Episode 1000739182337

0:16 Voiceover 1-800-LOVE-191 Loveline starts now.

0:21 Voiceover Hey, everybody, this is Dr. Drew. Phone number, indeed, is 1-800-LOVE-191. And I am delighted to welcome into the studio tonight Ben Stein.

0:31 Ben Stein Honored to be here, Dr. Drew.

0:33 Drew Well, it is such a pleasure. Ben is a prolific author, How to Ruin Your Life, How to Ruin Your Love Life, How to Ruin Your Financial Life. And as I recall, all written to try to give something to your son. Isn't that right?

0:45 Ben Stein No, no, actually not. Not at all. As a matter of fact, I've written a lot of things encouraging my son to study harder, but no books yet.

0:55 Drew I thought you had said that you were...

0:57 Ben Stein Girls fall madly in love with my son. He doesn't have any problem with love life and he doesn't really have any investment decisions to make at this stage. So he doesn't have to worry about that. But I'm trying in these books to make people realize what they do wrong, to ruin relationships. I'll give you an example, Dr. Drew. I have a friend in Washington, a beautiful young girl, and she's desperate to get married. She can't understand why she's not married. She's almost 30 and she does things like, when she was riding around with me a little while ago, telling me that she hates dogs and because dogs eat poopy. And I love dogs more than anything else in the world.

1:41 Drew There's nothing. Is your dog with you tonight?

1:43 Ben Stein Both of my dogs are with me out in the car, right outside the studio. And so to tell me that who loves dogs, that she thinks dogs are dirty and dogs eat poopy is the height of insanity and is a perfectly good way to ruin a relationship. In fact, one, I'm going to write a book or maybe an article, a long article soon called How to Ruin a Perfectly Good Relationship. And that's one way is to tell someone who loves dogs, you think dogs are dirty because they eat poopy. Another good way is to go out on a date with somebody and in the middle of the day say, you know, I like you a lot and I'll have sex with you, but I'm really madly in love with the guy I was dating just before you because he treated me really, really bad and that made me fall in love with him. And that's a good way to ruin the relationship. I see a lot of that. I see a lot of that.

2:31 Drew I kind of thought how to ruin your life. It sort of sounds like sort of paternalistic to a son. You know, it sounds very...

2:37 Ben Stein No, no, no, it's really not aimed at him. It's aimed at grownups, a lot of grownups that I know.

2:42 Drew Well, but by the way, a lot of grownups, of course, can be benefited from that, you know.

2:46 Ben Stein Yeah, no, my son is a special case. He's so incredibly good looking and physically fit that he sort of defies categorization because he's so smart and so physically fit that things come too easily to him. And I think it's not enough of a challenge. But anyway, I don't want to talk about my son. My son has a bad cold and I want him to go to sleep and get a good night's sleep.

3:13 Drew It's amazing what springs from one's loins.

3:16 Ben Stein Well, my son is an incredibly, unbelievably smart kid. He's really too smart for me.

3:22 Drew Nice. Now, I was reading something about your bio. And by the way, if people want to learn more about Ben Stein, it's www.benstein.com. Can they buy the books there?

3:32 Ben Stein They can buy them on a place that they may have heard of called amazon.com.

3:37 Drew What's that again?

3:39 Ben Stein Barnes and noble.com. I'd be honored if they did, especially How to Ruin Your Love Life. That would be a good one for people listening to this show.

3:47 Drew But I read that you had been mugged by two gunmen in 2000. I didn't know about that.

3:53 Ben Stein Yeah, we were having our house in Beverly Hills renovated. And I pulled in after doing an episode of Win Ben Stein's Money, actually four episodes. And I noticed as I got out of the car that two guys were walking into the garage. And I thought they were workmen who were working on the house. And then I noticed they were wearing masks. And I noticed one of them had a gun. And he said, give me your wallet. And I did. And he said, give me your watch. And I did. And then I said, please don't take my car because it has my dog in it. He said, but you can have the car as long as you don't take the dog. So then he said, get in the car and just stare straight ahead, which I did. And then they went away. But, oh no, at one point they said to me, you don't sound scared enough. And I said, I said, believe me, I'm plenty scared. And they said, well, you don't sound scared. And I said, well, I am scared. What would you like me to do to show that I'm scared? I'm scared. Anyway, and so then I went inside the house after they left to tell my wife and she started laughing.

4:54 Drew Oh, my God.

4:55 Ben Stein I know. Well, my wife is fearless. To her, it's nothing. She has no fear of this danger.

4:59 Drew Well, you sound pretty fearless, too, though.

5:01 Ben Stein No, I'm totally fearful.

5:03 Drew What?

5:03 Ben Stein Have you ever been robbed?

5:05 Drew No, I would lose it. I'd have PTSD for six months after that.

5:08 Ben Stein I didn't like it at all. But that night, Tommy and I slept at my house, at my apartment. I have a lot of property in LA. We slept at one of my apartments in West Hollywood and with a GUN very close by.

5:23 Drew And what's up with the dogs? They didn't help out.

5:27 Ben Stein Well, the dog was in the car and she didn't know. I mean, the dog doesn't know if somebody's got a gun. For all she knows, it's a sandwich.

5:35 Drew We'll give them a break. And you were doing work for Clear Eyes right now?

5:39 Ben Stein I do. Oh, boy, do I do a lot of work. I am the spokesman for Clear Eyes. I'm a spokesman for Town and Country Mortgage, which is a very big mortgage lending company. Wow. I was until very recently doing commercials for Mercury, and that may be renewed. I am the spokesman for... Yeah, it's great, for the National Retirement Planning Coalition, which is a group of people concerned about the retirement of us baby boomers. And I'm also the spokesman for... What's the other thing? Oh, for a spokesman for an investment management firm called Lucia, Ray Lucia. So, and I do a lot of speeches and I keep busy, but I doubt if I earn as much money as you or your former co-host Adam, but I earn a good living.

6:21 Drew He's now officially rich as he declares it.

6:23 Ben Stein Well, he's been saying he's been rich for a long time.

6:26 Drew He's been saying he's a millionaire. He said he's a millionaire. Now he's officially rich.

6:30 Ben Stein Well, how rich is that?

6:32 Drew He's taken over Howard Stern and you know, that's big money.

6:34 Ben Stein Well, wait a second, wait a second. Howard Stern got big money because he was on all over the country and Howard and Adam isn't and Howard Stern had demonstrated power to draw a huge audience, which Adam does not so far. Although I will say Adam is about 1,000 times smarter than Howard Stern.

6:52 Drew Yes, I agree with you.

6:53 Ben Stein One million times. Adam is as smart as any person I've ever met in Hollywood.

6:58 Drew And as I recall, last time you were up here, that's Anderson putting his two cents in. Last time you were up here, we had a call where we were sort of going on and on with the abuse history. Remember this? It was sort of an extraordinary call. I can't remember what the call was, but I know you were very impressed by it.

7:13 Ben Stein I can't get over your callers generally. I mean, your callers generally seem to come from another planet. On the planet I live in, a bad day is when the maid doesn't show up. But these people come from a different planet. But let's keep going.

7:26 Drew These are Americans, Ben. This is the Corps of Americans.

7:29 Ben Stein I know. Well, I spend a lot of time out in the Corps of America. I travel all around the country speaking. I'm going to Monroe, Louisiana on Thursday. I spend a lot of time in North Idaho. I spend a lot of time in Rancho Mirage. I guess that's not the heart of America. But anyway, so I want to hear from some people.

7:46 Drew All right. Here we go. Let's get some of them going here. This now is Jessica's 23. For some reason, this isn't coming up. So give me one second here. One second. We're having a little bit of...

7:57 Ben Stein I want to hear from...

7:59 Drew Yeah, go ahead and put it up, Anderson. This is line five.

8:01 Ben Stein Put it up?

8:04 Drew Yes.

8:04 Ben Stein Kind of a show is this.

8:06 Ben Stein Put it on the air, line five.

8:08 Drew Jessica? Jessica? Anderson, what's happening there? We can't get Jessica. I can't hear her if she's going.

8:17 Ben Stein I can't hear her either. I can't hear her either.

8:19 Let's try somebody else.

8:22 Drew I'm going to try rebooting my entire system here.

8:25 Ben Stein Reboot it.

8:26 Drew Yes, something seems to be happening.

8:28 Ben Stein I'm going to put you Deanna on one.

8:31 If you don't get Deanna, we've got big problems.

8:33 Ben Stein Okay, hold on.

8:34 Drew I have to start my whole system over again. So anyway, we can talk about you some more though.

8:40 Ben Stein Can you talk and boot at the same time?

8:42 Drew Yes, I can do that. That's what I'm doing in fact. Booting, when I was in college, booting meant vomiting.

8:48 Ben Stein No, booting means shooting heroin.

8:52 Drew Oh really? You guys were cooler in the 60s or whatever in college.

8:56 Ben Stein Boot it means shoot heroin or else take some other kind of drug. I have never taken heroin and never will, but that is what it means. Remember the first time you booted heroin, how great you felt? No, that's sort of like what that means.

9:10 You're a heroin addict.

9:12 Ben Stein That's if you use that phrase a lot, it certainly means that. I would never use heroin in a million years, never have and never would. Or methamphetamine. I still can't seem to get my cocaine or any other drug.

9:25 Drew So Anderson, if you could put line five up, that would be great.

9:27 Caller All right, I did last time. You still couldn't hear her, which is troublesome.

9:30 Drew Ah, is she on the phone? She's up. She's up. No, Jessica? Jessica? No, I depend. Can you hear Jessica?

9:40 Ben Stein No, I cannot hear Jessica.

9:43 Drew Why don't you try line one?

9:46 Ben Stein Okay, line one is on now.

9:48 Drew It's not showing on.

9:49 Ben Stein Deanna?

9:50 Ben Stein Hello?

9:51 Drew There we are. That was the problem. Okay, so call her, Deanna. What's going on?

9:56 Ben Stein Well, when I have sex with this one guy, after I orgasm, I get so tight that he can't get back in, you know, and he gets pushed out.

10:11 Drew Oh, my God. So he gets pushed out during the orgasm?

10:14 Ben Stein Yeah, and then he can't get back in. He can't even, like, finger me to get back in.

10:19 Drew Because it hurts?

10:20 Ben Stein I think there's a name for that.

10:22 Drew There is. It's called vaginismus.

10:23 Ben Stein Vaginismus, yes.

10:24 Drew That's right.

10:25 Ben Stein It doesn't hurt or anything.

10:28 Drew Well, when you win...

10:29 Ben Stein Maybe it doesn't hurt you, but it might hurt him. I doubt if he likes it. Maybe he does.

10:37 Drew He's disappointed.

10:38 Ben Stein What's the cure for this, Dr. Drew? I would think the cure for this would be booting up.

10:43 Drew Booting up is one way, I'm sure, that could get over this, but the reality is that when you... It's normal after an orgasm or during an orgasm to have vaginal contractions, okay? And some women, that can be quite powerful. In your case, there's some post-orgasmic spasm of the floor, the musculature of the pelvis, and that needs to give... You need to give some time to relax. Basically, you're overstimulated. Your body doesn't want any more stimulation at that point. How long do you think it would be before he could make another attempt at it?

11:12 Ben Stein If it were me, it would be about two weeks.

11:16 Drew I'm nearing that point too.

11:18 Ben Stein I have no idea. Sadly enough, he's the only second person I've ever come with.

11:27 Ben Stein How old is he?

11:29 Ben Stein He's 29.

11:33 Ben Stein I have a good idea for you. Do you know what hydrocodene is?

11:41 Ben Stein I know what it is.

11:42 Ben Stein I'm not going to take it.

11:43 Ben Stein We'll never know.

11:45 Drew It means he's advocating opiates for you.

11:49 Ben Stein That will create relaxation throughout your whole body. I was not going to say you should take them illegally. I was going to say you should see your sex doctor and get him to prescribe them.

12:00 Drew I don't think they would go down that path. I think just a little bit of time. I think it's a natural reaction. I think you got to give it a little time. Just like when he sometimes...

12:07 Ben Stein Well, wait a minute. I mean, the guy must be pretty unhappy about this. I think...

12:11 Drew Well, but they need to time it up better.

12:13 Ben Stein You know, I have a good idea. I have a better idea.

12:16 Drew Well, let me just say women have to wait for men to get their erection back. What's the big deal if he has to wait for her to sort of relax a little bit?

12:24 Ben Stein Why doesn't she...

12:25 Ben Stein Well, that's the thing with him.

12:28 Drew He never loses his erection.

12:29 Ben Stein No. And it takes forever for him to come. And so, you know, by the time he...

12:35 Ben Stein And this is a problem?

12:37 Ben Stein No, it's done. But the fact that, you know, I tighten up, he's really good.

12:42 Ben Stein Why don't you... Have you ever thought... All right. I have another suggestion for you. All right. Do you know who Al Gore is?

12:48 Ben Stein Yeah.

12:49 Ben Stein He ran from it. Think about him while you're having sex, and that should allow you to delay the orgasm long enough for him to reach completion. And then, and then you'll be all set.

13:02 Ben Stein Well, part of the reason he lasts so long is he has a spinal injury. Oh, my. Nerve damage. And I'm actually the only person to make him come in the last two years.

13:15 Ben Stein My God, you must feel special.

13:18 Caller Yeah, it's really special.

13:20 Ben Stein That is really great. What part of the country are you in?

13:23 Ben Stein Iowa.

13:25 Ben Stein That is great.

13:26 Drew See, when you were visiting Iowa, you missed this part of the American populace.

13:30 Ben Stein How did he hurt his back?

13:32 Ben Stein He got in a car accident. He got hit.

13:35 Ben Stein He must be so in love with you.

13:37 Ben Stein No, he's not.

13:39 Ben Stein He's not?

13:40 Drew Why not?

13:40 Ben Stein How do you know he's not? It sounds like he is. How do you know he's not in love with you?

13:44 Ben Stein That's not the type of relationship we have.

13:47 Ben Stein Well, what kind of relationship is it?

13:53 Drew Did you just use the F word?

13:55 Ben Stein I thought you weren't allowed to use that on the radio.

13:57 Drew You are not allowed to use that.

13:59 Ben Stein We'd like to apologize to the Federal Communications Commission for saying that. We are very sorry and we respectfully apologize to the FCC. And I've known many commissioners of the FCC in my life and they're all fine men and women and we apologize to them.

14:13 Drew And thankfully we have a 7 second delay so they got that out of the way for us.

14:17 Ben Stein Well wait a second. So you're friends who have sex with each other.

14:22 Drew Okay. But we want to talk to why she, I'm sure she wants this to be more than just friendship. Can we bring her back Anderson? She's on.

14:28 Ben Stein No.

14:29 Drew Okay. Diana, I'm sure you want this to be more than just friendship. Yes?

14:31 Ben Stein No I don't.

14:32 Drew Why? Why not?

14:33 Ben Stein You don't like him?

14:35 Ben Stein No.

14:40 Ben Stein I don't understand this. Why are you having sex with him if you don't like him? That to me sounds like a problem.

14:45 Ben Stein I like him as a friend and I like him as a person. I'm just not really big into relationships.

14:53 Ben Stein Why? Why are you not big into relationships? I think Dr. Drew, I think here we're getting to something. You're not big into relationships, but you like to do the wild thing with him. Yet when you do the wild thing, you experience some kind of physical revulsion at doing it and are symbolically casting him out of your body while you claim that you like doing it. And yet maybe if you loved him, you would not cast him out of your body like a child casting out demons.

15:22 Drew Like a foreign body.

15:23 Ben Stein Like in The Exorcist. Why don't you fall in love with him and see? Well, wait a second. Have you ever been in love with anyone?

15:32 Ben Stein Yes.

15:33 Drew Who?

15:36 Ben Stein Do I have to say his name?

15:37 Drew No.

15:38 Ben Stein But you can if you want.

15:41 Ben Stein He was my first real boyfriend, I guess. I dated like three other guys, but we went roller skating for goodness sake.

15:48 Ben Stein And how old were you at the time that you like did it with him?

15:52 Ben Stein I, well, I knew him since I was like a little kid because he was best friends with my brother.

15:58 Ben Stein I hope you weren't doing it with him when you were a little kid.

16:00 Ben Stein Oh, no, we never had sex.

16:02 Ben Stein Oh, sure.

16:04 Drew So let me sort of put the pieces together here. You were not traumatized growing up. You weren't physically or sexually abused.

16:09 Ben Stein Oh, you always get on that, Dr. Drew. That has nothing to do with this story.

16:13 Drew But I'm just going to make sure that that's not part of this because it does affect sort of how she would come to relationships.

16:19 Ben Stein All right. Will the witness will answer. Were you traumatized when you were a child?

16:23 Ben Stein No.

16:24 Ben Stein Okay. And have you ever had sex with anyone you really loved?

16:31 Ben Stein No.

16:32 Ben Stein Answer the question. Have you ever loved, have you ever really loved anyone?

16:35 Ben Stein Yes.

16:36 Ben Stein But this was the person you did not have sex with? You did have sex with him?

16:42 Ben Stein No.

16:44 Ben Stein So you've never had sex with anyone you loved?

16:46 Ben Stein No. Well, I loved him as a friend, but not more than that.

16:50 Ben Stein What's your occupation?

16:53 Ben Stein Occupation? I work at a Dollar General.

16:56 Ben Stein Those are great stories. That has been an incredible stock. Anyway, well, let's see.

17:03 Drew Well, look, here's the deal. Something's up with her dad. That's usually what creates...

17:07 Ben Stein No, it isn't.

17:09 Drew Yes, it is.

17:09 Ben Stein No, it isn't.

17:10 Drew It has nothing to do with her dad. Tell us about your dad.

17:14 Ben Stein Tell us in words of one syllable about your dad. Just in words of one syllable.

17:18 Caller And watch your language.

17:21 Ben Stein In words of one syllable.

17:23 Drew Diana?

17:24 Ben Stein I'm trying to think of words of one syllable.

17:26 Ben Stein Alright, never mind. They can be three syllables.

17:28 Drew Just describe your feelings about your dad.

17:31 Ben Stein But they can't be more than four.

17:35 Ben Stein He was a truck driver, a very quiet person.

17:39 Drew Your feelings about your dad?

17:41 Ben Stein Oh, my feelings about him? Indifferent.

17:47 Drew So you're disconnected from him?

17:49 Ben Stein Yeah. He had a daughter long before I was born. And she died. I'm sorry. We were never really close, but we had like... I really liked horses and so did he. So he got me a horse.

18:05 Ben Stein Okay. Okay. Wait a second. Let me just tell you... All right. Here we go. Let me just tell you something. Your name is Deanne? Okay. Let me just tell you something. I am probably one of the oldest people you've ever talked to. I'm older than... How old is your father?

18:23 Ben Stein He was 69.

18:25 Ben Stein Is he no longer living?

18:27 Ben Stein He is no longer living.

18:28 Ben Stein Oh, I'm very sorry. I apologize.

18:29 Drew What happened to him?

18:30 Ben Stein Well, I'm not older than your father. But I find, generally speaking, that women... Like, she just said he died.

18:36 Drew I mean... Well, I want to make sure he wasn't an advocate.

18:38 Ben Stein Don't tell me you think that her vaginismus is going to be relevant to the cause of her father's death.

18:45 Drew No, no, no. I'm just trying to get a picture... No, no. Why she can't feel close to people. Why that's overwhelming to her. And if her dad was an addict and a truck driver, never available, that would be...

18:55 Ben Stein Well, people can feel very close to addicts. I mean, I've had many addicts in my life that I've been very close to and so have we all.

19:02 Drew Absolutely. But if it's your dad, you'll tend to only feel close to people like that. You'll tend to go for people that aren't available to you.

19:10 Ben Stein But she's not saying that he's not available to her. She says she doesn't like him that much. Let's ask this question. Why do you like horses so much? What's so great about a horse?

19:25 Ben Stein I don't know.

19:26 Ben Stein Come on, tell us.

19:27 Ben Stein He's funny and quiet and strong and confident and...

19:34 Ben Stein Well, I have never known a woman who was really, really into horses who was able to form a genuine attachment to a man. Oh, interesting.

19:42 Drew Is that right? Never.

19:43 Ben Stein And not only that, my psychiatrist, whom I've been going to now for 25 years, is probably the best psychiatrist in the world except for... I know you're not a psychiatrist.

19:51 Drew No, I'm an internist.

19:53 Ben Stein He has said that if you find a woman who is really into horses, she's never going to be able to form a strong attachment with men. So I think you've got to choose, Deanne.

20:02 Drew And you're a busy bee if you're talking about dad.

20:05 Ben Stein Is it horses or is it men? What is it? Come on.

20:10 Ben Stein Well, since I haven't rode a horse since I was 10.

20:14 Ben Stein Okay, well then I think you've made your choice. You want men. I don't understand why you can't fall in love with this guy.

20:20 Drew Right, and this is the bottom line. Does he have bad breath? That closeness is required, you know, to be able to be in love, you have to feel comfortable in closeness and proximity to other minds, other people, to have intimacy and to be happy and fulfilled. Well, she feels close to his dick.

20:35 Ben Stein I mean, so she's close to him already, but she's not...

20:39 Drew Anderson?

20:41 Ben Stein She's not feeling close to his... Anderson? Anderson? She's not feeling close to him psychologically.

20:50 Drew No, right. And that's the point. No, no, that's the point. And she had dad was unavailable, whatever, maybe or maybe not that it's something to do it. But the fact is she needs to make a commitment to finding ways to take herself into closeness because... All right, I'm putting her on hold. Still not working. Because that's what people need to be happy, right? I mean, is that simple enough?

21:10 Ben Stein I couldn't... No, it's too complicated. I could not agree more, but first she's got to just get those horses out of her mind altogether.

21:19 Drew I agree.

21:21 Ben Stein You're 23, right?

21:22 Drew She's 23. We got to move on to another caller.

21:24 Ben Stein All right. Well, we love talking to you, DeAnn, and we hope that you have a good life.

21:28 Drew All right. Let's talk to line three, Anderson and Veronica. You want to go to commercial now?

21:33 Ben Stein Yeah.

21:33 Ben Stein We can try and figure out your phone, maybe.

21:34 Drew That's a mess.

21:35 Ben Stein Yeah.

21:35 Drew Actually, I already figured it out.

21:36 Ben Stein There's nothing we can do.

21:37 Drew What's the matter?

21:38 Bad phone line.

21:39 Ben Stein We love you, DeAnn. We're sorry. Want to go to Veronica real quick?

21:43 Drew No, we can take commercial if you want. Okay. All right. Here we are. Ben Stein with us tonight. You know him from many projects, not the least of which is Ferris Bueller, Win Ben Stein Money, Turn Ben Stein On. He is a prolific author. How to Ruin Your Life, How to Ruin Your Love Life, How to Ruin Your Financial Life are books to live by. God bless you.

22:02 Ben Stein You're very generous to say that.

22:04 Drew No, they are very wise and they're things not to be missed.

22:07 Ben Stein You're very generous to say that.

22:08 Drew And very clever too. So we'll be back with Ben Stein.

22:11 Ben Stein You're very generous to say that.

22:12 Drew And we'll be back after this.

22:13 Ben Stein Bueller. Bueller. Bueller.

22:36 Drew The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. With us tonight, Ben Stein. And a lot of people know that Ben Stein is a smart guy and a prolific author, but I'm not sure everyone knows that he was a speechwriter for Richard Nixon.

22:48 Ben Stein And Gerald Ford.

22:49 Drew And Gerald Ford went to Columbia. And then Yale Law School. Did you become an attorney? Did you?

22:53 Ben Stein I was briefly a trial attorney, but I hated it. I don't like arguing. I really do not like arguing.

22:59 Drew What kind of stuff were you doing?

23:00 Ben Stein I was doing what's called trade regulation, which is a false and deceptive advertising law. And it was all, almost all of it was about a very, very large fruit flavored drink called Hi-C. And we were alleging that the advertisements were not factual. And we did not win the case. And I don't think I should have won.

23:20 Drew Hi-C is not good for you.

23:22 Ben Stein No, I think Hi-C is good for you. As a matter of fact, I was sort of ordered to proceed with the case. I myself have always been a big fan of Hi-C, but it was a typical example of government overreaching and meddling.

23:34 Drew Do you put your law degree to use to this day? Are you glad you have that?

23:37 Ben Stein Yes, I do. I have people ask me legal questions and I give them answers. I don't get paid for it, but I just give them advice. And I had a great time in law school. Wifey and I were in law school together, and Wifey and I used to have a lot of fun. We would get incredibly high and play bridge and cheat at bridge and just be riotously, unbelievably high. We were there at the same time as George Bush, as a matter of fact, and that was sort of the fashion then. We had a lot of fun. I had more fun in law school.

24:07 Drew Did you know him?

24:08 Ben Stein I met him once or twice because I was one of the people who ran the Yale Law School Film Society, and he used to come to our movies on occasion. He was a funny guy.

24:17 Drew And how about Bill and Hillary? Were they there then?

24:20 Ben Stein Hillary was a first year when I was a third year, and I knew her slightly, and my wife knew her a little bit. And Bill came the year after that and I didn't know him. I've never met him. He did send me an incredibly kind letter when my father died. I had a prominent father. And so I do not share the anger against him that many Republicans feel. I think he was basically a pretty good guy.

24:42 Drew Good administrator, that's for sure.

24:44 Ben Stein I think he was a very capable guy.

24:45 Drew Yeah, it's, and I'm not sure people around the country appreciate, Yale Law School is, that's, particularly in that period of history, top of the heap. I mean, that's where everybody wanted to go.

24:54 Ben Stein It was a very, it still is. Very, very good law school. And I had nothing but smart people around me, many much smarter than I was.

25:01 Drew Let's take some calls here, Ben. This is Crystal, who is 13. Crystal.

25:05 Ben Stein Hello.

25:06 Drew Hold your breath, there we go. Hi, Crystal.

25:08 Ben Stein How are you? How was your weekend?

25:10 Ben Stein It was good. How was yours?

25:12 Ben Stein Fine. Where are you calling from?

25:13 Ben Stein California.

25:14 Drew Did you have a nice Thanksgiving?

25:16 Ben Stein Yeah.

25:16 Drew Excellent. And this is where you tell us what you'd like us to respond to.

25:21 Ben Stein Okay. I like this guy and he looks at porn and he masturbates and stuff like that. And like he knows that I like him and he thinks I'm like some like innocent kind of girl and stuff like that.

25:36 Ben Stein Are you really a bad girl?

25:37 Ben Stein Like I masturbate and look at porn and stuff like that too. You do? But he doesn't know that.

25:43 Drew This is the ubiquitous Internet.

25:46 Ben Stein Do you watch the porn on the Internet or do you buy discs and watch it?

25:51 Ben Stein Internet.

25:52 Ben Stein What's your favorite one site?

25:54 Ben Stein I don't know.

25:55 Ben Stein You don't know? How do you get to it?

25:58 Ben Stein I don't know. My friend sends it to me.

26:01 Ben Stein He sends you a link or she sends you a link? What's on the site?

26:06 Ben Stein This stuff.

26:08 Ben Stein And so you... Okay, go ahead.

26:11 Drew What's your question about this?

26:12 Ben Stein I was wondering if I should tell him that.

26:15 Ben Stein Well, what's the point of telling him? Because you want him to be your boyfriend, want him to know that you're sexually experienced, at least to some extent.

26:24 Ben Stein I don't know. Like...

26:30 Drew Crystal, here's my basic take. It is absolutely fine that you do that. It is normal. It is healthy. It's good that you're understanding, learning about yourself. Don't get lost in all that. It can get overstimulating and your brain is still... Well, I don't know about that. Think about it, Ben. We don't really know the impact of all that pouring down on 12, 13, 14-year-olds. It may not be a big deal, but we don't know. So it's fine.

26:51 Ben Stein Well, what grade are you in, Crystal?

26:54 Ben Stein I'm in 8th.

26:55 Ben Stein Are you able to do your homework?

26:57 Ben Stein Yeah.

26:58 Ben Stein Are you able to go to gym class?

27:00 Ben Stein Yeah.

27:01 Ben Stein Are you able to help your mother clean up from dinner? Well, I mean, are you basically a responsible human being?

27:08 Drew Yeah, of course she is. Of course she is. But here's the deal.

27:11 Ben Stein Of course she is. You get the most psych of bitches in the world calling in here. Well, that's true.

27:15 Drew We do. But Kelly, we sort of, you get the feeling, you know, when people are really sick, that you feel a certain way and she doesn't give you that feeling certainly. But here's the deal. I don't want her to feel ashamed for masturbating. Women should do that. It's fine. It's healthy. So be it. Great. But Ben, consider this. Let's take a bunch of adolescent primate chimpanzees and let's stimulate them in all kinds of crazy images that make them excited and know... And do you think that might change the trajectory of their neurobiological development? I don't know. We don't know that.

27:45 Ben Stein I don't know either, but I'm a little more puzzled by the next thing. Do you want to have sex with this other 13-year-old boy? Is that why you want to... You're thinking of telling him that you are sexually active, at least with yourself. Is that the point of it?

28:01 Ben Stein Yeah, I guess.

28:03 Ben Stein Well, so that's the real issue. I think 13 is a little old to start out. Wait, no, wait a second. I got that backwards.

28:11 A little young.

28:13 Ben Stein No, I'm kidding. I love my own jokes.

28:16 Drew How are the clear eyes people going to feel about this?

28:18 Ben Stein No, they don't. They won't be listening to this. They're very sober people who got a better life. They... 13 is too young to start having sex with this guy, don't you think? I mean...

28:29 Drew Absolutely. I mean, it's really pretty young. Yes, yes. It's really pretty darn young. One thing that the current research suggests is that really the brain cannot handle until about 16 the effects of intimacy and it becomes traumatizing. It's overwhelming prior to that age. It really leaves effects. I've never met a woman who had sex before the age of 16 that didn't wish that she'd waited longer.

28:56 Ben Stein I've never met a woman who wished they'd never had sex.

28:59 Drew That's right. You'll rarely meet a woman who says...

29:02 Ben Stein Especially the one who had sex with me.

29:04 Drew That's a different issue. But you rarely meet a woman who says, I wish I had lost my gender earlier. Lots of guys say that, but you'll never meet a woman who will always say, I wish I had waited.

29:16 Ben Stein I have met women who wish they'd had sex earlier. I certainly met women who wish they'd had more sex. But Crystal, what do you think will happen to you if you have sex with this man? What do you think, how do you think your life will change if you have sexual intercourse with this other 13-year-old person? How will your life be different?

29:39 Drew That's one way.

29:40 Ben Stein How else besides possibly getting pregnant, do you think you...

29:43 You...

29:47 Ben Stein I mean, how else do you think it would change?

29:49 Ben Stein I don't want to have sex with him. I just want to say that I'll turn him on.

29:53 Ben Stein Well, why do you want to turn him on except to have sex with him?

29:58 Ben Stein I don't know.

29:59 Ben Stein So you want to torture him with your young body? Is that it? I mean, what is the point?

30:11 Drew See, this is what concerns about the porn raining down on these kids, Ben.

30:14 Ben Stein Very confusing for them.

30:15 Drew Yeah, they're seeing all these sexual images that are adult in nature, that have meaning to adults, and they're making their own meaning of it based on very primitive understanding, and it leads to trouble. Let's go to Veronica, who's 25. Veronica?

30:27 Ben Stein Thank you for calling very much, Crystal.

30:28 Drew Thank you, yes, absolutely. Thank you.

30:29 Ben Stein Good luck to you, Crystal.

30:30 Drew Veronica?

30:31 Ben Stein Hello? Yes.

30:32 Drew Hey, what's up? You're on with Ben Stein.

30:34 Ben Stein And Dr. Drew.

30:36 Ben Stein Yes. All right. I've been waiting to get on your show for quite some time. Every time I call, it's always busy. But anyway, I need some insight on something.

30:46 Ben Stein Okay, here we go.

30:50 Ben Stein Well, it seems like every guy that I come across and I end up making friends with, I have to have sex with them.

30:57 Ben Stein Why? Why do you have to do that?

30:59 Ben Stein I don't, I don't know. And it's, it's difficult.

31:01 Ben Stein You mean they make you do it at gunpoint or what? What do you mean you say you have to do it?

31:07 Drew I don't know.

31:07 Ben Stein I just, I really, I don't know why.

31:10 Ben Stein How old are you?

31:11 Drew 25.

31:12 Ben Stein 25.

31:12 Drew We call that a boundary problem. A boundary difficulty.

31:18 Ben Stein I was just there giving a speech. It's a really nice place. And there's a good place for ribs there, I think.

31:23 Drew Oh yes, a couple of them.

31:25 Ben Stein Yeah. Well, let me ask you a question. Give us a scenario about how the friends into lovers thing happens. I mean, you're out going to a movie, say, or having a hamburger with the guy, and then how do you next find yourself having sex with him? How does that work out?

31:47 Ben Stein Well, this weekend I went to a friend's house, went to a house party, and there was this guy that I saw from a previous party and we ended up having sex that night.

31:55 Ben Stein I know, but you didn't, and it didn't, like, stop making those noises. They're really distracting.

32:01 Drew So you didn't just run in the bedroom, you met, you talked. What happened?

32:04 Ben Stein Yeah, and you talked to him, did he say, like, I dig you, I want you, I need you, or did he give you drugs, or what happened? And so what drugs did he give you?

32:12 Ben Stein No, we smoked a little bit, but...

32:14 Ben Stein Smoked a little of the Reefer, the Chronic?

32:17 No, we...

32:19 Drew Ben, say Chronic again.

32:21 Ben Stein Did you smoke the Chronic?

32:22 Drew Yeah.

32:23 Ben Stein What did you smoke? The Chronic?

32:25 Ben Stein Huh?

32:26 Ben Stein Did he have a good stash?

32:31 Ben Stein Yeah, I don't know how it happens, it's just like we get to talk and...

32:34 Ben Stein Wait a minute, you don't know how it happens? Are they giving you... Are they giving you... Oh, are they giving you Rohypnol? I mean, what, you don't know how it happens?

32:42 Ben Stein Well, I mean, you know, it could be that I drink a little bit too much.

32:46 Ben Stein Ah, a little bit. How many drinks did you have?

32:51 Ben Stein Well, that's not it. I think I had seven.

32:54 Ben Stein Seven drinks and you smoked the ganja and you wonder how it happened?

32:59 Caller That's why I did that little sound then.

33:01 Ben Stein I usually don't...

33:01 Drew He knows, he knows.

33:03 Ben Stein This is a recent thing, but it centers around like drinking. Um, that's usually how it happens.

33:10 Ben Stein Well, that's usually how it happens for everybody.

33:13 Drew Is there alcoholism in your family? Is this part of an alcoholic process?

33:16 Ben Stein Did your father abuse you?

33:17 Drew Where's my bourbon?

33:18 Ben Stein No, uh-uh, he didn't.

33:21 Ben Stein I was kidding, I was making fun of Dr. Drew. So you're waiting to see your father didn't abuse you, and yet you're having sex.

33:28 Drew Now this is a mystery.

33:31 Ben Stein Why would anyone whose father didn't abuse her ever have sex?

33:33 Drew I know, it's hard to believe that. It's hard to imagine.

33:35 Ben Stein I can't imagine that.

33:37 Ben Stein My father was really quiet growing up. He never...

33:40 Ben Stein Oh, well that's another form of abuse. That's called quiet abuse. Dr. Drew knows a lot about that. Why don't you... Okay, so I have an idea. Why don't you try not drinking for a couple of weeks and see what happens? I bet you will find you don't have quite as much sex.

33:58 Ben Stein Maybe, maybe not.

33:59 Ben Stein What do you mean maybe not? Have you ever had sex with somebody you met the same night without either having the chronic or some other drug or else alcohol ever?

34:12 Ben Stein Yeah, I have.

34:13 Ben Stein You have when?

34:14 Ben Stein But it's not as much.

34:16 Drew When? Did you want to then?

34:17 Ben Stein Did you want to? Who was the guy?

34:19 Ben Stein It was a guy, a couple guys back at my old college that I went to.

34:23 Ben Stein What college?

34:25 Ben Stein Yeah, it was a college team. It wasn't a party, you were just hanging out in the dorm room.

34:29 Drew You were just what? You were just doing what? Hanging out in the dorm room.

34:33 Ben Stein You were hanging out in the dorm room, none of you was high, and you just said, let's come on dudes, let's get it on, and you proceeded to tear that hotel down. I don't get that. How did that work? That you're sitting there, you're watching a football game, and the next thing you know the guy is doing you, and you don't know how it happened?

34:52 Ben Stein You know, it could be anything from watching a movie, and then we start getting sitting closer together, and then he puts his arm around me, then we start kissing, and...

35:00 Drew But all guys are gonna want to do that with you, right? You know that.

35:03 Ben Stein Are you cute? What are you wearing right now?

35:07 Ben Stein I have a huge jacket on, because it's freaking cold here.

35:10 Drew But, Veronica, here's the deal.

35:12 Ben Stein Oh, you're in Kansas City.

35:13 Drew Let's get to it here. Is there alcohol in your family? Are you likely to have inherited that genetic potential?

35:18 Ben Stein No, it's only on the weekends, once in a while, whenever I drink.

35:22 Ben Stein When was the answer to this question, witness?

35:25 Drew Is it in your family system? Is there a genetic potential here?

35:28 Caller No, but drugs is.

35:30 Ben Stein Respect my authorita.

35:32 Drew Who's the addict?

35:35 Ben Stein God, my brother, he's a drug addict, my other brother is an alcoholic.

35:42 Drew All right.

35:43 Ben Stein How many drinks do you think you have in a typical week on average?

35:47 Ben Stein Probably five, and that's during the weekend.

35:50 Ben Stein You only have five for the whole weekend?

35:53 Ben Stein Yeah, Friday or Saturday night. But then I go for the first of it, like I'll like go out like crazy for three months and then I won't go out. And I get this like feminazi mood. It's really weird.

36:05 Ben Stein What's feminazi mood?

36:07 Ben Stein My brother calls it.

36:09 Ben Stein What does that mean?

36:09 Ben Stein He's all guys and I would just want to take them all down. And yeah.

36:14 Ben Stein So you have very ambivalent feelings about men.

36:17 Drew Yes, yes. And she acts them out sexually and then she hates them for participating with her.

36:21 Ben Stein Do you hate them for helping to humiliate you? Do you feel like you've been humiliated?

36:30 Ben Stein Maybe like there's guilt afterwards.

36:32 Ben Stein Do they ever call you afterwards and do you ever?

36:36 Ben Stein They'll call and want to do it more.

36:39 Drew Do it again.

36:39 Ben Stein Go back Jack, do it again.

36:41 Drew All right, Veronica, one way you can look about this.

36:43 Ben Stein Well, I think there's a lot more to be said to Veronica.

36:45 Drew Oh, absolutely. Well, you want to put it on hold? Because I've got to take commercial break.

36:48 Ben Stein I like Veronica.

36:49 Drew Okay, I do too. She's very interesting.

36:50 Ben Stein We like you, Veronica.

36:51 Drew What are you wearing right now? Ben, easy. There's a window in that studio room.

36:56 Ben Stein I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

36:57 Drew Yeah, sure, right. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, sure. Anyway, but there's one of the ways to conceptualize what's going on with her, and there are many different psychological issues, obviously, with her. But one is that this is part of an alcoholic addictive process, and one of the things that happens neurobiologically is that sex will activate that same, what's called the medial forebrain bundle that the alcohol does, and when you're in a system, when you're in a sort of a binge, where you're being driven by that system, sex and alcohol go together for some people.

37:28 Ben Stein Well, of course, because they all make you feel good, they all release that thing, those things in the blood that make you feel good. I mean, there's a reason why people have been drinking for many centuries, and people have been having sex for many centuries.

37:41 Drew Well, but when it gets out of control, we know that the mechanism in the medial forebrain takes over, and you can't use your volition the way you'd like to, because the drives intensify.

37:51 Ben Stein Well, she wouldn't be calling us if she were happy with her behavior, so we know there's something wrong. But what I wonder is, why does she get in this mood of anger at the men over something she's done herself? I mean, you've never been raped, have you, Veronica?

38:06 Drew Well, we're going to find out if Veronica's been raped. We're going to end with Ben Stein. Be sure to check out his books at amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com. It's How to Ruin Your Life, How to Ruin Your Love Life, and or How to Ruin Your Fate. I want to find out if she's been raped. Hang on. Ben, you want to put them in a little, like a threesome packet for Christmas. You know what I mean?

38:27 Ben Stein Yeah, we're going to.

38:28 Drew Perfect. So you can buy the Christmas package of Ben Stein's books.

38:32 Ben Stein Thank you.

38:32 Drew When we return, it's 1-800-LOVE-191. When we return, we're going to find out, first of all, if Veronica's been raped. If Veronica's been raped. We'll be right back. I'm a rapist. Yep.

38:43 Caller Glad to hear it.

38:59 Drew Hey, it's Loveline, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, a very special Loveline where you are getting the benefit of the wisdom of the great Ben Stein. And in fact, we're sort of breaking one of our rhythmic rules here, which is we try to go call every three or four minutes. We're going like 12, 14 minutes.

39:14 Ben Stein I'm sorry. Well, you do whatever you think you want.

39:17 Drew No, no, that's what I want. No, no, I like it. I'm just apologizing to people. Were you abused as a child, Dr. Drew? No, no.

39:22 Ben Stein Why do you feel you have to be in all these rhythms, then?

39:27 Drew You know, I was abused as a co-host for a long time, and I was abused into certain sort of rhythms and things.

39:33 Ben Stein Yes, exactly. Veronica, are you still there?

39:36 Ben Stein I'm still here.

39:39 Ben Stein How tall are you, Veronica?

39:41 Ben Stein Five nine.

39:42 Ben Stein Whoa, that's pretty tall.

39:43 Ben Stein Want us to get her number off air for you, Ben?

39:45 Ben Stein No, no. How much do you weigh?

39:48 Ben Stein I'm 140.

39:50 Ben Stein That's about right. Let me ask you a question. After you've had these sexual incidents with people who you're not really close to, do you wake up the next morning and say, God, I'm a slut and hate yourself?

40:03 Ben Stein I used to think that, like, I didn't have sex until I was 18. But I used to go through that and I was like, no, I mean, it should be okay for a woman to have sex, you know, controlled sex, you know, with condoms and birth control.

40:16 Drew Well, don't, you're convincing yourself of stuff that you weren't feeling is the problem.

40:20 Ben Stein But you, yeah, do you, that's a good point, Dr. Drew. Do you feel ashamed of yourself right now?

40:27 Ben Stein Only because my friend said something to me, my friend that went with me at that health party.

40:32 Ben Stein Did she have sex, too?

40:34 Ben Stein With her boyfriend, yeah.

40:36 Ben Stein At the party?

40:37 Ben Stein Yeah.

40:38 Ben Stein Did you watch?

40:41 Ben Stein No.

40:42 Ben Stein Okay, just wondering.

40:43 No.

40:45 Ben Stein No, I didn't watch, sorry.

40:46 Ben Stein How do you know she had sex? Did you just tell her?

40:48 Drew Oh, Ben.

40:49 Ben Stein Well, I'm sure they did.

40:50 Ben Stein They have sex all the time, so.

40:52 Ben Stein Okay, well then, so, but this is a guy who's her steady boyfriend.

40:55 Drew Right.

40:55 Ben Stein Yeah, exactly.

40:57 Ben Stein So have you ever had a steady boyfriend?

41:00 Ben Stein I am in the middle of a divorce right now.

41:04 Ben Stein So, you were married?

41:06 Ben Stein Yeah, we went out for five years and all we did was have sex. There is nothing else in the relationship. And that's why we're getting divorced now, because we didn't know each other. All we did was have sex. Well, I was really addicted. Like, I've calmed down quite a bit.

41:20 Ben Stein You're addicted to sex?

41:22 Ben Stein Yeah.

41:22 Drew And you were not abused?

41:24 Ben Stein Not physically, but I was molested by-

41:29 Ben Stein Ah, so there we go. Was this the thing with Al Gore?

41:35 Ben Stein Um, no.

41:36 Drew No, sexual abuse plus biology, genetics of addiction creates sexual addictions.

41:43 Ben Stein Who was-

41:43 Drew It's very unusual.

41:44 Ben Stein Tell us about the abuse incident.

41:48 Ben Stein My brothers, they had, I don't know, molested me one time. And then I had a childhood friend, which I'm thinking this could be the link to all of it. From like the age of five until the age of ten, he would always like, when we'd go over to his, like my mom would go over to their house and I'd see him, and he'd always like try and get me in his bedroom and take advantage of me. And this went on for many years, and I never told my mother about it.

42:14 Ben Stein I think this is something going on here. You are equating sex and being touched and being entered with being cared about and loved, which is not necessarily the same thing.

42:24 Drew You know what the extraordinary thing about the human being, Ben, is that when we are traumatized in childhood, we enter our adult life and reenact the same traumas over and over and over again. And of course, our culture tells you, it's cool. Why not? It's whatever you want. You're just into sex. No, it's a highly, highly dysfunctional behavior, and it needs to be treated. You are getting sexually addicted. This is the classic setup for sexual addiction. And everyone who gets into these behaviors is miserable. They're angry with themselves and ashamed. They're angry with the men for participating and reenacting these traumas. And it's a very serious situation. You've already lost one marriage because of it.

42:58 Ben Stein And the last, let's see, today is November 28th. How many men have you had sex with in the last six months?

43:08 Ben Stein Probably, God, 10, 12?

43:11 Ben Stein That isn't that many, Dr. Drew, is it?

43:14 Drew No, but listen, I'm telling you this, she's got all the earmarks of trouble here, and I suggest that she gets some help with it.

43:19 Ben Stein Well, how many times a week would you say you have sex typically?

43:23 Ben Stein It's random, it really depends, like this weekend, I had, well I only had sex with one person this weekend.

43:29 Drew Only?

43:30 Ben Stein Well, only one person.

43:31 Ben Stein Yeah.

43:33 Ben Stein Did you have sex with any other kind of being?

43:36 Ben Stein Well, during like the sexual spurts, it could be, I could have sex with four people, four or five people over the week.

43:43 Drew Veronica, Veronica, seriously, I deal with this stuff all the time in my professional life, and you've got to get some help with this. You just see, you just see a general therapist or somebody particularly who has a history of helping people with addictions because that is what's burgeoning here. This is going to link into a chemical addiction too, eventually. And you're unhappy with this, you called us about it. Do something about it. If you want to do something that's free, go to a 12-step meeting.

44:07 Ben Stein Yeah, that's just what I was going to say. There is something called Sex Addicts Anonymous. You can go to it. They give you a form to fill out and tells you whether you are, can be considered a sex addict. Do you do it to the point where you feel ashamed? Do you feel that people are making you do it? Have you ever done it when you didn't want to? Do you do it with people just so you can seem to please them? Do you ever do it even though you don't?

44:26 Drew That seems to know a little too much about this test, but anyway.

44:29 Ben Stein Yeah, I think you should try a Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting and see if there is one in... Kansas City. I'm sure there is in a big city like Kansas City, which is a wonderful city, by the way. It has incredibly nice people.

44:41 Drew Good barbecue.

44:42 Ben Stein No, no, there's a very, very, very nice city. Incredibly nice people.

44:44 Drew They are nice. The people in the Midwest, come on, are so nice.

44:47 Ben Stein People in the Midwest are the salt of the earth.

44:49 Drew Yes, I agree.

44:50 Ben Stein Well, we enjoyed talking to you, Veronica, and we hope you have a great life.

44:54 Drew Call me back. Let me know how this turns out. This is now a-

44:56 Ben Stein Call me back, too.

44:58 Drew This is again, Ben, I'll get you back, and then we'll get Veronica back.

45:02 Ben Stein Good.

45:02 Drew Kathleen, this is Kathleen's 21. Kathleen, this is for Ben.

45:05 Ben Stein Hi.

45:05 Ben Stein Hi, Kathleen.

45:07 Ben Stein How are you guys?

45:08 Ben Stein Fine. How are you?

45:09 Ben Stein Oh, PT Keane.

45:11 Ben Stein Where are you from, Kathleen?

45:12 Ben Stein I'm from Santa Rosa, in California.

45:14 Ben Stein Oh, we love California. Okay.

45:16 Ben Stein I love California, too. It's kind of wet right now, but, you know.

45:19 Drew Really?

45:21 Ben Stein It's pouring.

45:22 Ben Stein Well, it's very pleasant down here in Southern California. Maybe you should consider moving in here.

45:26 Drew Oh, boy. Did you have something to say?

45:30 Ben Stein This is wonderful. Would you like to say something?

45:34 Ben Stein I just wanted to say that, Ben Stein, you are amazing. Everything you said so far tonight, I agree with wholeheartedly.

45:41 Ben Stein Oh, well, thank you.

45:42 Ben Stein I like watching you. Everything, like everything on TV, you're just wonderful.

45:46 Ben Stein Well, we love you, Kathleen. What's your occupation?

45:49 I'm a student right now.

45:51 Ben Stein I major in archaeology and marine biology and minor in languages.

45:55 Ben Stein What school do you go to?

45:57 Ben Stein I'm at the JC and don't make fun of me.

45:59 Drew You're fat. You're going to the university or you're planning to go there?

46:05 I'm thinking about Monterey.

46:07 Ben Stein Well, Adam Corolla. Well, let me just make, Adam Corolla is one who makes fun of people who go to junior colleges. I don't.

46:13 Drew We don't.

46:14 Ben Stein We respect people who go to junior colleges. And if you want to really study marine biology and also have a great time, I recommend UC Santa Cruz, which is the coolest place in the world.

46:25 Drew And by the way, when Adam was in junior colleges in the 70s, when there was sort of a wastebasket there, now some junior colleges, certain midwest and east, are really sort of, it's an honor to go there and they're tracks in the very high levels of education.

46:39 Ben Stein We have very, very good junior colleges in California. All right. Do you have a sex or love related question?

46:44 Drew No, no. I can't. I got it. This is a break I have to take on time. But Kathleen, here's the deal. You love Ben Stein so much. Here's what you got to do. How to ruin your life, how to ruin your love life, how to ruin your financial life. Those are the books. You go to Amazon, you buy. And they're now going to come in as a set for Christmas. So you can talk to Ben Stein. Some more after this break. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. Hey, there, it's Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, the great Ben Stein in the studio tonight. Ben, anything coming up in television for you in the near future?

47:28 Ben Stein No, I don't think I'll ever be on TV again.

47:31 Drew Why?

47:31 Ben Stein No, I'm just kidding.

47:32 Drew Okay.

47:34 Ben Stein But no plans. I actually am in the process of trying to sell a show in which I would do all different jobs to see what it was like doing jobs, like being a greeter at Walmart, being a waiter at Denny's, being a information operator, being an ambulance driver, just trying all different jobs.

47:55 Drew That's a great idea.

47:56 Ben Stein I think we're fairly close to selling that. We shall see. A very smart friend of mine named Judith Friedman thought it up.

48:02 Drew That's a great idea.

48:03 Ben Stein Thank you.

48:03 Drew Tell me about your upbringing. Where did you grow up?

48:05 Ben Stein I grew up in a suburb of Washington, DC called Silver Spring, Maryland. It was a very, very, very pleasant...

48:13 Drew The great Bate family used to live, right?

48:15 Ben Stein I don't know. You mean Master Bate? No, I actually went to school with some very famous people. I went to school with Carl Bernstein, the famous Watergate reporter. He lived next door to me. And also the year after me in high school, a close friend in high school, not a really close friend, a friend, was Goldie Hawn. And then right after her was Connie Chung. And in junior high, one of my classmates was Sylvester Stallone, so lots of famous people. But it was a very nice place to grow up. Very, very nice place.

48:46 Drew Anything you can shed light on for us as far as those people are concerned?

48:50 Ben Stein Well, Goldie Hawn has always been a very nice, pleasant human being. And for all I know, she still is. I haven't seen her in a few years. I used to see her occasionally at Morton's, but I haven't seen her for a long time there. Carl Bernstein and I are still close friends, and he's a very amusing guy. I mean, I disagree with him politically about as much as a person can disagree, but America is such a great country that people can still be friends, even though they disagree politically. Connie Chung is a wonderful, wonderful young woman. I guess she's not as young as she was, but she's a very lovely woman. Sylvester Stallone was a skinny, gawky kid, and he and I used to hang out at the same pizza place. And he's a great guy. I mean, these are all great people. You know, I am closer to the people I went to high school with than to the people I went to law school or college with. And when my father died, several of them came to his funeral, and they're just really wonderful people. And it was a very close-knit group at Montgomery Blair High School. And we're still close-knit 43 years after we graduated.

49:45 Drew Was your dad in government?

49:46 Ben Stein My father was an economist for a group called the Committee for Economic Development, which is a private businessman's group. And then under President Nixon, he was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors. And that made him a member of the cabinet. And he was that briefly under Mr. Ford also. And then he became a professor at the University of Virginia. And he was on the Board of Directors of various public companies. And also a columnist for the New York Times. I'm sorry, for the Wall Street Journal for a long time. I'm the one who's a columnist for the New York Times.

50:16 Drew Ah, interesting.

50:17 Ben Stein Well, you're very kind to ask.

50:20 Drew Let's take a call. Matt 16.

50:22 Ben Stein Hey, what's up, Drew?

50:24 Drew What's up, Matt?

50:25 Ben Stein Yeah, hi. Ben, how are you doing?

50:27 Ben Stein What up?

50:28 Ben Stein Yeah. I feel like I'm one of those people that like overly masturbates. And I mean, I should know like if they're in like long-term like health risks, risks or like.

50:42 Drew No, you're not going to turn yourself inside out or anything like that. Though you can certainly, people do occasionally hurt themselves, their skin. You know, they actually go to the girl.

50:51 Ben Stein Yeah, yeah. I got like a rash down there from from it.

50:55 Drew How many times a day are you doing this?

50:58 Ben Stein Five, six.

50:59 Ben Stein Oh my God. You're sick.

51:02 Ben Stein Holy smoke.

51:04 Ben Stein I'm just kidding. That's incredible. How do you have time to do anything else? What do you, what do you, right? Are you in school?

51:13 Ben Stein Yeah, yeah.

51:15 Ben Stein What grade?

51:16 Ben Stein I'm 10.

51:20 Ben Stein Are you a popular kid?

51:21 Ben Stein What?

51:22 Drew How do you have time to do anything else?

51:23 Ben Stein Are you a popular kid? Or do people want to shake your hand?

51:29 Ben Stein I don't think after this, after this.

51:32 Ben Stein No, I don't think so. I think, could you try to cut it down to four times a day?

51:38 Drew Oh, poor Matt. Matt, you know, it's, it's, some male, young male, sixteen to nineteen, will do this a couple times a day. That, that's a, that for some men is a normal rate, some even three. But five times a day, you're getting sort of a compulsive range.

51:53 Ben Stein This is a drug addiction. He's addicted to the drug that is secreted when he has an orgasm. He might as well be smoking crack. I mean, this, it's not illegal. Well, maybe it is illegal. I don't think it's illegal, but it's a, maybe it is illegal. No, I don't think it's illegal, but it's, but it's, I mean, this is a, this, now Dr. Drew, you are an addiction specialist and I normally make fun of you saying that things are addictions. But this, I think we have, can call a true addiction.

52:22 Drew Well, it is if it has consequences and if the sort of the right setup is there. In other words, addiction has a genetic basis to it and so is there alcoholism in your family?

52:33 Ben Stein Oh, God, Drew, can't you ever get off that?

52:36 Drew No, no, you can't have addiction without the gene. And so one of the first questions I was...

52:40 Ben Stein Well, do you think he's maybe, why don't you ask your father if he's a chronic masturbator?

52:44 Drew Well, no, that's because it's a different syndrome if it's an addiction as opposed to a compulsion. And so what differentiates the addiction is the genetic potential for addiction. So is there alcoholism in your family somewhere?

52:56 Ben Stein There's a little bit on my dad's side.

52:58 Drew And is your dad an alcoholic?

52:59 Ben Stein When you say a little bit, what do you mean by a little bit?

53:04 Ben Stein His brother, his brother is an alcoholic, but he is not.

53:07 Ben Stein Well, but how do you know your father is not an alcoholic? Maybe he's doing it secretly, the way you're masturbating secretly.

53:14 Drew Or controlling something.

53:15 Ben Stein Like we've had this talk before and he said that, like, that I've been caught drinking before. My dad has told me that there is addiction in his family.

53:23 Drew All right, so he's worried about just a possibility. So it's not for sure.

53:26 Ben Stein Dr. Drew, with all due respect to your obvious intelligence and education and experience, do you not think it is possible that he can be addicted to sex without also carrying a gene for alcoholism or drug addiction?

53:41 Drew In the definition of addiction, this is a 1992 consensus publication that was put out in the medical literature. Addiction required is a genetic disorder.

53:54 Ben Stein I don't doubt that it does, but maybe the genetic disorder is an addiction to sex and now an addiction to alcohol.

54:01 Drew Oh, absolutely, but you need to see evidence of some addictive process being passed along.

54:09 Ben Stein I mean, gee whiz, he's been masturbating five or six times a day. What more do you want to see? Do you want to see him drowning?

54:14 Drew Well, he could be bipolar. He could be manic depressive, and bipolar's do this. He could be a trauma survivor, and trauma survivors sometimes do this.

54:22 Ben Stein Are you a trauma survivor?

54:24 Ben Stein No.

54:25 Ben Stein Are you bipolar?

54:26 Ben Stein No. I was dropped on the head of the child, though.

54:29 Drew You were dropped on the head. No, I wouldn't.

54:31 Ben Stein We all were.

54:33 Drew I don't know if I should do this. All right.

54:36 Ben Stein Thank you very much. Just kidding.

54:39 Drew Just kidding. The deal is, Matt, is you can go ahead and try to stop this if you want to. If you have consequences from it, if you have trouble functioning, if you hurt yourself physically, you said you already have a rash, and you still cannot stop in spite of attempts to do so, then that's something you may want to talk to somebody about and have a more formal evaluation.

54:56 Ben Stein Let me go back to something. Have you ever heard of Al Gore?

55:00 Drew Think of Al Gore every time you want to masturbate.

55:02 Ben Stein Think of Al Gore every time you're thinking of masturbating. Think of Al Gore and see how that works.

55:08 Drew This is a... You like the girl calls. This is Brad I was going to put up, but here's...

55:11 Ben Stein Well, if you think Brad is a girl's name, we're in a lot of trouble.

55:15 Drew This is Tiffany19. You ever watch that show Laguna Beach, Ben?

55:18 Ben Stein On MTV?

55:19 Ben Stein Yeah, I do.

55:20 Drew Oh, Tiffany, you do? Tiffany is from Laguna Beach. So, here you go, Tiffany.

55:24 Ben Stein Oh, very good, Tiffany.

55:25 Ben Stein Hi. Okay, I have a question. Me and my boyfriend have been going out for about four months, and he always asks me to perform oral sex on him, but for some reason, I get... I don't know if it's I get scared. It's just like, I won't do it. And he, like, wants me to.

55:43 Ben Stein I bet I know why you won't do it.

55:45 Ben Stein Why?

55:46 Ben Stein Because you're afraid you won't do it right and he'll yell at you.

55:50 Ben Stein Well that has something to do with it, but it's like I've done it before.

55:55 Ben Stein Did you do it right? Did you do it right?

55:58 Ben Stein Well I was told I was good.

56:00 Ben Stein Well then, what are you worried? What do you think is going to happen to you?

56:04 Ben Stein I don't know.

56:07 Ben Stein What do you think that he's going to not respect you in the morning?

56:11 Ben Stein No, it has nothing, it's not that. I don't know, I don't know, it's just, I have no idea.

56:16 Ben Stein So when he says to you, when he says to you, go down on me, you think, oh I'm scared I can't do it.

56:24 Ben Stein No, I'm just like, no, let's just have sex instead.

56:27 Drew Oh, oh, interesting, interesting, interesting. Can you give us, can you tell us anything else? I mean, is there anything that happened to you? Anything you want to share with us?

56:36 Ben Stein Were you abused as a child?

56:38 Ben Stein No, I wasn't abused as a child.

56:40 Drew I wasn't going that way so much as did somebody ever force you to do this? You didn't want to?

56:46 Ben Stein I was raped a year ago.

56:47 Drew You were raped a year ago?

56:49 Raped.

56:50 Drew Who did that?

56:52 Ben Stein My ex-boyfriend's best friend.

56:55 Ben Stein You're kidding, did you go to the police about it?

56:57 Ben Stein Yeah, and they, it was his second offense and they dropped the charges because alcohol was involved.

57:03 Ben Stein Well, wait a minute, oh, because you were drinking too?

57:05 Ben Stein Yeah, because I had to drink.

57:08 Ben Stein You had one drink and they dropped the charge?

57:10 Ben Stein I had one drink.

57:11 Ben Stein That sounds like very questionable behavior by the police, to tell you the truth.

57:15 Drew Violent counsel, would you have taken that case?

57:20 Ben Stein I would take the case, as a lawyer, I would take the case and sue the police who would not pursue the case. I think that's a gross abuse of their duty. I'm shocked at that. Could you go into the details?

57:34 Ben Stein Yeah, the DA said that they couldn't do it because his lawyer would tear me apart. I've already went through so much and they didn't want to put me through anymore.

57:45 Ben Stein What else have you gone through? I mean, because of the rape?

57:50 Ben Stein I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.

57:52 Ben Stein I said, when he said you've been through so much, were there other rapes?

57:57 Ben Stein No, that was the only one. But what happened was he was like the all-star water polo team guy. This was in high school and he, you know, I was the slut, I was the whore and I'm trying to ruin his career. Wow.

58:11 Ben Stein That sounds like one of the worst miscarriages of justice I've ever heard of.

58:15 Drew That sounds also like a bad episode from a sitcom, a TV drama.

58:20 Ben Stein Yeah, that's really shocking. Did you consider filing a civil case against him?

58:25 Ben Stein My mom talked about it, but I just didn't want to go through with it. I just wanted to move on.

58:31 Ben Stein So you're not in school. So you were in high school with this kid?

58:34 Ben Stein Yeah, we went to the same high school, and my mom took me out and put me in a private school.

58:40 Ben Stein I just think this story really offends me very much. I think you were very badly mistreated. I'm very upset about it, to tell you the truth. I don't like it. I really don't like it. It sounds like you were really, really treated badly.

58:52 Drew Did this guy force you to have oral sex with him, the drape?

58:56 Ben Stein No, no.

58:57 Drew But does oral sex feel like you're being forced into it in the way you were forced into the rape? Is it reminiscent in some way?

59:07 Sometimes.

59:08 Ben Stein Maybe it has to do with not wanting to actually see the male body part that did the raping and see it up close and personal when you know that's the part that violated you and that's upsetting you.

59:23 Drew Or the mouth is sort of an outlet for aggression too and you kind of feel like you don't feel right. Well you might or whatever just as it feels incongruous you're feeling all these aggressive feelings.

59:35 Ben Stein You know I don't think you have to feel bad about it. I would just say to your boyfriend look I mean I'm doing you and what...

59:44 Drew That's good enough.

59:45 Ben Stein I'm doing you and that's good enough. Let's just take it slow and easy and we'll work it out and we'll try to explore what the problem is and we'll get through it. But please try to be patient with me. I've had a lot of brutal things happen to me.

1:00:01 Drew Does he know that? Does he know those things happen to him?

1:00:05 Ben Stein Yeah, he knows. He knows that because I've been through a lot in the past two years because I have an addiction.

1:00:11 Ben Stein What's your addiction?

1:00:12 Ben Stein Masked Coke and heroin.

1:00:14 Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:00:17 Ben Stein No, but I've been clean for almost 10 months.

1:00:19 Drew Okay, are you in the program? Yeah.

1:00:21 Ben Stein Yes, I am.

1:00:22 Drew Okay, you need to go, that is paramount. Nothing else matters, okay? All, everything else we've been talking about pales by comparison with your heroin addiction.

1:00:29 Ben Stein I must, must, must know, do you mean to tell me that in Laguna Beach, one of the more affluent communities in California, kids are using meth?

1:00:40 Ben Stein Oh yeah.

1:00:41 Drew Oh, Ben, are you kidding?

1:00:42 Caller We have something else to do.

1:00:44 Drew I treat that.

1:00:45 Ben Stein There's nothing else to do. Well, you seem to be having sex. That's something else to do.

1:00:49 Drew I'm not going to name institutions, but I consult at the institutions in and around Los Angeles area, and they have, at the highest level institutions, huge problems of methamphetamine.

1:00:59 Ben Stein That stuns me. I am really, really shocked at that. Well, I would like to say that if you go into the 12-step program in a wholehearted, enthusiastic way, and really, really, really turn your will and your life over to God, and really, really do ask him to find the answers for you in your heart, you will get to the point where either you're comfortable doing it, or you're comfortable not doing it, and you'll just be comfortable, period.

1:01:22 Drew And that'll be that, yes.

1:01:23 Ben Stein You'll be comfortable, period.

1:01:25 Drew Tiffany, please just talk to your sponsor every day, go to meetings every day, and focus on that, okay?

1:01:29 Ben Stein And don't get high, go to lots of meetings, and don't get high between meetings.

1:01:33 Drew Now the way you said that, Ben, it leads me to conclude that you know lots of recovering people, because you've seen people go from caught in their disease to how comfortable they become.

1:01:41 Ben Stein I'm a recovering person myself.

1:01:43 Drew Oh, well there you go. So, but it's a different feeling in recovery.

1:01:48 Ben Stein The feeling of being in the program is the best feeling there is. It's an unbelievably great feeling.

1:01:56 Drew Okay, let's see. I have an interesting question. If sex addiction equals abuse, then what about people who don't have sex? All right, do you want? Yeah, I'm going to take that.

1:02:03 Ben Stein Yeah, it's too complicated. That sounds like some French existentialist question.

1:02:08 Drew We're going to talk to Sartre tonight. Brad, 15.

1:02:12 Ben Stein Why do we keep going to these boys?

1:02:14 Drew Well, because we've got to have some male. All right, we'll have one so far, Ben.

1:02:18 Ben Stein Okay.

1:02:19 Drew All right. Brad.

1:02:20 Ben Stein Yeah. Yeah. Sorry if I start out nervous as hell here.

1:02:25 Ben Stein Don't be nervous. We're your friends.

1:02:27 Drew Even though Ben doesn't want to talk to you.

1:02:28 Ben Stein No, I do want to talk to him. I do want to talk to him. Go ahead, Brad. We're listening very intently.

1:02:34 Ben Stein All right. My girlfriend's parents, which they're her guardians because it's her aunt and her uncle, are literally, they do not want me near her for any reason. They forced her to break up with me.

1:02:48 Drew How old is she?

1:02:49 Ben Stein She is 15 as of like, I believe, 13 days ago.

1:02:54 Drew All right.

1:02:55 Ben Stein What happened?

1:02:57 Ben Stein Why don't they like you, Brad?

1:02:59 Ben Stein Well, I made a very foolish decision. I went to her house, like, because my parents were out in Laughlin and, you know, parents are gone. I'm going to do what I want. So I leave the house and I go to her house instead. And her parents don't know anything about it. So I'm with her. We go to her bedroom. Nothing happened. We just like we're sitting there in the bed. I was hugging her because I'm that kind of person. We're watching TV. Her aunt walks in, kind of glares at me. So we have to go to the living room. Basically, I made a really bad impression at first. And then my parents came home that day and I was still there. And they called me up and yelled at me. And I turned my phone off because I was upset with them.

1:03:41 Ben Stein My son does that all the time.

1:03:43 Drew Would you leave your son alone, Ben?

1:03:46 Ben Stein My son is a very, very good boy. So I'm just pointing out that the fact that someone does that doesn't make him a bad boy. My son's a good boy and he does that.

1:03:52 Drew How old is your son?

1:03:53 Ben Stein 18.

1:03:54 Drew 18.

1:03:55 Ben Stein Okay, go ahead.

1:03:57 Ben Stein My parents actually somehow found where I was, picked me up and took me home, which since I disrespected Allora's guardians, which that's her name, Allora, by...

1:04:11 Ben Stein Is that her first name?

1:04:13 Ben Stein Yeah, Allora is her first name. I defied her, my parents in their house, it's a major show of disrespect, which I understand. And then the very next day, me and Allora decided to start dating and she came to my house just because like she didn't want to go home yet. So she came to my house, we talked about it and we kind of got all the details worked out because like we knew that her parents were not going to be happy with me.

1:04:40 Drew Got the picture. We now get to the point.

1:04:42 Ben Stein Did you have sex with her?

1:04:43 Ben Stein No, I did not.

1:04:45 Ben Stein So what happened? Have you ever had sex with her?

1:04:48 Drew That's a yes.

1:04:49 Ben Stein No.

1:04:50 Ben Stein Well, it sounds to me like you're behaving very respectfully. I don't get it. What's the problem?

1:04:55 Ben Stein I don't get it either. But what I need to know is how would I regain any small amount of trust with her parents? Because at this point, they want to move her to a different school to get her away from me. Wow.

1:05:07 Ben Stein I would write them a letter and I would say, Dear Mr. and Mrs. Jones or whatever their name is, I know I made a bad impression on you. I'm terribly, terribly sorry. It means more than anything else in my life right now to make that impression better. Please tell me anything I can do. Whatever it is, I will try to do it if it's within my power. And I totally apologize for whatever I've done in the past. And please be in touch with me. I want to be respectful to you. I do respect you. And I would like to get that across to you.

1:05:40 Drew I hope you're recording this. You grovel like that. But one question I have, in addition to apologizing like that, is there anything we should know about you that they're reacting to? Do you have tats? Do you have long hair? Do you present yourself in a way that makes them frightened? Do you have a reputation in town? What's going on?

1:05:55 Ben Stein Well, I do have a reputation, but it's not really that bad of one.

1:06:00 Ben Stein What's the reputation for?

1:06:02 Ben Stein Well, I have anger issues sometimes.

1:06:04 Ben Stein Have you ever been in a lot of fights?

1:06:07 Ben Stein Yeah, I've been in a lot of fights, but I haven't been in a fight in three years. No, never in jail.

1:06:13 Ben Stein You haven't been in a fight since you were 12?

1:06:16 Ben Stein Yeah.

1:06:17 Ben Stein Well, I don't think they can hold that against you if you were 12 years old.

1:06:21 Ben Stein I've been trying to stay out of fights. I nearly got one recently, but stupid pressure.

1:06:28 Ben Stein Where do you live?

1:06:30 Ben Stein So I had long hair and it was kind of like covered my eyes and whatnot.

1:06:34 Drew All right. So clean up your act, Brad.

1:06:36 Ben Stein Yeah, that's a great...

1:06:37 Drew He's a punk. He said he's a punk.

1:06:38 Ben Stein You know, Dr. Drew is making a very good point, Brad. I think if you actually made yourself look better, changed your appearance so that you started looking like an Ivy Leaguer and looking like a straight shooter, then I bet they'd start respecting your authority.

1:06:54 Drew Walk the walk a little bit. And then also I hope you record everything Ben said because that will get through to them. Ben Stein in here tonight. The phone number is 1-800-LOVE191. We're going to talk to somebody after the break who wants to thank Ben for bringing up University of California Santa Cruz. So we will talk to them. We'll talk to them. In the meantime, I want everyone to run to Amazon and order either or all of How to Ruin Your Sex Life, How to Ruin Your Love Life.

1:07:18 Ben Stein I don't know anything about sex life. How to Ruin Your Love Life.

1:07:21 Drew Your love life, your life, and your financial life.

1:07:23 Ben Stein Right.

1:07:24 Drew And I love the idea of that being a little trilogy that you can buy from people.

1:07:28 Ben Stein Dr. Drew, praise from Caesar is praise indeed.

1:07:32 Drew God bless you. This is 1-800-LOVE191 and we'll return with Ben Stein. That's right. It's Loveline, 1-800-LOVE191. Ben Stein in studio. We're hawking books tonight. How to Ruin Your Life, Ruin Your Love Life, Ruin Your Financial Life. Get that trilogy. Modern Day Hobbit, I tell you.

1:07:48 Ben Stein Yes, better.

1:07:50 Drew Better. Hey, you know, people don't know or may not remember that I was on your show, Turn Ben Stein On.

1:07:57 Ben Stein Yes, I remember you doing very good. I have a photo of you in my study.

1:08:01 Drew Oh, no kidding. And we still have a tape of singing on your show. Here it is. Remember this?

1:08:12 Ben Stein Oh, yes, yes. I had forgotten that you're an operatic singer.

1:08:20 Drew That's good, you did sing. It was the only time I've ever sung publicly, at least on the media.

1:08:25 Ben Stein You did fabulously well. I'm very impressed, Dr. Drew.

1:08:28 Drew You gave me that great pianist. It worked out. I think that was awesome. You did great. All right, enough of that. Enough. Okay, enough. Dr. Drew in the hissy. Thank you. Here's somebody who says we gave horrible advice. You want to take that one?

1:08:44 Ben Stein Oh my gosh.

1:08:46 Drew Well, let's first talk to Ben, Carly rather, who's a junior at University of California Santa Cruz. Carly?

1:08:52 I'm a junior, actually.

1:08:54 Drew What did I say?

1:08:55 Sophomore. It's okay, then.

1:08:57 Ben Stein I think you said a junior. What college are you?

1:08:59 I love you both. You're both pimp. Anyways, I was at Kresge back in the day.

1:09:04 Ben Stein I know Kresge very well.

1:09:05 Yeah, I actually got kicked out.

1:09:08 Ben Stein Why? Was it for the chronic?

1:09:10 It was just a bunch too much partying.

1:09:11 They got really strict at Santa Cruz.

1:09:13 Drew You're kidding. They have a huge heroin problem at Santa Cruz.

1:09:18 Ben Stein You're kidding.

1:09:19 No, I'm not in housing any longer.

1:09:20 Drew I treated 30 heroin addicts from Santa Cruz. You're kidding.

1:09:24 Ben Stein Let me tell you what it was like when I... I used to be a teacher at UC Santa Cruz. Did you know that? And I was in Porter. It was then called College Five. We used to have every Friday night the slip and slides. Do you know about the slip and slides?

1:09:37 No, what's that?

1:09:38 Ben Stein Well, you know, the dorms there have long, narrow halls and a guy named Larry Wilson would take these big, enormous sheets of plastic and make little river beds in the halls and then he would fill them with warm water and mineral oil and then we would all get naked and slip and slide around in them. And then some kids would drop acid and go down to the mud baths down near Big Sur. What?

1:10:07 The cave?

1:10:09 Ben Stein No, down near, I think they were called the mud baths. I don't know if they're there anymore. Down near Big Sur and watch the sunrise while tripping their brains out.

1:10:18 Drew Literally.

1:10:18 Caller Interesting.

1:10:20 Ben Stein Yeah, that's the way it was there. In those days, when I was there, there was so much reefer being smoked that the dorm would be like in a constant haze of reefer smoke. And I was constantly going from room to room telling people to stop smoking the joint. And they would put it out. And then as soon as I left, they'd light it up again. I mean, it was just incredible. Everybody there was high all of the time.

1:10:43 Caller Wow, that's weird.

1:10:45 Ben Stein I know.

1:10:45 Caller Actually, that just really sparked what I was going to ask you is that I know that you, well, what I've heard is that you're conservative.

1:10:53 Ben Stein Very. Except where drugs and sex are considered.

1:10:59 Caller But how did you manage to go to Santa Cruz?

1:11:01 Ben Stein I didn't go. I was a teacher there, but I was the only Republican there. I was there during the 1972 election, which you don't even dimly remember. And there were 1497 votes cast for McGovern and three for Nixon. One was me, one was my girlfriend, and one was a Vietnam vet. And after a while, they started persecuting me so much for being a Republican that I left and went back to Washington. Wow. But I do love it. I was just there. I was just there less than 10 days ago. I drove up to Porter, walked across the footbridge over to the team in science buildings, walked down the path to McHenry Library, walked up to the art buildings, walked through the drama buildings, walked back to Porter.

1:11:46 Ben Stein Awesome.

1:11:46 Ben Stein At midnight, at midnight, while the full moon streamed down, I had a great time. It was one of the happiest nights of my life.

1:11:52 Ben Stein Whoa.

1:11:54 Ben Stein Oh my God.

1:11:55 Ben Stein All right. Do you have a sex or drug question to ask?

1:11:59 Drew Sorry. Any questions, Carly?

1:12:01 Ben Stein You have a sex or drug question?

1:12:03 Caller No, no, no, no questions.

1:12:05 Ben Stein All right. Well, thank you, Carly. You know what's the coolest place in Santa Cruz? It is besides the University of Ome, which is an incredibly good Chinese restaurant.

1:12:12 Where is it?

1:12:14 Ben Stein It's on Bay Street, just northwest of the intersection of Mission and Bay.

1:12:20 Caller Okay. I'll check it out for sure.

1:12:22 Ben Stein Okay. Good. Have fun. Bye-bye.

1:12:24 Drew And this now is... Here's Shannon, who has issues with some of the advice we gave. Shannon, 23. Good. What's up?

1:12:31 Caller Hey. Yeah. The little kid that... Oh, he was sad with his dad or mom or girlfriend's parents or whatever it was.

1:12:40 Drew Yes, yes. Yeah.

1:12:40 Caller And you told him to cut his hair, become Ivy League and whatever. What do you think? The girl liked him for being all punky and he had anger issues and he was all cute and whatever. Now, when he changes and she leaves him for changing into an Ivy League guy, he's going to go crazy and...

1:13:00 Ben Stein Well, no, because he'll still be psycho inside.

1:13:03 Caller Oh, he will. Totally.

1:13:04 Ben Stein So she'll still like him. I mean, she'll know that he's still psycho inside. And she'll still like him.

1:13:09 Caller How old is he? 15?

1:13:11 Ben Stein Well, he's 15 too. I mean, he asked us a question, Shannon. How could he improve his appeal to our parents? We answered the question. The answer clearly is not to remain as he is, because the parents detest him as he is. So that's not an option. The only option is to change.

1:13:29 Caller It's not going to happen at 15. I liked your idea of a letter. I think that was really sweet. He changes as a parent. She's just like, oh my God, all of a sudden, what is he now? He's an Ivy League little guy and it's no longer fun for her. She's 15, it's all the rebels.

1:13:43 Ben Stein She hasn't even done him. I mean, for gosh sakes, she hardly knows him. She can still learn to like him even if he's... Look, there's many, many, many mass killers look to Ivy League, so she can still like him.

1:13:55 Caller Very true. I think he's just created one.

1:13:58 Drew Do you still, Shannon, have such a...

1:14:00 Caller John Wayne Casey.

1:14:02 Drew You still have a really mature view of man yourself?

1:14:05 Caller Oh, sure, sure. I think I do.

1:14:07 Ben Stein How old are you, Shannon?

1:14:08 Ben Stein Twenty-three.

1:14:09 Ben Stein Where do you live?

1:14:10 Caller Point Richmond.

1:14:11 Ben Stein Where's that?

1:14:13 Caller It's in Northern California.

1:14:15 Oh.

1:14:18 Ben Stein There's a lot of calls from Northern California.

1:14:20 Caller Yeah, no, it's raining out here tonight. We have nothing else to do.

1:14:23 Drew Could be. It could be that.

1:14:24 Ben Stein Well, a lot of you seem to have sex when it's raining, so you could do that.

1:14:28 Caller Oh, you're thinking of sex now? You're in Southern California. You're thinking of politics?

1:14:33 Ben Stein We in Southern California think of everything.

1:14:37 Drew But, Shannon, I'm concerned about how you sort of perceive man and what way you think about man.

1:14:41 Ben Stein Yeah, you think that they have to be bad boys in order to like them. They don't have to be bad.

1:14:44 Caller No, I thought that this 15-year-old girl liked him because he was a bad boy.

1:14:50 Ben Stein I know, but he can still be a bad boy and look like a good boy, so that way he gets all the bases. He gets the parents to like him.

1:14:58 Drew And by the way, you have a grave misconception, Shannon, about what it means to be a bad boy. The perception, the misperception that young women have is that that's a man that's going to be powerful and protect you when, in fact, all that chaos and aggression gets turned on you. That's always the way it plays out. I'm sure you know that if you've been in these relationships.

1:15:18 Caller No, I'm not attracted to bad boys. I just know that what kind of boys are you attracted to? I'm attracted to girls.

1:15:26 Ben Stein You're from Northern California? This is really incredible.

1:15:29 That is really rare.

1:15:31 Drew Oh, my goodness. Wait a second.

1:15:32 Ben Stein You're attracted to girls and you're calling up to yell at us men, and you're in Northern California. Something really wacky is going on. I'm going to guess you're a Democrat. Am I right? Am I right about that? Or are you a big?

1:15:46 Caller You're probably a huge fan of George. I'm actually a little agnostic in the political arena.

1:15:49 Ben Stein Yeah, I bet you're a big fan of George Bush.

1:15:50 Caller I don't vote a straight ticket.

1:15:52 Ben Stein I bet you don't vote a straight ticket.

1:15:57 Drew Ben, do you want to give her a little talking to?

1:15:58 Ben Stein No, she's a Democrat. I can't help you.

1:16:00 Drew All right, fair enough. Let's go on then to Melissa, who's 27.

1:16:04 Ben Stein Hi.

1:16:05 Drew Hey, Melissa.

1:16:07 Ben Stein My question is, when I have sex, it doesn't do anything for me. I don't get off sexually. I mean, I don't even want to make any noise. I just want to lay there and get it over with. I want to know what I can do to try to maybe change that. I mean, it's like, I don't even have the thought really of even wanting to have sex. I just do it because, you know, I'm in a relationship and I know that he wants it, even though I don't really want it.

1:16:34 Ben Stein Were you, let me ask you a question. Were you abused as a child?

1:16:39 Ben Stein A lot of what I do remember as a child, cause I really like blocked it out, is everything bad. My mother was a meth addict.

1:16:50 Ben Stein Oh my God. And, well, small wonder you've learned to totally suppress your feelings. It must have been unbearable to have a methadone addict as your mother. I am very sorry. Melissa, is that your name? Yes. I am really sorry. That is a really, really tough, tough road to hoe. I am very, very sorry.

1:17:09 Ben Stein It's true. She's still on to this day and she's in her forties.

1:17:13 Ben Stein I am so sorry. Where do you live?

1:17:15 Ben Stein I live in Sacramento, California.

1:17:19 Ben Stein I am so sorry, Melissa. That is awful.

1:17:22 Drew She also must have been 17 when she had you too.

1:17:25 Ben Stein She was about, yeah, I think she had just maybe turned 18. I'm not really sure.

1:17:29 Ben Stein Was she married?

1:17:31 Ben Stein She was married to my father. He left when I was little. I guess he wasn't very nice to me anyways. He was always saying that me and my brother weren't his children.

1:17:42 Ben Stein Oh, Melissa, you have really been through the mill. I am very, very sorry. That is really, really bad stuff.

1:17:51 Ben Stein Yeah.

1:17:52 Drew And when you've been through stuff, it's awful. I'm glad that it's sort of offering you some empathy.

1:17:57 Ben Stein I'm very, very sorry. Do you belong to any kind of group or therapy program where you get support?

1:18:04 Ben Stein No. I've thought about going before, but I feel like a total nut job myself mentally.

1:18:11 Ben Stein We all do, Melissa.

1:18:13 Ben Stein I feel like if I talk about it to somebody, they might go, oh wow, she's really crazy.

1:18:18 Ben Stein I want to give you a suggestion. You qualify very richly to be a member of Al-Anon, which is an organization for people whose parents or other, someone close to them, doesn't have to be a parent, is an alcoholic or drug addict. And the amount of support you will get and the amount of comradeship and sharing of people who are telling you that they've been in the same place you're in will really bring tears to your eyes. And after you've been doing it for a while, you'll feel like you're part of a very, very big fellowship.

1:18:49 Drew And please get a sponsor there and work the steps so you can learn to be close and open with another person. And then with women, especially, intimacy is sort of, for many women, a necessary part of feeling sexual. And if you can't tolerate closeness, it's very hard to be sexual. On top of that, if you again can't regulate your emotions, one of the things that gets caught up or sort of disintegrated from your emotional system is your body. And so the body becomes disconnected. You can't feel things. You don't connect up with it. And it's very hard to feel sexual. And so it becomes very important that you do this.

1:19:21 Ben Stein May I ask you a question? I want to ask you a question. This is a serious suggestion, Melissa.

1:19:26 Ben Stein Okay.

1:19:27 Ben Stein Do you have a dog?

1:19:29 Ben Stein No.

1:19:30 Ben Stein I recommend... No, cat is a good idea. I think you should get a good sized dog, like a German short-haired pointer or a Dalmatian or a... And hug that dog a lot, sleep in bed with that dog like that. Stop that, stop that, stop that. Seriously, lying in bed, hugging the dog, and little by little, feelings of warmth and able to connect will come to you. I'm not kidding, I'm seriously not kidding.

1:20:02 Drew That's actually good advice.

1:20:04 Ben Stein I'm a bit of an obsessive compulsive when it comes to animals. I don't really like them anymore, cause every animal I had died of some sort of weird illness, and I get where I don't like the hair around. It's like I stress out, I have lint rollers everywhere. I don't like stains on my clothes. I mean, I went through a lot of stuff as a child, including being shoved under an oily car, cause my mother was like tripping out, thinking that people were after her and different things like that.

1:20:30 Ben Stein Oh God, Melissa, I am so sorry. I am really, really, really sorry. May I ask your occupation?

1:20:37 Ben Stein I'm a truck driver.

1:20:38 Drew Wow.

1:20:39 Ben Stein I am really sorry. You have really been through the mill and my heart goes out to you.

1:20:44 Ben Stein Thanks.

1:20:45 Drew Do something about it, Melissa, okay?

1:20:46 Ben Stein I will, thank you.

1:20:47 Drew You can. You can get better with this. It doesn't, you don't have to suffer with something.

1:20:50 Ben Stein Go to the 12 step meetings and then after a while you'll want a dog.

1:20:57 Drew Let's take a break about this part. We've got someone coming up who always hooks up with married men like that one, don't you, Ben? That's a good one. Addicted to porn, but that's a male. You won't like that, Ben. So, okay, we'll go to the girl that's hooking up with married guys. Alright, Ben Stein's in with us tonight. How to Ruin Your Life, How to Ruin Your Love Life, How to Ruin Your Financial Life and it says several others. What are your other books, your other titles?

1:21:18 Ben Stein Oh, there's so many. It's insane. If they go to Amazon.

1:21:21 Drew What do you want people to buy?

1:21:22 Ben Stein I don't care if they buy it or not. I really don't.

1:21:24 Drew Well, I've actually read your books and they're very funny and very rich and I do recommend them. So I hope people will, in fact.

1:21:31 Ben Stein I haven't read all three of them.

1:21:33 Drew I don't think I've read them. I haven't read How to Ruin Your Financial Life.

1:21:35 Ben Stein The one that people should get is called Ludes. It's about quailhood addiction and I think it's a pretty strong book about why people become drug addicts.

1:21:43 Drew Oh, interesting. All right. It's 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. It will be right back with Ben Stein. Ben Stein in the studio tonight. Win Ben Stein's Money, Turn Ben Stein On, and of course, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

1:21:57 Ben Stein Plus I do a commentary on Sunday mornings on CBS.

1:22:00 Drew Oh, no kidding. Now, tell me about that.

1:22:03 Ben Stein Well, I do that about every third week on CBS Sunday morning with Osgood and I love that show. Thank you. Yeah, I get a tremendous response for that. I also do a commentary on the stock market on Saturday mornings on Fox News.

1:22:18 Drew Excellent. There you go. I knew you were out there on TV somewhere.

1:22:20 Ben Stein Yes.

1:22:21 Drew We wouldn't be missing that opportunity.

1:22:23 Ben Stein Plus I've got 10 jillion commercials for Clear Eyes.

1:22:28 Drew And then you mentioned four other spokespersons.

1:22:31 Ben Stein Well, I have to pay my living. I mean, I earn my living.

1:22:35 Drew It's not like these are horrible products.

1:22:37 Ben Stein I don't want to be a charge on the state. Okay. Let's get a call from someone.

1:22:42 Drew Well, they're putting money up for me right now. I want to see if it's a girl. So I want to keep you happy tonight. And there's a young male we're going to talk to first.

1:22:50 Ben Stein Let's do it real quick with him.

1:22:51 Drew All right. Connor is 19. Hello? Hey, Connor. What's up?

1:22:56 Ben Stein What is it?

1:22:58 I was raped by my dad about six months ago.

1:23:01 Ben Stein You were what?

1:23:03 I was raped by my father.

1:23:05 Ben Stein Oh, my God. That's horrible.

1:23:07 Drew How did he pull that off with you being a full grown man, basically?

1:23:11 Well, he, he, he's in the circus in this vocal circus. And he has this persona, like a clown character he plays, that he calls Benny Stufi.

1:23:25 Drew Okay. This is some bogus. This is some bogus thing. You want me to let him finish it? Should we let him finish it or do you? No. Okay. That was too wild. All right. Now we got somebody named Jody, who is 21. Jody, what's up?

1:23:41 Caller Hi. I was on a dirt bike a couple weeks ago and I crashed and I got some really bad road rage or road rash and I was just wondering, is it normal to get like an infection, like a bunch of pimples coming out? I mean, is that a normal infection or is that something else completely?

1:24:05 Drew If there is infection, that needs to be treated, right? That means a staff or a strap has gotten in your skin.

1:24:09 Ben Stein You mean you're having this in your pelvic area?

1:24:12 Caller Actually, no. It's on my back, on my shoulder blade.

1:24:15 Ben Stein Why are you calling on Loveline's about a rash on your back?

1:24:19 Drew You have to have a doctor take a look at this. If your abrasion has become infected, that's a very serious thing. Very serious. Flesh-eating bacteria, that's how that gets going. So you need to go see somebody right now. I mean, like maybe tonight, you have fever, chills or anything like that. Well, hang on, a fever, chills, anything like that?

1:24:37 Caller No, I'm completely fine otherwise.

1:24:38 Drew You feel fine?

1:24:39 Caller It's not red around any of it at all either.

1:24:42 Ben Stein I think you better go to the doctor right away and have him give you lots of antibiotics.

1:24:46 Drew I agree. Unfortunately, one thing I've learned by doing this show is that people do not understand how to describe rashes. So red dots and all that. Where are these?

1:24:55 Caller It's actually on my back. Basically, it's like a bunch of scrapes and stuff. I was on a dry lake bed and I-

1:25:02 Drew I understand that you have abrasions on your back, but you called about something that's sort of an epiphenomenon, something that's around that.

1:25:08 Caller Well, it actually, it reminds me of exactly like fits, like pimples.

1:25:14 Ben Stein I don't see what this has to do with Lovelines with all due respect, with the greatest possible respect.

1:25:19 Drew It needs to be examined by someone immediately. A pustular reaction again, that's infection to prove it otherwise.

1:25:25 Ben Stein Let's go to the next call.

1:25:26 Drew How are you on the air? Who's this?

1:25:27 Aaron.

1:25:28 Drew Aaron, what's up?

1:25:30 Caller I had this girlfriend for a little while and when she would come over, I never get any sleep because we just do it all night.

1:25:39 Ben Stein Do the wild thing.

1:25:40 Caller Yeah, after about three or four days of her being here, though, the skin below the head of my penis was dry and scaling off.

1:25:52 Ben Stein That happens to me all the time. Just kidding.

1:25:57 Drew Your poor wife.

1:25:59 Ben Stein Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding.

1:26:02 Drew So what's your question?

1:26:04 Caller Well, I'm just wondering what that was because I pretty much, I'm not seeing her now, just it didn't work out, but I know she's been to the gynecologist. So I'm wondering, is that just from too frequent or?

1:26:15 Drew Yeah, it's probably basically a burn.

1:26:18 Caller How old are you?

1:26:19 Ben Stein How old are you? How old are you? My God, you have a lot of stamina. What's your job?

1:26:29 Drew You sound fifteen, by the way.

1:26:32 Caller Thanks. What's your job? I work with reptiles. I work for a herpetologist.

1:26:40 Drew Doing what?

1:26:42 Caller I clean them and feed them and just basically haul them around to schools and he runs a nitty-gritty program.

1:26:50 Drew It's Lemony Snicket right here. This is him.

1:26:52 Ben Stein This is amazing. How old is the girlfriend?

1:26:57 Caller She's thirty.

1:26:59 Ben Stein I don't know what... I don't see what the problem is here. I mean, you might have an infection. You should see a doctor.

1:27:06 Drew Yes, you need somebody to look at it.

1:27:07 Ben Stein I think you should be very, very grateful that you have such incredible sexual stamina.

1:27:13 Drew I guess maybe sounding and acting and living like a teenager, you keep the physiology going. Laura, eighteen.

1:27:20 Ben Stein Hello.

1:27:21 Drew Hey, Laura, what's up?

1:27:22 Ben Stein How are you?

1:27:23 Ben Stein I'm good. How are you?

1:27:25 Ben Stein Good.

1:27:25 Drew We're great.

1:27:27 Ben Stein I've recently been with a couple of guys, and all three have had the same problem, and that is that while we were doing stuff, be it sex or just fooling around with clothes on, they've lost their erection. And I can't help but think it's me. They've all told me that they're used to having sex with condoms, or to sex without condoms, and condoms are like preventing them from maintaining their erections.

1:27:58 Ben Stein I don't think they're lying. I will just tell you, since I'm older than Dr. Drew, I don't know how old are you, Dr. Drew?

1:28:04 Drew 47.

1:28:05 Ben Stein I'm 13 years older than, 14 years older than Dr. Drew, that it is a commonplace among men that condoms make them lose their erection, and I know that they're incredibly important for the prevention of sexual disease, but these guys are not lying when they're telling you that condoms take away their erection. This is not true for all men, but it is a commonplace, and I don't think they're lying to you.

1:28:30 Drew I actually tell those men, because there are those guys that have this effect, that they need to, first of all, practice putting condoms on, because sometimes just the fact of stopping the rhythm of the flow of sex is enough to cause a guy to lose erection. So you gotta practice putting them on quickly, but also masturbate with it on, so you get used to the feeling of it, and really start to understand what kind of stimulation needs in order to reach climax with a condom on, because it is something that guys need. As you know, they aren't gonna have sex with you unless they have a condom on, right?

1:28:58 Ben Stein Now, are they, is there something going on there? Are you like saying something to upset them, like get that condom on, you loser, or something like that?

1:29:07 Ben Stein Definitely not, definitely not.

1:29:09 Ben Stein Well, are you being nice and friendly to them while you're doing the wild thing?

1:29:13 Ben Stein Most definitely.

1:29:15 Ben Stein And then they suddenly say, I'm really sorry, but...

1:29:18 Ben Stein You know, it's even in two of the occasions, you know, sex has, you know, gotten underway, and then all of a sudden, you know, switch of position or something, and it's...

1:29:28 Ben Stein Well, you know, you shouldn't... I wouldn't switch positions. I think that's a mistake. Why did you feel you had to switch positions?

1:29:35 Drew I beg to differ. But anyway...

1:29:37 Ben Stein Maybe just to increase the pleasure for myself.

1:29:39 Ben Stein Well, see, that's where you're being selfish.

1:29:42 Ben Stein Oh, okay.

1:29:43 Drew Do you have orgasm with intercourse?

1:29:45 Ben Stein I'm sorry?

1:29:46 Drew Are you able to have orgasm with intercourse?

1:29:48 Ben Stein No, actually, I'm not. I kind of learn that from you guys. I deal with it, but certain positions do feel better than others.

1:29:54 Drew You're fat.

1:29:55 Ben Stein Well, why don't you... Why don't you try this? Why don't you not ask them to change positions? Just wait till they have reached their climax and then have them play with you till you come and then you'll be all set and they'll be all set.

1:30:12 Ben Stein Sounds like a plan. And I'm definitely going to suggest the masturbating thing. Thank you, guys.

1:30:17 Drew Yeah, I think that's a good idea for guys. Yeah, and practice putting them on drilling, drill putting the thing on. I mean, that's really what the guys need to do. And the whole business of it.

1:30:26 Ben Stein Have a buzzer go off three times like a fire drill.

1:30:30 Drew No, a fire.

1:30:31 Ben Stein Put on the bell.

1:30:32 Drew Fire bell.

1:30:33 Ben Stein Yeah.

1:30:33 Drew They have to jump down a pole and put the thing on and go back. No, I think it's just something that guys need to sort of not talk out of.

1:30:40 Ben Stein Dive, dive, dive, like that. A klaxon sound.

1:30:44 Drew But they got to actually practice this because it is such an important thing. And it's just to cop out on it and say, well, it's not for me.

1:30:50 Ben Stein Where do you live?

1:30:51 Drew It could cost them a lot. Me? Oh, Laura.

1:30:53 Ben Stein I know her.

1:30:56 Ben Stein Where do you live?

1:30:58 Ben Stein Hello?

1:30:58 Ben Stein Where do you live?

1:31:00 Ben Stein I'm in the San Fernando Valley.

1:31:02 Ben Stein Oh, OK. Fine, for sure, for sure.

1:31:05 Drew Yes, she doesn't know what that means, but I do.

1:31:07 Ben Stein All right.

1:31:08 Drew All right.

1:31:08 Ben Stein Thank you, Laura.

1:31:09 Drew All right, man, we got to take yet another break. Ben Stein with us tonight. The trilogy of How To Ruin Your Life, How To Ruin Your Love Life, How To Ruin Your Financial Life are the must haves for Christmas this year. So go to Amazon or Barnes and Noble. You can also check out more about Ben at www.benstein.com. Look for him on CBS, Sunday Morning, CBS Sunday Morning, and also on I was just on this past Sunday.

1:31:30 Ben Stein I won't be on for a couple of weeks now.

1:31:31 Drew All right, look for him on that show. That's a good show. And we'll be right back. Well, Ben, that about does it for Loveline. Thank you very much.

1:31:50 Ben Stein Oh, I don't want it to be- Well, why don't you come back?

1:31:53 Drew Let's bring you right back. I would love to have you back soon and maybe spend a few nights with us. It'd be fun.

1:31:57 Ben Stein I would love to do that.

1:31:59 Drew Excellent. So thank you so much for coming out at night.

1:32:01 Ben Stein Thank you, Dr. Drew.

1:32:02 Drew I hope Loveline listeners will all show him a little love and buy some of his books because they're well worth the investment both of time and money. They really are. They're really quite full of wisdom. And so I have to say good night at this point, Ben, and it's been good spending time with you.

1:32:17 Ben Stein It's been a pleasure.

1:32:18 Drew Thank you to you. And I appreciate that.

1:32:20 Ben Stein And good luck.

1:32:21 Drew And good night and stay well.

1:32:23 Ben Stein Did you smoke the Kronik? What did you smoke? The Kronik? Huh? Did he have a good stash?

1:32:31 Ben Stein This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed in this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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