Episode 1000610364592

0:52 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience.

0:54 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content.

1:03 Adam Hey everybody, it's Loveline and I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-191. Dr. Drew, Board Certified Physician, Dixon Medicine Specialist. Tonight, from Survivor, Jerri Manthey here. Favorite show. Let me say this about Jerri, as I was saying to Drew yesterday.

1:23 Drew Did you hear what I was saying in the previous show? Could you hear? He didn't, by the way. I'm sorry. I didn't hear what Drew was saying. I want to see if you say what I think you're going to say.

1:33 Adam Well, lesbian? No.

1:38 Wishful thinking, I think.

1:40 Adam Well, women always say guys wish they were lesbians, but really if you think about it, what's in it for us? I mean, if we got to watch, but we'd rather have sex with you.

1:50 Drew Yeah, but you're more lucky to watch her with another woman.

1:52 Adam Oh, then to have sex.

1:56 Interesting.

1:56 Adam You're a lesbian.

1:57 You're the first person who's brought that up. And I'm not, by the way.

2:01 Adam No, you don't have any of that. Yeah, maybe a little too hetero.

2:06 Maybe.

2:07 Adam You're scaring Drew. Drew's a man of extreme passion. Is he your type?

2:11 I've heard that about you.

2:13 Adam Really?

2:14 But you're married, aren't you?

2:15 Adam Yeah, but enough passion for more than one woman. Really? Oh, yes.

2:22 Are you trying to pawn him off?

2:24 Adam No, I'm just saying, you know, usually between Drew and myself, we have the types covered.

2:30 Drew There's a wide enough spectrum represented here?

2:34 Adam Yeah, I mean, you know, everyone falls somewhere in between us pretty much. I mean, most white guys, wouldn't you say?

2:43 Drew Somewhere, yeah, where ends of the spectrum.

2:45 I think intelligence is very sexy.

2:47 Adam Yeah, see, that's what people don't know about Drew.

2:50 Drew That Adam's intelligent.

2:52 Adam They don't know how much smarter I am than Drew. All right, Drew, you want to back me up?

2:58 Drew You're having a rare, it's not even an intellect, instinct.

3:04 Adam Thank you.

3:04 Drew Rare.

3:04 Adam Thank you. I'm like a cat. I like to nap and urinate on things to mark them.

3:10 Drew Oh, man.

3:11 Adam All right, so let me talk about Survivor for a second. First, no, here's what I wanted to say about Jerri. Jerri was on The Australian Survivor, got a rap, is being a little bit of a drama queen and came in here and I saw Jerri.

3:26 Caller That's a nice way to put it, by the way.

3:28 Adam I saw her on other shows. She came on our show and Jerri's thing was, look, it's all in the editing. It wasn't that bad, but it's how they cut it together. But it still struck me that you were closer to the person that was portrayed in the first one than you are now. It seems you've had some sort of renaissance or something. You seem more laid back, you're more comfortable.

3:52 Drew Now, your thoughts on the All-Star.

3:54 Adam All-Star? Well, here's an interesting one.

3:58 Caller Hippophany, I see the light over there.

4:00 Adam Well, people went different directions like Mr. Humble Colby, for instance, who was just sort of a boy next door and the most humble guy in the world, was a little bit cocky. I know, you spin. He seemed cockier in the second one. You seem much more humble, much more open, much more friendly, much different than you did in the first one. And in general, I've seen you and heard you on some radio shows and seen you on other programs and stuff like that. In general, you seem like someone who's in a better mood than you were two and a half, three years ago. Is that true?

4:35 Caller I've grown a lot since then.

4:36 Adam Have you?

4:37 Caller Yeah. I mean, OK, first of all, I've never blamed the editing. I never said it's all the editing. I don't mean all the editing. I know I gave in plenty of material the first time out. I was very cranky. And I honestly had no idea that hunger was going to affect me the way it did and lack of sleep.

4:53 Adam Sure.

4:54 Caller So this time I was more prepared. But I was also going into the situation knowing the reaction that I got last time from people. It was so harsh. People said horrible things about me. And I had a lot of time to evaluate my personality. And I knew there were things about myself. Like I have a very low tolerance for stupidity and very little patience with people sometimes. So I worked on those things over the last couple of years.

5:23 Separated birth, in fact.

5:26 Adam But see, this is a great message to send to the kids, which is take a look at things. Take a look at things. When people have complaints, don't immediately shut them down and label them as jealous or vengeful or something like that. Say, well, maybe if ten people come up to you and say they don't like your hair, perhaps it's time for a new hairstylist instead of labeling them all stupid. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about everybody. But what Jerri did is...

5:55 Caller If it's hair, I don't agree.

5:57 Adam Forget about hair. Well, ten people really all tell me how bad it looks.

6:01 Caller If it's your choice to have that hairstyle, then wear it well.

6:05 Adam Yeah, but you're only doing it to please people. Please just admit that, ladies. Here's my point. If enough people draw consensus about you, whether they're right or wrong, that's what people think. And if you don't want them to think that, then you have to alter something. But I'm paying you a compliment in a sort of roundabout way, which is...

6:26 Drew In fact, for us, it's a high compliment. The plasticity and the openness, those are high compliments.

6:32 Adam Jerri is a person that probably had a hundred good things and three bad things and fixed the three bad things. Or maybe two and a half of them.

6:42 Caller I've worked very hard on myself.

6:44 Adam Yeah, you really come across much differently than you did a couple years ago.

6:48 Caller And I allowed myself to be more vulnerable this time. The first time out, you know, reality TV hadn't really hit. And so I didn't understand and a lot of us didn't how it worked. And so my whole thing was to go in and be tough and to put on my game face and to be, you know, not let anybody see me get be hurt or be down.

7:09 Drew And this time, that's what they want to see.

7:11 Caller Yeah, this time I went in and I said, you know what, I'm a human being. And there are times when I'm going to I'm going to need the company of other people.

7:19 Adam Well, there was I'll tell you, there was the best I'd say your best work was they had to build a shelter. True doesn't care for the show. So I have to I have to fill them in on it, but I'm a huge fan.

7:32 Caller This is where the stupidity part comes.

7:34 Adam They had to build a shelter and they left it up to Rupert, who's basically one of the sturdier guys who gets a lot done. And he decided they should dig a hole and have it be sort of subterranean on the beach. And then, of course, a red monsoon blew in. And there's two feet of water in this hole they were trying to sleep in. And everyone was just just sort of sitting just drenched.

7:58 Caller I mean, it made shivering for like eight hours. I had hypothermia.

8:03 Adam It was brutal. I mean, but it made you made you feel sort of like Vietnam, like just like sleeping in a rice paddy kind of kind of thing.

8:11 Caller I honestly had post-traumatic stress disorder for like two months after I got back because of that night. That was the worst night of my entire life.

8:19 Adam Oh, yeah, could never get worse than that. No, you'd have to be on fire the entire night. They just everyone just everyone realizing that they they they picked they went the wrong direction with the shelter, which was down monsoon rains came in. Everyone just sitting there soaked, not nothing dry, no shelter.

8:39 Caller It was the only time I spoke up and said something. And I was very diplomatic about it, too. I was like, I'm a little concerned about our safety. And I said something else like, you know, there's a reason why people in California don't have basements. And he wouldn't listen to me. And I even put it up for vote with everyone else. So is there anyone else who is also concerned? And there were crickets.

9:03 Adam Yeah.

9:04 Caller Nobody wanted to stand up.

9:05 Adam You knew, you know, it was going to. I mean, it just it edited together beautifully. But while he was digging the hole, Jerry was saying, maybe we should go up instead of down. And no one would listen to her. And then it must have rained 17 inches that night.

9:21 Caller It was the worst storm in survivor history. I mean, lightning was crackling so close to us. Our hair was like standing up and maybe the ground was good for that, though.

9:31 Drew At least we got hit.

9:32 Caller It was so bad that the camera crews fled and they've all been fired since then. Those guys are gone.

9:38 Drew Really?

9:39 Caller Yeah, they ran.

9:40 Adam Well, I was just I was just about to ask, like, well, these guys are standing around with these metallic items, you know, on their shoulders. And it's driving rain. And, you know, they're holding a 45 pound camera. They got to stand there all night to.

9:53 Caller I would have ran too.

9:55 Adam So they just went they just went for shelter and they canned them.

9:58 Caller Yeah, because that's when there's no footage of the actual flooding or any footage of us standing around. We were literally like shivering, holding on to each other, telling stories from our childhood, just trying to focus on staying present.

10:12 Caller It was really bad.

10:15 Caller I should have gone into therapy for that.

10:19 Adam It was bad. I know everyone was cold, freezing. But was it just everyone was just soaked to the bones? Was it a cold night?

10:29 Caller It was freezing.

10:30 Adam It was a cold night.

10:31 Caller Yeah, and the thing is, in Panama it rains so often and it's so moist that all your belongings are always wet. Like mold was growing inside my pants, like my army pants. I mean, we had to like fight off getting jungle rot, which is when your feet fall off. They fall apart like the bottoms of them. And we didn't have water or fire for five days. Water. That's got to be illegal.

10:59 Adam That's what I was saying to Drew. Drew gets outraged about it. He gets on his big medical high horse when he starts talking about it, especially the part where you guys drink out of the well there.

11:13 Caller They told us there were brain parasites.

11:14 Drew Then the re-feeding when they re-feed you guys.

11:16 Adam The part where you get integrated back into society and they drop you off at a Shakey's.

11:24 Drew You described how you swelled up and you got a leclat. That is very dangerous.

11:28 Caller Yeah, it was really bad. This time, though, the food once we got off was bad enough where you didn't stuff yourself. It was like beans and rice every day.

11:37 Adam Well, good times, everybody. Survivor, Thursday Nights on CBS.

11:46 Caller Oh, that's right.

11:47 Adam It's still on. Still on. Do you know who won?

11:52 Caller No, I don't.

11:53 Adam Wait a minute. You have to know who won.

11:55 Caller No, I don't. Nobody knows who won.

11:59 Adam Oh, because they do the ending live. Right, but you know who the last two are. Yeah, you got to know that. Hey, you know what? Here's how mature I am. I don't want to know.

12:10 Caller Good, because I'm not telling you.

12:13 Adam During the commercial, I'm going to tickle it out of you.

12:16 Caller Oh, no, don't.

12:17 Adam Yep.

12:17 Caller I'm the most ticklish person on the planet.

12:19 Adam That's what I hear. Jeff?

12:22 Yeah.

12:23 Adam You're 20?

12:24 Caller Yeah.

12:25 Adam What's up?

12:26 Caller Well, I mean, I'm kind of confused about my sexuality in a sense. Because I have this... I don't know, because I've never been late before.

12:38 Adam We don't believe it.

12:40 Caller I know.

12:41 Drew Good try, Jeff.

12:42 Adam Sorry, Jeff.

12:43 Caller It's the truth, really.

12:44 Caller He's never been what before?

12:46 Adam I don't know. What have you never been before?

12:48 Caller I've never been late before.

12:51 Caller You're a virgin? He's a virgin.

12:55 Adam You've never been late before?

12:57 Caller Yeah. Well, I have this friend, and it seems like she's suggesting it. I don't know how to go about approaching her with her. Because I don't know.

13:08 Drew There's no question. She's approached you. How do you approach it? She approached you. No question.

13:13 Adam What do you do? You mean how do you get your fly down?

13:18 Caller She hasn't said, you know, let's do it. She's just kind of saying, you know, it's hard to find somebody that wants to do it with me.

13:28 Adam Hold on a second. Let me talk to Drew.

13:31 Drew I just get bogus affect from the second you picked up the phone.

13:35 Adam I did, but also there are guys out there who this is life sounding bogus. They're a little, their voice is sort of tinny and it's wooden and there's nothing. This is like Keanu Reeves. This is what makes him such a great actor. He'll believe anything he ever says. They sound like they're lying. Everything that comes out of their mouth sounds like they're lying.

14:02 Drew Now you convinced me. Yes, you convinced me.

14:08 Adam Because of my passion. I'm the antithesis of these guys. You see? Now Jeff could not be getting laid. I don't know what he did with the word laid, but he turned it into half a syllable.

14:22 Drew Turned it into late.

14:24 Adam He's having trouble getting laid.

14:26 Caller I think he's very confused.

14:28 Adam So he could be one of these guys. The reason we don't believe him is the reason he could be a virgin.

14:33 Drew Here's what we need. We need to know why he is where he's at. There's a good reason for that.

14:38 Adam Alright. Are you a good student?

14:41 Caller Fairly.

14:42 Adam How's your stature?

14:44 Caller Normal size? It's okay.

14:48 Adam Alright. Boy, he paints a picture of this one.

14:51 Drew I got a vivid impression of him.

14:53 Adam Maya Angelou. Boy, I close my eyes. I see his whole world. I see a guy with a C-plus, sort of medium size. Jeff, do you have any problems? You know, have you ever had any head trauma? Mild retardation? Anything like that?

15:11 Caller No, as far as I know.

15:14 Adam Okay.

15:14 Drew Adam, do you have any retardation?

15:19 Caller Yeah, I know I'm not retarded.

15:21 Adam So, do you have a job?

15:24 Caller Yeah, I have a couple of them.

15:26 Adam Couple. You living at home?

15:27 Caller No, I moved out. Finally.

15:30 Adam Do you have male friends?

15:31 Caller Yeah.

15:32 Adam What did you do in high school? Were you in the band?

15:36 Caller No, I was, I don't know, I was more like the, I mean, I hung out with like the jocks and the nerds. I was that kind of person in between.

15:45 Drew Trainer?

15:46 Adam No, hanging out with the jocks and the nerds means not hanging out with anybody. He's like saying, I was in the Black Panthers and the Klan. Really? Or were you just nowhere? Or were you just at your mom's house? You weren't anywhere.

16:01 Drew I want to know the jobs. What are the jobs? Come on. I'm getting intrigued. Now I'm in. Jeff, what do you do for a living? What are the jobs?

16:08 Caller I work at Taco Bell and I work at Dairy Queen and I'm going to school part time.

16:12 Adam You know how much I would weigh if I worked at Taco Bell and Dairy Queen? I'd have like a blizzard and like a chalupa constantly going. It's like I'd be on a chalupa drip with the blizzard. I'd be taking the blizzard rectally with like a liquefied chalupa drip going.

16:30 Caller I like the new crunchy cheesy gordita.

16:32 Adam Yeah, the gordita, yeah.

16:33 Drew Let's go to Taco Bell.

16:34 Adam Hey, Jeff, you tell those geniuses over at Taco Bell.

16:38 Drew Bring back the Enchirito.

16:39 Caller Thank you.

16:41 Caller What ever happened to that?

16:43 Adam What happened to the Enchirito? What happened to the Bell Beaver?

16:45 Caller We have the Enchiritos.

16:47 Adam What?

16:47 Drew Not out here.

16:48 Caller Not here we go.

16:50 Adam And by the way, hold on a second.

16:52 Caller We're chipped out here.

16:54 Adam We used to have a little something called Enchirito, which is just an enchilada.

16:57 Caller I don't know what it is.

16:58 Drew It wasn't even that. It was the ground beef.

17:01 Caller It was the sauce that made it special.

17:04 Adam It was an enchilada.

17:05 Drew It was attempting to be a beef enchilada.

17:07 Adam It came in some foil or something.

17:09 Drew Beef enchilada.

17:09 Caller It came in a really cool little bowl like dish.

17:12 Adam Here's the whole thing about the Mexican cuisine. You don't have to mix it up every few months. It's a bunch of cheese, a bunch of beef, a bunch of tortillas. That's it. Don't get fancy on us. Yeah, the enchilada. Oh, man.

17:25 Caller Good stuff.

17:26 Adam But the bell beef. Now that's something you could take with you. It wasn't an enchilada. That was a commitment.

17:31 Caller You can't drive and eat an enchilada.

17:34 Adam No, bell beef or you could run a marathon with a bell beef.

17:36 Drew All right, Jeff, here's the deal. The girl is bisexual. You are a virgin. You want to have a physical relationship with somebody you don't want to have an emotional relationship with. That's fine. She's looking for some kind of contact. That's fine. So go call her and take her for coffee and just see what happens. And don't expect to have a relationship from this. All right?

17:54 Adam All right there, buddy. And meanwhile, how about a nice gal at work? I mean, there's probably some women you work with over at the DQ and over at the TB.

18:04 Caller Well...

18:05 Adam Perculosis. That's why they're so smart.

18:09 Caller Most of the girls that I work with at Taco Bell don't really speak English.

18:13 Adam Really?

18:14 Caller Even better.

18:15 Adam Yeah, they'll think you're a genius. All right, buddy.

18:21 Drew Good luck.

18:22 Adam Yeah, good time. So, you know, all right. Yeah, no, that was a virgin there. That's what guys sound like. Really? Because he'll get laid and call back tomorrow and be like, Hey, how do you do? What? No, man. I dropped that gig over at the DQ. I'm now representing a label. I'm a publicist and I'm a personal trainer. Yeah, that's what it's like.

18:45 Caller The voice goes down a couple of octaves.

18:48 Adam I've got a DVD that I'm looking to drop pretty soon. It's a personal trainer. It's a Tybo type thing. It's something I'm afraid I can't talk about. Yeah. That's what happens to guys after they get laid. And by the way, do you got to work at Dairy Queen and Taco Bell? Couldn't you just ask your manager, Taco Bell, to pump you up a few more numbs? You know, hey, give me a 45-hour week. I mean, save yourself a little drive time.

19:10 Drew What's Jeff doing?

19:10 Adam What do you mean, what's he doing? He's taking care of business over there.

19:13 Drew No, no, but I mean, he needs to be working all the time.

19:15 Adam You're talking to the guy who put in an application of the Taco Bell and it wasn't Taco Bell material cut out of the Taco Bell. Oh, no. Yeah. Didn't make the cut. And they have quite a rigorous screening process over there, which is if it didn't look like you filled it out with your fist clenching a crayon, they let you in. Like, if your thing doesn't have a big skull and crossbones drawn in charcoal on it, they'll let you in. I didn't make it in.

19:44 Drew All right.

19:45 Adam I went to McDonald's.

19:47 Caller I went to Burger King.

19:48 Adam You did?

19:48 Caller That was my first job.

19:49 Adam Which one?

19:50 Caller It was on an Army base in Alabama. Yeah. And I got moved up to drive through because I was that good. Yeah.

19:58 Adam Oh, yeah. That's when you've arrived. Yeah. Because the movie, because that's what they call a face position. It's a face job. They put you in the drive through because what you...

20:08 Drew You can act with the public. Yeah.

20:10 Adam You're like the hood ornament of a car. That's what people see, where I was more like an intake manifold. I was down in the bowels, you know. I was working the grill. I was a grill guy. Then hand me it up front.

20:21 Drew We weren't just seeing.

20:24 Adam Yeah. Wow.

20:24 Drew Miranda, 25. Hi. Hi there.

20:32 Caller How are you?

20:33 Drew We're good. How are you?

20:34 Caller I've got a small question here. Every time I have sex, well, just about every time I have sex, I end up spotting and hurting afterwards. Can you tell me if this is normal?

20:49 Drew The hurting part is a little bit disconcerting. The spotting can be quite normal. But the pain, where is the pain?

20:56 Caller It's a burning pain right around the vaginal opening.

21:00 Drew When was the last time you had a pap smear?

21:03 Caller Oh, I guess it was just a couple months ago.

21:06 Drew That was normal? Have you ever had ovarian cysts or endometriosis or any problems like that?

21:12 Caller I did have an ovarian cyst but it went away. It was kind of mid-cycle.

21:17 Drew And are you on any medication now?

21:19 Caller No.

21:20 Drew Nothing?

21:21 Caller No. Not right now.

21:23 Drew I would certainly suspect that there's a possibility of another ovarian cyst. They tend to recurse. That's a possibility. It could be normal. It could be a little infection. Blood or infection? No blood. Well, I mean, you never know because you're just having this sort of nonspecific pain. But the pain and bleeding usually is uterine inability. Ouch. So, it's time for another public exam just to be sure.

21:46 Caller Now, the thing that concerns me is it usually only happens especially whenever I have an orgasm.

21:53 Caller Interesting.

21:54 Adam Well, we could get together and solve that.

21:57 Drew Then you'd never have orgasms. It'd be perfect.

21:59 Adam That's what I'm saying.

22:00 Drew That's what I'm saying.

22:01 Adam No, that's what I'm saying. You'd be on Easy Street.

22:06 Drew Again, there's nothing specific about the fact that it follows orgasm. In fact, it sounds more normal than not because again, there's some contractions that can push the blood through. So I wouldn't worry about this, but it should be checked out. Sometimes the blood can just be irritating. There's a hundred reasons for this.

22:22 Adam I don't know why. I was thinking about Survivor and tampons and stuff. And I think we talked about how that worked before.

22:29 Drew With Jerri.

22:31 Adam I don't know who we... Maybe it was with Jerri.

22:33 Caller I think it was me.

22:35 Adam It could have been Ethan.

22:37 Drew He brought it up.

22:38 Adam He's a tampon man. I suppose... Now, that's not a luxury item, a tampon. They'll supply that for you, right?

22:46 Caller Yes, that's a necessity.

22:48 Adam But I'm just thinking... And there's no necessity. There's no other necessity. Is there any other necessities?

22:55 Caller If you wear contacts. Then you get to take your solution with you.

22:59 Drew Oh, really?

23:00 Adam I was trying to think of other examples.

23:03 Caller And if someone's on medication.

23:05 Drew Do you take people on meds?

23:07 Caller Yeah, sometimes. I mean, Rudy's 75. I'm sure he was...

23:12 Adam I didn't see any luxury items this time around.

23:16 Caller They took them away. They didn't let us have anything this time. Not even a change of clothes. They gave us a machete and said, here you go.

23:25 Adam I'm telling you, it just keeps getting worse.

23:28 Caller It was by far the worst experience of my life.

23:31 Adam I'll tell you, I was predicting at this rate, like Survivor 2025, they would take a rusty piece of rebar, shove it in between your ribs and pierce a lung, and drop you in the...

23:46 Drew Volcano?

23:47 Adam No, in the Atlantic during a storm at night. And that's it. Enjoyed it for like 10 seconds. It's getting to the point where they're going to start hobbling people before they drop them out on the island, because they already got nothing.

24:01 Caller Well, hopefully they'll up the prize money a little bit at that point.

24:07 Adam By the way, I can't remember...

24:08 Caller If it's for five, I'll do it.

24:11 Adam Is second place $250 or is it five? What the hell was second place? The winner is a million bucks. And then second was like... What was second place? $250?

24:22 Caller I don't know. They upped everything this time.

24:24 Adam Oh, they did?

24:25 Caller Yeah, because it was the All-Stars. But the million dollars stayed a million.

24:29 Adam The million stayed a million. What was second place when you were in Australia?

24:35 Caller I think it was $250,000.

24:37 Adam And then was there a third or was the third like a car or something? Or there was no third?

24:42 Caller Yeah, it was all money all the way down. But the sooner you got voted off, the less money you got. You have an incentive to want to stay out there as long as possible.

24:50 Drew I would be angry at Millionaire.

24:53 Adam Yeah, some fat history teacher from Wisconsin sits on his ass, choose the fats, got to call Lifeline. His buddies and other faculty over at Harvard gives him the answer. Then the audience votes on the thing. And then there's just a 50-50 one. Get rid of two wrong answers. Really just sitting on your fat keys there and you're getting yourself a million bucks? Say million.

25:14 Drew That's 10 million.

25:15 Adam Yeah, these guys are eating grubs out in the wilderness and hypothermia. OK, so wait a minute now. We got to go to break. But when does the money start? I mean, if you're the first person thrown off, do you get anything? Yeah. OK, because I thought the money started not much. Well, let's figure this out. Jerri Manthey here from Survivor. I forgot about this whole part. They just, you know, they focus on the million dollars. I want to know like what number five gets and what's not a lot. Don't ruin it for everybody. Man, not a lot for you, but it'd be a lot for someone. I was going to say me, but, you know, I'm literally a millionaire, but someone like engineer Chris. Oh, man. Oh, man. Let's.

25:55 Caller You're better off in here.

25:59 Drew Math class was today.

26:00 Adam Oh, math class.

26:02 Drew 1245.

26:02 Adam No, he had to be there at 1245. All right. We'll take a break. We'll be right back.

26:17 Caller Every hour, two Americans under the age of 25 are infected with HIV.

26:35 Adam Phone number 1-800-LEVE-191. Jerri Manthey is here tonight from Survivor. Let's see. When did you get booted off? Three weeks ago?

26:47 Caller Yeah. Ninth place again.

26:50 Adam Oh, was it ninth place wise?

26:51 Caller Again, yeah.

26:52 Adam I'll tell you, you made a pretty good splash for not cracking the top five, two survivors running. I mean, it's amazing. And it'd be an interesting study, the names you remember and the ones you don't oftentimes not having to do with what place they even came in. Obviously, if you're getting voted off the first week, the second week, you're going to fade out. But there are people who never made it past the halfway point or made it right about the halfway point, who turned out to be some of the bigger names and personalities from the show. So we're talking about money. We're talking about money last time and a million bucks to the winner. But everybody will get so if you get vote when they start 18. How many people?

27:38 Caller This time is 18. Normally, it's 16.

27:41 Adam Normally 60. If you get voted off the first the first court, what the hell they call it? Tribal Council. First Tribal Council you get voted off. What do you get?

27:55 Caller Well, in the regular season, the person got 2500 bucks.

27:59 Drew Is that their total pay for the whole thing?

28:02 Adam And?

28:03 Caller But you know, for the All Stars, they upped everything. Now, what was the All Star? I don't even know if I could tell you.

28:09 Adam Why not?

28:09 Caller I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about the money part of it.

28:12 Adam Well, they didn't tell you not to say anything, did they?

28:15 Caller I don't know. It could be in that big, fat contract I signed.

28:18 Adam Well, you can't say anything about who won or anything like that. But we know the winner gets a million bucks.

28:25 Caller Yeah.

28:26 Adam It doesn't hurt to have people know what 10th place gets.

28:31 Caller Yeah, I don't know.

28:32 Adam You don't know?

28:32 Drew What did 9th place get?

28:35 Caller You know what? I'm not going to answer that.

28:38 Adam Well, tell you what.

28:39 Caller How much do you make, Adam?

28:40 Adam Tell us. What do you want to know?

28:42 Drew This is what you guys part of ways last time.

28:45 Adam We had a big argument over this last time.

28:46 Drew Do you remember this?

28:47 Caller It was, wasn't it? You still can't stop thinking about money.

28:51 Adam People call me and ask me, you know, what do you get paid for this commercial? What do you get paid for this? What do you get paid for that? Yeah, I tell them.

28:58 Caller Really?

28:58 Adam Why not?

28:59 Caller I don't know. I'm like one of those people that gets very uncomfortable when someone starts talking money to me.

29:04 Adam I know a lot of people are that way and people seem to just respect it, but I think it's ridiculous. Who cares?

29:11 Caller You don't.

29:11 Adam Well, you know what the guy made. You know the winner gets a million bucks. Does, in the second place, gets 500? You don't have to give us all the place.

29:20 Caller I don't know. This time it's totally different for the All Stars. I know that they had to give us some more.

29:25 Adam Just tell us what 10th place makes. That'll be the, or somewhere in the middle.

29:30 Caller I don't know. I honestly don't know.

29:31 Adam Well, give us a ballpark of 10th place.

29:34 Drew The last place is not 2,500.

29:36 Adam Yeah, that's what we've learned in the last 20 minutes.

29:38 Drew The first place is a million.

29:40 Adam That, I already knew that. Just give us the middle. Give us the middle price.

29:45 Caller I'm not.

29:46 Adam Why not?

29:46 Drew I don't understand that.

29:48 Adam What, 80 grand?

29:49 Drew I mean, is it the percentage drop each time?

29:52 Caller There's some sort of system they have set up.

29:54 Adam Get on the internet and see if you can find this stupid question.

29:57 I just did that for the last five minutes.

29:59 Drew And?

29:59 Caller 2,500, like she said, for the first one voted off, and 100,000 for, this is Africa, for the second to last person.

30:06 Caller Yeah, that was...

30:07 Caller And they won't, they won't divulge anything else.

30:09 Adam 100,000 for the second to last?

30:12 Drew Right. You mean the second place?

30:14 Caller Second place, yes.

30:15 Adam Oh, second place is 100,000 normally. It goes from a million down to 100,000?

30:19 Drew Then Africa.

30:21 Caller Because Colby gave away 900,000 dollars.

30:24 Drew It probably goes 250, 200,000.

30:30 Adam We were going to play a song, by the way. Jerries. It's not my thing.

30:39 Caller We can talk about it on the side.

30:41 Adam Maybe.

30:42 We'll see what kind of moves I'm in.

30:44 Adam It's just not what I do. You got to respect it.

30:48 Caller You're not going to play my band song now?

30:50 Adam We might. You got to respect it. You got to respect my feelings on this.

30:57 Drew Germany or Florida?

30:58 Adam Oh, it's Germany or Florida. This is a game. I'm surprised it didn't even... It probably made it to the Survivors.

31:04 Drew I'm sure Panama, they've got this all over.

31:06 Adam This game is sweeping the country. It's called Germany or Florida. Don't pretend like you haven't heard of it.

31:11 Caller I know. I haven't.

31:12 Adam This is... What an actress. Here's the thing. All bizarre stories, all acts of evil, bizarre, evil, crime, the macabre, the occult, they come from either Germany or Florida. We hear the story and then we guess. Is it Germany or Florida? David?

31:30 Caller Yeah.

31:31 Adam All right. Go ahead.

31:33 Caller An artist has applied a license to open a brothel for sexually frustrated dogs and says it will be the first of its kind anywhere. An artist who's 54 said he planned to charge dog owners a reasonable amount of money per half an hour of happiness. If dogs can't get what they want, they get cranky, just like people, he told reporters. This establishment would offer patrons a variety of carefully vetted participants of both sexes, rooms for private encounters, and even a bar where customers could sniff out preferred partners.

32:08 Adam Private encounters, like a dog. Dog, by the way, who rolls in his own ass in front of a group of nuns, needs his own place to get his work done.

32:19 Caller I gotta go with Germany.

32:20 Drew I'm with you on that. It's put through the language here, the customer, the vetted customers.

32:25 Adam He also said an appropriate amount of money, which may have been his twist on it. This whole, by the way, the whole game has been destroyed by us just listening to the dialogue and trying to figure out clues from the story rather than hearing what the essence of the story was.

32:40 Drew The essence still goes to Germany. We try to...

32:42 Adam Yeah, I feel Germany on this. We're all going Germany?

32:44 Caller Yeah, I'm going Germany.

32:45 Adam David, Germany.

32:46 Caller Yeah, I'm in Germany. You guys always get it.

32:52 Adam We got burnt yesterday. Now, did you... Was there a price that this was going to cost the pet owners and did you modify that or change that?

33:01 Caller It said $27.

33:03 Caller For a half hour?

33:04 Drew He wasn't going to give us the... That might have made us err on the side of Florida.

33:09 Caller $27.

33:10 Adam I know, but wouldn't that be part of his...

33:13 Drew To try to pull us off the track?

33:15 Adam She said $27?

33:17 Drew He's being fair to us though.

33:19 Caller It could be the Euro dollar.

33:20 Adam God bless you, David.

33:21 Drew Good point.

33:22 Adam Are they doing the Euro? I don't think... Are the Germans going with the Euro?

33:25 Caller Oh, yeah.

33:26 Adam Oh, they are?

33:26 Caller Unfortunately, yeah. I grew up in Germany.

33:28 Adam Oh, that's right.

33:29 Caller Yeah.

33:30 Adam You're a tummy brat.

33:32 Caller Anytime there's a brothel involved, I guess Germany.

33:35 Drew Lots of them?

33:35 Caller It's legal, yeah. Prostitution's legal.

33:38 Adam In Germany?

33:40 Drew You don't hear about it. Booth houses?

33:43 Caller Yeah, that's the slang term.

33:45 Adam You don't hear about Germany in the brothels that much.

33:48 Drew You've heard Dutch in Amsterdam and that stuff. Yeah.

33:51 Caller And it's, I mean, they test the women frequently, so it's very, it's safe. Yeah, it's weird.

33:57 Drew I guess France has it sort of legal, too.

33:59 Caller Yeah, you're, I mean, Europeans are very open-minded about that, about nipples and things like that.

34:06 Adam We had to bleep out the word nipple, by the way.

34:08 Drew Yes, I know.

34:09 Caller Are you serious? I'm like, OK, it's just getting a little ridiculous.

34:14 Adam I know the whole thing about the brothels, like Germany, is it spiraling out of control because of the brothels? You know what I mean?

34:24 Caller And there's no drinking age. No, there isn't. And you know what? I got to tell you, growing up over there, there were fewer issues with people drunk in public places. They're always the Americans.

34:36 Adam Germany makes a couple of good points, which is no speed limit on the Autobahn, less highway fatalities than we have. So the essence, like we sort of think, well, look, speed equals death and age of consent equals alcoholism and brothels equal more prostitution, as it turns out, it's probably just a better idea to sort of educate it and control it a little bit. Because what kid out here doesn't have his first beer by 15 anyway, by the way, the 21 just means you got to get one of your older, your brother's older buddies to go to go buy yourself a six or a Mickey's.

35:15 Caller And then you've got that whole thing about you feel like you're doing something bad and then you go into that cycle of behavior.

35:20 Adam Well, it is it is alluring. If you think about it, kids don't like the taste of beer. I mean, beer tastes horrible. Now it's my medicine. Chris, give me a cold one. We're almost halfway to the show. The thing is, is beer tastes really bad up until the age of like even up until your early 20s is when you're in a certain point, you turn the corner and you need it. But you know, wine, beer, wine doesn't take a red wine, a bottle of stout, ale doesn't taste good to a 14 year old. You slug it down and make a face. I don't think you would do that. You know, if it's legal, would you put up, you know, would you hold your nose and shoot it down?

35:57 Caller And the kids that do it, like the German kids that start drinking at an early age, if they get sick once, like I met this German kid, he was like, Oh, I got sick. And I was like 12 and I haven't had anything to drink since.

36:10 Adam He was 13. Well, actually does find it does fight correctly now, but will not drink it. Absolutely.

36:20 Drew We can't judge.

36:21 Adam It's all good. We got to take ourselves a little break. We're going to break on time this time. What do you want to talk to Navy wife guy?

36:30 Drew Two, three. I beg your pardon.

36:31 Adam Three. How about you read it, Drew? Why do I got to do it?

36:34 Drew Folks were in a cult. Brother fingered her at age five. Now problems.

36:40 Adam Yeah. Hold on. Let me just talk to her. Amy.

36:44 Jerri Manthey Oh, yes.

36:45 Adam Was it a religious cult?

36:47 Jerri Manthey It was called the Children of God, known as the family also. By David Byrd. He like was the main guy that started everything.

36:57 Drew Where do you?

36:58 Jerri Manthey Yeah. My brother did. And I think that is the reason why I can't go on climax when I do intercourse with my boyfriend. I've been with him for two years.

37:09 Adam Hold on now, baby doll. I take a break. Yes. Just hang on. Take a break. We'll be right back. All right. I'm going to talk to you. I've been doing a little cult research. I mean, not actually research, but watching TV sometimes something comes on about a cult and I've really distilled it. All cults are basically white dudes in their late forties, early fifties who want to nail chicks.

37:35 Drew That's it. Period.

37:36 Adam It's it. Every single one of them turns into they first they get a bunch. It's sort of a Charles Manson thing. You get sort of disenfranchised, screwed up. Abuse. Yeah. Abuse victims. And you get them in and they come in. And then at a certain point, once they believe you're sort of God or you're the mouthpiece of God, it starts coming into, yeah, I'm going to need you to drop off your 13 year old daughter and I'm going to nail her. And then I'm going to nail your sister. And then it's always sexual. And this is why it's always guys who run cults, by the way. There's no fat 50 year old chick Lesbo who runs a cult. It's just a bunch. It's the same dude and it always turns into an orgy. No one ever really talks about it, but that's all it is. And it's about nailing tons and tons of young chicks and nailing everyone's daughters. Abuse survivors. Yeah, it's just abusing abuse survivors. That's really what it is. And whenever they do these shows on like 20, 20, it's always, he said this, he did. And they sort of brush past the sexual part of it. But that's really the engine that drives the cult, right?

38:42 Drew Absolutely.

38:43 Adam Yeah.

38:43 Drew 100%.

38:44 Adam Got to start a cult. Gonna start one. Got to get some land. Get some land. Build on it.

38:51 Caller A big barn to you.

38:51 Adam Build a barn on it. Yeah.

38:53 Drew Yeah.

38:54 Adam It's never, never anyone guy going out. Yeah.

38:56 Drew Change your name to Hezekiah.

38:57 Adam Hezekiah. We're gonna take ourselves a break.

39:01 Caller Adam, I do appreciate you trying to break on time.

39:04 Adam I'm breaking early. I'm breaking early. We got to break early. That's engineer Anderson needs us to break early.

39:08 Yeah.

39:09 Adam Only time he cares about the show. We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.

39:14 Drew Hello.

39:15 Caller This is your radio.

39:33 It's the Loveline, the man that's acting Drew over there.

39:38 Adam Suck my sack.

39:42 Drew All you letter writers.

39:43 Adam Yes.

39:43 Drew I've got something to tell you.

39:44 Suck my white balls.

39:47 Drew How's Kennedy?

39:48 Adam Oh, wow. Jerri Manthey here from Survivor, my favorite show. Yeah, just have a nice spirited conversation during the break there about what everyone has to do to the people that write letters. Yes.

40:01 Drew Yes.

40:02 Adam Yes. All right, Drew, our policy has always been just to kiss our ass when everyone writes us a letter, right?

40:08 Drew It tends to be our policy.

40:08 Adam And everyone goes away, right? All right. Very good. I wish more people would adopt that policy. Yes? Mm-hmm. Amy?

40:18 Jerri Manthey Oh, yes.

40:19 Adam All right. So, 17. Mm-hmm. Did you grow up in a cult?

40:24 Jerri Manthey Oh, yeah. My parents were in it for 22 years. And we moved to America seven years ago.

40:32 Drew Where were they?

40:33 Jerri Manthey Oh, we traveled, like, everywhere. We spent the last, before that, the last five years in France.

40:39 Drew With this cult?

40:40 Jerri Manthey Yes. Well, yeah, I traveled everywhere. And also, my mom was French, so. Oh, wow.

40:45 Drew How did they get out of this thing?

40:47 Jerri Manthey After a while, like, my mom, my dad was the one that was in it at first. And then, like, he pressured my mom into it. And it was a lot different back in the day, I guess. But it slowly changed. And they were just brainwashed. And then my mom just said, if they don't leave, that she would just take all the kids anyway, because if they get raided, they get the kids taken away anyway. So she said that she was going to report it if he didn't get out. So he realized. And then once a couple of years after that, they kind of realized a lot of things that were bad to it once they got some sanity. But they're still really messed up.

41:21 Drew Horrible. And then there was sexual abuse going on in the house.

41:24 Jerri Manthey Yes, by my brother and several of my sisters. I have a really big family. I have five sisters and two brothers. Yeah. And then I have another brother I never met before because of this call. My parents were like, they believe that you couldn't be, it was selfish to keep your, to share each other and not share each other. So all of the, it was against God's rules to be selfish. So all the adults just kind of, yeah.

41:53 Adam Got it on?

41:54 Jerri Manthey Yeah, with each other.

41:59 Adam Yeah. I told you, it's like, just call it an orgy and stay, stay where you are. No one should, they don't just- Yeah, but there's dudes getting in there too. It sounds like on this call, was the cult leader having sex with people?

42:15 Jerri Manthey Oh, there's a lot of different leaders, like the main guy was David Bergen, he was just the one that sent us like all the flyers and what we should do and stuff, like all the books and stuff to all the different calls and movies.

42:26 Adam It's like, by the way, how about just going down to the Oriental Massage and getting a quick release, you know?

42:32 Caller Yeah, why get all those other people involved?

42:35 Adam It's like a nightmare. It's like, it's what a pain in the ass would be to start, Drew, you're not a horrible cult leader I would be. I'd come out, I'd be tired, I'd be like, oh, you guys still here? Listen, I'm going to watch some TiVo. You guys do what you got to do. Look, if you're here when I'm done, so be it.

42:51 Drew Now, Amy, your original question was, is this, have anything to do with why you don't have orgasm during intercourse now, and it's 17, 80, 90% of women do not have orgasm with intercourse.

43:02 Adam 80, 90. And then it drops up to, it goes up to 100% when they get into their 20s, right? And then higher than 100%, I found, and as they get into their 30s.

43:13 Drew And Amy, over half of women will never have an orgasm with intercourse.

43:17 Caller Isn't that sad?

43:18 Drew Well, yes or no. I mean, the fact is...

43:21 Caller Tragic.

43:21 Drew Not necessarily. How about the fact that that's how women are wired and men are taught that that's how it works, they need to attend to some other things.

43:29 Adam That's right.

43:30 Caller I think men are slowly becoming more educated.

43:34 Drew Well, you know what? Women don't talk about it. That's what's really sad.

43:37 Caller I think things are changing.

43:38 Drew They are.

43:39 Caller Slowly. Thank God, because it's, you know, sex should be just as enjoyable for a woman.

43:43 Drew But women were feeling flawed. They couldn't have orgasm again, of course, when they're not wired to do that.

43:48 Caller Yeah.

43:48 Adam Jerri, I see you as a woman of passion. Yes. Extreme passion.

43:54 Caller I don't do anything half ass.

43:55 Adam No.

43:56 Caller No.

43:56 Adam Yeah. You go 100%. Yeah.

44:00 Caller Yeah.

44:01 Adam And Drew.

44:02 Drew 100%.

44:03 Adam He should have a deodorant named after him. He's 110, 120%. He never stops working. And the more pressure the situation, the better he is. That's when he's activated. His penis gets activated by pressure. Hey, Amy. Are you getting some counseling for all the horrible years you've spent at the hands of the cold leader?

44:27 Jerri Manthey Oh, yes. We've been through lots of family therapy. It's like it doesn't work. Well, it will.

44:32 Adam It will. It's slow.

44:33 Drew How about just for you, Amy? Just some stuff.

44:36 Jerri Manthey I don't even live with my parents anymore. It's not like I don't have a close relationship with them and I don't really want to.

44:42 Drew No, that's good.

44:43 Jerri Manthey Yeah.

44:43 Drew Yeah.

44:44 Caller Do you have any close friends like other girls?

44:47 Jerri Manthey I have my boyfriend. I've been with him for the last two years and that's who I live with now.

44:51 Drew How old is he?

44:52 Jerri Manthey He's 18. I live with him and his parents.

44:55 Adam All right. But don't get pregnant.

44:58 Drew I know. I'm feeling overwhelmed by these stories tonight for some reason.

45:04 Adam Is it this one?

45:05 Drew No. You know, I've been busy at the hospital all day. That's what it is. All right, buddy.

45:08 Adam Hey, Amy.

45:09 Drew Yes.

45:09 Jerri Manthey I was just wondering if there's like anything I could do to help it or...

45:13 Drew Are you crying? It sounds like you're crying every time you talk.

45:16 Jerri Manthey No. No, I mean like, is there anything like I can do to change the way... No.

45:21 Adam Look, here's what you got to do. Don't put the screws to yourself part in the pun. Oral sex. Put too much pressure on yourself. Yeah, oral sex.

45:28 Caller Get a Kama Sutra book and make your boyfriend read it.

45:32 Adam Yeah. You can get the pop-up version. I got that. Yeah, the oral sex. Right Jerri?

45:40 Caller Very important.

45:41 Adam Oh, really?

45:42 Caller Yeah.

45:43 Adam Jerri's a woman of passion, Drew.

45:45 Drew I know. You're just formulating a sort of a byline.

45:51 Adam Well, we got this theory. Drew has a theory that the people of supreme passion, the true purveyors of passion, like Drew over here, oral sex, it's okay, but it's sort of the salad before the big tri-tip shows up. Yeah. You want to get to the meat, you know what I mean? Because Drew is that passionate.

46:13 Drew That's the male, though.

46:15 Adam That's the male.

46:15 Drew Yeah.

46:16 Adam But you have a theory about that with women, too.

46:18 Drew That there's something similar, yeah, a similar wiring thing.

46:22 Adam And by the way, it makes sense. If a woman can have an orgasm through intercourse and really, really enjoys that, you can enjoy oral sex, but let's get to, let's get to the good stuff. Yes?

46:35 Caller Yeah. I mean, well, an internal orgasm for a woman is a thousand times more intense.

46:41 Drew For some women.

46:41 Adam We got it. Drew. No, really.

46:44 Drew For some women, some women not.

46:45 Adam We got to take a break. I'm going to leave you to it.

46:46 Drew For Jerri, it is. Let's go.

46:50 Adam All right.

46:51 Caller I feel very lucky, Sid.

46:53 Adam Well, I won't say what the tenth, the tenth person makes 45K, but the internal orgasm, never ending. Can't get her to shut up about that. Very interesting. All right. We're going to take a little break. Jerri Manthey here from Survivor. We'll be right back after this.

47:08 Caller Here it is.

47:09 Adam It sucks being single today.

47:11 Tons of lame people and no decent prospects.

47:14 Caller Call the Dateline. 1-877-889-DATE. So get your problems ready.

47:42 Adam That's Dr. Drew, Jerri Manthey, here tonight from Survivor. Survivor All-Star.

47:48 Caller The new improved Survivor.

47:50 Adam What are they going to do? Where are they going next with Survivor?

47:54 Caller I have no idea, but I know they've already cast Survivor 9, and Survivor 10 has already been ordered.

48:00 Adam Oh, really?

48:01 Caller Yeah.

48:01 Adam Oh, yeah.

48:02 Caller It's just going to keep going and going until somebody dies, quite frankly. I think it's going to get to that point.

48:08 Drew I totally agree with you. That's what's going to stop it.

48:09 Caller Yeah.

48:10 Drew And I think it's a miracle that no one has so far.

48:12 Caller Yeah. I mean, there's been some serious injuries, but mm hmm.

48:16 Drew So we still don't know. Sue may have her brain eaten out by the parasite.

48:20 Caller And Rudy. Rudy drank the well water, too.

48:22 Adam Yeah.

48:23 Caller That guy is hardcore. Did you guys have him on your show?

48:26 Drew No.

48:27 Caller Oh, you should.

48:28 Adam He is called Drew, a queer and stormed out of here. He didn't like the frames on his glasses.

48:33 Drew Hardcore for what?

48:34 Caller He's just hardcore. He's like seventy five. He used to be a Navy SEAL. And the whole time out there, regardless of how difficult it was, he never complained once. I mean, and he was hurt when he left. He had hurt his foot and he refused to let anybody know. I mean, the guy was just like he wouldn't stop.

48:52 Adam Well, you know, he comes from a time and now we should talk about this, that guys weren't really supposed to complain.

49:00 Drew Right.

49:01 Adam You know, they're supposed to be shot and like refuse help. Now, everyone's to sue everybody because they dumped a little cup of soup on their nards while they were driving out of the 7-Eleven. I mean, guys have become pussies, like flat out pussies. They never were before. They are. I don't know if it's, you know, video games or attorneys or guys are running in the Internet. Guys are turning into chicks all of a sudden.

49:26 Caller It's money.

49:27 Adam But the other no, but it's not all it's it's like the guys. A lot of guys I know, guys I work with, they get angry when I talk about this, but they proudly boast that they couldn't change a tire on their car. And they they they boast that they know nothing about, you know, fixing up a house or, you know, that or or that they would get, you know, beat up if an assailant came in or something. It's it's this weird thing where guys used to at least have a little bravado about it, where it'd be like, look, if, you know, if we were the last people left on Earth, you'd want me in charge, that kind of thing. Now it's a guy sort of almost becoming like women saying, look, you know, if I don't have a laptop and a microwave, I'm no good to anybody.

50:14 Drew You're being a little too disparaging of women. It's it's worse than that. You know what I mean? It's not that we're going when we're just becoming soft.

50:22 Caller Yeah, which is nice on one hand. But I got to tell you, honestly, as a woman, I think it's hot when I know a guy can take care of me if we get a flat or if the doorknob in the bathroom is broken. He can fix it. Like power tools and guys are a great mix.

50:38 Adam Well, you know, I think I think guys think I mean, I think the idea of a successful guy now is, you know, I got triple A. I got the card, my wallet. I'll call the triple A guy. I've arrived. I'm not going to get up in there and, you know, dent a cuticle. I it's yeah, somehow this is it's almost a little bit of a royalty thing, too. Like, look, I don't want to get down on my knees in the dirt and, you know, bust, bust my knuckles trying to free up a seized lug nut.

51:08 Drew There's a little bit of a willingness to grow up kind of piece of this.

51:13 Adam Well, maybe it's mommy. Maybe I got that element. Maybe that element's worked in to I'm just saying and women, too, by the way, and don't defend them. Now, leave them alone. Women used to, I think, take a little more pride in the I can whip up a meal fit for a king from just a scratch. It's in the refrigerator and do a little mending on the trousers to women. Well, you're a renaissance woman. Women now look at that as being some sort of a subservient or something and guys look at it as low rent if, you know, so it's really you're probably where it's all coming from that we're supposed to be the same and we're all the same in our just nothingness. Yeah, but here would be a better idea. How about we all learn how about guy learns to fix a car and so instead we've just decided all just be blank slates and all just we'll just pay someone else to sit on the computer. Well, yeah, well, we'll get a couple of illegals in and they can do the cooking and change the tires. That's what it's turned into.

52:13 Caller Sad times.

52:14 Adam Very sad. Sad times. Very good. Very poignant from a passionate, passionate woman. Cat. You're 26.

52:22 Caller Yes.

52:23 Adam What's up?

52:25 Caller OK, I have two different incidents that happened with gynecologists. One was when I was about, I'm saying about 20 years old. I remember being very uncomfortable because the gynecologist, it was a woman and it was my second time going to a gynecologist and it was just for a regular pap smear. And she stuck a finger up my butt.

52:59 Drew Right. Doctors are trained to do that. That's part of the pelvic exam.

53:02 Caller But I've never had, I've never had any.

53:04 Drew Then your doctors were actually doing incomplete exams without that.

53:08 Adam How about a little heads up though before you get to get you up the rack.

53:12 Drew But there are multiple.

53:14 Adam And for me like a glass of chardonnay or maybe even a hug.

53:17 Drew There are multiple anatomic structures that you can only feel that way.

53:23 Caller It's not comfortable for sure.

53:25 Drew But know that the guys get it every year too.

53:27 Caller Does it go in the butt?

53:29 Drew They're supposed to anyway. But you know, you can't, there's a septum between the vagina and the, and the rectum where tumors can occur. You can't feel it behind the ovaries quite the same way as through the rectum, unfortunately. And that's part of the exam.

53:41 Adam Let me, you know, I was thinking, you think there's ever been a gynecologist who puts his patients out and then starts working on their teeth? Just a twist on the naughty dentist. Somewhere, there's got to be some guy with like a, who, you know, some sort of tooth obsession, who's a gynecologist. No? Would be an interesting twist. Hey, Kat?

54:02 Caller Yeah.

54:03 Adam All right. So let's chalk that one off the list. And by the way, you couldn't have sussed that one out. I mean, like, talked to some of your friends or gone on the internet and figured it out.

54:12 Caller Well, I just kind of forgot about it.

54:17 Drew What was your other question? What was the other thing?

54:19 Caller My other question was, I went to the hospital for a really bad stomach pain, which afterwards I found out it was stress. But the doctor there, I told her, you know, I might have something wrong with your… How do you say it?

54:37 Adam Urethra?

54:38 Caller Urinary tract?

54:39 Caller Yeah, or something.

54:42 Adam Well, which one was it?

54:45 Caller Your… I can't say it.

54:47 Adam Well, just agree then.

54:49 Drew Alright, so what happened?

54:50 Caller Okay, so, usually they put K or K-Y jelly, right? K-Y, yeah. You know, to put that metal thing in you, you know, and open you up and stuff.

55:02 Adam Yeah.

55:03 Drew Speculum, yeah.

55:04 Adam What's that thing you're holding to your face and talking into right now?

55:07 Caller What would you call that?

55:09 Adam Phone? I'm trying to figure out…

55:12 Drew Where the threshold is. Where is the threshold for trouble? Okay. Why you act stupid like that? So they didn't use lubricant for the speculum exam?

55:21 Caller She massaged my clitoris.

55:25 Drew Really?

55:25 Caller Yeah. She massaged me. And she told me that she thought, well, you're dry, so I'm going to massage you.

55:34 Caller That's not normal.

55:35 Drew No way. No way did that happen.

55:38 Caller Yeah. No, I did.

55:39 Adam Now, usually they just spit. I mean, that's how you spit.

55:43 Caller Because she, as well, she stuck, you know, two fingers in, in, in my, you know, and…

55:50 Drew OK, Cat, here's the deal. You were sexually abused growing up, weren't you? Listen, what happened to you growing up? You were sexually abused? Huh?

55:59 Caller No.

56:00 Drew Nothing like that happened growing up.

56:02 Caller OK, OK, maybe.

56:03 Drew OK, but listen, you're experiencing, Cat, every… pelvic exam as a reliving, a revivification of the abuse. And the fact is, the people are just doing their job. They're just, they're not interested in you sexually. They're just doing what they have to do to keep you safe medically.

56:20 Adam You know what I bet? I bet she was beaten with a thesaurus.

56:23 Drew A specular.

56:27 Adam Something, something has turned her off to verbiage, right?

56:29 Drew But listen, Cat, there's no way, there's no way that's what happened. I understand that's what you experienced, that's what you believe happened.

56:36 Adam Who abused you?

56:36 Caller No, I was not, uh, sexually, like, intercourse, I, no.

56:41 Adam What was done to you?

56:45 Drew Things put in you, probably.

56:46 Caller Yeah, fingers, grabbing?

56:48 Adam What happened?

56:49 Caller I just remember my stepfather, like, playing with my nipples when I was seven.

56:56 Adam That's good and weird. All right, but what about this theory? More, just, inappropriate. Everyone around her seems, she, it does something inappropriate.

57:05 Drew Yeah, she's interpreting everything as an intrusion. Everything as somebody should exploit her.

57:09 Adam How about some therapy for stepdad?

57:12 Caller Oh, I, I do.

57:13 Drew Okay.

57:14 Adam I do.

57:15 Drew Talk to your therapist about what happened, both with your stepdad and with these caretakers. Certainly, it should be reported if your therapist thinks it's appropriate.

57:23 Adam Yes. Okay, so now here's, um, and I was just hearing about, Drew and I talking about this, uh, Kobe trial every once in a while. And this, every time we speak to someone like this, this is what reminds me of it, which is, uh, if your cat, anybody who comes in contact with you, uh, it is perceived as abuse.

57:44 Drew Or, or to attack or rape or something.

57:46 Caller Right.

57:47 Drew And yet victims like cat tend to attract the victimizers too.

57:50 Adam So it's hard to tell.

57:51 Drew It's hard to tell which was which.

57:53 Caller Right.

57:53 Drew Whether it's her experience of something that was innocent or did she really attract a perpetrator?

57:59 Adam Yeah, after a while it just, you know, you get stuff like the finger in the ass and it turns out, and by the way, they're not interested in pursuing the truth. Which is, hey, my gyno just put a ring finger in the took eye. Uh, hey, Susie, from down the street, you've been to the gyno. Is this on the menu or is this special order?

58:18 Drew No, in the meantime she spends seven years feeling victimized.

58:21 Adam Right, instead of just as she could get on the Internet and get the answer to her question in a matter of seconds or talk to a couple other women who've undergone the same procedure and find out it was fine. She's not interested in that. She'd rather be a victim for the next seven years. And probably isn't going to listen to whatever Drew said about the appropriate part about that being part of the gynecological exam. But as this pertains to Kobe, is if you're with somebody who experiences every encounter, as abuse or rape, then Kobe, and I don't know what he did, but there's a good chance if she had the kind of history that someone like this had, whenever someone is with them, that's how it goes down in their book. And so it's confusing to the guy. It's like, what do you mean? We just had a good time.

59:09 Drew Well, it's amorphous because very often women like that will be alluring. They will actually, unknown to themselves, will be surprised when they get themselves in situations that they brought on, so to speak. They didn't ask, they didn't know they were asking for it, but they did.

59:23 Adam Right. And then it becomes...

59:24 Drew And then it becomes a victimization to them. And so it's... But again, the hard part is they attract the victimizers. That's the crazy thing. Right.

59:31 Adam So you never know, you never know for sure. I think it's safe to say that Kobe probably not your typical rapist. Not the kind of guy who hides in the bushes at the park. You know what I'm saying? And probably capable of having consensual sex with strange women on the road. And I'm sure in his mind this went down as just another marital infidelity. And when you start scratching beneath her surface and looking into her past a little, maybe it seems more like that's more the way it went. And she was a little more like Kat who just called in. By the way, in court, all this stuff is inadmissible or oftentimes is like, hey, the fact that, you know, OJ had been beating the crap out of Nicole for the last 10 years. Inadmissible. Really?

1:00:24 Caller That's disturbing.

1:00:25 Adam Yeah. If you were the lawyer that was defending Kat's gynecologist, I would want this to be, it's very admissible. I mean, it's very germane to the case.

1:00:37 Drew Is it not?

1:00:38 Adam It's all they have.

1:00:39 Drew And yet Rush Limbaugh has to expose his medical records, which are irrelevant to what he was doing. He's been caught doing what he did. He's an addict. Of course he shopped around. Every addict does that.

1:00:51 Adam Right.

1:00:51 Drew And his medical records, not to defend Rush in any other way, except to say, that guy's medical records is the one that has to be opened?

1:00:58 Adam Yeah. It's ridiculous. It is if whether you have a long history of beating your wives or you were an abuse victim and had been through, you know, many other cases like this or situations like this, of course you need to know that going into this case. Doesn't mean you weren't raped and it doesn't mean you killed this wife, but it sure helps. It really does. Yeah. Yeah. To me, that's all the case. That's half the case.

1:01:31 Drew It's like the circumstances will count. It's not whether somebody actually was found with the gun or confessed.

1:01:37 Caller It's yeah.

1:01:38 Drew What are the circumstances?

1:01:39 Adam Yeah. I mean, all those 911 calls of Nicole crying, yelling, he's going to kill me. Go ahead and factor that in.

1:01:48 Drew It affects how I feel about it.

1:01:50 Adam I don't know about the other human being would.

1:01:51 Drew Yeah.

1:01:52 Adam That's right.

1:01:53 Drew All right.

1:01:54 Adam And by the way, that case still by the way, but on the good side, too, like, don't worry, we're going to catch the killer.

1:02:00 Drew Don't worry. No, we're going to.

1:02:04 Adam He's on. He's in a sand bunker somewhere on Pebble Beach. They're looking for the point. And but but but also you should be able to use your ex wife who you never beat. Right. You know, she should say, oh, no, this guy never raised a hand. I got drunk and punched him in the stomach once. He didn't raise a hand to me. Use that. Right. Because that's all you need to know. It's all you need to know. All right. Let's hop back to the phones. We'll speak to Dustin. It was 19. Dustin.

1:02:34 Caller Hey, what's going on, guys?

1:02:35 Adam What's happening?

1:02:39 Caller Got a question for Dr. Drew, I guess. What are the if there's any permanent effects of opiate use?

1:02:46 Drew Well, one of the reasons opiates are so popular to pain medication is they don't hurt anything. They leave the body essentially unaffected by their analgesic or pain relieving properties. The problem with opiates are that for genetically prone individuals, they trigger the most severe and life-threatening forms of addiction. So if you're using opiates, what?

1:03:09 Caller So it's the addiction that's the bad thing about opiates.

1:03:14 Drew That is really the only bad thing to speak of, release of significance. But the addiction will kill you. And I'm not talking about dependency and I'm not talking about withdrawal. I'm talking about the alteration of the drive systems of your brain, such that when you try to stop using opiates, it will change everything. Everything you think, everything you feel. And the total priority of every shred of impulse in your body will be to get back on drugs, even when you know you absolutely shouldn't.

1:03:42 Caller Exactly. And how long does that last?

1:03:44 Drew The rest of your life. That's why you have to be in treatment.

1:03:48 Adam Wow, maybe longer.

1:03:49 Drew You have to be treated.

1:03:50 Adam We don't know what happens after you die.

1:03:52 Drew It has to be treated.

1:03:53 Adam It could be longer.

1:03:54 Drew It must be treated, Dustin. You've got to get a program.

1:03:57 Caller Okay, so programs, it could be fixed by treatment though, even if it permanently affects the way your brain works?

1:04:03 Drew Yes, that's what we do in treatment, is change all that.

1:04:06 Caller Alright, cool.

1:04:07 Adam Alright, he's calling from...

1:04:09 Drew What's that? Great, good times. Alright, buddy boy. Good luck.

1:04:13 Adam Good luck. Thanks. He's calling from Louisiana. Mm-hmm. On picture, just a treatment center is just like a guy passing a cider jug around to people like maybe a little picking and grinning.

1:04:26 Drew Looking out across the sea of those big... What are those things called? Those big rodents?

1:04:31 Adam Oh, Nutria.

1:04:32 Drew Nutria running around the backyard there.

1:04:33 Adam Yeah, shots going on. Yeah. Yeah, big rats.

1:04:38 Drew Huge. Huge, like size of like mountain lions.

1:04:41 Adam Not that big.

1:04:42 Drew They're big though.

1:04:43 Adam They get bigger every time you tell the story.

1:04:44 Drew They're like raccoons.

1:04:46 Adam Yeah, I think they're raccoon size. Put it this way. They were going to use them for their pelts and then they got out of control. It's a cool story.

1:04:54 Drew They're taking over New Orleans.

1:04:55 Caller Oh my God.

1:04:56 Drew You know what it is?

1:04:57 Adam It's a good story. It's a good time. You shoot them and you get a buck.

1:05:01 Drew Yeah, they pay you for them.

1:05:03 Adam Buck ahead.

1:05:04 Caller They pay you to shoot them?

1:05:05 Drew Mm-hmm.

1:05:05 Caller Do you have to bring back their skins or something?

1:05:08 Adam No, they take your word for it. I shot 100 million of them over the weekend. Now check's good. Yeah, no, you got to show them something.

1:05:18 Caller Good grief.

1:05:19 Adam Yeah. Yeah, the guy's just driving around shooting at them. It's good times, though. I mean, they're really like, here's the thing. Everyone wants to shoot. You know, it's a fun idea to blow something's head off. The problem is, is you don't want to, you know, a bear is so majestic. And then, you know, the the elk and the moose, you know, it's no good.

1:05:39 Drew And then they're against them, too.

1:05:41 Adam Rabbits are kind of cuddly and stuff. And then and then, you know, raccoons don't seem like a good thing to shoot because, you know, they use their hands like we do. And I got little kids, little kids and stuff that hang with them. So you got to see, here's all things like I would like to shoot stuff, but I can't find anything good to shoot. But like Nutria, I could shoot because they're disgusting. Yeah, it's like, it's like, well, first off, it's OK to shoot ugly stuff. That's one thing I've learned. It's OK to be mean to fat people and it's OK to shoot ugly stuff. Well, I think we've all learned that as a society, because really, the difference between rabbits and Nutria is one is ugly. Really? And it and one's cuddly and it's perfectly fine to shoot the ugly one. The ugly one deserves to die. I mean, you got to be punished. How are you going to learn your lesson about being ugly? You know what I'm saying? Well, if you do think about it philosophically, if you think about the way we treat like insects, like, you know, ladybug versus a cockroach and, you know, insects are all basically insects. They don't do any good and they don't do any harm. And some are worse than others. But cockroach never killed anybody. They're just ugly.

1:06:51 Caller Horrible. And they carry disease.

1:06:52 Drew Those centipedes you have in your house, too, disgust me.

1:06:55 Adam They always say they always say cockroach. They always say cockroach has carried disease. But I have probably about as much as any other animal that's around your house and your hands. Yeah, your hands carry.

1:07:07 Drew Yeah. Yeah.

1:07:08 Caller A cockroach.

1:07:10 Adam It's my that's my point.

1:07:12 Caller OK, I get your disgusting.

1:07:13 Adam My point is, is cockroaches need to die and butterflies need to be admired. I don't know if I don't think anyone, either one of them is any inherently better than the other, it's just one is very ugly, needs to die and and nutria need to die and bunny rabbits need to live.

1:07:33 Caller It really make a really nice coat out of a rabbit.

1:07:37 Adam At least use it for. Yeah. Use it to line some gloves or something. But now, now taking that mindset, now let's let's let's focus on humans. Wow. Now it's a little scary, isn't it?

1:07:48 Drew Yes, the human brain is scary.

1:07:51 Caller Especially yours, Ed.

1:07:52 Adam You guys could all live because you're beautiful. I would let you stay. I give myself a pass too because it was my idea. Chris, we need to talk.

1:08:03 Drew No.

1:08:03 Adam No, we need to talk.

1:08:05 Caller That is wrong.

1:08:06 Adam All right. We're going to take a break.

1:08:08 Drew Let's go.

1:08:09 Adam You want to, as a reminder, Chris, show Chris how to show Drew how to run the board real fast.

1:08:14 Drew I know, I used to run the board.

1:08:15 Adam Oh, you okay?

1:08:17 Drew Great.

1:08:19 Adam Let's go to the Jock Lounge. I want to talk.

1:08:23 Drew All right.

1:08:24 Adam Jerri Manthey here tonight from Survivor. We'll take a quick break. We'll hear something from Jerri's band after this as well. All after this. Hey everybody, it's Love Line. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Gerrymanthi here tonight from Survivor. You also remember her from The Surreal Life, which is a show I enjoyed immensely. Aw.

1:09:11 Caller It was a fun one, wasn't it?

1:09:12 Adam It was. The first season, the second I didn't get as...

1:09:16 Caller It was scary that second season.

1:09:18 Adam It seemed to have lost its allure somehow, but I really did enjoy the first season with Jerri.

1:09:26 Caller The second season was a bunch of freaks.

1:09:28 Adam Yeah.

1:09:29 Caller It was scary.

1:09:30 Adam I think they tried to up the anthe a little bit and it lost its charm. Yes, Drew?

1:09:36 Drew Yes, Adam.

1:09:37 Caller There's going to be a third one.

1:09:39 Drew Let's take one call and then hear a Jerri Manthey song.

1:09:41 Adam I tell you, I caught a little buzz this afternoon, I gotta be honest with you. Yeah.

1:09:48 Drew You're good this way. It's good. We do that again? I know you're drinking a bottle of wine every night. You might as well dose up before you get here if it helps your attitude.

1:09:55 Adam Let me tell you.

1:09:56 Caller You seem very mellow. Yeah.

1:09:59 Adam I attended two weddings today.

1:10:01 Drew What?

1:10:01 Caller Two weddings.

1:10:02 Drew A weekday wedding?

1:10:03 Adam Weekday.

1:10:04 Drew What's that?

1:10:05 Caller People are still getting married.

1:10:06 Adam No, because I'm filming this ABC special and as part of it, there's weddings. And so I had to sort of preside over, I had to make the toast at two of these weddings by the way.

1:10:16 Drew Did you have to write them?

1:10:21 Caller You had to toast people you didn't know?

1:10:24 Drew What about this one? They didn't hand you a written toast.

1:10:26 Adam Oh, no, no. But the point is, is, yeah, nice, you know, drinking a little white wine, a little champagne and times two weddings this afternoon.

1:10:34 Drew Wow.

1:10:34 Adam A little afternoon buzz. I'll tell you, not bad. Now, I'm not talking about, you know, drinking grain alcohol or something.

1:10:42 Caller Yeah, that is good out of good times.

1:10:44 Caller As long as you don't lay down for a nap.

1:10:45 Adam A little white wine.

1:10:46 Drew Oh, he got his nap in.

1:10:47 Adam I could use a little white wine.

1:10:48 Drew You got your nap in too, didn't you?

1:10:49 Adam I'm sort of like the white, you know, here's.

1:10:51 Drew During the day when the lights up.

1:10:52 Adam Oh, no, I didn't get home until almost eight o'clock.

1:10:55 Drew But during the day when the sun was up, you were drinking the white wine.

1:10:57 Adam Yeah, yeah. This is my point. This could be my new schedule. Couple glasses of white wine, you know, around 11, depending on when I get up 113012, a brunch-ish glass of white wine. Just take the edge off. And a little more. You know, I had a couple Sangrias and stuff, I don't need to dilute things. Just a little champagne or a little white wine during the day and then off to the red wine in the later evening.

1:11:26 Caller Red wine will put you to sleep.

1:11:28 Adam That's right. That's right. The white wine, just it feels good. Coasting.

1:11:31 Caller It's a bit zestier.

1:11:32 Adam Coasting right through the day. Coasting. Anna?

1:11:36 Drew Yes.

1:11:37 Adam Anna, I'm a better man for it. Yes, Drew?

1:11:39 Drew You are. I think that you've been working every day and yesterday I thought that was going to be it. You were going to make it.

1:11:43 Adam That would be a horrible boom.

1:11:44 Drew But then today it's good. Now I know why these husbands and wives are their alcoholic spouses. They keep them loaded.

1:11:51 Adam Sure.

1:11:51 Drew They're a little better. Yeah. Until things get out of control.

1:11:54 Adam And they put out. Yeah, of course. Anna? Bang the bejesus out of a cameraman. Didn't even know who he was. You're 22. What's going on?

1:12:05 Drew Did he start with a behind-the-scenes?

1:12:07 Adam He broke my behind-the-scenes.

1:12:11 Drew Go ahead.

1:12:13 Caller I was molested in grade school, I was in second grade, and it was a friend of my older brother and he was in eighth grade.

1:12:22 Adam Did you say second grade you were in?

1:12:24 Caller I was in second grade.

1:12:26 Drew Yes.

1:12:27 Adam Yes. All right.

1:12:28 Caller And after that, my whole attitude about everything changed and I ended up gaining a lot of weight. I became very introverted, I used to be very talkative, extroverted and then it just all switched. And I kind of went through phases of that and then, well, obviously I gained a lot of weight in high school and when I graduated from high school, things sucked. And I was in counseling all through high school and I hated all my counselors.

1:12:57 Drew Did you tell them about the, did you tell any of them about your abuse?

1:13:00 Caller I did. A little bit. But I never, I never really talked about it. So, how? Well, then I started dating after high school and a couple of my boyfriends, you know, I believe in not having sex until I'm married and I understand it's a big thing for guys not having sex and some of them respected that and my first boyfriend was very respectful and when he broke up with me, he was like, well, you're the first girlfriend I've never had sex with and whatever.

1:13:34 Adam All right.

1:13:35 Drew All right. All right.

1:13:35 Adam All right. What's the question?

1:13:37 Caller Well, how do I go about a relationship without having sex with a guy? I mean, I know I don't want to have sex, but how do you get a guy to understand that?

1:13:49 Jerri Manthey Obsessed with anal sex.

1:13:52 Adam Anna.

1:13:53 Jerri Manthey Yes.

1:13:54 Adam Are you religious or it's just a conviction?

1:13:58 Caller It's both.

1:14:01 Drew But this is a reaction to the trauma. And this is a way of keeping people at arm's length so you can't be intimate. The problem is going to be when she does start having sex, a whole other series of horrible feelings are going to occur and it's going to affect her ability to have a stable relationship in a marriage. So it's about time you start dealing with this stuff now. It's really not about the sex. It's about the intimacy. And unless you do something about that, waiting till marriage is not going to avoid the kinds of problems that are ahead.

1:14:28 Adam No, that's going to be a tough honeymoon.

1:14:30 Drew Now, in terms of finding guys that cooperate with this, you've got to find guys who value this same thing the way you do, or not guys who are reacting to trauma like you are. And that's going to be probably, when you say religious guys, probably.

1:14:43 Adam Yeah, or guys who are gay and you'll be just a beard for them. Well, I'm being realistic.

1:14:49 Caller Wait, we say that again. What did you say about gay guys?

1:14:52 Adam Well, gay guys who are looking for a beard can do this too.

1:14:57 Caller Would love to be in a relationship with a woman without sex. Yeah.

1:15:00 Adam So, Anna, you got to get some therapy.

1:15:03 Caller Well, what kind of therapy do you suggest?

1:15:06 Drew Just plain old individual psychotherapy because you need to find a way to have intimacy again. This is not about the sex. I guarantee you.

1:15:13 Adam Very insightful, Drew.

1:15:14 Drew All right.

1:15:16 Caller I mean, I've been in therapy right now. I'm going to school for massage therapy and it's very hard because we work on each other in class and there are days where I'm on the table and I have partnered classmates that I'm really close with and we're all in the same class. We've been together for the last eight months and I'm comfortable with them, but there are days where I'll just break down and cry on the table.

1:15:38 Drew Well, that's all kind of positive, really.

1:15:41 Adam Well, you got to go to therapy, too.

1:15:42 Caller I hear that happens a lot in massage therapy.

1:15:45 Adam Well, you got a lot of nut jobs attracted to the business, too. And by the way, this is what I can't stand about life, you know, the person that breaks down and they start crying and it's kind of weird, you know, that weird work.

1:15:59 Drew Yeah, but then they have to go, you see, it's releasing the energy flow. It's like, no, she's reliving her sexual abuse from childhood. It feels like I just came on.

1:16:07 Adam I just had a great idea, which is signing up for a massage therapy course and then coming in like three days into two casts on both hands.

1:16:18 Drew Just take a massage.

1:16:19 Adam I was thrown off a horse and and basically I'm riding it out and then now it just become the massage dummy. And I just lie there sipping my white wine, getting massage for like nine hours a day, drooling on yourself. And other people like, OK, Pig Pile, nine of you, get on me, all of you. And they all, you know, take a part, you know, for the final.

1:16:42 Caller Why not just call that an orgy, Adam?

1:16:45 Adam Well, how dare you? How dare you?

1:16:48 Caller Actually, a gang bang, I guess would be better.

1:16:50 Adam How dare you barge into my studio?

1:16:54 Drew And attack your profession.

1:16:56 Adam Verbally attack my profession. I know.

1:17:00 Drew Let's listen to a song. And think about the massage. Yeah.

1:17:04 Adam Now, Jerri's got a band.

1:17:06 Caller I am part of a 30 person band called The Mutator.

1:17:10 Adam And how did that work? Do they know you're in the band? Yes, they do.

1:17:15 Drew Because she's the one that throws fire.

1:17:18 Caller I spin fire, yeah.

1:17:20 Adam You do like the tiki torch where you spin around?

1:17:24 Caller No, it's called fire poi. And it's chains and at the end is a ball of Kevlar that you dip in white gas.

1:17:31 Adam It's chains.

1:17:31 Caller And then you spin, yes.

1:17:33 Adam And is the whole thing a chain with the two ends on it? Or is there a solid part, a stick to it?

1:17:40 Caller No, at the end is a loop that you put around your fingers. And that's what you hold it with.

1:17:45 Adam Oh, that's the end?

1:17:46 Caller Yeah, and you spin it. Sounds like a key chain. It's a dance that actually began like in New Zealand with the Maori women.

1:17:54 Adam Yeah.

1:17:55 Caller They weren't allowed to speak in public places, so they started dancing with fire poi. And so now it's, you know.

1:18:03 Adam I would have told them to knock that off, too. By the way, ladies, by the way, don't answer, just nod.

1:18:09 Drew No fire.

1:18:10 Adam No fire either.

1:18:11 Caller The band is called Mutator. And our whole thing is that we mutate people when they come to see us.

1:18:17 Adam Now, what does that mean?

1:18:19 Drew They melt.

1:18:20 Adam They turn into something.

1:18:22 Caller You're gay. We're kind of we're like Blue Man Group meets Stomp meets Cirque du Soleil.

1:18:28 Adam Oh, really?

1:18:28 Caller And it's fire performers, hula hoopers, aerial artists.

1:18:32 Adam Now, are you singing as well or just throwing fire around?

1:18:37 Caller No, the fire performance is only a small part of it. There's a lot of things going on. People when they are very overwhelmed when they come to see us because they don't. There's all these just beautiful things going on stage and girls and really cool little costumes.

1:18:49 Adam So you basically say drop some acid, come out to mutate. I'm reading between the lines.

1:18:55 Caller We don't judge.

1:18:57 Adam You got to get groovy, Drew. And where might we see you?

1:19:02 Caller We have a big show the 28th of May at the Key Club.

1:19:06 Adam Key Club.

1:19:07 Caller Yes, and you can go to mutator.com, mutaytor.com and check out all of our.

1:19:14 Adam And do you, will you travel around with Mutator?

1:19:16 Caller Yeah, we've played at Sundance. We just played Universal Studios. We've been in Vegas.

1:19:23 Adam Well, let's, I'll tell you what, let's hear a little sample. Now what would you be doing now?

1:19:34 Caller I'm actually in this song drumming.

1:19:36 Adam Oh, are you?

1:19:37 Caller Yeah, I play the djembe drums.

1:19:39 Adam Is that the two or the one?

1:19:40 Caller It's the one. It's a ten-hand drum.

1:19:42 Drew Is that the one we hear?

1:19:46 Caller Yeah, there's quite, there's like over 50 drums in this band. Yeah.

1:19:52 Adam Did she say drunks?

1:19:54 Drew White wine, white wine drums. Yeah.

1:19:56 Adam And all right, so in this song you're playing, you're playing the drums.

1:19:59 Caller Djembe drums, yeah.

1:20:00 Adam Djembe drums. And then, now who was singing?

1:20:05 Caller Those are tracks that are brought in, there's two guys that have laptops and they've layered all these different tracks of sounds and vocals.

1:20:12 Adam So it's just sort of like a cosmic jam session for the senses.

1:20:17 Caller Oh, it's amazing.

1:20:18 Adam Wow.

1:20:18 Caller And the crowd literally at the beginning of the night is just standing there, they don't know what to think and by the end they're jumping up and down and screaming.

1:20:25 Adam It's like Burning Man or something.

1:20:27 Caller That's where the band originated.

1:20:29 Adam Oh really?

1:20:29 Drew How weird is that?

1:20:30 Caller In 1999, yeah.

1:20:32 Drew You've not mentioned Burning Man in five years.

1:20:35 Adam I've probably brought it up once in the nine years I've been here. No.

1:20:38 Caller This will be my sixth year.

1:20:40 Adam Oh, going to Burning Man?

1:20:42 Caller Yeah, I go every year.

1:20:43 Adam Wow. What do you do? You get naked and run around?

1:20:47 Caller If you want. You can do whatever you want.

1:20:50 Adam What's the funkiest, freakiest, and by the way, explain what Burning Man is. We got a lot of people like in Ohio who don't know what that is.

1:21:00 Caller Everyone will explain it differently.

1:21:02 Drew Except for the Burning Man. You can explain that.

1:21:07 Caller Well, it's basically a temporary city built in the middle of nowhere. There's like 30,000 people.

1:21:12 Adam Middle of the desert.

1:21:13 Drew Arizona or something.

1:21:15 Caller Nevada. The most barren desert I've ever seen is like no rocks, no trees. We build a city and literally there's like a daily newspaper. There's like 40 radio stations that people broadcast from their tents.

1:21:28 Drew How long are they there for, the city?

1:21:30 Caller It's for a week. But there are people that are like right now planning this year's event already.

1:21:36 Adam And it takes place in the summer or something?

1:21:39 Caller The end of August, yeah.

1:21:40 Caller It's got to be brutal.

1:21:43 Caller It's very hot. And dust storms, the environmental aspect of it is very challenging.

1:21:48 Adam Well, you want people to walk around their underpants, Drew. You can't do it in December.

1:21:51 Drew That makes sense.

1:21:52 Adam You'd be smart.

1:21:53 Caller Actually, you dehydrate faster when you're naked in the desert.

1:21:56 Drew And there's a huge wooden man.

1:22:00 Caller Yes. In the middle of the city, there's like a five-story wooden man that at the end of the event, we burn down and everybody's cheering.

1:22:09 Adam And people show up in tents and trailers, Winnebago's, that kind of stuff. And then at night, just bonfires and parties and people sort of float from tribe to tribe. Or how's it work?

1:22:21 Caller It's set up literally with streets that are laid out with water trucks. And they marks, there's road signs. You have an address and everything. It's very well organized. But it's the most freeing experience you'll ever have.

1:22:35 Drew You set up a tent.

1:22:37 Caller If you want, you can bring a tent. Some people bring RVs. I prefer a tent.

1:22:41 Adam Let me tell you my problem. I'll tell you my problem with this. It happens to me every time I go camping. There's always some a-hole who's a couple of campsites over. It's that dude who wants a beer and a hang. And because there's this sort of communal vibe, it's sort of like, hey, dude. And so they'll come over and they'll be like, hey, what's happening? I'm just a couple of whatever. And it always starts off cool. Like, hey, all right, what are you guys doing? Where are you guys from? And then the guy pulls up a log and four and a half hours and six cases of your beer later. It's like getting to the point where you've got to tell him, hey, get the F out of it. You know, I came. I didn't come to hang with your sorry ass out in the woods. No, but look, if the guy came around who was the coolest guy he ever met, but that doesn't happen. That guy doesn't show up. It's sort of moocher burnout is sort of a little angry, little cells, a little sense of entitlement. Also may kill you with a spoon. Like there's a little element of, is this guy fugitive or something? I don't want to rub this guy the wrong way. It seems like we're getting along pretty good. I don't want to freak him out and tell him to get the hell out of here. But I imagine an entire city filled with these guys. You want to just come and hang.

1:24:01 Caller You will find the most intelligent, interesting people out there.

1:24:04 Adam No weird mooch or guy wants to drink your, eat your peyote and drink your rye.

1:24:08 Caller I mean, we're very big on being self-sufficient and being prepared because it takes so much energy to get out there and so much preparation that it kind of keeps the yahoos out. But there's, I mean, there's always that element, a little bit of it, you know. But there are people that show up and build like huge bars and it's fully stocked and you get there and you don't spend any money. It's all about gifting.

1:24:32 Adam This guy just funds all this stuff himself? I mean, the guy who owns the bar?

1:24:35 Caller Yeah, whoever. And there's hundreds of them.

1:24:37 Adam He's a cult leader. How many years has this been going on?

1:24:40 Caller I think it's been going on about 16 years, something like that.

1:24:44 Adam And so this will be your seventh year?

1:24:45 Caller Yeah. Sixth year, yeah.

1:24:48 Adam Freak out.

1:24:49 Caller It's great.

1:24:50 Adam All right.

1:24:50 Caller But this band, yeah, The Mutators started out there.

1:24:53 Adam Perfect.

1:24:54 Caller We're like a big family.

1:24:55 Adam All right. Now we got to take a break.

1:24:57 Drew Sorry.

1:24:57 Adam But that sounded good. I like that. And it was nice. I like it behind me when I'm talking.

1:25:03 Drew It's like somebody had to walk behind you with that fire.

1:25:13 Adam Please. We will take ourselves a quick break. We'll be right back. Loveline, I'm Adam and that's Dr. Drew. Jerri Manthey here tonight.

1:25:45 Caller Hello.

1:25:46 Adam Burning woman, Jerri Manthey. Survivor and Surreal Life and Playboy and oh, what hasn't she done?

1:25:57 Caller The Mutator.

1:25:59 Adam And The Mutator.

1:26:01 Caller And Extreme Dodgeball.

1:26:02 Adam Oh, Extreme Dodgeball, which is coming up. Yeah. When is that going to air?

1:26:06 Caller It starts June 15th at 10 p.m. on GSN.

1:26:11 Adam What's GSN?

1:26:12 Caller It used to be called the Game Show Network, but now they don't like to be called that anymore.

1:26:16 Adam Oh, I see. Let's go with the GSN.

1:26:18 Caller It's the WWF of Dodgeball. Absolute insanity.

1:26:23 Adam I like that.

1:26:24 Caller Yeah.

1:26:25 Adam I mean, it's funny. Dodgeball is one of those things they force you to stop playing at about the fourth or fifth grade.

1:26:33 Caller I don't think they let people play anymore in school.

1:26:35 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:26:35 Caller Oh, I think it's been now like ruled out now.

1:26:38 Adam No, no, because big. Oh, really? Well, you drew what you just do the mic pulled it towards me. OK, that's you'd actually you'd actually worked it like a speed bag. Punches the mic every night. Now, here's what I'm saying. I in public school, I don't know if they let you play dodgeball anymore. They certainly don't let you call it smear the queer.

1:26:58 Drew Well, I guess they call it butts up.

1:27:02 Adam And is it is dodgeball what we used to call like soccer, where you put the teams on each side and the people in the middle and they can rally, they can throw it over and try to pin up, try to pin a guy.

1:27:13 Caller It's I mean, it's more or less like, you know, in this situation, it's five people on each side of the court throwing the ball, trying to hit the other person. And if you catch the ball, then that person who threw it is out.

1:27:25 Adam Right.

1:27:25 Caller And this one's got some really cool rules.

1:27:27 Adam They will throw the ball all the way over, try to get the herd going back and forth a little, won't they?

1:27:33 Caller No, no, I think you're thinking Red Rover.

1:27:36 Adam I know. I'm thinking I think I'm thinking Saco.

1:27:40 Caller Never heard of that.

1:27:41 Adam Well, here's the thing. All right. Let me just figure this out with dodgeball. You got teams.

1:27:45 Caller Yeah.

1:27:46 Adam You got the team that's inside dodging and you got the outside.

1:27:50 Drew We used to have it.

1:27:51 Caller Now there's two teams that take opposite sides of the court. It's like on a basketball court split in half, right? Five on each side.

1:27:59 Adam Right.

1:27:59 Caller And they try to hit the other people on the other team.

1:28:03 Drew A very complex rule.

1:28:04 Adam That's it. All right. So just red team this side, blue team that side. Let's go at it.

1:28:11 Caller This one is just it's a twist on it because there's like sumo wrestlers playing against horse jockeys, AIDS victims. And no, I don't know.

1:28:21 Adam That's what I, you know, I was thinking thin people. All right. Survivors. So I mean, survivor. And and what's the winner get? Or can you tell us what they get? Money. Yeah.

1:28:35 Caller Yeah. It's ten thousand dollars.

1:28:38 Adam It's not bad for a game of dodge. No, I'm just saying. I think people would continue playing dodgeball. Like, like, here's the thing. I was done with tetherball before before it was done with me. But dodgeball, I could have kept going with. Yeah. So you stop playing tetherball in the sixth grade. I was done with it in the fourth grade. Dodgeball. I could have kept going. I could still be playing that.

1:28:59 Caller I'll see if I can get you on one of the teams.

1:29:01 Adam See what you can do.

1:29:02 Caller Like radio DJs.

1:29:05 Adam Pull a few strings.

1:29:06 Jerri Manthey Pull a few strings.

1:29:08 Adam Karen.

1:29:08 Jerri Manthey Yeah.

1:29:09 Adam You're 20.

1:29:10 Jerri Manthey Yes.

1:29:11 Adam What's up?

1:29:13 Jerri Manthey Ever since last October, I tried to get pregnant and the donor actually gave me chlamydia, which I got treated and taken care of.

1:29:23 Drew The donor.

1:29:24 Adam The donor.

1:29:25 Drew The breeder.

1:29:26 Jerri Manthey Yeah.

1:29:26 Adam Oh, really? Oh, so you had sex with a guy?

1:29:30 Jerri Manthey Yes.

1:29:30 Adam You're a lesbian?

1:29:31 Jerri Manthey Yes.

1:29:32 Adam OK, so you had sex with a guy and he just gave you, he didn't get you pregnant, but he gave you a venereal disease. Yeah.

1:29:39 Caller That'll keep you a lesbian.

1:29:42 Drew It's interesting how she chose the one guy she does choose to have sex with as a guy that's unreliable, unreliable, and brutalized.

1:29:49 Jerri Manthey And now I've been having irregular periods, and I've never had them before. And they're really strange. I stopped having periods in the beginning, and then I started having them again, but they're really light.

1:30:02 Drew How were you treated for the chlamydia?

1:30:04 Jerri Manthey It was this one dose of, it was kind of like Ococelcer.

1:30:09 Drew Zithromax, yeah. And did they give you anything else after that?

1:30:13 Jerri Manthey No, that was it.

1:30:14 Drew You're not on birth control pills? You didn't take the Depo shot or anything like that? Pretty much unrelated, I suspect.

1:30:23 Adam Do you have a lesbian partner?

1:30:24 Jerri Manthey Yes.

1:30:25 Adam And you guys are ready to start a family?

1:30:30 Jerri Manthey We wanted to try for a little girl.

1:30:33 Adam Yeah, but what if you didn't get a little girl? You just killed it?

1:30:35 Drew Well, we just keep having kids.

1:30:38 Adam By the way.

1:30:38 Jerri Manthey We would have preferred to have a little girl.

1:30:40 Adam I see. Well, how old is your lesbian partner?

1:30:43 Jerri Manthey She's 25.

1:30:44 Drew What do you guys do for a living?

1:30:46 Jerri Manthey She's a medical biller and I'm currently unemployed.

1:30:52 Drew Currently?

1:30:52 Jerri Manthey Well, I'm going to be going to school in the fall.

1:30:56 Drew To study what?

1:30:57 Jerri Manthey To computers. Like an IT department.

1:31:01 Adam Good. Hey, Karen. You're 20. You got plenty of time. Plus, here's my prediction. Most people, they break up, lesbian or not, when they're 20. So you could spit out a kid, stay with this chick for another 16 months, and then be some 21-year-old chick who had an infant who was on her own who didn't have a job or anything. So maybe you don't want to put yourself in that position.

1:31:27 Drew Just finish up school first. Also, you want to be able to dedicate yourself to your school. Right. And not be busy taking care of a child. Maybe not. All right.

1:31:36 Adam I didn't want to know what happened to you, but something horrible. Get some therapy.

1:31:40 Drew And the zithromax did not screw up your periods.

1:31:43 Adam All right.

1:31:43 Caller That's kind of your blanket statement, huh? Let's get some therapy.

1:31:46 Adam Yeah. I guarantee she wasn't born a lesbian.

1:31:50 Drew Do you want to ask?

1:31:51 Caller What are your thoughts on self-therapy, like people who can work through things on their own?

1:31:58 Drew You can't do it. It's only for people that don't get therapy. It turns out that our brains, this has now been on, there's a lot of good evidence now of how we rebuild and reintegrate our brain mechanisms, and it is from other people. We cannot make change on our own.

1:32:10 Caller So I should see somebody about my post-traumatic stress disorder.

1:32:13 Drew Yeah, that's the only way it's going to change. You can control the symptoms, but the actual integrative mechanisms don't change without a dyadic exchange. You could also just spend time with a good friend, but somebody has to reflect your experience and show appreciation for what you're feeling.

1:32:28 Adam What if my good friend is white wine? That's my medicine. That's my daytime medicine.

1:32:35 Caller Taboo 12. Or a hookah.

1:32:36 Adam Yeah. My date, my dayquel, white wine, my nightquel, red wine, you see?

1:32:42 Drew Oh man, you're cool.

1:32:43 Adam Yeah. Let's take ourselves a little break here. We'll be right back after this.

1:32:50 Jerri Manthey Okay, so I know there's nothing wrong with me. So what's up?

1:32:56 Caller But I tried everything else and thought, what the hell?

1:33:05 Drew 877-889-DATE.

1:33:36 Adam Well, that's the show everybody.

1:33:39 Caller Oh.

1:33:40 Adam I know. Where's the time go?

1:33:42 Caller It goes by so fast.

1:33:43 Adam It really does. That'd be a good song for the Transformers. No, the Transmuters. Mutilators.

1:33:51 Caller The Mutators.

1:33:52 Adam The Mutilators. Everybody, Jerri Manthey, put your hands together. God bless you, baby doll. We will take ourselves a nice little 22-hour break. We'll be back with Bam Majer from MTV's Viva La Bam. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Drew loves all that jazz.

1:34:14 Drew No, I'm thinking about my date.

1:34:15 Adam I'm like, why?

1:34:16 Caller Yeah, don't do that. You won't be able to sleep tonight.

1:34:18 Adam Oh, he will. All right. So until next time, Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:34:24 Drew What happened to you growing up? You were sexually abused? Nothing like that happened growing up.

1:34:31 Caller Maybe.

1:34:35 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors or this station. The producer for Loveline is Annie Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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