro I was in San Francisco last weekend. There was a guy singing karaoke in his car. Oh, that's amazing.

1:21:55 Drew Practicing.

1:21:56 Dave Navarro He had a mic. He was holding the mic and he had amplification.

1:22:00 Drew So you could hear it.

1:22:01 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:22:01 Drew Oh boy.

1:22:02 Dave Navarro Yeah. It was a little strange.

1:22:03 Adam Oh, my friend, Asian fella. My friend Daniel, what a surprise. He's going to be upset because he came up with karaoke. Oh, you get the Mr. Microphone. That goes into your stereo stereo. So you have six, eight speakers in your car. You pop this karaoke CD in the CD player.

1:22:21 Drew Hey, if you're on a long trip or something, come on. See the commercials now.

1:22:26 Adam Yeah. You get to hear like a hotel California for the 150th time as you drive around the passengers.

1:22:34 Drew Kids in the car. Just think how that would sound. Hey, we got to go to break.

1:22:36 Adam All right. Hold on. Ryan. Yeah. Your girlfriend didn't bleed first time they had sex. And you want to know if your penis is too small. That's correct.

1:22:46 Dave Navarro Maybe it did bleed the first time she had sex.

1:22:48 Drew Aren't guys amazing?

1:22:49 Adam Hold on a second there, Ryan.

1:22:50 Drew It's foggy. A little smoggy. Is it because my penis is too small? It's just.

1:22:55 Dave Navarro It is, isn't it?

1:22:56 Drew It's just everything is a preoccupation with that.

1:22:58 Adam All right. We will take ourselves a little break. We have Dave Navarro here and we'll get back to our Ryan's unusually small penis after this. Loveline. I'm Adam. That is Drew. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. Check his upcoming projects out on www.6767.com. And that's probably the fastest, easiest way to get caught up on.

1:23:20 Drew And he's at the Dr. drew.com show tonight.

1:23:22 Adam OK.

1:23:22 Dave Navarro That's a lot of fun.

1:23:23 Drew We're going to link with his site.

1:23:25 Adam What is that site there, Drew?

1:23:27 Drew My site?

1:23:27 Dave Navarro Sure.

1:23:28 Drew It's www.drdrew.com. It's an interesting site. How would you describe it, Dave?

1:23:34 Dave Navarro Interesting. It's a streaming video show. It's a television show, but on the internet.

1:23:40 Drew And we have lots of health information. We're linked to the National Institute of Health. There's tons of information there.

1:23:44 Adam And when we see Dave's interview on that?

1:23:47 Drew It was live tonight, and it will probably archive up tomorrow. You'll be able to pull it up anytime.

1:23:53 Adam You've talked to quite a few celebrities. Do you go to the archival site to find the person?

1:23:59 Drew Yeah, you go to dr.drew.com and the right column it just has a show of the day.

1:24:03 Adam Link 182 and Dave Navarro, whoever you want to talk to.

1:24:05 Drew Yep, whatever you want to say, except for me. All right.

1:24:08 Adam Ryan, sure.

1:24:09 Drew Do you?

1:24:10 I don't want that really.

1:24:12 Drew I don't think so.

1:24:13 Adam I wouldn't mind if I'm out in that area. Are you buying dinner or anything?

1:24:17 Drew Sure.

1:24:17 Dave Navarro It's pretty exciting technology, though.

1:24:19 Adam Everyone's been, I really should do it just to say, so I know what everyone's talking about when we come back here. Ryan?

1:24:25 Yeah.

1:24:26 Drew All right.

1:24:26 Adam So 18, your girlfriend didn't bleed the first time he had sex with her.

1:24:30 Caller Right.

1:24:30 Adam And that was the first time she had sex.

1:24:32 That's correct.

1:24:33 Caller How old was she?

1:24:35 How old is she? 17.

1:24:36 Caller Okay.

1:24:37 Adam And you heard that she should bleed.

1:24:39 Caller Right.

1:24:40 That's like what I'd heard from all my friends, like every time they'd ever.

1:24:43 Adam And you want to know if your penis wasn't large enough to do any damage.

1:24:47 Well, I was thinking that, but like, I don't know, I've never had concerns like really about it because, you know, I've been told by a few folks that, you know, it's adequately sized, but like lengthwise, it's fine, but like thickness, it's not the biggest.

1:25:01 Adam Yeah. Miss a little girth there.

1:25:03 Dave Navarro But if it's okay lengthwise, shouldn't that be sufficient enough to break a hymen?

1:25:07 Adam Right.

1:25:08 That's what I thought.

1:25:08 Adam Well, what I'll do to play it safe when I'm with a virgin is put my penis in sideways, really get that extra width in there and really cause some rupturing and some bleeding.

1:25:20 Drew Not everybody bleeds the first time, Ryan. It's not necessarily the case.

1:25:24 Adam Is it even the norm?

1:25:27 Drew After a certain age, yeah, it would be probably more common than not.

1:25:31 Dave Navarro These are the ways that women can break that thing.

1:25:34 Right.

1:25:35 Drew That's the point.

1:25:36 Dave Navarro Perhaps it has happened already and she's not even aware of it.

1:25:39 Adam Did you feel anything rupture, Ryan?

1:25:42 No, not at all. Well, like we tried before, too. Like we tried before, it was like way too tight and I couldn't get in.

1:25:48 Dave Navarro Right.

1:25:49 And then like this time, I don't know if something was different. It was like.

1:25:51 Drew She wasn't so nervous.

1:25:53 Right.

1:25:53 Drew Yeah, that's what it is.

1:25:54 That's what that's what I had thought possibly.

1:25:56 Drew That's accurate.

1:25:58 Adam You're fine there, Ryan.

1:26:00 All right. All right.

1:26:00 Adam Drew, what do you mean after a certain age? I thought after a certain age, you wouldn't be bleeding.

1:26:04 Drew No, that's what I thought you had said.

1:26:05 Adam Oh, okay. All right. I'd really like to look into this. I was always sort of under the impersonation, an impression that when a woman was a virgin at a slightly more advanced age, you know, at least by our standards, 17, 18, 19, 20, that the hymen was probably gone at that point anyway.

1:26:25 Drew Could well be.

1:26:25 Adam Probably perished at the kind of college office or in a fire or something like that.

1:26:30 Drew Yeah, perished in a fire probably.

1:26:31 Adam Well, I'm just saying, I'm speculating, Drew. I don't know what happened to the hymen. Susan?

1:26:36 Caller Yes?

1:26:37 Adam You're 30.

1:26:38 Caller What's up?

1:26:40 Caller I want to know why I always, I want a commitment, but I always seem to pick the guys that don't give me that. I always seem to pick the same kind of guy that, you know, they're not going to commit to me.

1:26:52 Adam Well, tell us about some of these guys you've committed to, haven't committed to you.

1:26:57 Caller Like what do you want to know? They're just young, I date younger guys.

1:27:02 Adam We ever married?

1:27:03 Caller Yes, once.

1:27:04 Drew This is such a pattern.

1:27:05 Adam He committed, didn't he?

1:27:07 Caller Not really, he had no choice.

1:27:09 Dave Navarro He had no choice?

1:27:10 Caller Right.

1:27:11 Dave Navarro Why is that?

1:27:12 Caller Because I was pregnant.

1:27:14 Dave Navarro Well, he had a choice.

1:27:15 Caller Not really, he would have lost his job if he didn't marry me.

1:27:17 Caller Wow.

1:27:18 Drew What was his job?

1:27:19 Caller He was a sheriff's deputy.

1:27:21 Caller Really?

1:27:22 Drew Were you underage?

1:27:24 Caller I was very, my ex-husband is a lot older than I am.

1:27:28 Adam Okay, were you underage?

1:27:30 Caller No.

1:27:30 Adam Okay.

1:27:32 Caller He would have lost his job.

1:27:33 Adam Susan?

1:27:34 Caller Yeah?

1:27:34 Adam Well, here's the common denominator.

1:27:38 Caller You.

1:27:39 Adam You're the one who's involved with all these relationships.

1:27:42 Caller Right.

1:27:42 Adam Now, there are a lot of guys who don't want to commit. On the other hand, there are plenty of guys who will commit.

1:27:47 Caller Okay.

1:27:48 Adam Short fat guys who make less than 35 grand a year are perfectly willing to commit to a long-term relationship.

1:27:55 Caller Right.

1:27:55 Adam Now, you're not finding those guys.

1:27:58 Caller No.

1:27:58 Adam So that's the question. Why aren't you finding those guys, not what's wrong with guys?

1:28:03 Caller Because they're boring.

1:28:04 Adam Those guys. Uh-uh. Yeah.

1:28:07 Caller Because the ones I... Okay, I've dated a couple that want to commit and all they want to do is sit in front of the TV, watch TV and drink their beer or whatever and that's not what I'm into.

1:28:17 Drew What are you into?

1:28:19 Caller I like to go out and do things, not just sit and watch TV all day.

1:28:24 Dave Navarro So those are the kind of guys that you've been seeing that want to commit or the kind of guys that just basically want to take the easy way.

1:28:31 Caller To do what?

1:28:32 Dave Navarro They just want to take the easy way. So committing to them means they don't have to try anymore.

1:28:35 Caller Right.

1:28:37 Adam You want to have your cake and eat it too. But it's not quite as simple as you're making it, Susan.

1:28:43 Caller Yeah, but why do I always pick the ones that... Why do I always choose to stay with the ones that aren't going to commit to me?

1:28:49 Adam Because they got a certain energy that you're attracted to and we'll try to get to the bottom of it. So where's your dad?

1:28:55 Caller Um, he's alive.

1:28:57 Adam He's alive? All right. Well, that's good.

1:29:00 Caller We don't get along.

1:29:01 Adam Is he incarcerated?

1:29:02 Caller No, no, no, no. We just don't get along.

1:29:04 Adam Why not?

1:29:06 Caller I've made a few bad choices in my life and he, you know, didn't like those choices, so...

1:29:12 Drew Like what?

1:29:13 Caller Um, had a child and he didn't want me to keep this child and I kept this child and he just wasn't too happy with me.

1:29:22 Adam And so he abandoned you or?

1:29:24 Caller Oh no, he just doesn't talk to me.

1:29:26 Drew Were you doing drugs or alcohol all the time?

1:29:27 Caller Oh, never.

1:29:28 Caller I don't do that.

1:29:29 Caller Never have.

1:29:30 Adam So your dad just stopped talking to you?

1:29:32 Caller Yeah, when he does talk to me, he's asked me about my son and, you know, that kind of thing, but...

1:29:37 Dave Navarro Is he still with your mother?

1:29:39 Caller No.

1:29:39 Adam Then did he cheat on your mother?

1:29:41 Caller Oh, yeah.

1:29:43 Adam Yeah.

1:29:44 Dave Navarro Because we were talking about this earlier. I mean, a lot of times we tend to look for people that, that mirror our parents.

1:29:51 Adam Oh, yes. And it wasn't a coincidence that I asked if he cheated on your mother. And I'll bet some of your guys have done some cheating on you, too, right?

1:29:59 Caller I'm sure I've cheated on them, too.

1:30:01 Drew All right. Either she cheats first or they cheat.

1:30:04 Adam Okay. So, listen, Susan, you need chaos in your relationships, essentially.

1:30:08 Caller That's what I've been told.

1:30:10 Caller So, okay, how do I break the cycle?

1:30:11 Adam Well, first you go to www.6767.com and you look at some pictures.

1:30:17 Caller That'll break the chaos.

1:30:18 Adam Of a Kurt Loder and that should have a calming effect on you.

1:30:22 Caller Okay.

1:30:22 Drew Yeah, you've got to stop going for guys that are exciting.

1:30:27 Adam Well, here's the thing. Boring to you is really just stable.

1:30:32 Drew Yeah, just available.

1:30:33 Adam Available and stable guys. And I hate to keep getting back to this, but you're in a cycle that you're not breaking. You need to probably take some time, get away from the cycle, read a book, do a little therapy, do some yoga or something. And sort of get your ass together. I mean, it's a pretty simple equation, which is you're on a cycle, and it's not a good cycle. So what you need to do is get off that treadmill for a second and just stand back. Take six months off, don't date. You may not have the most exciting six months, but, and I know how painful it is to be alone with that silence, because when it's only your own voice, it's painful, but it's an important thing. I think everyone should do that at a certain point in their life, all right? I'll be at the strip club.

1:31:19 Caller Eric?

1:31:21 Adam Yeah. You're 18.

1:31:22 Dave Navarro What's up, Eric?

1:31:24 Caller I was just trying to go to sleep.

1:31:26 Caller You guys took forever, man.

1:31:27 Adam All righty. All right, well, I'm gonna put him on hold for another second. What do you think his attitude? Chris?

1:31:33 Drew No, no, go to one.

1:31:34 Adam You wanna go to one? All right. Hey, Tom?

1:31:37 Caller Yeah.

1:31:37 Adam You're 30?

1:31:38 Caller Yes, I am.

1:31:39 Caller Hey, Tom.

1:31:39 Adam You got an eight-year-old daughter who just started her period?

1:31:42 Caller Yeah, she was at school, and we got a call from school saying that she was spotting or...

1:31:48 Drew Go to the pediatrician now.

1:31:51 Caller Really?

1:31:51 Drew Yeah.

1:31:52 Adam What could this mean, Drew?

1:31:54 Drew Lots of things. There is precocious puberty. I mean, does she have any other characteristics of...

1:31:59 Caller She's very tall for her age, and she has started to break out, I would say, about six months ago.

1:32:04 Drew Does she have hair development?

1:32:06 Caller What's that?

1:32:06 Drew Hair or breast growth?

1:32:09 Caller No, very little hair growth and no breast.

1:32:13 Drew Okay. Well, get her checked out. It may just be her genetics expressing themselves, but there are lots of other things of medical relevance that can do this and needs to be checked out.

1:32:24 Adam So it's not necessarily the period?

1:32:26 Drew Not. Well, it's endometrial bleeding. I mean, one of them is somebody's abusing her and something ruptured. I don't know. But yeah, it's probably coming from the uterus, but it's not probably the result of normal cycling.

1:32:38 Adam Okay.

1:32:39 Drew Something else.

1:32:39 Adam But you got to get her in there.

1:32:40 Drew Yeah.

1:32:41 Adam Oh, boy. See why you don't want a daughter?

1:32:45 Caller All right.

1:32:46 Adam We'll take a little break. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. We'll be back after this. So, that is the Fabulous Radio Show. Our lady piece will be in here tomorrow night. I want to thank Dave Navarro for coming in.

1:32:56 Dave Navarro Thank you.

1:32:57 Adam It was a good time.

1:32:59 Dave Navarro Good time was had by all.

1:33:00 Adam Thank you. And you're welcome back anytime you like.

1:33:04 Dave Navarro Thanks a lot.

1:33:05 Adam As a matter of fact, when the new CD comes out or the book comes out, by all means, come back.

1:33:11 Dave Navarro Give it a plug. I will.

1:33:12 Adam Until then, www.6767.com and you can keep abreast of Dave's artistic progress. So until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:33:27 Drew I've had anal sex.

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Monday, November 8, 1999