Episode 1000740173148

0:22 Voiceover Hey, everybody, it's Dr. Drew. This is Loveline, the phone number 1-800-LOVE-191, in studio with me tonight. Mike Shinoda from Lincoln Park. Hi. And now Fort Minor.

0:32 Mike Shinoda That's right.

0:33 Drew Nice, and Mike and I sort of spent the afternoon together. We did, they performed at Last Call with Carson Daly, and I had just been one of the guests in the show before that. And so I've actually witnessed one of the rare occasions when I've seen one of the bands who come in the studio perform within hours of having been here.

0:46 Mike Shinoda They don't let him out of the studio here. He just gets to sit here in the studio.

0:49 Drew No, just sit here like a big cave, just whatever. So you grew up in the Valley?

0:53 Mike Shinoda That's right.

0:54 Drew San Fernando Valley, Southern California. And then I was reading that you went to Pasadena Art Center.

0:58 Mike Shinoda That is correct as well.

0:59 Drew Which is, I don't know if people know, that's the only, or one of two schools in the country for auto design, right?

1:04 Mike Shinoda It is a big, yeah, actually that is one of the departments of the school that really like, I think they focus on.

1:11 Drew And my understanding is they kick your ass when you're in training there.

1:15 Mike Shinoda It is so, it is one of the hardest things I've ever been through in my life, that's cool.

1:20 Drew What did you study there?

1:20 Mike Shinoda I studied illustration. I actually, if they had a minors program, you're not allowed to minor in anything.

1:26 Drew Right.

1:26 Mike Shinoda You can only have your major and that's it. So I would have done graphics, but I kind of did that on my own.

1:33 Drew Their thing base, is it your graphics?

1:35 Mike Shinoda Yeah, I mean if you look at the, where you're holding the Fort Miner CD right now, we'll talk about the new project Fort Miner in a bit, but I wanted to, if anybody has seen the cover of the CD, I actually did the packaging with a friend of mine named Frank, but I did the majority of the packaging on this one.

1:50 Drew How's this? Fort Miner?

1:51 Mike Shinoda What we're listening to right now is the first single here in the States called Petrified.

1:55 Drew Yeah, from Fort Miner.

1:56 Mike Shinoda That's right.

1:56 Drew This is one of the lead-ins to sort of outros or intros when we go into commercial. Thanks, okay. This is amazing. You said you worked on this particular.

2:06 Mike Shinoda Yeah, actually the thing about the album artwork, if you take a look through on the cover, the back, the insides, I did a series of ten paintings. I usually work on canvas and acrylic, and I did a series of ten paintings, and that's what the artwork was based on.

2:21 Drew Do you sell your paintings?

2:23 Mike Shinoda I'm actually thinking about doing maybe doing a gallery show sometime this next year.

2:29 Drew There's so many great artists in the world that one of the things I know I like doing is sort of attaching myself to the story. You know what I mean?

2:35 Mike Shinoda Yeah.

2:35 Drew Like if it were your art I was living with, they'd be like that'd be making them more meaningful.

2:40 Mike Shinoda I really enjoy, actually with the Lincoln Park stuff as well, I'm involved in all of the print and web art on Lincoln Park as well.

2:49 Drew And Lincoln Park, for those of you that know Lincoln Park's music, what you don't know is these are the nicest guys in...

2:56 Mike Shinoda You said that earlier. You know, I've met a lot of great people touring with Lincoln Park, and I think what we look for in our friends that we meet in touring and whatever, you know, people who are down to earth, I mean, I guess that's a reflection of us. We are regular people, and we look for that in the people we work with. So I think the funny thing about the Fort Minor project is, because of that, I've met a lot of... I have met a lot of people, and I tend to try and stay in touch with them, you know, the people we've met through Lincoln Park, Black Thought from The Roots, Jay-Z, Common, and a lot of these people, those guys I just mentioned, actually were involved in the Fort Minor project as well.

3:39 Drew The Fort Minor is a pretty large group of guys, I mean.

3:41 Mike Shinoda When it comes down to the live show, yeah. For the people who know, who are more into rock music, who know how Nine Inch Nails kind of works, Trent is really, is kind of Nine Inch Nails, but at the same time when they play, when they do studio projects and when they play on stage, he plays with a lot of different people. And that's kind of how Fort Minor works. It's kind of my baby, but at the same time, I have a lot of friends that I brought in to play with us. And as you saw today, when we play live, we play with about 11 people on stage.

4:14 Drew Yeah, it was huge.

4:15 Mike Shinoda Myself and 10 other people.

4:16 Drew It was awesome. And that will be airing a week from today.

4:18 Mike Shinoda It'll be on, what was it?

4:21 Drew Next Wednesday, on Last Call with Carson Daly. And back to the Pasadena Arts Center. Do you wonder why I know so much about that?

4:27 Mike Shinoda Why do you know?

4:28 Drew No, I lived for 10 years at the top of that hill, Lyta, the street you go to.

4:32 Mike Shinoda Oh my gosh, yeah.

4:33 Drew I just lived there for 10 years.

4:34 Mike Shinoda I love that place. It's amazing. Could you see the school from up there?

4:37 Drew No, we're on the other side, the Glendale side of the hill. We'll attract hell, the thousands of homes up there.

4:42 Mike Shinoda I wonder if you ever heard about any of our, I had a lot of friends that lived up in that area when we went to school and we had the worst, we had the worst parties.

4:51 Drew But you would do gags and the best gag you guys had, they would do gags in and around the school. And there's sort of this mountain road, it's right out of, it's right by the Rose Bowl. And you go up the hill there, those hills you see in the pictures from the blimp, on the sort of the smaller hills there. On one of those hills is this art school, it's now world famous, and the road up to leads to a group of tracks homes. And on that road is a sign showing a deer. Beware of deer sign. Do you remember what you guys did to that deer sign?

5:16 Mike Shinoda There was a lot of things going on, what did you see?

5:18 Drew I saw the two deers having sex, it was very good. It was exactly the deer that's in the beware of deer sign, and is kind of impressive.

5:28 Mike Shinoda I bet you I knew the person, I knew the people that did it. There were some really, as you can imagine, there's all versions, different versions of artists that go to the school. And there was one guy I remember in particular, not a friend of mine really, just somebody I kind of knew through other people, who was a shock, he was a fine art major, a shock artist. Like in the version, in the school of like what Marilyn Manson does for music, this guy did that visually and did, like one day we were sitting there in class and these kids came through and they're like, oh my God, did you hear what so-and-so did? He crucified a cat and put it up in front of the school cafeteria.

6:07 Drew Nice.

6:08 Mike Shinoda And that's the kind of school that I went to.

6:10 Drew Nice.

6:11 Mike Shinoda Complete lunatics.

6:12 Drew So, lunatic artists slash criminals.

6:14 Mike Shinoda It's great.

6:15 Drew It's awesome.

6:16 Mike Shinoda Apparently, I mean, he, he swore, I mean, according to the rumors, the cat was already dead, but I mean, still disgusting.

6:24 Drew It's good times. Well, here's a cool, we got lots of good calls lined up. It's 1-800-LOVE-191, Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park. And here's a question about your music before we get going on the Loveline stuff.

6:37 Mike Shinoda So good.

6:38 Drew Thank you Anderson. Morgan 16.

6:40 Hi. Hey, Mike.

6:41 Mike Shinoda Hi.

6:42 I'm a member of the LPU and the Militia.

6:45 Mike Shinoda Fantastic. For the people that want to know, the Militia is the Fort Minor fan club.

6:51 Yeah, pretty awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Me and a bunch of my friends over at the Militia wanted to know if the next Linkin Park album is going to be just like the Hybrid Theory album or like Meteora, or will it be more hip-hop based, you know, like Fort Minor, The Rising Tide?

7:06 Mike Shinoda You know what, I think it's actually, I mean, generally, as you know, being, you know, you know the stuff pretty well, right?

7:13 Yeah.

7:14 Mike Shinoda The Linkin Park stuff and now the Fort Minor stuff. I would say that it's probably not, we're not going to, it's not going to sound like any of those things. We always, whenever we make a new album, we try and make it different. We like Variety. I really like to stretch myself every time we make a new record. So, we are actually writing right now, writing new music. I should, I know some of the guys are listening right now, so we'll say hi to them right now. And they're listening to your voice, they're listening to your question. They, yeah, we've been writing a lot recently and I think this next, I think the next record is going to be a little bit different. It'll be, you know, because it is Linkin Park, you'll recognize the personalities and the sound of the group will still be there. But we definitely want to take it to the next step. We've been affiliated a lot with terms like rap rock and new metal. This is not going to be, I mean, we, we've already, if you think about our last single, which was Breaking the Habit, that, you couldn't call that rap rock. I mean, it was definitely something different. And I think we're going to be continuing to move in different directions on the next record and break further out of those boundaries.

8:25 Drew Speaking of different directions, we're going to move off music and we're going to hit you with Loveline Square Between the Eyes. Lisa 22.

8:32 Hey.

8:32 Drew Hey, Lisa, what's up?

8:34 I just got a question.

8:36 It's kind of a personal, weird question, but I have like my clip, like in between, you know, the lifts, like when you lift up the skin, it's kind of long, like longer than most girls. And it's kind of weird for like my boyfriends whenever we have sex because they, I don't know, they kind of just get weirded out. And I was wondering.

9:02 Drew It's Mike Shinoda from Lincoln Park. Here you go, Mike.

9:05 Mike Shinoda This sounds like what's funny is the way she's describing. It sounds like she's looking at it right now, doesn't it? It sounds like she's like examining it as she talks. The phone's kind of going away. She's like, it's kind of what it kind of looks like.

9:18 Drew So what you're talking about, Lisa, is the inner lips stick out to the outside. The minor lips slip outside of the big lips, the outside lips, right? You have tissue hanging down.

9:32 Mike Shinoda Yeah.

9:32 Drew Yes.

9:36 Mike Shinoda Like I guess cause you have your orgasm.

9:39 Drew No, that's not. No, no, no. No, no. There's two sets of lips in the vulva, right? There's the outer lip which have sort of skin around them and their inner lips and they can be elongate and kind of stick out sort of, you know, protrude from the outer lips. And that's what you're describing. And there are corrective surgeries for that if that's what you're going, the path you're going down.

9:59 In fact, I've heard people that get piercings, you know, that they lose sensation and they can't.

10:04 Drew Yeah, if you've got to got lemonade, lemons make lemonade. What the heck? But now we're not talking about your clitoris, Lisa. Let that go. Your clitoris is up high, you know, at the apex, you know, towards your belly button in that direction. You're talking about something down lower, right?

10:18 Yeah. Well, it's the part that like makes you have an orgasm, like gives the feeling, I guess.

10:23 Drew No.

10:24 That's what's longer.

10:25 Drew No, no, no, no. No. Oh, my.

10:30 Mike Shinoda Have you had one? Have you had one before?

10:34 Mike Shinoda Yeah. Oh, yeah. It makes it a lot easier. But like, you know, like a lot of my boyfriends that I've had, they just they just like, I don't know, like, they find out they they're just like, whoa.

10:51 Drew If you're calling from North Carolina, interesting, there is a woman of a gynecologist name, I'm blanking on her name right now, that does laser reductions on this exact issue. And I was a skeptic about this. I went out there and did a television program, visited her and scrubbed in on her surgeries. And they're very elegant surgeries and the women are very happy with them and they're minorly traumatic and if that makes you happy then there you go. There's sort of nothing to it, frankly. But until you can figure out the parts, Lisa, I wouldn't go in to have the parts sort of worked on a repair. Just figure out what's working and what's not. The guys are fine with it, by the way. The guys are interested in the fact that you're having sex with them. That's about all they're interested in. Chris18, you're on with Mike Shinoda from Lincoln Park.

11:31 Caller Hello?

11:32 Drew Hey Chris, what's happening?

11:33 Caller What's going on, man?

11:35 Mike Shinoda What's up, Chris?

11:36 Caller I'm not doing too much. I got a few questions for you guys.

11:39 Drew Hold on. What kind of name is Shinoda?

11:41 Mike Shinoda My last name?

11:42 Drew Yeah.

11:42 Mike Shinoda That's Japanese.

11:43 Drew So you're part Japanese?

11:44 Mike Shinoda I'm half Japanese. And part Caucasian. My mom's family's all, they've been in the US forever.

11:51 Drew So they're related to Benjamin Franklin or something.

11:53 Mike Shinoda Yeah. All kinds of European background.

11:55 Drew All right, Chris, what's the question?

11:57 Caller Okay. My question is, and I am having intercourse with, I mean, I've had intercourse in the past few weeks with a few different people. And it just seems when I'm with certain people, like I become disinterested, or if I'm doing a certain position, like I look at it different, or I get out of the mood or something like that.

12:18 Mike Shinoda He said people, he didn't say girls.

12:20 Caller Oh, no, they definitely are girls.

12:22 Mike Shinoda Okay.

12:23 Caller Definitely.

12:24 Drew Why don't you have a relationship with somebody you're actually into instead of acting out sexually with people you're not interested in, and who the slightest little sort of deviation from the perfect position causes you to lose your interest?

12:37 Caller Well, it's not just that. I mean, I've been, I was engaged. I had a fiance before, and I mean, I've been somebody that I really like.

12:45 Drew How was that?

12:46 Caller It was okay. I didn't have a problem with her. Like everything with her was fine all the time. Then after her, I'm not exactly sure I could say how many other than with, but I mean, I've been checked for anything. That's all good, but when I'm doing certain positions or things like that, like, okay, if I'm with this girl that I occasionally get with, well, it's more of an occasional, if she's writing anything like that, everything's fine. But if we go doggy or anything like that, it completely changes. I'm like, it's weird. Like I'll be interested in them. Like right in the beginning, it'll be hot. And then like, once she like, wants it like harder and anything like that, then I get disinterested.

13:24 Drew You're either not into her or you're not fitting together, you're not communicating. This is about this relationship. Just, Chris, go find somebody like the girl who was your fiancee, but don't get engaged. You're in no business getting married.

13:36 Caller Yeah.

13:37 Drew All right. But find somebody who makes you happy like that first one. You're capable of that kind of relationship. Go ahead and find another one. You're not going to be happy this way, going out with lots of girls that sort of, if they're not perfectly positioned, they lose everything or if they have wants and desires that aren't sort of within your idealized needs, you shut down. Daniel 16.

13:56 Yo, Mike, what's up?

13:59 Mike Shinoda I like this guy.

14:00 Drew I do too. He's nice and clear. I can understand him. He's got a pulse.

14:03 Mike Shinoda You got a lot of spunk, kid. He's a spunky kid. What's happening?

14:08 Nothing, dude. Ever since you guys freaking Linkin Park, since Hybrid Theory, I even started my own band, dude. You guys rock.

14:15 Drew Cool, dude.

14:16 And now I'm also a big fan of Fort Miner. Congratulations for that.

14:19 Mike Shinoda Thank you, man. Thanks very much.

14:21 Yeah.

14:22 So what's going on?

14:26 Mike Shinoda Is that the question? What's going on?

14:31 Dude, I've been trying to get on the show for days now. It's so freaking hard to get on.

14:35 Drew All right. Well, here you are. It's your big chance. You got about 30 seconds.

14:38 Mike Shinoda Ask me a question, dude.

14:39 I just want to say you guys roll. Oh, yeah. And Dr. Drew, I'm also a way big fan of Loveline.

14:43 Mike Shinoda Oh, cool.

14:43 Drew That's great. And how great is it you got on the night that Mike Shinoda is on, right?

14:47 Oh, I've been looking forward to it.

14:50 Drew All right. Can we make this experience more pleasant for you in any way? No. You need a warm towel. Heat up on your coffee. Warm up on your coffee. You're OK, dude?

15:03 I'm looking forward to the new CD, man.

15:05 Drew Thank you, man.

15:07 Mike Shinoda Thanks. You know, we didn't say thanks, man. You know, we didn't say we were talking about the next Linkin Park CD a second ago. I actually, since we are writing right now, it's really cool. I think that we're probably going to be able to get that out like next year. So that is definitely a cool thing. I did want to throw that. I meant to say that a second ago and we didn't throw it out there.

15:27 Drew So for those... Does it have a name yet?

15:29 Mike Shinoda We actually don't. We're still trying to figure out the producer situation. We're trying to figure out, you know, the name. And actually, one thing that the guys did do, if you notice on the Fort Minor CD, I produced and mixed every track on that. And I did... I've done a lot of work on the other CDs too. And I think... And the guys have told me on this next one, they're going to give me a producer credit, which is really... That's nice. I mean, you know, as far as what your friends can... That's kind of a nice little nod, you know?

15:56 Drew Speaking of... Oh, absolutely. Tell me about this Shortcuts Association.

16:00 Mike Shinoda Oh, the song... The song Right Now.

16:02 Drew Yeah.

16:03 Mike Shinoda You know the movie Shortcuts? No. Okay. So on the Fort Minor CD, we have... What number song is it here? The number three, song called Right Now, features Black Thought of the Roots and Styles of Beyond. And I really... I love this movie, Shortcuts. It's a film by...

16:20 Drew It's Robert Altman, right?

16:21 Mike Shinoda Robert Altman.

16:22 Drew He made MASH and many other great films.

16:24 Mike Shinoda He's a real... It was a really phenomenal film. It's actually... It's kind of... What's neat about it is it's the story of all these different characters that kind of... They don't relate almost at all, but they keep... Since they live in the same area, and their lives keep kind of coming together in these really strange ways. And I wanted to do a song where you kind of... From different people's perspective, you write these different little stories that jump from one to the other, and it's just a weird little cross-section of life. You know what I mean? And I figured by bringing in different people, different artists, that you kind of achieve a cool... Each person gives their perspective, and that's what ended up happening. My perspective is entirely different from Styles of Beyond, and theirs is entirely different from Black Thought. So that's kind of just... That's where it came. And the funniest part is that once I started writing it, once it was really like in the middle of writing the song, I realized it was a lot like that Van Halen video for Right Now was the name of the song. So that's kind of where it kind of...

17:20 Drew Oh, how interesting.

17:20 Mike Shinoda That's where it came from. If you ever saw that video.

17:22 Drew Interesting. Here's Marlee 22. Marlee?

17:25 Caller Hi, okay.

17:26 I have kind of a weird question.

17:29 Drew Okay, go right ahead. So far we haven't had any weird questions tonight.

17:32 Caller No, it's really bizarre. I've been telling people. Okay, so me and my husband have been married for five years. I'm 22 and he's 23. And about three months ago, I was looking, I was looking up on the internet.

17:47 Drew Hold on. Do you have any kids?

17:49 Mike Shinoda Yeah.

17:52 Mike Shinoda People are groaning in the room.

17:54 Drew Go ahead. We're just scared of what's going to happen to your poor child. But go ahead.

17:58 Caller Okay. Okay. So this, it gets really bad.

18:01 Drew I'm glad you realized that.

18:04 Caller So it gets really bad.

18:05 Drew I'm glad you realized that.

18:06 Caller I found out, okay. I found out that he was looking at porn on the internet. I told him, stop doing it. And he promised to never happen again. So then-

18:15 Drew Hold on. Hold on. He was looking at porno?

18:18 Caller Yeah.

18:19 Drew I think he was a particular kind?

18:22 Caller Just regular porn, just-

18:24 Drew When you told him to stop doing it, when you told him to stop, you believed him when he said he'd never do it again?

18:30 Caller Um, yeah.

18:31 Drew That was a mistake.

18:33 Caller Yeah.

18:34 Drew Okay, here we go.

18:35 Caller Okay. So then I started investigating because I didn't believe that he was telling me the truth, so I investigated it. And I found out that he had called or had been writing to an escort agency and was trying to become a male prostitute.

18:49 Drew Oh, wow.

18:51 Mike Shinoda That's rough.

18:52 Drew Wow. That's heavy.

18:54 Caller Yeah. And I was wondering, I confronted him about it, and he said he was doing it for money, but I'm wondering if there's something else that is causing him to want to do that.

19:04 Drew Well, was he sexually abused when he was growing up? Do you know?

19:07 Caller He said he wasn't at all.

19:09 Drew Is he bipolar or an addict? Any of those things?

19:11 Caller No, he doesn't drink. He doesn't do drugs. He's not bipolar. He's totally chill, like a really laid back guy.

19:19 Drew And he's going to do this for money. Whom did he imagine would be his clients?

19:25 Caller I have business women, maybe, I guess.

19:27 Drew What is it?

19:28 Caller Business women, I guess.

19:30 Hey, Drew.

19:31 Drew Yeah.

19:31 You got to have her sit down and watch Midnight Cowboy with him.

19:34 Drew Yeah. Marlee.

19:35 Explain it all.

19:36 Drew Marlee. You know how men use prostitutes?

19:41 Caller Yeah.

19:41 Drew Okay. Pretty much only men use prostitutes, right?

19:44 Caller Right.

19:45 Drew So what do you think would happen to a male prostitute?

19:51 Caller They'd get you.

19:52 Drew By who?

19:54 Caller Women?

19:55 Drew No. Pretty much only men use prostitutes. So who do you figure would use male prostitutes? Just follow my reasoning for a second.

20:03 Caller Oh, men.

20:04 Drew Men. Gay men. Male prostitutes service gay men. Okay. And many male prostitutes, people that get into this think they're going to be with these, as you said, business women, the female equivalent of the male sort of high-end prostitute user. No effing way. Okay. He's going to be with men if he gets into this. And this is a, not only is it an unexpected path for him, it's a compulsive path, it's a traumatic path, it's difficult to get out of once you get down it. People feel ashamed, it motivates more of this acting out. He needs, I would urge you to get a mental health evaluation for your husband before he heads in the direction that he may not emerge from.

20:44 Caller Well, I made him go to a sex therapist, but he said that he hasn't had any problems and hasn't wanted to do it again.

20:52 Drew You know, you need to go to somebody who's not just a sex therapist, but somebody who has expertise in sexual addictions and compulsions. If he comes back again, let me refer you to the Delamo Hospital in Torrance, okay?

21:06 Caller Okay.

21:07 Drew Just remember that. If he seems secretive, you really have more on your hands here than I think you realize, all right?

21:14 Caller Okay. Thank you.

21:15 Drew All right. Good luck.

21:16 Mike Shinoda How often do you get calls from prostitutes on Loveline?

21:22 Drew Pretty rare. Now that you've asked for them, I guess we'll get some.

21:25 Mike Shinoda No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.

21:26 Drew No, it'll be interesting. Why not? We're up for anything here. But I'd say once every couple months, something like that.

21:34 Mike Shinoda Really?

21:35 Drew Prostitutes are not typical fare on the show, but they're always interesting when they do call. And we had one woman call who was a female escort for sort of, for whatever reason, we got into long discussions about the fetish stuff she was into, where guys would want to be peed on and all kinds of wild stuff. And remember her? Dominatrix. Dominatrix, all right. There was Dominatrix services and we're interested in who the clients are, why they do it. I mean, it's interesting, right? You never get to see that world. But tonight, maybe we will. Mike Shinoda from Lincoln Park has requested that people that are Dominatrix, Dominatrices, Dominatrixes, prostitutes, all you call, give us a bird's eye view of your life. See what got you into it, what it's like to be there. We're interested. We're just in the human experience. And the band is Fort Minor. The CD is called The Rising Tide.

22:22 Mike Shinoda It's T-I-E-D.

22:23 Drew T-I-E-D like, let's see, is that how they spell it?

22:26 Mike Shinoda Dominatrix Tide. Ah, like the detergent.

22:30 Drew All right. And we're going to hear a song from the CD after the, probably towards the end of the next break. But right now we're going to go to commercial. So give us a call at 1-800-LOVE-191. That's right, it's Mike Shinoda on Loveline 1-800-LOVE-191. You can call him with some Fort Minor questions, some Lincoln Park questions, or just some Loveline questions. So let's get to the Loveline here. This is Michelle 21.

23:12 Mike Shinoda Hello.

23:13 Drew Hey, Michelle, what's up?

23:15 Mike Shinoda Not much. Hi, Mike.

23:18 Mike Shinoda Hi. How are you doing?

23:20 Mike Shinoda Good. How are you?

23:21 Mike Shinoda I'm okay.

23:22 Mike Shinoda Okay, my question is, Dr. Drew. Okay, I found out. I'm kind of nervous. Okay, I found out that I've had this talent when I was 11, and I guess you would call it sporting.

23:38 Drew I'd call that a talent, yes.

23:39 Yeah.

23:41 Mike Shinoda I'm just wondering, okay, first of all, I don't know how rare it is, and second of all, is it healthy? Am I defective or?

23:49 Drew Yeah, you know, let me answer your question and give you a couple of comments. Okay. One, perfectly normal, definitely healthy, but pretty uncommon, if not rare. Unfortunately, there's no data about how often this occurs. I would bet it's about 1% of women do this, or maybe 2 or 3.

24:09 Mike Shinoda Where does it come from?

24:11 Drew Hold on.

24:12 Mike Shinoda What is that?

24:14 Drew You look totally mystified. And most women, it's hard to collect data on this particular talent, because most women are ashamed of it. And they feel like there's something wrong. As you asked, you feel defective, when in fact, it's perfectly normal. And for the most part, guys are into it. Guys like the fact that they produce something to you. My rule of thumb would be to you just to say, Oh my God, you were the only one to be able to do that. He'll be over the top. He'll never get over it. He'll always be interested in you. So having said all that, where does it come from? That's also open for debate. Sometimes it's female orgasmic incontinence, so it's urine sometimes. Sometimes it comes from the various glands in the area there, the Bartholomew's glands, Skeen's glands, a lot of glandular material that can produce a fair amount of fluid. So it's good. How'd you discover it, by the way?

25:05 Mike Shinoda When I was 11, masturbating with a bath massager.

25:10 Drew Bath massager, so water.

25:13 Mike Shinoda Bath massager and water.

25:14 Drew Back massager, I see. That's right. You couldn't really, really distinguish the squirting if you were in the tub. And things are good now? You have good relationships?

25:23 Mike Shinoda Not right now, but it was good in the relationship. Yeah, I feel like I didn't let anyone know about it, and then it like accidentally happened, and I freaked out. I was like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to do that. I thought I peed and he was like, Oh my God, that's amazing. And I don't know, I felt uncomfortable at first, but then it was great.

25:44 Drew When you saw him do that touchdown dance, the touchdown dance around the bed, you thought, all right, I guess it's okay. Now, you shouldn't be ashamed of that. And really, it's a normal thing and it is a talent because it's relatively unusual. But again, guys like evidence of their work. And, you know, as an artist, you can appreciate actually producing something, right? I mean, it's not nailing a cat up on a cross or anything.

26:08 Mike Shinoda Yeah, I mean, you know, I like the fact that you just put that on the... Yeah, that is definitely an art form, I guess, isn't it?

26:14 Drew See? See? Jessica 23.

26:17 Again, guys like evidence of their work.

26:19 Drew Jessica, turn your radio off. Action producing. OK, well, maybe she goes to us here. Never turn it up. Yeah.

26:29 Caller Let's listen to how we're doing.

26:32 Mike Shinoda Yeah, you sound really good, Drew.

26:34 Drew That's you.

26:35 Mike Shinoda No, no, no. There it is. Hello? There she is.

26:40 Drew Turn your damn radio off. Jessica, turn your radio off. We're sitting here waiting for you. That was a nice...

26:46 Caller OK, so I have kind of a different question. It doesn't have to do with sex, but it has more to do with intimacy, I think. I have a really hard time trusting my boyfriend. We live together and we've been together for two years. And for some reason, I'm inclined to open his mail and look through things and I feel really guilty about it. I know that it's wrong, but I do it anyway.

27:10 Drew Let me ask you kind of a funny question. Do you cheat?

27:13 Caller No, I don't at all.

27:15 I would never do that.

27:16 Drew Really? Or would you have trouble containing your behaviors if sort of certain opportunities presented themselves?

27:22 Caller No, I would absolutely. I mean, I've had guys ask me out in situations where I could have done something. I would never do that.

27:30 Drew And did you, your parents, your family of origin, was they cheating there?

27:34 Caller Well, I've never met my dad.

27:37 Drew How old were you when he left?

27:39 Caller I'd never met him. I grew up with a single mother. And then I actually moved in with my grandparents in fourth grade. So my grandpa kind of served as the father role, but my boyfriend thinks that I'm worried about being abandoned or something like that.

27:55 Drew Of course, of course. Where was your mom? Why did she drop you off with her parents?

28:00 Caller Because she went back to school and couldn't afford it.

28:05 Drew That's very heavy, right? Your mom just drops you off with the grandparents?

28:09 Caller Well, you know, I kind of feel blessed to have been with them just because my mom was very young and she couldn't afford to have a daughter. And so I had a secure home life with them and I never, I never feel, I don't remember ever feeling abandoned. So I don't know where this has come from.

28:24 Drew Well, it's great that you did get some benefits from it. But the reality is you were abandoned by dad. And believe me, that has a huge impact on their daughters. Huge when guys leave women behind. They feel unworthy. They feel unloved. They constantly long for unavailable men like dad. And then when you add mom to put a one-two punch on it, she drops you off somewhere. Well, now I'm on this unworthy person that's not worthy of love, that needs to be left behind, that thank God she left me somewhere safe where I could flourish, but I'm still that person that people abandon. And that's what you expect from your love objects. You expect them to abandon you. The scary thing though is when you have a trauma like that, you'll find ways to repeat it. You'll either be with guys that are not available or you'll push guys away who are available.

29:09 Caller So my question is, I can't afford counseling right now, but I feel like I need it. And I was wondering if you had any suggestions for maybe a book or another way to deal with something like this.

29:21 Drew You know, a book you might read is called I Hate You, Don't Leave Me, which is not specifically about what you have, but it's about people that have abandonment issues. And it might be stuff in there that you could relate to. Okay?

29:32 Caller I hate you, don't leave me.

29:33 Drew Okay, thank you. But realize that you might try some support groups, that sort of thing. Having support of other people would really be very helpful. Even if it's just good friends, you keep other people around, use their central nervous system to support your own. Here's one of the male prostitutes we're asking to talk to. Aaron, thanks for calling in, buddy, 24.

29:50 Caller Hey, what's up, guys?

29:51 Drew So tell us what it's like.

29:53 Oh, it's interesting.

29:55 Caller I figured you guys were wanting somebody to call on the Spice Nite up a little bit.

29:58 Drew Well, that's why I thought we want to know what it looks like, what you do.

30:01 Mike Shinoda How long have you been doing it?

30:03 Caller About two years now.

30:04 Drew How'd you get into it?

30:05 My friends, a buddy of mine.

30:07 Mike Shinoda He's one?

30:09 Drew He does it?

30:10 Caller Yeah. I actually have a couple friends that do it.

30:13 Drew Just for money or what's the plan?

30:15 Caller Yeah, the money's really good.

30:16 Drew So it's primarily motivated out of financial issues?

30:19 Caller Yeah, exactly.

30:20 Drew Were you thinking, before you started doing this, were you having other sort of sexual compulsions or, you know?

30:27 Yeah, I'm kind of a freak.

30:29 Drew Yeah. So this seemed like, is one of the things that's common if somebody chooses to be an escort or a prostitute is no boundaries. Boundaries, sexual boundaries, those kind of boundaries.

30:38 Yeah, I have absolutely none.

30:39 Caller I'm open to anything.

30:40 Drew Good times.

30:41 Caller I'm a very open-minded person.

30:42 That's what I tell my clients.

30:43 Drew Yeah, open-minded is convincing yourself or defending yourself from the fact that you've got yourself in some weird situations. Yeah. So is it guys, girls?

30:53 Primarily guys.

30:54 Caller I'm actually with a client right now.

30:57 Drew And what?

31:00 Caller He thought it was a funny idea if I'd be calling Loveline right now.

31:02 Drew There you go. Well, does he, and does he tell him to give you a bonus ride for calling Loveline?

31:07 Mike Shinoda He leads the bonus you out.

31:09 Drew Be careful, it might mean more work for him. Is there, these guys that you service, do they have other lives? Do they have other mates or wives?

31:17 A lot of time, yeah, a lot of times, sometimes they're married and they have kids, but they lead like the second life. And it's weird. I guess you call them like undercover homosexuals.

31:27 Drew How about the amphetamine situation? You see a lot of that?

31:30 No, I don't deal with that at all.

31:31 Caller I don't put up with it.

31:32 Drew Well, no, wait a minute. I got a lot of patients that are amphetamine addicts who visit male prostitutes. I mean, that's a common combination. You're not dealing with that?

31:40 Caller Can I tell you guys something?

31:41 Drew Yeah.

31:42 You've just been...

31:43 Drew Oh, well done. Well done. Were you going to hand off the phone to the partner? The guy that was supposed to be your client?

31:51 Caller I didn't think you guys were ever going to get to it, man. I was going to play the client, but...

31:54 Drew All right, fair enough. Well done. Well done. Yes, applause.

31:59 Mike Shinoda I've never... I don't think I've heard... I don't know what... I don't think I've ever heard you get jacked like that.

32:07 Drew When they're good, they're good. Yeah, we can appreciate it.

32:09 Mike Shinoda I mean, like, I don't have any experience in the matter, so...

32:12 Drew No, he seemed low-key enough, specific enough. That's good. Senia, 18.

32:17 Caller Hello?

32:19 Drew Is that Senia? Is that right?

32:20 Mike Shinoda Yeah, Senia.

32:22 Drew What's going on, Senia?

32:23 Mike Shinoda Hey, what's up? Is this Dr. Drew?

32:27 Drew Yeah, I'm here with Mike Shinoda.

32:29 Mike Shinoda Oh, hey, Mike. What's up?

32:31 Mike Shinoda Hi.

32:32 Drew What's going on there?

32:34 Mike Shinoda Oh, nothing. Kind of late here in New York. But I just had a question. Right now, I'm in a long-distance relationship. And me and my boyfriend have been going out for like around six months. I saw him over the summer. And then he had to leave to another country because he studies there. So like, I'm really into this guy, but I don't know about this thing. He's going over there and I'm here in college and so on.

33:07 Drew Where are you in college?

33:09 Mike Shinoda I go to the University at Albany.

33:12 Drew Okay. Are you in Albany?

33:13 Mike Shinoda Um, yeah. Right now. Yeah.

33:16 Drew But you're from New York City. Yeah. So it's actually spoken at Albany. It's a good school.

33:21 Mike Shinoda Excuse me?

33:22 Drew I've actually spoken at your school before. Oh, yeah. A few years ago. But listen, here's the deal. Here's the reality is that when you're in college, you really need an opportunity to separate from your family of origins, separate from other relationships and explore who you are in this new community that you're going to be a part of for the next at least four years. To cling to a relationship that's thousands of miles away, it's okay, it's great, but it keeps a big piece of you emotionally tied up and unavailable somewhere else for a relationship that the overwhelming probability is will not work out. These things in college don't work out. He's probably, I hate to say it, what do you think he's doing over there and wherever he is in Turkey or Italy, wherever he is, this stuff going on and that's normal for college-age kids. That's what you're supposed to do in college and not try to cling to a relationship. Now, I'm not saying yours won't work out, you shouldn't. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you're losing a lot of your college experience, tying yourself up with a relationship that really, overwhelmingly probably is not going to work out. So Mike Shinoda is in here in the studio. It's Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, and we're going to hear something from Fort Minor off the new CD, The Rising Tide, and the song is called?

34:38 Mike Shinoda The song is called Remember the Name. It features Styles of Beyond, who are here in the LA area listening. So what's up, guys? Yeah, it is.

34:48 Drew Track two.

34:49 Mike Shinoda Track number two off of the Rising Tide. Remember the Name.

38:22 Drew That's it, Fort Miner, Mike Shinoda, The Rising Tide is a CD that was Remember The Name. So Mike Shinoda is in here tonight on Loveline 1-800-LOV-E-191. Give him a call. And we're still looking for male prostitutes. Tell us about the female prostitutes too. Just see what it looks like. And until we return, we'll be right back after this. All right, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191-1-800-LOVE-191. Call, talk to myself, Dr. Drew, and Mike Shinoda.

39:01 Mike Shinoda You know what's funny is that I've listened to this show enough times that I memorized the number. Like, you know how, isn't it weird how your brain holds on to strange, to just those little bits of information that you don't think that you remember?

39:14 Drew Yes.

39:14 Mike Shinoda And somebody asked me to do, oh, you're going to be on Loveline, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, yeah, you should call in. And I knew the number. I told them the number to call in.

39:20 Drew That's either interesting or it's, or it's sad, or it's sad, or it's sad, or pathetic, however you want to look at it. Here's Anna, 21.

39:29 Caller Hi, I have a question.

39:31 Caller I have a boyfriend, well, okay, let me explain the situation.

39:34 I'm a pizza delivery girl.

39:36 Drew Say that again, your what?

39:37 Mike Shinoda Pizza delivery girl.

39:37 Mike Shinoda I'm a pizza delivery girl.

39:39 Drew Pizza delivery girl, okay.

39:40 Caller And I have a boyfriend.

39:41 Mike Shinoda He always wants me to come home and like the pizza delivery girl get up with like the pie in hand, my little hat.

39:47 Caller And he's like, has a huge sex fantasy about that.

39:49 Mike Shinoda Is that okay?

39:53 Mike Shinoda Did he meet you from like being, did he meet you when you delivered a pizza?

39:57 Caller No, no, no, no, he didn't.

39:59 Drew See what Mike's alluding to is, well, my first thought too is like he has, he wants to do that. He wants to meet other pizza delivery girls. He wants sex delivered with a pie. And you know, it's fine as long as it remains a fantasy, whatever. It doesn't really mean anything.

40:14 Mike Shinoda So as long as he's not, as long as he's not hooking up with other pizza delivery.

40:18 Drew Exactly. That's precisely what I was trying to say. But no, it's fine to do that. I don't see anything wrong with that. In other words, stuff. Jasmine 25.

40:26 Caller Hi, I actually have a serious question. I got out-

40:29 Drew Well, so let's call it a serious question too now. Come on.

40:32 Caller I think mine's a little more serious.

40:34 Drew All right, go ahead.

40:35 Caller Well, I got out of the military about a year ago. And before I got out, I was having a lot of health problems, which ended up finding out after I got out that I got diagnosed with endometriosis, okay? Yeah, I'm only 25 years old and I'm married and I've been married for almost two years now and I have no libido at all. I mean, when my husband and I have sex, I do not enjoy it. It's painful for me. And I mean, basically, I just do it to get him off. And I'm just laying there.

41:05 Mike Shinoda Are you can we can we back up real quick? I don't know. What is that?

41:08 Drew Endometriosis is uterine tissue that gets outside the uterus into the pelvic area, pelvic cavity. And it causes it lands on the tubes and it lands on the colon. It lands on the bladder and causes real serious inflammation there. How did they make that diagnosis, by the way?

41:23 Caller Well, basically, I had been I had gone to the ER like five times. And military hospitals are not that great.

41:29 Drew OK, so far, by the way, you're not you're not building a case for endometriosis. You're building a case for something else.

41:37 Caller Well, what happened was I was having really bad pain in my right side of my abdomen, OK? And I was screaming pain. And it only happened when I was about to get my menstrual period. OK? And I always ask my parents, you know, because they were nurses, if that was normal. And they were like, oh, it is normal. So I went on thinking that it was OK. And until I started to just scream in pain so bad that I couldn't handle it anymore. And I was with my husband at the time. You know, we weren't married at the time, but...

42:08 Drew Are you, have you always had no libido?

42:11 Caller No. I mean, when we were first dating, I was wanting to have sex all the time. All right.

42:16 Drew So let's sort of add the score. Let's just add the score up here, which is unexplained pelvic pain, lots of trips to the ER, parents or nurses, fluctuations in libido, what we call a bipolar fluctuation from very high sex drive to very low sex drive. And by the way, now when you're experiencing low sex drive, are you on medication or treatment of any kind?

42:37 Caller I'm on mandatory birth control because there's just nothing we can do.

42:40 Drew Now what is the birth control pill you're on?

42:42 Caller Well, I went on one kind.

42:44 Drew What do you want now?

42:45 Caller I'm on the Deprovera shot.

42:47 Drew OK, well Deprovera will shut your libido down.

42:49 Caller Well, so does the OrthoEvra. I mean, it's horrible.

42:52 Drew Well, but the Depo, in my experience, nothing's worse than Depo in terms of shutting off libido.

42:57 Caller That's great.

42:58 Drew So there you go. That explains why the biology is the way it is. But I got to ask this other question, because if you start adding up the score of unexplained pelvic pain and all this stuff, sexual abuse comes into the picture here too. That's the most common cause of unexplained pelvic pain.

43:12 Caller What do you mean?

43:13 Drew I mean, history of sexual abuse in childhood is the most common.

43:16 Caller Oh, yeah. I was raped two months before I was 22.

43:20 Drew Now, how about as a kid, child?

43:23 Caller I had some, I'm trying to think. I was never, well, I lost my virginity at 22. That's basically.

43:30 Drew But no one ever touched you or did anything inappropriate to you or tried to have sex with you or had sex with you.

43:34 Caller That happened like while I was in the military.

43:37 Drew When you were a child?

43:38 Caller No.

43:39 Drew Nothing like that when you were a child.

43:40 Caller It only started when I was 18.

43:42 Drew Okay. So no inappropriate sexual contact by other children or adults or anything of that sort when you were a child?

43:48 Caller No. Just when I was 18.

43:49 Drew All right. So you have endometriosis. Hopefully, you don't have a tubal infection from that rape.

43:54 Caller I mean, I've been seeing doctors and everything like that. But I went through two months of straight blood, you know? And nothing was happening.

44:06 Drew Yeah. But Jasmine, again, you're spinning about all this stuff. Yes. It's normal when you take the depot shot. You expect to bleed. Well, then that's not normal. It's not normal.

44:16 Caller They had to switch my birth control because of that.

44:19 Drew Well, that's not too much of bleeding. You see you're all over the place, Jasmine. That's what's called breakthrough bleeding. That's not I'm hemorrhaging constantly. No, stop with the drama. Endometriosis is a very common condition. If you plan to have it soon because it can affect your fertility, but this is a common condition. It's unpleasant. It's awful. I don't want to make little of how miserable it can be, but try to be more systematic with it and less involved in the drama. It's an easily manageable condition. Most often, the birth control, you should be able to find something that doesn't cause the drop in libido and get on with having kids if that's what you plan to do because as you enter your thirties with endometriosis, the risks of infertility go really up quickly. Mike Shinoda here is very quiet at the endometriosis call. He likes pelvic pain.

45:03 Mike Shinoda It's a roller coaster over here on Loveline.

45:05 Drew We go in from Fort Minor to Lincoln Park to Rising Tide to endometriosis to male prostitutes. So here we go. It's Loveline. The phone number is 1-800-LOVE-191. Mike Shinoda is in with us tonight and we will be right back. This is Loveline, I'm Dr. Drew, he is Mike Shinoda. Mike and I spent the afternoon together at Last Call with Carson Daly. I got the pleasure of seeing Fort Miner perform. They were great.

45:41 Mike Shinoda Thank you.

45:41 Drew And we've got a couple questions for the band. This is about the band. This is Richard 22.

45:46 Mike Shinoda Yeah.

45:46 Drew Richard.

45:48 Caller I just want to say what's up to Mike, what's up to Dr. Drew, and how you guys doing?

45:53 Mike Shinoda Yeah. Doing good. What's your question?

45:56 I'm wondering if you guys are gonna be touring in California anytime soon.

46:00 Caller I know you guys have been in Japan. I was with SOB.

46:02 Drew Was that right?

46:03 Mike Shinoda Yeah. We've actually......in California. You are definitely following the group. Well, actually... Isn't this a good... It's a funny... Go ahead, man. Go ahead.

46:11 Caller I'm a toxic affiliate.

46:13 Mike Shinoda Okay. The thing for us is the funny thing about Fort Minor is that it's actually... The record just came out. It's out in stores right now. It just came out. It took off... The weird thing is, it took off really, really fast overseas. And here in the States, we've been taking it really slow, building it from the underground, you know. I kind of want to just come out... If you can imagine, it'd be really easy for me to put Mike Shinoda on the cover of Linkin Park, you know, and then throw Timberland and Neptunes and all the big names on the CD and sell it like that, you know. I didn't want to go that route. I wanted to do it with my friends. I wanted to do it in a more artistic way, focus on the music. That's why I named the project instead of calling him, you know, putting Mike Shinoda on the cover. That's why I put a picture, a painting on the cover instead of putting my picture because I wanted to focus on the music. So it's set up and it's more underground record. And here in the States, it's been taking its time. Overseas, for some reason, it just jumped off. So we actually went out and did some shows. We did Japan, did Europe and a bunch of stuff like that. The question was, when are we coming to the States? We actually were talking about that. I was talking with my kind of manager and those guys about that tonight and we are hoping to do domestic shows in late January, early February. So that's the answer to the question. I hope, just as usual, if you want to know more info, you can go to fortminer.com.

47:39 Drew There you go, Richard.

47:41 Caller I also want to know, when are you going to do more stuff with like, some of the stuff like with Scoop DeVille, a couple of those artists like that. I know you've got some tracks I heard on the mixtape too.

47:50 Mike Shinoda Are you friends with Scoop?

47:51 Caller I am friends with Scoop.

47:53 Mike Shinoda Yeah, you see how it works. These guys, they think they're being sneaky, but I know, I can tell when they're affiliated. We should shout out Scoop though. Scoop is a friend of ours. He's kind of affiliated with those guys who were on the song we just played. Remember the name? That's Styles of Beyond. They're in a group called Demi Gods and Scoop is an affiliate of that crew. So it's kind of a, it's a weird, we have this whole weird big family of just underground LA rappers and producers. This kid's Scoop, I think he's like, how old is Scoop? Do you know he's like 18 years old?

48:27 Drew Whoops, I pushed the wrong button. Hold on a second. Richard?

48:30 Mike Shinoda You there? How old is Scoop?

48:32 Caller He's 18 years old.

48:33 Mike Shinoda Kids 18 years old making beats that sound like, I don't know, Kanye West. He's a very talented young kid. So good guy. Thanks for the call.

48:42 Drew Here now is Steven 17. Steven?

48:45 Yes.

48:46 Drew Hey, what's up?

48:47 I had a question. If you take Adderall and smoke cigarettes, can that like affect the way the Adderall works?

48:54 Drew Not that I'm aware of. Adderall is a stimulant. It's sort of for ADD. It's a relative of Ritalin. It's just because the stimulant can sort of increase your heart rate and that sort of thing, much the way nicotine can. And if you're taking a lot of Adderall and a lot of nicotine, that's a problem. But in and of itself, not a healthy thing to be smoking at 17. You know, cigarettes are way up right now in that age group. They sort of think, I'm just smoking for now. I'll quit eventually. If you get addicted, you can't stop. That's the problem.

49:18 Mike Shinoda Did you know? No, I've got a song on the record called Cigarettes. Have you heard about it? You haven't heard anything?

49:24 Drew No, no. Tell me.

49:26 Mike Shinoda The funny thing about this song, it's actually Jay-Z, I should say, Jay-Z is the executive producer on this record. And that means that he didn't write anything, but he kind of oversaw the record, helped me pick the tracks. I make a lot of rough tracks when I do an album, Linkin Park or This Four Minor Project. And he helped me pick which ones. And Cigarettes happens to be his favorite track. Cigarettes is about the parallel between, if you listen to a little bit of hip hop, there's a parallel between the cigarette industry and the rap industry in the sense that they're selling this half-truth. Like all these guys selling this gangster image, like yeah, they used to be gangsters, they used to do these sluggish things, but they're not really that guy so much anymore, necessarily. Or a lot of the things that people say, they don't really do. And then you've got the cigarette companies who say these things about their product, whatever. It's not necessarily true. But what's similar between all of it is between how we as consumers play into it is that we don't care. We don't care. We want to escape. We want the escapism. We want to feel cool. We want to just buy the product and get down with it. And that's what's funny about, like you say, a 17-year-old audience getting into the cigarettes. It's like, yeah, that's when they talk about the industry, talking about who they're targeting, it's that age and down who their target is the same age.

50:43 Drew The reason being is not because they want to have the smoking for a little while, they want to have them as smokers for life. Brent 30.

50:50 How are you doing?

50:51 Drew Good, what's up?

50:52 Not much. I'm calling to discuss about the whole dominatrix issue that you talk about. This makes twice what I've heard you talk about it. I deal with a lot of dominatrixes in LA and San Francisco, and I make bondage equipment.

51:09 Drew Nice.

51:09 And the whole issue about the submissives and why they do it, I've been kind of interviewing certain women. And their comments are, it's their relief and flogging. And the doms, like, there's one particular dom in LA who's a pro-dom. And I was talking to her and she hadn't had sex in seven years. But yet she will, she gets paid to flog men and gets paid very good money for this.

51:52 Drew That's how normal to you?

51:53 Mike Shinoda You know what's funny is the, is the, the bondage world's like, like industry talk.

51:58 Drew Yeah.

51:59 Mike Shinoda Like the doms, you know what I mean?

52:00 Drew Yeah.

52:01 Mike Shinoda Yeah. I love that.

52:02 Drew The flog, the doms, flog man.

52:03 Mike Shinoda That is so funny. I understand, I think I understand everything he said, but I mean, still it's just like, I love industry talk like that. It's so funny. Sorry to cut you off there, guy.

52:11 Drew It's all abbreviations and the alphabet. All right. So what's the, what is, so far I've learned nothing, unfortunately.

52:19 Well, you know, a lot of them, they don't, some of them don't know why they do it. They just know it's there.

52:26 Drew Of course they don't know why. People never examine their motivations.

52:29 Well, no, I, what I'm saying is that I've asked them, you know, I, I asked them, well, how, were you, child abuse, you know, rape, whatever. And a lot of them say, no, I don't know where it comes from. I just need to do this. I just need to be submissive. So as myself, I make bondage equipment. Okay.

52:50 Drew All you got to know, Brent, is that the human being will take the experiences of childhood, form them into erotic experiences. Those that were terrorizing in childhood become erotic in adulthood and they act them out compulsively. That's how the human is constructed. I don't know why, but that's how we're constructed.

53:10 In my case, then, with the things that I make, before I was ever into the dominatrix world and the submissives and everything, I never practiced it. I didn't even know how deep the world is. I mean, they've got communities and they do scenes and sessions and they've got places that they meet.

53:34 Drew Right, and what's the point?

53:36 The point is, the things that I create, I have the idea for this, but I didn't know where it came from. I have no idea why I think the way I think.

53:49 Drew But you're sort of into the whole Dungeons and Dragons scene. You're just sort of into it as a fantasy. You're not actually acting it out with other people. And that is a different thing. To be attracted to sort of the paraphernalia and all that, that's a little bit funny. But when you're actually acting it out, that's a different story then. Eric, 21. Eric?

54:08 Caller Hey.

54:09 Drew What's happening?

54:10 Caller Not much. Ever since I was 13 years old, I was diagnosed with panic disorder and hypophobia about to stick to my stomach throwing up. And back in 2001, all that went away and I was able to get off my medicine. And during that time, I got my certification for EMT firefighter. Back in 2003, it all came back. And the psychiatrist said I've been on all the antidepressants that's available, the Prozac, the Loft-Pak, the L'Aubutrin.

54:55 Caller And I was just going to...

54:57 Drew Let's get to the question, Eric. What's the question?

55:01 Caller What can I do about my phobia?

55:03 Drew Phobia or panic?

55:05 I can deal with the panic of the phobia.

55:07 Drew What are you phobic of?

55:10 Caller Throwing up.

55:11 Drew Throwing up? Well, you're not throwing up very often, so it's an easy one to handle, right?

55:17 Caller Yeah, I get nauseated and it sends me to a panic attack.

55:21 Drew This isn't a phobia. This is like OCD. Do you have other kinds of obsessions and ritualistic behaviors?

55:29 Caller No, when I was younger, I was afraid of getting germs.

55:32 Drew Right. Let's see, this is more OCD. Maybe you need a more thorough workup to evaluate what actually is going on with you here. There are medicines that work for OCD that do not work for panic, in fact, make panic worse sometimes. So maybe you ought to go back and get re-evaluated and look at this more from the obsessive-compulsive standpoint. And then if it turns out that it is a true phobia or even panic, things like EMDR, these eye movement treatments, where they have you sort of look away and sort of re-envision what you're going through with the fear and you learn to overcome the fears that way, they're also traditional behavioral, even hypnotherapies sometimes for phobias are useful. But there are a lot of different modalities other than medication you can look into. Talk to your psychiatrist about that. This is Michael 25.

56:13 Caller Hi, Dr. Drew, first of all.

56:14 Drew Michael, what's happening?

56:15 Caller I have a lot of respect for you, brother. A lot of respect.

56:18 Drew God bless you. What's happening?

56:19 Caller Thank you. I have a question. Last weekend, I gave a girl that I don't know that well oral sex, and she smelled a little funky not to overshare, but I didn't really think anything of it. I love this.

56:32 Mike Shinoda Hold on.

56:32 Drew I like that term.

56:33 Mike Shinoda First of all, I love this guy. He's a happy guy. I like the attitude and I like the overshare.

56:40 Drew I like the use of language.

56:42 Caller Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, I learned from the best from listening to you guys. I'll tell you. So anyway, what had happened is the next morning, the underside, not my entire tongue, just the underside of my tongue swelled up. And between that day and the next, like I lifted up my tongue and it looks like I took like an X-Acto knife and cut. You know the tendons that are right under your tongue? When you lift your tongue up, it looks like I took an X-Acto knife and like cut into the tendons. Like it looks flayed.

57:16 Drew And it's just right there in the midline. It's only in the midline.

57:19 Caller Yeah, it's only in the midline. And when I drag it over my teeth, like it hurts like a lot.

57:25 Mike Shinoda That sounds nasty.

57:26 Drew Well, do you have a history of cold sores or anything like that?

57:30 Caller No, but I did get cold sores after like a cold sores developed and now my throat hurts really bad.

57:36 Drew Oh, well, guess what? Are your glands swollen in your neck too?

57:43 Caller Not, I've had people feel them and I don't know, but I've had friends of mine who know what swollen glands feel like and they said no.

57:51 Drew All right. Either you have just so sort of overworked that part of your tongue that you sort of basically irritated it to the point that a sore developed an ulcer developed or which is a traumatic injury to the tongue from overuse or this is herpes and the overwhelming probability is I would put it in the herpes category.

58:10 Caller Okay, now if it's herpes, that's something that basically everybody has, right? Oral herpes.

58:14 Drew Right. And that well, type one herpes is something that appears in the genitalia more often than the type two. So the question is, right, and the question in your case is, did you already have it and just did all the activity cause a bad outbreak or did you actually catch it from her? It doesn't really matter from the standpoint of your symptoms because the treatment is these antiviral medications like Famvir or Valtrex or Zovrex. You should go get self-treated because I've treated a number of these in the mouth when it gets exuberant like that. It is bad. It can be really a pain. The other thing is whether you had this originally or you have it now, you have it in either case and you need to consider yourself contagious potentially going forward every time you give oral sex to somebody.

58:54 Caller Okay.

58:55 Drew Nice, huh?

58:55 Caller Can I ask you one more question before you hang up?

58:57 Drew Yeah.

58:58 Caller Can you do that dag line that, up and down, lip and seal?

59:03 Drew Alright, hold on. We'll do it. We'll do it, Michael. Hang on. Just to make you feel better in your recovery phase from your herpetic outbreak.

59:10 Mike Shinoda It's so generous.

59:11 Drew And by the way, let me talk to him real quick here. Michael? Mike, you on? He's gone. They get headaches and neck... Oh, it's when it's... Xuber, now that's awful.

59:19 Mike Shinoda That just sounds nasty.

59:21 Drew So here is David Alan Greer making... I was going through a list of medication that can be used as a morning after pill. These are hormonal medications. They're basically birth control medications. And all of a sudden, David Alan Greer launched into a sort of a skit using the names of these hormones as names for African American children that he was calling for in the backyard. So here's a little David Alan Greer. 100 micrograms of ethanol estradiol, which is the progesterone, it's the levonadestrel...

59:55 And where is levonadestrel?

59:57 Drew Or the nortendron.

59:59 Nortendron. Put that whiffle ball back down. Come in the house. What's your behind? I'm sick of these kids, man.

1:00:09 Drew Oh, yeah. David Alan Greer, who will be in here, let's see, a couple of weeks. He's coming up on the 18th, 19th, somewhere around in there.

1:00:16 I like a girl with a big butt but fruit in the mint though. It's juicy, it's sweet, because it's fruit and in the mint, don't you have it?

1:00:23 Drew There he is. And I also like the, I like his reference to the intimacy involved in anal sex and the potential medical consequences of anal sex.

1:00:35 What'd I say? What'd I say? What I said, I got feelings for you. Can I prolapse your anus?

1:00:40 Drew Oh, boy. Oh, Lord. Funny thing is coincidentally, my wife and I were watching In Living Color tonight.

1:00:46 Mike Shinoda Speaking of anal sex.

1:00:47 Drew In Living Color. And I had seen that a lot.

1:00:49 Did Ms. Mama Pinsky put her little pinky in Dr. Drew's little dumper?

1:00:56 Drew Oh, my God. Yeah, that's exactly that. That's what I was thinking about.

1:01:01 Mike Shinoda Goodness.

1:01:02 Drew All righty, let's move on here.

1:01:04 Twinkie hole, baby.

1:01:05 Drew Wow. We're going to get a what is it? Dumper. We're going to get a dumper full of him in about a week. So Alex, 29.

1:01:14 Hi, Dr. Drew. I've been with my boyfriend for about two years and he's a great guy. I just absolutely adore him. I love him to death.

1:01:26 Drew Yes, indeed.

1:01:27 Yeah. And I've just been getting these urge that I want to cheat on him.

1:01:30 Caller I haven't yet.

1:01:32 I just I want to know if there's something wrong with the relationship or if, you know, if.

1:01:37 Drew How long have you been together?

1:01:38 Two years.

1:01:39 Drew Two years. You know, one of the sort of sad, it's called a secret in the homosexual male community is the amount of cheating and the amount of difficulty a lot of guys have maintaining monogamy. And some of it's sort of, you know, intrinsic to the situation we're dealing with men. And more than that, though, there is oftentimes difficulty with intimacy. If you stand in a bookstore, there are sections for homosexual relationships. And more than half the books are always about how to deal with a cheater. How do you get them to be intimate? How do you get them to commit? And so this is a very, very common problem. So the question you have to ask yourself is, is it the relationship? Or do I just want to go out and start dating? Or do I have trouble with intimacy and I just can't maintain it? I have to create some chaos. What do you think?

1:02:24 Caller Well, I haven't had a problem up to this point.

1:02:28 And it's, I mean, and it's not a problem of intimacy with him. I just, I, you know, my head starts churning.

1:02:35 Drew But maybe this is, maybe the intimacy, though, is a little too uncomfortable for you and you have to throw a little sabotage in there to get some distance.

1:02:44 Honestly, I don't, I don't see it. I mean, I don't know. Okay.

1:02:47 Drew All right. So you just want to go out and screw around. That's fine. Then you got to end this relationship. Like, or really make it clear what you're doing in this relationship, what your plans are, how you want this relationship to go. Maybe, maybe he's feeling the same way. I don't know. But you've got to be honest about it. All right?

1:03:04 Caller Well, like I said, I mean, I've been with him for a few years. I mean, I do. I adore him. I mean, he's the greatest guy ever.

1:03:10 Drew Well, then treat him like that.

1:03:12 Mike Shinoda Yeah. You know, it's funny is being on the road with all these rock bands and different groups that I'm on the road with all the time. Like, I've seen a lot of young bands, especially as we got more experience, I see a lot of young bands who come and go or get on the scene and everything's so new to them. They get so excited. They're a young rock band. They're seeing like you're getting interviewed and photo shoots and all that for the first time. And all these girls are talking to them and they're so excited about it. And some of them are in relationships already and they're going, you know, what do I do? Maybe I'm married. I'm not. I'm in a serious relationship. Whatever. What do I do? And, you know, that's the same. It's the same same advice. You know, you got to choose your path and go with it. If it's serious and you're serious and you got to stick with it and not screw around. And if you're not serious, then, you know, you made your decision.

1:03:59 Drew Yeah, that's fine too. But you've got to be honest. Don't do both though.

1:04:03 Mike Shinoda That's not so good.

1:04:04 Drew That's dishonest. And at that point, you're acting out and you're a cheater.

1:04:09 Mike Shinoda Yeah, at least you're, if you decide that you're going to go break up with the person and go move on, at least you're being fair to them.

1:04:16 Caller Yeah.

1:04:16 Mike Shinoda You know what I mean?

1:04:17 Caller Okay.

1:04:18 Drew All right, Alex. Good luck.

1:04:19 Caller Great.

1:04:19 Caller Thank you very much.

1:04:20 Drew Bye bye. This now is Jackie 15.

1:04:25 Mike Shinoda I could pitch in on that last one.

1:04:26 Drew Well done. Well done.

1:04:27 Mike Shinoda Thank you.

1:04:27 Drew You get this one too.

1:04:28 Caller All right.

1:04:29 Drew Go Jackie.

1:04:30 Yes.

1:04:31 Drew Here we are.

1:04:32 Mike Shinoda If it's about prostitution, I'm going to be so mad at you.

1:04:34 Drew No, we haven't had it. I'm still looking. I'll give you a heads up.

1:04:38 Go ahead.

1:04:39 Yeah. I just had a baby and I gave him up for adoption. I was wondering how much more likely am I to go through postpartum depression and if I am, how much worse will it be?

1:04:51 Drew First of all, we should as a society and your community and your family should be supporting you and applauding you for making a courageous decision on behalf of the child. Understandably, you're worried about your own risks, but the reality is you've done something on behalf of the child. I mean, you've sacrificed nine months, sacrificed a little bit of your health, and then made a huge sacrifice in terms of giving it up to a couple who is ready to raise a child. There should be a statue in your town, in your honor. The reality is I don't know the data on the likelihood of postpartum depression. I don't think it's that much more than a normal situation. I've not read that it would be, but I don't know that it's not, frankly. The reality is here that most postpartum depression is due to the tremendous biological changes of pregnancy. So if you were going to develop it, you probably would have gotten it anyway, and thought to be associated with the stress of having to raise a baby and be depleted by that, which you're not going to have to go through. So yes, you're going to have a big sense of loss, you're going to have grief, and you have to go through that, but do it knowing you made a courageous decision that was just amazing.

1:05:49 Okay, thank you.

1:05:50 Drew Okay, Jackie, you all right?

1:05:52 Yeah, I'm fine.

1:05:53 Drew You don't have any postpartum or anything?

1:05:55 I think I might be struggling with it. They want to put me on medication, but...

1:06:00 Drew If it's the case, any depression the first year after pregnancy responds to medication extremely well because it is such a biological process. So take advantage of that, and again, please stay settled. Stay firm in the knowledge that you've made a courageous and good decision. Okay?

1:06:16 Okay.

1:06:16 Drew All right.

1:06:17 Thank you.

1:06:18 Drew Let's hear a Fort Minor song. How about that?

1:06:20 Mike Shinoda That would be great.

1:06:21 Drew That would be great.

1:06:23 Mike Shinoda I told them I'd said that I have to be a... If we're going to play this song, I have to be able to intro. Is that fair?

1:06:28 Drew Here you go.

1:06:29 Mike Shinoda Here's the thing. You were saying that you play one of the songs as like a like bumper music, like when you come in and out of commercials, right? You play you play Petrified. So since you guys have been hearing Petrified, I will... Normally the record label is probably... When people are listening, they're like, play the single, play the single. Singles Petrified. I'm going to deviate and they're going to call me and tell me I'm a jerk and they're going to be mad at me. But I'm going to do this with the interest that I think people have already heard it on the station.

1:06:58 Drew So we've heard Petrified as we go in and out of commercials.

1:07:00 Mike Shinoda We're going to hear a different song. We're going to hear a new song. It's called Believe Me. It also features Styles of Beyond, who were on the other one.

1:07:08 Drew This is Petrified.

1:07:09 Mike Shinoda That's Petrified right there. Play it a little bit.

1:07:11 Drew So we're familiar with this. You can continue to play it over the intro here if you want.

1:07:14 Mike Shinoda And here's the thing. If you go on, if you really want to hear that song, go on fortminer.com, check it out. It's there. We're going to play a new song. It's called Believe Me. It's got Styles of Beyond on it. It's got, if you've heard of Willy Bobo, the famous Latin percussionist, this is his son, Eric Bobo. He plays with Cypress Hill. He plays Latin percussion on the song.

1:07:33 Drew Bobo.

1:07:35 Mike Shinoda And yeah, we have a video for the song now. It's coming out soon. It'll probably be out in the beginning next year.

1:07:41 Drew I didn't know Bobo had a first name, though.

1:07:43 Mike Shinoda Yeah, yeah. Apparently, the word Bobo in like some, I want to say like, I want to say Korean or something.

1:07:51 Drew Swedish car.

1:07:51 Mike Shinoda No, in an Asian language, and I don't remember which, it's a foul word. It's a really bad word. I can't say it in Arabic because I can't even elude to it because I kind of can't describe it. It's that bad. And so when we call them Bobo, they laugh every time.

1:08:07 Drew Oh, nice.

1:08:09 Mike Shinoda Anyway, the song's called, believe me, it's off the Fort Minor album, The Rising Tide. And you can start playing it because it's got a little bit of an intro with some scary rain.

1:08:19 Drew Let's hear it here, Michelle.

1:08:20 Mike Shinoda You want me to put it on?

1:08:22 Caller What? Ten.

1:08:24 Mike Shinoda It's the one with the little arrow.

1:08:25 Drew The gods have been spired against you here.

1:08:27 Mike Shinoda The one with the little arrow is the play button. The one arrow instead. That's weird.

1:08:33 Drew We're not hearing it. Is anybody else hearing it? No. All right, we're holding on.

1:08:37 No.

1:08:39 Drew Good. Excellent. It was such a great intro. You know what the label... We'll hear some more petrified.

1:08:45 Mike Shinoda The label. There we go. Bring the rain. Get out your umbrellas and enjoy the song, Fort Minor, Believe Me.

1:12:26 Drew That is Fort Myer. He is Mike Shinoda from Lincoln Park.

1:12:28 Mike Shinoda Hey, you said Fort Myer.

1:12:30 Drew What did I say? You said Fort Myer. Fort Myer. Somebody else said that.

1:12:33 Mike Shinoda Somebody else said that recently. And you know what's funny is it was Lala on MTV said Fort Myer, and then she corrected herself. So Fort Myer. And there are kids on our website. I'm only correcting you now because there are kids on our website, on fortmyer.com, who are so hardcore for this group that they hate you for screwing up the name. They went off on long threads about what an idiot she is and blah, blah, blah.

1:12:58 Drew Fort Myer is a city in Florida or something?

1:13:01 Caller That's not nearly as bad as that time he called System of a Down, System of a Syndrome of a Down.

1:13:05 Caller That was bad.

1:13:07 Mike Shinoda You know what was great though?

1:13:09 Drew Down syndrome is what would have been worse.

1:13:10 Mike Shinoda You know what was really great is syndrome of a down. Drew, I've never seen you dance before.

1:13:16 Drew I like your music.

1:13:18 Mike Shinoda I really do.

1:13:19 Drew It makes people move. It makes me move. God knows. It makes everybody move.

1:13:23 Mike Shinoda That's good.

1:13:23 Drew Rising Tide is the CD. It is Fort Minor. I apologize to those of you on the website. Fort Meyer is some place I must have scooted through one time or another. Mike Shinoda is in here with us and we come back. We're going to find out from one of our callers, the actual Japanese meaning of Bobo. That's right, 1-800-LOVE-191. That's Mike Shinoda's favorite number, home number, number you woefully remember. Fort Miner is the band. Linkin Park is his other project, little side project called Linkin Park. The CD is called Rising Tide for Fort Miner. Did I say Fort Miner again?

1:14:13 Mike Shinoda No, I think you're right. It might have been just a little bit of a slur this time.

1:14:17 Drew I want to find out what Bobo means, so here we go. This is Ben is 28. Ben?

1:14:21 Caller Hey, Dr. Drew.

1:14:22 Drew Hey, Ben.

1:14:24 Caller I believe Bobo is actually a Japanese word meaning cubic hair.

1:14:30 Mike Shinoda No, really?

1:14:31 Caller Yeah, really in control of the film. There's actually also this show on Cartoon Network right now called Bobo, Bobo, or something like that. It's literally just a string of that syllable, is the title of the show and typical anime.

1:14:46 Mike Shinoda You got to love the Japanese though. Because I'm half Japanese and when I go there and watch the cartoons and the shows, like that sense of humor is so, it's obviously so foreign to the US, but it's so much more funny.

1:14:59 Drew What is it? What is it?

1:15:00 Mike Shinoda I don't know what it is about that. Like when you watch a comedy, if you watch a variety hour, a Japanese variety hour, there's almost no string of consistency from the beginning to the end. Like you'll be watching somebody and their pet frog do tricks one minute and then you're watching the biggest pop star in Japan the next minute. You know, it's totally crazy.

1:15:20 Drew You know, people research have really not figured out yet what is funny, what funny is. You know what I mean? What makes us laugh? Why we consider things funny? That's something that they cannot quite figure out.

1:15:31 Caller Oh, trust me. I know you guys are talking about them.

1:15:34 Mike Shinoda Thanks very much for the...

1:15:36 Caller Well, I'm very much talking to myself. I know a lot about anime.

1:15:39 Mike Shinoda Oh, okay.

1:15:41 Caller Furry artist too, so I'm kind of...

1:15:43 Drew Oh, yes, oh, yes. All right, Ben, thanks for the call. All right, we're going to get a call from Montreal. Here we are, Montreal 19. Claire.

1:15:56 Hi. I was actually calling for a couple of points of etiquette. The first I just wanted to say to the woman who just gave her child up for adoption, that I really appreciate that. I'm a child with adoption, and it was definitely the most courageous and loving decision my mother could make. And I think it's really wonderful.

1:16:13 Mike Shinoda I hope she's listening.

1:16:14 Drew I do hope so too.

1:16:15 Mike Shinoda Yeah.

1:16:16 Drew Are you really in Canada right now?

1:16:18 Yeah. I'm calling from Canada. I go to school in Montreal.

1:16:22 Drew Wow. Cool. What are you studying?

1:16:24 International call. I'm a polytechn major.

1:16:27 Drew Interesting.

1:16:28 Are you from the American?

1:16:29 Drew Are you Canadian? What's the deal?

1:16:31 Well, I'm studying international politics at the moment. I'm trying to avoid the Canadian politics classes, but they're not really interesting.

1:16:38 Drew Are you Canadian?

1:16:40 No. I'm American.

1:16:41 Drew Okay. What's the question?

1:16:43 Well, my friends and I were having a discussion the other day. One was talking about how she really wanted to have a one-night stand. We were going around and we realized that none of us had actually ever gone through with a genuine one night with a stranger kind of stand. Really? And we were wondering. Yeah. And we were wondering, besides the obvious point of protection, are there do's and don'ts? Like etiquette tips for a one night stand? Are you supposed to leave the toilet seat up or what?

1:17:11 Drew I don't know much about one night stands. Mike, what do you think?

1:17:13 Mike Shinoda You got me, man. Don't put me on the spot like that, Drew. That's not fair.

1:17:18 Drew I'm going to tell you, you've been around rock stars. I'm just saying. That's not fair. I'm just saying, you personally have necessarily done one of them.

1:17:24 Mike Shinoda That's a really, that's a funny thing. I like the fact that she's discussing it with her friends. This is like the beginning of a porno or something. She's sitting around with her friends.

1:17:33 Caller We never did have done it.

1:17:35 Drew Right, right. There you go.

1:17:36 Mike Shinoda That's bad news.

1:17:37 Drew Well, here's the deal. From having talked to lots of college-age kids, I can tell you that the one thing that they all seem to do in order to manage a one night stand is they get loaded, which makes me suspicious about the one night stand being something you really want to do in the first place. I mean, if it's so cool, why do you have to get loaded every time? Right?

1:17:59 Caller Yeah. No, I agree. I probably wouldn't have the balls to do it anyway, but she was kind of curious about the time.

1:18:04 Drew The other thing that people opt for is the whole friends with benefits thing. That looks great on paper, right? We're friends, we love each other, we have sex. As one kid had called out to me one night when I was speaking at a university, he said, yeah, it looks great on paper, so does communism. We're talking about human beings here, and when the reality comes to bear, it's a very delicate and painful web that's potentially woven. I'm not sure that friends with benefits is a great option either. I don't know that there is etiquette. The guys that want to have one night stands though are interested in the sex, and they don't really care about the toilet seat, or thank yous and please and that kind of thing.

1:18:43 Caller So you're allowed to leave right after?

1:18:47 Drew Yeah, if that's your plan. I mean, that's certainly well with it. There is no etiquette because the guys are there for the sex, and you just got to be sure you protect yourself. And now the reality is again, just like the communism on paper, that sounds good, but people often have feelings when they're this intimate with somebody else. Women, a little more so than men typically, but because men can kind of shut it down a little more. So that you walking out all of a sudden after, you know, immediately after orgasm may be felt negatively by another person. But it seems like that's what young people are into these days. Okay?

1:19:20 Caller All right.

1:19:21 Drew Thanks. Is it different in Canada?

1:19:23 Caller Well, in Canada, it seems a lot more easy to have your way with people. I don't know. Montreal particularly is a really sexually liberated city.

1:19:36 Drew So where are you from originally?

1:19:39 Caller Washington, DC., actually. So kind of a different atmosphere.

1:19:42 Drew Interesting. All right. Thanks for the call. But yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Thanks a lot.

1:19:46 Mike Shinoda Bye. She really is like undercover Bureau of Tourism promotional person. She's just calling to spread the word that the girls are easy and come to Montreal and have sex.

1:19:58 Drew Perfect. No strings. They'll walk out immediately afterwards. Nick, 19.

1:20:03 Caller Hey, how you doing, Mike? Hi. Hey, how you doing, Dr. Drew?

1:20:06 Drew We're good, Nick. What's up?

1:20:08 Caller Oh, okay. I have a question for Mike, actually. Okay.

1:20:10 Mike Shinoda What's up?

1:20:11 Caller It's kind of a two-part question. Okay. First one is, do you consider yourself a rapper?

1:20:18 Mike Shinoda The answer to that question would be yes.

1:20:21 Caller Okay.

1:20:22 Caller I know it makes sense.

1:20:23 Mike Shinoda Why do you ask that? Is it not clear what I do or are you confused because of the other things I do?

1:20:29 Caller No, it's one of the things because I actually run a website that we talk about hip hop and stuff.

1:20:34 Mike Shinoda What's it called? Go ahead and give your website some love on the radio.

1:20:38 Caller I don't even want to plug it. hiphopfoundry.com. Anyway, what the question was and the reason why I asked was because I was having a discussion about people who are underrated and who are rappers. I brought up you and I was like, you know that guy from Linkin Park? I was like, Mike Shinoda? I was like, who? I was like, that guy from Linkin Park? I was like, he's not a rapper. I was like, yes, he is.

1:21:01 Mike Shinoda Let me tell you something that's really funny. I don't know what it is about our culture, our music culture here in the US. I was having a conversation with somebody who works for a record label today. Outside the US., there are a lot fewer divisions and subcategories in music. When you get into some countries that are small enough where one radio station covers the entire country, those countries a lot of times just have stations that are not... It's not like what you have here where you've got a pop station that plays many different things. These are just radio stations that play many different things. Underground, rock, hip-hop, whatever. Here in the US., for some reason, we've got this thing where everything is going to be categorized. Because of that, people, when let's say Red Hot Chili Peppers came out, Rage Against the Machine, many other different groups, they see that because there's a guitar in the band, they don't believe that these guys are really rapping. Let me assure you that these people, if you take a little bit of a listen to the Fort Minor record, you listen to the Linkin Park record, and if we were to mute all that rock stuff that is confusing these people, they will hear hip-hop. If I put those lyrics over top of a hip-hop beat, they will hear hip-hop. And if you don't believe me, go get our Green Lantern mixtape, and I will shut you up. And by the way, can I say one other thing for you on the website?

1:22:30 Caller Go ahead.

1:22:30 Mike Shinoda What is it again?

1:22:32 Caller hiphopfoundry.com.

1:22:34 Mike Shinoda See, this guy, one thing that's really funny, I can tell you are a person who thinks outside the box because usually the hip-hop guy who runs a hip-hop website, the first thing out of his mouth is he's going to promote his website. So this guy is definitely a different.

1:22:48 Drew Well, he's actually interested in the product.

1:22:51 Mike Shinoda And I appreciate that. Thanks a lot, man. I appreciate that a lot.

1:22:53 Drew And one quick question here. This is Casey14. Casey?

1:22:57 Oh, hey, what's up? What's happening?

1:23:00 Drew Yeah, there you go.

1:23:01 Mike Shinoda Are you excited?

1:23:03 Yeah.

1:23:03 Drew She's been on hold for 83 minutes.

1:23:05 Oh, my God.

1:23:06 Drew Just to talk to you, Mike.

1:23:08 Yeah, just for you, Mike. Just for you.

1:23:10 Mike Shinoda Thanks. What's happening? What's the question?

1:23:13 Oh, I wanted to know if you're going to do any future projects with Fort Minor or like when you're going to go back with LP?

1:23:21 Mike Shinoda Right now, we're actually writing some music. We don't have a we haven't like picked a producer or really decided on the name of the album or anything like that. But we know that the album is probably going to be out next year. And as far as Fort Minor, the record just came out. So I'm actually we know we're in the middle of promoting that. And I'm going to be playing some shows US in January and February.

1:23:49 Drew And if you want more information, fortminor.com.

1:23:52 Mike Shinoda fortminor.com.

1:23:55 Drew And again, the CD is Rising Tide. He's Mike Shinoda. And we'll be right back. We are taking your calls here on Loveline at 1-800-LOVE-191. Here is Mike Shinoda with us, and a quick call from Sarah. What's going on, Sarah?

1:24:19 Hello?

1:24:20 Drew Sarah?

1:24:21 Caller Hi.

1:24:22 Mike Shinoda I was actually wondering if you guys had information on erotic asphyxiation?

1:24:30 Drew I've had people die of it. What about you?

1:24:34 Mike Shinoda Basically, I just started dating this guy, and within the first couple of times of me sleeping with him, he did the whole cover mouth and nose at the same time thing.

1:24:44 Drew Covering your mouth and nose?

1:24:46 Caller Yeah.

1:24:48 Mike Shinoda He did it really gently, shortly, basically so I could breathe still. And recently, he started doing it with the hand around the throat and onto the jugulars. Once I felt like I was going to pass out, I tapped him, he let up real quick. Basically, like, what is it supposed to do?

1:25:08 Caller I don't understand it.

1:25:09 Drew Well, you're not into it, so I would suggest you turn back quick because I don't know what he's into or what he thinks he's up to, but he's putting your life in danger. It's very difficult to judge at what point a person is going to stroke out or at which point they're going to tap you and say that's enough. Because if you cut the blood supply off to the brain for a sufficient period of time, you got a problem.

1:25:34 Mike Shinoda What's considered a sufficient period? Because usually when he does it in like 5 second intervals.

1:25:38 Drew Who knows? Can't predict. Cannot predict. So absolutely categorically it's something you're not into. Turn back. Tell him to cut it out. What's in it for you? Why are you even thinking about this?

1:25:57 Mike Shinoda No, he's doing it.

1:25:59 Drew But why are you having to give this any thought?

1:26:05 Mike Shinoda He does it. I've let him. And I actually asked him about it and I said, what is it with you and that? He said, trust.

1:26:12 Caller It's the ultimate turn on.

1:26:15 Drew Yeah, right. If he kills you, how turned on are you then? Bye bye. Sarah, what is the matter with you that you even contemplate going with this? It's one thing if you had issues yourself and you thought this is a great thing. What happens is people that have a history of opiate addiction or other mental disorders oftentimes have trouble feeling aroused and that sort of gets them a high level of endorphin surge just before they die. It's what makes you see the white light is that lack of oxygen supply to your brain and can intensify orgasm. Most people don't need that intensification. The orgasm itself is fine. The fact that he's doing this to you is and the fact that you're thinking about allowing him to continue is bizarre.

1:26:55 Mike Shinoda You know, what's really great is getting shot while you're having sex, too. That's also really great. Knife stabbings and things like that.

1:27:04 Drew Yeah, that'll really send some endorphins flying into your head. I mean...

1:27:07 Mike Shinoda Well, I've never, like, the first time, every time he does it because he's very domineering in bed. And so he just kind of did it.

1:27:16 Drew Yeah, but Sarah, why didn't you tell him to stop?

1:27:22 Mike Shinoda I don't know. I guess I was just way too submissive to say anything.

1:27:26 Drew Yeah, I understand that you didn't understand the risks now. Now we've discussed it. He's putting your life in danger. Tell him to stop. I'm, well, forget it.

1:27:37 Caller Hey, what does he do for a living? What kind of guy is he, though?

1:27:39 Drew Yeah, I find out. What kind of guy is he, Sarah?

1:27:41 Mike Shinoda He actually works in an office job.

1:27:44 Drew Like a...

1:27:44 Caller He's a passive-aggressive guy.

1:27:46 Mike Shinoda Huh?

1:27:46 Drew Well, you know, who knows what this is. But I find it so bizarre and frustrating that you would sit there and have to contemplate, well, I don't know if I'm really going to tell him. If he kills me, well, that's just the way it goes, I guess. I guess so.

1:27:59 Mike Shinoda Well, no, I've never, like, I've never had anything like this before. So, like, it's taken me, like, basically back.

1:28:04 Caller I'm like, I don't know what to do.

1:28:06 Caller I'll just...

1:28:09 Caller be here.

1:28:10 Drew All right.

1:28:11 Mike Shinoda So what are you going to do now?

1:28:12 Drew That's before you knew your life was in danger. Now you know. Now what are you going to do?

1:28:17 Caller Next time he tries, take me off me.

1:28:20 Drew No, because you may go unconscious next time he tries. How do you know he's going to stop? You got to talk about it ahead of time and just say, I'm not going to have sex with you. I'm not going to put myself in that position if you keep doing that.

1:28:31 Caller Okay.

1:28:31 Drew By the way, this BS about its ultimate trust, that's BS. Are you kidding? What the kind of crap are you falling for? It's ultimate trust. You let me put you on the death's door and pull you back. That's the ultimate turn on. That's a murderer. That's somebody who's turned on by killing people. Right? Sarah?

1:28:53 Mike Shinoda I'm listening.

1:28:55 Drew What?

1:28:55 Mike Shinoda I'm listening.

1:28:56 Drew All right. Well, you're going to do what you're going to do. Good luck. Very frustrating to talk to somebody like that. Yikes. Misha, 19.

1:29:05 Caller Hello?

1:29:06 Drew Hi, Misha. What's going on?

1:29:09 Caller Okay. I've been masturbating since the age of 12. And it's like recently I thought myself masturbating even more. And I do it just because I'm bored and I don't know why.

1:29:25 Drew Are you depressed?

1:29:27 Caller I don't think so. I could be.

1:29:29 Drew I mean, sometimes that sort of sexual acting out is a way to try to manage feelings that you don't like. Were you sexually abused or physically abused growing up?

1:29:37 Caller Um, I think I was sort of sexually abused when I was younger.

1:29:41 Drew And that sort of sets you up for, you know, sexual compulsions and addiction. So that might be the sort of engine behind all this. And then if you add to that something that's not sort of going well emotionally for you, that often becomes the means whereby you try to regulate those feelings.

1:29:59 Caller And also, like, okay, I've been, I lost my virginity at the age of 14. Oh boy. And, and like I am bisexual and I have not been able to have an orgasm with neither a man or a woman.

1:30:14 Drew All right. So let's just say again, we have just a few seconds here to add up the score for Misha. Sexually abused, sexually compulsive, sexually confused about her sexual identity, and unable to function sexually. There's a big series of problems here Misha. I would suggest you have an evaluation by somebody in the mental health field, a psychiatrist or somebody with some sexual health orientation. They can kind of, just even a general therapist can kind of pull you through all this. This is a bigger, bigger mess than you realize. So if you really want to be close to people, if you want to start functioning normally, if you don't want to be sexually composed, you might even look at in the essays, the Sex Addicts Anonymous and Sexaholics Anonymous, where they can get you involved with 12 step people, have your history, get some support from them, and begin to sort this all out. Mike Shinoda is in here, Lincoln Park, Fort Minor, and we're going to take one more break here. Well, Mike Shinoda, that about does it for Loveline. Thank you for coming in.

1:31:17 Mike Shinoda And they played a little Death Cab for Cutie at the end. That's nice.

1:31:21 Drew That's your favorite fan, isn't it?

1:31:22 Mike Shinoda Or favorite album of the year? It's one of my favorite albums of the year. Good album.

1:31:31 Drew Doesn't come close to The Rising Tide, though, by Fort Minor. Keep an eye out for Lincoln Park. There is Fort Minor. All right. Well, listen, this is Dr. Drew then on behalf of Mike Shinoda, saying good night and stay well.

1:31:46 Mike Shinoda You know, it's really what's really great is getting shot while you're having sex too. That's that's also really great.

1:31:51 Drew I've really sent some endorphins flying into your head.

1:31:53 Caller I mean...

1:32:03 The opinions expressed in this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Annie Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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