Episode 1000754886948

0:55 Drew It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. This is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. All right there, Drew.

1:08 Adam You all right? I'm all right.

1:10 Drew How about you? I'm tired.

1:12 Adam I'm better because we actually had our talk on the way home last night.

1:15 Drew Yes, Drew and I speak on a cell phone 20 minutes every night before we get into the Hills and it gets out of range. We don't get enough of each other. Sorry, ass is on the air.

1:24 Adam In fact, last time we had a very heated discussion about what makes a man a man.

1:29 Drew Oh, we did get into that. Yeah, that was a good one. Izabella Miko and Jonathan Schaech are both here from The Forsaken, which... What was the name of that Clint Eastwood movie that sounded like that? It was Drive and Menace. Maybe it was just The Unforgiven. You're right, Anderson. The Forsaken, which is coming out this Friday. Wide release, yes?

1:50 Guest Yes.

1:51 Drew And tell us about it. It's a vampire movie.

1:54 Guest Yeah.

1:55 Drew What's different about this one?

1:57 Guest It's a real vampire movie.

1:58 Adam Oh, it's about real vampires.

2:00 Drew I see. Oh, so it's a documentary.

2:02 Guest Yeah. You bet.

2:03 Drew But there's been a handful of vampire movies that have been released in the last few years. Why should we go see this?

2:11 Guest It's a little different than the typical vampire. You know, they don't have fangs. They get an incredible back story. A 900-year-old vampire that was...

2:20 Guest No garlic.

2:21 Guest No garlic. Doesn't hang in closets.

2:25 Drew And does anything work on them or can we give that away?

2:29 Guest No.

2:30 Adam No.

2:30 Guest I don't think we can give that away.

2:33 Guest They're just really mean.

2:34 Adam And reading about the film a little bit, it's sort of historically, tries to be historically accurate.

2:39 Guest You almost believe the whole story.

2:40 Guest In historical context, right? A lot of mythology behind it.

2:42 Adam But then it goes off into myth.

2:45 Guest Yeah.

2:46 Guest It's very scary. It's very shocking.

2:49 Adam Shocking?

2:50 Guest Yeah. I mean, we don't spare anything.

2:52 Guest It's just mean.

2:53 Drew But I like that.

2:55 Guest They're like Metallica vampires.

2:57 Guest Yeah.

2:58 Drew Yeah.

2:59 Adam They're old and metal.

3:02 Guest They adapt into today's society. They cover their own tracks. So they burglarize and murder and do considerable mayhem like America does.

3:12 Drew I love a scary movie. I really do. I don't know what it is. I don't know what is it. What is about humans that want to be scared, that want to pay eight bucks to sit down somewhere and have the crap scared out of them. Maybe it's just to go back to their life and feel better about their life. I mean, you know, they didn't get a limb chewed off. They weren't raped. They were not. They didn't have their trachea punctured or anything. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's like a weird relative thing. You know, what is that?

3:40 Guest Hey, my life doesn't suck.

3:43 Drew Is that what it is?

3:43 Guest It's great.

3:44 Adam I mean, humans are pretty violent. You're right down to it. And when it's all unsubmerged, they may have a need to kind of look at it. And they do the same thing with sex, right? People watch that, too. They may not do all those things, but they kind of watch this stuff.

3:58 Drew Right. Yeah, I wonder, you know what? I wonder if people studied the culture many, many, many years from now, they'd say, well, they repressed a lot of their impulses of sex and anger and violence, but then they all gathered in these places in dark rooms and watched one with a thick German accent perpetrate it on others.

4:19 Guest That's how the vampire was born. Yeah. He gets to be that, in which we can't be. He gets to be incredibly free sexually.

4:28 Adam Humans are drawn to violence. They go to the guillotines, they watch the gallows, they go to the battlefields and watch things. They have huge spectacles.

4:35 Guest Everybody wants to see blood.

4:37 Adam Humans have always done that.

4:39 Drew You know what I do like about the vampire movies is these guys not only kill but they get laid.

4:45 Guest Yeah, a lot.

4:46 Drew Unlike the mummy in Frankenstein. They're like me in high school. But vampires are smart. They're like, hey, if I'm going to break into this chick's room in the middle of the night, I'm going to get some ass before I kill her. It's not a bad strategy. I mean, if you're going to kill, you might as well toss rape in there too. I mean, it's not like... Who are you trying to impress?

5:09 Guest The whole package.

5:10 Drew Yeah, yeah. How long has the vampire story been around? It's been hundreds of years?

5:16 Guest Yeah.

5:17 Drew How long? How far back does it go? You know, Drew?

5:20 Adam I don't know. Does anybody know the first vampire story? Is that what you're asking? It's got to be 200 years.

5:25 Drew Oh, easily.

5:26 Guest All those vampires with like thick accents from Russia.

5:29 Guest How old is the brown stoker?

5:32 Drew Oh, that probably 17, 18. I don't know. Okay. That was a good question. Andrew?

5:39 Adam On the web, Anderson. Check it out.

5:41 Guest That's Dracula, though.

5:42 Drew Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking of Dracula. What's up?

5:44 Guest Same thing.

5:45 Adam Andrew?

5:47 Guest Yeah. Yeah.

5:47 Adam What's going on?

5:49 Guest I'm just, I don't know. I'm having issues with my sexuality and religious convictions.

5:56 Adam Okay. Well, clearly, there's clarity about what your orientation is. What is it the church is having a problem with?

6:04 Guest Basically any church that I've attended, it's definitely just a no-go.

6:11 Adam Really? There are plenty of churches that embrace people being homosexual.

6:15 Drew Oh, and maybe this is a bogus call. Where are you calling from?

6:19 Guest Nope. This is for real.

6:20 Drew You're calling from Michigan? Yeah. Out here we have almost exclusively gay churches.

6:25 Adam Yeah. I mean, it's such a...

6:26 Drew They don't let you in if you don't blow a guy.

6:27 Adam It's such a... It's true.

6:29 Drew Right on the door.

6:30 Adam So to our point of view, it's such an outlandish statement. We almost think it's a bogus call.

6:34 Guest Yeah. Oh, no. I live like in Cornfield County.

6:37 Adam One of my... Yeah. Hold on.

6:38 Drew You say Cornfield or Cornhold?

6:40 Guest Well, wherever.

6:42 Adam Wherever he is, it's the one and he lives in the car show. Yeah.

6:45 Drew You got to come out to LA.

6:47 Guest It's all gay.

6:48 Adam You might check Episcopal Churches out. Have you been Episcopalian at all?

6:51 Guest No.

6:52 Adam No.

6:53 Guest I was raised Baptist and I within the past couple of years have attended a Pentecostal Church.

7:02 Drew You got to get into one of those religions that doesn't really count. They'll take anybody. You know what I mean? Santeria. I think... Drew, what about the Jews? They don't mind the gays, do they? No, I think they do.

7:14 Adam No, no.

7:15 Drew They do?

7:15 Adam Not in any kind of systematic way.

7:17 Drew You never hear them complaining about the gays.

7:19 Adam It's the parents.

7:22 Drew Parents kill themselves.

7:23 Guest I'm not worried as far as what other people think. It's more like the biblical because you never hear any stories of any good, positive, homosexual, you know, anything.

7:37 Adam I have a friend and somebody I took care of who is a patient who is a lesbian minister for a church. I mean, one of the most delightful people I know and doesn't seem to have any problem with her community. And is a spectacular minister.

7:53 Drew And golfer. This is a, but LA is a little more progressive than Lansing, Michigan, I guess.

8:02 Yeah.

8:03 Drew How about moving out of there? I mean, it sounds stupid like why should you have to leave your home, but why not go to a place that's more accepting?

8:11 Guest Oh, I'm really attached to my family.

8:13 Drew So how are they doing?

8:15 Adam Are they okay with this?

8:16 Guest Oh, absolutely.

8:17 Adam Well, that's, that's, that's 90% of the problem. And you've got their support. You're more than halfway home. Right. You should be able to find a community of spiritual.

8:26 Drew Try the Internet. They lead you somewhere.

8:30 Guest I've been in chat rooms and they're just scary.

8:32 Drew I mean, they got like religious stuff on the Internet now, don't they?

8:36 Guest Um, none that I've found, but...

8:39 Drew All right. Well, listen, what do you care? You're going to hell anyway, right?

8:43 Guest I hope not. I hope not.

8:45 Drew All right. So you're, you're still, you're very religious.

8:48 Guest Yeah.

8:49 Guest Yeah.

8:49 Drew But you're gay and you've, you've, you've made your peace with that.

8:53 Guest Yeah.

8:54 Adam Where are we going? I don't know.

8:55 Drew I just, I would just think it'd be one or the other. Why do both?

8:59 Adam What? Oh, no.

9:00 Guest No, you can do both. I mean.

9:01 Drew You can?

9:02 Guest I mean, you just have to sort of, you know.

9:03 Drew Gay is a religion to me. That trumps everything. It's a nationality. It's a religion. It, it, it just, it takes priority in all, all facets of life. I don't know. If I was gay and, and so much of, of religion is anti-gay, I would probably abandon religion.

9:20 Guest Yeah.

9:20 Adam Well, that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to find a spiritual center with somebody.

9:25 Guest He still wants to be spiritual and have that love.

9:27 Guest He needs to find it with his self first.

9:29 Adam All right.

9:30 Drew I'd say, I'd say keep looking. It's got to be something out there. Bob?

9:34 Guest Yes.

9:35 Drew You're 38?

9:36 Adam Yeah. Hang on a second, Bob. I just realized, I now I know why you and Jimmy are not involved in your gay relationship that you've longed for.

9:42 Drew Why not?

9:43 Adam He's not into cars.

9:44 Drew Oh, really? No.

9:45 Adam That's the deal breaker for you.

9:46 Drew No, that's not it. And what's that? No. No, I, you guys, as I've said on the air many times, I wish I was gay. I'd be, it's more, I'd be a better lifestyle for me. It really would.

9:58 Adam Yeah. Oh, well, you'd be a better person.

10:00 Drew Drew, you and I.

10:01 Adam Oh, well, what a couple that would be.

10:03 Drew Yeah.

10:03 Adam Oh, man.

10:04 Drew Combine our incomes.

10:05 Adam You'd be able to fix things around the house.

10:07 Drew Drew, I have hepatitis again. Come fix me.

10:15 Adam No, I could just bandy up if you saw your fingers off. Bob.

10:20 Guest You're 38.

10:21 Drew What's up?

10:23 Guest Just wanted to say I think you guys are god. Your show is awesome.

10:26 Drew Well, thanks.

10:27 Guest I really enjoy it.

10:27 Drew Thanks.

10:29 Guest I got a fetish, I guess I would call it, with nylons. I love them. Any woman wearing them, love to rub on them, love to rub my privates on them. Is that strange or have you heard of it?

10:43 Adam Definitely heard of it. It's not the usual behavior.

10:47 Guest The smelly ones or just?

10:50 Adam Something that somebody has worn, is that important?

10:52 Guest Or has on.

10:53 Guest Has on. Okay.

10:54 Adam But are you able to carry on normal relationships otherwise? Yes. Do you need the nylons in order to function sexually? You understand what I'm asking?

11:01 Guest No, but it's an extreme turn on.

11:03 Adam Extra turn on.

11:03 Drew I never even seen nylons anymore.

11:06 Guest Yeah.

11:07 Drew They're still around?

11:08 Adam Pantyhose?

11:08 Drew Yeah, I don't see that many. I don't see a lot of pantyhose.

11:11 Guest No.

11:12 Drew It's not as popular as it used to be. Maybe it's with older women or something.

11:17 Guest I don't even have them.

11:18 Drew Yeah, but you don't have to. You're young and beautiful. A few years you'll have to. Thank you.

11:24 Guest Something to look forward to.

11:25 Drew I'm not talking about 24 months. I'm talking about 24 years. You've got to put them in your little varicose veins and stuff.

11:31 Guest I don't be wearing pants.

11:33 Guest Bob? Yes.

11:35 Drew Do you have a woman?

11:36 Guest Yes. 18 years.

11:38 Drew I see. Does she wear the pantyhose?

11:41 Guest Not as often as I'd like, but she does once in a while.

11:44 Adam All right. You're fine. Don't worry. That's just a little preference you have.

11:47 Drew What do you do? Do you need to take them off so you can do stuff with them?

11:52 Guest No.

11:52 Adam I like them on her. A true fetish would be that you have to have them involved in the sexual encounter in order to function.

12:03 Drew Don't you have to pull them down at some point or something?

12:06 Guest What I like to do is actually give her a body massage with them on. I actually have oral sex with her with them on.

12:14 Drew You're going through the pantyhose.

12:16 Guest We either get them wet enough where I can penetrate through them or else we...

12:20 Adam He does tear...

12:21 Guest .hold it start and then we finish with ourselves.

12:23 Adam He tears it up.

12:24 Drew And then she puts... Did she fix them or just use them? Just get the next pair out. Just get them and use them next time, right? All right. Yeah, good times.

12:35 Guest Okay, one other short question. What is the average penis length in America?

12:41 Adam 5.4.

12:42 Guest 5.4.

12:43 Drew Is that what it is?

12:44 Adam Is that what we decided then?

12:45 Drew Yeah, it could have been 5.3.

12:47 Adam Yeah.

12:48 Drew I don't like to argue too much for lower, though, because it makes me sound, you know, like I'm compensating. But it's under 6. It's quite a bit under 6. We were surprised. 6 was always the given answer, but it turns out it's under 5.5.

13:02 Guest It makes me feel good.

13:04 Adam All right.

13:04 Guest It makes me feel good, too.

13:05 Adam All mentioned, enjoy.

13:06 Drew All right, there, Bob.

13:07 Guest Okay, thanks a lot.

13:08 Drew Good times. Boy, his wife's gotta be pissed. This wife's gonna say, oh, Christ, not another pair of legs, honey. Come on, let me just...

13:17 Adam Do they have those anymore?

13:18 Drew I don't know. They have the pantyhose that comes in the egg anymore.

13:21 Adam Legs?

13:22 Drew They have legs?

13:25 Adam The young woman in the middle audience is like, oh, what the hell?

13:27 Guest They are in the little egg.

13:29 Guest No, no, no. Oh, that's weird.

13:32 Drew Yeah, pantyhose and an egg. Yeah, that's what we had to do. That's what this... Close your eyes. Picture the 70s. That was it.

13:38 Adam That was the biggest technological breakthrough there was. And with a serious piece of considered genius of that age.

13:44 Drew Yeah. We got some pantyhose, put it in an egg. We'll call it legs. Great. Jason?

13:51 Yeah.

13:51 Drew You're 29? What's up?

13:53 Caller Well, recently I was diagnosed with being a sex addict. And I was just wondering what the treatment for that was.

14:02 Adam How was it you came upon that diagnosis?

14:04 Caller Well, I was dealing with some emotions about I had cheated on my wife a couple of times. And it wasn't really like cheating like I screwed someone. I, you know, basically just kissed a girl when I was drunk. But, you know, it happened. You know, there's like a cycle that happens that, you know, you know, like every six months or whatever. You know, I'll go out with some friends or whatever and then something happens. And, you know, I was just kind of wondering, you know, what exactly is the treatment or?

14:28 Adam That does not qualify as sexual addiction.

14:31 Drew Sexual addiction, something happens, meaning you go out and kiss somebody?

14:34 Caller Well, it's not so much of that. It's just, you know, I gotta have sex like, you know, two to three times a day.

14:40 Adam Ah, and does your wife keep?

14:42 Caller And then the other part is like being impulsive, I guess, is what, you know, he said is a part of it.

14:46 Adam Yes, it is.

14:47 Caller And, you know, I was just wondering, you know, what exactly is the treatment for that?

14:50 Adam Well, are you, is anyone in your family an addict?

14:53 Caller Hmm, no.

14:55 Adam Are you an addict?

14:57 Caller You mean as far as like drugs and stuff? Yeah. No, I mean, we have a history of alcoholism that's like, you know, grandparents and stuff.

15:03 Adam Well, that's what I'm asking. Alcoholism, addiction, it's all the same.

15:05 Caller Okay.

15:06 Adam So you have the biology in your family history.

15:09 Caller Right.

15:09 Adam Were you sexually abused or exposed to sexual material at a young age? Very young.

15:14 Caller Well, there was, I mean, had a weird relationship with my sister when I was, like, 13. What happened? We had sex.

15:22 Adam Yeah. Well, that would be more than just weird. That would be a very serious issue.

15:27 Drew Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy.

15:29 Guest Oh, yeah. And I have sex with my brother.

15:31 Adam And that kind of thing, those are the things that set you up for sexual addiction. So I agree, sexual addiction is probably a part of this here. And you may be an addict, at least sexual compulsivity and possibly sexual addiction.

15:42 Drew And how old was your sister at the time?

15:44 Caller Uh, she was two years younger than me.

15:47 Adam No.

15:48 Drew Yeah. What? And so that was your plan, right?

15:52 Caller No, it was kind of mutual. Actually, we were playing house more or less.

15:56 Guest How's she doing?

15:57 Caller She's kind of messed up.

15:59 Adam Yeah.

15:59 Guest Yeah.

16:00 Drew But what about that's the then, you know, got a taboo to theme, by the way. Yeah, you've dealt with this issue, but I'm not going to start singing Anderson if that's what you want.

16:23 Adam They're scaring us. They're scaring them.

16:24 Drew All right. And I'm sorry. Doesn't everyone know a good porn theme or two? Come on. Did you sing this at camp? Maybe you did, but you don't. All right. Turn it down, Anderson, please. We have a very serious problem here. Alright. Now that's enough.

16:51 Guest This is serious.

16:53 Adam All right.

16:53 Drew Come on, Anderson. Come on.

16:56 Adam Turn that down.

16:57 Drew I have a serious problem here.

16:59 Adam Jason.

17:00 Caller Yeah.

17:00 Adam Okay. There are many different ways to approach this. Are you in individual therapy now?

17:04 Caller No. It was a counselor that I've seen way back when.

17:07 Adam Okay.

17:07 Caller You know, this was kind of going on.

17:09 Adam So some of this, okay, individual therapy may have an important role here. And you need to deal with someone who has some experience with these kinds of traumas. If it's true addiction, a 12-step model becomes an important part of the treatment. There are sexual addiction 12-step programs, SA. I would suggest you get the SA Big Book, which has a white cover. And it's extremely, a lot of good information in there about what is going on with you underneath. It helps sort of compulse and create all this impulsivity.

17:40 Drew Is that pictures?

17:41 Adam No pictures.

17:43 Drew I don't understand.

17:44 Adam Yeah, I know. I didn't recommend it to you, you know. But Jason, it is an important thing, Jason. You should attend to it.

17:53 Drew Yeah. And what's your sister doing? She's 27? What's she up to?

17:57 Caller Yeah, she's 27 now. She's married. She's got a couple kids. She's just, you know, compulsive wire. Borderline. Just had a lot of problems, I mean.

18:06 Adam Is she an addict?

18:07 Caller Is she an addict? Not that I'm aware of.

18:09 Adam She's an alcoholic, I mean.

18:10 Caller No, she does drink quite a bit.

18:12 Adam All right. When I say addict, I mean alcoholic.

18:14 Drew How many encounters did you have with her?

18:16 Caller This went on for probably about four or five years.

18:20 Drew Oh, all right. Julie Sanderson, no. That is, that's bad times. Well, yeah, it was. That's a big, big, big deal.

18:28 Caller Right.

18:29 Drew That's a big thing and that's something that you got to look into and- It's going to work on.

18:34 Adam It's going to take a lot of time.

18:34 Drew You should look into it too.

18:36 Caller Well, like I said, I've already dealt with it.

18:39 Adam No, no. Your behavior is-

18:40 Drew How did you deal with it? I don't understand.

18:42 Caller Well, I got counseling and I understand everything that was wrong with it and I've come to terms with it.

18:47 Adam Well, understanding intellectually what's wrong with it doesn't do much to change the emotional circumstances and the biological results. So get some real treatment.

18:56 Drew Man, I mean, listen, we've all gotten drunk and got it on with our sister, you know, on a Thanksgiving evening or, you know, something like that. But to a four or five year relationship, I mean, that is eerie. That is bizarre. I mean, this guy won and think about those years too. I mean, from him, he went 13 to like 17, 18. Well, listen, he said four or five years. That probably means five or six. I mean, he could have won from, you know, seventh grade through, you know, first year out of high school or something with this. And she went all the way through her, you know, fifth grade, sixth grade through like her senior year. I mean, that, that is bizarre.

19:46 Guest Oh, thank God they don't have like kids or something.

19:48 Drew That would be big. Well, the point is, is she's got a couple of kids. Not with him, obviously, but that's mama now.

19:55 Adam More importantly, guess who dad is?

19:57 Drew Who her dad is and his dad is?

20:00 Oh, who she's married to.

20:02 Adam Right.

20:03 Drew I'd like to take a shotgun to the guy without even meeting him. I really would. Imagine that guy.

20:07 Guest Yeah.

20:07 Adam He's abusing the kids, guaranteed.

20:09 Drew You think so?

20:10 Adam Guaranteed.

20:11 Guest It's like a pattern, right?

20:12 Drew Where was that, Jason? You want to ask about? I bet he's not in the picture. Jason?

20:17 Caller Yeah.

20:18 Drew What about your brother-in-law?

20:21 Caller Okay. What about him?

20:21 Drew What kind of guy is he?

20:23 Caller What kind of guy is he? A Marine. I mean, I really don't know him that well, to be honest with you. It seems like an all right guy.

20:32 Drew Really?

20:32 Caller Yeah.

20:33 Drew Does he know about this?

20:35 Caller Yeah. As far as I'm aware.

20:36 Adam He knows about it? He knows about this?

20:39 Caller Knows about it. The whole family knows about it.

20:41 Okay.

20:42 Caller It was brought to light about three years ago.

20:44 Adam What did they do with that?

20:45 Hold on.

20:46 Drew I'm so glad I wasn't there, by the way.

20:48 Caller I'm sure you are because I sure wouldn't want to be in it again.

20:52 Adam What did they do with that information?

20:54 Caller Well, they didn't really do a whole lot. I mean, it was just that my counselor knew at the time when it was going on.

21:02 Adam When it was going on and the counselor allowed it to continue?

21:05 Caller There was nothing he could do.

21:06 Adam He could call Child Protective Services.

21:08 Caller Well, I suppose, but he didn't do anything.

21:11 Adam That is bad news. You need to get back in with a therapist who really, I don't know, I have concerns about the therapist.

21:18 Drew I do sort of appreciate the counselor's laissez-faire approach to therapy, you know.

21:22 Adam Are you enjoying it?

21:23 Drew I feel like I never told me what to do or do anything.

21:26 Caller I was pretty much like a loner at that time in my life. I mean, I really didn't have any friends at all.

21:31 Drew Alright, so how did it all come out with the family?

21:35 Caller They all accepted it, actually. No, no, no.

21:37 Adam What actually went down? What triggered it?

21:39 Caller What went down? Well, she lived out of state for like for about three, four years. And when she came back, you know, that's when she came out and said, you know, that I had done this to her and she said that I also had done it to some other sisters, but that wasn't true. It was just me and her. And so it was brought to me, you know, did this happen? And I said, well, yeah, just with her, but I don't know who else would say that this has happened because it hadn't. Well, she had manipulated my sister into thinking that it had. And, you know, about three years after it came, no, two years after it came out, my sister finally realized that she was coerced into thinking that it had happened because, you know, she was being told over and over again, you know, been dealing with nightmares and whatnot, that, you know, I've been doing something I hadn't been. And it was just her way of dealing with the whole thing, I guess. I don't know.

22:29 Drew All right. Jason, I'll tell you, for a guy who's been through or at least perpetrated what you have perpetrated or been through what you have been through, he sounds sort of squared away almost.

22:41 Adam Almost.

22:42 Drew Earily?

22:43 Adam Yeah, scary.

22:43 Drew Squared away? All right. More therapy. Everyone, to the therapist's office. That's what I want. I want a giant bat pole put into the country that goes right down to the center of the earth. And I'll just yell, just like, instead of a... Yeah, to the bat cave, I'll yell, to the therapist. And we'll dive on the pole and go our way down. And then we'll do one of those spin things. And we'll be on the sofa.

23:09 Guest With the bat coming down.

23:10 Adam Yeah.

23:12 Drew And I'll go like, my mother ignored me.

23:15 Guest Pow!

23:22 Drew Isabella Miko is here. So it's Jonathan Shaech. The movie is The Forsaken that is coming out this Friday. We'll take ourselves a little break. I'm going to mop my brow because I think it's getting hot in here. And we'll be back after this.

23:42 It's the Loveline.

23:44 Drew I'm Adam Corolla. It's Dr. Drew over there. Isabella Miko and Jonathan Shaech are both here tonight from The Forsaken. That is a horror movie which is coming out this Friday.

23:56 Adam Horror, thriller, fantasy, myth, vampire, action.

24:01 Drew Yeah. What's your scariest movie? What rattled your bones growing up? Let's start with Isabella.

24:10 Guest I don't know really. I never liked vampire movies or scary movies, but I actually watched What Lies Beneath a year ago and that really scared me.

24:20 Drew That was a good thriller.

24:21 Guest It was really good.

24:22 Drew That was probably even more thriller than horror.

24:27 Guest A good story and everything.

24:29 Drew Ever see The Shining?

24:30 Guest Oh yeah. I saw that one.

24:32 Drew Yeah. First Halloween got me pretty good.

24:36 Guest Friday the 13th.

24:38 Drew Exorcist. Yeah.

24:40 Guest Silence of the Lambs got me.

24:41 Drew Yeah. That's a good one. The Evil Dead. Good low budget.

24:49 Guest There you go. Bruce Campbell.

24:50 Drew And It.

24:51 Guest Have you seen It?

24:53 Guest Yeah.

24:53 Guest It was like, what's it called? The Clown. Eating little kids. That scared me.

25:00 Drew Yeah.

25:01 Adam It sounds like a Bobcat film.

25:04 Drew Yeah. Drew, see anything scary? You're Exorcist man, right? You're old school.

25:11 Adam I don't like scary movies either. I don't want to, you know.

25:14 Drew You don't want to change system, but you don't like it, huh? I don't like the ones that are pure thriller. Like I wasn't that freaked out by like Rosemary's Baby. I didn't, I wasn't too much, too much thrill and not enough kill, I guess. Like it too much, too much set up. Yeah. Psychological thrillers. I'm not really into that. I like to see a lot of blood. Monica?

25:37 Yes.

25:37 Drew You're 23?

25:38 Caller Yeah.

25:39 Drew What's up?

25:40 Caller I have three girls, but my oldest one does some sort of masturbation thing like daily. I just woke my littlest one up. But she does this masturbation thing daily, and she doesn't touch herself, but she squeezes her little butt together, and she buries her face in a pillow and makes noises. When she comes up, she's bright red and all sweaty on the face, and just concerned a little. How old is she?

26:08 Drew She's four?

26:09 Caller She's going to be four on Monday.

26:10 Adam What kind of environment is she living in?

26:13 Caller She's living in a good environment, I imagine.

26:18 Adam Not too chaotic or stimulating.

26:21 Drew Do you think, does it have to be a sexual thing she's doing?

26:24 Adam No, no, it doesn't, no, it doesn't.

26:25 Drew Yeah, I mean, Monica, why do you read it that way?

26:28 Caller Well, because it looks like, I asked her what she's doing, she says, my Noo-Noo, that's what we call her private spot. And she says, I'm doing my tickle thing, so what else do I think?

26:39 Drew My grandma refers to hers as the old old. It's a little twist on the Noo-Noo.

26:45 Adam Well, I don't think you should worry about it. I can certainly imagine.

26:48 Caller I tell her to go do it by herself, because she lays in the middle of the floor, but now she goes in her room or under the table, but she still makes a loud noise, it's a little concerned.

26:58 Drew Is it like a climax or during it?

27:02 Caller Why she's doing it, she'll go, like she's pushing real hard or something, I don't know.

27:10 Adam Well, certainly do not shame her about the behavior.

27:13 Caller That's what I don't do.

27:14 Adam Keep your eyes open, make sure there's not something that she's being exposed to. Is she in daycare or anything like that?

27:19 Caller No, no.

27:20 Adam You're around her all the time.

27:21 Caller We're at home and me and my husband are with her all the time.

27:25 Adam How's your husband?

27:27 Caller Huh?

27:27 Drew Your husband?

27:28 Caller Yeah.

27:29 Drew How's he doing?

27:30 Caller He's doing okay, I suppose.

27:32 Adam What does he do for a living?

27:33 Caller Right now he's sitting on unemployment.

27:36 Adam How come?

27:37 Caller Because his line of work is shut down.

27:41 Adam Okay, what does he do for a living?

27:43 Caller He's a cable tech.

27:45 Drew Cable tech? And he works for like a cable company?

27:47 Yeah, he's like subcontractor for team T and stuff.

27:52 Drew People, what, is it satellite, the dish that's screwing him up?

27:56 Adam What's the reactive field? Why is it shut down for him?

27:59 Caller I'm not sure why it's shut down, because they have big projects going on up here between the city and...

28:04 Adam Yeah, why isn't he working? What kind of problems?

28:09 Drew Does he drink? That's him.

28:13 Caller He's got a slight drinking problem.

28:16 Drew Yeah. Here's the deal. I have found in my vast experience... Where's my bourbon? The guys who don't work are guys who they don't want working, pretty much. It's not that things have slowed down. They slowed the guy down, because he's drunk or not doing a good job. Yeah.

28:32 Adam That's why we were questioning it.

28:34 Drew Yeah, three kids?

28:35 Caller Yeah, I do. I have three little girls.

28:37 Drew It seems like a lot for guys not working.

28:40 Caller Yeah.

28:41 Drew You guys, you want to slow that down a little bit?

28:44 Caller What was that?

28:45 Drew Maybe no more kids for, I don't know, give it six weeks?

28:47 Caller He's fixed. He's fixed. Thank you.

28:50 Drew Oh, yeah.

28:50 Adam It's good. He needs, obviously needs some recovery in his life. Yeah. I am modestly concerned about what...

28:55 Caller I'm adjusting towards that.

28:56 Drew Good.

28:57 Adam I'm modestly concerned what he might be doing when he's loaded.

29:01 Caller Well, that's a different issue tonight.

29:05 Drew Is he there now?

29:06 Caller Yeah.

29:06 Drew All right. So you don't want to get into that?

29:08 Caller Be cussing.

29:11 Drew Is he drunk now?

29:12 Caller No. I didn't like it tonight. So I said, don't go get any beer.

29:18 Adam Has she been, your daughter, exposed to any aggression?

29:22 Caller Aggression? Like anger?

29:24 Adam Yeah.

29:24 Caller Oh, I've got a good anger problem, but not towards my kids. No, I've...

29:29 Adam Yeah, but that's when I asked you about her environment. If she's in a very stimulating, uncomfortable, arousing, traumatizing environment, none of it has to be directed at her. Kids will sometimes start to stimulate in this way. And addicted family systems are great set-ups for sort of inappropriate sexual behaviors in young kids.

29:51 Drew Remember my plan about overtaking a large island and getting Bill Cosby and Felicia Rashad to raise all the children of this country?

30:01 Adam Yeah.

30:02 Drew You laughed, but I think you're on board now, aren't you?

30:05 Adam Oh, I didn't mean to laugh. Did I ever laugh at that?

30:08 Drew I think you mocked. I think you mocked a little bit. You thought it was unrealistic. Not looking like such a bad plan anymore, is it?

30:15 Adam It's so routine now.

30:16 Drew Take these three kids, get them out of the unemployed, alcoholic dudes one bedroom apartment and right over to that island with Bill Cosby. Big fat sweater, reading them Mother Goose every night. Think care of them.

30:30 Adam But isn't it interesting how that whole thing unfolded? Yes, perfect family, everything is great, two parents at home, little things happening.

30:37 Drew Yeah, that thing segwayed into I can't talk right now.

30:41 Guest I was scared for her, like the guy was going to... Wow.

30:45 Adam And these things, ladies and gentlemen, do not happen for no reason. Whatever it is. Take an honest look at things.

30:56 Drew The three little girls. She's got to get him and he's got to get him into some recovery.

31:02 Adam Absolutely.

31:03 Guest So what is that little girl doing?

31:05 Adam She's masturbating.

31:08 Guest She doesn't know what she's doing, obviously.

31:09 Adam No, she's just self-stimulating, she's just arousing.

31:13 Guest I didn't know kids could do that.

31:15 Adam Some can, some can't. I'm not a child specialist by any means, but I'll tell you in families where there's addicts doing their thing and I get involved in the treatment, oftentimes what you'll see is kids like exposing themselves and doing inappropriate sexual behaviors, not overt, not sexualized behaviors. They won't sexually abuse other kids or try to have sex, but they'll self-stimulate and they'll expose themselves and do aggressive kinds of sexual things.

31:40 Drew Why?

31:42 Adam No one knows. I guess maybe somebody has some theories, but to me it's part of when the arousal systems are prematurely activated, it necessarily spills into a sexual element.

31:51 Drew Alright, let's talk to April who's eighteen.

31:55 Caller Hello.

31:55 Drew April?

31:56 Caller Yep.

31:58 Caller Let's see, this is my situation. I've been with five different people and never anytime in any of those relationships have I ever really been sexually aroused.

32:12 Adam Did you have sex with these guys?

32:14 Caller Yeah, the first time is like, you know, it's fun, it's great, it's good, but after that it's just boring and I'm in a relationship right now. I've been with him for a little over a year and it's just me. I'm like, what, you know, okay, if we're gonna do it, let's do it. Let's be quick about it, be done and he's like, you know, let's go get together.

32:38 Caller Sure.

32:40 Drew I like that.

32:41 Caller Well, I need to know how to fix it. I'm not into it. He's always wanted to do it.

32:47 Adam Yeah. I suspect. You know what my instinct on this would be? Let's pretend you're not in a relationship right now, which what you should be, frankly, is you should be dating guys and just figuring out what is you want, who you want. You don't know what you want right now. You're just sort of unnecessarily prematurely involved in these intense close relationships. You're just not into. You don't love these guys. And you need to really, you got to go out there, figure out who you are, figure out what kind of person you want to be involved with.

33:16 Drew Five guys though.

33:17 Caller She said five.

33:18 Adam Not into them. Are they all guys?

33:22 Caller Yes, they're all guys. I've been with the jerks. I've been with everybody and this guy is like, you know, I love him to death and I care about him a lot. I think maybe some of my past relationships, you know, and some of the things that have happened to me before maybe do this.

33:39 Adam Like what?

33:42 Caller I've had boyfriends that would, you know, say, if you want, you know, before I had a car, they'd be like, you know, if you want to get home, then you're going to do this for me or, you know. And my best friend's father, you know, tried to mess with me one time that I spent the night at her house and that kind of got a little crazy. Why?

34:03 Drew Because you had told on him or?

34:05 Caller No, I didn't tell on him and nobody knows except for the guy I'm with right now.

34:09 Drew Why'd he get crazy? Did you do something with him?

34:12 Caller No, I was just lying in the bed.

34:14 Adam Did he have sex with you?

34:16 Caller No, he didn't have sex with me. He tried. He got real close and he just kept pushing himself on me and pushing himself on me.

34:22 Drew Where was your friend?

34:23 Caller My best friend was right next to me sleeping on the floor.

34:28 Guest How old were you?

34:30 Caller I was like 13 or 14.

34:35 Drew This guy sounds like a dynamite individual that I'd like to get to know better.

34:40 Guest Punch him.

34:42 Drew Hey April, it just seems like your dad's not around?

34:48 Caller No, my dad's a great guy. He lives in South Carolina. I visit him every other weekend.

34:54 Drew Do you get along with him?

34:55 Caller I get along great with my dad. There's nothing screwed up there where...

34:59 Drew All right, your mom, how about your mom?

35:02 Caller My mom's real great. We have a real good mother daughter relationship.

35:06 Drew Perfect.

35:08 Adam Perfect relationship, Bryan.

35:09 Caller Perfect, yeah.

35:10 Drew But nothing, so perfect relationship with mom and with dad.

35:13 Guest They're divorced.

35:14 Adam Yeah, when did dad leave?

35:18 Caller I was like maybe four.

35:19 Drew Did he cheat on mom?

35:21 Caller No, I think it was the other way around.

35:23 Guest Oh.

35:26 Drew I got some cheating energy here. Hey, April, is a girl at 18, you haven't hit your stride yet, physically or intimately, you know what I mean? It's kind of weird. Some girls bloom a little bit later than others. It doesn't sound like you're into this guy that much. Okay. And it sounds like you got some energy for guys.

35:51 Adam You know, there's a book out there called But I Love Him.

35:53 Drew Of course.

35:54 Adam Yeah. And it's about...

35:56 Drew Pictures?

35:57 Adam Yeah. And it's about teenage women and the way they conduct themselves in these relationships and this nonsense.

36:02 Caller I ever had sex, before I even ever had sex, I could get turned on just like a switch, you know? And it would just, you know, easy. And then that very first time I had sex, it was just like, blah. And it's been, nobody's really, you know, I've never really hit the big O and, you know, I tell you, I think I do it in my dreams and stuff. You know, I feel like, you know, I'll wake up and just be all right.

36:30 Drew Okay.

36:30 All right.

36:31 Drew So, you're very much in love with this guy?

36:34 Caller Very much.

36:34 Drew No.

36:35 Really?

36:36 Drew Really? Yeah. All right. Then why don't you, I don't know, just walk at it intimately. With no one, though.

36:41 Caller With no one. I mean, even anybody, I could be with anybody else. And it might be like one time and then it's boring.

36:48 Drew Does he go down on you?

36:50 Caller Yes, he does. I mean, he's good, but it's just.

36:55 Drew Does he use my carpet bombing technique?

36:58 Caller Oh, God. No, he's really good. And, you know, he's not like small or anything. I mean, he's just really good. I just there's nothing. No one. No.

37:09 Drew All right. Why don't you?

37:09 Guest Therapy, I say.

37:10 Drew Yeah, therapy. And why don't you get a vibrator and see if you can't loosen yourself up a little bit? Huh?

37:16 Adam I get the distinct vibe.

37:18 Drew I get angry guys like freaked out about not not operating in reality with her.

37:23 Adam And that not really a seeing things as they really are. Anger, angry guy is part of that. But choosing guys that she's not into, can't trust them, can't get in with them, can't open up to them, angry.

37:34 Drew But I love them. I love them to death. I love them to death. I love them to death. I don't think you're having a real intimate relationship with this person.

37:42 Adam No.

37:42 Drew And that's all right. It just may be a few years off or a little therapy off.

37:46 Adam Your body is telling you something.

37:48 Drew You know, why don't you just...

37:49 Guest But she wasn't into them.

37:50 Caller I've been with five other guys.

37:52 Drew I understand you've been with other guys, but you're not, well, you're 16, 17, 15. I mean, you're just not in that place yet. You got to open yourself up. I'm thinking some therapy and just some time off.

38:07 Adam Yes, that's what I open with. We're not in a relationship. Time off.

38:10 Drew All right. I get to see, you know, on this show we only get to talk to people for a couple of minutes and it's kind of hard to figure out from the information exactly what's going on all the time and plus they spin things their own directions. But we both kind of get vibes from people. The system cadence and their tone and the vibe that they have. And I got that not comfortable in their own skin, not relaxed, just a little anger in a sense, but making up for anything. My dad's the greatest guy. My mom's great. Mom's great. Cheated on dad. Probably drove dad away maybe, but everything's great. Loved him to death.

38:45 Adam I see him all the time. Twice a month in North Carolina. Right. You'll see him all the time.

38:49 Drew All right. Let's take ourselves a little break. We're talking about the Forsaken tonight out this Friday. Everybody in a theater near you. And when we come back, we'll speak to Anna. She's 18. Walked in on her boyfriend. And brother having sex. This will be good. Yeah, this is Love Line, I'm Adam Perola.

39:13 That is Dr. Drew over there.

39:16 Drew Izabella Miko and Jonathan Shaech are both here tonight from the Forsaken. Coming out this Friday in a theater near you. Go there and be scared. You should be so scared. Well, you shouldn't be so scared that you don't go, but you should evacuate your bowels before you go into the theater.

39:35 Adam Oh, nice.

39:36 Drew There will be a nurse stationed at the end of every aisle in case people pass out or evacuate.

39:41 Guest The film is like The Lost Boys.

39:44 Adam Yeah.

39:45 Guest Remember The Lost Boys?

39:46 Drew Yeah, I remember that one. A lot of cool guys who weren't working anymore.

39:52 Guest Well, Kiefer is now going to play.

39:54 Drew Oh, Kiefer is in that. That's right.

39:56 Adam Where's Jason Patrick? Where's he been?

39:58 Guest He's doing up a film up in Toronto.

40:02 Drew He went down with the Titanic. You didn't see that? He didn't make it.

40:05 Guest He didn't make it on the Titanic.

40:08 Drew He went down in a boat. It wasn't Titanic. It was Speed Tube. It was Speed Tube. It was the boat he crashed. This guy sunk two ships. I wouldn't want to go out bass fishing with the guy. I'm just saying, you know, it would be very ironic if he went at sea. It was an American disaster took him down. Anna?

40:28 Caller Yeah?

40:28 Drew You're 18?

40:29 Caller Yeah.

40:30 Drew You walked in on your boyfriend with your brother?

40:33 Guest Is he still your boyfriend?

40:35 Caller I haven't talked to him since I haven't been home yet.

40:37 Adam When did this happen?

40:39 Caller Last weekend.

40:40 Adam And you ran away from home right then?

40:42 Caller No, I've been to a friend's house.

40:45 Adam Do you live with your boyfriend?

40:47 Yeah, he lives with me.

40:48 Adam Did you know?

40:50 Drew Hold on, he lives with you.

40:52 Guest Did you kick him out or you moved out?

40:56 I didn't kick him out.

40:56 Caller He's there as far as I know.

40:58 Adam Is it your mutual house?

41:01 Caller No, not really.

41:02 Guest It's yours, right?

41:03 Caller Huh?

41:04 Guest It's yours.

41:05 Caller Yeah.

41:06 Guest Well, you should be there.

41:08 Drew Wait a minute. I'm still... Yeah. You guys have an apartment together?

41:12 Caller Yeah, kind of. He pays the phone bill and stuff like that, but I pay the rent.

41:17 Drew So you guys were moved out in an apartment?

41:20 Caller No, I've been living on my own for a little while.

41:23 Adam For how long?

41:24 For just like two years.

41:26 Adam Since you were 16?

41:27 Caller Yeah.

41:27 Drew In your own apartment.

41:28 Adam Why?

41:30 Caller Um, a bad home situation and things like that.

41:33 Adam What's the situation?

41:34 Caller Um, my mom's a drug user and I don't like being around her at all.

41:41 Okay.

41:42 Drew And you're your brother's piece of work too, right?

41:45 Adam Did you know your brother was gay?

41:47 Caller Oh, he's gay.

41:48 He has a girlfriend.

41:50 Drew He sure blows a lot of guys for a guy who's not gay.

41:53 Adam Did you know your boyfriend had that tendency?

41:56 Caller I had no idea.

41:57 Drew Well, he's not gay either. He's got a girlfriend. Right.

41:59 Guest Santa.

42:00 Drew No one's gay.

42:01 Caller No one's gay.

42:03 Drew What were they doing when you walked in?

42:05 Caller Um, my boyfriend was on top of my brother. My brother was laying on his stomach on the bed and their clothes were off.

42:12 Drew They could have been wrestling. What happened? I mean, it was a hot day. You're wrestling. Your clothes come off. You mail the guy.

42:18 Guest You butt up in the air.

42:20 Drew Hey, it's better than a half Nelson. Let me tell you. I've got a guy to say, Uncle, now hurry. Oh, baby. All right. So everything's a mess, right? Right.

42:29 Adam The guy, your boyfriend needs to go.

42:31 Drew He's out.

42:32 Adam Yeah. Not because, not just because he's cheating, not because he's gay, because he would be do something as egregious as act out on a sibling.

42:41 Guest That that's the way that is mean.

42:43 Adam Yeah, that's the no go. That's that's the you got to get out of here thing. All right. And the boy, your brother, I don't know. You know, hopefully you'll heal that in some way someday. But he's obviously a piece of work.

42:53 Drew How old is your brother?

42:54 Caller Seventeen. And he's like a little bit over.

42:58 Are you birthday's fault?

42:59 Caller Just right. So we're, you know, right there.

43:02 You're part of.

43:02 Drew Yeah. And he's living at home still with.

43:05 Caller No, he's living with me.

43:08 Guest So you guys live all together?

43:10 We will live in the same.

43:11 Drew OK. So now these two were doing God knows what to the furniture. Well, you're where?

43:18 Caller I was at the store and I came home and I was looking for him and they were in my room.

43:22 Drew Right. But you're where? Staying with a friend now?

43:24 Caller I'm in a friend's house.

43:26 Adam Have they tried to look at you? Have they been looking?

43:28 Caller My mom keeps telling me to get off the phone.

43:30 Adam Have they been looking for you, your brother?

43:32 Caller I don't know.

43:34 Adam Why does the girl want you off the phone?

43:37 Oh, because it's so late.

43:39 Drew This is your mom, your friend's mom wants you off the horn, right?

43:43 Yeah.

43:43 Drew Okay. Hey, Anna? You got your work cut out for you. You're working, though? You're making money? Yeah. Okay. Don't lose your job. Keep it together. Don't get strung out on drugs. Kick these two a-holes out of the apartment. Live by yourself. Just be on your own for a little while.

44:02 Adam Let the rent sort of go. Get them kicked out of their own.

44:05 Drew Yeah.

44:06 Adam Find a new apartment.

44:07 Drew Listen, everybody, it's okay, especially girls, it's okay to take a few months out and regroup in life.

44:16 Guest I feel independent. It's such a great feeling to sort of...

44:19 Drew Just take care. Look after your own ass for just a few months.

44:23 Guest You just don't...

44:24 Drew Do you need the chaotic a-hole in the life all the time? Just like a stepping stone from one to the other to the next. I mean, you show me somebody who can be on their own for a little while and I'll show you a relatively sane person or crazy insane. It's one or the other, but that's what she needs to do. She needs to take control of her life. I know it sounds like a cliché. The world is your oyster. I mean, because that's all the world is. That is so out of context. I was either high or possibly high when I said that. I know I was kidding. There's no way I was serious when I said it.

45:00 Adam No, no, I remember it.

45:01 Drew No, I am a fine actor, Drew.

45:03 Adam 100% serious. You were lecturing.

45:05 Drew I'm a fine, fine actor. And that's what you got out of that.

45:09 Okay?

45:10 Drew There goes Drew's high horse. Maybe it's my high horse.

45:13 Adam Yeah, I believe it's yours.

45:14 Drew All right, Izabella and Jonathan are both here. From the Forsaken, which is out this Friday. We'll take a break. We'll be back after this.

45:21 Caller Hello, this is your radio. Loveline will be right back.

45:35 Drew Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, that is Dr. Drew, wherever he may be. Who's that riff by, Anderson? I haven't heard that one in a little while. I like that riff. Sum 41. Yeah, that's old Sum 41, that's right. Izabella Miko is here tonight, along with Jonathan Shaech from The Forsaken, which is coming out, a very scary movie, coming out this Friday.

46:02 Guest Terrifying.

46:02 Caller You can cause addiction, Adam.

46:04 Guest Did you know that? Speaking of addiction, that's what the vampires have. They have an addiction.

46:10 Drew Yeah, for blood?

46:11 Yeah, they have to have it.

46:13 Guest That's the difference between these vampires than other vampires.

46:16 Drew Yeah, they need blood.

46:17 Adam I thought they needed it to survive.

46:19 Guest They did. It's like, it's looked as like a crack addict's knee.

46:25 Guest Also, blood disease.

46:26 Guest Yeah, it's a blood disease.

46:27 Guest Yeah, it's a blood disease.

46:28 Guest They need to be treated with drugs.

46:29 Drew Now, do these guys, do they have an accent? I mean, do they need blood or do they need blood?

46:35 Adam I, I'm Phil. I'm a vampire.

46:40 Guest They're listening to Loveline. They're driving to the movies. You guys are both in it.

46:43 Drew They're usually from, oh, we didn't know.

46:46 Adam Another film.

46:47 Drew They're usually from some Eastern European country or from England.

46:54 Adam Wherever Latvia was from, that's where the, you know.

46:57 Drew Yeah, yeah. From Baltic. Hungarian.

47:00 Adam Yeah, Baltic.

47:00 Drew A lot of the time. That's why I don't visit that part of the country. Well, you're from Poland.

47:05 Guest I'm from Poland.

47:05 Guest You have vampires there?

47:07 Guest Come on. No.

47:09 No.

47:09 Guest Not as far as I know.

47:11 Drew All right. Mike?

47:13 Adam Mike? Sleeping? There you are.

47:15 Drew What's up? You're 22.

47:16 Caller Yeah, I had a question about homosexuality. It's been proven that you're born with it or if it comes later in life, if you're abused or...

47:27 Drew Well, only your hairdresser knows.

47:29 Adam Yeah. This is a controversial issue, but it appears that there are... It's both. Yeah. Like with every human behavior, there are genetic elements and there's environmental elements. And for some people, it's a predominately environmental issue that brings it on. And for others, they're born that way.

47:44 Caller What's your opinion?

47:45 Adam No, that point...

47:46 Drew That's it.

47:46 Adam That's it. That's my opinion. It's both.

47:48 Drew Yeah. We tend to like the Born With It folks more than the environmental folks in anything.

47:53 Adam Yeah.

47:53 Drew You know what I'm talking about?

47:54 Adam Yeah.

47:55 Drew Some people were a certain way the minute they were born.

47:59 Guest Yeah.

48:00 Drew Some guys were meant to be gay. Some guys were meant to play sports.

48:04 Guest Yeah.

48:04 Drew Some guys were meant to snowboard.

48:05 Guest I was actually in a ballet school for a couple of years, and that's, you know, we had a lot of guys that were straight when they went into ballet school, and then they turned into gay, and they're just, yeah. Because ballet makes you sort of more feminine and go in touch with your body.

48:21 Adam They were gay at the beginning when they just sort of brought them out.

48:23 Guest No, I don't think so. I mean, I saw it. I've seen this happen.

48:26 Adam So that's a social...

48:27 Drew Well, stretching makes you gay. That's proven. I mean, guys, you stretch so they can reach the penis.

48:33 Guest It's the tights, it's the nylons.

48:35 Drew There's something about being limber and being gay that go hand in hand. You show me a guy who can't touch his toes, I'll show you a straight guy. You know what I'm saying? Mike, you gay?

48:45 Caller No, not whatsoever. I had another quick...

48:48 Drew Not limber at all, are you?

48:49 Caller No, whatsoever.

48:50 Drew There you go. See?

48:51 Caller I have a quick question. Before I had my son, when I was 17, through 15 and 17, methamphetamines was part of my life and I used it every day. And I wonder if that could affect my metabolism now.

49:03 Adam No, it could affect your brain function now, but not your metabolism.

49:06 Caller Whatsoever, not my metabolism?

49:08 Adam No, but your brain function. Boy, if you have a metabolism problem, get your thyroid checked. But the high dose of amphetamine will do basically the same thing as a few exposures to ecstasy, which is to disturb the serotonin function in the emotional centers of the brain.

49:24 Drew What's up with your metabolism now?

49:27 Caller After I had my son, I was about 180 pounds without my son and now I bumped up 100 pounds. I'm 280 now. It's hard to drop it. I'm only 22 years old.

49:37 Drew Is your vagina all stretched out?

49:38 Adam Are you doing any other drugs?

49:40 Caller No, I've been clean since I had my son.

49:42 Adam You're not smoking pot?

49:43 Caller No, no, no, but.

49:45 Guest Are you eating the same and everything?

49:46 Caller No. I have more craving for sweets now that I got off the mess.

49:52 Adam That's actually common.

49:53 Caller Yeah. I'm active. I go to work. I surf. I ride dirt bikes. I'm active. But I can't push the weight. I can't get it off.

50:00 Drew Well, a couple of things. A, when you're doing speed, you just tend not to eat so much. Say, A, number one, and B, number two, some guys grow into their sort of adult body, and that's kind of where they're at. Yeah.

50:12 Caller How tall are you? Six-one.

50:14 Drew Yeah. That may be your man's body, not your teenager's body.

50:18 Adam Maybe get a dietary plan going, get on some cardio.

50:22 Guest Yeah. I exercise, definitely.

50:24 Drew Hey, when do you think guys put on that weight and become that adult?

50:30 Adam It's late 20s, usually.

50:33 Drew I would think.

50:34 Adam It's late 20s.

50:34 Drew But still, there's usually a pretty good difference between a 16, 17-year-old guy and a 22, 23-year-old guy, usually. Isn't there that kind of adult body? Or is that more like late 20s?

50:46 Adam It's late 20s.

50:47 Guest It's eating habits, too.

50:48 Adam Yeah, but some guys, they're scrawny little people in high school, and you see them 15 years later, and they're like kind of stocky, thick, different. Man, they look different.

51:00 Drew But it's not necessarily... It's not like they got fat.

51:02 Adam It's like they came into their adult body.

51:05 Drew Yeah.

51:05 Adam Yeah.

51:06 Drew It's the difference, I guess, between 30-year-old guys and 15-year-old guys. It's not that they're necessarily fat 15-year-olds. It's that they're...

51:13 Guest He's just taking care of his kid now, instead of running off and doing drugs.

51:17 Adam He's eating sugars all the time, too. Yeah, that's gratifying. That same system.

51:22 Drew Elizabeth?

51:23 Oh, yeah.

51:24 Drew Hey, you're 20. What's up?

51:26 Caller Yeah, I have never had my period on my own. When I was 16, they put me on the pill, and then that gave me my period. And then I think around March of my freshman year at college, I went off for a year, and I didn't have my period. And then they put me back on the pill, and then I just went off again in January.

51:49 Adam No period?

51:49 Caller Yeah, no period.

51:50 Adam Have you been evaluated for why this is occurring?

51:53 Caller Yeah, they gave me the MRI when I was 16 for the pituitary glands or whatever.

52:03 Adam Oh, the MRI of the head, okay.

52:05 Caller And then I had a, that's like pretty much, I think, I'm going, the reason they put me off on January is because I went to see, I don't know what you call it, the hormone doctor. And he wants to see like what my levels are.

52:20 Adam Okay.

52:21 Caller And so I go, excuse me, I go back next month.

52:25 Caller What was that?

52:26 Adam It's like the Foster Brooks.

52:28 Caller It's like blah.

52:29 Caller And then he is going to check my blood work and see what's up.

52:35 Adam Well, that sounds like an appropriate plan because you really don't have a diagnosis at this point. All you know is you don't have your periods. There's a lot of different reasons for that.

52:42 Drew Is he doing blood work? Is he doing the blood work?

52:46 Caller Do you have any idea like, because I mean I'm going to be 21 in a month.

52:50 Adam There could be a lot of things, Elizabeth. There could be something called hypothylamic pituitary access dysfunction, which means although there's nothing structurally wrong with your pituitary, it doesn't work normally. There can be abnormalities with uterus. There can be abnormalities with ovaries, polycystic ovarian disease sometimes will do this sort of thing. There's a number of different things.

53:05 Guest You might be like too, sometimes you're too skinny. When you go away now.

53:09 Adam Anorectic, overworking out, that kind of thing can do it.

53:12 Drew How's everything else going?

53:13 Caller Everything else is good. Do you think it couldn't be like diabetes or something, could it?

53:19 Adam Well, why do you bring that up?

53:20 Caller Because I think my dad was just saying that, I think one of my, I don't know, it's in the family.

53:26 Adam Well, diabetes is a very easy thing to diagnose, okay? And they would have picked that up already. However, the reason it's interesting to bring this up, there's something called polycystic ovarian syndrome that is associated with insulin resistance and we believe may lead to diabetes later in life and that it's a significant and important thing to rule out. And some of the features that might be suppressed if you're on the pill.

53:49 Drew All right. Well, she's going in, she's going to get her blood worked up and everything will be fine, yeah?

53:53 Adam Yeah.

53:54 Drew Brandy?

53:55 Yeah.

53:56 Drew You're 14?

53:57 Caller Yeah.

53:57 Drew What's up?

53:58 Caller On Sunday night, I swallowed two razor blades. Ooh. And last night, I swallowed two as well.

54:06 Guest What's going on?

54:07 Caller Huh?

54:08 Guest Why did you swallow razor blades?

54:10 Caller I'm just kind of having a really hard time with my family situation and stuff.

54:13 Adam What's the situation?

54:15 Caller My mom, she uses meth, and I was taken out of the home about two years ago. I'm living with my grandparents now. I've been in and out of residential treatments and psychiatric hospitals.

54:26 Adam And why didn't they hospitalize you after the razor blades?

54:29 Caller Nobody knows about it.

54:31 Drew So are they in you?

54:32 Caller Yeah.

54:34 Drew How's that work there, Dr. Drew? And I never hear about that anymore. Didn't it used to be a way that people tried to kill themselves? Or was it just a Halloween thing?

54:43 Guest She had to go to the hospital.

54:45 Guest Yeah, she should go to the hospital.

54:46 Guest When you start passing razor blades, that's not good.

54:48 Drew I mean, I felt like I passed a razor blade after eating a Muffaletta in New Orleans, but it wasn't actually a razor blade.

54:56 Adam The theory is that if something passes your esophagus, if it makes it through the esophagus, it'll make it the rest of the way. However, I have no experience with razor blade swallowing, frankly, and I would be real concerned about this. I would hope you get evaluated.

55:10 Drew Well, if you swallowed the razor blade yesterday, Yeah, the day before she swallowed it. and the day before, would you have moved them?

55:19 Adam Just about by now, yeah.

55:20 Caller Brandy? No, I haven't yet.

55:23 Drew You haven't been on the toilet?

55:24 Guest This is going to hurt.

55:25 Adam You would think. You've got to be seen, Brandy, right? Would you please?

55:29 Drew Where are you living now?

55:31 Caller I live up in Portland.

55:33 Adam But are you in a residential home?

55:35 Caller No, I'm living with my grandparents.

55:36 Drew Oh, right, right. And do you really want to kill yourself?

55:41 Caller Sometimes.

55:42 Adam Well, right now?

55:44 Caller Right this second. Yeah. Sort of.

55:48 Drew Is it because of Drew? Is it because of the employees?

55:51 Adam Don't you think you ought to maybe check in to a psychiatric hospital where you can be someplace safe where these impulses aren't so...

55:56 Caller Well, no, because I'm sick of them. I've been in a psychiatric hospital like four or five times.

56:01 Guest I just...

56:02 Caller I don't like it.

56:02 Drew What about your grandparents? What about the grandparents? Are they all right?

56:07 Caller They're fine.

56:08 Adam If you tell them, how are they going to react?

56:11 Caller I don't know. I don't want to tell them. I don't tell them anything.

56:15 Drew So you've not told anybody that you swallowed these razor blades?

56:19 Caller No.

56:20 Drew God, that's weird. I mean, see, normally...

56:22 Adam Anne, can you... This is what we need to follow up on, all right? Brandy, would you just commit to us that you're going to tell somebody tonight so you can get to proper care, please?

56:31 Caller Tell somebody?

56:32 Adam Tell someone.

56:32 Caller I don't think I can.

56:34 Adam So then you do want to die?

56:37 Caller No, I just... Okay.

56:40 Drew Well, you do or you don't?

56:42 Caller I do. I'm kind of having second thoughts when I write this second just because I don't know exactly what's going to happen and how painful it's going to be, but I don't know. I guess I do want to die. I just... I don't...

56:55 Adam You don't sound like you want to die.

56:56 Caller Huh?

56:57 Adam Isn't there something worth living for now?

56:59 Caller Not really.

57:00 Adam Why not?

57:02 Caller I just got expelled from school.

57:04 Adam Yeah.

57:05 Caller It's just everything's just kind of going down.

57:07 Adam What else? What else?

57:08 Caller My mom won't at all commit to trying to stop...

57:13 Adam Yeah, but that's your mom. Your mom's a drug addict. That's reality. Let go of that. Yeah, we got to let go of that. She has to take care of herself, but you got to take care of yourself.

57:21 Guest You're so young too. You have so much ahead of you.

57:25 Drew You have anything you enjoy?

57:28 Caller No.

57:29 Drew No music? No nothing? No guys?

57:31 Caller Snowboarding, I guess, but the season's over.

57:34 Drew Yeah. Well, there'll be another one, you know.

57:36 Caller I gotta wait.

57:37 Drew Yeah. You gotta wait a little bit, but there'll be another snowfall and you get your snowboard back out. And you know, you can theoretically kill yourself snowboarding, actually. That'd probably be the more logical plan.

57:50 Adam It'd be more fun anyway.

57:52 Drew It's certainly more effective from the people I know who've gone snowboarding. Hey Brandy, you gotta do something. You gotta talk to somebody. You have to call... I don't know, Drew, who she calls? Does it call a hospital?

58:05 Adam Well, would you at least talk to a suicide hotline?

58:08 Caller Um, yeah.

58:10 Caller I could do that.

58:12 Adam You promise you'll do that at least?

58:13 Caller Yeah.

58:13 Guest Alright.

58:14 Adam We have a 800 number. It's actually 1-800-SUICIDE.

58:18 Caller Okay.

58:19 Drew That's nice.

58:20 Caller Alright.

58:21 Adam Yeah. And in case... We've also got Child Help USA, which is 1-800...

58:27 Caller Hold on, Cliff.

58:28 Drew Well, let her get a pen, then.

58:30 Caller Okay.

58:31 Adam Okay. 422-4453. But we'd like to talk to you in a week or two, and just see how you're doing. And we want you to be around when we call next time.

58:41 Caller Okay.

58:41 Adam You know, it hurts to think that you would do yourself in. I guarantee you, tons of people that you would learn to care about and who undoubtedly would care about you even now. And that helps life be meaningful when it's difficult to find meaning in life. It's there, you know?

59:03 Caller Okay.

59:04 Drew All right, Brandy, call those numbers, please.

59:06 Adam Hold on, though, because we want to follow up with you, okay?

59:09 Caller Okay.

59:09 Drew All right, take care. You know, razor blade is like a...

59:15 Guest Is that a common way to...

59:17 Adam No, I've...

59:18 Guest I've never heard of it.

59:19 Adam I'm involved in lots of suicides, and never razor blade.

59:24 Guest This is crazy.

59:25 Drew But it was... It seemed to be like... It's like an old school thing, isn't it?

59:29 Adam It seems like it, doesn't it?

59:30 Guest Very cruel.

59:31 Adam Just the thought of it, though, just... Isn't it one of those, like, fingernails on the blackboard?

59:37 Guest Yeah, yeah.

59:39 Adam I hope maybe it was a Mach 3 or something with the...

59:41 Drew She had it on the disposable.

59:43 Adam It wasn't a double-edged, you know?

59:44 Guest They don't come too...

59:45 Drew You know what I'm saying?

59:46 Guest Too often.

59:47 Adam It probably was not a double-edged blade, you know what I'm saying?

59:50 Guest The other ones are even thinner.

59:53 Guest Oh, God.

59:54 Adam You wouldn't get through past your tongue. You'd still slice your tongue off.

59:59 Drew Well, I'll tell you, Drew, I may kill myself after tonight. I really might. Tonight's been a... It's been tough... .very much. It's been a heavy night.

1:00:07 Guest It's the Forsaken that's coming.

1:00:08 Adam Yeah, the eerie quality to your eyes movie.

1:00:11 Drew Yeah. Yes, some sort of evil wind has blown through this place.

1:00:14 Guest You bring that.

1:00:16 Drew Drew was blowing a pretty mean wind through this place about two weeks ago. Remember that?

1:00:19 Adam Oh, that was nasty.

1:00:20 Drew Yeah, you ate the scallions or what was I saying?

1:00:22 Adam Good times.

1:00:23 Guest Drew, when someone, you know, they don't have anyone in their lives, obviously, did they ever push to find the creative juices?

1:00:33 Adam Creativity is a solution to despair.

1:00:36 Guest That's right. At 14 years old, can you attach to your creativity very easily?

1:00:42 Adam No. It's easier and perhaps more efficient to attach to other people and to find meaning through that connectedness of other. And I trust that that was the hard part, is she's been so abused and neglected and abandoned and whatnot.

1:00:54 Guest So she thinks the next step is to swallow razor blades and get her mom to quit doing drugs.

1:00:59 Drew Yeah.

1:01:01 Adam It's more I hate myself and I'll show you how much.

1:01:04 Drew Stuart?

1:01:05 Caller Yeah.

1:01:05 Drew You're 21?

1:01:07 Caller Yeah.

1:01:07 Drew What's up?

1:01:11 Guest When I was 15, I was going to high school, I had a teacher, she was my English teacher, and she was pretty, pretty wackly. She seduced me into living with her and all kinds of mess. I continue to like.

1:01:32 Drew Seduced you into what?

1:01:34 Adam Living with her.

1:01:34 Guest Living with her.

1:01:35 Guest Yeah, living with her.

1:01:36 Drew At 15?

1:01:38 Guest Yeah.

1:01:38 Drew You moved in with your teacher at 15?

1:01:41 Guest Yeah.

1:01:41 Adam What did your parents say?

1:01:45 Guest They weren't too happy with it.

1:01:46 Adam Why didn't they speak to the school?

1:01:48 Drew They did.

1:01:49 Adam They did?

1:01:50 Guest Oh, yeah.

1:01:51 Adam And what?

1:01:52 Guest Did they fire her?

1:01:55 Guest Yeah, eventually. Eventually? They tried to keep it pretty quiet, though. I think they didn't want to go in public or anything.

1:02:01 Drew Who are your parents?

1:02:02 Guest They made a movie about this. Yeah.

1:02:06 Drew How long did you live with her?

1:02:10 Guest Well, I lived with her about, I don't know, a couple months or something. Then they took me to a, my parents took me to a wilderness program in Arizona.

1:02:19 Adam What kind of program?

1:02:20 Drew Oh, Outward Bound?

1:02:22 Guest No, no, I've heard of Outward Bound. It was actually Anasazi.

1:02:26 Drew Well, it was the same thing. They just take troublemakers, they take them backpacking for six months and help they tire them out.

1:02:32 Guest That was two and a half months for me.

1:02:34 Adam Did that work for you?

1:02:36 Guest Actually, I was really happy when I got back, but it only took me a couple days or a week to get back into that whole mess again.

1:02:44 Drew With the teacher?

1:02:45 Guest Yeah.

1:02:46 Drew And how long did that go on?

1:02:50 Guest Three years, until I was 17, I guess.

1:02:56 Drew All right. And then what? They broke it off and that was it?

1:03:01 Guest You woke up to them?

1:03:03 Guest Yeah. I eventually started to realize what this lady was all about. And I decided she was pretty strange and I didn't want to be with her.

1:03:14 Drew Flawed. And how long was she not teaching anymore?

1:03:20 Guest Um, no.

1:03:22 Drew Okay. And so now what?

1:03:25 Guest Um, now I'm suing the school district for like a million bucks.

1:03:30 Drew I see. Why?

1:03:31 Caller You are an asshole!

1:03:34 Drew Why are you suing them? I mean, what did they do? They didn't know about it.

1:03:37 Adam They didn't intervene.

1:03:39 Guest Well, yeah. My mom went in there with notes that she had taken from a phone conversation she had listened to, that would be an all lovey-dovey and stuff.

1:03:49 Drew All right.

1:03:50 Guest That right there should have sparked a huge investigation.

1:03:53 Drew Why do you feel used or betrayed?

1:03:57 Guest Well, recently I had this girlfriend. She was too young. She was living with a lady. The lady called the cops on me. I went to jail for three months. All right. That sparked the bitterness against society. And I went and talked to a lawyer. Got things rolling.

1:04:16 Drew Okay. Hold on a second there, Stuart. We gotta talk about you. I hate everyone who files a lawsuit for anything. I don't care if you burn over 90% of your body because the Matterhorn exploded while you were waiting in line. I still hate you for lawsuits. Stuart sounds like he was screwed by his teacher, literally. Figuratively. It sounds like the school board dropped the ball. He also sounds like a terribly troubled, anti-social, semi-dangerous, sociopathic guy himself.

1:04:48 Guest What state is this?

1:04:49 Drew He's called from Utah.

1:04:51 Guest What's the age?

1:04:53 Drew I think it's 11 in Utah.

1:04:55 Guest I don't know.

1:04:58 Drew I don't know what he wants from us though, Stuart. What are you suing them and how's it going?

1:05:06 Guest It's looking actually pretty good as far as me getting what I'm asking for.

1:05:12 Drew Okay.

1:05:12 Guest But my whole opinion on it is exactly actually your opinion. I hate everybody who sues anybody for any reason.

1:05:20 Drew All right.

1:05:26 Guest I came to grips with the fact that society isn't my problem. I'm my problem.

1:05:32 Drew That's good. Now, I'm in love with Stuart, by the way.

1:05:38 Guest So now, I'm just confused on the whole situation of me suing and everything.

1:05:42 Drew Okay.

1:05:43 Adam Well, I don't mind him suing because he's in a group.

1:05:45 Drew Yeah.

1:05:46 Adam Now, we're okay with him suing, right?

1:05:47 Drew Now that he's not okay with it, I'm okay with it.

1:05:49 Adam All right.

1:05:52 Drew Here's something to worry about, though, Stuart. And I know this sounds a cliché, and it's as old as the Bible, but if you got your hands on, you know, $452,000 cash, you might blow your brains out, not with a gun, but just screw your life up royally in about... You could blow through it in a year or two years, and you could be hooked on God knows what by the time that period was over. I mean, it can... I had a friend who got just a small amount of money, just like 15 grand, and he just went flying off the deep end. I mean, that isn't my friends, but he just quit his job, started doing blow, moved to Hawaii, lived in a hotel for four months.

1:06:35 Guest For 15 grand?

1:06:36 Drew That's pretty good. It was probably more like 13 grand. Oh, but that, you know, you're living in North Hollywood making 280 bucks a week, 13 grand is as much money as you're ever gonna see at any one time.

1:06:48 Guest Yeah?

1:06:49 Drew Yeah, be, prepare yourself that if you do win a settlement, that somebody else administers it, have it go somewhere, have it go into some T-bills or something, get it invested. Don't, you know, put yourself on a sort of a diet with it. Don't, don't freak out with it.

1:07:08 Guest Stay away from tech stocks.

1:07:09 Guest Well, I've done drugs and I've had a pretty serious weed problem for, I don't know, a couple years, three or four years. But actually, I don't do any drugs anymore.

1:07:23 Drew Okay, but why don't, why don't you look at your, make yourself your project to get yourself in shape for when the time comes a year from now or eight months from now or whatever it is that you actually receive some sort of settlement check?

1:07:36 Adam Yeah.

1:07:37 Drew You know what I mean?

1:07:38 Adam Yeah.

1:07:38 Drew Because he sounds like the kind of guy that might just spin out.

1:07:41 Adam Right onto heroin.

1:07:42 Drew Right. Okay. Well, we'll take ourselves a break. We'll be right back. Hi.

1:07:58 This is John Favreau and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:08:06 Drew Izabella Miko and Jonathan Sheck are our guests tonight. They are from The Forsaken, which is coming out this Friday in a theater near you. You just met Jonathan, I mean, John Favreau. Yeah, in The Drop.

1:08:22 Adam Oh, I missed that.

1:08:24 Drew John Favreau drives Drew nuts.

1:08:26 Hi, this is John Favreau.

1:08:27 Adam There he is.

1:08:27 Don't understand why.

1:08:28 Adam No, no, we're big buddies.

1:08:29 Drew I like the guy.

1:08:30 Adam We're buddies.

1:08:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:08:31 Drew Hey, buddy. Nice guy. I like him.

1:08:34 Adam We just got a big fight one time.

1:08:35 Guest Did you really?

1:08:37 Guest I can see.

1:08:38 Drew Yeah, he was...

1:08:41 Adam About... John felt himself to be an expert in the mental health field. And he was advising a very sick young man not to take his medicines.

1:08:50 Guest His wife is a doctor. I'm pretty sure.

1:08:53 Drew Oh, really? Yeah. There's only... Drew's policy is there's only room for one geek in the studio.

1:09:01 Adam Oh, is John a geek?

1:09:02 Drew TV or radio?

1:09:03 Well, with John Favreau...

1:09:06 Drew You start hornin in to your geek turf, you know what I mean, the medications, prescriptions...

1:09:11 Guest Well, I'll vouch for it. John is a good sighted guy.

1:09:14 Drew Wonderful. Hey, Dear Dear Friend. Dear Friend. Dear Friend. Dear Dear.

1:09:18 Guest Dear Dear.

1:09:19 Drew Never seen him.

1:09:19 Guest Good writer, too.

1:09:20 Drew Dear. Genius and Dear.

1:09:22 Guest Not a doctor.

1:09:23 Drew I like him. Antoinette?

1:09:25 Guest Yes.

1:09:26 You're 33?

1:09:27 Adam Yes.

1:09:27 Drew What's up?

1:09:28 Caller I have a daughter who is going to be 13 soon, and luckily we're very close, and we happened to be out to dinner the other day having our normal discussion, and she told me that one of her friends, but I have to promise not to tell, is, and it's not a close friend, is giving blow jobs to the other boy.

1:09:47 Adam How did you know that?

1:09:49 Caller Well, I read it in the monitor.

1:09:51 Drew Just blowing John in it, that's how he knows.

1:09:53 Caller She's blowing a few boys.

1:09:55 Drew Oh, I see.

1:09:56 Caller Your daughter?

1:09:57 Guest No.

1:09:58 Adam And you're aware that as amazing as it is, that's fairly common behavior these days.

1:10:05 Caller As amazing as it is, yes. Unfortunately, though, I mean, when I was discussing it with my daughter, she sees it, thank God. She says, you know, it's really sad that she has to find self-esteem that way.

1:10:16 Adam Good.

1:10:17 Caller She'll turn out to be a lesbian. Go ahead.

1:10:19 Caller Now, I don't think that she has a boyfriend, but she just doesn't think that you need to. Well, that's good.

1:10:25 Drew Right, right.

1:10:26 Caller But anyway, so my concern is, you know, I told my daughter, I think probably something's happening in the household, and maybe that's causing her to act like that.

1:10:33 Adam Or maybe it had happened at one time, sure.

1:10:35 Caller Right. And she says, no, no, no, people have stayed over there. You know, apparently the mom has let them have teenage couple sleepovers.

1:10:42 Adam Well, that's, you know, that's a hint that something's going on at that house.

1:10:46 Caller Right. That's kind of what I said, but my daughter told me that I can't tell anybody and not to go running to the counselor and tell the counselor. And I said, well, you know, it's kind of a problem. I mean, maybe there's something really going on at home.

1:10:57 Guest Well, try going on Jerry Springer or something like that. Yeah.

1:11:00 Adam You see, kids get very confused about...

1:11:02 Guest I saw that before, on Jerry Springer.

1:11:03 Adam Kids get very confused about loyalty and secrets and when it is and is not appropriate to help, try to help someone.

1:11:10 Drew That's why they're called parenting, everybody. But you say teenage sleepover, male and female?

1:11:15 Caller Yes. Male, female couple sleepovers. My daughter's not allowed to go over there. Yeah. She's not allowed to go over, even, you know, go over to her house or hang around with her after school ever since. Her friend's parents walked in on the little girl and the other friend and then two boys over in the guest house filling them up with their clothes off.

1:11:35 Drew What? What was the word?

1:11:37 Adam Filling them up?

1:11:38 Drew Oh, I thought she said filling them up.

1:11:40 Caller Yeah, they were groping the girls nude.

1:11:42 Drew I see. All right. But the parents are together.

1:11:48 Caller I don't know what their parents are. My daughter, from my understanding, she says the mom's been married like five times, and I said, you know, yeah, there's a problem there.

1:11:56 Adam Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter. These parents are troubled. There's trouble in the household.

1:12:01 Caller That's what I think, and my concern is like something might happen to this poor kid because nobody really wants to step in and do it.

1:12:07 Adam You've got to go over and start talking to some of the teachers and things, and tell them that you have some stuff given to you, and information in confidence. So it's important that they figure out a way to sort of come upon this information without it being obvious that it was from you.

1:12:21 Drew Start calling your daughter Raven, call her Snowman.

1:12:25 Adam You've got to alert the people that are taking care of this girl.

1:12:28 Caller Because I feel really bad about the whole thing, and I mean because I promise...

1:12:33 Guest You can't do it, you have to save.

1:12:35 Adam Listen, don't you start to collude with these crazy ideas.

1:12:38 Caller Well, I'm really not. I'm trying to figure out a way I can do it without it being obvious.

1:12:41 Adam Go talk to the teachers. Tell them that you're telling this in confidence, but you have information they need to know. That it can't be, it must be clear that it didn't come from you, that you're trying to respect some confidence in the way you receive the information, but the teachers must have the information.

1:12:58 Drew Where's her dad, where's your husband?

1:13:00 Caller My husband?

1:13:01 Drew Yeah.

1:13:01 Caller Oh, I've never been married.

1:13:02 Drew Oh, okay. All right, baby, be careful. You may give her a eating disorder.

1:13:07 Caller My kids? I hope not.

1:13:08 Drew You gotta give her a little room.

1:13:10 Guest Don't put too much energy into that.

1:13:12 Caller Well, she has a lot of things to focus on.

1:13:14 Caller I feel sorry for the other kids because I love my daughter and I try to stay close with her, but let her do her own thing. And I feel bad for the kids who aren't in the same position.

1:13:24 Drew Okay. All right. So do go talk to the counselor.

1:13:27 Adam Just consider what if she were giving you information about one of the kids was planning to get a gun and start shooting. Just in strictest confidence. Can't tell anybody.

1:13:36 Drew Of course you tell. Well, but that's a no brainer. That's a layup.

1:13:39 Adam But it's the same idea here.

1:13:40 Drew All right. I'll tell you, if I saw my mom walking into school, I would kill myself. I'd jump right out the window. Just screaming. I'd swallow an antlers or a globe and I'd have to kill myself.

1:13:55 Guest I would.

1:13:56 Drew I go nuts. Thank God. I really do. I want to thank my parents for having almost no, almost no part in my life at all. It was a little bit of an open house, parent-teacher conferences. I never showed up and God bless them. God bless them. I should get in my car, another car or something for that. I really should.

1:14:16 Adam Did they maybe start out by attending them and they were so painful and disappointing that they ultimately just gave up?

1:14:22 Drew I don't really remember. All I remember is by the time I got to the sixth or seventh grade, I was off and running and I never saw them. I never saw them at school and that was good. That notion of my parents speaking to a teacher or any buddy associated with the school was a very horrifying thought.

1:14:45 Guest You can use it the other way. I actually forced my parents to go to those meetings and I told them what to tell to the teacher. I would say, you got to tell them to back off. I don't have time to do my homework because they would listen to my mom.

1:15:00 Drew Really?

1:15:01 Guest Yeah, my mom would make up the stories.

1:15:03 Drew Wow, you got your mom's in. Yeah. Your mom in. Jonathan, did you get your folks in?

1:15:08 Guest I just like to say hi to my folks if they're listening. But I don't think they're sleeping because it's the East Coast where I'm from.

1:15:14 Guest Thank God my mom from Poland is not listening.

1:15:18 Drew Could be on that Internet. Carla?

1:15:21 Caller Yes.

1:15:22 Drew You're 28?

1:15:23 Caller Yes, I am. I'm calling in response to the lady who called regarding her four-year-old daughter masturbating.

1:15:29 Guest Yeah.

1:15:31 Caller I think that this is really an important issue that we could further address because you guys have the great opportunity of reaching this country nationwide. And to let these innocent mothers, I'll call them innocent because maybe they've never been subjected to anything like this in their own lives. But I think that stay-at-home fathers should be looked at very closely. I mean, they're drinking alcohol. This little girl is four years old. Just a hectic environment doesn't necessarily instigate that type of act, those types of actions. He could be watching porno in front of her. He could be violating her innocence in some way, shape or form. And that mother needs to know that she should question her daughter if she sees anything on TV. She might need a medical exam, make sure that she's not being touched. I was a sexually abused child, and I remember doing that because those parts of me were being violated.

1:16:34 Adam Yeah, and we brought that up and mentioned that to her as well. But she is in such a mess. First of all, we were afraid to be too provocative because the husband was listening and becoming aggressive.

1:16:45 Guest Secondly, we could have become aggressive.

1:16:47 Adam We could hear her in the background. And secondly, it was made clear to her that this is a disturbed situation with the alcoholic husband. We don't know what he's up to, period.

1:16:58 Caller I think she gathered that. I think that you guys could be a little bit more direct because it goes on so freely in this country and it's ignored.

1:17:09 Adam Carla, this show is actually criticized constantly for being too much focused on sexual abuse because we deal with it almost every third call. And we actually get criticized for focusing too much on it.

1:17:21 Caller You had the opportunity to maybe awaken these ignorant mothers and maybe some of them...

1:17:29 Adam Most of them were sexually abused. Most of them were sexually abused, too.

1:17:33 Caller You guys were very subtle, though, when you guys were talking to her. And I was like, come on, come on, tell her to look closer at this. And maybe she gathered, maybe she didn't, but if she's listening right now, I want her to hear me and say, don't let this time in your little daughter's life go without being, you know? Yeah.

1:17:51 Drew Well, it's possible that she was sexually abused. On the other hand, you have an agenda that is bleeding into the words that you hear and the questions that we get as well. So your reality isn't everyone's reality either.

1:18:07 Caller It needs to be.

1:18:09 Drew No, it doesn't need to be.

1:18:10 Caller It should be, it should be brought to the attention of a lot of people who don't realize that these things really do happen. And it's not right for people to have, you know, pornos going in their house and then going on.

1:18:24 Drew We completely agree with that. But on the other hand, every situation of a child stimulating themselves is not directly caused by molestation. And we can't make everyone one of those. I agree with you, it should be brought up, it should be addressed.

1:18:43 Caller I understand, but a four-year-old is a baby.

1:18:46 Drew And okay, but that doesn't make, doesn't mean they were abused. You were abused. That doesn't mean everyone was abused.

1:18:53 Caller But this little girl could have been.

1:18:54 Drew It's possible.

1:18:56 Caller That's why I'm responding.

1:18:57 Drew All right.

1:18:58 Caller Because if it's that extreme, when she says she's red-faced and she moans, that could be a sign that she saw something that she shouldn't see.

1:19:05 Drew That is very, very possible.

1:19:07 Adam It could be. And again, the problem we have in this show is we talk about it every third call. And because it's your agenda, it didn't go exactly the way on that call the way you wish it would have. If you listen to the show, we will address this every 10 minutes.

1:19:20 Drew I agree. We could have hit the sexual abuse part a little harder.

1:19:25 Guest Yeah, but we're actually going on. I think she got the point.

1:19:29 Adam Yeah, I think so.

1:19:29 Drew Well, the point was this guy's an alcoholic. This guy should be watched. He should not be trusted and he has to do something about his alcoholism.

1:19:37 Adam Something is going on here that's making this kid do it.

1:19:39 Drew Right. Susie? Susie, you're 21. Boy, I'll tell you, what a life, everybody.

1:19:45 Adam And by the way, that's everybody that has something they're calling about, they feel strongly about, right?

1:19:50 Drew Whenever, here's, here's, let me, let me tell everyone who not to trust in life beside people who, who bring lawsuits on other people, people with an agenda. When you turn the TV on and you see people screaming about Jesus Christ, or you see people screaming about legalizing weed, or you see people screaming about abortion one way or the other, or molestation, or whatever, whatever, whoever has an agenda, don't believe them. Something happened to them, it's now become their life's work, and we're simply canvases for their sort of bad finger paintings. That's what we become. Everybody should be concerned with molestation. Should it consume their life? No. Should every case be molestation? No. It should be a responsible thing that everybody is aware of.

1:20:36 Adam But if it's not and somebody has had that happen to them, they'll come down in any way that doesn't see it as their life work.

1:20:42 Guest Are most children at that age openly sexual?

1:20:46 Adam No. If kids are sexually directed before puberty, they were...

1:20:51 Drew No, Drew. I tell you, you say this, I know, and you shake your head and you make me into some kind of maniac every time, but everybody I speak to, every kid says they played doctor, they were curious, they touched, sometimes they did a lot of stuff that would be sexual, but they didn't have an orgasm.

1:21:11 Adam Nor did they have intercourse.

1:21:12 Drew No, I'm not saying intercourse, but you cut it off. There could have been oral sex.

1:21:18 Adam No, no. I'm telling you, if there's oral sex, you're into that realm. You're into it.

1:21:23 Drew I'm telling you, most people I talk to have had some sort of experience that would be physically very far along the lines, but emotionally not that far along the lines.

1:21:36 Adam Touching and looking and being curious is completely normal. Being sexually directed to orgasm is adult.

1:21:42 Drew Well, not to orgasm. We don't know what an orgasm is.

1:21:45 Adam What's oral sex then?

1:21:47 Drew No, you just, it's experimentation. It's the same with the looking and the touching. What's the difference? What's the difference? What's the difference between touching and putting it in your mouth?

1:21:57 Caller Hi, this is Jon Favreau.

1:21:59 Drew What's the difference?

1:22:01 Adam It is a...

1:22:03 Drew It's the same thing. It's further along.

1:22:05 Adam It has to be learned.

1:22:08 Drew Why is putting your fingers on something or putting something in your mouth, what's the difference?

1:22:12 Adam It's a giant difference.

1:22:14 Drew Well, I know it's further along, but why?

1:22:17 Adam I'm just going to tell you that it doesn't happen without a bing. It just doesn't happen without a bing.

1:22:22 Drew You turned this into something that doesn't happen and I talked to people who said, yeah, screwed around all the time.

1:22:28 Adam Touching, looking.

1:22:30 Drew Yeah, naughty.

1:22:30 Adam And especially in highly arousing, disturbed family systems, you'll see more of this stuff. And if it becomes sexually directed, it's because an adult did something to one of the kids.

1:22:42 Drew It's all sexually directed. They just don't know what sex is.

1:22:46 Adam Until an adult gets into them. No.

1:22:49 Drew I disagree.

1:22:50 Guest You might see it on TV, though.

1:22:52 Adam That's part of it. Adults, they see adult sexual behavior.

1:22:54 Drew Oh, well, yeah. Okay. But that's not what she means by it.

1:22:57 Guest She brought up the pornos.

1:22:58 Adam Yeah. Pornos are traumatizing young kids. That is not good for kids to see that stuff.

1:23:02 Drew Right. But it's some mimicry, but there's a fair amount of experimentation and biology involved with it. There's non-orgasm, or even what I would call sexual biology, but biology, nonetheless.

1:23:20 Adam Curious, touching, that kind of thing. Yes.

1:23:22 Drew All right.

1:23:24 Adam We're saying basically the same thing. We really are.

1:23:26 Drew I'm just saying it goes on more than you think.

1:23:29 Adam And especially in disturbed systems, where there's a lot of arousal.

1:23:33 Drew All right. We'll take ourselves a break. We'll be back. That's the pious one over there, Dr. Drew. Isabella Miko is our guest tonight, along with Jonathan Shaech, from The Forsaken. It is out this... Thank you, thank you. This Friday, and if this show hasn't scared you, that movie will.

1:24:04 Caller Yes.

1:24:05 Drew This show is far scarier than anything that could come out of Hollywood, though. I'll tell you that right now.

1:24:09 Caller Oh, yeah, and I have sex with my brother.

1:24:11 Adam Who was that?

1:24:13 Drew Yeah, who was that?

1:24:14 Adam Goldfinger.

1:24:15 Drew Oh, all right. Suzy?

1:24:17 Caller Yes.

1:24:18 Drew You're 21? What's up?

1:24:21 Caller Okay, I've been with this guy for about three months, and we have sex and everything, but he won't, he's never came.

1:24:28 Guest Not even orally.

1:24:30 Adam Not even, Adam?

1:24:31 Caller No, and I don't know what's wrong. I mean, he says I'm doing a good job, but he never seems to.

1:24:37 Adam Is he on medication?

1:24:38 Caller No.

1:24:39 Adam Do you know he's on medication?

1:24:41 Caller Um, he has one, uh, that has anything.

1:24:45 Adam How come he has only one?

1:24:46 Caller Um, I haven't asked him. I'm kind of too shy to ask him.

1:24:50 Caller He said he's had two hernias in the past, and they were removed, but I don't know if that has anything to do with it either.

1:24:56 Adam Not likely, but maybe one of the hernia operations went bad, but I.

1:25:01 Drew How old is this guy?

1:25:02 Adam That shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless he had the radiation or testicular cancer and had treatment for that or something. Sometimes that will do it.

1:25:09 Drew And you're having sex with him?

1:25:11 Guest Yeah.

1:25:12 Drew Are you using protection? I'm on the pill. Oh, good times, baby. Yeah. What I like to hear. Calling from San Fernando? Yeah. You got to haul your ass out of that pit soon. Jesus Christ. People in North Hollywood, they laugh at the people in San Fernando.

1:25:30 Caller They say, you got to be high.

1:25:31 Drew Oh yeah, that place sucks. Oh man. Jesus. Really, San Fernando sucks. Done it, Susie?

1:25:38 Caller Yes, it does.

1:25:39 Drew Yeah, thank you. Thanks for that backup.

1:25:42 Caller Also, he doesn't like to masturbate.

1:25:44 Drew Oh, yeah.

1:25:45 Guest Oh, Adam.

1:25:46 Drew Yeah, I couldn't hang with this guy. We have nothing to talk about.

1:25:51 Guest Nothing in common.

1:25:52 Drew No common ground at all, eh?

1:25:53 Caller No, no.

1:25:55 Caller He finds it dirty.

1:25:57 Drew He finds it dirty. Oh, is he a religious guy?

1:26:01 Caller Not really.

1:26:02 Caller When he was going up, his mom made him think it was dirty.

1:26:07 Adam Maybe that's why he's anxious about having sex, maybe why he can't ejaculate. I don't know. We'd have to talk to him to find out what's going on.

1:26:13 Drew His mom screamed, is he Mexican? Yeah. Mexican women got that crazy mom voice. They scream like they're on fire all the time. No, every time I call my maid, her mom answer, hello, is it there?

1:26:36 Guest No, she's not here.

1:26:37 Drew It's like, yeah, they tell her, she's like, they're screaming. I don't jack off for a couple of days after that conversation.

1:26:46 Caller Hey, hey.

1:26:48 Drew Yeah, they scare their sons and they're not whacking off. It's an interesting approach culturally. Susie?

1:26:55 Caller Yeah?

1:26:56 Drew Yeah, you love this guy?

1:26:57 Caller Yeah.

1:26:58 Drew All right, well, it's time to start communicating.

1:26:59 Adam Yeah, it's time to start talking, find out who he is, why he has one testicle.

1:27:04 Drew Yeah.

1:27:04 Caller So would that have anything to do with why he won't?

1:27:06 Adam We don't know. We got to talk to him. And you're the one that's going to do the talking for us.

1:27:10 Drew Yeah, it's all right. Just tell him, you know, you love him and you want him to...

1:27:14 Caller Make him happy?

1:27:15 Drew Yeah, you want to have fun and have pleasure.

1:27:16 Guest Get him drunk and whack him off.

1:27:20 Drew All right. Stay on that pill and get your ass out of San Fernando.

1:27:25 Caller Okay.

1:27:26 Adam Maybe that's why he doesn't jack the ladies. Imagine how comfortable that would be.

1:27:31 Drew Yeah. What's he doing over there? Is he working at an auto salvage place or something?

1:27:36 Caller No, he works for his dad.

1:27:38 Drew What's his dad do?

1:27:40 Adam Auto salvage.

1:27:41 Caller He owns his company. I don't know. Yeah.

1:27:43 Drew You really don't sweat the details.

1:27:45 Adam I'm in love with this guy that I just don't know.

1:27:48 Drew He does, well, he's a professional, well, who knows?

1:27:50 Adam Yeah. Do you know his name?

1:27:52 Caller Yeah.

1:27:53 Adam Okay.

1:27:54 Drew Not last name though, right?

1:27:55 Caller No.

1:27:56 Caller Are you serious?

1:27:58 Adam Yeah.

1:27:58 Drew Do I know his last name? Yeah, you do know his last name. Yeah. All right. I would like you to find out what happened to one of his balls and what his dad's business is. Okay. All right.

1:28:09 Adam And what he needs in order to ejaculate, what you can do for him to make him happy.

1:28:13 Drew Okay. Let's...

1:28:14 Adam Good time.

1:28:15 Drew Good time. Let's talk to Fred who's 15. Fred? Hey. Hey. Hey.

1:28:21 Guest My question is probably more for Dr. Drew.

1:28:23 Adam What's up?

1:28:24 Guest I'm pretty sure that I've accurately self-diagnosed myself with hepatidamitis in the left testicle.

1:28:30 Adam There's no such thing as an accurate self-diagnosis, so...

1:28:33 Drew Sure there is. Why not? Drew doesn't want him to cut into his business.

1:28:37 Caller No.

1:28:38 Adam That's just not something... First of all, you're not trained to make any diagnosis, and even people who are trained to make diligent efforts not to diagnose themselves.

1:28:48 Drew What do you... Yeah?

1:28:49 Guest I'm still pretty sure that's what it is.

1:28:51 Drew All right.

1:28:51 Guest Because it looks like the epididamitis. It looks like the epididymis, and it's inflamed.

1:28:56 Adam I'm wondering... Whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean, it looks like the epididymis?

1:28:59 Guest That's what it is, like the epididymis.

1:29:03 Adam You can see your epididymis?

1:29:05 Guest Or I can see the texture as it appears through the testicle.

1:29:08 Adam No, wrong. Impossible. What is it you're experiencing?

1:29:13 Guest It's no feeling or anything. It's just large.

1:29:17 Adam You're having a swelling in the testi? Yeah. Is it hard?

1:29:22 Guest No.

1:29:23 Adam It's soft and sort of squishy? Okay, you need to get that evaluated.

1:29:28 Drew Yeah, you've got to end up in San Fernando with one nut.

1:29:31 Adam It could be...

1:29:32 Drew A working guy, I swear.

1:29:33 Adam It could be a varicoseal, cystoseal, spermatosal, it could be a tumor, it could be a lot of things. Epididymitis, down the list. Epididymitis is usually just pain in the groin and testing.

1:29:42 Guest Okay, and could it be related to masturbating and then keeping the ejaculate from exiting the penis?

1:29:49 Adam No.

1:29:50 Drew Yeah, that could certainly irritate things.

1:29:52 Adam That can irritate things and it could prostate.

1:29:54 Drew How do you stop it? Number two pencil?

1:29:57 Adam He pushes up on the...

1:29:58 Guest And why? He pushes where?

1:30:00 Adam He pushes...

1:30:01 Drew Did he just hang up, by the way? Hello? Yeah. Fred was a real likable chap.

1:30:07 Guest Did you get that from Fred?

1:30:09 Drew You know what's funny to me? When guys are 15 and well on their way to A-hole-ville, like well on their way, you know, a little pompous, a little self-righteous, kind of pricks, and 15.

1:30:23 Guest Did he self-diagnose himself at elephant biases?

1:30:28 Drew I really would not like to see this guy at like 41, unless he's had a full epiphany and found Jesus Christ or something. You know, the 15-year-old guy is kind of a prick? A jerk-off, I'm fine with, but like a sort of blow-harded 15? Hi, this is John Favreau. That's trouble. Oh, please. Please. He's a delight. How dare you. All right, let's take ourselves a little break and we'll come back, wrap up, wrap down after this.

1:30:58 Caller Let's go.

1:31:06 Drew Izabella, Jonathan, I want to thank you very much for coming in tonight.

1:31:10 Guest Well, thank you very much.

1:31:11 Guest It's been fun.

1:31:12 Drew Nice to meet you.

1:31:13 Guest Scary.

1:31:13 Adam And yeah, well, and homage to your film.

1:31:17 Drew Yeah. The Forsaken, everybody, this Friday, go out and see it and crap yourself.

1:31:23 Guest Please do.

1:31:24 Adam There you go. And visit the nurse in the aisle.

1:31:26 Drew And there is a registered nurse in each and every aisle.

1:31:30 Guest It's the little movie that could.

1:31:32 Drew So until next time, it's Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo. My mother ignored me.

1:31:37 Caller Pow!

1:31:39 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on the show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors for this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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