Episode 1000607310949

0:54 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content.

0:57 Voiceover The listener discretion is advised.

1:00 Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:06 Voiceover Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Uh-oh.

1:14 Drew I'm here, I'm here.

1:15 Adam Can you hear me?

1:16 Drew Yeah, loud and clear, everything's good.

1:18 Adam I can hear me about three seconds after me says whatever me word comes out of me mouth.

1:23 Drew Turn your headphones down.

1:25 Adam All right, then I can't hear me at all. Ron Pearlman is here tonight, otherwise known as Hellboy, which, now Drew, you saw Hellboy, right? Or your kids saw it twice?

1:37 Drew No, I saw it with them once and they went immediately and saw it again the next day.

1:40 Ron Pearlman How come you didn't go the second time, Drew?

1:44 Drew Come on.

1:45 Ron Pearlman What didn't I do right?

1:46 Drew Well, I'm gonna see it four more times, no doubt.

1:50 Adam You went 13 hours without seeing Hellboy and you couldn't go see it again?

1:54 Drew And I'm embarrassed and I'm humbling myself before you, Ron, but it was a great film. Good job.

1:59 Ron Pearlman No problem. Can I get a check, please, and a taxi?

2:02 Adam It, yeah, in about two hours. Hellboy, number one, the week before last, it's opening week, and then got bumped by The Passion and the Cry, so that's an Easter thing. And I'm sure it'll be back next week, although I'm trying to think who the competition is next week.

2:21 Ron Pearlman Kill Bill is the big competition.

2:22 Adam That's a different movie.

2:24 Ron Pearlman Yeah, you saw the first one.

2:26 Adam Different crowd, yeah. Yeah, and I was watching, now I've not seen Hellboy yet, but I have, I do watch Siskel, no, Ebert and Roper, and gave it quite a nice review for guys that are a little stingy with the thumbs.

2:42 Ron Pearlman Ebert did, I really missed Siskel during that.

2:46 Adam During that review?

2:47 Ron Pearlman During that review, yeah.

2:48 Adam They both liked it, it's just, Roper's a little snobby.

2:52 Ron Pearlman He got a little curmudgeonly.

2:55 Adam Yeah, well, I think he feels like it's better television if he disagrees.

2:59 Drew Well, here's the reality, it was a tour de force, tour de force for Ron, seriously, I mean, seriously, on camera the entire time, amazing scenes, amazing stunts, and my kids have got to have your autograph, by the way, now that I've kissed your ass.

3:13 Ron Pearlman We brought you some signed lithographs. And then when we found out that you aren't here, we just gave them to the rest of your staff.

3:19 Drew Holy Christ.

3:20 Adam And we promptly sold them on eBay.

3:23 Ron Pearlman And they went for a pretty, a couple, three dollars.

3:26 Drew Well, that's, well.

3:27 Ron Pearlman Catching.

3:28 Adam Drew, you're in Muncie right now?

3:30 Drew Yeah.

3:31 Ron Pearlman Muncie, Indiana, Muncie. Oh, no, that's Gary.

3:34 Adam What are you doing in Muncie, Indiana?

3:37 Drew You're going to Ball State. You know what's Ball State is famous for? David Letterman.

3:42 Adam Oh, really?

3:43 Drew That's his school.

3:43 Ron Pearlman Yeah.

3:44 Adam They get Letterman over there?

3:45 Drew No, no, that was his school. I see.

3:47 Adam I thought they'd just watch it sometime.

3:49 Ron Pearlman He teaches there? What does he do?

3:50 Drew He went to school here.

3:51 Ron Pearlman He still has a show, doesn't he?

3:53 Adam And Drew, you want to know what you want to know what the LA Valley College is famous for? I think I guess.

4:01 Drew No.

4:01 Adam Adam Carolla went to LA Valley College.

4:04 Drew Thank you, Anderson.

4:05 Ron Pearlman Well, now that we're dropping names.

4:07 Adam Yeah. Where'd you go, Ron?

4:09 Ron Pearlman I went to, well, you know, in kindergarten, I was a PS. 173.

4:14 Adam Wow.

4:15 Ron Pearlman Which is on 173rd Street, curiously enough, in Upper Manhattan. Wow. Wow. 115 for what we lovingly referred to as Junior High.

4:27 Adam Is PS. Public School?

4:29 Ron Pearlman PS is Public School. I like. We were so poor, we couldn't afford the entire moniker. We had to just use the initials.

4:38 Adam Now, Junior High for you was 7th, 8th, and 9th, right?

4:41 Ron Pearlman That's right. Except not 8th because I was an SP. Speaking of initials, which meant special progress, which meant no 8th grade. So I went straight from 7th to 9th. Then it was like my uncle got 7th to 9th also, but he didn't do it.

4:56 Adam Special progress meant you were smarter than your classmates?

5:01 Ron Pearlman Well, yeah, but that's simply because I had a pulse. Right.

5:05 Drew They told that to me, the standard progress.

5:07 Ron Pearlman The standards weren't particularly high back then.

5:10 Adam Special progress, you see here, this is the problem with these everything being a euphemism these days is if Ron just said, well, in the 8th grade, I was involved with special progress, I'd say, oh, okay, buddy, but you landed on your feet. You know what I mean? It's like, this is the problem when we turn everything that's sort of handicapped into a, oh no, he's gifted or he's special or he's this or he's that. He's handy capable, he's challenged. It's great, except for once in a while, someone actually is in a gifted program and special progress sounds to me like you're wearing a hockey helmet and using those kind of weird, those, you know those canes that go on your forearms, Drew, those polio canes? That's what I'm picturing. I'm picturing a hockey helmet and the forearm polio canes, maybe a stroke cane, which I argue is not a cane, Drew.

6:02 Ron Pearlman They came in real handy in the special progress program.

6:06 Adam And then what college did you go off to?

6:08 Ron Pearlman Wait, I didn't get to high school yet.

6:10 Adam Okay, go to high school, would you?

6:12 Ron Pearlman I ended in ninth grade and by golly, I'm gonna finish this life story if it takes me all night.

6:16 Adam All right.

6:18 Ron Pearlman Hold on my calls, by the way, cause this could take a while. I went to George Washington High School, which is, had no sports program because a couple of guys died, not from the sports program, but they just were hedging their bets. It was a tough school. I'll tell you how tough the school was. One time somebody said, hey, how far is the subway from here? And another guy said, I don't know. Nobody's ever made it before. But come on, where's the high? I'll tell you how tough the school was. There's no rim shot on the radio.

6:50 Adam Where's the rim shot Anderson?

6:51 Ron Pearlman I tell you how tough this, there you go. You better get ready for another one. This school was so tough on the menu. Broken leg of lamb. But you know, yeah. Anyways, high school. Oh yeah, then I went, wait, wait. I went to college. I went to Lehman College in the Bronx. I actually was admitted to Hunter College in the Bronx, but they decided to separate from Hunter College downtown. So became Herbert H. Lehman named after that great progressive alcoholic governor. And then I went to, during Herbert H. Lehman, I acquired $4,672 worth of parking tickets.

7:33 Adam Oh really?

7:34 Ron Pearlman So I started looking for brochures for grad school in remote places and I finally found.

7:39 Adam Did you really get $4,000 worth of parking tickets?

7:42 Ron Pearlman 672, yeah, 4,000. And so I went on the lam to grad school and ended up with a master's from the University of Minnesota.

7:52 Adam Ooh, that's nice.

7:52 Ron Pearlman Cause I figured no cop from New York, no self-respecting New York cop would look for me in Minnesota.

7:57 Adam So is that a golden gopher?

7:59 Ron Pearlman That's right. What's the master's level? The golden gophers are in the retirement plan.

8:06 Adam What was the degree in? The master's in.

8:08 Ron Pearlman Theater.

8:09 Adam All right, well perfect.

8:10 Ron Pearlman So, you know.

8:12 Adam I'm going to.

8:13 Ron Pearlman You ever choke on a chicken bone in the theater? Well, no, I'm not a doctor. I'm just a master.

8:19 Adam Well, we got one. William? Yeah. I'm just going from the top and heading on down. Okay. You loved Hellboy?

8:28 I did.

8:28 Adam Want to know if there's going to be a sequel?

8:30 Yeah. Because usually like when movies come out and if they do really well, they'll talk to the actors and see if they, you know, want to sign on for a second one or anything like that.

8:40 Adam Mm-hmm. Is that a standard part of a contract if you're doing an action movie or like a superhero movie where there will be a clause for a sequel?

8:51 Ron Pearlman Yeah. The Hellboy movie, you know, kind of had franchise written all over it.

9:00 Right.

9:00 Ron Pearlman Because, you know, you could clearly see that with any commercial success, we would have the continuing adventures of Hellboy.

9:08 Right.

9:09 Ron Pearlman And so in my particular case, I signed a contract for a film with an option for two more.

9:15 Adam Right.

9:15 Ron Pearlman And so I'm signed on. Should the movie warrant a sequel, which I think it will, thank you very much, Mr. and Mrs. America. I'm in. But I do this with incredible zeal and enthusiasm because it's far and away the coolest character I've ever played.

9:38 Adam Well, when do they decide? I mean, it came. It was number one at the box office this opening week. It was number two. Probably would have been number one had it not been Easter and Passion of the Christ and all that business. Isn't this about the time they're going to decide to go ahead and make a number two?

9:55 Drew Well, I beg your pardon.

9:57 Adam Make a big steaming number two.

9:59 Ron Pearlman I've made a couple of numbers, too, on screen. But, no, this... Thanks, Drew.

10:08 Adam That was an uncomfortable laugh, more than it was an actual.

10:10 Ron Pearlman It's like, yeah, let's fill that space. What was the question?

10:16 Adam When are you going to do the number two? When do they decide?

10:18 Ron Pearlman The Monday after the opening weekend, we got word that the studio had ordered a script for Hellboy 2.

10:26 Adam All right, so good. It's in the works.

10:28 Ron Pearlman It's in the works.

10:29 Adam Rita.

10:30 Hello.

10:31 Adam You're 20?

10:33 Caller I love you guys, by the way. I'm like a long time listener for Suncaller.

10:37 Adam Thanks.

10:38 Caller I am like a 20-year-old virgin who's never had a boyfriend and I'm like obsessed with this guy I used to work with. And I like, I'm like, I don't know.

10:49 I've like attempted to stalk him.

10:53 Drew So you've never been able to, what?

10:56 Adam I'm curious about the attempted stalking part. How does that work?

11:01 Caller I was like, I, well, I sort of know his first name and his last name because I used to work with him. And like I went on Google and like found his phone number and address and I've been cranking his house a couple of times and I drove up to his house and a couple of days ago I found out that was the wrong person and I was the wrong person.

11:22 Drew But this is stuff that you did when you were 14, right?

11:27 Adam Yeah, I actually do it for a living now. Crank Yankers, Tuesday Nights, Comedy Central, by the way.

11:32 Drew But the question is why can't she have relationships, why there's no possibility of intimacy and why this obsessional quality to things? Are you a trauma survivor?

11:41 Adam Well, first off, she sounds like a 13-year-old male. I mean, there's something going on with her. Women don't do this. They don't have this gene.

11:55 Drew They do it after they've slept with somebody and the guy stiffs them. That's when they do it. This is someone who's never been able to have a relationship of any kind. There's something going on with that.

12:05 Adam Well, first off, partially your parents' fault for naming you Rita. That's a tough name to get past. No wonder you're a virgin. Now, what's going on? Is there anything wrong with you?

12:15 I don't know.

12:17 Adam How are you doing physically?

12:20 Caller Physically, I'm OK.

12:22 Drew But you gotta help us, Rita. Why could you never have a relationship? Were you raised in a very strict environment where you could never get out?

12:29 Caller Yeah, I mean, my mom, she grew up in a convent. And so she's like, and I don't know, I think I've been raped before because she'd like never let me spend the night over at a friend's house if their dads were around or she'd never like let me play with boys or anything.

12:44 Drew OK, so your mom was sexually abused is really what happened. And that's why she went to the convent. And that's why she was so fearful of you being around men. And that trauma gets transmitted to you. Now, of course, a woman that has been sexually abused will kind of find another abuser like that to bring around. And maybe you were abused again. So Rita is a very sort of very serious set of circumstances here.

13:07 Adam Have you ever thought about getting some therapy? Yeah.

13:10 Ron Pearlman All right.

13:12 Adam What do you do? Do you work?

13:14 Caller No, I was going to college, but then my parents are very adamant about me dropping out so that we can move and I could like switch to a different college. So now I'm like sort of doing nothing.

13:23 Drew You're 20, Rita. It's time for you to control of your life. Really, you've got to do that. It's time.

13:28 Adam That's right. And look, the whole virgin part thing, you know, you don't have AIDS, you don't you never had herpes. You don't have crabs. You don't have all the you say.

13:36 Drew You say you listen to our show. You know why it's a good idea to be a virgin.

13:39 Adam Yeah, you dodged a bullet and you just take it from here.

13:42 Drew But she won't be able to do without treatment, though.

13:44 Adam How about a little therapy? All right. But good times though, right? Just enjoy yourself. You got TiVo? Do you have TiVo? Get that TiVo. Do yourself a favor. All your problems will melt away.

14:01 Drew Go see Hellboy.

14:02 Adam Go see Hellboy. And then when it comes out on like Showtime or HBO, you can TiVo it.

14:07 Drew DVD.

14:09 Adam Well, you buy the DVD. No, you go see in the theater and you buy the DVD. But then you TiVo, you know, so you can fast forward through the parts that Ron's not in. And I know that there's no part that four minutes. There's that little beginning part where you got to get through the credits and stuff like that. You know, here's what I do with the TV. I spend so much time fast forwarding and then going past what I wanted to stop and then going back and then trying to fast forward again and not timing it right. That it would have been faster just to leave it alone. Yes, I would actually get to it. But there's some satisfaction and blasting past the point you wanted to get to and then stopping and going back too far. It's always good. And it's nice with the old lady, too, because it makes for great arguments. I like I like, you know, women, they got the Tivo. They act like you can't stop it. You know, like you're watching Sopranos. You're trying to get through the beginning. You know, HBO is running all their Deadwood promos and stuff. And you're like, OK. And you start getting into the thing. They scream, stop, stop, like, like you're not watching it, like you can't go back. Like you're not going to be able to do it. The women, women really actually, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think guys don't do that. Guys understand. Well, he's going to hit stop at just a second. He'll hit the pause and he'll go back. They don't scream at the person who's holding the Tivo. Yes, Drew.

15:22 Drew Yes. Yes, Adam.

15:24 Adam Yes, Ron.

15:25 Ron Pearlman You lost me on that last turn.

15:27 Adam I will repeat it.

15:30 Drew No, no, no. He's with you. He's with you. All right.

15:32 Adam He's with me. All right. Brad.

15:35 Yeah.

15:36 Adam You're hard during...

15:39 How old is Brad?

15:41 Adam Yeah, Brad is 19. Girlfriend pressed too hard during a hand job?

15:47 Pretty much.

15:48 Adam Now your penis hurts?

15:50 Not my penis, my nut basically.

15:52 Adam Uh-huh.

15:53 Drew Adam, we should read these before we take them.

15:55 Adam Yeah, all right. I'm just going in order, buddy.

15:58 Drew I understand. That's not a good plan. All right. So, Brad, like any other body part, it can be traumatized. You can actually need surgery sometimes.

16:09 Adam She grabbed your nuts?

16:11 She, uh, she was giving me a hand job basically. And, you know, sometimes they rub the area around your penis and she rubbed a little too hard.

16:22 Adam Hold on. I'm writing this down. I'm writing this down.

16:24 Ron Pearlman So am I, actually. Finally got my attention.

16:27 Adam So you're saying a hand job is not a mop handle up your rectum. You're saying it's something else.

16:34 Yeah, actually.

16:36 Adam So you're saying they put their hand on your penis.

16:38 Believe it or not, that's exactly what happened.

16:41 Adam Okay.

16:42 Ron Pearlman How did you get her to do that? Was it a couple of cocktails and a movie or something? Dinner?

16:50 Adam Brad.

16:50 You know, it's.

16:52 Adam I don't understand why. I don't understand why your nutsack hurts if it was about the grip on your.

16:59 Ron Pearlman She must have a very large hand.

17:00 I can't explain myself here, Adam.

17:07 Adam Shut up. We run a horrible risk on this show. Anytime we let a caller speak for more than one sentence. Drew, back me up, please.

17:15 Drew You're absolutely right. I tried over and again to ask. Well, not just speak, but to ask them to clarify, to ask them to respond to questions. Huge mistake.

17:24 Adam It never works.

17:26 Drew No.

17:27 Adam Yes. Go, buddy.

17:28 All right. It wasn't the grip on the shaft. It was the area next to the penis, you know, neck, just on the body.

17:37 Drew Now it's totally clear, Adam. Why didn't we say that? Complete clarity.

17:43 Adam The penis, the part next to the penis is where the damage was.

17:45 Ron Pearlman Well, then you must have been, you must have been either lying on your side. It was next to. There's a centrifugal force issue here that I'm, I don't get the visual on this.

17:56 Drew This guy paints a picture. I mean, it's like.

17:59 Adam Yeah. What is, what is the area next to the penis? That's your, that's everywhere.

18:05 I know, but say.

18:08 Adam Ron is technically the area next to the penis. And so, and so is everybody.

18:15 Say you're looking down at your junk, the base of your shaft, right to the left of it. And you'd be like, you know, you got your nut sack and then your testicle has a tube running on it. She like pressed down on that. And it hurt like hell.

18:29 All right.

18:31 Drew Like I said, like I said, this is an area like any other body part. There's not an infinite elasticity. It can rupture. It can be the veins in there can bleed and break. You can rupture those from dramatic cord. It needs to be seen by urologist if it keeps hurting.

18:47 Adam Well, that being said, though, Drew, that area is fairly resilient to cord. The whole area down there, the whole thing.

18:56 Ron Pearlman How long has this persisted?

18:58 Adam Oh, you're asking Brad. Brad, weeks ago. Brad, go to the doctor.

19:04 Ron Pearlman It was really nice chatting with you, Brad.

19:06 Drew It's a life.

19:08 Ron Pearlman Don't forget to call again.

19:09 Adam Yeah, I see Hellboy and maybe start working on that sequel.

19:14 Ron Pearlman There was a scene like that in Hellboy, but it hit the cutting room floor.

19:17 Adam On the DVD, right?

19:20 Ron Pearlman The added value.

19:22 Drew Adam, I know there's roles for you and I in the sequel.

19:26 Adam Yeah, how about that? Well, like Ron's in charge of casting.

19:31 Drew It's his show now.

19:32 Ron Pearlman I'm on it the minute I turn my phone back on. In fact, I might call in. I have a couple of issues.

19:41 Drew We won't talk to you, see?

19:43 Adam Ashley, you're 17. What's up?

19:46 Caller Okay, well, I don't know. I want to know why I can't have a relationship for longer than two weeks.

19:52 Drew What happens? Why do you end them?

19:54 Caller I don't know. I guess I just get bored of the guys right away.

19:58 Drew You know what, Ashley, I'll tell you something. At 17, I actually think that is somewhat protective. In other words, you're starting to get involved, get a boyfriend at 17, maybe you're not really ready for that. And sometimes I think when people push away, particularly people around your age, the possibility of a relationship, it's not so much a difficulty with intimacy as kind of protection against getting too involved too early.

20:20 Ron Pearlman Drew, do you mind if I weigh in on this?

20:23 Drew Please, go right ahead.

20:24 Ron Pearlman Could have something to do with the fact that she's seeing 17 year old boys.

20:29 Drew That's right.

20:31 Ron Pearlman Have you ever hung out with a 17 year old boy for a while? It's a disaster. Two weeks is a long time.

20:38 Drew Ashley, what you really have to ask yourself is was your family stable? Do you feel okay about yourself? And if everything is sort of stable in your life, you will have intimacy when the time is right. It's just not right right now.

20:50 Caller I don't know. I'm wondering if I have to do something with my past.

20:53 Drew There we go.

20:55 Adam We're going to go with yes.

20:59 Ron Pearlman Good night. Thanks for calling. Ashley, can I ask you a question? Are you always the one that initiates the ending of these things? I have no help for you, Ashley.

21:12 Adam Tell us about the past.

21:15 Caller Well, I don't know. When I was younger, I always grew up in church. We were a Christian family. When I was younger, I always grew up in church. My best friend was the pastor's daughter. I always used to go to her house and she would say, oh, let's play boyfriend and girlfriend. She would start to kiss me and film me. I was just like, I don't want to play this. She would be like, well, get out of my room. Get out of my house.

21:38 Drew So would she do explicitly sexual things with you? Like what?

21:43 Caller I don't know. She would just like always be touching me and like in my pants and stuff.

21:48 Drew So it was sort of a violation, but it wasn't a sexual act?

21:52 Caller No.

21:53 Drew They shouldn't try to put things in you or anything or really violate you anyway. OK. It's just upsetting and it's trauma. I think you'd get over that. Yeah. I don't think that's really it.

22:02 Adam It's more going to the church all the time. They're probably FDF.

22:04 Drew Yeah.

22:06 Adam All right. Definitely not Jewish, though, right? Oh, no. All right, Ashley, you'll be fine.

22:13 Ron Pearlman Definitely didn't see Hellboy this weekend. I didn't see Hellboy.

22:17 Adam OK. Go see Hellboy. Every good Catholic should go see Hellboy.

22:21 Ron Pearlman Isn't there a rule you can only call in tonight if you've seen Hellboy?

22:24 Caller That's a great rule.

22:25 Adam We've actually had that rule in place for several years, which really hurt the show, I felt. I tried to talk Drew out of it.

22:34 Drew No offense.

22:35 Caller No way.

22:35 Drew I would hear it the other way.

22:37 Adam Let's wait till the movie comes out. He said no. And it's been about 45 months, I think, since we've had the Hellboy only call in policy.

22:45 Since you had the last phone call.

22:47 Drew But I think a way to sort of enhance viewing, though, would be to change our policy as of tonight and make it for people who have not but are absolutely going to see it.

22:55 Adam Yes. Like Tony over here, who's 22, Tony?

23:00 Yeah, I'm here.

23:02 Adam All right. Hold on.

23:04 Hellboy.

23:05 Adam Are you hellbent on seeing Hellboy?

23:07 I don't know. I've seen the advertisements for it. It seems pretty cool, but I don't really know if we'll be able to see it because I don't have the funds for it.

23:17 Adam Oh, I see.

23:19 Ron Pearlman Where do you live?

23:20 I live in a boarding care.

23:22 Adam I see. Oh, you have like a mental disorder? Yeah.

23:26 Yeah.

23:28 Adam And maybe, you know, but you know, you can always see a matinee.

23:31 Yeah, that's possible.

23:33 Adam Yeah, because that's about half price.

23:35 Yeah.

23:36 Adam Okay, hold on a second there, buddy.

23:38 Yeah.

23:39 Adam What do you have, by the way, that puts you in the boarding care?

23:44 You're insane.

23:45 Adam Okay, that's alright. We'll straighten that out, alright? Hang on, buddy.

23:50 Drew You'll cure that. That'll take just a moment.

23:52 Adam Yeah, I can do it over the phone. Ron Pearlman is here tonight. He's Hellboy, everybody. And from the looks of it, he's going to be Hell Guy and Hell Dad and Hell Grandpa. I mean, this is going to keep going, right?

24:09 Ron Pearlman Hell Guy and a Walker.

24:10 Adam Yeah. He's going to be fighting with fecal matter by the time they get to number five.

24:18 Ron Pearlman To the last dog to the last dog dies.

24:21 Drew Colostomy fights.

24:23 Adam All right, Drew, you stay over there. Drew's in Muncie, Indiana doing I'd ask him what he was doing, but I really don't care. OK, fair enough.

24:31 Drew Thank you.

24:32 Adam We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.

24:36 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191 Hey everybody, it's the Loveline. I'm Adam.

24:53 Adam That's Dr. Drew in Muncie, Indiana tonight. Ron Pearlman, Hellboy, is in studio tonight. Number one secular movie at the box office this week. Let's get back to the phones. Oh, we're gonna speak to Tony. Tony is in board and care. Tony?

25:17 Caller Yeah, I'm here.

25:18 Adam All right, you're 22, you're paranoid?

25:20 Caller Yeah, I'm paranoid and schizophrenic.

25:22 Adam All right, and how's the board and care treating you?

25:27 Caller The food here is kind of lousy. I don't really like it that much. I just tend to wander off and do my own little things and get myself in trouble by like getting involved with the older women and getting into fights and doing drugs and all that shit goes on with the-

25:48 Adam Hold on there, Tony, can't use that language in there, but it sounds like everything's going great. It sounds like it made some inroads there, some progress.

25:56 Ron Pearlman Making friends, influencing people.

25:58 Adam Yeah, Tony, I hate to, I don't wanna pile on the mentally disabled, but Tony seems like he could be doing better.

26:08 Drew Well, the question is, is he taking his medication? That's really the question here.

26:12 Caller Yeah, I'm here.

26:13 Adam Tony, listen.

26:14 Caller What?

26:15 Adam All right, I'm gonna hang up on you, okay?

26:17 Caller Why?

26:18 Drew Wait, wait, wait. You're aggressive. Tony can't, listen, Tony's got an illness. He can't help that aggressiveness. Are you taking your medication?

26:25 Caller He has to take my medication.

26:27 What do you want?

26:29 Caller I'm on Depakote, I'm on Klonopin, Trazodone, and Syracuil.

26:35 Drew You're not on any antipsychotic medicines, though?

26:38 Caller I guess not.

26:39 Drew You're Syracuil, I guess, a little bit.

26:41 Caller I'm on Syracuil.

26:41 Adam All right, knows more than you do, Drew. Tony, you can't use profanity on the air, all right?

26:48 Caller Okay, I'm sorry.

26:49 Adam All right. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, Tony. All right, so you're on the medications, you're living in the board and care, and you're getting into trouble. Why are you getting into trouble?

27:01 Caller I don't know, because I just sort of spazzed out. Whenever I smoke crack cocaine, I just sort of just sort of just sort of going off and thinking strange things.

27:14 Drew Yeah, all right, that's a really hard combination. Schizophrenia plus drug addiction. Yeah, plus crack. That is a tough combo.

27:22 Adam Are you addicted to crack cocaine, Tony?

27:23 Caller Yes, I am.

27:24 Drew Tony, why don't you get in the program, go to some CMA meetings, get a sponsor.

27:30 Caller I go to a program called New Beginnings. It's on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. And they don't really do much for me over there, and it just kind of bugs me. I try going to NA meetings in my area, and I try going to NA meetings, and it wasn't there, and the address was skipped, and so on and so forth, and I couldn't find no help that way.

27:50 I used to do a lot of screwing around with my medication.

27:56 Adam Hey, Tony.

27:57 Caller What?

27:57 Adam See what you're going to sound like if you screw around with that medication? Hey, here's what I don't understand. If you're in a board and care environment, how is it that you go find the crack cocaine?

28:12 Caller Because it's just up the street and it's just easy to get, you know?

28:18 Adam Oh, okay.

28:19 Ron Pearlman That's kind of expensive, isn't it?

28:22 Adam Where do you get the money for it?

28:24 Caller Oh, my friend has a credit card, so he just lets me use his credit card and he runs up a bill. He smokes it, too, so he's just like whatever with it. I don't really care. As long as I get high, that's all that matters to me.

28:42 Drew How do you buy crack with a credit card?

28:44 Adam Well, I'm sure they do something with a credit card other than give it to the dealer, because they don't take American Express. Okay, so Tony, let's listen to Dr. Drew and find you a place so you can get sober.

28:59 Drew Here is the deal. This is a very serious situation. This is one of the most difficult circumstances to manage. You need to make sure you're on your medication. You talk to the psychiatrist again. Maybe the things they can adjust to make you feel less agitated when you go to these meetings. But the reality is you need to go somewhere where you can be connected to a 12-step process. And you may need to go away if you possibly can to a comprehensive chemical dependency program for quite a while. If you cannot tolerate going to 12-step, if you can't get the sponsor, if you can't start the work, this isn't going to stop. So I'm looking at my crystal ball and I don't see good things ahead. So Tony, please take care of yourself.

29:39 Adam Listen to Drew, Tony, take care. And look, if you're on that cocktail of medication already, the crack, I'm no doctor, but the crack really can't be helping. So please, for our sake, give it up. All right, let's see. Oh, Germania, Florida.

29:54 Drew Adam, you're just mouthing platitudes. Like you can stop doing crack. You can't stop. How far in the wind?

30:02 Adam Just say no. You just gotta say no.

30:04 Drew No, you gotta go somewhere and work on it.

30:05 Adam You gotta pick yourself up by the bootstraps. You dust yourself off. It's a village. It's a village. It takes a village. It takes a village to say no. We can't judge. Look, I'm like Whitney Houston's mom. There's a spirit within all of us. We have to speak to that spirit. You go to church. That's all right. Good times. Justin?

30:29 Yeah.

30:30 Adam You're 13?

30:31 Caller Yeah.

30:32 Adam Let's play Germany or Florida and really get this show moving now.

30:35 Things are sick and twisted from too much fun and not these. Sex, meth, and death fetishes, both of them have got these. Guaranteed not to bore you, Germany or Florida.

30:44 Caller First of all, Adam, you're tight. I watch this show or listen to it all the time. I saw Hellboy. That was tight. I like that movie. I would get it down on DVD. All right. Suspecting that a drug dealer had solar counterfeit crack cocaine, a woman complained to police. Good news. An investigating officer determined the two cocaine rocks were real. Bad news. The woman was arrested. She paid $50 for the drugs, she explained. But when she tasted them, she thought they were baking soda.

31:14 Adam All right. Did this happen in either Germany or Florida? This is one of the what's wrong with tonight, by the way, Drew? I know something wrong with tonight. Handball. The color is horrible. It's like playing handball against the drapes tonight. Even the Germany or Florida is weak.

31:32 Drew Yeah.

31:32 Adam Justin, I'm going Florida. Ron, Germany or Florida?

31:36 Ron Pearlman Germany.

31:37 Adam Germany. Contrarian. Drew, who are you going with?

31:41 Drew Florida.

31:42 Adam Florida. Two Florida's and a Germany. Justin. Germany or Florida?

31:47 Florida. All right.

31:51 Adam Listen. Here's what I feel like doing. I would like to build a time machine and go back to the beginning of the show. But short of that, I would like to shake this computer like an etch a sketch and just erase everybody. Let's start it up again. I blame myself. I blame everybody. Hey, everybody. It's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Ron Pearlman. I'm Dr. Ron Pearlman on the show tonight. Hellboy. I'll tell you what. Got a question for him right here, right at the top. Let's start it off by talking to Theo, Theo, 26. You got a question for Hellboy? Yes, I do.

32:27 Caller In fact, I saw Hellboy. It rocked. I actually, as Drew did, I saw it twice. Yeah. Really enjoyed a great performance. You really nailed the character, Ron. My question is more for City of Lost Children, though, the French movie you did. That was an incredible, incredible movie. It's probably the best fantasy movie I've ever seen. I was completely just amazed by that movie. I was wondering how big of a budget that movie had and how working with the kids and everything was. I mean, they pulled off an incredible performance. You were amazing. The whole thing is just incredible. I just wanted to hear some backstory on that. I also have a question for Adam and Drew after, right here.

33:07 Ron Pearlman Well, the movie was made totally by French money. And it was the equivalent to something like 20 or 21 million American dollars, which by French film standards is huge. It's kind of like what a $120 million American movie would be like. These filmmakers had come off a movie called Delicatessen, which won awards all over the globe in film festivals everywhere. And this was a picture that they had been sort of hoping to make for many, many years. In fact, they wrote it earlier than Delicatessen. So this was kind of a love child. And because there was sort of a halo around their careers at that moment in time, they got these amazing resources to work with and funding. And it was one of the most tripped out experiences I've ever had making a movie.

34:07 Adam Did you do it in France?

34:08 Ron Pearlman Did it? Just outside of Paris, lived in Paris for six months. Jean-Pierre Junet and Marc Carreau at the time were working as partners, as co-directors. Two different sides of the same coin, very intense, very serious and whacked out imaginations. And it was kind of like a state of grace the six months I worked on that. It was I appreciate all of your kind of words on it.

34:40 Adam Is it out on DVD now?

34:42 Ron Pearlman Yeah, it's been out on DVD. It did not do well commercially here or in France for that matter. It was kind of a bust. But the people who love that movie really like is it Troy?

34:55 Adam Theo.

34:56 Ron Pearlman Theo. Like yourself, really, really love it.

35:00 Caller I thought it was the most incredible thing. It still stands. It's just one of the most amazing movies I've ever seen ever.

35:07 Adam All right. We'll go out and get it.

35:09 Caller Well, I already own the DVD. I already have it.

35:12 Adam Is it subtitled?

35:13 Caller Yes, it is. Makes it much easier as I know French.

35:17 Ron Pearlman I spoke French in it.

35:18 Adam You did? Yeah.

35:19 Ron Pearlman No.

35:20 Adam Drew, speak French to Ron. Ron, do you speak French?

35:23 Ron Pearlman I just-

35:24 Adam Phonetically?

35:24 Ron Pearlman Phonetically. Didn't say much in them. It's kind of a movie where I'm on screen almost the entire film, and they put all my dialogue on a half-typed page. I spoke very rarely. It was kind of like a gentle giant kind of character.

35:40 Adam That's-

35:40 Ron Pearlman Very non-verbal.

35:41 Adam Drew with this radio show, he sits here for two hours, he doesn't say a goddamn word.

35:44 Ron Pearlman Kind of like all of us tonight.

35:46 Adam Powerful. Yeah, that's you, Drew, powerful. Or maybe it's that you don't know you're here.

35:52 Ron Pearlman But a hell of a Bernays sauce.

35:55 Adam So it's interesting. Well, it wasn't that much dialogue. And it's interesting that I guess you just put a script down and you memorize it. You can do it just like you're doing. Any other script?

36:08 Drew Well, I sing in Italian and languages I don't understand all the time.

36:12 Ron Pearlman I love to hear that.

36:12 Adam Let's hear it, Drew.

36:14 Drew No, Anderson can play it.

36:15 Adam All right. Do you do not understand it?

36:18 Drew Yeah, it's many times. When I sing in German, I have no idea what I'm saying.

36:22 Adam Right. Maybe it's just like kill the Jews and you're offending people. And he laments that.

36:43 Ron Pearlman Is that you, Drew, from Muncie?

36:46 Drew That was me with Ben Stein.

36:54 Adam Really?

36:55 Drew Now you can hear the amateur coming through.

36:59 Ron Pearlman Were girls throwing their underwear on stage that night?

37:03 Adam And they were in it. Drew, seriously, what is your character doing on this?

37:19 Ron Pearlman There was some nice coverage on that.

37:21 Drew From Andre Chignet. It's a military guy getting ready to go to battle and sort of music.

37:28 Ron Pearlman You could tell. Yeah, you could tell.

37:30 Adam You could tell he wanted to get shot.

37:31 Ron Pearlman There was a lot of regalia just pouring out of that rendition.

37:36 Drew Now Theo had another question.

37:38 Adam Screw Theo.

37:39 Drew Oh, come on, Theo, let's stay with the winner.

37:42 Adam Theo's a winner.

37:43 Drew I think he is too. That's what I was going to say. He's the kid that sings the theme song.

37:46 Ron Pearlman I think you turned out luck around Theo.

37:48 Caller Germany or Florida theme song. This is a song you love to hate or hate to love, however you want to look at it.

37:53 Drew It's you.

37:54 Caller Yeah, it's me.

37:55 Drew I see. That's why I want to talk to him.

37:57 Caller So my second question, I know it's a long shot, but I've been listening to you guys for years. You're like my cool long lost uncles or something. And I admire you a bunch. And Adam, you've helped me with all my writing and the development of my whole comedy voice and everything.

38:09 Adam Sure. I heard it in your theme song.

38:11 Caller Well, recently I was sick and twisted from too much sun and Nazis.

38:14 Sex and death and death fetishes.

38:16 Caller Both of them have fat feet.

38:17 Adam I've molded a genius.

38:19 Caller Germany or Florida.

38:20 All right.

38:22 Caller No. So recently I acquired a free round trip air ticket.

38:26 Adam You want to come out and see it.

38:27 Caller I want to be a guest for just those two hours. I promise not to bother you in your normal life. I want to be a guest on the show once. It would make my year.

38:34 Drew He can come on and sing the Germany or Florida song.

38:36 Adam You can come on and you can watch the show. You can you can get me a coffee if you promise not to shoot a snot rocket into it.

38:43 Caller I'll bring all the wine and smoked almonds I have to.

38:45 Adam And you can sing the Germany or Florida theme song live.

38:50 Caller All right. It would be worth the trip.

38:52 Adam All right. Now I will put you on hold.

38:54 Caller All right.

38:55 Adam All right. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Usually when we put people on hold, they just get hung up on five minutes later. But yes. Oh, he's gone already. No, I swear to God. Oh, listen, if anyone can hear anyone within the sound of my voice, take care of Theo. We'll bring him out here. You can sing the song live and give me a warm up on my coffee. Ron Pearlman is here tonight from Hellboy. We'll take a quick break. Drew's in Muncie, Indiana. I feel like we got the show kick started now.

39:28 Drew Yeah, we're better. Theo brought us around.

39:30 Adam We had a little trouble. We you know, we had a little we had a little hitch and our giddy up out of the gate. But what we did is we found our stride.

39:37 Drew All right.

39:37 Ron Pearlman Yeah.

39:38 Adam We'll be right back after this.

39:40 Thank you for calling Loveline.

39:42 Caller Your call will be answered in the order.

39:44 Caller It seems interesting.

39:47 Caller 1-800-LOVELINE-191.

39:52 Adam That's Dr. Drew in Muncie, Indiana. Ron Pearlman is here tonight.

39:58 Hey, hey.

40:00 Adam He is Hellboy. How long was it in the in makeup?

40:05 Ron Pearlman It was a four hour transition.

40:07 Adam Four hours. Yeah. Whenever I hear those stories about three, four, five hours in makeup and everyone, well, we had to hit the makeup chair about 5:30 a.m. every morning and be ready to go by 9 a.m. I just can't believe that you're in a chair having those prosthetics put on for four hours.

40:27 Ron Pearlman Well, there's a whole lot tougher ways of making a living.

40:29 Adam I don't know.

40:30 I don't know.

40:31 Adam What do you do? Can you sleep while they're applying them?

40:34 Ron Pearlman Um, I never really wanted to. The Hellboy trailer was a pretty cool place to hang. It was about six or eight guys on any given day and great music. Lots of gossip. It was lively, lively, it was a party-like atmosphere.

40:52 Adam And you were just sitting there though having all this stuff applied for four hours, right?

40:56 Ron Pearlman A couple of cocktails every once in a while, you know? Because you want to be loose when you're Hellboy.

41:00 Adam Sure.

41:03 Ron Pearlman And, you know, it was just big fun, big fun.

41:06 Adam Where'd you shoot it?

41:08 Ron Pearlman We were in Prague, in the Czech Republic.

41:11 Adam Really? Why?

41:12 Ron Pearlman For seven months. I think financial is the primary reason you go to Eastern Europe to make movies. You save a ton on... They estimated we saved $10 million on just the sets, with cost of building the sets. The sets are... Well, Drew, you've seen the film.

41:29 Drew Oh, so they're elaborate. I mean, elaborate.

41:31 Ron Pearlman I'll speak to you here. Yeah. The...

41:34 Adam Well, he could have seen it twice, but he wussed out the second time. Let's see, I'm hardcore.

41:41 Ron Pearlman Right. When you didn't see it at all, then you really meant it.

41:44 Adam No, but if I saw it, I'd see it three or four times. Not like this Drew. You probably would. Mr. One Guy.

41:49 Ron Pearlman But it's... You get a lot of bang for your buck out there. And unfortunately, it's part of the realities of big time filmmaking and money becomes of paramount importance. Try to save as much as you can.

42:06 Drew Those are incredibly elaborate sets. Unbelievable.

42:09 Ron Pearlman Thank you.

42:10 Adam Is it the labor that's... They don't have all the unions over there, right? The labor is much cheaper.

42:16 Ron Pearlman Labor is cheap, material is cheaper.

42:18 Adam And they have craftsmen there who can do the job.

42:21 Ron Pearlman You know, and it's kind of sad that we've watched, you know, I mean, we haven't the brightest and the best right here in our own country, but it's just twice as expensive to get things done.

42:32 Adam This is, you know, you got some Teamster getting a 32.50 plus Golden Time plus a meal penalty for sitting in a van listening to Phil Henry eating a doughnut, and he's about to get another bump because he's going into his 14th hour. How long can you support a guy with a GED sitting in a van listening to talk radio making 45 bucks an hour? I mean, at a certain point, you go, look, we'll just go get some guy from Canada. We'll pay him 10 bucks an hour. He'll sit there and he'll be happy. That's right. Listen.

43:03 Ron Pearlman He'll have himself a moose head there and everything is just going to be fine.

43:08 Drew Ron, you have to substantiate this for me. My friends are Europeans say that one of the secrets of the European continent is the Czechoslovakian women are supposedly gorgeous.

43:20 Ron Pearlman I never noticed. Honey, if you're listening, I never touched those Czech women. Beautiful women. There's something about the gene pool in all of Eastern Europe. I'm talking about everywhere. Russian women are unbelievable. Really? An interesting gene pool, statuesque and just strikingly beautiful.

43:48 Drew That's all that same Yugoslavia and Czech and Poland and Russia is all the same.

43:54 Ron Pearlman And Hungary and Czech Republic is no different.

43:59 Adam Let's focus on the ugly parts of the world. Who's the ugliest, Drew? Come on, buddy. You got the hot part. You say America, Canada, Pacoima. Let's get outside.

44:13 Ron Pearlman You have any calls from Pacoima out there?

44:16 Adam I could find one. What do you think is the most sort of in-between, aesthetically, country? Is Canada?

44:26 Ron Pearlman Aesthetically?

44:26 Adam Aesthetically, the people.

44:28 Ron Pearlman You mean, are you talking physically?

44:31 Adam Yeah, physically. England. England's about the middle.

44:38 Ron Pearlman Obviously, bad dental plant.

44:40 Adam Let's speak to Heather, who's diminutive. Heather?

44:45 Yeah.

44:46 Adam You're 15?

44:47 Caller Yes.

44:48 Adam You're five foot tall?

44:49 Caller Yep.

44:51 Adam What's your nationality?

44:54 Caller Well, I'm kind of a blonde, so what do you mean by that?

44:59 Adam You have a hair?

44:59 Ron Pearlman There you go.

45:00 Adam I didn't ask what color your hair was.

45:02 Ron Pearlman She's blonde, that's all you got to know.

45:05 Adam Do you have a heritage?

45:05 Caller Um, like kind of like, um, like jeans, like, like...

45:14 Ron Pearlman Where are you from? Where are you from?

45:17 Drew Where are your ancestors from?

45:19 Caller Sweden, actually.

45:20 Drew There we go.

45:21 Caller Yeah.

45:22 Adam Good looking people. So what's up?

45:25 Caller Well, um, I'm kind of short, and like sometimes I feel like that guy's turned me down because of it.

45:31 Adam Mm-hmm.

45:31 Caller Like, yeah.

45:33 Adam Yeah. I don't know. I, uh, I never been a big issue for guys, and at least the guys I knew. They like a six-foot leggy blonde, but a cute short chick is, uh, will do almost any time.

45:46 Drew Yes, I agree.

45:47 Adam I mean, here...

45:48 Drew So it's not that, Heather. Don't worry about that.

45:51 Adam Yeah, but I mean, let's just straighten this out. I think guys work in terms of are they attractive? Are they cute? Are they whatever or aren't they? It's not like, well, her hair's too short or she's too short or her butt's too big or she's too busty or whatever it is. It's just you're either attractive or you're not. To that guy. Yeah, to that guy, which is basically all guys when they're teenagers. So you're short, but that's all, right?

46:19 Caller But...

46:22 Adam Okay, baby. Thank you.

46:23 Caller Uh-huh.

46:24 Adam What's your nationality?

46:28 Caller Well, I'm kind of a blonde.

46:30 Adam All right. There you go, everybody. She wasn't probably, I'm guessing, not in that accelerated program that Ron was in. Special Progress. Boy, have we really kicked the crap out of the word special over the past 20 years in this country. Uh-huh. You're screwed if you're special now.

46:49 Ron Pearlman Special anything. You will pay the price.

46:51 Adam You don't even want to buy anything that's on special. No.

46:54 Ron Pearlman Well, I do.

46:55 Adam Yeah, but it's bad. That's because you have some...

46:57 Ron Pearlman I'm half Scottish...

46:57 Adam .self-esteem issues.

46:58 Ron Pearlman I'm half Jewish.

46:59 Adam He's thrifty.

47:00 Ron Pearlman Yeah, I'm thrifty.

47:01 Adam Ron Pearlman in here tonight. Half Scott, half Gio. We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back after this.

47:09 Caller Here it is.

47:09 Adam Bottom line, it sucks being single today.

47:12 Caller Tons of lame people and no decent prospects.

47:15 Caller Call the Dateline. Call the Dateline. 1-877-889-DATE. So get your problems ready.

47:52 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Ron Pearlman is here tonight. Otherwise known as Hellboy. Dr. Drew is in Muncie, Indiana. What's the time difference, two hours?

48:09 Drew Two hours. I kind of feel like I'm in Prague.

48:12 Adam Okay. What are you doing?

48:13 Ron Pearlman Who do you talk to during the break, Drew? Because we're having a bang up time here.

48:19 Adam Yeah, we're talking about private school. Yeah, true. You'd love this conversation. We're having a conversation about school.

48:27 Drew You have kids, Ron?

48:28 Ron Pearlman I have two. Yeah. My son was about to start high school.

48:32 Drew Yeah. Out here in LA.

48:34 Ron Pearlman Out in LA and out here in Muncie. Yeah. Yeah. He shovels snow. He's going to go to a really good school.

48:41 Adam Drew, why don't you move to Muncie and raise your kids in a nice, clean area? You know what I'm saying?

48:46 Drew Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

48:48 Ron Pearlman Muncie, Indiana, Muncie.

48:50 Adam What are you doing there, Drew?

48:52 Drew Speaking at Ball State.

48:54 Adam Oh, that's right. I said it an hour ago.

48:55 Ron Pearlman David Letterman went there, didn't he?

48:57 Drew That's absolutely right, Ron.

48:58 Adam Wow.

48:59 David Letterman.

49:02 Adam All right. Let's power forward here and-

49:04 Ron Pearlman I was having such a good time chatting with you guys.

49:07 Adam Yeah. You can talk to us anytime, but the kids.

49:10 Ron Pearlman Here goes the good times.

49:11 Adam Kidnapped by convicts as a kid. All right. We got to tell Ron who's 25. Ron?

49:17 Caller Hey, how you guys doing tonight?

49:18 Adam What's happening?

49:19 Caller Hey, not a lot. Hey, I just want to say hi to Drew, ugly Muncie and a long-time fan, and hey, Adam, you're okay too.

49:27 Adam Thanks. You were kidnapped by convicts when you were a kid?

49:30 Caller Something like that. It wasn't actually a kid. It was actually a few years back, and it kind of left me wondering. There was that and another pretty nasty thing that I had to watch, and it's kind of left me wondering if I'm maybe going a little overboard on kind of being hypervigilant, trying to be socially responsible and ethical about some of the decisions I make. I kind of get caught up like, I don't know whether I'm at a supermarket and, you know, the lady hands me an extra three pennies and I don't really immediately hand it back to her or catch it, but I'll be out in the parking lot and I wonder if I need to go back in and give it to her or, like, I'll cut a guy off on the freeway.

50:05 Adam Hold on, Ron. I mean, Ron the caller.

50:08 Caller Yeah.

50:08 Adam I'm going to call you Ronnie. Listen, Ronnie, let's talk about the abduction here. The hypervigilant part where you give the money back is really not connected to this, I don't think. But what what happened with you being abducted by convicts?

50:26 Caller It was, jeez, I was out at like a state park and some guys left a like a moderate security facility and they, this actually wasn't the first time it had happened, but they left the facility and came up to us and myself and the friend that was with me and another friend and they kind of wanted to take my car and they wanted to go rob a liquor store. So they, I wasn't okay with them take, well initially they wanted to take my girlfriend in the car and go rob a liquor store, but I said no, that's not so kosher. And so when they're driving to the liquor store and they rob it and hop in the car with a couple of 2 liters of vodka and some Bacardi and what not and they have us drive them back to that area.

51:10 Adam Back to where the prison was? They want you to drive them back to where the minimum security prison was?

51:18 Caller Actually it's actually Folsom Prison and it's the honor camp that's out behind it from what I've since learned. But I had no idea that it was related to the prison because they told us some line about they were coming from a party and if they didn't go get boozed that their girls would get beat up or some bunch of crap like that.

51:36 Adam Yeah. Well hold on. See there you go. Now honor camp. Honor camp would have been something good 20 years ago, right?

51:44 Ron Pearlman No, I was in special progress.

51:45 Adam You were in special progress. As a matter of fact honor camp sounds better than special progress.

51:50 Ron Pearlman Yeah, I wish I was in the honor camp.

51:51 Adam Honor camp is a bunch of deadbeat dads who were kicked out of a housing project and of course you were in advance placement program. Okay, Ron is sketchy at best. Call her Ronnie.

52:06 Drew Well, what was the other horrible thing that he had to witness?

52:09 Adam By the way, this...

52:10 Ron Pearlman Yeah, you really missed out on that one.

52:12 Adam This, abducted by convicts is starting to sound less like what I originally pictured. You know what I mean? I pictured, I pictured guys who tuttled out, hardened criminals.

52:24 Ron Pearlman I was ready to ask, how long were you held for?

52:27 Drew Right, right. Me too.

52:28 Adam It doesn't... it seems like they just wanted to start.

52:31 Ron Pearlman They just wanted some vodka.

52:33 Adam Ronnie? Yeah, yeah. How do you... by the way, it seems like you don't have to escape from an honor camp. It's like stealing from one of those honor vending machine boxes at the... in the kitchen. you take the atriscates and you don't put the quarter in, right? You don't actually break in, though.

52:52 Caller Yeah, you know, that was my initial perception. A friend of mine went into corrections and I ended up getting some info from him on how these things actually work. And the way it normally works is these guys check themselves in after being revoked for probation or something. And then... and they're the people who have like a year left, and so trying to escape would be stupid. For instance, one of the guys got 25 to life because of the different offenses they committed against us, there were enough felonies, like he was charged with six different felonies and was convicted of five, and he got 25 to life when he would have been out I think in about seven months.

53:24 Adam Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, should call me Pennywise and Poundful.

53:29 Drew What was this horrible thing that you had to witness? You said there was... you saw some bad things.

53:33 Caller Oh, yeah, that was actually a couple years prior. It was a little bit weird. I watched a friend of mine get jumped by like a group of 12 skinheads or so, and they kind of stabbed the hell out of him. And it kind of sticks with me, not to the point that I can't get around it each day, but it's like, I don't know, like it wasn't like, you know, the fight, you know, I've seen people fight. That's not such a hardcore thing, but it was, it was, you know, he's laying on the ground. They all take off. They're like locusts, you know, they swarm in and attack and then they disappear. And so I bend over and take out my sweater and I'm pushing it against him and he's kind of opening up and that it's kind of stuck with me and did he die? You know, he actually he did OK. Yeah, I think he lost a whole bunch of intestine and maybe half of a lung. But he's doing he's doing pretty well for himself now.

54:23 But all right.

54:24 Adam But all bad things to all bad things to see. But still, these things happen when you're an adult.

54:35 Caller Yeah.

54:35 Adam And and usually when this kind of stuff happens, when you're adult, your your brain is already sort of the cement, your brain is already dried. You can't life can't pick up a stick and put its initials in it as easily.

54:48 Drew You can get a post-traumatic stress reaction, but it doesn't affect your character structure.

54:52 Caller Well, right. And that's I think actually that's that's kind of what I wanted to comment on, Drew, if you could give me some input on it. The PTSD angle, I'm not as concerned about that being there. I mean, I'm kind of willing to just agree that it's there. But like you say, you know, if your character and your personality are not, you know, vapid and defunct at an early age, you're going to be OK, maybe hopefully later. But I think it's sort of pushing me to tend to be just really excessively moralist, excessively ethical and hypervigilant in that area. And it's it's it's getting to where it's I mean, All right, I'm getting ready.

55:24 Adam Let's give me a headache. I think he's going off the wrong direction with this whole thing. You you being excessively ethical, hypervigilance is PTSD.

55:35 Drew But the fact that the vigilance is around virtue. You could have a worse vigilance. You know what I'm saying? Why is he complaining?

55:44 Adam It's like saying I, you know, I, I, I'm, I'm damned because I have to jog five miles every day and do a hundred pushups and eat right. I have a curse to life. Ron has issues. I can tell that by his, his cadence and his tone. And Ron should get some therapy and Ron should stop trying to worry about what incident caused his situation and focus more on solving his situation.

56:11 Drew And Adam should stop talking about Ron and get on the next caller.

56:14 Adam Thank you. You hadn't asked for it. Well-

56:16 Ron Pearlman Are you saying I need therapy?

56:17 Drew No, no, no. It's Ron E.

56:19 Adam You know, the screen says kidnapped by convicts as a kid. You know what I mean? You know, let me tell you what this show is like. It's like when you look in the back of this comic books as a kid and you say, giant robot commands. Your every command is your wish is his command. Four dollars. And you think, well, on one hand, how could this be? On the other hand, you think, count me in. This is going to be great. And then two weeks later, a package comes and it's basically a visqueen drop cloth with a balloon on it and some fishing string. And you think, yes, yes, life is horrible. That's what this show is like. I see kidnapped by convicts. I think, yes, this is going to be great. And then we get Ron. Simon? Howdy. You're 26?

57:07 Caller Yes, I am, sir.

57:08 Caller What's happening?

57:10 Adam Thanks. Ask Ron a question.

57:12 Caller All right, Ron, you are one of my all time favorite actors.

57:16 Caller I haven't seen Hellboy yet. But directed by the guy that did Blade 2, which I think is one of my favorite comic book adaptations.

57:23 Caller City of Lost Children, one of my favorite movies.

57:25 Caller And I'm an aspiring filmmaker. And I was just wondering, because you've worked in the industry so long, any advice for someone who is more into fantasy or surrealism, but wants to get into a big budget filmmaking someday?

57:36 Ron Pearlman I just think you make whatever you can with whatever resources you can muster. If it's a digital camera that you got for 600 bucks, you know, or, you know, whatever it is you can do, you just commit it to film and, and keep honing it in until you get something that you like and, and then show it to as many people as you can and, you know, it'll snowball. It really will.

58:01 Caller Well, I'm hoping to do music videos for a few years, you know, kind of get some notice and some work up and do you think, is there?

58:08 Ron Pearlman Well, you got to understand what, you know, there, there are, there are, because you're, you're saying, you know, you want to be a filmmaker and you want to work in horror and, and then you're going to do music videos. Is that to just to pay the rent? Because there, there, there's ways to pay the rent and then there's things that you do out of passion that you would just do for free.

58:27 Caller So I'm a graduate from film school. You know, I'm hoping to go to AFI someday. You know, years from now, my long-term plan, some of my favorite directors worked in music video before they did film.

58:41 Adam And I know, I guess I've been going to film school since Busby Berkeley's been finally, get somebody give me some love and you know, they cut him off.

58:50 Ron Pearlman Now, I know he's here.

58:52 Caller You're an incredible actor, man.

58:54 Ron Pearlman Thank you very much.

58:56 Caller Thank you.

58:56 Ron Pearlman And like Rogers and Hammerstein once said, you'll never have a dream come true until you have a dream.

59:02 Adam Yeah, that's good. I think, by the way, I'm just looking to Ron's body of work here, like 90, well, you know, TV, voiceover, movies, theatrical releases, it just keeps going and going and going, Drew. You should see that.

59:19 Ron Pearlman My wife likes shoes, so I can't ever stop working.

59:23 Adam I mean, it just keeps, I mean, it's bizarre. It's five pages of, I mean, literally 80 something credits.

59:33 Drew Everything that Jerry Piven was, Jeremy Piven wasn't in.

59:37 Adam He makes Jeremy Piven look like a flash in the pan.

59:42 Ron Pearlman Wow.

59:42 Adam Yeah. I mean, here's the, here's how you know.

59:45 Ron Pearlman That's because I'm taking everything that Jeremy turned down.

59:47 Adam You're saying, you know, Ron works a lot. There's, yeah, there's like eight things before you get to Hellboy. Meaning, meaning we're going in order. He's got a whole bunch of stuff that has not even come out yet. And then Hellboy's well down on the list.

1:00:01 Ron Pearlman Well, now a lot of that is, is just totally misprint. If that's IMDB, they, they, they put stuff on there that never has happened, never will happen. I, and it's mystifying to me.

1:00:11 Adam Well, there's a lot of, obviously a lot of gay porn here from the 70s.

1:00:15 Ron Pearlman Yeah, but that doesn't make me a bad person.

1:00:17 Adam No, no, no, listen, I don't judge.

1:00:20 Ron Pearlman Yeah, you got, you know, that's a whole different radio talking show. Yeah, talk or caller thing ID. Can we get Troy back on the phone?

1:00:28 Drew Theo, Theo. Yeah, I was good.

1:00:32 Adam I'm going to get rid of this, Carrie over here, who's 20, who's been on hold for 80 minutes. Carrie.

1:00:39 Caller Yes.

1:00:40 Adam You got a boyfriend about, you got a question about the viscosity of your boyfriend's semen.

1:00:46 Caller Yes, I do.

1:00:49 Adam What percentage of women know what viscosity means?

1:00:52 Caller It's, it's, well, I'm experienced like that.

1:00:56 All right.

1:00:57 Caller Anyways, how do you spell viscosity?

1:00:58 Caller This is a serious question.

1:01:00 All right.

1:01:00 Adam It's chunky. Yes.

1:01:02 Caller It is.

1:01:03 Adam Is it always chunky?

1:01:04 Caller It is every single time and I've never seen it before.

1:01:10 Drew That is, however, normal.

1:01:11 Ron Pearlman You're 20, huh?

1:01:15 Adam All right. It's normal.

1:01:17 Caller Really?

1:01:18 Drew Yep.

1:01:19 Adam That's enough.

1:01:21 Ron Pearlman We're sure glad we cleared that up for you.

1:01:24 Adam Well, we get that.

1:01:24 Ron Pearlman You can get it, by the way, smooth or chunky.

1:01:27 Adam Yeah.

1:01:27 Ron Pearlman You know, it's kind of like planters.

1:01:29 Adam I like fruit on the bottom.

1:01:31 Ron Pearlman Yeah.

1:01:33 Adam That's why I take it. Yes.

1:01:35 Drew We call it tapioca here.

1:01:37 Adam Yeah. I got to tell Ron about my brilliant yogurt.

1:01:42 Caller Fruit in the middle.

1:01:44 Adam Fruit in the middle.

1:01:46 Caller In the middle.

1:01:47 Ron Pearlman So you don't have to stir it.

1:01:49 Adam Well, you do because it's pleasurable. Here's the problem. They put the fruit in, then they put the yogurt on top. Then you got to stir it. Now, in order to stir it, you got to bury the goddamn spoon into the... you get the schmutz all the way up the spills.

1:02:03 Ron Pearlman Right.

1:02:03 Adam The spills. You're trying to till it and you can't really till it. And then when you get down to the very bottom, there's always a little, like trapped miners. There's a little enclave of cherries or strawberries or something you didn't quite get to.

1:02:17 Ron Pearlman Best part.

1:02:18 Adam But what about the fruit in the middle? You put a little shot of yogurt at the bottom, then a lovely layer of fruit, then more yogurt.

1:02:26 Ron Pearlman You should just bypass the yogurt totally and just get that fruit in there.

1:02:29 Adam That's a better idea.

1:02:30 Ron Pearlman The entire thing of fruit with a very long spoon.

1:02:32 Adam You know what we should have?

1:02:33 Drew Yogurt in the middle. Yeah, yogurt at the bottom.

1:02:37 Adam It's all fruit and just it's all syrupy fruit and just the eighth inch of yogurt at the bottom.

1:02:42 Ron Pearlman Sure glad we cleared that up.

1:02:43 Adam Write that down, Drew.

1:02:45 Drew Done.

1:02:46 Adam All right. So let's see. Attracted to older men.

1:02:49 Ron Pearlman Oh, get him on her.

1:02:51 Adam Yeah, it's a female. Yeah. Charlie?

1:02:54 Ron Pearlman Yeah.

1:02:54 Adam You're attracted to older men?

1:02:56 Ron Pearlman How old?

1:02:57 It's pretty creepy.

1:02:59 Adam How old?

1:03:00 I'm 16 and I don't know, like I was like six when I had a crush on like this 17 year old dude. I didn't even know. And then like all through elementary school, I never liked any of the guys in my classes. I didn't get crushes or anything. And now my dad is marrying this like 35 year old woman. And I'm like, oh God, like I could end up being her.

1:03:25 Drew My dad's 50.

1:03:29 Adam All right. Yeah. Are you dating anyone now?

1:03:32 Ron Pearlman There's nothing wrong with a good 50 year old man.

1:03:35 Adam That's right. Ron's...

1:03:37 Ron Pearlman I'm turning 54 in about... what time is it?

1:03:40 Adam About 45 minutes.

1:03:41 Ron Pearlman I'm turning 54 in 45 minutes.

1:03:44 Adam And he still has the word boy in his head.

1:03:45 Ron Pearlman There's nothing wrong with a good 50 year old man. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

1:03:51 Adam Yeah, but...

1:03:51 Ron Pearlman Drew, do you have anything to say?

1:03:53 Drew Well, we had a discussion about this a few days ago where Adam, we had... What's her name? Alicia Cuthbert in there. And she's a healthy 21 year old. And Adam found her quite attractive.

1:04:07 Adam She was all right.

1:04:08 Drew Well, now in retrospect, now that she let you know that she was not into you because you were too old and you were shocked. Shocked. I said, look, a 21 year old should not be attracted to a 38 year old. Should not be. There's something wrong with her if she really is. She should be attracted to people her own age.

1:04:25 Ron Pearlman Why is that? Where is that written?

1:04:28 Drew It's not written. It's just that it's not necessarily pathological, but it's 21.

1:04:33 Ron Pearlman How can appropriateness be said in the same breath as affairs of the heart? Or maybe it's not the heart, but it's some organ in there.

1:04:42 Drew There's reasons that women would do that, A, and it's outside of their script. In other words, if they are interested in having a husband, getting a family, and they're dating a guy who's 45, that is not a good thing to do. When they have 20-year-old kids, this guy's going to be pushing 70. That is unfair to everybody. That's not real. That's not reality.

1:05:07 Adam Wait a minute, Charlie, I don't understand. Do you want to talk about your dad or do you want to talk about you?

1:05:13 I don't know. It's weird because...

1:05:18 Adam These are the world's worst goddamn calls tonight. Or is it just me? People sort of have announcements but no real questions. It's like, I like older guys.

1:05:29 Ron Pearlman I'm going to need that medication soon that the paranoid kid had because I'm thinking it's me now. I'm thinking you guys have great shows all the time except when I'm on.

1:05:42 Adam Look, there's some truth to that statement but it is not you. It is not you. I blame Drew, first off, for being in Muncie. Secondly, I blame Jesus because I'm an atheist. I've got to believe he punishes me on occasion. And thirdly, I blame the people that call this program. And then some blame, of course, to engineer Chris who I feel is giving me the stink eye tonight and putting jinx on me. Yes? Yes? Oh, well, of course, you'd say no. That's what you would say.

1:06:13 All right.

1:06:14 Adam So here's the.

1:06:15 Caller All right.

1:06:15 Adam Oh, wait. One more time over here. This is Charlie. Go out with guys your own age.

1:06:21 OK, but I have one question.

1:06:22 Adam All right.

1:06:24 Drew Do I have to answer the question?

1:06:25 Adam What? What's your question?

1:06:26 Both my grandpas died when I was really, really young. And I was very close to both of them. Could I have something to do with it?

1:06:33 Adam It's not a great thing for you. There's not a 16-year-old girl in the United States that isn't attracted to a 22-year-old guy.

1:06:39 Caller No, it's not 22-year-olds.

1:06:41 It's like teachers that I think are like really intellectual. And then it's like, and it's like a thought. And I'm like, oh, my God.

1:06:51 Adam You don't act on it, right?

1:06:52 Drew No. No, it's fine. That's fine. Carol, you're fine.

1:06:56 Adam Listen, everyone, here's the thing. Be freaked out by the things you do, not the things you think about. Everybody has those ideas.

1:07:03 Drew Oh, my God, Adam, what if you were freaked out by the things you thought about?

1:07:07 Adam I'd have to kill myself.

1:07:09 Ron Pearlman But you gotta admit, older guys are certainly more interesting than younger guys. There's a whole... What we lack in speed, we make up for in guile.

1:07:18 Adam Especially, like Charlie over here sounded like she had some intellectual capacity. So, of course, she's going to be attracted to older guys.

1:07:28 Ron Pearlman She's more engaged with men who are more textured and layered. Let's put it like that. Yes. Very, very healthy.

1:07:35 Adam Yeah. You got a nice... Ron has a nice patina on him.

1:07:38 Ron Pearlman That's all. There you go.

1:07:39 Adam All right. Let's talk to...

1:07:42 Ron Pearlman It's because I use fluoride.

1:07:44 Adam Megan from Santa Cruz. Who's 18? Megan?

1:07:48 Caller Yes.

1:07:49 Adam You cannot orgasm through sex.

1:07:52 I never have.

1:07:53 Drew But you can?

1:07:54 Adam You can through?

1:07:56 Caller Yes.

1:07:57 I can do it myself or oil, but I've never had an orgasm during sex.

1:08:01 Drew In all probability, you never will. No. That's most women, Megan. For whatever reason, the women magazines don't tell you that. Most women do not. I know in Adam's world, 100%.

1:08:14 Adam Maybe slightly over.

1:08:16 Drew Statistically, most women only have orgasm with direct stimulation, not with intercourse. Absolutely. Yep.

1:08:26 Caller Wow.

1:08:31 Ron Pearlman Oh, thank you very much.

1:08:32 Adam It says you're overweight.

1:08:34 I'm about 20 pounds overweight.

1:08:37 Caller No.

1:08:38 Drew You're fat.

1:08:39 Adam No. It is in terms of the guys who don't put the effort forward.

1:08:43 Drew Oh, my God.

1:08:44 Adam It's true. Let's be honest. You get a CD-type effort from guys. You know, when they're on top of that Victoria's Secret model, they bring their A-game. They can be a little intimidated, too. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. But you have a boyfriend? Oh, really? Why did you break up with him?

1:09:08 Caller He moved away and found another girlfriend.

1:09:14 Adam I know I'm the world's biggest A-hole, but I'm thinking, what's this fat chick doing breaking up with some dude? And it's like it didn't compute, and he got a new girl and moved out of town. That's why you dumped him. I know it's cruel, Drew.

1:09:30 Caller It is indeed.

1:09:31 Adam And it is my job to say what everyone's thinking. All I got to say is, listen, fat people are discriminated against in this horrible country of ours. And when I heard about an 18-year-old girl who has a weight problem dumping her boyfriend, it didn't exactly compute. I was like, the chubby chicks don't do the dumping, for the most part. And as it turns out, she dumped him because he got involved with somebody and moved. Megan? All right, baby doll. So you're having an orgasm through oral sex and through masturbation. You're ahead of the game. You're way ahead of the game. Mm-hmm. Sorry for the things Drew said.

1:10:13 Ron Pearlman Yeah, he was brutal.

1:10:15 Adam It's good.

1:10:16 Ron Pearlman As opposed to you. You know, you were just as...

1:10:19 Adam I put my kid gloves on. All right, so Megan, what are you doing? You're 18. Are you in high school?

1:10:25 Caller Yeah, senior. I'm graduating this year.

1:10:26 Adam Where are you going?

1:10:28 Caller I'm going to go up to art school. I want to get into drawing comics, actually.

1:10:33 Adam Oh, really?

1:10:34 Caller Yeah.

1:10:35 Ron Pearlman Very, very nice.

1:10:36 Adam Can you draw Hellboy?

1:10:38 Caller I've tried. He looks kind of like a girl when I try to, you know.

1:10:43 Mostly I draw female characters.

1:10:45 Adam Well, thank you for castrating our guest. We have to take a quick break.

1:10:49 Ron Pearlman You wouldn't be the first.

1:10:52 Adam She broke up with him.

1:10:53 Ron Pearlman My wife had that on her on our wedding night.

1:10:55 Adam Yeah. Drew's wife did it, too, on their wedding night, but does a sacrificial sort of ceremonial castration on the anniversary.

1:11:03 Drew A sacrificial, Adam, yeah.

1:11:05 Adam Sacrificial. All right. We'll take a break. Ron Pearlman from Hellboy is here tonight.

1:11:09 Drew We'll take a quick break.

1:11:10 Adam We'll be right back.

1:11:11 Caller Hello. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline.

1:11:25 Adam Ron Pearlman is here tonight. He is Hellboy. Number one at the box office week before last. Then Jesus gave him a bump, but they'll be back next week. It was one of those Easter things. And oh, the Passion of the Christ, like $360 million or something, the thing is made. I've not seen it. I don't normally see subtitled movies, especially if they don't have nudity. So to me, and it's religious, so it's a bust all the way around. But also it seems too violent, too graphic. I don't mind a little Hellboy violence. You know, it's fantasy. I don't like the actual historical stuff.

1:12:05 Ron Pearlman There's no human blood in Hellboy.

1:12:07 Adam Really?

1:12:07 Ron Pearlman No human blood. So he fights monsters. He's a monster who fights other monsters. So it's all sort of green goo and slime and stuff. No human blood.

1:12:18 Adam Nobody hanging on a cross.

1:12:19 Ron Pearlman No, nothing disturbing at all.

1:12:21 Adam Let's... I got some good calls.

1:12:24 Drew The guy with the swords in his hands, though. You don't see it.

1:12:30 Ron Pearlman I forgot about him. It's very violent. Don't take your kids.

1:12:34 Adam Melissa?

1:12:35 Caller Yes.

1:12:36 Adam You're 23?

1:12:37 Ron Pearlman Mm-hmm.

1:12:38 Adam What's your question?

1:12:40 Caller Well, I'm having problems in my relationship. I'm having big time trust issues. And I don't know how to fix it. I don't know how to make me trust my boyfriend better.

1:12:52 Adam She's 23.

1:12:54 Caller He's 23, too.

1:12:55 Drew Has he ever done anything to lead you to believe he shouldn't be trusted?

1:13:00 Caller No, and that's the problem. I've had, you know, I was married before and had, you know, major trust issues with him. He did cheat on me and he cheated on me all the time.

1:13:13 Drew Now, why would you pick a cheater?

1:13:17 Caller I was really young when I got married.

1:13:23 Adam What about your dad? Where is he? Did he cheat on your mom?

1:13:26 Caller Um, yeah, there's a whole bunch of crap in my, in my past that I'm sure leads up to this.

1:13:33 Drew Well, if your dad was a cheater, can you see the pattern there?

1:13:38 Caller Yeah, I just, you know, this guy I'm with right now, he's a really good guy.

1:13:44 Drew Yeah, but here's what you're, here's why we're pushing on that, Melissa. You first, you pick a cheater. Now, now you insist on this guy being a cheater, even though he's not, you're going to make him into one. And if he's not going to be one, you're going to sabotage the relationship because you won't hear of it if he was not a cheater.

1:14:02 Caller I mean, I try and, I try and, you know, say, go ahead, go out, hang out with your friends, you know, do whatever you want because you need to be a guy and hang out with your guy friends. But then I sit at home and dwell on it all night and I make myself angry, you know.

1:14:18 Drew You're absolute saboteur. You're going to sabotage this thing. This guy is actually good, wouldn't cheat and is available. You won't have any of it.

1:14:25 Adam Yeah. You won't tolerate it because you can't handle the intimacy. All right. So first things first. Don't have any kids.

1:14:31 Caller Oh, I already had one from the first.

1:14:35 Adam Well, OK. So that's one screwed up kid, but don't have any more. Would you please?

1:14:40 Caller Can you give it? Oh, don't worry.

1:14:42 Adam Yeah. No, just give it some time, because look, here's the thing, everybody. You should. It's like, look, it's like having a kid is like, you know, sparring five rounds or something. You have to be in a certain amount of shape to do it. Otherwise, you're going to someone's going to get hurt, you know? And so many people aren't in good enough shape even just to get up out of their chair. Basically, they're 19, they're 20. They got abused when they were kids. They're still, you know, going over the skeletons of their past. And by the way, have zero insight in terms of working it out. Just zero, just zero. And in terms of this society puts no emphasis on that at all. The fact that, you know, someone like Melissa, if she just do a little bit of poking around in the right direction, could probably find some answers to a lot of her questions, but has no idea what direction to head. And our society really provides no road roadmap for the Melissa's of the world is sad. It's bizarre to me how we live in the society comprised of 280 million people. And it just seems to be almost a taboo involved with any work, substantial work done in this field. Like if the president says, look, I'm not particularly religious, but I've been in therapy for a number of years and feel like he'd be drummed out of office. He would be considered weak. Instead, we got retards who are pretending to be religious. Or either we have guys like Clinton who would just say they're religious so they can get their BJs and get people to leave them alone. Or we get people like Bush and Reagan who really are religious. But in a sort of scary, stupid kind of way, more than praying for the casualties over there in Iraq. I don't know who's scarier, the guy who says he's religious and is really just BSing the United States or the guy who actually believes it and is sort of stupid. I hope I'm not offending you, Ron, because of whatever religion.

1:16:42 Ron Pearlman You took care of that a long time ago.

1:16:44 Adam You may be.

1:16:45 Ron Pearlman I've been offended since we went on the air, actually.

1:16:47 Adam It's just sad that we don't...

1:16:48 Ron Pearlman I'm here to protect. I don't know if you've seen the billboards.

1:16:51 Adam I'd like a therapist. I'd like a president or a congressman or someone who goes, Yeah, I do a little therapy. I got my problems. That's what I do. That's my religion. I go and pay a Jewish guy to lie down on the sofa.

1:17:02 Ron Pearlman That's not the American way.

1:17:04 Adam I know. I like the idea that we would think he was weak or that he was somehow screwed up, that he would be stigmatized. Because I don't know if there's ever been an American president who's gone to a therapist, but if they did, they sure as hell wouldn't admit it. They'd rather just be seen leaving church on Sunday with their beard of a wife. That was heavy, Drew. Melissa?

1:17:28 Drew Feel better?

1:17:28 Adam I do.

1:17:29 Ron Pearlman I need a Xanax.

1:17:30 Adam I do.

1:17:31 Ron Pearlman Dr. Drew, can you prescribe things on the air?

1:17:34 Adam Can you do it over the phone?

1:17:36 Caller I'm in Indiana now.

1:17:37 Ron Pearlman They have drug stores there.

1:17:40 Adam Here's what I'm saying. Can you just do it like when they do those mass weddings? You know what I mean? Like you just give us some Xanax over the phone. Yeah. All right, Melissa. No more kids. And don't screw this one up. And how about getting...

1:17:58 Drew Let him be himself? No, no, no. Listen.

1:18:01 Adam Just get some therapy.

1:18:02 Drew Stop worrying about this guy cheating. Realize you need him to cheat and that you won't stay with him if he doesn't cheat and drop all that crap. Stop it. Have a relationship.

1:18:14 Adam All right.

1:18:14 Drew It's not funny.

1:18:15 Adam Hey, listen, stupid. Why don't you do something? Why don't you read a book or listen to some classical music or something?

1:18:22 Caller Okay, I'll do that.

1:18:23 Adam All right, come on. You got a kid now. You got to be better.

1:18:27 Caller Yeah, I know. I'm just... It's hard to try and make it work with this, but, you know, I've offered for us to go to therapy or for me to go to therapy to try and figure out how not to blame him for things he has not done.

1:18:44 Drew Melissa, you can't process what we're telling you, can you? That you need him to cheat. You want to make him cheat so you can sabotage this relationship.

1:18:56 Caller But I don't.

1:18:58 Caller How do I fix it? How do I not?

1:19:00 Drew Well, go do the therapy.

1:19:01 Adam Go do the therapy.

1:19:02 Drew Go do it. That's right.

1:19:04 Adam How about that? All right. Do they have therapists in Arizona? All right. We'll go see one. I imagine like a sort of George O'Keefe sort of desert scene in the therapist's office.

1:19:17 Ron Pearlman No humidity.

1:19:20 Adam Big potted cactus and like a terracotta colored sofa. Guy comes walking in wearing shorts and flip-flops.

1:19:27 Ron Pearlman Very mellow.

1:19:29 Adam I don't know. Something about Arizona doesn't seem right for therapy, Drew. Doesn't have to go to Boston or New York or maybe LA even.

1:19:37 Drew Arizona is good.

1:19:38 Adam Really?

1:19:39 Drew Yeah.

1:19:41 Adam I thought that turquoise colored carpet.

1:19:43 Drew There's some great programs in Arizona. The Meadows is in Arizona. Sierra Tucson is in Arizona.

1:19:51 Adam All right. Katie.

1:19:52 Caller Hello?

1:19:53 Adam You're 21.

1:19:55 Caller Oh my God.

1:19:56 Caller Thank you so much for taking my call.

1:19:58 Caller Thanks for calling.

1:19:59 Caller Sorry if I stutter. I'm really nervous right now. I have a question for Dr. Drew, but first, can I say something, Ron?

1:20:03 Drew You need a shoulder?

1:20:04 Caller Oh, happy birthday, Ron. I just want to tell you, as far as liking older mingos, I think you are extremely sexy and I'm 21. And I love you and you're so great in Hellboy. It was awesome to me.

1:20:16 Ron Pearlman Thank you.

1:20:18 Caller Sorry, I'm nervous. Dr. Drew, my question is, I've been clean off crack for about going on six months now and I did it for about a year, but I only did it like one night a week and we would just do it on the weekend kind of thing. So I never was really addicted to it, but I did do it a lot when I did it that one night and I was wondering, like, would I have a lot of long-term damage from that or do you think that it would be okay, like, I'm kind of worried about, like, my heart and stuff?

1:20:43 Drew Well, you can get some damage in the inner surface of the heart sometimes, but usually the damage, the more serious damage from crack is when you're using. In other words, if you survive the use without having a stroke, without having a heart attack, without having renal failure, you're usually fine. If you want to get an EKG, an echocardiogram, you can sort of know for sure whether you've got any sort of small, like symptoms, like if I'm just, no, not necessarily, my heart's like not kind of felt right, like skipped a beat and stuff like that. Yeah, that's okay. That doesn't necessarily mean a thing. But the crack thing, there's no sort of casual crack use and people don't use crack every day. They use it in binges the way you did. So this suggests, Katie, do you have an eating disorder by the way?

1:21:28 Caller I kind of did when I was younger.

1:21:29 Caller I had a lot of problems when I was younger with like, yeah, I just could I just could feel that about you right away.

1:21:35 Adam The crack was a hint.

1:21:36 Drew Well, no, before, didn't you hear me say, I said eating disorder before she said crack.

1:21:39 Adam I thought Anderson played that drop. It didn't even sound like you. You know, that was me.

1:21:44 Drew That was me.

1:21:45 Adam Well, say it like it's you.

1:21:48 Drew And sort of co-dependency issues.

1:21:50 Adam By the way, you saying that was me didn't sound like it was you.

1:21:52 Drew Did you have an alcoholic family or something or addict parents?

1:21:56 Adam Yes, I did.

1:21:57 Drew Katie?

1:21:58 Caller Yes.

1:22:00 Caller Drew, are you being fresh?

1:22:04 Adam Katie?

1:22:05 Drew Hello?

1:22:06 Caller All right.

1:22:06 Adam Listen, baby doll.

1:22:07 Drew A little 12 step is the point.

1:22:09 Adam 12 steps.

1:22:10 Drew Go to some CA meetings, get a sponsor, work some steps. And I think you have some co-dependency issues to work out too.

1:22:16 Adam All right. Hey, but listen, you know, good time. She quit the crack. And what about like heroin, not too bad for you if you don't die while you're doing heroin, right? Heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood.

1:22:27 Drew And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood.

1:22:39 Adam And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood.

1:22:41 Drew And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood. And heroin causes the heroin to get in your blood.

1:24:47 Ron Pearlman I'd like to ask Dr. Drew. Go ahead. I have a... I'm sure that this is a strange point of view. But so many of our artists have grappled with usage problems, whatever their poison happens to be. It's kind of irrelevant. But Van Gogh, he had his thing. Through the slime is this Robert Downey. And they keep trying to say, you know, you've got to clean up your act and stuff. Richard Pryor, when, you know, it seems as though when these guys stop abusing themselves, they totally lose their edge as artists. All right.

1:25:32 Adam Well, hold on a second, Drew.

1:25:34 Drew Yeah.

1:25:35 Adam This is a good question to formulate an exciting and provocative answer.

1:25:40 Drew You'll be disappointed.

1:25:41 Adam I know. But we're going to take a break and we'll come back and we'll talk about that because it is something that's come up from time to time and it is sort of hard to argue with it. So you can.

1:25:50 Drew What?

1:25:51 Adam Well, it's hard to argue. It's not hard to argue that it's hard to it's not hard to argue that a guy should get off heroin or crack if he's doing heroin or crack. But it's also sort of hard to argue with the fact that. It is two hours time difference, but it's 1978 also in Muncie. So it's actually 2 a.m. and the year is 1978.

1:26:42 Drew I was strangely thinking about that as I was sitting in the hotel with the sort of plastic shower doors and forms, showers and thinking, my God, you're right. And the rest of the country still is in the 70s.

1:26:53 Adam Yeah, that's all right.

1:26:55 Ron Pearlman And parts of Europe.

1:26:58 Drew Well, let me answer Ron's question.

1:26:59 Adam Yes, answer Ron's question and let's just quickly restate Ron's question, which is what about these artists such as Robert Downey Jr.? What about getting off drugs and how does that affect them?

1:27:14 Drew While we're on the subject... And Ron's question was weren't they...

1:27:23 Adam What the hell was that?

1:27:24 Ron Pearlman I have no idea what that is. That has nothing to do with me.

1:27:27 Drew What? We didn't hear it.

1:27:29 Adam I heard it.

1:27:29 Drew What was it?

1:27:31 Adam I don't know, but just go ahead. Go ahead.

1:27:35 Ron Pearlman They finally showed a clip on radio.

1:27:40 Drew The question is were they somehow more creative or more productive when they were using? Ron, the first thing you have to remember is addiction is a progressive disease, okay? And once it progresses to the point it needs treatment, it means it is in full bloom and they can't function any longer. They now are losing relationships and work and they have health problems. So to try to function while continuing to use, impossible, right? So there's one thing. Once they get to the point they need treatment, it's because they can't function anymore. And it will continue to get worse from there. That is in the biology of the condition.

1:28:17 Adam But Ron is saying the man has intervened and forced treatment.

1:28:23 Drew No. So the question is then becomes, were they more productive before they were in full bloom? And I have treated many addicts, actors and actresses and even more musicians, and they all have this very pathological fear that somehow their careers will be at an end. They won't be able to be creative any longer. And of the many hundreds of these people I've treated, not one has that been born out. Not one. They all feel much better afterwards. They feel they're more productive. They get more done. They're better than they were.

1:28:52 Adam Well, what about the singing detective?

1:28:55 Ron Pearlman What about it?

1:28:56 Drew People thought it was a great performance.

1:28:57 Adam Well, Ron did not enjoy that movie. There was no Charlie Chaplin.

1:29:03 Ron Pearlman I think comics get unfunnier when they, you know, I don't know. I think there's also a little, you know, chicken and egg kind of thing here. Like what came first, the psychosis that led to somebody being a user or the using that led to the psychosis or what is it that, you know, gives you the artistic DNA, you know, the thing that where you have to be creative and you have no other choice. There's no way you're going to function in society unless you're either a musician or an actor or an artist or, you know, and all of the damaged circuitry is what is the core of your genius. And it's all kinds of things that are leading to the usage issue, which is probably secondary or tertiary or somewhere, you know.

1:30:02 Adam Well, it's sort of a it's a chicken or egg thing like you brought up and it's sort of moot too because at a certain point you just got to get off. You got to put down the crack pipe.

1:30:11 Drew It's because it's for progress. What are we going to do? Yeah. It progresses to the point that it's going to continue to progress and that's it. They just have to get off.

1:30:18 Adam Well, let's let's let's talk to Eric, who's 22, Eric.

1:30:23 Caller Yeah.

1:30:24 Adam Your fiance was raped for five years by her brother.

1:30:28 Caller Yes.

1:30:29 Adam And you want to know if it's going to affect your marriage?

1:30:33 Caller Yes.

1:30:34 Adam Yes.

1:30:35 Drew Absolutely.

1:30:36 Caller It is not coming. How can we fix that?

1:30:39 Adam Therapy.

1:30:41 Drew She needs a treatment.

1:30:42 Adam Somebody who is Ron would suggest you pick up a crack pipe and simply write poetry all day while smoking crack. But we live in the real world, Ron, and we say therapy.

1:30:53 Ron Pearlman Was that Ron the caller or Ron the guest?

1:30:56 Adam That was Ron the caller. Because Ron the guest is in the studio with me.

1:31:00 Ron Pearlman Because I've never.

1:31:01 Adam Yeah. Hey, Eric. Has she gotten therapy?

1:31:05 Caller No. She doesn't really believe that paying someone to listen is going to help that much.

1:31:09 Adam All right.

1:31:10 Caller Well, good luck, brother.

1:31:14 Ron Pearlman Eric, how long have you known her?

1:31:16 Caller We've been dating for about two months and I've known her for about three.

1:31:22 Ron Pearlman Oh, boy. She's your fiance already.

1:31:26 Caller Yeah.

1:31:26 Adam Listen to me. Now, her brother, her biological brother...

1:31:30 Caller No, it's their adopted brother.

1:31:32 Caller She's adopted.

1:31:33 Adam Her brother was adopted.

1:31:35 Caller Starts getting raped at five.

1:31:37 Adam Her being adopted is a nightmare in and of itself. How old was she when she was adopted?

1:31:42 Caller Just days old.

1:31:45 Adam Okay. Well, that's better being dropped off at two. Eric, you're not going to listen to me. I can tell by your echoing her friend being paid to listen to you sort of BS that you have referred to therapy as. So you will embark in your own hellish ride with this.

1:32:02 Drew Now, this is going to be a lot.

1:32:04 Adam You can listen to us now, though. Here's the thing, Eric, you're not a smart guy. That's fine. All you got to be is smart enough to listen to us. You don't have to be smart enough to come up with your own ideas. Just smart enough not to dismiss our ideas. All right? Okay. Okay. Here's the deal. A, don't get married. Slow down. There's no rush.

1:32:24 Caller You're 22.

1:32:25 Adam What is she, 21, 22?

1:32:28 Caller Yeah, about that.

1:32:30 Adam Give it a few years. Do not be in any hurry. I swear to Christ, this will bite you in the ass. And meanwhile, she needs a boatload of therapy before you even begin to do anything. So do not get married. For Christ's sake, don't have any kids. And get her some therapy.

1:32:48 Ron Pearlman By the way, you can answer your own question if you just take more time to get to know her and find out, you know, the degree of how this affected her, which you will find out only in time.

1:33:01 Adam We will take a break. We'll be right back.

1:33:04 Caller Okay, so I know there's nothing wrong with me. So what's up?

1:33:10 Caller But I tried everything else and thought, what the hell?

1:33:18 Caller 877-889-DATE.

1:33:43 Adam Plum out of time. I want to thank Ron Pearlman for coming in. Ron, here's the deal. Come back for Hellboy 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11. We'll do the odd ones.

1:33:54 Ron Pearlman Okay, yeah. Well, I can see that. It was as odd as it gets tonight, I'll tell you that.

1:34:00 Adam That's what I love about the show. Drew.

1:34:02 Drew Yeah.

1:34:03 Adam Have fun in Muncie.

1:34:05 Drew Thank you.

1:34:06 Adam And...

1:34:06 Ron Pearlman Drew, thank you for having me on and for your enthusiasm for Hellboy.

1:34:12 Drew Yep.

1:34:12 Ron Pearlman As one of the two hosts that saw the movie.

1:34:15 Adam I'm gonna see it on the way home tonight.

1:34:16 Drew I'm telling you, my kids are so excited about this film. I know we're gonna have the DVD playing nonstop when it comes out.

1:34:22 Ron Pearlman There's some stuff waiting for your kids.

1:34:24 Adam All right, Drew, stop kissing ass. So, until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying, mahalo.

1:34:30 Caller I just sort of spazzed out whenever I smoked crack cocaine.

1:34:40 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors or this station. The producer for Loveline is Andy Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

1:35:31 Caller Get it on.

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