Episode 1000754886966

0:58 Voiceover Sexually oriented content, content. Listener discretion is advised.

1:08 Voiceover Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, coast to coast.

1:13 Voiceover Yep, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla, it's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191, fax number.

1:23 Drew 31085-4.

1:23 Adam No, we don't have, Drew, when's the last time you saw a goddamn fax in this place?

1:27 Drew When are we going to set up that cool e-mail that we were going to have?

1:31 Can we do that?

1:32 Yeah, that's good.

1:34 Drew Do we have something like that?

1:35 Adam Hey, Drew, I got another hypothetical. I got another question for you. When are we going to get some popcorn in the vending machine? When are we going to get cups? When are we going to get new microphones? When are you going to do anything? Thank you.

1:49 Drew You know we could do it, why don't you?

1:51 Adam Shut up. It's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla, that's the ever hopeful and vigilant Dr. Drew, over there. I already gave the phone number out. All right, tonight what we're going to do is we're going to talk about the morning after pill and other forms of birth control, I believe, but more specifically the morning after pill. A lot of controversy about this pill. It's relatively new, even though the drug itself isn't new, but the notion of the morning after pill is new. It's something that we talk about a lot.

2:22 Drew It was first described when you were like 11th grade. But, aside from that.

2:26 Adam You haven't heard about it. I mean, most people listening have not heard about the morning after pill or at least something called the morning after pill until maybe the last couple of years.

2:35 Drew That's true.

2:36 Adam And they probably haven't heard about it unless they're listening to this show.

2:39 Drew That could well be.

2:40 Adam Because I haven't heard it. And when we listen, we don't try to cop things that we don't do on this show. But one thing we do talk about is the morning after pill. And I don't hear that on other shows. And I don't like that. I wish other people would talk about it. Nancy Sasaki is our guest tonight. She's the CEO and president of Planned Parenthood LA. And Jenny Biondi is here as well. She's executive director of the Right to Life in Southern California. And I'm guessing you two are coming down on different sides of this issue. Am I right?

3:15 Guest I think you're right.

3:17 Guest Absolutely.

3:18 Adam So, now, our feeling has always been that the morning after pill is not an abortion pill. Therefore, it's not as controversial as people may think it is. But what is your opposition to it, Jenny?

3:33 Guest Well, the morning after pill seems to work in two ways. One is it may prevent or delay ovulation. In that case, it would be a contraceptive. However, there's really only a very small window of time during a woman's monthly cycle, when it would act in that way. And its second mechanism, which is the more common...

3:57 Drew The rest of the month, it wouldn't have to work at all, because there's no egg available.

4:01 Guest Well, actually, the second mechanism of the drug, as you know, Dr. Drew, it's a high dose of birth control pills, is to irritate the lining of the uterus. So, in the larger number of cases, if it works, which is a big if, its mechanism is that it's preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus. So, at that point, it would be 5 to 7 days old. So, that would be considered a chemical abortion of about a one-week-old tiny embryo. So, it's a chemical abortion in many cases.

4:39 Adam All right. But I'm still for it, you know.

4:44 Guest Actually, I think that that really comes to the heart of the abortion issue many times. It's when people define when life begins. What Jenny is saying is that in her definition, life begins at the moment of conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg. In our opinion and apparently for most of the medical opinion, pregnancy begins when the egg is fertilized and implants into the lining of the uterus. And that's when pregnancy begins. So I think that it brings it back to why it's an individual decision. Because what people believe in terms of when life begins for their own selves, because of their religion, because of their medical beliefs, helps to determine whether or not they can get to the sake of argument.

5:26 Adam I've said many a time, life begins when you learn to program the VCR.

5:30 Drew Yeah, so you and I are both done for.

5:31 Adam Technically, no, we have not been born yet, Drew. We have not started the clock. You idiot.

5:36 Drew Oh, I see.

5:37 Adam Use your brain.

5:37 Drew This is good. All right, go ahead. For the sake of discussion, let's say that we could all point at the egg meeting the sperm as a point of conception that everyone would universally agree upon as a point of life beginning.

5:51 Guest I can't go there.

5:53 Drew But no, no, but I mean as a...

5:55 Adam Jumping off point for an argument.

5:56 Drew As a jumping off point for discussion. Now, I understand the implantation is an issue for you, but wouldn't it be the case that if you could show that implantation is not affected by the morning after pill or not significantly probably affected by it, that that would be a way of preventing abortion? If it just really, really worked by preventing ovulation?

6:15 Guest I think that's the key, the absolute key question.

6:18 Drew So if you looked at the science, and the science proved that the effectiveness of that pill was caused by it's suppression of ovulation, and there'd be a theoretic possibility of it interfering with implantation, would that be a sufficient reason to support that pill? The science would suggest that it suppresses ovulation, that's how it works, but there's still a theoretic possibility of it interfering with implantation.

6:45 Guest Dr. Drew, the morning after pill is not going to reduce the number of abortions. Right now we have over 4,000 abortions a day in the United States, a day, 1.3 million surgical abortions according to the Centers for Disease Control. So there's a lot of abortion going on. With the morning after pill, we're not going to see a reduction in surgical abortions.

7:11 Adam Well, how do you know that?

7:12 Guest Because the morning after pill is just another fuel of these destructive behaviors that we're seeing. And we've already got 80 sexually transmitted diseases. And we've got teenagers now relying.

7:27 Adam Drew's had 75 of those easily, maybe 77.

7:31 Guest There's no evidence that we're going to see less girls having abortions if we make the morning after pill readily available. Plus, there's a lot of health concerns about women swallowing high doses of birth control pills.

7:45 Adam But, you know, to me this sounds like, by the way, I don't want to just turn into us picking on Jenny, but the argument in general reminds me a lot of the gun control arguments where I used to hear 15 or 20 years ago, which was we got to slow down with these handguns. Too many people are getting hold of the handguns. And the NRA would say, the handguns aren't the problem. If you stop handguns, it's not going to stop crime, basically. But to me, I always figured it would because it was sort of a math thing to me. The less people that are holding the guns, the less shootings we're going to have. And it's the same to me with abortions. The more people that have access to this plan, the less surgical abortions they're going to be. I mean, it seems like a math equation to me. Maybe morally it's not a great deal, but that's not for us to judge.

8:36 Drew Well, no, if it is, if our desire is for them to have less, to attack teenage sexual behaviors, which I'm all for, let's lay off this product, because this product may be the one solution we have to reducing abortions. Because the science is overwhelmingly, I mean, I just met one doctor one morning at the library, and there's no evidence that it impairs implantation, any more than the birth control pill used normally, any more than Vioxx, any more than Celebrex. There's many medicines out there that impair implantation that are prescribed by the millions every day. And for one, I don't know what people aren't getting on those medicines. If you want to eliminate all birth control and eliminate all anti-inflammatories that could impair implantation, then I'm for that. Well, you're not QA'd. No, I know.

9:20 Adam Then you're with our argument.

9:21 Drew I'm with your argument. I'm with you. But if you're not going to do that, then to pick on this product doesn't make any sense at all. Because I just pulled one article and underlined, there's just one review, underlined the basic premise there that.

9:36 Guest In Washington state, they have emergency contraception, which is what it's referred to a little bit more accurately because morning after pill implies that there's one pill that you take the morning after and it works, which it's not quite that.

9:48 Drew That's RU-46 really at that time.

9:50 Guest Yeah, well, and even that is not the morning after.

9:52 Drew People should understand, RU-46 is an abortion pill. That's an abortion pill. That works, that causes abortion. This is something totally different.

9:59 Guest Absolutely it is. In Washington state, they have a setup where a woman can go into a pharmacy and get emergency contraception because of a collaborative agreement that they have with a doctor. And they, in 13 months of its first, that project getting off, there were 9,300 some odd emergency contraception prescriptions given out. And they estimate that they prevented anywhere from slightly over 500 to 2,000 pregnancies from occurring, which means about half of those might have ended in a termination had those pregnancies been occurred.

10:31 Drew It's been used by the tens of millions of Europe for 20 years. There's never been a single, a single adverse effect from it, not one. There's no other medicine that can claim that.

10:38 Guest All right, I want to jump in here, Adam, if I can, because you said before, I don't want to pick on Jenny. And I want you to know that I think everybody in this room is looking to help women. And certainly we are. And, wait, let me-

10:53 Adam I'm looking out for myself, actually.

10:55 I got nothing to do with that.

10:56 Adam I look at every one of these abortions as one last thing stolen from me. I really do.

11:02 Guest Swallowing high doses of birth control pills. Look, in 1997, the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which is the research arm of Planned Parenthood. We know about the Alan Guttmacher Institute, and maybe you know about this one. Did a study on the morning after pill and asked their physicians, one third of the physicians they asked would consider the repeated use of the morning after pill, quote, risky.

11:28 Drew I agree. We all agree. They should not be used as a contraceptive. It should be alternative to contraception.

11:32 Guest There is absolutely no controls over how many times a young woman will go in and use this. Let me finish, Adam. There's we do not have any long term studies on the consequences to women in terms of increased risk of female cancers, including breast cancer. We know that women on birth control pills are at higher risk of contracting an STD and specifically of contracting the AIDS virus.

11:56 Adam That's because they're getting laid.

11:58 Guest No, we don't. No, it isn't because of that.

12:00 Adam Of course it is. What, are their immune systems weak because they're on the pill?

12:04 Guest It's because oral contraceptives reduce a naturally occurring chemical in a woman's body that nature puts there to help prevent infection. And it's a known fact. Planned Parenthood's own brochures tell you, if you're on the pill, just know you're at higher risk of contracting an STD.

12:20 Adam Right, because you're out having sex without a condom a lot of the time.

12:24 Guest OK, I just explained it medically, but OK, so we don't know.

12:29 Adam Let me answer this question as long as we're going to argue medically. Give me a percentage, give me a percentage, medically. Give me a percentage. How much weaker is a woman's immune system to fight off the AIDS virus? One who's on the pill is one who's not on the pill.

12:43 Guest Well, in Planned Parenthood's own literature, I don't have that statistic. I have a percentage.

12:48 Adam Why not?

12:49 Guest I don't have it. I just don't have it.

12:51 Adam Like, you know, I know why you don't have it. It's nothing. Well, if it was something, you'd have it. Don't you think so?

12:57 Guest No, Adam.

12:59 Adam If it was 50% more, don't you think you'd have it?

13:02 Guest Adam.

13:02 Adam Don't you think you'd have it if it was 50% more?

13:05 Guest Well, relax. Look, hey, hey, hey, hey, Adam.

13:08 Adam It's nothing.

13:09 Guest Yeah. Okay. So I'm a woman, I'm supposed to swallow birth control pill, keep condoms in my purse when I go on a date and lubricants, get to the health clinic for periodic exams for my STDs, because I can still catch one. And if I forget to take that birth control pill to take the morning after pill, and if I get pregnant anyway, schedule my abortion early. Hey, when the tears start falling, are you going to be there to tell me that I should have been more responsible?

13:37 Adam Listen, tell me the percentage. Tell me how much more.

13:39 Guest Respond to what I just said. Is that the routine that a woman is now supposed to follow?

13:45 You're a guy.

13:47 Guest Is that what you're expecting?

13:48 Adam I'll tell you what I expect. I expect options for women who want options. If they want to take this, that's their option. That's their prerogative. That's the kind of society I'd like to live in.

13:59 Drew That's what I'd like.

14:01 Guest Let me finish this. If a woman has an option, doesn't she also have the right to know the possible health consequences?

14:08 Adam That's right. Just like with everything. That's why this country is great. Here's an option. Here's what it may do to you. That's why we're here tonight.

14:17 Guest We agree she should be fully informed.

14:19 Adam Sure.

14:19 Drew She should be informed. Don't you think if there were health risks to being on the pill, the attorneys for the drug companies that may affect the pill would require them to put that in their package insert?

14:28 Guest Well, there are.

14:30 Drew Well, I've got the package insert and they only list health benefits, including less ectopic pregnancy, less ovarian cysts, less pelvic inflammatory disease, protection against two forms of cancer, ovaries and the uterus, and the evidence with the breast cancer is with the estrogen providing pills. The morning after pill is pure progesterone, which at this point has shown no risk of breast cancer.

14:53 Guest But that's not actually accurate, Dr. Drew.

14:56 Drew I'm reading from the package insert.

14:57 Guest Okay, but the breast cancer risk remains an extremely controversial issue.

15:02 Drew With estrogen containing pills.

15:03 Guest Not just with estrogen containing pills. It's true that estrogen has been linked to an increased risk of breast cancer, but we're now finding that's not the only link. And as a matter of fact, in Japan, where the birth control pill was not permitted until the end of 1996, because Japanese physicians had serious concerns about the pill, the breast cancer risk in Japan for women was one in 50. In the United States, it's one in eight.

15:34 Adam Right.

15:35 Guest You explain that difference.

15:36 Adam Well, they live off raw fish, we eat Arby's every day.

15:39 Guest You think that's the only difference?

15:41 Adam No, there's a million different factors. There's a million different environmental factors. Please, you spin this stuff anyway you want to spin it.

15:48 Guest No, Adam, you are putting a burden on women.

15:54 Adam I'm not putting a burden on women.

15:57 Drew What about a contraceptive for men? Would you be supportive of that?

16:01 Guest What about it? I don't understand. That's a totally hypothetical question.

16:05 Drew No, it's underway. It's going to be with us very shortly. I've got several articles here. They're bringing it to market. Any problem with that?

16:12 Guest Okay, well, if you want to go there, I mean, I don't...

16:16 Drew But why don't we take the onus away from women and put it on men?

16:20 Guest I think...

16:21 Drew Men have to carry the condom, men carry the contraceptives, and everything except morning after pill will put on men.

16:26 Guest I think men and women should share this responsibility, but I don't believe that these contraceptives are good health care. I don't believe they're good psychologically and good emotionally for relationships. And every single one has proven to be a disaster.

16:41 Adam Hold on, emotionally for a relationship?

16:43 Drew Well, no, I think...

16:44 Adam All right, hold on a second. We gotta take some calls.

16:46 Drew Hold on, well, wait a minute.

16:48 Adam This is really getting heavy in here. Got one?

16:51 Drew I would like to talk about... I think we ought to distill it down to teen pregnancy and what we can do about that. Not teen pregnancy, teen sexuality. And have that discussion more directly.

17:01 Adam Yeah, we don't like teenagers getting laid either, Jenny. Don't get us wrong.

17:04 Guest No, I have a feeling that we agree on a lot of things.

17:07 Drew Yeah, yeah.

17:08 Adam I do.

17:08 Drew Absolutely.

17:09 Adam Sort of.

17:10 Drew No, we do.

17:11 Adam Well, yeah, but okay. Maria?

17:14 Yes.

17:14 Drew Jenny and I can get this stuff up anyway. Maybe you...

17:17 I just want to say, there was a statement made earlier that if the women would be having less abortions, or no, oh my gosh, this conversation has got my head spinning. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I would have had an abortion if the morning after pill or the emergency contraception was not made available to me. Yeah, I... For a fact, 100%, I know I would have had an abortion.

17:46 Adam Yeah, I did that math a long time ago.

17:49 Drew Well, good. I'm glad you didn't have an abortion. And I believe your pill worked because you either weren't going to get pregnant in the first place because there was no egg available or because it suppressed ovulation and that critical something to our window.

18:01 Adam I also, by the way, when it comes to abortion, I don't think it's all black and white personally. I mean, I've said this to Drew a million times when we've argued. Everyone talks about, you know, you've taken a life for a lot of people. It's cut and dried. For me, I'm an atheist. But it's when you let's say you have a couple and they give birth to a stillborn. That's that's tragic. But it isn't as tragic is when their two year old is run over out front of the house. It just isn't as bad. And if she has a miscarriage in the first trimester, it's not as bad is the stillbirth, which is not as bad as when the kid dies. It too, it's shades of gray.

18:41 Drew It's not as bad emotionally, but philosophically, it's all similar.

18:45 Adam Yeah. But listen, philosophically, I mean, if an axe murderer gets killed, how bad do you feel?

18:51 Drew Philosophically, that may be a good thing.

18:53 Adam Still, but it's still a taking of a life. Still life has been taken.

18:56 Drew Killing with justification is philosophically...

18:59 Adam Right. I'm just saying before we got to do some mushrooms here and really freak ourselves out, yes, if you execute an axe murder, you are taking a life. It is not as bad as a nun being executed.

19:12 Drew That's what I'm saying.

19:13 Adam Thank you.

19:14 Drew But I wish, see, I hate the fact that the argument is, the battlefield has become morning after because that's the one thing that people should get behind. I mean, the reason I brought the package insert in here, it talks about interfering with implantation, just a regular birth control pill, the way it's used normally, nor death, used, you know, just a plain old birth control pill will impair implantation.

19:38 Adam We like to win you over, Jenny, because-

19:39 Guest Will impair implantation.

19:41 Drew Not the morning after pill, regular old birth control pill used normally.

19:46 Guest The morning after pill is a high dose of birth control pills, and it irritates the lining of the uterus.

19:53 Drew But so does the regular birth control pill.

19:55 Guest Yes, absolutely.

19:56 Drew And so they all impair implantation.

19:58 Guest They do, absolutely.

19:59 Drew And I brought the package insert in for a couple of anti-inflammatories. It also, I called Merck up, and they agreed they couldn't defend this. So why aren't you advocating all those things being taken off the market?

20:10 Guest Well, my organization, to be honest, a couple of years ago previously had no position on oral contraceptives. And the medical evidence was so pretty overwhelming that oral contraceptives can in some cases prevent implantation because of this effect on the lining of the uterus that we now call them abortifacient.

20:38 Drew So all birth control pills.

20:39 Guest We do. And with the morning after pill is obviously as a high dose of these has the same effect. Now, it may not matter to you, Adam, but women have a right to know that. They have a right to know. There's also evidence that the morning after pill may increase your chances of having an ectopic pregnancy, which is a pregnancy in the fallopian tube. It gets stuck. That's a life-threatening situation.

21:08 Adam Hey, Jenny, listen, I know that there are risks. There's risks for almost all facets of life. And I would never argue with you that there's not some nominal risk involved with a lot of this stuff. But just like when you talk about people who want to shut down the cigarette companies and they start talking about 50,000 people dying of secondhand smoke every year, it's nonsense. They spin things the way they want to spin things in order to make their point. That's what I'm accusing you of. Not that there's no risk, that you're spinning them.

21:42 Guest I see. So you're saying that I'm exaggerating small issues in order to win my point.

21:49 Adam If you took something like being more susceptible for HIV women on the pill and you could give me a good solid number on that, I'd be more likely to believe you. But you don't have a number on that.

22:02 Guest I don't have a number, but I'll have to call in tomorrow night and give it to you.

22:05 Adam But if you had a good number, you'd know it, wouldn't you?

22:08 Guest Look, if you're trying to deny that-

22:11 Adam No, it's minuscule.

22:12 Guest Look, think about it, Adam.

22:14 Adam It's minuscule.

22:14 Guest Swallowing steroids, right, Dr. Drew? It's minuscule.

22:17 Adam If it was 25 percent, you'd know.

22:19 Guest Swallowing steroids, common sense tells you it's got to have an effect.

22:25 Adam Well, not really. I mean, not to me because I'm not a physician. And yeah, I agree. There's no free lunches in nature, as Drew says all the time. And it could possibly have some negative effects on women. But it's been around for a while and it doesn't seem to have them. Now, it may have this many. I'm holding my fingers very close together. But not this many. I'm holding my arms very far apart. And this many, I can deal with that.

22:50 Drew If we, if we, I'm glad to hear you say you're looking at the oral kind of set of pills and all sort of the same. Because to me, that's rational. That's fine. Does that change your guys' parenthood discussion with them? Are you aware that they perceive it that way?

23:06 Guest I wasn't aware that they had been openly saying they're against the birth control pill as well.

23:11 Drew The battlefield has become a merge of contraception. And that's what drives me crazy. It's not rational to make the battle there. The battle should be a more broader issue.

23:19 Adam Pardon the pun. We're going to take ourselves a break. We're talking about the morning after pill, contraception and just everything involving women tonight. We're going to also take your calls about anything that we might normally talk about here on Loveline just to mix it up every once in a while and cut the tension. We'll be back after this.

24:01 You're listening to Loveline on Outrageous Talk Radio, 100.7 The Buzz.

24:08 Hi, this is Janine Garofalo. Have you ever wondered if there's people that are way worse off than you listening to Loveline?

24:14 Adam Yes, there are. A lot of them are in the studio, including myself. I had the misfortune of introducing myself to Janine Garofalo when she was in the Loveline studio a year or so ago. She'd informed me that she'd done the radio show a couple of times and the TV show twice. I had introduced myself to her.

24:34 Drew Nice to meet you.

24:35 Adam Nice to meet you.

24:36 Drew You're an asshole. It was actually at the TV show I remember when this happened.

24:41 Adam So painful. Now whenever I see anyone, I don't care who it is, I just go, Hey, hey, hey, dude, good to see you again. Good to see you again. That's my life.

24:49 Drew How about me with the camera, who these guys were? There you go.

24:53 Adam Oh, yeah, yeah. Calling them by different names and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, not knowing who they are.

24:58 Two days after they're done, two days after they're done.

24:59 Adam You know, my new thing is when I used to box, there would be old black guys who sat in front of the gym and they just call everyone Champ. Hey, Champ. Hey, Champ. No, no matter who walked through the door. Hey, Champ. Now I'm just going to call everyone Champ.

25:11 Drew I like that.

25:12 Adam And now you're covered. Everyone feels good and you're not excluding anyone. And if a guy was a former champion, he's not upset that you didn't give him a stew. Tonight we have Jenny Biondi, Champ, in here. She is the CEO, or sorry, Executive Director of the Right to Life in Southern California. And Nancy Sasaki is in here. She is CEO and President of Planned Parenthood in LA. We're talking about Champ and Champ. And we're talking about the morning after pill, birth control and all that good stuff. We'll take some phone calls too and stop arguing so much. Kimberly?

25:48 Yeah.

25:48 Adam You're 16?

25:49 Caller Yeah.

25:50 Adam What's up, Champ?

25:51 Caller I was hearing, like I did a report on the morning after pill and stuff. And I heard that it's coming out over the counter soon.

26:00 Drew Where are you calling from?

26:01 Caller Washington.

26:02 Drew Washington, DC.?

26:03 Caller No, Washington state.

26:04 Drew It is sort of over the counter over there.

26:08 Guest Yeah, through the pharmacy project, the collaboration between the pharmacists and the physicians, people can go directly to the pharmacy. There are some people working across the country to work with the FDA to see about getting emergency contraception as an over-the-counter method.

26:24 Drew There are three other states that are also going after that Washington model, aren't they? Oregon and the couple?

26:28 Guest They're actually about 11. 11, huh? California is trying to do a model as well, but they're about 11 states.

26:34 Guest Hey, Kimberly, it's Jenny. Can I ask why are you interested in it?

26:40 Caller Well, I just, I don't know.

26:43 Guest I don't know.

26:44 Drew Are you sexually active?

26:46 Caller Um, not really. Not.

26:48 Drew You don't need a birth control? No.

26:51 Guest Good for you. Good for you.

26:53 Caller Yeah.

26:53 Guest Keep it up. There's a lot of, a lot of kids like you and there's a lot more.

26:58 Caller Yeah.

26:58 Adam Listen, I'm all for it. Believe me, I don't want anyone younger than me getting laid. That's my policy. And it moves up each year.

27:06 Drew Yeah, because you get older every year.

27:07 Adam Poor Kimberly can't catch up.

27:08 Drew No.

27:09 If Adam doesn't get me, nobody else does.

27:11 Drew We have to kill Adam so he doesn't get any older.

27:13 Adam That's right. So you can all then have sex.

27:15 Drew That's right. I have 36. Yeah.

27:17 Adam Don't get me wrong. I mean, I don't want...

27:19 Drew Your birthday is coming up, isn't it?

27:21 Adam A couple of months. Yeah.

27:23 Drew April.

27:23 Adam End of May.

27:24 Drew End of May.

27:25 Adam I realized that we would be living in a utopia in about 20 years if everybody stopped having sex, especially the people that shouldn't be having sex. Younger, screwed up people, having kids. I also know that if they would not have those little vermin that got running around the house and destroying the world, that this would be a utopian 20 years too. But I'm with Jenny on this. I wish, I think we all are here. We don't want anyone to get in light, except for us, right?

27:57 Drew Let me ask you, what age do you think is healthy for women? Is it only with marriage or is there a certain age?

28:03 Guest Well, I don't want to shock you guys, but it's marriage first. Because anything less, someone's going to get stuck holding the bag, either the woman or the guy.

28:15 Adam What bag?

28:17 Guest Okay, she's going to get pregnant or...

28:20 Adam But then we give her the morning after pill, pow.

28:24 Guest Yeah, or she's going to have an abortion and she's going to be left with that. What about condoms?

28:30 Adam What about condoms?

28:36 Guest Or the guy is going to find himself enmeshed in something that he wasn't counting on.

28:43 Drew So, you know, I just think you want to be truthful.

28:46 Adam Wait, I got a hypothetical. I got a hypothetical. I don't know nothing before marriage. And listen, I'm with that too. Not for me, for everyone else. But I'm a big radio and television star. Fine, I get to do things other people don't do. What if you got, but what's the earliest you could get married? Well, I don't have an opinion. What if it was legal in your state? I mean, to get married at 15 or 16 or something like that. Like, here's a hypothetical for you, Jenny. What if you got emancipated? You lived in like Iowa or something. One of those screwball states, you know. Are we on an Iowa trip?

29:17 Yeah.

29:18 Adam Not Iowa, but one of the states we're not on. Screwball states we're not on. You got emancipated and a couple of 15-year-olds got married. They could have sex that night, right? Or 30-year-old could be 30. Oh, a 30-year-old could have sex with a 15-year-old. The 15-year-old is emancipated. Don't screw it up. Here's my hypothetical. What if you were a woman who was 28, 29, 30, 35, not married? Would you rather, would you say it's better for that 15-year-old to have sex because she's married than the 30-year-old who's not married? Do you know what I'm saying?

29:53 Guest I know what you're saying.

29:53 Adam A little wrench in the logic, huh?

29:55 Guest No, it's not a wrench. It's one of those crazy hypothetical questions that's not worth answering.

30:01 Adam It's not that outlandish. You wouldn't want the 30-year-old having sex, would you?

30:04 Guest Maybe let's make it a little less hypothetical if you would and say that she's 20, she's 19 or 20, she's married, and you're talking about a woman in her late 30s who's not married. So I'll agree to that question. And I'll tell you that the woman who's married, I don't really have any opinions about whether women should get married at 18 or 25 or 40. So for the woman who's 20, enjoy her marriage night and her marriage rights. And for the woman who's in her late 30s and isn't married, I say, hang in there, keep trying to meet a quality man.

30:47 Adam Vibrator, though, right?

30:48 Guest But what good does it do to have sex?

30:53 Adam Nothing.

30:54 Guest With a guy who isn't going to stick around? How does that help you? It doesn't change your situation.

31:00 Adam Let me say something. Dessert ain't good either. You know what I mean? There's a lot of stuff that ain't good for you, but it's good. Oh, yes. What good is sex?

31:09 A 30-year-old is good.

31:10 Adam What good is whipped cream?

31:12 Guest You know, Adam, I can see some girl putting her sights on you and trying to get you married.

31:20 Adam Yes, there are many, many who have tried.

31:22 Guest Yikes.

31:22 Adam Only true has come close so far. And Jimmy. Oh, and my other partner, Jimmy, yes. All right. Annie?

31:30 Yeah.

31:30 Adam You're 24. What's up?

31:33 Caller I just have a comment. And I think all birth control methods are a positive for women of all ages as long as they can conceive. It gives you an option to, you know, first of all know when you're ready to have a child. And I think also with that, though, the facility who offers these methods has some responsibility to show these girls, women, you know, either 15-year-olds or 30-year-olds how the correct way of using these methods, the responsibility, the risks are involved and giving all information before they, you know, offer anything to anybody who walks into their clinic.

32:13 Drew I think everyone would agree with that, yes?

32:15 Caller Yes.

32:16 Guest Right, absolutely.

32:17 Caller Yeah. So, regarding the morning after pill, the thing is when they were seeing repeated use, I think that once again if it falls into the clinic or facility, if you see a girl that's, you know, 18, 15, it comes in there twice, maybe you should say, you know, Annie, there is simply no one that would prescribe something like that.

32:38 Drew I mean, that's reputable that wouldn't begin addressing more appropriate means of contraception. It's not meant to be a contraceptive that you use regularly.

32:45 Guest It's not as effective as a regular contraceptive method.

32:48 Drew It's not 100%.

32:49 Adam Megan?

32:50 Caller Yeah.

32:51 Adam That's 70 out of 100%, right?

32:53 Drew 70 out of 100.

32:55 Caller Yeah, 70 out of 100, that would probably make more sense.

32:57 Drew Megan, what's going on?

32:58 Adam You're 16. What's going on?

32:59 Caller Yeah, I'm 16. I was just very concerned about this whole... Oh, by the way, Adam and Drew, you guys are wonderful.

33:08 Adam Thanks.

33:08 Caller Best ever. Thanks. I was just... I'm part of the Right for Life movement. I'm totally and fully against abortion. My mom was adopted, and if it wasn't for my biological grandmother, I wouldn't be here today.

33:24 Drew But, you know, you hear us talk about adoption all the time, don't you?

33:27 Caller Oh, yeah. And actually, I hear you talk about that all the time, Drew, and basically, I totally am always for what you say. And then one time you said, why don't you have an abortion?

33:37 Drew I said that? Oh, you know what? I will ask that question. Not saying, recommending it, but I'll ask, I may ask why aren't you considering that? Because that is one of the options they have out there.

33:47 Caller Yeah, I understand that.

33:48 Adam He was pretty loaded that night, to be fair to him. Yeah, he was three sheets to the wind, and he was kind of full of himself. And I remember sometimes he spouts off.

33:56 Caller Actually, I have a document in front of me about Planned Parenthood, and I was wondering if you guys would like to hear it.

34:02 Adam Is that what you call it? Under 15 minutes?

34:05 Caller Yeah, totally.

34:06 Adam And listen, you know, for those of you who think we love Planned Parenthood, Jenny, and other Right to Lifers, we believe they fall short, too. They get spokesmodels who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground to get up and speak in front of Congress. They've never spoken to us about doing anything. I don't know if they've spoken to you about doing anything. This is the only show that we're aware of that it gets into this stuff night after night after night, but there's silence and they don't stand up for themselves over Planned Parenthood. They're like all left wingers. Left wingers are wussies, notorious wussies. I don't, I know that doesn't sit well with you, but you guys got to get some wayvos going over there. You're too scared of the right wingers. You really got to stand up for yourself.

34:53 Guest I don't go into a debate with right wingers. I think because our position is that people are entitled to their opinion and they are. What we believe is that it's not the government's job to be telling people what their options are and what their choices ought to be.

35:05 Adam What's up with the spokesmodels who don't know anything speaking in front of them?

35:08 Guest I know exactly what you're talking about. That wasn't us, Adam. That wasn't you guys? No.

35:13 Adam Who do we have on this?

35:14 Guest I know who you're talking about. It was from the National Office.

35:16 Beverly, Beverly Peele?

35:19 Guest Didn't come prepared at all.

35:20 Adam No kidding. Hey, Megan?

35:22 Caller Yeah.

35:23 Adam All right, go ahead. Take your shot at Planned Parenthood.

35:25 Drew It was on my card. That's what they have me reusing.

35:28 Caller Okay. It says, it's actually from the advertising supplement that I got from lovematters.com. And it's Planned Parenthood will tell you that birth control reduces abortion, but the facts say otherwise.

35:38 Adam What facts?

35:40 Caller I'm reading it right now.

35:41 Oh, okay. Go ahead.

35:42 Caller Birth control failed miserably. Even the pro-birth control, Alan Gutmacher Institute website reports that 58% of women having abortions in 1995 had used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. PP touts its sex ed programs, but these programs don't help kids. They hurt them. PP's own research has shown its sex ed programs caused a 50% higher rate of sexual activity among teens. And did you know that?

36:07 Adam No, they didn't. No, nobody's proven that.

36:10 Caller Wait, I'm not done. And did you know Planned Parenthood runs America's largest chain of abortion centers? That's right. Planned Parenthood sells abortions, a profitable backup when birth control fails. Every year, Planned Parenthood's abortions count for around 10% of the US total total of aborted babies.

36:26 Drew Hey, Megan, hang on. Let's ask Nancy. Does Planned Parenthood profit from abortions?

36:31 Adam Do you have a successful chain of abortion, Claire? You guys doing drive-throughs on that?

36:35 Guest No, we aren't.

36:36 Drew Do you have profit from abortion?

36:39 Adam Whoa, that means yes. Long pause.

36:41 Guest No, it would vary by...

36:42 Drew Because I know they basically don't have profit. Right.

36:45 Guest We're a non-profit.

36:47 Drew Is there a cash flow from abortion in some centers?

36:50 Guest It would depend on the center because some of them would.

36:52 Drew Yeah.

36:53 Guest Absolutely. When you're first starting up, as we are in some of our clinics right now, we are not.

36:58 Drew Starting up abortions.

36:59 Guest Starting up abortions and expanding.

37:01 Drew I never knew Planned Parenthood. I honestly didn't know that they ran, they usually referred to abortion clinics, I thought. You actually conduct them.

37:07 Guest No, we actually do abortions in our clinics.

37:10 Adam How much is an abortion?

37:11 Guest Dr. Drew, Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States. They advertise, pick up your yellow pages.

37:18 Guest Planned Parenthood is also the largest provider of birth control in this country as well to prevent the need for abortion.

37:24 Guest You know, Nancy, you advertise your abortions in the yellow pages up to 22 weeks of pregnancy. They perform abortions up to 22 weeks of pregnancy. Hey, Nancy and I actually first met in a West LA weekly when we each did a column. She did one pro-partial birth abortion. They have aggressively supported this late-term procedure, which as we all know is a pretty gruesome act that the American Medical Association said is never medically necessary. The baby is delivered, breech birth, except for the head, which is left in the birth canal. The scissors are inserted into the soft base of the baby's head. The scissors are opened.

38:10 Adam Hold on a second. Drew, pass me that goulash, will you?

38:12 Guest The brains are sucked out. The skull collapses and it's taken out of the woman's body. Nancy wrote an article in support of this procedure. Her organization has done more to support partial birth abortion and late-term abortions. There is not an abortion they've ever met that they don't like.

38:33 Drew Let's talk philosophically.

38:34 Adam You forgot the part about where you eat the placenta after that.

38:38 Drew That's what you do.

38:39 Adam Was that my move? Hold on. We gotta take a break. We'll let Nancy fire back when we come back after this.

38:49 Caller Hello? This is Loveline.

38:50 Call 1-800-LOVE-191.

38:53 Caller Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back.

39:15 Caller You're listening to Loveline on Outrageous Talk Radio. 100.7 The Buzz.

39:27 Adam Hey, champ, it's the Loveline. I'm Adam Carolla, that is Dr. Drew over there. Drew's, he's really got his dork on tonight, boy. He's knee deep in paperwork over there. He was visiting that place where they keep the books. What's that?

39:44 Drew The library.

39:45 Adam Library. Library?

39:46 Drew Hey, which reminds you, I'm gonna be at a thing next Monday, a week from Monday, called Healthy Children, Healthy City. Healthy Cities. Healthy Cities at the Los Angeles Convention Center. People ought to check that out. 323-692-2699.

39:59 Adam That's Monday?

39:59 Drew Monday. Oh, I'll wait for Monday.

40:01 Adam Let me plug something. I'll be home, napping and masturbating.

40:04 Drew That Monday? That very Monday.

40:06 Adam Yeah, that's this Monday? A week from tomorrow, right?

40:09 Yeah. Yeah.

40:09 Drew How about the following Monday?

40:11 Adam Same deal.

40:11 Drew Oh, okay.

40:12 Adam Uh-huh. We're getting a Tuesday or do we make... It's the joke been made. Nancy Sasaki's here tonight. She's representing Planned Parenthood. She's the CEO and president of the LA chapter.

40:26 Guest Of LA.

40:27 Adam I see. And Jenny Biondi is also here tonight. She's the executive director of the Right to Life of Southern California. And Jenny basically called Nancy a witch last... We left off... Another witch. Yes. Yes. An evil witch. And Nancy is going to respond now. Go ahead. We're talking about, I'm sorry, we're talking about abortions at the 22 month or what partial birth abortions.

40:55 Guest So-called partial birth abortions, right. From my knowledge and the women that I know that have had to have a partial birth abortion, it's generally been because of genetic abnormalities. It's generally been a pregnancy that was very much wanted, very much planned for. They've been setting up for this baby to come and something goes terribly, terribly wrong.

41:16 Adam What is a partial birth abortion? I mean, how do you fit that criteria?

41:22 Guest Well, the scenario that Jenny described is not actually... So-called partial birth abortions aren't known in the medical field as to what they are.

41:34 Adam But, so it's not passed a certain point in the pregnancy that it becomes that?

41:42 Guest Many times this procedure that she described is used after the 24th week.

41:47 Adam I see. Okay. And so, anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead.

41:50 Drew And is it to attempt to save mothers' lives?

41:52 Caller Why do they do that?

41:54 Guest Most of the time it's because the pregnancy is not going to be a viable pregnancy because of genetic abnormalities, because of other things that have gone terribly wrong with the pregnancy.

42:03 Drew Is it putting the mother at risk? Is that one of the criteria?

42:07 Guest I think one of that is one of the criteria, but also the risk of whether she would have continued fertility if this pregnancy were to continue.

42:15 Adam Right. So she got one kid and it came out like it's some kind of crazy retard.

42:19 Guest The American Medical Association said there is no medical indication for partial birth abortion.

42:28 Guest Possibly because it doesn't exist. That terminology does not exist in medical journals.

42:33 Guest You know Nancy, we can split hairs all we want. The American Medical Association knows what it is.

42:39 Drew What did you defend in your article?

42:42 Guest It was talking about the procedure itself and whether or not women, whether or not it should be banned legislatively.

42:50 Drew But are you going back to a philosophical position that the government shouldn't be involved in our lives?

42:54 Guest Well, when the government shouldn't be involved in our lives, the government shouldn't be prescribing to physicians what surgical procedures should or should not be used.

43:01 Drew They do all the time. Believe me, they do all the time. Listen, they are so involved in every interaction between a patient and physician to say that they're not. I mean, they're involved.

43:10 Adam Drew can't even have sex with his patients anymore. Not anymore. Not since the government got involved.

43:15 Drew No, but they're involved with all aspects, all aspects of the patient-doctor relationship. All right. I would love to see it rolled back.

43:22 Guest And the legislation that was presented was not describing this particular procedure. It would have in fact banned all abortions. It was written so vaguely. And that's why the Supreme Court defeated it.

43:35 Adam All right. Hold on. Let's speak to Jeff here. We'll try to get a few calls in too. Jeff, you're 34.

43:42 Yeah, yeah, I do. I'm a pharmacist that works Midnight Shifts in Detroit. And a lot of patients coming in for the emergency contraceptive tablets, obviously, a lot from ER. And the question I had is for Dr. Drew. Excuse me. I had a script come in for Cytotec.

44:02 Drew Yeah, you're talking about RU486 now.

44:05 Well, they didn't say that though, actually.

44:07 Drew That's what that's for. That's for RU486.

44:09 Is that what it's for?

44:10 Drew Yeah.

44:10 And I tried to talk to the patient about it and I kind of like was used intravaginally.

44:16 Drew Yeah.

44:16 And I had never seen it done like that before. And she didn't even know herself.

44:19 Adam That's how you use RU486?

44:20 Drew Well, they use that with the RU486 pill. And that is an abortion pill. Make no mistake about it.

44:26 Oh, that is. That's something totally different.

44:29 Drew And then there needs to be follow up for that. She needs to be seen in three days, for sure. Do you guys have routine follow up?

44:33 Guest Absolutely. Actually, it's three visits. There are two visits that are at the clinic and then a two week follow up after that.

44:39 So what would be the purpose then of utilizing the Cytotec along with the RU486?

44:45 Adam Well, that's the Cytotec.

44:46 Drew It's part of the, it's Mr. Prostol. It's part of the protocol.

44:51 Guest Is Cytotec the second drug that makes the uterus go into the extreme contractions to expel the dead fetus? Jeff, is that what Cytotec does?

45:01 Well, it's considered, it's normally used to treat ulcers complicated to nonsteroidal and anti-inflammatories. But it's considered a prostaglandin inhibitor.

45:10 So that would occur, I guess.

45:13 Adam All right, thanks, Jeff.

45:15 Thanks.

45:15 Adam Hey, good times over there.

45:16 Yeah, you too.

45:18 Adam I knew you weren't a pharmacist working in LA, by the way, because I could understand most of the words you said.

45:25 Yeah.

45:25 Adam No, it's not Spanish here. It's some bizarre form. It's what I like to call the Johnny Quest villain national. We have whatever it is. I can't understand any pharmacist in LA. Drew, you must deal with that. Yes.

45:39 Drew It's difficult sometimes.

45:41 What is that?

45:43 Drew It's not I don't think it's the it's the cultural issue. It's that all pharmacists, a lot of them out here are angry.

45:48 Adam Are they angry? Are all pharmacists just pissed off doctors? I mean, one of these.

45:53 Drew Doctors are all pissed off too now.

45:55 Adam So you know what I mean? Like the guys who always ran the open mic on the comedy clubs were always angry comedians who failed comedians. That's why they were so angry. Don't you think pharmacists are just angry doctors?

46:06 Drew No, I don't.

46:07 Adam No? You hate them though. You hate them more than attorneys. Yes, you do. Gina?

46:13 Caller Yes.

46:13 Adam Yeah, he hates them. Gina, you're 19. What's up?

46:16 Caller Nothing. I was calling to ask Jenny's idea or Jenny's view on depot.

46:23 Adam On what? Depot? Depot. That's interesting. I'm going to turn my headphones down a little bit. Go ahead.

46:30 Guest I have this. Gina, I'm so glad you asked that question. I think a lot of young adult women are considering that and it has the same hazards as oral contraceptives. There appears, now Dr. Drew will say this is controversial, but there appears to be an increased risk later in life of an increased risk of breast cancer. You know, as a young woman taking oral contraceptives is especially risky for your breast cancer risk. So all of the potential side effects of oral contraceptives are going to be very present taking DepoProvera.

47:11 Adam Do you see any difference in the two? If you had your druthers, you know what I'm saying?

47:18 Drew One that's higher.

47:19 Adam You think one's worse than the other? Or they're both exactly the same?

47:22 Guest They're both bad.

47:23 Adam But the same.

47:26 Drew I'm a hypothetical. What do you think is?

47:27 Adam You can't get in any shades of gray here, you know?

47:29 Drew I'm a hypothetical. Which is a higher risk? The risk of pregnancy versus the risk of breast cancer from a progesterone shot. Because we would all agree, the data has been conclusive, that the progesterone shot has been the largest contributor to the reduction of the teen pregnancy rate in this country in the last five years. That's clear.

47:50 Adam I don't think you can get Jenny to cop with that one.

47:52 Drew No, she said yes. She shook her head yes.

47:53 Caller Really?

47:54 Adam She shook her head like, shut up, I gotta talk. Hold on a second.

47:57 Caller We gotta take a break.

47:58 Adam She's not gonna agree with that, you idiot. She shook her head yes. She was like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. I'm gonna say something.

48:05 Guest I like you too, Adam.

48:06 Adam Yeah. You weren't agreeing with him though, were you?

48:09 Guest No, I wasn't.

48:09 Adam No, I know you weren't. You got a stance. You're like a politician. All right. We'll take ourselves a little break. We'll be back. Today, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, that's Dr. Drew over there. Right smack dab in the middle of his wheelhouse tonight. Discussion about boring, boring stuff.

49:09 Drew It is true, isn't it? It is true. Hey, listen, this is when you have to really work for your money for a change.

49:14 Adam Are you kidding?

49:14 Drew Make this interesting, Adam, this is it. I can't believe we get paid the same.

49:21 Adam Oh, my God. You know, Drew and I always have that argument where Drew says, Drew, in the mic, Drew always says, when I yell that I should get paid more than Drew, we get paid the same, but I always claim I should get paid more. And he always says, I'm a doctor. I have, what do you have?

49:42 Drew Training.

49:42 Adam Yes, 10 years of training, blah, blah, blah. And then I always bring up what's Seinfeld getting paid. And then you always shut up, right? Isn't that how it works?

49:51 Drew In fact, I have not brought that argument into this arena once in the last two years. I don't think I'm tired of you.

49:57 Adam Thank you.

49:58 Drew Tired of you and gracing that with an A.

50:01 Thank God for Dr. Drew.

50:02 Adam Yes.

50:03 Caller Not Dr. Adam.

50:04 Adam I don't see a doctor in front of your name, Mr. Big Mouth. David Alan Greer, who raced in the Toyota Celebrity Race. He didn't come in first or second or anything like that. Who won? I think Josh Brolin won.

50:17 Caller Really?

50:18 Adam Yes. And then the rest of the field was a bunch of people I never heard of. Jenny Biondi is our guest tonight along with Nancy Sasaki. Nancy is the CEO and president of Planned Parenthood LA. Jenny is the executive director of the Right to Life of Southern California. Jenny is and this is something I always do as a host, was leaving at eleven o'clock and I forgot to broach that on the air. So, Jenny is going to give the response to the depot shot that she was nodding to but not agreeing with. And then we'll say our goodbyes to Jenny. So, go ahead, Jenny.

50:54 Guest Well, Gina, you asked a really good question. You're nineteen and you want to know if you should get depo provera shots. And my answer to you is woman to woman, don't do it. It's got the same risks as oral contraceptives. Do you want to find out ten years from now that we now know definitively that your breast cancer risk is increased? We already, it's already a very controversial area. Second, we know that in a small number of cases, oral contraceptives can cause a chemical mini-abortion. So you'll have that on your conscience. And third, do you want to get into that lifestyle? Don't you want to wait and meet a great guy like Adam? Or somebody?

51:41 Adam That's right. I know. I'm with Jenny. I just, I get nothing but oral sex out of deference.

51:47 Guest You know, I just also, I wanted to say one thing, Adam, before I go, because, you know, there's a lot of women listening who've had an abortion. We know that there's over 20 million women who've had abortions. And a lot of the people that I work with at the Right to Life League have had abortions. And everybody's had somebody in his or her family who's had abortion, an abortion. It's very, very common. And a lot of times after an abortion, there's a flood of emotions. Sometimes they don't surface till several years later, when you give yourself permission to look at the emotions. And I just want to encourage any woman who's listening, who's had an abortion to realize that there is hope and there is, there is some healing out there. There's a great website for women that's called www.afterabortion.org. It's totally non-judgmental. It's not, nope. It just helps you explore some of the feelings that you might have and realize that, you know, everybody makes mistakes.

53:00 Adam And what about, you're, so you would like adoption for someone in that situation who maybe didn't feel that they could raise a child. How are you on adoption?

53:09 Guest Well, in my organization, we actually have 14 pregnancy centers in Southern California. We help about 10,000 women a year. We're a non-political group. Our whole mission is just to help women who are pregnant who are trying to find a way to avoid an abortion.

53:27 Adam But where do you come down on adoption?

53:29 Guest Well, basically, if a woman wants to explore that, we have agencies and different resources that she can. She can do that with if she decides to go the single parenting route. We've got single mom support groups and parenting classes. And if in some cases she's she's going to get married or she's with the father of the baby, and we've got lots of resources for her, whatever she chooses.

53:55 Drew Is there a number you want to give out?

53:56 Guest I do. If you're in Southern California, you can call 1-800-R-Here-For-You, which is 1-800-743-7348. 1-800-743-7348. And that will connect you automatically with the Right to Life League Center. And you can find out about maternity homes, you can get prenatal care, you can get assistance with legal aid. If you're not safe at home, we can help you with any type of domestic violence.

54:31 Drew We were talking a little about consensus during the break. Would you think we'd all reach a consensus about adoption being something that should be empowered? I don't think that's something that is supported in our society very much. People don't feel good about that.

54:47 Adam I think society looks at it as sort of a cop-out in a certain way.

54:52 Drew Would Planned Parenthood support?

54:54 Guest Planned Parenthood supports all options. A woman that's pregnant who doesn't want to be pregnant doesn't know what to do with it.

54:59 Drew There's another consensus point that we can all look at and go, hey, gee, we all support adoption. All right.

55:03 Adam Let's agree on puppies and adoption. It's two things that we both enjoy. Jenny?

55:09 Guest There's a national number.

55:10 Adam You want to stay?

55:11 Guest Just before I...

55:11 Adam All right, you're staying.

55:12 Guest If I can. Nationally, you could call 1-800-395-HELP. And 1-800-395-HELP, you know, there are these pregnancy care centers coast to coast. There's about 4,000 of them. So if you want to avoid having an abortion, if you've had one before and you find yourself pregnant again, which is really common, get some help for yourself. And there's lots of help out there.

55:40 Adam All right. I think we can all agree on that. Jenny Biondi, thanks for coming out.

55:45 Guest I really enjoyed it, Adam and Dr. Drew. Thank you so much. And I really enjoyed talking with Nancy.

55:52 Guest Nice to meet you, Jenny.

55:54 Adam She's tough but unfair. That's what I'd say about you. No, I appreciate a spirited debate. And and you know, I don't mind getting into it with somebody. But I know we're all professionals here. And I thank for coming out and and arguing that side of the coin for us, Jane. Have a good night. And I'll see you now. No, let's all right. Let's let the party start.

56:20 You got any you got to put that part away.

56:23 Adam Nancy, you got any refer? I say, don't you guys plan for it? You all smoke out, right? You guys are cool. Brian?

56:30 Yes.

56:30 Adam You're 37.

56:31 Yes. Hi. I've been listening since I was 21 to Loveline, believe it or not. Oh, man.

56:36 Adam And you want to do a call Jenny Biondi out on some of her points, right?

56:41 Yeah, Dr. Drew, I think way too easy on her. This woman.

56:45 Adam Drew's a full blown wuss. I mean, anyone that knows Drew knows what a wussy is.

56:50 Okay. You know what annoys most about her is that she's trying to present herself as a rational person. It's not the case at all. She has her mind completely made up on everything. No new arguments or facts will change her mind about anything.

57:05 Drew Well, that Adam was busting her chops about that quite unofficially. I didn't want to make it worse on her.

57:10 Yeah, but Adam, you're more just making fun of her. Now, not to say anything wrong.

57:16 Drew How dare you, sir?

57:18 Adam I thought I made some legitimate gripes.

57:20 Drew Hey, Brian, it's up to the listener to listen to the data I present and listen to her response to it. I don't need to bust her on it.

57:27 Adam Drew was not aggressive, but I think he provided some compelling data. And also, Brian, let me explain something to you. And I don't mean to sound kind of sinning, but religious people don't make sense oftentimes because they don't have to. Do you understand? That's the basis of religion. You want them to use logic, but they don't use logic in their faith, per se. So why use it in life and why use it in their arguments? That's why you got, that's why you try to argue with folks that are religious and you don't get anywhere with them.

58:06 Oh, I agree with you. Why did you not bring this up while she was on the air?

58:10 Adam Listen, I did a sufficient amount of ball busting on young Jenny over there. I'm Nancy, sorry. No, I mean Jenny, sorry.

58:23 I mean, she was so concerned about the questionable and theoretical risks of birth control pills, for example. But what about the risks of pregnancy? Of pregnancy, which is much higher. You kind of touched on that. Or the risks of her, you know, the failed abstinence campaign, sorry, I can't speak. You know, that doesn't really work.

58:42 Drew Well, you know what?

58:43 Adam I am so... Listen, I don't mean to cut you off, but I'm cutting you off. It's the same as the drug campaign, really. It is the same. It would be great if we could just say, if we could just say, don't do it, you know? Don't have sex before you're ready. Don't have sex with your teams. Don't do drugs. Just say no. Great notion doesn't work.

59:03 Drew But like with drugs... I wish it did. And this is what I'm terribly interested in, is forming areas of consensus. I really am, because there's all these camps out there. And Nancy, Angie and I were talking about areas that there is consensus, and there's lots of areas. And I wish we could have giant initiatives just focused on the areas of consensus. And so we didn't leave it up to the politicians to make it totally... How about irrational? They make people with religious orientations look completely rational.

59:28 Adam But Drew, didn't I tell you when you were saying to me for all those months and possibly years now, why aren't the anti... why aren't the right to lifers for the morning after pill?

59:43 Drew You told me why.

59:44 Adam I said the religious whack jobs who want to argue, they're not really interested in data. They're more interested in a religious argument.

59:51 Drew But what you said was they're interested in teenagers not having sex.

59:54 Adam Yes, not in lowering abortion.

59:56 Drew But you know what? There's areas that we would all agree that's a good position to have. There's times of life where that's a very appropriate. It's how that information gets out there that I think we need to agree on.

1:00:07 Guest Yeah, that was definitely one of the areas of consensus that we were talking about in terms of education and reaching out to young people and giving them the skills that they need to make rational decisions, to be able to say no, to be able to get the information. We've learned is that by giving them information about sex, sexuality, birth control, they actually delay sexual activity. They delay engaging in sexual activity.

1:00:31 Adam What is delaying by the way? We live in California. We always assume that things are progressive out here or at least that's what I think the rest of the country assumes that California is progressive. But we're not on the vanguard of a lot of this stuff. We don't have this available the morning after pill over the counter at this point. Why?

1:00:55 Guest No, but it is available in the state. You still can get it. You do have to go to your physician.

1:00:59 Drew We just think Washington, the state of Washington has got a great plan.

1:01:02 Guest Oh, Washington state has had their pharmacy project in place for quite some time and we're still trying to develop it here in the state of California.

1:01:10 Adam Why is that?

1:01:10 Guest We have pilot projects going on right now. There are actually two here in Los Angeles. We're trying to be the third pilot project to be able to start this up.

1:01:19 Drew Let us know when it's coming.

1:01:20 Adam Is this considered though? Is it death for a politician to get into this subject? Are they steering away from this?

1:01:27 Drew This is what we asked.

1:01:28 Adam It seems almost to the point of distraction for us.

1:01:30 Drew Why don't politicians get involved in the disturbed family systems, the behaviors, the unwanted pregnancy? Why can't, I mean that's core issue in this country.

1:01:39 Guest No, I have no idea why they don't.

1:01:41 Adam Because they're pussies, you know. They're pussies. They don't want to bring it up. They're scared. They want votes and they just want to steer clear of it. It's too controversial for them. They get into that, oh, you're playing God BS. And they just steer clear of it.

1:01:57 Guest Well, the legislators, though, do go into certain areas. When we were talking about restrictions earlier in terms of where we could go in terms of consensus, politicians do get into that. They do get into restrictions on access, whether it's to abortion and or to family planning.

1:02:12 Adam I asked Maxine Waters about this when I was unpolitically incorrect with her, who, by the way, is, what is she? She's a representative of California. What is she?

1:02:23 Guest She's a representative of California.

1:02:26 Adam You might as well-

1:02:27 Drew Congresswoman.

1:02:27 Adam Yeah. You might as well get on Esther to represent California. This woman is so out of it, completely out of it. I brought this subject up with her, and she didn't know what I was talking about, and she said the data was still out, and I told her, no, it isn't, and why aren't you more involved with this, and how come you don't know about it, and your constituency could use this product, and she was way out. She didn't care. She didn't know. Why aren't you guys busting her chops? Why aren't you coming down on these people?

1:02:53 Guest We do work with Representative Rodney's officer.

1:02:54 Adam Stop working with them. Start calling her nut-ball.

1:02:56 Caller Nut-ball.

1:02:57 Adam Go after her.

1:02:58 Drew He doesn't know what the office even is for her.

1:03:00 Guest Once again, we go back into just education. We want to get our legislators educated about what the issues are so that they can make more rational choices in terms of legislation.

1:03:10 Adam All right. Let's talk to Dominic. I wonder if she can she have me killed, by the way, for calling her Aunt Esther all the time on there?

1:03:18 Drew No, why not?

1:03:19 Adam I don't know. She doesn't even know where she is, I don't think.

1:03:21 Caller Dominic?

1:03:23 Neither the pro-choice ideology know the pro-life ideology has a higher rational intelligence, intelligence purpose, objective.

1:03:35 Drew Where are you from? Where are you from?

1:03:37 The pro-choice ideology simply stems from woman's pride. The pro-life ideology stems from religious dogmatism, so they are not acceptable. The right, correct, productive ideology We may have a pharmacist from LA because I can't understand a goddamn word he's saying.

1:03:58 Drew Where are you from, Dominic?

1:03:59 I am from Columbia. The correct, right, intelligent, higher purpose for a productive policy is the good welfare and preservation of the superior white race. White people all over the world...

1:04:15 Drew Oh, boy.

1:04:16 Adam Oh, wait a minute. White race? Wait a minute. He's from Columbia. Is he in the white race?

1:04:22 But I am white person.

1:04:24 Adam A what?

1:04:24 White people all over the world.

1:04:26 Adam Oh, I see. Yeah, but you can't be in the white race. You got too much accent.

1:04:31 White people all over the world, the negative or neutral growth. On the other hand, the color inferior races multiply like rabbit's droop area.

1:04:41 Drew I've never actually encountered anybody like this before.

1:04:43 That's why... Abortion for the color race should be encouraged, while for the white people should be discouraged.

1:04:52 Drew Don't inflame this guy.

1:04:53 That's the higher purpose for America.

1:04:56 Adam I'm not sure where... I think I agree with him, but I'm not quite sure what he's saying.

1:05:00 Caller By the way, stop...

1:05:01 Adam He's saying no abortion for white people, only colored people?

1:05:05 Abortion for the color race should be encouraged, while abortion for the superior white people should be discouraged.

1:05:14 Adam I can't believe this guy is white from Colombia with that accent.

1:05:17 Drew What about... Just out of curiosity, I've always wanted to ask one of these guys this question.

1:05:22 Adam He's probably just screwing around, by the way.

1:05:24 Go on.

1:05:27 Adam He's calling from San Francisco. How does that go over in San Francisco?

1:05:31 Drew Our screwballs don't use language like this.

1:05:33 Really?

1:05:34 Drew But listen. Go on. In biological systems, genetic diversity improves health. So the more genetic mixing, the greater the health of a population.

1:05:47 Adam We're talking about like a dog, a mutt is healthy.

1:05:50 What?

1:05:52 Drew That's a lie?

1:05:53 Genetic mixing corrupts to lose the superior white race.

1:05:57 Drew Well, no, no, wait, hang on. I know you believe that. But what about the fact that let's take dogs.

1:06:02 Yes.

1:06:02 Drew And you have pure races and they get unhealthier the more you purify them and the more you mix them and create mutts, the healthier the animals become.

1:06:10 Adam I had that purebred German shepherd died at eight months.

1:06:13 Drew And this is true. This is true in all mammals.

1:06:15 This is a violation of common sense. This is a Jewish propaganda.

1:06:21 Adam Drew is part Jew, you know. He's part Jew.

1:06:24 Caller Who told you, the Jew, to speak in the name of the right people?

1:06:28 Drew No, no, Dominic, hang on a second. I'm just talking about what every biologist, anybody who's ever studied biology is taught.

1:06:36 Adam That's right. Now listen, I'm a white guy from North Hollywood. I don't have any of that Jew in me, Dominic.

1:06:41 To the white people, you're constantly both corrupt, impressionable young people with the egregious lie of racial egalitarianism with amalgamation and miscegenation.

1:06:53 Adam Hey, Dominic, Dominic, you made your point, but just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? Because it'll be fun. You drive a cab, right?

1:07:00 No, I work with computers, Mr. construction worker intelligence.

1:07:05 Adam How dare you attack my background?

1:07:07 Go back to construction worker, you disgrace.

1:07:10 Adam Go back to Columbia and grow some poppies.

1:07:13 Caller I'm a white person.

1:07:15 Adam All right. Good times there. All right. Thank you.

1:07:18 Stop corrupting white people.

1:07:19 Adam All right. I'll see what I can do. All right?

1:07:22 No, not all right.

1:07:24 Caller All right.

1:07:27 Adam Well, I'll tell you. He's one of these guys, by the way, who I bet the folks at work with him are like, Oh, Christ, here comes Dominic.

1:07:35 Oh, Jesus.

1:07:37 Adam Bob, I'm going to be in the break room. Oh, my God. All right. And by the way, you know what I don't like about guys like Dominic is like one of them ruins it for every 10,000 good white folk around there. This is why everyone thinks we hate them. Is one of those guys, one of them ruins it for the rest of whitey. He really, it really does. It really does. You know what I mean? Because I swear to God, I think people, I think he can poison the whole pool, this guy. People think all white guys are this way. You are part of your show, Drew. You're not going to deny that, are you?

1:08:14 Drew But when you hear that this stuff...

1:08:15 Adam You're impure that way? Troy?

1:08:18 Drew I'm impure a lot of ways.

1:08:19 Adam Yes. Troy?

1:08:21 Yeah.

1:08:21 Adam All right. You're 19.

1:08:23 Caller Yeah. Well, I have all sorts of opinions on all of this. I was adopted when I was three years old.

1:08:32 Caller Uh-oh.

1:08:33 Adam That's bad.

1:08:33 Caller No, hold on. Yeah. Don't lose me here. All right.

1:08:37 Drew Well, that's different than being adopted at three days. It's a lot different.

1:08:40 Caller Well, I was with my parents.

1:08:42 Drew Yeah, no kidding. That's the point.

1:08:45 Caller No, my adopted parents from the time I was born.

1:08:48 Drew I see. You just didn't complete the adoption.

1:08:50 Caller I took them because I was from an Indian tribe.

1:08:53 Drew I see.

1:08:53 Caller It just took an extra couple of years to actually finalize all of it.

1:08:56 Drew Understood.

1:08:57 Caller I see. And my girlfriend is 17 years old. We got pregnant about four months ago, I'd say. And she has no opinion on abortion either way. I was raised always that abortion is bad because I was adopted. Very conservative parents. And when she got pregnant, my parents decided that I was no longer a part of their family.

1:09:25 Drew Because she was pregnant.

1:09:26 Caller Because I had sex outside of marriage.

1:09:28 Adam What tribe were you with?

1:09:30 Caller Choctaw.

1:09:31 Adam Ah, yeah. I remember up on Choctaw Ridge. With some kind of Billy Joe. That's where we jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge.

1:09:38 Caller Okay.

1:09:39 Caller That's right. Yeah.

1:09:40 Drew You're dating yourself a little bit here. Troy was like, yeah, okay.

1:09:45 Caller Anyway, so I went to the pro-life area. I worked with Rocks For Life. I worked with pro-life trying to get someone because my girlfriend was sure that she didn't want to have the baby. She didn't want to go through the whole thing about putting up for adoption, her having to live with-

1:10:05 Drew So she wanted to have an abortion?

1:10:06 Caller Yes.

1:10:07 Drew So why then were you going to Right To Life for-

1:10:09 Caller Well, because I wanted counseling one way or another.

1:10:13 Drew Well, that's usually not one way or another counseling.

1:10:16 Caller Now, don't lose me here. On that, I could not get it from Right To Life at all. Nobody would talk to me. I could not find anyone to talk to my girlfriend at all. So I went to Planned Parenthood. And ever since then, Planned Parenthood has been my savior. I mean, you guys have no clue how much they have done for me. They got us into counseling. We decided that if, yes, if we were going to, if she, you know, was pregnant, that we were going to go ahead and put it up for adoption as soon as the baby was born. It would be out of our hands and into a stable family that could take care of it. Well, we lost the baby through a miscarriage at two-and-a-half months. And still, I have not heard any response from the Right to Life movement. And the fact that I was excommunicated basically from my family, kicked out of my family because of what went on. And they're very much, you know, pro-life, pro-

1:11:15 Adam Well, they kicked you out because you had premarital sex?

1:11:19 Drew Yes.

1:11:19 Adam Was that really it?

1:11:20 Drew That's really it.

1:11:22 Adam All right.

1:11:22 Caller So that's how it came down.

1:11:24 Caller Yeah.

1:11:24 Adam All right. Thanks for that testimonial, Troy.

1:11:27 Caller Well, what?

1:11:30 Caller After that, we have used the emergency pill twice.

1:11:33 Drew Yeah.

1:11:34 Caller And I'm wondering, is this going to affect us later in life trying to have kids?

1:11:39 Drew No.

1:11:39 Caller Because we are planning on getting married.

1:11:41 Drew There is absolutely no evidence of that none, zero. Yeah.

1:11:45 Caller Because it kind of sounded like it from.

1:11:47 Drew No. She was talking about this. Listen, it reduces the risk of ovarian cancer, reduces the risk of uterine cancers. There's a theoretic risk of increasing risk of breast cancer, but nothing like that has ever been studied. I mean, ever. In people using emergency contraceptive occasionally, those are all people on chronic oral contraceptive pills. And even then that connection is spurious at this point.

1:12:12 Guest I would really encourage you to look at the relationship and look at using a regular consistent birth control method if you've already used emergency contraception twice. You know, it's obvious you're going to continue to have sexual activity, so you really should look at using a more effective method of contraception.

1:12:29 Adam Except for the overwhelming chance of getting AIDS once you're on the pill.

1:12:33 Drew I'm sure. She's going to call you tomorrow with that data.

1:12:34 Adam I'm sure Jenny's going to give me the staggering data on that tomorrow. She didn't know it all. And by the way, if you watch any show or listen to any show and a person doesn't have the data, the person who's going to go retrieve the data doesn't have that in front of them, that means no data.

1:12:49 Drew Well, it means data, but no, but not strong data. At least not strong data.

1:12:53 Adam Very spurious, very weak data. That's what it means, because when people make arguments and they have compelling data, they sure as hell bring it in with them and they know it off the top of their head. So I'll get the back view on that. That means no data. We'll take a break. Yep, it is Loveline from Adam Carolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Our champ in here tonight, Nancy Sasaki. She's CEO and president of Planned Parenthood in LA. And we're talking about morning after pills and RU-486 and all forms of different forms of contraception and not that RU-486 a form of contraception. And how much is an abortion by the way?

1:14:16 Guest It's going to vary, you know, nationwide. For a first trimester abortion here in Los Angeles, it's going to be about $290.

1:14:24 Drew How are those done generally? What's the method? And why is RU-486 not routinely being used instead of that?

1:14:33 Guest We just have RU-486 Mifflipristone available in our clinics as of December. So a lot of people still don't know that it's available and asking for it.

1:14:43 Drew But why aren't you pushing it? Yeah, well, why are the people performing it?

1:14:47 Adam No, in lieu of a vacuum abortion.

1:14:50 Guest Yeah, you know, we let people know what the options are and choose if they've decided to terminate their pregnancy. Here's manual, here's the surgical and here's the medical abortion. Take your pick. People that choose the medical abortion are doing so because they feel like they are in more control of the procedure because it's not invasive.

1:15:09 Drew It's not as expensive.

1:15:10 Guest It is actually more expensive because of the number of visits that are required in the protocol right now for using this particular drug.

1:15:18 Adam Right, and is the protocol more than is necessary?

1:15:24 Guest That's hard to say. The first two visits are absolutely necessary. The third follow-up visit is the same with the surgical abortion. We try to get women to come back in for the follow-up visit to make sure that everything's okay and that everything's gone back to normal, just physically speaking. But for the medical abortion, you know, does it have to be required? Do we have to make the phone calls to try to get women to come back in for that follow-up? If they choose to come back in, that would be great.

1:15:54 Adam So right now, the way it's laid out, the RU-486 is more expensive than a traditional abortion.

1:16:02 Guest Then the medical, the RU-486 Mifflapristone is more expensive than a surgical.

1:16:07 Adam Right. How much more?

1:16:11 Guest It is from $290. It goes up to, I'm not going to remember. It's close to $400, though.

1:16:18 Adam Wow.

1:16:18 Guest I believe. Yeah.

1:16:19 Adam Good times. All right. Let's hop back to the phones and speak to Tony. Tony?

1:16:25 Caller Yeah.

1:16:26 Adam Year 21, what's up?

1:16:28 Caller I was wanting to call. I was hoping I'd be able to get a response from Jenny, but I think it's probably better off so that she can turn the question around on me. But I was wanting to get yours and Dr. Drew's, and also Nancy's, if she would, her opinion on the use of the morning after pill for women who's had complications in the pregnancy. I know you all were talking about that a little bit earlier.

1:16:52 Drew A woman who's previously had pregnancies that were?

1:16:56 Caller Yes, like a still birth, I believe is what it is, where the baby is born dead.

1:16:59 Drew Correct me if I'm wrong. What is your concern about the morning after pill?

1:17:04 Caller How it could be used if, I mean, because the girl that I'm concerned about, it's one of my friends, it's not, she just told me that she believes she's pregnant again.

1:17:14 Drew Okay, morning after pill prevents pregnancy.

1:17:17 Caller It prevents pregnancy.

1:17:18 Drew Yeah, it's not the abortion pill, that's RU46. We've not been talking about...

1:17:23 Caller I'm sorry to cut you off, I do not agree with abortions at all.

1:17:26 Drew Okay, we've not been talking about RU46. We've been talking about a pill, a little higher dose of the birth control pill taken after sex, within 3 days of sex, that prevents ovulation, so the sperm never gets to the egg.

1:17:37 Adam But if she's pregnant, she's pregnant, and this pill is not going to make a difference.

1:17:41 Drew Not going to do anything.

1:17:43 Caller She doesn't know if she is or not.

1:17:44 Drew Well, it's been more than 3 days anyway.

1:17:46 Caller Yeah, she's late 7 days, and she's never been that late before.

1:17:51 Drew Well, she's probably pregnant.

1:17:52 Caller Her doctor had advised her, which kind of confused me, her doctor advised her not to take birth control for something like that.

1:18:00 Drew It's better, it's better.

1:18:02 Caller And she's recently developed an allergic reaction to latex in condoms, and she hasn't really been able to use anything, and I've told her she's smarter than that, she knows just not to do it. But it's hard to tell a teenager not to have sex.

1:18:21 Adam Well, hey, Tony, why don't you just steer her toward playing parenthood and let her sit down with somebody and sort this thing out?

1:18:29 Caller That's what I was thinking, but do you reckon, I mean, would it be a good idea for maybe me to be there with her to help her through things?

1:18:36 Drew Well, that's up to you, we don't know the nature. Is it your child?

1:18:39 Caller No, it's not.

1:18:40 Adam Hey, Tony.

1:18:41 Caller I mean, for like, for emotional support, because the guy she's with, it really isn't.

1:18:45 Adam All right, Tony, you just opened yourself a nice big can of worms, because now we got to turn on you.

1:18:51 Caller Yeah, yeah.

1:18:52 Adam How old is this girl?

1:18:53 Caller She is 19.

1:18:54 Adam And why? Why so much concern? I mean, I understand she's a friend of yours, but what's going on with you? Do you have a girlfriend?

1:19:01 Caller No, not right now.

1:19:02 Adam Hold on a second.

1:19:03 Drew Oh, get off the floor, Adam.

1:19:05 Caller Shocking.

1:19:07 Adam Shocking. Tony, do you like this girl?

1:19:13 Caller Yeah, she knows how I feel about her.

1:19:14 Drew Yeah, we do, too.

1:19:15 Caller All right. Her boyfriend just let her come over and spend a weekend with her.

1:19:18 Adam I know, but listen, Tony, don't get yourself into this caretaker position.

1:19:23 Caller I don't want to be the caretaker. I'm trying not to do that because I don't know what to do.

1:19:27 Drew That's the role she's allowing you, and that's not the one you want, and so don't do it.

1:19:31 Caller Well, most things she asked me, I try not to give an opinion about it because, you know what I mean?

1:19:35 Drew Yeah, why are you involved with her at all? She has a boyfriend.

1:19:39 Adam You're calling the show on her behalf.

1:19:40 Caller She doesn't want to be with this guy, but she's got such a low self-esteem that she doesn't know what to do.

1:19:45 Drew Yes, she heard this guy is just like her dad. He's in an A-hole of some type.

1:19:50 Caller Her dad was, and he's a decent guy, but he's got his faults like everybody.

1:19:54 Drew Look, he was an A-hole to her, and she didn't get the nourishment she needed from him. Now, that's turned into an attraction to guys that are just like dad.

1:20:00 Adam Tony, you're too nice and too desperate and too needy, and she'll never be interested in you that way.

1:20:06 Drew Even if she did get involved with you, she would sabotage that in a second.

1:20:10 Caller You think?

1:20:10 Adam Oh, Tony, as you know, I'm a genius.

1:20:15 Caller Yes, I know that.

1:20:17 Adam I am telling you that if you get hooked up with this girl, you may think it's a dream come true, it will turn into a nightmare at some point. Be supportive, be her friend, and find yourself a girlfriend.

1:20:28 Drew Hey, and Tony, you know that goddamn Omni Hotel down there in downtown Cincinnati?

1:20:36 Adam Yeah, go ahead.

1:20:36 Drew You tell me what.

1:20:37 Adam Go ahead.

1:20:38 Drew I just had an awful experience that everybody stay away from that hotel.

1:20:41 Adam All right. There you go. That's the beauty of having a radio show. I get to complain about my garbage men, Drew gets to pick on hotels around the country. Kristen?

1:20:52 Caller Yeah.

1:20:52 Adam Year 14?

1:20:54 Caller Yeah. I had a comment that I wanted to say, well, Jenny or whatever her name was.

1:20:59 Adam Jenny Biondi, yes.

1:21:01 Caller I think it's kind of wrong to try to convince young girls to have an abortion when they're young girls themselves and they have their whole life ahead of them and this child hasn't even been born and they're saying, you know, worry about this child. But there's a young girl who, you know, needs to graduate high school and do all these things for herself.

1:21:24 Adam Yeah.

1:21:24 Caller And they act like that doesn't matter. Like the only thing to worry about is the baby.

1:21:29 Adam Well, they're religious people and also there's a certain element of pay the fiddler. You want to go out and be immoral. You want to go out and dance with the devil and you think you can just walk away. No, you got to pay. Have that child. I mean, that's really the underlying thing. And you know, to a certain degree, I agree with them. It's like you want to go out and have sex and think you're going to abortion. It's too easy. But you know what? I'm fine with that.

1:21:57 Drew Kind of. You're kind of fine with that.

1:21:59 Adam I'm kind of fine with that. I'm definitively kind of fine with that. Thank you.

1:22:04 Caller It's better than having a child brought into the world that's going to be abused or neglected or thrown up.

1:22:09 Drew Well, how about giving that child up for adoption?

1:22:11 Adam Yes, or selling it.

1:22:12 Drew How about if we live in a world where women who got pregnant and thought about adoption were supported and maybe really sort of honored for that decision. And so she takes a few months off school and then gets off the child. It sounds very simple. I know it's a bad one. I'm just saying, what if it was a different world and that was possible? What if we could create that kind of world? Would that change things? I don't know.

1:22:34 Also, I agree with Adam.

1:22:39 Caller I kind of don't really think that her statement was legitimate about the higher risk of an STD because knowing that she's going to come to this show and that's what she's going to discuss, you would think she would have some numbers in front of her.

1:22:52 Drew Yeah, and animate the point that there's no numbers. It's not, it's the pill, all the data I ever sent on the pill reduces the complication of STDs, but if you're on the pill, you're going to be sexually active more likely and you're higher risk for STD, then of course.

1:23:05 Adam That's right. You live in Japan, you eat fish and you don't get breast cancer. Plus, Japanese women, they got smaller breasts, right? Not as much mass there to get the cancer. There you go. Am I right? The bigger breasts, you got bigger breasts, you got more cancer room there?

1:23:26 Drew No.

1:23:26 Adam No. What a woman who is completely flat chested.

1:23:29 Drew Yes.

1:23:30 Adam Just completely, just like flat as a board.

1:23:33 Drew Bad times.

1:23:34 Adam Just as high an opportunity to get breast cancer.

1:23:37 Drew I'm not sure. I don't know that study has been done.

1:23:39 Guest Men get breast cancer also.

1:23:40 Drew Exactly, men.

1:23:41 Adam Yeah, but how much?

1:23:43 Drew One in eight cases are male.

1:23:44 Adam Oh, of breast cancer. Yeah. Yeah. But here's my point. Flat chested woman, big busted woman.

1:23:50 Drew I don't know if that study has been done. But I know that the general is considered not to be an issue.

1:23:55 Adam What would you guess?

1:23:56 Drew I would guess not because it's an estrogen issue on the breast tissue. It's not.

1:24:01 Adam Less tissue?

1:24:02 That's all fat. That's all fat.

1:24:04 Drew That's not breast tissue. It's fat.

1:24:05 Adam I bet you could detect a lump easier though if you're flat chested.

1:24:09 Drew So?

1:24:10 Adam You could detect it earlier.

1:24:11 Drew So, you'd be more likely to pick it up then.

1:24:13 Adam That's right.

1:24:14 Drew So, flat chested would look like they're having more cancer.

1:24:17 Adam No. Because they would get it before it made it into the data.

1:24:22 Guest It would still be breast cancer.

1:24:24 Drew No, it's still breast cancer, Adam. One cell.

1:24:26 Guest Earlier or later.

1:24:29 Adam But it would be more advanced if you couldn't find it.

1:24:31 Drew No. You're not asking about advanced. There's actually something called the Will Rogers effect that if you detect it earlier, it actually makes it look like it's a higher incidence in that population.

1:24:41 Adam Don't you think that women who are larger women have a higher breast cancer?

1:24:47 It's fat.

1:24:48 Drew It's not breast tissue.

1:24:50 Adam You look into this.

1:24:51 Drew I'm not sure that study's been done, but I know that general people aren't considering that.

1:24:56 Adam I will be right on this. Look into it, Drew, please. Well, how would the fat women, totally flat woman as opposed to a busty woman who has a greater percentage.

1:25:07 All right. Whatever.

1:25:09 Caller Whatever. Whatever.

1:25:10 Adam Go ahead there, Jordan. You're 15.

1:25:13 Caller Hey, man.

1:25:13 Caller Hey.

1:25:14 Caller First off, you're a gentleman. I'm a scholar.

1:25:17 Adam Thank you.

1:25:17 Caller You're a genius.

1:25:18 Adam Thank you. Yes, I know.

1:25:20 Caller Yeah. I had a success story for adoption. My family adopted a baby a year ago, and my mom has a website and stuff, and she has a registry where parents who want to adopt can go and sign up and put their family on and stuff like that. And the mom found us, and we've had her for a year, and we love her just like, you know, she was my own sister and all that kind of stuff.

1:25:47 Drew How old is she?

1:25:48 Caller She's a year old last month.

1:25:50 Drew Wow.

1:25:52 Caller And I just kind of, I don't know, I want other teen moms out there to know that there's a lot of loving families out there who want babies who can't necessarily have them, or would just rather adopt.

1:26:04 Adam Oh, listen, they're probably better parents because they actually want their kids. I mean, if you think about, I don't care whether it's a kid or a car, you actively pursue something, you wait. I mean, let's just talk about cars for a second, because, you know, I like to use that as a sort of general analogy for everything. I know it's time to go to break, but I'm doing a car analogy, Anderson. If you order a car a year in advance, as opposed to somebody just dropping it off over at your house, which one makes a better owner? Just close your eyes and say, which one takes better care of the car? Yeah, so everyone should trade their kids. Trade them in, sell them. What can you get for a good healthy baby these days?

1:26:51 Caller No? No numbers?

1:26:52 Adam You guys don't have those numbers?

1:26:53 Guest No numbers.

1:26:54 Caller Okay.

1:26:55 Adam We'll take a little break. We'll be back. Right back.

1:27:33 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this is Fat Boy Slim, and you're listening to Loveline with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:27:39 Adam Yes, you is. Ah, forget about that phone number. Let's just keep pushing on here. Nancy Sasaki is our guest tonight. She's the CEO and president of Planned Parenthood in Los Angeles. Also, Jenny Biondi is the executive director of the Right to Life of Southern California. She has left the studio, but we had a nice spirited debate with her early on and. That's basically the topic tonight.

1:28:05 Caller Patricia?

1:28:07 Caller Yes.

1:28:08 Adam It is Patricia, right?

1:28:09 Caller Yes, it is.

1:28:10 Adam All right. What's up? You're 26 years old.

1:28:13 Caller Okay. I have, I'm a little concerned. I went to the doctor about two days ago. I wanted to get the morning after pill. And I went after work, so I went through emergency care. I didn't see my regular OBGYN. And when I was waiting in the office to see the doctor, he went ahead and was asking other doctors that were outside of the waiting room if they were aware of this emergency pill as he was referring it to. And the other doctor said, no, I haven't had any history with this pill. I've never dealt with it. And the doctor said, well, it's against my religion. I don't pass out that pill.

1:28:50 Drew You're talking about RU-46 though. You're not talking about...

1:28:54 Caller I'm talking about the morning after pill, the emergency pill.

1:28:58 Drew So, it had been within 72 hours.

1:29:00 Caller It's been, yeah. It was within that time frame.

1:29:04 Drew Oh, boy.

1:29:04 Caller 72 hours.

1:29:05 Drew So, you didn't get it?

1:29:06 Caller And so, what happened was, when I was waiting with the doctor, he came into the office and he sat down. He said, it's against my religion. I don't pass out this pill at all. And I said, okay, well, I'm thinking... I told him, this isn't going to help me what you're telling me about your religion. Is there any way that I could see a doctor that can, you know, prescribe a pill for me? He said, okay, I'm going to call a doctor, an OBGYN. And it turns out that the doctor he called is my OBGYN that I normally see.

1:29:36 Drew Oh, good.

1:29:37 Caller And so...

1:29:38 Adam What's a guy's religion?

1:29:40 Caller And I didn't ask him what his religion was. And I didn't ask him what his religion was. But in any case, my original doctor called and he canceled it. He didn't want the doctor to come in. And he asked me, the doctor that was taking care of me, he asked me, have you ever had this pill before? I said, no, I've never had it. And he said, okay, fine. So he gave out a prescription for me. And he said, go on ahead and take these pills. You take three pills every six hours. And at that point, he was explaining to me how to do it. You know, take the pills and everything. And I was a little concerned because I didn't know if, you know, I just wanted some more feedback from my doctor just to confirm to see if I had the dosage right.

1:30:29 Drew Right, right, right.

1:30:30 Caller And he said, well, you know that you can get pregnant even though you take these pills.

1:30:34 Drew That's true.

1:30:35 Caller And he says, and sometimes I can't, it's very hard in my profession to balance out my religion with my profession. And that just made me really uncomfortable.

1:30:45 Drew Well, now listen, each doctor needs to make decisions that are consistent with their own ethical, religious, moral orientation. It would be perfectly acceptable for him to say, I couldn't do this. It could even explain to you why not. But then I think it is his ethical obligation then to refer you to someone else.

1:31:06 Adam I like the guys that are in the Santa Ria.

1:31:09 Drew I know you do.

1:31:09 Adam Is that him? He wasn't Jewish, I'll tell you that.

1:31:12 Caller And you know, the one thing that really...

1:31:14 Adam Smart religion that Judaism drew. Yeah. All right, Patricia. Thanks, man. That's enough of her. Well, Jesus Christ, she rambles more than I do. We get it. Listen, if you have that trouble with your doctor, that's their right, and it's your right to go somewhere else.

1:31:30 Drew Doctors have to make decisions based on their own moral, ethical perspectives, but they do also owe you a referral if you want something different.

1:31:39 Adam Yeah. I like a doctor who plays God. I know people are often criticized for playing God. I enjoy a guy who plays God.

1:31:46 Drew So you like George Burns to be here.

1:31:48 Adam I'm talking about. I want a guy with a full beard and a robe. I want him to dress like Jesus, really. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable if the guy had a full beard and a thorny crown and he wore the robe and everything? No? Ann?

1:32:02 Yes.

1:32:03 Adam You're 31?

1:32:04 Caller Yes.

1:32:04 Adam What's up?

1:32:05 Caller Hi. Well, I was hoping to talk to you more about some alternatives to the normal medical things. I'm adopted myself and I've chosen to give a child up for adoption. I've chosen an abortion and I've chosen to keep my latest and third pregnancy.

1:32:27 Adam Wow.

1:32:27 Caller I've chosen to keep the child.

1:32:29 Adam You've completed the hat trick.

1:32:31 Caller Nothing like that. Well, they all have karmic life lessons involved.

1:32:36 Adam Sure.

1:32:37 Caller So I have learned a lot. What's the question?

1:32:40 Adam Crazy Earth, mama.

1:32:41 Caller Yeah.

1:32:41 Adam What's up?

1:32:42 Caller Well, I have two questions actually. I've been thinking about why it's legal for our government to steal my child when he does turn 18 and go abroad and kill and be killed, but yet I can't choose to terminate my pregnancy in my own womb.

1:33:02 Caller Yeah.

1:33:02 Adam Well, you can. That's the good news.

1:33:05 Caller It's difficult to obtain in some places.

1:33:08 Drew An abortion?

1:33:09 Caller Yeah.

1:33:10 Adam But the chances of him getting killed abroad in the military are pretty slim too. About the same.

1:33:15 Drew What's the other question?

1:33:17 Caller It's about, I was wondering if you know anything about herbal abortions and or herbs that are used, like the RU-486 comes from a plant, the Queen Anne's Waste.

1:33:32 Adam Yeah.

1:33:32 Drew But why would you want to use the impure chemical and we're unclear on the dose and unclear on the effect?

1:33:38 Adam Because the man has not manufactured it. Manufactured.

1:33:42 Drew Do you hear that?

1:33:44 Adam He can't say manufacture without man. The man. Hey Anne? Listen, Anne, listen, Earth to Earth mama. Don't freak that kid out with your weird hippie funky-tudes, all right?

1:33:59 Drew He'll end up like Adam Corolla.

1:34:00 Adam Right. He'll be eating pie filling straight out of a goddamn can like I do.

1:34:04 Caller Uh-huh.

1:34:05 Adam Chainsmokers.

1:34:06 Caller And there is also a fertility lens. And I was wondering if you knew anything more about that. I actually own one or purchased one.

1:34:14 Drew Fertility lens?

1:34:16 Caller A lens. Yeah. You put a saliva or a vaginal fluid sample and then you hold it up.

1:34:23 Drew Oh, that's to see if the spin bark height is there.

1:34:26 Caller Yeah.

1:34:27 Drew Yes. That's to see if the little leaf pattern is there, right?

1:34:30 Caller Right.

1:34:30 Drew Yeah, it's called spin bark height.

1:34:32 Caller Yeah, and how accurate...

1:34:33 Drew That's very good. That's actually a good method.

1:34:36 Adam All right, there.

1:34:37 Caller That's the one I got pregnant on.

1:34:39 Adam You're one for two, baby.

1:34:40 Drew That's a time-honored method.

1:34:42 Adam All right. And listen, seriously, don't freak that kid out with all that weird health food crap, all right?

1:34:48 Drew There's another name for that leaf pattern.

1:34:49 Adam Well, no one knows who's listening to this show. All right, Ann, good times.

1:34:53 Drew Thanks.

1:34:54 Caller All right.

1:34:55 Adam Crazy. Man, I had one of those health food moms.

1:34:58 Drew I know, look what happened. A warning to all the health food moms out there.

1:35:02 Adam That's right.

1:35:03 Drew Post your child, Adam Corolla, at your service.

1:35:06 Adam We'll be back.

1:35:07 Caller Hello, this is your radio.

1:35:28 Adam Well, there you go. Another Sunday night conversation in the can. I want to thank Nancy Sasaki for coming in here tonight from Planned Parenthood and doing a nice job of making her point and representing Planned Parenthood. I want to thank Jenny Biondi for coming in here.

1:35:47 Drew Do you want to give any phone numbers?

1:35:49 Adam Yeah.

1:35:49 Guest Sure. To reach Planned Parenthood nationwide, you can call 1-800-230-PLAN, P-L-A-N and through that phone number, you can get information on where the nearest clinic is.

1:36:00 Adam Yes. Have that number on your nightstand, everyone, or tape it to your girlfriend's back like I do. So until next time, this is Adam Crawford, Dr. Drew is saying mahalo, all right?

1:36:12 No, not all right.

1:36:14 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on the show are not necessarily the least staffed management sponsors for this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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Sunday, April 8, 2001