Episode 1000754886823

1:00 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised. Loveline, Coast to Coast.

1:11 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. And tonight, we are going to bring on a couple of guests after this first segment, who are going to tell us everything everyone ever wanted to know about the law and molestation and rape and all. We get a lot of these questions about what you can do.

1:42 Drew Every night.

1:43 Adam You were date raped. You want to report it, but you don't want a court trial.

1:47 Drew Or it happened a week ago and is it too late?

1:50 Adam Or it happened when you were a kid and it's been ten years.

1:53 Drew What's going to happen when I go to the ER for the evaluation?

1:56 Adam Right. How to collect evidence if you have ever been a victim of a sexual crime or is it wrong to do an 85 year old? Or if you have ever done an 85 year old?

2:11 Drew Had her hips break? Are you liable?

2:14 Adam You can collect evidence in that situation. We will bring, now one of them is Deputy District Attorney of Los Angeles and we have to talk to her about many issues involving the traffic side of this fine, fine, fine city of ours.

2:38 Drew You have to get that off your chest first. You have to save it for the very end.

2:42 Adam Well, I will have to talk off the air about priorities involving traffic. But that's Eva Jabber. But I don't think she, I don't know if that's her field of expertise. But she may know some friends. And then Christopher Cognac is a, both have interesting last names, but they're real. And he's a, he's a police officer. And he's asked us not to say where he's a police officer, but it's a big, big outfit, big municipality. And he knows his stuff. And he, Drew, you want to jump in at all here?

3:17 Drew I'm just thinking he was going to talk to us about the process whereby people would go in for an evaluation and what circumstance, how, what the nuts and bolts would be of making these kinds of reports, what actually happens. Right.

3:29 Adam And most of these questions, we don't have answers to, so we're going to, we're going to figure that out tonight. And we'll take some phone calls. But if you have questions about these subjects, for instance, you were date-raped.

3:45 Drew Date-raped, physical abuse, sexual abuse, and any kind of victimization we'll get into tonight.

3:50 Adam Right. And you want to know what your legal recourse is. This is a good time, good night to call. Jeff?

3:58 Drew Jeff?

3:59 I'm here.

3:59 Adam You're 25?

4:01 Caller Yeah, that's me.

4:02 Adam All right.

4:03 Caller Hey, Adam, did you ever help Drew's kids out with their treehouse?

4:06 Adam Yeah, I built them a three-level treehouse.

4:08 Drew Thank you for asking. My brother was bugging me about that tonight. Please, I keep going home. I tell you, well, he hasn't said yes and he hasn't said no, Paulina. Oh, please, please, please, get him to answer tonight first thing.

4:22 Adam Please, please, please.

4:25 Drew What's it going to be?

4:26 Adam Am I going to come to your house and build a treehouse?

4:30 Drew So she has it.

4:32 Adam No.

4:33 Drew Maybe you can, okay, no, that's the first time you've said that.

4:37 Adam Yeah. No, I'm literally a millionaire. What would be in it for me to go to your house and build a treehouse?

4:43 Drew Maybe some comments.

4:45 Caller Do a mansion segment out of it? No.

4:49 Adam Karma. Karma what? I should help rich white kids? That's my lot in life?

4:54 Drew Oh, and all the kids, they're all covered with poison oak now, mucking around over there where they went to the treehouse.

4:58 Adam There you go. That's karma. That's karma. Jeff?

5:02 Caller Yeah, my question is, my girlfriend broke up with me about a month ago and I can't stop thinking about her having sex with other guys.

5:10 Adam Yeah, I know.

5:11 Drew How old is she?

5:12 Caller How old is she?

5:13 Drew Yeah. Was this your first girlfriend?

5:16 Caller No, I've had probably three serious girlfriends.

5:19 Adam These are the thoughts you have at twenty-five.

5:21 Drew Isn't it a little bit late to be doing that still?

5:23 Adam And Jeff, I feel bad because I nailed her too. But what can you say other than there's certain things in life that are inherently painful, especially for guys, and this is one of them.

5:37 Drew They torture themselves with this.

5:39 Caller I can't stop thinking about it.

5:40 Adam We do, and every guy has done this, and kill yourself before then, or it will go away if you kill yourself.

5:47 Drew Are you having any contact with her?

5:49 Yeah, yeah, we still talk.

5:50 Drew That mistake.

5:51 Caller We still see each other.

5:52 Drew No, no, no. Stop that. Stop that. That's where the torture is coming from.

5:55 Caller Okay.

5:55 Drew Start seeing other people. Maybe in six months you can get back and have a friendship with her, but not right now.

6:00 Caller Okay.

6:01 Adam You're trying to rekindle things?

6:04 Drew Yes, of course.

6:05 Caller Of course.

6:06 Drew In the meantime, you torture yourself.

6:07 Adam And are you asking her for information in the meantime?

6:11 Caller No, I'm trying to be good about that instead.

6:13 Drew Yeah, imagine the bit.

6:14 Adam How do you know what she's doing?

6:16 Caller I don't.

6:16 Drew Instead, there's just a balloon over his head with these pictures, these crazy fantasies.

6:20 Caller She's probably not doing anything.

6:22 Drew Yeah, that's the point.

6:23 Adam Well, why do you think she's doing something if she's probably not doing anything?

6:27 Caller I don't know. I'm kind of jealous to begin with. I was jealous during our relationship because I always thought she's a lot hotter than I was. Yeah. So now I think she's going out with all these hot guys and having sex with them and so. Okay.

6:37 Drew Jeff?

6:37 Adam Yeah. You've got to get over it. You've got to move forward. I'm not saying you don't have to be uncomfortable or in some degree of pain, but you can't keep going back to it.

6:47 Drew He needs to bring up his number, don't you think?

6:49 Adam Yes. Yes, guys. What do you do for a living?

6:54 Caller I'm a student.

6:56 Adam Really? You're 25?

6:58 Caller I know. That was one of our issues, actually.

7:01 Adam Okay. You just plug away, make some money, get a career, get a life, get that laser surgery, and lose those glasses.

7:10 Caller It's expensive.

7:12 Adam You got glasses, all right?

7:13 Caller Yes, sir.

7:14 Adam Yeah. You've got to lose them. Chicks don't like those glasses. Chicks like guys who wear glasses who don't need to wear glasses, but they don't like guys who wear glasses who have to wear glasses.

7:24 Drew Can't have been wearing them since we were eight.

7:26 Adam Calling all nerds. I could tell by the guy's voice that he wore glasses. What percentage of 25-year-old males wear glasses?

7:35 Drew 20.

7:36 Adam 20?

7:36 Drew 15.

7:37 Adam All right.

7:38 Drew Okay. We'll leave it at that.

7:41 Adam Lauren?

7:42 Yeah.

7:42 Adam You're 27?

7:43 Caller Yeah. Hi, guys. Hey. Here's my question. My mom has a pretty long history of drug abuse, mostly speed, actually mostly heroin, but some speed too. I think she's using again, and I don't live in the same city. I live in San Francisco. She lives in San Diego, and I have three little brothers and sisters at home.

8:02 Drew With her?

8:02 Caller I think she's using again. How can I tell, and what should I do?

8:07 Drew The probability is if you think she's using again, she's using. Is she going to meetings? Is she actively involved in a recovery?

8:12 Caller She was doing this methadone program.

8:14 Drew No, no, no, no, no, no.

8:15 Caller That's the only thing.

8:16 Drew That's a waste of time. That's just switching from one drug to another.

8:19 Caller Yeah.

8:19 Drew And now she's off the methadone?

8:21 Caller I don't know. I don't know.

8:22 Drew Yeah, maybe she's getting so much methadone, she seems loaded, which is another way people...

8:26 Caller Well, she's different than when she was on heroin and methadone.

8:29 She's like speedier.

8:30 Caller Like when she was on heroin, she just like locked herself in her room and slept all the time.

8:35 Drew So you think she's back on stimulants again?

8:37 Caller Yeah, I do.

8:38 Drew Yeah, if she's not engaged in treatment, she's going to relapse. It's really very simple.

8:42 Caller So what should I do?

8:43 Drew Has she ever been in recovery before?

8:45 Caller No.

8:46 Adam How old are these brothers and sisters of yours?

8:49 Caller One sister is 9, one brother is 11. He has autism, actually, and he's a 15 year old sister.

8:56 Drew Maybe we have to hold her until we get the legal guys in here to talk about whether or not there can be leverage applied to require her to get some treatment or actively engage in treatment unless her kids can be taken away from her.

9:06 Adam I'd also like to talk a lot to speak to our law enforcement people about the legality of putting hits on delinquent people. We'll talk about it. The black shirt squad, the guys who wear their hats backwards, just take out people.

9:22 Drew I thought they were going to wear Panama hats.

9:25 Adam I originally had them in Hawaiian shirts, wraparound sunglasses, and those pork pie hats, but too noticeable. I look like goons from the 60s. I'm now putting them in black shirts and turning their hats backwards.

9:41 Drew So Lauren, she's probably doing something. If she needs to be in treatment, if she's never been in treatment, it's ridiculous to be monkeying around their kids' lives and swaying the balance here.

9:49 Caller I know.

9:51 Drew Where are their dads?

9:53 Caller She had six kids with four different guys.

9:55 Adam No, see, we should have got the hit squad out earlier, right after you were born.

9:59 Caller They're all over the place.

10:01 Drew Can you get... I mean...

10:03 Caller They've all got their own problems too.

10:05 Drew The dads, they're all addicts too.

10:06 Caller Yeah.

10:08 Adam Six kids, huh? Are you the oldest?

10:10 Caller I'm the second oldest.

10:12 Adam You sound pretty sane.

10:14 I'm okay.

10:16 Drew Just to work at it.

10:18 Caller Oh, no, I think I turned out pretty normal, but...

10:20 Adam Okay.

10:21 Caller Yeah.

10:22 Drew All right.

10:23 Caller What should I do?

10:24 Drew How did you turn out normal with that kind of background? What did you do? What's the magic?

10:28 Caller I don't know. I went to college and got a job. And I think it was like I never... I saw what was happening to her and I knew I didn't want that. It was like it wasn't an option for me to do that, you know, basically.

10:41 Caller So I didn't...

10:42 Drew Didn't inherit the gene.

10:44 Caller I guess.

10:44 Adam Right. All right. Well, now, what does she do or who does she call? Maybe we should put you on hold.

10:51 Drew Hold on for a second. We'll talk about what solutions you can get into, all right? Thank you.

10:54 Adam All right.

10:55 Drew Well, she's out with the Child Protective Services. This is where to go.

10:58 Adam You think so?

10:58 Drew Yeah.

10:59 Adam The autistic kid, you think he knows? Is it better to be somewhat retarded when you've got a retarded parent?

11:07 Drew Well, now you're going to get a billion calls of people saying autism is not retardation and those autistic kids are actually quite bright.

11:15 Adam Well, let me explain my thing with retardism. It's an umbrella that covers most of society. I put a lot of people fall under that umbrella. Everyone who calls the show, most people listen. Liz, you're 19, what's up?

11:31 Caller I keep getting my menstrual cycle like twice a month. And, functionally, I'll get my menstrual cycle after I have sex.

11:36 Drew How long have you had this for?

11:38 Caller I started having sex when I was 16.

11:40 Drew How long have you been having the irregular periods?

11:42 Caller About the past four or five months.

11:45 Drew Are you overweight?

11:46 Caller I'm average weight.

11:48 Drew You're average weight?

11:49 Caller Yeah, I'm like, if people say I'm not overweight, to me, I think I am.

11:54 Drew How much are you overweight, you think?

11:56 Caller I might say maybe about 20, 30 pounds.

11:58 Drew Sometimes for some people, that's enough to affect the period.

12:01 Caller Not like where the weight should be, it's like more in the bust area.

12:04 Oh, nothing wrong with that.

12:07 Caller It's like the waist is like a 34, the bust is like a 42E.

12:10 Bouncy, bouncy.

12:13 Adam 34.

12:14 Caller It's like 42E, 34. I don't think I'm like super fat, and people, I get complimented all the time. I'm not sure, it's just quick.

12:23 Drew How much do you actually weigh?

12:24 Adam What kind of compliments? Like, hey, you're not super fat?

12:28 Caller Like, my friend Jeff and I, we're like intimate together, and he tells me, no, you're not fat. You have nothing to worry about.

12:33 Drew He's what? What together?

12:35 Caller Intimate.

12:36 Adam Intimate.

12:37 Drew Intimate together.

12:38 Adam And he tells you you're not. Yeah, but if you have someone tell you you're not fat more than three times a year, you may be fat. No one ever tells non-fat people they're not fat.

12:48 Drew How much do you actually weigh?

12:50 Caller As I know, when I was in jail, it was about, they weighed me as one, like, 60.

12:56 Drew One sixty?

12:56 Caller Five, six.

12:57 Drew Did she just slip something in about being in jail?

12:59 Adam When she was in jail.

13:01 Drew I thought so.

13:01 Adam And when they weigh you in jail, do you get on a scale or do you get on one of those, like, fishing scales that they hang you from? They get it on a scale.

13:09 Caller All right.

13:10 Drew Liz, do you want any medication?

13:12 No.

13:13 Caller I'm actually in and out of the hospital because I haven't had enough breathing. And I have only seen, like, medically wrong with me that I know of. It's my theraglastic duct cyst.

13:23 Drew Thyaglastic duct cyst. You have a little cyst in the middle of your neck.

13:26 Caller Correct. I've had that since the birth of that.

13:27 Drew And that's why you haven't had trouble breathing?

13:29 Caller Yes. And on my way down, I have, like, 12 breathing symptoms.

13:32 Drew Were you, when they put you in the hospital for that?

13:34 Caller They put me in the hospital if she stopped breathing when I was in jail. And that's when I found out I had it.

13:39 Drew Because you had something very wrong.

13:41 Adam Lesbian trying to smother you with a pillow or because of the problem?

13:44 Caller No, if that was the case, my girlfriend would be doing that, but...

13:46 Caller Your girlfriend, who?

13:48 Drew Wait, what?

13:49 She throws this stuff out.

13:50 Yeah.

13:52 Adam What were you in jail for?

13:54 Caller I actually had a fugitive warrant I didn't know about.

13:57 Adam Oh, alright. Some people are born into fugitive warrants. I remember my cousin was born with one. He wasn't aware of it. One day there he was.

14:05 Drew He had it out for generations.

14:06 Adam Yeah, he was walking on the campus of Harvard and he was brought down by patrolmen.

14:11 Caller I put me through stress because I had been in and out of trouble. I actually just got them to a court date I actually had for a bench trial that I had taken care of. But that's been taken care of. That was before my irregular benchal cycle.

14:26 Adam How did you get the fugitive warrant?

14:28 Caller I was being charged for a burglary and being told I was told to use shampoo, makeup and condoms.

14:37 Drew Okay, okay, well, that's a good time.

14:40 Adam How is it, how is it ever when we talked, it was in prison, was there, I stole half a Pepsi from a guy, from a junkie who had passed out after he had molested somebody.

14:52 Drew You told me to draw myself.

14:53 Adam Six years they gave it. And no priors? No, totally clean.

14:58 Caller You are found guilty as charged.

14:59 Adam Didn't even sip the Pepsi and it was warm and flat. Wow, really, six years, no priors, on the honor roll. Geez, really, is the system that effed up? People have fugitive warrants, they are not aware of, they still steal a little lip gloss and they are doing hard time. It always makes me think that maybe they are leaving a little something out of the store.

15:20 Drew Oh, yes. People do not have something called insight. Okay. But listen, Liz, the weight can definitely do it. Changes in your appetite, your activity levels, even your sleep, your stress levels, medication obviously we talked about, all this can cause irregular periods. And having after sex is not an uncommon thing at all.

15:38 Caller Okay, but it's been happening a lot lately.

15:40 Drew I know. So you got to get checked out, make sure there is not ovarian cyst or endometriosis or a polyp or something.

15:46 Caller I also have another question. I'm sorry, but this might seem a little weird, but for the past, like when I've been like in and out of relationships since I broke up with Max Beyoncé, I've been actually, I don't know, maybe just me. The only way I can actually get turned on before sex is me going down on my partner. There's a reason why that could be.

16:04 Adam Your partner, a male or female?

16:07 Caller A male.

16:08 Adam Oh, all right. That's just you. That's fine.

16:13 Caller Does that be wrong with you?

16:14 Adam No, no. You've got bigger fish to fry than that. Hey, no more kids, right?

16:19 Caller I have none.

16:20 Adam Yeah, baby.

16:21 Caller That's all I've been like trying.

16:23 Caller Why?

16:24 Caller I was actually trying for like, about four, almost a year and a half in the past like four months before I broke up with my fiance, it was like nothing.

16:31 Drew Make a pledge right now you're not going to have any kids till you're 28. Pledge to Adam. Hand over your heart.

16:39 Adam You know what side that's on?

16:40 Caller Yes.

16:42 Drew Pledge to Adam, no kids.

16:43 Caller But I want a family and everything.

16:45 Drew That's fine, you can have one after 28, okay?

16:48 Adam Listen, you look at the penal system as your family, okay? Don't worry about those kids. Alright, screwball, and you know, you stay out of trouble, you're costing me too much goddamn money, do you hear me? All you idiots, you all owe me money. That's the way I look at it. Jesus Christ, I've really figured out that about 3% of this society is raping the rest of society monetarily. We're all paying for you, just a couple of you screwballs out there.

17:18 Drew No, but it's, see, you're in that 3%, Adam, of people that have millions of dollars. You're in that 1%, so you are obliged to pay for that other 3%.

17:26 Adam Yeah.

17:27 Drew My boyfriend, literally a millionaire. Yes, yes, you're literally a millionaire, you're my boyfriend, and you owe it to that percentage that is not as privileged as you.

17:36 Adam That's right.

17:37 Drew Growing up with that silver spoon.

17:39 Adam Where do I get off? Yeah, not having kids and socking away money. What gives me the right? Andrew? Yes. You're 15?

17:49 Caller What's up?

17:50 Well, like, you remember high school right, Adam?

17:53 Adam Yes.

17:53 Like, the second semester, sometimes your class gets changed, all right? Like, I get changed, and boom, there's this Asian chick. Like, I don't know, I have a thing for Asian chicks. There's something about them. Like, the way they act, the way they look, like everything. And like, I've had a thing forever since. But then I find out my friend has this thing for this Asian chick, too, the same exact one. So I be quiet about it, and then we start becoming real good friends. And like, my feelings keep getting stronger and stronger. And I mean, yeah. And like...

18:21 Drew I don't think you owe your friend anything unless he's actually going out with her, is he?

18:24 Caller Well, he wanted to.

18:26 Drew Yeah, but he's not. So you're there first, and you both like her, and she likes you, it sounds like.

18:30 It was a long time ago, and now like things have gone through, and she went out with another one of my friends, and like they had a little bit of a relationship, and I don't know what's going on.

18:40 Drew Alright, what's going on is she has another boyfriend.

18:42 No, she doesn't, I'm sure she doesn't.

18:44 Drew Well, I thought you said one of your friends is the one she has a relationship with now.

18:47 That was before, now they're broken up again.

18:49 Adam And you see, Anson...

18:50 Drew So why don't you ask her out for you to hang out with her?

18:54 Adam What are you, what's your nationality?

18:55 I'm white.

18:56 Adam Oh yeah, that's fine. The Asians don't like other cultures that much at all. The parents, they're the most racist set up in the world.

19:05 Drew Well, no, no, it depends which...

19:07 Adam Yeah, well, I'm racist so I look at them as all one.

19:09 Drew I see, I see.

19:10 Adam I don't see the difference between Japanese, Chinese or Filipino. It's all just one big Asian to me.

19:16 At least she likes me to some extent. It's just she always does something that contradicts it.

19:20 Drew Like what?

19:21 Well, like today we were talking on the phone and like, well, if she hears me saying that she doesn't know, it's me on the radio, but like we were talking on the phone and she was like, yeah, so how long have you liked me? And I told her and then she was like, I used to like your friend and then she was like, so why did you say you liked her? And I was like, well, I was afraid to tell you because I didn't know you wanted to be my friend. It was kind of like a secret. And she's like, oh yeah, I'm like having that right now.

19:47 Adam Hey, hey, Andrew?

19:48 Yeah, what's up?

19:49 Adam This ain't Tiger Beat Hotline, you understand? We got fish to fry, you understand? There are people out there that have been raped and molested.

19:57 Drew We got a DA coming in and an officer.

19:59 Adam We got a, yes, I'm going to have him run a check on me. I could have some warrants out there and be going downtown.

20:06 So how do I know if she feels sorry?

20:07 Adam Oh, who cares? You just ask her out, would you, sir?

20:10 Drew Yeah, if you're that sort of insecure, she's not going to go for it.

20:17 Caller No.

20:18 Adam Let me tell you one thing chicks can't stand. They can't stand the spaz factor. They do not like spazzy guys.

20:24 Drew Yeah, spaz and desperation go hand in hand. Oh. They hate that crap.

20:29 Adam I'll tell you, I watch this Real World on MTV.

20:31 Drew Yeah?

20:32 Adam I love these shows. Really? And there's this hot blonde chick who's like 21, 22, and she's living in the Real World house. And there's this sort of blonde frat guy who lives in the house with her. And she's really, she's got a crush on this guy. And mostly because he has a girlfriend back home and won't budge. And in the meantime, she meets some good looking, tall, dark, handsome guy who's into her and wants to take her out. So he takes her out on a date or two, but she has no interest in this guy.

21:05 Drew Because he's into her.

21:06 Adam Because he's into her, yes. So women are very, especially young women, are very diabolical that way. So then you have a catch 22. How do you express to someone you're into them without letting them think you're too into them? It's a very fine line. The guys who score, the guys who get laid, are the guys who are able to express limited interest in a girl.

21:30 Drew It's sort of a direct kind of presence.

21:33 Adam How can I put you on notice that I'm interested in you without you thinking I'm too interested in you? And it always ends up, you know the guys who get laid all the time, here's how it ends up coming across, yeah, I'll take you. It's like when your dad gives you his car, it's not exactly what I wanted but I'll drive to school. Do you know what I mean? Better than walking. There has to be that element. And when you're spazzing, you're desperate, you know, it ain't going to work. So I don't know what that advice is, guys. You have to kind of find that balance but please do it. And remember, the more you like them and the more you show you like them, oftentimes the less they like you. Very sad. Okay, we're going to take ourselves a break and when we come back, please, please, please.

22:23 Caller No.

22:25 Adam We're going to bring in a deputy district attorney from Los Angeles and a law enforcement officer to tell us all about a lot of the laws that are on the books and a lot of ways to handle a lot of the questions that we get involving sometimes rape and date rape and molestation and all things like that and things involving the Internet. All this stuff pertains to the legal world that we don't have answers to. We are going to attempt to answer tonight right after this. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. I was just regaling the officers about the time I drove off a tow truck in a $45,000 sports car that was in full tilt, by the way. And if the guy who tried to tow me is listening, kiss my hairy ass, you prick. You got nothing, nothing, you jackass. Thank you. Eva Jabber is our guest, and so is Christopher Cognac. Eva is a deputy district attorney of Los Angeles, and Christopher is a police officer with many years' experience and quite a resume here, by the way, which is literally in front of me. Domestic terrorism.

23:48 Drew I want to know what the Delinquency Control Institute is.

23:51 Guest That's a program at the University of Southern California.

23:54 Drew How do you control delinquency?

23:56 Guest Well, it's not specifically for delinquency control. It's been around since the early...

24:01 Drew Why would I think that with anything called the Delinquency Control Institute? You don't dare me.

24:04 Guest It's a program at USC that deals with juvenile justice. A lot of people go there. It's pretty intensive, upper level, like a master's level program. You have to write papers, take tests, do oral interviews. It's just a good way to experience the juvenile justice system to rethink and get new ideas about prosecution and different ways to handle crime for juvenile behavior.

24:30 Drew Any sort of take home theories of yours? What's wrong with our system? Why do we have so many messed up kids?

24:38 Guest What's wrong with the system? That's a big question there, Drew.

24:41 Drew Well, I thought maybe you walked away with some sort of thematic idea of your own.

24:46 Guest It's all rehabilitation versus incarceration. It's the age-old argument. You have to give a little bit of both. You can tell them not to do it one time and then the next time they need to go and do some time.

24:59 Adam Right, and Eva over here. Eva, now, what does your day consist of?

25:05 Guest Well, I'm a child sexual assault prosecutor, so I work with detectives like Detective Cognac and they bring us a case. We look at an initial report and if we think that we need to do an interview with the victim, we have them come in and once we have interviewed the victim, if we feel there's enough to file a case, we file it and take it up through the system.

25:30 Adam And is it, we were talking off the air that there were some interesting things to do if you had been victimized or thought you were raped or had a case and there's some do's and don'ts. For instance, we're talking about confronting the person that may or may not have done this to you and so forth. Could you guys shed a little light on that?

25:52 Guest Sure.

25:52 Guest That'd be more along my lines. A lot of times, we only get one shot to catch somebody. Sometimes there's no physical evidence. The crime will occur.

26:03 Drew Let's let him do it in the context of a call because there's a call about this kind of thing. So you take this. This is Mike. He is 16. Mike?

26:12 Caller Yeah. My friend was raped a couple of months ago, well actually a week or two ago. And she, her boyfriend just disappeared and nobody like, I mean like.

26:23 Drew He the one that did it?

26:24 Caller Oh yeah, he did. And it was sort of like a date rape, but he locked her in a closet and like just sexually assaulted her. He beat her until she actually just gave in.

26:35 Drew And they were not, hadn't previously been sexually active? Two of them?

26:39 Caller Yeah, her dad raped her I think when she was like eight or nine.

26:43 Drew There you go.

26:44 Adam Well, well let me ask the audience. I'm just calling the officers for just, it's faster. But if somebody, how much bearing does it have? I know you're talking about a dad, but how much, if you're, if you've never had sex with the person and they raped you as opposed to a date rape or a relationship rape situation, you had sex, been with the person for a number of years and then had sex. Is it harder to prosecute a case like that?

27:10 Guest You know, it is, it can be more difficult to prosecute a date rape situation because there are so many biases in society about if you've had sex with somebody before, you can't be raped, if you're married to somebody, the spouse cannot rape you and that's, it's not true.

27:26 Drew This is Adam, this is your question about rape versus violent rape.

27:31 Adam Right. Well, what I mean is, what I mean is, is it a taller order for you guys to win a case like that, that someone who's had prior relations with somebody, for instance?

27:45 Guest Well, if you, there are two different issues. If somebody's never had sex before and they're raped, let's say by a stranger or if it's a date rape situation, you may have more evidence because you do a sexual assault exam and there may be medical evidence and if she says she's never had intercourse before, you have evidence which will help you out. It can be harder to prosecute rapes where, let's say, a boyfriend raped a girlfriend, but we still encourage those people to come forward and call the police because that's rape just like stranger rape. It's the same thing.

28:17 Drew We're often telling people to go ahead and file a report so they sort of compile a record for these perpetrators. Is that something that really happens? Or is it such a hassle for these young women to go through this? I mean, in other words, is that a painful process? Just to not intend to prosecute it, but at least just to create a record? That important thing?

28:36 Guest Well, if somebody comes in and makes a rape report, it's going to be investigated. And unfortunately, the investigations tend to be rather lengthy, and we have to get statements from everybody involved. We're obligated to...

28:48 Drew They can't make a report. Just go, I don't want to do anything. I just want to file a report.

28:52 Guest I mean, you can file a report, but I'll have to do an interview with that person, and then I'll have to bring it to somebody like Eva and run it by the district attorney's office.

29:00 Adam Hey, Drew. Remember about two weeks ago we had a law officer call up and say that you just filed a report, and I kept saying over and over again, how can you just file a report without something being followed up?

29:14 Drew It was from Idaho, right?

29:15 Adam And I said it five times, and you kept saying, oh, well, apparently you can't.

29:20 Drew Yeah, the guy was saying that.

29:21 Adam And then I said, well, what if I said somebody tried to murder me? Wouldn't you be obliged and obligated to go after this person, even if I said I just want to get it on record? And what would stop people from getting things on record that never happened? And you two idiots both said, no, no, no.

29:37 Drew Well, no, this guy went on to talk about how that happens all the time.

29:39 Adam Oh, we should never listen to anyone who calls this show. I realized that I have no, you know, I know nothing about law enforcement other than trying to outrun the law. But still, that's, I guess, that's some knowledge of the system. That would outrun the law. But I still knew that that sounded wrong. That if you come in and you make a case or you file a report, it must be followed up on, right?

30:03 Guest Yeah, it has to be followed up on. And if you, in the jurisdiction that I cover, if Detective Cognac gets a case, for example, they're required to forward it to us. And we take a look at it. And that's where things have changed within the prosecution of these cases in the last few years and that we have really tried to make it less of a torturous experience for victims to come forward and report to us.

30:32 Drew Now Mike's girlfriend, Mike's friend is refusing to go for help to report this. Right. Right, Mike? Mike?

30:38 Caller Yeah.

30:39 Drew She's refusing to report this?

30:40 Caller Yeah, well, I've even gone, I've even tried and gone to her school and tried to tell the counselor and she just denies it and like her parents don't, they know about it but they won't give her any support because...

30:54 Drew So what can you do? So many of the people that are victimized are great victims. They're like professional victims and they don't have trouble breaking out of that.

31:03 Guest Unfortunately a lot of sexual assault victims feel deprived of some dignity and embarrassed and they feel kind of dirty. And so therefore they're reluctant to report the matter.

31:14 Drew Our callers, I feel like they deserve it. They actually, this is just the way they go through this repeatedly. The whole cycle they get involved with.

31:21 Guest Or they ask for it or if they've had sex with the person before then it couldn't have been rape.

31:26 Drew So how do you convince someone to, they're psychologically very rigidly fixed with these actions.

31:31 Adam Well they don't talk to people who aren't coming to them, do you? You wouldn't know if a person wasn't trying to file a report.

31:39 Drew They're both studying this process, I would think they'd be thinking about that stuff.

31:43 Guest Well and you'll have people who will report it on behalf of somebody and then the detective will go out and talk to the person.

31:49 Drew So this young man could go report it on her behalf?

31:52 Guest I don't know how it works in their state.

31:53 Drew He's in Arizona, he's in Arizona.

31:55 Guest Is that a minor, is the victim a minor?

31:56 Drew Yeah, both, he's a minor and she's a minor.

31:58 Guest Yeah, they can report it to the Department of Social Services and then the social services give all assaults, or tell these cases, they forward them as a, through mandated reporting, which means we, you know, checks and balances, go to the police department and then a detective will be assigned it. We'll most likely contact that person. Whether or not that person chooses to disclose that a crime occurred or not is up to them. And if they do disclose that a crime occurred, then a police investigation will be conducted in order to just return it.

32:28 Adam I would imagine that a fairly high percentage of people who did not want to come forward themselves, once they were contacted by somebody, and I don't mean 90 percent, but maybe 50 percent or 55 percent, become forthcoming. Yeah, once they were contacted by somebody with the sort of official capacity, might then go ahead and say something. That's true.

32:51 Guest That is true.

32:52 Adam So it's worth a shot. I mean, if your friend, your sister, your whoever, is being abused or raped or what have you, and is too scared or too paralyzed to go deal with it themselves, it is within your right to go talk to a law enforcement about it.

33:08 Guest Absolutely, and we, I think both, I can speak on behalf of both of us who deal with this every day, and I deal specifically with children, minors under 18, and I have to say that almost every victim that I've spoken to at the end of the interview has said, gosh, this just went so much better than I expected it to, and often their parents don't offer them appropriate support, that they're blamed by their peers, they're called a slut, the environment that they're in is so not conducive to them doing the right thing, which is to come forward, report it, you will be taken care of, you will be believed, it's very important to come forward.

33:46 Adam Okay, and so for young Mike over here, hey Mike? Yeah. So you told her counselor at school, right?

33:55 Caller Yeah, and she said that she'd talk to her, and the counselor called me at my house and said that she denies of any rape, and well, here's another thing, with the guy that she was going out with 17, and now he's 18, but during the time he was 17, I think there's like a law in Arizona, like if you're over 18, there's something that can be like put in like a, it'll be like a major felony or something like that, I heard that somewhere, I was just like, so.

34:25 Drew I think Officer Cognac was saying though that you should be still calling the Department of Social Services.

34:29 Caller Yeah, her, actually her grandma has done that also. I know her grandma because she lives like right next door to me. And I've even talked to Kate, that's her name, and she just won't go for any help.

34:45 Drew Okay, we got that part of the...

34:46 Adam Hey Mike?

34:47 Caller Yeah.

34:47 Adam Oh, what's, what, you gotta live your own life at a certain point. As much as I want to see justice done. You go on to the, you know, the grandma and the counselor and, you know, you've, you've alerted all the appropriate adults. I think now it's time, you know, this one's out of your hands now.

35:04 Drew I think Mike's a little interested in this.

35:06 Adam Mike, are you interested in Candy?

35:08 Caller Um, no, I got a girlfriend. I love her dearly. You do? Yeah, she's 16th, so, yeah.

35:14 Adam Your girlfriend?

35:15 Caller Yeah, she's 16th.

35:15 Adam How's your girlfriend like you prosecuting rape trials on the side?

35:20 Caller Um, well, she knows it, but me and her have known Candy for at least two or three years, and we're both really concerned about her too.

35:29 Adam Okay, well, you be there for her.

35:31 Caller Yeah, one more thing, Adam, you are a god.

35:33 Adam Well, that's true, that's true.

35:34 Drew See, that does not compute. Somebody thinks you're a god is running after rape victims? I can't quite get that.

35:41 Adam I would like that on my license to get me out of any moving violations.

35:45 Drew You are a god?

35:46 Adam Just god.

35:47 Drew Okay. Adam Corolla.

35:48 Adam Or I am god. I wouldn't be you. Just something that I could... What's the best way to get out of a ticket? I mean, let's just really... We can talk about rape and the cows come home, but practically I've grown out of that. I want to know about how to beat a ticket.

36:04 Guest There are several ways. Most of us appreciate just general honesty, because we're not going to write you a ticket for something stupid for the most part. I'm going to ask you why. You know why I pulled you over? They say, yeah, I'm sorry about that.

36:19 Adam You want that?

36:19 Guest A lot of the time, I'm not guaranteeing it, but hey, all right, don't do it again.

36:23 Adam Admission of guilt is good?

36:24 Guest Not necessarily admission of guilt, but acknowledgement. If you say, hey, I'm sorry, I ran the line, officer, I understand we appreciate the truth because we get lied to on a regular basis by everything. I mean, we've heard everything in the book.

36:35 Adam It's insulting to when you know the guy is lying.

36:37 Guest Yeah, and it's, you know, if I got you dead bang, I got you dead bang. OK, but if you say, oh, why did you put me over officer? Well, it'll be on this ticket. I'm going to give you right here, pal. Right here.

36:46 Adam So all right. So so be be up front and hands on the wheel. That's a little.

36:51 Guest Hands on the wheel. I gotta I gotta emphasize that. Let us see your hands on a traffic stop because bottom line is we don't know who you are. Well, you might have seen us around, but I mean, we get some really weird stuff going on. And here in LA., you've seen it all on TV, all these wild pursuits, all these chases. We don't know if you just killed somebody or if you're fleeing or anything like that. Just keep your hands on the wheel. And if you're going to make a movement, say, hey, officer, you know what? I'm going to go grab my wallet. And he'll say, OK, go ahead and do that or no. Just hold on a second.

37:22 Adam All right. So just comply to the point of saccharine sweet sort of compliance.

37:29 Drew My thing is always I have no excuses.

37:31 Adam Yeah, Drew is good. Drew, you could guilt them into not giving you a ticket.

37:35 Guest Right?

37:35 Drew Because if I if I'm violent, I probably know I'm doing it and I just have no excuses.

37:39 Guest All right.

37:39 Adam So kiss a kiss ass. And and the other thing is, is now what if you do get the ticket? You want to fight the ticket? Was there a decent technique for that?

37:48 Guest Well, your best bet is that it won't show up. Right.

37:50 Adam But do do officers get time and a half for showing up at these court things? That's what I hear.

37:56 Guest Well, we get paid overtime for excess hours worked over 40 hours. But the the general rule is traffic court is the lowest, the lowest level of court. We have superior court, federal court is the highest, and then we have multiple cases. So if you're writing a bunch of tickets in a day and then you have a criminal case, say a robbery at a superior court, then you have to miss all the traffic courts because superior court takes precedence over that. So anybody there, they win.

38:21 Adam And what if, they say if you fight a ticket, you forego your right to go to traffic school, or at least that's the way I heard. No? Untrue? I don't know. I don't know about that. They lead you to believe that if you're going to fight it, then you're going to sort of give up your traffic school angle on the whole thing. Can you go in, let's say you get a ticket, you go in, you decide to fight the ticket, you show up at court, the officer shows up at court, you don't win the case, but you say to the judge, alright, I lost, can I still go to traffic school?

38:54 Guest Generally, that does not happen. Usually, what I've seen in traffic court is the judges, whatever judge they may be, will say, okay, last chance, who wants to go to traffic school? And usually the guys whose cops showed up will raise their hands.

39:07 Adam Right.

39:08 Guest And then they'll get to go to traffic school.

39:09 Adam So it is true. Remember, once you decide to fight, once you decide to dispute the ticket, if you lose, you lose. You're not going to be able to sort of back out and go to traffic school at that point.

39:18 Guest Oh, you have to suffer whatever consequences of the ticket, yeah.

39:22 Adam Right. And if you lose, do you just pay what you would have paid for the ticket anyway or do you get more?

39:28 Guest I don't know. I haven't written a ticket in a long time.

39:29 Adam Good man. Good man. Good answer.

39:33 Drew Me like Chris.

39:35 Adam Yeah. All right. Yeah. We'll take ourselves a little break. We'll come back. We'll discuss a little more of the law in you and how it pertains to your sexuality and all that good stuff after this. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Eva Jabber is our guest tonight. She's a deputy district attorney of Los Angeles.

40:06 Drew Christopher Cognac, he's Captain Cheneal's nephew.

40:10 Adam That's right. He's a, you're a detective, right?

40:15 Guest Yes.

40:15 Adam And we oftentimes get calls about rape and abuse, and all sorts of things that are immoral and illegal. And we're not sure what steps to take in order to prosecute the people that need to be prosecuted in these situations. And tonight we brought some experts on to discuss it. So, do you want to take a call or do you want to get in more discussions?

40:41 Drew No, I'll take a call.

40:42 Adam Okay.

40:42 Drew Yeah, it will, yeah.

40:43 Adam We'll cover everything, though. Don't you worry. Carrie?

40:46 Caller Hi.

40:47 Adam You're 22?

40:48 Caller I am.

40:49 Adam What's up?

40:50 Caller I just actually called. I listen all the time and I get really mad at you for things that you say and...

40:57 Caller Drew?

40:59 Drew Go ahead, Carrie.

41:00 Caller Okay, sorry. But I always give up by the time that I actually get through. It's about you guys talking. You're talking to the officer when he first came on. He said that rehabilitating juvenile delinquents is about punishing them when they do something wrong the second time. I was kind of wondering how you have a deputy district attorney who specializes in representing sexual abuse victims on the air when an awful lot of the juvenile girls who are detained in the US are victims of sexual abuse and have been detained because of status offenses.

41:50 Drew Because of what?

41:51 Caller Status offenses.

41:52 Drew What does that mean?

41:57 Caller It means being promiscuous, being truant. A status offense is a crime that if a child commits it, like skipping school, is a crime.

42:09 Drew I see.

42:10 Caller But an adult, it's not illegal.

42:12 Drew Right, right, right.

42:13 Adam All right. So you think there's a large prison population made up of truant teenage girls?

42:20 Caller In detention centers.

42:22 Drew Yeah.

42:23 Caller Okay. An awful lot of the girls who are surveyed reported being victims of sexual abuse and they're being detained for having run away from home.

42:32 Adam Okay. Well, there's an interesting question. What about that question?

42:38 Guest Well, they have to report a crime in order for us to investigate it. That's the deal. As far as you're talking about status offenders, when somebody runs away and they're, you know, caught, they're generally returned home. If the home is unfit, they'll be taken to what's called a soda bed, which is a status offender.

43:00 Drew So what Carrie's reporting is not accurate?

43:03 Adam No, it is in the sense that most of these people, as we know for doing the show, everybody who runs away from their house has some form of abuse. But on the other hand, I don't know what the system is supposed to do if the people don't come forward and report the abuse. Now, I agree with Carrie, I think, in her assertion that they should understand that most of these people are probably abused in some way and perhaps try to set up a situation where they are able to coax that out of them or work that with them.

43:35 Drew No, but I think what Chris was pointing out, I don't know if it was your mouth, but that there are limits to rehabilitation and containment from a therapeutic standpoint is what really a lot of these people need. And containment sometimes means putting you in a structured environment.

43:48 Guest That's what they need.

43:48 Caller Yeah, but should they be contained or put in structure with people who are doing things like vandalism and...

43:54 Drew Well, that's what Chris was just addressing, whether or not that actually happens.

43:58 Caller Yeah.

43:59 Guest You're talking about a different thing. People that do vandalism don't generally go to a confined detention facility unless they have had multiple, multiple offenses.

44:08 Drew She's thinking that these one-way girls who are leaving because of abuse get thrown in the same bin with this.

44:13 Guest No, they do not. In Los Angeles County, and I believe most of the state of California, status offenders and criminal offenders are kept in separate facilities.

44:23 Adam All right, Carrie.

44:24 Caller Okay.

44:25 Adam What do you do for a living, Carrie?

44:27 Caller I'm an actor, isn't that right?

44:28 Adam Oh, stop it, would you? Just stop it.

44:31 Drew But you've had some victimization?

44:33 Caller No, actually.

44:34 Drew Really? Yeah.

44:35 Adam But if you're researching a role, I'm going to kill myself.

44:40 Caller I was a double major in drama and sociology in college and I studied family law and gender education.

44:44 Adam Well, you got the drama part right, sister. All right. Listen, all these screwball actors, start worrying about yourself and your crappy career. Stop worrying about everyone else. Oh, these actors are the worst.

44:55 Drew Where did that come from?

44:56 Adam Oh, these actors, they're not chaining themselves to a tree somewhere out in the Sequoias. They're worried about status offenders in Los Angeles. Just relax and focus on you not getting any jobs. Amy? Yeah. You're 21.

45:11 Drew I'm picking commercial reimbursement rights.

45:13 Adam Right, right. You worry about craft service. It's your next crappy gig. Stop worrying about status offenders. Amy?

45:20 Drew Yes.

45:21 Adam You're 21.

45:22 Caller Yeah, I was calling to ask the people you have on the show. Recently I was going to a therapist about some issues in my childhood, and I mentioned that I had had a sexual encounter with some of my younger siblings, and she said that she had to mandatorily report it, even though it happened when I was younger. And so I'm kind of concerned about the repercussions of what's going to happen now that this has been reported.

45:48 Drew Okay, hold on one second. We got to take a break.

45:50 Adam We got to take a break, Amy, but now you're 21 now, so this happened about ten years ago, right?

45:55 Caller Yeah.

45:56 Drew We can answer this. Can we not? Yes. This will be interesting.

45:59 Adam Okay, we'll get to your answer. I'm interested in hearing the answer, even though I won't be listening when it's actually getting out over the air.

46:05 Drew You're going to finally be high. Is Willie out back with his band waiting for you?

46:09 Adam Willie, I think Willie threw a roach the size of a Volkswagen out of his window. Willie Nelson was on the show last week. I want to go out in the parking lot and light it on fire, dance around it like a barn burning.

46:23 Willie will do the story.

46:25 Adam Alright, we'll be back after this. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Tonight, we're doing away with the country music stars and giving a little something back to the community. Eva Jabber's our guest tonight, one of our guests tonight. She's a deputy district, I can't say deputy district attorney for the life of me, in Los Angeles, and Christopher Cognac is a detective. Both these people specialize in... Well, tell us what you specialize in.

47:26 Guest I do child sexual assault prosecution, so if you are under eighteen and you've been the victim of rape, any kind of molestation, any kind of sexual touching, if somebody was exposed himself to you as you were walking down the street and you saw it happen, anything of a sexual nature, then you would be interviewed by me if you're within my jurisdiction.

47:47 Adam And Christopher?

47:49 Guest I basically investigate those types of things, as well as child abuse and crimes against children, as well as some things on the Internet, Internet crimes against children, sex, child pornography, child prostitution.

48:02 Adam Well, I'm guessing that's on the rise these days, huh?

48:07 Guest Child pornography or prostitution?

48:08 Adam The Internet variety. Yeah.

48:12 Guest Basically, pedophiles and people who like to have sex with children have moved from having to comb the parks to being able to comb the Internet. Right. Since most of our young teens seem to be very Internet and computer savvy, these people will go and impersonate themselves and try and make arrangements with young people.

48:31 Adam I like it when the cops impersonate the young, naive teens that are on the Internet hooking up with these guys. Have you ever been involved with that? That seems like a good time.

48:41 Guest Yes, yes. That's quite fun, especially when you bust them.

48:46 Adam Yeah. Is there a group of guys or experts at this who say, give them this answer, give them that answer?

48:56 Guest We have to follow certain procedures where we can't entrap people. We have to have people approach us.

49:01 Adam Right.

49:03 Guest There are a couple of guys that do it, Russ Temple and Nick Pepper from...

49:08 Adam No, their work, sure.

49:10 Guest Yeah, they're good detectives as well. The guy named Tom Asgridge. They're local people that I work with that are kind of internet gurus. We all work together. We have a little task force that we informally formed.

49:24 Adam Is the general consensus for pedophiles that these people is sort of an affliction that's a long-term thing? I mean, there's five years in the joint. It's not going to cure this. What about when you are in prison for pedophilia? What do they try to do? I mean, I know it's not... It's about what everyone's in for in prison. That's the part that's always curious. They always go, well, man, if you kill a cop, you're this status, but if you molested your granddaughter, what do they do? Do they have access to the records? How does everyone know what everyone's in for? If I ever go in the joint, I'm saying I'm in for blowing up a prison. I blew up the last prison I was in. That's why I'm in this one. Don't ask me how I got into that one. That was conspiracy to blow up a prison. But I mean, I'm going to give myself a good title so I'm not effed with. How does everyone find out what everyone's in for?

50:15 Guest They say that when you go to prison, it's like a whole different world. You're in a different city, the different rules apply. It's not like anything out in the real world. And, you know, you just, when you go in, the guards have their own sort of code that they conform to. The prisoners have their own code. There's a hierarchy within. And I think people just find out because everybody knows everybody else's business.

50:40 Adam Jesus.

50:41 Guest That's what we hear.

50:42 Guest Also from court appearances, you know, they'll take the bus to court and there'll be several defendants in the lockup. And if a person is being arraigned or criminally charged with something, there'll be several other inmates in there and they'll go back and gossip.

50:54 Adam What's the best thing to be in prison for? I mean, just in terms of not being abused by the prisoners. I'm just I'm trying to get my story straight in case the wheels come off the wagon here. Is there a good one? I mean, I know the worst. The worst is like a pedophile, right?

51:09 Guest The child molesters. The child molesters. They don't have a good time in prison.

51:12 Guest They're pretty much the lowest of the low. Right.

51:14 Adam That blew half the nursery school. Oh, please, Anderson. That was completely out of context. But who's in the penthouse of prisoners? What could one do to really get some status in the joint? Do you know what I'm saying?

51:26 Guest Well, there's status and there's an easy time. What do you want?

51:29 Adam Well, I'd like a little cachet and an easy time. What if I'm in the joint for killing a pedophile? That would work, right? That sounds like a pretty decent title to have in there. No answer out of either one of you. No help at all. I mean, you know what not to be, but not necessarily what to be. You know what I think of a nice one for me is going to be counterfeiting. That's a nice straight ahead one that people seem to respect. You know the counterfeiter guy? You don't have a problem with that guy, do you?

52:01 Drew Yeah.

52:02 Adam Okay.

52:02 Drew You need to start sounding like Sean Connery though. Pick up an accent.

52:06 Adam Yeah. All right.

52:08 Drew All right, Amy, we're back.

52:08 Adam Where were we?

52:09 Drew We were talking to Amy about this mandatory reporting of sexual abuse. Amy?

52:14 Adam Right. She's 21. She reported it to her therapist, right?

52:21 Drew Amy?

52:22 Adam Oh.

52:23 Drew Oh, God. Amy?

52:24 Adam Hello?

52:25 Drew There we are. You reported to your therapist some touching or some sexual abuse you had perpetrated upon your siblings a long time ago, right? Right. Ten years ago. And you're wondering now what's going to happen.

52:34 Guest Exactly.

52:34 Adam All right. Because they reported it, the therapist did.

52:37 Drew Therapist has to report this stuff.

52:39 Guest Well, there are a number of people, a number of professions that are mandated reporters. You have teachers, you have daycare workers, anybody who's involved with children on a daily basis, clergy, therapists.

52:51 Adam Clergy? I thought there was some sanctuary in the church in the past. You're not, not anymore?

52:58 Guest I think confessionals are a different situation than if you go and talk to clergy one on one. I don't know the details of it, but you have social workers, any health care professionals are all mandated reporters.

53:11 Drew What's going to happen to me?

53:15 Guest When you have a crime that's been reported, then it starts to be investigated by local law enforcement.

53:21 Drew In my experience, what happens is this kind of thing, if they send someone out from DPSS or social services, and they file a lengthy report, they look into it, they acknowledge that the person is in treatment, and nothing much ever seems to come of it after that, in my experience.

53:37 Caller So even when it's a ten year old thing?

53:41 Drew We especially when it's a ten year old thing.

53:43 Guest How old were you when this happened?

53:45 Drew I was 11.

53:46 Caller She was 11.

53:48 Drew And this is someone in treatment who's not perpetrating anything currently.

53:51 Adam Sure, what are you, her attorney?

53:52 Drew No, I'm just saying, I think this is the way that, because the DPSS caseloads are massive, and they have stuff that's being underway in their face, and this one sort of goes...

54:03 Guest Well, if it comes first to local law enforcement attention, then you can what's called cross-report to DCFS, which is where they'll go into the home and make sure that any minors in the home are safe. But if it's a criminal offense, then usually it's brought to law enforcement attention, and at that point, between law enforcement and the district attorney's office, there are decisions that are made as to filing.

54:25 Drew Right, well, but Amy's asking what's going to happen to her.

54:28 Guest She was 11 when this occurred, correct? Right, that's right. Well, generally 11 is a little bit young as far as criminal prosecution. Every circumstance is different, but it depends on what the acts were, and her age would play a factor at the time.

54:41 Drew It doesn't also be a fact that she's now engaged in treatment and remorseful and not anymore.

54:46 Adam Well, not the part where they investigate it, though. I mean, they don't know what she's doing.

54:51 Drew In my experience, where they put these cases in terms of priority in their caseload, these get way down the line.

54:56 Adam Let's help Amy sleep tonight.

54:58 Drew I think Amy will be sort of, it will be investigated, but it will not be prosecuted, I would bet.

55:05 Guest I don't deal with juvenile offenders, so Chris would be if...

55:09 Guest I wouldn't foresee a prosecution unless there is some type of pattern that has gone over a long time.

55:13 Drew That's right.

55:13 Adam I mean basically what we're saying is there's many cases to be investigated. This is not a high priority when something happened ten years ago that was perpetrated by a juvenile.

55:24 Guest By an 11 year old, correct? Right.

55:26 Drew Someone who is currently in treatment and not as an adult back in anymore.

55:29 Adam So yes, it must be documented but it is far back on the burner as far as things to do. Probably be done, probably middle of next week.

55:39 Drew On the other hand, if you were not actively engaged in treatment and there were some suspicions on the part of therapists, they could very quickly...

55:47 Adam Well, if she wasn't in treatment, she would have gotten busted in the first place. I mean, you got to look at it that way, Drew.

55:51 Drew That's nice.

55:52 Adam Let's face it, who's she telling if she's not in treatment? Robert?

55:56 Yeah.

55:56 Adam Year 17? Yeah. What's up?

56:01 I actually have two questions. My first one is that I'm going out with a 28-year-old.

56:08 Drew You're 17?

56:09 Caller Yeah.

56:11 And my mom's starting to find out about it. And she told me at the beginning, she goes, because I have a funny feeling about this. And if you're lying to me about it, and she's older than you are, then she's going to go to jail.

56:25 Drew Are you having sex with her?

56:27 Yeah.

56:27 Caller Okay.

56:28 Adam I know. And what are the statutory rape laws in Idaho? I mean, you're 17, she's 28.

56:36 Caller The age is 16 and older, and if your parents know about it, then it's okay in Idaho. But if you're 18 and you're a girl, or if you're 17 or younger and you're a girl, then you can't go out with anyone 18 or older.

56:53 Drew That's perfectly clear now.

56:54 Adam Are you pretty long, Robert? What? What? Marcus Welby over here. Jesus Christ. I mean, Ironside. Holy Christ. I'm now more confused. Is there trouble or not? Is this illegal or not?

57:11 Caller Well, if the parents don't agree with it, then it is illegal.

57:17 Drew Well, these things are essentially, well, often initiated by the parents.

57:20 Adam Well, when are you going to be 18?

57:24 Caller In seven months.

57:26 Drew Yeah, but it's too late. I mean, mom's already...

57:28 Adam Right.

57:28 Caller All right.

57:29 Adam So you think your mom is going to call the cops here? Yeah, you do.

57:33 Drew Can she? What will happen?

57:36 Guest Well, in Idaho, I can't say, but in California, the age of consent is 18.

57:41 Drew Well, they've got a three-year window, though, here in the state. If you're within three years of the...

57:46 Guest Well, that makes it a felony versus a misdemeanor. But if you are having sex and you're under the age of 18 and the person you're having sex with is over 18, whether it's a man or a woman, it's a criminal offense.

57:58 Caller A misdemeanor.

58:01 Guest A felony versus a misdemeanor depends on the age.

58:03 Drew Because there's a three-year... We've been told over and over there's this three-year window. If there's someone who's within three years of the younger person, they're still okay.

58:11 Guest It's more district attorney policy that goes into policy as opposed to what the law is. If you're under 14, there are certain laws which apply. If you're 14 or 15 and the perpetrator is not more than ten years older, then certain laws apply. If you're 17 and you're a girl and the guy is 19, it'll be a misdemeanor. When you get to 17 and 28, you're looking at felony conduct.

58:41 Adam Even if the woman is the 28-year-old?

58:43 Guest Even if the woman is the 28-year-old.

58:44 Adam Would it not be worse if the 28-year-old was a male and the 17-year-old is a woman?

58:50 Guest I think that's what we normally see as the older guy. But I mean 17 is 17 and male or female, you're still vulnerable.

59:00 Drew How about if it's two 15-year-olds?

59:03 Adam Well that equals 30, so that would be enough.

59:05 Guest That is dealt with at the juvenile level, which actually I don't know anything about.

59:09 Adam Hey Robert? Yeah? Can you first off tell your mom you broke up? Can you do that?

59:15 Caller Yeah.

59:16 Adam And have you told her you've had sex with her?

59:20 Caller No, my brother-in-law did.

59:22 Drew Oh, that's nice.

59:23 Adam Let's see what you get for bragging.

59:25 Caller No, he walked in on us.

59:27 Adam See what you get for screwing? Okay, tell your mom you're breaking up with her. And why don't you break up with her? She's obviously a troubled person. She's dating a 17 year old. I know you're the 17 year old and you think she's a genius, but I'm telling you she's got trouble. What?

59:44 Caller I told her I was 19.

59:46 Adam Okay. Well that's another thing. How does that hold up in court? Is that an excuse? Does that work?

59:55 Guest Well, it actually is a defense if you can prove it. If you can prove it.

1:00:00 Adam Well, what if the person just corroborates? They just go, well, yeah, I told them I was 19.

1:00:07 Guest Then usually it can be a defense. If the person looks obviously like they're 13, then you can go in with circumstantial evidence and say there's no way anybody could have thought that you were 19.

1:00:17 Adam Well, I'm guessing Robert has one of those bad teenage mustaches. Robert, is that true? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know what a guy physically, or what a perp, as I call him, looks like when he's engaging in certain behaviors. I'll tell you, if you guys want me to just ride around with you and tell you who to bust, I can do that. I know the troublemaker.

1:00:39 Guest Anytime, Adam.

1:00:41 Adam Picture this guy with the mullet and the bad teenage mustache.

1:00:45 Drew There's a man show bit here. I see it.

1:00:46 Adam Oh, my God. All right. So, what is our ultimate advice to a young Robert? Break up. Break up?

1:00:53 Drew Yes.

1:00:54 Adam All right. Break up and at least tell your mom you've broken things off with this troubled person, this old divorcee. We know her situation, too.

1:01:03 Drew Yes. Recently, a bad marriage with an abusive husband.

1:01:05 Adam Right. And now, what's wrong? Why don't we just go ahead and standardize the age of consent here? I mean, what's up?

1:01:14 Drew With the gradations?

1:01:15 Adam Yeah. I mean, we have to pull out a goddamn ant. Let's try to figure out, you know, who does what where and what the laws are in this particular province and state. I mean, why is there...

1:01:27 Drew The American way.

1:01:28 Adam Hawaii is all screwed up. If they just come up, somebody would just say... I mean, Hawaii is different than Oregon, for instance, and nothing is based on anything logical. And some are amazing. I mean, some are sort of offensive when you hear about what the ages of consent are. Yeah. And if the person is over 17 and hoven, then it's like another thing. What's going on here? We can't just agree that, you know, 18 is kind of the cutoff point. And just everyone just sit down and agree on something logical and just apply it. I mean, it's that way with most other things. I mean, Booze is all 21 now. We figured that one out. It didn't used to be. That's true. But in the last X amount of years, it got up to a standard 21 and voting and all sorts of things like that. Let's just make this one.

1:02:19 Drew Mr. Adams, let's hear now from Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Hamilton.

1:02:22 Adam Well, isn't this kind of a no-brainer? Isn't this a no-brainer? And Drew, you do this for a living and you don't know what's going on.

1:02:30 Drew I'm just saying it's the American way. So with the Confederation of States.

1:02:34 Adam Bob?

1:02:35 Drew Hi, guys.

1:02:36 Thanks for taking my call.

1:02:37 Adam Sure.

1:02:38 About a month ago, I was arrested for soliciting a prostitute and I've come to find out recently that because of that, if convicted of that, that I have to register as a sexual offender. And I just really...

1:02:53 Drew Adam, listen carefully here.

1:02:54 Yeah, I really don't think it's fair that I'm lumped in with child molesters and all kinds of other people because it's my first offense. I was really, I mean, I was really I feel like I was entrapped. I wasn't read my rights. And to me, it's just a big extortion racket for, you know, the sheriffs to tow cars and to really rape the public so they can buy more Chavettes.

1:03:19 Drew See Adam? See what you caused there. California.

1:03:22 Adam He's in California.

1:03:23 Right. Oh yeah. My question is this, I guess, to your guest tonight. What is the best way for me to try to avoid having to register as a sexual offender? It seems it's my first offense. If they don't maybe get this lower to a disorderly conduct, what would your advice be? And my second part of the question is, does any of these thousands of thousands of dollars go back into AIDS awareness programs or a shelter for prostitutes to get back on their feet or to just go back to the police departments?

1:03:53 Adam They buy mustache wax for the cops and the scooters for the parking attendant. That's right. That's where the money goes in. Modifications on the Chavettes. Lowering headers. I mean, adamant intake systems, exhausts, customizing, interiors, things like that. That's where the money goes into.

1:04:09 Adam, does this tube borderline on the chicken-ass jaywalking tickets and all that kind of stuff?

1:04:14 Drew Oh, see what you do, Adam? See what you've done here?

1:04:17 Adam It's scary when I hear how angry my listeners are, though.

1:04:19 Drew Because of you.

1:04:20 Adam Well, listen, I'll tell you. Well, the one time I was sued on this show, or at least attempted to be sued, is when Heidi Fleiss came in here. Her prosecution and all the cops that were, you know, posing as Asian businessmen in order to do all this. Yes, that part sickens me. That part of law enforcement. Way too much time and resources wrapped up in that. And I disagree, as you do, Bob, that you should be labeled as a sexual offender or listed as a sexual offender.

1:04:52 Drew I'll say what I guess. All right. They're way too polite. They could have answered this five minutes ago.

1:04:58 Guest I'm assuming you were arrested for 647B, which is a solicitation of prostitution.

1:05:05 But can I just real quick, can I just tell you that, first of all, she started talking to me and I said, you know, what's up? And I was just, I mean, they were in, Adam, they're literally bright by the man show. And as you know, there's no women over there. They're all men. I said, well, you guys are way too hot. To be, you know, prostitutes, you got to be cops.

1:05:25 Adam There are a lot of transvestites.

1:05:27 No. And then she was really working it. Like, come on, baby. And I was like, she wanted 50 bucks. And she said, no, I'm not a cop. And it was towards Christmas. And I was like, you know, this isn't a cop. And it was a mistake. I admit it. But yeah, you know, I was caught on film. Guilty as charged, you know, when you get down to it, technically by the man show.

1:05:44 Drew Okay.

1:05:44 Yeah, over there.

1:05:46 Adam No, no.

1:05:46 Drew Hollywood Center.

1:05:47 Adam Yeah.

1:05:48 You know, like, you know, like Santa Monica, La Brea, that whole area.

1:05:51 Adam Yeah, that's all transvestites down that.

1:05:54 Yeah, I know. So I thought, you know, I was like, wow, this is like a sign from God. They were hot. I mean, they were like, yeah, they were super, super. I mean, any guy to me, it's like taking a baby seal out in the great white tested waters and just ringing the dinner.

1:06:09 Drew Oh, I see.

1:06:10 Adam So wait a minute, Bob. What were you doing down there in the first place?

1:06:14 I was actually just going to the liquor store to get beer.

1:06:16 Drew Looking for a prostitute.

1:06:17 And just walking out and just walking back from the liquor store and there's like two beautiful women and they're like, hey, baby, blah, blah, blah. We just started talking and, you know, one thing led to another. All right, all right, all right.

1:06:27 Adam Well, what about the part where you ask them if they're a cop and they say no? I always thought that they had to answer somehow. Was, oh, at least it's portrayed that way in the movies of the week.

1:06:37 Guest No.

1:06:38 Adam They don't have to say anything.

1:06:39 Guest We're allowed to use deception and we do that in interviews.

1:06:43 Adam Oh, what about, oh, good, I mean, not for me, but good for everyone else who you're using deception on. What about the part where the hookers say to the potential John's who they think are undercover cops, are you a cop? That's the part where they always seem, I always see in the movies where they have to divulge whether they're a cop or not. They don't have to do that either? No?

1:07:03 Drew No.

1:07:03 Adam No, but you know, there's a popular myth that that must be done.

1:07:07 Guest And that's a myth, Adam.

1:07:09 Adam Smart.

1:07:11 Drew Now, can this guy get off the sex offender hook there? No.

1:07:16 Guest You know, for every crime that's committed, there's a consequence and sex offender registration goes along with a lot of the different sex offenses and he needs to go to court and meet with his lawyer and talk to the DA and make the pitch that it's his first offense and he doesn't have a record and see where they can go from there.

1:07:40 Adam And what about the sexual offender list? Is it just one list? Do they have the pedophile list and the John list? I think he wouldn't mind making it on to another list. He doesn't want to be lumped in with old Uncle Lou who's feeling up the neighborhood.

1:07:57 Guest No, registration is under one penal code section and you register, it's a lifetime registration and you have to register with the local law enforcement agency nearest your home.

1:08:06 Drew Lifetime.

1:08:07 Guest Lifetime.

1:08:08 Adam And it's a lifetime.

1:08:09 Guest It's lifetime.

1:08:12 Adam So this guy goes out to get a six pack, decides to hit on an undercover cop and now he's on this list for good? It doesn't seem right.

1:08:22 Guest Well, when you have a variety of sex offenses, for example, you have somebody who masturbates in public.

1:08:28 Drew Adam, listen carefully.

1:08:30 Adam Your car is not in public, by the way, if you have an illegal tint. How dare you?

1:08:36 Guest When you call somebody over and they're peering into your window and you're doing your business there.

1:08:43 Adam I hang a beach towel up and roll it right up into the window. I never call anyone over.

1:08:47 Guest Good to know. But if you do that, it's a sex offense, which you may be required to register for. And even though it's not the same as rape and it's not the same as molestation, it goes in and among the sex crimes, which are deemed to be registrable offenses.

1:09:09 Adam And what are the long-term consequences for a guy like Bob who makes it onto the list? Are there anything? Getting a job or anything like that?

1:09:18 Drew Licensing to the state? That kind of thing a problem?

1:09:20 Guest The Meagre's Law CD is available at most police departments and anybody has access to that, they can search an area or a subject to see if they're a registered sex offender, what their offense was, etc., etc.

1:09:33 Drew But what does it do to them in terms of their status and getting a job?

1:09:37 Adam Do they have to put that on the application?

1:09:40 Guest I think job applications might specify, have you ever been convicted of a felony or have you ever been convicted of a criminal offense and then they would be writing down what they were convicted of. I don't know that anybody asks if you're a sex offender.

1:09:52 Adam Okay. We got to take a break. Let me just say one last comment. I would assume that if this guy had adequate representation and went in in front of the DA.

1:10:02 Drew Unfortunately, I think that's the issue.

1:10:03 Adam Well, he's not. No, he doesn't have the Dream Team working for him.

1:10:06 Guest Right.

1:10:07 Adam But if he had competent representation, went in front of the DA., explained the whole first-time offense business and the nature of the offense, that he could probably forego getting on that list. Would that be safe to say?

1:10:21 Guest No. It's a case by case basis. And I have to say, put in a plug for the public defenders who work at the courthouses. They're in that courtroom every day. And a lot of people think that because they don't hire them or pay a lot of money for them, that they're not doing any good for them. And they're the ones who do as many trials as the D.A.'s do and are excellent attorneys.

1:10:44 Adam But they might not be interested in getting a guy like this on a list.

1:10:48 Guest The ones I work with are pretty zealous for their clients. So, I have to say that they work just as hard as the so-called dream teams. And they don't want their clients on these lists either. They always advocate for no sex offender registration. And some things you just got to do.

1:11:04 Drew I want to talk after the break, too, about professionals and teachers and they violate these things and what we're doing about that.

1:11:10 Adam All right.

1:11:10 Caller After this.

1:11:16 Adam Here we go. Hey, Loveline, everybody. That is Dr. Drew over there, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Drew was just trying to convince our guests that the world was coming off its axis and hitting into a flowing pit of lava.

1:11:34 Drew What I was building to, if you had interrupted me, was that there needs to be some intrasocial way of containing this, that abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse is something that is exponential growth built into it. People that abuse, abuse lots of people and they abuse lots of people and they abuse lots of them. And 60% of them statistically are the ones that become the serial abusers. Not all of them, but that's 60%.

1:11:57 Guest The victim becomes the victimizer.

1:11:58 Drew The victim becomes the victimizer 60% of the time. And what are we doing to contain this? I mean, it's really, it's sort of out of control now and there's nothing to corral it.

1:12:07 Adam Well, I guess the question is, is it out of control now or is it just being more reported now? Is it something that always went on? You know what I mean?

1:12:17 Drew Yes, it's out of control.

1:12:18 Adam It is?

1:12:18 Drew Yes.

1:12:19 Adam Well, I mean, here's what I, I'll challenge you with this, Drew, and maybe it is. I'm just playing devil's advocate and I'll place the same question to our guest. Let's say, let's just say for the sake of argument, 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, let's go 50 years ago, the United States had 100 million people in it or something like that. What was in, and now, in, I don't know what percent of them engage in this behavior.

1:12:50 Drew A hundred years ago?

1:12:52 Adam 50 years ago, there was 100 million people in the country and, you know, X amount of percent engaged in this, it made a population of whatever. A fraction of a percent. Now, there's 265 million people in the country. Is it a larger percentage or is it just doubled in size as the population is doubled in size?

1:13:09 Drew I think it's a larger percentage.

1:13:10 Guest You do.

1:13:11 Adam But how do you know that? I mean, obviously...

1:13:13 Guest It's hard.

1:13:13 Drew I mean, for instance, look at sort of reports from the early mental health literature. These are people...

1:13:19 Adam I was just perusing those on the way in.

1:13:21 Drew In the 19th century...

1:13:22 Adam Turn-of-the-century mental health literature.

1:13:24 Drew In the 19th century, doctors were beginning to talk to their patients about intimate stuff, and none of this stuff was really prevalent. Occasionally, it would come up, and it was so considered, so like, what are they, impossible that they thought they were just imagining it. This is obviously something that couldn't happen. They just imagined that their dad had sex with them.

1:13:42 Adam It was so taboo in everything that, I mean, it wasn't discussed back then.

1:13:46 Drew But part of taboo contains the behavior. It doesn't happen.

1:13:50 Adam So what are we doing on this crappy show? We talk about it every night.

1:13:53 Drew It's not taboo anymore. We're just discussing it.

1:13:55 Adam Yeah, but you're causing the problem by talking about it every night.

1:13:58 Drew You can make that case.

1:13:59 Adam Well, too late. I did, yeah. All right. What do you guys think? Is it worse?

1:14:04 Guest I don't know if it's worse. I think there is a huge number of people who now report where they wouldn't have before.

1:14:11 Drew How could it not be worse, though?

1:14:12 Adam Because it grows. Well, because everybody, you know what? I'll tell you why, Drew. Because if you get into most families, I shouldn't say most families, but if you get into the sort of lineage of a lot of families and start scratching around a little and asking about Grandpa Jones from 80 years ago and granddaughter of this and whatever, you will find in a lot of families that some things went on, back when, with the grandparents in the 50s and the 40s of the turn of the century. So I think there wasn't as much probing going on back then that people didn't want to know, and this was almost more an unspoken thing, whereas now it's more of a spoken thing and it seems like we're getting hit over the head with it.

1:14:54 Guest Well, you guys are doing an amazing thing also to have people like us on your show to tell your listeners out there that if you feel shame, if you feel like you've tried to disclose and nobody's listened to you, if you don't want to ruin your boyfriend's life because you're 14 and he's 19 and you know you shouldn't be having sex. Any of these reasons, there's so many reasons why people don't disclose, but we're here to say the process isn't as bad as you think it is. There are people out there who really care about what's happening to you and if you call a hotline, if you call the police, if you tell a teacher, anybody you're comfortable with, there are services for you to help you move past this and move forward and make you feel safe.

1:15:35 Adam Thank you. That's a good point. And Drew, one priest molesting now than there was 50 years ago? I don't think so.

1:15:42 Drew No, I don't think so.

1:15:43 Adam So, so there you go. And that's sort of an indication that it was going on back when, too, when you hear all these stories about Father, feel him up. Wait a minute, that's a good comic series.

1:15:54 Drew In a movie?

1:15:54 Adam Send a sort of religious, scary religious message to the young people. Father, feel him up. Father, feel him up. Yeah.

1:16:03 Drew Oh, feel him up.

1:16:03 Adam Father, oh, feel him up. Right. Yeah, right. There you go. Irish Catholic priest. Oh, Father, oh, feel him up. See, Drew, I think this stuff's been going on for a long time. Of course, of course, it has. Just like in the church, it was swept under the carpet. I, I, I, but also. Of course, it has. I'm playing devil's advocate. We got a lot more troublemakers around now. I will agree with that.

1:16:24 Drew Of course, it's been around, but I think it's, it's, it's sort of going unchecked now. It's growing in a way that I don't see where it's going to stop.

1:16:30 Guest Just a quick comment, Drew. You talk about molestation from the past. That's one of the things, one of the things that I investigate are adult victims of child molestation, people who are 30, 40 years old, who were molested by their parents or whoever back in 1960 and have come forward. Right.

1:16:45 Drew So, so you're, you're, you're, you're involved with the historical perspective.

1:16:50 Guest That's correct.

1:16:51 Adam And there's no statute of limitations on, on those cases?

1:16:55 Guest There, there are statutes of limitations, but depending on the conduct, there are other statutes which override the limitations and let you file. And I actually have a couple of cases that are filed that are, have 40 year old victims when they were molested, when they were young kids and were filed.

1:17:10 Adam And what if the perpetrators in fact passed away? Do you incarcerate the corpse? They would actually dig up the corpse and incarcerate, just send them out.

1:17:18 Guest Wouldn't they already be incarcerated though?

1:17:20 Adam Well, it's a good point, but why should they, they should be doing hard times instead of resting in peace and say, That's pretty hard to cover too.

1:17:26 Drew You need at least 24 chromosomes.

1:17:29 Adam In order to...

1:17:30 Drew And then they're jails.

1:17:31 Adam Alright, alright. Also, we don't want to forget to talk about collecting of evidence and all that kind of stuff.

1:17:39 Drew Maybe after the next break we'll have Chris give a whole thing on that. Bob, 52, Bob.

1:17:44 Caller Hi, how are you doing? I wanted to call to let everyone know that it is possible to beat a traffic ticket.

1:17:52 Adam How did you do it?

1:17:53 Caller Well, I do it all the time. And the way you do it is, is you find a good traffic attorney who handles traffic tickets. He usually charges you just a little bit more than what the ticket would be. If he wins the case, then you pay him his fee. If he doesn't win the case, you don't have to pay.

1:18:09 Drew What's his fee?

1:18:11 Adam A little more than the ticket.

1:18:13 Caller About 200 bucks. Right.

1:18:15 Adam And what can he do that you can't do?

1:18:18 Caller Well, what they do is they find the things that are wrong with the ticket. Right. Lots of things that can be wrong with the ticket. The officer didn't write it right.

1:18:28 Drew I hate this crap though.

1:18:29 Adam Why?

1:18:30 Drew This is, you know, this is, no, you like it, huh?

1:18:33 Adam Well, you know why I like it.

1:18:34 Drew It's screwing with the letter of the law. You know what I mean? You're the one that always yells about the spirit as opposed to the letter.

1:18:40 Adam I know, but here's the deal. If you're going to get a ticket for rolling through a four-way stop sign on a deserted intersection, then I say game on, you pussies. You want to play? Let's play that. Because you started it by writing a chicken-ass ticket in the first place. Now, if you're going 110 miles an hour and weaving in and out of traffic, that's another situation. But I do think there's quite a few tickets that are given for things that are not involving the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law or the other way around.

1:19:07 Drew You know what I'm saying? The problem is that the A-holes are going to go out and hire those attorneys who are the ones that are going 110 miles an hour and weaving through traffic.

1:19:16 Adam I look at the whole ticket thing as the IRS. You idiots came up with a bunch of horrible ideas and now it's game on. You could have just done a flat rate and the tickets could have been handled in a more sensible way, but it's now game on. And now people get tax attorneys and they start finding shelters and loopholes and it's game on, but it was started by the government. That's the way I look at it. All right.

1:19:39 Drew Mike is 22.

1:19:40 Adam Drew, you're such a puss. Drew got let off on a ticket a couple of months ago because they recognized him and started crying. He felt so bad. He was like, Gillren, I broke the law and they let me off. Drew, that should be the best day of your life.

1:19:54 Drew I felt awful.

1:19:55 Adam That means you've arrived. You hear me?

1:19:57 Drew I hate that.

1:19:57 Adam Because they knew you?

1:19:59 Drew So guilty. Why?

1:20:00 Adam Why bother getting into it?

1:20:02 Drew I've not sped since.

1:20:03 Adam Oh, BS. You speed every night.

1:20:05 Drew Oh, here in Culver City, of course.

1:20:07 Adam Listen, I see your car in the freeway. You do 80 every night. What do you mean you've not sped since? You don't count 80 as speeding.

1:20:16 Drew Right.

1:20:17 Adam Yes, you were going 90 when you got pulled over. That's why.

1:20:20 Drew So the East Police will come.

1:20:21 Adam The East Police?

1:20:23 Drew Mike is 22.

1:20:25 Adam All right. Hi, Adam.

1:20:26 I'm Drew.

1:20:26 Caller How are you guys doing tonight?

1:20:27 Adam Good. What's up?

1:20:28 Caller Okay.

1:20:29 Here's my question for you guys. About three months ago, I was in a relationship with this girl. Right now, she's currently my ex-girlfriend. And we were at my friend's house. And we were kicking back, relaxing. And she was drinking a little bit. And the whole night she was giving me hints about wanting to have sex with me and then with one of my friends, too, at the time. And you know, he didn't want to be in a threesome, so nothing like that was going to happen. So anyway, we ended up having sex that night. And the next day, for some reason, she does not remember it. She doesn't remember it at all. And that night, this is without my knowledge, that night she went in to file the report for rape. And then I find out Sunday afternoon, I get arrested Sunday night, and I get released because there's not enough evidence for a complaint. And my question is to the detective and the DA., if someone does remember that there was sex and they gave consent, is that still rape?

1:21:31 Drew In California.

1:21:33 Guest How old was she?

1:21:34 She was 24.

1:21:36 Guest Well, if she consented and she had sex with you and she was over 18, then that's not right.

1:21:41 Drew Well, but in California, though, if you are intoxicated, you are not able to render consent. And so it's considered a sexual assault.

1:21:50 Guest If you are incapable of giving consent.

1:21:53 Drew But the state defines it fairly strictly and it's like two beers, basically, it starts to call it into question. And so, you know, the whole issue of how, what kind of state you have to be in to be able to render consent, but then they'd have to be able to prove that, right?

1:22:06 Guest Right. Well, if she wasn't coming forward to say, I was raped, if she says, you know, I did have a couple of beers, but this is what I wanted to do. And she's over the legal age, then there wouldn't be a complaint filed.

1:22:16 Yeah, she knows she was drinking.

1:22:19 Adam And, well, she filed the complaint, though, right?

1:22:22 Drew And she thinks she was blacked out?

1:22:24 And she said she doesn't remember it.

1:22:26 Drew She says she was blacked out.

1:22:27 Yeah. And the thing is, she says, we had a conversation after the act was completed, and she remembers part of the conversation afterwards. So what I'm wondering is, how can she remember the conversation but not the sex?

1:22:41 Guest That can happen.

1:22:42 Adam I've had a lot of forgettable sex.

1:22:44 Drew Yeah.

1:22:44 Adam In fact, what... Yeah, most people I've had sex with don't remember. And then when they find out, they're disgusted. What?

1:22:51 Drew Well, they just didn't... They don't remember. They just didn't notice.

1:22:53 Adam They didn't notice?

1:22:54 Drew A little different.

1:22:55 Adam Are you in? Oh, really? Oh, wait. You're done? Wow. No, no, no. It was nothing. Like when people go to the dentist, it's fair.

1:23:02 Drew Oh, wow. Wow.

1:23:03 Adam I don't know why I was...

1:23:04 Drew It's nothing to it.

1:23:04 Adam I don't know why I was avoiding that so long. Hey, Mike? Yeah. What did you guys talk about afterward? About...

1:23:13 well, she has two kids, so we talked a little bit about that and...

1:23:16 Adam That's horrible.

1:23:18 I don't know, she was, you know...

1:23:20 Adam Here, here's a gym sock. Mop up. How are the kids?

1:23:24 Caller Great.

1:23:25 Oh, and...

1:23:27 Adam That's fantastic. That's horrible pillow talk, by the way, the kids.

1:23:31 She's the one that brought it up.

1:23:32 Adam I see. Okay. All right.

1:23:34 And we were talking about how the relationship was going, because we'd been dating for, like, three weeks.

1:23:38 Adam Oh, all right. And is she speaking to you now, or is she...

1:23:42 She actually issued a restraining order against me, because she still believes that she was raped. And I remember she was on top, so I don't know how she... I mean, she doesn't remember it all, so I don't see how that's rape, but my question... My second part of my question is, how long does it take for DNA evidence to come back? This happened in November of last year, and it's been three months.

1:24:05 Drew Well, what are they trying to find? Evidence of sperm?

1:24:08 Well, yes, because she thinks she was raped by my two other friends as well.

1:24:12 Caller She thinks that happened, too.

1:24:14 Drew Hold on, Mike. Hold on.

1:24:16 Guest Sure. It depends on what state and what area you're in, and how crowded the local DNA laboratory is, but generally it's several months' backlog of cases. All right.

1:24:27 Adam So, Mike, I feel for you. By the way, I'm just going under the assumption that you didn't actually rape this person. I'm taking your word for it, but this is what happens when you get caught up with nut jobs. And this is a nutty broad. Yes, that's true. This is the kind of stuff that happens. She was a hanky-pork.

1:24:47 Drew Again.

1:24:47 Adam All right. It's your fault for dating screwballs in the first place. You understand that?

1:24:52 Well, here's my point. She was trying to get her life back on track. She was going to church, you know, trying to be religious.

1:24:59 Drew And then one of the very difficult parts about this whole, I'm sure you'll attest to this whole phenomenon, is that people who were victimized often distort. And they will perceive things that may have been volitional or may be mutual as a violation. And it becomes real difficult to know where reality is and where a perpetrator is and where the victimization lies.

1:25:22 Adam Right, right, and may even possibly seek it out in their minds.

1:25:28 Drew In a repetitive victimization pattern.

1:25:30 Adam Right. It's like any sex equals rape. So if I had sex with a guy, he must have raped me.

1:25:37 Drew I'm a rapist.

1:25:38 Adam Drew, Drew, please.

1:25:39 Drew I'll tell you more about that after the break.

1:25:40 Adam The mic's still on.

1:25:41 Drew Okay.

1:25:41 Adam All right. We'll be back. It is Loveline. I'm Adam Carolla. Is that my headphones, or is that the way it sounds?

1:25:54 Drew Sounds fine.

1:25:55 Adam Sounds fine? That's Dr. Drew, Eva Jabber.

1:25:58 Drew If you nasally draw it, it will be fine.

1:26:01 Adam Eva Jabber is our guest. She's a deputy district attorney from Los Angeles. Thank you. Chris Cognac is also a detective, and these guys know what's going on in the lives of all the perps, and victims, and all this whole sick mess we call a society. And Christopher offered a ride along for me to go along with him and see what a day in the life is like. And I would like to take you up on that, because I'm interested in that, and I would like to extend a ride along for you. You can come along with me. We can speed. We can roll through four-way stop signs. We can hit off a joint. Turn right on a red arrow.

1:26:42 Drew Turn right.

1:26:43 Adam I turn left on red arrows constantly. I am completely and utterly offended by these arrows that turn red when it's completely unnecessary and turn left all the time. So you may ride along as well with me while we then abuse the law. Not the law enforcement community. They I like. It is the laws. And Drew, you should have never brought the arrow up. You should have, but just let me ask, I gotta ask. What is, why the red arrow? Now, here's what I want to say. I understand the green arrow because the traffic gets backed up in certain intersections during certain times of the day where if only two cars are turning per traffic light cycle, it's gonna get backed up.

1:27:26 Drew Why not assign yield during red arrow? No, no, no, no. As opposed to stop the red arrow.

1:27:31 Adam True. No. Wrong question. Green arrow, green. That means everyone make your turn and then have it turn to nothing and use your own judgment to turn left after that. Why have to sit there and wait for it?

1:27:43 Guest Some intersections are like that.

1:27:44 Adam Some are.

1:27:45 Drew It says yield then during green, during red arrow.

1:27:47 Adam No, it just turns to nothing.

1:27:49 Drew No, the past thing is it will say yield during red arrow.

1:27:51 Guest Yeah, there'll be a sign usually that says yield whatever, but there'll be a green arrow and the green arrow goes, it'll be a solid green and you can continue. There will be no red arrow, but the red hours generally tend to be a little bit more crowded intersections, major intersections, and intersections where traffic collisions occur on a regular basis.

1:28:07 Drew Okay, in Culver City that must be every intersection.

1:28:09 Adam Every goddamn intersection.

1:28:11 Guest That's up to each city's municipal planning department.

1:28:14 Adam There's a red arrow, there's an arrow that turns red turning on to this little crappy podunk street right here every night that you have to sit at and if you catch it at the wrong time, you have to let the signal cycle through. You cannot be trusted to turn. Now I turn on them constantly and if a cop pulls me over, I'm just going to say, look, I'm just doing what I would have done if I was at a signal that did not have an arrow. I know he's going to give me a ticket. By the way, though, I think it is so worth it to run 150 of those and get one ticket than it is just to sit there like a lemming, like a putz and wait to be carjacked.

1:28:51 Drew Given they have about 45 seconds left, can I have Chris describe what will happen if someone makes a report?

1:28:55 Adam Oh, yes, a sexual report and then we'll talk off the airbag.

1:28:59 Guest Basically if a person comes in to make a sexual abuse report, especially a rape, you'll get a quick statement from a patrol officer, then you'll be taken for an examination, usually to a hospital.

1:29:11 Drew Do you have to have police right away or can the social service come in or is there somebody else other than the officers?

1:29:16 Guest If you make a police report, it will start with that. If social services goes in, we'll contact you usually a couple days later.

1:29:23 Drew I'm a rapist.

1:29:24 Adam Drew, please go ahead.

1:29:25 Guest The important thing is the preservation of evidence. Try and preserve anything, any fluids, the bedding, clothing that was worn because that can be crucial as far as obtaining CNA evidence.

1:29:38 Adam How would you preserve that?

1:29:40 Guest In a paper bag is fine, not a plastic bag.

1:29:42 Drew Should you keep wearing whatever you were wearing?

1:29:44 Guest If you are making a report that night, if you were assaulted and then you go to the police, yes, please keep your pajamas on. Keep everything you have on, do not wash yourself, do not brush your teeth because that evidence for us is very, very crucial.

1:29:58 Adam Why not a plastic bag, by the way?

1:30:01 Guest Because what we'll do is we need any bodily fluids to eventually dry out so they can be taken as a sample. If it's a plastic bag, you're aware of it, Dr. that the fluids' biological evidence will decompose in a different manner and won't be usable.

1:30:16 Adam Oh, really? I wasn't aware of that. I was thinking just the opposite.

1:30:19 Guest We do the same with blood.

1:30:20 Adam But the comforter and tupperware will bring it over.

1:30:23 Drew You want to keep it open to air?

1:30:25 Guest That's correct.

1:30:26 Adam Interesting.

1:30:26 Guest But sealed inside like a plastic, like a grocery bag is fine.

1:30:29 Adam Paper, paper grocery bag. It doesn't lose any of its integrity if a bodily fluid or blood dries out.

1:30:37 Guest No.

1:30:38 Adam Interesting. I would have thought that it would have been more difficult to discern whatever you want to discern from it.

1:30:43 Guest Of course, through time it's going to degrade.

1:30:45 Adam Right.

1:30:45 Guest But if it's only been a couple of days or two, no problem.

1:30:48 Guest And they found blood on car seats and on different items 20 years later. They can still test for blood in certain circumstances.

1:30:56 Drew Don't confuse presence with infectivity and you know, anatomic intactness, things like that.

1:31:02 Guest And you don't need to make that decision yourself and bring yourself in. Even if you've showered after it happened and it's the next day or the day after, they can still collect biological evidence from you.

1:31:12 Adam Right.

1:31:13 Drew Is there a window after which you would no longer bother with a forensic exam?

1:31:17 Guest You know, you can have healed trauma years later which can show up. So it's never too late to report it and it's never too late to go in for an exam. So we'd really encourage people to do it anytime.

1:31:30 Adam Okay. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. All right, I want to thank Eva and Christopher for coming in here and shedding some light on a dark, dark subject and answering a lot of questions that we did have.

1:31:55 Drew I bet we'll do this again sometime.

1:31:56 Guest Thanks for having us.

1:31:58 Guest Any time.

1:31:58 Adam Yeah, I would look forward to that. And Drew, you all right?

1:32:03 Drew I'm a rapist.

1:32:04 Adam Drew, please wait till they leave. So until next time, it's Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying, Mahalo.

1:32:11 Guest You have a variety of sex offenses. For example, you have somebody who masturbates in public.

1:32:16 Drew Adam, listen carefully.

1:32:17 Adam Your car is not in public, by the way, if you have an illegal tint.

1:32:23 This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Anne Wilkins-Dingle. Loveline is the presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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