Episode 1000740369827

0:04 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Loveline starts now.

0:21 Voiceover That's right, I'm Dr. Drew, the phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. This is Loveline and in-studio A-F-I. Hi, David Havoc, Jade Puget, guys. Not yet. Get them on those mics. I guess we had a few technical difficulties.

0:38 Oh, really?

0:40 Drew Am I on the air?

0:41 AFI Hello.

0:43 Drew There we go. Hey, guys. Hey, Drew. Thanks for joining us.

0:47 AFI Thanks for having us.

0:48 Drew Are you guys on tour now or what's happening?

0:50 AFI We've been making a record for about 13 years.

0:53 AFI Nice.

0:54 AFI We're still in the process of that. We're here in Hollywood. We have been for a while, 13 years approximately.

1:00 Drew But the new one, Sing the Sorrow, is the one that everyone knows right now.

1:03 AFI Yeah, that was during our time that we spent together, you and us.

1:09 Drew You guys are from Ukiah?

1:10 AFI Is that what it's called?

1:11 AFI Well, we grew up there, but...

1:14 Drew Where is that?

1:16 AFI That's about two hours north of San Francisco, but we live in the Bay Area now.

1:22 AFI We started in Ukiah in 1991, the band formed there in 1991. And then in 1993, we moved to Berkeley, and we've been based out of Berkeley ever since.

1:31 Drew I'm more interested in Ukiah.

1:34 AFI There's definitely more to learn. I mean, it's less known than Berkeley. It's a valley town.

1:38 AFI Some mini trucks there, you know?

1:41 Drew El Caminos. El Caminos.

1:43 AFI Oh, definitely.

1:44 Drew Have you seen My Name is Earl?

1:46 AFI No. No?

1:48 Drew I'm just imagining a lot of people like his ex-wife on that, in and around where you live.

1:52 AFI It's agriculture. There's hippies and hicks.

1:55 AFI I had a friend named Earl that actually is from Ukiah.

1:57 Drew Nice.

1:58 AFI Yeah. You know, it's funny you should mention movies, though, because you remember the 80s movie, Dragnet, with Dan Aykroyd?

2:06 Drew Yes.

2:07 AFI They named Czech Ukiah in that. Which is actually then sampled on AFI's second 7-inch behind-the-time deep discography.

2:16 AFI Nice.

2:17 AFI Which you can hear the sample where it says, you know, like, what happened to John? John bought a goat farm, moved to Ukiah. And when you saw that movie in Ukiah...

2:27 AFI That was Harry Morgan talking to.

2:29 AFI It was it? Yes, yes, it was.

2:30 AFI TV's Mash.

2:31 Drew You guys were very excited when you were in Ukiah. That was said.

2:34 AFI The theater cheered. It was amazing. It was Ukiah's moment of glory. It did, really. Other than that, there's not much that Ukiah is known for. Jim Jones was pretty close to there with the Kulah. No kidding.

2:47 AFI His church was actually in the Ukiah Valley, his original church.

2:51 Drew That's interesting.

2:52 AFI And my uncle was actually not really a member, but he kind of like, let's say, kicked it with him.

2:57 AFI He stirred the Kulah.

2:59 Drew Wow, that's incredible.

3:01 AFI Yeah, and actually my friend Charlie Manson, when he was hitchhiking down through Northern California, fixed my friend's grandma's fence. It was kind of like day labor style.

3:12 AFI Oh my God.

3:14 Drew So basically we should be avoiding Ukiah.

3:16 AFI But there's some pretty innocent stuff.

3:17 AFI I think the cult's out of there. I think the Mooneys, too, were in that area in the 70s.

3:22 AFI And the whole poly class thing, I'm sure you remember that. That was 20 minutes away from where we lived. Oh, no kidding, oh my goodness. That was sketchy. We used to drive to shows. I remember we had to drive from Ukiah to Berkeley to the Bay Area and San Francisco to see shows every weekend, which was like a two hour drive. I remember thinking we had driven by... This is not a happy topic.

3:45 AFI I don't want to talk about this anymore.

3:46 Drew Let us switch topics. Now I went on your website. I went on your website. It's a very cool sort of home page. And then it says visit the old website, which was also awesome. Why is there a new website?

3:56 AFI Oh, thanks.

3:57 AFI Well, the old one was kind of been around since the last record. And the new one with like the white and the fog, that's a temporary site until our record comes out. And then we'll have even a third newer one that you can visit because I know that you sit on our message board when you're not on the radio. Me, me, me. Yes, yes, you, you, Drew.

4:13 Drew Yes, yes. My screen name is I Love AFR.

4:18 AFI Your name is like XDrew22X.

4:22 AFI You're Shadad, right, Drew?

4:23 Drew DR000. All right, well, David Havoc, Jbeauty, they are AFR. Let's get some calls here. There's a question right for you guys to begin with. Doreen is 19.

4:32 AFI Hi. Hi, Doreen.

4:34 AFI Hello.

4:35 AFI I just wanted to let you guys know, David and Jbeauty, I love AFR, like it's my life. You guys mean so much to me.

4:42 AFI Thank you.

4:44 Drew Oh, Doreen, you're the one I talk to on the message board all the time.

4:48 AFI Is that you?

4:49 AFI I don't think so.

4:51 AFI Oh, so he was 18 years old?

4:54 AFI Actually, I'm on your top 8. I'm Midnight Runner. I'm the girl that's standing with the big A.

5:01 AFI I put you on there.

5:02 AFI Really?

5:02 AFI Thank you.

5:03 AFI That means so much to me.

5:04 AFI I freaked out.

5:04 AFI Do you have tattoos?

5:07 AFI No, I don't.

5:10 AFI I do.

5:12 AFI I paint them on though. They're Hannah.

5:14 Drew And laser them off. All right, let's go to Anita who is 27.

5:19 Caller Hi.

5:20 Drew Anita, what's up? You're on with AFI.

5:23 Caller Hi.

5:24 Drew Hi.

5:24 AFI How are you doing?

5:25 Caller Good.

5:28 AFI I've been having problems in my relationship.

5:32 Drew You've come to the right place.

5:33 AFI Yes.

5:34 Drew But you need to speak up and tell us what it is you'd like to talk about.

5:38 AFI Oh.

5:39 Is this David Loveline?

5:41 Drew Yes.

5:41 AFI Yes, this is Loveline. Are you going to shower?

5:43 AFI I'm looking in the bathroom.

5:44 AFI Yeah. Are you in the kitchen?

5:47 AFI I'm in my room.

5:49 AFI Is your room tiled?

5:51 AFI No.

5:51 AFI I was in the bathroom. I'm in my room.

5:53 AFI Thank you. Thank you. I knew it.

5:55 AFI I called it.

5:58 AFI Here we go, Anita.

5:58 AFI I've been having problems in my relationship.

6:01 Drew What kind of problems? What's going on?

6:03 AFI Here we go. Okay.

6:04 AFI Well, last week, my boyfriend's royal sister brought me over to the house. And he was just getting home from work and this girl dropped him off. And he swore that he like said that he wasn't going to hang around with her. I didn't even tell him that, like he didn't have to hang out with her or anything. But he didn't. And so, yeah, she dropped him off and then we go and have sex and after we're done, he tells me that he thinks she's fallen in love with someone else and for that girl and I guess she works with him or whatever.

6:40 Drew That's a shame. That's bad. That's the end of that, right?

6:43 AFI Well, yeah. Well, and so I was all broken hearted and everything and then he all called me back and told me he wants me back.

6:50 He doesn't want her and he wants me back.

6:52 Drew No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Don't play that game. Come on. By the way, you're 27. You're 14. Let's go. How long have you been with this guy?

6:59 Caller Three years.

7:01 AFI This is the first time he's ever done anything like this.

7:04 Drew Let me broken up.

7:08 AFI Well, we met in rehab.

7:11 Drew What's your better choice?

7:13 AFI What?

7:14 Drew Well, first of all, you know you're not supposed to form relationships for the first year of recovery. The only kinds of relationships that come out of treatment for chemical dependency are basically hostage relationships. They're life preservers. They don't work. Either you both get loaded again or the relationship doesn't work. That's basically only two choices.

7:33 AFI Yeah.

7:34 Drew Which one we got here, both? You're loaded and the relationship isn't working?

7:37 AFI Well, we're both clean right now. He did a year in Joe and I just spent six months and we're both clean right now. I mean, like chemical use and stuff.

7:50 Drew How often do you go to meetings?

7:52 AFI I went to one tonight.

7:53 Drew Are you a Mormon?

7:55 AFI Yeah, I'm LDS. I mean, yeah, I was born and raised.

7:59 Caller Thanks, Anderson.

8:00 Drew Are you the AFI that wasn't made out of tape of me Anderson drops in? Are you?

8:05 AFI How did that work?

8:06 AFI I know. I was like, that's amazing.

8:07 AFI Well, Drew, how did you know that? How could you hear the Mormon in the mirror voice?

8:11 Drew It never fails. People always answer that tape. What were you drug of choice, Anita?

8:17 AFI I was on meth really bad.

8:19 Drew Methamphetamine. You're not even smoking pot. You're not drinking or doing anything right now.

8:22 AFI I drink occasionally.

8:24 Drew All right. So you're not sober. Do you have a sponsor currently?

8:27 Caller No. All right.

8:28 Drew So you're not even in the program. So you get yourself a sponsor. Come on, get yourself a sponsor. Start the step work. Stop using drugs and alcohol and follow your sponsor's direction. Do not focus on this relationship. You have a life threatening condition. Focus on that. Another AFI question. This is 16. Carolina.

8:46 Caller Hi. I wanted to know.

8:48 Caller I'm a really big fan of you guys.

8:50 Thank you.

8:50 Caller And my first video I heard you was actually on the Tony Hawk video game.

8:55 Okay.

8:56 AFI But I was wondering, you guys never tour in Arizona.

8:59 And I used to live in Florida.

9:01 Caller But I couldn't go to concerts because my mom wouldn't let me. So I've moved here and you guys don't come. Do you think you'd be touring here when your new album comes out?

9:08 AFI Did you move to Arizona specifically to see us?

9:11 Caller No. We moved because we have family down here.

9:14 AFI Okay. That's a better reason.

9:16 AFI It would have been a good place to move to see us though. Because in reality we have to say there are a lot.

9:19 AFI We do. It's just when our new record comes out, which is going to be after the first of the year, sometime in the spring, let's say. We're going to be touring in the US a lot, so we'll definitely be in Arizona.

9:31 Drew He's going to headline? He's going to tour with somebody else? How's that going to work?

9:35 AFI Probably headline.

9:36 Drew I mean you guys by yourselves?

9:40 AFI We'll bring some people with us.

9:42 Drew We don't know.

9:42 AFI We have no idea who he has.

9:43 Drew No idea yet.

9:44 AFI No.

9:45 AFI We'll be there though.

9:46 Drew Carolina, you have plenty of chance to see him, all right?

9:48 Caller I'd be totally awesome because my friends and I go to concerts every freaking weekend.

9:53 Oh good, it's the freaking weekend. Oh yay, thanks.

9:55 AFI Oh yay, oh yay.

9:57 AFI We'll see you in Arizona.

9:59 Drew This went quickly. Matt 20. Matt?

10:03 Hey Drew.

10:04 Drew Hey Matt, what's up? You're on with AFI.

10:06 AFI Hey Matt.

10:07 All right, about eight months ago I had a hernia and I had that removed. Yeah? Well, like right after the surgery I noticed that my left testicle was like higher up in my scrotum than my right testicle and I was wondering if there's some problems or if I should use the left testicle.

10:27 AFI So is mine, Drew.

10:28 Drew Yours is too?

10:29 AFI Yeah.

10:29 Drew Isn't that normal? We're going to send you to the hospital right now. No, it is normal, yes. Plus, when they have to do the surgery, they can tack things down a little bit so they don't quite hang as loosely as they did before. It's fine. It's normal. It's normal for there to be a different position, a different hang, different size. That's normal. What do you guys want to tell me? What do you got?

10:46 AFI I have a question for you, Drew.

10:48 Drew Yeah.

10:48 AFI Can I ask you this? I was talking to my friend who was talking about getting a sex change and he was talking about how they can do the whole snip-tuck-roll thing but be fully functional.

11:02 Drew To make him a woman?

11:04 AFI To be fully functional, not to reproduce but as far as orgasms go and sensation and all that and someone was kicking some realistics about stomach lying.

11:12 AFI You know so many people right now are going like oh a friend.

11:16 AFI My friend who wants to be a girl.

11:22 Drew You know there is a book there, Michelle, hand it to me.

11:25 AFI The book is in Jade's hand. It's very horrifying.

11:28 AFI This is amazing.

11:30 Drew This is how they do those procedures. Yes, there is obviously some function there but I've not dealt with a lot of these people. I've met a number of them and I've had a number of them in the hospital over the years and they seem, they report that they are happy with the function.

11:46 AFI Wow, so that's actually true. You can have like an orgasm with your girl gear.

11:50 Drew With your limited penis.

11:52 AFI And as I pointed out.

11:53 Drew Leftover penis I think we call it.

11:55 AFI Without the, so you're a girl but you don't have the misery of the cramping once a month.

12:01 Caller That's right.

12:01 Drew It's the best way to be a girl. You don't have two excrements. You don't have a penis.

12:05 Caller You don't have a penis.

12:06 Drew You don't have a penis.

12:08 AFI I think we should go right to the menopause then.

12:11 Drew Dan16, what's up Dan?

12:12 Hey, what's up guys? I just want to say hi to AFI. Hey Dan.

12:15 Hey, I'm on your message board.

12:17 Just, they're a faction to everything. Huge fan of you guys.

12:19 AFI Thank you so much.

12:20 You inspired me to start a hardcore punk band of myself.

12:23 AFI Great.

12:24 So I was just wondering about the new album. If there's going to be any kind of guest vocalist.

12:29 Nick Thirteen, anything of that sort?

12:31 AFI Nick Thirteen is all over it. He does backing vocals probably on every song.

12:35 AFI He and Dan from Day of Contempt are on virtually every song in the act together. They're a great team.

12:41 AFI Yeah. Like our backing vocal, the shouts and stuff.

12:45 AFI We've got some Bleeding Through, we've got some 18 Visions, some Throwdown, or X Throwdown.

12:53 Drew Are you going to sort of float any balloons, any sample songs or singles or anything before you start?

12:59 AFI Check out that Linga float a balloon.

13:00 Drew Yeah, that's what politicians do.

13:04 AFI They float balloons.

13:05 Anything like that?

13:08 AFI We don't have.

13:09 AFI We're going to drop a balloon.

13:13 AFI We're going to float it. Man, that's all.

13:16 AFI Yeah, I'm sure that.

13:17 Drew We're getting into the potty humor here now, guys. No, no, no.

13:19 AFI I didn't mean that.

13:20 AFI You put this penis book in front of us.

13:22 Drew I know. It's wild. Look at the part there where they...

13:24 AFI This is pretty intense.

13:25 AFI Yeah, yeah.

13:26 Drew Look at the part where they rebuild the penis out of somebody's forearm. That's very... Wow. No, they do. Find it. Amber 18.

13:33 Hi. Amber. Hello.

13:36 AFI Hello.

13:37 Drew You're on day five.

13:37 AFI I'm one of your biggest fans.

13:40 AFI Oh, thank you.

13:43 AFI Um, okay. I'm 18 and my boyfriend is 30.

13:48 Drew Oh.

13:49 AFI And, well, we went to the concert. We've been together for eight months. And we went to the concert on Saturday night. And we usually only really talk to each other like seriously once a week.

14:04 AFI Do you see each other more than that? Any friend from speaking?

14:08 AFI No.

14:09 Where does he live?

14:11 AFI He lives in Dayton.

14:14 Drew I'm confused. You see him once a week?

14:18 AFI Yes. And, yeah.

14:20 Drew And that's all who wants? That's how often he wants to see you or how often you want to see him? I don't understand.

14:24 AFI I want to see him more but, you know, I understand that he's really busy because he has a job and everything.

14:31 AFI And some other girlfriends.

14:34 Drew Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

14:37 So, what is he doing Amber?

14:38 AFI Amber, does he tell you that you're his exclusive girlfriend?

14:41 AFI He tells me that I'm his favorite and I'm his number one.

14:45 AFI It's nice to be number one though.

14:47 Drew That's brutal Amber. That's brutal. Why are you putting up with this?

14:51 AFI Because he tells me that I'm beautiful and that I'm special to him.

14:58 Drew And nobody else tells you that? Do your parents ever tell you that? That's really sad.

15:02 No.

15:04 AFI My parents are both alcoholics.

15:06 Drew Yeah, I'm sure. And this guy is no charmer either.

15:13 AFI No, he's made me feel really good about myself. He's really the first man that I can take my clothes off and find out without turning the lights off.

15:23 Drew That's good but I'm not sure you've chosen the right guy to have that kind of feeling about because.

15:28 AFI Well, this is my problem.

15:30 AFI We went to a mudvane concert on Saturday night the 26th of November. And I haven't seen or talked to him since. And it's now what, Thursday? And he hasn't called me and both his phones had been shut off. And I called his sister in the middle of the week or last Saturday. And I told her that I haven't talked to him in a week. And I just wanted to know what was going on. And she said that both his numbers had been changed and he hasn't called me since Saturday.

16:01 Drew He's a loser. Amber, come on. He's a 30 year old guy dating an 18 year old. Please come on. And he's dating a bunch of them and he's making you, you know, stringing you along with a bunch of platitudes that mean nothing and treating you like crap and now disappearing. To me this disappearing act is totally consistent with who this guy is. I'm sorry. I'm glad you derived something positive from the relationship. Now move on. Gentlemen, you agree?

16:23 AFI I agree with Drew.

16:25 AFI I think he's a very sage man in this advice.

16:27 Drew Thank you. Vanessa, 19, proper English way to say it. That's good. We know what you meant. Vanessa?

16:32 Caller Yeah?

16:33 Drew Going on there. You're on with AFI, 1-800-LOVE-191.

16:36 AFI What's up?

16:38 Caller First off, I just want to say I'm a huge fan of AFI.

16:41 Drew Thank you, Vanessa.

16:41 Caller Okay. I have a problem. Okay. I've been with my boyfriend Pablo for two months already.

16:48 Drew Pablo?

16:49 Caller Yeah. My boyfriend Pablo. He wants to have sex, which I have no problem with whatsoever. But he wants to have sex in cemeteries and morgues and stuff like that and it creeps me out and I don't know what to do about it.

17:04 Drew Don't you always do that?

17:05 Caller What?

17:06 Drew Don't you always do that? Doesn't everybody do that?

17:08 AFI I was going to say, that's not that big a deal. Give the guy a break.

17:13 Caller But I don't know because it really, really creeps me out and I've never done that before. And I'm a virgin, so I don't know.

17:22 Drew No. Here's the answer. No. You're in charge. You're the one that's deciding whether or not you guys are going to have sex.

17:27 Caller You can also decide where.

17:29 AFI Yeah, you shouldn't do anything that creeps you out, right?

17:31 AFI I look on the rules.

17:32 AFI Yeah, Pablo is... Me and Pablo can hang out. Pablo, can I have Pablo's number?

17:39 Caller I don't know.

17:40 AFI Vanessa, there's a little bit of...

17:42 Drew You know the international rules on bogosity. There's a little bit of a bogus quality to this call. Are you bogus?

17:47 AFI Bogosity?

17:47 Drew Come on.

17:48 AFI You did that because you knew I was going to say something about it, didn't you?

17:52 Drew No, it just sounds bogus to me.

17:54 AFI I think she just said yes.

17:56 AFI She's totally floating a bogosity balloon on us.

17:59 Drew It's a good call, but it's bogus. No, I'm serious.

18:03 Caller Alright.

18:04 Drew Well, listen, back to what I said.

18:06 Caller Pablo has a head in his aquarium.

18:09 Drew I know. Well, we had a call once. Listen to this gentleman. You'll appreciate this. We had a guy who called up and said, he doesn't understand why women freak out so much when they find out what he was in jail for. We said, you mean that you're in jail? No, no, no. What I was in jail for? What were you in jail for? Well, I stole a head. He broke into a mausoleum and twisted a head off a lady and took it home as a decoration for his snake's aquarium. Wow, a pivotal point that you decided.

18:38 Caller I don't want to be a head.

18:40 Drew That's a human head.

18:41 I was thinking of like a decoration for an aquarium.

18:46 Caller Oh my God.

18:47 Drew Yes, that was him.

18:49 AFI Did you buy it? You think that was real?

18:51 Drew No, no. Oh, yeah. We talked to him for quite a while. All of his siblings, his mom, was in jail. That was already found. He'd been beaten. It was a mess. Couldn't you tell by the quality of his voice?

19:03 AFI Yeah, you could hear it. In the words of our Orange Family friends, that is gnarly.

19:09 Drew So what Anderson is suggesting, Vanessa, is maybe that was Pablo talking to us.

19:14 Caller I don't know. I doubt it because I don't think he's ever called a Loveline.

19:17 Drew No, and never stole a head either, right?

19:19 AFI The head party did, but he never called a Loveline.

19:21 AFI The head is believable.

19:22 Drew It's a possibility with Pablo.

19:24 All right, so there's a separation for an aquarium.

19:28 AFI We had a friend who dug up an old baby.

19:30 Drew Oh my God.

19:32 AFI Why? Drugs were involved. And he hit it at a punk rock club. It's a very well-known story.

19:42 AFI I have a cyberhead story, but we can do that at a different time.

19:44 AFI Yeah.

19:44 Drew Oh no, come on. Come on, this is the time.

19:46 AFI Okay, this guy that I know was in... He's kind of like a homeless punk living in New Orleans. And he was in this kind of bad part of town, which is not hard to do in New Orleans. And he was talking on a phone at a phone booth and this guy kind of shambled up, this... looked like a bum, kind of older guy. And he had this paper bag and he just kind of stopped and was staring at the guy. My friend was kind of getting freaked out. He just reached in the bag and pulled out this head and it was all sandy like he had dug it up with the peat or something. And it was just like this head. It wasn't like a skull, it was like this head of a similar guy. And he just kind of showed it to him and looked at him and put it back in and kind of shambled off.

20:27 AFI Pablo is everywhere, man.

20:28 AFI Yeah, Pablo is tripping that night.

20:29 AFI Pablo is on the run.

20:30 Drew Pablo and Vanessa, I can't wait to see the wedding invitations. Alright, let's get an AFI question here. This is Adam 15.

20:39 AFI Hi, guys.

20:40 AFI Hi, Adam.

20:41 AFI Well, AFI, you're my favorite band of all time and I love you guys a lot.

20:47 Thank you.

20:48 Drew Hey, Adam, I have a question. I've never met a girl named Adam.

20:53 AFI I've talked to you so many times before when MCL was on.

20:58 Drew NCL?

20:59 AFI When Michael McCormons was on.

21:01 Drew MCL, okay.

21:02 AFI MCL. Okay.

21:07 AFI So wait, are you a girl? Yeah. Okay. You did sound very effeminate, not that I sound masculine.

21:12 AFI That's a cool name. I like that, Adam.

21:14 Caller Thanks.

21:15 AFI Okay, well, I just wanted to thank you guys so much for saving my life through your music and everything you guys do.

21:24 Drew You said that to my chemical romance too.

21:25 AFI No, I did not.

21:27 Drew Oh, okay.

21:27 AFI You just throw that around. You say that to every band.

21:30 Somebody else.

21:31 AFI No, this is AFI the number one and only.

21:35 AFI Thank you.

21:36 AFI Best live show, best music. I can't wait for you guys' new CD.

21:40 AFI Thank you so much.

21:41 Drew Are you doing okay now, Adam?

21:43 AFI Yeah. Rabbit's at Roadkill.

21:46 AFI More AFI.

21:47 Drew You've been saved by AFI.

21:49 AFI All right. Tied you over a little bit.

21:51 AFI Thank you so much.

21:54 Drew AFI in the studio. It's Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. We have Alisa calling in about whether or not she's had genital warts even though she's never had sex. That will be an interesting question. We've got more calls for AFI. They're in the studio. Davey Havoc, Jade Puget. They're here tonight taking your calls. We're going to take a little break and please give us a call. You can talk to these guys and we'll be right back. That's right, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, Davey Havoc, Jade Puget here from AFI. Tell me about this MySpace Records Volume 1. How did that come about?

22:31 AFI How did it come about?

22:33 Drew It's an interesting idea though, right? I mean, are you guys on MySpace?

22:36 AFI The band is.

22:37 Drew The band is, but you guys as individuals are not?

22:40 AFI I'm not.

22:43 Drew You say you're a 22 year old male, but...

22:45 AFI Yeah, like I'm not. I say I'm 22. I put a picture of Fabio up there.

22:51 Drew Yeah, yeah, that's it.

22:53 AFI You're kind of like a black haired Fabio already.

22:56 AFI Kind of a short, creep black haired Fabio.

22:59 AFI You wear those blousy white shirts like unbuttoned all the time.

23:02 AFI I saw Fabio a couple years ago outside the hotel.

23:06 AFI Yeah, I think we were together.

23:07 AFI And we drove by and we yelled Fabio and he gave us thumbs up.

23:09 AFI Yeah, that was great.

23:11 AFI Remember that, Drew?

23:12 Yeah, of course. Oh, sure.

23:14 AFI Yeah, that's when you had long flowing hair like that.

23:16 Drew Oh, yeah. Yeah, you couldn't tell us apart.

23:18 AFI Yeah, it was weird.

23:20 AFI What were we talking about?

23:22 Drew The MySpace record, Why I Wanted. It's something you guys... it just came out recently, right?

23:25 AFI Yeah, they just asked us to have a song on it and we happened to have a song. I don't really know how the comp came about but we said, okay.

23:33 Drew I bet it's just bands from Ukiah. That was it.

23:35 AFI I think it might be.

23:36 AFI That would be an amazing comp.

23:37 AFI That would be a good comp.

23:39 AFI I'd sell tens of copies.

23:41 AFI There are other bands. Nick 13 from Tiger Army. We went to high school with him. He's from Ukiah and he was a band with Jade.

23:49 Drew I told you.

23:50 AFI When AFI was starting, Jade and Nick were in Influence 13.

23:53 AFI Hey, there was a band called Chokin Dagger from Ukiah.

23:56 Drew Nice. Nice. Really?

24:00 AFI There was Chokin Dagger from Philly. There was Chokin Dagger that played at the park. I saw them.

24:08 That's much better.

24:10 Drew Oh, we lost the General Ward question. We'll have to go to AFI questions.

24:13 AFI Oh, man.

24:14 Drew That's a bummer. Jordan 18.

24:17 I desperately need to find out how to pass a drug test on Saturday.

24:23 AFI You're asking the right guy. No, I'm just kidding.

24:27 Oh, by the way, AFI, you guys are so ridiculously awesome. Girl's Not Gray is the ringtone on my phone.

24:33 AFI Oh, that's awesome.

24:34 I thought that I would point that out because you guys are one of the few people that I was willing to get ripped off like $3 to get to do this.

24:40 AFI We appreciate it.

24:41 Drew Ripped off? We appreciate it. You're paying homage to their genius.

24:45 Well, I am, but can you honestly say that I'm not getting ripped off by paying $3 to get ripped off?

24:52 AFI I mean, we didn't see any money from that, so that went straight to some fat cats in Washington.

24:55 AFI This is true.

24:59 I'm sorry. I tried to fight the power.

25:02 AFI I appreciate that it was worth it. What's the drug worth it or not?

25:08 I got this job that I really, really, really, really want to get, and unfortunately, the worst part of it is that I'm kind of getting it through like a family friend connection, so if I don't pass my drug test, I'm panicking to find out, and then I'm totally, totally screwed. It's hot. The only thing that would show up on it is just some weed, but...

25:26 AFI What wouldn't show up on it?

25:28 Pardon?

25:28 AFI What did you do that wouldn't show up on it?

25:31 Oh, I'm not saying that I did do anything that wouldn't show up on it.

25:35 AFI Okay.

25:35 Drew When was the last time you smoked?

25:37 Oh, last night. I just found out that I was going to be tested today, like literally about two hours ago. So I drank like 19 glasses of water and threw the entire pot of coffee because I heard that it was good to drink diuretics.

25:53 AFI Okay, you got to take the coffee grounds and mix it with like cream, like cream, like thick heavy cream from a cow. Mix it up, kind of grind it up, and then throw a riot in there, and then drink about like a gallon of that. You'll be fine.

26:05 Like actually drink the coffee grounds?

26:07 AFI No, I'm totally.

26:08 AFI You just need to get like, you need to get a vial of someone else's pee and strap it to your leg.

26:12 Drew Yeah.

26:13 Oh, I've never been drug tested.

26:15 AFI That's the old school method.

26:17 I have no idea how it works if I like have to go into like the special drug test room or if there's going to be like a camel of people.

26:22 Drew Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Well, I do these things all the time. So first of all, when was the, are you a daily pot smoker?

26:31 Caller Oh yeah.

26:31 Drew For the most part. All right. So first thing you don't want to do is make sure you don't lose any weight or exercise excessively for the next couple of days.

26:37 Caller I wouldn't have to worry about me exercising.

26:39 Drew Well, you're not going to be stuck on the couch high for the next couple of days. I hope you're going to have enough. Oh hell no.

26:46 Caller I'm like freaking out about this. There's that will not be.

26:49 Drew You could go into, you know, marijuana withdrawal could be pretty unpleasant too. You could pop into withdrawal in a few days. But anyway, let's assume you're taking the test. Yeah, they actually have fake penises and things with bladders.

26:59 Caller Yeah, they had it on me and I don't know what one is.

27:00 Drew They have like black ones and stuff. Yeah, they're all different colors to match your skin. It's the craziest damn thing. But you should know that we look for the temperature of the urine. We look for certain things about the pH. And if it looks like you've been adulterating it, that means it's positive.

27:14 Caller Yeah, I've been reading stuff on the internet about like, well try to get a friend's urine, but make sure you microwave it to like 97 degrees or something like that. And I don't really want to carry around like a pouch of my friend's microwaved urine.

27:27 Drew Let's just see what happens. You're going to be, what, four days sober at that point? Why don't you try to cut down on the pot for a while after that? Let it be the beginning of something new.

27:37 Caller But in the meantime, are any of those products that are all over the internet and like, pass your drug test 100% and you will be clear for five hours after you drink this stuff, does that work?

27:47 Drew You know, honestly, people are so good at figuring out ways of goofing around with their urine that some of them might be, but mostly, you know, those of us that have to do the screening on people, we kind of catch on to it pretty quick. So most of it is detectable. And again, the evidence that you've been adultering it makes it a positive test.

28:06 Caller Okay. And then what about in the meantime? I mean, certain things that I shouldn't eat or should drink.

28:12 Drew Just eat well, lots of fluids and you should be okay.

28:15 AFI For the most part, stay away from the pot brownies.

28:17 Drew Yeah, pot brownies are no good. For the most part, three or four days, a lot of people, you can stay in your urine up to two weeks, but for the most part, three or four days, it can often clear. So, you may get lucky.

28:27 Caller Okay, so just drink a ridiculous amount of water and eat well.

28:31 Drew Yes, just eat well.

28:32 AFI Hey, Steph.

28:32 Drew Oh, my goodness. Yeah, why not? Come on, do something good for yourself. Jennifer 21.

28:37 AFI Let's be honest.

28:38 Drew Jennifer? Call her who goes by Jennifer.

28:44 AFI Hello?

28:44 Drew What's up? You're on with AFI.

28:47 AFI I am?

28:48 AFI You are.

28:50 AFI Oh, wow. Okay.

28:53 Drew Wake up, Jennifer. Wake up, wake up.

28:57 AFI Sorry, I was just making a drink.

29:00 AFI I am in a mentally and verbally abusive relationship. Yeah, and I have been for three years. And it's gotten to a point where like my responses to him have been conditioned.

29:20 Drew Well, what's the question, Jennifer?

29:21 AFI That's cold.

29:24 AFI Well, he's controlling, and he's like putting limits on what I can do and I can't do with my life. I've been in this for three years, and I'm young. I'm 21.

29:38 Drew How old is he?

29:39 Caller He's 23.

29:41 Drew Okay. The power and control is not a relationship. It's an exploitation. Power and control can feel satisfying. It can feel safe. It can feel a lot of things to you if you're used to those kinds of relationships growing up. But the fact is they're abusive, they're exploitative, and they cause a crazy bond. It tightens the bond of that person. These are this abuse of power and control stuff. You have to break that cycle and get out of there. You must leave this, cut it off cold, just get ready because this is not going to get better. It's going to get worse. These things don't get better unless both of you are actively engaged in a lot of treatment. You know, you read stories about what can happen to these relationships, right Jennifer?

30:18 AFI Oh yeah.

30:18 AFI I mean I used to watch talk shows when I was 16 and they said the women would say well because I love him and I always said well I wouldn't be one of those women but I'm young and I've been in this relationship for three years and I honestly don't see how it would be that easy for me to just you know, call him.

30:38 Drew It's not easy. It's not easy but you're going to get some support, get some friends around you, maybe get a therapist, give you enough of a foundation of support to go and make this move because this is not going to get better.

30:48 AFI This is not going to get better.

30:52 AFI Why is he like this?

30:54 Drew Maybe he was beaten as a child or maybe he, who knows? He's got his own psychological reasons for why he is this way. Usually women that seek this out, usually go for powerful men that maneuver with power and control as a way of maintaining the relationship and it makes you feel loved and safe because God knows maybe that's what you didn't have growing up or maybe you had too much of the same thing but it always devolves into really horrible situations. You've got to do something about this and you really can't, just like any other addiction, you can't do it by yourself. You need support, you need the people around you and you need to go cold turkey on this one.

31:29 AFI Yeah, well, can I tell you about something else?

31:32 Drew Maybe.

31:34 AFI Well, we had a conversation tonight and we're kind of in a long distance relationship and I'm going to school and what he does for his career, he needs to be where he is and if he wasn't there he wouldn't have his career. So I'm committed to my school and I signed up for next semester and I have to be there. There's a lot of benefits for me being there and he says he thinks I'm full of BS because I can't move up there and go to school and I work in a restaurant as a server.

32:09 Drew Where are you going with this Jennifer? What's the deal? Get out of this relationship, run. What are you talking about?

32:15 AFI You have the perfect situation anyway to get out of it.

32:17 Drew Yes.

32:17 AFI Distance is going to be the most easy way to separate the ties.

32:21 Drew Listen to that thinking is going to be disturbed too. There's something very strenuous here. I'm committed to my school work but he thinks I will be schooled somewhere else. Okay? Perfect.

32:32 AFI He sucks. He's not the boss of you.

32:35 Drew He's far away. He's far away. He's perfect. You have no trouble changing your phone number. Dan17, moving too by the way. He's trying to find you. Dan, you're on with AFI.

32:45 Caller Hi. Oh my gosh. Thank you guys so much for everything you guys have done.

32:49 AFI You're welcome, Dan.

32:51 Caller Anyway, I was wondering, this giant puzzle that you guys have created with all the videos and the French puzzles and everything, is that something you guys are able to talk about?

33:07 AFI I'm not French.

33:10 AFI I wouldn't recommend it.

33:11 AFI Je suis pamblémous.

33:14 Drew I guess I'll put him on hold. Anything guys or just no? Move on.

33:24 AFI Yeah, no comment.

33:25 Drew No comment. No comment. Okay, Deb 22.

33:28 AFI Yeah, hi.

33:29 AFI What's up Deb?

33:31 I have kind of a weird obsession with homosexual men. It's something that I, I mean it's something I kind of have to fantasize about to get off.

33:43 Drew You see, do you imagine men having sex with men?

33:46 Caller Yeah.

33:48 Drew Interesting. Are you sexually active with, oh really?

33:52 AFI Tell her about it.

33:54 Drew No, no, not really.

33:54 AFI Wait, never mind. I mean, oh God.

33:58 Drew Deb, are you relationships otherwise okay?

34:02 Not really. I kind of have a bunch of problems with being intimate with people, not necessarily sexually, but being close and things like that.

34:10 Drew How come?

34:11 I don't know.

34:15 Drew Give us a hand. We don't know you. What do you think about that?

34:18 Well, my dad's kind of an a-hole.

34:21 Drew Where's my bourbon? It might have something to do with it.

34:24 Yeah. I guess I'm afraid of men in general.

34:31 Drew Do you, when you sort of see men with men, does it feel like a sort of power and control stuff? Do you feel like they're aggressing against each other?

34:39 No.

34:40 AFI Maybe it's like they're more effeminate so they're less threatening.

34:43 AFI Yeah.

34:45 Drew There's always a safety factor there because you know you can't be with them. You know you're never going to be able to be in love with somebody who will never reciprocate that. So that's kind of a safe place to go. But it sounds like you have a relationship with men but then fantasize just purely from a sexual standpoint about the man on man sex, right?

34:59 AFI Yeah.

35:01 Even when I'm being intimate with somebody, I kind of have to think about that even if I'm kind of imagining myself as a guy.

35:09 AFI So you're with a guy and you're envisioning maybe him being with another guy or just two other guys partying?

35:14 It doesn't matter. Just anything really. Just not a man and woman thing.

35:18 Drew Do you have any sexual identity issues? Do you ever feel like, when you're growing up, people tell you you're a dad or something, you should have been a boy?

35:26 No.

35:27 Drew Nothing like that. Okay. All right. Well, enjoy. Is it hurting anything?

35:32 Well, it's just kind of freakish and weird. I mean, I don't know.

35:36 Drew I really think it's just a way to keep you out of intimate relationships. It has some specific meaning for you. I don't know what that would be and you aren't helping us figure that out. But it just keeps you away from intimacy if you're just out there imagining something totally different than what you're involved with. It allows you to feel sexual. Let's hear a song. Yes? Yes, certainly. Tell them, I want you to introduce Rabbits Are Roadkill.

36:01 AFI You want like a straight up like, this is a great introduction?

36:04 Drew Okay, however you want to do it.

36:05 AFI We can do those. Hi, this is Davey Havoc from AFI.

36:08 AFI Are we doing a radio liner?

36:09 Drew No, no.

36:11 AFI Tell them we should do it. Watch how good we do the radio liners.

36:14 Drew All right, go.

36:14 AFI Hi, this is Davey Havoc from AFI.

36:16 AFI This is Jade Puget.

36:17 AFI And you are listening to our new song on the MySpace compilation called... Go.

36:23 AFI Uh, what's it called?

36:24 AFI Rabbits or Roadkill. Oh, 37. K-Rock.

40:14 Drew That's AFI, am I back here?

40:16 AFI AFI, everybody, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1.

40:19 Drew That's right, David Havoc, Jay Puget, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Give us a call and talk to these guys. We'll be right back after this brief set of commercials. AFI, the studio of David Havoc, Jay Puget, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1.

40:37 AFI Should we go right to the phone?

40:39 AFI Dr. Drew in the South.

40:40 AFI Hey Drew, are you putting a K on the end of my last name?

40:43 Drew You know, I kind of said something weird, didn't I? I said Pugik.

40:46 AFI Yeah, you made it into some kind of weird Polish thing.

40:50 Drew Ashley, 21, what's going on?

40:52 AFI Hi. I had my first boyfriend recently. We broke up at the beginning of this year. And I went on a rampage and hooked up with like eight guys in the first four months after we broke up. And then after that I just kind of stopped. I started masturbating for the first time. And with all the guys, I had never gotten off ever. And when I started to get my stuff off, I lost desire to hook up with anyone. So I haven't had sex since then. And I'm just wondering if you think it's a phase or if there's something wrong with me now and I should get help or what?

41:32 AFI It's better than hooking up with eight guys in four months. Try imagining two gay guys when you get a master's degree.

41:41 AFI Absolutely. Eventually, I go through those periods and then I can't turn myself on anymore. And I just lose it. Then I start to just kind of bore myself.

41:53 Drew Yeah.

41:53 AFI I get really bored.

41:54 Drew So you go back out on a rampage?

41:56 AFI Yeah. So then I start rampaging again.

41:58 AFI Remember that video game Rampage?

42:01 Drew How did this relationship end? Was it bad?

42:04 AFI Well, I was really in love with him and he just kind of ended it.

42:08 He wasn't into it as much as I was.

42:10 AFI So I was really heartbroken and that was my way of just kind of like...

42:13 Drew Dealing with it?

42:14 AFI Yeah. I kind of wanted to know about it and know that I was over him when I really wasn't. But I mean, we're still friends. It wasn't traumatizing or anything.

42:22 AFI So you were... She's a tramp now. I wish I had her back.

42:25 Drew So you were rampaging at him?

42:28 AFI Kind of. I mean, it wasn't fulfilling for me. I don't really regret it, but it wasn't something that I'm proud of, you know.

42:35 Drew Alright, so that's okay. You did it. It was sort of your way of coping with things.

42:38 AFI Yeah.

42:39 Drew You were acting out. I guess there was something wrong with you at that time. You were depressed. You were grief stricken. You were sort of traumatized by all this. And you've come out of it with more knowledge about yourself and here you are on the other side doing okay. So kind of start dating again and find a relationship. Don't go rampaging.

42:55 AFI The thing is though, I can't bring myself to even want to be with the guy now.

42:59 AFI So I don't know.

43:00 Drew I think that will settle down with time. I really do. You've gone from one extreme to the other. You've gone from rampaging as a way of dealing with this as a way of shutting down. Is there anything else we should know about you? Any trauma in your child when you were a child or anything? Anything that would be sort of resurfacing now?

43:18 AFI Not really. I mean I don't talk to either of my parents but that's something that I've...

43:22 How come?

43:24 AFI My mom kicked me out when I was 17.

43:27 Caller Why?

43:28 AFI She thought I was doing drugs and having sex when I lost my virginity when I was 20 but she just thought I was doing a lot of stuff that I wasn't because I would go out and go to like shows and go to Hollywood all the time and assuming I was doing a lot of stuff that I wasn't doing.

43:43 Caller What was your dad's name?

43:45 AFI They got the guy when I was like 15 and ever since then I didn't talk to him and recently he got sick so we kind of mended our relationship but it's still kind of rocky.

43:57 Drew What kind of illness does he have?

43:59 AFI He's got cancer.

44:00 Oh boy.

44:02 Drew Okay so this could all be somewhat of a continuation of the misery around the divorce really that was only a few years ago and your boyfriend was a way of sort of finding refuge from that. He was sort of your family at that point.

44:15 AFI Yeah, he really was. Him and his friends were definitely like my family.

44:18 Drew He dumps you and boy, you're s out of luck. You're just adrift and yes, you sort of regress and go into primitive means to try to regulate at that point. Sex and drugs are ways people do that. Now, you sort of land it again. Of course, you're fearful of intimacy because the fear is that you'll lose somebody again. But I think actually with time, if another year from now you still haven't established a relationship, then I definitely look into it. But a few more months or even weeks of just feeling shut down, that's adaptive I think. I think that's okay. All right?

44:48 AFI All right. Thank you so much.

44:49 Drew All right. Good luck.

44:50 AFI All right.

44:51 Drew Guys, what do you think? That was good?

44:53 AFI Then I called her a tramp. I'm such a jerk.

44:55 AFI No, it's okay.

44:56 Drew People love you. People love AFI. You can call her a tramp. She still loves your music.

45:02 AFI She was okay. She said she had no regrets.

45:03 AFI I really need a recovery.

45:05 Drew David Havoc, Jade Puget, AFI to say it right that time. 1-800-LOV-E-191. We're going to hear some more from probably from Sing the Sorrow when we come in the next hour. It's time for yet another break. We'll be right back. Dr. Drew Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, joining me tonight in studio, a couple of Ukiah natives.

45:38 AFI Yes.

45:38 Drew Hanging out with Jim Jones, Charles Manson picks their fences.

45:45 AFI You should come to Ukiah. My parents are still there.

45:47 Drew Mooneys are still there, and your uncle kicked with Jim Jones, likes to talk to him. It's awesome.

45:51 AFI My parents are not Mooneys.

45:52 AFI Jim Jones is dead, I believe. Oh, that's right.

45:54 Drew But your uncle is, isn't your uncle a kick with him, you know?

45:57 AFI No, yeah, he's there. He'll smoke it out.

46:01 Drew David Havoc, Jade Pugick, AFI. Sing the Sorrows, the new album that we just heard in the last hour, Rabbits, our roadkill on Route 37. Let's go to the calls. This is Lisa 16. Lisa?

46:12 Caller Oh, hi.

46:14 Drew Oh, what's up, Lisa?

46:17 Caller Well, I'm nervous. I have these sores and they're like really gross and they start like pezzin out eventually and I don't know what they are.

46:31 Drew Where are they?

46:32 AFI They're just like these little sores on my vagina and...

46:35 Drew Are they on the skin part?

46:38 Caller Like, I don't know.

46:40 Drew Like in the pubic area, in the skin area?

46:43 Caller Like on top. Well, I don't know.

46:47 Drew Oh my goodness, Lisa. She paints an eloquent picture. The images are clear in my mind. Things that pus, or zit-like pus, are usually infected hair follicles or parathum glands. They're not STDs. Here's my thing, Lisa. Go see a doctor, get it properly treated. Hot baths will help in the meantime. But it may need some antibiotics. Sometimes these things even need to be drained. Sam, 21.

47:12 Caller Hey, what's up, guys? I never thought I'd get through. Here you are.

47:14 AFI Hey, Sam.

47:15 Caller What's up, AFI, man?

47:16 AFI Hey.

47:17 AFI How you doing?

47:18 Caller Hey, Davey, man. I just want to let you know, man, your music and your lyrics help me through my teenage years in a really big way.

47:22 AFI Oh, thanks, Sam. Thank you very much. It means a lot.

47:24 Caller Really?

47:25 Drew You know, you guys actually, AFI gets a lot of that. What do you think? Do you intend that when you guys write songs? Or do you think what would have helped me, anything like that?

47:34 AFI It's really, really, really flattering to hear that. Yeah, I bet. I mean, I don't know what to say. I think it's a result of kind of the honesty.

47:44 Drew But is it intentional, the sense that you write stuff that, you know, obviously it's very personal, but would it have inspired you when you were younger? Do you think about those sorts of times in your life? Is it from that?

47:55 Caller It's not really quite.

47:56 AFI It's not quite. No, it's not quite that for me. I just kind of write what I feel. It's very, you know, it's very first person. And it's very kind of megalomaniacal, did I say that right? In that respect, in that it's, it's just my feeling so.

48:15 Drew David gets to act out his narcissism and you drive him.

48:21 AFI The records that meant the most to me when I was younger were those honest speaking records, those records where you could really sense that the people were speaking from their hearts and you know.

48:30 Caller Exactly. I think you're a really great writer anyways.

48:32 AFI I appreciate that.

48:33 Caller I want to know what kind of music do you guys listen to nowadays? Like what are your influences now?

48:38 AFI I don't know. Let's see. In my car stereo right now, I have the Catherine Wheel.

48:44 Drew Oh my God. Those guys used to come up years ago.

48:47 AFI I got the Catherine Wheel in there.

48:49 Drew Catherine Wheels, were they Scottish or something? Were they?

48:52 AFI Were they Scottish?

48:52 AFI They were from Ukiah.

48:55 AFI They weren't British? Ukiah.

48:56 Drew I think they were from Ukiah.

48:57 AFI They were from Ukiah as was the other. I have Madonna in there and she was from Bakersfield.

49:02 AFI Definitely Fresno, I believe.

49:04 AFI Fresno. I got Autolux and PragaCon and Iris PragaCon.

49:14 AFI That's like a second-rate ShakaCon. It's similar.

49:17 AFI That's what I'm listening to. What are you listening to?

49:20 Caller Also, Jade, I wanted to say you're an awesome guitar player. You deserve all the credit.

49:25 AFI Thank you.

49:26 Drew What's up, Sam?

49:27 Caller I thought this was originally going to be a prank call, but I figured it out. Oh, good.

49:30 AFI How is it going to go, though? Wait, Sam, how is it going to go?

49:33 Caller Well, I was going to give you guys this elaborate story about how I got my girlfriend pregnant and I left her and everything, but...

49:38 AFI Oh, wow.

49:39 Caller Anyway, I just want to tell Drew, you've just been...

49:42 AFI Yeah.

49:43 Drew Well done. Well done, Sam.

49:45 AFI Thanks, Sam.

49:47 Drew This is Amanda17.

49:49 Caller Hi.

49:50 Drew Hey, Amanda.

49:50 Caller What's up?

49:51 Caller This question is for Davey.

49:53 AFI Okay.

49:53 AFI It's about a movie you did.

49:55 AFI Where's Your Messiah Thing?

49:57 AFI I don't know the name of it.

49:58 AFI Oh, Live Freaky Die Freaky?

49:59 AFI Yes.

50:00 Caller What happened to it?

50:01 AFI It actually came out. I was just one of the many voices of many puppets that were in the movie. I say that literally. It's an animated movie and there are puppets in it. Can you buy it? I think you can buy it soon. Yes. I think I saw something on Amazon and it was in the children's section. John Roker, who made the movie, is an amazing guy, for me a link. It's in the children's section in Amazon. It should not at all be in the children's section. It really should not be. But yes, it's a musical commentary on organized religion through making a musical out of the story of the Manson family. And it's like, it's all about Brothers Quaid, you know, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Mad Monster Party, it's that type of animation.

50:50 Drew Interesting, Marcus 16.

50:51 AFI Hey, what's up AFI?

50:54 AFI How are you doing, Marcus?

50:55 Caller Hey, I'm doing good.

50:56 Caller I was just wondering about your new album.

50:59 Caller Is there any guest vocals in there at all?

51:01 AFI Someone already asked that, Marcus.

51:03 Caller Yeah.

51:03 Caller I was listening earlier, I'm excited about that.

51:05 AFI Who would you like to hear on our album? And I'll tell you if they're on there.

51:08 Caller Actually, Nick 13.

51:10 Caller You guys really inspired me to listen to Tiger Army.

51:13 Caller I went to their show when they came here to Portland.

51:16 Caller They were at the Loveline Theater.

51:17 Caller Oh yeah. Yeah.

51:19 Caller And they were a really good band. I was hoping you'd come in and play True Romance or something.

51:26 AFI That we would come in and play True Romance?

51:27 Caller No, like you would, Davey.

51:28 Caller You could come in and sing it.

51:29 Caller Oh me?

51:30 AFI In Portland?

51:30 Caller Yeah.

51:31 AFI I was there, but I was busy at a conference.

51:37 AFI Nick 13 is on our records.

51:38 AFI Yes, he is.

51:38 AFI He's singing all over the country.

51:40 Drew You said he was on every song, right?

51:42 AFI Yeah, pretty much.

51:43 Caller Every song? Oh, that's tight.

51:45 Drew Yeah.

51:46 Caller Well, are you guys coming to Portland on your tour?

51:49 AFI Yeah, we will for sure. For sure, next year.

51:51 Caller All right.

51:52 Caller Well, you guys really inspired me to start playing guitar and stuff. Yeah, I love your music and everything, man.

51:59 Caller Well, it's nice. Thank you.

52:04 Drew This is Taylor 20.

52:07 Caller Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi.

52:08 AFI Hi, Taylor.

52:09 Caller I've been with my boyfriend for about a year now. And for the most part, the relationship is really good. We've only argued about one thing, and it's my male friend. And my male friend and I have been friends for four years now, and he's the first and only person I've ever been intimate with besides my boyfriend now. My boyfriend doesn't want me to talk to him. And I'm really having difficulties with this because I don't want to give up or lose a friendship. But I don't want to ruin my relationship with my boyfriend. And I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how I can help my boyfriend cope or understand the friendship better.

52:45 Drew Give us a little more details on the friendship. When did you sleep with him? How did that go down? What's the deal here?

52:54 Caller I met him when I was 16 and he was 19 and we dated for a while. Nothing ever happened because my mom told him she would go to jail if he ever touched me. So later on we continued our friendship and when I was 18, we ended up sleeping together.

53:10 How old are you now?

53:11 Caller I'm 20 now. So he moved away to Vegas to go to school and pretty much like there was no relationship options, but we seem to have a really good friendship now, and for the most part that's what it is. I know that he wants to be with me, but he understands that I'm in a relationship and he wants a friendship with me too.

53:36 Drew That is what freaks your boyfriend out. He knows that too.

53:40 AFI That's not cool.

53:41 AFI That never works.

53:42 AFI The guy totally wants to be with you and the only reason you weren't in a relationship with him is because you had to separate for college and now he's back and he's in the mix and he's trying to work his way in.

53:51 AFI If you're the boyfriend, do you really want your girlfriend to hang out with some guy that you know wants to be with her and get with her and is so attracted to her?

53:57 Caller He doesn't know that my girlfriend wants to date me.

54:00 AFI Yes, he does.

54:02 AFI He's just assuming that and he's assuming right.

54:04 AFI He's assuming right because it's a guy.

54:06 AFI I always want that.

54:07 Caller As far as I'm concerned, I still want to be friends with him. It's like I can't have my cake and eat it too.

54:14 Drew That's right. That's correct. You can't.

54:17 Caller There's no way to fix this at all.

54:20 AFI Here's the thing though. If you really care about your boyfriend and you know that the guy who you want to be friends with is trying to get in your pants and you know that your boyfriend knows that, I mean, don't you think that's hurting him?

54:33 Caller I understand that point of view. I completely get it. I don't have a problem with him having female friends or anything like that. I'm a really trusting person.

54:44 Drew Taylor, you're in outer space. I'm sorry. You don't understand.

54:51 AFI She's not feeling us, Drew.

54:52 Drew No, I know.

54:53 AFI I'm sorry. Taylor, your boyfriend is wrong. He just needs to lighten up. It's totally okay for you to be in friends with your ex-lover who still has feelings for you.

55:03 Drew Right. Let's put it this way. He's flirting around and hanging out with a girl that he has had sex with. She's dying to have sex with him. Hanging out only because she wants to consummate this relationship. He just wants to be a friend. He just wants the friendship.

55:18 AFI Yeah, he just wants to be a friend.

55:20 Drew Stop. Come on. It says here you want to marry your current boyfriend. Whatever you do, don't do that. You're not ready. My God, you're playing games here. What are you talking about?

55:29 AFI It's just beyond it.

55:30 Drew I'm not saying you can't have a male friend. I'm saying this male friend is not a friend. This is a bullpen. This is keeping somebody around just in case it doesn't work out with your boyfriend.

55:40 AFI On tap is what we call it in the industry.

55:42 Drew Yes. Sorry, Taylor. Sorry about that. You should be able to have friends, but this guy is maybe not the guy for right now anyway.

55:52 AFI I mean, unless you want to be with that guy.

55:54 Drew Yeah, don't get married. Don't get married. Monique, 21. Monique, caller goes by Monique.

56:01 AFI Hello?

56:02 Drew Yep, what's up?

56:03 AFI This is Ashley.

56:05 Drew All right, Ashley, you're on with the airplane. It says Monique up here. Come on, Ashley, what's going on?

56:12 AFI Am I going to be able to go on with the AFI?

56:14 Drew You're on with the AFI.

56:16 Caller What?

56:16 AFI Oh, Ashley, this is Davey. This is Jade over here right in front of me. There's a guy rubbing a cow on the screen up there.

56:22 Drew What you got?

56:25 Caller I just want to say that I'm like totally in love with you guys.

56:28 AFI Thank you.

56:29 AFI Thank you.

56:30 AFI Like, oh my gosh, I'm so like...

56:32 Drew Would you like to hear an AFI song?

56:35 AFI Sure.

56:36 Drew What song should we play?

56:42 AFI Do you want to hear the Living Song Part 2?

56:44 AFI Sure. Love you guys.

56:46 AFI Thank you. Just a little nudge.

56:48 AFI We'll do that.

56:49 Drew But first I'm going to take quick calls to Simba 16.

56:53 AFI Oh, hi.

56:54 Caller See, I was going out.

56:56 AFI I have two questions.

56:58 Caller I was going out with this guy and I had known him for a while. When we started going out, he started talking about these things he had been doing, like sacrificing animals for these demons he worshiped. At first I thought it was just a joke.

57:12 AFI Marry him.

57:13 AFI But it got to the point where he's...

57:15 Drew Pablo!

57:17 AFI Pablo gets around.

57:19 Caller But I'm vegetarian and he knew I was. I told him that I would not be in a relationship with someone who did that kind of stuff. But he has now become friends with every single one of my friends. And I don't want to lose my friendships because I'm really close to these people. But I don't want to make a big deal out of it and I'm not sure what to do.

57:39 AFI So you're only concerned about the... you didn't care that he was worshipping demons and you didn't want him hurting animals?

57:44 Caller Yeah.

57:47 AFI Worshipping demons is all good compared to killing an animal.

57:50 Drew She's converted to Santeria. Don't worry.

57:53 Caller I personally don't believe in demons.

57:55 AFI I don't think they exist.

57:57 Drew Boy you are a sensible girl.

57:59 Caller I found out he had been doing acid.

58:04 AFI And I'm straight edged.

58:06 Caller And I don't approve of that.

58:09 Caller And so he's friends with all of my friends and I don't know what to do because he's like there all the time.

58:14 Drew Why are you with him?

58:15 AFI Wait, you're still with him?

58:16 Caller No, I'm not.

58:17 Caller I broke it off. Like, we were friends for a few weeks, a few months. And then he asked me out and I said fine. And we were going out. And then like it got to the point where I actually believe him. And so I told him that it wasn't going to work out. And he got like really upset about it.

58:35 AFI So did he make it hard for you when you're trying to hang out with your friends?

58:38 Caller Well, he started hanging out with my friends that he never used to hang out with before.

58:42 AFI Okay.

58:43 AFI So hang out with your friends still though. So everybody hang out together.

58:46 AFI But he worships demons.

58:47 Drew Right. He's settled being your friend. Yeah. He's your friend on acid. He's just going to be your friend. Just don't worry about it. Just stop dating him and that's fine.

58:57 AFI Recommend to him a band called Crash Worship.

58:59 Caller He'll like that band.

59:00 Drew Crash Worship.

59:01 Caller No. He listens to really bad music.

59:03 Caller Okay.

59:03 AFI Well, turn him on to Crash Worship. It'll turn him around. I'm telling you. He's somebody who kills animals and worships demons and like and drops them.

59:08 Caller It's just that because he's a really like bad person.

59:13 Drew We're getting there.

59:14 Caller He talks to inanimate objects.

59:18 AFI That's because of all the acid he's been dropping.

59:19 Drew Right.

59:21 AFI This guy might be from Ukiah.

59:23 Drew Is it a lot of acid in Ukiah?

59:25 AFI Oh, yeah.

59:28 Drew Interesting. Here's Maria 27. Maria?

59:33 AFI Hi, guys.

59:33 Drew Hey, what's up?

59:34 AFI Hey, um, I don't know how to put things into words to say, but anything but thank you to you guys, AFI, your music rocks.

59:43 Drew Thank you.

59:43 AFI Um, Dr. Vera, I got a question for you.

59:47 Drew Yes?

59:48 AFI I've been married, I don't know, five, yeah, almost six years, and we've been together about seven years, and I have like no sex life.

59:59 Drew No sex life or no sex drive?

1:00:02 AFI No sex life.

1:00:03 Caller Oh, I have a drive.

1:00:07 AFI But I want to know how, is there, is there something that I can do maybe to get my husband to be more, I don't know, intimate with me?

1:00:17 Drew What, what is it you're doing and what is it you'd like to do?

1:00:21 AFI What is it we're doing?

1:00:22 Drew How often?

1:00:24 AFI How often?

1:00:29 Caller I have two children too, which I understand, you know, kind of a...

1:00:35 Drew Tell me more, give us more information. When was the last time you had a baby?

1:00:39 AFI Oh, my youngest is four.

1:00:42 Drew Okay, and when was the last time you had sex with your husband?

1:00:45 Caller About a month ago.

1:00:46 Drew Okay, so you're down to once a month, is that right?

1:00:49 Caller Yeah.

1:00:49 Drew And what does he say the reason is?

1:00:53 AFI There's no reason.

1:00:55 Drew Do you talk to him about it?

1:00:57 AFI Yeah, he's always. Okay, it's funny. Okay, he's got the headache.

1:01:02 Drew Yeah, he's tired. He's tired, yeah. Is he on medication?

1:01:06 AFI No. He works 12 hours. He works long shifts, but that's only half the week.

1:01:14 Drew Listen, there's a million things that could be going on here, Maria, which you've got to find out. You've got to ask him, right? You've got to sit him down very seriously and say, look, I missed this. I really enjoyed this. We had this. It's an important part of a relationship. What can we do to get it back? Very simple. Don't blame him. Don't make him feel. Men turn and run when they feel like they're sort of not up to the task of keeping their wife happy. It freaks them out. So just say, look, talk about it in terms of missing it and how do we solve this? If he's not willing to discuss it, then you've got to get a couple's therapist because there's something very, very wrong then. And maybe with him, maybe something biological is going on with him. He deserves that evaluation, but this needs to be sorted out and fixed, okay?

1:01:58 Caller Right.

1:01:58 AFI Okay.

1:01:59 Drew All right. Good luck.

1:02:00 AFI Bye, Banks.

1:02:00 Caller All right.

1:02:01 Drew This now is for Hunter. Danny. Is Hunter here?

1:02:04 AFI No, Hunter is not here. We can pretend, though.

1:02:06 Drew Okay. Well, Danny is a question about him or for him or whatever. Let's see. You're on with Davey and Jade, though, Danny.

1:02:11 Caller What's up, guys?

1:02:12 Caller Hey, Danny.

1:02:14 Caller I know Hunter was running or owns Checkmate Records.

1:02:17 AFI Yes.

1:02:18 Caller Is he going to be releasing any bands on that? Because he hasn't been doing much lately.

1:02:22 AFI Okay. I don't think it exists anymore.

1:02:24 Caller Oh, okay.

1:02:25 AFI I know he released that.

1:02:26 Caller It's been only a long time ago.

1:02:30 AFI I'm pretty sure he told me that it's over. Okay. I hope I'm right because he might be about to release it.

1:02:35 AFI Checkmate on that record, I guess.

1:02:36 Drew That would explain why they haven't put anything out recently. Annalise 17.

1:02:41 AFI Hey, what a dream come true, talking to my three favorite people.

1:02:45 Caller All right.

1:02:47 AFI Come on down to the studio.

1:02:48 AFI Yeah.

1:02:49 Caller Dr. Drew, I love you.

1:02:51 AFI Red Cracked.

1:02:51 AFI Love you like my daddy. A5, man. I know you hear it a lot, but you guys are my favorite band.

1:02:57 AFI I'm obsessed.

1:02:58 AFI Even my best friend's little brother loves you guys.

1:03:00 Caller I like your sister.

1:03:02 Drew He's three.

1:03:02 Caller He's three and he's obsessed with you guys.

1:03:05 AFI He'll sit there and point at the poster and be like, that's Davey and that's Jade and that's Hunter and Adam, and he'll jump off the bed and it's just adorable.

1:03:13 AFI That kid's going to turn out just fine.

1:03:15 Drew He's going to be great.

1:03:16 AFI Oh, yeah.

1:03:17 AFI I can't wait to see him as a teenager.

1:03:19 AFI I can't.

1:03:20 AFI It's going to be on acid, worshiping demons.

1:03:22 AFI Killing squirrels.

1:03:23 AFI Oh, yeah.

1:03:25 Caller We thought about that.

1:03:26 AFI We get kind of scared, but we're like, no, man.

1:03:28 AFI No, no, we don't do the acid and kill the squirrels.

1:03:31 Drew That's Pablo.

1:03:37 AFI I actually ditched doing my homework because I was trying to call in so much. I'm so surprised I'm talking to guys. It's like a dream come true.

1:03:43 Caller I love you guys.

1:03:44 Drew Well, you have a big chance, Annalise. Let's get to it. What's going on?

1:03:46 AFI Okay.

1:03:47 AFI My question is, when Sinisterra came out, there was that whole internet conspiracy thing. There was hidden meanings and all of that.

1:03:54 Drew Was this that puzzle thing again?

1:03:56 AFI Yeah, that whole thing.

1:03:58 AFI When I was learning of Rebb, it's a roadkill.

1:03:59 AFI Your new single was like a part of that.

1:04:01 AFI It was very, very nice hearing from you this evening.

1:04:04 Drew Oh, at least ask him something. You love these guys, ask something else. Come on, tell him how you love them.

1:04:08 AFI I don't think they were.

1:04:09 AFI Dude, I'm going to get like an A5 tattoo when I turn 18.

1:04:12 AFI What are you going to get? What are you going to get?

1:04:14 AFI The Nephilim, for sure. I love that.

1:04:16 AFI My dad has a Nephilim tattoo.

1:04:18 AFI We saw, we were in Mexico City.

1:04:20 AFI Wait, wait, wait.

1:04:20 Drew What is that?

1:04:21 AFI It's like this bat looking thing.

1:04:23 AFI It's kind of a demon little wingy.

1:04:24 AFI It's like a demon on acid. We were in Mexico City and we were doing a signing and this girl came through the line and she was like, probably like 15 or 16 and she had it tattooed on her neck.

1:04:32 AFI Oh yeah, had it tattooed on her neck.

1:04:35 AFI It's a beautiful thing.

1:04:37 AFI It's nice. It is. That's cool. Thanks a lot. It is actually quite an honor whenever we see anybody with our tattoos, which we see a lot. It's such a commitment and such loyalty. We really recognize it and appreciate it.

1:04:51 AFI Yeah, I love you guys.

1:04:53 Caller I love you guys at the show.

1:04:55 Drew Okay, go do your homework. Go do your homework.

1:04:57 Caller I am.

1:04:58 AFI Right now. Get out the grass.

1:05:01 Drew Here's Amanda 19.

1:05:04 Caller Hi.

1:05:04 AFI First off, I want to say hi.

1:05:06 AFI Hi, Amanda.

1:05:07 Caller Hello. I have these sores. They're like, okay, it's like a knot and it's not actually in my vaginal area. I get them on the side of my thighs and under my arms and I've gone to the doctor's for a while and they've touched them and all they tell me is they're not cancerous.

1:05:23 Drew Right. They're basically sort of infected cysts.

1:05:27 Caller Is that what it is? Because I can like, they get puffy and oozy and stuff like that. Right.

1:05:30 Drew It's good times.

1:05:32 Caller Oh, yeah.

1:05:34 Drew Sometimes a prolonged course of antibiotics orally helps with that sort of thing. So, you might even want to talk to dermatologists about that. Definitely dermatologists should be treating it. Okay. This is Sarah 16.

1:05:45 Caller Hello.

1:05:46 Drew Hi, Sarah. Yes. What's up? You're on the air.

1:05:50 Caller I am?

1:05:51 Drew Yes, you are.

1:05:51 AFI Yes, you are, Sarah.

1:05:53 AFI Are you serious?

1:05:53 Drew You're on with AFI.

1:05:55 AFI That's amazing.

1:05:56 AFI Please don't kill me.

1:05:58 Drew It was bogus.

1:05:59 AFI Yes.

1:06:00 Drew All right. Good. Thank you for telling us. I could tell just by the way it was shaped.

1:06:04 AFI I tried to think of something outrageous that I thought maybe I could help.

1:06:09 Drew Why don't you tell AFI?

1:06:10 AFI I want to hear what it was. I'm drawing a squirrel.

1:06:13 AFI I told him that I had an orgy addiction and I needed help. I didn't know how to get it.

1:06:19 Drew By the way, I think that's the first time we've had that question.

1:06:21 AFI Really?

1:06:22 AFI That is outrageous.

1:06:24 AFI I have never seen or been to an orgy ever.

1:06:27 AFI Neither have I.

1:06:29 AFI See?

1:06:29 Drew You probably just have a rock star.

1:06:33 AFI I have never heard of an orgy.

1:06:35 AFI Of course. I'm sure you hear this all the time, but I love you guys.

1:06:39 Drew Thank you.

1:06:40 AFI Your music has just changed my life. I'm a part of the despair faction, of course.

1:06:45 AFI Oh, thank you.

1:06:46 AFI Awesome. And, yeah, I just wanted to tell you I love you guys. And come back to Memphis.

1:06:53 AFI To Memphis? Please.

1:06:56 AFI I am dying to see you again.

1:06:59 AFI Every time we go to Memphis, I think of the Stray Cat song. Are you familiar with the Stray Cat song, 18 Miles to Memphis?

1:07:06 AFI No, she's not. I didn't think so.

1:07:11 Drew But Sarah, thank you for coming clean and thank you for supporting the band. All right, we're going to take another break. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. And after the next break, we're going to hear yet another AFI song. In the meantime, we're here with Davy Havoc and Jade Puget. I'm Dr. Drew and we'll be right back. All right, Loveline, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Jade has left the studio, right, David?

1:07:55 AFI We're alone. We're alone now, Drew.

1:07:57 Drew What's the matter with Jade?

1:07:59 AFI Jade had... Yeah, he had a little sick. He saw the animals I was sacrificing in here to demons.

1:08:06 Caller Nice.

1:08:08 Drew I bugged him a little bit. All right, so you and I will tackle the calls, right?

1:08:11 AFI We got it. We got it covered.

1:08:12 Drew All right, here we go. This is Jenny, 21.

1:08:15 AFI Hi.

1:08:16 Drew Hi, Jenny. What's up?

1:08:17 AFI Hi, Jenny.

1:08:18 AFI Well, I seem to like chase sex around a lot.

1:08:24 Drew What do you mean by that?

1:08:25 AFI Well, I have a couple of friends who are just friends for sex and I've also got a boyfriend and I don't know what's wrong, but I really hate sex. I don't get any enjoyment out of it at all, but I still want it.

1:08:40 AFI And yet you look for it?

1:08:42 AFI Yeah.

1:08:43 Drew Well, yeah, I mean usually that's usually sexual compulsion, sexual addiction. Were you sexually abused as a kid?

1:08:50 AFI Several times.

1:08:52 Drew Yeah, and that's usually where that comes from. Basically what happens is there's something extraordinary about the human being where when something terrorizing happens to you as a child, that becomes a source of sort of drive in your adult and young adult life, drive to repeat the same thing over and over again. And when you put sort of an erotic drive behind it, sex, these things that were terrorizing a child become very alluring after puberty. So now you start craving it chronically and yet it's really a reenactment of a traumatic experience and so it feels awful.

1:09:23 AFI Like those deep masochists.

1:09:24 Caller Well, I would think that I wouldn't want sex anymore.

1:09:27 Drew Right, but this is what's strange about the human. We become driven to repeat the thing that we found so awful when we were a child. It doesn't make sense, right? You can't make sense. It's not rational what you're doing, but it's what happens when people are sexually abused. So Jenny, you're a trauma survivor. Let's get some treatment for that so you can actually have a real relationship and not be chasing this old repetition compulsion over and over again.

1:09:50 AFI Okay.

1:09:50 Drew Does that make sense?

1:09:52 AFI Yeah, it does. Actually, it does kind of.

1:09:55 Drew If you don't want to go get an individual therapist, SA, Sex Addicts SLA, Sex Addicts Anonymous, Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous, these are all excellent programs and you will find people with your story there and a lot of people with the exact same situation as you, give you support and sort of help you through what this is all about. Well, now that Jade is gone, we have a couple of calls for David.

1:10:15 Caller Okay.

1:10:16 Drew Desiree?

1:10:17 AFI Hi.

1:10:18 Drew What's up?

1:10:18 AFI Hi, Desiree.

1:10:19 AFI Hi. Actually, I understand you're a vegan?

1:10:22 AFI I am a vegan.

1:10:23 AFI Yes. Actually, well, I've been a selective vegetarian for the last ten years and I've been a full-on vegetarian for like, I don't know, six months now.

1:10:31 AFI That's great.

1:10:32 AFI I understand vegan is without all dairy products, no yogurt, no cheese.

1:10:37 AFI Yeah, we don't consume any animal products whatsoever, whether that means cheese, milk, butter, whey.

1:10:44 Drew Why, David, why the aversion to even stuff that comes out of the animal kind of thing?

1:10:48 AFI Well, there's two reasons. There's health reasons and there's political reasons. The health reasons being, for instance, is having a strictly vegetarian diet, i.e. a vegan diet. For one thing, excluding all animal products allows for no cholesterol in your diet. No cholesterol. There is fat. It's very low fat. The only fat that you get is the more beneficial fat that comes from peanuts, well, any nuts and avocados and stuff like that. So there's huge health factors in that. There's, you know, everyone to some extent is lactose intolerant because cow milk is for cows, not for human beings. And you know, that manifests itself in different ways in different people. There's, you know, certain levels of it depending on, you know, who you are. But, you know, cutting that out really does a lot of good for your body. Whereas for the animals, the dairy farms, which, you know, people don't, you know, the dairy and meat industry are very powerful industries in our country.

1:11:48 Drew Political reasons.

1:11:48 AFI Yeah, this is a political reason. And you're not going to learn unless you look how torturous the dairy farms are and the way that they keep their animals and they raise their animals. So simply, you know, not eating meat, yes, you're preventing the murder of these animals, but not eating, you know, not eating eggs, not eating dairy, not eating any animal products prevents the torture of these animals. And the animals are, in fact, tortured horribly. The conditions in which they're kept are really, really powerful. Was that your question, Drew? Did I answer your question, not hers?

1:12:23 AFI Yeah, yeah.

1:12:23 AFI She's like, yeah.

1:12:25 AFI Well, my question is, well, what are you doing to supplement for calcium, protein and iron?

1:12:31 AFI There's a lot of calcium in soy. And there's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of protein in soy. You can get the complete protein from legumes. Beans and rice will create a complete protein. You know, things like tempeh, tofu, you know, if you're trying to gain mass, if you're trying to weight lift, you know, you make the soy protein shakes with the soy milk and the soy powder. You know, leafy greens, dark leafy greens like kale, spinach, they'll get you your B12. So, I mean, it's very, if you're interested in it and you want to do it, you can do it fairly easily, correctly, if you just look into it.

1:13:09 AFI Right, so it's an easy transition from being just a regular vegetarian to vegan?

1:13:13 AFI Yeah, if it's something that you want to do, if it's something that you feel, you know, really, really emotional about, then it's easy to do. I recommend to anybody who is interested in the vegan diet, a book called Diet for a New America by Dr. Robbins.

1:13:30 Drew Isn't there a sort of a quasi-religious or philosophical orientation with vegan too?

1:13:35 AFI That's macrobiotic, I think. I mean, the macrobiotic has exactly what you have described, which is based on food grown at certain times and regionally, and that has the kind of spirituality surrounding it. Veganism and macrobiotic allows for the consumption of fish, whereas veganism does not. But a lot of Buddhists are vegan, and then there is that connection, and there's Krishna, who I think is vegetarian and sometimes vegan. But as far as plain old veganism, it's just a diet. Well, it's not only a diet, I mean, you don't wear fur or leather or wool.

1:14:14 Caller Hey guys, you know of any scientists that are working on photosynthesis for the human being?

1:14:20 AFI I wish. That would be amazing. You know, I'll drink the chlorophyll. Although I hear drinking chlorophyll is good for your blood.

1:14:29 Caller We can get like solar panels.

1:14:31 AFI I guess I can.

1:14:33 Drew Here's another David question. Devon, 16.

1:14:35 AFI Hi. I was wondering, David, what happened to Glitter Boy Clothing?

1:14:39 AFI Actually, it's over. It was a very brief interlude in my life. It just didn't work out. The split was amicable between the company that I was working with and we were just going in different directions immediately. So there was a brief line that came out and closed, but I'm actually working on another line that hopefully will be out sometime mid-next year. I've actually got meetings about that this week and next weekend. So hopefully, I'll be able to create more of what I had in mind and envisioned for Glitter Boy with this next line.

1:15:18 Drew This now is Tiffany24.

1:15:20 AFI Hi Tiffany.

1:15:21 Caller Hi.

1:15:23 Drew What's going on?

1:15:24 Caller Hello.

1:15:24 Drew Hello Loveline.

1:15:26 Caller Hi. Okay. My question has to do... Hi everybody. My question has to do with... Okay. I'm not quite sure what it's called. But I went to my gynecologist because during intercourse I've experienced pain. And so he said that there is a...

1:15:46 AFI How do I say?

1:15:47 Caller It's a shield or something that normally goes away as you grow up. Right.

1:15:55 Drew You're Hymen.

1:15:56 Caller Okay. He didn't quite say that. So I don't know if he just chose not to say that. But he said that mine didn't completely go away. Now is that possible?

1:16:05 Drew Yeah. It's a hymen. You can have an incomplete tear of the hymen. Yes. And sometimes that can cause a little pain. We don't have to talk about that. But that is a potential cause. And it's something fairly easy to fix. That's indeed what the problem is.

1:16:17 AFI How does that work Drew?

1:16:18 Caller He said...

1:16:21 AFI No, no, go ahead.

1:16:21 Drew He said what?

1:16:22 Caller He said that he recommended surgery and he said it's an outpatient surgery. It's nothing serious.

1:16:28 Drew Right. It's pretty simple.

1:16:30 Caller And that will block your cervix and everything.

1:16:34 Drew Well, no. It gives you pain with intercourse.

1:16:37 Caller But I mean, would the hymen actually block your cervix?

1:16:41 Drew No.

1:16:43 Caller He said it's something that's blocking my cervix.

1:16:47 Drew What is the symptom you're having? Why did you go see the doctor?

1:16:51 Caller Because of the pain and he said it could be that.

1:16:53 Drew Okay. I think we're talking about the hymen. I don't know. I think we're talking about the hymen here. It could be that and I agree that you should try to have that repaired. I think that's the way to start. This is Andrea, 24.

1:17:06 AFI Hey guys, what's up?

1:17:08 AFI Hi Davey.

1:17:09 AFI Hi Andrea.

1:17:09 AFI Hey, I just had a question. I kind of have a problem with alcohol and throwing up a lot. I don't know if it's a phase or if it's more of an addiction.

1:17:22 AFI I should seek help.

1:17:24 Drew The bulimia has about a one out of five chance of killing you. So yes, I would go get some help. We see bulimia and anorexia, but particularly bulimia, as part of addiction very, very commonly.

1:17:36 AFI How do I know if it's an addiction or I mean, I don't really know how to decipher whether it is.

1:17:42 Drew It's not up to you to do. It's somebody who really is skilled in this area needs to figure that out for you. I would suggest my experience has been that if the addiction is treated first, if you really truly throw yourself into that process, the eating disorder can very often settle down rather dramatically. You may need a separate course of treatment for the eating disorder, but you're a trauma survivor, right? Did something happen when you were growing up?

1:18:06 AFI Not really, no. I grew up really good, I had a really good family life.

1:18:12 Drew Usually this combo of assumptions and believe me, usually something happened.

1:18:17 AFI When I was younger, my dad died.

1:18:20 Drew How old were you?

1:18:21 Caller 17.

1:18:22 Drew You were younger than that, what did he die of?

1:18:27 Caller A heart attack.

1:18:29 Drew When he was like 40?

1:18:30 Caller He was 50.

1:18:32 Drew That's kind of weird, what's all about?

1:18:33 AFI I don't know, he had an aortic aneurysm.

1:18:37 Drew Aneurysm at 50? Was he a heavy smoker?

1:18:39 Caller Nope.

1:18:41 Drew What?

1:18:42 AFI Yeah.

1:18:42 Drew An aortic dissection or an aortic aneurysm?

1:18:45 AFI An aneurysm they said.

1:18:47 Drew Did he have Marfan's or something weird like that?

1:18:49 AFI What's that?

1:18:50 Drew It's a syndrome like Abraham Lincoln had, where you're tall and have long ditches and things. No?

1:18:55 AFI No.

1:18:56 Drew That is very bizarre.

1:18:57 AFI As far as I know, he was healthy and he was a little overweight but...

1:19:03 Drew Oh, abdominal aortic aneurysm.

1:19:04 AFI Huh?

1:19:05 Drew This is an abdominal aneurysm.

1:19:07 AFI No, aortic.

1:19:08 Drew I know, in the abdominal aorta, not the thoracic aorta.

1:19:12 AFI Well, it was in his heart.

1:19:15 Drew This is all not fitting together, Andrea. Did you live with your dad? Yeah. Where was your mom?

1:19:20 AFI She's there. She's still here now.

1:19:22 Drew Is she okay? No big deal?

1:19:24 AFI Uh-uh. I didn't have any abuse, nothing like that. All right.

1:19:27 Drew Well, and you're drinking too much. What do you mean by that?

1:19:30 AFI Well, it's just like when I go out, I can't like stop. You know what I mean? Like I don't plan on going out and, you know, I plan on like going out, have a few drinks with my friends, but then it's just like it consumes me.

1:19:43 Drew Was there alcoholism in your family?

1:19:45 AFI Not that I know of.

1:19:49 Drew And I feel...

1:19:51 AFI I don't know what to think about it, because I haven't had...

1:19:54 Drew They've now really shown clearly what the genes are associated with a couple of genes anyway, with alcoholism. This is called a serotonin transporter that has a certain, what's called, allele. If you have that and this one abnormality in the GABA-A receptor, you have both those things, you have a 100% chance of getting alcoholism. And the kinds of things you're describing is that. This incredible drive to use and you kind of drink everybody else under the table and you keep drinking.

1:20:17 AFI Could that be somewhere further back in the family line?

1:20:20 Drew Perhaps that just fell apart.

1:20:22 AFI Is there someone further back than your immediate parents? Is there alcoholism in your grandparents or uncles?

1:20:28 AFI I really don't know. It's never been told to me.

1:20:32 Drew Something is not fitting together about your family history. The whole dad dying of an aneurysm, I think a thoracic aneurysm, not an abdominal aneurysm, it's just doesn't all fit for me. So again, go get evaluated. See somebody who's got training in alcoholism or addiction and you'll find usually that eating disorders are often a part of that whole syndrome. Get this kind of sorted out. I mean this is not something, these are very, very serious symptoms. Why don't we hear an AFI song?

1:20:57 AFI Okay.

1:20:58 Drew Which one do you want to hear?

1:21:01 AFI We'll do the leaving song part two off of Sing the Sorrow.

1:21:06 Drew There we go. AFI, still hanging in with me tonight. The phone number is still here. 1-800-LOVE191. I'm all tongue-tied tonight. We could talk about whatever you guys want to talk about. Talk about AFI songs, talk about being vegan, talk about weird discharges, still Loveline. We're going to take another break and be right back. Well, Dave, you're almost there.

1:24:58 AFI All right. I can see it. Almost there. I'm happy to be here. It's a good time with you, Drew.

1:25:03 Drew I appreciate that. Dave Puget has left the building, and Davey from AFI has left behind.

1:25:08 AFI I mean, left behind yet again.

1:25:09 Caller Let's get to the sex.

1:25:13 AFI That's what I'm saying.

1:25:15 Drew All right.

1:25:15 AFI I haven't experienced like that, Drew. Let's get to the sex. Boy, tantric business. Oh, yeah.

1:25:19 Drew Tell me about this.

1:25:20 AFI No, actually, I shouldn't divulge on that. No, go ahead.

1:25:24 Drew You're a wealth of knowledge. It's fascinating. Really?

1:25:27 AFI Well, as I understand it, from what I learned from a very nice, sweet person, but it just seemed that tantric sex is like, for instance, if you and I were having tantric sex, we're actually having tantric sex right now.

1:25:40 Drew Right now.

1:25:40 AFI We've begun the sexual experience. You and I have begun the sexual experience.

1:25:43 Drew Yes. They define their own terms on their own basis.

1:25:46 AFI Exactly. It's the unification of our souls.

1:25:49 Drew We're doing that right now.

1:25:50 AFI It's begun. Probably by the time the album comes out, when I come back, you and I might have an orgasm together.

1:25:58 Drew That's awesome. Then we'll tell everybody we had a four-month orgasm.

1:26:01 AFI I'm not sure because I never made it to that point.

1:26:04 Drew That's awesome.

1:26:05 AFI I cashed out. I called my chips.

1:26:09 Drew I'm out. I'm out. Omar 20. Hi.

1:26:14 AFI Hi Omar.

1:26:16 Caller I'm talking with AFI now.

1:26:18 AFI Just a quarter. Just a quarter. The important part.

1:26:22 Caller I'm in Dixon right now, but I'm from Mexico.

1:26:25 AFI You're from Mexico? You speak a little Spanish?

1:26:29 Caller You see, you're talking in Spanish on the living room part too.

1:26:36 AFI When we were in Mexico City, I was speaking Spanish on the stage a little bit.

1:26:41 Drew Were you there?

1:26:42 Caller No, I'm living in Sonora. It's small on the border.

1:26:45 AFI Okay, that's a lot closer.

1:26:48 Caller Where are you guys right now? I'm in...

1:26:51 Drew Culver City, Southern California.

1:26:53 AFI Yes, Southern California.

1:26:55 Caller Well, I got a question. My girlfriend wants to get a tattoo on her back. She wants wings.

1:27:01 Drew Yeah.

1:27:02 Caller Where do you get your wings?

1:27:04 AFI A wonderful tattooist by the name of Scott Silvia, who has his own shop now in San Francisco called Black Heart Tattoo did My Wings. And he's amazing. And you can get a wonderful tattoo by him or any of the boys in that shop. They're some of the best in the world.

1:27:18 Drew Here's Raylene 21. Raylene.

1:27:26 Caller I read about this procedure.

1:27:28 AFI Well, I guess it's a piercing on a girl's clitoris.

1:27:33 Caller Good time.

1:27:34 Caller I'm sorry.

1:27:35 Drew It's good to keep going. Keep going.

1:27:38 AFI Hello?

1:27:39 AFI Yeah. Go on.

1:27:41 AFI OK. I was wondering if you had any information about it, like if it was the good. I'm considering doing it. And I was wondering if you had like information or anything I should know about it because I don't really know where to find out anything about it.

1:27:55 AFI There's a bunch of different kinds.

1:27:57 Drew Yeah. David, you give your opinion. I'll give mine. Go ahead.

1:27:59 AFI Well, it depends like my from what I understand. There's a couple of different kinds. I mean, there's a hood. There's a hood piercing, which is see if I'm right here, which is which is generally safe. I mean, as safe as it can get down there. Then there's the actual clitoris piercing, which is far more intense and more dangerous. And then there's other piercings, which are probably not talking about. And I don't know the names of those.

1:28:18 AFI But if I were considering the best, like safest would be the hood piercing.

1:28:24 AFI I think the safest is the hood. But I think the other one results in more stimulation.

1:28:28 AFI That one?

1:28:29 AFI But now listen to Drew. Listen to Drew.

1:28:32 Drew He's right. David's right. These people claim they get more stimulation from these. But I've heard a number of people, both of them actually, allegedly give you more stimulation. However, I've had a number of people complain that for a while there's a super lot of degree of sensitivity and then they lose it entirely.

1:28:49 AFI Right. I think that's the risk with the actual clitoris piercing. Whereas the hood is the safer way to go. I mean, I don't have my clitoris pierced, my hood is pierced, so I can't really make a difference.

1:29:00 Drew Yeah, of course. It's just my hood. And you're putting a foreign body through body tissue. It's not like an earlobe. I mean, this really can be potentially damaging. And my other concern is that in my experience, most people that go for these genitalia piercing, kind of acting something out, like there's some physical abuse or sexual abuse or something, that this is sort of the expression of that.

1:29:24 Caller Any of that?

1:29:26 AFI Well, I wasn't sexually abused.

1:29:28 Caller But physically abused?

1:29:30 AFI Yeah, I was physically and emotionally abused when I was a kid. And then I just kind of got out of the relationship not long ago where there's a lot of emotional.

1:29:37 Drew Yeah, so maybe there are better things to do for all of that than putting a spirit through your clitoris.

1:29:43 AFI Just saying. You can go to the gym.

1:29:45 Drew Yeah, or become a vegan.

1:29:46 AFI Yeah, become a vegan. There's all sorts of things you can do for your body other than putting metal through it.

1:29:51 Drew That's David from AFI telling you that.

1:29:53 AFI I got a lot of metal in my body, trust me.

1:29:55 Drew Yeah, but you know what I mean? It's one thing if I say it, but David is telling you the better things. So I listen to him. Alright, thank you. It was David from AFI. We're going to take another break and we will be right back. AFI in the studio, David Havoc, thank you for joining me tonight.

1:30:22 AFI Thank you.

1:30:22 Drew I would thank him too if he were still there. The new CD is MySpace Records Volume 1. The song is Rabbits Are Roadkill on Loop 37. The current album, Sing the Sorrow, with a new one underway.

1:30:35 AFI This spring.

1:30:36 Drew You're truly a Fire Inside fan. You will visit Ukiah and pay appropriate homage to their birthplace, their childhood home.

1:30:44 AFI I actually was born in Rochester, New York, myself. But A&I's birthplace was Ukiah, California.

1:30:48 Drew Alright, fair enough. You were right. Just technicality. Alright, but I really do appreciate you coming in, Davey. Thanks for everything. You did a great job.

1:30:55 AFI Thank you for having me, Drew.

1:30:56 Drew Hope to see you soon.

1:30:57 AFI It's a pleasure.

1:30:58 Drew I appreciate that. Until next time, this is Dr. Drew on behalf of Davey Havoc saying mahalo.

1:31:04 Caller This has been Loveline, Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Annie Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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