Episode 1000754886955

2:06 Content, content.

2:08 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. Love Line Coast to Coast.

2:19 Drew Hey, it is Love Line. I'm Dr. Drew. Adam Corolla is away in Las Vegas. Is he coming up? He'll be coming up soon. He's sitting at a control room in Las Vegas, trying to get an ISDN line set up. I'm here with the Barbie Twins, Shane and Sia. Nice to meet you guys.

2:35 Guest Pleasure being on YouTube.

2:36 Drew They have a new book out called, Dying to Be Healthy, and it's really quite an amazing book.

2:40 Guest Thank you. God, what an endorsement.

2:42 Drew Thank you. Seriously, I wouldn't say it if I really didn't think so. In this book is a very personal discussion about your own struggles with eating disorder, yes? Absolutely. What I like about this is what's folded into it is a discussion about addiction and codependency and recovery.

2:59 Guest Absolutely.

2:59 Drew How those issues sort of go together, because I deal with that all the time.

3:02 Guest All the time, oh yeah.

3:03 Drew I run a large recovery program and in there people often have eating disorders. Right. I see, now you correct me if I'm wrong, what your guys' feelings about this are, but more often than not, when somebody gets real focused on their recovery, the eating disorder symptoms subside very, very nicely. They need to focus on some issues pertaining to that also, but a 12-step recovery very often reduces the symptoms of eating disorder.

3:24 Guest Absolutely. I really do. I believe that it's a three-fold disease. I really do. Like it's a dry drunk if you just, you know, well, I think early on you learn that it's character defects and not that, believe me, it's just the symptoms. So you can just trade off the symptoms. You can transmit the disease. You can be a sexual addict. You can be, oh, excuse me, we went off for a while.

3:46 Drew No, you're fine.

3:47 Guest You're there.

3:48 Drew That's just the wonderful equipment here.

3:50 Guest You could be a sexual addict. You could be an alcoholic. It's all the same thing. It's just a different symptom, but have the same character defects of control, being a victim and all that lovely stuff. And I think- Your drug of choice is either food or the absence of it. Believe me.

4:06 Drew Now, you guys were very, very much sort of public. Your images were all over the world in the early 90s. Yes, mid-90s. And at that same time, you were also suffering with all this.

4:17 Guest Yeah. Actually, I'm never going to blame. I'm going to take responsibility and not be a victim. We had never planned to be in playbore or be a pinup or anything like that. I had always gone to school and wanted to venture that way. I believe that- I don't know which came first, but basically maybe our insecurity made us feel this need to have to do that, and made us feel, okay, we can validate ourselves if we're on the two covers of playboy.

4:45 Drew You had mentioned victimization. Was dad one of the victimizers?

4:49 Guest No.

4:50 Drew Were there males that were victimized? Do you think that was part of trying to gain some sort of control over matters?

4:54 Guest No, I do believe our father was divorced from our mother, and I do notice, I do mention this in the book, that girls that grow up in a family where the father is absent, they do have a tendency to try to validate themselves through men, and either through modeling, stripping, centerfolds.

5:14 Drew So you had that need, you felt?

5:16 Guest Well, he was a good father, though. As alcoholics go? Well, yeah, he was a functional alcoholic that did receive recovery.

5:25 Drew And your mom's in recovery now, too.

5:26 Guest Absolutely.

5:27 Drew And she must be a nice, important role model for you guys.

5:30 Guest Absolutely. She's a therapist, alcohol and drug alcohol.

5:33 Drew What's interesting to me is that we sometimes get, a few people show up when we have guests in the studio, and tonight there was a crowd of people to get your autographs. So do you still get followed around? Is there still a big buzz where you guys go?

5:44 Guest It's so surprising and so flattering that, especially guys after all these, you know, vomiting stories that they still like, as God bless them, because I thought we lost a commodity as a pinup. I think it is, I'm going to pat ourselves on the back, brave of us to talk about this because no one was out there. It's in Hollywood to be a drug addict and alcoholic, like even to sleep around, but for a woman to have an eating disorder, a weight problem, that's just, you know, you lose yourself as a commodity.

6:19 Drew If you admit that you have a problem with that one.

6:22 Guest They are a pig and then you get rid of it, absolutely.

6:25 Drew Now you guys, are your eating disorders active right now?

6:28 Guest Well, you're never cured.

6:29 Drew It's a chronic thing.

6:30 Guest You're never cured. It's a process. No, I'd say we have a lot of years of sobriety now.

6:35 Drew You guys look great.

6:37 Guest Oh, thank you. No, but it doesn't have to do with that. There is time.

6:40 Drew No, but I mean, what did you lose by, you know what I mean, in terms of the commodity?

6:43 Guest Insanity. I notice the sky is blue now. My whole life is different. Yeah. There were times that we've been told to take Prozac. The highs and lows aren't there. It's more serene. Right. Instead of Prozac, I really worked at- There's Adam.

7:03 Drew There's Adam. We hear you.

7:04 Caller Hey.

7:05 Adam Hey there, Barbi Twins.

7:07 Caller Watch out.

7:07 Adam Can you hear me?

7:08 Drew My poor sister can't hear you.

7:09 Guest I can hear you.

7:09 Hi, Adam.

7:11 Adam Hi.

7:11 Guest My husband's a big fan of yours from The Man Show.

7:15 Adam Well, thank him. I'm a big fan of yours from Playboy.

7:19 Drew Well, thank you.

7:20 Adam Yes.

7:21 Drew All the talk of vomiting hasn't shut you down, Adam?

7:24 Adam No.

7:25 He's kinky.

7:27 Adam That's wonderful. I got it all out of my system in the late 80s. What year did that? Well, you guys had a few pictorials, right?

7:37 Guest Yeah, we did two of them in the 90s.

7:39 Adam Oh, in the 90s? Holy Christ. Where's the semen gone? Yeah, that was great. You guys on the beach there and rolling around and by the pool. That was great.

7:54 Drew Not to take you off the frolicking, Adam, but they really have written a substantial book here. And I don't really say that very often if somebody's just sort of talking. You know, I'm pretty critical about books.

8:04 Guest I know. I listen to your show.

8:05 Drew This one is pretty substantial.

8:07 Guest I'm impressed.

8:08 Drew And they wrote it without, nobody, no technical consultant.

8:11 Guest Not even her. I mostly wrote the book.

8:13 Drew Well, don't give away your secrets that way.

8:15 Guest No, what's funny though is that I always, when I listen to you, I thought, well, he really knows how to speak to, I think you do such a brilliant job on MTV to be hip enough yet really know the language of 12 step without turning off people. I think you're doing a good job educating both of you guys. Entertainment wise and all that towards. It's really- Adam, you make it funny. Yeah.

8:37 Adam Oh, great. I saw. Now, what did you guys do? A true Hollywood story?

8:42 Guest We did. It was funny because we actually asked not to do it. They kept asking us, please, please, please, because we're private. I just didn't think we contributed anything. They kept saying, for the book, if you can say your life. I thought, all right, if we can do it without getting too much sensationalized, if we can do it where we can help other women, then that's part of our recovery to give back what was given to us. Because it's difficult talking about it.

9:09 Adam Well, now, we've talked to people who have done those or who have had them done to them. Sometimes people are satisfied with them and sometimes people feel like they weren't portrayed-

9:19 Guest We're bulimic.

9:20 Of course we were satisfied.

9:22 Drew But do you feel- No, no, but do you feel that you were somehow portrayed inaccurately or misrepresented?

9:26 Guest No, they actually were very, very kind, but of course we didn't like the way we looked. You know, it's new. The lighting was horrible.

9:34 Drew That's got to be-

9:35 Guest Put a Caliban burka on us and we were fine.

9:38 Drew I would think that that would make some other women angry. You know, Adam, these women don't like how they look. You know what I'm saying?

9:43 Adam Huge natural breasts on these two. Or at least if not natural, they looked natural and that's all I needed.

9:51 Guest We are natural. We just always saw that as a fat roll. You never knew that we could make a commodity of.

9:57 Adam Two beautiful fat rolls right next to each other in the bra.

10:01 Guest And some fat rolls in the back end too.

10:04 Drew That must be frustrating for them. That just really proves our point.

10:07 Guest I think when you grow up, you don't like them. You do, especially if you have weight problems. So, it was really bizarre for us that we could actually, almost therapy to get your clothes off. And because people that live, that are dysfunctional, always live in the future, that they'll look better. So, you have to at that moment in time say, okay, like it or not, this is it. And you have to come to terms. And when you, you know, when you pose naked, it's, it's, you know, coming to terms with you, living in that moment. And that's really difficult to do.

10:38 Adam Let me ask you guys a tough question, because I was, I think, talking to Drew about it, but I can't remember. A lot of twins, I think, have this me and you against the world kind of syndrome. And you guys feel like you're looking out for each other and covering each other's backs. But do you think you would have been better off as separate people or as twins? Because it seems to me that sometimes twins create this sort of false sense of us against the world. Well, do you know what I'm talking about?

11:11 Guest It's almost dysfunctional to be a twin because right at birth you're codependent. And if you come from an alcoholic family, that's a double-decker. Yeah, it really is because you have, we don't know how it is to be a singleton. Normal, absolutely. So right away we're finishing each other's sentences. You know, there's a lot. Well, the main thing is when you're young, a child develops their own ego boundaries. Twin doesn't. We kind of, we don't know where ours end and start. So right there we have an identity problem. Speak for yourself.

11:45 Adam Now, are you guys together? Are you together each and every day?

11:48 Guest No. Oh, no, no. She's married to Ken Wall, who, by the way, inspired me to write the book.

11:54 Drew Really?

11:54 Guest Yes, he did. In Recovery and Alcoholics.

11:57 Drew He's mentioning.

11:58 Adam What's the longest you've gone without seeing each other?

12:02 Guest When I lived in Hawaii, that was about two years. Right.

12:05 Adam Oh, really?

12:06 Guest You guys were apart for that long? We don't miss seeing each other. I know how she looks. I look in the mirror. That's fine. We do talk to each other quite a bit on the phone. You know what's really insulting is when people ask us if we're into each other, please, we have higher standards than that. Been there, done that too.

12:22 Caller Deja vu.

12:23 Adam We get the same question. All right, Drew, you want to take some calls?

12:27 Drew Let's go right ahead. Here we go. This is Justin 15.

12:31 Caller Yes. Whenever I started coming out to my friends and stuff because I'm gay, and I've come out to a lot of my friends and I'm in 10th grade, and last year is when I started telling people. I told my mom about a week or two ago, and she was fine with it too. She said she still loved me and she won't love me any less. That's nice. But she said she doesn't want me coming out at school because, do you remember the Matthew Shepard thing that happened in 1998, I think it was?

13:02 Drew In Wyoming? Yes.

13:03 Caller Sure. Yes, of course. She doesn't want that.

13:06 Drew I think that's very interesting that mom picked up the banner for you and worried about what is worrying on your behalf for things that most of our callers usually worry about. But I think that's a fantasy on her part that somehow, I really think that you need to decide for yourself what you want to do, and not let her anxieties dissuade you. It sounds like you've handled this in a very mature way. You've been slowly telling people, you've been testing the water, people are okay, you're developing a support base, then you tell your mom, she's good with it. I think you can go on and continue to represent yourself to the world as you are, without being too fearful.

13:41 Adam Fifteen, he's in the ninth or tenth grade at high school level?

13:44 Drew Yeah, but they're accepting him. He's had good results so far.

13:47 Adam I know, but why chance it?

13:49 Drew Well, how big are you, Justin?

13:51 Caller Well, what do you mean?

13:52 Drew I think it's a viable question, because if he's 6'4, 250, you got nothing to worry about.

13:57 Caller Well, I'm 6, I'm like 5'11, 6'8, almost, and I weigh about 140 and I'm not like big.

14:04 Adam That ain't going to work.

14:05 Drew No.

14:06 Adam No. Tell everyone you're straight, buy it worst. Justin, look, I don't mean to poke fun, but in high school, it's not a good idea to announce that you're uncircumcised.

14:18 Drew That you're anything.

14:19 Adam It's not a good idea to announce anything.

14:21 Drew That you like decaf coffee.

14:23 Adam Right. Because people are looking for an opening in which to make fun of you with and they will find it. But why give them that? I don't mean you have to cower in shame and in fear.

14:34 Caller Well, it's just I want to tell everybody that way I don't have to act like I'm straight or whatever.

14:41 Drew I understand.

14:41 Caller I have a lot of friends that, I mean, they help me out and stuff. And I mean, I'm not saying, I just want to know if there's any security precautions I can take to make sure, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that I'm taking my mom's side about not coming out because I really want to because I'm pretty sure I'm 100% gay because I've experienced these feelings forever and I try to push away and they just keep coming back.

15:06 Drew No, Justin, it's not about whether or not you're gay. It's about what is in the interest of prudence and safety. And listen, it sounds like you've handled things just properly so far. You have a great group of supportive friends. Keep them around you.

15:18 Adam That's all. Maybe mom doesn't want her kid being gay and have to deal with the PTA and the open house and all that crap. You know what I'm saying?

15:28 Drew I think she'd be OK with that. I just think she has a little fantasy that somehow every gay child, gay male gets beaten up.

15:33 Guest Can I add something? My mother is gay. She's a lesbian. And I think she handles it very well in the way that she doesn't announce it. It's more like it's understood. So you get it if you're supposed to get it. If not, if you're ignorant, you won't. She doesn't push it on people whatsoever. So the ignorant people that are, I mean, they'll pick up on, the ignorant people will pick on people that are feminine, not necessarily gay. So if it's understood, he's going to be kind of drawn to the right people.

16:07 Drew Was she really struggling with her sexual identity when you guys were growing up?

16:10 Guest Not at all. No.

16:11 Drew She already knew she was gay then?

16:13 Guest She just wanted kids. She lived with a, yeah. She always, okay.

16:18 Adam Do you think that affected you guys in being so incredibly straight?

16:23 Guest Yeah. No, it's funny because we're very, we're not, we're very kind of tomboyish in everything. Our image is more our mother. She's very feminine. She was a beauty contestant, just a model, the whole thing. People would call lipstick lesbian all the way. Very feminine. And yet my sister and I were very tomboyish. And into sports and everything like that. She lived with a woman and I think she felt very good about that. And she only told us when we were 18. I mean, appropriately. You understood. Yeah.

16:53 Drew Was there a family at any point in your life?

16:55 Guest The only thing. With her?

16:56 No.

16:57 Drew But dad was like just sperm donor? I mean, what was that?

16:59 Guest No, actually they split when we were about three. She saw him and she said, oh, he'd make nice looking kids.

17:05 Drew Yeah.

17:06 Guest And so she got married. And then she just knew, she tells me that she feels that gay is not a choice. It is in you.

17:16 Drew It's in her, sure.

17:17 Guest Yes. And I believe that because she tried to make it work with my father and she knew it was just basically for kids. She wanted to be a mother and she wanted to have a family, but then she found herself that it wasn't being completely honest. The dysfunctional part is having to identify with this guy because it's, yeah, you kind of get so that you're, you feel like you're lying if you're not being honest.

17:39 Drew Interesting.

17:39 Guest But I agree with you, it's none of anyone's business. He just wants to, you know, load it out like I did.

17:46 Drew Brandi, 15.

17:47 Yep.

17:48 Drew Hey Brandi, what's up?

17:49 Well, I'm sleeping with a married man.

17:52 Drew At 15, how old is he?

17:54 29.

17:55 Drew Does he have any kids?

17:56 Yeah, he has four.

17:58 Drew He's quite a gentleman. Sir Walter Raleigh, is that his name?

18:01 Adam Yeah, what a dynamite individual. I'd like to get to know him better.

18:05 Drew In fact, let's elect him to office or something. He really should be a leader amongst men.

18:09 Well, I called before when Psalm 41 was on, and I asked you guys what I should do, and you guys told me to leave him alone.

18:15 Drew Yeah.

18:16 Well, we just kind of started having sex.

18:20 Drew Ladies, let's let the Barbie twins chime in here.

18:23 Guest Oh, didn't listen to them the first time, did you?

18:26 Drew Well, she had listened to a bunch of guys, is the point. Maybe you guys can get through to her.

18:29 Guest You know, I have to say that if you're 15, this guy is a pervert. I mean, no two ways about it, he's just using you.

18:38 I know, I understand that, but it's like, it's...

18:42 Guest You got to think about the honesty issue. He has a commitment with a woman, and you wouldn't want to be that other woman. You have to have some kind of respect. Oh, he's married? Yeah.

18:52 Drew Married with four kids.

18:53 Guest You got to have some kind of respect for that other woman. Yeah. See, the more you get involved with this guy... He doesn't care about you. He's going to be doing this to other women too, because there's no commitment here from his side... .that oxytocin is going to be flowing in you. You're going to invest yourself in him, and he's going to just walk away, find another 50-year-old.

19:12 Drew Yeah, Brandy, you don't exist to him. That's the reality. You're just an object.

19:16 Guest You're just a young toy.

19:17 Drew Yeah. And...

19:18 Guest I feel bad for you.

19:20 Adam Well, to be fair to Brandy, his wife probably doesn't exist to him either.

19:24 Drew That's true. Nor to his kids, for that matter. But the fact is...

19:27 Guest Don't give her hope.

19:28 Drew I'm more curious about what it is that would make Brandy find this in an acceptable situation.

19:33 Um, I don't know. It's like sometimes he makes me feel really special.

19:37 Drew Do you think that she maybe has an absent father kind of thing, too? Like you guys had to deal with? Is it just that kind of thing?

19:42 Guest Yes. Also, what she probably... True or false, Brandy? Do you feel that you want to live out the fantasy and you feel like you're living it out, getting it out of your system by being with him?

19:53 Well, okay, I was thinking about it and I think that I'm doing this because my dad wasn't there and I'm kind of looking for a father figure and in a way he is, but it's like there's something else there.

20:07 Drew Yeah, there's something else there in that I was...

20:09 Guest He's giving you more attention than your dad did.

20:11 Drew Exactly. Well, that and I think Brandy's got more going on than just an abandoning father.

20:16 Yeah, I do, but...

20:18 Guest See, the bad thing is that you're starting to use your sexuality as a manipulation to get men into your life and that's a really bad road to go down. That's what strippers and prostitutes do because they had father issues and it's good to be right away to develop healthy relationships and to go to therapy about your dad. I mean, your dad will be always how he is. He won't change, but you're not going to find it by manipulating your sexuality towards him.

20:44 Adam All right, but listen, you called once before. We told you to get away from this guy and you slept with him. So look, let's use a little reverse psychology. Marry this guy and have his kids.

20:56 Drew Have many kids.

20:56 Adam Promise me you'll do that. Don't call back until you're pregnant.

21:00 Drew With the third child.

21:01 Adam With his fifth. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Well, you know, I don't blame, and especially if I look like the Barbie twins growing up. Oh my God. And by the way, I'd like to buy one of your eggs. Drew, what do you think?

21:19 Drew There's a harvesting procedure I can go through this evening if you want.

21:22 Adam Start the stimulation. I'm going to harvest one tonight.

21:25 Guest They're on eBay.

21:27 Adam Clear out the freezer. Throw Lakers' lean cuisines out in the hall. We need room in that freezer for a Barbie Twin egg. But as a woman, when you're a little bit screwy and your dad left you, and you're spinning around emotionally, and you have something that guys want, I know we can tell them not to do it, not to rely on it, not to fall back on that. But how can they really do that? Do you know what I mean?

21:52 Drew What are the other ways that they can get out from under that?

21:56 Guest You could say you have other options. Because when you say don't, they're going to use it.

22:00 Drew But it's such a drive for them to use arousal and to use their sensuality.

22:04 Guest Because it's so easy, though.

22:06 Drew But what can give them some sort of gratification in life?

22:09 Guest To look at it as a challenge. Just to say that's too damn easy. Anyone can do that. You're above that. Use something else. There's other options. Go down those paths. Like a challenge. I always wanted to be an athlete when I was young and I wasn't good at sports. But it was a challenge, so I went for it. Just like that.

22:28 Drew Interesting.

22:29 Adam All right, Drew, it looks like we got to take a break here, right?

22:32 Drew Absolutely. Is your nose still stuffed up?

22:35 Adam Yeah, a little bit. I'm feeling good.

22:37 Drew Yeah. All right. So I can get throw to break?

22:40 Adam Yeah. Why don't you do that?

22:41 Drew All right. We're here with the Barbie twins. When we come back, we're going to talk to Dawn, who says that one of the twins said something that really impressed her when we get back. We're back at Loveline. Adam is in Las Vegas, right? Yep.

23:27 Guest Yep.

23:27 Drew We're here with the Barbie Twins. They have a new book called Dying to Be Healthy. All the proceeds from that book is going to what organization?

23:33 Guest Different various eating disorders that there's a list in here.

23:37 Drew And I kid you not, this is a substantial book.

23:41 Adam And Drew, stop being condescending. And do you guys have enough money that you can just give it away?

23:48 Guest I was just telling Drew, we felt so guilty of all our blood money from all this T&A. We decided to... We made good money doing nothing. We're also doing a calendar signing tomorrow. That's what else we wanted to plug. And those proceeds will be going to the firemen and policemen in USO this September 11th. It's a tribute to our veterans. Our father was our favorite vet, of course, a Navy pilot. But we really want to... Veterans Day is coming up. We thought it was very appropriate to do a tribute calendar signing. Our poster is a number one selling poster with the military right now, cause it has a flag.

24:26 Drew That's why the guys go for it. There's a flag in the picture.

24:29 Guest That's all I can figure out.

24:31 Adam What is on this calendar?

24:33 Guest The calendar is just us... It's funny. Posing. Yeah. But we're bigger. Yeah, we're size 10.

24:41 Drew You're bigger what?

24:42 Guest We're in the hips and legs. We used to be like a size two. It was just insane. Two, please. We never been that. Okay, well. Don't exaggerate. Maybe a four. But, yeah, we're bigger, so we're trying.

24:52 Drew What are you now, four and a half?

24:53 Guest No. No. We're size 10 or eight. Yeah. Yeah, we're big still. But the thing is small bone, but big.

25:00 Adam How big? How tall are you guys? You guys are tall, right?

25:04 Guest Yeah, five, nine.

25:05 Adam And D cups?

25:08 Guest No, we're 34C about. We're, you know, we're not as big as people think we are. So when we say we are big, I'm saying that we look like a wrestler. Yes, we're muscular. We're bringing out the healthy look, hopefully. And hopefully, we're also motivation for women, because basically, we're saying if we can do it, you can do it. I mean, we became so fat efficient from all the starving we did, and we just took our knowledge and applied it towards our life. And I think we look healthier and better now.

25:38 Drew I want to hear what Dawn's got to say. Dawn, 22.

25:40 Guest Yeah. Okay. Earlier, one of the Barbie twins said something about thinking in the future and living for the future, like one day I'm going to be this and then I'm going to do this. You know what I'm saying? Or am I not making sense?

25:55 Guest Oh, I sure do. Okay. The thing about living in the future, it's kind of dysfunctional thinking. Through therapy, I've been taught to live in the now or not in your senses. A lot of, you know, drug addicts say, yeah, they don't have any future goals or anything like that. If you live a healthy life, you should live in the moment. That most of us daydream in the future or we live in the past. A big secret, big key, gratitude. That's the difference. Yeah. Appreciate what you're doing and do two things, contributing and connecting in the world, and that keeps you in the now, but out of the body by doing charadeen, something contributing.

26:35 Guest Well, my question is this, I guess I'll explain a little bit first. I remember being 18 and looking in the mirror and saying, okay, I'm going to quit this destructive behavior and that, and this and that, and by the time I'm 21, I'm going to come out as this kind of person. You know what I'm saying?

26:52 Adam Yeah.

26:53 Guest Then about three days ago, I did it again. By the time I'm 25, I'm going to do it, and I didn't link it with the time before. And I never knew that anybody else felt that way until she had said that. And I was wondering, you know, how do you really...

27:10 Guest Yeah, I did that with the dieting. In two weeks, I'll be thin and perfect. Right now, I didn't want to be in my body. You just... It's really... It's an unhealthy way of thinking. You have to do your best today and appreciate what you've done in the progress, not the perfection. You're going for the perfection, something in the future, and the future doesn't exist. I mean, who knows? We could all blow up tomorrow.

27:31 Guest Yeah.

27:32 Guest So you have to just live in the now.

27:33 Guest We could have been in the World Trade Center, you know?

27:35 Adam That's nice. I'll be on a plane in about 16 hours. Sorry. Thank you. Heading back to LA., and let me just say this. Do you guys get out to Vegas much?

27:46 Guest We did MTV Spring Break.

27:48 Adam Yeah. And, Drew, you've been to Vegas many times. Do you notice how ill people speak of Los Angeles, the folks who live in Vegas? It seems like every cab driver is a transplant from LA. And they have no remorse. They're like, where are you in from?

28:05 Guest LA. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.

28:07 Adam I used to live out in LA., but the corrosive smog, the riots, the crime, the high taxes, earthquakes, I got the hell out of there. And you're like, yeah, thanks, A-hole. I'm going home tomorrow. I'll be raising my kids there. Thanks. Thank you very much. Do you want a tip now?

28:23 Drew Normally, I get those guys up in Big Bear and Northern California.

28:28 Adam You'll get them in Vegas, too, Drew.

28:30 Drew Good times. All right, this is Jason. He's 25.

28:34 Hey, I can't believe I'm on. I had a question, I guess it's kind of for Dr. Drew, but I'd like to hear what Adam has to say. But I just met a girl and just met her, so I'm not in love or anything. And she told me that she has herpes. And I guess I'm just kind of trying to get the best information I can and to make a good decision.

28:54 Adam Which herpes?

28:55 Drew She has genital herpes?

28:57 Yeah, I think so. But I should probably have to clarify that with her.

29:00 Drew Yeah, well, she can take a medication that will decrease the probability that a virus is being shed or that she'll have an outbreak. You can wear condoms and decrease the probability of contracting the disease. And if you limit your contact to a time in which she's not experiencing any symptoms and wear a condom, it's a reasonable risk.

29:19 Adam Yeah, if he wears a condom, she could have a bloody ulcer, he could put a condom on, he'd be fine. But Jason, when did she drop this herpes bomb on you?

29:28 Well, I met her Thursday and then Friday, we went out and she stayed over at my house. And we're like, just like in the bed and stuff.

29:37 Adam And what were you guys doing?

29:39 Well, I like sucked on her nipples and stuff, and pulling around kind of stuff. Uh-huh.

29:46 Adam Sucked on nipples.

29:47 And then when I tried to kind of go for this and that, she stopped me. And then we're just kind of cuddling.

29:53 Guest Maybe she just wanted to stop.

29:54 Drew Well, that could be an excuse to get you to stop. On the other hand, I'm impressed that she gave you the information up front. A lot of people sort of let her in.

30:02 Adam Hold on a second.

30:03 Drew Nobody's that honest.

30:07 Adam No, hold on. Nobody says, stop, I have herpes, uses herpes. They just say, I crapped my pants. Don't go down there. It's less humiliating, please. Nobody uses herpes as an excuse.

30:20 Drew So you mean it must be true.

30:22 She's just an honest person. It is true.

30:25 Adam It is true. Well, look, you're Barbie.

30:28 Yeah. Well, she told Mixed Us, kind of telling her, I just tried to avoid getting anyone pregnant or getting us to meet.

30:34 Drew I'm just, she sounds like a substantial person.

30:35 Adam Yeah, she's a keeper. It's genital herpes, by the way. I mean, that's why she stopped you, right?

30:44 Drew Right, that must be what she's talking about. But I think this is a, for John. Move forward.

30:49 Adam What?

30:49 Drew I think you should for John with that relationship, yeah.

30:51 Adam All right.

30:52 Drew Jimmy, 13, Jimmy.

30:54 Caller Yeah.

30:54 Drew Hi, Jimmy, what's up?

30:55 Caller Well, I was at school today.

30:57 Caller Yeah. You guys were talking, like, if you masturbate too much, that your penis won't grow right.

31:03 Drew Won't grow back?

31:04 Caller Won't grow right.

31:05 Drew Won't grow right. I'm going to put you on hold because that phone connection is awful. Adam, you've been experimenting with this for years.

31:11 Adam Well, I was going to say it's untrue, but then I took a look down and thought, the kid may have a point.

31:16 Drew Maybe that's the problem here.

31:17 Guest Would you like a calendar?

31:19 Adam Yeah. Well, you Barbie twins already screwed my penis up in the early 90s.

31:24 Drew That was the incident where you- That was that incident, wasn't it? They just saw it back on.

31:28 Adam Now, I really mean it. I feverishly beat off to these two and they're both pictorials.

31:35 Drew I'm sure they're very impressed with that information.

31:38 I can hear every compliment.

31:40 Drew I'm very dysfunctional here. I thought it was Jenna Jameson that caused you to pull your penis off.

31:46 Adam Well, it had just healed from the Barbie twin.

31:50 Drew I see, I see.

31:51 Adam It scarred over and the doctor said it was coming along nicely and then the Jenna Jameson on DVD came out and then it went again.

31:59 Caller Oh, there was that pow, pop.

32:00 Adam That's right. Now I'm keeping it off.

32:01 Drew This is TC who's also 13. Where do you keep it, Adam?

32:07 Adam Yeah, you think I'm going to tell you so it'll wind up up your ass? How dare you?

32:11 Drew TC, go ahead.

32:11 Adam I'll never see it again.

32:13 Guest Hey.

32:13 Drew Hey there.

32:14 Guest I got a joke for you.

32:15 Drew For Adam, I hope. For both of you.

32:17 Adam All right, go ahead, TC.

32:19 Guest Okay. God brings Asada Bin Laden and George Bush together.

32:25 Adam Yeah?

32:25 He asked Bin Laden, you get one wish. What is it?

32:28 Guest And Bin Laden says, put a 100-foot wall around Afghanistan. And then God says, granted. And then he asks George Bush, and he says, what would you like? And so George Bush thinks for a minute, and then he says, fill Afghanistan full of water.

32:43 Adam Oh, yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's a...

32:47 Drew A few words of encouragement, Adam. He had the way of us coming on the radio.

32:50 Adam Let me give you a tip, TC. You're young. You didn't make fun of the Pollocks, the Jews, the blacks. There was almost no racial stuff in there at all.

32:58 Drew So he's got to work on that?

33:00 Adam Yeah, that's the cornerstone to good comedy. You can work religions, you can work ethnicities.

33:05 Drew Shame, humiliation, abuse. Those are the three key words in comedy. Is that right? Right, right.

33:10 Adam But it was clean.

33:13 Drew Mike is 20.

33:14 Adam But clean without funny is an empty victory.

33:16 Drew I see.

33:16 Well, I don't care about your comment.

33:18 Drew Mike? Mike?

33:22 Adam Mike just told you to hold on, Drew.

33:24 Drew I'm dropping him off here. Katie, 17. Katie?

33:29 Adam You're on a roll.

33:30 Drew Katie?

33:31 Can you hear me?

33:32 Drew There we are. Go ahead.

33:33 Okay. My question is, isn't it possible to get pregnant if Jack's off and then fingers you?

33:41 Adam With the same hand?

33:42 Drew Yeah. But Katie, you could dream up a scenario easily as any of us can, whereby there's a possibility this stuff can happen, right?

33:52 No, it actually did happen.

33:53 Drew No, I understand it actually did happen, but-

33:55 Adam I see.

33:56 Drew The point is no one could give you a number that predicts the probability that some sort of haphazard encounter with semen, the probability that would lead to a pregnancy. If you are concerned, you ought to take emergency contraception. It's something you can take within 72 hours of contact that will prevent an egg from being released and prevent a pregnancy.

34:16 Adam He did this to himself and then he did you?

34:19 Drew Yeah.

34:21 Adam I tell you, I think this guy is a keeper because I always say I'm going to do stuff to women and then I beat off and then I call it a night.

34:28 Guest You fall asleep and smoke?

34:29 Adam Yeah, I fall right asleep. Yeah, I get myself pregnant. I mean, I got all kinds of grandiose plans for the woman, but then once I get off, that's it. So the fact that this guy kept going at you after he was done is quite a testament to as well.

34:45 Drew But it was with his hand, though, see?

34:47 Adam With his hand. And, Katie, you didn't get him to do that move where he wipes it under his armpit real fast or anything?

34:55 Drew How long ago did this happen, Katie?

34:56 How what, what?

34:57 Drew How long ago did this happen?

34:59 Well, the first time I actually realized it was happening was Saturday night.

35:03 Drew So we're more than three days out. So how about the last time?

35:08 I'm sorry, what?

35:09 Drew You said that was the first time you realized it had happened.

35:12 Yeah, see, we've been kind of like doing stuff since the middle of October.

35:16 Drew So Saturday night was the first time. When was the next time?

35:19 No, see, that was the first time I actually noticed it. I think it happened before that.

35:22 Drew I see. The last time.

35:23 Adam This guy sounds like quite a gentleman, by the way. Let me, Katie, I'm gonna try to describe this guy to me. You tell me if I'm wrong, all right? I'm picturing a guy, monogram, blazer, ascot.

35:40 Drew Post-graduate educated.

35:41 Adam Post-graduate education, of course. Well traveled.

35:45 Drew It's like a young Thurston Howell.

35:47 Adam Yeah, tassels on his shoes, has a pewter cigarette case that he uses, always opens the door first for the ladies. Am I right?

35:57 Guest A little OCD.

35:58 I hate to break it to you because you're usually always right, but you are so far off.

36:02 Drew Oh, he's shocked. Shocked.

36:03 Adam Shocked.

36:04 Guest Going the other way.

36:07 Adam Were you telling me this guy has a mullet and drives a lowered pickup truck?

36:11 No, really he's a good guy. He's 18. He's in school with me. He's going to college.

36:16 Drew And he wears a mullet and drives a lowered pickup truck.

36:19 Adam He can't wipe his hand off before he goes in?

36:22 See, I don't know if he realized it. See, what usually happens is he does this when I give him head.

36:29 Adam Oh, he finishes himself off.

36:31 No, it takes him too long, so I let him do it and then I just finish it for him.

36:34 Drew All right, just be careful. I see, okay. Look at what they say here, be careful. This is Will 29. Will?

36:40 Adam Hello.

36:40 Drew What are you going to say? Get the morning after, I'll put it in your medicine cabinet. Use it if you feel you've been exposed and be careful.

36:47 Adam Yeah, she's not pregnant.

36:48 Drew Will.

36:49 Caller Hi. Hi Will. I have a weird question. My brother, he was into like veganism. And then he went into raw, where they don't eat any food or any food that's cooked.

37:02 Guest Hygienic. Just raw nuts, fruits and vegetables. We did that for years.

37:06 Drew You did that too, huh?

37:08 Caller Okay.

37:08 Adam How'd that work?

37:10 Guest I liked it.

37:11 Adam All right.

37:12 Caller And then Will? He started reading about breathitarianism, where you don't eat any food whatsoever and you're supposed to like live longer or something like that.

37:22 Drew Eat no food whatsoever?

37:23 Caller Yeah.

37:24 Drew There is such a thing?

37:24 Caller You're supposed to like stare at the sun for a little bit in the morning or something stupid like that.

37:29 Drew Oh, my God.

37:30 Guest Did he read the 20th, Survival of the 21st Century? Had to. Went to Hippocrates.

37:35 Caller He read a couple of things.

37:37 Guest I read the same one.

37:38 Caller There's a website out of Australia that talks about it.

37:42 Guest He's definitely believing it because we went that direction.

37:45 Adam Jesus Christ. I took a 50-minute flight from LA and was pissed off because I only ate twice on it.

37:54 Guest You know what it is? It's obsessive in the way that he wants to do better. He's competing with himself. First he competed with what's the most outrageous and it's never enough. So that he's at the point of not eating.

38:08 You won't be like a yogi.

38:10 Caller I wasn't thinking too much about it. We were out in the middle of nowhere. He had his back turned. Obviously he was taking a piss. I went up to talk to him and he turned around and he had a jar in his hand and then he drank from it.

38:25 Guest He drank the piss.

38:26 Drew That's nice.

38:27 Caller And I wonder what kind of damage, I mean, because he said he does research and like you can drink it four times and it's not toxic or something like that.

38:34 Guest Well I mean they use it like a vaccine or homeopathic where it's supposed to trigger your own immune system. I've heard good and it's contradicting but it's also radical. Yeah, it's very radical.

38:46 Drew I call it crazy.

38:47 Adam Yeah, and you jump in and what about number two? What's he, what's he doing with that? No, you don't eat that? Just number one.

38:54 Guest Put him away if it's number two. But you can tell how healthy you are by your number two.

38:58 Caller But you've, like the twins have heard about this though.

39:01 Guest Oh yes.

39:02 Caller Interesting, okay so what, I mean, he says-

39:04 Guest I like being a vegan but yeah, I've met radical vegans that did get to the point that it's called autolization, like a potato put in water, how the potato grows roots through its own cells, that's what you're doing is, you're trying, you're almost fasting off your ketosis off your own body.

39:22 Drew If potato uses water though to create carbohydrate.

39:24 Guest Yes, well, I know it, it's a very good point.

39:27 Guest Well they try to say sunshine in your own urine and just very minimal eating, a little bit of-

39:32 Drew That is such total unadulterated-

39:34 Guest Some people are fruitarians where they just eat fruit, no- Yeah, even as a vegetarian, it's hard to advocate that because very few people know how to eat properly or the proper protein and instead they turn to sugar, therefore making that cycle of hypoglycemic. Yeah, I'd have to say probably the smartest doctor out there that really knows his stuff is Dr. Barry Sears with The Zone. He got a Nobel Prize with the Aspirin because he talks about a caustionnoids and he really, it's not a voodoo thing, but he really shows you that the bodies have never changed since the caveman days. They're dictated by hormones. Yeah, and that we should be grazing nuts, fruits, and vegetables and meat. We're hunters, that our bodies are made for that.

40:18 Adam Listen, tell your brother, hold on a second.

40:21 Drew He's got some serious problems. Whether or not it's primary disorder.

40:23 Adam Yeah, how come you didn't make fun of him and kick his ass right there on the spot? This guy's a serious, serious disorder.

40:29 Guest He's weak. He's weak. He needs some food.

40:31 Drew He comes from the same family that his brother comes from.

40:34 Adam Yeah, you live off urine and pollen that you inhale when you run.

40:38 Drew No, listen, he is either some major psychiatric disturbance. If it's a primary eating disorder, it may just be that, but it may be a much more serious thought disturbance.

40:47 Adam Look, anytime you get too crazy about what you put in you, whether it's food or a penis, it's obsessive compulsive. It's obsessive compulsive. Thank you. Everyone needs a nice balance.

40:58 Drew Of penis and food. Yes. In his case, the urine, the B win can develop. You can develop an encephalopathy. It can be very serious. You can actually become uremic from that. All right, so we're going to take a break now. We're here at the Barbie Twins. The book is Dying to Be Healthy. They are doing an autograph signing of their calendar. Tomorrow where?

41:17 Guest Tower Records on Sunset from 7 to 9, 7 o'clock.

41:21 Drew PM.

41:21 Guest Yes, and it's a whole tribute for the veterans, so we're going to sing the national anthem. The proceeds go towards a relief fund, so it will be fun, like a party.

41:29 Drew Come, come, come. I'm Dr. Drew, I'm here in Los Angeles, and Adam is in Las Vegas. We'll be back.

41:36 Caller Love Line with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

41:37 Guest 1-800-LOVE-191 Hey, it's Leblay.

42:04 Adam Adam.

42:05 Guest Yep.

42:06 Drew What's going on?

42:07 Adam All right, Drew, doing a wonderful job there at the Hill.

42:10 Drew I just thought I'd give you a chance to, you know, see what you're doing.

42:13 Adam See and Shane are both here. They is the Barbie twins. I passed their billboard on Sunset Boulevard many, many times as a young lad. Well, not so young, actually. Dying to Be Healthy is the name of the book. They're doing a signing tomorrow at seven. Where?

42:30 Guest A calendar signing.

42:31 Drew Tower Sunset.

42:31 Guest Tower Records on Sunset, yeah.

42:33 Adam All righty.

42:35 Guest At seven o'clock.

42:36 Drew This is Eric. He's 22. Eric.

42:38 Caller Hey, how are you guys doing?

42:40 Drew Good.

42:40 Caller What's up?

42:41 Caller My question is, well, I'd just like to say hi to everybody there. I love the show.

42:45 Adam Thanks.

42:46 Caller My question is, I've got a friend who's in the process of going through being a transsexual, and he claims that the reason is that there's a part of his brain that identifies what sex he is, and there's another part of the brain that identifies what sex he's attracted to.

43:02 Drew Yes.

43:03 Caller Right now, he's a male, and he's always been attracted to females, but he's always thought of himself as female, so I'd like to know from Dr. Drew.

43:11 Drew So he is a male-to-female transsexual who is going to have lesbian relationships when he becomes a female.

43:17 Caller Exactly.

43:18 Drew Which is what most of the male-to-female transsexuals do.

43:21 Adam Well, they're all male-to-female, too.

43:23 Drew What do you mean?

43:24 Adam Well, there's barely any female-to-male transsexuals.

43:27 Drew Less common, but when I first, I've encountered a number of these in psychiatric hospitals, and when I first started hearing that they were becoming female to have relationships with women, I had a diagram. It just completely warped my brain. It's like, wait a minute. You have to become a female to have a relationship with females?

43:43 Guest Because some women say women know women better than, who knows a woman better than a woman.

43:47 Adam Listen, tuck your penis between your legs and get busy with your tongue, for Christ's sake. That'll be my move on the twins, by the way.

43:55 Guest There's two types of transsexuals, gay and straight transsexuals, if you think about it.

44:01 Adam But there's not that many men who are interested in becoming women so that they can have men.

44:08 Drew Oh, yeah. There's a striking number that want to have, but not just women, lesbian women. They want to be with lesbians.

44:18 Guest Not as many as transsexuals that they are obsessed with becoming a woman to be in a man's world.

44:24 Drew You'd be surprised.

44:25 Guest Yeah, I know.

44:26 Drew There are quite a few, but...

44:28 Adam But the irony is you don't end up in a man's world, you end up in a freak's world, because it doesn't work out.

44:35 Guest Well, people call us freaks, so...

44:38 Adam Yeah, but look, these guys are... There's no transsexual calendars, believe you me. And if there are, there's no military guys whacking off to it, I'll tell you that, right now.

44:49 Drew But wait a minute, we're getting out...

44:50 Adam Not in this man's army.

44:51 Drew We're getting unfocused here.

44:53 Adam Okay, go ahead.

44:54 Drew That this guy is going to become a woman to have a relationship with lesbians, because lesbians will not have a man, right? So the only way he gets to have a relationship with a lesbian is to be a woman himself. And there's something about lesbians that these guys find extremely compelling and attractive.

45:11 Adam But how many, yeah.

45:12 Drew And they also have something about their own sexuality that they need to sort of cast off.

45:17 Caller But is that true about the brain, one identifying what's sex?

45:20 Drew Yeah, people do think of it that way, that sexual orientation and sexual identity are two different things, and I think that's probably true.

45:26 Caller So this is scientifically a factor?

45:28 Drew Well, it's an area that's a fluid area of study, because it's not that well understood. But yeah, I think that's how people think of it.

45:36 Adam This guy's definitely crazy. Don't kid yourself.

45:39 Caller Oh.

45:41 Adam There's no biological mandate. He's nuts.

45:43 Drew Well, but it's all biological anyway, isn't it?

45:47 Guest Hey, guys. How you doing?

45:48 Adam Good.

45:49 Guest Really quick before I get to my question. I think Drew was saying that there was like no Civil War stuff in Atlanta.

45:55 Drew It's hard to find.

45:56 Guest Yeah, there's this place called the Cyclorama.

45:58 Drew I've been to the Cyclorama, and the last time I was in Atlanta, I was searching for something Civil War, and that was the only thing they could bring me to. And I was the only person sitting in this huge, amazing museum. I was the only person in it. And then I go, it's Atlanta.

46:11 Adam True. They don't have that many geeks in Atlanta, apparently.

46:14 Drew I guess I was the only one. I was just there again yesterday, stayed at the Carter Center. That dinner with Rosalind Carter was great. I don't know, the Carter Center is sort of in the Martin Luther King Memorial to me, or what Atlanta is about. That's nice.

46:28 Guest Okay.

46:28 Adam So the question is?

46:30 Guest The question is, I guess this is more for like the twins, I guess they would know. Andrew, basically I have problems with my girlfriends. I have always argued with them, and I cannot have a same relationship. I just keep on arguing and making up stupid reasons to have fights, and then they usually break up with me, and the only ones I stay with are the ones that do the same back to me.

46:53 Drew All right. Hold on. We're adding, we're actually out of time, so with this is something we can start up with our next segment.

46:58 Adam Okay. So we'll take a little break. We'll be back with the Barbie twins and Drew and our last caller after this.

47:07 Caller Alright, guys, here's the deal.

47:08 Caller You're looking to hook up, sick of wasting time with the wrong person?

47:11 Guest One call is all you need to make. Call the Dateline.

47:14 877-889-DATE.

47:16 Drew Call the Dateline. Love Line, I'm Dr. Drew, I'm here with the Barbie Twins, Sia and Shane. Adam is in Las Vegas. What are you doing there in Las Vegas?

48:04 Guest Gambling.

48:05 Adam Actually, I'm working.

48:07 Guest Oh, yeah.

48:08 Drew Shocking.

48:09 Caller Yeah, well, if you want to call what I do work.

48:12 Drew Are you dancing, or what is it you do there when you're in Vegas?

48:14 Guest He's working women.

48:15 Adam Yeah, I tried a little exotic dancing, but the thong back got tangled up in my ass hair, and it was not pretty. Yeah, I will be going to the Olympic Gardens after the show tonight, by the way.

48:29 Drew Enjoy yourself. But listen, we had a really interesting discussion without you here about female cross-dressing, something you and I have talked about in the past, and they were saying that they have actually described themselves as that, as women in drag.

48:44 Guest Women in drag, that's the fastest words that I could come to my head because we're very tomboyish into sports, and my mom, who happens to be gay, is very feminine, and I just felt like it was, it was lucky I had her as a mother because I could be me and not role play. I didn't feel like I had to be feminine and all this to attract a man. I didn't even feel like I had the need to have a man in my life. I'm happily married because we have, I think, a healthy friendship marriage. But when I dress up and I do this stuff, sometimes I feel, okay, this is what the public wants, but I feel like we say we're dressing in drag because we don't wear heels, we don't wear makeup, we play sports.

49:24 Drew But it must do something for you, though.

49:26 Guest What does it do for you? It's like a Superman syndrome. It's kind of fun coming out and... Superman. It's an intoxicating... It's intoxicating. It's very intoxicating. It kind of replaces, like I said before, it kind of validates that feeling, you know, if you're on the cover of two Playboy covers, then I couldn't be so bad barfing in the bathrooms, you know, or sorry.

49:47 Adam Do you think males who, you know, wear the cowboy boots and, you know, sport the shirts with the sleeves cut off and drive around the raised jeeps are sort of...

49:57 Guest That's my sister's type, so...

49:58 Adam Sorry. Do you think they're male, male impersonators?

50:03 Guest That's a good point. You know, I used to even say that sometimes guys that are guy guys are almost late in homosexuals because they prefer the company of other men and they only use women to make themselves feel masculine. There's a lot of men...

50:19 Drew Adam, how dare you?

50:20 Guest There are a lot of men out there that define themselves through their own sexuality, so they have to stay in that role-playing. And it's funny because I watch some of these playmates and some of these sexy women, and it cracks me up that they are really that way all the time. And to me, it's like role-playing.

50:38 Drew So when Pam Anderson goes home, she's still cross-dressing?

50:41 Guest She's always sexy, yes.

50:42 Drew Always cross-dressing. She can't let that go. So then-

50:44 Guest We're not sexy.

50:45 Drew So it could be sort of, I think it was sort of a fetish. I mean, they have to be in control that way.

50:49 Guest It could be a fetish.

50:50 Guest Or defining themselves. They would be lost without feeling maybe sexy all the time.

50:56 Drew We were talking to Chris. Interesting. That's all there is to that.

50:58 Guest That's all that there is. Where I, with my husband, I'm lucky to have my husband. We can watch sports together, bet against each other, and just go to the batting range. Yes. You know, batting range is batting range. Oh, I'm raging, okay.

51:12 Adam Drew, it's true you do a nerd, nerd fetish, don't you?

51:18 Drew Yeah, I'm nerd, dressing as nerd.

51:20 Guest Right.

51:21 Drew Yeah. Chris, you were saying about these dysfunctional relationships you love to get into.

51:25 Guest Okay, yeah, I can't have any relationships, period, because if I have one with a normal girl, then she just doesn't want to put up with me.

51:34 Drew Because you're trying always to evoke a fight?

51:36 Guest Right, yeah, kind of subconsciously. I don't, you know, try to do this, but it just happens. And then I have this one girl who I keep going out with, and we break up. When we have a fight, we'll break up, and then we'll talk to each other for a couple of days, get on the phone, you know, start talking again, start fighting again, you know.

51:53 Drew You guys must come from the same kind of family, basically.

51:56 Guest Yeah.

51:56 Adam Well, how old is Chris?

51:58 Guest Chris is 16.

52:00 Adam Oh, 16?

52:01 Drew He's already into this.

52:03 Adam All bets are off at this age.

52:04 Guest You know, another thing that I find with people that like to argue is so hard for them to communicate just to say, thank you, I love you. Those feelings are so traumatic that in order to actually be nice to someone, they have to really be rude to them so that they come back on. But it's also familiar. It's your family. It's the highs and the lows.

52:25 Drew So it's a way of staying away from intense feelings and avoiding intimacy and also the comfort of the patterns of the family from which you have come, right?

52:34 Adam Yeah.

52:34 Drew Chris, that's all.

52:34 Adam Okay. So listen, you're 16. You're way ahead of the game because you're questioning it already. And just keep an eye on yourself and keep working on yourself. Because, I mean, this is something that if you're over it at 25, it's a victory.

52:49 Drew Alan's 35. Alan?

52:52 Caller Hi.

52:52 Drew What's going on?

52:54 Caller I'm just kind of scared and confused. I've got my wife and son. And when I was 13, I was molested by my mom's 18 year old male cousin. And I've really been battling with just being attracted to guys and just being obsessed by it. And I've gone through essay and counseling and everything. It just doesn't feel like they're able to get to the core of it.

53:20 Adam Do you ever act on it?

53:22 Caller I do. I go on the Internet. I go to gay porn sites and sometimes the chat rooms.

53:30 Adam But it's in sort of a fantasy way. I mean, do you ever contact these guys? Do you ever have contact with guys?

53:36 Caller I've been to bookstores.

53:38 Adam Yeah, but what I mean is, are you meeting guys or are you blowing guys? No.

53:42 Guest Do you feel that you're homosexual? Because I know how to answer that. I have known people in your predicament and unfortunately it does happen quite a bit. And what it is, is that you're not necessarily homosexual, because I don't feel that homosexuality is a choice. I feel that you were trained to be seduced by something taboo. And therefore you feel that you can only be sexually aroused by something that is kind of kinky, dirty, not allowed, illegal, immoral. And so you're turning to this not because you're attracted to men, because it's not acceptable. Yes. But because it was, first, that's probably was your very first stimulation, was another man doing it, so it's Pavlovian. You know what, the next step that you should do, because I have found, I've heard, because I've been to SAS well, very good program by the way, but I have found that, so that men don't go to the route of molesting again, because you want to gain back your power, you've lost it, out of that anger and that fear. You don't want to be dictated by it, therefore you try to get your power back by trying to do it towards another child subconsciously. It's not even, it's in your fantasies to get rid of that hatred and that anger and that vulnerability. The best thing that you could do is go to a therapist and act it out with them, a grown up, so that you get the anger out, take back your power, because you can't do it to another child.

55:17 Caller It just doesn't seem like they were able to help me with it.

55:21 Drew Maybe you haven't really dug in and really done the work. Honestly. Again, it's acting that out against a boundary and then seeing what kind of feelings are evoked. If you're able to act it out in a way where you just continue to repeat the patterns of the past, nothing changes, but when somebody sets a boundary and reflects back to you a little bit and does it properly, all of a sudden some pretty heavy feelings start coming up and that's therapy. Maybe it wasn't the right therapist, maybe you didn't dig in far enough, but that is something that you can be treated for and you really need to be treated for before someone else is hurt.

55:54 Caller I know, I don't want to hurt my son or my wife. Yeah, yeah.

55:57 Drew Well, you know, though, I think...

55:58 Caller They've been really supportive of me. I've acted out on it as far as going and doing things at the bookstore with other guys and stuff.

56:05 Drew All right, but just stay with the program and maybe you're gay. Maybe this is something you've got to reconcile too. Maybe that's... It's not about necessarily changing your sexual orientation. It is sorting through these feelings and history of trauma and the possibly post-traumatic stress reaction you have. And if there's also sexual compulsivity dealing with that. And at the end of all that, there still may be a sexual orientation that's not heterosexual. We don't know.

56:29 Adam Jesus, could you ever mention sex more and have it be less erotic? You know, you said sex about 18 times in the last 40 seconds and my penis went down a quarter inch each time, Drew. It's now in my ass.

56:45 Drew Vaporized.

56:45 Adam Yes, you could. But, you know, here's something I want to bring up too, which is, I think it's important for the Alans of the world not to constantly beat themselves up. I mean, he's got a wife, he's got a kid, he's trying to do right by them. He slipped up a little, but it's been sort of a fantasy. He's not hurt anybody. And he's going through life like damaged goods. Like it's this constant battle. And his life is almost, you know, he sounds tormented. And I think it's, you know, Alan should know that everybody has their own crosses to bear and that we're all, you know, have struggles. And he shouldn't just feel like damaged goods and like, you know, he's an insane person. He should feel better than he does.

57:28 Guest Wait, one thing though, if you use pornography as something like an addiction, then that becomes destructive. But going out to whatever he does to release himself or to experiment, that's fine. But if he's filling up something and it's not enough and he has to get more and more and more of it, then it becomes destructive.

57:50 Drew Julian is 25. Julian? Julian? Julian is asleep, maybe? There you are. What's up? Oh, he just woke up. Sorry to wake you up, Julian.

58:05 Adam Just hang up on this jackass.

58:06 Guest You're late.

58:07 Adam You're late.

58:07 Drew All right, then go now.

58:09 I have a question. I wonder what taking medication Selexa is.

58:12 What is it supposed to be doing to me or what?

58:15 Drew It raises the serotonin levels in your brain. So it's a mild medication. It has very few side effects. It's for depression. You should have less panic, less anxiety, less mood disturbances, better sleep.

58:26 Caller OK.

58:28 Adam I think it's got the sleep part down.

58:31 No, I drink. I drink along with this with this with this medication.

58:35 Drew Drink a lot of alcohol?

58:36 Yeah.

58:37 Drew Well, it's possible that someone's giving you the wrong diagnosis. Maybe you're actually an alcoholic and about 100 percent of alcoholics are depressed. But the treatment for the depression of alcoholism is treating the alcoholism, not the depression. Here is Daniels 15.

58:50 Guest Oh, hi. I have a question about like when it's acceptable to lose your virginity.

58:56 Drew Go ahead. What's the question?

58:58 Adam 15 years old?

59:00 Yeah.

59:01 Adam Do you want to lose it?

59:02 Guest Yeah. That's kind of what I was asking.

59:06 Adam Do you have a girlfriend?

59:08 Guest No, I don't. But like one of my friends at school, she's been like asking me if I want to have sex with her. It kind of shocked me at first, but she's been going at it for like a few weeks now.

59:19 Drew Been asking you?

59:20 Adam Just bothering you for sex?

59:22 Guest What?

59:24 Adam Just bothering you for sex?

59:25 Guest Yeah.

59:26 Drew And she's your girlfriend?

59:27 Guest No, she's a friend.

59:28 Drew A friend.

59:30 Adam How old is she?

59:31 Guest She's the same age as I am.

59:34 Adam Jesus Christ. Where were these chicks when I was in high school?

59:38 Drew If this is something that was sort of appropriate, and if you were really ready for it, you probably would have already done. Your senses, your instincts are telling you this is sort of a dangerous situation and something not good for you to get into, both by virtue of the fact that perhaps you're not ready, and secondly, there's something up with this young lady, right?

59:55 Guest Yeah, I think there is, but I don't know. Like, she goes to my church and her parents seem normal, but I don't know, there's something about her that's just different.

1:00:03 Drew Your parents seem what?

1:00:04 Guest Her parents.

1:00:05 Adam Her parents seem normal.

1:00:06 Drew Normal.

1:00:06 Guest Like, I don't think they molested her or anything, or there's any reason.

1:00:10 Drew It doesn't have to be that, but just, you know, just follow your instincts on this one.

1:00:14 Adam Yeah, and there's guys, as we know from doing the show, there are guys who are 15 who are like inmates in their 30s, and then there are guys who are 15 who are like, who's the kid, who are like Harry Potter. You know what I mean?

1:00:29 Drew Right.

1:00:30 Adam And he's a little on the younger side for 15. He hasn't blossomed yet, so don't rush yourself. And I agree, this chick should freak you out just a little bit, and you're probably right if your spidey sense is tingling.

1:00:42 Drew Chuck is 13. Chuck?

1:00:43 Yeah.

1:00:44 Drew What's up, Chuck?

1:00:45 Hey, I just got arrested a while ago, and my parents are, like, kind of just, like, tightening up, and, like, I want to reassure them that I'm not, like, going to turn into a felon like three other cousins I have.

1:01:01 Drew What were you arrested for?

1:01:03 Reckless endangerment.

1:01:05 Drew What does that mean?

1:01:06 Adam He ran over a kid in his big wheel.

1:01:09 I, um, I pushed, like, five-foot snowballs into Tudor into a street in Anchorage.

1:01:17 Drew Five-foot snowballs into what?

1:01:19 Into Tudor.

1:01:21 Adam That's the name of a street?

1:01:22 Yeah.

1:01:23 Adam Okay.

1:01:23 Well, sure.

1:01:24 Adam It's also a style of house, you know?

1:01:27 Drew The name of a family in English.

1:01:29 Adam These big, these big snowballs rolled out into the street and could have hurt somebody?

1:01:33 Yeah.

1:01:34 Adam Did you make the snowballs?

1:01:36 No. They were just pushed out by these graders that go down the street.

1:01:41 Drew Have you had other behavior problems?

1:01:44 Like in school, yeah.

1:01:45 Drew Yeah. Maybe that's how you ought to convince your parents you're not going to become a felon by maybe getting your-

1:01:52 Adam Well, listen, hold on. Anything involving snow should not be a crime, Drew.

1:01:55 Drew No, but I understand that.

1:01:56 Adam You can't help. A 13-year-old boy's got to throw snow at somebody.

1:02:00 Drew Even if it's five-foot-high snowball rolling down a hill at 30 miles an hour. Be that as it may, he's a behavior problem at school. Of course, people are going to be worried about it. If this kid were a perfectly well-behaved guy with straight A's, something like this happened, they'd let him go.

1:02:15 Adam Well, what's up with the rest of your family that's a bunch of felons?

1:02:19 My cousin, she's done everything wrong. She's just living on the street and not for friends and stuff. My mom's like, oh man, I just lost my breath there. My mom's like, you're going to end up like your cousin and live on the street, whatever. If you don't straighten out, I'm not going to be a felon.

1:02:44 Drew But Chuck, the idea here is not to convince your parents verbally, it's to earn their confidence by getting your act together and flying straight.

1:02:54 Adam Just get your grades up and play some sports and don't pull any shivs on anybody in the seventh grade and you'll be fine.

1:03:01 Drew It's not what you say, it's what you do. Annie's 22.

1:03:03 Adam But you got to know if you name your kid Chuck, he's got a much higher likelihood of becoming a felon.

1:03:10 Drew Well, but you could call him Chuck throughout his childhood.

1:03:13 Adam Yeah. Shouldn't he be called Charlie or something when he's young?

1:03:18 Drew Chuck.

1:03:19 Adam Chuck, yeah. Chuck, Chuck are two things. They're that one doll that stabs everybody and then there's that horribly unfunny, then there's Chuck Roden who's on 60 Minutes 2 and he's even scarier than Chuckie the doll, or at least less funny.

1:03:35 Drew Hey, honey.

1:03:36 Guest Hello.

1:03:37 Drew Annie's 22. What's up, Annie?

1:03:39 Guest I have a very low sex drive and it's really bothering me a lot. I have a boyfriend. We've been together for a very long time. We've been together for about four years and it's starting to, I wouldn't say affect our relationship. He's not mad. It's becoming an issue.

1:03:56 Drew Yeah. Was it always this way in this relationship?

1:03:59 Guest Yeah. I've never really had a high sex drive.

1:04:03 Drew And you're on no medication?

1:04:05 Guest I'm only on birth control.

1:04:06 Drew And have you been on birth control for years and years?

1:04:10 Guest For about three years, yeah.

1:04:13 Drew And before the birth control, the sex drive was still low?

1:04:15 Caller Yeah.

1:04:17 Drew Adam, you were going to say something?

1:04:18 Adam Well, I was going to say, you know, when she was saying she had a low sex drive and she was 22, I thought, well, maybe she's single and it'll all work out. But then she said she was with somebody. And I realized there was a problem. But, you know, women, women aren't with guys for the same reason guys are with women, you know? I mean, like if you had a guy with a really low sex drive, he'd probably be single.

1:04:39 Drew Right. That's right. That's true.

1:04:41 Adam You know what I'm saying? So in a way, it's almost like a guy could feel used because you're in this relationship just for everything but sex and I'm not getting what I want, which is the only reason I'm here is for the sex. I mean, I pretend like I'm not here for the sex so I can get sex, ironically, but do you know what I'm saying?

1:05:02 Drew Yeah.

1:05:03 Guest So I feel I just I feel bad and I, you know, it's like I said, I just feel really bad.

1:05:08 Drew How often are you having sex with him?

1:05:11 Guest Not very much, like a couple of times a month.

1:05:14 Drew So every other week? Yeah. Okay.

1:05:16 Guest But I feel like I feel like I'm I mean, I'm abnormal. That's what I feel like because I like I'm defective or something.

1:05:22 Drew Is it possible this relationship isn't quite what you think it is?

1:05:26 Guest I don't think so.

1:05:27 Guest Can I ask, is your self-image pretty good? How do you feel just about yourself?

1:05:34 Guest Pretty good. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm pretty good.

1:05:38 Adam How do you feel being naked?

1:05:41 Guest Okay.

1:05:42 Adam All right. As I noticed people who feel pretty good being naked seem to like sex a lot.

1:05:48 Guest I wouldn't say I feel good being naked, but.

1:05:51 Drew Maybe what? Are we out of something there?

1:05:54 Adam Do you have to turn the lights off when he has sex?

1:05:57 Guest No, not necessarily.

1:05:58 Adam All right. So it's not like you're uptight or you have a low self-image.

1:06:02 Guest I don't know. No, I don't think that's it. I don't know what it is.

1:06:06 Adam Have you been this way all the time?

1:06:08 Guest Yes.

1:06:09 Adam So it's just kind of your cadence is a little slow.

1:06:12 Drew Yeah. That's the way some people are.

1:06:14 Guest Yeah. But it's making me feel really bad.

1:06:15 Adam Can't you just put out? Why don't you just hold still and let him hump you once a week?

1:06:20 Guest But that's not how I want it to be.

1:06:23 Adam Yeah. I know. But it's not going to be how you want it to be.

1:06:26 Guest Well, the beautiful thing about being a woman is that you can fake it.

1:06:30 Guest That's true.

1:06:31 Adam Absolutely.

1:06:32 Guest I mean, multiple choices on fake orgasms. Yeah. Just go for it.

1:06:36 Guest I would rather not. I was wondering if there's, I don't know, is there like something I can do? I don't know if there's... Well, yeah.

1:06:42 Guest You could train......medication or something.

1:06:44 Guest I don't know about that. But you can train your mind to get off on pleasing your guy.

1:06:49 Guest Right.

1:06:50 Guest And then it just happens.

1:06:52 Adam How about, let me, let me draw an analogy here. And I'd like the Barbie twins to weigh in on this one. Drew, we always talk about this, that, you know, from, as a society, we never want to tell a woman, oh, just get busy.

1:07:06 Guest Yeah, yeah.

1:07:07 Adam You know, okay, so you don't like it, sister. Get in there and please your man a little bit. I mean, it sounds horrible. It sounds like we're, we're talking about rape here. But there's so many things in life that you don't want to do, whether it's studying or working out. And people say, look, just turn off the TV and get busy. And when you do it, you feel better when you're done. And the more you do it, the easier it gets. And there's some repetition to it. And why is this so much different? You know, I mean, every time you go to the gym, you don't feel like going to the gym, but you motivate, you get up, you go, you feel better when you get home. Why can't she treat it this way a little bit?

1:07:43 Guest I agree with you, Adam. Totally. I think that women and men are wired differently. But women, if they want to be with a man, have to understand that they think about sex 24 hours a day. And if they want to make that relationship work, they need to be a partner in that fantasy and help them out there. And you can, you know, you can actually increase your serotonin by going, I'm happy. So you can do that even with sex. You can actually visualize and start stimulating yourself any way it takes to get in there.

1:08:14 Adam And you know, maybe he just needs to, you know, bang some of the rust off.

1:08:18 Yeah.

1:08:20 Drew And it is actually know that that is part of a commitment, right? Commitment to helping the partner manage whatever.

1:08:28 Guest Women love to be stroked until they're beautiful. They're not.

1:08:31 Drew Well, guys need to do that too, though. Guys need to make a commitment to really pay attention to that also.

1:08:36 Guest Could there be something medically wrong with me?

1:08:38 Drew It doesn't sound like you menstruate normally.

1:08:40 Guest Yes.

1:08:41 Drew You have normal body hair distribution, normal height and stature. Yes. Normal weight.

1:08:45 Guest Yes.

1:08:45 Drew And you're on no medication other than the birth control pill and no medical problems. No. And it's been this way since you were 15.

1:08:52 Guest Yeah.

1:08:52 Guest You're just honest. There are so many women out there that fake orgasms.

1:08:57 Adam I want to talk to the Barbie twins for a second about faking the orgasms.

1:09:01 Guest A, B, C, or D.

1:09:02 Adam That's the thing I find interesting because you mix them up, right? I mean, you give different fakes for different positions.

1:09:12 Guest The haunted house, the choo-choo train, the squeaky door, the goat. No, quite honestly.

1:09:18 The chupacabra.

1:09:20 Guest Opera. As soon as you... If you really get into it, really, you could get off, literally, on seeing your man in his feet. Yeah, guys like to think that it's them, but it's really the woman doing it in her head in conjunction with the man. You really have to participate yourself. You cannot sit there with a nail file.

1:09:39 Adam All right. So give me a little sample of, let's say, the Choo Choo Train, the haunted house, Chupacabra. That was haunted house. That's haunted house. Okay, good.

1:09:55 Guest The Choo Choo Train.

1:10:04 Adam Next stop, the refrigerator. All right. So give me the goat. Do you have the goat?

1:10:16 Caller That is so lame, isn't it?

1:10:19 Adam Yeah, that's pretty lame.

1:10:20 Caller That is real.

1:10:20 Guest It's not sexy.

1:10:21 See why we don't have it.

1:10:23 Guest Where was the goat though?

1:10:24 Guest I'll stick with the Choo Choo Train.

1:10:25 Guest Let's put it this way. It's so unsexy, they believe it's real. Okay.

1:10:29 Adam Right.

1:10:30 Caller Oh, look.

1:10:31 Adam We want to believe so...

1:10:32 Guest Come on, when it sounds really sexy, I'm going fake, fake.

1:10:37 Adam Yeah, we really want to believe, and when you really want to believe... We're like those Mexican chicks who see Jesus in a tortilla. We want to believe so badly. He's just there.

1:10:49 Drew We're here with the Barbi Twins. They're signing calendars tomorrow night at the Tower on Sunset, 7 to 9 p.m. The book is Dying to Be Healthy. I want to hear a little more about what kind of medical problems you guys got into with all that, but we'll hear about that after the break.

1:11:03 Guest Love Line, Love Line, 1-800-LOVE-191. I'll be back in a minute.

1:11:33 Drew Loveline, the Barbi friends, our guest, Adam.

1:11:36 Adam He's in Las Vegas.

1:11:37 Drew He's in Las Vegas. And Adam, remember Omar the other night who called, who had the dad from Sacradicus?

1:11:43 Adam Yeah.

1:11:43 Drew Well, I got an e-mail from Graham who tells me that there is, in fact, a city in Mexico called Zacatecas, Zacatecas, which when the mad stutterer pronounced it, it sounded like Sacradicus.

1:11:56 Adam But is there a Ubangas Uranus?

1:11:58 Drew No, that was your hometown for his mother.

1:12:03 Adam That's right. That's right.

1:12:05 Drew Yeah. Poor Omar. I feel bad for that guy. I think that was a real call. I really do.

1:12:08 Adam Drew just apologized to Omar and will move on.

1:12:10 Drew I'm sorry, Omar, for my partner's behavior.

1:12:14 Adam C and Shane are both here, better known as the Barbi twins. Dying to Be Healthy is the name of their book, and they're going to be at the Tower Sunset tomorrow at 7. Signing calendars and pledging allegiance to the flag.

1:12:28 Guest That's right, for Veterans Day, Tower Records.

1:12:31 Adam Your dad was a fighter pilot?

1:12:33 Guest Yes.

1:12:34 Adam When did he fly?

1:12:36 Guest I don't even know.

1:12:37 Adam That's what I love about chicks.

1:12:40 Guest Everything you heard about them is correct.

1:12:42 Drew He asked that question because he's never met a woman who knew what the dad did in the military.

1:12:46 Guest He's lucky to know he's in the military.

1:12:52 Adam He was a pilot during Vietnam?

1:12:55 Guest No, actually during the last part of the Korean War.

1:12:59 Adam Wow. That's great.

1:13:01 Drew What were those planes?

1:13:03 Adam F-86s.

1:13:05 Guest With the navigator? I don't know.

1:13:07 Adam Well, there's a whole bunch of them, but the little fighter one was probably an F-86.

1:13:13 Guest He's going to be pretty. I'm impressed.

1:13:15 Drew On the back cover of your book, it says, near-death experiences with eating disorder. Were you hospitalized? Were you too fed?

1:13:21 Drew My sister was.

1:13:22 Guest Actually, both of us. Here goes our calendar sales. I developed a fistula in the mouth from an infection.

1:13:31 Drew From vomiting?

1:13:32 Guest Well, a lot of people thought was that, actually not. When your body becomes very acidic through ketosis, losing weight, and a lot of athletes are this way, your bones are really bad because your alkalis are robbed to neutralize the acids. My jawbone kind of gave away, and I had an infection at the same time in my tooth, and it met up.

1:13:52 Drew It went to the bone?

1:13:53 Guest Yes, it went to the bone. It was a very serious operation because I had a heart murmur from dieting, and I decided to heal myself naturally and fast. They said, you can't. It's like the more you wait, the worse it is. So I have panic attacks in hospitals. I'm very, very scared of doctors.

1:14:13 Drew Did they think you had a heart valve infection also?

1:14:17 Guest No, they just said I had a...

1:14:17 Drew It was a bone infection?

1:14:19 Guest Yes.

1:14:19 Drew And just to clarify, you'll lose bone with bulimia because your estrogen levels go to zero.

1:14:24 Guest That's true, too.

1:14:25 Drew Your immune system doesn't function, so a tooth infection that would otherwise be sort of contained can erode down into the bone.

1:14:31 Guest Absolutely.

1:14:32 Drew And then bone infections are really bad. It's very, very scary.

1:14:36 Guest I, too, get cortisone shots in my legs, too, as well, from ten hours of exercise. With her, she was in the hospital because she developed pernicious anemia, the fatal kind, where her body just shut down. It would not do anything. She was like a dead person. Her blood pressure was so low, it just didn't even exist. And that's what happens. Ableemia, people think here in America, is just a mental disease, where in Europe, they're finding out that it literally hits a body like AIDS. And it's a horrible disease. And here we see it later on, a symptom complex, as like chronic fatigue and into other diseases, and they never first diagnose it with ableemia. Yeah.

1:15:22 Adam What did Karen Carpenter die of exactly?

1:15:24 Guest Yeah, that was anorexia. But I did my research there. She really died of taking the laxatives. And I know a lot of people define ableemia as laxatives. When you're that thin and you take 50, whatever it was, dokelax or whatever, you are robbing the body of every electrolyte and you're going to have a cardiac arrest and your heart's going to be weak from dieting. And we felt in this land where everybody is doing crystal meth and even human growth hormone and all this, we thought, hey, we're just super healthy. We're only exercising 10 hours a day. We're superwoman and we're excessively dieting in a healthy way and cleaning out our bodies. So we never saw it as a bad thing.

1:16:08 Drew Right.

1:16:09 Guest We thought we were just super healthy. Later we found out that laxatives have a fetorin in them.

1:16:13 Drew Some of them do.

1:16:14 Guest Which is like a speed. Yeah, we only took laxatives towards the end.

1:16:16 Drew This business of treating people who are exercise, you know, excessive exercisers, that is one of the more difficult eating disorders to treat because precisely what you're saying, the denial is supported by our culture, which is that, hey, you're just extra healthy. You're just doing, you're just exercising more. What could be wrong with that? My trainer says it's good. My nutritionist says it's good and it's all bad.

1:16:37 Guest Yeah, it really is. You know when it's bad, when it's destructive. Well, when it's taking over, you're supposed to get healthy to not think about the body and think about my thinking. My dates had to do my exercise with me. I would not stop my exercise. They'd have to come and run with me.

1:16:52 Drew Balance, balance, balance. Fred is 23. Fred?

1:16:55 Caller Oh, Dr. Drew, thank you very much for taking this call. I'm filled with anxiety. And the situation is I've been calling AIDS hotlines all over the country. It's been like an AIDS hotline telethon from my house and I'm getting conflicting information so I knew I should come to you. The situation is I met a girl and it was kind of like a one night thing but there was no penetration involved but only genital to genital to contact and I want to see an AIDS patient. I'm just suspicious right now just because her I don't know what she is but is she an IV drug user? She just has a wild lifestyle. I can't really go into specifics. I don't know too much about her.

1:17:37 Drew What's wild about it?

1:17:40 Caller Well first of all I just met her and she was willing to do whatever on that night and just by just by some of her behavior.

1:17:52 Drew If every woman that behaved like that had HIV we'd have half the population gone here. I mean that's ridiculous.

1:18:00 Caller Assuming if she was though, was there a possibility?

1:18:04 Drew From non-penetration?

1:18:05 Caller Non-penetration. It was brief, but the thing is she was menstruating the same day. I mean not at the moment that there was contact. She was in gushing forth blood like right then.

1:18:18 Drew Gushing?

1:18:19 Caller Yeah.

1:18:19 Drew Quite an image of pain. What was the contact? I'm quite clear on that yet.

1:18:24 Caller The contact was just like, that's all it was was contact, like maybe brushing against each other.

1:18:31 Drew How about your urethra? Did your urethra, did the opening to your penis touch anything moist in her?

1:18:37 Caller I mean, I can't recall. If so, it was very brief.

1:18:40 Drew All right. Well, just Fred. You know, Fred, this would be, we'd send you to the CDC if you got HIV from this. Really?

1:18:47 Caller Yeah, I call it.

1:18:48 Adam You mean for them to study?

1:18:49 Drew Yeah, we'd have to study you to figure out why you contracted a difficult disease to contract after no contact, basically.

1:18:55 Adam Fred, why are you so paranoid?

1:18:56 Caller Well, actually, it's funny that you mentioned the CDCs because I was doing pretty cool, and then I called the CDC, and I talked to a couple of people there, and they said, yeah, actually, there is a possibility because you can change fluids.

1:19:08 Drew Oh, Fred, please. Adam, ask him your question again.

1:19:12 Adam Look, he's paranoid. Get Fred off the line. Fred, stop. You're a 26-year-old man. You're supposed to feel invincible. You're supposed to be having anal sex with Haitian junkies at 26.

1:19:24 Drew Wear condoms, know your partners, be careful, and just stop freaking out.

1:19:27 Adam I don't trust guys who worry too much about themselves. And let me take this moment to say this about AIDS. See, this is what we've done. We've thoroughly freaked everybody out with all the left-wing homos saying, anyone can get AIDS. It's everyone's disease. Everyone has a chance. It doesn't discriminate against sexual proclivity or skin color or ethnicity. We beat the crap out of everybody, and now everyone's paranoid. The people that have AIDS are junkies and who else drew the gays? These are the guys with the AIDS.

1:19:59 Drew In this country.

1:20:00 Adam It's the needle in the butt love.

1:20:02 Drew In this country.

1:20:02 Adam That's the AIDS. In this country, yes. Yes. Can heterosexual people get it? Yes. Is it rare? Yes. He doesn't have it from doing this. Lisa. I think we do everyone a disservice by freaking everyone out with this.

1:20:15 Drew Lisa.

1:20:16 Guest Yeah.

1:20:16 Drew What's up?

1:20:17 Guest I just got my tongue pierced and it's like it's pussing.

1:20:23 Adam AIDS.

1:20:24 Caller AIDS.

1:20:29 Guest No.

1:20:29 Adam Forget what I said. You got AIDS. It's pussing.

1:20:36 Drew Yes.

1:20:37 Guest It's really, really swollen. I mean, it's not like really, really. It's like a red.

1:20:42 Drew Did you did you go to a piercing place? Did you talk to them about what to expect?

1:20:47 Guest Yeah.

1:20:48 Drew And is they're using those mouthwashes they gave you?

1:20:50 Guest Yeah.

1:20:51 Drew You using ice on it?

1:20:52 Guest Yeah.

1:20:53 Drew If you're concerned about it, call them back. They have a lot of experience with this stuff. I worry about these things. They can swell up like crazy, get infected, occlude your airways, be a huge mess. If there's any concern, I'll go to an emergency room, but give the people that did this thing a chance to instruct you before you do anything like that. Okay?

1:21:09 Guest Yeah, that's like one more question.

1:21:11 Adam Yeah.

1:21:11 Guest When's like, do you know anything about these time range and stuff?

1:21:15 Drew Yeah.

1:21:16 Guest When's the earliest I can have, I can get oral sex?

1:21:20 Adam Tonight. About a half hour ago.

1:21:24 Drew Yeah, if you survive the night. Talk to them at the piercing place. These epithelialize pretty quickly, but I would think it would be a couple of weeks. I'd still expect that.

1:21:32 Adam The Barbie twins aren't into all the weird piercings, are you guys?

1:21:35 Guest No, I think it can look sexy on certain people, but no, I even took them out of my ears.

1:21:44 Adam Really?

1:21:44 Caller I'd stay away from metal.

1:21:46 Adam You know, the thing that's really funny about life is that's not your vice. Do you know what I mean?

1:21:52 Guest Yeah.

1:21:52 Adam I mean, we talk to people all day long who are pushing stuff through their skin and painting on themselves and putting beads in their penis, and that's their thing.

1:22:01 Guest We don't even wear jewelry though. We're kind of weird in that way.

1:22:04 Adam You got something else going or you had something else going and that was your thing. But it doesn't really, it doesn't bleed over into other things.

1:22:12 Drew You don't get everything.

1:22:12 Adam I like that.

1:22:13 Drew Yeah. You get bulimia or you get piercings. Don, 20.

1:22:17 Caller Hi.

1:22:18 Drew Hey.

1:22:18 Caller How you doing?

1:22:19 Drew Good.

1:22:20 Caller All right. I just want to say I listen to you guys' shows a lot. First of all, I love you, Adam. You're great. Dr. Drew, I think you do great stuff for us.

1:22:29 Drew Thanks, Don.

1:22:30 Caller Helping everybody. It's just totally awesome.

1:22:31 Drew What can we do for you?

1:22:33 Guest All right.

1:22:34 Caller Well, I've known this girl for about five years and we've been good friends. We talk a lot. For the most part, she's lived about three hours away, so it was more of a long-distance relationship thing. I mean, when we get together, there's stuff that would happen when we make out and kiss and different kind of stuff. Just recently, within the last few weeks, she's moved closer and we've gotten more intimate, and we've just remained friends and stuff, and we've had sex and stuff like that, but I'm really wanting to get a relationship because now that she's closer, I'm not worried about the long-distance thing at all.

1:23:13 Drew Have you told her this?

1:23:15 Caller I have. I've talked to her about it. And what did she say? She's not against doing all the extracurricular activities, but she is not really interested in a relationship. But the thing is, I am, and I'm not sure if I want to do all this stuff without the relationship.

1:23:32 Adam You're not going to let her fool you into getting a BJ without wearing your ring.

1:23:37 Drew It sounds like he's healthier than she is. He wants a real relationship, she doesn't want one. That's a deal breaker, basically.

1:23:45 Adam What do you guys think? Do you think his only shot is to kind of pull back a little bit and see if she comes to him?

1:23:53 Drew I don't think she's coming to him.

1:23:55 Adam You don't think so?

1:23:55 Drew No, not the way he wants it.

1:23:57 Adam If he wanted her to, wouldn't that be his only angle?

1:24:02 Guest To pull back?

1:24:03 Drew Yeah, to pull away.

1:24:04 Guest Yeah, definitely, because it looks not very masculine when you start smothering. It looks, because it's unusual. I mean, we're used to men being neanderthal and pulling our hair. Girls don't like guys that are attached themselves. They want to give birth to that. They don't want to have sex with that.

1:24:26 Drew Oh, interesting.

1:24:28 Adam Same place, though, ultimately.

1:24:30 Guest Yeah, it's true. One's going out and one's coming in, though.

1:24:33 Adam But, you know, and then going out again. And then I'm done. That's it. Once in, out, I'm done. And I count the initial going in as once. But, but in, in general, wouldn't all of you agree that your only shot when you're in this kind of situation and we talk to these people all night, every night, is you tell the person what you want and then you just pull back.

1:24:58 Drew Right.

1:24:58 Adam And that's your only shot. And if they come, they come after you, fine. But if not, you were never going to get it.

1:25:04 Drew And I think Don is just healthier than this, his friend. And he's got to recognize that, that he needs more from a relationship than she has to offer. And that's reality. If he wants to straggle along the way he's been going and it's not too painful to him, fine. Otherwise, he's got to get away.

1:25:19 Guest Sometimes women fake like they just want the casual sex.

1:25:22 Drew All the time.

1:25:23 Guest They don't want to scare the guy away.

1:25:25 Drew All the time.

1:25:25 Guest So he might be pleasantly surprised. She may want it to.

1:25:29 Drew Adam, we got to go to break again.

1:25:30 Adam All righty, so we got the Barbi twins here. I'm in Vegas and we'll be right back after this.

1:26:06 Drew Loveline, I'm Dr. Drew, here with The Bar Between, Adam Corolla.

1:26:10 Caller In Las Vegas today.

1:26:13 Adam Let's see if we can burn up a few more calls before we call it a night.

1:26:16 Drew Hey, we go through a lot of calls when you're not sitting here, by the way.

1:26:19 Adam Thanks, jackass.

1:26:21 Drew Also, I think you and I get along a little better when you're not sitting here, too. Maybe we ought to, I don't know, it kind of works, doesn't it?

1:26:26 Guest Oh, we miss him.

1:26:28 Adam Yeah, you do.

1:26:28 Guest We wanted to see you in person.

1:26:30 Adam I miss you guys, too, but I'm going to be with you as soon as I get back to LA and I go through my closet.

1:26:37 Drew Jerry's 27, Jerry?

1:26:39 Oh, yes, Dr. Drew, this is probably more of a question for you. I'm taking a drug test tomorrow and I smoked marijuana about less than a week ago, Saturday night, exactly, and I just found out yesterday that I have to take a drug test tomorrow for this job. I want to know what are my chances of passing if there's any home remedies I can take.

1:27:05 Drew And that was your first exposure in a long time?

1:27:10 It was the first.

1:27:12 Drew Or was that the last time when you stopped smoking pot every day?

1:27:17 No, I've done it maybe about a handful of times in the last two or three months.

1:27:22 Adam What job are you going for?

1:27:25 Going for an AV tech position. A-D?

1:27:30 Adam AV.

1:27:31 Audiovisual.

1:27:32 Drew And does that mean when you say, how many times the last two weeks have you smoked pot?

1:27:36 The last two weeks? Twice.

1:27:38 Drew Twice.

1:27:39 Caller And both are a week apart.

1:27:41 Drew You'll probably be fine. Don't skip your breakfast. You've got to eat. If you start losing weight, if you start mobilizing fat, you can mobilize pot. Stay well hydrated, but don't take any of these adulterating.

1:27:54 Caller Yeah, I've heard that they can show up as...

1:27:57 Drew We are looking for that. If you have any evidence that you've been trying to adulterate your urine, that is a positive test.

1:28:03 Adam What if he drinks it like the Barbie twins?

1:28:06 Drew Drinks the urine?

1:28:07 Guest We never did.

1:28:08 Drew No.

1:28:08 Adam You guys said earlier you drank your own urine. I heard you plan to stay.

1:28:13 Drew This is Chris, 2020. Chris?

1:28:16 Yeah. All right. My girlfriend, she won't master it, and I don't think she's ever had an orgasm. So I want to know what can I do?

1:28:27 Adam How old is she?

1:28:28 Seventeen.

1:28:31 Adam It's hard to get someone... Wait till 30.

1:28:33 Drew Yeah. I was going to say, give her some time. Let her grow into it.

1:28:37 Adam This is the problem, quite frankly, too, when you're 20 and you're dating a 17-year-old. You know, at 20, you should be dating a 23-year-old. I mean, if you want to have some fun sexually. Because you end up being this sort of this fengali sexually. You know what I mean? You have to teach them everything and hope they catch on and hope they've been doing their masturbatorial studies and not cheating or writing the answers on their wrists or anything. If she's not into it at this age, she just may be a few years off. I don't know if you're going to be able to talk her into it.

1:29:12 Caller Well, I don't know if I want to talk her into it. I just, you know, isn't there like some technique or something that might help?

1:29:20 Adam Ladies?

1:29:21 Guest No. I always say it's not the guy, it's the woman. The woman sexually stimulates herself in the brain. She gets excited being with you. So it's not you. Don't take it personal. It's about her. She's just not, she's too young. At that age, girls want to be told they're pretty. They're not into their senses yet. Some are.

1:29:42 Adam Alright. What's his only angle? Just sort of kiss a lot of ass and make her feel good? I like what you said.

1:29:48 Guest Well, yeah. I mean, if you want a sweet little cuddly relationship, fine. But I go with what you say. 23 year old for him.

1:29:56 Drew This is Tim, 30.

1:29:58 Hello?

1:29:59 Drew Tim?

1:30:00 Caller Is this Dr. Drew?

1:30:01 Drew Yeah. What's going on?

1:30:03 Caller Oh, hey, maybe someone was playing prank on me, but they want me to call your show.

1:30:09 Drew About what?

1:30:10 Adam Did Drew call asking about something? What happened?

1:30:14 Caller You know, I'm the guy who walks around, has a broadcast system, understands the rounds all the time.

1:30:22 Drew And what?

1:30:23 Adam Tim the crazy person?

1:30:26 Caller Uh, I guess.

1:30:28 Adam Oh, OK, Drew, let's make this easy. What does it say on the screen?

1:30:32 Drew Does Adam want to talk to this guy? Says he's John Rocker.

1:30:36 Guest Yeah.

1:30:37 Adam All right.

1:30:38 Drew Who's John Rocker?

1:30:39 Adam John Rocker is the controversial pitcher who was with the Atlanta Braves, who made all those racial slurs about New York. Drew, please.

1:30:47 Guest Oh, handsome.

1:30:48 Adam How is it you know nothing about anything?

1:30:50 Guest I only know because he's handsome.

1:30:52 Drew John, thirty-two.

1:30:52 Adam Really? And him?

1:30:53 Guest Oh, yeah, he's so handsome. I'm not. I think he's, you know, not very bright with what he says, but at least he says what he feels.

1:31:01 Drew Right. All right.

1:31:02 Adam Bigots can be attractive, too, I think the point is.

1:31:05 Drew John. Yes. What's going on?

1:31:08 There's this girl that I've been in love with for a past almost a couple years now, and she's a really good friend of mine, but she doesn't feel the same. So how do I get over her?

1:31:18 Drew Not be around her so much.

1:31:20 Adam Yeah. You just got to back off and whack off.

1:31:25 Drew Here's what you're asking. How do I get her? Which is not what's going to happen. So when we say, hey, stay away from her, get over it, you're like, oh, you're disappointed. That's supposed to help me. No, you've got to deal in reality. The reality is this is not going to be a relationship, and why continue to punish yourself? Once you've had a few months to mourn the loss of this fantasy, then you can have a friendship again. But in the meantime, no way.

1:31:51 Guest Don't even ask about this anymore.

1:31:54 Adam There's one chance in a hundred you're going to get her, and that's if you back off. One in a hundred, and that's backing off. So that's your only recourse.

1:32:03 Drew Zero in a hundred by any other route.

1:32:05 Adam Would you shut up, Drew? It's one in a hundred if he does what we tell him to do. Is that so bad?

1:32:09 Drew And it's zero if he does anything else.

1:32:11 Adam Oh, okay. Sorry. Drew's right. Sorry, baby. Okay. Let's take a break.

1:32:17 Drew What do you say? You're off to the Valentine Garden, wherever you go.

1:32:22 Adam No, no. I'm going to come back and say bye.

1:32:23 Drew Olympic Gardens. That's right.

1:32:25 Adam Okay.

1:32:25 Drew All right. Good.

1:32:25 Adam Who's John Rocker? Do you see what I have to deal with?

1:32:28 Drew Relax.

1:32:29 Guest Okay. So I know there's nothing wrong with me. So what's up?

1:32:32 Guest So I was like you and I used to think that these datelines were totally cheesy.

1:32:35 Guest Why can't I meet anybody?

1:32:36 Guest But I tried everything else and thought, what the hell? So I called the dateline and actually met a cool guy.

1:32:40 Guest I called the dateline and I hooked up with some cool people.

1:32:42 Guest Believe it or not, other normal people are out there looking too.

1:32:44 Guest 877-889-DATE.

1:32:48 Guest 1-800-LOVE-191.

1:33:21 Drew Hey, Adam.

1:33:23 Adam Hey, Drew. I'll wrap up the show.

1:33:25 Drew Okay. You go ahead and do that.

1:33:27 Adam It's the least I can do.

1:33:28 Drew I want to thank Sia. The Barbi Twins are just making fun of me for being a nerd.

1:33:32 Guest No, just the opposite.

1:33:34 Drew Go ahead, Adam.

1:33:34 Adam Sorry. All right. Sia and Shane, the Barbi Twins for coming in here tonight, or coming over there tonight. Dying to Be Healthy is the name of the book, and they're going to be signing a calendar at Tower Sunset tomorrow at seven o'clock. Right. It's all for a good cause, so get down there and see the girls in the flesh. I want to thank you guys for coming in, and I promise I will be there next time you come in. Absolutely. I want to thank Ann for doing a great job lining up the guests and producing the show all week long, Engineer Anderson for working his magic fingers, Tara, don't call me Tara, for doing a mediocre job on the phones all week, and of course Damian and Lauren. I'm not sure what they do, but I see them around there myself. So until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:34:25 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed in this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Anne Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is the presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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