Episode 1000754887145

0:57 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised.

1:03 Voiceover Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, Coast to Coast.

1:09 Adam Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. I was gonna give the fax number out, but it fell off the wall.

1:20 Drew A 4-0, 5-0, 4-0.

1:24 Adam Oh, we're not supposed to do it anymore?

1:26 Drew All right.

1:27 Adam There you go. You know what I love about this show? Real time, baby. You don't give out that fax number. You find out after the show began. Do we have a fax number? It's just not happening anymore.

1:38 Drew No, we're gonna switch to e-mails and message boards and that kind of thing.

1:41 Adam Oh, I've been doing that. I've been communicating with the kids for years that way.

1:44 Drew And I'm gonna pull up my computer. You'll love that. You're very happy. I know.

1:48 Adam People are, I don't think people believe me. They go, what's your address?

1:53 Email.

1:55 Adam Email? I'm like, huh? No, no, no, nothing. Nothing.

1:59 My favorite.

2:00 Adam I don't know anything.

2:01 Drew Adam, that would be fine. Thank you. That's okay.

2:03 Adam Thank you.

2:04 Drew The fact that you buy multi-thousand dollars with the computer equipment, they've never had the on switch pressed.

2:09 Adam Yeah, but listen, when the maid comes to my house, it's important for her to think I'm a heavy hitter.

2:14 Drew I know.

2:15 Adam Speaking of heavy hitters, Bob Guccione Jr. is going to be in here tonight. He was the former editor in chief of Spin Magazine. Found out he sold that baby for 43 million bucks. Now, well, not now. I mean, he did both at the same time, right? Gear's been around for a few years.

2:31 Drew I remember that he was here last when they were launching this, remember? I was just getting going kind of.

2:36 Adam Bob Guccione Jr. has been on the show, I think, a couple of times. And last time he was here, Gear was in full effect because he was here probably less than a year ago. Oh, no? More than a year ago?

2:48 Drew And?

2:48 Adam Did we have a fax machine when he was here last?

2:51 Drew And when was Bob Guccione Jr. last year? Like, about two years ago?

2:54 Two years?

2:55 Adam Jeez, I would have said a year. Well, see what happens.

2:57 Drew You're never wrong, so it's probably...

2:59 Adam No, no, you take those painkillers and wash them down with booze every night. Right in the time, whoosh.

3:03 Drew Zip's on by.

3:04 Adam That's right. All right, we will go to the phone. So Bob should be in here any moment now. We'll talk to him about Gear, which is a great, great magazine for men. Although I don't believe men should be reading. Jenny is 22. What's up?

3:18 Bob Guccione Jr. Hi.

3:19 Adam Hey.

3:19 Bob Guccione Jr. I had sex with my boyfriend a couple hours ago.

3:22 Adam You had sex?

3:23 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

3:24 Adam Yes.

3:24 Bob Guccione Jr. And I wanted him to stop, and he didn't, and we didn't talk about it yet. I left really upset and mad, and he doesn't, I don't think he exactly knows why, because we didn't speak about it, but it brought up some bad issues for me, and I don't know.

3:40 Drew This was your first time having sex with him?

3:42 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, I've been with him for two and a half years.

3:44 Drew What happened this time?

3:46 Bob Guccione Jr. I just, I wasn't in the mood anymore.

3:48 Drew And how?

3:49 Bob Guccione Jr. I wasn't enough, like, for play, and I had to pee, so like the lower part of my stomach was hurting.

3:56 Drew Listen, you gotta appeal to guys in a very sort of matter of fact, rational way. I gotta pee. I think I might have got him to stop.

4:03 Adam Listen, I use number two. That gets them off, that'll get them off you a lot faster than pee.

4:08 Drew But it made you feel powerless, huh, Jenny?

4:10 Bob Guccione Jr. It, it just brought up some bad things for me.

4:15 Drew Well, but usually the experience is that of being completely out of control and powerless.

4:20 Adam You were raped before, molested?

4:22 Bob Guccione Jr. No, I was in an abusive relationship with an older guy. And at the end of our relationship, I wasn't on the pill anymore. And we would have sex and I would tell him, you have to pull it out. I'm not on the pill anymore. And he wouldn't.

4:36 In my eyes, that's still rape.

4:37 Drew Yeah, that's abuse, right.

4:39 Bob Guccione Jr. So my current boyfriend knows all about what I've been through.

4:42 Drew What happened before that? Where, where has the abuse sort of started, the cycle of this victimization?

4:47 Bob Guccione Jr. You mean like in my last relationship?

4:49 Drew No.

4:50 Adam Yeah, no, that's exactly what we mean. We're talking about six months ago, honey. Not 16 years ago.

4:56 Bob Guccione Jr. Right.

4:57 Adam Right.

4:58 Drew What happened 16 years ago?

5:00 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, I used to live with my mom and she was like verbally abusive. Like she'd go out all night and party. And I'm like, I was 10 years old at the time. I'd wake up for school the next morning. She still wouldn't be home from partying the night before.

5:12 Drew All right.

5:13 Bob Guccione Jr. So finally I got out of that. I moved in with my dad.

5:15 Now I'm happier than how.

5:17 Drew So mom was abusive and abandoning and all. Okay.

5:20 All right.

5:20 Bob Guccione Jr. Trying to get our relationship back together. And that's going a little good, but I still have issues.

5:25 All right.

5:25 Adam Listen, little therapy, little work. Don't get pregnant. And I don't trust this guy because you picked him.

5:31 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

5:32 Adam All right. Thank you. Bob Guccione Jr. just walked in. So we had to wrap it up.

5:37 Bob Guccione Jr. Hey guys.

5:38 Adam Hey Bob.

5:39 Bob Guccione Jr. How you doing?

5:39 Adam Good. Good to see you. And congratulations on Gear. What year are we in with Gear?

5:46 Bob Guccione Jr. Two hundred.

5:49 Adam I thought you meant two hundred.

5:50 Bob Guccione Jr. It feels like two hundred years. Two and a half years. We're in the third year.

5:54 Adam What do you mean C?

5:55 Drew I said it would just be going a few months when he was last year.

5:58 Bob Guccione Jr. That's right.

5:58 Adam No, I think he came back again in between the time he got it going in the time.

6:05 Drew Are you here to ask him?

6:06 Adam I don't like to talk to the guest, Drew.

6:10 Bob Guccione Jr. He speaks only through a medium. That's me.

6:12 Adam Ask Bob the last time he was in the studio.

6:15 Drew Bob, last time you were here?

6:16 Bob Guccione Jr. About two years ago.

6:16 Drew Two years ago. Adam, by the way, has never been wrong. Until tonight.

6:21 Bob Guccione Jr. Until tonight. I can't honestly remember. I think it's over a year at least. I think it's nearly two. You were just starting your.com.

6:30 Adam Has this been about a year and a half ago?

6:31 Yeah, about a year and a half ago.

6:32 Bob Guccione Jr. We were going to hook up and we got a chance to, so it's about a year and a half ago, yeah.

6:36 Adam All right. Well, somewhere.

6:37 Bob Guccione Jr. They still have fun memories and the occasional nightmare about being here.

6:41 Adam Tell me. Well, here comes the nightmare, brother. This guy, I'm working on the, back at work at the Man Show now, and the gear is required reading for everyone in the office. I see hundreds of these things floating around all the time and it's great just to browse through. Obviously, if you're not, if you have a short attention span like me and you're not much of a reader, it's great to look at and the articles are short and concise and they get to the point. They got a lot of cool stuff like Drew was looking at the real doll in there, which is a $6,000 doll.

7:16 Bob Guccione Jr. Uncanny.

7:17 Drew Is this Bob Cat's wife?

7:18 Adam Yes, it spooked Drew out. Spooked Drew out. Nicky Cox is on the cover this month.

7:24 Bob Guccione Jr. You know, since we're on radio, no one can see the fact that we've changed from real dolls to Nicky Cox. Bob Cat is not in fact engaged to a real doll.

7:31 Adam Yeah, well let me explain the wonder and magic of Dr. Drew. As I launch into the real doll thing, which he was looking at and marveling at 10 minutes ago before we went on the air, he then shows me another picture and asks if this is Bob Cat's wife. That's great radio, Drew. This is the part where you're supposed to chime in and say, you know what, Adam, not only that, but I was just looking at that and you're so right. And let me go on and tell you about this real doll, but not Drew.

7:57 Drew No, not me.

7:58 Adam All right, now what about this real doll, Drew? Did you find it again? Did you have some thoughts about it?

8:03 Drew No, it was bizarre. They were made to order dolls.

8:06 Bob Guccione Jr. I mean, it's how life like they are.

8:08 Drew Did you see this thing? Have you been to their little factory?

8:11 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, but when I had the photographs were in my office and one of the editors came in looking for the photographs.

8:18 Drew These are dolls.

8:19 Adam Yeah, I know. I saw that. I checked off to that picture and then I found out there were dolls and I felt like I was raped. I felt raped. I really felt violated. I want my semen back.

8:30 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, Bob, I only wish I could give it back to you.

8:32 Adam Where do they, oh, you will, oh, yes. Where do they manufacture these things?

8:37 Bob Guccione Jr. I think it's Germany, right?

8:38 Drew I didn't read the article.

8:40 Bob Guccione Jr. I did read it. I can't remember. I think it was Germany.

8:42 Adam That makes sense.

8:43 Bob Guccione Jr. They're so lifelike that when the pictures were in my office, an editor came in looking for them and he said, where are the real doll pictures? And I said, over there, he goes, wow, these girls are hot. Where are the real doll pictures? I said, no, they are the dolls.

8:56 Drew Wow.

8:56 Bob Guccione Jr. It's freaky. I mean, they're $6,000, but they're really so lifelike, it's unbelievable.

9:01 Adam Well, listen, one of Drew's strumpets runs at least that for the weekend, so.

9:06 Drew What's a strumpet?

9:07 Bob Guccione Jr. And she's really lifelike.

9:08 Adam It would pay for itself in just a matter of weeks. But you know something I was thinking about, Bob, on the ride over, I was thinking that the sort of the pinup girl is back, in a sense. I mean, it used to be like...

9:20 Bob Guccione Jr. Not a moment too soon.

9:21 Adam Right. Drew, when we were coming up, it was either Playboy or sort of TV. Yeah. There wasn't really the pinup girl thing.

9:29 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, it was National Geographic.

9:31 Adam Yeah. I mean, either you were getting nude or you're down by the river with a bone through your lip. You know what I mean? We didn't really have... If there were celebrities that we wanted to see scantily clad, we couldn't really find that. Right. And this is nice. And all these women, even these women that have these sort of squeaky clean images, these, you know, Sabrina the Teenage Witches and these Jennifer Love Hewits and types like this, because they're all getting in line to pose for the magazine.

10:01 Bob Guccione Jr. Absolutely.

10:02 Adam And I guess it's a career, I guess every woman wants to be sexy and this is a legitimate way to do it.

10:08 Bob Guccione Jr. But that's true, it is legitimate.

10:10 Adam You know what I mean?

10:10 Bob Guccione Jr. Because it's attractive, it's sexy.

10:12 Drew I don't think the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit magazine has something to do with people with their crossover and clothes on coming back.

10:19 Bob Guccione Jr. I told my father in 1984 to take the nudes out of Penthouse. And he said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not. Sports Illustrated outsells Penthouse and Playboy with its swimsuit issue. I said, the sexual revolution is over. It's been won. We won. We can have it. It's free. It's liberated. But people want mystery. And that was true in 1984. It's ever more true nearly 20 years later. And so the women who are TV stars, they want to be thought of sexy. They certainly don't and rightly so don't want to be necessarily parading around nude and have their photographs all over the place. So they want it that in between area, right?

10:58 Drew If the mystery has anything to do with the propensity now to see urine in these magazines.

11:04 Bob Guccione Jr. I've never been that keen on urine myself.

11:07 Drew Good. I'm glad to hear that.

11:08 Adam Where is this?

11:09 Bob Guccione Jr. Where have you seen urine?

11:09 Drew This is Adam claims.

11:11 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, scratch and sniff.

11:12 Adam Hustler, Hustler, Penthouse is a fair amount of Hustler, sure. Urine, urine in it. There's, there's urine is popping up.

11:21 Bob Guccione Jr. Hustler is printed with urine.

11:22 Adam Yes, they actually is a urine-based ink. You're right.

11:25 Bob Guccione Jr. Urine-based ink, yeah.

11:26 Adam From pregnant mares. It is something that has popped up in the Harder Core magazines, the Edgier magazines. And I know, I don't understand it because I can't imagine a majority of American men being into people being urinated on, but it's as I was telling Larry Flint, you got to keep going forward.

11:44 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, if that's forward. I'm not sure I can imagine the minority of American men is in urine.

11:50 Adam There's a...

11:51 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm interested in losing some of the commercial break, but not necessarily sharing it.

11:54 Adam Right, but there's an envelope that needs to be pushed, and that's pushing it or filling it or doing something on it. Steven?

12:02 Yeah?

12:02 Adam You're 19.

12:04 Caller Yeah.

12:05 Adam What's up?

12:06 Bob Guccione Jr. Okay, well, I've been with my girlfriend for... Well, actually, she's my fiancé, and I've been with her for a year and three months, and not only will she not have sex, and that's fine, she won't do anything more than kiss. And if I try to talk about it, she gets really uncomfortable.

12:21 Drew What does she say?

12:22 Bob Guccione Jr. She says that she's afraid that it's going to lead to something more, and she's afraid we're going to get more... Like married?

12:29 Drew Well, have you ever been sexually active with her?

12:31 Bob Guccione Jr. Not with her, no.

12:32 Adam Is she religious?

12:33 Bob Guccione Jr. No, it's not a religion thing.

12:35 Adam Wait, is she a virgin?

12:37 Caller She is a virgin.

12:38 Adam Has she ever had any trauma in her life?

12:40 Bob Guccione Jr. No, she's never been sexually abused, and she has a really stable family life.

12:44 Adam Well, it's not a religious thing.

12:47 Drew What's that weird energy in Steve?

12:49 Adam I don't know.

12:49 Drew You get that?

12:50 Adam Yeah, but I think it's a sort of naïve energy.

12:52 Drew I hope. I just want to put a warning out to our jack-off callers. Any male that screws around with us, that's it. Males are out tonight. We're setting limits. Time out to all males. If any one of you screws around with us tonight.

13:05 Adam You laid the gauntlet down, Drew.

13:06 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I'm with the guys. Don't screw around with us.

13:09 Adam Stephen?

13:09 Yeah?

13:10 Adam All right, I'm sorry for Drew's warning. You've only kissed her.

13:15 Right.

13:15 Adam You've been with her for over a year.

13:17 Yeah.

13:17 Adam You call her your fiancée. Yeah. Well, why do you make her your fiancée when you've never been anywhere with her?

13:24 Well, no, I really love her.

13:25 Bob Guccione Jr. I mean, it's just that, like, you know, I keep expecting things to progress and they just keep not progressing.

13:30 Drew Well, she has told you they're not going to until you get married. Is that right?

13:33 Bob Guccione Jr. It's not just the sex. It's like nothing in between, you know, like nothing in between.

13:37 Drew I understand that in your world, the 19-year-old world, the virginity is sort of a technicality, that you're supposed to work around it.

13:44 Bob Guccione Jr. Right.

13:44 Drew Yeah, sure.

13:46 Adam What's wrong with a BJ and some anal?

13:47 Drew That's right. BJ anal, sacs, nostril, whatever, that, you know, you're still virgin. And in her mind, maybe the more modern point of view would be that chastity is equivalent to virginity.

13:57 Adam But she sums up with her.

13:59 Bob Guccione Jr. She's a modern girl. She won't. I can't even touch her breast outside her clothing.

14:03 Adam All right. Well, listen, Stephen, did she tell you you could get some after you get married?

14:08 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, but we can't get married until she graduates.

14:11 Adam I see. From the junior high or? No. All right. Well, listen, Stephen, you have to decide if this is the path you want to go because she's made her intentions clear. She's laid out her sexual schedule. And now you have to respect it and decide, are you in or are you out? It's like a job. It's like your boss saying, you want to work here? Here's the dress code. Here's the hours. You want to work.

14:35 Drew However, both of us have the sense that there's some information missing.

14:39 Adam Yes.

14:40 Drew Something about her ethnicity or her religious orientation, some piece that would make it all fit together.

14:46 Adam Right. And he doesn't know it. Right.

14:48 Drew Well, he's not admitting to it.

14:49 Adam I don't think he knows it.

14:52 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes.

14:52 Adam You're 22. You're on with Bob Guccione Jr. Hi.

14:56 Caller Hi.

14:58 Bob Guccione Jr. My problem is that I've never been able to have sex without pain.

15:04 Bob Guccione Jr. Why?

15:05 Caller I don't know.

15:06 Drew Because you were sexually abused when you were a child?

15:09 No.

15:09 No, I wasn't.

15:10 Drew Because you heard that call last night, no? We had that discussion?

15:14 I didn't hear that last night. I'm sorry.

15:17 Drew And you had a pelvic exam?

15:20 Yes.

15:20 Drew And you have no problems?

15:22 No problems at all.

15:23 Drew And when is the pain, right? During penetration or?

15:27 During, after...

15:28 Drew At the moment he tries... Hang on. Right when he tries to get in, that's where there's a problem?

15:33 Adam No, but she said during, at the beginning and after.

15:36 Drew Yeah, but the important thing is if it starts right at penetration, it will continue throughout. It's the same problem. If it's after penetration that it starts up, it can be something different.

15:45 Adam Right. Well, all I need is to penetrate and I'm done.

15:47 Drew I understand.

15:48 Adam That's why I work well with the ladies.

15:49 Drew But this could be...

15:50 Adam I don't wear them out.

15:51 Bob Guccione Jr. You don't give them any pain, let's say.

15:53 Adam No, I can be the woman for years of vaginus brand-new.

15:58 Drew Is it a burning or irritated, anything like that?

16:02 Caller It's more burning.

16:04 Drew And it's not a spasm feeling, not like pain?

16:09 No.

16:11 Caller The only thing I can think of to describe it is kind of like a rug burn.

16:16 Drew And it's inside?

16:17 Yes.

16:18 Drew And there's nothing, no allergy to condoms? You're not using condoms?

16:21 No, I've been on the pill since I was 18.

16:26 Drew Have you tried changing the pill?

16:28 Yes.

16:28 Caller Yeah, I changed the prescription twice.

16:30 The doctor said it could be that.

16:31 Adam Have you been with the, this is, you've been with one guy for a while too, still?

16:37 This one guy, I've been with him for two years, but it was with my lack of a partner.

16:42 Drew And no history of trauma?

16:47 Caller Well, you said childhood trauma, so I said no. I was raped when I was in high school.

16:53 Adam All right.

16:54 Drew Well, there you go.

16:55 Adam Now, we would predict there was a little something before that. What happened with the rape?

17:01 Caller It was, I don't know what happened.

17:05 Drew Was it a date rape, somebody you knew well, or was it a fun?

17:07 Yeah, it was a date rape.

17:08 Drew Date rape.

17:09 Adam Yeah. That was a boyfriend?

17:13 No.

17:15 He was just a friend.

17:16 Adam All right. Nothing before that?

17:19 No.

17:19 Drew Did you press charges?

17:21 No, I didn't.

17:22 Adam Oh, David's an alcoholic?

17:25 Caller No.

17:26 Adam Heroin?

17:27 No.

17:27 Adam Coke?

17:29 Caller No.

17:30 Drew Why didn't you press charges? The line of question is, why didn't you, as a result of you not having pressed charges, why didn't you?

17:37 Caller I didn't know. I was very confused at the time.

17:40 Caller Okay.

17:41 Caller I wasn't exactly even sure what had happened, to be honest with you.

17:45 Caller And it didn't really occur to me until a couple months later.

17:48 Caller All right. Yeah.

17:50 Adam Was your dad not around when you were growing up?

17:53 Caller No, no.

17:53 Bob Guccione Jr. My dad's even still around today.

17:55 Caller I mean, my parents have been married for 26 years.

17:58 Adam All right. Everything was good. No substance. Your dad didn't work around metal.

18:03 Caller No.

18:04 Adam No. All right. All right. The rape thing's a little... There's something connected there. But...

18:11 Bob Guccione Jr. But, Drew, why would that continue to be painful? Physically painful?

18:16 Drew If one of the most common, one of the more common causes of pelvic pain during a course is sexual abuse and rape. In our experience, people who call this show, people who have been raped typically had some sort of victimization before then. It's rather unusual for someone to be... And our callers that have been raped without previous victimization raise holy hell. They call the police. They call the lawyers. They call everybody. Or it was some sort of violent rape where they were attacked in a park and they just, you know, completely out of their control.

18:46 Bob Guccione Jr. And so is this pain in your mind, is it psychosomatic? They don't seem to be physical, right?

18:51 Drew No, these are physical pain, but your brain can induce pain states.

18:56 Bob Guccione Jr. Sure. But I mean, it's not like the, it's not a disease thing.

19:00 Drew No, not a disease thing.

19:01 Bob Guccione Jr. It's something like an STD.

19:02 Adam Yeah, but you see, the women's genitalia is wired to the brain via their spine, whereas my genitalia is wired to a toaster oven via an extension cord.

19:13 Drew You switch from the remote control.

19:15 Adam Yeah, I could be watching a documentary on the Holocaust and fully enjoy some oral sex. Do you know what I mean?

19:23 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

19:23 Adam Whereas a woman, it wouldn't...

19:24 Bob Guccione Jr. From a toaster.

19:25 Adam Yeah, oral sex from a toaster. The talking one from the commercial.

19:30 Drew I was talking to a woman about the music they like to hear during sex. First of all, the whole concept was bizarre to me. And I said, look, it could be the music from Schindler's List. I don't care.

19:37 Adam Right.

19:37 Drew Music?

19:38 Adam No, no. The music you like to hear during sex is the stuff that gets her horny. A, number one. B, number two, the stuff that drowns it out. So your roommate or folks or whoever don't catch on. That's what music during sex is for guys. And women are much more connected. And if they get scrambled a little emotionally, it's going to shut those parts out. And there's no, with women too, when it comes to this intimacy, the line is blurred between the emotional and the physiological. It's one. There's actual pain created from something that's emotional.

20:13 Bob Guccione Jr. I guess if we get raped, it would be the same for us.

20:16 Adam Yeah. I'd like to try it sometime. Just, you know, as a social experiment, Drew. See if we can get you raped in the next couple months.

20:22 Drew Oh, I thought you were going to rape you.

20:24 Adam Oh, either way.

20:25 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, boys.

20:25 Adam Either way.

20:27 Bob Guccione Jr. You can sort it out.

20:28 Adam Bring some of that medical, bring that medical grade coke you get you always talking about. Rub a little of that on me so I don't feel the pain.

20:35 Robert?

20:37 Hello?

20:37 Adam You're 15. What's up?

20:39 Caller Hey, what's up, Adam? Hey. Like every like two or three times a week, my testicles will start hurting for no reason.

20:47 Drew Two or three times a week?

20:48 Caller Yeah.

20:49 Drew 15.

20:50 Bob Guccione Jr. The reason may be because you are 15.

20:52 Caller Yeah.

20:53 Drew Are you masturbating regularly?

20:54 Caller Yeah.

20:55 Drew How regularly?

20:56 Caller Like two or three times a day.

20:58 Drew Yeah.

20:58 Bob Guccione Jr. Are you masturbating now?

21:00 Caller No.

21:00 Bob Guccione Jr. Okay, just checking.

21:01 Drew Maybe you're overdoing it.

21:03 Caller Like you think I should stop?

21:04 Drew Yeah. There are lots of... Well, not stop. I know there's not much chance of that anyway. But there are things that can happen. You can get inflammation of the epididymus, epididymitis, and you get prostate inflammation.

21:14 Adam Why don't you cut down to once a day and see what happens? Right.

21:18 Caller Okay.

21:19 Drew And are you using any weird creams or anything?

21:21 Caller Uh, no.

21:22 Drew Things that could irritate the urethra? And you're not doing any... And no weird habits, no weird rituals around all this?

21:29 Adam I'm, by the way, on my 37th hour without masturbating.

21:35 Bob Guccione Jr. What is this, a telethon?

21:37 Adam Jay, let's check the tone for it. Well, 37, oh, almost 38 hours with no masturbation.

21:45 Drew Very impressive. How many years? And this is a personal record.

21:48 Adam Yeah, I'm on a personal bet. I'm on a run here. I cannot masturbate until tomorrow around one in the afternoon when I get my sperm tested. So this is...

21:58 Drew He's giving a specimen tomorrow.

21:59 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, really?

21:59 Adam Yeah.

22:00 Bob Guccione Jr. Who to?

22:02 Adam Some dude. No, I'm doing a little competition with Jimmy, my partner from the man show. We're gonna see whose sperm is better, basically. And they tell you you gotta wait two days in order to get it up to speed. And to me...

22:17 Bob Guccione Jr. Do you have your eye on Jimmy at all times? Make sure he's not like faking this somehow.

22:21 Adam You mean like...

22:22 Bob Guccione Jr. You know, substituting sperm.

22:23 Adam Smuggled sperm.

22:24 Bob Guccione Jr. Younger guy's sperm. Smuggling sperm.

22:26 Adam He has a...

22:27 Bob Guccione Jr. Do you have interns on the show? Some young studs.

22:30 Adam That's interesting. Yeah, he could have some like cornerback from the NFL, some 22 year old guy straight out of college, who runs a 4-4-40. Yeah. And you're right.

22:39 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I keep my eye on him.

22:40 Adam I did actually...

22:41 Bob Guccione Jr. We both know Jimmy.

22:42 Adam I did think about smuggling sperm into the spankatorium and bringing it out with me. The other thing is, Drew, you would love this.

22:51 Drew Spankatorium.

22:52 Adam We're having a competition to see who finishes first.

22:55 Drew Yeah.

22:56 Adam And we're doing a Lamans type start where we run for the bathroom.

23:00 Drew Is there going to be a checkered flag at the end?

23:01 Adam Cousin Sal, yes, has made his way around the Man Show office and his putting bets down.

23:07 Drew Oh, I'm sure of that.

23:08 Adam People are taking bets like it's a Super Bowl.

23:10 Drew I want in. What are you talking about?

23:11 Adam You want in? You gotta talk to Cousin Sal.

23:14 Drew I know you have the eye of a ninja.

23:16 Adam Yeah, I'm the odds-on favorite, but Jimmy's a sleeper. They don't realize what he's got, which is not getting laid in high school. Any guy who didn't get an ounce of ass in high school is a masturbatory ninja. I mean, that's where you hone your craft.

23:31 Bob Guccione Jr. It's Zen at that point. It is Zen.

23:32 Adam Yeah, masturbation is not much different than golf in that if you start early and do it often, you'll be good your whole life. You'll always be better than a guy who picks it up later in life.

23:48 Bob Guccione Jr. What guy picks that up later in life?

23:50 Adam Masturbation. Well, there's a guy who could have been in a bad bullpen accident. No, no, there could be. Let's say there's a guy who has a girlfriend all through high school and is just getting steady ass all the way through high school. He will not masturbate.

24:07 Bob Guccione Jr. He has nothing to apologize for.

24:09 Adam Yeah, but he will not. Oh, he's paying now though. He's lost his edge. All right, Bob Guccione Jr. is our guest. Of course, the editor-in-chief of Gear Magazine. We'll take ourselves a little break. We'll be back after this.

24:26 We'll be right back. Call on the 1-800-LOVES-191.

24:59 Adam This is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, Bob Guccione Jr.'s here. He, of course, is the editor of Gear Magazine. And how's your dad doing?

25:14 Bob Guccione Jr. He's doing okay.

25:16 Adam What do you, Bob Guccione Sr. is the penthouse guy. He also, did he do Wee?

25:23 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, that was Playboy did Wee.

25:24 Adam Oh, Playboy did Wee.

25:25 Drew Is that not still around, is it?

25:27 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, long gone.

25:27 Drew Oh, my God.

25:28 Adam Yeah.

25:29 Bob Guccione Jr. Classic.

25:29 Adam Oh, yeah. That's what it is.

25:31 Caller Oh, my God.

25:32 Bob Guccione Jr. It may actually still be around because Playboy sold it years ago.

25:35 Drew Or as I heard people talking about it in the New York City, in the New York streets. Oi. Oi.

25:40 Caller I want the gobby that, Oi.

25:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Oi.

25:43 Adam I did myself good to that, Oi, last night.

25:46 Caller Yeah.

25:46 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, that was nice.

25:48 Adam What other, you and your dad have sort of gone back and forth over the years, right?

25:53 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I wish it was more of that. It's been really sort of 15 years of not talking to each other. I've tried very hard to break that.

26:00 Drew Really? You have other siblings?

26:01 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

26:02 Caller How many?

26:03 Bob Guccione Jr. I have three. Two younger brothers and a younger sister.

26:06 Drew And they have relationships that are good?

26:08 Bob Guccione Jr. One doesn't. One has a sort of medium relationship. My sister's very close to him.

26:12 Adam Well, what's your dad's, I don't know all the details, but what's your dad's beef now?

26:18 Drew I mean, if you're trying to remember, let me just give you the 30,000 foot view. I don't know him at all. But when there's one in and the rest are kind of out, usually you have to completely subjugate yourself to that person. And usually one of the children are willing to do it and they become the idealized one and become one that splits the father or mother against all the other kids.

26:42 Adam Right. I see. Meaning Bob Guccione Sr is a guy who needs his kids to treat him like a daddy or like a ruler.

26:52 Drew Yes. Kids can't do that. You can't grow up and do that.

26:56 Bob Guccione Jr. Who would want their kids to do that?

26:58 Drew But you can't. In order for you to be a person, you have to get away from that.

27:01 Bob Guccione Jr. I'd be proud of my kids if they were their own parents.

27:03 Drew Of course. But he can't handle it.

27:05 Bob Guccione Jr. Of course. But I say that and I must now correct the record. I don't have kids so I can't say that I have all the answers about that. I hope to have kids and I hope when I have them they're independent little sons of bitches and they leave home at 16 and...

27:18 Drew But to say that, that's a compensation for what you had to deal with.

27:20 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

27:21 Drew I don't know.

27:22 Bob Guccione Jr. I think that's great.

27:23 Drew Yeah, I do too. I'm with you.

27:24 Bob Guccione Jr. I had a girlfriend once who was a single mother and I met her just after she'd given birth so I knew the kid from three months old. And she was... she and I should have hooked up. We just didn't. But we should have. This was 1991. And I said to her, you know, why not? She says, well, I've got to stay with the father for the kid's sake. I said, look at the child. Look, he's crawling away from you at all times. His impetus is to get away. Even at three months, he wants to go find the world. Isn't that just becomes exactly the course of time? Let, you know, don't worry about that. Be who you want to be with. Be with that person because, you know, you got to take care of yourself. The kid's already trying to find his own way in life. And I believe that's true. I knew when I was a kid and I first could think for myself, it was how do I get out of here? And it wasn't a bad home situation. I just was curious about the world. And I think the greatest gift you can give a kid is to let the kid feel free to go. I grew up in England. Where? In London. Mid-London.

28:18 Adam You went away to a boarding school or something, right?

28:20 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, no, no, no, no. I went to a local state school.

28:23 Adam Was your dad in...?

28:24 Drew Why do I remember that story, too?

28:25 Adam I sort of thought you went to a boarding school, too.

28:27 Drew Or maybe he was out here or something. Was he out here for part of that time or something?

28:31 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no. We were... My mother and father split when I was nine, but I grew up with my mother and went to what we called state school, which you call public school in this country, the equivalent of high school and junior high. We actually moved here in 1971 with him because we were a close family, even though the parents had split, we still stayed close.

28:51 Adam Because your mother was from England?

28:53 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

28:54 Adam Oh, so you went with her.

28:56 Bob Guccione Jr. We were all in England. No, we were all in England.

28:58 Adam Oh, okay.

28:58 Bob Guccione Jr. And in fact, we moved back to America and my father moved back at the same time. So we moved back here when he brought Penhouse here.

29:04 Drew Bob, spin drove me crazy for years.

29:07 Bob Guccione Jr. How come?

29:08 Drew The HIV thing.

29:10 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about it.

29:11 Drew It drove me nuts.

29:12 Bob Guccione Jr. Why? Why?

29:13 Drew Because it was so wrong.

29:15 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, no, it's so right. It's been ever more proven right. No, seriously, where do you think it's wrong? I'll let you start.

29:21 Drew Let me put it this way.

29:22 Bob Guccione Jr. I'll let you start.

29:22 Drew Well, I don't want to. Let's talk during the break.

29:24 Because it'll be a little boring.

29:27 Bob Guccione Jr. I think the whole of America is going, yo, man, a fight, a fight, a fight, bring it on.

29:30 Adam Tell them what Studio One said it up, Drew.

29:33 Drew That's been ran a series of articles about HIV, the virus and not being associated with the AIDS disease. And me and everyone who treats AIDS, now the very foundation of treatment is suppressing. And we've actually mapped out the amount of virus produced and the activity disease, the cell death that occurs in relation to the amount of virus produced. So the whole entirety of the focus of the disease is suppressing the viral count. And that's equated with suppressing the disease. What if you're wrong?

30:02 Bob Guccione Jr. What if you're wrong?

30:02 Drew What if it's not the virus?

30:03 Bob Guccione Jr. You're trying to suppress the viral count and it doesn't matter. What if?

30:06 Drew Then all those people that used to die shouldn't have died.

30:10 Bob Guccione Jr. That's possibly true for the reverse. Possibly they died because the onus was on the wrong thing. Let me now rebut. Our articles, we did 120, 10 years, literally 10 to the day, 10 years of column every month, 120 items. In the entirety of that 120 article run, we never once had to print a correction. Factually, we never printed a wrong fact. People didn't agree with our conclusions of those facts. Secondly, we never said HIV doesn't cause AIDS. What we said was no one has proven conclusively. And the single scientific paper to this day exists that says this is how HIV causes AIDS. And there are papers that say we believe it causes AIDS. They say there's a correlation between AIDS and HIV.

30:52 Drew But you understand that that's science. In science...

30:55 Bob Guccione Jr. No, I don't know. We know polio virus causes polio.

30:57 Drew No. In science, you can't prove that a billiard ball connecting with a billiard ball causes the other billiard ball to move across the table. You can't prove that conclusively. You can only make associations...

31:06 Bob Guccione Jr. Nobody dies...

31:07 Drew .and build theories on that.

31:08 Bob Guccione Jr. Nobody dies if you can't prove the billiard ball did the other billiard ball...

31:12 Drew But all science is theory. There's no fact in science anywhere.

31:15 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, I don't know. We all know the polio virus causes polio. We know how it works. We can prove the chain of action reaction.

31:25 Adam Let me ask you a question, Bob.

31:27 Bob Guccione Jr. Where's... Let me just say this.

31:29 Adam I respect... I don't like Drew. Don't get me wrong.

31:31 Bob Guccione Jr. No, I do like Drew. I do like Drew.

31:32 Caller Bob, I like you. That's why I could have this discussion.

31:34 Bob Guccione Jr. I like Drew and I respect Drew immensely. And Drew is not alone in believing that HIV is in fact absolutely the cause of AIDS. I believe that it's not been proven it doesn't cause it, but I believe it hasn't been proven it does cause it. And I think that there's a lot of evidence to suggest really chronic self-abusive behavior, whether it's chronic sexual activity, bringing about the introduction of so many different foreign proteins into your own bloodstream that your bloodstream gets overwhelmed. Whether it's drug abuse, intravenous or otherwise, that in fact destroys the organ's ability to defend you.

32:11 Drew The current heroin addicts, they live longer with AIDS. IV heroin addicts do unusually well.

32:16 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh man, look at Keith Richards, he lives longer, he just lives longer.

32:18 Drew They do unusually well. Heroin is good for you. Unexplainably. Unexplainably well with the AIDS virus.

32:24 Bob Guccione Jr. That's fascinating. That's actually, I didn't know that's fascinating.

32:26 Adam Let me just ask you this, Bob, where's your information coming from? I mean...

32:31 Drew No, his information is factual.

32:32 Adam No, I just mean, I mean, he is not a doctor, he's getting his information from doctors and scientists. What camp is this?

32:40 Bob Guccione Jr. That's a great question. I'm glad you asked that. I used to debate this, as you know, Drew, endlessly. And you could wake me up at 3 in the morning from a dead sleep and put me on the phone with the scientists and I'd go into automatic debate mode. And I used to always point out, I'm a journalist, I'm not a scientist that under the answers, I'm a journalist, I have the questions. And I stick to that line. I have the questions and until somebody completely and comprehensively answers those questions, I'll keep asking them, where do I get my information? Ironically, is from the government. The only place you can get statistics is the NIH. In most diseases, as Drew will tell you, there are a number of different sources that research it. With AIDS, uniquely so, all research has to be sanctioned by the NIH. So in effect, they control, they literally control the virus. They dole out samples of it. You and I couldn't get it. We could have a laboratory, it could be a recognized laboratory in every other part of the world, but the NIH is not going to give us HIV. We cannot study it in this country. So the NIH literally controls the study of AIDS. It's not true of other diseases. So we got all of our information from the government studies. We read them absolutely scrupulously, and we found that their own statistics and information suggested incongruencies. And we dealt with, journalistically, those incongruencies. We never said HIV doesn't cause AIDS. We said, there's just massive incongruencies, including the fact there are thousands, maybe only five to ten thousand cases of AIDS, clear-cut, absolutely AIDS, with no HIV. These are now called ICL, which is a name I can't pronounce on anywhere, in fact. I can't pronounce it even at home. It's a Latin name for me. It means, basically, AIDS.

34:26 Adam Without HIV?

34:28 Bob Guccione Jr. That's what it means.

34:29 Adam But do you believe there's a conspiracy?

34:31 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no. And that's the interesting thing. And I differ with a lot of the so-called dissidents in this, because I don't...

34:36 Drew It started with that, though.

34:38 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, I see. It started as a conspiracy theory.

34:39 Drew That's what used to drive me crazy.

34:40 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, no, I don't believe it. I never did. In fact, I've argued with the main proponent of this whole theory, Duisburg, who's a friend. I've argued violently with him, publicly and privately. I've argued with him...

34:50 Adam Duisburg, the Jewish private eye?

34:52 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes. Aldolf Duisburg, aye, aye. No, no, no. Peter Duisburg, the scientist. I said it's not a conspiracy theory. What it is, is a confluence of events and circumstances. If you go back to when AIDS happened, it was the early 80s, and it only afflicted the gays in the beginning. Now, it may have afflicted some other people. We didn't realize it, but it definitely afflicted the gays. It was, in fact, known as the gay cancer.

35:16 Drew Oh, it was called GRIDS, Gay Related Intestinal Disease Syndrome.

35:19 Bob Guccione Jr. Absolutely, yeah. So it was completely thought it was a gay thing. Well the gays realized that no one much cared about them societally in 1980 and 81. So they said, well, anyway, anybody's gonna ever care about us is if we spread a bit of fear that, hey, you're laughing now, guys, but some of these guys are bisexual and they're sleeping with your wives and your girlfriends. So laugh all you want, they're gonna give it to you. So naturally, every heterosexual, myself included, just absolutely, I can't use the word crap. I'll use the word crap to ourselves. When I've got tests, we're gonna die. We're all gonna die. Oh my God, I've had sex more than once. I'm gonna die. I'm negative now. You know, I'll get tested the next week. I'm sure I'm positive, right? We're all frightened. So all of a sudden, AIDS became in the mainstream. And two things happened at once. One, the heterosexuals got scared. Two, homosexual community, which was at the time, the only one that was afflicted was the bathhouse community. It was massively promiscuous. Suddenly, they're not so ostracized. Suddenly, they're brought into the mainstream. Suddenly, we have to care about that world because it could be our world now. So empowering a community that had themselves even admitted they were marginal, they now became very empowered societally. The next thing you know, you have AIDS dissidents, AIDS activists rather, mingling with the heads of the NIH and all the health agencies at cocktail parties talking about, well, we care about you folks, great, we're glad you care about us, approve more drugs. They're going, let's see, the drug industry would like that too, they'll approve more drugs. Then ten years later, you look back and you go, you know, this AZT, that's sort of like sucking on the back of a Concord while it was taking off. That's how toxic that was.

36:56 Drew Well, this was-

36:56 Bob Guccione Jr. And then it goes on and on.

36:57 Drew The speed with which drugs were being brought to market.

36:59 Bob Guccione Jr. Let me tell you something interesting. A doctor told me, Dr. Rasnik from Oakland, who's a very, very well-known and well-respected researcher, cancer researcher, now an AIDS researcher, he told me, he explains to me once, he says, what nobody realizes is that the activists pushing for early release of drugs eliminated something called phase three, the phase three trial, which costs on average a couple of hundred million dollars to each company.

37:26 Drew Drug companies love that.

37:27 Bob Guccione Jr. Absolutely.

37:27 Drew But the public...

37:28 Bob Guccione Jr. Now they've eliminated... Let me just explain it, because I don't want to sound like a nutcase to you listening. The way it was explained to me was now that they've eliminated the most expensive part of the trial, they can bring a drug to market for 40% less than it used to cost them, and they're charging you more, all of a sudden it's massively profitable.

37:45 Drew But wouldn't you if you were the drug company?

37:49 Bob Guccione Jr. No, I'd like to think I'd have more morality than that.

37:50 Drew No, it's what they're being asked to do. No, no, no.

37:53 Bob Guccione Jr. Thank you Adam, slap me again, please, because I was getting dizzy.

37:57 Drew Bob, understand something, they're being asked to do this. They're being asked to bring something to market as fast as possible.

38:03 Adam All right, Drew, hold on, you and Bob got to finish this part of the commercial. That's all right.

38:08 Drew I always end up wanting to hug Bob after our discussion.

38:11 Bob Guccione Jr. And I you.

38:12 Adam Easy, easy, I'll turn a hose on you.

38:14 Bob Guccione Jr. See, he hasn't had 37 hours without coming. He's the sight of you and I hugging.

38:19 Drew That's the hose he's talking about.

38:22 Adam At the end of the night, Bob, thanks for coming on the show.

38:26 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, oh.

38:28 Adam All right, we'll be back with calls, I promise, after this.

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39:06 Adam Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Bob Guccione Jr. is our guest tonight. Bob, still in the bathroom? No, he's in the next room. Well, let's bring Bob in the studio if he's over there. He is the editor-in-chief of Gear. Is it editor-in-chief, editor-and-chief? I assume it's and, but it's in, isn't it?

39:32 Drew Yeah.

39:32 Adam It doesn't really make sense, does it?

39:34 Drew I don't know what the origins of that term is.

39:37 Adam Editor-in-chief?

39:38 Drew Yeah, it's like, it's like, what would that be?

39:41 Adam It's like Marshall, Will and Holly on a routine expedition.

39:44 Drew We're trying to figure out where the term editor-in-chief, like in total, he's like overall. Yeah, I don't know where it came from.

39:51 Bob Guccione Jr. You're right, it's just one of the things we accept. I want to accept that editor-in-chief is somehow like a deity.

39:56 Adam Well, you know, what I'll do is I'll make it work. I'll change it to editor-and-chief, because it makes more sense to me.

40:03 Drew How about in residence?

40:04 Bob Guccione Jr. No, he's right. Editor-and-chief usually works.

40:08 Adam Thanks, Bob.

40:09 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, no, you're welcome.

40:10 Drew There would have been something like editor-in-residence at one time.

40:14 Bob Guccione Jr. Editor-in-sane.

40:15 Adam Heather?

40:16 Caller Yes.

40:17 Adam You're 35.

40:18 Caller What's up?

40:18 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes. Well, I guess there's someone who's been a friend since 94. I worked with him then. When I left the area, he was going through a separation in his marriage, which was difficult for him. Tremendously horrible childhood.

40:39 Drew He did or you did?

40:40 Bob Guccione Jr. He did. Uh-huh.

40:41 Drew So you got to rescue him. You're going to make it all good for him.

40:44 Bob Guccione Jr. No, no, no, not at all.

40:46 Adam So what's he doing now?

40:47 Drew Why are you even calling about him when that's not the case?

40:49 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, because he, shortly after that, he was institutionalized for a while.

40:57 Adam He, hold on, he is a guy you worked with seven, eight years ago.

41:02 Bob Guccione Jr. Right.

41:02 Adam All right. And when's the last time you saw him?

41:05 Bob Guccione Jr. Four years ago.

41:06 Adam Okay.

41:07 Bob Guccione Jr. But we've maintained a phone friendship.

41:10 Adam All right. And what is he doing now?

41:13 Bob Guccione Jr. Basically, I guess it started, I mean, he recently had a relapse as well.

41:18 Drew On what?

41:18 Bob Guccione Jr. Several months ago. He was admitted into the psych ward for a shorter time.

41:26 Drew Oh, you don't mean a relapse on drugs. You mean a relapse of his condition.

41:29 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes.

41:29 Drew Okay.

41:30 Bob Guccione Jr. Some sort.

41:30 Drew Is he manic depressive or something?

41:35 Bob Guccione Jr. They've gone through a lot. Manic depressive seems most, they've gone through a lot of diagnoses. At one point it was schizophrenic.

41:42 Adam All right. All right. So the question is, what is he doing right now?

41:46 Bob Guccione Jr. What is he doing now? He sent a wedding, he sent an engagement ring in a card. And he had told me that he had it. And he said he had asked me and I don't remember him asking at all. He asked me to move in with him as support. And I said, no, he's across the country. All right.

42:08 Bob Guccione Jr. He asked you to marry him and you don't remember it?

42:11 Bob Guccione Jr. I don't think he did.

42:12 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, he couldn't have. How would you not remember that?

42:14 Bob Guccione Jr. I wouldn't remember.

42:15 Bob Guccione Jr. Absolutely. He clearly didn't ask you. You wouldn't remember.

42:18 Drew I got the quality of his being in and out of psychiatric hospitals. I'm not understanding the nature of your relationship with him. You haven't seen him in four years.

42:25 Bob Guccione Jr. No.

42:26 Drew You talked to him on the phone?

42:27 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes.

42:29 Adam Why all the concern? Why are you keeping up? You know what I mean? The guy's out of bounds. He's out of sync. He's in and out. You know what I mean? Why do you keep this going with him?

42:42 Bob Guccione Jr. I have other similar... I mean, not like that, but just because I've moved around quite a bit with work with him specifically just as a friend.

42:54 Drew This is back to you fixing him again. You can't let him go.

42:57 Bob Guccione Jr. I can't fix him. I know that.

42:59 Drew No, but his behavior is becoming dangerous.

43:02 Bob Guccione Jr. Right. That's what my parents... He just recently, this past weekend, I guess, phoned my parents. And my parents know about the original ring he sent. And I told him, you know, no, this is coming back.

43:14 Adam Heather, let me just jump in for a second. You are the conductor of chaos. Do you understand me? You're like a lightning rod for chaos. You've kept... Are you a big gal?

43:26 Bob Guccione Jr. No.

43:27 Adam Not an overweight gal?

43:28 Bob Guccione Jr. No, not at all.

43:29 Adam Yeah, Drew thought that. You...

43:32 Drew Well, no, I thought there's some reason you should be socially isolated.

43:34 Adam What you're doing is this is a situation that a healthy person would get away from and not have anything to do with, and you are maintaining it.

43:43 Drew Not only maintaining it, you're massaging it.

43:45 Adam Yes, I'm not making it your fault, except for you got one crazy person and one sane person. You're having a relationship. It's the sane person's fault. The crazy gal will go on for a thousand years.

43:56 Drew Well, it's not that you can't maintain a relationship, but don't allow the disease, don't support the disease. It's the same with addicts. When they're in the disease, that's it. Their behavior has got to stop. And if part of getting it to stop is taking your medication, following up with your treatment team, you got to do that. Then when you're back even again, then you can establish a relationship.

44:14 Adam And everyone who's in a relationship right now, take responsibility for whether it's a work relationship, platonic relationship or love relationship, take responsibility for being there.

44:26 Drew It's interesting. I was over, I was at Larry King's tonight. Dharma and Rick got back together tonight.

44:32 Adam You were at Larry King's tonight?

44:33 Drew It's a long story. But Jesus. Dharma and Rick. Right.

44:37 Adam Who wants to marry?

44:39 Bob Guccione Jr. They got together?

44:39 Drew Well, they had their first meeting, you know, to pull them out of a back room. They had me there to make sure, they were convinced she was going to storm out. They want somebody to sort of fill, fill and discuss what had just happened, you know, after she storms out. But, but the interesting thing is, your career is heading right into the hamper body.

44:58 Bob Guccione Jr. What's interesting is, the guest hosting Larry Kingston, I don't know, my money's on Drew's.

45:02 Adam No way.

45:03 Drew Go ahead. What's interesting though, is she kept going, you've got to take, I take responsibility for everything. This was my fault, you know, this was a mistake on my part. I take responsibility and I think he should too. Right. And I thought to myself, well, it doesn't work that way. You either take responsibility and that's that, right, or you're telling somebody else to take responsibility, yeah, it's not, no, you're not deflecting any of it.

45:26 Adam Right. Well, she's obviously got something up and he, him, if you take a look at that guy's eyes, yeah, I would head for the hills.

45:34 Drew He just doesn't do well on TV, I think is the thing.

45:36 Adam I don't think he'd do, he'd do well anywhere. This guy looks like a max-murder.

45:42 Drew Yeah, that's when he's nervous.

45:43 Bob Guccione Jr. This guy wouldn't even do well online.

45:46 Adam He scares me that Rick, what's his name, Rick Rockwell? Anybody called Rick Rockwell? First of all, he's got a name like one of the Flintstones, you know?

45:55 Bob Guccione Jr. Exactly right. Perfect.

45:57 Adam Rick Rockwell.

45:58 Bob Guccione Jr. Exactly.

45:58 Adam I could just see the episode. Rick Rockwell is coming to town. Bet he loves Rick Rockwell.

46:03 Bob Guccione Jr. Ronnie!

46:06 Adam Aaron?

46:08 Bob Guccione Jr. Hello?

46:08 Adam You're 18, what's up?

46:09 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, he was 15 last time we spoke to him.

46:11 Bob Guccione Jr. They're what?

46:12 Bob Guccione Jr. Oh, okay, different Aaron.

46:13 Bob Guccione Jr. I got a question for Dr. Drew.

46:15 Caller Yeah.

46:16 Bob Guccione Jr. Lately, past couple of years, I've been noticing that I might have a fear of intimacy problem. I know I'm only 18, but, you know, I've had a couple serious relationships. And when I get to that point where she's ready to have sex, I really...

46:32 Drew Oh, you're fear of having sex?

46:33 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

46:34 Drew That's not necessarily fear of intimacy.

46:35 Adam It is for a woman, for a guy, it's fear of sex, right? Because it ain't intimate for guys. It's so true.

46:41 Drew That's true. Right.

46:43 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, no, I just become really scared to the point where I kind of like back off for a couple of days.

46:48 Drew Adam, you have a lot of questioning. When this happens, is there a lot of guilt and shame? Is there some religious element here?

46:54 Bob Guccione Jr. Actually, I'm really not that religious.

46:57 Drew Is your family?

46:58 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, my mother is.

47:00 Bob Guccione Jr. Is it a fear of performance?

47:02 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm sorry?

47:03 Bob Guccione Jr. Is it a performance fear?

47:04 Bob Guccione Jr. No, actually, I'm not afraid of... It's not being afraid of whether or not I'm good at it or a fear of STD. I just can't get myself to do it.

47:14 Drew What is the... Is there a fear associated with anything? Like something is going to happen to me?

47:18 Adam Listen, if you thought you were going to excel at it, wouldn't you be more apt to do it?

47:23 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

47:24 Adam Well, that's what we're saying and that's what Bob is saying.

47:26 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, it's always been my thing. I've always thought 30 years later that I was going to one day excel at it.

47:31 Adam Let me tell you something. Sex is no different than karaoke. When you're young, the first time you hit the stage, your knees are shaking, you don't think you're any good. Then later on in life, you get loaded, you wrestle that mic away, you start belting out.

47:44 Drew You start thinking you're doing good.

47:45 Adam You start thinking you're doing good.

47:47 Bob Guccione Jr. You actually aren't. It doesn't matter.

47:49 Adam You're worse than you were the first time. The point is, now you're drunk and you've got the confidence of 10 men, you wrestle the mic away from the emcee, you roll right into Swear to God by Frankie Avalon. You at least feel good. He's worried. He's got to die then.

48:06 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm not sure we're making Aaron feel any better.

48:08 Adam No. Aaron's got to...

48:09 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm making myself feel better.

48:11 Adam The first X amount of times you have sex as a man is uncomfortable. You can put that off or you can take care of it in high school. However you choose to dress it, you have to dress it. You could put it off to your 40. It'll be just as uncomfortable as you were at 15.

48:25 Drew Best with a relationship.

48:27 Adam Just get someone you know and break them in. Like an old man. We'll be back.

48:51 KQBZ Seattle.

49:06 Adam Yep, it is Loveline, I'm Adam Carolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Bob Guccione Jr. is our guest tonight. He's editor-in-chief.

49:15 Bob Guccione Jr. And happy to be.

49:16 Adam Of Gear Magazine.

49:18 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm a happy editor-in-chief.

49:19 Adam Did you start with Spin Magazine?

49:21 Bob Guccione Jr. Yes, I did.

49:21 Drew And those are your first magazines?

49:22 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

49:23 Adam Sold that for 43 million bucks?

49:25 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I did, yeah.

49:26 Adam Oh, how long was it around before you sold it?

49:28 Bob Guccione Jr. 12 and a half years. I didn't get all 43 million. I mean, I don't want to be believing them now. That's smart.

49:34 Adam No, no, a penny over 40. Did, and then you took that and launched, put that into gear. Yeah. Why change? Why start something else?

49:45 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, it isn't exactly that simple. I mean, I'd been wanting to do something different. I'd done spin for 12 and a half years.

49:51 Drew They call it the road to liquidity.

49:54 Adam Is that what it is?

49:55 Drew Yes, you got to turn your business into...

49:58 Adam And then turn it over every so often.

50:01 Drew When the market wants to buy it, you sell it.

50:04 Adam Yeah, so it's sort of like real estate. Get a house, fix it up, live in it, wait till the market gets good, sell it, and then look around for your next bargain. Fix that up.

50:12 Drew Yes.

50:13 Adam And that's what's going on.

50:15 Bob Guccione Jr. I would like to think my life is slightly more noble, but it probably isn't.

50:21 Adam Do people offer to buy gear?

50:22 Bob Guccione Jr. I have actually had offers already.

50:24 Drew Oh, I'm sure of that.

50:25 Bob Guccione Jr. But not that I want to do it yet. No.

50:28 Adam What's it coming in at? Is it in the neighborhood of spin or is it lower? It's lower in spin.

50:34 Bob Guccione Jr. No. Well, spin was a big success by the time I sold it. It was an entrenched magazine. It had usurped Rolling Stone in the younger end of the market. But gear is on its way. Gear is bigger circulation now than spin was when I sold it. Oh, really? Yeah, gear is 550,000 circulation.

50:51 Adam And in just the...

50:52 Bob Guccione Jr. Bigger than details ever was. Oh, really? Yeah.

50:54 Adam In general publishing, there was all this talk and there's always all this talk. It's like when a satellite came out, it was like, well, that's the end of the movie theater. No one's going anymore. They might as well just turn them in a coin up car, laundries or something. And it didn't happen. And the internet and all this other ways of getting information, reading texts and getting things for free and in real time and all that, that'll be the end of the publishing industry. It's not.

51:23 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, interestingly, if you go back even further, go back to the days of the very first magazines and newspapers.

51:30 Adam We?

51:31 Bob Guccione Jr. Along comes, even before we, he's controlling himself, 37 and a half hours and counting. And he's still intact. But the very first days of publishing, along comes radio. It was going to decimate it. Well, it didn't.

51:48 Caller And it should have.

51:49 Bob Guccione Jr. Because instead of a newspaper, which you had to wait a day for, radio could tell you immediately. Along comes television. Well, that's got to be the end of all of it. Of course it wasn't. And then along comes movies. Well, movies came before television. But along comes videos. Now, that was it. I remember this is when I was a young adult in the early 70s. Along comes video. That was the end of all media. Well, of course it wasn't. Along comes the proliferation of the Internet, cable, massive proliferation of television channels with cable, and so on and so forth. DVDs. You know what? It all expands. It actually feeds each other. It's like a fertile planet. It all feeds. And today, we're doing in our next issue, we're doing an interactive magazine. We've joined forces with a company called Digital Convergence and has a QCAT technology. You know when you go to the supermarket and there's a laser scanner, so everything you buy is scanned and price appears immediately? Some genius took this technology idea and applied it to a barcode on a magazine, on a printed page, and said, well, if you scan this, you go to the website because it's a destination. The barcode is a destination. So you can send it anywhere you want. So this guy puts on ads. So the ads go to their website. So the guy says to me, do you want to be the exclusive men's magazine in the category to carry our technology? I said, sure. But I want to apply to editorial pages. Because I want the listeners, or your listeners, my readers, but I want our readers when they're reading a record review to listen to the music. So we're going to download the music that you're reading the review of. So the new U2 album, you're reading the review, you scan the barcode, you can hear two tracks. So it's fascinating. And then you can extrapolate that. Come September, we'll take you to the Milan fashion shows. You'll be able to scan a barcode in the magazine and see the Milan fashion shows. You'll be able to see movie trailers before the movies come out.

53:40 Adam Wow.

53:40 Bob Guccione Jr. It's just, it's this technology. It's fantastic. So we've made the magazine interactive. And so in an appointment I had earlier today with advertisers, I said, you have to understand I'm not intimidating the internet, I'm marrying it.

53:51 Adam Right.

53:51 Bob Guccione Jr. You know, we're just bringing it together. Print isn't going to go away. Good print isn't going to go away. Bad print, mediocre print, indistinguishable print, of course it'll go away. It's Darwinian.

54:01 Adam And by the way, you know, you can't at least at this point when you're taxing on a jet plane be on the internet or watching cable television. But I do agree with you on that. It's an interesting thing, which is these businesses, the satellite and the printing industry or the publishing industry, movies, DVDs, they haven't canceled each other out. They've created a greater thirst for overall knowledge and entertainment, which is, and then everyone's a winner. Except for me, I've become less interested.

54:36 Drew I don't think you just haven't become more, that's all.

54:39 Adam Oh, is that what it is? Sarah?

54:41 Yes?

54:41 Adam You're 17, what's up?

54:45 Caller I don't know. I feel like I'm going crazy and I keep on getting suicidal thoughts, but I don't want to kill myself. I just don't know what to do because I'm so tired of living with, at my home life and like...

54:58 Adam Okay, hold on, Sarah?

54:59 Drew Turn your radio off.

54:59 Adam I'm going to kill myself if you don't turn that radio down. All right, she did that. She says up on the screen, she's 17, she's run away. She hates her mother. She has nightmares.

55:11 Drew Sarah?

55:12 Caller Yeah?

55:12 Drew Has your mom been abusing you or hitting you, that kind of thing?

55:15 Caller Yeah, she gets up and tries to attack me a lot.

55:18 Drew Because that's kids that run away from home. It's when they run away and stay away when they've been abused. That's it.

55:24 Adam Where are you calling from?

55:26 Caller I'm from Oseal Beach.

55:27 Adam Oh, I see.

55:27 Drew Have you ever been in a psychiatric hospital?

55:28 Adam No, I mean, where?

55:30 Caller I've...

55:32 Adam Are you at home?

55:33 Caller Yeah. Yeah, I just came back like a week ago.

55:36 Drew From a psychiatric hospital?

55:38 Caller No, I've only been in a place once.

55:41 Drew Don't you think it's important to get that properly taken care of with the depression the way it is now?

55:45 Caller I want to get help, but I went to the clinic and they didn't even really talk to me. They just gave me a bunch of pills. I just feel drugged up all the time.

55:57 Drew I suggest you talk to the people that were dealing with your depression. 20% of people with depression die. It's a very serious condition. If you're having suicidal thoughts, that's how serious the situation is now for you.

56:10 Caller I've had them my whole life.

56:12 Drew I understand, but they're kicking up right now. That's the time that you should be supervised. Make sure nothing happens to you.

56:18 Bob Guccione Jr. Let's listen to the problem. She was saying that she goes there and she feels they just give her pills. I mean, that would add to depression. Where do you send somebody who can get some maybe good conversation?

56:30 Drew Well, the problem is when people are in a biological state where they start thinking suicidally, the important thing is to be in a structure environment where they can't because they will.

56:38 Caller Don't kill themselves. It's the thing. I can't find stability anywhere and I just don't know what to do. I'm not really motivated to get a job.

56:50 Adam Listen, your mom is a bust. I'm guessing your dad's not around. What about your friends?

56:58 Caller I only have one.

56:59 Adam What's going on in the background there, Sarah?

57:02 Caller It's the radio.

57:03 Caller Hey, Sarah?

57:04 Caller Yeah?

57:04 Adam Yeah, I don't want to come down on you because of the little suicide thing and stuff, but I'm serious. I will kill myself if you don't turn the goddamn radio down.

57:12 Caller I just did.

57:14 Adam Okay, so is your mom an alcoholic? Is she into drugs?

57:18 Caller She drinks.

57:20 Drew Is that when she's rageful, when she's drinking?

57:23 Caller Just, I don't know, mainly she just tells me how I ruined her life.

57:27 Bob Guccione Jr. Hey, my mother used to tell me that.

57:28 Caller Yeah, how like my dad and me ruined her life.

57:34 Adam All right.

57:34 Bob Guccione Jr. My mother didn't mean it. I think that's the lesson.

57:37 Caller I've just been, I've been leaving home since 13 and just been traveling the country. Hitchhiking everywhere.

57:44 Adam So you don't, you don't have, do you have what you would call a best friend?

57:49 Caller I have a friend that I have phone conversations with, but I feel like I burden him all the time.

57:53 Adam Well, but I'm sure you're not. He's your friend.

57:57 Caller Yeah.

57:58 Adam I mean, do you trust him? Is he in town?

58:00 Caller Yeah, I trust him. He lives really close.

58:02 Drew Could you call him?

58:04 Caller Well, I'm not suicidal at the moment, but it's just like when I sleep, I feel like somebody's grabbing my leg through my blanket or something like I could feel weight and I'll turn around and I start thinking I'm going crazy or something.

58:15 Adam But you know, can you put a lock on your door? Why don't you put a lock on your bedroom door? What's so bizarre about that? Lock it before you go to bed at night.

58:27 Drew So you feel more secure.

58:28 Adam You don't have to worry about your mom pouncing on you.

58:32 Caller I just want a stable environment.

58:35 Adam I understand that, but Sarah, let me just tell you something. You may not find that with your mom in the situation that you're currently in, okay? What you need to do is get through this environment so you can get into a new environment.

58:49 Drew Structure it as best you can.

58:51 Bob Guccione Jr. Hey, you going to college?

58:54 Caller No, I have, I'm still trying to finish the ninth grade. I went back to school.

59:00 Bob Guccione Jr. Ninth? Oh, because you ran away for a while, yeah.

59:02 Adam Hey, listen, Sarah, forget about the education for now. Here, let me explain your priorities in life. A, barrel bolt lock on your door so that when you go to bed at night, you don't have to think about who's stepping through it, okay? B is getting a GED, getting a job. Do you understand? And then getting independent, get a roommate, get a buddy, get a friend and get out on your own. And also, you got to do the counseling for right now to these people.

59:34 Drew Right now, you have to promise that you're not going to hurt yourself. You got to promise us that. You got to call your friend, keep people around you. And if you really feel like you can't contain the impulses, you're going to hurt yourself. You got to get back to the hospital.

59:48 Adam All right. And listen, everybody, I feel bad that your homes are a mess and your parents are wrecks and we hear it night after night after night. And there's at a certain point you have to say, I'm riding off, Mom, I'm riding off, Dad. I'm 17. I'm 18. I'm an adult. I'm going to get a job and I'm going to get out there and make for myself. And it's sad. And it's too bad you don't have that support. There's no there's no alternative. Get another get a friend, get someone who may be in the same situation who wants to get out of the house, get a one bedroom apartment. And that's what I did. Just got a couple of buddies, moved out. You get a one bedroom, you get three futons, and everyone pays 140 bucks a month. And you get some minimum wage, wage piece of ass job, but you're out.

1:00:38 Bob Guccione Jr. Right. You know, life is a gift. And it's a gift given once, not twice. So if you have, you're lucky enough to have your health and you're alive. There's no perfect world. None of us have it perfect. None of us have it blemish free. Just cherish the gift of life. Nobody can to preserve it and extend it and get as Adam says, get out of the bad situation and get into any other situation and just believe that tomorrow can be a better day. Because one day there won't be a tomorrow for all of us. And until that day, keep trying to make it a better tomorrow.

1:01:09 Adam And it's not as tall order as you think. I mean, literally, I just lived in a one bedroom with three guys. The rent was 450 at the time and everyone paid 165 bucks and that was it. I wanted to kill myself. I had no alternative and we just made it work. I didn't have car insurance, I didn't have dental, I didn't have medical, I had a job where I got seven bucks an hour and dug ditches and we all just lived together. That was it. What's the alternative?

1:01:40 Drew You were happier then.

1:01:41 Adam I was.

1:01:42 Bob Guccione Jr. I tell you, we were all happy.

1:01:44 Adam I don't know why.

1:01:45 Bob Guccione Jr. It's so funny. We look back on those days and go, wait, you know, that was simple.

1:01:48 Adam Katie, you're 19. What's up?

1:01:52 Caller Hi.

1:01:53 How are you?

1:01:54 Caller Good.

1:01:56 Caller I have a question and you might be able to answer it, but I think Dr. Drew might have, I don't know. All right.

1:02:03 Adam Go ahead.

1:02:03 Caller I don't have a lot of knowledge.

1:02:06 Caller When I smoke pot, I use a vaporizer or heat gun.

1:02:11 Drew A what?

1:02:12 Adam A heat gun.

1:02:14 Drew What's a heat gun?

1:02:16 Caller A gun.

1:02:17 Drew Turn your radio off, please. Turn your radio off. Sarah, get people to turn their radios off. Sarah?

1:02:25 Caller It wasn't my radio. It was my TV.

1:02:27 Drew All right, the TV.

1:02:27 Caller I didn't turn off my radio, but I was...

1:02:29 Adam All right. Hey, listen, stoner. Do we have to spend 20 minutes getting to the question?

1:02:34 Drew What's a heat gun?

1:02:35 Adam What is a heat gun?

1:02:37 Caller The heat gun is a Makita heat gun.

1:02:41 Adam Oh, yeah, it's for stripping paint. I have one.

1:02:44 Drew You use it to light your pot?

1:02:46 Adam No, I don't smoke weed off it. I burn lead-based paint and get a high off of that.

1:02:50 Drew Okay.

1:02:51 Adam Yeah, I do what it's used for.

1:02:52 Bob Guccione Jr. That's natural.

1:02:53 Adam Yeah.

1:02:54 Caller It's a hot air, and it doesn't combust the pot, and therefore you just get vapors.

1:03:00 Drew Doesn't what the pot?

1:03:01 Bob Guccione Jr. Combust it.

1:03:02 Caller The pot is still green afterwards.

1:03:05 Bob Guccione Jr. Is this like the Martha Stewart of pot? Are we getting it?

1:03:11 Adam Right. She made a lovely-

1:03:12 Bob Guccione Jr. Pot arranging...

1:03:13 Adam .stamps last Christmas. Hey, Katie? I don't understand how that works. I mean, first off, that heat gun will combust something if you hold it close enough or long enough.

1:03:25 Caller You have it on a really low setting, just a little bit past one, and it doesn't.

1:03:30 Drew Oh, wait a minute. It's smoldering then. It may not be flaming, but it's...

1:03:34 Caller No, you don't think that there's any smoke.

1:03:38 Adam No, no. Listen, listen.

1:03:39 Bob Guccione Jr. This is like... This is not a major problem, right?

1:03:41 Adam No, but I'm interested from a scientific standpoint.

1:03:44 Bob Guccione Jr. Here, now he's interested.

1:03:45 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:03:46 Bob Guccione Jr. Here's part and he's interested.

1:03:47 Adam Well, what I mean is, is it's like me saying, I'm going to smoke a cigarette without lighting it. The way I'm going to do it is I'm going to hold it over the stove and heat it up, but not to the point where it catches on fire, just to the point where it heats up enough so that the tobacco vapor is released, and it doesn't make sense.

1:04:04 Caller Okay.

1:04:05 Adam So...

1:04:06 Caller They do sell, like, in magazines for herbal smoking or whatever, that they say vaporizer.

1:04:14 Does that concept make...

1:04:15 Caller Do you guys... Are you familiar with that concept at all?

1:04:18 Drew Well, vapor is water. Okay? That's what a vapor is. It's a colloid.

1:04:23 Caller So, you heat it up with a bubbler.

1:04:26 Drew Where's the water? Where's the water?

1:04:28 Adam All right. So, it never gets to the smoke stage. You suck up the pot vapor. Okay. All right. I'll buy it. I mean, do you get high?

1:04:40 Caller Oh, yeah.

1:04:43 Bob Guccione Jr. I think she's giving us some evidence.

1:04:45 Adam Yes. And does it...

1:04:46 Bob Guccione Jr. Of his wigs.

1:04:48 Adam Does the weed go... Hold on. Does the weed go further that way?

1:04:52 Caller Yeah, it does a lot further.

1:04:53 Drew Are you saying it doesn't smoke?

1:04:55 Caller I've smoked pot for a very long time. If I smoke pot, it wouldn't get me stoned for very long. And if I take a vapor, I can get stoned for like an hour.

1:05:06 Drew And it's... It's... It's not... No smoke produced?

1:05:09 Bob Guccione Jr. Do you realize that all across America, people are taking notes right now.

1:05:12 It's a very white...

1:05:13 Caller It looks like smoke that you blow out. But it's...

1:05:18 Drew That's smoke.

1:05:18 Caller I can't show you the process.

1:05:20 Drew That's smoke, though. It's smoke. Wait, what are we doing?

1:05:23 Adam I don't know.

1:05:24 Drew What does our life come to?

1:05:25 I don't know what is coming.

1:05:27 Drew This chick is burned out on pot and she's...

1:05:29 I'm sort of with her.

1:05:30 Drew And she smolders weed and inhales the smoke, blows out the smoke and then says, well, it's not really smoke.

1:05:36 Adam Yes. What do you exhale? What comes out of your mouth?

1:05:40 Caller I light it. I can't call it smoke. It doesn't taste like smoke.

1:05:45 Adam I know, but you're blowing smoke out of your mouth. You wouldn't blow vapor back out of your mouth.

1:05:51 Drew It gets absorbed.

1:05:52 Adam Right. OK. All right, Katie. Hey, Katie.

1:05:55 Bob Guccione Jr. You can do it on your TV on now.

1:05:56 You can do your pot smoking.

1:05:57 Caller Let me get to my question.

1:05:59 Adam All right. Go. Go.

1:06:00 Caller The reason that I did that was because I was told that it didn't combust and therefore it's pot. It really says it talks the chemicals when it combusts.

1:06:09 Drew No, no, it's not true.

1:06:10 Adam Listen, you're your brain is like roadkill, baby. You've got to slow down. Do you hear me? You don't hear yourself.

1:06:21 Caller And I'm doing very.

1:06:22 Adam Katie, listen, I don't care if you work for NASA. You're practically a retard. I've been talking to you for 20 minutes. And listen, you don't think it affects you, but it does. We've got three guys here who aren't stoned, unfortunately, who hear just how baked you are.

1:06:39 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I'm afraid he's right.

1:06:41 Adam And you've got to start backing off on this. I don't care if you smoke it, vaporize it, or put it up your rectum, you've got to start backing off. If you're getting high, it's affecting you. And you've got to slow down with this. Can you do that, Katie? Sure.

1:06:56 Drew Here's the problem. Thank you. And it's talking about suicide. And the first, marijuana withdrawal is a very strange thing. People get suicidal without getting depressed significantly. They have these very intense suicidal thoughts and they often kill themselves. Really? Yeah, it's very strange. It's just the biology of it.

1:07:10 Bob Guccione Jr. So without depression?

1:07:11 Drew Well, they don't identify as depression. The patients that might get this will say, you know what, funny thing today, I was gonna kill myself. Like matter of fact, like yeah, I had a plan. I was gonna go kill myself. Very flabby, but not like I'm sad. I don't have the energy. It's just, yeah, yeah, I just thought I'd do it.

1:07:26 Bob Guccione Jr. What is the dangerous age for suicide? Is there like a period in life when it's really the most likely?

1:07:31 Drew It definitely is.

1:07:31 Adam Definitely say like 14 to 17 or 14 to 19 or something like that.

1:07:37 Drew There's a pretty steady rate after that.

1:07:40 Adam Cece?

1:07:41 Hello?

1:07:41 Adam You're 20?

1:07:42 Caller Yeah.

1:07:43 Adam What's up?

1:07:44 Caller What are you guys doing?

1:07:46 Drew We're arguing with stoners.

1:07:47 Caller What are you doing?

1:07:48 Bob Guccione Jr. What are you doing?

1:07:49 Caller Taking a bath.

1:07:50 Adam All right. What do you want?

1:07:50 Bob Guccione Jr. Drinking a bud?

1:07:52 Caller Smoking one.

1:07:53 Caller Yeah.

1:07:54 Adam What's up?

1:07:55 Caller What's up?

1:07:56 Adam It's really, it's, it's, it's ether night here on Loveline. Everyone's had a Quaalude and a fifth of Scotch and they're all mellowed out.

1:08:04 Bob Guccione Jr. Except us, we're drinking like water.

1:08:06 Caller Yeah.

1:08:06 Adam What is your question?

1:08:07 Bob Guccione Jr. On Grammy night. Rock and roll is dead.

1:08:11 Caller My problem is, I had this boyfriend a while back who raped me and it was anal rape, so it was like even worse than just rape, you know.

1:08:21 Drew This was a boyfriend?

1:08:22 Caller Yeah.

1:08:23 Drew And he just one night had his way with you, you said no, he kept going?

1:08:27 Caller Yeah.

1:08:28 Drew And had you been having anal sex with him before?

1:08:31 Caller We tried it, I said no, I didn't like it.

1:08:33 Drew So he doesn't want for it this time.

1:08:35 Caller And then after that, he had told me that any chick that goes out and, you know, flaunts her stuff and teases the guy deserves to get raped because that's what she's asking for.

1:08:46 Drew Well, he's all class, this guy.

1:08:48 Adam He does make some points.

1:08:50 Caller All right.

1:08:51 So, all right.

1:08:53 Adam Did you call? Did you call the cops?

1:08:55 Caller No, because I was totally naked and I went and I grabbed the phone. I ran into the kitchen, you know, it's not too late to call them now.

1:09:05 Adam Yeah.

1:09:05 Caller I mean, I thought about calling them, you know, at that moment, you know, I've totally wasted. He's totally wasted. And I thought about it and then I just I couldn't do it.

1:09:14 Bob Guccione Jr. I think you should.

1:09:15 Drew How about do it now?

1:09:17 Caller I don't know if I could.

1:09:18 Drew Why not?

1:09:19 Bob Guccione Jr. You can get up to three years after. Is there a statute of limitations?

1:09:22 Drew I don't think there is. They can't do much about it after a certain period of time, but they can still make the report.

1:09:27 Adam I think it's three years for rape, but it's five for anal. I think they call it another two years. Yeah. Makes sense.

1:09:34 Bob Guccione Jr. I would do it. I'll tell you why. Because number one, you're never going to feel resolved about this. You're never going to feel good about yourself if you don't. And number two, the very least, you're going to scare the wits out of this guy. He's never going to do it to anybody else. And if, in fact, the police do follow it and they find out he's got a patent of doing this, then you get a bad girl off the streets.

1:09:53 Adam Yes. And to continue Bob's point, if you do do it, if you do get this on the skit... Listen, it's important to get everything on everyone's record because the next time he gets popped, they'll look back at this episode and they'll have that much more ammunition in court.

1:10:10 Caller Yeah.

1:10:11 Adam All right.

1:10:11 Caller I feel like an embarrassing...

1:10:13 Drew Yes, it is. It is embarrassing, but...

1:10:15 Bob Guccione Jr. But you know what?

1:10:16 You know what?

1:10:17 Bob Guccione Jr. What he did is wrong.

1:10:18 Yeah.

1:10:19 Caller All right.

1:10:19 Drew And you need to break this cycle of being a victim.

1:10:22 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

1:10:23 Drew And the only way you're gonna do that is by stepping up and asserting something you deserve to assert, which is your rights as a human being and not have to tolerate this.

1:10:31 Caller All right.

1:10:32 Caller Yeah.

1:10:32 Caller All right.

1:10:33 Bob Guccione Jr. Think about it. Think about what we say. Because we say this meaning we're thoughtful and we mean well for you.

1:10:38 Caller All right.

1:10:38 Drew Well, you and I are thoughtful, Bob. Let's be I was I was caddy.

1:10:41 Bob Guccione Jr. I was counting at him in I like him.

1:10:43 Adam I have a master band in 39 hours. I'm going going on and on.

1:10:47 Caller Insane.

1:10:48 Bob Guccione Jr. I actually want to just like be here when he does it.

1:10:51 Caller Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:10:52 Bob Guccione Jr. History.

1:10:52 Drew It always tried to hose us down with it.

1:10:55 Adam It'll be the shot heard around the world.

1:10:57 Bob Guccione Jr. You and I like the rubber sheets now, please.

1:10:59 Adam You should hear what is a tantamount to a sonic boom about the moon tomorrow.

1:11:05 Drew Is that the space shuttle landing or is that Adam?

1:11:07 Adam It could be the one and you'll feel a very strong like a back draft like after the atomic bomb. If you're, you know, yeah, you'll feel you'll be sucked backwards into my vortex, which is your code for anus. All right.

1:11:20 Bob Guccione Jr. I do not want to be sucked into your vortex.

1:11:23 Adam I think I think it's going to I'm going to go so hard that I'm going to create a vacuum in my anus that will actually suck my pants up my ass as the semen leaves my penis. Is that possible, Drew? If I have a powerful orgasm, of course it is. Okay. See, I'm a man of science. Bob Guccione Jr is here. We'll take a break. We'll be back after this.

1:12:00 Caller You're listening to Loveline on Outrageous Talk Radio, 100.7 The Buzz.

1:12:15 Adam Yep, there we go.

1:12:17 It is Loveline.

1:12:18 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-

1:12:22 Bob Guccione Jr. Dr. Drew on drums?

1:12:24 Drew Just me.

1:12:25 Bob Guccione Jr. I'm on bass.

1:12:25 Adam Bob Guccione on bass. I'm on lead air guitar. Phone number 1-800-L-A-V-E-1-9-1. All right, I'll tell you what we should do, guys. Let's get some of these calls. Let's get through some calls.

1:12:35 Bob Guccione Jr. Let's go, let's go.

1:12:36 Adam I'm having trouble tonight. I don't know what it is. Everyone's got their radio up. Everyone's on a quailude.

1:12:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Is that my mom on Line 3?

1:12:44 Adam Mike?

1:12:45 Caller Yeah.

1:12:46 Bob Guccione Jr. No, Mike's not my mom.

1:12:47 Adam You're 25.

1:12:48 Bob Guccione Jr. I was mistaken.

1:12:50 Adam You got lots of pain during ejaculation.

1:12:53 Caller Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:12:55 Adam You got to kill yourself.

1:12:56 Drew You what?

1:12:58 Bob Guccione Jr. That's not advice, by the way. That was just a sort of rhetorical statement.

1:13:01 Caller It started about two years ago. By the way, hi, Drew. Just started about two years ago. I find that if I eat any large amounts of sugar or ice cream, anything, I have sex with my wife and when I try to ejaculate, I get cramps at the base of my penis and it's really hard to ejaculate and that hurts.

1:13:19 Drew When you eat ice cream?

1:13:22 Caller Any sugar. If I drink too much pop or eat too much candy or anything, I find that if I get too much sugar in my system.

1:13:28 Adam I don't know. We don't buy it. Not that you're lying, but sugar really doesn't do anything. Everyone talks about having a sugar high and being hyperactive and sugar rush and can't concentrate and everything. It's really nonsense.

1:13:42 Drew There's a famous paper called The Case of the Superstitious Pigeon and what they did was the skinner sent down food to the pigeon and the pigeon started learning that if it started doing behaviors it would get the food and then it started sending the food randomly and the pigeons developed elaborate rituals to try to get the food to come down yet it was just being dropped by a machine randomly and what humans do is they try to make sense of things they don't understand and try to associate it with things that have no real association.

1:14:12 Bob Guccione Jr. It's fascinating.

1:14:14 Drew What's that?

1:14:15 Caller What do you think this could be then?

1:14:16 Drew I think it needs to be evaluated. I think it could be a hundred different things. I think Epididymitis. Could be Epididymitis, Prostatitis, those things are the more common causes of that kind of thing. It could be nothing. Some people just get post-ejaculatory pain.

1:14:29 Adam Now should we go to an MD or a pastry chef?

1:14:32 Drew Go to the...

1:14:34 Bob Guccione Jr. Why am I laughing?

1:14:36 Drew Go to a urologist.

1:14:37 Bob Guccione Jr. This man has pain in his penis and I'm laughing. I feel terrible. I don't have pain in my penis. I'm one of the lucky ones.

1:14:43 Adam I know.

1:14:43 Bob Guccione Jr. And I like ice cream.

1:14:44 Adam Listen, I have not yet to have pain in my penis and I can't play stars.

1:14:51 Drew Well, you're looking forward to pain in your penis, right?

1:14:53 Bob Guccione Jr. I reward my penis with ice cream. Do you? Yeah. Because it's good to me.

1:14:56 Adam It's been good. I'm in a lollipop with the dentist. Destiny.

1:15:02 Drew Destiny 15. What's up?

1:15:03 Caller Nothing. I'm just kind of curious. My cousin and I, well, we have a girl on my floor. She's 15. She's moved in. My cousin lives with me. And we know it's like really odd behaviors. Like she's 15. She comes over to play with my little five-year-old sister. She likes to play Barbies. And like she, we went in her room and she's got like a big doll house and like a bunch of-

1:15:28 Adam She's how old?

1:15:29 Caller 15.

1:15:29 Adam All right. All right. So who cares?

1:15:31 Drew Well, I mean, how's her family?

1:15:34 Caller Her family's really strange. Her little brother comes into our house and like hides and we'll find him just staring at us.

1:15:40 Caller Yeesh.

1:15:41 Adam Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Do you live with the Jacksons?

1:15:44 Adam Yeah.

1:15:45 Drew The Adams family.

1:15:46 Adam God knows what's going on over there, but do you feel that either one of these kids pose a threat to you?

1:15:53 Caller No, they're just really weird. Like, and the daughter is like really controlling. The daughter. Like around her parents. She'll be like, she'll be a total brat. But when she comes over to my house in front of my parents, she acts like a little angel.

1:16:05 Adam All right. Hey, you listening to Destiny? She sounds like she's about 11 herself.

1:16:08 Drew Yeah, there's a little bit of that here.

1:16:09 Adam Destiny, your loveline caller is 15. You're supposed to be having affairs with 40 year old men and chain smoking. Don't worry about it.

1:16:16 Bob Guccione Jr. Do you have any of those?

1:16:18 Adam What's up with your life? Nothing. No kidding. You got a whole rear window thing going on with your 15 year old neighbor. You got to, listen, you don't like this girl. She gives you the creeps. Don't hang out with her. All right. Focus on your boyfriend and your school and cheerleading practice and all that stuff.

1:16:38 Drew There's something going on over there, but who knows what? Who knows? There's so many different reasons for that.

1:16:43 Adam Listen, everybody, I don't want to sound like an ugly American, but if there's somebody who makes the hair in the back of your neck stand up, just go the other side, walk on the other side of the street. Just stay out of there. I really believe, think about it for a second, 90% of all trouble in life could be avoided by just walking on the other side of the street. You got some neighbor that creeps you out a little bit? You do what I do. You pull up the driveway, you see he's standing out front, you back out again and pretend like you forgot something. You know what I mean? You just keep it. I've stood in my garage until my neighbor went back in the house and then walked out. You just avoid them. Avoid them like the plague. You'll never get to that point where you guys are sitting around drunk and he's proud of you with something. You'll never get to that next level. That's the point. It's like girls, you know how you treated me in high school and you didn't want me to even ask you on the date? That's how you have to do it. Right? And Drew, you know women can do that.

1:17:43 Drew Oh, yes.

1:17:43 Adam They can nip you even before you ask.

1:17:46 Bob Guccione Jr. They can nip you before you meet them.

1:17:48 Adam Right.

1:17:48 Bob Guccione Jr. I've had that.

1:17:49 Adam Yeah.

1:17:50 Caller Michelle?

1:17:51 Caller Hi, Adam. Hi, Drew. How are you?

1:17:53 Adam You're 24. Say hi to Bob Guccione Jr. too.

1:17:56 Bob Guccione Jr. Hi. How are you?

1:17:57 Caller I'm okay. I've been trying to reach you guys for a long time, but I finally got through tonight. I can't believe it. It was like a miracle.

1:18:03 Adam Well, good. Let's not squander it.

1:18:05 Caller Okay. I've got a lot of problems. I'm on medication, a couple of different kinds. I'm very obsessed. I have OCD, and I live in government supported housing.

1:18:17 Drew Because you're disabled by the OCD.

1:18:19 Caller Right.

1:18:20 Drew And what manifestations did you have of that?

1:18:24 Caller Acting out behavior. Like what? Harassing guys, stalking guys, professors in college. I can't, just like most dates with guys, but also with shopping. I'm declaring bankruptcy because I can't pay my bills and...

1:18:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Be careful about declaring bankruptcy.

1:18:44 Caller Well, I have a lawyer, but it's already being set up and everything. It's all...

1:18:47 Bob Guccione Jr. Try not to do that. Where's your...

1:18:49 Caller I have no other choice.

1:18:50 Drew What about your family? Where have they been in all this?

1:18:52 Caller My father, I hate him. I wish he was dead. He is horrible mentally, emotionally abusive.

1:18:58 Drew Why? What does he do?

1:19:02 Caller Well, I wouldn't have gone to college, NYU, if he had paid for it. He's very wealthy and he's denied me money my whole life because he thinks my mother and I are like the same person because they got divorced when I was six. And then he just got remarried to a much younger woman and we never got along, right? And he just treated me very badly. Like I was an outcast and now his whole family disowned me and he doesn't even talk to me.

1:19:27 Drew So this is not just OCD. OCD is one feature of a more complex problem.

1:19:32 Caller Right.

1:19:33 Drew Have you ever been given a diagnosis of a personality?

1:19:35 Bob Guccione Jr. This is OCD.

1:19:35 Drew I've been diagnosed with borderline personality.

1:19:39 Caller I haven't diagnosed borderline manic depressive.

1:19:42 Drew So you're borderline. So you know what that means, right?

1:19:44 Caller Right. I do.

1:19:45 Drew So this is about borderline personality, Michelle.

1:19:47 Caller I've been in a day program for two years and nothing seems to help. Like right now, I'm like obsessed with celebrities. Like I've like, for example, like with the magazine gear, you know, like I went looking for it. To find the article with Craig Kilborn, because I like love Craig Kilborn and he's like God. And I like obsessed so much about guys and I have never had a relationship with a guy.

1:20:09 Adam So it's OCD and low self-esteem.

1:20:11 Caller I'm not sure.

1:20:12 Adam You've got to find a bigger celebrity in Kilborn.

1:20:14 Caller No, I really wouldn't.

1:20:15 Bob Guccione Jr. No, Craig's cool. Craig's my friend.

1:20:17 Adam He's a nice guy, but come on, let's step it up.

1:20:20 Caller No, Adam, like same thing with you.

1:20:21 Adam Oh, yeah, now you're talking.

1:20:22 Caller No, I would like, I'm obsessed with love. I want to be famous. I can sing and I can act it to classes, but I want to be famous. I'm like...

1:20:29 Adam All right, listen, listen. Are you taking your medication?

1:20:32 Caller Yeah.

1:20:32 Adam Okay. And do you think that's good or do you think you may need a little more?

1:20:37 Caller No, I'm increasing. I'm taking Seroquel now and I've gotten up. I don't know, Drew, if you know about, it's like if you think it will help me, but...

1:20:44 Drew Seroquel's fine. What else?

1:20:45 Caller I'm taking Prozac, which is the only thing that's ever helped with my OCD with my...

1:20:49 Drew Fine. Do you do hair pulling and all kind of stuff?

1:20:51 Caller No.

1:20:52 Drew Okay, go ahead.

1:20:53 Caller Shopping.

1:20:53 Drew Seroquel, Prozac?

1:20:55 Caller Clonopin.

1:20:56 Drew Clonopin.

1:20:56 Caller Okay.

1:20:57 Drew All right.

1:20:57 Adam Hey, Michelle? Yeah. Let me make this assessment. Unfortunately, you sound like there's a high IQ mind trapped inside all of that chaos in your skull.

1:21:07 Caller Well, I mean, I did really well in school. I'm really, I'm smart.

1:21:10 Adam Right. And so it's a shame for you to waste your life being under the thumb of these afflictions. Yeah. So stay with your medication, stay with your treatments, stay with your doctors, and just stay with it. Stay with the therapy and it's going to be a job for you.

1:21:27 Caller It's like not helping. I've been doing it for such a long time.

1:21:29 Adam It's not getting anywhere. First off, God knows what kind of shape you'd be in. You'd probably be in Kilbourne's backyard right now, if you weren't on this medication.

1:21:38 Bob Guccione Jr. She named you right off the...

1:21:39 Adam And then over to my house.

1:21:41 Drew Yeah. But that'd be bad for her.

1:21:43 Caller I write him letters, so I write letters. I'm like, I'm really up for it.

1:21:45 Caller All right. All right.

1:21:46 Adam But listen, hey, Michelle. Yeah. Here's what I want to say. And I've talked about this before. I've been high on mushrooms a few times. I've had thoughts about doing things, like the dog turned into a butterfly or something. Yeah. But I knew I was high on mushrooms, so I didn't act on it. Like I knew the dog was really a dog.

1:22:05 Caller I've never been high before. I never ever did that.

1:22:06 Adam I know, but here's my point. You understand you have a condition.

1:22:11 Caller I don't want to have it.

1:22:12 Adam I know you don't want to have it, but when you sit down to write Craig Kilburn a letter, why don't you stop? Why don't you go, that's my condition, propelling me, compelling me to do it? You know what I'm saying?

1:22:23 Caller He'll actually respond.

1:22:23 Caller I want to believe it.

1:22:24 Adam He ain't doing it.

1:22:26 Caller Why?

1:22:27 Adam Because he's an a-hole. I don't care what Gio says.

1:22:30 Caller No, he's not an a-hole.

1:22:31 Drew He's busy.

1:22:32 Adam He's busy.

1:22:33 Bob Guccione Jr. He gets a lot of letters like that. Yeah.

1:22:35 Drew And he never sees all those letters. That's right.

1:22:37 Bob Guccione Jr. He won't even see them. Adam's point is right. You know it's obsessive. Why do it? Yeah.

1:22:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Because I feel so desperate. I feel so lonely.

1:22:44 Bob Guccione Jr. Why?

1:22:44 Adam Well, stop yourself.

1:22:46 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

1:22:47 Bob Guccione Jr. But why?

1:22:48 Caller I don't know. I have a horrible life.

1:22:50 Bob Guccione Jr. But you don't have such a horrible life. I bet you don't have such a horrible life.

1:22:54 Caller I do. I'm too smart for my own good.

1:22:56 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, first of all, you said to me, you're very smart. That's great. Most people aren't very smart.

1:23:00 Caller Yeah, but I'm very smart, but I'm I'm like lonely and depressed all the time.

1:23:03 Drew But you've said you need friends and that is the case. Yes. You notice that you don't have friends. That's why you feel lonely and depressed. So why don't you work on solving that one?

1:23:11 Adam Everybody, I'm telling you, the most underrated thing in life is a good group of friends.

1:23:16 Drew Oh yeah.

1:23:16 Adam These people can literally save your life. These people can put a roof over your head in times of need. These people can get you jobs. These people can get you laid. People who go through life without a good set of friends, I'd rather go through life without my legs. I really would. I don't understand why they would do this. Everyone, you should all have good friends.

1:23:36 Bob Guccione Jr. The best thing about friends is they teach you not alone.

1:23:39 Adam Right.

1:23:40 Bob Guccione Jr. They support the fact you're not alone. I mean, every time, I mean, we're all of us adults. The three of us sitting in this room.

1:23:48 Drew Look at me when you're talking.

1:23:49 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, okay.

1:23:50 Caller Exactly.

1:23:51 Bob Guccione Jr. Well, again, I'm being kind. I'm a guest.

1:23:53 Adam Check off count 40 hours.

1:23:56 Caller 40 hours.

1:23:56 Bob Guccione Jr. You heard it. Even I'm beginning to notice how long it's been since I did it. But, you know, we still get depressed, right? The three of us. Oh, yeah. I have my sad days. I have my bum out days. But you kind of got to live with it. Somebody very wise, Jonathan Miller, the playwright once said, depression is like bad weather. You have to sort of let it pass. You have to stand under an awning and wait for it to pass. There's not much you can do about it. Now I understand. I'm not being flippant here. There are people that are very clinical and chemically. It's chemical proportions and of course, it's beyond waiting for the rain to pass. But I do think, in the case of this young lady, that she's got a lot to be thankful for. I hear it in her voice. She's got some breeding. She's probably got a roof over her head. She's smart. She's 24. I gotta tell you, there's a point in your life when you're gonna have to say, you know what, my dad didn't give me money for college. Next.

1:24:47 Drew Well, it's interesting. Whether she could turn around.

1:24:49 Bob Guccione Jr. We're not talking about the cause of our rape camp here.

1:24:51 Drew But she sees her intelligence as a liability, because her thing is, I'm so intelligent, I'm so talented, and yet I'm living in government housing, and I'm too impaired, psychiatrically, to get a job. Therefore, I'm really screwed. As opposed to turning around and saying, hey, maybe I could put one foot in front of the other.

1:25:08 Adam We gotta take a break. Everybody, it is up to you to get your ass together. And for some people, it's easy. And for some of you, who've called this show tonight, it's hard. But either way, you're doing it. I don't care if you have to hike a block or hike 10 miles, you gotta hike.

1:25:26 Bob Guccione Jr. It's true.

1:25:27 Adam We'll be back. It's Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, that is Dr. Drew over there, Bob Guccione Jr is our guest tonight, editor in chief of Gear Magazine, and...

1:26:12 Bob Guccione Jr. You know, Craig Kilborn is gonna guest edit the magazine.

1:26:14 Drew Wow.

1:26:15 Bob Guccione Jr. Is he? Yeah.

1:26:16 Drew How interesting.

1:26:17 Adam I was bussing his balls a little, but I like Kilborn.

1:26:20 Bob Guccione Jr. He's a good guy.

1:26:20 Adam Oh, yes.

1:26:21 Bob Guccione Jr. And then, you know, I'm very excited he's gonna do it, but I think you blew your chance for the big cover story on that issue. I'm not gonna say anything, but, you know, these people have monitors.

1:26:33 Adam I may have, I may have, but he knows I like him.

1:26:36 Bob Guccione Jr. There's always another issue.

1:26:37 Adam And I've done his show quite a few times, and I always have a good time. Tiffany?

1:26:44 Drew Tiffany?

1:26:45 Caller Yes, I'm here. I'm sorry. What's up? My question is that I've been with my boyfriend for about five years now, and in the beginning, making love was very, very often. Now it's about every maybe twice a month.

1:27:03 Drew How long have you been with him?

1:27:04 Adam Five years.

1:27:05 Drew Five years? Since you were 14?

1:27:07 Adam How old is he?

1:27:09 Caller He's 28 now.

1:27:10 Drew Yeah, just for comedy.

1:27:12 Adam Wow, he's 28.

1:27:13 Drew So he was 22 when you were 14?

1:27:16 Caller You can say that.

1:27:18 Adam Well, he was, right?

1:27:20 Caller Yeah, I'm not doing the math, but yeah.

1:27:22 Adam Yeah, well, it ain't hard to do. He is fundamentally flawed.

1:27:28 Bob Guccione Jr. Wait, I'm still doing math.

1:27:29 Drew He was 24, 23, 23 when he was shooting.

1:27:31 Adam 23 when you were 14.

1:27:33 Drew A 23 year old with a 14 year old. Think about that. That doesn't bother you, Tiffany, now?

1:27:39 Caller No, I mean, because I'm in love.

1:27:42 Drew Wait a minute. I forget. That is an unacceptable statement on this show. I'm sorry to say it's pathetic, but it's true. That he is a 23 year old. You think about that, who was dating with, and God knows, probably sleeping with a 14 year old.

1:27:57 Caller No, he wasn't sleeping with a 14 year old.

1:27:59 Bob Guccione Jr. You said you had sex a lot in the beginning.

1:28:01 Caller I didn't have sex with him until I was 16.

1:28:05 Adam Okay, so you take-

1:28:06 Caller I've been with him five years now.

1:28:07 Adam You were together for a couple of years before he had sex.

1:28:10 Caller Yes.

1:28:11 Adam Makes him even more flawed in my book.

1:28:13 Drew Yeah, so he was 25 sleeping with a 16 year old. You think about that. You're 18 now. Would you be with a 16 year old?

1:28:18 Caller No, I'm 19 now.

1:28:19 Drew All right, you're 19. Would you be with a 16 year old? Think about the 25 year old that would be with a 16 year old. And part of the reason he may not be attracted anymore is you're not a young teenager anymore.

1:28:30 Adam Is it him that's doing this?

1:28:32 Caller Yeah.

1:28:33 Adam Okay, have you asked him why?

1:28:36 Caller Yeah, he says because he's working.

1:28:39 Adam All right, well at least he's got a gig. And are you guys living together?

1:28:44 Caller We used to.

1:28:45 Adam Do you have any children?

1:28:47 Caller One.

1:28:48 Caller Do you have children?

1:28:49 Caller Do you have a child between you two?

1:28:51 Caller A year and a half.

1:28:52 Drew The people of marriage is a commitment of this country now. See, they don't bother with marriage.

1:28:55 Adam All right, and where do you think this relationship is heading? Do you want to get married?

1:29:01 Caller Yeah.

1:29:01 Adam You do. And does he want to get married?

1:29:04 Caller Yes.

1:29:05 Adam Why aren't you married then?

1:29:09 Caller It just didn't came up. I have a lot of, you know, I have a lot of goals before I want to get married.

1:29:15 Adam All right, what are those goals? I'm very curious.

1:29:19 Caller Well, I want to finish. I want to go back to college, actually.

1:29:23 Adam Okay. Are you pursuing that now?

1:29:27 Caller When the money comes along, I will.

1:29:29 Adam Okay. Hey, Tiffany. Yes. I don't want to, I don't want to screw with your goals. Here's all I'm saying. I would like your goal to be A, not have any more kids.

1:29:39 Caller Oh, I'm not. Don't worry about that.

1:29:41 Adam Okay. B, take care of the one that you currently have.

1:29:45 Caller I do very well.

1:29:47 Adam Do you know the child's name?

1:29:48 Caller Her name is Kaylin.

1:29:49 Adam Alright. Lucky guess. And B and C, create a stable environment for the child by working things out with this guy, possibly marrying him, although I don't trust this guy as far as I can kick him.

1:30:03 Drew This guy likes young teenagers, Adam.

1:30:06 Adam Yes.

1:30:06 Drew That's why he's not having sex anymore.

1:30:08 Adam Tiffany, this guy is really fundamentally flawed and I really think you should reconsider your relationship with him.

1:30:19 Drew Okay.

1:30:19 Adam Okay, baby. Listen, Tiffany, glad we could help. I'm really, I do worry about this guy and I worry about you and your child.

1:30:28 Caller I mean, but he's a great father. He's a great supporter.

1:30:31 Adam Okay. Well, then talk to him. Then say to him, hey, listen, we're not being intimate that often anymore. What's up? Let's talk about it. Let's work it out. Can you do that?

1:30:41 Drew Yeah.

1:30:41 Caller And I've said that. And I've said, you know, I don't want to go and I don't want to cheat on you.

1:30:46 Drew Tiffany, Tiffany, don't say it that way. Tiffany, when you're hostile with a guy, the penis doesn't get hard. When you're angry, it doesn't work.

1:30:54 Adam Just, just tell him you'd like to be more intimate with him and see what he says. All right.

1:31:00 Drew But the anger and the hostility, he ain't going to work. It won't function. That's just the way men are. That's right.

1:31:06 Adam I bet he tells her, listen, put on this checkered skirt, this white blouse, and can we put those fake braces on your teeth? Really, really gives me an erection. Oh, people, please. She's 14, the guy's 23. I mean, come on, what a piece of work. I'm with you on this, Drew.

1:31:23 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah, I'm with you.

1:31:24 Adam I think Tiffany-

1:31:24 Bob Guccione Jr. Just file this under, he should have known better.

1:31:26 Adam Tiffany's a million miles away from it. And I, you guys want to know what's going on with this country? Tiffany's mama.

1:31:35 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah.

1:31:35 Adam She is, she is God, Mother Teresa, and the President and the Surgeon General to this one and a half year old. That's it. That's the universe. To us, it's the world's most screwed up 19 year old. To this one and a half year old, it is everything.

1:31:53 Bob Guccione Jr. It is the universe.

1:31:54 Adam Right. And think about, think about what it's like having Tiffany as your universe. That, that's gonna create some problems. Jim? You're 36. What's up?

1:32:06 Bob Guccione Jr. Adam, you are great. And I actually have a question for Dr. Drew.

1:32:10 Adam Thanks.

1:32:11 Drew Okay.

1:32:12 Bob Guccione Jr. Even though Adam's great?

1:32:14 Adam Yeah.

1:32:14 Bob Guccione Jr. He cracks my ass, man.

1:32:15 Drew All right, Jim. What's up?

1:32:17 Thanks.

1:32:18 Drew Fracking ass in the same sentence.

1:32:21 Bob Guccione Jr. He's been celibate for many hours. Be careful.

1:32:23 Adam Yes.

1:32:24 Bob Guccione Jr. It sounds like it.

1:32:25 Adam What's up, Jim?

1:32:26 Bob Guccione Jr. My girlfriend is a traveling nurse and she's working in Atlanta and she got a needle stick. She works in the ER from a guy who is a heroin addict and she's not going to know for about a week, I guess, the results of his test for HIV. What are the implications for us?

1:32:52 Caller How reliable is that test?

1:32:55 Caller That is very reliable.

1:32:57 Adam Which one is she getting?

1:32:58 Caller Well, they're testing his blood first, I guess.

1:33:04 Drew Here's the bigger concern is hepatitis C.

1:33:06 Caller Okay.

1:33:06 Drew Which is extremely in common. Has she had the hepatitis B vaccine?

1:33:10 Bob Guccione Jr. I, you know, I don't know.

1:33:12 Drew Did she, did they give her anything after the needle stick?

1:33:15 Bob Guccione Jr. No.

1:33:15 Drew No, no vaccines, no, no vaccine.

1:33:18 Bob Guccione Jr. They did a report and I guess there's an immunologist going to look at the whole situation as a nurse.

1:33:27 Adam Don't they give you that vaccination?

1:33:28 Drew Well, she's probably, she must have had hepatitis B vaccine. It should be up to date, but hepatitis C is the bigger issue. That's the one that's so common right now. And it's contagious, but HIV is not typically transmitted this way.

1:33:40 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah. To make you feel better. And I'm not as expert on this as Drew, but from my understanding, there are tens of thousands of needle stick incidences a year in hospitals. And the disease, the transmission of actual diseases is so minimal as to be statistically non-existent. And with AIDS, for instance, there have been several thousand, maybe tens of thousands of needle stick incidents. And there's only one case of a nurse claiming she got AIDS. She did apparently get HIV, and it may have been through that needle stick, but she went on antivirals and got very sick from that. One, even if she was transmitted, the odds are very, very, very light.

1:34:27 Adam Alright, so...

1:34:28 Bob Guccione Jr. That's the good news.

1:34:29 Adam Don't fret. Lily?

1:34:31 Caller Hi.

1:34:31 Adam You're 15. You're interested in a 24-year-old co-worker?

1:34:35 Caller Yeah.

1:34:36 Adam Yeah. What kind of place you work at?

1:34:38 Caller It's telemarketing.

1:34:39 Adam I see.

1:34:40 Drew Telemarketing?

1:34:41 Bob Guccione Jr. Yeah. What are you doing there at 15?

1:34:44 Caller I'm sorry?

1:34:45 Bob Guccione Jr. What are you doing there at 15?

1:34:46 Drew What are you selling?

1:34:47 Caller Actually, we don't have to sell anything. It's surveys and stuff like that.

1:34:51 Adam I see.

1:34:51 Bob Guccione Jr. So this is a part-time job for you?

1:34:53 Or you're out of school?

1:34:54 Caller No. I like have to pay bills and all that.

1:34:56 Drew This voice doesn't...

1:34:58 Adam Oh, boy.

1:34:58 Caller Yeah.

1:34:58 Adam You got that little girl voice. Ever molested?

1:35:01 Caller No. Actually, I wasn't.

1:35:02 Adam No? Never an alcoholic? Dad? No. You're there?

1:35:07 Caller Yeah, I'm here.

1:35:08 Adam No physical abuse?

1:35:09 Caller Yeah. Kind of, sort of. But I'm out of the house, you know.

1:35:13 Drew Yeah, but you're...

1:35:14 Caller I've got my life together. I'm about to graduate.

1:35:16 Adam You're out of the house at 15?

1:35:17 Caller Yeah.

1:35:18 Bob Guccione Jr. So you're not going to school? You're out of school and everything?

1:35:20 Caller Well, I'm going to be in a couple months. I did home school.

1:35:23 Adam Okay.

1:35:24 Caller So I caught up on everything. But what I wanted to know, you know, like I haven't done anything with them. I haven't even gone out with them.

1:35:31 Adam Good. You're not going to?

1:35:33 Caller Yeah.

1:35:33 Adam Listen to me, Lily.

1:35:34 Drew He's going to be abusive.

1:35:36 Adam Don't hook up with this guy. You're 15. And I know you're living the life of an adult, but your vagina is only 15.

1:35:42 Bob Guccione Jr. Okay.

1:35:43 Adam Let's not rush it to an early age.

1:35:45 Bob Guccione Jr. And your psyche is 15.

1:35:46 Adam Right.

1:35:47 Bob Guccione Jr. Right.

1:35:47 Drew No, our psyche is six.

1:35:48 Adam Right. Listen to her voice.

1:35:50 Drew Okay.

1:35:50 Adam All right. Slow down. You're doing great. Don't veer from the course now.

1:35:54 Drew Right. Okay.

1:35:55 Adam Into the, into the intercourse. You understand? You're gonna get into trouble.

1:35:58 Bob Guccione Jr. Let's comment on the 24 year old. Who wants to be with a 15 year old?

1:36:01 Drew There are again. There are lots of them. Lots of them.

1:36:03 Adam Yes. Listen, ladies, all fundamentally flawed. Understand that.

1:36:07 Drew Period.

1:36:08 Adam We'll be back.

1:36:16 Loveline, I'll be right back.

1:36:28 Adam Thank you for being here and being so compelling and forthright. Always an interesting time and come back anytime.

1:36:36 Bob Guccione Jr. Thanks, guys.

1:36:37 I'd love to.

1:36:38 Bob Guccione Jr. I have fun with this.

1:36:39 Adam We do appreciate you being here. Again, gear, everyone. You want to read a good magazine, that's the one to read. And until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:36:49 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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Wednesday, February 21, 2001