Episode 1000685444761

9:28 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience.

9:32 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised.

9:45 Voiceover This is Loveline.

9:48 Adam With Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Dr. Drew, Board Certified Physician, Diction Medicine Specialist. Tonight, our guest, Genevieve Gorder. Genevieve is the host of Town Hall, which is on TLC, 10 o'clock Saturday night. They've been pumping the bejesus out of this show. I mean...

10:15 Genevieve Gorder Oh, you've noticed?

10:16 Adam Yeah, I noticed you hanging on a big paint can. I've seen advertisements in magazines. I've seen them advertise on not only TLC, but other like-minded networks. It's been a big push. Genevieve, you know, from Trading Spaces... Oh, where do we start? I'm a big home improvement guy myself.

10:38 Genevieve Gorder Are you?

10:38 Adam Yeah, that's my thing. You know anything about building?

10:42 Genevieve Gorder Yes.

10:42 Adam You do?

10:43 Genevieve Gorder Yes, I do.

10:43 Adam You do? I got to warn you. Ty Pennington came in here and said he knew something about building. He knew something about bongs.

10:51 Genevieve Gorder Well, I know Ty Pennington very well.

10:54 Adam He doesn't know anything about building.

10:56 Genevieve Gorder I know about building.

10:57 Adam He doesn't.

10:58 Thank you.

10:59 Adam Let me explain something.

11:00 Genevieve Gorder I've grown up doing this stuff.

11:01 You do?

11:03 Adam You want to stump me?

11:04 Drew Try to stump him, please.

11:05 Try to stump him with anything.

11:07 Genevieve Gorder With home improvement, anything?

11:10 Adam Building, home improvement, doesn't matter.

11:12 Genevieve Gorder Let me see.

11:13 Adam Well, you can think about it for a minute.

11:14 Drew Cleaning, air conditioning, electric.

11:16 Genevieve Gorder Give me a second.

11:17 Adam You can think about it. We'll talk amongst ourselves. I don't want to put pressure on you. I don't want to get you.

11:21 Genevieve Gorder No pressure felt.

11:23 Adam On the defense. You seem nice, unlike that Benedict Arnold.

11:27 Drew Ty?

11:28 Ty Pennington.

11:29 Genevieve Gorder Was he on the defense while he was here?

11:31 Adam No, he was fine. He just doesn't know anything about building.

11:34 Genevieve Gorder He's a carpenter.

11:34 Adam He's not a carpenter.

11:36 Genevieve Gorder He can build furniture.

11:38 Adam That's not a... Okay. Look, I know he sounds like a pain in the ass, but Drew's the same way with the imposters that are on TV.

11:43 Drew The doctor imposters.

11:44 Adam Everybody's supposed to be something. They're not.

11:47 Genevieve Gorder That's why I started my own show.

11:48 Adam Ty Pennington looks good with his shirt off. He's not a carpenter. He might be good at whittling a chair or something, but he doesn't know what layout is for framing. He doesn't know about treated bottom plates and header stock. He doesn't know any of that stuff. He doesn't... You can't be a carpenter without knowing the codes. Yes?

12:06 Genevieve Gorder Well, carpenters and builders are different professions.

12:08 Adam Well, well, look, carp, carp, first off, yeah, carpentry means you can build a house. You do finish. In my estimation.

12:17 Genevieve Gorder Carpenters for me is more like finishes.

12:19 Adam Not put glitter on a hobby horse. Thank you.

12:25 Genevieve Gorder I was fed up with people who aren't really what they serve.

12:29 Drew Imposters.

12:30 Genevieve Gorder Imposters.

12:31 Drew The people who pretend to be design.

12:32 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, because it gives design a bad name. And that was very frustrating. It doesn't give me a lot of credibility being in the company of those guys, impostering me there.

12:42 Adam Give us a little background on yourself, Genevieve. How'd you get involved with Trading Spaces, which I'm guessing was your big break?

12:49 Genevieve Gorder I guess it was. I was a designer since I was 19. I'm as working as one. I was working at MTV probably around the same time you guys were for a while.

12:58 Adam Probably making the same amount.

12:59 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, about $2 a day.

13:00 She was an intern.

13:01 Adam We had our unsuccessful show.

13:04 Same money.

13:05 Genevieve Gorder Cheap bastards.

13:05 Adam We got a rain slicker out of it though, I think.

13:08 Drew Yeah, we did actually.

13:09 Yeah.

13:10 Adam They were great though around Christmas time. You get like one slipper. It was awesome.

13:14 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, but you get to go to the party. And that was the payoff.

13:17 Drew No.

13:18 Genevieve Gorder That's what they said.

13:19 It was for the party?

13:20 Drew We were produced by somebody else. It was our producers who put the party on.

13:23 Adam Even that was a tough ticket too.

13:24 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, they weren't that great.

13:26 Drew Oh, let's have a brief sidebar here for a second. We of course would get to go to the MTV Music Awards and stuff. But the tickets were so crappy.

13:34 Genevieve Gorder Were you seat fillers?

13:35 Drew That people would go, No, those were good seats. They go, what are you guys doing up here? You're doing some kind of a stunt where you run down to the stage and deliver. Right. You're like, what?

13:44 Yeah.

13:44 Genevieve Gorder Good place to work when you're 19, a little older than that and it doesn't work.

13:49 Adam No.

13:49 Genevieve Gorder It's too cheap.

13:50 No.

13:50 Adam But so you started MTV.

13:52 Genevieve Gorder I started, I was actually, I grew up restoring old Victorians with my family in Minneapolis, where I'm from. So we would do them from the ground up. We didn't build them, of course, because they were built a long time ago, but restorative stuff was something I was doing when I was five.

14:05 Wow.

14:05 Adam I love your dad, a picturing him like Merlin Olsen from Little House on the Prairie.

14:10 Genevieve Gorder I wish he was.

14:11 Adam Bearded husky, strong hands.

14:15 Genevieve Gorder He was a good Norwegian man.

14:16 Yeah.

14:17 Adam What did he do? Was that what he did for a living?

14:19 Genevieve Gorder No. My dad was, my dad really was one of those guys who was, thought they were too smart, that they shouldn't ever hold a job for too long. You know that kind of guy? Yes.

14:29 Drew We talk about those guys all the time.

14:31 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. They can go to school.

14:32 Drew Well, they are very smart. They're brilliant.

14:35 Genevieve Gorder They can ace a test and never go to the class. But they think they're too good for school because they can do that.

14:39 Drew They're entitled to things coming to them automatically because they need work because they're so smart.

14:44 Genevieve Gorder That's my papa.

14:45 Adam End up sort of becoming a little bit blowhard.

14:49 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. That's my dad.

14:50 Adam Yeah.

14:51 Drew Always way left of center, too.

14:52 I got to say this thing.

14:53 Genevieve Gorder But hilarious.

14:55 Adam Way left of center. A lot of talk about how great Canada is.

14:58 Here's the thing.

14:59 Adam I got to say this to everybody.

15:00 Genevieve Gorder I'm married and a Canadian, so watch out.

15:02 Adam No. I don't have any problem with Canada, but it's not the world's greatest country.

15:06 Drew The way your dad would think it was.

15:07 Yeah.

15:08 Adam They have health care for everybody.

15:09 Genevieve Gorder I could have been a socialist easily.

15:10 Yeah.

15:11 Adam Here's the whole thing with all you so-called pseudo intellectuals over there. Think you're too cool for school, too smart for the room. Here's the thing. You can't figure out how to make money, and if you could, that would make you smart, but you can't. You can't be a genius and can't figure out a way to make a living. You can't be both. Because here's the thing. Just hold on a second. What if we just forget about this planet? Let's just say we're on another planet, the Sneetches, Drew. Let's say we're out with the Sneetches, and the Sneetches have this stuff called the Globos. And Globo isn't good for anything, but it can get you everything. It can get you cars, it can get you transportation, it can get you vacation, get you security, roofs over your head, bowling alleys in your house, it gets you education, it gets you everything. It's Globo. It gets you everything. Now you're a genius of Sneetchville, but you can't figure out how to get a chunk of Globo. I'm still a genius?

16:04 Drew Now that you're not willing to work to get the chunk of Globo.

16:07 Adam Because Globo is no good.

16:09 Drew Globo belongs to everybody else.

16:10 Adam You're not me.

16:11 Drew I'm too genius.

16:11 Adam I would argue that the ultimate genius is the guy who figures out a way to collect the most Globo.

16:17 Genevieve Gorder But there's a genius of many sorts. I mean like Prince.

16:20 Adam Yeah, your dad's a great guy.

16:21 Genevieve Gorder Prince, great musician, genius. Can he cook me a good meal? Probably not.

16:25 Adam No, but he's figuring out how to collect the Globo.

16:28 Genevieve Gorder But aren't geniuses really underdeveloped in every other category except for the ones that they're genius at usually?

16:34 Adam They're usually, they socially have different.

16:36 Drew Now you're talking about autism or Asperger's or something, which is true. That does happen that way, but it doesn't have to happen.

16:41 Adam All right, let's keep going. Let's get off the ground.

16:44 Drew Let's go take some calls.

16:45 Adam Take some calls.

16:46 Drew I want to break it down.

16:46 Adam I want to find what's going on with Genevieve.

16:49 Genevieve Gorder So I'll wrap it up really quick.

16:50 Adam MTV. Now, how did you get on to TLC? And my God, this home improvement stuff is going through the roof now, Dr. Drew, where was everyone 10 years ago when I was screaming about this?

16:58 Drew When you declared that it was the thing of the future.

17:00 Genevieve Gorder We're waking up. We're waking up. America is waking up to design, which is good. Actually, I was in MTV as a... I worked there all through college. I went to the School of Visual Arts in New York City to study design. And then I left for Europe for a while, came back to New York, was working at another studio.

17:14 Drew Did you study design in Europe?

17:15 Genevieve Gorder Yes. I worked in Barcelona and Amsterdam for a long time and then came back and I designed the Tinker A10 bottle. It's gin. I don't drink it, but I designed it that year. This is something graphic designers would know, but anybody else could care less.

17:30 Adam Yeah. Well, I like my Tinker A gin.

17:32 Genevieve Gorder Well, that's the year that Trading Spaces was looking for designers and it won an award. So they wanted designers from every facet of design. So they chose me and I was like, no way, you know, no way. Interior design is for really wealthy people. It's for ladies on Park Avenue who have nothing to do. And it's designing women, you know, sitting around drinking mint juleps and talking about nothing important.

17:53 Adam I agree. Let's take some calls.

17:56 Genevieve Gorder Thanks for your interest.

17:57 Adam No, I see.

17:57 No, yeah.

17:58 Adam But but you said no, it's for the masses. Well, it's for the people.

18:02 Genevieve Gorder Well, that's what changing rooms and trading spaces is. And thus the design extravagance on television today.

18:10 All right.

18:10 Adam Now, have you have you can you stump me, by the way? Have you thought of any any any stump?

18:14 Genevieve Gorder Do you know what a chase is?

18:17 Adam Yeah, I do know what a what a chase is.

18:20 What?

18:21 Adam Chase is where you would run. Well, I would call a chase what it was inside of a soffit, essentially, like if you're running wires, speaker wires or something like that. That's a weird little stumper. I had to think about it for a minute. You would build a soffit, let's say, if you had to run around a chase.

18:42 Drew Chase is like something that runs wires.

18:43 Adam Chase is like an empty area that you could run, that you could pull wires or pull venting or something like that. Chase, what else you got?

18:54 Drew Ask him how to hang a door or how to create heating floors.

18:56 He doesn't know that stuff.

18:57 Genevieve Gorder I guess I do. You haven't watched Town Hall, obviously.

18:59 Drew How to hang a door.

19:00 Adam Well, they cook that stuff, come on. You want to talk door hanging?

19:05 Genevieve Gorder That's another show.

19:06 Adam What do you want? Boring bit.

19:08 Yeah, yeah.

19:10 Adam What size hinge is exterior?

19:13 Genevieve Gorder What size, I don't know. You got me.

19:16 Adam You don't know the exterior hinges on a door versus interior? You know what NRP hinges are? No. You know why you use NRP hinges?

19:24 Genevieve Gorder Why?

19:25 Adam NRP is non-removable pins. If you have doors, you have French doors that swing out, the pin knuckles on the outside, they'll knock the hinge pins out, take the door off.

19:33 Genevieve Gorder So why are you sitting in a radio studio?

19:35 Adam I don't know what I'm doing here. But don't tell me you know about doors.

19:39 How dare you?

19:40 Genevieve Gorder I know about finishing doors.

19:42 Adam All right.

19:43 Genevieve Gorder Listen, at least I'm a designer.

19:45 Adam Yeah, you're a designer. You're not Ty Pennington who comes in here claiming to be a carpenter.

19:49 Genevieve Gorder I know a lot about building, but I'm not a builder.

19:51 Adam All right.

19:52 Drew Drew, I know nothing about any of that stuff.

19:55 Adam That's right. You're like you're like Sergeant Schultz.

19:58 Genevieve Gorder At least we're all honest in this room.

19:59 Adam No, listen, I don't mean to get on you. You're you're a designer.

20:03 Genevieve Gorder That's what I am.

20:03 Adam Yeah, that's right.

20:04 Drew You mean you're vivacious.

20:05 Genevieve Gorder You want to you want to take me on design. Go for it.

20:08 Adam All right. I don't know how you describe that, though. How do you describe that?

20:11 Drew How do you take it on? Yeah. How would you ask a design question?

20:13 Genevieve Gorder How do you challenge? It's the same thing as building. If you want to challenge me on anything, finishes or texture or lighting.

20:19 Adam But how do you how do you how do you verbalize it? You know what I mean? Design.

20:22 Genevieve Gorder I can't tell you what the question is.

20:24 Adam But if you were going to ask somebody, how would you make a competition if you were going to verbalize?

20:26 Drew If you were going to stump somebody, what would you ask them?

20:29 Genevieve Gorder If I were to sum something about design, I could do design history, which is always something really good. I mean, it's just about as interesting as hanging a door. But, or I could, you know, ask about...

20:41 Adam But knowing more about design history doesn't make you a better designer.

20:44 Genevieve Gorder No, the more you know, the better you are at anything.

20:46 Adam No.

20:47 Genevieve Gorder Yes.

20:47 Adam No, all the idiots I work with know more about sports than any guy in professional sports doesn't make them a better ballplayer. Thank you.

20:54 Genevieve Gorder Well, it's not a better ballplayer. I'm not a better chef because I know more about design, but I'm better at design if I know more about it. If I know more about the world, I'm better at whatever I do.

21:07 Drew I actually agree with her on that.

21:08 Adam No, it helps, but tell that to everyone in my office.

21:11 Drew It knows everything about every sporting event. For a skill that is not exclusively a brain skill, it doesn't apply.

21:19 Adam All I'm saying to Genevieve is how do you have a design competition verbally?

21:23 Drew I'm curious. How would you stop somebody on a design question?

21:29 Genevieve Gorder How do you do this? How do you put on a Venetian plaster finish?

21:33 How do you do this?

21:34 Adam With a smooth metal trowel.

21:36 Genevieve Gorder I mean, it's really an interesting conversation, but if you want to challenge me on anything, you can go for it.

21:42 Drew I'm a person fascinated.

21:43 Adam I got to think designing, though. I told you how to put on the Venetian plaster, didn't I?

21:48 Genevieve Gorder No, you didn't.

21:49 Adam You put on the metal trowel.

21:50 Genevieve Gorder Well, that's how you apply it, yes.

21:52 Adam Yeah, and then you rub it down with the metal trowel.

21:54 Genevieve Gorder You apply it with the metal trowel, and then if you want to add dye, you have to mix that in before you do that, and then you put it on the trowel, smooth it out, wax it, polish that, get the right finish, blah, blah, blah.

22:03 Adam All right, I give it a trowel finish myself.

22:05 Drew She's the color person, don't forget. She has it colored everything.

22:08 Adam All right, Andrea.

22:09 Yes. Yes.

22:12 Adam What's up?

22:14 Well, I've never had a relationship longer than three weeks, since I think I was in eighth grade in my last, like, long relationship, but...

22:23 Drew Anything you want to tell us about your upbringing that might have led to that problem? In fact...

22:30 Adam Drew, please.

22:30 Drew I didn't say that.

22:31 Adam Please.

22:32 Drew By the way, people think, really believe I say those things.

22:35 Adam I know, that's why it's funny.

22:38 Drew Well...

22:38 Adam Amanda? Yeah, I mean, Andrea?

22:40 No, I wasn't molested, but...

22:43 Drew Were you neglected, abandoned?

22:44 I didn't have a father.

22:46 Drew Okay.

22:46 I mean, I did it when I was seven, and then he let my mom...

22:49 Drew Right. So, that's abandonment. Abandonment is the thing that you then act out in this relationship, which...

22:54 Adam He left at seven. Sorry for cutting you off. I think worse than not having a dad. I really do.

22:59 Drew Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because you're attached to him, and then he vanishes. And so now you have this unfinished business. And certainly your brain now is attracted to people that are like your dad, because that's who you love and wish were back in your life. And guess what? Somebody that's like your dad is somebody who's abandoning. Somebody who's going to leave you. And if you're with somebody who's real, who's actually available for relationship, but by the way, what you find was not like your dad, you couldn't tolerate that. So you'd sabotage that and you'd take off.

23:24 Adam When your dad took off, he never came back?

23:27 Well, no, he just left.

23:30 Adam And you never saw him again?

23:33 I seen him at a funeral, like maybe a couple years later.

23:37 Drew He sounds like just a delightful gentleman.

23:40 Genevieve Gorder What do you remember about your dad? What were some of the qualities, the good things?

23:46 I don't, I mean, I don't really remember that much stuff. Just watching, I don't know, just hanging out with him. I don't know. I don't really remember. I was seven.

23:59 Adam You remember stuff when you're seven, when you were twenty-two especially.

24:02 Drew You do remember. Go ahead.

24:04 Just, I guess, just, you know, fun stuff, I guess, watching TV and hanging out with him.

24:09 Adam Drew, what are you getting at?

24:10 Drew Well, what I'm getting at is A, she's avoiding the feelings associated with what Genevieve's question is, which is a perfect question. And secondly-

24:16 Adam That was a good question, Genevieve. I know we got off to a happy start, but that was a strong question.

24:20 Drew And that what she remembers is being with him. What she misses is being with him. And that's what you're going to make sure that you don't get in your relationship is being with somebody.

24:31 Adam All right.

24:32 Drew You don't get anybody, you get three weeks and that's it.

24:34 Adam Andrea.

24:34 But how can I get over that though?

24:36 Yeah, you can get a little therapy.

24:38 Adam And then start chipping away. I mean, have a four-week relationship, have a five-week relationship and get a little better.

24:45 Drew Don't go for guys that remind you of dad or that you're super attracted to your attractions are going to be distorted. Yes. Don't trust your attractions.

24:51 Genevieve Gorder Andrea, my dad left when I was 13 and I had the same problem for quite a while. And you look for all of those good things that you remember about your dad, whether he was really funny, or he was really smart, or if he drank a lot, whatever. Some of these qualities tend to show up in the boyfriends that you keep afterwards.

25:08 Adam We get to drink a lot.

25:09 Genevieve Gorder And then they leave.

25:10 I've had a lot of those.

25:12 Genevieve Gorder But you have to go for... Unfortunately, you have to stop looking for the bad guy and start looking for the good guy.

25:18 Adam Did dad come back or did you just go off to Canada to blow hard?

25:22 Genevieve Gorder My dad?

25:22 Drew Moulsonville.

25:23 Genevieve Gorder Dad didn't come back.

25:24 Oh, really?

25:25 Adam Now you're a big TV star though and he wants back in your life, right?

25:28 Genevieve Gorder He's called.

25:29 Drew Santa Lopez in 15 years.

25:30 Wow.

25:31 Drew Let's bash him.

25:32 Wow.

25:32 Drew He deserves a little bashing here. Yeah.

25:34 Adam Well, here's the thing. Look, far be it from us and I bash my own family. Frankly, I'm so tired after bashing my own family every night. I really don't have energy for others. But I really do want to tell people it's okay to say that people did things that are wrong and hold them accountable for it. People do a lot of apologizing like, well, it was a difficult time or you don't know how you would have reacted. No, that was wrong. And I'm not saying, and Drew and I have discussed this many times, I believe it makes you a bad person if you do bad things. People are like, he's not a bad guy, but he killed his wife. I'm going to just go ahead and call that a bad guy. That's me. Yeah. And if you do bad things, you're a bad guy until proven otherwise. You can redeem yourself. You could go to Nicaragua and feed the hungry for 20 years and maybe get out of the bad guy category. But as far as you go, he's a bad guy. What he did was wrong.

26:34 Drew Now it's possible that he was in his disease of alcoholism. And is he in recovery now?

26:38 Genevieve Gorder I don't think so, because I think one of the first steps is really contacting.

26:41 Drew Let's bash him. Yeah.

26:42 Genevieve Gorder But that's what I'm thinking.

26:44 Drew He's not responsible for his disease, but he is responsible for his recovery.

26:47 Genevieve Gorder Absolutely.

26:47 Drew And that's that.

26:49 Adam That's heavy, Drew. All right.

26:50 Genevieve Gorder But Andrea, there's hope.

26:51 Adam There is. There is.

26:52 Genevieve Gorder It takes time. You got to look for the good guys.

26:54 Drew Well, why don't we ask Andrea if her dad was an alcoholic, too? Because she doesn't know. Yes, she does.

26:59 Adam She's going to defend him. Andrea?

27:02 Drew Yes.

27:02 Adam Was your dad an alcoholic?

27:04 Drew Yes.

27:05 Adam I told you.

27:05 Drew Yeah. Okay, so there are programs.

27:07 Adam You got a sick sense about these things.

27:09 Drew If you want to change internally what goes on with you, there's a free program called Al-Anon. You can go there, get a sponsor, work the steps, and you will magically be attracted to a different kind of person.

27:18 All right.

27:19 Drew Right?

27:19 Laura?

27:20 Drew That's true.

27:21 Adam You're 21?

27:22 Drew Yes.

27:23 What's up?

27:24 I am 21 and my boyfriend lives in Phoenix.

27:28 Adam EE.

27:29 Drew What's up? What do you mean? It's affectation.

27:33 Adam Something's going on. I think she's just trying to be quiet.

27:36 Yeah.

27:37 Adam Is there somebody else in the house?

27:38 Yeah.

27:39 I can go.

27:39 Sorry. Hang on.

27:41 Adam You don't have to go anywhere. Just go ahead. Drew was getting that breathy Marilyn Monroe thing. I was getting like, stepdad's son logs in the other room.

27:49 What dad?

27:49 Adam Homanary disease.

27:50 What dad?

27:51 Adam I told you dad deserves.

27:53 I'm talking to somebody.

27:54 It's like one o'clock.

27:55 I gotta go down third.

27:56 Drew No, no, no.

28:01 Drew I think it is.

28:03 No.

28:05 It's not.

28:06 Drew You can't even imagine who it is. You want to put him on the phone with us?

28:10 Genevieve Gorder Put your dad on the phone.

28:11 Adam Dad thinks it's Lycus.

28:14 No, dad. It's Loveline. They can't play a song for your dad.

28:20 Genevieve Gorder I thought someone was in trouble for him over there.

28:23 All right.

28:24 Drew That sounds like a delightful gentleman. Another delightful dad. This is a delightful dad night.

28:28 Adam Well, I want to know who he thought she was talking to.

28:31 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, I think that's what we're going to hear about right now.

28:33 Adam Yeah.

28:34 Yeah, he thought I was talking to my boyfriend.

28:36 Adam All right.

28:36 Drew Where's my husband?

28:37 Adam Your dad sounds like a fan of your boyfriend.

28:40 No, he caught me talking to my other boyfriend years ago, at like two in the morning, and he was harassing him.

28:47 Drew Hey, Laura.

28:48 Yeah.

28:48 Drew One quick question.

28:50 OK.

28:50 Drew 21, right? You're 21?

28:51 Caller Yeah.

28:52 Drew What the hell are you doing at home?

28:54 Caller Actually, I'm moving away from home.

28:56 Drew Is this Chris?

28:57 Caller But come the middle of May, I'm going to be moving back home.

29:02 Drew Wait. I couldn't track that.

29:03 Adam I don't care. What's your question? Oh, engineer Chris?

29:06 Drew Engineer Chris.

29:08 Adam At 21, he was still in his mom's womb.

29:10 Caller Are you kidding?

29:11 Drew He was called back in. What are you talking about?

29:13 Adam Crawl back in. Yeah, he stayed there.

29:14 Drew He was just emerging recently.

29:16 Adam No, he wasn't even born at 21 years. He was born at like 23 and a half.

29:21 Caller All right. Go ahead, Laura.

29:22 Caller Yeah. Sorry. I'm home painting a room and bookshelf and whatnot with my dad.

29:27 Drew That explains everything.

29:28 Adam You can do it.

29:29 Drew What color are you painting it?

29:30 Caller The room is actually like a lilac and the bookshelf that's built into the wall is like a berry color.

29:36 Genevieve Gorder Whose room is this? Why are you painting a room in a house you're not going to live in?

29:39 Caller I'm going to be coming back home in May, but this is my old bedroom. It's getting turned into a guest room.

29:44 Genevieve Gorder Okay, got it. So what's going on?

29:47 Caller I am actually, my boyfriend is 20. I'm going to actually be 22 in like just under a month. Like I think it's one day under a month. And I was thinking of-

29:58 Adam Who cares?

29:58 Caller Keep going, would you?

30:00 Adam Like none of us-

30:01 Drew Strange detail there.

30:02 Adam Boy, I wish, Drew, I was 22 18 years and four days ago.

30:08 Genevieve Gorder Don't pay attention to them. I'm listening.

30:11 Adam Jesus Christ.

30:12 Drew Keep going.

30:12 Adam You must be good lucky.

30:13 Caller I'm cohabitating with my boyfriend, but he's in, well technically he's in Prescott, Arizona.

30:19 Genevieve Gorder They're living together.

30:21 Drew But he's in Arizona and you're in Pennsylvania?

30:22 Genevieve Gorder Yes. How does that work?

30:25 Caller Very difficultly and a lot of money on planes.

30:31 Genevieve Gorder Okay, so you're not cohabitating, you're just visiting each other across the country.

30:34 Caller Yes, but I'm considering cohabitating with him come August.

30:37 Drew You're considering?

30:38 Genevieve Gorder Okay.

30:39 Drew And how's the relationship going?

30:41 Caller It's going great. We're at eight months and we were friends for a year before we got interested in each other romantically.

30:49 Drew How much time have you actually spent together? How many days face to face have you spent in the last eight months?

30:56 Caller Easily, easily over a month, probably near two months. Because every time I go down to visit him, I visit for a week.

31:02 Drew All right, okay. That's working. What does he do for a living? Right now, he is 22, he's 22, you guys.

31:11 Caller I'm going to be 22, he's 20.

31:13 Drew Oh no, she's one day and a month away.

31:15 Caller He is going to school to be a pilot right now.

31:18 Genevieve Gorder Okay.

31:19 Drew That doesn't qualify for the right now comment.

31:21 Adam No, it doesn't. What do you mean? What kind of pilot? Commercial pilot?

31:27 Caller Yeah.

31:28 Adam In Pennsylvania? No, he's in Arizona.

31:31 Drew His parents are paying for him to fly a Cessna.

31:34 Caller Actually, he's passed the Cessna, thankfully.

31:37 Drew But somebody is paying for him as a hobby to go fly planes.

31:40 Caller No, not a hobby.

31:41 Caller He's gone to school for that.

31:42 Adam He's gone to fly to school.

31:43 Drew Okay.

31:43 Adam All right. Cool.

31:44 Drew You wouldn't say right now to that. You go, he's going to be a pilot.

31:47 Adam Yeah.

31:48 Drew Be more definitive about that.

31:49 Adam All right, Laura. All right. We give you our blessing. Just because we hate your dad, we like to see you out of the house.

31:56 Genevieve Gorder What are you scared of?

31:58 Adam What?

31:59 Genevieve Gorder What are you scared of moving in together?

32:01 Caller Well, my mom is very supportive of it. My dad doesn't like it at all, even though my brother is cohabitating with his now fiance in Ohio.

32:10 Drew Laura, you have the strangest way of expressing yourself. Honestly, you're so interesting. All the usual sort of nuances of language have been sort of tossed aside by Laura. Yeah. You know, right now, he's going to become a fighter pilot. And we're cohabitating. He's living with his girlfriend. Yeah. Why are they cohabitating? Are you living in Amish? Are you in Amish or something? Wait a minute. Are your parents Amish or something?

32:35 Adam Or Shakers?

32:36 Caller I'm an hour north of Pittsburgh, so no, I'm not Amish.

32:39 Caller All right.

32:41 Adam Well, listen, ghost dealers, I mean, you should go to. Get out of there and go see your boyfriend. I'm sure it's not going to last. You guys hang out for six months and you come back. Your dad says, you're right. Yeah. You know, cadence.

32:54 Drew Very interesting. Very unusual.

32:55 Adam Yeah. Genevieve has it. They've sort of you guys were like separated at birth. You both have a interesting cadence to you know, but your language is normal.

33:05 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, that's what my problem is.

33:06 Adam There's an interesting.

33:07 Drew You don't have that Minnesota. I can't even do that.

33:09 Genevieve Gorder I don't have that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about?

33:13 Caller Yeah.

33:15 Adam It seems like you've you've worked to overcome that.

33:17 Genevieve Gorder No, I've just been gone a long time. That's just what happens.

33:20 Drew That's not an accent you're going to stay with if you move out. That one magically goes away.

33:24 Genevieve Gorder It comes back when you go home.

33:26 Adam It's one that people seem to be able to drop as opposed to the southern.

33:31 Genevieve Gorder Or even New Jersey.

33:32 Adam Even New Jersey. They can't New York. They can't drop that one. Yeah. The Minnesota people I know, and I know quite a few of them, they just seem to drop it magically and they pick it right up magically.

33:42 Drew Because it's not a lyrical issue.

33:45 Genevieve Gorder It's not a pitch.

33:46 Drew There's no pitch issue. It's a pronunciation of vowels.

33:50 Genevieve Gorder It's our O's.

33:50 Drew Yeah. It's purely a boat.

33:52 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. It's almost like slang. It's Canadian. All right.

33:55 Caller Let's take a...

33:56 Drew It's close.

33:57 Caller It's close.

33:58 Genevieve Gorder They say a boot. We say a boat.

34:01 Adam Okay.

34:01 Caller Wow.

34:01 Adam I'll buy that.

34:02 Drew She's right.

34:03 Adam She's right.

34:03 Drew I can almost tell the...

34:04 Genevieve Gorder There you go, Canadian, you guys. I know.

34:05 Drew I can almost tell the difference between those two across the nation.

34:08 Adam Genevieve Gorder here tonight. She is from TLC's Town Hall.

34:12 Caller All right.

34:13 Adam Hold on a sec. Drew.

34:14 Drew I beg your pardon.

34:15 Caller Stop crapping on me.

34:16 Adam I'm doing something here. Saturday nights, 10 o'clock, TLC's. Yes.

34:20 Caller Go ahead, Drew.

34:21 Drew We do Last Night of iPod Shuffle again and 20 free songs from iTunes. The bumper you will hear is Float On by Modest Mouse, sometime in the next hour and a half or an hour and 35 minutes and 10 seconds from Laura. When you hear the song, Dial 1-800-LOVE-191 to be the first person to say iPod Shuffle, and you win the songs in an iPod Shuffle. All right. Fair enough.

34:42 Adam We'll take ourselves a little break. We'll be right back after this.

34:48 This is Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-1-91.

35:05 Adam Hey, everybody, this is Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191-ER. That's not the song, is it? Is that the song?

35:15 Drew No.

35:16 Genevieve Gorder Modest Mouse?

35:16 Adam That's not the song.

35:17 Drew They wouldn't shoot that off at the beginning of the show.

35:19 Adam Why not? What do we care? Just give away one of those goddamn things, so let's get it over with.

35:23 Drew Well, here's the other thing, is that they'll start bombarding Brian with a billion calls for the next half, 45 minutes.

35:28 Adam I swear to you, Genevieve Gorder's here tonight from Town Hall, Saturday nights, 10 o'clock TLC. Also, of course, Trading Spaces. And what's going on with Trading Spaces? You moved on, and they're just showing reruns?

35:45 Genevieve Gorder Well, a couple of us have moved on to other things. I still do specials once in a great while. You can't always chop off the hand that, you know, got me started.

35:54 Adam Are they talking to you now, like network people, because of the success of, like, Extreme Home Makeover and that kind of stuff? I mean, it's got to be shows wanting to rip it off and do it on a network. I mean, you know, big three network.

36:07 Genevieve Gorder Absolutely. I mean, well, you saw what happened after Trading Spaces, too. There's like 50 new design shows and some of them are so similar. It's just ridiculous how that medium in particular kind of repeats itself isn't that creative. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure the show that I'm on now will get ripped off at some point. I guess you have to consider it flattery. But I think a lot of us, a couple of us left Treating Spaces and went to different channels and Doug and I stayed because we found a good home and it's just working. So it's very easy.

36:37 Adam Well, listen, there's definitely, take it from guys that have been around a couple of different networks. It's nice to make friends. They treat you right. They trust you. They leave you alone. It's like any relationship. Like I don't care if it's your maid or you're the gardener or it's your gardener or you're the pool man or it's your pool man, whatever it is. After a few years, you trust people. You know them. They do a good job. And you get to do your thing. You know, people looking at you and bothering you and second guessing you all the time.

37:05 Genevieve Gorder Well, the biggest thing is that you just have enough room for your creativity. And people let you do it.

37:09 Adam You got to earn that trust.

37:10 Genevieve Gorder Exactly. And so after five years of trading spaces, the trust was there. And thus, you know, I wrote this show. So that was it.

37:17 Adam I was just laughing, thinking, in order to this iPod Shuffle thing, where, you know, why don't you just give it away? Radio stations do that thing where it's like, 106.7 karat, caller 107 is going to get themselves tickets to YouTube. And then the poor board op, the phone op is like, call one, call two, call three. I sit there watching. I just thought they were kidding. I just thought, oh, you wait 10 minutes and you pick the guy. We got a wiener.

37:46 Genevieve Gorder There's never 107 callers.

37:47 Drew No, they do. Yes, they do. You go watch them do it.

37:51 Adam That's how stupid radio guys are.

37:53 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, who would know if they didn't have 107?

37:55 Adam Nobody would know, but the FCC would close the place down because someone would sue because they were caller 86. But in reality, they were 106 and they want their Schwinn mountain bike. Meanwhile, the poor spaz that's answering the phone, the van driver, it sounds like 57, no, caller 58, caller 59, caller 60, caller 61, caller 61. How about just the first caller that gets in, gets the Schwinn bike? Got to do 106.7 callers?

38:22 Genevieve Gorder That's just as big of a challenge to be the first caller.

38:25 Adam I'm fine, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe a bigger challenge to be the first one than the 106.7 caller, but the poor operator doesn't have to, 87, 88, caller 89, that's why they busted up for everyone.

38:37 Drew Some of that I think is the guys on the air screwing with the callers.

38:39 Caller You think so?

38:40 Drew That's what I think, yeah.

38:41 Adam They're screwing with the phones.

38:42 Caller The phone screen of Brian in here is having flashbacks.

38:43 Caller He used to do it apparently.

38:44 Drew Yeah.

38:45 Caller Oh yeah, so did Perez.

38:46 Adam Well, why not make it 2,500 then?

38:48 Drew Chris used to do that.

38:49 Caller Yeah, Perez, that's where he started off.

38:50 Drew Oh, I'm trying to not still do it.

38:53 Adam The legendary living at home, Chris. He's the engineer that usually fills the huge Birkenstocks left behind by engineer Michel.

39:02 Caller Huh? Yeah, that's him.

39:05 Adam Oh, my God, you tell him to answer the phone 100 times. That's that's two days. Oh, are you kidding me?

39:09 Drew Two days. That's big.

39:11 Caller Yeah.

39:12 Adam The winner will be announced Monday. That's good. It's Thursday.

39:15 Caller All right.

39:15 Adam Let's go. Come on.

39:16 Drew Let's break it down.

39:18 Adam Let's go.

39:19 Drew Let's get it on.

39:20 Caller Whatever.

39:20 Caller Yeah, we got to get it on.

39:21 Drew If she claps, you like that, she goes like this.

39:23 Caller Yeah. Jade, hello.

39:29 Adam You're 17?

39:30 Caller Yes. What's up?

39:31 Hi. I had a question for Dr. Drew. I know you have triplets. And I'm a triplet. I have two brothers. And when we were little, I don't know how common this is, but we developed our own little language.

39:46 Drew Yeah, it's very common. And particularly under, you know, three, in that range, sort of two to three.

39:52 But this, we still use it.

39:55 Drew How does it sound like?

39:56 Caller To this, say something in triplets.

39:58 Drew Yeah, say something in triplets.

40:00 Adam Say the N word.

40:02 Drew The F word, say the F word. Just be less offensive.

40:05 Cuss words.

40:06 Caller Oh.

40:06 Drew Well, how would we know? It's a triplet language.

40:08 Caller Right.

40:09 Genevieve Gorder Say, I want to go get a glass of water in your language.

40:12 Oh, God. I don't know. We usually just say like a Nicolabob or Rissacay or just crazy. People say it sounds like rushing or something.

40:22 Drew And what were they referring to certain objects or an activity?

40:26 Mom and dad, like just crazy things. I don't even remember making them up.

40:32 Drew What is your mom?

40:33 My mom is my be.

40:35 Drew And dad, Bobby.

40:37 Caller Yeah, yeah. All right.

40:38 Adam It sounds like a retarded kid saying mom and dad. Listen, it's more obnoxious than those Trekkies with their godawful languages. And they always end up sounding like the same thing. And then when you break them down, it turns out they have eight words.

40:49 Caller Yeah.

40:50 Adam All right.

40:51 Caller That's enough.

40:52 Drew It is common. And sometimes it does sort of stay through time. Sometimes the reason it stays is because it's sort of reinforced by adults. So, oh, you guys have a language and tell us what you're doing. But it can be quite elaborate sometimes. And it can precede English. It could be the language that you actually use to communicate before you get a formal language.

41:08 Caller Yeah. My brother's girlfriend actually came up to me and she kind of was freaked out because he used, I guess, during an intimate moment with her.

41:16 Genevieve Gorder Oh, no, that's the problem.

41:18 Drew What did he say?

41:18 Caller Yeah.

41:19 Caller By the way, Maviv.

41:21 Caller He got freaked out.

41:22 Drew What did he say?

41:23 Caller Mama Bamba Juba.

41:24 Caller Telling her she loved her or something. And it was during.

41:28 Drew And what did he say? How do you say that?

41:30 Caller I don't know what he said. He said just gibberish.

41:34 Drew But it's your language. You should be able to say I love you.

41:36 Snellenar.

41:37 Adam Snellenar. Why would.

41:39 Genevieve Gorder Oh, it's like Dutch.

41:41 Drew No, this is Dr. Seuss language.

41:44 Adam You know, it's funny, too. They always whenever they do that thing where they interview insane people and they're like they're they're we're abducted or they're part of an alien, whatever. And then they end up asking him what what the language sounds like. It always sounds like the same nonsensical, crappy, stupid gibberish. Yeah, it's always ridiculous, but it's always the same. And we're always excited because it's like, oh, you're you're from a different planet. Yeah. And then they put them on your trance and they're like, speak in that language, you know, like knee be shmeek.

42:16 Caller I mean, it's all about it.

42:18 Genevieve Gorder But you shouldn't be grossed out, right? That he used that language because that's probably the most dearest and loving language he has.

42:23 Adam That's right. Yeah. But she should be freaked out that the girlfriends saw it fit to tell her, Yes, what's your boy?

42:30 Caller You know? Yeah.

42:31 Adam Yeah. When your brother was on top of me, the other actually wasn't on top of me. It's doing me wheelbarrow. You know, technically, but figuratively on top.

42:39 Caller He said, now look, he said, and then he yelled duck.

42:48 Genevieve Gorder That's sexy.

42:50 Caller I'm Snadler, no! I'm that brain!

42:56 Caller Body, body.

43:00 Genevieve Gorder It's kind of gross. It kind of dirties the language a little bit.

43:04 Caller Suck that schneezle good.

43:06 Adam Yeah.

43:07 Caller Yeah, it's hot. That is so hot.

43:10 Drew Yeah, you like a little snicker, schneezle.

43:12 Adam Dr. Seuss on top of you. Ridiculous.

43:16 Drew All right.

43:16 Adam You don't tell. Look, let me just say this, everyone. Don't feel compelled to tell everyone you're embarrassing, weird, like, hey, you want to talk about uncomfortable. Last night when I was being intimate. Speaking of uncomfortable, this is uncomfortable. Right. You.

43:33 Drew Yes.

43:33 Adam Your uncomfortable moment from last night. Now uncomfortable for me.

43:37 Drew Multiplies. My brother, you're talking about.

43:40 Adam Picked up a, put a couple of zeros behind your uncomfortable moment of last night and that's what's going on right now. Yeah. Uncomfortable means shut up. No, don't go telling everyone, getting weird on them. Thank you, Drew. I know you agree with me on this one.

43:54 Drew Well done.

43:55 Caller Bravo. Huzzah.

43:57 Drew Huzzah.

43:57 Caller Huzzah.

43:59 Adam Tyler. So much straighter than hooray.

44:02 Drew Yeah, hooray is like, yeah.

44:03 Adam How gay is hooray?

44:04 Drew Yeah, yeah. Where'd that come from anyway, hooray? I don't know.

44:07 Caller We had huzzah.

44:08 Adam I mean, you know, the Limeys had huzzah.

44:11 Drew No, the final fathers had huzzah.

44:12 Adam Well, they brought it over. Yeah, they brought it with them. They packed their huzzah up in a steamer trunk and they brought it over.

44:17 Drew We got it. Somebody's got to call us and tell us when the huzzah became hooray.

44:21 Caller Hooray is so gay.

44:23 Drew Hip, hip, huzzah.

44:24 Caller They say hooray in England.

44:26 Caller They say hip, hip, hooray in England a lot.

44:28 Caller They do?

44:28 Drew Yeah, but the huzzah came over.

44:30 Caller But the huzzah. Huzzah.

44:32 Drew It sounds more military.

44:33 Genevieve Gorder Maybe it was like a class thing.

44:35 Adam I think, I think for kids. Oh, interesting.

44:38 Genevieve Gorder The peasant said hooray.

44:39 Drew Maybe as we got all these ethnicities in, it just got switched.

44:42 Genevieve Gorder Right.

44:43 Drew Everything else?

44:44 Adam I think the, I think kids are more comfortable with the hooray.

44:47 Drew Sure.

44:48 Adam But as you become an adult, especially male, that hip, hip, hooray.

44:52 Genevieve Gorder Well, who says hip, hip, hooray? You?

44:55 Caller Yeah. When?

44:56 Adam Well, I do.

44:57 Caller Well done.

44:58 Adam I do that.

44:58 Genevieve Gorder Who says that?

44:59 Adam Because I do, because it would be someone's birthday or something, and I'll go, you know, three cheers for Stan, hip, hip, and everyone has to join in.

45:05 Genevieve Gorder You look like an British colony.

45:07 Caller It's funny. Yeah.

45:08 Adam You could be at a funeral.

45:09 Drew He lives in 1780. Did you know that? He could be visiting us from the past.

45:12 Genevieve Gorder The old colonist.

45:13 Adam You could be standing over just an open casket and go, three cheers for that guy, and everyone would look at you weird. Then you go, hip, hip, and everyone would yell, hooray. You have to answer, hooray.

45:23 Drew Here's a good man, hip, hip.

45:24 Adam Yeah.

45:25 Genevieve Gorder Let's start a movement. Just start saying huzzah.

45:27 Adam Oh, yeah.

45:28 Drew He started it.

45:28 Genevieve Gorder It starts right here, right now. Huzzah.

45:32 Adam Huzzah. It's like a knock-knock joke. You gotta go, who's there? You just have to go, who's there? You could be clinging to life with a car pinned under a car. You'd have to go, who's there? The paramedic said, knock-knock.

45:43 Caller You'd have to, you'd have to finish. You'd have to.

45:47 Drew You'd have to finish shaving a haircut.

45:48 Adam SUV rolled over on you. It's got you pinned. You're clinging to life. You would have to finish, Drew.

45:53 Drew Oh my.

45:53 Adam You have to.

45:55 Drew I know. What can you do?

45:56 Caller I just say, we will place array with Huzzah.

45:59 Genevieve Gorder What's your sign, Drew? Virgo, what's your name?

46:03 Adam Gemini.

46:04 Caller Yeah.

46:04 Drew Oh, that explains everything.

46:05 Caller Huzzah.

46:07 Genevieve Gorder Huzzah for you guys.

46:08 Caller Yeah.

46:09 Drew What are you, Virgo?

46:10 Genevieve Gorder Leo.

46:11 Caller Leo, yeah.

46:12 Genevieve Gorder See a little organized, Dr. Drew? Yeah.

46:15 Adam He's organized, yeah.

46:16 Caller And you're kind of two-faced?

46:18 Adam Yeah, no, I actually. Four-faced. I don't have any of that. No, I mean, look, you can read it up for that.

46:24 Genevieve Gorder You're already a contractor, but you're sitting in the radio studio. I got it. That's all I need to know. You're two men living in one body.

46:29 Adam I don't really have two personalities, so.

46:31 Drew He barely has one.

46:32 Caller I barely have one.

46:33 Adam I got half a personality. Let's take ourselves a little break. Genevieve Gorder here tonight. She is from Town Hall on TLC, Saturday night, 10 o'clock.

46:43 Genevieve Gorder Thank you, thank you.

46:44 Adam And of course, some reruns of Trading Spaces.

46:47 Genevieve Gorder Huzzah.

46:48 Adam Huzzah. We'll take a break. We'll be right back after this.

46:51 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

46:54 Adam Loveline will be right back. What was in the kitchen?

47:05 Caller Yeah, huzzah, huzzah, Loveline.

47:11 Adam I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, Genevieve Gorder's here tonight. She is from Town Hall on TLC, 10 o'clock, Saturday night. Yeah, so what, are you out here? Where do you live?

47:24 Genevieve Gorder I live in New York City.

47:25 Adam Oh, you're out here just doing press and that kind of thing?

47:27 Genevieve Gorder I'm just out here, yeah, I'm just hanging out and seeing some friends and going, doing a lot of work stuff too, but it's nice to be in some warm weather for a little bit. It's freezing in New York.

47:35 Adam Yeah, that's what they say.

47:37 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, it's winter.

47:38 Adam Yeah.

47:39 Genevieve Gorder Fat on that, LA people.

47:40 Adam Yeah.

47:40 Drew This is winter here too.

47:42 Adam This is about as much winter as we get. And even though we've had some rain, 16 feet of rain in the last hour and a half, we still got to conserve. We're in a drought area. This is a desert.

47:53 Drew It was a penalty. A penalty for water use.

47:55 Adam A desert. Oh, speaking of the water Nazis around here, speaking to Genevieve who shares our...

48:02 Genevieve Gorder I'm a water Nazi?

48:03 Adam No, no, no. I was... I'm going to get to that, but we both share a passion for home improvement and all that stuff. I had this great toilet in my house that was... I had this all green bathroom. They used to do bathrooms in these great colors where they would do the tub.

48:20 Genevieve Gorder As you should.

48:21 Adam Yeah, the tub was sort of this mint green. The sink was a mint green, and the toilet was mint green, as well as the green and black tiles and everything.

48:28 Genevieve Gorder You can't find that anymore. You can't find toilets like that.

48:30 Adam That's awesome stuff. This toilet was about two stories high with the big green tank and the green bowl and everything. And when I bought the house, I walked right in the bathroom and said, Wow, look at this. This is awesome. I love this toilet.

48:43 Genevieve Gorder Most people would tear it up too.

48:46 Adam When I took possession of the house, the toilet was gone.

48:49 Genevieve Gorder No. They took the toilet?

48:51 Adam Ripped out. No, the DWP, when the house changes hands, you have to go to the low volume, the one six gallon, whatever.

49:00 Genevieve Gorder Could they put something inside the toilet to chip?

49:02 Adam One would think they could have thrown a goddamn brick in there, but the problem is if they put a brick in, then I would take the brick out, and so they couldn't have that. Point is, is they undid the toilet and threw it in the closet. Now, obviously, it could have been chipped or wrecked or whatever, but the second thing is the way the toilet was hooked up in the old 20s style, the water feed was at the top. The way they are at the bottom, the way they are in the new toilets are down at the bottom. So I had this big channel of open tile where, you know, and this sort of-

49:33 Genevieve Gorder And you can't find tile to match it to cover it.

49:34 Adam No. And this sort of jerry-rigged hose that ran across and one under the Sears toilet for 68 bucks.

49:39 Drew I hope you put your old toilet back.

49:41 Adam Of course I put it back, you Nazi police, you retards coming into my expensive house, yanking out my toilet, leaving weird exposed pipes hanging out of the wall. And then are you the tragedy that is going on in this country? You can come into someone's house and swap the toilet out.

50:00 Genevieve Gorder Never heard of it.

50:00 Adam Oh, that's not like it's an LA thing.

50:03 Genevieve Gorder New York.

50:04 Drew It's it's all right. You can build on your garage.

50:07 Adam Yeah, right. Yeah.

50:08 Drew You can change the now.

50:10 Adam You can't do anything in LA.

50:12 Genevieve Gorder You can build a house out of cardboard, but you sell it for 300,000.

50:16 Adam Yeah, I know. This is town.

50:18 Genevieve Gorder Why are you living here?

50:19 Adam I it's it's a good goddamn question. I'm this close to packing up my hizzas and I get out of Dodge.

50:26 Genevieve Gorder No has asked for you today.

50:27 Adam Coming into my house, taking my toilet apart, moving it into a closet, putting on crappy toilet. You know, I paid. I'm sure I paid for the crappy toilet, which I got rid of. And the stupid don't we have bigger questions, Dr. Drew?

50:39 Drew Oh, they're waiting. They're waiting through the toilet.

50:43 Adam No, I'm not done.

50:44 Genevieve Gorder OK, well, we'll talk about this later.

50:46 All right. All right.

50:47 Adam All right. All right, Tyler, wow, he responded to you.

50:50 Genevieve Gorder That's amazing. How do you do that?

50:52 Adam Come on. You got to think more. Getting more building stump questions.

50:56 Caller Yeah, my phone's starting to beep in my ear because it's dying. I've been sitting in a hole so long.

51:02 Drew Oh, careful out, Tyler.

51:03 Adam Go ahead.

51:08 Caller Like every time my boyfriend and I have sex, afterwards, I get locked jaw, like in the left side of my jaw, and it lasts for about a half an hour.

51:16 Drew You get locked jaw, meaning your jaw locks open?

51:19 Caller No, like closed, and when I open it, it pops really.

51:23 Drew So you get spasm of the muscles controlling your jaw?

51:29 Caller Not really. It's like it locks, and I can't open it. And if I try to open that, the force in it just kind of pops.

51:35 Drew All right.

51:36 Adam Is this oral sex or intercourse?

51:38 Caller Both.

51:40 Drew Well, obviously, it's the oral sex that's giving you the trouble, unless you're...

51:43 Caller Well, I mean, I don't even do that often.

51:44 Adam You can be tense, gritting your teeth, something like that.

51:48 Drew Yeah. I mean, usually, the problem that happens with the jaws in oral sex is they dislocate. Yeah. The jaw dislocates and slides forward, and it gets locked open.

51:58 Genevieve Gorder Then it's time for a new boyfriend.

51:59 Drew And so people get... It's the two big things. You shouldn't like that.

52:02 Adam I did that to a lady once, but not... Didn't get wide. It went past each other. This way.

52:08 Caller The teeth went past each other, dislocated.

52:10 Drew Looking for the penis.

52:11 Caller That's right. They actually got...

52:14 Adam The uppers got actually lower than the lowers, and they passed each other, and it...

52:18 Caller Yeah.

52:19 Adam My penis is able to bend like a pipe cleaner.

52:21 Caller Sure, sure. Well, that's amazing.

52:24 Drew Same size as a pipe cleaner, too strange. Anyway.

52:26 Adam Like an ancient crank. You know, like a chick.

52:28 Genevieve Gorder It could be like a weird condition.

52:30 Caller Well, I think it's kind of weird, though, because we don't have oral sex all the time, and I don't even...

52:34 Drew But is your mouth open and you're kissing?

52:37 Caller Not really.

52:39 Genevieve Gorder Did you get locked out as a kid?

52:41 Caller No.

52:42 Drew Well, this is all part of the temporal medial joint.

52:45 Adam Probably has nothing to do with the sex. I think she's crying her teeth at night or something.

52:48 Drew It's all part of the temporal medial joint syndrome. You need to see a dentist about this. They may give you a bite blade. You may well get to the thing where it locks open, too, and that's not funny. You have to go to the hospital and have it relocated.

53:00 Caller I can see her. It's locked open. It just like it.

53:03 Drew We got that, Tyler, but you got to see some dentists about the TMJ syndrome you got. It's the spasm of the temporalis muscle. The muscle that goes all along in here, comes down into here and spasms.

53:11 Genevieve Gorder Overuse.

53:12 Adam Chelsea.

53:13 Caller Hi.

53:14 22?

53:16 Caller Yes.

53:16 What's up?

53:17 Caller Hi, guys. How are you doing tonight?

53:19 Genevieve Gorder Chelsea. Good.

53:20 Caller Hello, Genevieve. I love your show. Everything. You're totally awesome. I'm actually going to school for interior design. And I just wanted to know, and it's kind of a cliché question, but your inspirations. I know sometimes you get ideas from artwork and things like that.

53:35 Caller But, I mean, how do you come up with such?

53:39 Genevieve Gorder What an idea. A concept. Well, you know, this is what we were all talking about a little bit earlier. And I think it's true in design that the more you see and the more you do, the more experience outside of what you know, the better designer you'll be always. So I always say, especially to young people who are wanting to be designers, is that the best way you can do this is to travel and get out of your world and go and experience every sense you possibly can, every taste and smell and color and bring that back. Otherwise, you're just going to keep making these beige oatmeal houses.

54:08 Adam That's why I got that TiVo, by the way, so I could really go and experience other cultures, other worlds.

54:13 Drew She's not talking about porn, Adam.

54:14 Genevieve Gorder No, not just... Hey, you can be inspired by porn, too.

54:17 Drew Yeah, that's what I said, not just porn. Huzzah, huzzah.

54:20 Genevieve Gorder Huzzah, baby. But you just have to take... Mother Nature is the best designer. So take flowers, you take vegetables, you take fruits, you cut those open, there's your color palette, and there's your start. But your concept has to come from something you've done in your life or something someone you're designing for has experienced. So tap in and be a good listener.

54:37 Adam The blowhard I hate is...

54:39 Genevieve Gorder Good luck.

54:39 Adam There are no straight lines in nature. Yeah. Yeah, okay, thanks.

54:43 Genevieve Gorder Yes, there are.

54:44 Adam And there probably are.

54:45 Caller I'm sure the planet's straight.

54:46 Adam Bamboo seems pretty straight to me, by the way. Yeah, I've seen a lot of straight lines in nature, but I like that it's a weird sort of retardoism that...

54:54 Drew When people fall back on aphorisms, it means they don't know what they're talking about.

54:59 Genevieve Gorder What is that called, an aphorism?

55:00 Drew Aphorism.

55:01 Adam We're going to take a break. Blowhardism, too. We're going to take a little break. When we come back, remind me to ask Genevieve whether she thinks that people can be good at design who aren't good at design. You can improve.

55:16 Genevieve Gorder I know the question.

55:17 Adam You can improve. But I'm thinking, as it pertains to music or acting or whatever, can you really be good at something you really just aren't good at?

55:27 Yep, that's it.

55:28 Adam And then who decides what's good?

55:29 Genevieve Gorder Yep, we've got it.

55:30 Adam All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

55:33 All right, guys, here's the deal. You're looking to hook up, sick of wasting time with the wrong person?

55:38 Caller One call is all you need to make.

55:40 Drew Call the Dateline.

55:41 Caller 877-889-DATE.

55:43 Drew Call the Dateline.

55:46 Caller LOVE-191.

55:51 Drew 5105.

56:06 Caller Yeah, mm, Drew gave me campy.

56:10 Drew Yeah.

56:10 Caller It's delicious.

56:12 Caller I can't talk.

56:14 Genevieve Gorder Nothing more fun than listening to people eat on the radio.

56:18 Drew Tell you what, Adam can't breathe it with his nose.

56:20 Genevieve Gorder Oh, you one of those guys? Oh, I hate to think next to you.

56:24 Caller You're a mouth breather.

56:25 Drew Oh, you don't know. Huzzah.

56:27 Caller Let me say this. Drew knows.

56:29 Adam We're not sleeping.

56:30 Caller When I'm done, I'm leaving.

56:33 Adam That's number one. If I do get too drunk and have to crash out, do it on the sofa.

56:38 Genevieve Gorder You must have the doggiest breath in the morning. Big mouth breather.

56:42 Caller I don't worry.

56:43 Adam No, I don't. I get the cotton now.

56:46 Drew Yeah.

56:47 Genevieve Gorder Well, your throat must be dry, too, huh? You get the lockjaw?

56:50 Caller Yeah.

56:51 Drew Just when you're having oral sex with a buddy.

56:53 Adam I do, yeah. No, I get, I'll tell you what you get. What you get is you get a nice mouthful of sawdust. You know, you get the cotton mouth, although it's been raining so much over the last few months in Los Angeles, and it's so humid that you just don't really, if you never.

57:11 Drew It's not as bad.

57:12 Adam No, I mean, go to Vegas, go to a hotel room in July, and it's just you wake up, your eyelids are like spot welded and closed.

57:21 Genevieve Gorder Do you have a humidifier?

57:23 Adam No. You mean like in my house?

57:25 Genevieve Gorder Yeah.

57:25 Adam No, I haven't got that going.

57:26 Genevieve Gorder Fill the bathtub with water and leave the door open.

57:28 Adam That's a good idea.

57:29 Genevieve Gorder I do that in every hotel room. Oh, you do? Because it's really bad traveling.

57:33 Adam I heard somebody, I think Dickie from the Boss Tones, I don't know why, I think it's him, told me that before you go to bed, especially, you know, we used to go to Vegas a lot to crank anchors. You go to Vegas and like I said, during the summer, it's just, it's so dry. He said, take a glass of water, a couple of glasses, just dump it on the carpet right by the edge of the bed. It just evaporates all night.

57:56 Caller Yeah.

57:57 Adam Closer than the tub, but not as much volume.

58:00 Drew I love that.

58:01 Adam Oh no, I wouldn't do it there.

58:03 Drew You pee there.

58:04 Adam I pee there, yeah. I pee on the carpet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

58:06 Drew Yeah, I know, I understand.

58:07 Adam Okay.

58:07 Drew Why waste the water? Just go ahead and pee.

58:09 Adam Well, I'm drinking the water while I'm urinating.

58:11 Drew That's what I'm saying.

58:12 Adam Okay. All right. And Drew, I don't-

58:14 Caller Huzzah. Huzzah.

58:15 Genevieve Gorder That's all I gotta say.

58:16 Adam Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Before we left off, I was asking Genevieve about style or taste or design. And if you think people can- If someone can get it, who doesn't obviously get it, you know, are you born with it? You think like you are like a musical. Doesn't people have a musical ear or a green thumb or something like that?

58:42 Genevieve Gorder That's true. I was a teacher, design professor for a couple of years as well. And I think that we're hardest at the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan. And I think one of the hardest things, and I actually said it to a couple of students, because I know it would be harder to hear after they were out of school. But sometimes you're not meant to be what you go to school for.

59:02 Drew How do they take that?

59:03 Genevieve Gorder Terribly. And, you know, of course they're not going to be happy about it, but I hope that they come back ten years later and say, you know, thank you, because you would have wasted a lot of years of your life and you would have had a lot of rejection.

59:14 Caller Keep waiting. That's not going to happen.

59:18 Genevieve Gorder I mean, design is something I think that's pretty intuitive. There is no, like, you can't ask me a question or stump me because there is no right or wrong answer, per se. It isn't a literal science, but I think you're born with an eye or you're not.

59:31 Caller Yes.

59:32 Genevieve Gorder You see the world through design or you don't.

59:35 Adam I agree, but there's a lot of people that think they're born with the eye and don't realize they don't have the eye. There's a lot of people where it's an attractive life to them. Oh, an interior designer.

59:45 Genevieve Gorder It seems very glamorous.

59:46 Adam Seems like it seems cool, especially to a lot of women and a lot of gay guys.

59:51 Drew I bet, though. Yeah.

59:53 Adam Well, there's nothing. You see, it's sort of like actors in the sense that someone can be banging their head up against the wall for 20 years in this town, and there's nobody who could tell them they can't do it. This is sort of one of those things too, but also you see people that just have done horrible jobs in their own homes.

1:00:10 Drew I bet there are people like your mom that go, well, that's your idea of good design. Well, mine is something else.

1:00:16 Genevieve Gorder Exactly. If it makes them happy in their own home, let it go, but if they're trying to be a decorator or a designer, and do it to other people, then you got to say something, but there's a big difference between decorator and designer, and decorator is more of a hobby. Design, you're trained, and there are definitely rules that you know, this color will work with that color, it's just a given, and decorators may know this. Designers try and break new ideas through, and design bigger structures and bigger concepts than just the aesthetics, just the superficial. Does that make sense? No.

1:00:49 Caller Yeah, no, I mean, yeah.

1:00:52 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, yeah. Right-brainers, you know what I'm talking about.

1:00:55 Adam No, it's any, every one of your mom's goofball friends considers yourself a decorator.

1:01:00 Genevieve Gorder Put up a wallpaper border, and they think they've done.

1:01:03 Adam Yeah, design.

1:01:04 Genevieve Gorder There's the room.

1:01:05 Adam Yeah.

1:01:05 Genevieve Gorder No, there's various levels.

1:01:07 Adam Yeah. All right. Do you, now do you, do you enjoy the design and aircraft and automobiles and bridges and everything?

1:01:14 Genevieve Gorder Everything, everything I see.

1:01:16 Adam All right. Favorite car. You got a favorite car?

1:01:19 Drew Oh, really?

1:01:20 Adam Hmm, that's nice. The Volkswagen. Yeah.

1:01:23 Drew All right.

1:01:24 Genevieve Gorder If I were a car, that's what I would be.

1:01:26 Drew But, but you would like the form, not necessarily the functional aspects of that.

1:01:30 Genevieve Gorder Well, form and function make, married together beautifully make a good design. To the great form and terrible function is still bad design. It has to work.

1:01:38 Adam Yeah.

1:01:38 Genevieve Gorder Has to do that.

1:01:39 Adam My car sort of works.

1:01:40 Genevieve Gorder What do you have?

1:01:41 Adam Oh, I got things, baby.

1:01:43 Drew Yeah. He's got, he's got, he's got.

1:01:44 Genevieve Gorder I got time. You can tell me.

1:01:46 Adam Oh, I got things.

1:01:47 Genevieve Gorder I saw your pacer out there.

1:01:49 Adam They come over. Come by tomorrow. You can help me.

1:01:54 Genevieve Gorder Okay. Yeah.

1:01:55 Adam Yeah, I got ideas.

1:01:56 Genevieve Gorder Got some, got some plans? If you're a contractor, I'm a designer. We could do big things.

1:02:00 Adam I know. We could get together. First off, we could have a super-hybrid child.

1:02:03 Genevieve Gorder It's your mouth breather, so it's not going to happen.

1:02:06 Drew Yeah, but with your genes and his.

1:02:08 Adam That's right. Your good looks and my genius.

1:02:11 Drew Yeah.

1:02:12 Caller Yeah, that's kind of saying. Alec.

1:02:14 Genevieve Gorder I'm an alcoholic.

1:02:15 Caller Yeah.

1:02:16 Yeah, hello?

1:02:17 Adam Bearded guy. He's moving to Canada.

1:02:19 Caller Alec?

1:02:20 Yeah.

1:02:21 Adam You're 19?

1:02:22 Caller Yeah.

1:02:23 Adam What's up?

1:02:23 Caller I have a question for Dr. Drew. Well, like my general area, what is it? I'm not like circumcised or anything, but there's like this kind of like pasty yellow thing growing and I've tried to wash it with an anti-vacterial soap and I've done anything. Should I worry or go to the doctor or something?

1:02:43 Drew It's growing or it keeps accumulating?

1:02:46 Caller Yeah, it just keeps accumulating.

1:02:48 Drew Yeah, that's nothing to worry about. Under the foreskin, you got to just keep things cleaner and dryer.

1:02:52 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, it's just discharge.

1:02:54 Adam Hit that thing with a hair dryer when you're going to get out of the shower.

1:02:59 Drew You got to pull the skin back, get things bone dry. It can be yeast, it can be debris, and it's sort of a common thing under there.

1:03:05 Caller Is there like an ointment I could use or something?

1:03:08 Drew I think if you just keep it super clean and super dry, this is the care and handling of a foreskin is what prevents that. You're 19 now, it's time to do the proper care and handling.

1:03:20 Genevieve Gorder But if it persists and it's uncomfortable, then you should definitely go see a urologist.

1:03:23 Drew Genevieve sent some time over to the sidebar.

1:03:26 Genevieve Gorder My mother's an obstetrician-gynecologist, so I know a lot of these things.

1:03:30 Caller There's a lot about foreskin.

1:03:32 Genevieve Gorder But seriously, don't be scared to go to the doctor and have it checked out. The more you know, the better you feel.

1:03:36 Adam That's right. There are no straight lines in nature except for bamboo.

1:03:39 Drew Start with fruit and cut it open.

1:03:41 Adam All right?

1:03:41 Genevieve Gorder Want to grow on.

1:03:42 Caller That's nothing to worry over, right?

1:03:45 Drew No, it's just- Now you're becoming a bogus caller, Alex.

1:03:47 Adam Yes.

1:03:47 Caller No, no, seriously, I'm not.

1:03:48 Adam Then just maintain. Well, how about doing what Dr. Drew told you to do? Hygiene.

1:03:52 Caller Okay, cool.

1:03:53 Drew Clean, peel back, bone dry with a hair dryer.

1:03:56 Genevieve Gorder If it's green, you got a problem though.

1:03:57 Drew Bone dry.

1:03:58 Adam Bone dry.

1:03:59 Caller All right.

1:03:59 Adam Let's talk to- tries to have sex with girlfriend, internet.

1:04:05 Caller It's been on hold for a long time.

1:04:07 Drew What, sphagnum? Yeah.

1:04:09 Adam It's not the discharge thing.

1:04:10 Genevieve Gorder Well, someone didn't teach him how to clean it.

1:04:12 Drew Right. Yeah. Care and handling of the foreskin.

1:04:14 Genevieve Gorder Of the baby.

1:04:14 Adam Yeah.

1:04:16 Drew That foreskin is ridiculous.

1:04:17 Adam Excellent conversation to have with your folks.

1:04:19 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, but then it decreases sensitivity.

1:04:20 Adam Yeah.

1:04:21 Drew So you don't ejaculate so quickly, which is what guys always complain about.

1:04:24 Genevieve Gorder Girls complain about too.

1:04:26 Adam There's no real opinions except for foreskin removal. I think that's how I'll remember him.

1:04:32 Genevieve Gorder It's not gross though.

1:04:33 Caller Yeah.

1:04:34 Drew No, none of these conversations are gross.

1:04:36 Caller No, foreskin.

1:04:37 Caller All right.

1:04:38 Adam I want to talk to, I just want to get rid of some poor people who have been on hold for 94 minutes such as Max.

1:04:45 Caller Max.

1:04:46 Adam Max. Max. Max, 16 year old Max.

1:04:52 Drew He vaporized.

1:04:53 Caller All right.

1:04:54 Drew You hear it.

1:04:54 Adam Huzzah. Huzzah. Let's see.

1:04:56 Drew Good night.

1:04:57 Adam All right. On hold for 48. Tori.

1:05:02 Caller Yeah.

1:05:03 Adam What's up?

1:05:04 Caller Hey, I had a question. I can't have like a boyfriend because when I find out that a guy likes me, I absolutely despise him. But when he starts to not like me and thinks I'm like a jerk or whatever, I start to like him and I can't help it.

1:05:20 Adam All right. That's what you do when you're 17.

1:05:23 Drew Yeah. Maybe some of that may be just a developmental thing. Are you OK? Have you had a tough life?

1:05:29 Caller I've had emotional issues with my dad, I guess, but that's about it.

1:05:33 Drew What happened?

1:05:34 Caller Well, when I was little, he used to like emotionally abuse me and I have an eating disorder because of him.

1:05:39 Drew OK.

1:05:40 Caller Because I didn't eat enough and he made me eat more and more. And yeah.

1:05:46 Drew Genevieve was shaking her head feverishly.

1:05:47 Genevieve Gorder Yes.

1:05:47 Drew Yes.

1:05:48 Genevieve Gorder Yes. So a confidence issue, it sounds like. Well, I think you're good enough for someone to like you.

1:05:53 Adam You could be describing just a concerned parent who wants you to eat your veggies.

1:05:58 Caller But it wasn't just like it was like they're a lot bigger than I am. I'm really small and I didn't eat fast enough for them. And if I didn't, I'd have to eat in like the bathroom while they had like their TV night or whatever. And I couldn't come out until I was done.

1:06:14 Adam I'm still not totally convinced. Are your parents still together?

1:06:17 Caller No, they're divorced. I live. I used to live with my dad and my stepmom.

1:06:21 Adam What's your dad do for a living?

1:06:23 Caller He really didn't get like a real good job because he'd have to pay child support and he didn't want to. So he kind of got paid under the table for most jobs.

1:06:33 Drew By the way, all this stuff about dad and yet she's living with dad. Where is mom? Eating disorder is usually a mom thing. So what the hell here?

1:06:41 Caller Well, I lived with him for like two years and it got really bad. And I finally called her and told her and she got like heart, like she got sole custody of me.

1:06:51 Adam Why? Listen, most little girls don't move away with dad when the parents get divorced. They stay with mom. What's up with mom? She's alcoholic, drug addict. What's up with her?

1:07:01 Caller It's just I didn't get along with her. Like we saw things very differently and she thought it'd be best to live with my dad for a while. But it didn't work out.

1:07:08 Drew No, no, no, no, no.

1:07:08 Adam Well, okay. And sorry for sounding like an a-hole, Tori, but so far it sounds like you're the one who's the pain in the ass of the group. You didn't get along with your mom. You didn't get along with your dad. Your dad wanted you to eat faster.

1:07:20 Drew Yeah. First of all, you're in denial about what's ever going on with your mom because the moms don't go, why don't you just go hang out with dad? You're a little bit tough to deal with.

1:07:27 Adam How old were you when?

1:07:29 Caller I was in fourth grade.

1:07:30 Drew No way. Something's wrong with your mom.

1:07:32 Adam Yeah. All right, hold on. We got to bash on mom. Something very wrong with mom. Most moms would, you know, you'd have to pry them from the hands of their mother.

1:07:43 Drew And to go live with an abusive a-hole dad.

1:07:45 Genevieve Gorder Send their daughter to their father.

1:07:46 Drew An a-hole dad, everyone knew was an a-hole.

1:07:48 Caller Yeah.

1:07:49 Adam And it is sort of like, well, I was Democrat, she was a Republican.

1:07:52 Drew Yeah, I didn't get to see eye to eye.

1:07:54 Adam We didn't see eye to eye.

1:07:55 Caller Yeah.

1:07:56 Adam So I moved out in the dance.

1:07:57 Drew I was eight, I was eight and we didn't see eye to eye. What are you talking about?

1:08:00 Adam Make it 10, but the point is, is out of there. Yeah, something's up with mom, obviously.

1:08:05 Drew Usually.

1:08:06 Adam And either mom was into drugs or booze or something, or mom is just not a very good person.

1:08:13 Drew There's two options for mom. Intrusive, awful narcissist that drove you away and then didn't care when you left, or a drug addict who didn't feel anything.

1:08:22 Adam I thought you were going to say secret agent or a world traveler.

1:08:24 Drew Agent 99, yes, she could be a world traveler.

1:08:27 Adam Tori?

1:08:28 Caller Yeah.

1:08:29 Adam What was, tell us the truth about your mom.

1:08:32 Caller I don't really know. She had me when she was really young, so she wasn't ready to be a mother. She just came into it, so she didn't really know how to raise me that well.

1:08:41 Drew Well, this is where your more profound emotional problem is coming from. The dad is a pain in the neck. I understand that, but you would have managed that if you'd had an adequate attachment to mom.

1:08:50 Caller Yeah.

1:08:50 Genevieve Gorder So, who are you living with right now?

1:08:53 Caller I live with my grandmother.

1:08:55 Caller Whoa.

1:08:56 Adam What's mom? What's up with mom now?

1:08:59 Caller My mom, I wanted to go to a certain high school, so I live with my grandmother, and my mom was like 15 minutes away.

1:09:05 Genevieve Gorder And that's your mother's mother?

1:09:07 Drew Yes. By the way, again, a mom worth a GD would have used mom's, grandma's address and have you living with mom.

1:09:15 Caller Yeah.

1:09:16 Drew Yeah. Something's very wrong.

1:09:19 Adam Is you sure your mom's not into drugs or something that preoccupies her?

1:09:23 Caller She doesn't go out. She is totally against it. She doesn't do anything like that.

1:09:29 Drew Is she on a bunch of psychiatric meds?

1:09:32 Caller No.

1:09:34 Genevieve Gorder What it seems like, I mean, it's obvious why she doesn't, why guys that like her, she doesn't like because it doesn't seem like either of her parents are very involved or like her.

1:09:43 Drew Right. So it would, it would, it would A, do two things. Yeah. It would expose her to a real relationship, which would be heavy. And two, it would stand out in bold relief against the kind of caretaking she actually got. Wow. Which was painful and awful. All right.

1:09:56 Adam Tori. Yeah. You should not be a fan of your dad's, but here's the thing. Your mom deserves an equal amount of your hatred as well.

1:10:06 Drew Disproportionate.

1:10:07 Adam I would say more. I don't know why people have to pick a side, you know, like, oh, I have a Declare a major in the parent department. I have a metric ton of crap to give somebody. I'm going to give it to my mom, to mom or dad. No, break it in half. Give them a thousand pounds, give them a thousand.

1:10:22 Drew You hear Adam, he gives it to both his parents all the time. And his grandmother gets a fair share. And your sister and step mom.

1:10:27 Adam It wouldn't be fair to the one I wasn't abusing.

1:10:30 Genevieve Gorder But don't focus on all the people you hate. Move on and evolve from this. If your grandma's cool, chill with Grams and move on. Let your parents do their thing. They're not helping you out.

1:10:41 Adam Yeah, here's this impossible, good words, but physically impossible.

1:10:46 Drew If you have an illness, meaning a life-threatening illness, i.e. bulimia or anorexia, make sure that's being adequately treated, okay? Yeah.

1:10:55 Adam All right, Tori, and just, here's the thing, you're 17, start making friends, rely on your female friends.

1:11:02 Drew Good.

1:11:03 Genevieve Gorder Start planning your way to college.

1:11:04 Adam Stop talking trash about them behind their back.

1:11:07 Caller I don't, I can't, I couldn't do that. I like them too much.

1:11:09 Adam Good, good. Are your friends kind of troublemakers?

1:11:12 Caller Huh?

1:11:12 Drew Are your friends troublemakers?

1:11:14 Caller No, not at all, my friends.

1:11:16 Caller All right, good.

1:11:16 Drew Good.

1:11:16 Adam Stay with your friends, don't get pregnant. Remember, all guys aren't your dad, but don't look for guys to do things for you, to make you feel a certain way. You feel good about yourself through accomplishments, school, after school stuff, friendships, college, all that stuff, not because guys want to F you.

1:11:35 Drew Huzzah.

1:11:35 Caller Huzzah. Huzzah. Good luck.

1:11:38 Adam Yeah.

1:11:40 Drew But when did, when did, two weeks ago, maybe three, our callers decided that no, not at all is the response to every question.

1:11:48 Adam Right.

1:11:48 Drew No, not at all. Not just no or, yeah, but no, not at all.

1:11:52 Adam I think they've been seeing.

1:11:52 Genevieve Gorder Oh, do you find patterns all the time? People just copy each other? Throughout the night?

1:11:57 Adam There's a weird societal, there's a weird societal sort of denial thing where, it started with the athlete in the post-game interview.

1:12:07 Caller Right.

1:12:08 Adam Donovan, you throw 11 interceptions in the first half. Do you think that, you think that hurt the team's chances of winning? No, not at all.

1:12:16 Drew And then he says, and then he repeats the question.

1:12:19 Caller I gotta say though, the interceptions probably hurt us.

1:12:21 Drew Right. That's what I call it.

1:12:22 Adam That was the first answer, is just every athlete, ever interviewed, you can't tell them anything.

1:12:27 Drew Yeah, but no, not at all. That's not even, no, absolutely not.

1:12:31 Adam No, not at all.

1:12:31 Genevieve Gorder And doesn't everyone say literally all the time, even when it doesn't mean literally?

1:12:35 Adam He literally jumped out of his skin.

1:12:37 Literally.

1:12:41 Adam Literally, I literally jumped out of my skin, literally.

1:12:43 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, that's another phase right now.

1:12:44 Adam I jumped out of my skin, literally.

1:12:46 Drew Adam is literally a millionaire, literally.

1:12:48 Genevieve Gorder It drives me crazy.

1:12:49 Adam Well, that's true. I'm literally a millionaire, but I literally jumped out of my skin and my bones, literally turned to powder.

1:12:55 Drew And you're still alive.

1:12:56 Adam And we're sucked out, we're smoked in a hookah pipe by an Indian, literally.

1:13:00 Drew I turned to porcelain.

1:13:01 Adam Literally, literally, literally.

1:13:05 Genevieve Gorder Anyone says that they get hanged up on tonight?

1:13:08 Adam I was so startled, I jumped so high, I hit my head on an airplane wing, literally, literally, literally hit my head on an airplane wing, literally, literally did it.

1:13:16 Genevieve Gorder There's no grammar anymore in these schools.

1:13:18 Adam Yeah. I know people have f-ed out literally.

1:13:21 Caller They really have.

1:13:22 Adam That doesn't mean anything anymore.

1:13:25 Drew Literally, it doesn't. Oh, oh, oh, we have to get this.

1:13:29 Adam Literally, literally crapped a buffalo.

1:13:33 Caller Literally, literally. Okay.

1:13:35 Drew Let's talk to Phoebe.

1:13:35 Caller Oh, Huzzah?

1:13:36 Adam Someone knows about Phoebe?

1:13:39 Drew All right, here we go.

1:13:40 Caller All right. I was just looking in the dictionary and Huzzah came about in like 1573, so that's earliest, and then that turned into hurrah around 1716, and then they don't have a date on hurray. It just, I don't know.

1:13:54 Genevieve Gorder We just bastardized it in America.

1:13:56 Adam Oh, hurrah turned into hurray.

1:13:58 Caller I believe.

1:13:59 Drew Did you?

1:14:00 Adam Let me say, it was hip hip huzzah.

1:14:02 Caller There we go.

1:14:03 Adam Then we screwed that into hip hip hurray.

1:14:05 Drew Hurrah.

1:14:05 Genevieve Gorder Did we say hip hip huzzah? Or was it just huzzah?

1:14:09 Adam Our founding, the founding fathers.

1:14:11 Drew They didn't say hip hip. They had hip hip huzzah. Most of them have huzzahs.

1:14:14 Caller So the huzzahs.

1:14:15 Drew Huzzahs of the general, huzzahs.

1:14:17 Adam Huzzah turned into hurrah, which turned into hurray.

1:14:20 Drew Yes.

1:14:20 Caller Exactly.

1:14:20 Drew Does it say why or how?

1:14:22 Caller Dr. Drew, something about that.

1:14:23 Drew Wait, hold on Phoebe. Does it say how or why?

1:14:26 Caller No, they don't have any information under hurray. And then where is it?

1:14:29 Drew But I mean, they have a date. They know the day, the year, the transition. Was it at a World's Fair or something? What happened?

1:14:35 Caller It says, perhaps from German, hurrah, H-U-R-A is where hurrah with H came from.

1:14:40 Genevieve Gorder I was just going to ask that.

1:14:41 Drew So in seventeenths.

1:14:41 Caller And then the hurray thing is just pretty, hold on, I have to look it back up. Well, we just heard words. But it pretty much doesn't say anything other than hurrah.

1:14:47 Drew Well, think about it. In the mid-nineteenth, mid-eighteenth century is when New York was getting settled by Germans.

1:14:52 Caller Very young.

1:14:52 Drew And maybe, and Dutch, and maybe that's where it all kind of bled in.

1:14:56 Adam Wow.

1:14:57 Caller Riveting.

1:14:58 Riveting, I know. Phoebe?

1:14:59 Drew Literally.

1:15:00 Adam Literally.

1:15:01 Caller I love these little lessons.

1:15:02 Genevieve Gorder I love these little lessons.

1:15:03 Caller Thank you.

1:15:05 Drew Phoebe, you had a question?

1:15:05 Caller Oh, I just want to wonder if things with OCD could be mistaken for anxiety disorders?

1:15:10 Drew Oh, very commonly.

1:15:11 Caller Okay, so it's possible that it's just OCD and then just...

1:15:15 Drew And vice versa. And it's hard, and bipolar gets mistaken as anxiety disorders too sometimes. And depression gets, you know, these are hard things to sort out sometimes. Depression, bipolar, bipolar manic, agitation, anxiety, OCD. There's a lot of overlap in those syndromes.

1:15:30 Caller But you were saying pretty much as long as it doesn't inhibit your daily routine.

1:15:33 Drew The OCD?

1:15:34 Caller Yeah.

1:15:36 Drew Well, if you're having enough symptoms to be thinking about it, you might want to look into it a little bit.

1:15:40 Caller Well, it's just kind of things from childhood, like weird little things, like coming up with little games, like walking to school and I have to step on the leaves on the ground, I can't step on the cement.

1:15:47 Drew Yeah.

1:15:47 Caller Just weird little crap like that.

1:15:49 Drew That's OCD. Those are OCD qualities. And OCD in our culture is something highly reinforced, right? You're obsessed about school, you're obsessed...

1:15:58 Adam I have, in high school I had BFD. I didn't care about anything, I didn't want to study.

1:16:02 Drew You still have BFD as a matter of fact. What's that Phoebe, what?

1:16:05 Caller Oh, they overreact to everything nowadays, so it's like you don't really know what to worry about, like ADD, you know? Oh, my kid is a bit...

1:16:11 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. They give you Vioxx for everything.

1:16:12 Drew No, that's right. And I think the point being is that when it starts to impair your functioning or your quality of life, that sort of thing, that's when you kind of look into it.

1:16:19 Genevieve Gorder What's the difference between OCD and anxiety? What, the symptoms, what's the difference? How do you know?

1:16:24 Drew Well, you can get anxiety over an inability to sort of act out your obsessive needs. So you get anxious because you don't get it.

1:16:31 Caller Is OCD something that's like physiologically in your brain or is it more of a nurture thing?

1:16:36 Drew Well, it's all your brain, right? It's all wiring issues in your brain. The question is how much of it is set up.

1:16:40 Adam Well, but not everything. Some things your parents abuse you.

1:16:43 Drew Correct. So the question then is how much is it merely genetics that you would have had this no matter what your environment had been growing up and how much is environment. And it's always-

1:16:51 Adam Either way, you should blame your parents.

1:16:52 Drew That's always an interplay. It's always an interplay.

1:16:54 Adam Inter-nurture.

1:16:54 Caller You pick your poison.

1:16:56 Drew Huzzah.

1:16:56 Adam All right, Phoebe, you have a child? Do you have a young child?

1:16:59 Caller But I was married for more than a year before I had her.

1:17:02 Adam Okay.

1:17:02 Caller I mean, no, there you go.

1:17:04 Adam Now you're divorced?

1:17:05 Caller Huh?

1:17:06 Adam You're still married?

1:17:07 Caller Yeah, I'm married. Happily. Very happily.

1:17:09 Adam Take it easy on that guy. Try to screw up the kid. Okay. Thank you. All right. Wow. We rarely get to hang out. Yeah. We got to hang out. She beat me.

1:17:19 Drew Well, phones don't hang up anymore. I'm imagining an old phone.

1:17:22 Adam You push a button.

1:17:22 Drew Yeah.

1:17:23 Genevieve Gorder She put them on an old rotary.

1:17:24 Adam Yeah. It really used to be able to take some aggression out on a tough phone call.

1:17:30 Drew Remember that?

1:17:31 Adam You just get.

1:17:32 Drew It would ring.

1:17:33 Caller You'd hear a bell when you get the thing.

1:17:35 Adam And then you'd get the, hello. What do you mean? No.

1:17:39 Caller Wait a minute.

1:17:39 Adam I want a second.

1:17:40 Caller Hello. Hello.

1:17:41 Adam And then you just could bang the phone.

1:17:43 Genevieve Gorder Someone's tangled in the cord.

1:17:44 Caller Yeah.

1:17:44 Adam You get tangled in the cord. You could slam it down when you're angry. Pay phones beat the crap out of a pay phone. It's punching it and whacking it with the things. Now everything's got a chip in it. It's nothing good. Nothing, you know.

1:17:57 Drew It's gratifying.

1:17:59 Adam It's nothing satisfying about all.

1:18:00 Drew You can heave it. But then what do you do?

1:18:02 Genevieve Gorder You can chuck it.

1:18:04 Adam You can. Yeah, I know. But no one has them. You can't slam down a portable phone. It doesn't work.

1:18:09 Caller It doesn't feel right.

1:18:10 Adam You know what I mean? And it would, Drew and I have talked about this in the past. We're from an era where you could punch appliances and get them to work. TV wasn't working. TV was whacking the side of it.

1:18:20 Drew That was the standard. And made that great big tinny deep, like you're banging the chest of the Tin Man.

1:18:25 Adam Yeah. Everyone was Fonzie back then. Just start banging on stuff. You know, toaster ovens and space heaters and stuff like that. Wouldn't work.

1:18:34 Caller That was my dad's job.

1:18:36 Genevieve Gorder That's the job of the dad. Hit stuff.

1:18:38 Caller Hit appliances.

1:18:40 Adam Now, you can't punch a DVD player or plasma screen TV or some oven that cooks with solar panels and convection swirl reduction system. You can't punch anything anymore.

1:18:56 Genevieve Gorder So what are you punching?

1:18:57 Adam You got to punch your old lady. I know it's not popular. I know it's not a popular thing to save. I'm trying to be honest. I get mad at the TV, I call my old lady over. I punch her, she punches the TV. That's how it works. We'll take ourselves a little break.

1:19:16 Genevieve Gorder I think we need one.

1:19:17 Caller Yeah.

1:19:17 Adam We'll be right back after this.

1:19:19 Hello, this is your radio. Love Line will be right back.

1:19:44 Genevieve Gorder Hey, everybody, it's Loveline.

1:19:45 Caller I'm Adam.

1:19:45 Adam That's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1-R. Genevieve Gorder here tonight from Town Hall, which is on TLC, 10 o'clock, Saturday nights.

1:19:58 Genevieve Gorder Thanks for having me.

1:19:59 Adam Our pleasure. And so Trading Spaces, is that through or is there more?

1:20:10 Genevieve Gorder It's still going. It keeps going.

1:20:13 Adam For you?

1:20:14 Genevieve Gorder For me, it's a very once in a while thing.

1:20:17 Adam Right.

1:20:17 Genevieve Gorder Once in a while. They're like family to me. I mean, you know, I'm on the same network, so it's not really a big hassle. It's so easy now that I'm designing and restoring entire towns.

1:20:29 Caller Yeah. I guess there's a lot of...

1:20:31 Genevieve Gorder Doing a living room is like I could do in my sleep.

1:20:34 Caller Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:35 Adam Drew, you ever do a town?

1:20:37 Caller Oh, sure.

1:20:38 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. I could tell Drew has been up to it.

1:20:40 Caller Yeah.

1:20:40 Drew I've designed.

1:20:41 Adam Drew's got no artistic flair at all.

1:20:43 Genevieve Gorder Drew's a left-brainer.

1:20:45 Adam I appreciate it.

1:20:46 Drew Yeah. I appreciate it.

1:20:47 Adam He does know...

1:20:48 Genevieve Gorder You're an enthusiast.

1:20:50 Drew Just can't create it. No, no. I am.

1:20:52 Adam No, he...

1:20:53 Drew An enthusiast. Can you think about me with cars and cars and stuff?

1:20:57 Adam But an enthusiast would go get something. You appreciate enthusiastically.

1:21:04 Genevieve Gorder They'd be a collector. Yeah.

1:21:06 Drew Yeah. I appreciate it.

1:21:07 Genevieve Gorder You would dig it, Adam. It's all restorative, kind of revitalizing these old historical communities.

1:21:13 Adam I'm into that.

1:21:14 Genevieve Gorder You would just, you would dig it. It's really, really, really fun.

1:21:18 Caller Yeah.

1:21:18 Genevieve Gorder The stuff you find under all these towns that have covered themselves up in the 60s with vinyl siding.

1:21:23 Adam Yeah.

1:21:23 Genevieve Gorder It's like little jewels, like your house.

1:21:25 Caller Yeah.

1:21:26 Drew See, we get angry when we see that stuff.

1:21:27 Genevieve Gorder Oh, that's why I did the show. It was making me mad and the imposters.

1:21:31 Caller Yeah.

1:21:32 Adam The imposters, like Ty Pennington.

1:21:34 Genevieve Gorder He's not an imposter.

1:21:35 Adam Yes, he is an imposter, everybody. Not a carpenter. Not, not, not a carpenter.

1:21:43 Genevieve Gorder He can build good stuff, though. I have to say. You have to see it. You didn't see it. You had him here in a radio studio.

1:21:49 Adam You saw him. He could fire up a table saw and make something.

1:21:52 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, he can. I worked with him for several years. I'm not. Oops, I swore. Sorry.

1:21:58 Caller Anderson, that was it. Really?

1:22:00 Adam Seeing him make stuff out of that, make cabinets? You think he'd do like kitchen cabinets?

1:22:05 Genevieve Gorder Yeah.

1:22:05 Caller Yeah?

1:22:07 Genevieve Gorder He can. Honestly, I would tell you if it wasn't true.

1:22:10 Drew Could he do drawers?

1:22:11 Genevieve Gorder Yes.

1:22:12 Adam Seen him make drawers?

1:22:13 Genevieve Gorder I've seen him make drawers.

1:22:15 Drew He made drawers for me.

1:22:16 Adam You think he knows the difference between a dado and a rabbit?

1:22:20 Genevieve Gorder See, I can't answer that question.

1:22:21 Caller All right.

1:22:23 Adam Defend her friend.

1:22:25 Caller All right.

1:22:25 Caller Chris.

1:22:26 Caller All right. Where are we going?

1:22:27 Genevieve Gorder No more cussing.

1:22:27 Caller Chris.

1:22:28 Caller Yeah.

1:22:29 Genevieve Gorder Sorry.

1:22:30 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, I'm here. Yeah.

1:22:34 Adam Came on to the show. Didn't know door height, though. Didn't know six, eight. Didn't know door height.

1:22:39 Genevieve Gorder Eight foot.

1:22:42 Adam Eight is 80 inches, but it's six, eight.

1:22:44 Genevieve Gorder Okay.

1:22:44 Adam Eight foot's the ceiling. Let's see. You're a designer.

1:22:47 Genevieve Gorder I'm a designer. I'm not a builder.

1:22:49 Adam No kidding. But Ty Pennington.

1:22:52 Genevieve Gorder He's not a builder either.

1:22:53 Caller Yeah.

1:22:54 Adam And I say huzzah to him being not a builder.

1:22:57 Caller Look at that right now.

1:22:58 Genevieve Gorder You got a beef with Ty Pennington.

1:23:00 Caller Wow.

1:23:00 Drew It's just a monster.

1:23:01 Adam Everyone thinks he's a carpenter.

1:23:04 Genevieve Gorder He can really build stuff. Seriously.

1:23:06 Adam He built, that's chick stuff. He can't build a house.

1:23:08 Caller He builds a house.

1:23:09 Genevieve Gorder But he doesn't build a house.

1:23:11 Adam In the TV show, he builds a house.

1:23:12 Genevieve Gorder All those other people build the house.

1:23:14 Adam I know.

1:23:15 Caller There we go.

1:23:15 Adam Chris.

1:23:16 Drew 26.

1:23:17 Adam Sour grapes.

1:23:18 Genevieve Gorder I want to try and stump you, Adam.

1:23:20 Caller Go ahead.

1:23:21 Genevieve Gorder All right. What's a collar tie in a house?

1:23:25 Caller Collar tie.

1:23:27 Adam Let's see. I'm going to figure out what a collar tie is.

1:23:34 Drew Sounds like what you did to your first house to sort of shore up the walls.

1:23:37 Caller Yeah.

1:23:39 Adam No help from the peanut butter.

1:23:40 Genevieve Gorder Is it something you used to put siding on?

1:23:43 Adam No. A collar tie is used in framing. Yeah. They have, you know, like, Joyce hangers, Tico clips, and a collar tie would be like a hurricane strap that helps.

1:24:01 Genevieve Gorder You're close. You're right.

1:24:02 Adam You're right by the joists. All right. Who makes them? Simpson?

1:24:10 Genevieve Gorder No, no, no. You're kind of... You're talking about a hurricane strap for your sheer wall.

1:24:15 Caller Yeah.

1:24:17 Genevieve Gorder What a collar tie is, is when you have your ridge beam and then you have your roof rafters, if you want a volume ceiling on the inside, you have to have some type, instead of having a lower ceiling joist that sits on top of your top plate, it's higher up and it kind of...

1:24:31 Caller Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:24:32 Adam I got, yeah, I got two of them in my house and the other one I needed wanted.

1:24:38 Caller The collar tie, if you got a...

1:24:40 Drew A-frame.

1:24:41 Adam Okay, yeah, if you got a roof, you got a...

1:24:44 Drew Pitch roof.

1:24:45 Adam You got a pitch roof, but it's exposed from the inside.

1:24:48 Drew Yeah.

1:24:49 Adam It's a cathedral style.

1:24:50 Drew Yeah.

1:24:50 Genevieve Gorder Collar ties at the peak?

1:24:51 Adam Collar, no, at the top is a ridge rafter. The collar tie goes at the top of... If you had, okay, if you had a truss set up, you would have, you would have a, essentially a joist going across. Now the top's a rafter, and then you have a joist going across on top of the top plate. Collar tie, you know my house, Drew? You know those metal things?

1:25:15 Drew Yes, yes.

1:25:15 Adam That stop the walls from spreading?

1:25:17 Drew Yes.

1:25:18 Adam That would be a collar tie. Really?

1:25:20 Genevieve Gorder So were you stumped or not? I kind of sensed a little hesitation.

1:25:23 Adam I kind of, I kind of was, although collar tie is really a piece of wood.

1:25:28 Drew But that's a metal one.

1:25:28 Adam It can also be metal, but it can be a piece of wood too.

1:25:31 Genevieve Gorder Huzzah, let's go to the next question.

1:25:33 Adam Collar tie would basically be the bottom of a truss system, right?

1:25:38 Genevieve Gorder Well, trusses are, yeah, yeah, I guess it would because the trusses are made by those different kinds of trusses, there's scissor truss, there's all these different trusses.

1:25:44 Drew Hey Chris, you had another question. All right, there we go.

1:25:45 Adam All right, I'll go that as a stump, but I knew what it was.

1:25:47 Drew It's pretty good. Well done, well done.

1:25:49 Genevieve Gorder Huzzah.

1:25:49 Caller Huzzah. Huzzah. What's up?

1:25:52 Genevieve Gorder All right, for a while now, I've been waking up in the middle of the night without me knowing, well, I guess, like asleep, trying to get with my girlfriend. And like she'll wake up and she'll be like trying to wake me up. And I'm like, I'm not trying to rape her, but I'm trying to like have sex with her. And I'm asleep.

1:26:08 Drew Yeah.

1:26:08 Genevieve Gorder And I do not, I do not wake up at all. And now my previous relationship, I mean, that was a long, long relationship. She would tell me I did the same thing, but I never believed her.

1:26:17 Drew Are you, are you drinking when these episodes happen?

1:26:19 Genevieve Gorder I completely sober. I don't drink.

1:26:21 Drew I don't have you. Do you have a history of waking up sort of screaming in the middle of the night when you were younger or even?

1:26:25 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, I do. I do do that.

1:26:27 Drew Yeah, this is in the family of night terrors, these experiences you have, and they're not all that uncommon, and people sometimes get up and tear the room apart. I was talking to psychiatrists about this the other day. You were? Yeah, a patient was doing this, and it gets worse when they drink, but we were saying maybe this is where The Wives Tale comes about. You don't want to wake somebody up when they're sleepwalking because they get crazy, they get wild, they'll hurt themselves, they'll hurt somebody else.

1:26:51 Adam Because it's funny to watch them sleepwalk. I mean, don't want to screw that up.

1:26:54 Drew But they will get violent. They're confused, they get violent and agitate and stuff very easily because they're not awake. And so that's why it freaks the girlfriend out because you can get kind of aggressive about it, and you try to commit a violent crime.

1:27:06 Genevieve Gorder What does it stem from, though? How do you...

1:27:07 Drew It's usually childhood trauma stuff, and it has a seizure-like quality to it. Sometimes anti-epileptic medication works, trazodone works at nighttime. There's some medicines you can take at bedtime to stop this. Okay? Yeah.

1:27:19 Adam All right, Chris, come on. One more stumper.

1:27:20 Drew Wait, wait, wait. I want you to tell Genevieve...

1:27:22 Adam No more home improvement.

1:27:22 Drew Wait, wait, wait. Genevieve has to understand...

1:27:24 Adam Genevieve has burnt out on home improvement.

1:27:25 Drew She has to understand that Chris nearly committed a violent crime on his girlfriend. A violent crime. I was doing an interview with somebody this evening who brought that up. He goes, well, rape is a violent crime. We're always taught it's a violent crime.

1:27:38 Adam Well, it is a violent crime, but they say it's not a sexual crime.

1:27:43 Drew Right.

1:27:43 Adam It's a violent crime.

1:27:45 Drew Hang on a second, Chris.

1:27:46 Adam No, I'm not going into it.

1:27:47 Drew Oh, please. You got to shut the door. Come on, Chris.

1:27:50 Genevieve Gorder Yeah. I got to go. Let me elaborate on a little more. She says she's tried to wake me up and my eyes. She looks at me and my eyes are closed.

1:27:58 Genevieve Gorder Right. And do you say anything to her when she's telling you this? Like, no, does she say?

1:28:02 Genevieve Gorder No, I don't say anything. And she's like, sometimes she because she sometimes I wake up and I'm like, I'll be kissing her. And then she'll kind of like, oh, she'll like that. I'm kissing her. And we and then we have sex. But then like that's kind of like halfway awake. And then I'll be I'll go right back to sleep.

1:28:16 Adam And then she's laughing, she's jovial.

1:28:20 Genevieve Gorder Last night, I had she had tried to wake me up. And like sometimes I'll wake up and my clothes are off. And I'll be like, how did this happen? I won't even know what's going on. I'll be like, did you take off my shirt? And she's like, no, I didn't.

1:28:31 Drew Oh, Chris, that changes everything. That's a totally different story than what I just explained to you for 10 minutes.

1:28:35 Caller All right. Having a good time. All right.

1:28:37 Adam Anymore framing stumpers, Chris?

1:28:40 Genevieve Gorder OK, what's a cricket?

1:28:42 Adam Oh, cricket wall?

1:28:44 Genevieve Gorder No, no, what's a cricket on a roof?

1:28:46 Adam I would... that is the studs that's underneath the like the gable at the end, at the end of the wall.

1:28:56 Genevieve Gorder No.

1:28:57 Genevieve Gorder Is he wrong?

1:28:58 Genevieve Gorder It's where you make like a little mini roof, where you know on a roof where the water won't shed off.

1:29:04 Adam I mean like a parapet wall?

1:29:08 Genevieve Gorder No, you kind of have to make like a little like, let's say for instance, like a little hump to make the water flow into a certain...

1:29:15 Drew Sounds like what you're describing.

1:29:17 Genevieve Gorder I think you just got stumped by a sleepwalker.

1:29:18 Adam I think it's also a cricket. I think the cricket too is that the framing on top of the top plate at the end of like a pointed roof on a gable wall too. I think that... I think you can classify that as a cricket wall too.

1:29:30 Caller You're saying to move the wall around. All right, everybody.

1:29:33 Drew Well done, Chris.

1:29:33 Caller Huzzah.

1:29:34 Genevieve Gorder Genevieve.

1:29:35 Genevieve Gorder Yes.

1:29:36 Genevieve Gorder Okay. You know what you were saying about how you have design or not? I just graduated. I got an architectural degree. And when you go through college for five years and all this kind of stuff for learning design, they don't teach you design. They never say that this is how it is. It's kind of like you have to learn yourself.

1:29:52 Genevieve Gorder Especially with architecture.

1:29:53 Genevieve Gorder It's really like an open-ended question.

1:29:56 Genevieve Gorder It is something you have to feel and you have to have, you know, an intuitive sense about it. But I think especially with architecture students, it's so important to integrate design into your learnings because you're going to be working with designers for the rest of your life, too, if you're going to be in architecture. But you know, all I can say is...

1:30:14 Genevieve Gorder It's really one of those things like, you know, you find yourself fighting with... The teachers don't tell you anything. The professors don't tell you. You have to find it your own way. And that's kind of like either have it or you don't, like Adam was saying.

1:30:24 Genevieve Gorder Because the teachers want to have a reason for being there, saying there's a right way to do it or wrong way. And I'm going to teach you how to do it. That kind of validates their position. And you have to have guidance. But you're right. You have to be told that it has to come from within. And then you have to find your own way. Huzzah. Huzzah.

1:30:39 Caller Yeah, I'm here. I have the definite final answer out of the QPB Word and Phrase Origin Book.

1:30:45 Drew Oh, yeah. I've seen that on Webster. Oh, really? Yeah.

1:30:48 Caller This starts with the initials of the Latin words, hirs solum est perdita, which means Jerusalem is destroyed. And it's like three sentences, so bear with me. German nights, not a very bright bunch, were supposed to have known this and shouted hip hip when they hunted Jews in the persecutions of the Middle Ages. Hurrah, by the same imagine, is said to be a corruption of the Slavonic word for paradise, haraj. Therefore, if you shout hip hip hurrah, you're supposedly saying Jerusalem is destroyed, or the infidels are destroyed, and we are on the road to paradise. The phrase doesn't date back earlier than the 18th century. And the exclamation hip hip hip, also, or huzzah, an imitative sound expression of joy and enthusiasm.

1:31:40 Adam So huzzah is an imitative sound expression.

1:31:42 Caller Yes.

1:31:42 Drew So hip hip hurrah is...

1:31:45 Genevieve Gorder We shouldn't be saying it anymore.

1:31:46 Adam We shouldn't be saying it. We're hunting Jews.

1:31:48 Drew It's a genocidal call to action.

1:31:52 Caller It's the most politically incorrect thing, I think, you could possibly say, but yeah, it dates back to German knights who didn't quite get what they were saying.

1:32:01 Caller Wow. All right.

1:32:03 Genevieve Gorder I don't think we got it either.

1:32:04 Adam Thanks, John.

1:32:05 Genevieve Gorder No more huzzahs or hurrahs.

1:32:06 Caller Good times, though, huh?

1:32:07 Adam Yeah, great times. Good work there. Been boisy.

1:32:10 Genevieve Gorder I think we should just say a word.

1:32:12 Adam We're going to take ourselves a little break. Genevieve Gorder here tonight from Town Hall, Saturday, Saturday nights, 10 o'clock on TLC. And we'll be right back after this.

1:32:26 Caller Loveline, Loveline, with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:32:30 Caller We'll be right back.

1:32:44 Caller Yeah, buddy, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew.

1:32:50 Adam Is it Thursday already?

1:32:52 Caller Yep.

1:32:53 Adam Wow.

1:32:53 Drew Nice.

1:32:54 Adam Yeah, that's our Friday, everyone.

1:32:55 Drew It's good times. I'm going to see you on Sunday for our winner, another winner to pay the tsunami crisis.

1:33:02 Caller Yeah.

1:33:03 Adam What are we doing?

1:33:04 Drew We're going to your restaurant.

1:33:05 Caller Oh, we are?

1:33:05 Drew Yeah, 8 o'clock.

1:33:06 Genevieve Gorder Thanks for telling me you had a restaurant.

1:33:08 Adam We didn't have that 100th ownership.

1:33:12 Drew That's literally his, literally.

1:33:13 Caller Yeah.

1:33:15 Adam No, I don't. I didn't know we're doing that this.

1:33:20 Drew 8 o'clock Sunday.

1:33:21 Adam 8 o'clock Sunday. We haven't talked about this, have we? Nobody's talked about it, have they?

1:33:26 Drew I don't know where I picked it up. I got it.

1:33:27 Adam All right. Somebody should tell me. Thanks.

1:33:29 Drew It'd be a good thing.

1:33:30 Adam All right. Well, you'll not be there. People are listening, but you'll be there Sunday night.

1:33:36 Drew You'll meet Tom Burbine, who's the Mount Holyoke astrophysicist who spent his entire month's summer salary on coming out here.

1:33:43 Adam God bless him. Genevieve Gorder, I should say, here tonight from, wait a minute, Town Hall.

1:33:50 Genevieve Gorder Town Hall, Gorder.

1:33:51 Adam Yeah, I got the house.

1:33:52 Genevieve Gorder On TLC Saturday nights.

1:33:53 Adam That's right, 10 o'clock. All right. Let's get back to a couple of phone calls here. Speak to Anna, who's 23. Anna?

1:34:02 Hi.

1:34:02 Adam What's up?

1:34:03 Yeah, I'm just wondering if it's possible to have postpartum depression if you're not actually a biological parent, I mean, as a nanny.

1:34:12 Drew No, that the postpartum depression is specifically a biological response to the profound hormonal and biological changes of pregnancy. So you can't, now if you're around somebody with postpartum depression, you can get pulled into the, I mean, depression can be sort of, let's call it contagious, for lack of a better word. And there's no doubt that the stress of child rearing can cause people depression and it being around babies can be very evocative of any deficiencies of your own childhood and pull you into depression.

1:34:40 Okay, yeah, I wasn't really sure.

1:34:41 Adam So what, you have to leave children you've been nannying for?

1:34:46 No, I'm not, I'm not, no plan on leaving them anytime soon, but my boss just had a new baby and it's just been really overwhelming and I've noticed that I've started to feel really depressed and kind of well overwhelmed, it's hard.

1:35:03 Drew Well, that's not postpartum, that's just being overwhelmed.

1:35:05 Adam Yeah, it's a nanny and somebody threw another, you were juggling three balls, someone threw a fourth one in there.

1:35:11 Yeah, definitely, definitely. I was just talking to a friend of mine and she was like, kind of joking around, she was like, oh, you probably have postpartum depression, I was wondering if that's actually possible.

1:35:20 Drew No, but if the mom has postpartum depression, you could sort of get pulled into it.

1:35:24 Adam How's the nanny stuff work? Is that a cool gig?

1:35:28 It's a lot of fun. And it has its ups and downs, definitely. It's hard to kind of...

1:35:34 Adam I would make my nanny wear a cape. Remember Phoebe Figuerlilli from Nanny and the Professor? Yes. She actually had like a cape. She was a proper nanny. Nobody wears capes anymore. I would make her wear a cape. Well, I don't know if it was a cape, but it was like a poncho-y cape-y thing.

1:35:50 Drew I'd make her wear an umbrella with a parrot head on it, and a little pill hat.

1:35:55 Genevieve Gorder Why did you become a nanny?

1:35:57 Well, I started a few years ago just to move. I went out to New York for a while, and I thought it would be fun. I don't know. I've always been around children. I come from a really large family.

1:36:09 Genevieve Gorder Are you the oldest?

1:36:10 No, I am the third of seven.

1:36:14 Drew And again, whatever deficiencies that result from having been a part of such a big family may be sort of being evoked again here.

1:36:23 Adam All right.

1:36:23 Caller All right.

1:36:24 Adam Well, anyway, so if you have depression, postpartum depression, it's just depression.

1:36:28 Caller Right.

1:36:30 Adam Okay. I say you get a cape. And remember naming the professor, she would wear a cape and she'd wear like a, almost like a English writing type of hard hat.

1:36:42 Drew Yes. Without the bill.

1:36:44 Adam Yeah. Yeah.

1:36:45 Genevieve Gorder Just a little dome.

1:36:46 Adam It was hot. It might have had a little bill on it. She was very English, super smoking hot.

1:36:50 Genevieve Gorder Good teeth?

1:36:52 Adam No, she had good teeth for it. No, she was hot. Remember when she dug her?

1:36:58 Drew Is it with Jeannie? Bewitched?

1:37:01 Adam Yeah.

1:37:02 Drew And then Nanny?

1:37:03 Adam Yeah. And then spilled into Wonder Woman for me.

1:37:05 Caller Oh, of course.

1:37:06 Adam And then Charlie's Angels.

1:37:08 Caller Oh yeah.

1:37:09 Genevieve Gorder Wonder Woman was hot.

1:37:11 Adam Now it's the Powder Puff Girls.

1:37:12 Caller Yeah.

1:37:13 Adam Yeah. A big animation.

1:37:14 Genevieve Gorder I lost you on that one.

1:37:15 Adam Yeah.

1:37:15 Caller Wow.

1:37:16 Adam You could catch up. Sarah?

1:37:18 Genevieve Gorder Try again.

1:37:19 Caller This is her boyfriend. She wanted me to talk to you.

1:37:21 Adam All right. 21. Or however old. How old are you?

1:37:26 Caller I'm 24. She's 21.

1:37:28 Adam What's your name?

1:37:30 Caller My name's Mike.

1:37:31 Adam All right.

1:37:31 Drew Here we go.

1:37:33 Caller Well, we found out she was pregnant, and we decided on having an abortion, and it's kind of been a really bad situation for the both of us all together. Her parents flipped out and called her nasty and told me to get out of her life, and we ended up going through with it, and we got the MIFEPREX and the Cytotec and did the medical abortion.

1:37:56 Drew Yeah.

1:37:57 Caller And she was bleeding really heavily after that.

1:38:00 Adam So what is the Cytotec?

1:38:03 Drew It's the MIFEPRISCONE and the Cytotec.

1:38:07 Adam It's the chemical stuff?

1:38:10 Caller And we went back a couple of days after that, and they had to do the surgical abortion to stop the bleeding because she was bleeding too heavy. And just tonight we had an extra pregnancy test laying around, and I told her for the hell of it, take it, and it came back positive.

1:38:28 Drew Well, it makes you wonder whether there's still some retained stuff in there. I don't know off the top of my head the half-life, but what that test for is beta-HCG, which is something produced by the placenta. And I'm not sure how long that stays in your system after the products of conception are removed, but it does make you worry that maybe there's a remaining tubal pregnancy or something left behind in the uterus. So you had to call and ask them, I don't know the half-life of the beta-HCG offhand.

1:38:56 Caller We wanted to thank you too because part of the reason we were smart enough to make our decision was from listening to you for a long time.

1:39:02 Adam Drew loves abortion.

1:39:04 Drew No, I don't.

1:39:05 Adam He's got a shirt that says I heart and it says abortion.

1:39:08 Drew I heart adoption.

1:39:10 Adam Yeah, except for it's spelled out abortion.

1:39:13 Caller He wanted it to say abortion.

1:39:15 Drew You guys are screwing me up.

1:39:17 Genevieve Gorder Do you guys have a planned parenthood close to where you live?

1:39:20 Caller Actually, that's where we went and we're dissatisfied with the way they are down there.

1:39:26 Genevieve Gorder Really? Because I was just going to say if you just need a free check up or a good place to go.

1:39:32 Adam But it's basically free, right? I mean, you know.

1:39:35 Caller Well, it costed 450 bucks.

1:39:39 Genevieve Gorder Well, not for a check up, though.

1:39:41 Caller Oh, well, I don't know about that. That's not what we want.

1:39:43 Adam Abortion run for I could have got you same abortion for 375. Same abortion. Same one, literally. You got to shop it around. Plus, I could have chewed them down to 350. I could have done that. Drew, you would have been in there. You would have been like 450.

1:39:58 Caller I'll do it myself. Come on. I'll give you 400 cash.

1:40:02 Adam Cash on the barrel. Come on, sweetie.

1:40:04 Caller Be quiet.

1:40:04 Adam Let me do it. Yeah. You're haggling. Is that is that is that poor taste, by the way?

1:40:10 Caller Yeah.

1:40:11 Adam All right. All right. So, Mike, next time, don't tell her parents you're pregnant until you figure out, you know, whether you want to get the abortion or not.

1:40:21 Genevieve Gorder You guys are also 21 and 24, so it's really your business.

1:40:25 Adam Right.

1:40:26 Caller Yeah.

1:40:27 Caller That's what we found out the hard way.

1:40:29 Adam All right. I just I got to say hi to Shannon. She's been on hold for a thousand years. Shannon.

1:40:36 Drew She has to trust in these things.

1:40:38 Adam Twenty-two year old internet boyfriend says she's I think she's 20.

1:40:42 Drew She's actually 16. Tell him the truth.

1:40:44 Adam Oh, OK.

1:40:45 Drew Becoming an illegal situation.

1:40:47 Adam Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then and, you know, the guy can go to jail. I don't know how they do that, by the way.

1:40:53 Drew Go to jail without knowing that he was with a minor.

1:40:56 Adam I know it happens all the time.

1:40:58 Genevieve Gorder Having contact on the internet.

1:40:59 Adam But no, from actually having physical contact when they meet at the mall in three weeks.

1:41:05 Drew Unknowingly really believing guys get busted.

1:41:07 Adam It's like, look, she's she's a sea cop. She's wearing lip gloss and she said she was in junior college.

1:41:13 Genevieve Gorder And she's got a fake ID.

1:41:14 Adam Yeah.

1:41:15 Genevieve Gorder Yeah.

1:41:16 Adam You should have cut her open and counted the rings or you should have asked for a person.

1:41:19 Drew What pop culture?

1:41:21 Genevieve Gorder You got a quiz on the only way you can know how old they are for real.

1:41:23 Adam That's right. Yeah. What was the name of the actress that played Blossom?

1:41:29 Genevieve Gorder Oh, yeah.

1:41:30 Drew You can't come up with like a mya biola.

1:41:33 Adam You can't come up with that, sweetie. You ain't getting on board.

1:41:36 Genevieve Gorder Yeah, that's the secret.

1:41:37 Adam That's how I do it. I have to keep moving it.

1:41:39 Drew She was in medical school by now.

1:41:40 Adam Yeah, it used to be.

1:41:42 Drew Seriously, she was.

1:41:44 Adam Used to be questions about MacArthur in the Philippines. Now, it's mya biola.

1:41:49 Genevieve Gorder You're dating yourself.

1:41:50 Adam I know. Let's take a break. We'll be right back.

1:41:52 Caller All right, guys. Here's the deal. Look in the hookup.

1:41:55 Drew Call the Dateline.

1:41:56 Caller Stick a waste in time with the wrong person.

1:41:57 Drew Call the Dateline.

1:41:58 Caller One call is all you need to make.

1:42:00 Genevieve Gorder Call the Dateline.

1:42:01 Caller 1-877-889.

1:42:06 Caller If you need help.

1:42:08 Caller Call Loveline.

1:42:10 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

1:42:21 Adam Explain life to Genevieve.

1:42:23 Drew Where's the name of the winner? Terry Field, Las Vegas.

1:42:27 Adam God bless you, buddy. You got yourself an iPod. Town Hall, everybody. 10 o'clock, TLC, Saturday night. Go out and watch that. A delight, Genevieve. Thank you.

1:42:39 Genevieve Gorder It's a pleasure being here tonight.

1:42:40 Adam Huzzah. Our pleasure, and huzzah. I want to thank engineer Anderson for doing a great job, engineer Chris for doing a great job, engineer Michelle for doing a great job. I want to thank producer Anne and junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, junior, producer Lauren for doing a great job. And I don't know if you're keeping track, but I knocked like 11 juniors off from last week. So she's really working way up. 170 people between her and producer Anne now. And Brian for doing a great job on the phones. And if I haven't, thank you. Corey?

1:43:16 Drew Wasn't Corey on the phones? Who else was on the phones this week?

1:43:18 Adam That was last week. Thanks Drew. So until next time, it's Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying, Mahalo.

1:43:23 Genevieve Gorder It kind of dirties the language a little bit.

1:43:27 Caller Suck that schnitzel good.

1:43:29 Caller Yeah, yeah, it's hot.

1:43:33 Genevieve Gorder This has been Loveline.

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