Episode 1000754886791

2:08 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. Loveline Coast to Coast.

2:19 Adam Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Tori Amos is, or Tori.

2:29 Slated.

2:30 Adam Or Tori Amos is some people say, but I always think it's Tori Amos. In here tonight. Yeah, she's not here yet, but what else is new here on Loveline? She should be strolling into the studio any moment now.

2:44 Mm-hmm.

2:45 Adam And, uh, Drew, how was San Diego?

2:48 Drew Nice. The University of San Diego is such a beautiful campus. Unbelievable. Yeah. I know. You know how I get turned down by schools and stuff.

2:55 Adam Yeah.

2:56 Drew It's like you go to a strip bar.

2:59 Adam Yeah. It really is. Except for they pay you to go, and, uh, for me, it cost me 800 bucks.

3:06 Drew Oh.

3:06 Adam You know what I mean?

3:07 Drew Oh, the humanity.

3:08 Adam Drew, you know why you wouldn't function in a strip bar?

3:11 Drew Why?

3:11 Adam One of the many reasons beside that.

3:13 Drew Because by the time I did go, I ended up discussing cervical cancer and, uh...

3:20 Drew No.

3:20 Adam No. There are two reasons. First, the obvious. Your wife would cut your nuts off.

3:27 Drew Oh, yeah, that's that.

3:28 Adam She would put them in a Polish cannon and shoot them across the schoolyard.

3:32 Drew Yes, that's true.

3:33 Adam That's number one. But number two, even if she gave you your blessing, you are a cheap guy. Now, not a cheap guy in the sense that you don't mind buying a nice car and living in a nice home and spending money on vacation and things for your kids and stuff like that. But you don't like to peel off cash. You're what I call retarded cheap. You'll spend a couple of million on a house, but you won't give a guy five bucks. You know what I mean? That's kind of retarded, retarded. Right.

4:00 Drew Truly retarded.

4:01 Adam Right. So when you go to a strip club, you have to just peel off 20 after 20 after 20 and that would kill you. You understand? You could go out to a dinner with three or four of your friends and your wife and pick up the tab and put your Visa card down and pay four or five hundred dollars and you'd be fine with that. But you could not continuously peel off 20s. I know your mentality, even if it was half that amount.

4:30 Drew But mostly it would be in, I'd be support, think about what I was supportive of.

4:34 Adam Oh, shut up. You couldn't do it. Tori Amos has just stepped in the studio, by the way. Delighted to see you again, my dear.

4:43 Tori Amos Hello, Adam.

4:44 It's good to see you.

4:45 Tori Amos Good to see you too.

4:47 Adam It's been far too long.

4:49 Tori Amos I know.

4:49 Adam Drew is in San Diego, by the way, so say hi to him.

4:52 Tori Amos Hello, Dr. Drew. How are you?

4:54 Drew I'm good, Tori. How are you?

4:55 Tori Amos I'm really well.

4:57 Adam Tori is one of the better souls I know. And I think it translates through her music. And I think her fans see that. I think she connects with her fans more than most, maybe better than any. I mean, there's 50, 60 people out there, Drew. And you know what that's like. I mean, by Loveline standards.

5:21 Drew That's insane. Plus, our staff is completely beside themselves.

5:24 Adam Yeah. It must be nice. Is that a good feeling?

5:27 Tori Amos You guys are so cute. It's lovely. Yeah. But I'm pretty fortunate to have people that will come hear the music and not throw tomatoes at me and stuff. And they want to be there. It's a reciprocal relationship.

5:45 Adam Yeah. But don't, and I know you're just going to say yes, but I'm sure you thought about this. Don't you think you have, it seems like a more powerful connection with your fans than just about any other act?

5:58 Tori Amos Well, I think that over the years, we've really put the time in to just being there. You know, every day you spend time with people and they do have a story to tell. I'm sure you all find that, maybe in the beginning, I didn't really know what I was getting, myself into, but by getting the letters and reading them and listening to people's stories, the amazing thing is everybody does have a story to tell. And when they feel like you are listening to them, then you start developing what I was saying before, this reciprocal relationship. It takes two.

6:41 Adam Yeah. Well, I just saw them all standing out there, and I know that our phone screener, Lauren, was, she really, she went through three or four pair of panties yesterday.

6:50 Tori Amos At least.

6:51 Adam And she gave me that, you be nice to her thing. She like, she threatened me yesterday, don't you do anything to my Tori. And so I think there's, like I said, they feel like they're family, and it's really a great compliment. Tonight's show, by the way, Tori's going to be on tonight, the Leno show. I'll be on, I think Monday.

7:16 Drew Whatever.

7:17 Adam Drew, you've not been on the show yet?

7:19 Drew No, I'm not done that one yet.

7:20 Adam Interesting. So Tori Amos, you've done the show probably many, many times.

7:23 Drew Why are you doing the time show?

7:25 Adam I know I'll be doing it for my second time. But Drew?

7:27 Drew Why are you doing it?

7:29 Adam Well, just, you know, I'm a celebrity.

7:30 Drew No, no, no, no reason to do it.

7:31 Adam They have to book celebrities. You know how it is. They got a show to run over there.

7:38 Tori Amos And they want people who will talk.

7:40 Adam That's right.

7:41 Tori Amos Because, just so you know, I mean, they gave me, they always, you know, they get you to sit down and do the pre-show and say, OK, so what's been going on with the pre-interview? Yeah. Right. So they sit down and say, you know, do you have anything to talk about? Because we need, you know, they need to fill up airtime. And you sit there and usually I can't come up with a whole lot right now because I'm seeing the wheels on the bus and spaghetti and macaroni. I've got a 14-month old. So they wanted to talk about, you know, something exciting and macaroni and cheese is exciting for me right now. But you see, they need people that are going to fill up that airtime.

8:19 Adam Right.

8:20 Tori Amos That's why you're invited.

8:21 Adam Well, here's how the pre-interview works for me and Jimmy. Hey, we just got to talk to you. I know what you want to talk about on Monday. Well, you know, we went to a strip club in Bay. We're not talking about that. Oh, well, Jimmy's been having trouble with his bowels and his... No, no, no, no. That's after about 15 premises we floated. They go, all right, we're not talking about any of that. Now, we'll call back in an hour and you tell us what we're going to talk about again. But it's not any of the stuff you wanted to talk about. So at a certain point, you just have to say, what do you want us to talk about? And then they tell you. Yeah. All right, the new CD is called Strange Little Girls. It's all covers and some, and it's very, it's a very eclectic mix. You got, who do you got on here? Got some Boomtown Rats and there's a Slayer song. And who else? I was just looking at the CD. Here it is. You, oh, doesn't-

9:15 Tori Amos So I'm not going to bail you out of this one. Yeah. I'm going to let you find your way.

9:18 Adam Where the hell is that? And where was I looking at all of that? Drew, you got nothing over there, do you?

9:25 Drew You know, there's a question about the cover, the song she covers.

9:28 Adam Oh, really?

9:29 Drew Take 96.

9:30 Adam All right. Ingenious.

9:33 Unacceptable.

9:35 Adam Danielle.

9:36 Hello.

9:36 Adam You're 17.

9:37 Caller Hi. Wow. I'm a first time caller, long time listener.

9:40 Caller I love your show.

9:42 Caller I had a song request and a question for Tori.

9:45 Adam Here she is.

9:46 Caller Hi, Tori.

9:47 Tori Amos Hi, Danielle.

9:48 Caller Oh my gosh.

9:48 Caller I can't believe I'm talking to you.

9:51 Caller I was wondering if you could play American Pie and 12th and 15th Spirit on your Saturday show in LA. If you can make time for it or if you're having a...

9:58 Tori Amos I'll write that down and I'll see what's happening at the piano. This is for Saturday? Okay. Do you guys have a piano?

10:07 Drew Adam, Adam, this is why her fans love her. Are you taking notes on this? This is why people don't like you, Adam.

10:11 Tori Amos Yes.

10:12 Drew I love you too, Adam.

10:13 Adam Oh, man, Drew, you're really hurting over not doing the Tonight Show, aren't you? So much venom in you, Drew. Oh, I'll give you the other... I mean, there's Neil Young on here, the Beatles, like I said, Slayer, Joe Jackson, Stranglers, Depeche Mode, Eminem, Velvet Underground, Lloyd Cole and the Commotions. There's... What's the one? Boomtown Rats, I Don't Like Mondays. Remember that, Drew? Oh, yeah. Yeah, about the song about the kid that shot his classmates. Oh, yeah. Remember that? And then... And it was like a true story. And the kid... They asked the kid, why? And he said, he didn't like Mondays, right?

10:54 Drew Oh, she.

10:54 Tori Amos Yeah. She said yes.

10:56 Adam She said she didn't like Mondays. You remember that story, Drew?

10:59 Drew Yeah.

11:00 Adam No, you don't.

11:02 Is this it?

11:04 Adam God, 1979, that song came out. Drew, can you believe it? I was feeling old.

11:09 Drew Three years ago.

11:10 Adam Yeah. Yeah. So we'll hear some. We'll hear some stuff off the new cover CD. Danielle, we got your request.

11:18 Caller OK. And I also had a question. What was your main influence for choosing the song Sustainable Girls?

11:27 Tori Amos Well, I got together this laboratory of men. Because if the premise, how men say things and what a woman hears, if that were going to work, I really needed to know how men say things and what a man hears. So I got together quite a few men from all different kinds of walks and ways of life. And I began to realize that men document their lives by music.

12:00 Adam And women don't do that as much?

12:02 Tori Amos Maybe, but we do it by shoes also, and photographs, and journals, and all sorts of things.

12:07 Adam That's true. We do music.

12:08 Tori Amos And so as they opened their CD Treasures, they would say, well, this is when I lost my job and I decided I wasn't going to be a mathematician tomorrow. And this is when she left me and I decided I was going to move here.

12:24 Adam When did someone do something to Slayer?

12:28 Tori Amos Slayer was really brought by a guy that said, you haven't represented the Medlars and you've represented every other kind of music.

12:39 Adam Right.

12:40 Tori Amos But do you not like them?

12:42 Adam No, I'm cool with Slayer.

12:44 Tori Amos No, no, that's what he asked me.

12:45 Adam Oh, oh, he asked you. I thought you were asking me. You're a great actress.

12:49 Drew Adam, it's always about you.

12:50 Adam I'm very defensive. Well, I love Slayer. I wrote it for them for a while.

12:55 Tori Amos No, I asked him to show. I said, what if you were going to do, you know, a metal choice? What would it be? And he said, well, Slayer most influenced me as a musician. I said, show me. He said, you're not serious. I said, of course I'm serious. I don't I don't really know their work, so show me the one that you care about. And he said, well, you have to listen to Rain and Blood. I said, OK, let's go.

13:21 Adam So you did it and you did it.

13:23 Tori Amos Yeah.

13:23 Adam Uh, Drew?

13:25 Drew Yeah.

13:25 Adam You want to move on to another call?

13:27 Drew You want to put Danielle on hold for me?

13:28 Adam Thanks, Danielle. OK. Take care of yourself. All right. Let's talk to. Oops. Did I do that? Neil? Neil? Yeah. You're 20. What's up?

13:38 Caller Hey, what's going on?

13:38 Caller I got a question for Tori.

13:40 Adam Here she is.

13:40 Tori Amos Hi, Neil.

13:41 Caller Hey, what's up? Um, I have a question. All right. So like you wrote all the lyrics to all your songs, right? And like you produced Pell and all that and it went platinum. But then on the other side, you got Britney Spears, who doesn't even produce her own beats. And she was 11 times platinum. You got J.Lo, who doesn't like, I think she wrote four songs in an album. Yeah, four songs. And it's the number one hit of this and that. Don't you feel kind of jipped, I guess? I know you can't talk bad about people, but like.

14:07 Adam Sure as you can. Just bad stuff about us all the time.

14:12 Caller You know what I'm saying? Like you put all this like, you put half the artistic effort and you get double the sales. It's kind of like this is wrong. It's like.

14:19 Tori Amos Well, you know, this is the thing. I think that I see myself more like a small vineyard instead of a big vineyard that sells loads and loads of wine. It's maybe, you know, I know all the people that work at the vineyard and you do everything by hand and I have complete creative control. I don't do anything that I don't believe in politically or spiritually or emotionally. I don't answer to anybody at the record labels. I don't even have to get along with anybody at radio, frankly. I don't write songs that are radio friendly. That isn't a choice that I've made in my life. There are people that do that and it's just a different road. I'm kind of fortunate that I can draw these lines very firm in the sand because some people, you know, kind of can't do that and have a career. So when you don't compromise like that, sometimes, you know, you have to accept that you're not in and out burger. I mean, it's not always that easy for people to come in.

15:35 Adam But wouldn't you, and I was thinking about this at the top when I was thinking about how, you know, dedicated your fans are. I mean, wouldn't you rather, and this is for everybody, not just for Tori, in whatever field you're in, have, you know, a handful of people, a much smaller number of people that you respect and admire, admire your work than a throng of a-holes? Do you see what I'm saying? I'd rather have ten people who I really respected and think I was really funny than a thousand retards.

16:07 That's what I'm, so, so it's better, better.

16:10 Adam Thank you. Unfortunately, I only have ten retards that like me. That's the problem.

16:17 Tori Amos No, but also the thing is you have to, I believe as an artist, you pick your path and bitterness is not anything that serves you. To be able to make records now for over ten years and still be hopefully potent, Sylvia Plath is my mentor and artist that really wrote what they wanted to write without having to quote unquote be commercial.

16:48 Adam Well, I thought your vineyard analogy was very good and I know that a lot of people judge all show business by numbers of tickets sold or money paid per episode or records sold, but for a lot of people like yourself, you want to make a living and then you want to do what you want to do and the rest of it is sort of academic.

17:10 Tori Amos Like Miles Davis.

17:11 Adam Thank you. Tiffany? Hi, yeah. He's a black guy, Drew.

17:15 Caller Hello?

17:16 Drew I don't remember that.

17:17 Adam You're 27 now. What's up, Tiffany?

17:19 Caller Oh, hi. Well, I have a question for Dr. Drew.

17:23 Caller Dr. Drew, I'm sorry.

17:24 Caller I'm kind of nervous. And I also wanted to tell Tori, thank you for talking to me in Salt Lake. I was the one with the baby at the meet and greet.

17:32 Tori Amos Yes. Hi.

17:34 Caller Hi.

17:36 Caller That was a lot of help.

17:38 Caller So and I just felt like, I don't know, this whole wave just blew off my shoulder. So I wanted to say that.

17:48 Caller So thank you, Tori.

17:50 Caller And I also wanted to ask Dr. Drew, how soon after you have a baby, do you usually get your sex drive back?

17:56 Drew Are you still breastfeeding?

17:57 Caller No.

17:59 Drew It can be anything from immediate to up to a year.

18:02 Caller Up to a year, yes.

18:03 Drew Yeah. And some women need, and it's multiple reasons why this happens. Sometimes it's breastfeeding, as I asked. Sometimes it's the stress of having to take care of a child. Sometimes there are other children you're dealing with as well. And many times it's the profound biological changes of having been through a pregnancy. Some women actually get on the birth control pill as a way of trying to restore hormonal homeostasis. And that can restore sex drive too.

18:27 Okay. Hey, Drew.

18:29 Adam Yeah. What did you do, get a like, burlitz tape that had homeostasis on it two weeks ago?

18:35 Drew Why have I been using that lately?

18:36 Adam I've heard it flown out of your mouth 18 times in the last three days. What's up?

18:40 Drew Wow, interesting.

18:41 Adam I got some momentum with that homeostasis.

18:43 Drew It was some tape.

18:44 Adam Six years.

18:45 Drew Oh, you know what I was writing.

18:46 Adam Six years we made it without homeostasis. Now we can't live without it.

18:49 Drew I was writing about how people establish sort of a status quo. You know what I mean? They sort of live in a state that is maybe sick. And it's because they establish sort of your homeostasis. I was thinking a lot about that last week.

19:01 Adam Right.

19:01 Tori Amos It's a very good word.

19:03 Adam It's a great word. Nobody knows what it means. Balance. Tiffany, how old is your child?

19:11 Caller She is six and a half months old.

19:13 Adam And are you married?

19:14 Caller Yeah.

19:15 Adam And you're just trying to get back to the swing of things sexually?

19:18 Caller Well, yeah, but I'm having a lot of problems with my husband too.

19:22 Adam All right.

19:22 Drew Well, that'll screw with your sex life too.

19:23 Adam That'll slow you down. What's he up to?

19:26 Caller Well, he's a DJ on a morning show here in Salt Lake.

19:29 Drew Oh, Gary.

19:31 Adam He's flawed.

19:32 Drew Radio.

19:33 Adam He'd be better off with just a white supremacist. Yeah. Better qualities.

19:39 Caller So he hardly gets any money. I work for the postal service.

19:43 Adam He doesn't, they don't pay him anything for the morning drive time?

19:46 Caller No, he gets $6 an hour and he works 12 hours a day.

19:52 Drew Wow.

19:55 Adam Getting paid by the hour for doing radios, like getting paid by the hour for doing rodeo. Drew, write that down.

20:04 Caller That's a good one.

20:05 Adam Yeah, it just, that's ridiculous.

20:07 Caller Yeah, so it's sad. I mean, I have to pay for everything.

20:09 Adam Well, wait a minute. Is he, is he one of the morning, is he like Monkey Boy in the background or is he one of the main DJ guys?

20:16 Caller No, he's Monkey Boy. He answers the phones. He does, you know.

20:20 Adam Oh, all right. Well, that's different. We got them too.

20:23 Drew He'll be running the radio station a couple of months.

20:25 Adam They're named Damien.

20:25 Caller They're over here.

20:27 Adam So, so, okay, so he's working his way. How old is he?

20:31 Caller He is 25 and I'm 27.

20:33 Adam Okay. Well, the good thing is, is if he's got a little talent and a little drive, he'll be doing real good. I mean, everyone in radio, my partner Jimmy has been in radio for a thousand years or started off. He had a couple of kids and no money and was moving around and struggling. And now he's a rich, rich snob. So it'll work out.

20:53 Caller Hopefully.

20:54 Adam All right, baby. Take care of yourself.

20:56 Caller Okay. Thank you.

20:59 Drew Let's talk.

20:59 Adam You want to go to line two here, Drew?

21:01 Drew Sure.

21:02 Adam Well, she made it seem like he was running, running the station at the beginning. Adam?

21:07 Yes.

21:07 Adam You're 24?

21:09 Caller Yes, I am.

21:09 Adam Tori Amos is in our studio tonight.

21:14 Caller I know. And I feel really bad that I'm blocking up her time with my problems. Go ahead.

21:18 Tori Amos I don't know, Adam. I'm just here.

21:20 Adam She's here for you.

21:23 Caller Actually, I do have a question though. I'm seeming to have like relationship problems, only it's not anything about the relationship except for the sex and the frequency of how often we have it.

21:40 Adam So it's a problem not enough for you?

21:42 Caller Right. It's not enough for me. I know you had a caller like a couple of weeks ago and she was, she didn't want it.

21:50 Adam Right.

21:50 Caller And that's how my partner is. And so I'm on the other end of that. And I just, I don't know what to do.

21:57 Adam Well, your partner doesn't want it.

22:00 Caller Right.

22:00 Caller Right. Okay.

22:01 Drew How often are we talking about her?

22:05 Caller Maybe, maybe once a week. Right now, right now it's going on three weeks.

22:11 Adam Three weeks.

22:12 Caller Wow.

22:13 Adam Have you been, have you been tugging at her apron strings trying to get a little more?

22:17 Caller His.

22:18 Adam Oh, his. Oh, it's a guy.

22:20 Caller Yeah, it's a guy.

22:21 Caller Oh, that's different.

22:23 Adam Yeah, he shouldn't be doing that. That's horrible.

22:26 Drew Oh, humanity.

22:27 Adam Once every three weeks. That's, that's, that's way too much.

22:30 Caller Well, I'm trying to keep it so it's not about sex.

22:33 Adam Well, what's the deal? Are you guys in love?

22:37 Caller I am.

22:38 Adam Well, maybe.

22:39 Drew Is this, maybe this isn't a monogamous relationship.

22:42 Adam No, because if he was screwing around, he'd still be putting out at home. Is he, is he questioning his sexuality at all?

22:52 Caller I really don't think so. He's been out longer than I have.

22:55 Drew Is this a monogamous relationship?

22:57 Caller Yes, it is.

22:58 Drew You and he?

22:59 Caller Right.

23:00 Drew And why is it what?

23:01 Adam You don't trust the gays with the monogamy, do you?

23:04 Drew Well, I don't trust them. It's very common that there are problems with the monogamy. That is a common issue in the relationship.

23:11 Adam You got two guys. You got double the opportunity for screwing up sexually.

23:16 Caller You should have two male sex drives, right?

23:19 Adam You would think. Yeah.

23:20 Drew Is he on medication?

23:24 Caller Is he on medication? What's that?

23:26 Drew Is he on any medication?

23:27 Caller No, no.

23:31 Adam And what is, excuse me, because I have to ask the tough questions.

23:36 Caller Okay.

23:36 Adam That's my job. Sexually, who's the bitch? I mean, what do you normally do? Is he, like, get...

23:44 Caller Actually, it goes really 50-50.

23:46 Adam Oh, you're moving around?

23:47 Caller Right.

23:48 Adam Yeah. Okay. And BJs, or you get the sonomy going, too?

23:55 Caller Actually, that's almost counted in as sex, from my standpoint.

23:59 Adam The BJ.

24:00 Caller Right.

24:01 Adam Yeah, I count that as sex, too. I don't know. We should hook up. We make a good team. Press for both names, Adam.

24:11 Caller This is true.

24:12 Adam We'd save on towels. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, something's up with this guy if he can't even muster BJ a couple times a week. You guys live together?

24:26 Caller No, no, no, no.

24:27 Adam But you've been together? You've been together for a while?

24:29 Caller We've been together eight months.

24:31 Adam Hmm.

24:31 Drew And why do you answer the question about being in love as you're in love and you have no idea where he's at?

24:37 Caller Well, I feel pretty certain that he's in love, but being as I can only really understand what I'm feeling because there are two of us.

24:45 Drew Yeah, but usually when someone tells you, I love you, you trust that's what they're experiencing.

24:50 Adam Is he an older guy?

24:52 Caller No, no, he's 23.

24:53 Adam Okay. Why don't you just have a discussion with him and see where his head's at? Because he may be depressed or he may be checking out the relationship or pulling back or maybe he's not doing drugs.

25:05 Caller What's that?

25:06 Drew Is he doing any drugs?

25:07 Caller No, not at all. Every time I've asked him, it's always work related or kind of like musters up an argument or something.

25:17 Adam You tell him, look, you're not looking for a fight. You just want him to come clean, pardon the pun, and have a civil discussion about where this relationship's going, why you feel like he's pulling back. Because he's pulling back. That's what this is.

25:32 Drew It seems like it. That's why I keep thinking he's cheating.

25:35 Adam But I'm saying if he's cheating, he's not trying to... Yeah. He's a horny guy, therefore he's cheating, but he's horny at home too, so he's getting some at home, and he doesn't want to arouse suspicion at home, so he's not... You know, it would be... He would keep the status quo going at home and not have him asking questions like, are you cheating? Got it. Tori Amos is our guest tonight. We're going to take ourselves a little break. Tori and I are going to get caught up during the commercial, Drew. You have fun talking to that $6 an hour engineer over there in San Diego, right? And that bad instant coffee, that's right. And we'll be back after this.

26:14 Drew And no Tonight Show.

26:15 Adam Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, you've never done that. That's right. Tori on tonight, everybody, and I'll be on next week. And Drew, 12th and never. We'll be back. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there, over there being San Diego. Yes, sir. Tori Amos is our guest tonight. She has herself a whole bunch of concerts coming up here at the Will Turn Theater, which is, like I said, the genius name that because it's on Western and Wilshire Boulevard. So hence the Will Turn. And those are all sold out. So just forget about it.

26:56 Tori Amos How do you know this kind of information?

26:58 Adam Well, it dawned on me one day as I grew up in LA. So I passed the Will Turn 1700 times. And it just dawned on me as I was looking at the Wilshire and the Western sign and that it's on Wilshire and Western, that it just must be. I have that kind of genius linguistically. And Drew does too, hence the homeocentesis.

27:25 Drew Homeostasis.

27:26 Adam Sorry, yes, that's right. Tori Strange Little Girls is the name of the new CD. We're going to hear something off of that. I think we'll take a call and then we'll hear a song off the new CD. Selma?

27:39 Caller Yes.

27:39 Adam You're 22?

27:40 Caller Yes.

27:41 Caller What's up?

27:44 Caller I was beginning to date this guy and I kind of struggled. Didn't give him much attention because he actually lived kind of far from me, but since I'm going to move up to where he lives, we started talking. Now I feel like I'm more interested in him than he is interested in me.

28:02 Adam How long were you dating him?

28:03 Caller Well, I met him through a friend actually on a trip up north. He lives in Northern California, I live in Southern California. That's why I wasn't paying much attention to him. Now I feel like that...

28:17 Adam Hold on, Drew, I think we have to do a Loveline recreation.

28:20 Drew Yeah. Are you ready?

28:22 Adam You asked me how long I've been dating him.

28:25 Drew How long have you been dating him?

28:26 Adam Well, I met him on a trip up north with a friend, and he's up there, and I'm down in LA.

28:35 Drew He lives in Southern California, I live in Northern California. That's why I don't care too much about it.

28:38 Adam There we go. All right, let's try this one more time.

28:41 Caller North to Alaska, come on, the rush is on.

28:45 Adam Yeah, I did a denouement of covers, too. Hoyt-Axton covers, I did. Selma?

28:55 Caller Yes.

28:55 Caller How long you guys been going out?

28:58 Caller A little over two months.

28:59 Adam Okay, so it's fairly new, and it's always been a long distance thing? Yes. Okay, and now it seems like he's losing interest?

29:08 Caller Yeah, he rather watch TV with his friend and call me back.

29:12 Adam Okay. Well, maybe. Yeah, it's over. And it's okay because he's out of your range, geographically anyway.

29:22 Caller Well, I'm actually going to move like maybe like not too far from him in January.

29:27 Caller So it's like.

29:28 Adam Are you really into him or are you just kind of into him because you don't think he's into you?

29:32 Caller No, I think he's like a total. He what? I mean, he's been a total sweetheart, like all the time. And calls me in the morning to say good morning, things like that.

29:43 Drew And that I'm very I'm really unclear about something. How much time have you actually spent face to face?

29:49 Caller Actually, a lot. He well, not a lot, but he's come down every other weekend and I've gone up a lot.

29:55 Caller So we do see each other almost every weekend.

29:58 Adam All right. Well, how about, and everybody can do this. If your mate is giving you trouble, it's okay to say to him, hey, what's up? You seem, Drew, do that again.

30:09 Drew Ah.

30:12 Adam Drew, next time I give a speech, I want you behind me.

30:16 Drew Chorus.

30:17 Adam Yeah, I want you, I want you behind me doing, doing that, like I'm with the nation of Islam. I'll go, it's okay to talk to your mate every once in a while.

30:29 Caller You guys should communicate. Ah. Do not hesitate to communicate.

30:34 Drew Ah.

30:35 Caller God put her on earth and gave her a mouth for more than just oral sex.

30:40 Drew All right.

30:41 Caller Although nothing comes to mind right now.

30:44 Adam Drew, come on.

30:45 Drew No, no, no.

30:46 Adam Okay. All right. Selmy, you just talk to them, okay? And get an answer. And if the answer is, you know, hey, he's out, then you move on.

30:55 Drew She's pretty clear what the answer is, as always. That's why she doesn't ask the question.

30:58 Adam Tori, don't you think or tell me what you think about this. We think when people don't ask the question, it's usually because they don't want to know the answer.

31:07 Drew Or they know what the answer is and they don't want to hear it.

31:13 Adam You get that vibe when someone's pulling out of a relationship. You kind of know. Your spidey sense tingles. And you know if you corner them and say to them, what's up, eventually, if you really push hard enough, they're just going to tell you they ain't into it. And then you're crushed.

31:27 Tori Amos But don't you sometimes think that there's a part of it that they want to hold on to, whether it's your friendship? Sometimes people just, they don't want you completely out of their life, but they don't want it the way that it was. Something's changing.

31:44 Caller Right, right, right.

31:47 Adam And they don't want it the way it was, but they don't want to confront you, and they don't want you completely out. So they just start slowly pulling back, and then you go nuts.

31:58 Tori Amos I mean, is this guy afraid that because she's moving up there, she's going to be right there? And it's not against her. It's not a personal thing. It's just I've found that sometimes when I get too close to certain, in my life, when I've been too close to certain men, that they just feel like they're losing their freedom.

32:20 Adam Yeah, well, we do that. I'm feeling a little caged right now. Open the door. Hey, you know, Drew? Yep. I, you know, I forgot. I know I've told this story before. It's been a long time. Tori Amos, I took some flowers of hers to an ex-girlfriend of mine many years ago. Do you remember that? She did. Tori did the K-Rock, that is the mother station out here, did the Kevin and Bean morning show years ago. Like it was, it had to be six and it had to be seven years ago because I was just screwing around. I was like just hanging out with the morning show screwing around. And Tori did her thing. And as usual, all her fans came by and dropped off some flowers and gifts and stuff. And Tori took off and left behind. And not intentionally of course, but somehow neglected to get a bouquet of flowers. And I collected this bouquet of flowers because my girlfriend had been pounding on me for never giving her flowers. So I came home and I handed her the flowers. And she almost had an aneurysm because I never buy flowers. And she was like, what is up? Oh, my goodness, I'll get some water, you know. And I was feeling pretty good about myself. And then I screwed up. She was a big Tori Amos fan. And I said, such an idiot. I said, guess whose flowers these were for? She was like, who? And I said, your number one girl, Tori Amos. And she was like, you son of a bitch. I said, but Tori Amos, you love Tori Amos.

33:56 Tori Amos Not that much.

33:57 Caller But for me...

33:58 Drew No, Tori, you talked about the differences between how men and women think and how they speak.

34:03 Caller Yeah, that's it.

34:05 Adam That's it.

34:06 Drew That's like, that's an extra good thing.

34:07 Adam Yeah, like let's say...

34:08 Drew These are your best girls' flowers.

34:11 Adam Let's say your wife brought you home a stethoscope that was C. Everett Coops.

34:16 Drew Yeah, exactly.

34:16 Adam You'd be on cloud nine, right? Yeah, that's right.

34:19 Drew Extra special.

34:20 Tori Amos Now the word cheap comes to mind.

34:23 Adam What about resourceful? Doesn't that come to mind?

34:26 Drew Creative.

34:27 Adam Thoughtful. That's right. Look, I could have walked away. I could have walked away, but I picked up the flowers. I tore the Tori name tag off and I promptly brought them to my girlfriend.

34:39 Caller Is she still your girlfriend?

34:40 Adam No, no. No, no. Big mistake. Get into that. Yeah, this horse just came in. You know what I'm saying, baby? Horse? Yeah, me. I'm talking about me. She was with me during the lean years, but now literally a millionaire. Literally, you know.

34:54 Tori Amos Congratulations. That's so good to see.

34:56 Adam Thank you. Literally. Hey, should we hear a song? We got time? Should we do it? Let's do it at this break. Let's hear a song.

35:02 Drew Whatever you say, Your Royal Highness.

35:03 Adam Thank you. Anderson, you ready to rock? You got both your hands up in the air. Okay. You're working it with your feet. This is off of Strange Little Girl, and this one is called Strange Little Girl. Tori Amos, everybody. Another beauty. Strange Little Girls, the name of the CD. We're going to take a little break, and we'll be right back with more of the show after this.

39:12 Caller All right.

39:14 Caller Hello, this is Loveline.

39:19 Adam Hey, it's Loveline, everybody. I'm Adam. That's Drew in San Diego tonight. Drew, you'll be back tomorrow night, correct? Absolutely. We'll be looking forward to that. Tori Amos, our good friend and wonderful soul. Tori Amos is in studio tonight. She will be at the will turn, but don't bother. The tickets are sold out.

39:42 Tori Amos But wait a minute. I release tickets every night. Oh, you do? Well, because I hold a few for sight lines.

39:50 Adam I see.

39:50 Tori Amos So we're there Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, and I always have a little stash.

39:56 Adam So how would one get into your stash?

39:59 Tori Amos We give it back to the ticket ladies at around, I don't know, what time do I do that, John? Six something, six-thirty-ish, once they know where the sight lines are. You know what I'm saying.

40:14 Adam Meaning physically the sight lines in the theater.

40:17 Tori Amos Right. So when all the gear is up and our production is rolling, and you can see that in this row, they can't see the redheaded piano player.

40:28 Adam Right.

40:28 Tori Amos So that's why you, I hold seats just to cover that.

40:33 Adam I've seen Tori a few times, but I think only like acoustically, just alone at the piano, which is amazing and impressive. But how many people do you travel with? Are you alone or do you have a full band, or how does it work?

40:50 Tori Amos Well, I don't know how to put this. I'm playing alone at the piano, you know, traveling with loads of people.

40:56 Adam Really?

40:57 Tori Amos So yes, even though I'm alone on stage, right, playing and singing, there's a huge crew that make it work. I do this with a lot of people.

41:06 Adam Do you ever have someone on a cello sitting there?

41:09 Tori Amos For two tours, I had other musicians.

41:12 Adam Right.

41:13 Tori Amos And that was a completely different kind of show. So this tour, I'm just alone at the keyboards.

41:22 Adam Very, very impressive.

41:24 Tori Amos With a great crew, by the way, because, you know, just because you're up there alone doesn't mean there's not a lot of people that are a part of creating the show.

41:31 Adam Well, yeah, but let's stop being modest. They're a dime a dozen. Thank you.

41:36 Caller Drew?

41:37 Adam What are you doing over there, buddy?

41:40 Caller What a call.

41:40 Adam Kevin?

41:41 Caller Hey, how are you?

41:42 Caller Hey, you're 18.

41:44 Caller Holy God. Hi, Tori.

41:46 Tori Amos Hi, Kevin. How are you?

41:48 Caller I just, holy God.

41:50 Caller I'm sorry. Hang on a second. Okay. I was in Salt Lake too. In fact, I met that girl that you said hi to her baby too. I thought that was kind of cool.

41:59 Tori Amos Wow. This is a small world. Are you in Salt Lake now?

42:02 Caller Yeah, I am. There's a lot of crazy fans out here. You have no idea.

42:09 Tori Amos Salt Lake is a fascinating place. Don't you think there's a lot going on out there?

42:16 Adam It seems like there's quite a diverse group there. I mean, you got your super pious Mormons and then you got your crazy rebellious kids who probably feel like women living in Afghanistan. You know what I mean? Like under this oppressive regime. I'm guessing Kevin is one of them.

42:35 Tori Amos And then you've got the Olympic Committee.

42:37 Adam Right.

42:38 Caller Yeah. I want to know if you... This has been driving me crazy. I sat on the second row of your concert and I swore to God that you looked at me during Crucify because I was bawling and you like raised your eyebrows and smiled. I don't know if that was at me. And then afterwards, when I was like meeting you, I called you Jesus. Sorry, by the way, I didn't...

42:59 Adam When you met her.

43:01 Caller She like reached out her hand and said hi and then I'm like, Tori, you're Jesus or something stupid like that.

43:07 Drew You're gay.

43:08 Adam Was she, please, Drew, was she telling your dog to command you to kill?

43:13 Caller No, I would have though.

43:15 Adam Good, good. How are you doing over there in Salt Lake? Are you gay, Kevin?

43:18 Caller Oh, sure, yeah.

43:19 Adam Is it tough there in Salt Lake for a young gay man?

43:22 Caller No, not really.

43:23 Adam It's okay?

43:23 Caller Not bad.

43:24 Adam Okay. All right.

43:25 Caller It was in school but that's over.

43:27 Adam Vera, that's over with now. So you love Tori Amos?

43:31 Caller I do.

43:31 Adam Me too.

43:32 Drew Is that it?

43:34 Adam No, I think you just wanted to heap praise on her.

43:38 Drew That's it? Kevin?

43:39 Caller Yeah.

43:40 Drew Any other questions?

43:41 Caller I wanted to know about the drug ephedrine. My friend gave me a bottle of these pills. I started taking them and they make my head all tingly. I just want to know what's the side effect? What does this drug even do?

43:54 Drew Lesbian. Ephedrine is a drug that is easily converted to amphetamine. It is basically converted in your body to that kind of chemical. It can cause strokes and heart attacks. It's highly addictive. You have to use a lot of it to get addicted, but it's a dangerous, dangerous drug.

44:10 Adam Other than the strokes, heart attacks, and amphetamine, it's fine.

44:14 Drew I admitted to an amphetonetic about two weeks ago. He was a mess.

44:18 Adam And where do you get it? Is it a diet supplement?

44:24 Drew Can be.

44:25 Adam I mean, is that why the majority of people take it?

44:28 Drew Yeah, I'd say so. Right.

44:30 Adam You get it.

44:30 Drew I mean, that's, I think, where most people encounter it. Right.

44:33 Adam And can you get it, like, through mail order or something? Or is it?

44:36 Drew You know, I don't know. You can get pseudoephedrine easily. That's just a pseudoephedrine over the counter. But ephedra and ephedrine are things that are usually these herbal preparations.

44:44 Adam Right. All right. Let's, who do you want to talk to? Tony?

44:49 Caller Yeah.

44:50 Adam Tony?

44:50 Caller Yes.

44:51 Adam Tony the chick?

44:52 Caller Is this Adam?

44:53 Adam Yep.

44:53 Caller Hi, Adam.

44:54 Adam Hey, Tony.

44:55 Caller How are you?

44:55 Adam Good. How are you doing?

44:56 Caller I'm freaking out right now, dude. I can't handle it.

45:00 Adam Because Tori's here?

45:01 Caller Oh, my God. I can't believe I'm going to talk to her. Yeah, because Tori's there.

45:06 Drew Don't turn your radio off. You're not going to. So be careful.

45:07 Caller Should I turn my radio off?

45:09 Adam Yeah.

45:10 Caller Okay.

45:10 Adam There you go.

45:11 Caller I'll hear you come on on this end.

45:12 Adam Yeah. You know, there's that thing. It's a phone, right?

45:15 Caller Yeah.

45:16 Adam It's got that ear part.

45:18 Caller My phone died in my hand.

45:23 Adam Oh, you mean your phone is out of batteries?

45:25 Caller Yes. It's a bad phone.

45:27 Adam All right. But you can still hear us through the speaker if you turn your radio down.

45:30 Caller Yeah, I can hear you fine.

45:32 Adam Okay. Go ahead. Ask your question.

45:35 Caller Am I on the air?

45:36 Caller Yes. All right. Tori.

45:38 Caller Hi.

45:39 Adam Hi, Tori Amos fans.

45:40 Caller Oh, my God.

45:42 Caller I can't believe I'm talking to you. Okay. Welcome back to LA. First of all, I'm going to your LA show Friday night and your two San Diego shows. Those are your last shows, right?

45:53 Tori Amos In America, yes.

45:54 Caller In America? Oh, my goodness. Question is, what is your inspiration for fairies? Where did that come from in you? Because, as you know, we're all, everyone goes to the concert wearing fairy wings and they write a lot about you being the fairy queen. Where did your inspiration come from?

46:15 Tori Amos Well, actually, my grandfather was part Cherokee and he would talk to me about the spiritual realm and the spiritual world. And it defines itself in different ways for different people, as we all know. Sometimes it's just taking a walk and seeing the sunset. Sometimes it's being close to the earth and experiencing nature in that way. Sometimes it comes out for other people in religion, although that gets very confusing.

46:49 Adam Are you a religious person or a spiritual person?

46:52 Tori Amos I'd like to think that it's more of a... it's about... it's not a set doctrine for me. My grandfather tried to teach me a lot about just listening, listening to other people and also listening to the spirit world. And it did speak to you and listening to your ancestors. And as you know, that's a great belief with the Native Americans.

47:17 Adam Yeah, they're huge into that. They listen to like coyotes and they talk to cactus.

47:21 Tori Amos Yeah, they do.

47:21 Drew The wind.

47:22 Tori Amos That's right.

47:23 Adam It's really because they didn't have cable. They're talking to rocks and stuff out there.

47:28 Tori Amos Okay, all right, all right.

47:29 Adam Well, I mean, that's the bottom line. If they had some cable, they wouldn't be into all that talking to coyotes and stuff.

47:35 Tori Amos Well, I think the whole thing is that there are certain people that really believe that there is a spiritual world out there. And then, there's some people that are more cynical about it. And it's going to feel right for you.

47:51 Adam Are we... I'm sorry to cut you off in the middle of the spiritual triangle.

47:55 Tori Amos No, you're not.

47:56 Adam No, I really don't care.

47:57 Caller You're quite happy about that.

47:59 Adam We have to take a break and shove some commercials in here. But we will come back with Tori Amos and we will finish our thoughts on spirituality. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I do. He's my chauffeur and we will be right back.

48:27 Caller Hey, everybody, it's Loveline.

48:29 Adam I'm Adam, Dr. Drew's in San Diego tonight. Tori Amos is our guest. No, Anderson, I'm not singing tonight. No? No. You were always, at least this is my sort of layman's read of you. You're a person that was up in your head and sort of deep in thought a lot, and it could almost be mistaken for depressed sometimes. But you seem much more just energetic now. You seem thrilled about being a mom.

49:31 Tori Amos I love being a mom. I think there are different things for different people that make the numbers line up in your life.

49:38 Adam Right.

49:39 Tori Amos And it doesn't matter at a certain point. You can have done the shrinks. You can have done the whatevers. You can have been around the world many times. But still, the numbers aren't adding up. Right. And being a mom, I think it was kind of when I realized, you know, there are days that are really magical days. You know, those days that you want to hold in your hand. And like gold dust, you just hold it. You want to talk about magic, magical things.

50:14 Adam But did you have those days before you had your child?

50:19 Tori Amos Um, much less, not as much. And over things that were much grander. Now as a mom, sometimes the gold dust is just getting spaghetti thrown all over you. Right. I think the big thing with Tosh is that, um, you know, she's trying to learn how to eat by herself. And I feed her sometimes like a little bird with my hands, because just sometimes little kids, the spoon fork thing, as Drew, you know, gets very complicated. Oh boy. And so...

50:53 Adam Drew with the triplets.

50:54 Tori Amos When you... Well, for me, when I fed her with my hands, that seemed to really... She got that. But now, she feeds me with her hands. So sometimes I'm standing backstage, ready to... I've got my stuff on. And I've got strawberries coming at me and sweet potato in my hair. And these are those gold dust moments.

51:16 Adam Yeah, listen, I'm a hard ass most of the time, but my four-year-old nephew drew me a picture the other day and ran up and gave it to me. And it's really touching. I mean, you know, it's a piece of crap. I mean, it wasn't much good before, but the fact that he sat around in school and decided to run up and give me... And then he actually asked me if I would buy him a Corvette when he was older. That's fabulous. Because, you know, I'm like a rich Uncle Adam to him. He wanted to buy a Vette. But you know what? You know, the deal I cut with him, he showed me a picture of a Corvette, but it was a 2001 Corvette. And he said, I want this car. And I said, I will buy you that car when you're 18. And he couldn't believe it. But here's how I'm going to screw him. That's 14 and a half years from now. That Vette, it'll be, you know, 2018 before I buy that 2001 Vette.

52:14 Tori Amos Oh, if I were you.

52:14 Adam The car will be 15 years old. I'll be able to pick it up for next to nothing. Probably have two, three hundred thousand miles on it.

52:19 Tori Amos You could pick it up next for nothing next week.

52:21 Adam Yeah. But imagine what it'll be like 15 years from now. So I got him on a technicality. But anyway, it was really touching when he gave me this picture. The idea that he was thinking, the idea that kids think about you is kind of nice that they offer you some of their yam.

52:37 Drew Yeah.

52:37 Adam Because kids, I think from zero to I don't know what age, Drew, are pretty much about them, right?

52:43 Drew Oh, yeah. Yeah.

52:45 Adam I mean, pretty much exclusively. So those those.

52:47 Drew Well, no, it's them and the wonderful world you share with them.

52:50 Adam Right. So that you're sharing in their world that those fleeting those those moments when they reach out and worry about you has to be kind of kind of inspiring, kind of touching. Yeah, I got to get me some kids.

53:01 Drew Well, they're bringing you into their magical world.

53:04 Tori Amos That's the thing. That's right.

53:06 Adam Now, what days are those that they're having, you know, where they bring you into the magical world? Because I only want the kid on that day.

53:12 Tori Amos Every day.

53:13 Adam Really?

53:14 Tori Amos There's something every day.

53:15 Drew Yeah. It's just a range, Adam, of how that entrance is sort of conveyed, sometimes by throwing a little poo in your direction.

53:21 Adam Oh, yeah.

53:22 Drew Sometimes it's by offering you a picture.

53:24 Adam All right.

53:25 Drew All the same.

53:26 Adam Let's go to line six here and talk to Tallulah.

53:29 Caller Hello?

53:30 Adam Tallulah? Yeah. You're 16? Yeah.

53:34 Caller The name is Tori Amos Tong.

53:37 Tori Amos Hi, Tallulah.

53:38 Caller Oh, my God.

53:39 Tori Amos How are you?

53:40 Caller Oh, my God.

53:41 Caller I can't believe I'm talking to you.

53:43 Tori Amos How are you?

53:44 Caller What?

53:45 Tori Amos How are you?

53:46 Caller I'm okay.

53:48 Caller Wow.

53:49 Caller Wow, this is weird. Well, okay. Like, I had a question. Like, it's really a good question, but I hear everybody talking to you, and I just want to talk to you. I could ask you, like, a million questions.

54:02 Adam Well, let's just narrow it down to one good one.

54:06 Caller Okay. Right. So, last year, my West Institute teacher was like explaining something to us about, like, what are the guidelines to make it rape?

54:19 Adam What teacher?

54:20 Caller Well, West Institute teacher, it was just like, we're disgusting. I mean, disgusting something. Like, totally different. He didn't say it to me. He was, like, saying it to the class.

54:28 Adam So, he was telling you when something technically becomes rape?

54:32 Caller Yeah, like, there's four things.

54:34 Adam Okay.

54:34 Caller It has to happen.

54:36 Adam Right.

54:36 Caller And I, or something like that. I don't really remember what they were, and I'd like to know.

54:42 Adam Well, isn't it just sex without consent?

54:46 Caller Oh, that's right.

54:47 Caller Yeah, because it was not, like, penetration, something, because it was kind of...

54:55 Adam I don't think there needs to be penetration. I mean, I don't know.

54:59 Drew We never really get into this. There's a sexual assault that doesn't have to be.

55:03 Adam I see. I see. All right, so you got your penetration and you got the lack of consent.

55:09 Caller Yeah. And it happened quite a while ago.

55:12 Adam Oh, this happened to you?

55:13 Caller Yeah.

55:14 Caller What happened?

55:16 Caller It was May 5th, and I was on a date, and yeah, it was bad.

55:27 Adam Well, did you report the guy?

55:29 Caller Well, I didn't really, I was thinking about it. I'm like, they're not going to care. Like, it sounds like he would just be like, no.

55:37 Drew Well, Talila, just that attitude suggests that you have a long history of having been a victim. Do you expect people to react to you that way?

55:43 Caller Yeah.

55:44 Drew What happened? Yeah, what else?

55:46 Caller Well, like, when I was 10, like, my, like, I was a friend of family and I was molested.

55:55 Drew Okay. Well, that's where that whole victim role got established. Yeah.

55:59 Adam What about your dad? Is he a jack-off? Yeah.

56:03 Drew Yeah.

56:03 Adam I like to kick him in the nuts.

56:04 Caller Yeah.

56:05 Adam Is he still around? Did he abuse you?

56:09 Caller No.

56:10 Adam Physically?

56:12 Caller Mentally more.

56:14 Adam Mentally. Yeah. All right. So here's the deal. Do you want to try to bring this guy to justice who did this to you?

56:23 Caller Yeah, I do. I just want to know if I have good evidence, like if I have to say the things that happened, because it wasn't exactly the penetration.

56:33 Drew Yeah. You're not going to be able to prove anything, unfortunately. So much time has passed.

56:37 Adam Well, how much time has passed? Oh, May 5th, is what you're going to say?

56:41 Drew You're going to be a police man in a couple of weeks to talk about what people need to do to get a forensic exam established.

56:45 Adam Oh, really? Because, Drew, I get nervous around the fuzz.

56:48 Drew Oh, yeah. I know. I'm not going to come in here that night. You'll be in your best behavior that night. But the fact is, although you won't be able to accomplish, prove anything, or really prosecute him based on what happened on May 5th, you will establish a record, so if other people go through something with him, there'll be a record. And two, you'll break that pattern of victimization you're in.

57:08 Caller Yeah.

57:09 Drew It's part of breaking that up and doing something more supporting yourself.

57:14 Adam What do you think, Tori?

57:15 Caller Oh my God. Hello.

57:17 Tori Amos Well, I think healing for you, Drew just said things that are really important. Once you make that step, then there's a lot of healing to be done.

57:29 Caller Yeah.

57:30 Tori Amos That I think that you need to go to somebody, whether it's there is rain, but that's one of many places you can turn, where I think you should get professional help, because just to talk to somebody.

57:45 Adam Well, what happens? Sorry for cutting you off, but if she calls rain, she gets hold of your organization, she's calling from Chicago. What could she expect?

57:57 Tori Amos Well, they put her in touch with the Rape Crisis Center in Chicago, and she can go in and get information. Rain is really a resource. It's like an ER.

58:09 Drew And a triage center.

58:11 Tori Amos Right. Where you go and you see what your options are. They can get you in touch with certain rape counselors. And it is a place to start, but there are other ways.

58:24 Adam Well, let's give the number out while we're talking about it. Do you have that?

58:31 Tori Amos Well, you all need to do it accurately. Right now, I don't have it right in front of me. I don't want to see it wrong. I think it's 1-800.

58:41 Adam She's looking at the peanut gallery.

58:43 Tori Amos The last four numbers are HOPE, H-O-P-E, but we'll get it for you.

58:50 Caller I always feed on websites and stuff.

58:52 Adam The 1-800-656-HOPE. Mm-hmm. I'm told in my ear.

58:58 Caller Yeah, I've been sitting on this for a while, and then I heard that you were going to be on Loveline, so I was like, oh.

59:03 Tori Amos Well, Tallulah, the thing I just feel is it's so important that you make a commitment to yourself to heal, and that's a fascinating journey, sometimes painful, but it is empowering.

59:23 Drew All right, Tallulah, can I, you don't have to answer this, but I'm going to ask you something personal. I mean, you speak a language that suggests you've had a journey of exploration and support of the self, is that true, for yourself?

59:33 Tori Amos Yes, that's true. I'm very fortunate that I, when I looked for some guidance, I had some really, let's say, guiding lights there, and sometimes they were tough with me, and that I had to look at some things that I didn't want to look at and make some choices and cut some people out of my life. But I had a pattern of pulling in people that I would just keep playing it over and over and over again until I was able to understand and see the pattern and break it. But first I wanted to do it, you know, first I wanted to take care of myself.

1:00:14 Drew It's so gratifying, yeah.

1:00:16 Adam Yeah. Want is even a weird word for it. It's like almost, you're almost compelled.

1:00:22 Tori Amos Right.

1:00:22 Adam And I mean, that's all the show is and that's all the world is really, is how do you undo that? What was done to you growing up and it causes you to make these horrible repetitive decisions over and over again. How do you, how do you break that program? How do you not have a kid and pass that along to your child? That's all, it's really, wouldn't you say in essence, that's all we're doing here, Drew?

1:00:47 Drew We're trying to point out over and again.

1:00:50 Adam It doesn't seem to be something that society is that interested in. We can never understand why. I mean, from a government standpoint and just from a general societal standpoint, they don't seem to see the link between that and the repetitive problems of society. I can't understand why we wouldn't want to focus on that, to turn this place into a utopia, and nobody wants to focus on that. It's all about individuals and individual choices, and we know it's just carved in. I mean, Drew, when you're talking to this Tallulah who was raped at age 16, you knew up to about 95% that she had been victimized before 16, right? And then you knew when she said something happened to her 10, then you knew that her dad was abusive in some way, shape, or form. It's unstoppable. It's undeniable math. It's just... And people in this society don't look at it as math, as an equation. They look at it as sort of psychobabble and mumbo-jumbo, and they look at it as, well, some people, you know, some people prescribe to that. They're in it, and other people don't.

1:02:04 Drew So it's up to everybody.

1:02:05 Adam But it's not open for negotiation.

1:02:07 Drew It's not a theory.

1:02:08 Adam It's not a theory. That's what we're trying to say. It's as mechanical as any other physical thing that goes on in the body. And you can no easier argue this away scientifically than you could a broken bone to a physician. But we won't look at it that way. And there's something as human beings where that scares us. It has to scare us to not feel in control.

1:02:33 Tori Amos But some of us are looking at it. And when a group of people rises up and says we're not going to pass this down to the next generation, it's going to stop here with me in my life. And I'm going to turn it around and I'm going to accept my crap. And then I'm going to put my hands in here and change this.

1:02:56 Adam Right. And not have, I mean, I don't know what your age is, Tori.

1:03:01 Tori Amos I'm 38.

1:03:02 Adam I would imagine, and this is your first child, correct? If you'd had this child when you were 21.

1:03:09 Tori Amos Very different story.

1:03:11 Adam What a load of crap you would have given this kid. And you would have been a horrible mother.

1:03:16 Tori Amos Yes.

1:03:16 Adam Horrible. Horrible. Maybe the worst.

1:03:19 Tori Amos Say what you feel.

1:03:20 Adam No, but this kid, this kid would be robbing banks and doing heroin right now, right? I mean, this kid would be 17 and a mess and probably have a kid of their own.

1:03:29 Tori Amos And playing air guitar.

1:03:30 Adam And playing air guitar to Boston. Wait a minute, that was me. I hate my parents so much. But here's the point. You knew that you had, there's nothing wrong with having problems to work out. We all have them. But the problem is, is passing those on.

1:03:46 Tori Amos No, but it took me, I don't know about you guys, but it took me a long time to realize that I was in trouble. Meaning that I really had problems. It was everybody else that had them.

1:03:57 Drew Well, that is exactly what anime is talking about. People do not want to take responsibility for what's going on in their life, ever. Have you ever read the book, The Road Less Traveled, Tori?

1:04:07 Tori Amos I haven't.

1:04:08 Drew It really, you don't really need to, because it really goes at that issue. Is it getting people to accept the fact that until you look at your own crap and how you create everything, everything in your life, you're not going to get anywhere. You're not going to feel better. You're not going to change things.

1:04:21 Adam Drew, do you have any other suggestions for books that Tori doesn't need to read?

1:04:28 Drew I was bringing it up for other, for the listeners in case Tori had read it and wanted to sort of share her feelings about it.

1:04:34 Adam Have you read the Phantom Tollbooth?

1:04:36 Caller No.

1:04:36 Adam Okay, it's the only book I've ever read. So it's embarrassing, but I have to bring it up when Drew brings up a book to read.

1:04:43 Caller Gil?

1:04:44 Caller Hi.

1:04:45 Caller Oh my goodness.

1:04:46 Tori Amos Hi, Tori. Hi, Gil. How are you?

1:04:50 Caller I'm flabbergasted that I'm speaking with you. This is amazing. I quit smoking today.

1:04:56 Tori Amos Congratulations.

1:04:57 Caller Thank you. My method of quitting this time is to tell everybody so that I can't go back on it.

1:05:04 Adam You think you're going to be lighting up a butt at an airport lounge like six weeks from now and Tori's going to call you up and bust your chops?

1:05:12 Caller On the off chance. Who knows?

1:05:13 Adam You never know.

1:05:14 Caller I'm thinking of putting a photocopy of my picture to all the stores in my neighborhood and telling them they can't sell cigarettes to me.

1:05:24 Drew I love that. I like that.

1:05:26 Adam That's great. But you know, you'll offer them 50 for a half pack of salums and they'll give in. I know they're unscrupulous.

1:05:34 Caller I have to quit this time. I have to quit. I can't smoke anymore. It's very bad.

1:05:38 Adam All right baby. Is that why you called?

1:05:40 Caller No. I called to talk to Tori.

1:05:42 Adam Here she is.

1:05:42 Caller Hi Tori.

1:05:43 Tori Amos Hi honey. How are you?

1:05:47 Caller I have this theory that there are some songs you just don't play in the United States.

1:05:52 Tori Amos What is it?

1:05:52 Caller Okay. I think that you don't play Playboy Mommy in the United States.

1:05:58 Tori Amos I've played it quite a few times on this tour.

1:06:00 Caller Really?

1:06:01 Tori Amos Yes, I have.

1:06:01 Caller I went to see you at the Beacon Theater in New York in October. But anyway, I was just curious. That was just an example, but I was curious if you think that the fan base or the audiences are different enough so that your set list will vary just based on whether you're...

1:06:21 Drew Between Europe and the United States.

1:06:23 Caller Yeah.

1:06:24 Tori Amos Truthfully, no, I don't do it that way. There are just certain songs that seem to want to... I don't know, don't you feel like with what's going on in the world at any given time, there are certain songs that just resonate more than others at that time. And Playboy Mommy has actually been coming out quite a bit in the last couple of weeks. That's just one of those that... She was a little sleepy in the beginning of the tour and now she's not.

1:06:53 Adam Well, I imagine you'd get... I mean, I don't know, but do you have songs that you really like in certain periods, in certain times, and then other times you're sort of tired of them and want to put them on the shelf for a while?

1:07:09 Tori Amos Yes, but also we're touring after... Our tour started September 28th. And because of September 11th, it's affected everything. And so you find that in different cities, people are coming to the show and working through this in different ways, in different cities, like if you plan New York, it's different than Detroit, it's different than San Francisco, certain cities. You know, they weren't in the trenches. Even though they were horrified, they might be waiting for the other shoe to drop, or they're angry. Whereas when we played New York very soon after that, it was a place of resilience and grieving. And so, yes, it's a different tone. And you're playing to a different need that night. And the set lists change every night, depending on what you're feeling from the city itself.

1:08:11 Drew Tori, in terms of your own personal experience, does being a parent flip you out about what's happening in the world? I mean, I'm completely a mess because of it, and being a parent.

1:08:20 Tori Amos I think that for me, Drew, a scary realization happened, which is, I believe, in a non-violent solution most of the time. And I say most of the time because that's what I've added on. For example, on one hand, I'm a non-violent person, and on another hand, I'm a lioness with a cub. Right. So, if you guys come after my cub, there's no remorse. I'm just going to tear your head off.

1:08:55 Adam Yeah, we're talking about your kid. You don't actually have a cub?

1:09:00 Drew Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I want that on a loop.

1:09:05 Adam Tori used the F word on the air, everybody. All right, sorry. Go ahead. I'm going to screw it up.

1:09:10 Drew But yeah, I mean, that isn't that interesting how, how, and I bet you wouldn't even have known that as clearly about yourself, Tori, not that you have the capacity to say that kind of thing to Adam, that you would be that aggressive in response to a threat until you had a child and until there was a threat.

1:09:25 Tori Amos It's completely instinctive, as you know, Drew, and it's something that you cannot condition. You can't, I can't teach it or tell it. I really can't because it responds. I mean, when I, now, I'm at a place where I don't just trust anybody anymore. I don't have this sort of Disneyland consciousness that every, you know.

1:09:47 Drew But, you mean as a result of September 11th?

1:09:49 Tori Amos Yes.

1:09:50 Drew But before, we live in a different world than we thought we lived in.

1:09:53 Adam But let me just, let me just get this straight. Before September 11th, you would have had, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Before being a mother, you would have had a slightly more sort of pacifist approach to this whole thing. You know what I'm saying?

1:10:09 Tori Amos Yes.

1:10:09 Adam And now, it's like, I got something to protect here. We got to cut the head off this piece before it gets to my child.

1:10:16 Tori Amos Hang on a minute. Now, my reaction to people that just want to massacre people and give clitorectomies and whatever, I just look and say, no, there's not a whole lot to say to you. And I've reached my limit. Now, that doesn't mean that you just go out and start hurting people. But it means that I do have a line and I have a real line. And if you cross that line, then there is a response from a warrior mother.

1:10:55 Adam Well, I'm glad mother effer, as it were. She used the F word, you know. She used the F word at me, Drew.

1:11:03 Drew Did you hear that? Unacceptable. Not in sort of a playful way.

1:11:06 Adam Not in vague terms, no.

1:11:08 Drew No.

1:11:08 Adam That was an attack. More therapy for me.

1:11:12 Drew I was moved. It was great.

1:11:14 Adam Yeah. You should have been here, Drew. You would have loved it. But yeah, listen, I'm glad. I think that this tragedy has turned some pacifist into sort of like realist. That it hasn't necessarily made them violent. But they just realized, look, there's certain things that are evil in the world.

1:11:32 Tori Amos And intolerable.

1:11:33 Adam And hugging that evil is not going to work. It needs to be put down.

1:11:37 Drew It just doesn't.

1:11:38 Adam So that good people can live.

1:11:40 Drew Yes. It's another one of those things. If it did, of course we would do that. It doesn't work.

1:11:45 Adam Right.

1:11:45 Drew I wish it worked.

1:11:46 Adam All right, Drew. Don't freak out over that. Drew, we're going to let Tori go. Any more books she shouldn't read?

1:11:52 Drew She shouldn't read?

1:11:53 Adam Yeah. Anything? What about our book? We wrote a book.

1:11:56 Tori Amos Did the two of you write a book?

1:11:58 Adam We wrote a book and she shouldn't read that?

1:12:01 Drew That's correct.

1:12:01 Adam Okay. There you go. Tori, Tori's got to get up at like five in the morning tomorrow. Okay. You know, she told me to f off. So the honeymoon is over.

1:12:10 Tori Amos Drew, huge, huge hugs to you. And Adam, you were the sweetest, cutest thing.

1:12:17 Adam Oh, God bless you. I love this Tori Amos. I just love her. And it's been way, way too long. So please.

1:12:24 Drew It really has. That's true. Okay, God.

1:12:26 Adam Please whenever you're anywhere near Los Angeles, come see us. And you know what? We could even do like a little phoner thing from England sometime. I don't know what the hell the time, what time it was over there.

1:12:41 Drew We'll be up at 7 in the morning.

1:12:42 Adam I'll be up in the morning. You'll be running around with your youngin. And we'll do a little, tell me to f off over the phone.

1:12:48 Tori Amos Okay, it's a deal.

1:12:49 Adam All right, Tori Amos.

1:12:51 Caller We'll be right back.

1:12:55 Adam Hey, everybody. Loveline. I'm Adam. Dr. Drew in San Diego. Tori has, Tori Amos has left the building. What a, what a great person. Really enjoyed her. Yeah. Sweetheart. Absolute sweetheart. And geez, what a talent, complete bonafide talent that Tori, just her and her piano. That's enough. All right. I think we're going to hear one more, one more song off the CD. Not this second, but I figure we get, we'd talk to Tori as much as we could before she had her split and then we'll play the music later. Courtney.

1:13:32 Caller Hi.

1:13:33 Adam What's up? You're 24.

1:13:34 Caller Well, I just want to say it was great hearing Tori tonight and I'm sorry to have missed her by one, but I still want to ask my question. I wanted to hear what she had to say about it too, but it's unimportant now. I'm engaged and I've had problems with my father my whole life. I've never lived with him. He's been, my mom and dad have been divorced since I was a year. And he's very unimproving of pretty much everything. I mean, when I was going to college, when I said I wanted to go to college, he, you know, laughed at that.

1:14:14 Drew Oh, nice.

1:14:14 Caller Yeah. And now, you know, everyone's thrilled. Everyone's, yay, excited. And he's totally and completely against it.

1:14:23 Drew Everyone's excited about what?

1:14:24 Caller The wedding.

1:14:26 Adam Oh, you're getting married. Yeah.

1:14:27 Drew Didn't she say something about going to college?

1:14:28 Adam Well, she's, when she wanted to go to college.

1:14:31 Caller Just an example.

1:14:32 Adam Right, right.

1:14:33 Caller You know, when I was a piano player, which is, of course, why I love Tori so much. She brought me to so many great artistic levels playing our music, but.

1:14:43 Adam Well, OK.

1:14:44 Caller He was even against that. I mean, he didn't.

1:14:47 Adam OK. But here's the thing, Courtney. Your dad, I got one of those dads too. I got a whole family full of those people. And the problem is, is they don't change. As a matter of fact, they get a little worse as the years wear on. They're like old cars. They get a little rustier every year. And you get a little more frustrated trying to get them to be away that they're not going to be and that they never were.

1:15:13 Caller And more and more removed and more and more removed.

1:15:17 Caller And I feel like I'm in the middle. I'm 24 years old and I'm in the middle of my mother and my father still. And they were never even together. My mom wants, you know, his money.

1:15:28 Adam Well, how's your mom as far as this stuff goes, as far as approval goes?

1:15:32 Caller My mom is like a goddess.

1:15:34 Adam Okay.

1:15:34 Caller She is amazing.

1:15:35 Adam All right. But so understand what your dad's capable of and what your mom's capable of. And you're going to constantly be disappointed if you constantly keep going at your dad trying to get something that he's never going to give you. So you've got to let it go.

1:15:50 Caller It's hard.

1:15:50 Adam I know.

1:15:51 Caller It's hard not, I mean, that you want that approval.

1:15:54 Adam I know, but you can get that through other people who can give it to you. He can't give it to you.

1:16:00 Caller I understand. It's just, you know, and I've got my mother on one side who is, you know, wanting me to ask him for help. And he...

1:16:08 Drew Yeah, there's something wrong with mom too, by the way.

1:16:11 Adam Yeah, what's up with her and the gold digging going on?

1:16:14 Drew Yeah.

1:16:14 Caller Well, it's not that. It's just the financial burden that she's had to bear. I mean, she was a single mother. And she was... My whole life, she never asked him for anything because she never wanted to create a conflict in front of me. And it wasn't until I was over age and in college that she started voicing, like, her, you know, real feelings about it. And it's funny because... I don't know if I'm supposed to be able to handle it now, but I feel more burdened by it now as an adult.

1:16:46 Adam Well, what... Let's just get to the prom here in terms of, do you need money now?

1:16:54 Caller Well, for the wedding.

1:16:55 Adam Well, and...

1:16:55 Caller That's what she's talking about. And my stepmother, you know, my father's wife...

1:17:01 Drew Just know, if you start doing that with your dad, it's going to come with a price tag that you're going to have to pay.

1:17:05 Caller Oh, I don't even want any of it.

1:17:07 Drew Yeah, so why don't you have a smaller wedding? Why don't you just... Why don't you even elope? Why don't you do something that's really... I can't do that.

1:17:13 Caller No, why don't you...

1:17:15 Drew Well, Courtney, you...

1:17:16 Caller Oh, now that...

1:17:17 Drew Alright, there you go. Here we go.

1:17:21 Adam You know what? We run into this all the time where one parent's the devil and the other's the saint. It's not...

1:17:28 Drew Never that.

1:17:28 Adam The more you talk to somebody, the more you sort of realize they're both more... A little more toward the center than they are polar opposites.

1:17:38 Drew More than often than not, two sides of the same coin is really what it is.

1:17:42 Adam And I'll tell you why. It's not a coincidence because saints don't marry and have children with devils.

1:17:48 Drew That's right.

1:17:49 Adam That's how you know.

1:17:50 Drew And Courtney needs to understand that what mom needs is not necessarily what Courtney needs. And as difficult as it is to deal with dad, it's equally as hard for her to assert herself to mom.

1:18:03 Adam Right.

1:18:03 Drew And if it means standing up to her and not having a big wedding or having something that is genuinely about Courtney and not about mom, it's your her wedding, Courtney, not your mom's. And yes, it may be tough for your mom, but that's her. She'll survive. She'll deal with it. Do what you need to do, Courtney, for yourself.

1:18:19 Adam Tina? Oh.

1:18:22 Drew Oh, sorry.

1:18:22 Adam What you do to Tina?

1:18:24 Drew Oh, hold on.

1:18:24 Adam Oh, Drew.

1:18:26 Drew Tina?

1:18:26 Caller Hello?

1:18:27 Adam Oh, thank goodness. How about that? I'd never want to talk to someone so badly in my life, Tina.

1:18:32 Caller Adam?

1:18:33 Adam Yes.

1:18:33 Caller Oh, my God.

1:18:34 Adam It's me. I looked up at the screen and I said, someone's getting married in prison and I wet myself. I said, this is someone I need to speak to.

1:18:46 Drew Is that you?

1:18:46 Adam Now, the screen is empty, Tina, but who's getting married in prison?

1:18:49 Caller My mom is marrying an inmate.

1:18:53 Drew Oh, my.

1:18:54 Adam Dynamite.

1:18:55 Caller And she wants me to go and I've been torn on this for months.

1:18:58 Drew How did she meet him?

1:18:59 Caller I really wanted to talk to Tori, but I love you guys, too.

1:19:02 Adam Okay.

1:19:03 Drew How did she meet him? Huh? How did she meet him?

1:19:08 Caller She's had a long line of relationships. She's had like four relationships with guys in prison. She's got like the old friends from the old bad friends from the old bad days that have friends in prison and then like their boyfriend said, hey, can you write to this guy? Because blah, blah, blah.

1:19:26 Drew Was her dad an ex-con or something?

1:19:28 Caller Huh?

1:19:28 Drew Was her dad in prison or something?

1:19:31 Caller Oh, no, just um...

1:19:33 Drew Where did she get this whole prison thing?

1:19:34 Caller Okay, let me see. The first part that started, she actually went to prison a long time ago and she met this guy on the way to prison and he was going to prison too and they became boyfriend and girlfriend and he ended up...

1:19:45 Drew It's possibly a fairy tale, Adam.

1:19:46 Adam Yeah.

1:19:47 Drew It's like on the way to grandma's house and they were going to prison together.

1:19:50 Adam Yeah, so they skipped off to prison. But then the big bad man came up behind him with handcuffs. Jesus Christ.

1:19:59 Caller Yeah, so they were pen pals and then she got out and she waited for him for like nine years and he got out and screwed the little girl that was staying with my mom and got her pregnant. Now she's had various different boyfriends in prison and now she's finally going to marry this one.

1:20:13 Adam Okay. What's this guy in prison for? Murder. How much longer does this guy have in prison?

1:20:23 Caller Okay. He's supposed to have life, but she's doing some stuff to try to get him out. Oh, yeah.

1:20:30 Adam No, it's important that he F somebody else's kid once he gets on the outside or put a shiv.

1:20:36 Caller Oh, that was a different one, but who knows.

1:20:37 Adam Right, right.

1:20:37 Drew This one just goes right in and kills him.

1:20:39 Adam This one will kill him after he rapes him.

1:20:42 Caller Supposedly it was some drug deal problem and he accidentally shot the drug dealer or something. I don't know.

1:20:47 Drew Oh, yeah, yeah. He fell on his gun.

1:20:50 Caller He told her, so who he knows.

1:20:51 Adam Well, where are you calling from, by the way? What prison you got over there?

1:20:58 Caller Oh, he is in Corcoran, which is like four hours away from here. He goes and drives and visits him and stuff.

1:21:05 Adam Dynamite. Once they get married, will they have conjugal visits?

1:21:10 Caller Every six to eight weeks, they'll have three days in a trailer. That's what I said. I'm like, what is it, like the boneyard visits, mom?

1:21:19 Adam Oh, yeah. Let me go off on...

1:21:22 Drew I feel like I'm going to fly on the wall.

1:21:23 Adam Let me go off on just a miniature jag here for just one second while I'm outraged, okay? I've said this before. I cannot believe that murderers get to get married from within prison and then have conjugal visits. Ted Bundy has a kid. Ted Bundy, after attacking 14-year-old girls with pliers and being on death row for 10 years, sired a kid from inside of prison. Ted Bundy has a 21 or 22 or some age like that chick running around that is his daughter, okay? Tex Watkins, after going into Sharon Tate's home and stabbing her numerous times with her, you know, in nine months, nine months pregnant and then going into the LaBianca's house and killing that family, sired, I think, three kids from inside of the prison before we were smart enough to, oh wait, we didn't put him down actually, he's still around, okay. So Ted Bundy, Ted Bundy went down but he's not. Why you get to have kids from inside prison is well beyond me as a taxpayer. And can't we agree that maybe your genes aren't exactly prime stock? Do you know what I'm saying? You pick it, nature or nurture, either angle, either road you want to go down, you have saw fit to go into a couple of people's houses and torture them and kill them. Maybe that's not the kind of seed that we need passed on. I know it seems way out there, Drew, and it seems like radical or wellian thinking. But call me a Nazi. That's just the way I think. I believe you lose certain rights when you kill people and are incarcerated. And I think we all understand that as a society. That's why you're in prison. You can't just walk out. You can't go bang your girlfriend. You can't go down a liquor store and get a six pack. You've killed somebody. You've lost rights. Now you get to get married and have conjugal visits. And we'll pay for the laundering done on the sheets after you drop your wad on it in the little trailer. You get to bang the bejesus out of the crazy woman who thought it would be a great idea to marry you from. So then you get her pregnant. Now what do you got? You got a dad who's in prison for murder who can never possibly be involved with this child's life emotionally and certainly not financially because he's getting 63 cents a day for weaving baskets in there. And you got a mom raising this child, a single mom, who absolutely is so mentally unstable that she hooked up with a murder in prison and decided to marry him. Now what do we got? We can't, there's at no point, we can't say no. But you understand, I get a parking ticket that I don't pay. I can't register my vehicle. We say no to that all the time. I have no difficulty saying no for millions of things in this society. But we somehow can't say no to the part where insane people want to have offspring.

1:24:46 Caller Why is that?

1:24:47 Adam Why is that so sacred to us as a society? Is it that important that the criminally insane have kids from within the prison walls? Do we really need that? Let's just all close our eyes and imagine a world without the criminally insane reproducing from inside of prison walls. Better or worse? It seems better to me. Yes, that's right. Now, we'll spend 10 million trying to get Kvorkian locked up.

1:25:16 Caller He has no rights.

1:25:17 Adam The dying people, no rights. The guy swallowing his own spit in advanced stages of Lou Gehrig's disease. He cannot take his own life in a dignified way. Oh, no. You're playing God. We can't do that. But if you want to sit inside prison and bang an insane woman you met on the internet, that's perfectly fine. We can't stop you from doing that. We can't play God. We don't have the right to tell you what to do. We can tell you we can kill you. Why can't we tell you not to F insane women?

1:25:48 Caller We got Death Row.

1:25:50 Adam That seems like we're taking away a few rights when we kill you. Isn't it?

1:25:55 Caller I mean when we killed Ted Bundy.

1:25:57 Adam Doesn't that seem like the ultimate denial of rights, the right to live? But yet we could not tell him he couldn't get married and sire kids while he was on appeal in Death Row. And imagine the parents of these people he tortured. This guy is in prison. Ted Bundy tortured 20 women, maybe 40, who the hell knows? And not a bunch of prostitutes, a bunch of 14 year old school girls. And now he's banging the bejesus out of somebody in prison on the bed we're paying for?

1:26:30 Caller I'm outraged.

1:26:32 Adam And I won't take it anymore. Now where's the outrage? How come no one talks about this? Where are those pussy politicians on these issues?

1:26:40 Drew It gets even deeper. How about the kids whose father is Ted Bundy, they're genetic loading, and the system kills their dad?

1:26:47 Adam Yeah. And let me float this one too. All you left-wing, bleeding liberals, you big pussies who don't have the balls to throw the switch, I hope this kid grows up and kills your kid. And then we'll see where you're at with all this. All right, anyway, go to the wedding and where's he registered? Where's he registered? Like in the mess hall? Where do you register when you get married in prison? Like a guard tower? He's registered in the activity, like in the court, courtyard or something. Okay. And who shows up? Like the Crips and the Bloods and the Arian Brotherhood? All right. Is that long enough, Drew?

1:27:35 Drew That was long enough. We need to play another Tori Amos song, don't we?

1:27:37 Adam Yeah, we'll take a little break. We'll be back with a Tori Amos song after this. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Tori Amos is left the building. And I wanted to mention something that I'd forgotten to mention, which is The Family Guy. As you know, if you listen to this show, my absolute favorite show on TV, besides, Drew, what show were you doing, The View? Very funny. Tricker from Mars. The point is, is I love this show. I think it's really funny and really brilliant, and it's kind of on the cusp. It may stay and it may go. And it's important that everyone go out and support the stuff that's really good out there. And it would break my heart if this show left the airs. So it's on tomorrow night on Fox. I think it's on at 8 o'clock. It could be on at 9 o'clock. Check your local listings because they brought it back, and I'm not sure. But I think 8 o'clock on Fox. The Family Guy, if you haven't seen it, definitely check it out. It is a great show. All right, Drew, let's go through some more calls here.

1:28:52 Drew Oh, I thought you were going to go to Song.

1:28:53 Adam Well, I talked too much, and now we got to go to Calls. Thank you.

1:28:58 Drew All right.

1:28:59 Adam Chris?

1:29:00 Caller Yes.

1:29:01 Adam 22. You're a law student.

1:29:04 Caller I am indeed.

1:29:05 Adam And you want to give the elements of rape.

1:29:07 Caller Yeah, you guys pretty much had it. First, there has to be sexual intercourse, which can be anything from any kind of penetration, anal or vaginal, however slight. And most courts have said that oral to genital contact or oral to anal contact.

1:29:25 Adam Oh, oral to anal. Yeah. That's interesting.

1:29:28 Drew Good times.

1:29:28 Adam Good times.

1:29:31 Caller And there has to be some kind of force, which can be any kind of violence or implied violence, implied future violence, violence to another person, any kind of menacing, anything like that.

1:29:43 Adam So lack of consent is not enough. I mean, if the person passes out and you put your penis in their mouth.

1:29:51 Caller Yeah. That's another one. If the person is unconscious at the time of the act or...

1:29:55 Adam Damn.

1:29:56 Caller If the person is prevented from resisting because they are intoxicated in some way.

1:30:02 Adam I see.

1:30:02 Drew That's in California, right?

1:30:04 Caller Exactly. Or if the person is incapable because of a mental disorder or develop...

1:30:08 Caller My God, I'm being raped!

1:30:09 Caller Help!

1:30:12 Adam I don't know where Anderson even got that. All right. Anything else?

1:30:17 Caller Let's see. Well, there's interesting ones in California. Like if you convince the victim that you are their spouse and then have sex with them because they think you're yourself, that's rape.

1:30:28 Adam So you mean if you got like a retarded guy or girl and convince them?

1:30:34 Caller Well, you would think they would have to be retarded.

1:30:36 Drew Like if...

1:30:36 Caller I suppose...

1:30:37 Drew No, it's like if you're married to identical twins and one of the twins came home.

1:30:40 Adam Oh, right. Or like they were in bed and you came in late night and said, hey baby, and you kept the light off and humped them and they thought you were their husband.

1:30:49 Drew That's right.

1:30:49 Adam Interesting. Exactly.

1:30:51 Caller And Drew was right. If there isn't penetration, it's usually sexual assault.

1:30:55 Adam Right. Oh, well good times, Chris. Have fun bilking the public out of their hard-earned money.

1:31:03 Drew Oh, I will.

1:31:05 Adam I take care of that.

1:31:06 Drew Didn't we have some other legal issue we were talking about a few minutes ago? No. All right.

1:31:10 Adam All right. Let's get one more in here, Drew.

1:31:13 Drew Paula?

1:31:14 Caller Yes?

1:31:14 Adam 21, you want to know if there's such a thing as a nocturnal groping?

1:31:18 Caller Yeah. I've been on hold an hour and a half just waiting for you guys to talk about this. My boyfriend has told me, like, it happened a couple times, like we'll stay the night together and things like that, and he'll wake up the next morning and he'll be like, you know, can't I grop me in the middle of the night last night? And I'm like, what are you talking about? He'll be like, well, you were laying, and next thing I know, I feel a hand on something. You're passed out, so I don't know if there's such a thing.

1:31:46 Adam You did it to him?

1:31:47 Caller Yeah.

1:31:48 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:31:49 Caller I was dead asleep.

1:31:50 Adam Happens all the time.

1:31:51 Drew We hear about it, yeah, we've had a fair amount. Some people even go so far as having sex and wake up in the middle of the act.

1:31:57 Adam Right.

1:31:58 Drew Okay, Paula?

1:31:59 Adam Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It means you got a good, healthy libido and you're in love.

1:32:06 Caller Okay. Right?

1:32:07 Adam There's nothing wrong with that.

1:32:08 Drew What a relief.

1:32:09 Adam You're fine. We get this question a lot. I can never figure out why it's a question even.

1:32:16 Drew Why it's a deal, yeah.

1:32:17 Adam Well, why you would even ask. It's like saying, I keep a glass of water by the side of my bed and sometimes I drink out of it in the middle of the night but I don't remember. Right. Is that a problem? No, you know there's water on your nightstand and you get dry mouth in the middle of the night. You know there's a naked person lying next to you. You'll hit it. I mean that's the way it works and until you get older and then it's like you wish it go away. All right. We'll take ourselves a little bit of a break and we'll be right on. There you go. That is it. I want to thank Tori Amos for coming in here tonight and being so compelling as usual. We gotta get her back again. Yeah. It's been a few years. So we'd like to. You know, she's living in England. So I say we just call her in nine months and do a little phone her. Strange Little Girls is the name of her latest CD. Get out there and support her. Again, the Family Guy on tomorrow night on Fox. Love that show. Support that show, everybody. I will cry if that goes off the air. Unacceptable. There he is. And until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

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