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1:13 Voiceover This is Loveline.

1:17 Voiceover With Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

1:20 Drew Hey, everybody. It's Loveline. This is Dr. Drew. The literal millionaire is off for the night. He'll be back tomorrow. But in his place, we are delighted to have one of our favorite guests on Loveline, Busy Phillips. Yay. Busy, how are you?

1:32 Adam Wonderful. Thank you.

1:33 Drew This show is Love, Inc., which is about matchmaking.

1:37 Adam A group of matchmakers in New York City. Yeah. Whose love lives, whose own respective love lives are kind of a mess.

1:45 Drew Shocking.

1:45 Adam Shocking.

1:46 Drew And so tell us about your character.

1:49 Adam Well, I play Denise, who is sort of one of the best matchmakers in the business.

1:54 Drew Here's what your publicist says. An energetic, pragmatic young woman who is skilled at helping her clients find their seemingly unattainable soulmates.

2:02 Adam Right. Yeah.

2:02 Drew Yet struggles with her inability to find true love.

2:05 Right.

2:06 Drew Somebody wrote that.

2:07 Adam Somebody wrote that. I didn't write that. No, she's like the best in the biz. And yet her own love life is a complete disaster because she has this very clear idea of what makes a good match, which is compatible people with compatible interests, just being compatible. That's her idea.

2:25 Drew There's Thursday, September 22nd, 830 UPN, right?

2:28 Adam Right. Right after Everybody Hates Chris.

2:30 Drew Right.

2:31 Adam Which we're hoping that.

2:32 We're hoping it's huge.

2:34 Drew People remember Busy from more recently White Chicks and then Freaks and Geeks way back and then Dawson's Creek.

2:40 Adam Yes. Which you were on.

2:41 Drew Which we were on. That was fun.

2:42 Adam It was fun.

2:43 Drew And Busy was good enough to come out at one in the morning and come on the show. In the East, they film in North Carolina. And they'd start filming at six in the morning and Adam and I would have to go out every night and broadcast from one to three in the morning and Busy and Michelle and Oliver.

2:58 Adam Oliver, that's right.

2:59 Drew The three of you came out.

3:00 Adam After hitting a bar.

3:01 Drew After hitting a bar and then having to get up at six in the morning and broadcast again. That was good times. You guys had to live there for a while.

3:08 Adam I lived there for two years.

3:10 Drew It was crazy.

3:11 Adam It was intense. Adam hated it there.

3:14 Drew Oh yes. I'll never forget. He was mad at me.

3:17 Adam I know. Every time I've been on the show since that's all he wants to talk about is how awful Wilmington was.

3:24 Drew He didn't like getting up early. He's like working. Right.

3:26 Adam He didn't like the work.

3:27 Drew Unless he's getting paid an obscene amount of money. He got in the car one morning and goes, unless they pay me 50 grand, I'm never coming. I was like, what? Okay, your Royal Highness.

3:40 Adam He also had some problem with the food. He wanted better food on set.

3:43 Drew That was his big thing. That was very southern. He was upset that this one day, the guys all got together, all the Teamster guys and threw everything into a boiler.

3:53 Adam Right, the pot of fire. What is it?

3:57 Drew I don't know. It was hellacious. He got angry about that.

3:59 Adam Yeah. Well, and maybe rightfully so. I don't know.

4:02 Drew Anything else people could look for you on?

4:04 Adam No, just love Inc. I think it's really great. I came into it in the 11th hour because I was a recast. They had shot the pilot with somebody else and then they decided to change the direction of the character, as they say. And so I literally got the job, I think, the last week of July and I started shooting the series in August.

4:26 Drew Wow.

4:27 Adam The first week of August. It was awesome.

4:29 Drew Is it out here?

4:30 Adam Yeah.

4:30 Drew And do you, you know, do you have other films going on? Because you were such a hit in White Chicks. I imagine I just imagined that we'd see a lot more young film.

4:39 Adam Hmm. I would imagine that too, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I don't know. I mean, you know, film, films are hard to get, I feel like. And there are a lot of young, funny actresses out there. And I'm just not the first one that they call.

4:58 Drew After tonight, they will. All right. Let's take some calls, right?

5:02 Adam Yeah.

5:02 Drew OK, this is Lila 19. Hang on a second, Lila. Do you see this airplane land without us?

5:08 Adam Oh, my God. We were just talking about it on the way over here. My friend and I, it's like, can you imagine the three and a half hours waiting for the landing? Well, at least they're thinking you might die.

5:18 Drew They have satellite TV on JetBlue.

5:20 Adam I know.

5:20 Drew That's what I was thinking. I'm going to watch a cartoon or something. Just get your mind off it. Crazy.

5:25 Adam Or you could watch like the live coverage of your plane circling.

5:28 Drew I don't even think about that.

5:29 They're all watching.

5:30 Drew Seriously?

5:31 Yeah, they're all watching that.

5:32 Drew How do you know that?

5:33 They turn it off a half hour before they landed.

5:35 How do you know that?

5:36 Because Anderson Cooper told me on CNN.

5:38 Adam I love Anderson Cooper. I am obsessed with Anderson.

5:42 Drew He's on right now.

5:43 Adam Oh, Anderson, where are you? You know, he you know, he started on this thing called Channel One, which was this like in classroom educational program in my my high school that I went to was one of the high schools that had Channel One. And I was I have been obsessed with Anderson Cooper since since the get go.

5:59 He was a guest on the show.

6:01 Drew On this show?

6:01 Yeah, when he was he was the host of the the mole.

6:05 Adam Oh, right. I forgot about that. He's really worked his way up.

6:08 This show.

6:09 Adam Yeah.

6:09 And I'm like, hey, Anderson, I'm Anderson. And he didn't really seem to get it.

6:12 Adam Oh, hi, Anderson.

6:14 Drew Because I've done his show a bunch of times out in CNN in New York. I really like him. Yeah, he was definitely on the show.

6:20 Adam The best.

6:21 Drew All right, Lila, 19.

6:23 Okay.

6:24 Two quick questions real quick.

6:26 One, okay, the male G spot is around like the prostate, like the nerves around the prostate, right?

6:34 Drew Whatever.

6:37 Well, I learned that actually, this is Dr. Drew, right?

6:40 Drew Yeah.

6:41 I learned that on your show, so you should know.

6:45 But how do you like, how do you reach it out?

6:48 Like, how do you stimulate it?

6:50 Adam There's a toy. Is there? There is a toy I know about. I don't actually know about it. My friend has one and he says that he was experimenting with it by himself. Yeah. Trying to figure it out. And it didn't work for him at all. It's just really strange looking.

7:09 Drew I don't even want it. I don't care.

7:12 Adam Okay.

7:12 Drew I just, I just, Lila, where do you get the idea that this is an important thing to do?

7:18 I don't know.

7:18 It's just an idea.

7:20 I don't know. Just kind of something new.

7:22 Drew I would say that 95 out of 100 men that you try that on will swatch at you or leap across the road. You run away, never speak to you again, think there's something wrong with you. What are you doing? Where did you get the idea that this is something that guys like?

7:41 No, actually it was something that like my husband wanted me to ask actually. But because I mean, I don't know, I just have no idea how we would reach that.

7:51 Drew There is no... Forget this thing. This notion that they're being a male G-spot is total BS.

7:56 Adam You know what it is? It's like that men got upset that women have one.

8:00 Drew That's right. We want to have one too.

8:01 Adam You have to have one too.

8:02 Drew Right. And also I think some... And the other thing is women are always trying to make men much more complicated than they are. Men are so simple. It's this one thing. You do this one thing to it. Something happens. That's it. That's it. That's as good as it gets for the guy too. That's it. You start screwing around with other stuff. Adam and I have said this many, many times. Sex is like pizza for me, all right? Just pizza. Got a little pepperoni, a little cheese. But you start screwing around throwing too much crust and anchovy. You screw it up. You do.

8:31 Adam Yeah. You can't have more than four toppings on a pizza.

8:34 Drew There are some guys that do like some stimulation back there. Even of those, very few like something actually inserted. And the fact is, yes, there are nerves around the prostate that are uncomfortable for the most part. And very few guys...

8:49 That's the only way to get to it.

8:52 Drew To get to something that causes pain in most guys?

8:55 Yeah.

8:56 Drew They will not enjoy and will be angry with you for trying?

8:59 I don't think that he knew that.

9:02 Drew You may have one of the guys where your husband is sort of requesting it, so you may be one of the guys that sort of likes going down that street.

9:10 Adam I don't know.

9:11 Drew What do they call it, the Hershey Highway?

9:12 Adam Oh my God.

9:13 Drew Yeah.

9:14 No good.

9:15 Adam That's what I say.

9:16 Drew Have you ever had a guy that some guys...

9:19 No.

9:19 Adam I had one boyfriend where if I even, with my hands, ever even got near... The rear? Yes. It was over.

9:25 Drew It jumped.

9:27 Adam No desire.

9:29 Drew All right. Shea, 27.

9:31 Busy Philipps Hey, how's it going?

9:32 Drew Hey, we're good.

9:33 Hey, Adam's not there tonight, is he?

9:35 Drew Hey, we got Busy Philipps.

9:36 Adam No, it's me.

9:37 Drew Love, Inc. Thursday, September 22nd, 830 UPN. Got it? Write it down.

9:42 I wonder if it's the Adam Carolla thing, but I guess they'll have to skip.

9:45 Drew We can do it. Busy knows how to do it.

9:47 Adam I know how to do it. I've hung out with Adam enough.

9:49 Drew Go, go.

9:50 Busy Philipps Adam.

9:50 Drew Carolla. All right.

9:53 I had a question I want to ask you guys.

9:54 Busy Philipps I've been listening to you guys since I was like 14.

9:58 Drew Fabulous.

9:59 Busy Philipps But I heard recently, well, not too recently, but I heard a while ago, one of the, a girlfriend of my wife said that a few of the men that she was with, while they were excited, would not ejaculate, but would put out a fluid out of their penis.

10:15 Drew All right. That's pre-com.

10:17 Adam It was a mixture of urine and semen.

10:20 Drew They what?

10:21 Busy Philipps It was like a lot of it.

10:23 Drew Some guys have leaky gaskets. Some guys put out a bunch.

10:26 Oh, really?

10:27 Drew Yeah.

10:27 Is that a common thing or is that just a rare thing?

10:30 Drew That's pretty good. They have a lot, a lot is unusual, but to have a modest amount is enough to notice it. Sure. Some of it's a lubricant that's preparing the soil for the full burden of what's about to come.

10:44 Yuck.

10:45 Busy Philipps That was my question because I've always been a kind of a dry guy.

10:49 Drew Yeah. Some guys are like bone dry.

10:51 Boom.

10:53 Busy Philipps Yeah. That's me. That's the reason I was like, I didn't even believe it. Like they're like, oh, what are you talking about? Yeah. I should be doing this too.

10:58 Drew And I'm like, no, no, it's not. It's not a should with this one. It's just as a range of what's normal. Here is Wolf 20.

11:06 Yes, yes, I'm here.

11:07 Drew Yes, yes, we're here too. Busy Phillips.

11:09 Adam Hi.

11:10 Drew Loving.

11:10 Adam Hi, Wolf.

11:11 How's it going? Great.

11:13 Drew Go rent white chicks.

11:14 Adam Yeah.

11:14 You'll love it.

11:15 Drew It's awesome.

11:15 Adam It's hilarious.

11:17 I just love it.

11:18 I'm sure.

11:19 I got a question for you, Dr. Drew.

11:21 Yeah.

11:23 Basically, I'm kind of in a, in an interesting kind of love triangle thing, I guess. All right, here we go. Yeah. I have an ex-fiance and she's now married. And she's up in Washington. I'm in California. Her husband's in Arizona.

11:41 Adam Why is her husband in Arizona?

11:43 Because we were all, I guess, I can't say why we were all actually there, but they were all at the University of Arizona. Yeah, there you go.

11:52 Busy Philipps They're all students.

11:54 That'll work. And basically, he's still in school. Her husband, she moved up to Washington and I'm in California.

12:05 Drew Get to it, buddy. Here we go. Ex-girlfriend, a husband, and you?

12:11 Ex-fiance, actually.

12:12 Drew Ex-fiance, a husband, and both. She's in Washington, he's in Arizona, and you're in Los Angeles.

12:20 Yeah, and it gets you-

12:22 Drew Why are you still communicating with an ex-fiance?

12:25 Because we're like good friends now. Really good friends.

12:29 Drew Uh-oh.

12:31 Yeah, exactly. Oh, here's the deal.

12:35 Drew This one, this ex of yours is a bundle of chaos, right?

12:40 Oh, yeah.

12:41 Drew Oh, yes. I mean, to maintain this kind of a dance, it's bad times.

12:47 Yeah, yeah.

12:49 Drew But so what's the question?

12:50 I'm like head over heels still in love with.

12:52 Drew Of course you are. Of course.

12:54 Adam Oh, no.

12:55 Drew Let me paint the, let me fill in the gaps in this story. You're a nice guy. You're a good guy. You were really into her. She cheated. She's chaos. She can't handle a close relationship. She finds a bad guy who, by the way, can't even hang out with her after they're married. He goes back to Arizona. That's perfect for her because she doesn't like him. People are too close, but she can keep you dancing around to make herself feel good. So she got you on the line. What are we going to do about it?

13:20 I don't know. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

13:22 Drew Can I write an episode of Love, Ang?

13:24 I want to write some.

13:25 Drew Could I not?

13:25 Adam Yeah. Wolf, Wolf, listen to me. I'm a woman. No good will come of this. Here's what you got to do. Ready? Are you ready for this? I'm good. You need to stop communicating with her. You need to get your own life in Los Angeles. You need to meet some women. You need to maybe think about going to therapy.

13:43 Drew I'm going to say busy. Great advice.

13:46 Adam I love the therapy. I'm a real real strong believer in it. You know, we you just finished school not too long ago.

13:54 Yeah, we will call it school.

13:55 Adam OK, so listen, this is military. Maybe this will be your.

13:58 Oh, how the heck did you know that?

14:00 Adam Dr. Drew, this he's been doing this for a long time.

14:04 God, you know way more about this than I ever.

14:06 Adam OK, so military. Forget the therapy. But here's the thing.

14:09 Drew You know why? Let me just before you finish. You know, even in my practice, I do a lot with addicts and alcoholics. I have to figure out what's going on with them without them telling me.

14:18 Adam Right.

14:18 Drew Nine times out of 10, I have to like I have to like it freaks me out. What I have to like read into it. I have to read the damn mind. Yeah, I do with these guys, too.

14:27 Adam So well, if you need to cut off, cut off the communication with her and just start working on, you know, your heart's going to be maybe a little broken. You're in love with this girl and she does not want to be with you. Listen to me. She does not want to be with you.

14:41 Drew You need to write. She just wants you there.

14:43 Adam Yeah, she just wants to have you sort of be around.

14:46 Drew You need more excitement in your life, Wolf. Go join like seriously. You need more activity. You got too much time on your hands.

14:53 Yeah. Well, where do I go? What do I do?

14:55 Drew I just find you got to do something like find the Peace Corps or something. Iraq. Do you got it? You need you got way too much time on your hands. I can tell.

15:01 Adam Take a take a pottery class.

15:03 Drew No, no, no, no. Go become a merchant Marine. Okay, go somewhere. Get out of here. Seriously. Suzy 30.

15:13 Hello, Suzy. Hello. Yeah, there we are.

15:16 Drew Hey, Suzy. What's going on?

15:18 I have a question about ejaculation.

15:21 Drew You come to the right place. We have an expert.

15:23 Okay. How common is it?

15:27 Drew It's I've never read any data. You know what she's asking about?

15:30 Oh, yeah.

15:30 Drew Yeah.

15:31 Adam I've seen sex in the city.

15:33 Drew Oh, what happened there?

15:34 Adam The famous female ejaculation episode. It was like a full shot where a girl, it's like Samantha's first lesbian experience.

15:42 Drew Oh, right, right, right.

15:43 Adam And the woman gets it in the eye.

15:45 Nice.

15:45 Drew Good times.

15:46 Adam Really gross.

15:47 I haven't seen that one.

15:48 Drew It's more common than you might think. I've not seen any good data on it. It's something that the entire time I've been doing this show, I still find that people don't like talking about it. Women seem to feel embarrassed by it. They often keep it to themselves and feel there's something wrong with them. Only in the last year or two has there been a more common lingo about it and willingness to discuss it. Did you have that experience where you felt like there was something wrong with you and you kept it quiet? Yes.

16:18 Now I'm single again and I'm wondering if the next guy I'm with is going to think, oh my god, is this normal or gross?

16:29 Drew Hold on, hold on. Busy, what do you think? How do you think guys are going to react?

16:33 Adam I don't know. I don't think they should think it was gross.

16:37 Drew I think most guys initially are going to really like it.

16:40 Adam Yeah, because it means that they did their job.

16:42 Drew Right.

16:43 Adam It's like a really strong indicator.

16:45 Drew The more you make him feel like this just happened with him, the more he's going to like it.

16:51 Adam That's a great strategy.

16:54 Drew But then you're going to have to deal with the fact that it will lose its novelty with time.

16:59 Adam Then you get a towel.

17:00 Drew Then you figure something out. Yeah, you work something out. But you're concerned about being initially a problem. I think for the most part, guys are going to be impressed.

17:07 Adam Yeah, I agree.

17:09 Drew Yeah.

17:09 All right. Have most guys had somebody, I mean, like one out of 10 or-

17:15 Drew I think one out of 10 is a reasonable number, but most guys have not. One out of 10 is not most guys.

17:21 Right. Okay.

17:22 Drew Okay. But most guys now, I think have heard of this and probably you're seeking it, probably looking for it. God, I know guys too well. Jake, 19.

17:32 Hi.

17:32 Drew Hey, Jake, what's happening?

17:34 How are you doing?

17:35 Drew We're good.

17:36 Good. I got a question. I've tried everything. With me and my girlfriend, when we have sex intercourse, I go ahead and like-

17:48 Drew I think we got that.

17:49 That's the one. Yeah.

17:51 I like end up coming like within a minute, max five. And I mean, it sucks.

17:59 I'm sorry.

18:00 Adam I didn't mean to make that noise. That was terribly inappropriate. Have you used condoms? Have you tried condoms?

18:07 Yeah. I mean, maybe only twice we've gone without condoms. And even with condoms, you know, I tend to last like that five minutes.

18:16 Drew Well, Jake, there is a medication coming, so to speak.

18:19 Adam Of course there is.

18:20 Drew There's a medication that's going to be available for this.

18:24 Adam Wait, can I ask a question?

18:25 Drew Please.

18:26 Adam How long have you been having sex, Jake?

18:27 Drew Yeah, that's a good question.

18:29 I lost my virginity when I was 17.

18:33 Drew How long with this girl?

18:35 With this girl, the first time was maybe about three months ago.

18:40 Drew So this is kind of new. You got to kind of work it out with her. You might try pulling a bullet out of the chamber, as we say, beforehand, preparing yourself a little bit.

18:48 Well, that's the thing, like when last night we had sex and it was embarrassing because it was the first time she actually said, you come too quick. And I was like, oh, you know, shout to the ego.

19:00 Drew Now you got erectile dysfunction, too.

19:04 But then after that, I went home and, you know, I'm like, man, what's up, man?

19:08 And I like masturbated to see if like I'd be able to last long even then.

19:12 And even then I lasted not that long.

19:14 Drew And maybe a third time. Well, you got to kind of work it out is the point. And you got to try other things with her because she's somebody that women are different this way. She like the intercourse. That's what she wants. Or is she OK with oral sex, too?

19:26 Well, I think more so the intercourse because before we actually had the intercourse the other night, I was, you know, eating her out and she wanted.

19:36 Adam The worst expression.

19:39 Jake. Oh, Jake.

19:41 Sorry.

19:42 Continue.

19:46 And after that, you know, she wanted me to.

19:48 She's like, oh, you know, let's go ahead and do it.

19:50 Adam But just maybe it's maybe let me just offer this up. Maybe she said that because maybe she wasn't getting exactly what she needed from the oral part of the deal. So, you know, so maybe you could do some research or you should or or you could just open up the lines of communication with her. I know you're 19.

20:10 Caller It's kind of tough when you're 19.

20:11 Drew Sort of the her saying this was a little too difficult for me was actually a good thing. I mean, it gives you the little softening problem. But but ultimately it gets the dialogue going. You got to talk to what else you should do.

20:21 Adam Yeah, you should say to her like, I want to work it out. Let's work it out.

20:24 Drew I got to figure this out. I'll do the best I can. Get a can-do attitude. Come on, Jake, break it down. Here we go. We're going to go the other way. This is Julie, who is 21. Julie. Hello. Hi there. Hi. Hey, what's going on?

20:41 Caller Hi. I have a cold, as you can tell. Usually I masturbate every night and I am multi-orgasmic, so I usually get off in like two minutes, easy.

20:52 Drew Hold on a second, Julie. It's a particularly interesting night, busy. You attract quite an interesting...

20:59 Adam I've always sort of felt that and now I can see that it's actually true.

21:02 Drew It's a lovely show. Thursday, the 22nd of September at 30 UP. Anyway, Julie, go ahead. So you're multi-orgasmic.

21:07 Caller Yeah.

21:08 Drew You masturbate every night. You come quickly.

21:11 Caller Yeah.

21:11 Caller Yeah. It's a vibrator. And so I was taking NyQuil and so I went to go masturbate and it was taking like a really, really long time. And...

21:22 Adam And then you fell asleep?

21:23 Caller No, I didn't fall asleep.

21:24 Caller I took a really long time and I was wondering if it's because of the medicine.

21:28 Caller Like is it...

21:28 Drew Absolutely. Yes, it certainly can do that. It can go either way actually. Some women get a little easier that way. Sometimes it gets more difficult. Really? Yeah. That whole biology is very complex person to person, both men and women. And you have that unique multi-orgasmic version of the female, which is, you don't... That's made in the laboratory. That's the genetic thing. And so your biology is sensitive to various things. You found something here. There are probably things out there that will make it even easier for you. Maybe make it happen spontaneously.

21:58 Adam Caffeine?

22:00 Drew Oh, well, Busy's got it.

22:00 Caller I don't know.

22:01 Drew Busy... I don't know how you know, but I just guess.

22:03 Caller Try caffeine. The opposite of Nyquil.

22:06 Drew No, well, the Nyquil's got a stimulant in it.

22:08 Yeah, it did happen and then it kind of did it in slow motion. It was actually very interesting.

22:14 Well, the orgasm was slow motion.

22:16 Caller Yeah, when it actually did happen, it kind of spasmed in slow motion.

22:20 Drew Yeah, it was sort of a low, low and it was intense.

22:23 Caller Yeah, when it actually did happen.

22:25 Caller Yeah, because it kind of built up.

22:27 Drew Well, that's you're more like a normal person then.

22:30 Yeah, actually, yeah.

22:32 Drew All right. That's it. All right. That's it. All right, we're going to take a break here. Busy Phillips is our guest, my co-host filling in for Adam Corolla, who shows called Love, Ink, premieres Thursday, September 22nd.

22:42 Caller Tomorrow night.

22:44 Drew Tomorrow night. Or if you're listening in the east of the sort of Chicago and east, it's tonight.

22:49 Adam Oh, tonight.

22:50 Drew You missed it.

22:51 Adam No.

22:52 Drew Yeah, because they're going to be listening at 10 o'clock at night.

22:54 Adam Tomorrow. Wait, I'm confused.

22:57 Drew Let's figure this out. It's it's a lot of the country. Here's the show on a one day delay.

23:03 Adam Oh, yes.

23:04 Drew And it's still at 10 o'clock at night or 11 some places. And so they will have missed it.

23:08 Caller But the rest of you get it next week.

23:10 Adam You set your Tivo's.

23:12 Drew It's a smash hysteria. Is it a comedy?

23:15 Adam Yeah, it's hilarious. It is so funny.

23:18 Drew Do you address the topics? Some of the topics we've been some of them.

23:21 Adam Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:21 Drew Female ejaculation.

23:23 Adam Not yet. Haven't covered that yet. Now we just moved to the 830 times.

23:26 Drew I either want to be a guest on the show or I want to write an episode.

23:29 Adam I think you should be a guest, Drew. I think we should start some sort of thing where every TV show I do, you are a guest star. I will have it written into my contract.

23:38 Drew That is awesome. I knew I loved you, Busy. All right, Busy Philipps is our guest. She's my co-host and we'll be back just after this.

23:49 Busy Philipps Want to dress up your sex life? Visit Durex.com.

23:53 Drew There's sex, and then there's Durex. The phone number here is 1-800- The literal millionaire, Mr. Adam Corolla. Often I'd Busy Philipps in his seat, thankfully. Thank you. A breath of fresh air. We're having fun. Really good calls. The new show is called Love, Inc. UPN 830, Thursday, September 22nd. Some of you may have missed it. TiVo. We can't. You already missed it. But next week.

24:24 Adam Next week.

24:25 Drew Thursdays at 830.

24:25 Adam Right after.

24:26 Drew Everyone hates Chris.

24:27 Adam Yes.

24:28 Drew All right. Anderson, Busy doesn't believe that I sing. So if you would yank that windbends or turn Ben Stein on. Don't play. Not now.

24:36 Caller I don't.

24:38 Drew Thank you for the next break. Thank you. All right. Let's go to calls. My goodness. Renee 23. Dr. Drew in the Hizzy. All right. Hey, Renee. How's it going?

24:51 Caller I'm doing good.

24:52 Drew What's up?

24:53 Caller About a year ago, I was put on birth control to regulate my period. After about six months, I've stopped taking it. My doctor was monitoring my blood pressure and it went up. And I just felt like I didn't need it anymore. And about two weeks, I started my period. About two weeks ago, I started my period again. And it hasn't stopped.

25:18 Drew It's very common to be there. There has to be a lot of irregularities in your period when you stop the pill. There can be excessive bleeding. There can be missed periods. There can be mid-cycle bleeding. So that does not trouble me at all.

25:28 Caller Okay. But the thing is, I'm obese. And it worries me a lot because before it, I think I was on my period for almost two months.

25:37 Drew Well, obesity causes excess levels of circulating estrogen. The adipose tissue, the fat tissue produces estrogen. And that suppresses your ovarian cycling. So that causes all that estrogen to build up the lining of the uterus. And when you do get on the pill, you bleed a lot when you come off it.

25:57 Caller Well, I was wondering, is there anything besides taking birth control that I can do to regulate it?

26:04 Drew I can't think of anything offhand. What's wrong with the birth control pill? Why? Why'd you stop that?

26:07 Caller My blood pressure had went up.

26:09 Drew And they think it was for sure the pill?

26:11 Caller Yeah. I was having it monitored and my doctor said it didn't go up too much.

26:19 Drew I would focus, well, yes, there are things you can do. You can lose weight, exercise, all that good stuff. See a dietician. You can think about bypass. There's gastric bypass surgeries or these phobia pouches and things that are really good. And if you really have health related problems where your obesity is starting to interfere with your safety, that's the time to consider things like that. This is a JR who's 30.

26:42 Busy Philipps Hello, you know, Busy Philipps, I've been a fan of yours ever since I first saw you, I think, on Get It On, Get Started on Undeclared.

26:50 Adam Yes.

26:50 Undeclared?

26:52 Busy Philipps Hold on, JR.,

26:53 Drew relax.

26:54 Adam He's very excited.

26:55 Drew He's very excited.

26:56 Adam I was on Freaks and Geeks first, but Undeclared was the next show that Judd Apatow did. And he sort of worked us all into it at some point.

27:04 Busy Philipps I was wondering, has anybody ever told you you look like a young Jenny McCarthy?

27:08 Adam Actually, it's weird. Yeah, I sort of I actually have gotten that before, which is strange, minus the boobs. I mean, let's just be honest. But the people, all the people that work on my show now love Inc. They just did her show that was on UPN, The Bad Girls Guide. It was mostly I don't it was only on for a little bit. But but like a lot of the crew is the same. So I have gotten that actually. Nice.

27:32 Busy Philipps Yeah, so I was wondering, I saw your FHM layout. I think, oh, Lord, it's for for I think it was just for the English market. But I was wondering if you'd consider posing for Playboy.

27:49 Adam No, no, no, I'm not making that noise. It's Anderson. He gets jealous. No, I wouldn't. It was really I didn't really like doing the the maxim that I did, honestly, why?

28:05 Drew Because you don't like how it turned out.

28:07 Adam No, it looks great. And it's really the really hot picture.

28:11 Oh, I know.

28:15 Drew Jared, what do you do for a living?

28:17 Busy Philipps I'm a teacher.

28:18 Adam Oh, that's nice.

28:20 Drew They're freaking me out.

28:21 Adam The children's minds.

28:24 Drew Why?

28:24 Busy Philipps Teachers can't like hot women.

28:26 Drew Oh, what do you teach? What do you teach? Oh my. No, no, you can't. Just it's what you do with it and about it that troubles us.

28:35 Adam You know, it's just it was just one of those things where somebody had told me that it would be really good for me to show me in a different light because I'd sort of played all of these like harsh characters to do one of these things and sort of goes against everything that I am. I mean, you know, I'm not that girl.

28:52 Drew Well, but but but you can.

28:54 Adam Yeah, I don't know. It just couldn't hurt the feminist in me.

28:59 Drew Couldn't they let you say anything about it?

29:01 Adam Now, were you quoted as you know, like in the article, I think that the article comes off pretty great. You know, he was trying to get me to reveal some sort of personal sexual fantasy type things, but they always want those quotes and they really didn't get them from me. I think I was smarter than most of the girls.

29:18 Drew Nicole 24, I have no doubt about that. Nicole?

29:22 Hi, yeah.

29:23 Drew Hey, what's up?

29:25 Not much. I am, I've been married for four years. I'm 24 years old. I'm sorry, four months. And I was a virgin when I got married and my husband and I have basically not been able to have sex.

29:42 Why?

29:43 Um, I guess it's me. I just kind of like freeze up and everything every time we're, you know, getting close and then he's not able to penetrate.

29:56 Drew So is it because you have pain when he tries to penetrate?

29:59 Well, there is pain, but it's not, I don't think that that's what.

30:03 Drew Or are you so clamped down that he actually physically can't?

30:06 Yeah, pretty much.

30:09 Drew Nicole, you're going to have to be real direct with me about this. So you have sort of spasm and anxiety and he can't sort of maneuver things, right?

30:17 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

30:18 Drew Okay. How many times have you tried?

30:21 Well, we've been married for four months, several times, and like 10, 15, 20, 30 times.

30:28 Drew Anything else we should know about you? Were you sexually abused growing up or physically abused?

30:32 Not that I know of. I mean, there's nothing that I can do.

30:36 Adam Was it a religious decision to hold off?

30:38 Yeah, it was.

30:40 Drew And are you still freaked out about sexuality?

30:43 Not, you know, I mean, I don't feel like I am, but like, for example, when I went to the gynecologist, I figured like maybe I could go and get the whole Capsimia or whatever examination done.

30:55 Drew Right.

30:55 That kind of, you know, helped me alleviate anxiety. And when they basically came to do it, they couldn't. And like the gynecologist tried to get in just with a finger or something. And like I got really emotional and just couldn't go on with the whole thing. Uh-oh.

31:14 Drew Is that what you do with your husband?

31:17 Not so much anymore. Like he's tried to take the pressure off of me. And, you know, we're, we are intimate and everything. Just, there's no actual intercourse basically.

31:29 Drew Then I just, my instinct is that something must have happened to you. Cause, cause.

31:33 Adam Yeah. Or like serious religious, like, you know, if you're oppressed in your household, like sexually oppressed, like.

31:40 Drew She was abused with the, all the, the threats of hell and damnation and stuff.

31:45 No, there's no threats of like, I mean, not in my family, at least. I don't get any sort of thing like that. And my parents are pretty, you know, I mean, I come from a little.

31:56 Adam Nicole, can I ask you a question? Your, your choice to wait for, to, to have sex when you were married, was that, will you just explain your choice really, you know, briefly? Like, was it, was it because you wanted it to be special or was it because you were afraid, you were afraid the whole time?

32:14 I was afraid. I mean, I've, I've been intimate with other guys, not, you know, not to the point of intercourse or anything, but, you know, I'm like oral sex and everything.

32:25 Drew All right, all right. So here's what you hear. And this relationship is good. You're happy with the marriage and stuff?

32:30 Caller Yeah, absolutely.

32:31 Drew All right. You're going to have to kind of work it in. You're going to have to give it a little time, work at it diligently, relax. Don't get so focused and freaked out about it being able to happen or not happen. Just kind of enjoy the intimacy. If you are unable to, there may be some anti-anxiety medication that could be available to a psychiatrist or even a regular primary doctor, just to kind of help you over the hump, so to speak.

32:53 Adam Is it unhealthy to suggest a glass of wine?

32:55 Drew Well, that's similar to what I, that's reasonable also. Just something, something, a way to relax about this. And I have a feeling that once you have gotten through the initial experience, you're going to be tendency, you're going to have tendency towards this vaginismus. And there are sort of graduated cylinders, all kinds of crazy interventions out there for you. I don't think you're going to need all that because you sound like you're kind of okay with things. You just, you're freaked out. You're having panic over this one thing. Once you get through that, I keep wanting to say over the hump, I think you're going to be okay. Wowie. Damon19, you bring them out busy.

33:26 Adam I know.

33:26 Drew Busy Philipps, UPN, Thursdays at 10 or 22nd, 830 after Everyone Hates Chris. Damon19.

33:32 Caller Yeah, hi guys.

33:34 Adam Hi.

33:35 Caller I was just wondering, I think that maybe I'm having a problem with sex. Not so much a problem, just I think that I'm overly addicted.

33:46 Drew To?

33:47 Caller To just intercourse. I, before my girlfriend, my first started dating, I used to masturbate constantly, like...

33:59 Drew There we go. That's what I was sort of going for. The average 19 year old doesn't have male, doesn't have access to addictive quantities of intercourse. Well, I'm saying, usually the seven year old male sex addict, 19 year old is masturbating a lot.

34:14 Caller Well, I don't know.

34:16 Caller Okay.

34:18 Caller I used to do it like seven, eight times a day.

34:23 Drew Right. Okay. So there was already evidence of at least compulsivity. What's the matter? Is it a little light? A little light. And were you sexually abused growing up?

34:33 Caller No.

34:33 Drew Are you an alcoholic or addict?

34:35 Caller No.

34:37 Drew Eight times a day in a bipolar disorder?

34:40 Caller No.

34:42 Drew Huh. Okay. Turning over all the cards. Give me what you think it is.

34:47 Caller I think, well, honestly, I don't know. I've been exposed to sex at a very early age.

34:53 Drew There you go. Well, that's the sexual trauma. Either seeing people have sex or looking at pornography, that kind of stuff, that kind of wires you up in a certain way that can predispose to compulsivity around sexuality. If you then also have an addictive trait or biology, then it can really get some rocket fuel behind it. So anyway, so if you want to do something about that, Damon, you're 19, it's a little young to head over to SA. It's going to be tough to you to process on that level. You could get a psychiatrist or therapist who has some experience with dealing with this. But ultimately, most people, when they treat these kinds of disorders, they use a 12-step process. And what happens here, this is actually really the beginning of your addiction. That what's coming next is some, you get into weirder stuff and need more levels of stimulation and start getting into dangerous things. There will be consequences down the line. And hopefully you'll do something to interrupt that process before, oh interesting, before it gets out of control. This is Martha, who's 29.

35:54 Adam Hello?

35:54 Drew Martha, can you get me, hang on a second, Martha, can you get me that textbook in there about the reconstructive surgery in there? Because she has a question about penis reconstructions. I'm going to show, I'm going to make Busy vomit.

36:04 Adam Oh no.

36:05 Drew Go ahead, Martha.

36:06 Okay, my son, he's seven and his penis looks like a doorbell basically. It's, I guess, more inside his body. And I was wondering, because when I asked the doctor, he basically says, cause he's overweight.

36:19 Drew Is he?

36:21 I'm sure he is, but he's not, he's about 130 pounds.

36:25 Drew How old is he?

36:26 Adam How old is he? He's seven.

36:28 Drew That seems huge.

36:29 Adam That's what I'm.

36:31 Caller No, he's not huge.

36:33 Drew He's seven years.

36:34 Adam How tall is he?

36:34 Drew Yeah.

36:35 I'm 29.

36:37 Adam No, no, no. How tall is he, Martha?

36:39 Oh, I don't know how tall he is.

36:43 Drew Oh, Martha, you're 29.

36:45 Caller Average height is a little bit taller than everybody else.

36:48 Drew Are you a Mormon?

36:50 Caller No.

36:51 Drew This is how they create a penis out of the forearm. Oh my. For people that want penises attached, women that want to become men.

36:58 Adam Transgendered. Have you seen that preview for the show, Transgendered USA or whatever?

37:03 Drew No, what is that?

37:04 Adam What is it called? It's going to be on Trio or Sundance Channel. It's about co-eds who are transgendered.

37:13 Drew It's a beautiful thing.

37:14 Adam In college.

37:15 Caller Would that be his only option?

37:16 Caller It won't come out?

37:18 Drew Well, first of all, I think seven-year-olds often have little nubs. And if you add what sounds like a huge young man, yeah, it's going to even be more so. And I'd be more concerned about his weight and getting him to lose weight, that sort of thing, than I would about what his penis size is before puberty. It's very difficult to tell what things are going to be after puberty. There are conditions where young males can have underdevelopment penis. Here's one right here. See this really busy?

37:48 Adam Oh my God.

37:49 Drew Yeah, this is in their show. Bad radio.

37:51 Adam Right, right, right.

37:52 Drew Anderson doesn't like it. And this is where they can reconstruct it and sort of extend things. See where they're doing, they're putting surgeries in there and stuff. And yeah, after puberty, if he still has got an issue, there are things that can be done. They can basically cut the tendon that attaches the penis to the pelvic bone and that kind of stretches things out. They actually hang weights from the penis to help stretch it out. People often ask us if that works, but I've only seen it work in connection with the operation. And they can add girth too. They basically peel those, actually scrubbed in on this surgery.

38:22 Adam Can I just ask, is when your kid is seven years old, is that a little too young to be worried about the size of his penis?

38:27 Drew The whole thing freaks me out with Martha not knowing how tall he is and the kid being huge, but her not thinking he's huge. My 13-year-old kids are 130 pounds. My kids are, you know what I mean? And then worrying about the doorbell penis is a little bit much. Give the kid a break. He's 13. Speaking of break, have a rest of the day. I'm going to make you listen to my singing during the break.

38:50 Adam Okay, I'm excited.

38:51 Drew I can prove to you that I can do that. I believe you. Busy Philipps is the co-host tonight. She's Denise Johnson, an energetic, pragmatic young woman.

38:57 Adam Pragmatic.

38:58 Drew What did I say?

38:58 Adam Pragmatic. I don't know what you said, but I just love that word.

39:02 Drew She struggles with her inability to find true love yet. You can check it out at www.upn.com. It's a UPN show called Love, Inc. It starts tomorrow night, September 22nd, 830 UPN. And we will be right back.

39:13 Caller Thank you for calling Loveline.

39:15 Caller Your call will be answered in the order it seems interesting.

39:33 It's amazing how many things you can do online these days.

39:46 Drew Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, Busy Philipps in the studio in place of Adam Corolla helping me out tonight. The new show is Love, Inc. Thursdays, 830 UPN.

40:00 Adam It's really funny.

40:01 Drew Hmm, interesting, a bunch of interesting calls. Benjamin, 28.

40:06 Busy Philipps Hey, Dr. Drew, thanks for taking my call.

40:08 Drew My pleasure.

40:09 Busy Philipps I had a question for you. I had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

40:13 Drew Oh, boy.

40:14 Busy Philipps I started testicular cancer about five years ago.

40:17 Drew Say that again. You had testicular cancer first?

40:20 Busy Philipps Yes.

40:22 Drew Or you had lymphoma in the testes?

40:24 Busy Philipps Well, it was testicular cancer that spread to my lymph nodes.

40:28 Drew What does that have to do with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma? That's a different disease.

40:32 Busy Philipps Is it? Well, that's what it was. It might be Hodgkin's lymphoma, but basically, they had cancer in my lymph nodes and my testicle.

40:40 Drew All right.

40:41 Busy Philipps And I had a pretty major operation and they took out my lymph nodes. And ever since then, I've been unable to ejaculate and expel cum from my body. And my question is, first off, like biologically, why, when they remove my lymph nodes, does that affect the cum expelling from my body?

41:02 Drew And secondly, Yes, kind of like you bring out this poetic nature in people.

41:08 Adam I know, it's really interesting.

41:11 Drew You mean the lymph nodes in your groin?

41:15 Busy Philipps Well, kind of in my stomach area and in my groin area.

41:19 Drew Well, it's probably nothing to do with the lymph nodes. They must have done something else. They may have clipped a nerve or something when they were in there operating. Because it's a big operation to clean out all those nodes.

41:29 Busy Philipps Yeah, it was an 8.5 pound tumor that they removed. It was the size of a football and I'm a pretty small guy.

41:35 Oh my gosh.

41:36 Busy Philipps Yeah.

41:37 Drew And what probably did you have chemo also?

41:40 Busy Philipps Yeah, yeah, I had chemo with leomycin and cisplatin and something else.

41:44 Drew All right. So that's all testicular cancer type of intervention. I mean, that's probably just the testicular cancer. Yeah. And that could screw up your sex drive and your ejaculatory function too. You probably have something called retrograde ejaculation.

41:58 Busy Philipps Yeah, it empties into my bladder, yeah.

42:00 Drew Right, which is just abnormality of sort of the valve basically.

42:03 Adam And then you pee it out later.

42:05 Drew That nice?

42:05 Adam There was a guy in college who swore that he could...

42:10 Drew Push in a certain spot.

42:10 Adam Yeah, push a certain spot and then redirect it and then pee it out later.

42:14 Drew He can do that. But that's not a birth control method if anybody's thinking about trying that.

42:18 Adam No, he used it so that he could master by anywhere and not have to...

42:22 Drew That's right. That's what these guys do.

42:24 Busy Philipps You don't need to.

42:25 Adam Wait, do you still have the same sensation, though?

42:27 Busy Philipps Yeah, yeah. The feeling's exactly the same in everything. It's just there's no mess involved.

42:33 Drew This is, you basically, you have Lance...

42:34 Adam Kinda great.

42:35 Drew You have Lance Armstrong's illness, basically.

42:37 Busy Philipps Yeah, yeah, basically. Is there, basically, I guess, and my second question was, my chances for having a kid are pretty much zero.

42:45 Drew Right. Usually they have you store some sperm beforehand. They didn't offer you that?

42:49 Busy Philipps No, they did. But I was, you know, 20 years old and, you know, working dead-end jobs and stuff at the time and couldn't really afford it. So...

42:58 Drew All right. Well, I'm just glad you're good. You're here, you know?

43:03 Busy Philipps Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm fortunate to be here and recovering and stuff.

43:06 Adam Yeah.

43:07 Busy Philipps Well, how do lymph nodes control that, though? I mean, what...

43:09 Drew No, stop thinking about it being related to your lymph nodes. It's not that the lymph nodes are gone. It's that the surgery had a side effect and or the chemo had a side effect of interfering with the nerves that control that function.

43:22 Adam It was the whole trauma of the whole thing.

43:24 Drew It's the whole... Yeah, it's not that the lymph nodes are gone. It's the surgery itself. Anna 25.

43:29 Caller Hi.

43:30 Caller Hey.

43:32 Caller I have a... I think it's a very interesting situation. I had some neighbors move in across like the little cul-de-sac in my apartment community last... Oh, I think it was in January, maybe late December. But like I became pretty good friends with the guy and his girlfriend has always been kind of like a... I don't know, just this hag, you know?

44:04 Drew How do you actually feel about her though? Is she a nice person? Is she delightful? Is that the kind of word you'd use or just hag?

44:12 Adam No, hag. She's a hag.

44:15 Caller I mean, I didn't have any designs on him or anything and I just kind of thought, oh well, I'm younger than her.

44:27 Adam Okay, so now you guys have slept together and what happened?

44:32 Caller No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We did make out a couple of months ago, but we didn't make out.

44:37 Caller Okay, all right.

44:38 Drew Anna, what is your question? What is your question?

44:41 Caller I found out on Monday that this girl is my half-sister by my father.

44:48 Drew And you're from Kentucky.

44:49 Caller Living right across. No, the funny thing is, is I was conceived and born in Tucson, Arizona.

44:58 Drew Oh, well that explains everything. And if we play that damn banjo music, there were ever a call.

45:03 Adam I know for real.

45:04 Drew Thank you.

45:10 Adam OK, so the hag, the hag, the hag is your half-sister. And now you feel guilty about making out with her boyfriend. No, no. In the cul-de-sac across the street.

45:21 Caller That is so distracting, Anderson. Thank you.

45:27 Drew All right, we just have a few seconds here. And we can we wrap this up or do we need to get into this in deeper detail?

45:31 Adam What's the what's the deal? What's the story?

45:34 Caller Well, the funny thing is, is my dad had, well, I say dad, but I mean, sperm dad.

45:41 Drew Yes, yes. So he left, he left the trail and she's part of the hag is part of the trail. Here's the deal, and just stay away from these people, for God sakes. You owe her nothing. You've probably never known her your whole life. As you said, dad's just been a sperm donor. Yes, you're related. Yes, please be respectful. Please stay out of the chaos.

46:00 Adam More importantly, stop making out with the neighbor across the cul-de-sac.

46:02 Drew For God sakes, for God sakes. Oh my God. All right, 1-800-LOVE-191. I'm disgusted with everybody tonight.

46:13 Busy, I don't know what it is.

46:14 Adam It's not me.

46:15 Drew I play, it's not me. We never get called. Well, maybe we do. 1-800-LOVE-191, Busy Phillips, UPN 830, Thursday night.

46:23 Adam Thursday night.

46:24 Drew Love, Inc. Love Line, 1-800-LOVE-191. I'm Dr. Drew Schaaf. She's Busy Phillips, not Adam Carolla.

47:07 Adam No.

47:08 Drew The show is on UPN 830 called Love, Inc. And we've just written a new episode during the break. She's going to come on some show that I'm broadcasting, and our clients are going to call in.

47:19 Adam Clarity will ensue.

47:20 Drew Antics ensue. It'll be awesome. All right, let's get Holland on the line of 16.

47:27 Caller Hi.

47:28 Drew Hey, what's going on?

47:29 Caller I'm actually 16.

47:31 Drew Right? 16.

47:32 Caller Yeah. Okay, here's the deal. I was abandoned by my biological father when I was born. So he's in hiding and stuff.

47:44 Adam In hiding?

47:45 Drew What does that mean? It sounds very cryptic.

47:47 Caller He owes me 16 years of child support, a lot of money.

47:52 Drew That kind of hiding. He's in Florida. Yeah. He's in Florida.

47:57 Caller Yeah, I heard all that stuff like you were guys talking about yesterday night. And when I was like five to six years old, I was molested by my babysitter's husband.

48:10 Drew Fantastic.

48:11 Caller Yeah, I know, huh? Yeah, wonderful. You know, and I think I was like molested for like two years by him. And I never found that out until like I was 13.

48:25 Drew How did you find it out?

48:26 Caller Well, because my sister was just joking around and she's like, have you ever been raped or molested? And I was like, no, what are you talking about? And then like later that night when I got home, I was really thinking about it. And I was like, oh, my God, my babysitter's husband molested me.

48:41 Drew Wow.

48:42 Adam Well, listen to her voice.

48:43 Drew The baby voice.

48:44 Adam It's the kid voice of the, yeah.

48:46 Caller I know, I saw one.

48:49 Drew What?

48:50 Caller Yeah, a little girl.

48:51 Drew Well, that's what happens oftentimes when women are sexually abused. They sort of, for whatever reason, we've noticed this on this show frequently is that their voice sounds like basically the age they were when the molestation began, as though some part of you arrest in terms of the development.

49:06 Caller Well, but see, another thing is like whatever, I'm addicted to having like intercourse with my boyfriend.

49:16 Drew Well, that's what tends to happen is that if you remember, we had a few calls ago, a guy was complaining that he'd masturbate eight times a day and he had sex all the time.

49:23 Caller I don't masturbate though.

49:24 Drew No, I understand. But my question always at first is, were you sexually abused because that's what leads to sexual compulsion and sexual addictions.

49:33 Adam Did you ever tell your parents or your mom, I mean, not your parents, your father's gone, but your mom? Did you talk to your mom about it?

49:39 Caller Yeah. I told her one time when we got in a fight and, you know, I just kind of came up and she like stopped the car because we were in the car. She like stopped the car. And she's like, what? Why didn't you ever tell me this? I was like, I just found out like three years ago, you know, and it's like, it's not something that like, I just want to go out and like tell her, you know, it's like in...

50:01 Drew Well, now she does know, was she going to help you do something about it?

50:04 Caller She didn't really do much at all. I mean, I...

50:07 Drew You need to see a therapist. You do need to see some, some mental health professional because...

50:10 Caller I've seen therapists before, you know?

50:13 Drew Yeah.

50:14 Caller But like this was before I found out that I was molested.

50:18 Drew All right, but it's, it's time to go back and see somebody on your terms because you want to, to help take care of yourself. All right, are you, are you, but now what?

50:27 Caller My mom now, she has become, she uses methamphetamines.

50:33 Drew Fabulous. Fantastic. Your mom was sexually abused too, right?

50:37 Caller My mom, I think so, by her uncle.

50:40 Drew There we go. The circle of life. Fantastic. Well, let's break it. You don't become an addict as well. You don't marry a sexually abusing a-hole that abandons your kids.

50:51 Caller I just got sober from using, like, Oh, well. Too late. I stopped for my boyfriend because he, like, doesn't like that. And I stopped.

50:59 Adam Honey. Where are you? Like, where?

51:03 Drew Huntington Beach.

51:04 Adam In Huntington Beach. OK, there are resources available in Huntington Beach. You need to go somewhere.

51:10 Caller Yeah, because of my mom, because I'm staying with my at my uncle's house, you know, and we have, like, no relation to him at all.

51:21 Adam He's like the weird guy who you call your uncle.

51:23 Drew Right, Uncle Larry.

51:24 Caller No, no, no, no. He's my aunt's ex-husband, you know, and he was an uncle. My mom and he had me to best friends when she was, like, 18. And out of the kindness of his heart, he took us in and he has a daughter named Alex and she uses two.

51:44 Drew I want to start screaming. I want to reach through the microphone here and just grab Holland and just start throttling her, not in a bad way, but just to shake some sense into her. Look, Holland, really, honey, you, the best thing that I could imagine you getting involved with, given the complexity of the problems here, is some sort of 12-step process. That's a tall order at 16. It's very hard to do that. Given that you're not gonna probably do it, why don't you find yourself some mental health professional, therapist, psychiatrist, that you feel comfortable with, who can kind of monitor you and keep you out of trouble as you get through this landmine we call adolescence. But ultimately, you are gonna need some kind of 12-step process to glue this all together. That, in my experience, has the highest probability of really helping you, given this complex and really serious situation. You're a severe trauma survivor, you were sexually abused, you were sexually compulsive, you're an addict. That all has real serious prognostic implications.

52:43 Adam I will say, your boyfriend, from what you mentioned, sounds like he's an okay kid since he wants you to stop using drugs, since you stopped using drugs for him, basically. And it sounds like you're calling because the sexual compulsion bothers him a little bit. So maybe he can help you in finding something.

53:00 Drew Here's a Busy Philipps call. Elizabeth 24.

53:03 Adam Hello? Yes.

53:07 Caller Hi, I'm calling my boyfriend and we regularly have intercourse while I'm on my period. And here recently, he's wanted to go down on me as well. And I just wanted to find out if there's any kind of health risks or problems with him doing that.

53:26 Adam I'm going to go ahead and say no.

53:28 Drew I would agree.

53:29 Adam I'm going to say that there's...

53:30 Drew Is the correct answer.

53:31 Adam Yeah.

53:32 Drew So it's fine.

53:33 Adam If he's into it.

53:34 Drew Whatever.

53:35 Adam He's one in a million.

53:36 Caller He's a bold man. He's a keeper.

53:38 Drew Bold as we go. Enjoy. Good times. You're monogamous?

53:46 Caller Yes.

53:46 Drew And you're healthy?

53:48 Caller Yes.

53:48 Drew Good times. All right?

53:49 Adam Enjoy it.

53:50 Drew Okay, great. Thank you. I want to keep, just for his sake, for his pleasure, keep something sort of in there that's absorptive, maybe. You know what I mean?

54:00 Adam A towel?

54:01 Drew No, I mean something, a tampon, maybe. Oh, a tampon?

54:04 Adam Interesting, interesting proposition. See, in my imagination of the scenario that she was describing, I thought it was just full on he was into it.

54:13 Drew Just, oh, he wants that. He wants the full action.

54:15 Adam Yeah.

54:16 Drew Now, I think guys are just sort of good to go whenever, and they're not going to let anything get in the way.

54:21 Adam But requesting, like wanting to give your girlfriend oral sex while she has her period is an intense order.

54:28 Drew Here's the deal. He just wants to give her, he just wants to be involved sexually with her whenever, whatever.

54:32 Adam That's sweet.

54:33 Drew And you could do him the favor of, now here's the problem with the tampon, and some women have trouble orgasming with some things inside at all. And so it could be, make it difficult for her, whatever. Good times. Adam 20.

54:45 Caller Hi, is that me? Okay.

54:47 Drew Yeah, it's you.

54:49 Caller Yeah, my girlfriend, she just, she was accepted as a suicide girl.

54:56 Drew What does that mean? What does that mean?

54:57 Adam A suicide girl are these girls that are online, right?

55:01 Caller Yeah.

55:01 Adam And they pose naked?

55:03 Caller Yeah.

55:03 Adam And they're like tattooed and pierced and like hot?

55:07 Caller Yeah. Well, my girlfriend is not tattooed or pierced, but she is hot.

55:12 Adam Well, that's great.

55:13 Caller I mean, she's, she's a good girl and she wants to do things in life. And I'm just, I'm very afraid that if she goes ahead and does this, it's going to, it's going to hurt her down the line.

55:26 Drew Yes. I agree.

55:26 Caller And I don't know. I mean, I, I'm debating whether I should threaten with breaking up with her to get her to...

55:35 Drew If she's hell bent on this, Adam, it means something.

55:38 Adam The ultimatums, yeah, but ultimatums generally don't work anyway, you know? She's, they just don't. And it'll just piss her off that you're trying to tell her what to do. That's the way she'll see it. I think that if you want to pose the, the, the thing to her as, you know, I care about you and your future, and I don't want you to, you know, be haunted by this, like I am haunted by the maxim that I posed for four years ago.

56:03 Drew Oh, was that long ago?

56:04 Adam Yeah, it was like a really long time ago.

56:06 Drew And how do you feel about it?

56:08 Adam I don't know.

56:08 Drew Regretful? Angry?

56:11 Adam Embarrassed?

56:12 Drew It's kind of cool. You like it.

56:13 Adam But, you know, but with what I do, it's okay. I'm not going to be a teacher, you know, like kids aren't going to bring those pictures in. I knew a girl, Adam, I was friends with a girl, and I don't know if she's going to be listening, but she was a high school teacher, and she also was accepted by the Suicide Girls.

56:30 Drew What is the Suicide Girl?

56:31 Adam It's like a big thing online, right?

56:34 Caller Right?

56:34 Adam It's like a big website thing. And now they have like an album.

56:37 Drew Are they just sort of pin up things?

56:39 Adam Yeah, they're like, and they do...

56:41 Caller The modern day pin up. That's what the girls are supposed to be, is the modern day pin up.

56:45 Adam But they're like, they're regular girls. I mean, they're not like, it's maybe like a version of Perfect 10, and a lot of times it's not completely naked, is it?

56:53 Caller No, sometimes it's not. It's meant to be artistic, and I just... You know?

57:00 Caller It's cute.

57:02 Adam But anyway, this girl that I was friends with, she was a high school teacher, and she almost posed for the Suicide Girls until, I think it was her boyfriend was like, are you kidding? You think those kids aren't gonna find it and bring it in?

57:12 Drew Right. And if she's hell bent on doing this and really won't listen to reason, that means something else. You know what I mean?

57:19 Busy Philipps Right.

57:20 Drew That suggests that we got a little chaos going here, and I don't know why or what's up with her.

57:23 Adam Or maybe she just thinks it would be cool to like have some sexy pictures of herself, which I think can be totally healthy, but...

57:30 Drew Just because you did a bit.

57:33 Busy Philipps I said, hey, I'll go do that, you know?

57:36 Adam You seem like a nice guy. Listen, Adam, a nice guy's finished last. No, you know what you should do? I think you should just say to her, just voice your concerns, and at the end of the day, she's going to do what she's going to do, and it'll either be a train wreck or it won't.

57:50 Caller You know what I mean?

57:51 Drew Right.

57:52 Adam But there's nothing wrong with telling her that you think she should do it twice.

57:56 Drew That is the bottom line. It's like any other co-dependency on the hell I'm missing.

57:59 Adam On the computer. Where'd they go? Hot girls. They're wearing red lipstick. I'm trying to describe it because it's bad radio. See, they're like indie rock girls and goth girls.

58:16 Drew They look young.

58:18 We also have a radio show that kind of competes with this one, so we should probably move on.

58:21 Adam Oh really? They do?

58:23 Yeah.

58:23 Drew Really?

58:24 Adam What do they talk about? Sex.

58:26 Caller Sex.

58:27 Drew That's retarded.

58:29 Adam I'm way more interesting than those girls.

58:31 They tell stories like, oh, when I was in junior high, this boy said, do you want to make out with me? And I'm like, okay. And then he wanted to have oral. And I'm like, okay.

58:39 Adam Are they real? Are they for real?

58:42 I don't know. They're on radio. So I don't even know if you know.

58:44 Adam So who knows?

58:45 I don't know.

58:46 Adam You don't know.

58:47 Drew Are you high, Anderson?

58:48 No. Okay.

58:49 Adam Where is Anderson?

58:50 Drew He's at the other studio. A little drunk. Okay. All right.

58:53 Adam Nice.

58:54 Drew That explains a lot. All right. Let's keep going here. Let's see. This is Jessica's 27.

59:01 Caller Hi.

59:02 Drew Hi there.

59:02 Caller Hi.

59:03 Caller Yeah. I'm in recovery and so is my husband. And he's 41 and I'm 27. And I got pregnant when we were still in our addiction. But when I, you know, when I tried, I got off the streets and we were, I mean, I was a street kid. I lived on the streets in Portland and in San Francisco. I mean, for a year, for at least like eight years.

59:28 Drew And so now one of the few that have survived and or made it off. Right.

59:35 Caller Yeah. So I always listen to your show and I'm just like, yeah, it's like totally stuff that always happens. But my question is about sex because me and my husband, I mean, I understand that he's a lot older than me. But I'm and I'm just wondering if it's that or if it's that because when we met, we were both using.

59:54 Drew And what's the question? I haven't heard the question yet.

59:57 Caller Well, I want to know why we don't have sex at all.

1:00:02 Adam We do.

1:00:03 Caller But it's like so very few and far between. It's like how often once every six months. We went like eight or nine months one time.

1:00:14 Adam Wait, did you have this baby?

1:00:15 Caller Yeah.

1:00:16 Adam So you have a child.

1:00:18 Caller Yeah, he's three and a half years old.

1:00:19 Adam And he's okay? He's good? Like no problems resulting from your drug use?

1:00:26 Caller Not from my drug use. He has what's called ASD, Autism Spectrum Disorder.

1:00:31 Drew Oh, that's autism.

1:00:34 Caller But everybody's told me that it has nothing to do with any kind of... Kids are just either born with it or not.

1:00:40 Adam They don't quite know what autism is caused by. Some people think that it's genetics and some people think that it's caused by inoculations or a combination.

1:00:48 Caller It's actually a neurological thing.

1:00:51 Caller But it's...

1:00:53 Caller I don't know.

1:00:53 Drew What was your drug of choice?

1:00:55 Caller Meth.

1:00:56 Drew And what was your husband's?

1:00:57 Caller Meth.

1:00:58 Drew Is there any chance he's still doing drugs?

1:01:01 Caller No. He works full time. I don't think so. He works full time.

1:01:06 Drew This is a common complaint from people on methadone and buprenorphine.

1:01:11 Caller What's that?

1:01:12 Drew Well, it's opiate replacement therapies.

1:01:14 Caller Oh, no. We're not on that. We never did heroin or nothing like that. I mean, I've tried it, but I never did that, you know? It was just meth, you know?

1:01:24 Drew Is he on any medication otherwise?

1:01:26 Caller No. I think he's depressed.

1:01:28 Drew Yeah, I think so, too. But it just all made to be that shut down.

1:01:32 Caller Well, I got a call at the meetings. He doesn't.

1:01:35 Drew Oh, no, he's on something. How long ago?

1:01:38 Caller I really don't think he is. I really don't think he is. I mean, it's been four years.

1:01:43 Drew No, he's the Jessica. You kind of go with me on this one. Where the smoke, this fire. His being 41 does not shut you down like that. Unless he had a long, severe drug history, we actually damage himself.

1:01:58 Caller He has a very long history.

1:01:59 Drew He may have maybe caused some brain injury or something. But even that, you'd see other evidence of other kinds of problems. Yes, depression is a common problem with people that, A, have used drugs for a long time, B, people that try not to do drugs and don't get involved in recovery. They don't replace the drug with something. Essentially impossible. Essentially impossible. It just doesn't happen. That's the thing about addiction is people are dying to stop. Literally, they can't. And so to say, well, I just put it down after being an experience addict, then just put it away. Nah, he's got to be on some clonopin or methadone or something. Somebody's put him on something and he may, maybe you don't know about it or I just, it smacks of that. I got to tell you, Jessica, what do you, I don't understand. It's that he's not in recovery. He's having, he has a physical symptom. His sex drive is profoundly depressed. Now you could say, well, maybe he's, what's that?

1:02:50 Caller Probably that. It's probably that. And plus he, instead of doing drugs, he, he's like, you know, obsessive work. And when he gets home, all he does is clean, clean the house.

1:03:00 Drew Oh, he's just, come on. He's on something. He's on something.

1:03:03 Caller No, he's not. I can tell if he's on something. I mean, I, I don't know. I just think that it's, it's something other than that. He's just ignoring his.

1:03:11 Drew Ask him to take a urine drug screen, just for the heck of it. Just for the fun. And I pretty much can predict you're gonna find an opioid or a stimulant in there. And it's, you don't just give up a lifelong drug habit. You don't just put that down and then replace it with nothing. It's even, it's a struggle in an active recovery program. You know that. All right, here's a test 26. Tess?

1:03:36 Caller Oh, hello?

1:03:36 Drew Hey, what's going on?

1:03:38 Caller Hey, how are you?

1:03:39 Caller Good.

1:03:41 Caller I was calling because I had a question. I'm into the whole like FNN thing, you know? And I was just curious, like, is it gonna lead to like something bad sexually later on? In my life, am I gonna be like 30 and like a pedophile or something like that?

1:03:55 Caller Oh, my God.

1:03:57 Adam Weird that you would go there.

1:03:58 Caller I mean, because everything is like, you know, when it's dealing with like sexual addictions or whatever, it's always something negative. And like, I'm just curious, is this gonna end up negative?

1:04:13 Drew I'm trying to follow your thinking.

1:04:14 Adam Yeah, it's really interesting.

1:04:15 Drew Yeah. Did something happen to you when you were growing up?

1:04:17 Caller No, it's just like FNN is so taboo, you know?

1:04:20 Adam Were you molested when you were growing up?

1:04:22 Caller No.

1:04:23 Drew And what kind of S&M are you into? What do you do?

1:04:26 Caller Um, I'm into like the asphyxiation thing. And I like the bondage stuff. Some of that is okay. I mean, I'm not like into it like a whole lot, you know? Like that's not every time I'm active, I'm not into it, but I do.

1:04:40 Drew To me, that all smacks, that all smacks of having been physically abused growing up, having been sort of smacked around a bit, huh?

1:04:47 Caller Um, yeah, yes, I got spankings.

1:04:50 Drew Yeah, so you're beaten as a kid, and that tends to create...

1:04:54 Caller I wouldn't go as far as to say beaten.

1:04:55 Caller I mean, I wasn't like, I was in a fetal position in the corner, but...

1:04:59 Drew You weren't beaten to death, you weren't beaten to hospitalization, you were physically abused as a child, which creates oftentimes this preoccupation with sexual stimulation around physically abusive behaviors. That happens, that's what happens. And so, there you go, it doesn't mean you're going to become a pedophile, it doesn't mean you're going to go outside of the S&M realm. It does mean that your sort of sexuality is tied up with this fetish, and it's hard to be intimate with somebody when you're just into all the fetishistic stuff. And it's best in terms of your relationship not to go too far down that path, because that becomes all about that then, and it sort of distances yourself from the relationship. Your boyfriend's not into this, right?

1:05:39 Caller Well, I mean, he doesn't... Not like not into it, but I think he just does it because...

1:05:44 Drew For you, all right, that's fine. That's fine. Just kind of contain this. Don't let it spiral out of control. Gratifying fetishes, I think, can get out of control. You know what I mean? You ever been with a guy who likes...

1:05:57 Adam No, I never have. No, it's true.

1:05:59 Drew It's Love, Inc. Your show is called Love, Inc.

1:06:01 Adam It's fun, it's on at 8.30.

1:06:03 Drew Thursday night. 8.30. Must have all kinds of stories about weird fetishes and stuff, no?

1:06:08 Adam Not yet.

1:06:09 Drew No, you gotta go with the ratings.

1:06:10 Adam Well, it's the family crowd. It's the family crowd.

1:06:12 Drew Right after everybody hates Chris. When the ratings sag, you were going there.

1:06:14 Adam Yeah, we're gonna go there.

1:06:15 Drew But fetishes generally, I watch a lot of SVU though.

1:06:20 Adam Well, on order SVU.

1:06:21 Drew Do you like that? Oh, would they have all these weird fetishes?

1:06:23 Adam I'm addicted to it.

1:06:23 Drew Really? Do you know her mother was Jeanne Spansford?

1:06:25 Adam Yeah, of course. She was in the car.

1:06:27 Drew That's what I heard.

1:06:28 Adam She was in the car when her, and I guess she wasn't really decapitated.

1:06:31 Drew What happened?

1:06:31 Adam She just like, something cut her neck and she died. But it wasn't like a full decapitation, which is what I had always heard the story was.

1:06:38 Drew How'd you hear it wasn't?

1:06:40 Adam Some agent or something like literally like how I get all my real information from like an agent or a manager, somebody I trust in the biz, you know?

1:06:50 Drew That's good. That's good. But anyway, the fetishes, fetishes generally are responses to overwhelming feelings about being close to other people. And it's a way of making that tolerable by distancing yourself from the other person by creating this focus that you can kind of look at and stay focused on and sort of be aroused by as opposed to the person being involved in it. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. And it can get a little weird, but it's nothing big, they'll be wrong with it. But it's not the greatest thing for a relationship. So there you go. Let's take one more quick one. This is Michelle, 22.

1:07:23 Caller Hi.

1:07:24 Drew Hey.

1:07:24 Caller Hi.

1:07:26 Caller Okay. This is gonna sound kind of weird. Okay. I'm dating this guy. I've been dating him for probably like three months.

1:07:32 Drew That was, that was just for the record. That was busy hitting the mic.

1:07:34 Adam Totally hit the mic with my head.

1:07:36 Drew Yeah. She just bashed her face into the mic.

1:07:39 Caller Into the microphone.

1:07:41 Drew I get crap from Adam for tapping this mic every day. You just bashed your face into it.

1:07:46 Adam I have no depth perception. We can talk about that later.

1:07:48 Caller All right.

1:07:49 Drew This is proof of that.

1:07:51 Adam Go on. Go on.

1:07:52 Drew Michelle, 22. Yes.

1:07:53 Caller What's going on? Okay. I'm dating this guy. I've been dating him for like maybe three months. One month in which he was not like in town. He was out of town for the first month of our time getting to know each other was totally on the phone.

1:08:05 Drew How many months have you been dating? Three. Three months. All right. Go ahead.

1:08:08 Caller Okay. So the first month he was out of town. So then he came back. So really we've been dating in the same place to see each other for like two months. Okay? Got that part. Good times. Okay. He's like an athlete. Okay. And he's a good athlete. And he's new and he's like really good looking and cool and popular guy. Right. So I'm totally, totally, completely been like, okay, I'm holding out with sex. Right.

1:08:34 Drew Why?

1:08:36 Caller Because, you know, I'm funny about athletes. Like, just because it seems like it would be so easy for him to get sex. That's kind of like, I'm kind of like, I'm going to make it hard to set yourself apart.

1:08:47 Adam You want to be the girl that doesn't put out expecting that he's going to stay around and have a relationship with you. But in actuality, he's not going to because he just wants to have sex.

1:08:55 Drew Yeah, none of that. The guys are not into games. I don't know where women get that. They'll go for a little challenge, but it will not change how he whether or not he's in with this relationship. He's either in or he isn't. If he's in, he's in.

1:09:11 Adam Right. So what's happened now?

1:09:13 Caller OK, so it's been, I don't know, a little over two months, I guess, but we do a lot of stuff. We go to movies, we go to dinner, we go to lunch, we do all kinds of stuff. Right.

1:09:22 Drew He's in.

1:09:23 Caller Right. Right. He's really, really good to me. But it's just a whole athlete thing. I just don't trust athletes.

1:09:29 Drew Well, then get rid of him. It's up to you, Michelle. You're going to punish this guy because he's an athlete?

1:09:33 Adam Right. I know.

1:09:34 Caller And that's really bad. It's fine because I've had a lot of athletes that are friends. I've never dated anyone.

1:09:38 Adam What's with you? That you're always with these athletes who treat you bad. This is the theme of the evening that we never got to.

1:09:44 Drew Here's the deal.

1:09:45 Caller I've never dated any of them, so none of them have ever treated me bad, but I've just known. I've had friends for a few years.

1:09:51 Adam Well, not all athletes are the same.

1:09:54 Caller I know that they aren't, but I just really, really have to get to know him. And plus, I've only in my whole life, I've only slept with one other person. It's something that I jump into.

1:10:03 Drew Well, that's a different scenario. That's fine. Then you wait till you're comfortable, regardless of whether he's the president or an athlete or whatever.

1:10:10 Caller Right. But it doesn't make me wait a little bit longer, because I know that it probably isn't right, but it's kind of funny.

1:10:17 Drew Well, it's a nice, if you've got the intestinal fortitude, it's a nice test to see how much, how in the guy is. It's not going to make you more in, but it's going to tell you whether he's up for this in a real way or not.

1:10:29 Adam I think two months is pretty intense.

1:10:31 Drew No, it's good. It's good. I don't know how much longer he's going to make him wait. Twenty two.

1:10:34 Caller I don't think it's probably going to be much longer, but we'll see. Here's the thing. Here's what happened. So last week, I got really, really drunk and I'm like, hey, what's up? Want to hang out? And it ended up having sex.

1:10:50 Drew With the athlete guy.

1:10:51 Caller Yeah, with the athlete guy.

1:10:53 Drew So what has this call been about so far? Why are you calling us?

1:10:56 Caller Probably for like three minutes, right? Three minutes. And then.

1:11:01 Caller That's my son.

1:11:02 Adam That's embarrassing. Somebody's calling me.

1:11:05 Caller Sorry, Anderson. Not because I was embarrassing, because I stopped it. Because I was kind of thinking, I was like, oh, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? So I was kind of like, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. I was seeing my line and I was like, I feel really, really nauseous. Like I'm going to throw up. I probably drink too much. I have to go.

1:11:20 Adam Okay.

1:11:21 Drew What's your question?

1:11:22 Caller So I jumped up and left. So I still, as of now, I don't really want to have sex. So I'm wondering, can I go back to not having sex?

1:11:30 Drew Even though you can, it's going to freak him out because the male brain doesn't work like that.

1:11:34 Adam Kind of mean. Whatever you're doing is kind of mean.

1:11:36 Drew Yes, I agree with you, Busy.

1:11:38 Adam It's like weird. And I don't understand what the purpose is. And I don't understand what you're talking about athletes for. This is just weird and mean.

1:11:46 Drew Cheers. I agree. I agree. It's kind of weird.

1:11:50 Adam It's like weird and manipulative, but it like doesn't really make any sense. If she'd had some weird history with athletes, I would maybe understand, but then it turns out she doesn't have a weird history with athletes. She's just being mean for kind of like no reason. And then she like calls the guy over because she's horny and drunk and has sex with him for three minutes and then kicks him out.

1:12:05 Drew Yeah, I agree. Weird. It's time. It's time to really get it going, get on with this relationship.

1:12:09 Adam Like either do it or don't.

1:12:11 Drew Speaking of getting on, we got to go to break. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. Busy Phillips is my co-host and we're taking a little break. Hey everybody, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. We are delighted to have Busy Phillips in Mr. Corolla's seat. Graciously, thankfully. Here we go. Let's get going.

1:12:55 Adam It's lovely.

1:12:56 Drew Shelly, who's 20?

1:12:57 Caller Hi.

1:12:58 Caller Who?

1:13:00 Caller I had a question. I have a really bad problem with being attracted to older men, like 29, 31, 32, and I'm 20 years old. And I have no problem getting with them, you know, like, you know, seeing my girlfriend hang out, being friends, but it seems once I get past that, it's nothing for me. Nothing happened. I didn't do anything. I don't want anything. And I just feel bored with it.

1:13:24 Drew So you have intense attraction after the conquest, or once the relationship is established, you get quickly bored.

1:13:32 Caller Yeah.

1:13:33 Caller I don't know if it's bored.

1:13:34 Caller I don't know if it's like fear of going further.

1:13:37 Drew But yeah, you just you know, you're not ready. Either you're not ready or you don't want or you have trouble with intimacy.

1:13:44 Caller I don't know, like, because I've always been surrounded by older people just my entire life.

1:13:49 Drew Like, yeah, but forget they forget the issue of them being older. Just the fact that you have an intense attraction that you follow through on, but then become rejected. It's like it's that old saying, I never want to be a member of a club.

1:13:59 Adam That would have been my favorite saying.

1:14:03 Drew Isn't that what this is?

1:14:04 Caller That's pretty much what it is.

1:14:05 Drew If these guys would have me, they're not worth it.

1:14:07 Adam Yeah, they're not worth it. That's a whole issue that you have to deal with about. Why do you think? You know, it's like you're seeking this validation from older people. But then once you have it, you think there must be something wrong with them or you're not into it or you just want out.

1:14:22 Caller Is there like, because I've only had like maybe two or three boyfriends. But I mean, each one of them is like two of them already married. One of them, you know, whatever.

1:14:31 Drew Shelly, you might you might just work this through. This doesn't mean this doesn't necessarily a sign of horrible trouble. If you had horrible trauma, you can go ahead and tell me right now because that that's more the issue. If you've had that, if you haven't and you're just doing this now, you're going to kind of sort this out, I suspect.

1:14:45 Caller Well, I don't know if I have had horrible trauma. I mean, I people like I guess you could say my dad like sexually abused me, but I don't know what to classify it as.

1:14:54 Adam What do you mean? You guess you could say your dad sort of sexually abused you.

1:14:59 Caller I know saying that sounds so weird and so dumb, but I mean, it happened when I was 18. I was 18 years old and I was still living at home. I would hear him masturbate and things like that. It got to the point where one time I called the cops and asked them, was there anything I can do? And they said, not really.

1:15:18 Drew Is he? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on here. Is he an alcoholic or something? It was sort of out of his mind?

1:15:25 Caller He, after the whole thing was confronted, he did admit that he was an alcoholic.

1:15:30 Drew All right, so he was loaded, didn't know what he was doing. It was jacking off in front of his daughter. This is awful. That's awful. Thank God you were 18 and not eight.

1:15:39 Caller Yeah.

1:15:39 Adam No kidding.

1:15:41 Caller And it was really hard, but like my mom, like just she confronted it and then just kind of ignored it and acted like it never happened until to this day, you know, they still act like nothing ever happened.

1:15:49 Adam And so you moved out, right?

1:15:51 Caller Yeah.

1:15:52 Drew And by the way, this day was only two years ago.

1:15:54 Adam Right.

1:15:55 Caller Yeah. And I moved out about a month ago.

1:15:57 Drew Were things okay prior to the end of the day?

1:15:58 Adam You only moved out a month ago? You didn't move out right after that happened?

1:16:03 Caller Yeah, I didn't move out till like...

1:16:06 Drew Come on, Shelly.

1:16:07 Caller Shelly.

1:16:08 Drew Come on.

1:16:09 Caller I had no choice.

1:16:10 Adam I understand.

1:16:12 Caller I know.

1:16:13 Drew Were things okay when you were younger, when you were a child?

1:16:16 Caller Well, I always knew, that's like how everything blew up when I was 18. Like I always knew my dad was cheating on my mom. I knew for like 13 years, never said anything. But my mom started talking to people at his office, found out what was going on. And then so that hole came up. And then I mentioned to her what he had done because she used to travel a lot. And he did it when she traveled when she wasn't home. And so I mentioned it to her and she brought him to marriage counseling. He doesn't care. He doesn't believe in therapy or anything like that. And so, I mean, the situation was never solved.

1:16:49 Drew You know, he's so funny.

1:16:51 Caller You know, he tries to quit smoking. He drinks.

1:16:53 Drew He's the lord.

1:16:55 Caller He gives one addiction or another for him.

1:16:59 Adam Shelly. Shelly.

1:17:01 Caller No one ever said, Oh, it was sexual abuse. You were abused. I went to a counselor and everything and they never said anything to me.

1:17:10 Adam Shelly.

1:17:10 Drew We'll just get back to her in a few minutes.

1:17:12 Caller Let's see where she is.

1:17:14 Drew I just need a little, I don't think so. I just need a little breakfast. Let's see. Okay, music down.

1:17:20 Caller Hello?

1:17:21 Drew Okay, yeah, okay.

1:17:22 Caller Oh, no.

1:17:24 Adam No.

1:17:24 Caller Hello?

1:17:25 Adam Hi.

1:17:26 Drew We're here. Shelly, can you hear us?

1:17:30 Adam It's her phone. Her phone cut out. She's talking on a cell phone. She's driving down the freeway. Her phone cut out.

1:17:34 Drew Shelly?

1:17:35 Adam Turn on the radio.

1:17:37 Drew Shelly, can you hear us? Shelly?

1:17:40 Adam I think you're right.

1:17:40 Drew Oh, she's listening to the radio now. Oh, no, and she's listening to the radio.

1:17:44 Adam Oh, no, and she's listening to the radio. Oh, no, and she thinks, okay.

1:17:49 Drew There she is.

1:17:53 Adam Wow, that's a big delay.

1:17:55 Drew Hello.

1:17:56 Caller Hi, there you go, Shelly.

1:17:57 Drew Can you hear us? Shelly?

1:18:00 Caller Hello?

1:18:01 Adam Shelly.

1:18:02 Drew Hello?

1:18:02 Adam Hi.

1:18:03 Caller Hello, can you hear me?

1:18:05 Adam Yes.

1:18:05 I can hear you.

1:18:07 Drew Take off the mute.

1:18:09 This is more that bad radio we were talking about.

1:18:11 Drew I know.

1:18:11 Adam I know. Okay, turn it up. Okay, whatever.

1:18:13 Drew These suicide girls are going to outcompete us. All right, here's the deal with Shelly. Shelly's dad may not believe in therapy, but Shelly needs to believe in therapy.

1:18:20 Adam Yes, big time.

1:18:21 Drew Actually, Shelly, this is relatively small. This is a relatively minor leak.

1:18:25 Adam Yeah, it kind of, I mean, she sounds actually okay.

1:18:29 Drew She's okay, but she's got some stuff to work through and she's acting it out through these relationships. And it makes perfect sense given what she's been through. Of course, closeness is going to be very treacherous and unpleasant and every time she gets close to somebody, it's going to be, oh my god, no, fat. Look what I'm into.

1:18:43 Adam And she's looking at these older guys and...

1:18:44 Drew And now she thinks that the godson, some level of the dad masturbating, he's got to be right around the corner when the old man gets close to her. Shelly, therapy, guys your own age, take your time, easy, go at 20.

1:18:56 Adam I think she's going to be fine.

1:18:57 Drew She's going to be fine.

1:18:58 Adam I hear it in her voice.

1:18:59 Drew I agree with you. Jacob, 21.

1:19:01 Caller Yes.

1:19:02 Drew What's going on, buddy?

1:19:04 Caller Well, I have a neurological disorder.

1:19:09 Drew What's the name for it?

1:19:11 Caller It's actually benign, Rolandic seizures.

1:19:14 Drew Okay.

1:19:15 Caller When I'm asleep, the deepest form of sleep, maybe anywhere from four to six o'clock, if I go to bed on time, I have a seizure sometimes.

1:19:24 Caller Oh my gosh.

1:19:25 Drew You have night terrors and night, you get frozen, that kind of stuff in the middle of the night?

1:19:30 Caller It's a grand mal seizure. I'm like flopping on the floor. Yeah, I've split my face open. I've dislocated my arm to the point where I needed surgery for it.

1:19:41 Drew Got it.

1:19:42 Caller Aside from that, I'm good.

1:19:43 Drew Cool.

1:19:44 Caller My doctor decided that I was becoming depressed. He noticed that when I was coming in for my appointment, well, you don't really seem yourself today, which I don't know what that means. He put me on two different medications for my seizures, one which I did some research on the Internet. It turns out to be an antidepressant slash anti-seizure medication.

1:20:08 Drew Neurontin?

1:20:10 Caller Yes. I was taking Neurontin for about six months. However, they took me off of that because me and my father both went and said, hey, we've heard some nasty stuff about this.

1:20:21 Drew About Neurontin?

1:20:23 Caller Yeah.

1:20:24 Drew Neurontin is a benign medicine that we use very routinely and it's an excellent medicine. But go ahead. So you got off the Neurontin.

1:20:30 Caller Okay. Well, we got off the Neurontin. I'm currently taking Keppra and Tegretol.

1:20:35 Drew Well, Keppra is a new medicine. It's a Leupoterozetam. Yeah.

1:20:39 Caller Keppra has not yet been passed by the FDA. However, it didn't really have any results. I've been taking that ever since I was 18.

1:20:46 Drew Yeah. Keppra is not a huge confidence in Keppra, but Tegretol is an old medicine around for a long time and it's good. Right. You can also try Trileptol, which is a cousin of Tegretol. But so what's the question?

1:21:00 Caller Well, the question is, ever since I've been taking, actually, I was taking Keppra for the longest time. My doctor noticed that it wasn't doing anything. And she also decided that, well, you're not really acting like yourself. So she put me on Tegretol as well. And me and my father, once again, doing our research through the internet, through what we both believe to be excellent resources.

1:21:24 Drew Jacob, Jacob, all the information in the world, does, if you read everything that was available out there, you would have the same knowledge as a second year medical student. You're taking advice from people who've had dozens of years of clinical experience and seeing in real life, in real time, how these medications work and affect people. What do you think happens in the eight years of training that follows a second year medical school? The stuff, all the information you bring in, we know as doctors by the time we're in our second year of medical school. The next eight years is spent actually seeing this in the human being and developing judgment and wisdom about how to apply these things. All your research is coming in and telling the doctor, the sky is blue.

1:22:09 Adam The reason why direct to consumer marketing of prescription medication is so awful.

1:22:14 Drew It's fine to have patients informed and stuff, but to think that that may put you in a position to make good judgments about extremely complex situations is fallacy. Believe me, why would we keep training after the second year? Because all the information is in our head.

1:22:31 Adam Drew, he's really anti-tegrital. He's really against it.

1:22:35 Drew Let me just take another quick call. This is J who's 25. J.

1:22:40 Caller Hey, how are you doing?

1:22:41 Drew You have a question for Busy?

1:22:43 Caller Yeah.

1:22:44 Drew All right, here we go. Go.

1:22:47 Caller Okay. Hey, I can't seem to hold a relationship for more than a couple of months. I keep being told that it's because of my job.

1:22:53 Adam What do you do?

1:22:55 Caller I'm a security contractor, so I'm gone a lot.

1:22:58 Adam What does a security contractor do?

1:23:02 Caller Security for VIPs in the Middle East.

1:23:07 Adam Interesting. That's intense.

1:23:10 Drew You go away overseas?

1:23:13 Caller Yeah.

1:23:14 Drew Well, it must be hard. I mean, what do you... I'm getting frustrated by people today.

1:23:19 Adam I want to know about the job. I don't care about the relationships. So this is really interesting. So it's kind of like a high-risk job that you put yourself in?

1:23:26 Caller Yeah. It's pretty much the same. I was in the Marine Corps for a long time. And then I got out and tried college, whatever. It sucked. And I just decided to do this because I did the same job I did while I was in. But now I get paid appropriately.

1:23:37 Adam Right.

1:23:38 Caller But I meet girls and like, oh, well, actually, cool, whatever. And then I leave for, you know, two, three, four, six months.

1:23:44 Caller And I come back and like, I can't deal with this.

1:23:47 Adam Well, yeah, it's hard. OK. First of all, you're just starting to date someone and then you leave for six months. And secondly, you're going to like a war torn part of the world where you might get killed. I mean, let's just be honest.

1:23:57 Drew They don't want to get attached to it.

1:23:58 Adam I don't want to get attached to the guy who's going to go get killed.

1:24:01 Drew My curiosity and frustration because I'm feeling that way. Why is this a mystery to you?

1:24:06 Caller I mean, it's like really, you're gone for six months with no relationship.

1:24:10 Caller But I mean, like, you should start.

1:24:12 Adam You should start. Well, not a lot of you should. You should like Christina Amanipour or whatever. You should be like you should be like some hot reporters, VIP security in the Middle Middle East and start some like hot toward love affair with like a middle edged reporter woman from CNN. That would be that's where you that's where you need to look.

1:24:32 Drew That's busy's advice.

1:24:33 Adam That's the advice.

1:24:34 Drew That's busy's advice. Find somebody who's on TV overseas and have some kind of illicit, bizarre affair with her.

1:24:42 Adam Right, because they will have the bond of being in this place together.

1:24:45 Drew I am, but here's the deal with Jay.

1:24:47 Adam There's no mystery.

1:24:48 Drew Here's the deal. Jay. Other people exist, other people have feelings. That's my advice to Jay. That this mystery about how someone could not wait for you for six months or more. I don't get it.

1:24:58 Adam We went on two dates. She seemed really into me and then I went to the Middle East for six months. I came back, she was with some other guy.

1:25:05 Drew And I understand with some people, just sort of contending with other people's feelings and the fact that they have feelings is mysterious and difficult. And Jay is one of those guys. Jay, look, you got a great job. That's excellent. Stay with that.

1:25:17 Adam Yeah, it sounds like it's really good for you.

1:25:18 Drew Relationships have certain needs, see buddy. And women kind of know what a relationship needs. Instinctively, they know it. Jay, you don't know it. And go ahead and follow their lead. And if you want to have a relationship, follow what they tell you is necessary in order for their relationship to develop.

1:25:32 Adam How old was Jay, by the way?

1:25:33 Drew 25. And he's young.

1:25:34 Adam He's 25, so he's going to go have this cool career and have great stories.

1:25:37 Drew It's good. It's all good, Jay. We're only talking to good, fun, cool people tonight. We're going to have great lives once they get over there.

1:25:43 Caller Just crap.

1:25:45 Drew All right. This is Loveline 1-800-LOVE-191, Busy Philipps in here for Adam Corolla. The show is Love, Inc. Thursdays, 830 UPN. And we will be right back.

1:25:55 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191, Loveline, Loveline, with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:26:00 Busy Philipps We'll be right back.

1:26:14 Drew Loveline, Busy Phillips is my guest and co-host here. And as I was going off about the poor, I forget the caller's name, who was the seizure disorder, I had to push all my buttons on information. People have, information is great. We live in the information age, but people put all too much emphasis on information and really don't understand the difference between information, judgment, and wisdom. And the fact is that by, again, just to reiterate this, by the time we're done with the second year medical school, we have all the information. Then we spend the next eight years developing judgment and wisdom based on experiential learning, being in real life experiences with complex multiple variables moving all the time. And you develop a wisdom with these things. And all the internet information in the world is not going to give you that because you've not seen the nocturnal seizure disorder 8,000 times and tried the very hundreds of different medications for these different situations, these different given individuals. You use that experience to make judgments. And if you don't trust that, you're really making a huge mistake. It's like a, you know, I've said enough. Busy Phillips.

1:27:18 Adam How you doing?

1:27:18 Drew Thursdays airs. It premieres tomorrow. What's the episode about? Love, Inc.

1:27:23 Adam Tomorrow night, the pilot episode, as we like to call it, the first episode of any TV series is about my character. We were matchmakers and my character gets a call from an old boyfriend and she sort of mistakenly thinks that he's looking her back up because they were so good together. And then it turns out that he really just wants her services as a matchmaker.

1:27:44 Caller Oh, it's a little disappointing.

1:27:48 Drew Hilarity. It's hilarity. Oh, my God. That's so funny.

1:27:51 Adam So funny. It's really fun.

1:27:53 Drew I'm going to be on the show soon.

1:27:54 Adam Yeah.

1:27:55 Drew Christina, 23.

1:27:57 Caller Hi.

1:27:58 Drew Hey, what's up?

1:28:00 Caller Actually, I have a question about canker sores. I've had them all my life. And tonight, I actually got a call from my boyfriend and he was asking if I possibly given them to them and now I don't really know much about them. I just kind of figured that they were something that they were always there.

1:28:17 Drew They tend to be viral and they can be transmitted. And you can, by contact, touching, like kissing or putting your mouth on a genitalia, that'll transfer it down there.

1:28:29 Adam If you have a cold sore, right?

1:28:30 Drew If you have an active lesion, yes.

1:28:32 Caller Well, is canker sores and cold sores are the same as that thing?

1:28:36 Drew No, they can be different, but they both could be transmitting virus to other people.

1:28:42 Caller Okay.

1:28:43 Drew Why, what did he get?

1:28:45 Caller No, he was just, he kind of was a little pissed because he found one in his mouth and I hadn't had one in a while.

1:28:51 Drew So what?

1:28:52 Adam Maybe he had too much citrus.

1:28:54 Caller Well, I mean, he was just kind of like, you know, a little, now he was a little annoyed because he might have to deal with it for the rest of his life.

1:29:00 Drew He's never had a canker sore before ever?

1:29:02 Caller No, he has actually, he gets, he has herpes 1, though.

1:29:05 Drew That is herpes 1. What, what are you talking about?

1:29:08 Caller Oh, it's, well, he gets cold sores.

1:29:12 Drew Yeah, it's the same thing.

1:29:12 Adam It's the same thing.

1:29:13 Drew Same thing. Same thing. But what, your boyfriend's too bitchy.

1:29:17 Adam Yeah, it's weird that he's getting mad about a canker sore when he has herpes.

1:29:20 Drew Grow up. Well, now, well, herpes is herpes 1, basically.

1:29:23 Adam Right, right, right, right, but like, that was his point. I have herpes 1, but now I have a canker sore. I'm pissed.

1:29:28 Drew But I mean, it sounds like, I mean, it's like I'm a cartoon character.

1:29:33 Adam Yeah, it's bizarre.

1:29:34 Drew Mike, 27. Here we are, uh-oh.

1:29:37 Caller Whoop.

1:29:38 Coco.

1:29:39 Adam Coco. He's talking to his dog. Mike.

1:29:42 Busy Philipps Yeah, sorry. Hey, I'm here.

1:29:44 Drew Who's Coco?

1:29:45 Adam That's Coco right there.

1:29:48 Drew What kind of dog is Coco? That was Anderson.

1:29:52 Caller Are you there?

1:29:53 Drew Coco was running in the street?

1:29:55 Caller Yeah, he was about to. We just got home and opened the gate.

1:29:57 Adam No, that's the dog. No, but one of them is the dog, right Anderson?

1:30:03 Drew We saw him. What kind of dog is Coco?

1:30:06 Caller I have no idea.

1:30:06 Adam The magic of radio.

1:30:07 Caller Just a little, just a little mutt.

1:30:09 Adam Okay.

1:30:10 Drew Are you a Mormon?

1:30:10 Adam Love your dog. What?

1:30:12 Caller What's that?

1:30:14 Adam What's your question?

1:30:15 Caller Are you a Mormon?

1:30:17 Caller I've been taking this drug called Traumadol.

1:30:19 Caller Okay, and I'm actually kind of addicted to it. Been taking it for about six or seven months now.

1:30:24 Drew Right, it's an opiate. Don't make a mistake about it. It's an opiate I've had to treat. What's it for? It's for pain, but I've had to treat a lot of addiction to that drug.

1:30:32 Caller And it is almost impossible for me to get off.

1:30:35 Drew Well, it's an opiate.

1:30:36 Caller I started with like three or four a day. I'm up to about 10 to 15. I tried to quit cold turkey for about four days and it was hell.

1:30:46 Adam What does he have to do? Go to rehab?

1:30:47 Drew Yeah, you got to go to treatment. Yes. Yes. It's opiate. It's the same thing as vipin.

1:30:52 Adam Don't you watch op- no, you don't watch Oprah. And Dr. Phil, when they have those like- no, okay, you roll your eyes, Dr. Phil. The bane of your existence, I'm sure.

1:31:01 Drew No, no, actually, I'm beginning to sound more- I realize that's all about all you can do through media is just go, get over it, stop it, stop doing that. But when they deal with addiction, it is excruciating for me because the lack of sophistication and the potential harm they're doing with it is really problematic. But anyway-

1:31:19 Caller The only way I'm going to be able to get off of it is if I go to treatment then.

1:31:21 Drew Yeah, it's an opiate and I don't believe- there are people that you could try doing an outpatient detox as a medication called Subutex or Suboxone that is actually pretty good for outpatient detoxes. But if you are actually a genuine opiate addict and not just dependent on this drug, you won't be able to stay stopped. You will start going again. So you can try the outpatient detox, but my expectation would be that you're going to need to come inpatient somewhere because I've never seen opiate addiction successfully treated as an outpatient, if that's what you have. You certainly have dependency, that's why you have withdrawal. But most merely dependent individuals have no difficulty getting off these drugs. It's the dependent addict that really suffers with this.

1:31:59 Adam Okay, so I'm going to ask you a question now. How do people get addicted to drugs when they start taking them for pain? How do they keep getting their prescriptions refilled? Because every time I've had an operation or something, it's like a limited refill.

1:32:13 Drew I know, the doctor is not paying attention or they go to multiple doctors. And that happens a lot. Busy Phillips is in here. It's been a great show with her. We're still going to come back in after the commercial. The show is Love, Inc. It'll be on Thursday nights, 8.30 UPN. And we'll be right back. Amazingly, that does it. It's Loveline, another one in the can. Busy, thank you.

1:33:00 Adam Fantastic.

1:33:00 Drew Fantastic show, thank you so much.

1:33:02 Adam Thank you.

1:33:03 Drew I'll put you back as soon as possible. The show premieres tomorrow night, for those of you listening in the West. That's September 22nd, 8.30 on UPN. It's called Love, Inc. It's a Thursday night show every week following.

1:33:13 Adam Everybody hates Chris.

1:33:14 Drew Everybody hates Chris. So this is Dr. Drew Adam. We'll be back tomorrow night. I'll actually be in Washington, DC calling in tomorrow night. And we've got, who's coming in tomorrow night? Coheed and Cambria? It's a band. Coheed and Cambria. Later in the week, Jeff Probst. It's going to be a big week next week.

1:33:30 Adam Eric Balfour.

1:33:31 Drew Eric Balfour?

1:33:32 Adam Everybody knows Eric Balfour.

1:33:33 Drew Huge.

1:33:34 Adam Nice.

1:33:34 Drew Huge stars only on this show. But until then, this is Dr. Drew on behalf of Adam Corolla saying mahalo.

1:33:41 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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