Episode 1000754887312

8:55 Voiceover This is McBurnard, Delta Audience. Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, coast to coast.

9:14 Hey, it is Loveline.

9:15 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. It's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-LEVE-191. Facts number 3108-54-4455. Dr. Drew is a Board Certified Physician and Dixon Medicine Specialist.

9:26 Drew And Adam just walked in the door. Very nice.

9:28 Adam How dare you? I've been in my seat for 13 seconds now.

9:33 Drew I've not been in your seat yet.

9:35 Adam Yes, I've been in Drew's seat. I'm going to see if I can fart it up before I leave.

9:38 Drew No, actually, I asked Adam to let me in out. Since tonight, we're being visited by Children of the Night, which is an organization designed to help adolescents 11 to 17 year olds. And you are a therapist or a?

9:50 Guest Actually, I'm the program director.

9:51 Drew McValley is the program director. We have one of the, what we call, anna graduate or participants or how to?

9:56 Participants.

9:57 Drew Participants at Children of the Night. Anna, Adam, you're right.

10:00 Adam Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to get your seat to rock backward. I mean, I like to recline during the show.

10:06 Drew Just put your feet up on the bed.

10:06 Adam Where is that thing? Don't you do that?

10:08 Drew Yeah, yeah.

10:09 Adam Who locked it out?

10:10 Drew It just does that. There you go.

10:11 Adam I see. Now I can nap finally. Go ahead with the inner future.

10:15 Guest So I'm going to get comfortable over here.

10:17 Drew For purposes of the rest of the country, there is a huge concert that Carolla is putting on this weekend called the Acoustic Christmas and many of the proceeds from that concert are going to Children of the Night.

10:26 Adam It's also going to the Tripp Reeb Get Another Turbo Forge Fund. I don't know if you're aware of that.

10:30 Drew That's the fallout of the night.

10:32 Adam Whatever's left over from that is going directly, if there is any.

10:36 Drew That's right.

10:36 Adam And Tripp told me personally that if he comes up short this year, he's going to actually dip into the Children of the Night Fund to help pay it off.

10:45 Drew I'm sort of more struck by the fact that Tripp called you. That's what scares me.

10:48 Adam Well, we ran into each other in the hall. We were at an auto auction. But anyway, where are you guys? Is your, are you over on Gower?

10:56 Guest No, actually Children of the Night is in Van Nuys. We ran a walking center in Hollywood for many years, but we've moved to the Valley. We've been out there since 1992.

11:04 Adam You're really moving up. Where are you in Van Nuys?

11:06 Guest We're in Van Nuys, right near the police station.

11:09 Drew You're actually a residential center though.

11:11 Guest We have, well we have a hotline that's nationwide. We have an outreach program that goes out on the streets in different parts of the city and also different states.

11:17 Drew How do you define what is your program does?

11:20 Guest Children of the Night is a privately funded non-profit that works specifically with kids involved in prostitution.

11:26 Drew Not just drugs and alcohol but specifically.

11:28 Guest Specifically kids involved in prostitution.

11:29 Drew And then obviously that usually encompasses all sorts of other things.

11:33 Guest Most of them are kids that have been abused and have wandered up on the streets.

11:36 Adam What is the percentage of males to females?

11:41 Guest Our program tends to work more with females than males. We work with about 80% female. Our boys tend to be gay or cross dressers.

11:49 Adam Yeah. There's no... God knows. If there was male prostitution that catered to young women, it wouldn't be a problem.

11:58 Drew It would.

11:58 Adam You know what I mean? I mean, there wouldn't be a flopping in a place.

12:01 Drew You mean basically all males would participate.

12:03 Adam I'd do it. I would have done it. You know what I mean? People don't understand this. I think they watched American Jiggle-O too many times or something. Like female prostitutes service males and male prostitutes service males. There you go. Yeah, that's the downside of the prostitution game for the guys. And most of these people, are they from somewhere around the country and not from here?

12:25 Guest Our kids are from all over. We have kids from Vancouver. We have kids from Vegas. We have kids from all over the country.

12:31 Adam Would you say, though, an organization like this gets more business in LA where people come, sort of disenfranchised, people chasing dreams, running away?

12:41 Guest Yeah, we still have our kids that come to Hollywood thinking that they can be movie stars or that they can be models or whatever. But for the most part, we fly kids in from all over.

12:49 Adam Oh, you fly them in?

12:50 Guest Yeah, the pimp's taken from city to city to city. So they know to call us wherever they happen to be.

12:55 Adam Really, they travel around like some sort of sex circus, huh?

13:00 Guest The minute the streets get hot with the police and the police start to realize that they're kids, not adults, and they start to, their aliases catch up with them, they just move on to a different city.

13:08 Adam Is there a market for kids, per se, or do the Johns, as we like to call them in the business, do they not know that these kids are underage?

13:17 Guest I think they kid themselves, they don't want to know that they're 14, 13 years old. And the girls lie about their age also, so that they don't get picked up as juveniles.

13:26 Adam Right. So, they actually, do they put them in a van or something, just drive across country? I mean, who are these pimps?

13:35 Drew They move. Victimizer piece, so they can see it. I don't know what they see.

13:39 Guest Absolutely, they can see it. It's unbelievable. They talk to these kids for five minutes and they become their friends. They realize that this is a kid that's gonna fall prey to their...

13:48 Adam And how do you get hold of these kids?

13:50 Guest Our outreach team goes out on the streets. They go out on the streets in Hollywood. They go out on the streets in Arizona and Las Vegas and different areas.

13:56 Adam Just a van and a butterfly net?

13:58 Guest Actually, they pass out cards. We're not in a van. We're very low-key. We pass out cards and condoms and keep moving because they're making money out there at the time. And when they want to call us, they know who to call.

14:07 Adam And when... So if they were to call you, could they go somewhere that night?

14:12 Guest Absolutely. If they call us, we have cab accounts in different cities. We can rescue them from pimps.

14:17 Drew What is the number?

14:18 Guest 1-800-551-1300.

14:21 Adam And so they could call that number. They could say, I'm in some motel right now. I want to get out of here. You could have a cab there in a matter of...

14:28 Guest Either the cab or we work real closely with law enforcement if it looks like a cab's not going to be safe for them.

14:33 Adam And they'll get them. They'll take them to where you guys are.

14:36 Guest Take them to someplace safe until we can figure out whether we can bring them in.

14:39 Adam You guys immediately will put them to work in a sweatshop in the basement, making us...

14:43 Drew Absolutely not.

14:44 Adam Knock off Gucci bags that are being shipped to Indonesia. Well, they gotta earn their keep, don't they?

14:48 Drew You haven't asked anything of Anna yet, who is one of the...

14:51 Adam Oh, you're one of the kids?

14:52 Guest Yes.

14:53 Adam All right. Now, how old are you now?

14:54 Guest I'm 17.

14:55 Adam Oh, you're still one of the kids?

14:57 Guest Yes, I'm still one of the kids.

14:58 Drew You said she's one of the kids.

14:59 Adam She lives in New York. No, I thought that she was one of the people that... Yes, got involved. You know, it always happens, or it seems to happen a lot, or you can tell me that people get involved with the program and then they stay with it after they've recovered and now they're staying on.

15:15 Guest Right. We have an alumni program. We stick with kids for years. If they want to keep in contact with us, if they want to go to college, whatever, we can still help them.

15:21 Adam All right. So, Annie is it, by the way? Oh, Anna. And when did you first come in contact with Children of the Night?

15:27 Guest I came in contact with them on August 15th.

15:30 Adam Of this year? This year. Oh, really? So, it was a pretty quick turn around. And is your story a typical one?

15:38 Guest Not, I mean, not everybody's story is typical. There's no really typical story. Everybody has a different story.

15:45 Adam But it's a broken family usually. Not always.

15:48 Guest Not always. Some come from a very privileged family.

15:53 Adam Two kids in 20 years have come from that. But not.

15:56 Guest It's all in who they meet. It really is.

15:57 Adam Yeah, but hold on. I don't want to tell you business, but here it goes. Because I do this with everybody. That's why everyone hates me. But you have to, predominantly, your kids are made up of families that are broken, of fathers that are abusive. Trauma survivors. Yeah, people who are emotionally, physically, sexually abused.

16:19 Guest The majority of our kids have been sexually abused.

16:20 Adam And who got out of that house, drunken stepdad kind of thing. I mean, once in a while, there's somebody whose parents are together in their upper middle class or something, and they still hook up with the wrong people. But by and large, that's not your clientele, right?

16:33 Guest You know, we see it all. We really do. And it needs to be.

16:35 Adam How come no one will ever admit to one thing? What is that, Drew? How come? Hold on. You said, don't listen to this for a second. I'm not attacking, but what I'm saying is, is I know 85% of the people that walk through that door come from broken and abusive situations.

16:52 Guest So usually kids that have been sexually abused and so on.

16:53 Adam Right. So just say most all of that. Say it. Say most all the people come from this. Because it drives me nuts. It's like, no, anyone can get AIDS. Anyone can get AIDS. Well, yes. But if you're gay, if you're an HIV drug user, no, anyone can get it. Anyone can get it. I don't like that message. I mean, if your family's together and your parents love you, you shouldn't be running away. And you're probably not going to do it.

17:15 Guest But we've seen pimps that meet kids on bus stops and call them every night.

17:19 Adam It's happened, but I'm not worried about that.

17:21 Guest Okay.

17:22 Adam I'm worried about the 90 percent who have the abuse of drunken stepdad who get shoved out of the house.

17:27 Guest It's just as traumatizing for a kid who comes from a good home.

17:30 Adam No, not as bad.

17:31 Guest The family turns around, calls them a whore, and the child can never return back to that home.

17:36 Adam Yeah, but that's true. Do you remember your mom called you a whore for the first time, don't you?

17:40 Drew It's just too young to remember those early memories.

17:42 Adam But it doesn't sting as bad now around the holidays, is that what she calls you a whore?

17:45 Drew They just get used to it.

17:46 Adam Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't hear it anymore. You don't hear it. It's like you've become numb or something. I remember the first time my mom called me a slut.

17:55 Guest You look better than me now.

17:57 Adam Alright, so we'll be giving that number out. We'll be talking to these kids. And I think it's a great thing that you guys are doing, by the way. And I think it's great when you can connect with, I like the idea of the cab company, where they'll arrange transportation. I'm guessing you got some of the deals, same kind of deals working with airlines and bus companies?

18:19 Guest We don't, we don't.

18:20 Adam Bastards. Yeah, figures airlines.

18:23 Guest But the cab companies, most of them we pay, but at the same time, it's safe that Pimp doesn't know where the kids going. She's getting in the cab and just doesn't come back.

18:31 Adam So where does most of the money that you'll get from something like this benefit concert that's going on this weekend, where would that go?

18:38 Guest It all goes to providing services for the kids. We're 100% non-profit, and we're very much a grassroots organization that operates hand-to-mouth, specifically on donations that we get.

18:48 Adam And how many kids can your facility hold?

18:51 Guest We can have 24 at any given time.

18:54 Drew The usual full?

18:55 Guest Well, anywhere from about 18, 19 is our average.

18:58 Drew Are you the only program director?

19:00 Guest Yes.

19:01 Drew That is a huge job.

19:02 Adam You must need a fire hose to straighten those kids out. They get out of hand over there.

19:06 Guest They're good kids.

19:06 Adam No, they're horrible.

19:07 Guest Horrible kids.

19:10 Adam I don't blame them for being horrible because of where they come from and what they've seen and all that. But you get a couple. Well, I'm trying to think, are the guys, are they gay? A lot of the guys, are they straight who are just doing gay tricks to make money? Because I'm wondering about what happens when you take the 16-year-old girls and you mix them with the 16-year-old guys under the same roof.

19:31 Guest It works out real well when the boys are gay or cross-dressers. When they're straight, it's a whole different ball game. You know, immediately when we have a straight boy in there, the whole place turns upside down.

19:39 Adam Yeah. Not a bad angle for a crafty, horny 16-year-old guy to get himself picked up and head into the house of hookers over here and just run amok for a weekend before he gets tossed out. You know what I'm saying, Drew?

19:52 Drew I know you would have done that. I understand that.

19:53 Adam I wish I had one of those cards when I was in high school. Pick me up. I need help just for the weekend. All right. So I'm done offending everybody. I think I come from a long line of people who tried to help people. They couldn't help themselves too much, but they ended up helping. My dad was a director of education at this place called Five Acres out in Pasadena. Had a lot of troublemakers going to school over there. And I come from a long line of helpers. Drew, do you? No, Drew, you? No, they make money. Yeah, that's right. They abuse their own. Are you ready to go to the phones here, Drew?

20:31 Drew Let's do it. This is Nicole who is 20. Nicole?

20:35 Guest Yep.

20:36 Drew What's going on?

20:38 Guest Not much. I am finding it really hard to say no to having sex, like with my boyfriend that I've been with for like a year or so. And we have sex like three to four times a day, I'd say about four times a week.

20:54 Adam So you're having sex like 16 times a week? Yeah. You go to school? You are having trouble saying no, by the way. That's trouble.

21:02 Guest It's not like I don't mind it, like I really do enjoy it and stuff, but sometimes it gets like a little annoying after a little while.

21:10 Adam So you mean you may not want to say no on the first time, but on the fourth or fifth time you may want to say no?

21:15 Guest Yeah.

21:16 Adam But by then you're so dehydrated you can't talk? Sometimes.

21:22 Drew Somebody is compulsive, either he or she or both.

21:26 Guest Yeah.

21:27 Adam Yeah. Well, how old is he?

21:29 Guest He's a year younger than I am.

21:30 Adam Oh, man. He's going nuts, this kid.

21:33 Drew But is either of you a trauma survivor?

21:36 Guest No.

21:38 Adam No.

21:38 Guest No. But this has been going on like with other boyfriends that I've had too. Yeah, I see.

21:42 So I was like 17.

21:44 Drew She is.

21:45 Adam Yeah. What's up? Was your dad abusive?

21:48 No.

21:48 Adam No. You love him?

21:49 Yes.

21:50 Adam I stopped humiliating him then. Sex five times a day. Just say no then.

21:55 Drew Is there any manic depression in your family?

21:57 No.

21:57 Drew Addiction?

21:59 Guest Um, yeah.

22:00 Drew Who's the addict?

22:01 My aunt.

22:02 Drew Your aunt.

22:03 Adam Yeah. Not good enough.

22:04 Drew Who's her sister? I mean, who is she the sister of?

22:07 Guest My mom.

22:08 Drew Mom's sister. And your mom doesn't drink?

22:10 Guest No.

22:10 Adam Your parents are together?

22:12 Guest No.

22:12 Adam All right. But nobody abuses you. She has no trouble saying no when we ask her questions. Do you want to have sex? Would you like to have some sex with me?

22:21 Drew No, thank you.

22:22 Adam All right. Let's see. Not so hard.

22:23 Drew You can say no.

22:24 Adam Yeah. Girls seem to be able to muster that with me. All right. Just pretend you're looking at me when your boyfriend asks you for sex. Could you do that? Possibly. Well, do you want to say no? It seems like you can say it. It doesn't seem like you have anything up with you that's so insurmountable that you couldn't do it. Right.

22:44 Guest Well, I feel like I'd be letting him down in some way. Like a lot of times I won't go to like a call-in sick from work because I just want to stay home, you know.

22:51 Drew See, he may be sexual compulsive. Maybe she just co-dependent to all that.

22:55 Adam You know, what's your fantasy? What do you think will happen if you let him down? You think he'll break up with you?

23:00 Drew He'll leave you?

23:01 Guest I never even thought about like what he would...

23:03 Drew Why don't you think about it? Why don't you begin to tune into what you want in the relationship and go ahead and assert that? Listen, you're going on to the point to comply with his needs that you're actually harming yourself physically. You're hurting yourself.

23:14 Adam Well, I didn't say she was hurting herself.

23:17 Drew You said so far that it's annoying. It's uncomfortable.

23:19 Adam Annoying, she said. You're not hurt. You didn't sprain your vagina or anything, did you?

23:25 Drew It's not uncomfortable. No.

23:27 Adam All right. So, is that true?

23:27 Drew You're missing work and things. It's starting to have consequences. You're having consequences.

23:32 Adam You're missing work. Where do you work? In an Arby's. Where?

23:37 Guest Just at a hotel.

23:38 Adam Yeah. They don't miss you over there.

23:39 Guest I know.

23:40 Adam Plenty of qualified people. They're happy when you don't show up.

23:42 Guest Yeah.

23:43 Drew You guys have anything to add to this?

23:45 Guest What?

23:45 Guest How old were you the first time you ever had sex?

23:48 Guest I'm sorry. I didn't hear you.

23:49 Drew How old were you the first time you had sex?

23:51 Guest I was 16.

23:53 Drew All right. We expect under 12.

23:54 Adam All right. Everything's fine with you, so say no.

23:57 Drew Any of anything, Ver? Nothing? Does this sound like normal behavior to you?

24:01 Adam True. If you don't have anything to say, don't force her arm.

24:03 Guest Well, for me, I started at 11, so I don't really have anything to say about that.

24:07 Drew Was it kind of compulsive?

24:09 Guest No, it was just because my sister's kind of, it was my sister's saying, well, you should have sex because we've all had sex kind of thing.

24:18 Drew They set you up with an older guy?

24:20 Guest No, actually, I went out and found myself an older guy.

24:24 Drew And then did you become compulsive after that?

24:25 Guest No. No, I've never enjoyed it. Never. So I really don't.

24:30 Drew But some of the people that don't enjoy it still compulsive about it. No.

24:33 Adam All right. Another dead end. Drew just went down. All right. Can we let her go?

24:37 Drew Yes.

24:38 Adam She can just say no.

24:39 Drew That's right.

24:39 Adam All right. Fantastic.

24:41 Drew James.

24:43 Yes.

24:44 Drew Twenty one.

24:45 Adam All right, Drew, I'm going to have to get in that seat real soon. Yeah.

24:48 Drew What's going on?

24:49 Guest Hey, am I on?

24:50 Drew Yeah.

24:51 Guest Oh, great. First, I want to tell you guys how much of an honor it is to be on your show. I mean, I love you guys so much for everybody.

24:58 Thank you.

25:00 Guest Adam, I think you're the funniest guy around.

25:02 Adam That's true.

25:03 Guest I think actually your show should be played in every high school for a period, you know, so everybody gets to listen to it.

25:09 Drew A requirement.

25:11 Guest Yeah, a requirement so they can graduate.

25:14 Adam Yeah, maybe we take the two hours, we condense it down to one hour when we play during homeroom.

25:20 Guest Yeah, exactly. Homeroom.

25:22 Adam That'd be all right, as long as we're in for a taste. I mean, you know, we need a little scratch. That's not free. Fine. What's your question, James?

25:29 Guest Well, I've got one really serious question, but I thought of one while I was waiting. I remember hearing you guys say something about a DNA test that can tell you if you're HIV-positive or not.

25:42 Drew Right, right, right.

25:43 Guest Is that true?

25:43 Drew Yeah, it's available, and it's pretty rapidly, you know, you turn positive within two weeks on that one.

25:51 Adam Yeah, they use it in the porn industry.

25:53 Guest Yeah, so you can find out in like two weeks?

25:55 Drew I believe so.

25:56 Adam I thought it was faster.

25:57 Guest They also have one that you can do in your mouth.

26:01 Drew That's an antibody test, though. That's still six months.

26:04 Adam I thought the DNA one was immediate. You're saying it's two weeks?

26:07 Guest Yeah, it's two weeks to wait for the results.

26:09 Adam For the DNA one. And it's a little more expensive?

26:11 Drew You know, is it right away?

26:12 Guest You know, I'm not sure.

26:13 Adam It's like 50 or 60 bucks or something like that.

26:15 Drew It's more expensive in isolation. And it's hard to find. It's way in certain testing sites. But I think two weeks is the window that generally you... It may be positive within a shorter period of time, but I think two weeks is what they like to wait.

26:25 Adam All right, James, what was your serious question?

26:28 Guest Okay, well, there was one other one. I've done a lot of drugs in the past.

26:32 Adam Is this a serious one?

26:33 Guest No, this is one.

26:35 Adam Well, listen, what do you think? We're dedicating the first hour to James and his goddamn problems? That's the one you called in for, jackass.

26:43 Guest All right, you want me to tell you that one?

26:44 Adam Yeah, I'd like that one. Jesus Christ, you're sitting there like improvising. Like, you got a trace going, you got some FBI telling you to stop.

26:51 Drew This is your biggest fan, dude.

26:52 Adam I don't care, I've had enough of him.

26:54 Guest Okay, all right. There was this one night where me and this girl that I started dating, I was with my best friend, and we all had a bunch of beers and some prescription drugs. And we ended up getting really partying a lot. And then later on, we went back to my house and we ended up laying like on my bed and we were just talking. And then, you know, the girl, my she, we were just dating at the time, she crawled on top of me and we started kissing and stuff. And then I was like, well, why don't you give my friend Steve a kiss? And so he...

27:27 Drew Alright, so one thing led to another.

27:29 Adam Unless Steve is the name of your penis, that was a bad choice.

27:32 Drew And what's the question?

27:34 Guest Well, so they ended up...

27:35 Drew We know, what's the question?

27:38 Guest Why is it, why...

27:39 Adam Wait, what did they end up doing?

27:41 Guest They ended up starting to have sex. And then we had a threesome.

27:44 Adam Oh, okay, good time.

27:45 Guest Okay, and...

27:46 Adam Well, hold on, Drew, are you reading that on the screen?

27:49 Drew No, you tell it where he's going, just listen.

27:51 Adam I know, but you get to the point where he says, she gave him a kiss and then you cut him off and say, you're cutting off the good part. I didn't know they had sex. So you guys went all the way, huh?

28:01 Drew Well, Anna's shaking her head. Do you have something to say about that?

28:04 Guest Yeah, we've been...

28:04 Drew Come on.

28:05 Guest Oh, leave her alone, Drew.

28:06 Guest Disgusting.

28:06 Adam Good.

28:07 Drew It's horrible.

28:07 Guest It's absolutely revolting.

28:09 Adam True, you gotta get out of that chair, buddy. What's... So, you had sex.

28:13 Drew Isn't it magical about this chair?

28:14 Adam And you... There is when I'm in it, with you, it's just like putting a couple sandbags in it. All right, so you watched your friend have sex with your girlfriend.

28:25 Drew And the question is...

28:26 Guest And then we started... We switched off, but now it's like... That's right.

28:30 Adam Well, at least he got some.

28:31 Guest Yeah.

28:32 Adam Now?

28:32 Guest It was just like three hours long, four hours long, but anyway, like we started dating after that, me and the girl, and now I kind of like... I don't really respect her a whole lot.

28:41 Drew Can you describe her as his girlfriend?

28:43 Yeah.

28:45 Drew Was she your girlfriend when this all came down?

28:47 Guest No, we just started dating.

28:48 Drew I see. And so now you have trouble taking her seriously.

28:50 Guest I see.

28:51 Drew That's not surprising.

28:52 Adam So when you're done with the orgy, you got her phone number?

28:56 Guest Well, I know where her phone number is.

28:57 Drew Create all sorts of powerful feelings that you can't predict. Whether or not you're in a relationship and then bring a third person in, whether or not it's somebody in an acquaintance that you develop some powerful feelings for in the course of a threesome, there's still very conflicted, very powerful feelings that result. And they always, essentially always are unhealthy. It destroys relationships or it disrupts them at least. And this is not the greatest, healthiest sort of foundation for a relationship.

29:23 Adam It's doomed, James. Doomed. Do you hear me? It's not going anywhere. Just enjoy yourself. You weren't getting married to her anyway. I know. Just have some fun, see where it goes. And take the pressure off yourself. I mean, think about this, Drew. How many relationships have you freaked out over that turned out to be nothing where you could have just enjoyed them? Do you know what I mean?

29:46 Drew Yes, one, two, 75.

29:48 Adam 75, right. I mean, that's my point. Every guy does this. You get some girlfriend, you're 17 years old, she's 16. She slept with one of your buddies from the soccer team before she slept with you. You obsess about it. You have a crappy 18-month relationship where you obsess about her sleeping with one of your buddies and then you break up. Now, the reality is, you probably were going to go off to college somewhere and break up anyway. You might as well just have a good time, you know what I mean? It's like showing up to Disneyland and obsessing over when you have to leave. Just go ride the goddamn Matterhorn and when it's time to go, you go. You come back another day, right?

30:26 Drew Oh, the relationships for that simplest trip to Disneyland.

30:30 Adam Being with me is not like riding the Matterhorn, by the way.

30:32 Drew No, no.

30:33 Adam The small world.

30:33 Drew Just being a partner of yours on radio is not-

30:36 Adam All right, Jackass, you're getting right out of that seat.

30:37 Drew Yes, I am indeed.

30:38 Adam We're going to take a little break. Drew, you want to send us a break? Are you going to screw that up real quick before we go or?

30:44 Drew Oh, Adam, I want you to read it.

30:45 Adam No, you read it. That's your buddy.

30:46 Go ahead, go ahead, buddy.

30:48 Drew I'm going to talk about the guy whose girlfriend died in a car crash if you let me read it.

30:50 Adam That's fine. I'll find some humor in it.

30:52 Drew All right. Will's 18, his girlfriend died in a car crash and he is having visions where he's seeing her.

30:57 Beautiful.

30:59 Very funny.

30:59 Drew We'll be right back.

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31:20 This is the show known as Love Ride, with your hosts, Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

31:35 Adam It is Loveline. I'm Adam Carolla. That's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1.

31:41 Drew I'm just getting angry because...

31:43 Guest Hold on a second, Jack.

31:44 Adam I call Vicki Vallee and Anna are both here. Vicki works for Children of the Night. Anna is one of the Children of the Night. I guess you could call her a graduate of the program.

31:56 Guest She graduates next week.

31:57 Guest Next Friday.

31:58 Adam Oh, they do have a graduation?

31:59 Guest Yes, we have cake, balloons, we let off and each person gives the person that's graduating a wish for them.

32:08 Guest In the balloon?

32:10 Guest Well, they let go of the balloon out in the air and each balloon gets a certain wish.

32:14 Guest It's very emotional. These kids work hard for it.

32:16 Adam Right. Not to land in the Sepulveda Basin, I think would be my wish for my balloon. You guys are pretty close to Sepulveda Basin. It's God's country out there, really.

32:25 Drew So you're playing, flying around.

32:27 Adam I spent three days looking for a model airplane. I crashed in Weeds about eight feet high. It was good times. I actually brought a ladder down there and set it up so I could see in the middle of this weed field. I was like a conductor at the half time of a football game, leading the band. Anyway.

32:43 Drew God damn it, I'm pissed off now.

32:44 Adam Now, what are you mad about?

32:45 Drew Because the Children of the Night program is a 90 day program, which I think is fantastic and it just highlights for me how pathetic the medical system is right now. We have to fight for five days, seven days, ten days to hospitalize people or even to put people in a highly structured environment who have similar histories. And anyone who works with people with these sorts of issues knows, you need a month is sort of minimum, but the world at large, the medical system today will give you like four to eight days with someone.

33:11 Guest It's a benefit of being privately funded and doing it our way.

33:14 Drew But everyone knows it works.

33:16 Adam All right. Drew is knocking his coffee over. He's so excited. You care too much, Drew. I keep telling you not to care. You do keep. Take some of those sleeping pills. Wash it down with some red wine like I do. You're mellow. You're good unless you're driving. Then you're pissed as hell. That's a different situation. Phone number for any of you out there who may be between the ages of 11 and 17, or maybe an older gent in his 30s with a fake ID. The number is 1-800-551-1300. If you're on the street, if you got a pimp that's turned bad, if you got trouble, if you need a place, this is where you should go, right?

33:54 Drew It's only people who have been involved in prostitution.

33:55 Guest Those are the kids that we work with in the shelter.

33:58 Drew How do you establish that that's what they've been doing? Ask them. But I mean, they could lie to get in.

34:02 Adam Well, you sniff them.

34:04 Guest You can tell real quick. I mean, there's kids, when you're out on the street to...

34:07 Adam That's where my dog comes in. I got dogs that sniff people, you know, know where they've been, you know what I'm saying? Venereal sniffing dogs, every kind of dog. I could have a dog worked up for you guys, worked by the front door.

34:18 Guest We train our people to do that on the hotline, so they're pretty much...

34:21 Adam Sniff it out on the phone? Nice. And yeah, I guess, plus it's probably not the kind of thing that most people would say they did if they weren't actually doing it. I mean, you probably don't get a whole ton of people claiming...

34:34 Guest We often have to read between the lines. You have a child that has been maybe staying with a 27-year-old man, she's 13, she's...

34:42 Adam I'll tell you, you have privately funded places doing great work with the kids, the victim. I like to open my own house called the Adam's House of Hell.

34:51 Drew The Slaughter House.

34:51 Adam Just a big pit. The good news is we could put it in Van Nuys, because that place is a hellhole.

34:56 Drew And no one would notice.

34:57 Adam Yeah, no, no one would know. I dig a big pit. There are thirties that are keeping an eye on the 13-year-olds down in the pit, and we do an hourly hosing, where I take a fire extinguisher filled with urine and fecal matter, we just spray them every hour. I ring a big cowbell, and I tell a story from my high school days. Like the same high school football story over and over again.

35:20 Guest One of the things we help our kids do is to put these guys in jail. We do a lot of accompanying them to the court, holding their hands.

35:26 Adam Money comes from places like K-Rock radio station, out here the Mother station with shows like the Acoustic Christmas coming up this weekend. How much money can you raise, or will you get from something like this?

35:38 Guest You know, I don't know, but I couldn't tell you.

35:42 Drew Doesn't it drive you insane that so little of these issues are heard in the public domain, and yet it's such a massive common...

35:50 Guest We have kids from every socioeconomic class.

35:53 Drew But you're seeing one end of a spectrum that's even larger. You're seeing the tip of the iceberg, really, that's most intense.

35:58 Guest Right.

35:59 Adam But we really have more people that are interested in pets.

36:02 Drew The people.

36:03 Adam In this country, yes. I mean, you will hear on the news, and with celebrities or not, you'll hear more coverage at 10 hours to every 10 minutes on what they're doing to save the pets, the whales, whatever it is. You see Betty White up there squawking about some sort of shih tzu camp for rehabilitation of her bad hip shih tzus or something. You know what I'm saying? But forget about it.

36:34 Drew And occasionally you get a little argument of, well, sexual abuse really doesn't exist, but we're just talking about it more.

36:39 Adam Yeah.

36:39 Drew F'ing break.

36:41 Guest A homeless dog you can take to the pound and they'll take them in. With kids, if you ever try to find someone to stay.

36:46 Drew Well, it's their fault. It's their fault.

36:48 Guest Well, and they dye their hair for any color.

36:49 Drew They should not do drugs. That's their fault.

36:51 Guest They curse too much.

36:52 Drew Yeah, I hate facetious. I hope you understand that.

36:55 Adam But that is the consensus. And it's the way, I believe it's a sort of coping mechanism that people have when tragedy strikes other people in order not to...

37:05 Drew No, it's that same sick thing that people have that makes nine-year-olds pick on each other. It really is. We just are awful to people. We trodden people that are dumb.

37:16 Adam I know, I know. But when you hear about some tragedy where there's like some gondola in Europe gets hit by an AA-10 and 110 tourists fall to their death, you think to yourself, well, they shouldn't have been going skiing. You have to make it okay somehow so you don't go insane.

37:42 Drew Right, right, right.

37:43 Adam And all of this stuff, whenever something horrible happens to someone, you have to sort of make it their fault. Because if you didn't emotionally, then it would burden you and you'd have trouble sleeping that night. I really do believe there's a sort of a a human quality that makes stuff people's fault. Then we take all the energy we have saved up from that and we go right to pets. Oh, look, they didn't ask for this. They didn't ask to be born out on the alleys. They don't need this. They're going to be put to sleep. And now we've got too much energy for god damn pets.

38:15 Drew Also, because now we detach from the people, they're not even humans anymore, we can help drive them down.

38:19 Guest Right, okay.

38:20 Adam I give a rants ass about pets. I'll throw them in the same pit with all the pedophiles.

38:25 Guest I could care less.

38:26 Adam And all you kiss asses who worry too much about animals, you all drive me insane.

38:32 Guest Really.

38:32 Adam Worry about your kids who hate your guts. Then get to the cat, for Christ's sake.

38:38 Drew Will, 18. Hey, what's going on?

38:39 Hey, first of all I want to say is, Adam, you're the best and I like your, I know you're talking about with the trash man coming to your house at 4 o'clock in the morning.

38:47 Drew No, 6.30. Tomorrow morning. He'll be there at 6.

38:49 I always have the backup alarm going every time.

38:51 Adam 6.18. I've said it a thousand times. I would rather 500,000 kids get ran over a year than me getting woke up by another one of those goddamn beepers. And here's my thing too. You are an asshole. The backup beeper should be three times. All right? If you can't hold your sorry ass out of the way of that dumb truck by the third beep, that's Darwin running you over. That ain't the guy who's driving the truck. I've had guys ship that thing in reverse and just leave it. You know, it'll just stay. They'll be talking on a cell phone. We had a guy park... I know, I go nuts about everything. We're having a meeting in an office once. A guy was pulled up on the street with a semi-truck. He's had it thrown in reverse and then went and got a cup of coffee. We're all sitting around this table, 10 people trying to hash out some comedy thing. The thing we realized, we all looked at each other. After a half hour, this beeping never stopped me to go like breaking into a guy's truck and put it in a neutral. Drives me insane. And by the way, does the beeping have to be so loud that the whole neighborhood hears?

39:48 Caller How about just the guy behind the truck?

39:50 Adam Can't we direct it at him?

39:52 Drew Well, you know, don't worry, Adam. They will pick the metal trash cans up and bang it so loud, you won't hear the beeping.

39:57 Adam No, they're plastic now, but it's the beeping. And how many times you got to go in reverse as a garbage man? Don't you just drive forward and pick up trash? What did you forget back there that's so important? All right. Sorry, Will. Yeah. Tomorrow morning, everybody, be by the Corolla house, 6-8, between 6-18, 6-20.

40:14 Drew And your mailman? They'll be right there.

40:15 Adam Mailman, be there 5-30 in the evening, drunk. There's a bad attitude. All right. Go ahead, everyone.

40:21 All right. So anyways, I was at the Glamis desert last Halloween weekend. And I don't know if you guys know, but it's a pretty big holiday, I guess.

40:33 Adam What desert?

40:34 The Glamis desert.

40:35 Drew Is this that, what is that thing called?

40:37 Burning Man?

40:38 Drew Burning Man thing? No.

40:40 No. It's like big parties, stuff like that. And, but anyways, I was out with my girlfriend.

40:46 Drew A couple months ago, you mean?

40:48 Adam You said Halloween.

40:48 Drew This Halloween, 2000?

40:49 Yes, it's Halloween.

40:50 Drew Okay.

40:51 So I was driving my new truck that we just made in my shop, and we were driving down the San Hyder going like 50 or 60, all these, you know, huge woods made to go off-road, and these kids pull out front wheels, little bikes, and so we turned real quick to avoid it, and we rolled the truck like seven times. And part of the roll bar that we put in the truck, like the weekend before, it went right through my girlfriend's lungs and punctured them, and we were like 30 minutes away from like camp. So we had to drive all the way back to camp, and then we waited like 30 minutes for the ambulance to come.

41:25 Adam How can you drive the car after you've rolled it seven times?

41:28 Oh, it's pretty sturdy.

41:29 Adam All right.

41:30 I had to stick my head out the window. And I mean, like, it was like the two, when we were done, the two back axles and the two front axles were bent, so the wheels were all...

41:39 Drew And with her ill, her...

41:40 Yeah, and she was, yeah. So she was, you know, sitting there and, like, that's my last vision I see. And then they, like, they hold me out of the car when we got back to camp, and they, like, like took her, her, and then she died on the ambulance on the way back, like, a 45-minute drive back to the hospital.

41:56 Guest How old was she?

41:57 Huh? She's 18, my age.

41:58 Adam So this was, uh, seven, eight months ago?

42:01 No, this...

42:02 Adam Six months ago?

42:03 Drew This is why I'm going to go insane, because... Wait a minute, wait a minute.

42:05 Adam Hold on. Oh, oh, Halloween. Alright, I'm screwing around. I'm thinking of the next Halloween.

42:10 Guest I think she's going to die.

42:12 Drew 2001.

42:13 Adam Yeah, like, yeah, nine months from now.

42:14 Drew This is why I'm going to say, because, like, this stuff just kills me.

42:18 Adam Yeah. How long were you guys together?

42:19 Uh, like a year and a half.

42:21 Adam Yeah.

42:22 She's, like, been helping me through everything. Like, she helped me start my own business and everything.

42:25 Adam Alright, so...

42:26 Like, now, but now this is bad. I don't think I'm going crazy or something. I know I'm normal, but I'm, like, I'm driving to school, you know, or I'm, like, driving someplace. I'm out in the desert. It's even worse. And, like, I look over at my seat and it's, like, I see something there. And I know I'm not, like, I know she's not there. It's just, like, I get crazed. Or sometimes I see, like, somebody's sitting there with me and they're all freaked out.

42:47 Adam How responsible do you feel?

42:50 I mean, I feel responsible. I constructed the whole truck. I mean, I made the roll bar, everything. I mean, I built it from the ground up and then it killed her. I almost feel like, you know, I need to go take my truck out and just roll it again.

43:02 Guest All right.

43:04 Adam Listen, Will, there's no quick fix here.

43:06 Guest Yeah, it is.

43:07 Adam This is a serious trauma.

43:08 Anna, do you want to talk, Anna?

43:10 Guest My mom died when I was 17, well, when I was 7 years old. And sometimes I feel like that.

43:15 Drew Like you see her.

43:16 Guest Yeah. And I believe, I'm not really into God. I don't know if you are, but personally, I think that my mother is watching over me. She doesn't have to be in heaven. She doesn't have to be anywhere. She's just watching over me. And sometimes I dream about her. Sometimes I'll turn around and she's there. And then I'll double take and she's not there. And I think it's, I think, I may only be 17, but I've been through a lot. And I think that your girlfriend is your, like a guardian over you. And she's trying to tell you that it wasn't your fault. You couldn't have done nothing. You did all that you could. There's nothing else that you could have done. You tried to get her to the hospital as soon as possible. And I think that she wants you to be at peace with yourself and not blame yourself for her death. Because you may have constructed the truck, but you're not the one that put those children in front of your vehicle. Yeah. And I don't know if that's going to make you feel at ease more. But sometimes it happens to me. And I just think that when that happens, your family member or your loved one wants you to be at rest and know that it's not your fault. And that they truly love you.

44:30 Adam I don't think she's watching over you personally. But the good news is that's not in a bad way either. You get another girl one day and she's not watching you for five seconds or anything.

44:40 Guest Here's the thing about watching over. You're always watching over.

44:43 Adam You can't do anything.

44:44 Yeah.

44:46 Adam Well, here's the deal. It's a horrible, tragic thing. And there's really not... You can get some therapy time. You know, this is very new for this kind of thing. Very new.

44:58 Drew I think he wants to know though about these visions.

45:00 No, like she's the only person who brought me away from my bad family and stuff.

45:04 Drew Yeah, but listen.

45:05 Adam But do you want to know about the visions?

45:08 Yeah, I'm like freaking out. I'm like, oh, of course, I'm in San Diego State. I mean, I'm like...

45:11 Drew Listen, the San Diego State... It's very common, Will. It's very common when there's been a sudden, unexpected death for there to be these sorts of experiences. However, you want to explain them, I can just tell you they're common and they don't necessarily mean there's anything psychiatrically awry, but it does speak to how intense this trauma has been. And that indeed, if you are willing to get a little treatment, get a little therapy, you're going to have a post-traumatic stress disorder from this. Yeah. To be freaking out in regards to be triggered by all sorts of things, have panic attacks, trouble sleeping, and your mood is going to be amassed for a while. That's normal. That's what you expect somebody to happen after they've been through something like this. And there is treatment, and people can't help you with it.

45:53 Adam Yeah. All right. Well, that's it. I mean, you sound like, hey, here's the good news. For someone who's been through what you've been through so recently, You're still laughing. You sound amazingly intact. You just, but nobody...

46:05 Your shows brought me through everything.

46:06 Adam Well, thanks.

46:07 In the shop, you know, I'm cutting metal, you know, those metal workers.

46:10 Adam Yo, yeah.

46:11 And I laugh at everything you say.

46:13 Adam All right, well, listen, you gotta get a little therapy. You gotta work with this. But the fact that you see her everywhere, that's completely normal. That's okay.

46:20 Drew That's fine.

46:21 Adam Yeah. It's like, you know, when you... It's fresh on his mind.

46:25 Drew It just... These are extremely intense experiences. And naturally, there will be an intense fallout.

46:32 Adam All right. We're gonna take ourselves a little break. When we come back, we'll speak to Rick, who's 19, had sex with girl, and then they had sex, and then they had sex. What? She, uh... Oh, she pooped in the bed. There we go. Fantastic. After this.

46:48 Caller Loveline will be right back. Call on the 1-800-LOVE-191.

46:52 Caller There's no need to be upset. Loveline will be right back.

46:54 Guest The Daddy Boy 7 at Arcade.

46:56 Caller The new rock alternative.

46:57 Bigger Meister's f***ing awesome.

47:25 Adam Yeah, I like this song. What group is this? Oh, Offspring, that's a good band, that Offspring. They put those riffs together, that Offspring. Nice guys.

47:39 Drew So far, I heard Kevin Bean talking about them almost destroying the venue for the Acoustic Christmas two years ago when they played.

47:45 Adam Oh yeah.

47:45 Drew It was the Shrine.

47:47 Adam Yeah.

47:48 Drew They said it was the Universal or something. They said it was the Shrine. It almost brought the whole damn balcony down.

47:54 Adam Yeah. Yeah. No, that was the Shrine. Yeah. People were bouncing up on that thing. Yeah. I was scared we were going to lose some teenagers. Fine, though. Good riddance.

48:02 Caller That's what I said.

48:03 Adam Phone number, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. It's Loveline Tonight. Speaking of music and venues, we got a little thing called the Acoustic Christmas coming up this weekend on the Mother Station. The Mother of All Stations, by the way. K-Rock. Number one in Los Angeles is K-Rock. English speaking. Number 27 overall. Number one. There's 14 Armenian stations and 16 Hispanic speaking stations above them. But still number one in the English speaking stations. And tonight we have as a guest some of the folks from Children of the Night. And that's where the proceeds of this concert are going to. And when I say proceeds, I mean proceeds. $48.50 a ticket? Jesus Christ.

48:47 Drew In addition, there's a band called 8 Stop 7. Is that the other band? And the proceeds from their CD are actually entirely going to Children of the Night, which is an organization, a residential program for treating young 11 to 17 year olds with history of having been out on the street and prostitution.

49:03 Adam And let me say this about this, for those of you who wanna donate some money to this. Every penny, it's like you donate a dime and you get back a dollar. I mean, if you take a look at where a lot of these kids are going, most of them, if you, yeah, a lot in jail, at least ain't paying taxes. I mean, there's trouble here. You know what I'm saying? We should get behind this. Forget about from a compassion standpoint, just pure monetary, just from a purely monetary standpoint, we should get behind stuff like this, right?

49:37 Guest 80% of the kids that we work with stay off the streets.

49:39 Drew Wow, that's huge.

49:41 Guest It works.

49:42 Adam Yeah, they kill and bury them in the basements, and get it back on the street.

49:45 Guest Actually, our basement is pretty small, and it contains nothing but food.

49:49 Adam Well, that's what they call it, it's the Soylent Green.

49:51 Guest They feed the kids that didn't listen to them.

49:54 Adam They feed the kids. Yeah, they feed the naughty to the righteous. That's my plan. That's what I'm going to run.

50:00 Guest To the basement monster.

50:01 Adam When I run for president, that's my only platform. I will feed the naughty to the righteous.

50:06 Guest You know who you are.

50:08 Adam Thank you.

50:08 Guest Now, this is Ace Top 7 CD. It's a great opportunity for kids to help kids because it's only $1.99. You can purchase it at any Tower Records until January. You can purchase it on the website at towerrecords.com.

50:20 Drew We're going to play a song for the next hour, I think, too.

50:23 Adam Buck 99. It's worth it just to throw it for Buck 99. I'll pay Buck 99 just like I throw it at somebody.

50:30 Guest No, it's actually a really good song.

50:32 Adam I know, but even then I throw it. Oh, really?

50:34 Guest Yes.

50:34 Adam Wow.

50:35 Guest I have the other CD and I also have that one. Question Everything is a very, very, very, very good song.

50:42 Adam They're the good looking lads, I'll tell you that.

50:45 Guest And they're real nice guys, too. Not all of them. They're actually good.

50:48 Adam Oh, man. The truth comes out.

50:50 Guest My favorite is Evan.

50:51 Adam Yeah, Evan, that's the one in the middle.

50:53 Guest It's the singer.

50:54 Adam Where is he?

50:54 Guest The singer, yeah. He's the top one.

50:55 Adam Yeah, I did the math there. The other two are trolls, huh? No. Well, they all look good as opposed to the pictures Drew and I take. Oh, or we all look bad. All right. Let's hop on the phones.

51:07 Rick?

51:07 Drew Nothing to do with the subject matter.

51:09 Adam No. You're 19. What's up?

51:12 Caller Well, how's it going, guys?

51:13 Adam Good.

51:15 Caller Excellent. I had a crazy night last night. I was hanging out with a girl and we started having sex. She had to get up and go to the bathroom real quick, which was fine, comes back, same thing happens. She needs to go again and comes back a third time and we start having sex again. You know, it's getting more heated and I start smelling something, right? Well, you know where this is going. You explained it before the commercial. It was smelling like crap. Yeah. And so I excuse myself, come back in a little bit and she's like, yeah, well, I guess I should go. You know, it was kind of like she knew what happened. I don't know.

51:55 Drew What's your question?

51:56 Caller She leaves. Well, I'm just playing the scenario here. And I noticed there's some, there's a little.

52:01 Drew We understand where you're going with this, what's the question?

52:02 Adam No, I don't understand exactly. Who was this girl?

52:05 Caller A girl I was dating.

52:07 Adam You've dated her for a while?

52:09 Caller Not too long, though.

52:10 Drew How long? A couple weeks.

52:13 Caller First time we ever had sex.

52:15 Adam So you've gone out on a handful of dates?

52:19 Sure.

52:20 Adam Okay, see you, Rick. What do you mean, sure? I don't care if he's making it up or not. I don't like that sure answer. Well, the problem with everyone who calls this show who's bogus is they say a lot of nonsensical things like, I met this girl, she crapped a bed, so it's like I smelled something, so I picked up and left. Okay, how do you know her? She's my girlfriend. So you picked up and left? Well, we didn't know each other that long. These guys would be horrible. I mean, a cop could get them to confess that murders they weren't even the same country for. It's really, it's one of the cornerstones of being stupid, Drew.

53:02 Guest It really is.

53:04 Adam I believe that wholeheartedly.

53:06 Guest Mia?

53:07 Yes?

53:08 Adam You're 26?

53:09 Caller Yes, sir.

53:10 Adam What's up?

53:11 Caller I just have a question here. You know, the curiosity thing?

53:14 Adam Yeah, boy, you're 26?

53:16 Caller Yes, sir.

53:17 Adam Wow, why is it, where are you from?

53:19 Caller Atlanta.

53:20 Adam Atlanta.

53:21 Caller Yes, sir.

53:22 Adam You sound older in 26.

53:23 Drew What's going on? What's the question?

53:25 Caller The question is about orgasm. Okay. Where exactly does the like gusher orgasm, you know, all the fluid that, you know, the real orgasm, For men or for male or female? For female.

53:41 Drew Not all women gush. Gushing is-

53:43 Caller Not all women gush, I understand. I didn't gush for years, but like I gush now.

53:47 Adam Oh, yeah.

53:47 Caller I'm real good. I'm just kind of like curious.

53:51 Adam You could put out one of those logs and fire.

53:54 Caller Oh, yeah. Like the chest and the hole, you know?

53:57 Adam Yeah.

53:57 Caller The thingy thingy.

53:59 Adam Sure.

54:00 Caller Yeah, sure. I mean, it's really neat. It's just that-

54:03 Drew There are a whole series of glands down there that the Scheme's glands and Bartholome's gland and whatnot that produce fluid and the glands in the walls of the vagina. They all have potential to produce fluid that can be released.

54:13 Caller And so it just produces the fluid and it's just-

54:15 Drew It's glandular material in this area.

54:17 Adam That's fine. Wait, wait, you want to collect-

54:19 Caller Oh, it's fine, I'm sure.

54:20 Adam You want to collect it and use it for something?

54:23 Caller No, I don't think I want to collect it and use it for anything.

54:24 Adam It's a good wallpaper remover.

54:26 Caller Oh, you think? I was going to hang some wallpaper next week, but I need to take some down. So maybe after tonight, I'll-

54:31 Adam Who is this, Ellie Mae?

54:33 Caller Ellie Mae.

54:35 Adam Even her saying Ellie Mae makes her sound like Ellie Mae. Say Ellie Mae again.

54:39 Caller Ellie Mae.

54:41 Adam You got a rope holding your pants up?

54:44 Caller How did you know?

54:45 Adam I know. You love them critters, don't you?

54:47 Caller You know it.

54:48 Guest All right.

54:49 Adam You know, your dad doesn't have a rocking chair strapped to his pickup truck?

54:53 Caller No, ma'am.

54:54 Caller For granny rides?

54:55 Guest Oh, okay.

54:56 Adam All right. Now I'm going to hell for a fifth time. All right, Mia. Good luck with that novelty vagina of yours, all right? All right, thank you. All right, good times. We're going to take ourselves a little break. We'll be back. See all them words I squeezed in, and that little pause?

55:41 Drew Just the right amount.

55:42 Guest Just the right. Yeah, yeah. Coming at you. We got a fine, oh, I see, we got a 50,000 watt flamethrower, Westwood One, live and nationwide. Rocking the MIC every night. There we go. I shot my wad for the rest of the year.

56:05 Adam Children of the Night is what we're talking about tonight. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-DREW. Didn't I give a no salsa announcement?

56:12 Drew I'm not eating them.

56:13 Adam Look at these.

56:13 Drew They're great.

56:14 Adam Homemade. We had a wonderful listeners come in and bring us some confection. Children of the Night is what we're talking about. Phone number, if you're between the ages of 11 and 17 and are in the field of well, prostitution, male or female out on the street or with a pimp or running away from home and want to know how to get some help, this is the number to call 1-800-551-1300. 1-800-551-1300. We're having a big concert out here in Los Angeles for the Mother Station K-Rock this weekend, the acoustic Christmas and the proceeds will be going to the Children of the Night. Vicki Balet is here tonight and Anna, who's one of the graduates, have you graduated yet or are you going to graduate?

57:07 Guest My three month anniversary, usually we only stay there for three months, but my three month anniversary was a month ago.

57:14 Adam And what are your plans now?

57:15 Guest I'm going to go to an independent living. I took the CHSPE, which is the California High School Proficiency Exam.

57:24 Adam It's not the GED anymore?

57:25 Guest No, this is different. I'm going to actually get a high school diploma. If I pass this, I will find out on the 18th.

57:31 Adam I see.

57:31 Guest And then I will go to a college, a community college and hopefully get...

57:36 Adam Oh no, no, dear Lord, no.

57:37 Guest Yes. And working computers.

57:39 Adam Listen, prostitution was worse than going to the community college. Don't go to the community college. I'll teach you about computers.

57:45 Guest Oh, I already know.

57:46 Adam I'll teach you on my time.

57:47 Guest Vicki taught me how to completely take apart a computer.

57:51 Adam All right. Well, then you don't need to go to community college.

57:54 Guest Actually, you do.

57:56 Adam Listen, prostitution is no stigma, but going to community college, having that on your permanent record, that'll haunt you for the rest of your life.

58:05 Guest That'll follow you around.

58:06 Adam Believe me. Or your husband finds out you went to community college. That may be a deal breaker. All right. So now I'm interested in this test. A GED will give you sort of the equivalent kind of thing, but you don't...

58:20 Guest In California, you have to be close to 18. It must be your 18th birthday to take the GED. It's five different tests, and it works. It's a high school diploma.

58:27 Adam Do you take five different tests or do you get one of five?

58:29 Guest But the CHSPE kind of doesn't have the stigma that the GED. GED you take when you couldn't make it in high school. The CHSPE was, I believe, originally started for acting kids that wanted to not have to have a tutor on the set. So it's a little bit different of a test.

58:42 Adam More involved, I'm guessing.

58:43 Guest Well, it's a lot more writing, a lot more reality-based in terms of...

58:46 Adam What was the first one, Drew? What did she say?

58:49 Drew Using a pen to...

58:50 Adam What about? Oh, oh, pen, pen.

58:52 Drew A writing of it, yeah.

58:53 Adam Oh, it's like a pencil with ink in it, right?

58:55 Drew Exactly, exactly. Makes little characters on a page.

58:58 Adam And then people read those? Yeah.

59:00 Drew Isn't that amazing? Adam. Wait, read? I'm impressed.

59:04 Adam Yeah, well, I know other people have talked about it. I've heard a guy talking about it on the bus.

59:08 Drew Oh, okay.

59:09 Adam Okay, so...

59:09 Guest We have a school in the shelter, and part of what we do is teach these kids to pass with some of these tests so they can actually finish high school or at least get up to whatever level they need to so they can move on.

59:18 Adam Wow. So, Anna, you're going to do that. You're going to take all that. You get into your computer program, and then pow, you're successful. You're out on your own taking care of business. Yes. God love you. That's beautiful. And where are you living now? You said you're...

59:32 Guest Children of the Night right now.

59:34 Adam Oh, and then you're going to...

59:35 Guest Las Vegas, to an independent living program. I'll have my own apartment with one roommate, different than a half a house.

59:41 Drew I mean, for him, for his sake.

59:43 Guest Yes.

59:44 Adam That's in Vegas?

59:45 Guest Yes.

59:46 Adam That doesn't seem like the place to go.

59:47 Guest Well, for me, I don't have a lot of family to go to, and my dad isn't really... I mean, he just got out of prison, so can't go to his house.

59:57 Drew Right.

59:58 Guest So this is the best thing for me.

1:00:00 Adam All right, so you go to Vegas.

1:00:01 Guest And if it doesn't work, you can always come back.

1:00:02 Guest I can come back.

1:00:03 Drew Right.

1:00:03 Adam You promised me you'd stay away from that slot, it's a fun.

1:00:06 Drew Yeah. Do you ever have any impulses to go back?

1:00:09 Guest No, not anymore.

1:00:11 Drew You did for a while?

1:00:12 Guest No, it wasn't, no, I only did that for survival. It wasn't because I wanted to pimp or because I wanted the money. A lot of the money that I got, I spent on other people, not necessarily myself. I spent the money on food, clothing, and a place to live. And the rest, once I spent on $300 on a little boy's birthday party, a neighbor's birthday party because his parents couldn't buy him anything. So not all of the money went to me.

1:00:42 Adam Right.

1:00:42 Guest The fast money goes as fast as they make it, so they can never have anything to show for it.

1:00:47 Adam Yeah, that's why my family always told me, make the slow money. Make the glacier type money. If you can get a nickel an hour, that's much better than a hundred an hour. You won't spend it so fast.

1:00:59 Guest Particularly when you've been turning tricks to get it, it's you want it out of your hand, the memory is just, you want that out of your hand as quickly as...

1:01:05 Adam That's interesting. And yeah, and well also, when you're 15 years old, then you got a few hundred bucks. I imagine you could go through that pretty quick.

1:01:14 Guest The majority of our kids are turning that money over to a pimp. Very few of these kids get to keep even a penny of it. I mean, the pimp refers to it as his money, his hairspray, his everything.

1:01:23 Adam So Anna, you had a pimp, right?

1:01:24 Guest No, I didn't.

1:01:25 Adam No pimp? Eliminate the middleman.

1:01:27 Guest Yes.

1:01:28 Adam So you didn't have that situation. All right. Drew, are you still with your pimp or are you guys part ways?

1:01:33 Guest I just personally, I can't see myself or anybody else getting the crap beat out of them for money that they didn't make or they did make and they spent it on something. When they did the work, they went out and did it. And some, some.

1:01:50 Adam Right. No, I know. No, we.

1:01:52 Guest It's going to kick this because, you know.

1:01:55 Adam With the S word. Hold on a second there.

1:01:56 Drew Anderson.

1:01:57 Adam No, we, we got the same things. Call that manager. They don't do anything. We pay that.

1:02:02 Guest But at least it gives you a percentage. Pimp takes it all.

1:02:05 Adam Yeah, it's true. He does cut us in.

1:02:07 Guest It's nice of them.

1:02:09 Adam All right. Karen.

1:02:10 Guest Hi. OK. Well, I'm 20 and I'm a virgin. And I actually met you guys last night when when Mika was there as part of her little entourage. But basically, I was.

1:02:19 Adam Wait a minute. Which one were you?

1:02:20 Guest I was the blonde girl in the all black with the stripes around her boobs.

1:02:24 Stripes around her boobs.

1:02:26 Adam Yeah. Oh, the daughter.

1:02:27 Caller Yeah. OK.

1:02:28 Adam Well, wait a minute. I was trying to make you're the one driving the Porsche, right?

1:02:32 Caller Yeah, that was me.

1:02:33 Adam I'm trying to figure out this. Minka brought in with her an entourage last night, which were her boobs. But then there were people, too, who came. And there was her husband, right?

1:02:46 Drew Her manager.

1:02:46 Adam Manager slash whatever. Concubine, husband, you know.

1:02:50 Guest Slash best friend slash best friend. Boyfriend who happens to be my dad. So I was the daughter that tagged along.

1:02:56 Adam You were the daughter. Now, you got kind of a rack on you, too. Is that something that was?

1:03:03 Guest Oh, natural.

1:03:04 Adam God gave you that?

1:03:06 Guest Yeah.

1:03:06 Adam Really?

1:03:07 Guest Yeah. I'm only 20.

1:03:09 Caller Oh, Jesus Christ.

1:03:10 Guest But basically, I mean, I've had a totally normal childhood. And then when I turned 16, my dad went through his midlife crisis.

1:03:16 Adam No kid?

1:03:17 Guest He started dating all these little girls that were like my age, practically, 24-year-old porn stars.

1:03:22 Adam Yeah. Now, your dad?

1:03:23 Guest And so, basically, I'm completely shut off to relationships, and I just want to know how I can start opening up in my life, too.

1:03:29 Drew How does she get over her dad?

1:03:30 Adam Well, we met your dad last night, right?

1:03:32 Guest He's a great guy. He's completely involved in my life.

1:03:35 Drew What does he do for a living?

1:03:36 Guest We're in the jewelry industry.

1:03:38 Adam No, that's trouble.

1:03:39 Guest No, that's a good thing.

1:03:41 Adam And, jeez, he barely had an accent. I didn't know he was in the jewelry. I thought you had to have a strong Middle Eastern accent to be in the jewelry industry.

1:03:48 Guest Not in Beverly Hills.

1:03:49 Adam No, okay. All right, so where did you get that? Jeez, she's driving a $50,000 car.

1:03:54 Guest I bought it myself, actually. Not turning tricks like other people, but I've worked my entire life there after school and commissions and things. I mean, basically, instead of concentrating on boys, I've turned my stuff toward school and work and friends. And so I'm just sort of wondering how I can now sort of open myself up and allow myself to actually have a real connection with the male figure. My mom is my best friend and I moved with her until I was 18 and then I moved out on my own.

1:04:25 Adam All right. So you're still working with your dad, right?

1:04:28 Guest No, no, my father does other things now. I work with my mom. She owns the store.

1:04:32 Drew What does he do now?

1:04:34 Guest He's in the stone industry. He does hotels and things.

1:04:37 Adam Yeah.

1:04:38 Drew Stone industry?

1:04:39 Guest Yeah. Different kind of stones, not diamonds.

1:04:42 Guest Yeah.

1:04:43 Adam He does like-

1:04:44 Drew Is that a code for something?

1:04:44 Adam No, no. He's doing like marble and granite.

1:04:47 Guest Exactly.

1:04:47 Adam That kind of work. Yeah. What is your dad's nationality? Because I've never met a guy who-

1:04:52 Guest He's from New York. He's from the Bronx.

1:04:54 Adam And that's it? He's an American guy? Wow. He's the only guy I've ever met. Every guy. He has the two-

1:04:59 Drew Hold on.

1:05:01 Adam He has the number one Middle Eastern occupations and number two.

1:05:05 Drew Oh, really?

1:05:06 Adam Number one is the wholesale jewelry stuff.

1:05:08 Drew Maybe he's Lebanese or something.

1:05:09 Adam Number two is the guys who do the countertops, the granite, the floor, the marble, all that. It's all Middle Eastern.

1:05:18 Drew Maybe they-

1:05:18 Adam I got to get to the bottom of this. What happened? Was he adopted? How did this happen?

1:05:23 Guest No, he-

1:05:24 Adam What's his nationality?

1:05:25 Guest We're Jewish, but-

1:05:26 All right.

1:05:27 Adam They're starting to come together, starting to come together. At least we got the jewelry part checked off the list.

1:05:32 All right.

1:05:32 Adam And where's his family from?

1:05:35 Guest All from New York.

1:05:36 Drew No, no.

1:05:36 Guest They're- We got here to marry my mom.

1:05:37 Drew Your ancestors. Where are the ancestors from?

1:05:40 Guest Russia.

1:05:41 Drew Russian Jews.

1:05:41 Adam Yeah. It's not working. He's not going to last in that stone business. I'll tell you that right now. All right. So in you, let's- let me just talk about your cup size for just one second. What size is that up there?

1:05:54 Guest I'm a 34 G.

1:05:56 Adam Wow. I'll tell you. You see, I saw her last night with these other girls. You got to-

1:06:01 Guest I look concave compared to them.

1:06:03 Adam No, no. You're convex. Don't worry. But you hanging around with those other girls, people kind of do the math. You understand? They figure you're running with that crowd. You're in that industry.

1:06:14 Guest Yeah.

1:06:15 Guest I mean, people think my dad and I date. Like when we go to dinners and things, it's very strange. Like a girl's come up to our table and been like, oh my god, you know, what are you doing? You're kidding on me.

1:06:23 Guest You're my daughter.

1:06:24 Adam So now, I know, they see...

1:06:26 Guest The whole thing is completely absurd.

1:06:28 Drew Yes, yes, yes.

1:06:29 Adam Okay, so you want to know how to have a relationship with a guy basically?

1:06:34 Guest It's time. I'm 20. It's like, I think, my friends have boyfriends. It's something I think is completely necessary, but I know that I'm totally closed off.

1:06:43 Drew Well, not only are you closed off, but the more important thing is how do we prevent you from sort of going after dad when you decide to open up?

1:06:52 Guest Yeah, I think it's totally gross.

1:06:54 I wouldn't consider it.

1:06:56 Drew But inadvertently, you're going to sort of pick someone who might treat you in a similar way.

1:07:01 Adam What kind of guys have you been attracted to in the past?

1:07:05 Guest I won't even allow myself to. When I have, it's been...

1:07:10 Drew What is it you feel when you start to open yourself up?

1:07:13 Guest I don't even think I even let it get to that point. I think I just sort of freak out. I've never really been on a date date. I have a lot of close friends.

1:07:20 Adam You're not a virgin, are you?

1:07:21 Guest Yeah, I am. I know. I know. I've kissed six people in my life.

1:07:27 Adam Hold on. Hold on a second. Anne, you were here last night. Producer Anne, you know who we're talking about, right? She has a big rack sticking out of the sweater. Then I talked to her last night. We're leaving and she goes, A, this place over on Las Palmas is really going off. Hugh Hefner is going to be there. I'm going to go there and party. It's like 1230 at night. I say, I got to go home crying, masturbating. Not in that order. And then I see her pulling out of the parking lot in a convertible Porsche right after I pull out. And I'm thinking, okay, I take the Porsche. I take the rack. I take the Hugh Hefner party on a Tuesday, Wednesday night. And I think to myself, okay, just like a porn star or something. I see her dad and like Minka's manager and everything. I got like porn star. I would have bet 100 bucks on a porn star.

1:08:16 Guest Virgin.

1:08:18 Adam Very bizarre. What line was she on there, Drew, too? Karen?

1:08:23 Guest Yeah.

1:08:23 Adam Wow. Now, here's what I can't figure out. How did you get so turned off by guys when your dad just went south recently?

1:08:33 Guest Well, I mean, it sort of went down around the time when I would start having relationships.

1:08:38 Drew It's also the same guy.

1:08:39 Adam I know, but-

1:08:41 Drew Parents broke up.

1:08:42 Adam Zero to 13, this guy was a decent enough guy?

1:08:45 Guest Yeah, awesome. Really, really great dad.

1:08:47 Drew Why did your parents break up, then?

1:08:49 Guest Because he started having affairs with these.

1:08:52 Adam And what age were you when that happened?

1:08:55 Guest I was pretty much about 14 when he went through his change of life.

1:08:59 Drew See, what that could do is make her fearful of relationships.

1:09:04 Adam I understand that, but if things were hunky-dory, parents were together, family business and all that, zero to 14, you think that would have been enough to get her a few dates and not freak her out so much.

1:09:15 Drew You would think, but still remember this is mom and dad.

1:09:18 Guest I was really fat and ugly when I was young.

1:09:21 Guest Oh boy.

1:09:21 Guest I was kind of different. I see.

1:09:23 Guest You've blossomed.

1:09:24 Guest Now my dad dates girls that kind of look like me.

1:09:26 Caller It's just sort of weird.

1:09:27 Adam Yeah. I date girls that look like my dad, so I know what you're coming from. A big schnoz and nappy hair. Sort of hunched over.

1:09:34 Guest That's the way I like them.

1:09:37 Adam Harry Cavs. Yeah?

1:09:38 Guest A poor role model figure in a relationship. I don't know what to do.

1:09:43 Adam I mean, is there therapy for them?

1:09:45 Drew Yes, if you have the inclination. Because we're not getting... Some things need to be sorted out here. And you're not getting at them, and we're not getting at them.

1:09:53 Adam Talk about an untapped resource with this one. Jesus Christ, some guy's gonna get a grubby pause on you and he's never gonna let go. And listen, once you go, you're going out in a big way. That's what I think.

1:10:03 Drew What does that mean?

1:10:04 Adam I think once she opens the floodgates, that's it. Yeah, I say, I think she's a virgin until 20. She's gonna sleep with one guy, she's gonna sleep with 100 guys in the first week. Maybe 200. That's what I say.

1:10:17 Guest That's my answer.

1:10:20 Adam No, no, no. You're too young for me.

1:10:24 Drew Oh, it's a very bad sign.

1:10:25 Adam Yeah.

1:10:26 Drew If you're Adam, now therapy, categorically.

1:10:30 Adam Are you into me at all, Karen?

1:10:31 Guest You're very, very funny, Adam. Yes, you're great, but you're too old.

1:10:35 Adam Yeah, see, I'm like your dad.

1:10:38 Guest Both wearing leather jackets, right?

1:10:40 Guest Yeah.

1:10:40 Guest But I mean, Dr. Drew, off the air, do you think you could maybe recommend somebody that I can talk to?

1:10:43 Adam Hold on, forget about Dr. Drew off the air. What do you mean funny?

1:10:47 Guest I'm kind of handsome.

1:10:48 Guest No, I'm sorry, Adam, you're very hysterical. I listen to the show every day.

1:10:50 Adam I know, but don't I look, I look okay, right?

1:10:53 Guest Yeah, you're cute. You're a much more handsome person than I am.

1:10:56 Adam Handsome, she's more handsome. Thank you, thank you. Because you get the funny thing, and it really sounds like they're dodging something there. You attracted me? You're funny. That doesn't sound like a compliment. All right, baby.

1:11:08 Guest I'm going to have my first relationship with Adam Carolla.

1:11:10 Adam Yeah, good times. Yeah. I'll tell you what we'll do. You come over to my house, you can watch me wait to die. That's the way I work my relationship. That's where you live.

1:11:21 Guest I watch TV.

1:11:22 Adam Yeah, we can both watch Minka videos and see where it goes.

1:11:25 Guest Number one, Asian Big Boo Queen. All right, Karen, you get.

1:11:29 Adam Wait a minute, play that again.

1:11:30 Number one, Asian Big Boo Queen. Number one.

1:11:35 Drew Oh, my God.

1:11:37 Adam The show is getting bizarre. All right, Karen, go just get a little therapy.

1:11:43 Drew I'll give a referral.

1:11:43 Adam You give a referral?

1:11:44 Drew Yeah.

1:11:44 Adam Off the air? Oh, my God. Drew, did you see the rack? Excuse me, girls. I mean, I couldn't believe she wasn't. I thought she was part of the big boob entourage. She was like a burlap sack full of bobcats. That's how she was built, that one. Crazy, but virgin. Never, never would have guessed in a billion years. All right, ready to move forward here? You're getting paid, sure?

1:12:09 Pete? Hello?

1:12:12 Adam Pete, you're 25. What's up?

1:12:13 Caller Hi, how are you? Good. I got a couple of questions, but I'll just start with a little story. I'm 25. I'm married for already two years. I have a one-year-old daughter already. And ever since my wife gave birth, I guess I don't know if it's mentally a problem or physically a problem. She just doesn't have any more sex drive.

1:12:38 Drew Is she on any medication?

1:12:40 Caller Is she on any medication?

1:12:42 Drew Is she on any medication?

1:12:43 Caller No, she's not on any medication.

1:12:44 Drew Has she been depressed since the delivery?

1:12:47 Caller Excuse me?

1:12:48 Drew Has she? Has she been depressed since the delivery?

1:12:53 Caller Well, maybe like a month after, but wherever you are after that or any right now is alright.

1:12:59 Drew Postpartum depression can persist for, it can occur and or persist for any time within a year of delivery.

1:13:06 Adam Well, Drew's wife had it for three years because she had triplets, right?

1:13:09 Drew That's right. She's a little more.

1:13:10 Adam That's right. Pete?

1:13:12 Caller Yeah.

1:13:13 Adam You say she gave birth how long ago?

1:13:16 Caller Around a year ago.

1:13:17 Adam About a year ago. And how is she with you? Is she like you?

1:13:21 Caller Yeah, very much. I mean, we have sex maybe twice a month, maybe once a month. That's really bad. But what we do, I mean, she really likes it.

1:13:30 Drew And what was it like before the baby?

1:13:33 Caller It was probably different. I mean, she would be even more of an initiator than I was.

1:13:37 Drew Yeah, this may all be the biology, her biological change from the pregnancy.

1:13:41 Caller Yeah.

1:13:41 Drew Is she on birth control now?

1:13:44 Caller No, she's not right now.

1:13:45 Drew She's on no medication of any kind?

1:13:47 Caller No, nothing.

1:13:48 Drew Sometimes getting on birth control after the pregnancy can sort of kickstart things again. And sometimes it's the stress of being a mom. Sometimes it's the symbolic meaning of being a mom. There's all kinds of things that change after a child enters your lives.

1:14:01 Adam Pete, are you bugging her for sex?

1:14:03 Caller Oh, yeah, I'm bugging her a lot.

1:14:04 Drew Women hate that.

1:14:07 Adam Well, they pretend to hate it.

1:14:08 Caller If I bug her anymore, she's not going to give it anyway.

1:14:10 Drew That's right.

1:14:11 Adam Yeah, but listen, Pete, you've got to change your angle of attack here. You know what I mean?

1:14:17 Caller I've got a really big problem because I'm going to work every day. I mean, no matter where I am, I'm all the time horny. I can't stop thinking about it. I mean, I masturbate maybe three or four times a day.

1:14:28 Adam It's a little light. I like to see you get that up to five or six, but that's a different problem for people.

1:14:34 Drew Three or four times a day.

1:14:36 Adam You ever get them off at work, Pete?

1:14:37 Drew He has to.

1:14:39 Caller Well, while I'm at work, no, but I take my car out. That's what I mean for a ride, maybe, yeah.

1:14:44 Drew He's 25.

1:14:45 Adam He takes his car out for a ride. Jesus Christ. What the hell's that headliner look like? You take your car out from work?

1:14:53 Caller Or you just take... Yeah, on a break sometimes, yeah. I do it on a break.

1:14:57 Adam Sure. Other people are sitting around drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes.

1:15:00 Drew They're assuming he's an alcoholic.

1:15:02 Adam Pete's taking the pinto around the block for a quick jack break. I hope you work at night. Do you work at night?

1:15:08 Caller No, I work during the day.

1:15:09 Adam No, you do this during the day. Where do you go in your car during the day? Do you get that kind of privacy? Just park in a tunnel or something?

1:15:16 Caller No, I got a big car and I got tinted windows.

1:15:18 Adam Nice. The jackmobile? Nice.

1:15:21 Caller Excuse me?

1:15:22 Adam Okay, Pete. Where do you work?

1:15:24 Caller Well, anyway.

1:15:24 Adam Where do you work? What kind of place do you work in?

1:15:27 Caller I work in a... Well, I don't want to get really specific about myself. Is that all right?

1:15:31 Adam I see. Well, besides skating out of work to whack off every day, I haven't seen anything embarrassing.

1:15:38 Caller Well, it's not every day. I see it every day.

1:15:41 Drew Except three to four times a day.

1:15:42 Adam Well, but sometimes he doesn't get them all in at work.

1:15:44 Drew I see.

1:15:45 Adam Pete, here's what you got to do. You got to make her think that you don't care about sex, you care about her. You know what I'm saying?

1:15:53 Caller Well, she knows that.

1:15:55 Adam All right.

1:15:55 Drew She's not feeling that way.

1:15:56 Adam She knows it, but she don't feel it.

1:15:57 Drew And then she needs to talk to gynecologists about this change because it may be biologically based.

1:16:02 Caller Yeah, I know. That's the first thing that... There's nothing in the world that she hates more than that.

1:16:06 Adam Than what? The gynecologist?

1:16:08 Caller Yeah.

1:16:08 Adam Uh-oh. What's up with that? She got any problems?

1:16:12 Caller Do I have any problems? Does she?

1:16:14 Adam Does she have any issues with that?

1:16:15 Caller No, she doesn't. She just hates them.

1:16:17 Adam Yeah, but did anyone touch her or anything like that?

1:16:21 Caller In the past, you mean?

1:16:22 Drew Like as a child?

1:16:23 Adam No, I mean tomorrow. Let's say next week.

1:16:27 Caller I'm talking about like her parents.

1:16:29 Adam Put you down for molestation. I got the 19th open. You free between 10 and noon for a little molestation?

1:16:37 Caller I'm 120, 100, 200 percent sure that she wasn't.

1:16:41 Adam You're 200 percent? Okay, as opposed to five or six hundred percent? Seems a little light to me. All right, because once you get over 100 percent, it goes to a thousand percent.

1:16:49 Drew You can keep going.

1:16:50 Adam Well, here's what I'm saying. If you're going to go 200 percent, now the percentage scale is up to a thousand percent, so you're low.

1:16:56 Drew I always say 10,000 percent.

1:17:00 Adam You know, the thing I like, I love as much as 110 percent or 200 percent is literally, this guy scared me. I literally jumped 25 feet in the air. Literally, literally. I literally jumped out of my skin. Literally. It's like, wait a minute, hold on. Literally? Yes, literally out of my skin. So you then, you shot out from your skin, and so you say, literally, literally jumped out of my skin. Literally. Yeah, see now, see when you, you can't do that with literally, can you?

1:17:31 Drew No.

1:17:31 Adam Well, I guess you can do a hundred, 200% you can do literally. We'll be right back. Pete's gotta be nice to her, and she's gotta go to gynecologist.

1:17:38 Drew And we're gonna play a song from 8 to top 7 after this.

1:17:43 Caller Loveline will be right back, so get your problems ready.

1:17:46 Guest Right now you're enjoying Loveline on 94.7 at RK with the Rock Alternative.

1:17:51 Guest Well, hell yeah.

1:17:52 Guest I'm terribly sorry, but it's not a door, I'm sure.

1:18:19 Adam Yep, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, that is Dr. Drew over there, phone number 1-800-L-V-E-1-9-1. Tonight, we're talking to a couple of folks from Children of the Night, a very worthy charity, which is going to be the recipient of some money that we're going to raise this weekend over here in the Mother Station, KROQ out here in Los Angeles, the big weenie roast, sorry, acoustic Christmas concert, and all the proceeds are going to Children of the Night, and how's that work? Who'd you guys beat out? Do you have to make a... Vicki, do you go out and try to raise funds, obviously?

1:18:56 Guest Well, our executive director and founder, her entire time at this point has spent fundraising and trying to make sure we can stay open, so I think we just have a lot of friends.

1:19:06 Adam And they approached KROQ, though, obviously.

1:19:10 Guest I don't believe so. I think someone called us. Really?

1:19:13 Drew That's nice.

1:19:14 Adam Beautiful. Good folks over there.

1:19:16 Drew We're going to play a song from 8 Stop 7, right?

1:19:18 Adam They give money to everyone with their employees.

1:19:20 Yeah.

1:19:22 Drew Don't worry, there'll be a big parking space for them at the Christmas.

1:19:26 Guest Yeah.

1:19:26 Adam You guys aren't going to the Christmas, are you?

1:19:28 Drew No.

1:19:28 Guest No. All right.

1:19:29 Adam We get the money. That's better. I'm going to get drunk and make an ass of myself. I got to cope. You know, those on stages when we announce the band, I can't take that big crowd. I can take something to knock the edge off a little bit.

1:19:39 Drew Yeah, I've seen you.

1:19:39 Adam So you cart me out there in a refrigerator truck and we'll see how hard.

1:19:43 Drew I'd like to push out a big dolly.

1:19:45 Adam Yeah, be like Silence of the Lambs. All right, this is a band we're going to play now. I have no idea who this band is, but I'll tell you, this band, all the proceeds that they raise, or at least some of the proceeds.

1:19:58 Guest 100% of the proceeds of that single.

1:20:01 Adam 100% of the proceeds? Out of 200?

1:20:03 Guest Question everything.

1:20:03 Adam Out of 200%? 110%? 110%? 100%.

1:20:07 Guest 100%.

1:20:08 Adam So that's 50%?

1:20:10 Guest $1.99.

1:20:12 Adam Off of this single will go to Children of the Night.

1:20:15 Guest Yes.

1:20:15 Adam A very, very worthy cause. And like I said, Buck 99. For Buck 99, it's worth it just to get your hands on the jacket, just so you can put other CDs in it, right? Because you know there's ears that we're supposed to cut off. But let's give it a listen. This is 8 Stop 7. Wow, that was good.

1:24:58 Guest I wasn't expecting that to be good.

1:25:00 Adam That's good. 8 Stop 7 is the name of the band, and you can get the CD where, Vicki?

1:25:05 Guest At any Tower Records until January, or you can order it online at towerrecords.com.

1:25:11 Adam For a very, very worthy cause, you get some good music and you give the money to the right people instead of those pimps who run the record companies. Right, Drew? Otherwise known as the man?

1:25:21 Drew That's what I always say.

1:25:23 Adam Question everything is the name of that again, 8 Stop 7 and all the money. Is it $1.99? That's a chump change, especially for me because you know I'm a millionaire. Literally.

1:25:37 Drew Literally.

1:25:37 Adam A millionaire.

1:25:39 Drew You just literally jumped out of your skin too.

1:25:42 Adam Literally. Alright, ready? Who cares? Michelle?

1:25:49 Guest Yes?

1:25:50 Adam You're 20.

1:25:51 Guest Hi.

1:25:51 Adam What's up?

1:25:52 Guest Well, I have this really, really like good relationship with my mother and.

1:25:57 Adam Did he say good?

1:25:58 Guest Yeah, it's really good. I mean, I love her to pieces and well, I have like a problem when it comes to telling her that I'm gay. I see.

1:26:05 Drew You're 20.

1:26:06 Guest Yeah.

1:26:07 Drew Do you have a girlfriend right now?

1:26:08 Guest Yes, I've been with her for almost two years now.

1:26:10 Drew Okay.

1:26:10 Adam Where's your dad?

1:26:11 Guest My dad? Well, he left home around the same time I did. So.

1:26:15 Drew Which was when?

1:26:16 Adam Oh, I see.

1:26:17 Guest It didn't have any effect on me really.

1:26:18 Drew When was it? You left home?

1:26:20 Guest When I was 18.

1:26:20 Drew 18.

1:26:21 Adam I see. So they broke up then.

1:26:23 Guest Yeah. And he lives in another state now. Yeah.

1:26:26 Adam Do you love him?

1:26:27 Guest But deep down, yeah.

1:26:29 Adam Oh, deep down. On some level.

1:26:30 Guest I do hold some, like, resentment for him because he thought my mom and she was really having, like, a hard time, too. So.

1:26:36 Drew Uh-huh. Was that only when you were 18 that that all went down or had been going on for a long time?

1:26:40 Guest Yeah.

1:26:40 Guest Well, they, like, went around, maybe when I was, like, eight or nine, they weren't as close as they used to be and stuff like that.

1:26:48 Adam What turned you gay? Anything?

1:26:50 Guest Um, no.

1:26:52 Guest Nothing?

1:26:52 Guest I just, ever since I was little.

1:26:54 Adam Just in the girls?

1:26:54 Guest I was, like, girls, yeah.

1:26:56 Drew You're gay. Were you the only child? Only child?

1:26:59 Guest No. I'm the youngest, though.

1:27:01 Adam I see.

1:27:02 Drew How many?

1:27:02 Six. Whoa.

1:27:04 Adam Good. What, are you guys Catholic? Hi. Are you guys Catholic?

1:27:09 Guest No. We're not religious at all, actually.

1:27:12 Adam Just six kids. Just stupid? What's your dad do for a living?

1:27:17 Guest What?

1:27:18 Adam What's your dad do for a living?

1:27:20 Guest Construction.

1:27:20 Adam Oh, fantastic. I'm sure you guys live like kings on his salary. Idiots.

1:27:25 Guest Yeah.

1:27:25 Adam All right. So you're the youngest, right?

1:27:28 Guest Yeah.

1:27:29 Adam Is that good? So everyone's out of the house?

1:27:31 Guest All but one.

1:27:32 Adam All right. You have like a million nieces and nephews?

1:27:36 Guest Yeah. I just got my second great niece.

1:27:40 Drew Great niece?

1:27:41 Guest Great niece. Yeah. My nieces are having children now.

1:27:43 Drew Oh, my God.

1:27:44 Guest My nieces and nephews and stuff.

1:27:46 Adam All right. So anyway, listen, God bless you for being gay and not having any kids. You know, I wish the whole family would go gay. And do you think you need to, is now the time to sit mom down and tell her?

1:28:00 Guest Well, I don't know if now would be a good time because holidays are coming. Things are really tight for her right now. And her mom's like almost dying. Like, you know, she's really sick.

1:28:09 Adam Let her mom die. Or you go over there and kill her so you can tell her you're gay. But why don't you let her get through mom and in that process.

1:28:18 Drew And she's only two years out from her husband leaving, right?

1:28:21 Guest Yeah.

1:28:23 Drew Give her a little time. What's in it for you? Why the hurry?

1:28:27 Guest Oh, because I'm like, I'm really in love with who I'm with.

1:28:31 Adam Oh, you want to bring her to the Christmas and stuff like that.

1:28:34 Guest On terms of marriage and stuff, we have identical tattoos on our ring fingers. I wanted to know how happy I am.

1:28:41 Adam Hold on a sec. When you get the identical tattoo on the ring finger, that means it's going to last forever.

1:28:45 Drew Of course.

1:28:46 Adam You have to, because it is written in ink on your flesh.

1:28:49 Drew Yeah.

1:28:50 Adam Yeah.

1:28:50 Drew Identical.

1:28:51 Adam Yeah. That's it. And that's love. Where the hell was she? Karen?

1:28:58 Drew Where was she?

1:28:59 Adam What are we? Are we high?

1:29:00 Drew Four.

1:29:01 Adam Four. Okay. Hey, Michelle? All right. So, you want to bring her around. You want to start that process.

1:29:07 Guest Well, yeah, they've met her, and I don't see how they can't see she's gay, because she screams out, you know.

1:29:14 Adam She's kind of butch?

1:29:15 Guest Well, no, not butch.

1:29:16 Caller She's just...

1:29:17 Adam Who's the guy in the... Is she the guy in the relationship?

1:29:20 Guest No, there's no guy.

1:29:21 Adam There's no guy?

1:29:22 Guest No, she's just tomboyish, you know.

1:29:24 Adam So, she's the guy.

1:29:25 Drew There's no guy, though.

1:29:25 Guest Well, I mean, like, we drove up to my mom's house on a motorcycle.

1:29:29 Adam Okay. Your mom's got probably a pretty decent idea. How do you carry those golf clubs on that motorcycle? You got like a trailer or something?

1:29:38 Guest No.

1:29:38 Adam No. All right. Well, your mom knows. And listen, I do think you should tell her, and I'll say why. We tell a lot of people on this show not to tell their parents. I don't like the idea of talking to your parents, really, about anything. I don't think that's a good idea. But we have a lot of people call this show, they're 15, 16 years old, they want to tell everyone at school they're gay, and we tell them, listen, you're in for a rocky few years. People are going to find out about this. Why don't you just tell them you crapped your pants, or you're still wet your bed or something. The kids are going to pick up on this, they're liable to beat you up.

1:30:12 Drew Don't chance it. But here, this is an adult, who's, because of it being a secret, is actually having her life affected by it.

1:30:18 Adam Right, this is an adult, and if she was single, I would say, no, don't burden your mom with this. Why bother? She just got divorced.

1:30:25 Drew She also wouldn't be affected by it so much.

1:30:27 Adam Let her bury her mom. But if you're in a relationship, you're in love, you got the matching tattoos, you want to bring her over for the holidays, now it's time to sell her. So I'll go for that. Go ahead and tell her. Liz? Yes. And plus, her pulling up on a hog with a buzz cut looking like Sergeant Carter from Go More Pile. She probably got a pretty good idea.

1:30:49 Guest Pile!

1:30:52 Adam That's her favorite Pile, that favorite Sergeant Carter comedy. Pile, under no circumstances do you let anyone pass this guard gate. Do you hear me, Pile? Yes, sir, Sergeant Carter.

1:31:02 Guest No one, Sergeant Carter. No one!

1:31:04 Adam If you don't have an ID card, nobody gets on the other side of this gate. All right, Sergeant Carter, nobody gets on the other side of this gate. Fast forward five minutes. I got a hot date with Bunny Pile, I left my wallet in the back. Do you have your ID? It's in my wallet, Pile. Sorry, sir, you cannot get past this gate.

1:31:24 Guest Pile!

1:31:25 Adam Sergeant Carter told me not to let...

1:31:27 Guest I am Sergeant Carter!

1:31:29 Adam That's good comedy. And then you stretch that out for a half hour. That's funny.

1:31:33 Drew Annex and Sue.

1:31:34 Adam Yeah, Anna, you missed all the good comedy. You're too young. Imagine that Sergeant Carter trying to sneak on to his own pace.

1:31:40 Guest Huh?

1:31:41 That's funny.

1:31:44 Adam Vicki, you know what I'm talking about.

1:31:45 Guest I'm amused. I'm very amused.

1:31:47 Guest Pile!

1:31:49 Caller You...

1:31:50 Adam They made me promise that...

1:31:51 Guest That was me, Pile!

1:31:54 Caller All right.

1:31:56 Adam Right. Liz? Pile out there. Vicki? I mean Liz, sorry. What's up?

1:32:02 I have a question. I recently came in contact with the guy that I lost my virginity to. And he just happened to be coming back down to where I'm from. And so we ended up hanging out that day and everything and accidentally making out and stuff like that. And then he invited me to go over and visit him in New York and everything.

1:32:23 Drew You know, almost no matter where it goes from here, the fact that it was an accidental make out suggests to me this relationship is flawed. You know what I mean? Whenever people are giving in to attractions that run counter to their instincts, which is what you're saying. It was like, I shouldn't have done it, but accidentally it did. Forget it. Stop. Stop right there.

1:32:41 I don't want a relationship with this guy.

1:32:43 Drew Well, stop. Well, you're in. So stop.

1:32:45 Well, I want to be his friend, though.

1:32:47 Drew Oh, please, Liz, please. You'll have more accidents with him. What then?

1:32:51 Adam Yeah, you go to New York. He's going to nail you at LaGuardia.

1:32:55 So what do I say to him so that...

1:32:57 Drew I have a boyfriend.

1:32:59 But I don't.

1:33:00 Drew Well, that's what you say to him.

1:33:01 Adam Liz, you don't want to go to New York?

1:33:05 Caller Well, I do want to go. I just don't want him to...

1:33:06 Adam You go to New York, he nails you in the airport. Really? Absolutely. In one of those lockers. What happened to the lockers? Hold on a second.

1:33:15 Drew There's just not so many of them.

1:33:16 Adam I know, but there used to be... We talk about humor. There used to be a lot of locker humor. Hands coming out, like you opening a locker, hand coming out, handing you something. A lot of stuff in movies being stashed in the airport locker. Remember that? Where's the ransom money? It's in the airport locker. Where are the incriminating pictures? Where are the documents?

1:33:33 Guest Where are... They're in the airport.

1:33:35 Adam People keeping a lot of stuff in airport lockers. I don't know that they have airport lockers anymore. I like to look into that.

1:33:42 Drew They do. You put those quarters in the little side door.

1:33:44 Adam I haven't seen them. Anna, you miss airport locker humor.

1:33:48 Drew In Gomer Pile.

1:33:49 Adam In Gomer Pile, don't you? No. Don't know about airport lockers?

1:33:53 Drew He's going to tell you more about souffle, but first we're going to take a break.

1:33:56 Adam What about souffle? You know souffle humor?

1:33:58 Drew No.

1:33:59 Adam Where it falls when the guy slams the door. You don't know that? No. Okay. I'll explain that to you during the break.

1:34:05 Guest You know what I'm saying, I'm dead?

1:34:17 Guest Okay, terrific.

1:34:32 Adam All right, it is Loveline.

1:34:33 Drew Who's this?

1:34:34 Guest I don't know, but it's good.

1:34:36 Adam That is Anna. She is one of the graduates of Children of the Night, a very worthy group that K-Rock, the mother station out here, is going to give a little money to, and other people give money to, and it's, like I said, it's all going to a good cause. They take children who, well, people between the age of 11 and 17. Why those ages? 18, you're an adult, and under 11?

1:35:01 Guest We got a license to run a group home just so that we could be legitimate and above board, and they're the ones that set those age limits.

1:35:08 Caller They do.

1:35:09 Drew Adolescents need to be a part from adults. That's one of the licensing features in California.

1:35:13 Adam You cannot be an adult.

1:35:15 Drew You can't mix adolescents and adults.

1:35:16 Guest Adults can call our hotline, and we will help adults get away from pimps as well, and just give them referrals for housing.

1:35:22 Drew What's the number?

1:35:23 Adam That hotline number is 1-800-551-1300. 1-800-551-1300. You can call that anywhere around the country.

1:35:33 Guest Anywhere around the country, including Vancouver, Canada, up a little higher, and 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

1:35:39 Adam And they really, Anna has been through the program, and Anna really got you back up on your feet, right?

1:35:47 Guest Yeah, it did a lot. I look back at a lot of my journals and see how far I've come, actually, in four months. It's amazing. I mean, even Vicki can tell you, at first, I didn't care.

1:35:59 Guest I didn't think anybody cared.

1:36:00 Adam Why did you call at the beginning?

1:36:02 Guest I didn't.

1:36:03 Guest My probation officer did.

1:36:05 Adam Oh, I see. There you go.

1:36:07 Guest I didn't know anything about it.

1:36:08 Adam But there you go. Probation officer. How much do you think? I, like I said, just from a pure monetary standpoint, what does it cost, judges, cops, probation officers, the whole crime? That's a great example. Crime, drugs.

1:36:21 Guest I'm working that system, though. She was in foster care through the Department of Children's Services in another state. And they didn't do anything for me. She ran away from 30-something different programs, and they didn't know what else to do with her. So they called us, and they actually, we flew her in from Nevada.

1:36:34 Guest At first, they told me that I couldn't go there because I was in Child Protective Services. And so the lady that was working with me that is now my probation officer said, well, I'm going to go to the judge, tell him I need to put you on probation so that you could come here, come to California for the Children of the Night program and terminate GCFS custody. If that wouldn't ever happened, I would have still been doing the same things that I've done. Basically, that system failed me. They didn't work on the things that I needed to work on. They didn't help me in any way. They just continued the process of losing me in the system.

1:37:14 Adam Yeah. Yeah. And listen, as I've said many a time, it's like you can pay now or you can pay down the road. And when you pay down the road, it's going to be with a lot of interest. And that's why we need to help groups like this. You can go out and get the CD from 8Stop7, Question Everything, Buck99. Got it. Did you say Tower?

1:37:34 Guest Tower Records has donated the counter space to keep that up. And also their website. Good.

1:37:39 Adam And you know-

1:37:39 Drew And there's a tower.com?

1:37:41 Guest towerrecords.com.

1:37:42 Adam It's just, you know, for the... I got to go to a quick speech here. For those of you who... Those of you, the goddamn liberals who want the government to handle everything, this is what happens when the government handles everything. We get... everyone gets lost in the shuffle. Way too much money gets spent on nothing. You get industry involved here. You get these people like K-Rock and Tower Records. You get these bands like 8Stop7 and Warner Brothers. You get these people that come together. They know how to get stuff done. You want to go to the government and get something done. Get in line. Bunch of retards over there getting paid way too much and no one can ever get fired. You think they're going to get anything done? Go down to DMV. Go down to the Department of Building Safety, which is sadly very close to where you live, and see how much you get stuff done over there. Go get in line. You want to get something done. You go to K-Rock. You go to Tower Records. You go to Warner Brothers. You go wherever. These people, the reason, you know they get stuff done. That's how they got their business. That's how come they are what they are. And they get it done. And I'd like to see more of that.

1:38:43 Drew And also, the private sector allows a lot more flexibility so you can actually do what needs to be done.

1:38:48 Adam Well, it's not just one big ball of red tape where everyone's shuffling their feet trying to kill time before they can go take a lunch break.

1:38:56 Drew A lot of arbitrary rules are put on it. You can only keep a kid for two weeks because, after all, we have a limit of resource bar. These 90 days, they get treatment here.

1:39:03 Guest And if they need longer, we can keep them longer. It's completely individually based.

1:39:07 Adam Yeah. I'd like to sponsor one kid. Could I do that? Just pick one kid. I make them wear a sweatshirt with my name on it. I pay for the one kid. Come by the house, do a little yard work, something like that. Learn about work.

1:39:19 Guest We estimate that it costs about $5,000 to get a child off the streets and get them through our program. So you could sponsor them that way.

1:39:24 Drew That's nothing.

1:39:25 Adam If the kid could do roofing or something, I could see doing that. I could talk to my accountants, see what's the write-off.

1:39:29 Drew That is nothing compared to what incarceration costs.

1:39:31 Adam Well, listen, you want to know where the government pays for a toilet seat that you could go to Home Depot and get for $9.99? Now, factor that in with kids. Use the same math. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure $5,000 is $35,000.

1:39:45 Guest I think what failed me in the beginning, though, is when I was 12 years old and I finally got taken away from an abusive stepfather. They put me in a mental hospital and they told me because my mother committed suicide when I was 7 years old that I had a 35% chance that I would. So they locked me up in a mental hospital. That's when I was 12 years old. I think that's when the system began to fail me even worse. I think that's what messed up me more mentally and emotionally than anything ever that has happened in my life.

1:40:17 Adam It's failing you in a direct way, but it's failing in an indirect way. The people, the taxpayers that fund the system and the people that are impacted by the activities of the people who have been failed by the system, whether it be crime, drugs, prostitution, whatever is going on in their neighborhood. They're not feeling it firsthand like you felt it, but indirectly they're feeling it too. I know my ass hurts from paying 500 grand worth of taxes last year.

1:40:40 Guest When I was in there, they used to tell me to feel, to express your feelings, but then like on my birthday, my baby sister was supposed to come see me and I was locked up in a mental hospital and I was crying. They were trying to force me to take meds.

1:40:55 Adam Right.

1:40:55 Guest So that's another way that I was failed.

1:40:59 Adam Right.

1:40:59 Guest They tell me to feel, but then they drug me up so that I can't feel. It makes absolutely no sense.

1:41:05 Adam What meds were they giving you?

1:41:07 Guest I was on Trazodone, Welbutrin, Tec... Depakote, Prozac, Paxil.

1:41:12 Guest All at the same time?

1:41:14 Guest Different times.

1:41:15 Adam Can you get me some of that? You don't feel on those?

1:41:18 Guest They drug you up so bad, a lot of the times they'll over drug you to where you sleep all day, you don't remember anything, you don't feel at all. And it just makes it worse because when you come off the drugs, you're feeling all of that and it overwhelms you even more. Right.

1:41:38 Caller All right.

1:41:38 Adam We got to take ourselves a break. Merry Christmas, everybody. Take them, take them serotonin reuptake inhibitors and we'll be back after this.

1:41:49 Caller Back in a minute.

1:41:50 Caller This evening, Loveline is presented by Car Toys right here on 94.7 NRK, The New Rock Alternative.

1:42:08 Caller This is Brendan from Weedis, and you're listening to Loveline on 947 NRK.

1:42:16 Adam Yeah, there we go. Alright everybody, here's the number you call if you're between 11 and 17 and you've got some problems around on the street and into prostitution, and God knows what else. 1-800-551-1300, 1-800-551-1300. I want to thank Vicki and Anna for coming in here from Children of the Night, a very worthy cause.

1:42:36 Guest Thank you, thank you.

1:42:38 Adam And I want to thank Lauren for doing a great job on the phones and lead coffee. I want to thank producer Ann for really doing a great job all week booking and getting us all lined up with our tickets and helping us out. And of course, the ever changing colored haired one. Known is engineer Anderson, who's putting in big weeks over there at the junior college and doing a wonderful job over here in the real school of life. So, until next time, this is Adam Crawford, Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:43:07 Guest You love Fat Camp, don't you, Lardos?

1:43:10 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Engel. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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