Episode 1000754887283

0:01 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience. Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion advised. Now, here's Loveline. 1-800-LOVE-191 with Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla.

0:14 Voiceover What are you insane?

1:02 Dr. Bruce Bekkar 10, 12 years ago, we were of a mind when couples wanted to get pregnant to tell them to have sex right around the time of ovulation, and then maybe a day or two later. More recent data that's come out now suggests that a lot of times, or most pregnancies, probably 70, 80 percent of them occur if sex occurs just prior to the time of ovulation. If they have sex after ovulation, it's probably not as common. But I think in order to really address what Adam's talking about, I have to say that I think most men, at least from the work that we've done, don't even know when ovulation occurs.

1:33 Drew Or what ovulation is.

1:34 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, exactly what we're talking about. And that's why the book starts out with the very first chapter talking about pelvic anatomy and then having a short section on the menstrual cycle. So that we can just make them kind of familiar with these terms. I mean, a woman wants to be able to say estrogen to her boyfriend or some other terminology that relates to her physiology without having him blast out of the room and head for the garage and try to fix something out there.

1:55 Adam Well, it's not that we're stupid, it's just we're not interested. I mean, speaking of the garage, we're really as interested in the vaginas as women are in cars. Women drive cars. Drew, your wife relies on her car just as much as you do. Right. She's been driving for just as long as you have. And most women who live in metropolitan areas do. Yet they know nothing about their car and they're not interested. And that's basically how guys approach it. Although it would behoove women to learn a little something about their car and it would behoove guys to learn a little something about the vagina.

2:29 Drew It would behoove men to learn something about the car.

2:30 Adam That's true. You could learn something too. Like where the goddamn steering wheel is. You don't know anything. You're like a chick. We're going for a nut check later.

2:39 Drew I think I checked under the hood once with you.

2:42 Adam Right. Yeah. It took you 20 minutes to find the lanch to get the hood open anyway. So you're a gynecologist, right, Bruce? You look at vaginas all day long. That is your gig, right?

2:55 Dr. Bruce Bekkar That's a fair amount of it, yeah.

2:56 Adam And how many do you figure you look at a day? I mean on an average day?

3:01 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well if we're talking about a day in the office, probably 25 or 30.

3:05 Adam 25 or 30. So what is that? About 12 lineal feet of crotch. How's that work out? And there's got to be some women you're glad to see come in the office and then others that's a little more difficult, right? I mean be honest, you're a man. You know what I'm saying? Do you charge all of them the same amount? That's what I'm saying.

3:27 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I work for Kaiser down in San Diego and one of the beauties of that kind of work is I don't think about billing and payment. But to answer your question, they're all interesting and enjoyable on different levels certainly. Some look different than others.

3:41 Adam But it's got to be nice when you have some good luck.

3:44 Drew Oh Adam, give him a break.

3:45 Adam Well, I mean, It's obvious where you're going.

3:47 Drew All right, let it go.

3:50 Adam All right, well, let's get back to Kaiser for a second. The permanente part. Never been a big fan of that plan, putting the permanente on the hospital sign. It just sounds like you're never leaving. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know who this permanente is. I don't know when Kaiser tacked it on there. Kaiser's been around for 50 years. The permanente has been around for like nine years. I just don't know whose plan it was to put permanente on the side of the hospital. But I would bring it up at the next meeting.

4:19 Dr. Bruce Bekkar That's a good point. I've really never thought about that.

4:21 Adam Is there somebody named permanente?

4:23 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I hope not.

4:24 Adam Permanente just means permanent, doesn't it?

4:26 Drew Bruce, don't agree with him. It kind of gets him going. He might keep going.

4:29 Adam Am I right about this?

4:30 Drew No, Adam.

4:31 Adam Put permanente on the side of a goddamn hospital.

4:34 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I think it's Latin for good health. Isn't that really what permanente means?

4:37 Adam I know. I think permanent. To me, it's like you check in, you never check out. It's the Roach Motel, if you ask me. I've never gone back to Kaiser since they put the permanente on the side.

4:46 Drew Why don't you show me your hand?

4:48 Adam Oh, my hand?

4:49 Drew He's having surgery on Monday.

4:50 Adam He's a gynecologist. I got this cyst on the palm of my hand here. I'm getting a little light surgery on Friday. It should be okay, right, Doc?

5:00 Dr. Bruce Bekkar There's at least a 50-50 chance you'll come back.

5:02 Adam Hey, those are good odds for me. Aaron?

5:05 Yeah.

5:05 Adam You're 18.

5:06 Caller I am. I live in Chicago and my sister lives in New Mexico and she's 14.

5:12 Drew Hey, let me interrupt one second before you teleport. Bruce is going to be on drdrew.com. He's going to have a section where he's going to be participating and writing articles and if anybody has any further questions for Bruce, you can register at drdrew.com and go ahead and leave us questions for either me or Bruce and we are happy to have your questions. We're trying to answer everybody's questions coming through that, through that drdrew.com.

5:34 Adam Bruce, have you done much retrieval work? You know, stuff getting caught up there? You know, I'm talking about condoms, garden implements, things, things that got caught up there, tampons. Do you do much of that or is that a specialty job?

5:49 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Drew, I think he's been waiting with some of these questions for a while.

5:51 Drew No, it's just the beginning.

5:53 Adam That just popped into my head.

5:54 Drew He channels, he doesn't think about things, whatever comes in his mind.

5:58 Adam Do you do much, I guess, what you call little help kind of work?

6:02 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Occasional requests for various things.

6:05 Adam Do you have an instrument to use or just go in?

6:09 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, we use a little instrument.

6:11 Drew What is that thing called?

6:12 Dr. Bruce Bekkar A little forceps, a ring forceps or something like that.

6:15 Adam Those things you use at the carnival that drop down on the stuffed animal that you try to pull out of that little, you work the little robotic arms.

6:22 Drew It's like a crane.

6:23 Adam Right. Aaron? Yeah.

6:25 Drew Go ahead. Sister's 14.

6:26 Caller Sister's 14. She lives in New Mexico. She's my half sister on my father's side. And her mother and my father both live in New Mexico with her. And recently she had a threesome with her girlfriend and another guy. And her mother and my dad gave her permission to do this.

6:45 Drew What? What?

6:45 Caller What?

6:45 Drew What?

6:47 Caller Yeah.

6:47 Drew Help me understand this.

6:48 Adam How do you know about it? How do you know?

6:51 Caller She told me. She and I are very close.

6:53 Adam Jesus. I hope I never get that close with my sister.

6:56 Drew You got to tell me. I don't understand the context here. I'm sitting at dinner, mom, dad, I need your permission, your blessing.

7:03 Caller Yeah. It kind of came out of nowhere for me too.

7:05 Adam It's like one of those field trip notes they send you home from school with.

7:09 Drew It's the follow up of Fiddler on the Roof.

7:11 Caller Well, her mom apparently had a lot of issues when she was growing up.

7:14 Drew Yeah, evidently.

7:15 Caller She gave her daughter complete sexual freedom and yeah, but that's throughout her life.

7:20 Drew But complete sexual freedom of expression is not inducing acting out behaviors.

7:26 Caller I agree.

7:27 Drew That's bad news for your sister.

7:29 Adam Anyway, your stepmom is, wait a minute, is it your stepmom, whatever the hell she is, is screwed up. She's screwing up.

7:37 Caller She told my dad, my dad said, well, if that's what you want to do, go ahead.

7:41 Drew What's up with your dad?

7:42 Adam Look, he's the idiot who married her. What do you mean, what's up? Yeah, your dad's a piece of work. It's a good thing you're not living with him.

7:48 Caller That's right.

7:49 Adam Who are you living with?

7:50 Caller Myself.

7:51 Adam Oh, good.

7:52 Caller Yeah. Okay.

7:53 Adam All right, stay away from these people as much as possible.

7:57 Caller Well, I do love them all, but they, she didn't go all the way. They did everything but have sex. But, and I'm just kind of wondering, she was out here for about two weeks afterwards on a vacation. And we were talking about, and I was just kind of wondering if I can, what I can tell her that might dissuade her from, you know, future behavior like this.

8:20 Drew Ask her if it made her feel good about herself.

8:23 Caller Yeah, I did. And she said, she said she feels great about it. Doesn't regret it at all. It was a wonderful experience for her.

8:29 Adam Tell her to listen to this show.

8:31 Caller Yeah, they don't get it up there where she is.

8:34 Drew Where is she?

8:35 Caller She's in Towson.

8:37 Adam All right. Well, that's it.

8:39 Drew She's doomed to a life of prostitution. You're going to need to get her to hear the experiences of her peers. She's not going to listen to you, especially with a mom like that. You're going to have to sort of point out to her whether people have bad experiences and don't feel so good when they engage in behaviors that are acting out pay.

8:57 Adam Now listen, he's not going to be able to do anything. When should a woman start going to the gynecologist?

9:03 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, she needs a pap smear and a pelvic exam annually as soon as she becomes sexually active, or 18. That's what we're saying. Or 18, yeah.

9:11 Adam So before that, you're all right, unless you become sexually active.

9:16 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I think if a young girl has not passed either of those milestones, but she's having a problem, if she's having a lot of pain in the pelvic area, some strange, you know, complain to her then she ought to go at that time.

9:28 Drew Oh, Adam has lots of questions about hymens.

9:30 Adam Yeah.

9:31 Drew Go ahead.

9:31 Adam I could do, I was going to do the last hour in just hymens, but you want to start that now?

9:36 Drew Go ahead.

9:36 Adam I'll probably do an hour and 45. Well, wait a minute, I'm going to get into the hymen just yet.

9:42 Drew You were laying in waiting about that.

9:43 Adam Well, we were talking about the hymen last night and Drew brought something up that I had heard before that hymens can be sort of partially pierced and still intact and actually have holes in them. And that's how he said, that's where the blood comes through when you have the, what's that there, the period, right? But is that true? I don't believe Drew.

10:07 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah. A lot of hymens are just naturally not a perfect seal over the vagina.

10:14 Adam And how big is your average hymen?

10:18 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Big enough to cover most of the opening.

10:20 Adam Just like four by eight feet or how big is that? I've never seen a vagina.

10:25 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Two by three centimeters.

10:27 Adam Two by three centimeters. I only know millimeters. How many millimeters is that?

10:31 Dr. Bruce Bekkar 20 by 30.

10:32 Adam 20 by 30.

10:33 Drew Okay.

10:33 Adam 26 millimeters is in an inch. So it's a strong inch and a weak inch basically. And that's not bad.

10:41 Drew How do, when would you decide to do, to assist surgical rupture?

10:47 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, if she's, you were, I guess, alluding to talking about a problem that could happen with hymens where the blood couldn't come out with menstrual periods, there's a condition that can result from that. So certainly if she's getting into trouble with it.

11:00 Drew Or if we have occasionally have people describing, initiating their sexual activity and not being able to, because they couldn't, it's very painful and they're concerned that something's still there.

11:10 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's a pretty rare problem.

11:12 Adam So all women, okay, let me figure, let me get this hymen thing straight. And how far in is the hymen? I mean, can you get in there at all before running into the hymen?

11:22 Drew You're going to need a new chapter in your book here. Can you see, can you see?

11:24 Dr. Bruce Bekkar A whole special section on hymen.

11:26 Adam So, I mean, soon as you go into the vagina, there's the hymen.

11:30 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Pretty much right at the door, right at the entrance.

11:33 Adam And the hymen is sort of like the vagina's bouncer. If you really think about it, it's like a big fat black guy just stands in front of the door and doesn't let anybody in.

11:43 Drew I'm imagining a cartoon here, too.

11:45 Adam Are all women born with the hymen, or does it start to form at some point?

11:51 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Pretty much there from birth.

11:52 Adam It's there at the beginning. And then most women start their menstrual cycle before the hymen has broken, correct?

12:02 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, again, it's not common that the hymen is a perfect seal. Right. So menstrual blood can come out, and she doesn't really have a problem because it's there until she decides to become sexual, and then it can get in the way.

12:14 Adam Right. So there's ways for it to drain off the blood through there. And that's what, 90% of them?

12:21 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, probably more than 95. Yeah, it's almost all women.

12:24 Adam Yeah, because otherwise, poor gal would explode. And what, Anne wants to know if a tampon would break it.

12:32 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Probably not. It's probably not strong enough, but there's probably enough room to use one. In most cases.

12:38 Drew Without breaking it.

12:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah.

12:39 Adam You got to use the napkin, or you should use the napkin at the beginning, the pad.

12:45 Drew No, that's what I was saying.

12:46 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I wouldn't give a young girl a rule like that. I think she needs to do what's comfortable.

12:51 Adam Well, if you have some hymen in you, isn't it going to be hard to get a tampon up in there?

12:57 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It depends on how much it covers the opening. And again, if it's uncomfortable, then she can use a pad.

13:03 Adam Is it in poor taste to eat the hymen after it's expelled from the body?

13:07 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I don't think I've ever come across that.

13:09 Adam Oh, yeah.

13:10 Drew Did you say you wanted to keep yours like in a...?

13:13 Adam I'm going to put mine between the pages of a Bible. Right. With my daughter. And does it come out? Does it just sort of come undone or does it come out like one piece?

13:22 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No. I think it pretty much tears.

13:24 Adam It just tears and sort of goes away?

13:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's a thin membrane. It's really not a real substantial structure and in most women, it doesn't cover a whole lot of room.

13:33 Adam All right.

13:34 Drew Sometimes it can be thick and fibrous, though, right?

13:36 Adam Now, will the normal girl, let's just say you're a virgin. You think your hymen, a hymen on a normal 18-year-old would still be in place if she was a virgin or would it just go away through some other means?

13:49 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It would probably be a partial obstruction, probably less than and was there when she was 12.

13:54 Adam Right.

13:54 Dr. Bruce Bekkar But still noticeable the first time she had sex. Yeah.

13:57 Adam What about at 25?

14:00 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Probably not a huge change between 18 and 25.

14:02 Adam So, I always thought that if you made it to 25 and you were still a virgin, your hymen should have been gone anyway just through, I don't know, horseback riding or something involving a jungle gym or some mishap, a four-wheel drive automobile. You know what I'm saying? But you're saying at 25, if you're a virgin, the hymen will still be in there or at least enough of it.

14:27 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Pretty much it would still be noticeable the first time she had sex.

14:30 Adam Do you ever do any hymen repair or reinstallation of hymens or any of that kind of work?

14:36 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I've never been asked to do that.

14:37 Adam There's good money in that. I don't know. There's a lot of the Arab nations, but you could really make some serious money doing that. Have you heard of that?

14:45 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, actually, I haven't heard of that.

14:46 Adam Oh, yeah. You got to listen to Talk Radio.

14:49 Caller Rick?

14:50 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah.

14:51 Adam You're 19.

14:52 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah.

14:52 Adam Yeah, they talk about it.

14:54 Drew Are you serious?

14:55 Adam Sure.

14:55 Drew Who talks about it?

14:56 Adam Well, listen, if you're in a culture where that's a very important thing and you're trying to marry your daughter off to some chic or something, then that's the best $2,500 you're ever going to spend, right?

15:09 Drew After they perform the circumcision and take the clitoris off and then they sew back the hymen.

15:14 Adam No, I'm talking about-

15:17 Drew Female genital mutilation. That seems to me to be part of that whole-

15:20 Adam I don't think it's the same culture. This is the opposite. We're putting you back together. We're giving you extra. Rick?

15:27 Yeah.

15:28 Adam You're 19.

15:29 Caller Recently, I've been having a lot of pubes fall out in the morning. Yeah. Is that regular or what?

15:38 Adam I don't know. Is that regular, doc? Docs?

15:40 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I'm going to pass this to Drew.

15:41 Drew You know, there's two medical conditions I'm aware of that will cause this that are of relevance and one is adrenal insufficiency and the other is thyroid disease. Though usually, you wouldn't see that in a young person. You're 19. You see it mostly in older folks. Like over 50. But if you really are visibly losing hair, I think it's worth having those things tested.

16:05 Caller It's just like three or four hairs falling in the toilet each morning.

16:08 Adam Oh, that's nothing.

16:09 Drew That would be normal.

16:10 Adam That's fine. Yeah. Is your pub brush all full with hair?

16:16 Drew How about your legs? Your legs have normal hair?

16:17 Caller Yeah.

16:18 Drew Okay.

16:18 Caller Yeah.

16:19 Drew I wouldn't worry about it.

16:20 Adam Hey, Rick, don't waste our time, you idiot. And then like a couple of pubes in the toilet in the morning. Jesus Christ, we have heroin addicts waiting to call in this show.

16:30 Caller All right. One more question. Like both of my nuts are like uneven, like one's like a basketball and like a soccer ball.

16:36 Drew So it suddenly, Adam's preoccupation with the hymen, it seems rather nominal, doesn't it? You have to hear what our callers are obsessed about.

16:42 Adam That's a great example, by the way, the basketball and the soccer ball. Both about the same size ball. That's a worst goddamn example I've ever heard in my life.

16:55 Drew That's fine.

16:55 Adam Don't worry.

16:56 Drew There should be some symmetry there. One has a lower one. They're not usually in the same position.

17:02 Adam What about the ball itself? Are they usually a little different shape?

17:06 Drew Little.

17:07 Adam Really?

17:08 Drew I wonder if he's...

17:10 Adam He's got problems.

17:11 Drew I wonder if he just had late onset puberty or something. He's just now dealing with all this.

17:16 Adam Rick?

17:17 Drew Rick, how old were you when you started getting here?

17:19 Caller Probably about 14 or 15.

17:21 Drew So your puberty, you sort of had normal growth and development. It's not as though suddenly everything turned on just recently.

17:27 Caller Yeah. All right.

17:28 Adam Hey, Rick. Rick.

17:29 Drew You had a hobby.

17:30 Adam Yeah. I'm going to cure you right now. You need a magazine to read while you're on the head. You sit there and stare at your junk and go insane. Counting pubic hairs floating in the water, staring at a scrotum, you know, you got to pick up by like a newsweek or something, brother.

17:45 Caller All right.

17:46 Adam All right.

17:46 Caller Thank you.

17:47 Adam Okay. You got to, Drew, you put you have magazines by your toilet.

17:52 Caller Books.

17:53 Adam Books. Really? I don't I don't do that because I'll be parked. You know what I'm saying? I want to get in and out. I don't camp out there.

18:01 Drew You described once in great detail that the cleanup maneuvers you must go through. I think if you could park for a while if you got that that seat that we found in New York.

18:09 Adam Trying to you know when we stayed at the Riga Royal Hotel in New York they have a toilet seat that shoots water in your ass. It's it's I recommend a trip to New York just to sit on the seat. I really do. Drew how fast did I tell you about that?

18:24 Drew He called me you're still there.

18:25 Adam This is the greatest thing ever.

18:26 Drew We couldn't get you out to do our interviews that night.

18:28 Adam Shot hot water right in your ass. I was a new man and I got to get this seat. I got to get this seat.

18:34 Drew You've been talking about this since morning.

18:35 Adam I know but now I mean it. Now my ass deserves it.

18:40 Drew I do recall you describing. Oh God. What was I saying? I can't repeat it.

18:46 Adam What was it?

18:47 Drew That your usual clean up maneuvers are like taking peanut butter out of shag carpet.

18:51 Adam That's right. It's a messy proposition. With this new spraying toilet seat, it's a totally different ball game. Alright, Dr. Bruce Bekkar is here. He has written, what's the name of the book there?

19:04 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology.

19:06 Adam That's right.

19:07 Drew He will be a regular, I hope, regularly at drdrew.com. He certainly will be up the second week after launch. He'll be, it's the middle of October. He'll be able to read his stuff.

19:16 Adam He's a gynecologist. He looks at an average of 25 vaginas a day when he goes into the office. And when he's at home, it's 55 vaginas a day. He left that part out of the story. And we will take a little break. Oh, well, you know, the Man Show is on tonight, kiddies. It's just getting to be about that time there in Comedy Central. I thought I'd give a shout out to my other, more lucrative show. We'll take a little break. And when we come back, who are we going to talk to, Drew? We're going to talk to Mike. Mike's 14th girlfriend said that she broke her hymen with a tampon. Mike wants to know if it's possible. We'll ask Dr. Bruce after this.

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20:41 Caller Man turns animal for the erotic pleasures of women.

20:45 It's lovely.

20:58 Adam Okay, I know all of them. I'm ready to take over. I'll tell you what, Bruce, tomorrow, when you're, you know, when you've pulled up into the vaginal stall there and you're going to work, why don't we just have me just slide in and do a little of that, you know, guest gynecologist kind of thing, where the woman, like, I could see the reaction being like, the woman being like, huh? Oh, you know what I mean? And then you just kind of talk me through things.

21:24 Drew You're like, huh?

21:27 Adam No, I think it would be more like, huh?

21:30 Drew There.

21:31 Adam Oh, aren't you from The Man Show? It's not on Comedy Central 1030 on Wednesday nights. Yeah, it's the night. Dr. Bruce Bekar is the author of Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology. And it's really a must read for all our bonehead listeners. It's something that I really think, like we talked about earlier, guys aren't interested and don't want to know, but it could change a guy's life. I mean, you could not get a venereal disease. You could not knock somebody up. I mean, you think about unlocking those mysteries down there in those underpants. You'd know when someone was going to get pregnant. There's a ton of stuff there.

22:17 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, we used to think that guys really might not be all that interested, that really we'd have to sell this book to women and have them insist that their partners read it. But I've been teaching a class along with Dr. Juan for the past year, almost. And we get a really nice turnout every time. We teach it every month at Kaiser. And these guys seem to stay, you know, well after the class is over. They have a million questions. It's literally like they've been waiting to have a class like this forever. I think typically most guys realize that their dads didn't understand women at all, really. As far as these topics were concerned. And they just sort of signed off on it. I think most guys figure, yeah, someday maybe I could know how to fix a car, but I'm certainly never going to know what makes women tick. But we're really finding through teaching this class, every month we have such a nice turnout and the guys are so enthusiastic that there are a lot of guys that really are curious and see the usefulness, like you were mentioning.

23:09 Adam Well, and guys are looking for an edge, you know what I mean? And that's what it is, I'm sure, for a lot of them. They just figure, if they can figure out this Rubik's Cube that's in their panties, they may get a little more trans. You know what I'm saying?

23:21 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, the fact of the matter is, if they're real supportive of their partners in any way, and particularly in this way, the woman is going to appreciate him more, and it pays off for both of them. They're both happier.

23:33 Adam All right. When did you realize, when in your education did you realize you wanted to get into the gynecology?

23:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar You're not going to like this answer because it's not all that exciting.

23:42 Adam Fourth grade? Seriously.

23:43 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It was in my third year of medical school, because I did a great rotation over at Women's Hospital up at LA. County and I just realized there's a whole lot of variety. It's a very dynamic kind of a specialty.

23:54 Adam Hold on. That LA. County boon tank is not what you call quality. I've been down to LA. County.

24:01 Drew I did my rotations there too.

24:03 Adam With the chicks?

24:04 Drew After I hadn't slept for about five nights on my 27th baby, I thought this is not for me. This is not for me.

24:10 Adam Yeah.

24:10 Drew I mean, I had like 22 babies or something.

24:13 Dr. Bruce Bekkar The first day?

24:14 Drew It's insane.

24:15 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah. Usually around the 20th or 21st, someone comes in and actually tells you how to do it.

24:19 Drew Oh, there was nobody in the room when I was doing it.

24:21 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Right.

24:21 Drew Yeah. There was usually a resident in the next room sort of yelling at me when to...

24:26 Adam Is LA. County better in County USC?

24:28 Drew Same thing.

24:28 Adam Same place?

24:29 Drew Same place.

24:30 Adam I don't want to see anyone naked in that place. That's bad. That's got to be scary.

24:35 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's actually, it teaches you how to speak medical Spanish real fast.

24:38 Adam Oh, man.

24:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Empuey, empuey.

24:40 Adam Oh, that's it.

24:41 No empuey.

24:42 Adam I gotta tell you, work in the Vagina Ward over at County USC, that is just, that is not a good hand that's been dealt to you at all. I can't believe that's what got you into it.

24:54 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, it's a very fun specialty. It's a lot of variety and unlike a lot of parts of medicine, we deal with usually with people that are pretty healthy and they get better. We can do things for them. You know, it's different that way.

25:07 Adam All right. You know, it's just the County USC part. I go work like on the set of some movie or something, you know, where, you know, it'd be great. Mike, you go on that, Say By The Bell or something like that, you know, you'd be like a set gynecologist.

25:24 Drew Mike, what's going on?

25:25 Hi.

25:26 Drew How would you learn what the hell is going on? How would you ever see sick people?

25:29 Adam I don't care. Mike, you're 14.

25:32 Caller I'd like to say I was a long time listener, first time calling.

25:34 Great.

25:36 Caller And Adam, me and my friends all think that you are like the funniest guy ever.

25:40 Adam Oh, thanks.

25:42 Caller And we think that Loveline is a really good show.

25:44 Adam Thank you.

25:44 Caller The best talk show.

25:45 Adam All right. Well, you're very young.

25:46 Drew Where are you calling from?

25:48 Caller From Oakland.

25:50 Drew Okay, go ahead.

25:52 Caller Well, my girlfriend said she was a virgin at the beginning of our relationship. Like, it just came up somehow. And we were planning on having sex. And I was like, so will there be a hymen to break? And she said that it wasn't because she had broken it with a tampon. And I heard Dr. Bruce say that you can't do it. And I was wondering if she was lying to me or what? Like, can it be, can it happen, like, at all?

26:23 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, I want to be clear. It's hard to make a general statement, you know, in any kind of a medical circumstance, have it apply to everybody. I think it is certainly possible that she tore her hymen a little bit with a tampon or with something else. And she may just be trying to tell you that it's not going to be maybe like what you're expecting it to be, you know, really uncomfortable for her and bleeding a lot and things like that. So, I don't think you know definitely from what she said, but it's certainly possible that that's true.

26:54 Caller Yeah, she told me that that like when she was first started using the tampon, it was like hard to get in in the beginning. And then she like said it like hurt a little bit for like for like an hour or something.

27:05 Adam Hey, Mike. Yeah, you're 14. You sure you don't want to play some Nintendo or something? I just want to sit around and talk about the vagina with your with your girlfriend all day. What the hell is going on in this country? How much serious vaginal talk can you take at 14 without just going insane? Do you know what I mean? I didn't want to know about that. That meant my mom had what at 14? I still don't believe she has one. All right, Mike. She's what do you think she's doing? Dating Merchant Marine or something? She's 14.

27:37 Caller She could be.

27:39 Adam Listen, if you don't trust her, get out of the relationship. But don't use the Hymen as the litmus test, okay? All right, she's fine. She's a virgin.

27:50 Caller Great. Okay.

27:51 Adam Thanks a lot. Hey, Dr. Bruce, Dr. Bruce, the gynecologist, not Dr. Bruce, Dr. Bruce.

27:58 Dr. Bruce Bekkar My friend.

27:59 Adam Drew's friend. I either say you don't like this, Bruce. Okay, whatever. What I'm saying is, is the gynecologist, is the hymen more durable at, let's say, 13 than it would be at 26?

28:12 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's probably a little bit more intact at 13.

28:15 Adam And would it be more bleeding and more discomfort if it was broken at 13 as opposed to 26?

28:21 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I doubt that study's ever been done, but I bet you it's true.

28:23 Adam I need to get involved with that one. We need someone to nail 26-year-old virgins. All righty. Where's that list? Kristen?

28:35 Yeah?

28:35 Adam You're 16.

28:36 Caller Yeah. Hi. I love the show. You guys teach a lot of people, I think, great stuff.

28:40 Adam Thanks.

28:41 Caller Adam, you're really funny. Okay. I'm 16 and I have not started my period yet, and I developed really late. I didn't develop really anything until I was like 14, beginning, turning 15. I was wondering if it was because of that, or if I have a problem or what.

29:00 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, are you healthy otherwise?

29:02 Caller Yeah. I mean, I eat right, play sports, get enough sleep and stuff like that.

29:06 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Is your development moving along otherwise physically? Have your breasts developed and pubic hair and things like that?

29:11 Caller Yeah. But I mean, nothing significant in the past six months or anything.

29:16 Dr. Bruce Bekkar But do you look the same as other girls your age at this point?

29:20 Caller Well, I'm a lot shorter and stuff like that, but I mean, I know I've heard that the normal age is like 8 to 16, but I think I'm like the only 16 year old. I know that hasn't started yet.

29:30 Adam Well, 8?

29:31 Caller Yeah, I've heard. I don't know.

29:33 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, I think she's pretty close. I would say it would be a good idea for you to go in and see somebody and maybe have a little bit of blood work done and a brief exam. And you'll probably find out everything is fine, but you'll sleep better knowing that.

29:46 Caller Because I talked to my mom and she didn't start her until she was 15. So I don't...

29:50 Drew It tends to go in families. Right. And it's also late onset puberty is associated with longevity. So it's good news.

29:56 Adam Right, you have your period forever.

29:59 Drew Why don't you describe some of the possibilities of no primary amenorrhea?

30:05 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It can be what we were talking about earlier. If a woman had an imperfect hymen, a young girl had that. And again, that's rare. And imperfect is a big word basically, just meaning it completely seals the vagina so no blood comes out. But probably more commonly when a girl hasn't started her periods by this time, she's got all the right hormones going around, but she's not cycling. And she simply just hasn't built up enough lining yet for it to come out. So that's what I was thinking is probably more likely than anything. Typically when you've just started...

30:34 Drew I'm asking you a funny question. She's short. Would Turner's or polycystic ovarian syndrome be considerations?

30:40 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, Turner's is more to what you're describing, not PCO. But PCO was one of those conditions, polycystic ovary, where all the hormones are there, but a woman just doesn't cycle. And so she doesn't bleed.

30:54 Adam No one starts cycling at eight years old though, do they?

30:58 Dr. Bruce Bekkar That's the youngest, I would think.

31:00 Adam No, what's the average? Like 12, 13?

31:02 Dr. Bruce Bekkar 12 or 13.

31:03 Adam Is it getting younger?

31:04 Drew Yeah. That's what I hear.

31:06 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Maybe a little.

31:08 Adam I mean, it's not dropped two years in a hundred years?

31:13 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, no, no. If anything, it's very slight.

31:15 Adam Just a couple of weeks, maybe an hour and a half, something like that. How much, as a gynecologist, how much breast grabbing do you do? Do you know what I'm saying?

31:25 Drew Not as much as the radiologists do.

31:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar None at all.

31:27 Adam You don't go?

31:28 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I do breast exam.

31:29 Adam You do that?

31:30 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, that's a little different.

31:32 Adam Now, if you have a breast exam and a gynecological exam, wouldn't you just as a gentleman start with the breast and then go down? It seems a little out of order to go for the vagina and then go up for the breast. You know what I'm saying?

31:47 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I can't speak for how anybody else does it, but that's the order I use. I start up top and work my way down.

31:54 Adam Do you have a technique for taking the bra off? Is it a smooth move? I mean, sort of a snap of the finger? I mean, you must be very good at it by now with the bra.

32:03 Drew Just don't answer it.

32:03 That's not a serious question. I know.

32:05 Caller I'll let that go.

32:07 Adam I'd be impressive though, you know, if you did that sort of fancy-like maneuver, you put the hand up the poodle sweater and you just do that snap and the bra goes flying off. What, is there someone who takes the bra off, Drew, or how does that work?

32:19 Drew The patient.

32:20 Adam Oh, really? Oh, you let them take their own bra off? Wow, that's forward.

32:26 Caller All right.

32:28 Adam We'll take a little break. Dr. Bruce Bekar is here. He is authored a fantabulous book. It's called Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology. We're talking all about it. Hey, let's go watch the man show, everybody. We'll be back after this. Yeah, hello. It is Love Line. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Our guest tonight is Dr. Bruce Bekkar. He's the one and only writer of Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology, who actually had a little help from Udo Wan, who's an MD and a gynecologist himself, I'm sure. This is a partner of yours.

33:36 Dr. Bruce Bekkar He's one of my partners. He's the guy who came up with the idea for the book, and we argued about it for about a month and said, you know, there's no way we could write a book that would be any fun for a guy to read, that wouldn't be really politically incorrect. But we've made it interactive. There are quizzes at the beginning of every chapter. We try to throw a little bit of humor in there where we can tastefully do it. And I think overall, it doesn't read like a textbook.

33:59 Adam No, it's fun and informative. You have basic female stuff, female anatomy, and there's yeast infections and bacteria and gonorrhea, and it really, it's like a road map around the vagina. It really, you know, help you navigate that difficult, oftentimes treacherous terrain, right, Drew?

34:22 Drew If you say so.

34:24 Adam Oh, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone, man. All right, what are we doing here? Who are we talking to, Drew?

34:30 Drew Where are you leaving?

34:31 Adam Soon, sooner than you think. Emma.

34:34 Hi.

34:34 Adam You're 17.

34:36 Caller Yeah, well, my mom's been really worried lately because my aunt is threatening us.

34:45 Adam Your mom is worried because your aunt is threatening you?

34:48 Caller Yeah, she's not really like, she's not really sane right now. She's really screwed up.

34:54 Adam Is that your mom's sister?

34:55 Caller Uh-huh, yeah.

34:57 Adam And what's she threatening to do?

34:59 Caller Well, okay, well, this is how it's, well, she's, well, supposedly, she's accusing, she's accusing my dad of molesting my cousin, her.

35:09 Drew Is there any possibility of that?

35:11 Caller Well, I don't think so. I don't even think she would be able to know this because he didn't, he didn't grow up with her. She, she got pregnant when she was 15 and she left him with my grandma. And he has been living with my grandma.

35:25 Drew Has your dad ever abused any other children?

35:27 Caller No.

35:27 Drew You've never done anything weird to you?

35:29 Caller No.

35:30 Adam Has he been a good dad to you?

35:32 Caller Yeah, really good. I get along more along with my dad than with my mom. I'm more open with my dad. I could talk about him with him about anything about my period, about any problem I have. I'm not really that close with my mom, except lately she's been really nervous and she told us to be very careful because she really thinks that my aunt might come and try to harm us really bad.

35:58 Drew Why don't you get a restraining order, call the authorities, do the appropriate things?

36:02 Caller But my mom is afraid that she's trying to do that to us already. She's been trying to get a restraining order.

36:08 Drew Why do you care?

36:09 Caller Because my mom, okay, my mom is really nervous. She has like high blood pressure and she's been on so many like drugs, prescription drugs, and nothing helps her. And she really, like sometimes she tries to, she suffocates in her sleep because of all the tension.

36:27 Adam Okay, but hold on. What's that have to do with your aunt getting a restraining order?

36:31 Caller Okay, well, see, you know how she accusing my dad of molesting my cousin?

36:36 Adam Right.

36:37 Caller She, she, she says she wants to get revenge of everybody, all of us in the family.

36:42 Adam Right. Okay. I'm hip to that. But an hour and a half ago, we were talking about restraining orders. We suggested that you get one and you said you can't, she's getting one.

36:52 Drew We said, great.

36:52 Adam And he said, fine.

36:54 Drew Stay away.

36:55 Caller Okay. Well, I'm sorry to confuse you. Okay. She's trying to get my dad in trouble literally with the law to get him anything.

37:02 Adam Okay.

37:03 Caller Okay.

37:03 Adam Right.

37:04 Caller And she also said that she's going to try to get back at us and try to...

37:08 Adam Hold on. Let me get this straight. She's going to... Your aunt is going to try to harm you kids? I'm going to make a wild guess here. Is it because she's accusing her father of molesting her kids?

37:19 Caller I really don't know.

37:20 Drew Well, stretch.

37:20 Caller She's also trying... Not just us, not just our family.

37:23 Adam Okay. Emma. Hey, Emma. Listen, I'm sorry for your situation, but I'm going to give you 15 seconds here. Listen to me. We understand what the situation is. Your aunt is probably not a healthy woman. Your mom doesn't sound like she's a real healthy woman either. If she's threatening you, then you call the cops and you get a restraining order.

37:45 Drew You document everything, you call the authorities, and you just deal with it. That's all.

37:48 Adam You treat it as if it was anybody who was threatening you.

37:51 Drew Any other criminal.

37:53 Adam That's it.

37:53 Drew If she wants to take some action in regards to some delusional preoccupation that she has, enjoy it. Let her enjoy herself. That's fine.

38:00 Adam I wonder how delusional it is.

38:01 Drew Yeah, I don't know.

38:03 Adam This whole family sounds like just a barrel of crap. It really does.

38:07 Drew Send your people out.

38:08 Adam Yeah. I'm going to call an airstrike in on this one. Sometimes, Dr. Bruce, I'll send in a hitman or something squad just to put some people down. And then other times, I'll actually just call an airstrike because the problem has gotten out of hand. It's at the aunt's house. It's at the mom's house. I'll have to take out the whole block. All right. So Emma, here's my advice. Study real hard, go far away to college, and leave all the rats to sort of...

38:37 Drew Scurry about.

38:38 Adam Yeah, I was going to say rat-eff themselves in the nest. Michael.

38:41 Drew That's very nice.

38:42 Adam Thank you.

38:43 Drew And weren't you going to recommit yourself to this show?

38:45 Adam I am.

38:46 Drew Last night, you were recommit yourself.

38:48 Adam That's my new pledge.

38:49 Drew Tonight, you're cursing out our guest and our listeners, and you're leaving.

38:56 Adam Michael?

38:57 Drew Yeah.

38:58 Adam All right, you're 28.

38:59 Caller Yeah.

39:00 Adam I'm really going to try to bounce back on this call. I'm already mad now. What's going on?

39:07 Caller Okay, my girlfriend, I know you guys heard this question a lot of times, but my girlfriend, you know, she couldn't orgasm during the course or, or I'll say, and she circumcised, and I was wondering if it's because she circumcised, you know, that she couldn't orgasm.

39:23 Drew Was there something that happened to her when she was a young woman, young girl?

39:27 Caller Yes.

39:27 Drew How old was she when they did that to her?

39:30 Caller I believe it's like 5 or something.

39:32 Drew Wow, Bruce.

39:34 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Thankfully, we don't see this real often. Has she been in to see a gynecologist and have an exam and confirm what's been done?

39:45 Caller Yeah, but, you know, he didn't tell her anything. I mean, you know, like, she's, she's from one of those countries where they circumcise you when you're little.

39:56 Adam What country?

39:57 Caller Somalia.

39:58 Adam Somalia?

39:59 Caller Somalia, yeah.

40:00 Adam Yeah, it's a crappy country.

40:03 Caller Yeah.

40:03 Adam Yeah, so she, now, when they say you circumcise a woman, now, when you circumcise a man, you remove the foreskin.

40:11 Caller Yes.

40:11 Adam But in a woman's case, are you removing the clitoral hood?

40:15 Caller Yes, exactly.

40:17 Drew There's actually several different procedures. Sometimes they actually take clitoris, sometimes they sew up the vaginas, all kinds of weird stuff.

40:23 Adam Okay, but you remove the clitoral hood, and then the clitoris becomes desensitized. Is that what happens?

40:30 Caller Yeah, she doesn't have the clitoris, it's not there, you know.

40:34 Drew No clitoris.

40:35 Caller Yeah.

40:36 Adam They remove the clitoris as well.

40:38 Drew Well, that's nice, that's nice.

40:39 Adam I'd get a lawsuit going if I were her, I really would.

40:42 Drew You know, the New England Journal ran a review on this, and they claim that the orgasmic function was fairly, was often intact when women had this procedure. They could still have normal functioning. However, it's hard for me to imagine how the psychological circumstances wouldn't have left some severe impairment with that function.

41:01 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Right. I mean, I think there are both things going on, and that's why I was suggesting she go and see someone, someone who's comfortable dealing with this topic. And again, we don't see it very often, but she ought to go in, find someone who'll talk to her about this in detail and make a very careful examination to determine how much of her problem is physical and how much of it is psychological, how much is just, you know, the trauma mentally from having been through that.

41:26 Adam Do they have any kind of reconstructive surgery for that area?

41:31 Drew Depends what they've done to them. I mean, some of them, They're gonna have something to work with. Sometimes they have to open the vagina back up because they actually saw it shot.

41:37 Adam Well, but not in this case. I'm sure that some of the clitoris was cut away. Is there a way to repair that?

41:45 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I don't think you can put it back if it's been taken away. But that doesn't mean a woman can't get a lot of pleasure from sex. I think it needs to be addressed on both levels if she's gonna have a chance to really enjoy herself sexually. But it sounds like she's got someone who cares about her, and that's a good first start.

42:00 Adam In a way, Michael asks the world's best excuse for not giving someone an orgasm. You know what I mean? All other guys just sort of hang their head in shame, but it's like, hey listen, no clitoris, fellas. What do you want? You know what I mean? I mean, I'm sure there are days we wish our partners didn't have a clitoris. You know what I mean? Just so we could feel a little better about ourselves. Am I right, guys?

42:20 Drew Are you telling me something about yourself?

42:22 Adam Seriously, you know what I'm talking about. Michael?

42:24 Drew Yeah.

42:25 Adam You sound like a good guy. Can she enjoy sex anyway? Yeah.

42:29 Caller I mean, you know, she has no problem.

42:31 Adam All right.

42:31 Drew Just be good and checked out.

42:33 Adam I'm sure there are people who know more about this. There's gynecologists who know more about this than others. Aren't there?

42:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar There must be and you start with whoever she normally goes to see and she's got to be willing. And this is a tough thing for a lot of women even when everything is normal. It's tough for any person. She's got to be willing to say, hey, this is the reason I've come in to talk to you is that otherwise I'm doing all right, if that's true, but I'm not able to have an orgasm and I was circumcised. And if she can at least say that directly, then he will do an appropriate examination to find out how much damage was done to her physically. And then, again, I also think she's got to have some kind of therapy, someone to talk to her about what she went through because she may have also gotten the message from very early on that she's not supposed to enjoy sex.

43:17 Adam Yeah.

43:17 Drew The misogynistic abuse of males, that'll have an interesting effect.

43:20 Adam I'm guessing that was woven in somewhere around when the, you know, rusty field instrument was used to circumcise her at age five. Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, Drew, I'm not scared of the truth, that's the difference between me and you, I'm not squeamish. Dr. Bruce, the clitoris, are they all about the same or do they vary a little bit?

43:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar They probably vary a little bit. I mean, the analogous structure in men is a penis and rumor would have it that they vary.

43:45 Drew Wait, don't tell him, don't tell him.

43:46 Adam No, no, no, that's what I was going to say is, does it vary as much as the penis? I know it's on a smaller scale. Oh, that's marginal with me. But I mean, does it still vary that much?

43:59 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Again, that's probably a study that needs to be done.

44:03 Caller Why?

44:05 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It'll probably never be done.

44:06 Adam I'll do it. There's another one I'll sign up for.

44:07 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Let's not do it, no.

44:08 Adam So far I got two studies to participate in. Could you recognize your patients without looking at them in the eye? You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like someone who's been coming to you for a few years.

44:19 Drew You know, Bruce is concerned that some of his patients may actually be listening. You understand how uncomfortable that is to ask that question?

44:25 Adam I'm trying to make a point, which is how varied are those areas.

44:30 Drew Points made.

44:31 Adam I don't know. I didn't get an answer. You think you probably could?

44:35 Caller No. All right.

44:40 Adam We got to take a break. You could, don't you?

44:42 Caller No. Don't worry.

44:44 Adam Please, Drew.

44:45 Caller Please.

44:45 Adam I recognize my friend's penises. You tell me Bruce has got a light for Christ's sake. Come on. He knows what's going on down there. I was just, you know, trying to make a little entertainment here. That's all. Drew, you all right? We keep pushing or you want to go to a commercial?

44:59 Drew I think we better go to a commercial.

45:00 Adam Go to a commercial? All right. When we come back, we'll speak to Jennifer's 26, who's never had an orgasm, thinks she may be masturbating wrong. We'll give her some tips after this.

45:10 Drew I feel so liquidy.

45:12 Caller Really?

45:19 Adam You really gotta get out there and start checking out the peanuts. This is Loveline, we got to take a quick ten second time out, and we'll be back with more of the show in just ten seconds.

45:58 Caller This is Loveline on Radio Station.

46:13 Adam It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-A-V-E-1-9-1. Dr. Bruce Bekkar is our guest tonight. He's a gynecologist, and he, along with Dr. Uduwan. Yeah?

46:29 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Right?

46:29 Adam Is that right?

46:30 Caller Yeah.

46:31 Adam They both penned a fabulous new book. When's his book gonna be out, by the way?

46:36 Dr. Bruce Bekkar We're shooting for Valentine's Day, not coincidentally.

46:39 Adam Right, so you can, what month is it?

46:42 Caller February.

46:43 Drew I'll remind you when it comes.

46:45 Adam Keep your eyes open for this little ditty. It's called, Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology, and it's fun, it's easy, it lays it all out, and it covers everything. And even though you may not want to be a gynecologist, there's plenty of stuff in here that you could learn from, especially the guys. And it's got some jokes and some quizzes and some tests. As a matter of fact, I think we're ripped off here, Dr. Drew, quite honestly. Well, it really looks like our book. It really does. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this stuff is just lifted straight out of our text, just right out of our copy. I wouldn't be surprised at all. Anyway, let's save this copy for the legal team and let's move on for the show.

47:26 Drew He said his is tastefully done.

47:28 Adam It certainly is. All right. I have not read our books, so I can't comment on it. Jennifer?

47:33 Yes.

47:34 Adam You're 26.

47:35 Caller I am.

47:36 Adam What's going on?

47:37 Caller Well, let's see. I'm 26. I've never had an orgasm. I've had sex with three men and I miraculously had three children with these men. I'm like a walking billboard. But the point is, is that.

47:54 Adam You've had sex with three men in your life, three and you have a child with each of them?

48:00 That's correct.

48:01 Caller I'm not doing that wrong. They're doing the wrong or I'm doing it wrong. But I've never managed to achieve an orgasm. I'm wondering if that's normal. If it's not normal. I've tried masturbation and I don't know if I'm not doing it properly. I've explored my body and.

48:24 Drew Her character situation is already suspect though, right?

48:26 Caller It doesn't really.

48:27 Drew It wasn't like she had one sexual encounter with these three guys. This is like repeated unprotected with previous experience. Well, I don't know.

48:35 Adam I mean, she's only been with three guys at twenty six. Were you married to any of them when you were married to one of them?

48:44 Caller Yeah.

48:44 Adam What happened to him?

48:46 Caller He was just. I was a bad relationship.

48:49 Drew What was he?

48:50 Caller He was just an asshole.

48:51 Drew What did he do? I can't say that. You can say that.

48:54 Caller He was just abusive.

48:56 Drew Physically abusive.

48:57 Caller Yeah. He was abusive.

48:59 Drew See what I'm saying here?

48:59 Adam Yeah. Was this the last guy?

49:02 Caller No. He was number two.

49:04 Drew Here's the next, the other way to ice this. How old were you when you had your first baby?

49:08 Caller I was 17.

49:09 Drew Okay.

49:10 Adam So you're pregnant at 16?

49:12 Caller Basically, yeah.

49:13 Drew How old was that guy?

49:14 Caller He was the same age.

49:16 Adam Yeah. See, smart ass Drew. What kind of guy was your dad?

49:21 Caller Well, he's kind of a domineering.

49:27 Drew Abusive guy.

49:28 Caller Well, I wouldn't say abusive. He's more of the passive person in an abusive situation. You know what I mean?

49:34 Caller No.

49:35 Adam The person that's getting the cramp beat out of him?

49:37 Drew Mom's abusive. He likes to happen.

49:39 Adam Your mom's aggressive?

49:40 Caller Mom's aggressive. Dad's passive. But he pacifies the situation by letting her be aggressive and putting me in a passive situation.

49:48 Adam All right. So what are you doing with these kids now?

49:51 Caller I'm taking care of them on my own.

49:53 Adam Uh-huh. And are these guys in their lives at all? No, they're not. Has the state contacted you, by the way? Because I swear to Christ when I'm in charge.

50:04 Caller What I really want you to know is, is it normal for me to have an ori?

50:07 Adam Seriously, I want to know if the state is... No, I want to talk about this for a second. Has anyone from the state dropped by?

50:13 Caller No.

50:14 Adam I really think we ought to do that.

50:16 Drew Well, she's taking care of... You're not paying for her kids. She's taking care of them.

50:19 Adam Yeah, my ass. Or some pain for those kids.

50:22 Caller No, I'm serious. I take care of my children very well. I'm a good mom. I'm proud of that.

50:26 Drew You have no food stamps? No...

50:28 Caller No, I take good care of my kids.

50:30 Drew No, no, I understand you're...

50:31 Adam Where do you get the money? We don't mean that you're feeding them food stamps. We mean that...

50:35 Where do I get the money?

50:36 Caller I work. You know, that's what I do. I get up every morning...

50:39 Adam I always have a little math problem when we talk about... So you get up every morning, you go to work.

50:44 Caller That's correct.

50:45 Adam And who takes care of the kids?

50:48 Caller My mother.

50:49 Caller Okay.

50:50 Adam And then where do you work?

50:52 Caller Well, I live in a small town, so I just rather not say.

50:55 Adam Okay. All right. And then you come home and you take care of the kids.

50:59 Caller Exactly.

50:59 Adam All right. Don't have any more kids, would you please?

51:02 Caller I promise.

51:03 Adam Jesus Christ.

51:03 Drew All right. So Bruce is going to address the issue of no orgasm.

51:06 Adam You don't deserve one.

51:08 Drew No, I don't deserve no orgasm. She's got some issues. She's working hard. She's taking care of her business.

51:15 Caller All right.

51:16 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, one question is, have you ever talked to the doctors that you've seen about this? Has this ever been discussed?

51:23 Caller No, this is the first time that I've brought it up.

51:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, and it is difficult and you should know that you're certainly not alone. There are an awful lot of women who are your age who haven't had orgasms. And what these two are talking about certainly comes to my mind also that there's probably something in your upbringing that made you think pretty negatively about sex or certainly about enjoying it too much. But I think the first thing to do is to have an exam and mention directly to the gynecologist that you're not able to have an orgasm and just make sure that there's nothing obvious that's not normal. And I can almost guarantee you everything will be fine. But at least then you'll know that for sure and you'll know it's not a physical thing. There are sex therapists and there are also good books that you can get.

52:08 Drew What book would you recommend?

52:10 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Off the top of my head, I don't have one I can recommend that's real current. All the ones that I have used are older.

52:17 Adam Would you give a book? Do any of your patients complain of not being able to have an orgasm? You get in that conversation with them?

52:25 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, from time to time.

52:27 Adam Wow, that's kind of exciting. While you're down there, you don't have that conversation while you're down there.

52:32 Dr. Bruce Bekkar This is one of those questions I hear when I've got my hand on the door and we've talked about two or three things already and we're just about to grab things up and they say, Oh, by the way, I've never had an orgasm in 26 years. And it's incredibly important, it's obviously sitting back down.

52:48 Adam What do you talk about when you're down there, when they're up in the stirrups there? Do you have any kind of conversation?

52:55 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I don't have a set routine, but I do talk while I'm examining them just because I know how horribly uncomfortable they are. I figure if I can make them a little bit more relaxed, I'll talk about anything. The weather or movies or...

53:07 Drew If a man had to go through this, there would be a different procedure.

53:10 Adam Yeah, there would. Well, they'd put a TV set up on the wall behind the guy's head. I mean, that's really what you need. Forget about the talk. I mean, not that you're... I'm sure it's a compelling conversation, but put the TV on.

53:21 Drew ESPN will be playing H-Row.

53:23 Adam Yeah, as you put a bowling pin in my ass, if I really got caught up in a game, I wouldn't even feel it. I'd just be watching that game. Would that be in poor taste to put a TV set up?

53:33 Drew Put a bowling pin up your ass?

53:35 Adam The women lie down on that stirrupy thing, but they're kind of up.

53:38 Drew That's a good idea.

53:38 Adam A little bit. Put the TV up there. Let her watch the TV. Right? Is that all right?

53:44 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's never been done that I know of, but maybe you'll start something.

53:48 Adam Yeah, you know, the closest anyone has ever got to that is one time I went to a dentist, and once in a while the dentist, because their techniques are so primitive, but once in a while one of them gets an ID and he puts a poster on the ceiling. Unfortunately, it's a poster of like a kitten that's pawing at a turtle or something, and after about an hour and a half of staring at that, you just want to tear out the goddamn ceiling because you're going insane, but I told him, hey, put a ceiling up, put a TV up there and not stare at it. That'd be enjoyable.

54:18 Drew Yeah, but you'd be wanting to put videos in and stuff. Very embarrassing.

54:22 Adam And that'd lead to trouble, yeah. You're right, Drew's right. Steve.

54:26 Yes.

54:27 Adam You're 28.

54:28 Caller How you guys doing?

54:29 Adam Good. You're on with the gynecologist, Dr. Bruce.

54:33 Caller Hi there.

54:34 Caller Well, I'm 28. I've been married to my wife for four years. We've been together for 11. And over the last month or so, we've, you know, been getting into some issues over wanting to try something new, at least for me. And I had mentioned to her, I'd like to try cyber sex. And she said it's a recipe for disaster. But if Dr. Drew says that it's OK, then she'll try it out.

54:56 Adam He's nodding, so that's-

54:57 Drew No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Next call. You mean you want to engage in some weird thing with somebody else?

55:04 Caller Just, yeah, just try something new.

55:05 Drew And what is she supposed to do?

55:08 Adam Get him a beer.

55:09 Caller Just-

55:12 Caller both of us on the computer.

55:14 Drew To one another?

55:16 Adam Yes. No, not to one another.

55:18 Caller Oh, no, no, not to one another.

55:20 Drew Each to another couple. Together to another couple.

55:23 Adam Do they have that couples stuff? Yeah. Are you? Are you typing in, though? How can you grab your Johnson and type?

55:32 Caller That's why her and I are together.

55:34 Adam So she types and you're grabbing?

55:36 Caller Well, we take turns.

55:37 Adam Yeah. You see, I don't know, call me old fashioned, but just give me a hustler and let me hit the shower. You know what I mean? I mean, what the hell is going on in this society? Hey, you're writing. It's script, right? It's copy. You're not seeing anything, are you? That's right. You're just reading this copy.

55:59 Caller My view is the same as watching a porno. Same type of outlet.

56:03 Adam No, don't you ever say that about pornography. Do you hear me, Steve? I swear to God, I'll hang up on you.

56:07 Caller I'm sorry.

56:08 Adam It's nothing like pornography.

56:10 Caller Okay. Poor Steve.

56:12 Drew He actually feels he believes you're...

56:14 Adam Well, please. He's equated reading off a computer to my precious beloved pornography. That's an insult. Well, listen. Okay, well, okay. So, let's say Steve is turned on and his... Maybe his wife... Your wife's gonna be pissed off. Your wife's gonna... She's gonna kick your ass.

56:31 Drew That's right. I think the impulse here is what's the most unhealthy. This need to dilute your intimacy by bringing somebody else in.

56:41 Caller What's not a need? It's just a... I just want to...

56:43 Adam Desire.

56:44 Drew Yeah, but it's... The desire to move in that direction is not the healthiest impulse, okay?

56:50 Adam Well, can I... Let me chime in here. Steve, here's what you need to do. You need to sneak away and go to a hooker. But see, you're trying to do it above the board.

57:00 Drew This is great advice, huh?

57:02 Adam Well, what I mean is, once in a while, a guy tries to sort of cheat above the board. You know what I mean? Like, hey, honey, why don't we go to a swinger's party or why don't we get into the cyber thing or why don't we do something together? Therefore, it's not really cheating.

57:16 Drew We're stupid enough to do that. They numb themselves up and lead themselves into it because the guy has to have that.

57:21 Adam Okay. But the subtext there is, I'd like to bang somebody else for a few minutes. And I guess if you want to come along, you can come along.

57:30 Drew Well, but in this case, it's sort of act, it's a very much on a fantasy level that he's acting out those sorts of impulses.

57:34 Adam Right.

57:34 Caller I don't want to do anything for you. I don't want to have any threesomes or foursomes at all. I know that's that'll...

57:38 Drew But that's the point...

57:39 Caller .no relationship ever last.

57:40 Drew I understand.

57:41 Adam But what if you could discreetly sneak away, have a little sex with someone and take a shower and come home?

57:47 Drew I'll think about that then.

57:48 Adam No one would be the wiser. Isn't that really just what you want to do?

57:52 No, no, no.

57:53 Adam Wife's listening.

57:54 Caller Yeah.

57:56 Caller She's afraid I'm going to start smoking a cigar and wearing a smoking jacket.

57:59 Adam Well, the first no, I didn't think the wife was listening, but the eight no's that came after it. That's when I know the old ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

58:08 Drew All right. But it is that sort of an impulse that causes it. And on one hand, the reality of it that you are together and you're sharing this thing and it's sort of in front of one another, and it's a way of sort of enhancing some interaction you have. There's something to that being OK. I'm just worried about the impulse and the fact that you're sort of heading off in that direction.

58:30 Adam Yeah, it doesn't sound, we've certainly heard worse. This is very tame, especially compared to Loveline standards.

58:38 Drew But doesn't register.

58:40 Adam Here's your inherent problem here, Steve. You want to do it, it's fairly tame, and if she wanted to do it, we'd be giving it a big green light. Although we'd have some reservations about it, but that'd be fine. The problem is she doesn't want to do it. And when you get women to do stuff that they don't want to do, you're screwed because it comes back to haunt you. They really make you pay, sexually, spiritually, emotionally. They'll take it out of you. You take an ounce out of them, they'll take five pounds out of you. You understand?

59:10 Drew And again, it is a move towards, a slight move away from intimacy. The impulse is away from intimacy.

59:17 Adam Yeah, but on the other hand, the guy sounds committed. He loves his wife.

59:20 Drew Well, then better he should not go off in that direction. It's asking for trouble. All things being equal.

59:27 Adam All right. He just got to cheat. Anthony?

59:29 Yes.

59:30 Adam You're 14.

59:31 Caller I don't know if you remember, but I called in last night, but I was watching the show and this guy asked what a G-spot was and I was wondering what a G-spot was too.

59:42 Adam Dr. Bruce?

59:44 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Oh boy.

59:45 Adam Oops, sorry, my belt. Yeah, where's that G-spot?

59:49 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's controversial about whether or not such a thing actually exists, but if it does, it's somewhere in the, what would be the top wall of the vagina, maybe half an inch to an inch inside.

1:00:03 Drew It's basically the back side of the clitoris.

1:00:05 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah.

1:00:06 Drew Just another way of getting at that same neural material.

1:00:09 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's in that region. It's also around the area of the urethra, the little tube that empties the bladder. How come you're interested in it? That's an interesting question for you to have at the age of 14.

1:00:20 Caller I don't know. You just get curious. You've got to know these things again.

1:00:24 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Is there a test coming up or something you need to know this on?

1:00:27 Caller Well, we do learn in school.

1:00:30 Adam You don't talk about the G spot in school, though.

1:00:32 Caller No.

1:00:33 Caller I just wanted to know.

1:00:34 Adam Let me explain something here, Anthony. There's a lot of lore and myth around the vagina.

1:00:41 Drew The vagina?

1:00:42 Adam The vagina. You sound like one of my listeners now. Around the vagina. And some of it true, some of it not. But the whole G spot thing, there's much more made of that than...

1:00:54 Drew Right. Way more.

1:00:55 Adam Yeah. Just listen. You give a woman good oral sex, that's all you need to remember.

1:00:58 Drew We should ask them, though, about female ejaculation.

1:01:00 Adam All right. Let's do that. Anthony?

1:01:03 Caller Yeah.

1:01:03 Adam We're going to let you go.

1:01:04 Caller All right.

1:01:05 Adam All right. Take care, brother.

1:01:06 All right.

1:01:07 Adam Dr. Bruce Bekkar, who is the co-author of Your Guide's Guide to Gynecology out on Valentine's Day coming up. What about this female ejaculation? That ever happened to you when you were doing some work? Did a woman have an orgasm when you were down there?

1:01:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar To answer your first question, which I think is probably the one you really want to know.

1:01:31 Adam Right.

1:01:32 Dr. Bruce Bekkar There is a form of excretion of fluid that happens as part of orgasm. Yeah. It's not a real noticeable thing. Most women don't have an appreciable amount. It probably varies also depending upon the time of cycle and doesn't have a whole lot of significance either way, I think, to most women's pleasure.

1:01:53 Adam But some women produce quite a substantial amount of discharge, right?

1:01:58 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah. Some more than others.

1:01:59 Adam Yeah. We've talked a few of those. And then some have the female orgasmic incontinence, which that's a whole other story. Now, when you go down there to do your work on these ladies, what do you bring with you? I mean, do you wear goggles?

1:02:17 Dr. Bruce Bekkar When I'm doing a pelvic exam.

1:02:18 Caller Yeah.

1:02:19 Adam Mask?

1:02:20 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Pelvic exam is very straightforward. We use an instrument called a speculum, which is a...

1:02:25 Caller Got one.

1:02:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I'm good, I guess.

1:02:27 Adam It looks like a duck's bell.

1:02:29 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's a long, smooth, curved instrument that basically just holds the walls of the vagina open so that we can see inside and look for various normal features and abnormal features that we want to check out. And otherwise, in order to examine the higher structures, the uterus and the tubes and ovaries, we use a gloved hand in the vagina, a couple of fingers there, and press down on the abdominal wall and hold things between our two hands and we can kind of feel what's there.

1:02:58 Adam What, seriously, do you wear a mask or goggles or earplugs or anything?

1:03:03 Dr. Bruce Bekkar None of that's necessary.

1:03:04 Adam Really?

1:03:05 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Just the glove.

1:03:06 Adam You know, the dental hygienist is wearing, you know, face goggles, is wearing like goggles, like a welder's mask, and a shoe's got a, you know, a respirator on, and there you go, you get your head buried between someone's legs, you get nothing, free and clear, just wearing a tank top and the gold chain. What strikes me as fun? You don't wear medallions, do you? Is that considered, do they talk to you about that med school? Like, don't wear the big Italian horn. It's unsettling to the women.

1:03:36 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I don't think it's specifically mentioned, though. Really?

1:03:38 Adam I would bring that up. Listen, no Gotti jewelry, no pinky rings, no big, no big Italian horns. It kind of said, I wouldn't want to see that, if I was a woman. Would you, Drew?

1:03:51 Drew I wouldn't want to see that, if I was a man.

1:03:53 Adam All right, so, and do you use lubrication when you go up in there? What kind do you use?

1:03:58 Dr. Bruce Bekkar KY lubricant, most commonly.

1:04:01 Adam And that's kid tested, mother approved, or that's the stuff you use, right? Just a good, and you put it all over your hand? I mean, you've always got to go all the way up your glove, right?

1:04:12 Drew No.

1:04:13 Adam It doesn't? Well, if you're getting up in there, no. Why wouldn't you? Wouldn't you have to do that?

1:04:20 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Again, we make the exam as quick and painless as we can.

1:04:22 Drew This is about as much as goes in maybe this.

1:04:24 Adam Two fingers?

1:04:25 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, just a tiny amount.

1:04:27 Adam That's it? That doesn't sound like a good time. All right. Has anyone ever farted when you were down there? Seriously?

1:04:35 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Not that I recall.

1:04:36 Drew Seriously.

1:04:37 Adam But they have had an orgasm. I know, you have to. There's some women who just have that. We talk to women all night. They have an orgasm when they're shifting their car into reverse on their way to work. Do they apologize then? You don't have to mention any names. But it's got to be a little uncomfortable, right? Do they say sorry or do you say, it's no big deal or I get it all the time or what do you do at that point?

1:05:00 Dr. Bruce Bekkar The serious answer to your question is that women don't enjoy having a pelvic exam at all, and it's an unfortunate necessity to take good care of them that they need it once a year.

1:05:10 Adam But once in a while, somebody's going to peel off an orgasm, right?

1:05:13 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Oh, no.

1:05:14 Adam No?

1:05:15 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No.

1:05:15 Adam Never.

1:05:16 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It's all they can do just to come into the office and have this distasteful thing done to take care of them.

1:05:21 Adam Wait till we get to the commercial break. I'm guessing 75 orgasms, Dr. Bruce's experience.

1:05:27 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Let's talk to Amber quickly.

1:05:28 Adam Amber, you're 16.

1:05:29 Caller Yeah.

1:05:29 Adam What's going on?

1:05:31 Caller Well, see, I've had my period for three years or something like that. And it's like only every other month. And the month I don't have it, I have a really bad discharge. And it's yellowish and whitish and all sorts of colors.

1:05:44 Drew Right on schedule at the same time?

1:05:46 Caller Kind of. I mean, sometimes, you know, like sometimes it's generally at the beginning of the month. But then the last couple of times, I've had it at the beginning of the month, and then I've also had it at the end of the month.

1:05:58 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Sounds to me like you're not ovulating more than every couple of months, and maybe even not that often. Have you ever been in and had an exam and had a little bit of blood work done to look into this?

1:06:07 Caller No.

1:06:07 Dr. Bruce Bekkar They checked your thyroid.

1:06:08 Caller There's another one. The reason why I didn't is because I heard my PE teacher say that I only had one ovary or something like that.

1:06:17 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No.

1:06:17 Caller That's why I only had it every other month.

1:06:19 Drew Oh, Amber. Oh, no.

1:06:20 Adam What the hell is up with PE teachers being like part psychologist, part drill instructor, part gynecologist, you know? Philosopher, lover, philanthropist. They're just a bunch of old jackasses. You know, I had like conversations about testicles and what happens when you lift the weights and you wear the boxer shorts, you know? Why don't they just knock that crap off? They're making 28 grand a year. They were drummed out of the military.

1:06:47 Caller It was also my math teacher, so.

1:06:50 Adam All right.

1:06:51 Dr. Bruce Bekkar So go in and see a gynecologist and tell them the story. And I'm sure they'll order a small battery of blood tests just to check out a couple of things. For instance, if it was your thyroid, it's something that needs to be corrected. It'll solve a lot of other problems for you, too. But you'll probably just end up finding out that you don't ovulate. You've got all the right hormones and they'll either give you some pills to take once a month, some progesterone to replace what you're not making or more likely they'll put you on the pill.

1:07:20 Adam Let me talk just a little more, little shop with Dr. Bruce over here for a second. We get this problem all the time. Guys call in, they say there's a little odor coming from downstairs and they want to know what to do about it. They want to know if they should tell their girlfriend. What would your advice be? Because a lot of guys have difficulty broaching this subject with their girlfriends.

1:07:44 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, I guess I'd start and say, is there anything else aside from odor? Is she complaining of any discomfort? Is this something that's new or does he notice it frequently? Certainly, I mean, one common cause for odor is women often have a little bit of odor around the time of their menstrual period or just after. But there certainly are infections. There's one in particular that's quite common called bacterial adenosis that causes a little bit more discharge than usual and some odor along with it. And that's probably what you're hearing about a fair amount of the time. And that's something that needs to be treated. It's not that dangerous really. It doesn't become a systemic infection, but it certainly can infect both partners and it's very uncomfortable.

1:08:23 Adam What about douching? You a big fan of that?

1:08:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Not a big fan. The vagina is another miraculous part of the body that pretty much cleans itself. I think we strongly recommend women not douchemort once a month. More than that, you can cause problems.

1:08:37 Drew Such as?

1:08:39 Dr. Bruce Bekkar You can wash out normal flora, normal bacteria that are in the vagina and get a yeast infection from doing that.

1:08:45 Drew Does it cause any sending infections?

1:08:49 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I think if a woman is doing it carefully, it won't, but all kinds of things can happen if you're not careful.

1:08:55 Adam Is a vagina... Stop me if I'm wrong here. But don't stop me. Is a vagina sort of like... You know, certain people have like... Their breath smells a certain way. I mean, some guys' breath smells a certain way. You know, some's bad, some's good. It varies a little bit from person to person. Doesn't really matter what they eat or how often they brush. It's not that they have an abscess tooth or anything. It's just... That kind of breath smells a certain way. Is the vagina that way? Some just sort of have their own funk, own smell?

1:09:28 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Everybody has different body odors.

1:09:30 Adam Right.

1:09:30 Dr. Bruce Bekkar And I guess that's what you're asking. And if a guy is noticing his girlfriend's body odor and it's different to him and it seems not as pleasant as some others, that might just be normal.

1:09:41 Adam Right.

1:09:41 Dr. Bruce Bekkar But that's what I'm saying. It could be that and it could be an infection.

1:09:44 Adam What about that FDS spray? You recommend that stuff? That stuff they just spray on their panties?

1:09:50 Drew Never.

1:09:50 Caller You don't like any of that?

1:09:52 Drew This is a dream come true for you. Two hours with a gynecologist.

1:09:55 Adam Yeah, it's great.

1:09:55 Drew You really just...

1:09:57 Adam I'm very fascinated by this. I know a lot of our listeners are. And I have the guts to ask the tough questions. Like the part about you wearing jewelry during the examinations. Right?

1:10:08 Caller Tough question.

1:10:11 Drew All right.

1:10:12 Adam They don't give you any conversations about silk shirts, wearing baseball caps and then turning them backwards when you go down there. None of that. There's no etiquette. See, Drew, that's why they need me at these medical schools.

1:10:26 Drew You have two disgusted doctors in here now. We're both just got the puss on.

1:10:29 Adam Drew, I think you know them right.

1:10:30 Drew You both have pusses on and you're carrying on.

1:10:32 Adam All right. Well, we'll take a little break here. When we come back, we'll speak to Amber, who's 16.

1:10:38 Drew No, no, we just talked to her.

1:10:39 Adam Oh, we won't. Well, Drew, would you do your goddamn job for a change over here? Sitting back. You should all see Drew, by the way. He is in the position that Uncle Joe is in when he's on the porch of the Petticoat Junction. He doesn't even pretend to be involved in the show. He leans back, his feet up, his hands behind his head. I mean, it's really like you're doing some sort of dramatization of relaxation. You know what I mean? If we were doing a movie, the director would tell you to rein it in a little bit. It's too much relaxing, he would say. It's too obvious, right? Okay. When we come back, we'll speak to Catherine, who's 16, wants to tell parents that she needs to go on the pill, but she's scared to. Help. We'll help her after this.

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1:12:23 Adam Right, Drew?

1:12:24 Drew I can't understand how anybody would think you're full of yourself. I can't imagine that.

1:12:28 Adam How long have we been doing, have I been doing this show?

1:12:31 Drew Three years.

1:12:32 Adam Well, I think it's four years.

1:12:34 Drew Four years, that long?

1:12:35 Caller Right.

1:12:35 Drew Wow.

1:12:36 Adam How long have we been doing, we're going on our fifth season of Loveline, the TV show.

1:12:43 Drew Yeah.

1:12:43 Caller Yeah.

1:12:45 Adam I don't mind sounding full of myself. Here's the deal. Everyone says in this business, it's who you know, it's luck. You know, here today, gone tomorrow, all this kind of stuff, enjoy it while you can. Has nothing to do with that. If you're good, you get to work as much as you want. And if you suck, they kick your ass right out. You do one batch and that's it. If we sucked, we would have done one batch of those crappy love lines on MTV and they would have closed the door and kicked us out. We do 65, that would have been three years ago and no one would have ever heard of us again. But we're good. We did a good job. Now, we're going on our 300th and 400th or whatever. That's it. It's not luck. And it's not luck with anything, everybody. I don't care what endeavor you're involved with, what field, what work. Do a good job. Show up. Don't piss anybody off. Actually, you can piss people off as long as you do a good job. Do a good job, show up, shut your face and get your paycheck. And believe me, the work will keep coming. It does not vary, Drew. You guys are doctors. I used to be a carpenter. It wasn't any different in any profession that I've been involved with. In TV and Hollywood, everyone makes it out to be this sort of business. It's filled with luck and filled with chance. And it's none of that. Do your job. And magically, you just keep working. And there's more and more to do. Right? Yeah. That's right. We'll see what happens to you, Drew, when I'm on my way, though. That's the end of your luck.

1:14:16 Caller Hi.

1:14:16 Adam You're 16.

1:14:17 Caller Well, first of all, I want to say hi to Adam and Drew. And Adam, you're like the hottest guy on radio.

1:14:23 Adam Because they're all fat and ugly.

1:14:25 Caller Yeah. Howard Stern. No, I'm just kidding.

1:14:27 Adam Oh, he's not fat. But the radio guys are unattractive.

1:14:30 Caller I know.

1:14:31 Caller But you're attractive.

1:14:32 Caller And so is Drew.

1:14:33 Adam Well, you know, Drew's like a good five and a half.

1:14:35 Okay.

1:14:36 Caller This is my problem. I have a problem and a question. Okay. My problem is I've been with my boyfriend for almost a year.

1:14:44 Caller And recently we just started having sex. But the problem is we haven't used anything. And he came to me, he's all, Catherine, we have a problem, you know, we don't, I don't want to get you pregnant. I don't want to, you know, end up being a dad at 15. So he's all, well, we need to talk to our parents. Well, the problem is we're both scared.

1:15:05 Drew Why do you need to talk to your parents?

1:15:06 Caller Well, I want to get on like birth control.

1:15:09 Drew Well, why don't you go get on it?

1:15:10 Caller Well, I'm afraid of talking because my parents aren't real open about that.

1:15:13 Drew Why do you need to talk to your parents about it?

1:15:14 Caller Well, how, I thought we had to talk to our parents or whatever.

1:15:17 Drew I don't know, after 14, at 14 and above, you are entitled to completely confidential healthcare.

1:15:22 Adam Oh, really?

1:15:23 Drew On your own. And I would recommend, my opinion is you get that, no matter what you decide, you keep a prevent or a plan B in your club compartment, your medicine cabinet. So should there be some failure of a contraception, you have a backup plan.

1:15:37 Adam What contraception, though? You're not even using anything, are you?

1:15:41 Caller We did a couple of times.

1:15:42 Adam Oh, okay. That's a totally different scenario, then, a couple of times.

1:15:47 Drew So, Bruce, getting on the pill.

1:15:49 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, I think it's a great idea. It has a lot of benefits.

1:15:52 Adam Is this mic gaffed up again?

1:15:53 Caller I also feel guilty, like, you know, behind my parents' back and all that.

1:15:56 Drew Well, if you want to tell your parents, it's a healthy thing to do.

1:15:59 Adam Hold on a second. Hey, screwball, you're already getting it on with your boyfriend. What do you mean? Now the guilt of using protection. Oh, the shame.

1:16:07 Caller Hey.

1:16:08 Adam You guys have been screwing like rabbits for the last six months, right? A year. How long have you been screwing your boyfriend?

1:16:16 Caller Two months.

1:16:16 Adam Two months. Non-stop.

1:16:18 Caller Not non-stop.

1:16:19 Adam Sure, I know you kids are.

1:16:21 Caller No, we're not like that.

1:16:23 Drew But do you get his point, Catherine?

1:16:25 Caller Yeah, I get the point.

1:16:26 Adam You've already brought plenty of shame to the family. Now, don't bring a kid. You know what I mean? That's extra shame.

1:16:32 Caller Yeah, I know.

1:16:33 Drew Your parents are probably delighted that you're being responsible. Now, if you have that kind of relationship with your parents, if you don't feel they can handle it or that you want to share this with them, it would be great if you could. Hopefully, that kind of dialogue is something you have with your parents, and I would wish you to have that. But if it's not realistic, just make sure you get the contraception. That's the real priority here.

1:16:52 Caller My question was, what's better, the pill or the shot?

1:16:57 Dr. Bruce Bekkar That's a good question. And actually, both of those methods fit right into the category of two of the better contraceptives because they're both highly effective. I like the shot, particularly for someone who's busy going to school and doesn't maybe have a great history of remembering, you know, having a great memory every day to take a pill. I think that's the biggest problem with the birth control pill is you got to remember it every single day. The shot, you only have to think about four times a year. And it is important to get it on time, but obviously that takes a whole lot less effort.

1:17:28 Drew How much of a window do you have with the depot?

1:17:31 Dr. Bruce Bekkar If you're, it's about three months or three weeks.

1:17:34 Drew Three weeks.

1:17:34 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Three weeks, yeah.

1:17:35 Adam So you get it every four months.

1:17:37 Drew Three months.

1:17:38 Adam Three months, sorry. And how much is the depot shot?

1:17:44 Dr. Bruce Bekkar How much does it cost?

1:17:46 Adam How much does it weigh? Yeah, how much does it cost? These doctors, they're smart.

1:17:52 Dr. Bruce Bekkar This is the beauty of working for Kaiser Permanente. I don't have to, I don't know what people pay for things. It's all out of my hands. It is not comparatively a more expensive choice than the pill.

1:18:03 Adam Well, the pill is, is it 20 bucks, 30 bucks a month? Something like that. I mean, if it's a choice between that and cable, though, I'm sorry, I'm going to cable. But it's probably not 90 bucks or 100 bucks. It's probably cheaper than that.

1:18:18 Dr. Bruce Bekkar It depends on where she gets it and what the pharmacies, the deal that they've got worked out.

1:18:22 Drew I have patients who go down to Mexico and get it.

1:18:23 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Maybe give it to them.

1:18:24 Drew They get it for like five bucks.

1:18:26 Adam You do not have patients who go to Mexico.

1:18:29 Drew Yes.

1:18:29 Adam No.

1:18:30 Drew I have patients who go to Mexico for all kinds of stuff. Absolutely.

1:18:33 Adam Other buying tile.

1:18:34 Drew No, Coumadin is a very expensive medicine they get typically in Mexico. Antidepressants they get in Mexico. Depo-Provera is one that patients, we, you know, we're broadcasting from Los Angeles and this is two and a half hours from Mexican border. My patients go down there and get and buy stuff.

1:18:47 Adam But they go to Puerto Vallarta. No, they go into Tijuana. And what do they do? You buy the shot? What do you buy?

1:18:54 Drew They buy a tubex, yeah.

1:18:55 Adam No, they don't.

1:18:56 Drew Or they buy a reusable vial.

1:18:59 Adam That's ridiculous. You do not have patients, do you? What patients? You see a bunch of old Jews. What are you talking about?

1:19:06 Drew No, I see some younger folk, too, here.

1:19:08 Adam Younger Jews? All right. So you get this depo shot. It's better than taking the pill.

1:19:15 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, I actually think they're both about the same, but one's a lot easier to remember than the other one. The side effects are a little bit different between the two methods. And I think if you go and you see a gynecologist, and again, Drew makes a great point, you don't really need to tell anyone you're going to do that. I think it would be the most responsible thing to go in there and get a pap smear. You're due for that now and talk about what the options are. But I think any of the hormonal methods, the pill and depo provera and norplant are all good choices for you right now. You just have to figure out which one fits your life best.

1:19:45 Drew You can go to Planned Parenthood if you want something that's completely away from your usual health care delivery or other sorts of delivery systems like Planned Parenthood. You need to be aware that if you go to your doctor, and by the way, whoever your doctor normally is, is there to help you with this kind of thing and he or she is not going to contact your parents. It's illegal for them to contact your parents. But you do need to be aware that if you use your insurance, that oftentimes what's called an EOB will appear in the mailbox of your parents since they're the insured people. And notification of what was paid to the doctor ends up going to the insured individual. So that could get a little unpleasant for you.

1:20:18 Adam How long is that Knorr plant good for?

1:20:20 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Knorr plant's good for five years. Although there's a new one that's going to come out before too long. That's going to be fewer capsules and probably only last about two years. So that'll work for, I think, women with a different priority.

1:20:32 Adam Knorr plant, they make a little incision and put it under the skin?

1:20:35 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Tiny little incision takes ten minutes.

1:20:38 Adam That's a long time when you're getting cut on though. You know what I mean? It feels like an hour and a half.

1:20:42 Dr. Bruce Bekkar You're completely, a woman is completely numb when she's having this placed. And they universally tell me after having it put in that it wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be.

1:20:50 Adam And where do they put it? In the upper arm?

1:20:51 Dr. Bruce Bekkar This, just inside the upper arm.

1:20:54 Adam And that's good for five years now?

1:20:56 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Five years, don't have to think about it.

1:20:58 Adam Wow. How much is that? You don't know.

1:21:01 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I think, again, they're all comparable. All these hormonal methods are roughly the same price, depending upon what your insurance benefits are.

1:21:08 Adam The side effects is, we always hear about this DepoProvera shot with some bleeding or something like that. Are the side effects from Norplant better or worse than the Depo?

1:21:17 Dr. Bruce Bekkar They're fairly similar. DepoProvera is given every three months. It runs a little higher blood level of the hormone that provides the contraception, the progesterone. They're fairly similar. They both have irregular bleeding that goes along with them, although half of the women who use DepoProvera don't have any periods at all after the first year. And it's important for them to know that this is not a bad thing. It actually doesn't hurt the women at all. It's just part of the hormonal effect.

1:21:45 Adam I'll tell you, when I'm in charge, Dr. Bruce, every woman is getting that Norplant.

1:21:53 Drew Until you clear them for pregnancy?

1:21:54 Adam That's right. They're going to have to pull a permit. And I will examine it very closely. Of course, there'll be a lot of palm greasing going on. That's all right. I can take pride. You know what I'm saying. Do any of your patients go into Mexico for the Norplant as well?

1:22:09 Drew No, never seen that. And by the way, I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying this is what people do. They go down and they're worried about the price of medicines they go down and do that.

1:22:17 Adam They're on a run. They're on a general drug run from here.

1:22:21 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Oh, I just took care of a patient that went to City of Hope who got an antibiotic over the counter in Mexico at one of these pharmacies. And apparently there was something wrong. They don't regulate the medications in Mexico the same way we do.

1:22:33 Adam That is a shock. What a surprise.

1:22:35 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, it was a horrible thing for her. She ended up dying from an aplastic anemia. So those medications that you can get over the counter in Mexico, they're not over the counter for a reason. I mean, some of them should be. Frankly, the birth control pill in the next five years will probably become an over the counter medicine.

1:22:52 Drew Really?

1:22:52 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, because frankly the risks of pregnancy are so much greater than the risks from the pill.

1:22:59 Drew Oh, I'm such an advocate of that. Where can I get on board to move that along?

1:23:02 Adam Oh, Drew, there's going to be a bunch of big fat white religious guys that are sodomizing their stepdaughters who are going to be dead set against that kind of activity.

1:23:10 Drew Maybe true, but this is so much the right thing. I'm going to lead the charge on this one. This is just... Where do I sign up?

1:23:17 Adam I don't know, but I'm going to the bathroom.

1:23:18 Drew All right, go ahead.

1:23:19 Adam Okay, I'm going to lead the charge in the bathroom.

1:23:20 Drew Okay, I'll go.

1:23:20 Adam Dr. Drew said Bekar is here from... Dr. Drew's Bekar. Dr. Drew's... Okay.

1:23:25 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Dr. Drew and Dr. Bekar.

1:23:26 Drew He will be on drdrew.com.

1:23:27 Adam Let's just pee and...

1:23:29 Drew Check it out, ask some questions there if you have a chance to call in tonight.

1:23:31 Adam Okay, let's cut our losses by peeing together, Drew. We need to get back to that. We'll be back. Hey, hey, hey, it is Loveline. Dr. Bruce Bekkar is here. He is the co-author of a book called Your Guy's Guide to Gynecology, and there's plenty of alliteration to be had on this title. It is a fun and easy read. It's a light-hearted romp, a puckish satire, right Drew?

1:24:16 Drew A puckish satire of contemporary mores.

1:24:18 Adam It really teaches you everything you need to know, and you know what, it doesn't go on too long about any one thing. It's just here's what herpes is, good, don't get it, we're moving on. And I like that. And it really explains a lot of things that guys want to know. And I really think it's a good idea, and I think it's an idea whose time has come. What kind of guy is learning about the between the two?

1:24:43 Drew He asked me for a quote about this book, that was my quote.

1:24:46 Adam Really? You ripped it off for me?

1:24:48 Drew You just ripped it off for me.

1:24:49 Adam Oh really? But did I hear you say it?

1:24:52 Drew No, it's bizarre that we came up with you. We spent too much time, we just peed together.

1:24:56 Adam Well there's another cliché, I think it's TARDOS THINK ALIKE. Is that how it went? Ben?

1:25:04 Hey.

1:25:04 Adam Hey, you're 15.

1:25:06 Caller Yeah, my girlfriend, one day we were talking, and she just said that when she looks, because she has like a mirror on a wall of all different people, and she was telling me that when she looks at a woman's body, it's like, oh my god, you know, but then when she looks at a guy's body, it's like not the same. And I was just like, I like asked her about it, and then she said that...

1:25:30 Drew You asked her.

1:25:32 Caller Sorry. Sorry.

1:25:34 Drew That's all right.

1:25:35 Caller But I asked her about it, and she said that she had, she's been having thoughts about it for a long time, even before she was going out with me, but she has like really religious friends, and she's not religious herself, but she's afraid that they won't be friends with her anymore.

1:25:54 Drew So she is intending to be lesbian?

1:25:57 Caller What do you mean?

1:25:59 Drew Is that her plan? Is that she really is acknowledging that?

1:26:03 Caller I don't know. We went to the library and she wanted to look up books on it, but they didn't have any because we live in a crappy town with no good books.

1:26:09 Drew Well Ben, you should realize that most humans-

1:26:12 Adam What books you need on, why do you have to look up lesbianism?

1:26:16 Drew She's struggling, whatever. Most humans identify sexuality with the female form, and women do that too, especially young women. Not only do they start to sort of identify sexuality with females, they also tend to sometimes confuse intimate warm feelings with sexual feelings. So it's a time when she's clarifying who she is. And she may be lesbian, that's possible. Or even bisexual. But the point is, don't rush to judgment at this stage of the developmental cycle, okay? Just let her cool out, let her figure out who she is. Don't do a lot of experimentation, because that tends to add to people's confusion at your age. And we'll see where she goes.

1:26:54 Caller All right?

1:26:55 Drew Do you want to say something about this?

1:26:56 Caller Because I can't.

1:26:57 Drew Hang on, Ben, one sec.

1:26:59 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, I just, I agree with you, Drew. I think it's very common for her to not be completely settled about how she feels about her sexuality. This is a brand new topic for her. It's a real emotionally charged topic. It's something really important. And I think it's great that she's able to talk to you about her ambiguity, her uncertainty. So that's a real good start. And I think that's a sign of a healthy relationship that you guys can talk about it. And don't rush the outcome. It will, I'm sure, become obvious over the course of time.

1:27:32 Adam Dr. Bruce, as a gynecologist, do you offer a discount for lesbians?

1:27:40 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Okay.

1:27:41 Adam I mean, they're not getting the intercourse, you know. So things aren't being jostled around quite as much. There's not as much reason to go to the gynecologist, you know. And I would think they'd need a little more incentive to bring these lesbians in. I mean, you say when you become sexually active, that's when you should go to the gynecologist. Does that include lesbians?

1:28:04 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yes, all women.

1:28:05 Adam Really? Why lesbians?

1:28:06 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well, the only reason that women come to see the gynecologist is not just because they might have gotten a sexually transmitted disease or become pregnant. They also need an exam to look for any kind of problems they might be having. Some women can still get infections from other women.

1:28:21 Adam But as a rule, like, okay, don't take this the wrong way.

1:28:25 Drew Oh, God.

1:28:26 Adam Let me ask this important question.

1:28:28 Drew Oh, I'm sure.

1:28:28 Adam Could you look at a vagina that had been involved in a heterosexual relationship for like a good 30 years and then look at a lesbian vagina for 30 years and see the difference? You know what I mean? When looks like it's been, you know, worn out a little bit or been, you know, I'll predict he's going to say no. Use a little more. You think you would tell the difference? No, no, no difference there.

1:28:53 Drew One may have had a baby and then you could tell the difference.

1:28:55 Adam As I was saying, I mean, once.

1:28:56 Dr. Bruce Bekkar And there are lesbian couples that have babies too.

1:28:59 Adam Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And it's wrong all at the same time. All right. But you don't see lesbians wouldn't come in as much, would she? You think so?

1:29:09 Dr. Bruce Bekkar No, they need to come in too.

1:29:11 Drew I disagree. I think they're, no.

1:29:13 Adam You think they come in more?

1:29:14 Drew I have some lesbian patients that are very fastidious about their care.

1:29:17 Adam Yeah.

1:29:18 Drew Appropriately as fastidious.

1:29:19 Adam Yeah. It's got to be kind of yucky for you to be poking around out there. Don't think that's weird?

1:29:25 Drew You really are homophobic, aren't you? I've been defending you as just sort of, in the actually, homophilic.

1:29:31 Adam Let me be honest. Let's be honest. Let's put all cards on the table here. Three quarters of lesbians are lesbians because some uncle went poking around down there at some point around their fifth birthday anyway, right? So now you got some other guy poking around down there and it's a little weird for them.

1:29:45 Drew I have not encountered that.

1:29:46 Adam Thank you.

1:29:47 Drew No, no, I'm not. Maybe you may have.

1:29:48 Adam They're both nodding their heads.

1:29:49 Drew I know. You may have a point that may be out there, but I have not encountered it.

1:29:52 Adam It's out there. Seriously, half of lesbians have had somebody tamper around with them, right? We've done this show long enough. Natalie?

1:30:00 Yeah.

1:30:01 Adam You're 20?

1:30:01 Caller Yeah.

1:30:02 Adam What's going on?

1:30:03 Caller I want to ask Dr. Bruce why or what I can do for chronic yeast infections.

1:30:07 Drew Chronic or recurrent?

1:30:09 Caller Well, they don't seem to go away and they just give me suppositories over and over.

1:30:14 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, that's a very common problem and it's a very uncomfortable one. The first thing I like to do when I see someone with this kind of a complaint is I want to make sure, first of all, it's really yeast because-

1:30:25 Caller Sometimes it's bacterial, but a lot of times when they say it's the yeast infection.

1:30:29 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Yeah, I would make sure you're going to see a gynecologist. I'm not tooting the horn of the specialty I'm in, but frankly, seeing someone else who's outside the specialty, occasionally they'll miss the diagnosis and then it just complicates things. So first of all, we want to determine if it's truly yeast. Then there are some real particular problems that occur that make women more prone to yeast, frankly, if a woman is diabetic, if she's, if you're, okay.

1:30:56 Caller I do use like steroidal inhalers.

1:30:59 Drew Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, absolutely.

1:31:01 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Is it for asthma?

1:31:02 Caller Well, yeah.

1:31:03 Drew Absolutely.

1:31:03 Caller Is there like a pill? I mean, because I have to fight with them to even get an appointment now because they just want to tell me to take...

1:31:09 Drew Also, have you tried any of the new, what are called, phosphodiastereous inhibitors like accolade or cingulaire?

1:31:15 Caller No, there was another one I asked for and that was just like a one... Oh, you mean for my asthma?

1:31:19 Drew Yeah, because that might reduce your need for the corticosteroid inhalers.

1:31:23 Caller Accolade?

1:31:24 Drew Accolade or cingulaire.

1:31:26 Dr. Bruce Bekkar So that would be a good place to start. The other thing that's typically recommended is to make sure you're not eating a whole lot of sweets.

1:31:34 Adam Really? What's that do?

1:31:35 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Well somehow it seems to promote the growth of yeast. Another common problem with chronic yeast infections is that they never quite get treated adequately and so you have to make sure you use the treatment for the full length of time and then if I can determine that it's a chronic problem and it's not responding to the usual seven-day therapy then sometimes 14 days is required.

1:31:54 Adam Alright.

1:31:54 Drew My experience in the suppository sometimes don't dissolve all the way and get it way up inside. Sometimes the cream is better for some women.

1:32:01 Dr. Bruce Bekkar I haven't found that to be the case but it makes sense. There are a lot of minor treatment failures that women can get. There are also some resistant forms of yeast.

1:32:08 Adam Right now we're going on another yeast lap. Do you understand what you do when you do that? We now have to reset the yeast clock again. We've got someone on hold here for 86 minutes. Michael.

1:32:22 Drew Okay.

1:32:24 Adam Don't blame me because our Tardo listeners can't respond. Michael, you're 14. Now look at him, he's sleeping.

1:32:32 Drew Listen.

1:32:37 Adam I knew I shouldn't have let you guys talk.

1:32:41 Drew He sounds like he's wheezing a little bit. His question was whenever he takes aspirin, he gets weird hallucinations and asthmatics get weird reactions to aspirin.

1:32:48 Adam Oh, really?

1:32:49 Drew Don't take any more aspirin, Michael. There we go.

1:32:51 Adam I'm sure that'll sink in. All right. See, your yeast symposium put this poor son of a bitch right to bed.

1:32:58 Drew Recommit to this show, will you?

1:32:59 Adam All right. We'll do that after this. And it is the love and the line. Drew's here, he's punching his mic for the last time possibly tonight, right Drew? All right, I want to thank Dr. Bruce Bekkar for coming in. Your guy's guide to gynecology, he wrote along with Uduwan, which really, most people just must call him Uduwan, right?

1:33:55 Drew Uduwan. Yeah, bruisedductor.com will be taking questions if you want to register there and send us questions for him. I will make sure he gets them and tries to respond to them.

1:34:03 Adam All right. Thank you very much, Bruce.

1:34:05 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for being so gentle with me.

1:34:07 Adam It was it was fun and informative, just like you are to your patients. Now, you're welcome. You know, we should have Dr. Bruce back every like six years or something.

1:34:18 Drew Cycle.

1:34:18 Adam When does Haley's comment come by?

1:34:19 Dr. Bruce Bekkar Every Haley's comment, that would be good.

1:34:21 Adam Right. OK. Now, seriously, I can't even feel it when I'm gone. Fantastic. Yeah. He may be better than you, Drew. Certainly knows more about the crunch. So until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:34:36 Caller This is Ben Loveline. The views expressed on Loveline are not necessarily those of the staff, the management or the sponsors of this radio station. And are probably not the views of Westwood One Entertainment. Loveline is produced by Anne Wilkins Zingal. Now, please listen to this station longer.

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