Episode 1000754887079

6:53 This is Outrageous.

6:55 Outrageous.

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7:12 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised. Loveline, coast to coast.

7:24 Voiceover Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, this is Dr. Drew over there, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew, board certified physician.

7:34 Adam Hey, get it together. Let's just get started here.

7:37 Drew Come on, there we go. There we go. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. All right, there, Drew.

7:49 Drew Yeah.

7:49 Yeah. Well, that's the whole...

7:51 Drew Let me explain life to everybody. It's important to go on autopilot.

7:54 Right.

7:56 Drew That's... You know when you get behind the wheel of a rental car?

7:59 Yeah.

7:59 Drew What a pain in the ass it is? You think you're turning the lights on, you turn the wipers on, you don't know how to adjust the rear view.

8:06 Adam Yeah, but...

8:07 Drew But you get in your car, you could drive with a 12-pack of Schlitz tall boys in you, doing 80 all the way from the airport, not remember it when you get home, but no problem.

8:18 Adam You're doing autopilot well.

8:19 Drew Right, right. That's what you try to do in radio.

8:22 Adam Yeah, well. Right.

8:24 Drew You try to get all that stuff down where you don't have to think. Right. Dr. Drew's a more solid friend than you ever have to finish.

8:33 Adam That's right.

8:34 Drew Don't have to focus. Watch this. I won't even think on this next call. Megan, you're 18th. Finish call Loveline, which prompt?

8:42 I don't really have a problem, but first I have to say, Adam, you have to call me baby. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right.

8:47 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

8:49 Okay. Actually, I was just wondering, I was listening to the radio out here a couple of months ago, and I was wondering, is there an ointment that makes your orgasms better? No.

9:05 Adam No way. No way.

9:07 No, because it's that it...

9:10 Adam There's a whole industry now directed at women to try to get them to believe that they can have better orgasms. It could be equivalent to the male penis enlargement.

9:18 Sorry, baby.

9:20 Thank you.

9:20 Drew Sorry, baby. Anderson, get ready with those drops tonight. I might be able to cruise through this whole show without muttering a syllable. You're supposed to rub this on your clitoris?

9:32 Yes.

9:33 And it's supposed to make it more sensitive.

9:37 Adam Do you have orgasms?

9:38 I have trouble.

9:40 Adam Yeah.

9:41 A lot of trouble.

9:42 Adam But you're able to have one?

9:43 Yes.

9:44 Adam And what is the trouble?

9:46 It's just sometimes it's too, it's not too short. It's just my boyfriend just has one before I do.

9:56 Adam Well, how about by yourself?

9:58 No, I can never have one by myself.

10:00 Adam How come?

10:01 I don't know.

10:01 Drew What an appointment.

10:03 Adam Yeah. Again, this is the fact of being able to be emotionally intimate, being able to communicate to your partner what you need and him sort of understanding how he works.

10:11 Oh, we have no problem doing that.

10:13 Adam Yes, you do.

10:15 Oh.

10:15 Adam You do have a problem because it's ending too quickly for you. And you need to be able to go back to him and say, Hey, we got to figure something out here and make this work for me.

10:23 Drew How does he give you the orgasm when he does?

10:27 Um, intercourse.

10:29 Adam When he's able to go along.

10:29 Yeah.

10:30 Drew Good times. Does he go down on you?

10:32 Adam At 18, you know, that's pretty good.

10:33 Drew Oh, way ahead of the game. Does he go down on you?

10:35 Yes, he does.

10:36 Drew Nice.

10:37 Nice. Oh, this is another question.

10:39 Adam Trivectum.

10:40 Usually when he goes down on me, it feels so good. I almost want to pee.

10:44 Adam Well, some women actually do pee.

10:46 Yeah. Well, I spat them before I did one. And I really, I mean, I don't know if I'm stopping myself from having one or...

10:53 Adam You probably are, it sounds like.

10:55 Yeah, because I just, I can't, I don't know if I can just...

10:59 Adam Let it loose, huh?

11:00 Drew Yeah, he goes down on you and it feels so good, you're going to pee. Do you really need the clit juice?

11:06 Adam Yeah, how much better is the ointment going to make it?

11:10 True that.

11:10 Adam All right, you're doing fine. Just figure it out with your boyfriend. Be a little more open and communicative about what it is you need.

11:15 Drew She is way ahead of the curve at 18.

11:17 Adam Way ahead.

11:18 Drew Yep. These kids these days, they want it all, Drew. I'll say that.

11:23 Adam This is the new version of the guy calling him. What's the average size of a penis? I have a penis pump. I have this. I have that. And you tell me the average size is 5.4. You guys are ecstatic.

11:33 Drew I haven't heard about this ointment that girls rub on them. Have you been hearing about this?

11:38 Adam No, but I've been hearing about this growing industry directed at women.

11:42 Drew Amy?

11:43 Hi.

11:44 Drew You're 17.

11:45 Yeah, my question was for Dr. Drew.

11:48 I've been diagnosed with bacterial vaginitis three times in like the past five months. And I was just wondering why it keeps coming back because I've been prescribed medicine and I've taken it before.

12:01 Adam What's the medicine?

12:04 Drew Cream, right?

12:05 Yeah.

12:07 Adam And are you seeing a gynecologist about this?

12:09 Yeah, I've seen one three times.

12:12 Drew Drew, what's the difference between a cream and a gel? Gel is translucent.

12:16 Adam Gel, it's a different suspension medium. I don't know.

12:20 Drew Gel seems to be, light seems to pass through a gel.

12:23 Adam Yeah, yeah, generally.

12:24 Drew You know, they call those things, they put over the lights in movies. Gels. Interesting. Hey, Amy. Hey, babe.

12:34 Adam You know, listen, one of the things, did your doctor talk to you about what the possibilities are?

12:38 No.

12:39 Adam One of the things sometimes happens is it gets around from the other side, if you get my drift.

12:45 Oh, yeah. I've read about that and hygiene things and...

12:48 Adam It doesn't have to be hygiene sometimes. Sometimes it's just your own sort of microflora.

12:53 Yeah.

12:54 Adam The wrong stuff's getting around there and...

12:56 Drew You gotta wipe away.

12:57 Adam You gotta wipe away.

12:58 You gotta wipe... Well, I do that.

12:59 Drew Wipe toward mecca.

13:01 Okay.

13:02 All right. Well, I don't know, because I've taken the MetroGel and then I went to see another doctor to get another opinion when I came back the third time. And he said the problem was that I didn't get a medicine for a yeast infection to take after the MetroGel.

13:18 Drew Are you having... Yeah?

13:19 Yeah. He gave me a dye flu can to take after the MetroGel.

13:23 Drew Are you having sex?

13:25 No.

13:26 Adam Well, no, no. Nothing is getting... Your vagina is not getting exposed to anything.

13:31 No.

13:33 Adam It's not an uncommon thing, Amy. It isn't.

13:35 I've read that it could be because of, like, eating too much sugar.

13:38 Adam No, people theorize about that. But that really doesn't have much to do with it. And that, by the way, is more about the... thought to be more about the yeast, but even that doesn't make much difference.

13:46 Drew Let me tell everyone about sugar. Apparently, not the deal that people like to make it out to be.

13:51 Adam Well, these... Amy's, what, 17, she didn't live through what we lived through with sugar.

13:55 Drew Yeah.

13:56 Adam Why don't you enlighten the youngins?

13:57 Drew Oh, my goofball mom was telling me how white sugar would basically kill you. I mean...

14:03 Adam In the 70s, sugar, white sugar especially.

14:06 Drew Anything white, white bread, white flour, white rice, white sugar.

14:10 Adam You were going to die. Why wouldn't you make it to adulthood?

14:12 Drew Wasn't good being white in the 70s.

14:14 Adam No, bad time.

14:15 Drew Yeah, and I blame it partially on that god damn Roots special. Turned everyone against whitey. But it wasn't... You ate sugar and you'd get... You'd be hyperkinetic. And people would be walking around like, Oh, look at him. What happened? Oh, he ate a peanut butter cookie and he's flying, man. I mean, he's out of control.

14:36 Adam Meantime, he's like 14 times the LSD in reality. That's cool, man. That makes him feel better. That's sugar. I'll get him.

14:44 Drew Listen, if you can eat an Oreo and start spinning out, that is the definition of lightweight. I don't believe people would even know it if you didn't tell them. I think it's all psychological.

14:56 Adam Oh, that's been tested very clearly.

14:58 Drew Yeah. Sugar doesn't do anything to me. Jessica, I wish it did. Jessica, you're 21.

15:04 Caller Hello, I'm here.

15:05 Drew What's up?

15:06 All right. First, let me just say, don't make fun of me, but I'm here. I do a caller right now. I have every problem in the world. OK, I've been with my boyfriend, like, two and a half years now. And we had a problem with him, me not being able to trust him a couple of, like, last year, maybe. And we're having these problems again. And I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

15:27 Adam Well, it's always, this is kind of a difficult one for us to assess, because didn't you say you've had all the problems that we talk about?

15:33 Oh, all the time.

15:34 Adam Okay, so you've had all these problems. So A, that certainly could make you have difficulty trusting people, and it could make you very suspicious, even though nothing is going on. On the other hand, if you've had all those experiences that we're used to talking about here, we know that you'll choose a partner who's likely to perpetrate them again.

15:50 Exactly. So how do I know if it's me that's just being paranoid and worrying about all the things that have already happened?

15:57 Drew Wait a minute, have you caught your boyfriend doing anything?

16:03 Not right in front of me. I have a pretty good idea that he did.

16:06 What?

16:08 He was working at a place about a year ago, and he met a girl there, lied about me in front of my face, said, oh, that's a girl, she's not my girlfriend, blah blah blah, talking to the girl every night, taking her home every night, lying about everything they could ever imagine. So I kind of came to my end of the sentence.

16:26 Adam What do you mean, lying?

16:27 Drew Right in front of you, saying, this isn't my girlfriend?

16:31 Pretty much.

16:32 Adam No, no, wait, no, no.

16:33 Drew Pretty much?

16:33 Adam I'm not looking for pretty much here. Exactly what did he say in front of you? What were the words you heard?

16:38 In front of me, yeah, I lied about you being my girlfriend because I don't want to be with you, and I don't want this right now.

16:44 Adam All right, so that was a year ago. So you wanted to break up a year ago. Does he want to break up now?

16:49 I don't really know. I talked about it to him. I said, if you don't want to relationship right now, if you're not ready for it, then at least just tell me so that I'm not kind of hanging around here.

16:57 Adam So I can kill myself.

16:58 Oh, no, I want to be with you, but Penny messes around. Like, tonight I was supposed to meet him, and he didn't come home for two hours. So I'm like, what's going on here? And two weeks ago...

17:09 Adam This is less about cheating and more about just disrespect.

17:13 Yeah, a couple weeks ago, we were out in the city, and some girl called, oh, where are you? You're supposed to be at the bar with us tonight. What's going on? Where are you? He was quick to hang up the phone then.

17:22 Drew How do you know what she was saying?

17:25 Oh, she was screaming. I could hear it. I was right next to her.

17:28 Adam Look over the music.

17:29 Drew Oh, Christ. Why don't you break up with him?

17:32 Adam He's a dick.

17:33 Drew He doesn't sound like he's too into this relationship.

17:36 But am I supposed to think that maybe I'm just a little bit of a paranoid person because of something that's happened?

17:41 Drew There's no doubt you're a mess, but this guy's an idiot. And you'll have our permission to break up.

17:46 Adam He's mistreating you. I don't care what it surrounds, it's mistreatment.

17:51 Drew Take a little time for yourself.

17:52 Adam Chill pill.

17:54 Drew Take that chill pill Dr. Drew has prescribed. Steven?

17:58 Hi.

17:59 Drew You're 17?

18:00 Caller Yeah.

18:00 Drew What's up?

18:01 Caller Hi. About four years ago today, I was assaulted by my stepbrother.

18:07 Adam You're 13.

18:08 Caller Yeah.

18:09 Drew Today? You know the date.

18:11 Caller Yeah. It's pretty bad that way. And my question is, is I'm wondering how strong is the probability that that experience can lead to like bisexuality?

18:22 Adam You were raped?

18:23 Drew Yeah. How old is, how old was your stepbrother when he did this?

18:28 Caller He's about a year older than I am.

18:30 Adam He was 14?

18:31 Caller Yeah.

18:32 Drew How did he rape you?

18:33 Caller Um, it's a long story. It happened right under my dad's nose. It happened in a shower.

18:42 Drew Where was your dad?

18:43 Caller He was in the living room.

18:45 Adam What were you doing taking a shower the 14th or when you were 13?

18:47 Drew That guy walked in.

18:49 Caller Yeah, basically.

18:50 Adam You weren't taking a shower with him?

18:51 Caller No.

18:52 Drew And he walked in, you were in the shower.

18:54 Caller Yeah.

18:54 Drew And what did he do?

18:56 Caller He basically, um...

18:59 Adam We want to know specifically. Did he hold you down? Did he, you know, make it so you couldn't yell for help?

19:04 Caller Um, yeah, he held me down with his bodyweight and everything and he told me not to say a word.

19:10 Or what?

19:11 Caller Or he would like kick my butt or something.

19:15 Adam Yeah, so that's when you start screaming louder.

19:18 Drew Better to have your butt kicked than your butt pricked.

19:21 Caller Well, I did.

19:22 Drew My grandfather used to say.

19:23 Caller Well, I did actually scream and my stepmother knocked on the door and said, what the hell is going on? That sort of thing.

19:29 Adam Yeah, and then why didn't you say, help me, help me, help me?

19:33 Caller Because...

19:35 Adam Well, what I'm getting at is, you must have been physically or sexually abused before this.

19:40 Caller Yeah, he occasionally molested me between the ages of 9 to 13 at that time. All right.

19:47 Well, that's much more important.

19:49 Drew Yeah, this wasn't the important incident.

19:51 Caller Yeah.

19:52 Drew This is just one of many.

19:53 Adam This is just one you've chosen to focus on.

19:55 Drew Well, the anniversary is coming up.

19:57 Adam You were being abused for four years before this.

20:00 Caller Yeah.

20:00 Drew And that's why you were unable to assert yourself.

20:03 Adam And I suspect I would even bet further that somebody sort of manhandled you even before that.

20:08 Caller Yeah, my dad.

20:09 Drew Well, there you go.

20:10 Adam There you go. So now you've filled up the sort of profile.

20:13 Drew So now, do you think you're bi or gay or more leading towards bi?

20:19 Adam Well, bi, bi, but be that as it may, it's not about the rape, it's about the long history of sexual abuse that was going on for years.

20:30 Drew And whatever you feel is whatever you feel. Right. Thank you. Thank you very much. I mean, what I mean is, we were just talking about this last night.

20:39 Adam Put that on the cart next to the world as your oyster.

20:41 Drew Yeah. Some gays were born gay and some were created in the lamp.

20:48 Adam But doesn't matter.

20:48 Drew Doesn't matter. Gay is as gay does. Life is like a box of gays. So you are what you are and that may be your life. And the only way it's going to be a bad life is if you question it every day and fight against the direction your balls are going.

21:09 Caller Well, for a long time I was kind of in denial about it.

21:12 Adam Well, I think you may even still be in some degree of denial about it. But it's something, you know, you need to work on for a while. It's a tough thing to manage. What about also working on the childhood history of severe trauma? You have to work on that too.

21:24 Caller Okay.

21:25 Drew And how about a little therapy?

21:27 Caller I've been doing that but it's been kind of complicated. There's a conflict of interest with it.

21:35 Drew Who's interest?

21:38 Caller It's both hers and mine because I've known my therapist ever since I was four and she has a connection to my family and that's a conflict of interest.

21:47 Adam Why don't you see a new therapist then?

21:50 Caller Because right now I don't have insurance.

21:52 Drew Well, why don't you and your therapist get some couples counseling?

21:56 Caller Okay.

21:59 Drew Do they have that, Drew? Were you and your therapist go in and try to hash out your problem?

22:03 Adam Yeah. They call it the supervision.

22:05 Drew Yeah. Jeez, I feel in a way that they've been charging me too much. You never got into that? It'll be interesting.

22:13 Caller Yeah.

22:14 Drew New therapist.

22:15 Caller Okay.

22:16 Drew You have to.

22:17 Caller All right.

22:19 Drew And relax. But this was major trauma in your life and you got to work on it. Where's your stepbrother now?

22:25 Caller Um, actually I have no idea because I haven't talked to them to that whole household since this happened.

22:33 Drew Yeah. God knows what he's doing to whose ass.

22:36 Caller Yeah, exactly.

22:37 Drew All right, buddy.

22:38 Caller All right, thanks.

22:39 Drew Take care of yourself.

22:40 Caller Okay.

22:40 Drew All right. Oh, for Christ's sake. What the hell kind of parenting is that? Weirdo stepbrother comes in.

22:48 Adam Well, dad was physically abusing him when he was a little kid.

22:50 Drew Yeah.

22:51 Adam So who is that guy?

22:53 Drew What a nightmare for you as a young child to have weirdo stepbrother move in and start raping you at age nine. And then you live. You're sitting across the guy eating breakfast every morning. You're living with the dude for years.

23:09 I mean, I'm a man.

23:10 It's torture, right?

23:12 Drew Hey, I'd rather be at the Hanoi Hilton getting battery jumper cables put on my testicles every night. It would be a better hand out to you. Francesca? Is that your name? You're twenty. What's up?

23:30 Caller I've been going out with my boyfriend for like a year and a half and he won't have sex with me.

23:35 Adam Have you asked why?

23:37 Caller He keeps avoiding the subject. I just tell him, I'm like, we get to the point and he just won't go all the way.

23:46 Adam Why?

23:47 Caller I have no idea. I ask him and he's just like, I don't think I'm ready yet. I'm like, we've been going out for a year and a half and I'm like, you're not ready yet.

23:56 Adam Did you ask him when he would be ready?

23:58 Caller He's all, well, maybe next week or something and he keeps putting it on.

24:02 Drew How far have you gotten with him?

24:05 Caller Like, I give him oral sex and-

24:09 Drew See, Francesca, by the way, says like more than shaggy from Scooby-Doo.

24:14 Adam You don't need to do is stop giving him oral sex.

24:17 Drew Yeah.

24:18 Adam And maybe he'll then take sex as the viable alternative.

24:22 Caller He won't even go down on me.

24:24 Drew And you just give him oral sex and you finish him off.

24:30 Adam Yes.

24:31 Drew And then he won't go down on you. No.

24:32 Adam If this doesn't make you happy, why are you in this relationship?

24:35 Caller I really like him, though.

24:37 Drew Sure. What's not to love?

24:38 Caller Like, he's a great guy. It just pisses me off.

24:42 Adam Can you imagine, well, maybe.

24:44 Caller I'm so frustrated with it.

24:45 Adam I guess guys put up with stuff like this.

24:47 Drew What's this guy do? Does he smoke weed? Does he surf?

24:50 Caller He surfs.

24:52 Adam Does he smoke a lot of weed?

24:54 Caller Yeah.

24:54 Adam How old is he?

24:55 Caller He's 21.

24:57 Oh, no way!

24:59 Adam Maybe he's had some... Well, we're only specter. Who the hell knows what his deal is. We'd have to talk to him, but maybe he's had some erectile difficulties from a pod.

25:05 Drew Most surfers are in some sort of suspended, retarded animation.

25:09 Adam Yeah.

25:10 Drew They really are. They have no idea where they are. It's a combination of sewage in the water, the sun, I think the salt, seagulls picking at their brain, cutting class every day and going surfing, smoking tons of weed. They're almost retarded surfers are.

25:29 Caller Yeah.

25:29 Drew Yet, they live a great life and get a ton of tail.

25:32 Caller Should I give them an ultimatum, like put out or?

25:36 Adam I'm not sure of the ultimatum, but you need to get some more honesty going here. If he gave you an explanation for why he's being the way he is and you understood, maybe you'd even support it, but you're not taking... No more avoidance.

25:46 Caller Well, it's not like religious or anything.

25:48 Adam Well, it's whatever, but there's a reason, and you've got to find out what it is, and if it's unacceptable and you still won't move on in the relationship in the direction you want it to go, then it is okay.

25:56 Drew No BJs. Has this guy ever gone down on you?

25:59 Caller No.

25:59 Drew Oh.

26:00 Adam Meantime withhold.

26:02 Drew Year and a half? You've gone down on him hundreds of times?

26:05 Caller Yeah.

26:06 Drew He's never gone down on you?

26:08 Caller No.

26:08 Drew Yeah.

26:09 Adam Bad time.

26:09 Drew This guy's broken beyond repair.

26:12 Adam Maybe.

26:12 Drew He really is. Look, Drew, seriously, a guy who can't get it together in the beginning honeymoon phase of a relationship, a guy who will not put out sexually, who will not go down on the woman, who gets nothing but oral sex from her, and will never reciprocate. Think about the kind of guy this guy is.

26:31 Adam Yeah. I mean, he could be a really serious a-hole.

26:34 Drew He's, well, he's an a-hole and to change him around, that's a full-time job.

26:39 Adam Yeah. Yeah.

26:40 Drew I think she should move on. Kip?

26:44 Hello?

26:44 Drew You're 18?

26:45 Caller Yep.

26:46 Drew What's up?

26:47 Caller Well, when I have sex with my girl, I can't keep my erection.

26:56 Adam Why am I troubled by this call?

26:57 Drew I don't know.

26:58 Adam Something bug you too?

26:58 Drew I didn't believe him.

26:59 Adam Yeah, I didn't either. Are you on medication?

27:03 Caller No.

27:05 Drew Has this happened with every girlfriend?

27:07 Caller No, just it's happened like the last four months.

27:11 Adam With the same girl?

27:13 Drew How long you been with her?

27:14 Caller Two years.

27:15 Drew And it was no problem the first year in eight months?

27:19 Caller Nope.

27:20 Adam How old is she?

27:21 Caller She's 19 now.

27:25 Drew Drew, what are you looking at me that way for?

27:26 Adam I was just saying.

27:27 Drew You don't believe him?

27:28 Adam I don't know. It's some weird vibe. Anyway.

27:30 Drew Yeah, this doesn't sound like much of a bogus call though.

27:32 Adam Yeah, that's true.

27:33 Caller No, I'm dead serious.

27:34 Drew All right.

27:35 Adam No medication. Are you anxious? Is there something going on in the relationship?

27:37 Drew No. Everything is fine.

27:39 Adam Are you afraid that it's going to happen each time you have sex?

27:42 No.

27:43 Adam You're not worried about it when you get going?

27:45 No.

27:45 Adam How long into the intercourse does this occur?

27:48 Drew He says 10 minutes.

27:49 Adam I'm sorry.

27:50 Drew 10 minutes is a pretty long time for just sort of pounding away.

27:54 Adam How long does it take you to ejaculate usually? See?

28:01 Drew What do you do? Hang up?

28:02 Hang up.

28:03 Drew Well, now he's back.

28:04 Are you there?

28:05 Caller Yeah.

28:06 Adam How long did you say it was?

28:07 Caller About 15 minutes.

28:09 Drew Fifteen is what it was or what it is now?

28:11 Adam Well, what it takes him. But he doesn't get them.

28:13 Caller What it takes usually.

28:14 Adam Because he's 10 minutes, he's gone.

28:16 Caller Yeah, I can't. I never finish.

28:18 Adam Normally it takes him 15 minutes to finish. Now he's losing it at 10.

28:21 Drew I see. So he's just shaved 33% off. Well, that's just efficiency right there.

28:25 Adam Yeah, but he doesn't ejaculate.

28:27 Drew Oh, loses the erection, no ejaculation. Oh, that's bad times. Can she finish you off with a BJ?

28:35 Caller No, I can't get it back up after that.

28:37 I have to go to the bathroom.

28:39 Adam To do what?

28:40 Drew Urinate.

28:42 Caller Yeah, it's weird.

28:44 Adam Because it's irritated?

28:46 Caller No, I don't know. Everything feels okay. It just goes down and then I have to go to the bathroom. And if I wait a little while, it comes back. But it goes away again.

28:57 Adam No medication, never been on medication.

28:59 Nope.

29:00 Adam And no medical problems.

29:02 Caller No.

29:02 Adam And the relationship is okay.

29:04 Caller Yeah.

29:04 Adam And is she okay? Does she have any problem with this?

29:07 Caller Well, she just asks why all the time and I don't know why.

29:11 Drew Do you masturbate?

29:12 Caller Nope. Every once in a while.

29:15 Drew Yeah.

29:15 Adam No, yes.

29:16 Drew Well, how often?

29:19 Caller Probably like three times a week maybe.

29:20 Adam Oh, why don't you lay off that for a while?

29:22 Drew Really?

29:23 Adam That's a lot. For a guy who's having an act of sex life?

29:26 Drew Ah! Oh.

29:27 Adam Yeah, it's a lot.

29:29 Drew Yeah. I was going to fire back but I really have nothing to compare it to.

29:33 Adam Lay off that. See if maybe things aren't... There's some very significant vibe I was getting from him. I don't know what it was.

29:40 Drew Yeah.

29:41 Adam But it was something we couldn't get at in a few minutes here.

29:43 Drew Well, there's something that 18-year-old teenage guys have, which is a sort of insincere vibe, oftentimes. It's a kind of a...

29:55 Adam Flippancy. Yeah.

29:56 Drew It's elusive, flippant kind of antisocial vibe. Right.

30:01 Adam When I get that, I assume any question I ask, the answer is going to be, no, not me.

30:04 Drew But half those guys have real questions.

30:07 Adam Yeah.

30:07 Drew They just can't really turn off their sort of flippant a-hole vibe.

30:10 Adam No, I understand. But I keep... I also, if I want to sort of dig for something, I ain't going nowhere.

30:14 Drew This is why, by the way, I couldn't be a school teacher, because five minutes of that, I'd probably... I'd end up taking a swing at every third... every third or fourth boy who was in my class. You know what I mean? When you're explaining to them about what you want them to do over the weekend or some homework assignment, and they were just standing there...

30:31 Adam Smushing, smirking at you.

30:32 Yeah.

30:33 Drew I'd end up just giving one a karate chop. I'd snap into my patented praying mantis position, and then just like the karate kid, wham!

30:45 Adam Yeah. Right in the place that would paralyze and make them drop to the ground. Yeah.

30:49 Drew Yeah. That little karate chop. Right in the trapezoid area. Drops them. Pow! And they're usually passed out, well, for long enough for you to get away, whatever that is. All right. We will take a break. When we come back, we'll speak to Robert. He's 21. Last two girls he went down on had white sour tasting substance down there.

31:10 Adam Nice.

31:11 Drew Yeah. Maybe, maybe he got drunk and went down on like a tostada. Baker. Hey. And who, by the way, Drew? I know you think we're going to commercial, but I don't know if this is a California thing or an LA thing, but who decided we needed a metric goddamn ton of sour cream on top of every Mexican dish?

31:34 Adam I know you don't like that. I like that.

31:35 Drew You do?

31:36 Yeah.

31:37 Drew That is like white trash. I like them.

31:40 Adam I know.

31:40 Drew Oh, boy. You order an enchilada and they take this huge wonder.

31:46 Adam Sour cream and guacamole side by side.

31:50 Drew Guacamole I'm fine with. But do they use sour cream in Mexico? Or is all cream sour in Mexico? Or how does it? Well, they don't use sour cream in Mexico. Probably not. Yeah. This is a bad LA thing. We got to get over this. It ruins it. All right. I'm glad you're on board with that. We'll be back.

32:20 Guest Love Line is brought to you by Car Toys.

32:30 Caller You're listening to Love Line on Outrageous Talk Radio 100.7 The Bugs.

32:35 Guest Which I would do anyway. And I said, now the time is seeing a dominance over you. You must now see a psychologist. This is not the place for you. And I never saw him again. And the other guy was, he was taking everything I threw at him and the bathroom sink. I couldn't hit him hard enough. I couldn't do enough. And he was spun a little bit and he broke a glass and cut his chest open. And I said, you need help. And I left the situation and told him he needed to see a shrink too.

33:04 Drew And you have regular clients, right?

33:06 Guest Absolutely.

33:07 Drew Guys you see weekly or more than once a week?

33:11 Guest I have a lot of regulars.

33:12 Drew Some guys you've been seeing for years?

33:14 Guest They're my pets.

33:17 Drew Couple of times a week, maybe more? What's the busiest guy who's been in there? Five years, three days a week, that kind of thing?

33:25 Guest I've had a submissive for four years.

33:28 Drew How often? What's the longest he'll go without coming in there?

33:33 Guest Well, I see him once a week.

33:34 Drew Once a week?

33:34 Guest Well, he sees me when I tell him he will. Oh, right, right.

33:38 Adam Does the scenario change with him?

33:40 Guest Not for him. He's pretty set about his thing that he likes.

33:45 Drew Yeah. Do you ever make any house calls?

33:48 Guest No.

33:49 Drew Go over to the guy's house?

33:50 Adam Does this freak you out? Do you think differently of men? Have you been through all this?

33:55 Guest Yes. Yes, I do think differently of men than when I walked into the business.

33:59 Adam What's different?

33:59 Guest Of course, I do. A lot of times we're asked if we hate men being dominant. Do we dislike men? I have a lot of compassion for men. I never wanted to be a man, that's for sure, but yeah, I have a lot of compassion for what men go through. They don't go see a psychologist. They do come to see us.

34:17 Drew Do you have a boyfriend, a husband?

34:20 Guest No, I have no boyfriend.

34:22 Drew Are you lesbian or are you straight?

34:23 Guest No, I'm not a lesbian. I'm very much a heterosexual.

34:26 Drew Can you have a boyfriend or a fiance? Absolutely.

34:30 Guest I've had boyfriends. Sure, I have.

34:31 Drew Do they object to this?

34:38 Guest Not when they know the reality of it, when they know that there is no sex. That's the first thing that they have to get over is what I call the Hollywood concept of being a dominatrix is that you tie a man down and you just have your way with him and that doesn't happen. No. Because we are professional now, private domination is different if you were in your own home, then the sexual aspect becomes a part of it.

35:00 Drew What about in your relationship with your boyfriend?

35:04 Guest Which I don't have a boyfriend, but okay.

35:06 Caller If you do.

35:07 Drew When you do have a boyfriend. How does that work? Does he need to be submissive or does that matter at all?

35:14 Guest Can I have vanilla sex?

35:16 Caller Right.

35:17 Drew Well, not only, I don't know if it just means sex, I just kind of mean in the relationship. Can you leave it at work? Can he drive?

35:24 Guest No, I'm a lifestyle dominant.

35:26 Drew Oh, lifestyle.

35:27 Guest It doesn't stop for me at the end of my day at Lady Elizabeth. I'm a dominant 24 hours a day.

35:32 Adam The guy has to be a submissive.

35:35 Guest He has to, yeah.

35:36 Drew Drew, you're in one of those relationships, aren't you? Your wife is a lifestyle dominant, isn't she?

35:42 Adam We trade roles.

35:42 Guest But only a submissive in the regard of sexual. I don't want to lead him around constantly and make his decisions.

35:51 Drew I mean only in the bedroom. So when you guys are going on vacation, he's driving, he's calling the shots.

35:56 Guest Sometimes I want him very much to be a man. And I enjoy vanilla. It just has to be French vanilla. You know what I'm saying? There's always got to be a hint of power exchange for me to really enjoy.

36:07 Drew What if he tries to pull a little power in the bedroom?

36:10 Guest Well, in my private life, if he was good enough and he thought he could top Adam.

36:16 Drew He'd have to be good, though.

36:17 Guest There's not many men out there that can top Adam.

36:19 Drew I think I could top Adam.

36:20 Adam Is that what you're looking for?

36:21 Drew Yeah, I could do you up right. I'm scared.

36:24 Adam Relax, big boy.

36:25 Drew I got a lot of hair in my ass.

36:26 Guest I always say that I'm a benevolent fascist. At least I admit it. And yeah, I need a very strong-willed guy. And I have a hard time. If I can run over him, I don't want him. I can't respect him.

36:40 Adam Back to your guys' feelings about men and how they've changed since you've been in these roles. Most of them, it seems, may carry a tremendous fantasy about men and really sort of in denial about how men work. Did this, is it true?

36:50 Guest I have no denial.

36:51 Adam But is this what's caused to break through that denial?

36:56 Guest Yeah.

36:57 I have a huge education.

36:58 Drew Alright, lean into the microphone there. Now, Cindy, now! There, see how that works?

37:05 Guest Talk, Cindy, talk.

37:08 When I was being a submissive, I learned so much about men that I didn't know.

37:14 Guest Such as?

37:17 That they're vulnerable.

37:18 Drew Oh, really?

37:19 Yeah.

37:20 Drew The guys that are dealing out the punishment are vulnerable?

37:24 Well, yeah. If you think about it, if you're giving a woman a pretty hard spanking, Right. that's putting a lot of yourself out.

37:33 Drew Well, I mean, sort of, but I don't really look that as vulnerable. I mean, here would be my motivation for the spanking. This is costing me 160 goddamn bucks. That would be my angle on the spanking.

37:49 And if you didn't want to do it, you wouldn't be spending the 160 bucks.

37:53 Drew And tip. That would be, they tip, right? Sometimes. There's a fair amount of tipping going on.

37:57 Guest Sometimes.

37:58 It's not mandatory, but it's appreciated.

38:01 Drew Oh, yeah.

38:01 Adam Okay.

38:02 Drew I used to do stuff like come on out in a pair of jeans. And then the coach who were really more Gestapo agents than they were, PE coaches. A lot of frustrated ex-Marines and guys that were divorced and freaked out. They'd yell at me to go back in the locker room and put some shorts on. And I'd pull the shorts on over my jeans and come back out again.

38:25 Adam Just out of curiosity. Did you ever see anyone?

38:27 Drew I thought it was good for a laugh, though.

38:29 Adam It is good for a laugh. It was important training for you. But be that as it may, did you ever see anyone who actually got a B plus in P or an A minus do that guess?

38:37 Drew No.

38:38 Adam Oh, okay.

38:39 Caller Didn't see a lot of those guys.

38:40 Adam So let me get right. So the teachers had it out for you. Okay, got it.

38:45 Got it.

38:45 Drew Check.

38:46 Check.

38:46 Adam I'm making notes here.

38:47 Drew How dare you. I did not kiss the man's ass. I want to make that perfectly clear.

38:53 Adam You avoided that at any cost.

38:55 Drew Scholastically, there was never anywhere for me to slide. Me sliding, my grade slipping would just be from D to fail or possibly from fail to fail. There wasn't really anywhere to go.

39:07 Adam Failed to expelled.

39:09 Drew Yeah, I think I go from failed to a toss out of the school. So I never understand that at your grade slipping. And no, I never did get higher than a C in any class of any significance or meaning, if that's what you're asking.

39:20 Adam That's what I was asking.

39:21 Drew No.

39:22 Adam Because what I was looking for was any teacher that connected with you, inspired you. No. Put some faith in you and you were-

39:29 Drew I couldn't do it. I couldn't read or write. There's nothing I could do. I never took algebra. I did all right in math. Math, not algebra, math.

39:37 Adam Arithmetic, that's correct.

39:38 Drew Arithmetic. Senior year of high school in a math class, everybody.

39:42 Adam Arithmetic.

39:43 Drew Arithmetic. Multiplication tables, working on those.

39:46 Adam Okay.

39:49 Yep.

39:50 Drew And here's the moral of the story, everybody. Millionaire, literally millionaire. So you do the arithmetic. Chris?

40:02 Caller Yes.

40:03 You're 30.

40:04 Caller Yeah. I tried to call you guys a couple of times over the past year. All right. Here we are.

40:09 Adam What's going on?

40:10 Always miss you.

40:11 Caller By the way, just want to say you guys do a great show. Everything's happy. It's funny.

40:15 Caller Educational. Shocking. It's a you guys should.

40:17 Drew Diabolical masterminds who take over the world. These guys, they're more Hitler and Stalin than they are just the guys in the trenches.

40:27 Guest For instance, I had an attorney, a very high profile attorney that used to come and see me. And the only time that he would come to see me was when he was in the middle of a huge case and he knew he was going to win and he was going to let this vermin that he was representing loose on society. And he would come to see me and he would want the data.

40:43 Guest Oh, watch the episode there.

40:45 Guest It was, oh.

40:46 Drew That's all right.

40:47 Adam But you know what? God bless you for doing what we all wish we could do to these two.

40:53 Drew That's all right.

40:54 Guest But anyway, he wanted him beaten to a pulp practically and afterwards he felt absolved from knowing that he was going to go in and mostly drug dealers is what he defended.

41:04 Drew Would he tell you this?

41:06 Guest Yes, he would come in and he'd call and he'd say, I was Mistress Elizabeth at the time, he'd say, Elizabeth, I'm going to win this case. I need to come in. He said, I need to get myself purged. He says, I know this guy's going to get loose. He's going to sell drugs to kids. He's going to be out on the street. He said, you need to come. And he used to tell me these things. So that when he'd come in, I would make sure that he really got his.

41:23 Drew And you could also weave a little of that, you know, vigilante justice angle into it, right?

41:29 Guest Yes, but it was what he wanted. So, I mean, and he always left with a $500 tip.

41:33 Drew Hey, if, if, is Johnny Cochran ever come in there?

41:37 Guest I wish.

41:37 Drew I wish.

41:38 Guest I wish.

41:38 Drew He does ask.

41:39 Adam You have pretty confidentiality.

41:41 Guest I mean, yes.

41:42 Adam You would never devolve.

41:43 Guest No, no.

41:43 Drew Not on the air, but off the air, we'll get a nice long list.

41:46 Adam Just this, if Adam's been in there, I don't want to know it, okay?

41:48 Guest No, no. If Adam had been in there, I don't think he'd ever have left.

41:52 Drew No, no, because I'd be dead. Die of humiliation. Drew, you know I don't put any, any energy into sexuality at all.

42:00 Adam I wonder if they had some sort of like sphagnatorium? Not some sort of passive room, you know, sort of a.

42:05 Drew Yeah, do you have.

42:07 Adam Room where you can call that.

42:09 Drew Yeah, do you have the.

42:10 Adam Empty room, what would we call it?

42:12 Drew Like some cable in there. What I'm looking for is more of a sports bar than a dungeon. You have something, you know, got some ESPN and some popcorn and something.

42:23 Guest Right down the street. It's called Exotic City.

42:26 Drew Oh, it is? Yeah, go there and just hang out, right?

42:28 Adam That's too much work for him already. No, no, no. The prone room. Why not?

42:32 Drew All right, Drew, you think of a good name for that room. We're talking about the...

42:35 Adam The Sensory Deprivation Room.

42:37 Drew Oh, I need a place I can nap.

42:39 Guest We do that too, Sensory Deprivation.

42:40 Drew Oh, you do?

42:41 Guest Yes, we do.

42:42 Adam All right.

42:42 Drew Well, hold on to that thought because we got to take a break. I want to get into that Sensory Deprivation. I always wanted one of those tanks with the salt water in it that I can hallucinate in.

42:50 Adam When you're really a huge star, I know that will be your first purchase.

42:53 All right.

42:53 Drew We'll take a break. We'll be back.

42:56 1-800-LOVE-191.

43:17 Caller This is the show known as Loveline.

43:19 Caller With your hosts, Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

43:25 Caller Hi, this is Tracee Norris, and you're listening to Loveline.

43:30 Drew Yep, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla, it's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Stained will be in tomorrow night, tonight. Talking BDSM. Mistress Dallas, Lady Elizabeth, submissive Cindy, all here from the Passive Arts. Yes? Did I come up with that right?

43:48 Adam Passive Arts Studio.

43:49 Drew That's right. You get to go there, get a little genital torture, spank a little ass. No gift shop, no spankatorium, but those will soon be put in. 7,000 square feet of a dungeon.

44:04 Guest And theme rooms.

44:05 Drew And theme rooms. Give us some of the theme rooms.

44:07 Guest The Mae West Room is a dress room, specifically for cross dressers. There's a lot of men that like to get into cross dressing and dress up as ladies.

44:14 Drew So you have outfits for them?

44:16 Guest Everything. And so there's a special room for these little darlings to go to.

44:18 Adam Are there combos of these things that are common? I mean, it's cross dressing and meeting.

44:22 Guest Spanking. Usually it's spanking.

44:24 Adam Being spanked?

44:25 Guest Yeah, it's cross dressing. Usually they like being spanked and they're into foot worship.

44:28 Adam That's the combo.

44:29 Guest Yeah. Sometimes it's just dressing up and being put on display. They like to be paraded and exhibited in front of the other ladies.

44:36 Adam Riticuled?

44:37 Guest Sometimes. Sometimes, yes. Humiliated, yes. We do that too.

44:41 Adam I'm interested in the combos.

44:43 Drew I could be good at that.

44:44 Adam The ridicule?

44:45 Drew Yeah, when the guys in drag are on parade.

44:48 Adam Oh, would you?

44:49 Drew Yeah, that'd be a good gig for me.

44:51 Adam The ones that really need a harsh ridicule.

44:55 Drew Yeah, I mean, a lot of these guys, they don't look that great as women, do they?

44:59 Guest Some of them look better as women than they do as men.

45:01 Drew Oh, really?

45:02 Guest When we get done with them, we transform them everything. Makeup, wigs, clothes, stockings, heels, everything.

45:07 Some come in already dressed up as women, and we ask some where they get their outfits because we like their outfits.

45:16 Drew So what are the other rooms? You say you have the May West room, what other rooms?

45:19 The Pony Stables.

45:20 Guest We have Windsor Stables where we do dog and pony training. You can have fun with that, Adam.

45:26 Adam I don't get it.

45:27 Guest There are men that they like to be trained as ponies, and they like to be taught how to trot and prance and how to perform, and we dress them up in headgear. The Black Rose has a contest every year, I believe it's in Washington, where they have human ponies that perform, and it's like a big event, like an Olympics event, and they get prizes first, second, third.

45:48 Drew Where do their folks see that they brought home the gold in the pony competition? That's going to be great.

45:53 Adam Are they on all fours?

45:54 Look at the key to the city.

45:55 Guest Well, Mistress Dallas is an expert equestrian trader. She does the equestrian.

45:58 Adam Do they do, are they on all fours or are they there?

46:00 Guest Sometimes. The dogs are.

46:02 Adam The dogs are on all fours.

46:03 Drew Of course. Ponies, no?

46:04 Guest Well, there are three types of ponies that you can be. You can be a show pony, you can be a riding pony, or you can be a carriage pony.

46:11 Drew Ah, carriage pony, that's pedestrian. I like to be a show pony.

46:15 Guest Show pony's my favorite.

46:17 Adam Are there different kinds of guys that select each of these categories?

46:21 Guest Absolutely.

46:21 Adam What are they like?

46:25 Guest The show pony's really want to be pretty in a way.

46:28 Adam By the way, I don't think I've ever been more fascinated with the human being than tonight.

46:31 Drew No, I haven't either.

46:33 Guest The show pony's want to be pretty because it's all about being pretty.

46:36 Adam That's kind of the cross dresser.

46:38 Drew Absolutely. Do they put a head dress on or head gear on?

46:43 Guest Absolutely.

46:44 Guest We have everything, the bits for the mouth, the plumes for the head, everything.

46:49 Drew Do the pony's do that thing where you walk on your back feet, but you hold your front feet up?

46:54 Guest Those are the show ponies.

46:56 Drew Do they make the pony noises?

46:57 Guest They have to winnie, yes. When you become a dog or you become a pony, you lose all sense of being able to speak English or speak our language because you are not. You have to winnie. I feed you carrots. I feed you an apple.

47:10 Drew Winnie said, eee.

47:12 Guest Winnie.

47:13 Drew Do they ever make, you know, take a little crap or something?

47:17 Guest No.

47:17 Drew Well, a pony may do that, especially a buggy pony.

47:22 Guest That's a quick way to go to the glue farm.

47:23 Drew Oh, I see. Oh, yeah.

47:24 Caller Yeah. That's Debbi.

47:26 Drew I see.

47:26 Guest But we have sulky's and, you know, they this is for the sulky races. We have pony races out there and sulky's.

47:32 Guest Or it's a carriage, a carriage. Yeah. They like to pull us around.

47:36 Drew Really?

47:37 Adam We lay us around it.

47:39 Drew And you have the reins and you pull on it.

47:41 Guest Yes, absolutely.

47:42 Guest We have races and the whips.

47:43 Guest Yes. The buggy carriage whips. Yes.

47:45 Drew And what other rooms? I could do two hours out of the fire room.

47:48 Guest We have the Bastille.

47:49 Guest Well, the Bastille, which has a regulation jail cell in it, which we use for extended and overnight stays. Oh. And we can incarcerate someone in that overnight. We have sessions that we do that people come in from Europe and they want to do an extended overnight stay, and that's where they stay.

48:03 Drew Now, what's that set you back?

48:05 Guest It doesn't.

48:06 Drew No, not you. I mean, money wise.

48:08 Guest Well, it depends. What I do for a situation like that is, depending on how many hours they are going to spend there, I speak with the lady in question and we come up with a flat rate.

48:17 Drew I see.

48:17 Guest So that, you know, and then this flat rate entails everything. And it usually it's overnight. So, and I don't allow the ladies to stay in the building alone at night. So we have to have security there at night.

48:26 Drew Sure. And yeah, it wouldn't be 160 an hour.

48:30 Adam No, no.

48:31 Drew Work out a flat rate.

48:32 Adam I'm just thinking about these ponies. They're all men, yes?

48:35 Drew No, some actual ponies in there.

48:38 Adam The unicorns come in and want to be ponies.

48:40 Guest One of the best ponies that Mr. Stalas had was female.

48:43 Adam Oh, really? Yes.

48:44 Guest Females are actually, women are big time into being pony girls.

48:48 Adam Yeah, I understand that.

48:48 Guest They don't enjoy being the dogs. I don't get a lot of women that want to be dogs, but they do want to be pony girls.

48:54 Adam I just imagine that these men must be in so much pain.

48:58 Drew What? You mean with the bit in their mouth or just in general life?

49:01 Adam In their skin, before you even get a hold of them, sort of match that pain with what you do to them.

49:06 Guest They don't seem to be in pain. They're so very happy.

49:10 Guest You know, I'm sure that there's a segment of what you say.

49:13 Guest I mean, I just, it's a lot of them just like, oh, a lot of the men that came in there, they have fun.

49:18 Guest I mean, it's hysterical. I mean, they have so much fun. Well, they have a thing that we do with.

49:23 Drew But what do they like at work?

49:24 Guest You know, I mean, I don't know. But let me tell you something. One of the best ponies we had is a big broker for a very, very, very fine house. I mean, you know, he comes in and he just spends a lot of time there.

49:36 Adam Absolutely.

49:36 Drew Yeah, spending our money, Drew.

49:38 Adam That's our investment money. His money.

49:40 Drew No, it's the stuff he's skimming.

49:41 Guest And you were talking about the cross-dressers before. Very interesting thing. Sometimes we'll have two cross-dressers at the same time that come in. And what we do is we have them bring bunches of dollar bills and we have a stage area. And we have parties out there. Every four months we'll have a party. And they go up there and they have these dance contests like Chippendale type thing. And all the ladies come and sit and we stick dollars in their G-strings. I mean, they try to outdo each other on the stage. I mean, we have a lot of fun there. It's a lot of fun. And they try to outperform each other. It's really funny. I mean, we have a great time there.

50:11 Drew Does anybody ever wander in off the street and they're confused? They think they're at a strip club and they see some guy, a pony, another fat Harry Mae West. And they're like, oh, Christ, LA sucks.

50:23 Guest They wander into the lobby and then I tell them they're in the wrong place.

50:26 Guest Wrong place.

50:26 Guest And they don't see that.

50:27 Drew All right. That's good. And one other room before we go to break.

50:32 Guest Winter Hall, the school room, the English school room.

50:34 Drew Oh, yeah. Yes. They have the the tables attached to the chairs and that kind of thing.

50:38 Guest Lockers.

50:39 Guest Lockers like an old-fashioned school room. And most of the men come in there. Most of the clients that go in there are from England. And they've got the English discipline, the caning from the schools that they went to. And this is a carryover that they really, for whatever reason, they enjoy it.

50:54 Adam They're poor brains. They had to have etched in at such a vulnerable age that it's still there.

51:00 Drew All right. We'll take ourselves a little break, talking to the mistress, the lady in the submissive tonight, about, that's a Disney movie, isn't it?

51:08 Adam Lady in the Submissive, yeah.

51:09 Drew Talking about BDSM and-

51:11 Adam There's a spaghetti scene there.

51:12 Drew All the different facets of it. The pony room and the Mae West room and all the stuff. We had no idea. You see, just when you think humanity couldn't get any farther effed up, here you go. You learn about the pony room.

51:24 Adam We forgot about sensory deprivation. We got to come back.

51:26 Drew We got everything. We'll be back.

51:29 Caller Loveline, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, we'll be right back.

51:47 KNRK, Kermis, Portland, and Entercom Radio Station.

52:11 Drew Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew, Submissive Dr. Drew over there, everybody. Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Mr. Stalus is here, Lady Elizabeth, and Submissive Cindy is here. And they're all from the Passive Arts Studio, which is out by the airport, big airport, LAX over there. And 7,000 square feet of a dungeon room over there, not to mention the Mae West room.

52:39 Guest Windsor Hall.

52:40 Drew And Windsor Hall.

52:41 Guest The best deal.

52:42 Drew The best deal.

52:43 Adam The interrogation room, we didn't talk about that.

52:44 Guest Yes, and we have the interrogation room. Oh, the interrogation room.

52:46 Adam Oh, Adam, you'd love that.

52:47 Drew I'll tell you, you guys really want to dig deep, go, why don't you just open a DMV right there? That's where the abuse is.

52:58 Adam What about the sensory deprivation? What is the deal with that?

53:01 Guest Well, sensory deprivation is where we take away all your senses. We isolate you completely.

53:06 Drew Hold on, go right there.

53:08 Adam Deprived senses, sensory deprivation.

53:11 Guest And you're basically, you can't hear.

53:13 Adam Is it a water tank? Is it some sort of a puffy room?

53:16 Guest No, no, no.

53:17 Drew No windows, I'm guessing.

53:18 Guest No.

53:19 Drew Completely dark in the room?

53:20 Guest Yes.

53:21 Adam How do you take away tactile? Do you have them suspended on a hammock or something? No, I mean, there are those rooms out there where people are sort of suspended.

53:28 Drew Really? It's called outer space.

53:30 Guest Hands are out, they're not allowed to. The gloves, they can't bring their fingers together. But the point is that they like this. It's sort of like they come out of it like in the zone. We call it sub-zone.

53:40 Adam Do you then bring them out in special ways?

53:42 Guest No, we go down. When the session is, when the time is complete, we go in, we talk them down, we spend time with them before we bring them out.

53:48 Drew Is nobody's in the room with them?

53:51 Guest No.

53:52 Drew Just go in the room, lie down on the floor or?

53:56 Guest No, they sit in the chair. They sit in a special chair.

53:59 Drew Sit in a chair, what are they wearing? Anything?

54:03 Guest Whatever they want.

54:04 Drew Whatever they want. There's no gear, there's no web.

54:07 Guest Well, they have to wear earplugs.

54:09 Drew Oh, earplugs.

54:10 Guest There you go. Line folds.

54:11 Drew Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

54:13 Guest A gag.

54:13 Adam Adam, the difficult part for you, hands off the genitals.

54:16 Drew No, no, no, no? Hands off the genitals.

54:18 Guest Absolutely.

54:19 Drew Really?

54:19 Adam Sitting alone by yourself, imagine that.

54:22 Guest In a dark room.

54:23 Adam I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

54:24 Drew You're saying no, no cable, just regular, just network stuff? Yeah. They just sit alone in this dark room. What else? Are they wearing any gloves or any, and are they bound in any way?

54:36 Guest We have mitts and they are bound.

54:38 Drew Oh, they're bound? How are they bound?

54:41 Guest To a chair or we can do total body suspensions for the feeling of weightlessness.

54:46 Drew Yeah. How does that work, the body suspension?

54:49 Guest Well, that's very exacting and it's really hard to describe because you have to know what you're doing and it's really hard. I'm, you know, 125 pounds and I'm suspending men that are 220. But we have the equipment for it. It's just...

55:03 Drew They get in a harness or something?

55:05 Guest No, we do it all with rope. And what we do have the suspension cuffs that are meant for suspension. But yeah, we do it with rope.

55:11 Drew And they'll just be deprived of everything? And they'll just be in there for...

55:17 Guest All of their senses.

55:18 Drew Just be in there for an hour? Or do they...

55:20 Guest Or longer.

55:21 Drew Well, here's my plan with the sensory deprivation room. You make them pay for an hour, you leave them in there for about 15, 18 minutes. You pull them out, you tell them it's been two hours. Change the clocks, move the clocks up. They're not going to know. You don't know where you are.

55:35 Guest Yeah.

55:35 Drew You don't know what an hour is.

55:36 Guest Adam, it's a good thing you're not running my business.

55:38 Drew Why? You're kidding? There'd be the spankatorium, there'd be the DMV.

55:42 Caller Don't forget, and gift shop.

55:44 Drew You guys could really start making some money over there.

55:47 Adam I'm already worried about the spankatorium.

55:49 Drew Why?

55:49 Adam Because there's two meanings in that place.

55:51 Drew Unless you get the indoor, outdoor carpet in there. You know what I'm saying? You don't want anything too nice. Don't want a little berber or anything. Yeah. You mold it after a chimpanzee cage at the zoo.

56:02 Adam Speaking of the drains, you guys did say you draw blood if requested, demanded, whatever. Concerns? Infectious disease?

56:12 Guest Well, one, generally if someone is into having their flesh split, they have their own equipment that they bring to use. English canes being one of the things that will...

56:24 Drew Is that the big one?...

56:25 Guest single tails, things of that nature, will split the skin open.

56:29 Drew So, bullwhip is a lot better than the cat-o-nine tails as far as drawing blood?

56:35 Guest Well, cat-o-nine would not draw blood.

56:37 Drew No, but the bull will.

56:38 Guest A bullwhip will.

56:39 Drew And you've got to be able to...

56:41 Guest Yes.

56:41 Drew Yeah, you ever do a thing where the guy lights a cigarette and you'll whoosh and you'll take the cigarette out?

56:46 Guest I actually don't use the bullwhip. I use a single tail, which is a smaller version of a bullwhip because I'm not tall enough. They're a very long piece of equipment to use the bullwhip.

56:56 Drew Does the single tail have a rigid handle with the leather at the end?

57:02 Guest No, it's like a whip. It has the handle. It's like a bullwhip. It's flexible. It's very flexible. You have to be exact. You have to really know what you're doing. That's why it's so important that everybody that is going to use this type of equipment train and train well.

57:15 Adam Do you guys have insurance to protect yourself if somebody gets a bullwhip in the eye or something? Are you protected?

57:20 Guest We're protected.

57:21 Drew We're protected. People got to sign something before they go in and take it.

57:25 Guest We're protected.

57:26 Drew I see. All right. You guys don't want to talk about the protection?

57:29 Guest We're protected.

57:30 Drew Are you guys protected?

57:31 Guest Yes, we're protected.

57:32 Drew I just want to make that clear. It's always funny when people, I don't want to talk about stuff, they'll just say, they'll say, I mean, they'll shake their head and that means shut the F up. I would assume there'd be some, well, Drew, you can't come in and have someone say, ah, ah, without a bunch of insurance, right?

57:50 Adam Oh, and a bunch of government agencies crawling up my ass.

57:52 Drew Maxwell? Yeah. Year 20?

57:55 Adam Yep.

57:55 Drew What's up?

57:57 Caller I have a question actually, it's about my girlfriend. She has a really bad feminine smell.

58:06 Adam Have you actually talked to her about it?

58:08 Caller Well, she'll mention something about it to me and she'll apologize for it prior to having sex. That's nice. Yeah. And it actually gets to the point sometimes where it's a turn off and I can't function correctly because of the smell.

58:25 Drew Right.

58:25 Caller And I don't know what I should do about it, how should I approach her and let her know because she's really sensitive about it. She constantly apologized before we had sex about it, but I'm not really...

58:38 Drew Alright, so it has nothing to do with hygiene.

58:41 Caller Well, I mean she's a clean person.

58:43 Adam And have you asked her, has she had a pap smear recently?

58:46 Caller No, she hasn't.

58:47 Adam Why didn't she? If you're having sex, she needs to do that regularly, right?

58:50 Caller Right, yeah.

58:50 Adam And if there's a change in her odor, that can be infection, so.

58:54 Caller Right. See, I've mentioned something about it to her as far as like going to see a doctor. Yeah, good. I mean, as far as the pap smear and stuff and getting on birth control and everything. There you go. She's just, I don't know, she's really sensitive about stuff like that.

59:06 Adam So it's just like, I don't know.

59:07 Drew She's bringing it up and apologizing for it. I mean, she's aware of it.

59:11 Adam It's about her basic health care needs. What are you guys using for contraception now?

59:14 Caller We're using condoms. All right. I've mentioned stuff as far as like, douching and stuff and she just-

59:22 Adam Not likely to do much. How old is she?

59:23 Caller She's 19.

59:25 Adam It's time to be a grown up and do her routine health care.

59:28 Drew Do you think she's freaked out about the gynecologist because of her odor?

59:33 Caller I think that might be a little bit to it. She also just has a problem. I'm the only second person she's ever been with. She also has a problem with kind of... She won't let me see her completely naked. We've been together for over a year.

59:46 Guest She shouldn't be having sex at all then.

59:48 Caller Yeah, we're having sex.

59:50 Guest No, I said she should not be having sex at all then. If she's not capable of, comfortable with her own self, that she can one, go to the gynecologist to find out what's wrong with her, if there is something, and she can't allow her lover to see her nude.

1:00:05 Caller Right. Does she just feel self-conscious about her body?

1:00:09 Guest Adults are the people who should be having sex.

1:00:11 Adam Right.

1:00:12 Caller I understand.

1:00:12 Caller Right.

1:00:13 Drew And being ponies.

1:00:14 Adam Yeah.

1:00:16 Drew Right, ladies?

1:00:17 Caller Absolutely.

1:00:19 Guest If you're under 18, you can't get in the door.

1:00:22 Adam All right, Maxwell. Listen, just get her in the proper care. We can't speculate any more beyond that, but it could be infection. It's time to take care of it. All right?

1:00:27 Caller Okay.

1:00:28 Caller Great. Thank you.

1:00:28 Drew All right. I'm guessing a gynecologist probably has a trained nose, right?

1:00:35 Caller No, no.

1:00:35 Adam Absolutely.

1:00:36 Drew That sounds bizarre, but they must.

1:00:37 Caller No, no, no.

1:00:38 Adam Any doctor does.

1:00:39 Caller Yeah.

1:00:39 Adam Absolutely.

1:00:40 Guest And they see this kind of thing all the time? All the time. It's not a big deal.

1:00:44 Guest It's what they handle. It's their area of expertise.

1:00:47 Adam Let me assure you, if somebody has worked in a county hospital, the range of what can go on is astonishing.

1:00:54 Drew Scent-wise?

1:00:55 Adam Yeah. And our callers don't even imagine, don't have a concept of what doctors actually end up dealing with.

1:01:03 Drew Right. So some bag lady comes in there with the yeast thing that's been going on since 1963.

1:01:08 Adam So just relax. The doctor will not have any problem with it.

1:01:11 Guest That's right.

1:01:11 Drew Oh, that is bad times. Bryan?

1:01:13 Hey, what's up?

1:01:14 Drew Hey, you're 23. What's going on?

1:01:16 Caller Oh, I had a question on Dick Rings and rubber band.

1:01:21 Drew Let's see. Dick Rings was my name when I worked for another radio station.

1:01:26 Adam You were a juggler then?

1:01:26 Drew I worked out of...

1:01:27 Adam Dick Rings?

1:01:27 Drew Worked out of Tulsa for a while.

1:01:30 Adam The morning show?

1:01:31 Drew Yeah, I did the morning show. It's part of the morning show.

1:01:33 Adam Dick Rings, the morning show.

1:01:34 Caller Yeah. Sounds festive.

1:01:36 Caller Yeah.

1:01:37 Caller Great show, by the way.

1:01:38 Drew Oh, thanks.

1:01:39 Caller Yes. You were talking like months back about having a thing with Dick Rings or like the rubber band deal where you have it like...

1:01:49 Adam Yeah, no, no, no. We were talking about a treatment for erectile dysfunction.

1:01:53 Caller Oh, I see.

1:01:54 Drew Where you used a pump, you pumped the blood into the phallus and then you snapped this sort of ring at the base and you essentially kept the blood in it like you're blowing up a... like a clown blowing up a balloon and tying it off.

1:02:07 Adam And then you turn it up.

1:02:08 Caller Okay. What if we took it a step further for like enhancement, you know, Yeah, well... But the thing with the rubber band, where you tie it around the testicles, after a while, you know, when it sits there around like you tied it like into a sack or some sort...

1:02:24 Drew Oh, wait, wait, wait, what do you do with the rubber band in the testicles, Brian?

1:02:29 Caller Is that bad for the urethra or something? I mean...

1:02:31 Drew Well, what do you do with the rubber band?

1:02:34 Caller Well, the rubber band is like tied around the, you know, the testicle area or something.

1:02:37 Drew Why?

1:02:38 Caller Why? You know, just to like probably decrease the...

1:02:42 Guest Oh, we do that, but...

1:02:43 Adam Well, why?

1:02:44 Drew Why?

1:02:44 Guest You do that? Yeah, well, that's the part of the torture.

1:02:46 Drew Well, how does that work? How does that work?

1:02:48 Guest Part of genital torture, but it goes along with the whole enchilada, so to speak.

1:02:52 Adam But Brian seems to have some intent here, like you're trying to delay ejaculation or something?

1:02:56 Caller Yeah, just to delay it and enhance it and extend it for the partner.

1:03:02 Drew So, but that's the kind of thing that you would enjoy, right?

1:03:06 Caller Yeah, with my partner, not mutual masturbation.

1:03:10 Adam Brian, why are you doing this? Give me a specific word that describes why you're doing this.

1:03:16 Caller Why? I don't know. I mean, it was something my friend told me about.

1:03:23 Adam And what was it that you thought you might be able to accomplish by doing it? One word.

1:03:28 Caller Just the extended.

1:03:29 Adam Prolongation. Yeah. No, forget it. Forget it. That's not what that's about.

1:03:33 Caller Will that cause like prostate cancer or something?

1:03:36 Adam No, will not cause prostate cancer.

1:03:37 Caller Oh, okay.

1:03:38 Adam But I worry you guys are hanging things off the testes. I worry about torsion and lymphatic ruptures and varicoseals and things.

1:03:48 Drew No, they're experts, please. Dallas, what do you do with the rubber band in the testicle?

1:03:53 Guest Well, I don't use rubber band.

1:03:54 Drew Oh, you don't?

1:03:55 Guest No.

1:03:56 Drew What do you use?

1:03:57 Guest Suede.

1:03:57 Drew Oh, suede.

1:03:58 Guest Suede strips.

1:03:59 Drew And you tie them off?

1:04:02 Guest It's called a dick tie.

1:04:04 Drew Right.

1:04:05 Guest You can use that word.

1:04:06 Drew Yeah, I guess we can.

1:04:08 Adam There's a little tuxedo clip.

1:04:10 Drew Yeah. You use a cummerbund, too, across the sac. And so that goes across the penis.

1:04:16 Guest Well, it's one of two ways. First, what I call it is the first tie separates the penis from the testicles.

1:04:23 Drew Right.

1:04:24 Guest And then you can separate each testicle.

1:04:27 Drew Oh, you can. How do you do that one?

1:04:30 Adam Yeah, you can do that.

1:04:31 Drew Oh, you can.

1:04:33 Guest It's hard to say it with words. I could show you with the piece of suede.

1:04:36 Drew You can tie off each testicle. But you don't have to go around through the ass cracking over the top of the head.

1:04:42 Adam Why don't you step out and show us on Adam, just for the sake of demonstration?

1:04:47 Guest It's called a Roman tie, by the way.

1:04:48 Drew That is. Everything weird. They just put the word Roman in front of it and all of a sudden we know what it means.

1:04:54 Adam Speaking of that, I find it fascinating. I was looking at some of the columns we've got about these topics. Every single column is from California.

1:04:59 Drew Oh, really?

1:05:00 Adam Isn't that interesting?

1:05:00 Drew Yeah. Well, that's where the business is. Angela?

1:05:06 Andrea.

1:05:07 Drew Oh, Andrea. All right, Andrea, you're 22. What's up?

1:05:10 Caller Well, on my wedding night, I tied my husband up. We got married when I was 19 or 18. Almost 19 and he did not like it. So it's been four years that we've been married and he's kind of hinting that he's interested in it again. I want to know what I can do to slowly build him into it without scaring him again and going on a four-year dry spell.

1:05:33 Drew Elizabeth has a, Lady Elizabeth has an answer for this.

1:05:36 Guest Okay, we have a lot of couples that come in with this specific problem where one of them wants is into this and wants to bring the other couple in. And what I've done is I have a 280 special over there where the people come in, the couples come in, and they usually take a dominant sub in with them, and they get oriented. They learn how to use the equipment and it's a gradual introduction to, I've had people come in that thought they were dominant and came out and said, God, I'm submissive. And we've had couples that have gone a role reversal. The girl thought she was submissive and she wound up being dumb and the husband was submissive. But this is a good orientation and it's you have somebody.

1:06:09 Caller What is that? Well, my husband is in New Orleans. So I'm visiting my sister here and I'm going home to New Orleans.

1:06:14 Guest Oh, I'm sorry.

1:06:15 Guest Well, another thing.

1:06:17 Drew Well, what advice could you give?

1:06:18 Guest Miss? Are you there?

1:06:20 Adam Angela or Andrea.

1:06:21 Guest Andrea, I'm sorry. This is Miss.

1:06:22 Caller Andrea.

1:06:24 Guest Another thing, you said he was uncomfortable the first time you tied him up. He was scared. Well, yes, there has to be a lot of trust.

1:06:31 Drew I married this nut job. That's what the scared part was.

1:06:34 Guest Trust is a very important part of this. What you may do the second time you may bring it up with him, put him in bondage that he himself can get out of if he gets stressed or if he gets a little nervous. Don't make it so tight that he needs you to get him out. Make it like mock bondage where he can get out if he wants to get out and then the trust will come when he really, you know, do you see what I'm saying?

1:07:03 Caller He's been hinting that he's kind of interested in it again. So that's what I was saying.

1:07:07 Drew Well, if he's hinting, then he probably...

1:07:09 Guest I think the best thing for that is education. There are a lot of good books out there that you can get. Like there's one, well, I can't really, I don't know if I could say the title on radio so I won't, but there are a lot of good books out there.

1:07:20 Drew Go ahead.

1:07:21 Guest Go ahead. It's called, Screw the Roses, Just Send Me the Thorns, which is a really good book. And there's a lot of books out there that you can get and for him to read and for him to be comfortable in his skin about this. And education is the most important thing if you're gonna bring this into your relationship. You have to be well educated about what it is you want and where you're gonna go with it.

1:07:42 Drew Let Mistress Adam say something for a second. If this guy knows you're capable of tying somebody up, you've already done it to him.

1:07:52 Caller Yes. Well he married a Marine so I thought he knew right off the bat.

1:07:56 Drew Right. And he would not hint around if in fact he's hinting, but he would not do anything close to hinting if it's something in a place he didn't want to go because he knows you can go there. So if he's hinting, you should be halfway home with him.

1:08:10 Guest Meet him at the door, black leather and a crop.

1:08:12 Caller Right. Okay.

1:08:16 Drew And get him liquored up a little too, that helps.

1:08:18 Guest No, no, no, no.

1:08:19 Drew Little booze, little booze. Take the edge off. Nothing wrong with that. Smooth them out. Just smooth out some of the bumps.

1:08:25 Adam What about people that...

1:08:26 Guest Drinking and drugs don't go along with this lifestyle. No, it doesn't.

1:08:30 Adam What about people that get going down the fetish track and it becomes necessary for their sexual functioning? They're stuck with it. Bad thing, good thing.

1:08:39 Guest Becomes an obsession?

1:08:40 Adam No, but some people, a true fetish theoretically there should be something that somebody needs in order to function sexually. They can't function without it. Do you think there's any sort of?

1:08:50 Drew Well, it limits you a little bit.

1:08:51 Adam But do you think that people should be cautious before going down these paths?

1:08:54 Guest Well, I think it is something that they do that's going to make them happy. As long as it's not hurting anybody and they're comfortable with their fetish, I don't see anything wrong with it.

1:09:02 Adam If anything, I want to be dominated.

1:09:04 Drew Dr. Drew, please. Julie?

1:09:05 Yes.

1:09:06 Drew You're 27.

1:09:07 Caller Yes, I am.

1:09:08 Drew What's up?

1:09:09 Caller Well, the only time I've ever had an orgasm is during sex. I can't give myself one during masturbation.

1:09:17 Drew Right.

1:09:17 Caller And I have never gotten one during oral sex.

1:09:21 Adam And I would say... This kind of situation, what you're describing in yourself, women that have that are often multi-orgasmic. Is that you?

1:09:29 Caller Multi-orgasmic? Definitely.

1:09:31 Adam Yeah.

1:09:32 Caller I can have one right after the other.

1:09:34 Adam Yeah. During sex, though, only. Yeah.

1:09:36 Caller Only.

1:09:36 Drew Well, listen, count yourself amongst the lucky because I think you can figure out the masturbation and the oral sex at some point. A lot of women never get the orgasm with the intercourse, and so you're a step up. Yeah.

1:09:50 Adam Just consider yourself lucky.

1:09:51 Caller Well, it would be nice, though, to be able to have an orgasm or give myself one.

1:09:56 Drew Yeah. Well, you ever try to vibrate her? Something that could be sold at the gift shop, if in fact you would open one.

1:10:03 Guest At the online store.

1:10:04 Caller I mean, is it okay to only get an orgasm?

1:10:08 Adam Yes, Julie, I don't know why women have to sort of feel inadequate if they don't measure up to what Cosmo says they should be. You're great.

1:10:15 Caller It's the clitoris thing. I just...

1:10:17 Adam No, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're way above your...

1:10:19 Drew What did she say about the vibrator?

1:10:22 Adam She's concerned she can't have clitoral orgasm unless she's been reading too much Cosmo.

1:10:25 Drew Yeah. Just get yourself a vibrator. Give that a try.

1:10:28 Caller Okay, I will.

1:10:29 Drew Yeah, that'll work for you. All right. There you go. And get some heroin while you're at it because you'll never get off that thing.

1:10:36 Caller Unacceptable.

1:10:37 Drew That's it. True. There really should be a 12-step program for chicks with vibrators. Really try to wean them off that vibrator. Yeah. Some sort of...

1:10:46 Adam Maybe just some laws.

1:10:47 Drew Frozen methadone they could put up them or something. I mean, it really is... It's a very slippery slope, that vibrator thing. Once they get into that, that's it. They're done with men. The only way they can have an orgasm is at the 5,500 RPM. Eve?

1:11:03 Howdy.

1:11:04 Drew You're 19.

1:11:05 Caller Yes, I am.

1:11:05 Drew What's up?

1:11:07 Caller I wanted to know how somebody goes about, like, training to become, like, a dominatrix. I've been dominant mostly with men in my sexual life, but my jobs suck. And it sounds like that's a lot of fun.

1:11:19 Drew Well, how do you pick up new recruits?

1:11:21 Guest Basically, if you've not done this professionally, and I can only speak for my facility, I require a dominatrix is to have an extensive amount of experience.

1:11:31 Drew Where do you get it?

1:11:33 Guest You start as a submissive. You come in and you start as a submissive. The best way to learn to be a good top is to be a good bottom.

1:11:38 Adam Do you train them?

1:11:39 Guest Submissive, yes. Dominatrix is no, but submissives we train, yes.

1:11:43 Drew What if someone came in and said, I have experience as a dominatrix?

1:11:48 Guest I test their skills.

1:11:49 Guest We have auditions.

1:11:50 Drew Yeah, how does that go?

1:11:51 Guest We do an audition.

1:11:52 Drew You got like an open crop night or?

1:11:54 Guest No, we use one of our submissive women.

1:11:57 Guest Or one of the submissive, one of my slaves.

1:11:59 Drew They go in there.

1:12:00 Guest Then one of the doms or dominatrix's watch watches their technique to see if they know what they're doing.

1:12:06 Drew You don't need an hour session to figure that out.

1:12:08 Guest No, generally five minutes through the door. I know if you know what you're doing.

1:12:12 Drew Yeah. I really think I could handle that. I'd like to come in there and audition. I think I could do it.

1:12:18 Guest Female only.

1:12:19 Caller I'd like to top you, Adam.

1:12:21 Drew Hey, what?

1:12:22 Caller You want to top me?

1:12:24 Guest You go, girl.

1:12:26 Guest You're on the right track.

1:12:28 Drew Yeah. I think I'd be all right being dominated, although I'd be kind of boring because I'd be like a lazy dog, which just didn't really do anything. Yeah.

1:12:38 Adam You barely. She'd say, roll over. You're like, huh? See, I was like.

1:12:44 Drew Christ, didn't we do that one again? All right. Hey, Eve.

1:12:47 Caller Yeah.

1:12:48 Drew All right. So you're okay? How's your relationships?

1:12:51 Caller They're fine. Yeah.

1:12:54 Caller All right.

1:12:55 Caller When I have them, they're good.

1:12:56 Drew What do you do for living now just because it'll be funny?

1:13:00 Caller I'm a software engineer.

1:13:01 Drew Yeah. You want to break off and get into chase, follow your muse as it were.

1:13:06 Caller Well, computers can only be so interesting. I live in the Silicon Valley and it's just really.

1:13:12 Drew Well, listen, you're close to San Francisco.

1:13:15 Adam You're 19. Did you go to college already?

1:13:18 Caller Yeah. I graduated high school when I was 15. I graduated after my sophomore year.

1:13:21 Drew Wow.

1:13:21 Adam Where did you go to college?

1:13:23 Caller What?

1:13:23 Adam Where did you go to college?

1:13:24 Caller I went to Santa Clara University.

1:13:26 Drew So why don't you pack your bags, head into the city, get a nice submissive gig, train under the guiding hand of strangers who are beating your ass, and then weave your way into the dominatrix role?

1:13:41 Guest Well, sometimes, Adam, if you call independent dominatrixes, especially up in San Francisco, they sometimes will take on apprentices. If you don't want to go the submissive route, and some ladies don't, some women cannot do it for psychological reasons or because of things in their past, they can't go that route. But there are some dominatrixes that will take you on as an apprentice and train you personally.

1:14:02 Caller Can I look in the phone book for that?

1:14:04 Guest Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'm sure they have adult papers up there. I'm not too familiar with the publications. Check that way. But like I said, I know there's some independents down here in LA that do that too. So not a lot, but some of them that do, and the ones that do are very good.

1:14:18 Drew Dominatrix assistant, could you imagine?

1:14:21 Guest That's how you learn.

1:14:22 Drew I need you to pick up my dry cleaning, take the dog for a walk, then go by the shoe repair place. They're just yelling at you the whole time. Oh, that would be such a horrible job.

1:14:36 Guest He needs pink dye.

1:14:37 Drew I couldn't imagine.

1:14:38 Guest You need pink dye.

1:14:40 Drew And what, if you were in training, would you be in a session, I imagine?

1:14:45 Guest Yes, you go in, you observe, you assist, you ask questions, you learn.

1:14:48 Drew But wouldn't the guy who was paying for it They love that.

1:14:51 Guest It's like getting sugar for the price of one.

1:14:53 Guest Really?

1:14:53 Guest Yeah, absolutely.

1:14:54 Drew Oh, nice. Yeah, that's why I need like a nice green rookie to come in there, you know? New brooms, we just clean.

1:15:00 Adam Good time.

1:15:01 Drew All right, let's take ourselves a little break. Drew is looking at pointing at something. I don't know what he's pointing at. What is that, Drew?

1:15:08 Adam Until next call.

1:15:09 Drew All right. We'll do that after this.

1:15:15 Caller Um, back in a minute.

1:15:45 Caller This is Pamela Lee, and you're listening to Loveline with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

1:15:50 Drew There you go. The female female impersonator. Mistress Dallas, Lady Elizabeth, and Submissive Cindy are all here tonight. We're talking about BDS and M, and you can find these gals at the Passive Arts Center, which is a studio, a center is better. Sounds more official somehow. Over by LAX and 7,000 square feet of dungeon. Really, you don't find that much dungeon these days. Usually people, but still not a dungeon to me because it's not subterranean. The dungeon to me must be dug out. It has to be in a hole.

1:16:34 Adam In limestone.

1:16:34 Drew No windows, that means a crappy apartment.

1:16:36 Adam Leaky limestone.

1:16:37 Drew Yes, leaky limestone. Thank you, Drew. And while you're there, you can visit the sensory deprivation room.

1:16:45 Guest It's also the interrogation room.

1:16:46 Drew Oh, how does that work? Let's talk about the interrogation room.

1:16:49 Guest The interrogation room is a small cubicle. It's painted black. I mean, there's one little dangling light bulb in there. We do a lot of electrical in there. We do a lot of sessions that involve electrical. It's a whole scenario where it starts in one of the rooms where he's a spy and he's caught and he's not going to confess. We drag him across into the interrogation room and we, so to speak, torture him into speaking and getting up the secrets. It's a very popular scenario.

1:17:19 Drew How's the electricity work in?

1:17:24 Guest The electrical we use, we use it very safely. We know exactly where to apply it. We know how much to apply. I mean, it's mostly used for a jolt as opposed to hurt somebody.

1:17:33 Drew How do you apply it?

1:17:34 Guest We have what is called a violet wand and we also use TENS units.

1:17:39 Drew What units?

1:17:40 Guest TENS units.

1:17:41 Drew What are TENS units?

1:17:42 Guest TENS units are like, they're little electrical units and they have little pads on it and the pads, when the electrical pulse goes through, it grabs. They grab?

1:17:50 Drew Really?

1:17:50 Guest It's like a grabby thing, yeah.

1:17:52 Caller Wow.

1:17:54 Drew What did they make those for originally?

1:17:56 Guest For therapy.

1:17:57 Adam Pain control.

1:17:57 Guest Pain control and therapy, yeah.

1:17:59 Drew Oh, really?

1:18:00 Guest You go to a chiropractor, you go to a physical therapist and they'll put a TENS machine on you.

1:18:03 Drew Oh, you mean all these things, all the little?

1:18:05 Guest These are all medical, yeah.

1:18:06 Adam Well, you probably never seen one of these.

1:18:08 Drew I don't think I have.

1:18:09 Adam You can wear them all the time for low levels. The theory is, as I remembered, it was counter-regulatory mechanisms for pain.

1:18:18 Drew So draw the pain over to another part of your body?

1:18:21 Adam It was meant to be painful. It was just meant to redirect some of the electrical activity.

1:18:25 Drew I see.

1:18:26 Adam All right.

1:18:27 Drew Nice. You give them the prod in the genitalia?

1:18:30 Guest No cattle prods.

1:18:31 Drew No cattle prods? No. How about a bang stick where you take that shotgun shell? No.

1:18:36 Guest No. Okay. All right.

1:18:38 Drew Well, you want to get the guy to talk, you give them the bang stick.

1:18:41 Guest Oh, we have our ways.

1:18:43 Guest What in castration generally gets them to talk?

1:18:45 Drew When they start talking, since they're not real spies, what do they have to talk about?

1:18:54 Guest They come up with a scenario that this is what they've done, like they've tried to assassinate the prime minister of a third world country.

1:18:59 Drew I see.

1:18:59 Guest And we have to tell them to say who their partners in crime are, and they have to give up these names. I also had a client that used to be a member of MI5, and he informed me of all kinds of little things that you can do without leaving any marks.

1:19:13 Drew What's MI5?

1:19:14 Guest British Intelligence.

1:19:15 Drew Oh, really? I didn't know it was called MI5. Interesting.

1:19:19 Guest MI5 or MI6, one or the other?

1:19:21 Drew I thought it was a group with Tito and Germaine. No. Okay. All right. Hey, Drew, we had our caller drop off there. Drew's favorite call tonight just dropped off. Cheryl?

1:19:32 Caller Hi there.

1:19:32 Drew You're 23?

1:19:33 Caller I am.

1:19:34 Drew What's up?

1:19:36 Caller I am getting into the lifestyle, and I wanted to say good evening to the lady and mistress.

1:19:42 Guest Good evening.

1:19:43 Guest Good evening.

1:19:44 Caller I was wondering-

1:19:45 Adam Is that some kind of code for something?

1:19:47 Drew You don't say hi to Cindy, you need a submissive, though, right?

1:19:51 Guest No.

1:19:52 Drew You wouldn't say hi to her?

1:19:53 Guest No.

1:19:53 Drew Okay. Forget her.

1:19:55 Guest She's respectful.

1:19:56 Drew I see. Alright, Cheryl, go ahead.

1:19:58 Caller Um, actually, I had heard about to be a good top, you had to be a good bottom, so I'm coming in as a sub. I actually had my first real session this evening.

1:20:10 Drew Sub's short for submissive, by the way, and the top and the bottom means in order to learn how to be the dominatrix, you need to be the submissive for a while, learn the trade. All right, so keep going.

1:20:21 Caller I was curious how one should look about going into a lifestyle.

1:20:30 Adam What does that mean?

1:20:31 Drew In what way?

1:20:32 As a submissive?

1:20:34 Caller I know obviously about safe words and...

1:20:37 Adam Wait, is your question how to go about it or what are their feelings about it when they did it?

1:20:42 Caller Both, actually.

1:20:43 Drew Well, you're saying you want to get a gig professionally?

1:20:46 Caller No. I want to... I'm just basically searching for information.

1:20:53 Guest Are you doing this professionally now or are you doing it like sort of independent on a personal level?

1:20:57 Caller Independent, personal level.

1:20:58 Guest Okay.

1:20:59 Drew And you want to... hold on. Cheryl, we have to narrow your question down to...

1:21:05 Adam To a question.

1:21:05 Drew To place the size of, let's say, China or the Soviet Union. Do you want some tips from the ladies about how you could turn it into a professional gig?

1:21:14 Adam Or how to get a partner to participate?

1:21:16 Caller No. What I'm looking for is what are things that I should look out for as for my limits.

1:21:22 Guest Oh, okay. I understand. I get what she's saying now. All right.

1:21:27 Drew I'd like to put a beaten on this show.

1:21:29 Guest One, we were talking about books earlier. Right. Make sure you're very well read about it. One, do not ever, ever play with someone you just first met. Like if you meet them in a fetish bar on Saturday night, don't play with them Saturday night. Treat it like if you were going to date the gentleman or the woman, however way you play your games. You know, make sure there's trust. There's got to be trust. You're turning over your body to them.

1:22:00 Caller Right.

1:22:00 Guest And, you know, don't, you know, this is not something that, you know, pussy-foot about.

1:22:04 Adam Do people prey upon people that get into this stuff?

1:22:06 Guest Absolutely.

1:22:07 Guest Absolutely.

1:22:08 Caller And there's a lot of flakes out there.

1:22:09 Guest There's a lot of fetish bars that are there and that's what happens there specifically. They'll go in and someone will be so submissive and a predator will go in and these, that's where people get hurt. That's where people get hurt.

1:22:21 Adam So how do they, how long do you date someone? Do you date them?

1:22:24 Guest Or like I'm saying, get to know the gentleman, talk to other people he may have played with. The community, I don't know where you live, but the community in Southern California, it's not, the fetish world is not that big of a community. So get in with somebody that is in the know that will direct you well.

1:22:43 Adam How many people do you think are in this area in Southern California?

1:22:46 Guest Not as many as what you would think. It's a very small.

1:22:50 Adam So the people that come to your club, but enough to sustain a club.

1:22:53 Guest Are you talking about clients or professionals?

1:22:56 Adam Well, what are you talking about?

1:22:56 Drew Well, we're talking about the community as a whole.

1:22:59 Adam People that go and serve in the service.

1:23:01 Drew No, it's more than I think. I think about nine people in the Southern California area would be into it.

1:23:07 Adam It's more than that.

1:23:09 Guest It's more than that. But it is a small community and we do treat it like a family.

1:23:15 Drew But you know, if you've been in it long enough, just like any sport, hobby, whatever, you kind of tend to run across the same people, you know them, certain people have different reputations.

1:23:28 Guest When I go out, I go to fetish bars.

1:23:30 Adam These guys hang out at these little airplanes. They run model airplanes.

1:23:36 Drew Hey, Drew, that's a legitimate sport. That's no fetish there. She tries to make fun of me flying my model airplanes. I'll tell you, that's a sport, ladies.

1:23:44 Adam No fetish, no hobby.

1:23:46 Drew That's a sport. Yeah, you do tend to run across the same guys. Yeah.

1:23:50 Adam Yeah, I was wondering if there's any overlap.

1:23:51 Drew Like anything. Like Drew, you hang out with guys who have been castrated and being dominated by their overbearing wives.

1:23:57 Guest But your best bet, make friends with the dominatrix. She will take care of you. It's our job to take care of some of these.

1:24:06 Drew Because I like to be punished once in a while too. Cheryl, did you get your questions answered?

1:24:13 Caller I think so for the most part. Do you have any specific safety precautions beyond getting to know the person? I mean, that's pretty much a prerequisite.

1:24:20 Drew Well, what do you want?

1:24:22 Guest Why don't we let Cindy answer that?

1:24:24 Drew Cindy, into the mic, though, please. Oh, not please. Now. Now, Max Schnell.

1:24:30 Caller No, please was nice. When you go to meet someone, it's best if you have a midnight call. So if you're meeting someone and you're playing with them for the first time, set up a friend that you call at a certain time. If you don't call them, have that friend have the address and the phone number of where you are. And that way...

1:24:56 Adam Then isn't it too late?

1:24:58 Drew Well, someone's got to give them proper burial and stuff.

1:25:01 Adam Find the pieces.

1:25:02 Drew Someone takes the corpse and dump it somewhere.

1:25:04 Caller Get to know his friends. Get to know his friends. If he's in the scene, if he plays, then he's probably in a circle of friends. And you learn a lot about the friends people keep.

1:25:15 Drew All right, Cheryl. It's just do your homework. All right?

1:25:18 Caller Definitely.

1:25:19 Drew All right. Good times there, baby. Good luck. Cheryl sounded like a pain in the ass, to tell you the truth. I don't think she'd be a good submissive.

1:25:28 Adam She didn't have a question.

1:25:30 Drew No. I don't think she'd do the submissive thing very long. I think she wanted to get in the dominatrix thing.

1:25:34 Caller Bryan?

1:25:37 Drew Bryan, you're 23. What's up?

1:25:39 Caller Well, I'm curious.

1:25:41 Caller Where would I go to meet some dominatrix? I don't feel like spending 160.

1:25:46 Caller I'd rather just get to know some people.

1:25:48 Adam He's running an AMPM right now.

1:25:50 Drew The Circle K ain't paying that well.

1:25:52 Caller LA is half right.

1:25:53 Caller I'm at the 7-Eleven.

1:25:55 Drew Yeah.

1:25:56 Guest LA is...

1:25:56 Adam I can hear people coming in the door.

1:25:57 Guest There's a lot of fetish bars where they can go. They can go to... Cinematic is on Saturday night, and they have the Dungeon, which is the Club Blue over on La Brea and... Las Palmas. Las Palmas. There's a lot of fetish bars. It's... Yeah, on Sunday night, it's the Dungeon.

1:26:12 Caller What was the first one?

1:26:13 Guest I think it's Club Blue, and the first one is Cinematic, which is Saturday night, which is the old peanuts, which is the peanuts on Santa Monica.

1:26:20 Drew Yeah. And then there's the old TGI Fridays, and I think the Ferrells that does...

1:26:26 Caller I think I went to that one already...

1:26:27 Drew .the Dungeon. And what... how do you dress when you go to one of those things?

1:26:32 Guest Like I'm dressed now.

1:26:34 Drew Black, leather?

1:26:35 Guest Black, leather, yeah. PVC, corsets.

1:26:37 Guest I wear a lot of corsets.

1:26:38 Adam BBC?

1:26:39 Drew Well, I don't think I look good in a corset. What would I wear? That's plastic.

1:26:42 Guest This is PVC, my skirt.

1:26:44 Drew Yeah.

1:26:45 Guest What would you wear?

1:26:46 Drew I make plumbing out of it.

1:26:47 Guest What do you, slacks, shirt, dark clothes? If you want to get black leather, the black shiny PVC, which is what people call patent leather. There's a lot of fetish clothes that you can get. There's a lot of stores on Hollywood Boulevard that can accommodate you. If you just take a look in their windows, it's amazing. Melrose especially.

1:27:04 Drew Absolutely. All right there, Bryan. All right. Good luck there. Thanks. Yeah. Have fun.

1:27:08 Adam Good times.

1:27:09 Drew Hey, Bryan. Bryan. Yeah. You're not really into this. You're just looking to get laid, right?

1:27:16 Caller Yes, that's pretty much it.

1:27:17 Drew Yeah, I could tell.

1:27:18 Guest Lots of luck. Lots of luck.

1:27:20 Guest Good luck to you, honey.

1:27:21 Drew I wasn't into it. He just said, look, here's some horny chicks. I'll show up at this bar and see if I can mop up.

1:27:26 Guest I don't think so.

1:27:27 Drew Yeah.

1:27:28 Guest I don't think so.

1:27:29 Guest That's not how dominatrix is.

1:27:31 Drew Right. But you understand to the lay person, especially the goofball who's over at the 7-Eleven in Burbank, this just sounds like easy pickings.

1:27:40 Guest Right.

1:27:40 Drew Why go over to the singles bar and get his ass kicked all night sending drinks out to God knows who, whose boyfriends show up 10 minutes later? Why not go to the dominatrix bar and see what you can scrape up? Because it sounds, to the lay person, it sounds like a sexual thing. I mean, it sounds like you're going to take this person home. Yeah, they smack your ass for a few minutes and then you get to nail them.

1:28:02 Guest See, that's what I find most amusing most of the time is that people that have never really been involved in the scene, they've never done this before, they don't know anybody who's been involved, they don't know who we are, what we are, and yet they sit on their fannies and they make judgmental calls about what we do for a living. That really frosts my fanny sometimes.

1:28:20 Drew Really? Is that good when your fanny gets frosted? Yeah. You got to understand.

1:28:25 Caller No, it's not.

1:28:27 Guest I'm being, that's not good.

1:28:28 Drew Not a good thing. No fanny frosting room?

1:28:31 Guest I'm being nice.

1:28:32 Guest Go ahead, I'm being nice.

1:28:33 Drew Another room to open up. You understand that when you get into this business, there's going to be a certain amount of ridicule that comes along with it.

1:28:42 Guest If you're going to pigeonhole somebody, at least know what you're talking about before you do it.

1:28:46 Drew No, that's no fun.

1:28:48 Caller Especially to the gentleman.

1:28:49 Drew When you pigeonhole, then you can't pigeonhole. You can't do your homework and pigeonhole.

1:28:54 Guest Then that's stupidity to me. Right.

1:28:56 Drew That's what I do. I do that.

1:28:57 Adam That's your job.

1:28:57 Drew That's my job.

1:28:58 Adam Be ignorant.

1:28:59 Drew Yeah.

1:29:00 Adam But first, we're going to go to break.

1:29:01 Caller Oh, yeah.

1:29:02 Drew Yeah. Pigeonholing, Drew. Let's go. I'm going to pigeonhole you in the bathroom right now.

1:29:07 Guest Here we go.

1:29:09 Drew Back in a minute. Hey, this riff, it's even got the ladies rocking in here. Mr. Staless, Lady Elizabeth, and Submissive Cindy are all here tonight from the Passive Arts Compound.

1:30:01 Guest Studio, the frost is coming.

1:30:04 Drew Look for the Adam Corolla Spankatorium edition. We're going to break ground, I think, this Saturday.

1:30:11 Adam The Jackatorium?

1:30:12 Drew Spankatorium, we're going to call it. Yeah, well, that's why we're going to give it a certain ambiguous title because we don't, first off, we don't want the man coming over and shutting us down. You understand? And again, this Saturday, groundbreaking, I'll be there with my golden shovel. I think Mayor Reardon will be there. We'll be doing a lot of glad handing. I think we're going to have the English Leather Girls there and the band Papa Do Run Run will be playing. They may even be there. So it's going to be quite a gale event. All right. Let's hop back on the phones and see if we can't learn some more. Craig?

1:30:51 Caller Yeah.

1:30:52 Drew You're 29?

1:30:54 Caller Yeah.

1:30:54 Drew What's happening?

1:30:55 Caller Well, I was just listening to you guys and Drew said that the only people that were calling up were from California. So I thought I'd bring some Oregon to the show. And also I wanted to, you were talking to one of the mistresses earlier about her boyfriend. And I wanted to bring up that my wife spent some time as a dominatrix while we were together.

1:31:18 Adam While you were together, what does that mean?

1:31:20 Caller Well, we are together now. I just wanted to say it wasn't like before we were together.

1:31:24 Adam It was during the time that you were together?

1:31:26 Caller Yes.

1:31:26 Adam And Adam asked the question, how does that work for the boyfriend? So how did that work for you?

1:31:32 Caller Well, it was kind of like a day-to-day sort of thing. You know, I was there when she was, we were talking about it while she was deciding whether or not she wanted to try it out. And at that point, I didn't know anything about the dominant world at all. So, you know, I said, well, well, let's try it for a day. Let's see what happens. So she went for, you know, day one. And my main concern was whether or not she would be, you know, emotionally, how emotionally involved she would get.

1:32:02 Drew Yeah.

1:32:04 Caller You know, how much of her sexual needs would be taken care of, because I didn't know any. Right.

1:32:10 Drew Well, what happened?

1:32:11 Caller Well, she went and she was really nervous. They put her in there day one. And so they asked her, they stuck her in there by herself.

1:32:22 Drew Really? They didn't, no, no training, no, no rehearsal.

1:32:27 Caller Well, she went in to just to observe. And they said they had a guy that was a regular that called up. And they told him over the phone that they had a newbie in. And he was just in the, you know, for observing. And he said, well, you know, if it's all right, could I, you know, could I have her, you know, to myself?

1:32:49 Drew Oh, the ladies are shaking their head. None of this nonsense would go on in the pony room, especially. Please.

1:32:56 Adam I'd ruin the carriage.

1:32:57 Drew I'd ruin the harnesses.

1:32:58 Caller And also recognize that you're getting this, you know, second hand from, you know, from me. And this is sort of how I was understanding the story.

1:33:05 Adam But the question really was, how did it feel to be involved with someone who was doing this for their living? How did you deal with that?

1:33:11 Caller Well, I guess, I guess, as I said, you know, when she would come home, I'd ask her, you know, how was it? And, you know, every day she would she would have had, you know, different experiences with with guys, you know, leading them around on leases or.

1:33:22 Adam Yeah. And to reiterate the question for the third time. Tell Craig where my finger is. Adam's finger is hovering over your button here. And if you don't answer this basic question, which was how did it feel being involved with someone that was doing that as a profession?

1:33:38 Caller How did it feel? That's the question. It felt, you know, it was it was scary. It felt, you know, I felt very vulnerable.

1:33:48 Caller OK.

1:33:50 Drew And is this someone you're still with? Or you say this was your answer?

1:33:52 Adam They're married.

1:33:53 Drew No, they're married. Yeah, we're not quite figured out.

1:33:55 Adam How did you get through all that?

1:33:57 Caller I, you know, I check with her every day. You know, how how how are you?

1:34:01 Adam But how did you resolve all those ambivalent feelings?

1:34:03 Caller How did I resolve it with myself? Yeah. I basically had to sit down and look and see was anything she was doing was that encroaching on you?

1:34:13 Adam All right, let me answer it for you. He made her stop.

1:34:15 Drew Did you make her stop?

1:34:16 Caller No, not at all.

1:34:17 Drew Well, did she still do it?

1:34:19 Caller What's that?

1:34:20 Drew Did she still do it?

1:34:21 Caller No, we were in New York and we moved back to Oregon.

1:34:23 Drew Why did she stop?

1:34:25 Caller Because she was working with a dungeon in New York.

1:34:29 Drew Well, they have dungeons in Oregon, I imagine, right?

1:34:33 Caller Probably not.

1:34:34 Drew With better coffee. No, really? No dungeons in Oregon?

1:34:38 Guest Not to speak of, no.

1:34:39 Drew Holy Christ.

1:34:40 Guest Independence, but no.

1:34:41 Drew True.

1:34:41 Guest Independence.

1:34:42 Drew Go to Oregon, dig dungeon, write that down. Mop up on all those nut jobs up there. No, no offense, the latest, please. I meant the Oregon ones, yeah. Craig?

1:34:53 Caller Yeah.

1:34:53 Drew All right, so she's out and she don't want to get back in.

1:34:55 Caller She would like to get back in. That was going to be one of my questions.

1:34:57 Drew Oh, okay.

1:34:58 Caller How could, since her only experience was working through a dungeon with more experienced mistresses who knew the business and had the dungeon already established.

1:35:08 Drew Is there nothing going on in Oregon? I mean, there's no scene over there?

1:35:12 Guest There's a publication that you can get called the DDI, the Dominant Directory International, but there's two segments, the European and the United States version, and if there are any dominatrixes in Oregon, they'll be listed in there, and the best thing for her to do is to call. Like I said before, a lot of times these independents in places like Oregon, there's so few and far between that they need extra people, so they will take on extra women to work for them.

1:35:34 Adam How do they know if they're breaking the law or anything like that?

1:35:37 Guest Well that's the lady's business to find, like I tell my ladies, I tell them what the law is so that they know it out here, that the lady that's in charge, that's her place to make sure that the people that work for her know exactly what the law says they can do and what they can't do.

1:35:49 Drew What state is this not so big in, like Utah?

1:35:53 Guest Oh Utah, forget it.

1:35:54 Guest Forget it, we get a lot of Mormons.

1:35:56 Guest Oh yeah.

1:35:57 Guest We get a lot of Mormons.

1:35:58 Guest And a lot of the Midwest states too, like on the Fetish Online store, there's a column in there called Ask Lady Elizabeth, and I get a lot of private emails from couples like in Nebraska and Iowa and Kansas that want to introduce this into their personal life and they want to know how to do it.

1:36:13 Drew Do you think it's funny? Because on our website, we have a spot that says don't ask Adam any more goddamn questions. And that's where people will then not ask me questions. And then I in turn will respond. It's been working out.

1:36:27 Adam They could just write in for abuse.

1:36:28 Guest Can I say something back to Craig if he's still listening out there? Yes, he is listening. He said, you know, he wondered if she would be getting her sexual fulfillment on the job and not coming home to him or whatever. Or would she get attached to her submissives that she saw? I can't speak for his wife, I can only speak for myself. But I'm very attached to the men I call my pets. There are only three of them. And yeah, I mean...

1:36:57 Drew Oh, there's only three pets? The others are just guys who float in and flow down?

1:37:01 Guest Yeah, these are like...

1:37:02 Drew You have your three regulars.

1:37:03 Guest They're my favorite. They, you know, I like them as people. I mean, I hang out and talk with them.

1:37:09 Drew You know, you ought to call them your pretties. Remember the witch in Wizard of Oz?

1:37:14 Guest Sarah's my pretty, I guess.

1:37:16 Guest Sarah's definitely your pretty.

1:37:17 Guest Sarah's my pretty.

1:37:18 Adam Wouldn't that upset a partner?

1:37:21 Guest This is how I handled it when I did have a boyfriend. One, my very last boyfriend, who was two years ago. I haven't had a boyfriend in the last two years. I met him as a submissive. Biggest mistake of my life. Yeah. I met him as a client, and then...

1:37:37 Adam Crossover.

1:37:38 Guest Right. I would never do that again. No.

1:37:40 Adam Against your rules.

1:37:41 Drew Yeah. Now you don't do it. You got to meet him as a dominatrix, not as a submissive.

1:37:46 Guest No, I met him as a dominatrix.

1:37:47 Drew He came in as a submissive.

1:37:48 Guest He was your submissive.

1:37:49 Drew And then what? He just basically wanted free beatings from that point on, right?

1:37:53 Guest Well, you know, to tell you the truth, one of the biggest problems in our life outside of there, well, he was a complete asshole. Can I say that? Sure. Second thing was that there are sometimes I don't want to be Mistress Dallas for five minutes, and if you're constantly needing me to make every decision for you, it's irritating to me. It's like, then I become mommy, and I don't want to be mommy.

1:38:16 Adam Of course, what he wants, though.

1:38:18 Guest Oh, yeah.

1:38:19 Drew You should have seen that one coming, though. I got news for you, mommy.

1:38:21 Guest Yeah, but it was all about always about playing. He always wanted to be beat.

1:38:26 Guest Yeah, but if I can say sometimes the thing that's right in front of our face is we can't just see. We just don't see it.

1:38:31 Guest Right.

1:38:32 Drew Unless it's a moth or something. We are talking about emotional stuff.

1:38:35 Guest But if I had a boyfriend, I don't talk about my clients with my boyfriend. I don't talk about my boyfriend with my clients.

1:38:40 Guest I have two pretties and I would never go there with them. Never.

1:38:43 Drew All right, my pretties.

1:38:44 Adam If anything, I want to be dominated.

1:38:46 Drew Drew, hold on. The mic's not off yet. We're going to break. Now we're going to break. And well, there you go. Two hours gone by, and just the crack of a rider's crap really, really flew by. I want to thank Dallas, Elisabeth, and submissive Cindy for coming in here tonight, and shedding some light on this stuff. Drew, I can officially say I know 10,000% more about the BDSM than I did before the night began.

1:39:56 Adam More about the human being as a result.

1:39:58 Drew Yes, in the Pony Room. I won't soon forget our time in the Pony Room.

1:40:01 Caller Oh my God.

1:40:02 Drew Thanks, ladies.

1:40:03 Caller Thank you.

1:40:05 Drew It was enlightening. Poor guy. Staying tomorrow night, and until next time, this Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew is saying, mahalo. Now, Cindy, now.

1:40:13 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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