Episode 1000575537396

0:55 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content.

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1:30 Drew Marilyn Manson is our guest tonight. Should we call you Marilyn? That good? Manson's good.

1:30 Marilyn Manson That's what you call a friend.

1:31 Adam Manson, we've obviously wanted to come to the studio for quite some time, and he's finally here. I think everyone was just sort of shocked by Manson when he first hit the scene, but I think the word is slowly getting out that he's kind of articulate and interesting and has some good ideas to share. Is that okay with you?

1:44 Marilyn Manson Yeah, that's okay, but I'm still, I have problems.

1:49 Adam No, no, you want to kill, there's no doubt.

1:51 Marilyn Manson I don't want to kill.

1:53 Adam But what I'm saying is that people saw like Bowling for Columbine, which I'm sure Drew didn't see because it would have been something that I saw that you saw in which case you could join in in a conversation that related to it, and that's a mathematical impossibility.

2:08 Marilyn Manson Have you seen Bowling for Concubines?

2:09 Adam No, not seen it.

2:10 Marilyn Manson That's the sequel that I'm working on.

2:13 Adam That's like the porn version of it. Marilyn, I don't think we've ever hung out, but we certainly talked, he did Stern, I think one day when I was hanging out on Stern, and I guess you were in studio, and we had a chance to share a little spit from 3,000 miles away.

2:32 Marilyn Manson Funny comments over there.

2:34 Adam That's my job. Marilyn Manson is going to be, or Marilyn Manson is going to be at the Greek Theatre coming up on October 10th, and we're going to hear something off the Golden Age of Grotesque, which is the newish and newer CD. And what about acting? I was just looking at the thing here. It says it's between you and Johnny Depp for the remake of Willy Wonka.

2:57 Marilyn Manson That's a weird rumor. I don't know how it got started. I would love to be involved in that, and I'm friends with Johnny, but I think I would be, although I love Willy Wonka and a lot of my personality is based on him as a kid.

3:11 Adam Oh yeah?

3:11 Marilyn Manson I always idolized him because he was...

3:13 Drew Willy, not Charlie, but...

3:15 Marilyn Manson No, Willy, because he was like the devil in some way. You know, chocolate was like a metaphor for sin to me, and I wanted to be him, but I think that I might make a better Mr. Slugworth.

3:25 Adam Do you think of yourself...

3:27 Marilyn Manson But that's a weird rumor, I guess.

3:29 Adam Do you think of yourself as an actor or musician or a artist, you know what I mean?

3:35 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cringed in the same way. When you call yourself an artist, it sounds kind of pretentious, but that's what I... That's how I started, you know? And before I sang, you know, I drew, I wanted to make comic books, and then I wasn't sure where I wanted to go, and music seemed like it fit for me, but now I've gotten to the point where it's all about expression, and if I have something in my imagination, I can't limit myself to just music. If I want to paint, or if I want to act, or put it in my performance.

4:12 Adam Do you get recognized a lot when you go out? I was just thinking, like, remember, you always say it's gotta be trouble, like once you pick a theme, like Marilyn Manson has picked a theme, sort of for your life, a persona, people know you by, I always think about this with rockabilly guys. They got the hair slicked back, they're wearing the plaid shirts, and they got the jeans that are cuffed up and the boots, but then when they just want to go to the corner to get some cigarettes, they can't wear sweatpants because then it looks weird because they got a stray cat's tattoo and their hair is slicked back, but they're wearing sweatpants and jab flaps, it's weird, you know, that becomes a lot of work. Is a lot of work being you?

4:50 Marilyn Manson Well, there's different levels, and I don't limit myself to being one thing, and sometimes people want to reduce it to on stage and off stage, but I think sometimes I can be a hundred different things in one day, but everything that I do as far as the way I dress or how I look or if I'm wearing lipstick or not wearing lipstick or whatever the case might be, none of it is uncomfortable for me, I do it all out of enjoyment.

5:16 Adam Now, when you go out and we see you the way you are now, do you get recognized a lot?

5:20 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I mean, I kind of wear more of my disguised look right now.

5:24 Adam Yeah, that's what I'm saying, so you fly under the radar.

5:27 Marilyn Manson I got a big funny head that people have. Yeah, it doesn't work. It's just like there's Marilyn Manson wearing a stupid outfit or disguise.

5:37 Adam And see, for me, it's my nasally drone that I think tips people off as to who I am. And Drew, no one recognizes you, do they? Not even your own family?

5:47 Marilyn Manson Occasionally.

5:49 Adam On payday. Marilyn Manson in studio tonight will hear something off the new CD. And we'll go to the phones, we'll take some calls, so just, well, you know how the show goes, right, Marilyn Manson?

6:00 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

6:01 Adam Sean?

6:05 Yeah.

6:06 Adam You're 17?

6:07 Caller Yes. What's up? I would just like to say to Marilyn Manson that you are pretty much the only person that have made me realize that it's okay to be me, and it's okay to wear the clothes that I wear, and it's okay to feel the feelings that I feel.

6:23 Adam What happened?

6:24 Marilyn Manson I think that's flattering that you give me credit for it, but I think you probably deserve the credit yourself.

6:29 Drew What kind of feelings are you feeling?

6:31 Adam What kind of clothes are you wearing?

6:33 Caller Well, I started getting into the goth scene, but it's more about my self-expression, and I express myself through film and through acting.

6:42 Adam For me, it's napping and beating off, but we all have our own way. We have our own canvas. Every artist has a different canvas.

6:48 Marilyn Manson I think it's good. A lot of people will often criticize music fans, particularly mine, saying that they're dressing like me or something like that, but I don't look at it that way. I think they're just being creative. It was the same for me when I found something growing up that I identified with. When you start dressing a certain way, that's just the beginning of you finding your element, where you're going to go.

7:15 Drew Who did you copy for the beat-off nap?

7:19 Adam I actually, I studied.

7:21 Drew You pioneered it?

7:22 Adam I studied dogs during the summer. I just saw them lying around on the porch a lot.

7:26 Drew And when you realized you couldn't lick your penis, you came up with the next best alternative, yeah.

7:31 Adam That's why I study.

7:32 Drew That's good.

7:32 Adam Yeah. A couple of them were dead. I didn't even know it. I was wondering why they hadn't moved the whole summer.

7:37 Drew Think how you've taken that persona on.

7:38 Adam It's wonderful. I know. You've done a great study. You have maybe the fascination with morbidity. But for me, I'm the real McCoy. I'm actually home waiting to die almost every night watching TV. You see what I'm saying? I mean, I don't...

7:55 Marilyn Manson I thought you were going to say you had a fascination with sex because I was going to argue that I have more of one.

8:00 Adam No, you do. But see, people would think like between me and Marilyn Manson, well, Marilyn Manson would win hands down on his fascination of death and more... Was it morbidity?

8:13 Marilyn Manson If it makes you feel any better, if I was you, I would want to die too.

8:17 Drew Thank you.

8:18 Marilyn Manson See?

8:19 Drew You are closer to death.

8:20 Adam I don't want to die. I am just waiting to die, which is different. You see what I am saying? I don't want to do anything in the meantime. Death is here. I am here. I would like to make that chasm unscathed.

8:33 Drew You masturbate repeatedly.

8:35 Adam I don't count that.

8:37 Marilyn Manson See, what I do is I do everything that would put you there and make your body a place where germs don't want to live. That's how I stay healthy. You feel yourself full.

8:48 Drew You scare the ass out of the bacteria.

8:51 Adam And what about androgyny? Do you feel androgynous at all?

8:56 Marilyn Manson Yeah, a lot of times. Strangely, I think since I cut my hair shorter and look more like a guy that I feel more androgynous.

9:07 Adam Really?

9:07 Marilyn Manson But I like to. I like to wear lipstick but not to look like I'm being theatrical. It's like a girl wears lipstick. I wear it too because I think it suits my face or it makes me look better. And my girlfriend likes it.

9:21 Adam Sean?

9:22 Caller I also had a question about female orgasm and basically why it exists.

9:28 Drew Why does it exist?

9:29 Adam Yeah, because I got to have some incentive.

9:31 Drew Right. To give them a little incentive too.

9:35 Caller That's kind of strange because the male orgasm, I mean, you exhaled sperm to reproduce.

9:41 Adam Yeah, but we're saying the female orgasm gives them incentive to let us release our sperm into them. Otherwise, it's all roofies and wine coolers. Okay, thanks.

9:56 Marilyn Manson It's also to make you feel inferior if you premature ejaculate.

9:59 Adam Yeah, and they don't have. And it also gives them something to work on when they're faking. All right.

10:04 Drew Something to imitate?

10:05 Adam Well, I just mean, I mean, here's the thing about nature. Nature wants procreation, right?

10:11 Drew Right.

10:11 Adam But it's not all about the one who's carrying the gun. The target needs to be motivated to get in front of the gun.

10:20 Drew Yeah, of course.

10:21 Adam And that's why they have it.

10:21 Drew There was a theory for a while circulated that the orgasm was necessary for pregnancy or enhanced the possibility of pregnancy by sucking the sperm up during the contraction.

10:31 Marilyn Manson The woman wrote that, right?

10:32 Drew Absurd, yeah.

10:35 Adam Let's talk to Sarah's 22. Sarah?

10:39 How you doing?

10:40 Adam Good.

10:42 I have a bit of a problem. My family, I have two sisters and a mom and dad. They've been together for I believe about 25 years. And I came out to them about three years ago as to being a lesbian. And I was just wondering if you know of any books that I could present to them so that they could understand my side, because it seems to be pretty much their side that they don't agree with it and they don't want to hear anything about it.

11:08 Adam Are they religious?

11:10 Actually, my dad, for the longest time, to my knowledge, didn't even believe in God. But all of a sudden, he believes in God. And they don't really, they don't attend church regularly. But you know, I'll kiss this Easter and stuff like that.

11:24 Marilyn Manson Presence of lesbians can often drive one to God.

11:27 Adam Yeah. It's that, that and cancer, I think, is number two.

11:30 Drew There are tons of books out there.

11:32 Marilyn Manson Hustler.

11:32 Drew And there's the websites that...

11:36 Adam Well, there's Show Your Kids Gone Queer.

11:39 Drew No, that is, that organization, that parents group.

11:41 Adam The library.

11:42 Drew The parents pack group.

11:45 Adam Oh, yeah. There's some group that basically gets parents together and...

11:48 Drew Supports one another and talks about it. Oh, what is it called?

11:53 Adam There should be... Here's what the book should be called. At least I'm not blowing...

11:57 Marilyn Manson Rosie O'Donnell Show?

11:59 Adam Yeah, if you watch... Oh, that's off the air. We can maybe see it in syndication. Here's what my book would be called. At least your daughter's not blowing some dude. You know what I mean? I mean, think about... Like, Drew, if you're like freaked out... Let's just say you're freaked...

12:13 Drew The last dude you'll ever blow.

12:14 Adam You have a daughter, right?

12:15 Drew Yeah, listen, I think the dad may have gone to church to thank God that she's a lesbian.

12:19 Adam You cringe a little bit when you think about what guys may be soiling her in a period of bizarre sexual ways.

12:26 Drew You're not worried about her, you're worried about the guys.

12:28 Adam You don't trust the guys. You don't like the guys. You're thinking about date raves, you're thinking about bad boyfriends, you're thinking about all the stuff you did when you were 17, 18, 19, right?

12:37 Marilyn Manson Can I ask a question, Sarah? What's degree of lesbianism? Are you real butch-like looking? I mean, is it something that people are going to judge you because of the way you come across or look?

12:59 No, I mean I'm athletic, but other than that, well, you'll like this, Adam. I am a truck driver, but I'm not the stereotypical truck driver. I'm not butch by any means, so, I mean, that's...

13:13 Adam You drive a rig for a living, right?

13:15 Drew I would think that would be very intriguing to guys.

13:17 Adam That gets you right on the border of butch.

13:18 Drew Do a lot of guys hit on you?

13:20 No, I'm not butch, though. That's the funny thing.

13:23 Drew A lot of guys don't hit on you.

13:26 Adam How tall?

13:27 5'9.

13:28 Adam Okay, but here's the part. You're athletic and you drive a truck for a living. That's butch and butch so far.

13:35 Caller Well, yeah.

13:35 Adam I mean, you drive a pink truck and you look like Penelope Pitstop or how does it work?

13:42 Marilyn Manson Are you the more masculine one in your relationship?

13:48 Adam Why does there have to be a dude? In helping with dudes, there has to be a chick. No, but to take the symbolic role of the male.

13:56 Marilyn Manson With the lesbian experiences I've personally encountered, the girls were both very feminine.

14:01 Adam Oh, really? When you say encountered, what do you mean by that? You mean been involved, been sandwiched between?

14:07 Marilyn Manson Well, you know, I have an interesting home life.

14:09 Adam See, that's where, but see, those aren't real lesbians. Those are sort of bisexual chicks in the same room with a rock star willing to, you know, bend their proclivities just a little bit. See, that's not a real lesbian. That's not a truck driving lesbian. Car-carrying. Yes. Sarah? Are you mad at your dad?

14:31 Caller No, not at all.

14:32 Adam Do you love your dad?

14:33 Drew Do you love your dad? Do you still have sex with your girlfriend?

14:36 Caller Yeah. Well, she's actually in Australia, but when she gets back.

14:39 Drew What's she doing there?

14:41 Pardon me?

14:42 Drew What's she doing there?

14:43 She's studying.

14:45 Drew How long is she going to be there for?

14:46 Caller Until January.

14:48 Adam Alright. Listen, Sarah, your parents will get over it. What can I say? Oh, yeah.

14:56 Drew Yeah, I think so too.

14:57 Adam It just, that's what all parents do. They have a horrible time and then six months from now, they end up befriending your lesbian partner and they like her more and they like you and then you call back and that's your next problem.

15:07 Drew Somebody needs to call us and tell us the name of that organization.

15:10 Adam Yeah, I, it's, yeah, I can't think of a name of it either, but it's some sort of support group that...

15:16 Drew Yeah, it's got a nice, cute name.

15:19 Adam It might have the name of Rainbow. Flag?

15:22 Drew Flag?

15:23 Adam You mean, oh, it's like an acronym? Friends of gays. Maybe it's fag.

15:30 Drew Hey, listen, I got to put out a plea real quick, and I hope you're listening screeners. Good Morning America is looking for some people to talk to who order, who've gotten addicted to drugs or who use drugs that they order across the internet. I'd be willing to go on TV and talk about that. If you want to call in, tell the screeners that you're the one, and I'll have Good Morning America call you if you want to do something like that.

15:51 Adam We're going to do a call, but...

15:52 Drew And I'm interested in talking to them on the air, too, to see, six is what I headed up there in the first place for. I'm interested in talking to people on the air, too, to get drugs on the internet, because that's becoming a really, really easy... One of my staff members today said that she just was curious if she could do it and was within three minutes, could order hundreds of Vicans, hundreds of Somas.

16:10 Adam Really?

16:10 Drew Hundreds of Ambien, Adam.

16:11 Adam Ambien. That's my thing. But I want to get some Ludes, too. What's the site?

16:16 Drew There's lots of... This one was an American one. A doctor actually set it up in America, but there's ones from Turkey and Australia, all over the place.

16:24 Adam I want to get some Valium, some Ludes, and some Ambien. All right?

16:28 Drew Good times.

16:29 Adam I'll work that out. Let's talk to Will, who's on line six. Will?

16:36 Hello?

16:36 Adam You're 18?

16:37 Caller Yeah.

16:38 Adam What's up?

16:39 Caller Me and my girlfriend, we've been together for like nine months, and I've been kind of wanting to do a threesome with her, but she's kind of conservative and stuff.

16:47 Drew How dare she?

16:49 Caller He's so uptight.

16:51 Adam He got to start a band. Right, Marilyn?

16:54 Marilyn Manson Yeah, yeah. That definitely helps.

17:00 Adam She doesn't want to do it.

17:02 Marilyn Manson She doesn't want to do it.

17:03 Caller She hasn't said it. I haven't even asked her yet.

17:06 Drew Well, she won't want to do it. And it will destroy your relationship.

17:08 Adam How do you know she doesn't want to do it if you haven't asked her?

17:11 Caller No, I just wonder what's the best way to bring it up to her.

17:13 Marilyn Manson Let me give you a word of advice from personal experience. There's a line that you can't cross when you do get involved in one of those.

17:21 Adam What is it? The anal?

17:23 Marilyn Manson I'm not sure, but I crossed the line at one point, and I won't mention any names, but I got punched in the face. Because she's going to get jealous of the other girl.

17:31 Drew Absolutely. Heavy, heavy feelings will emerge that no one can predict.

17:36 Adam Were the lines laid out before you started getting it on?

17:40 Marilyn Manson There was no lines. And it was in another country, too, so it's very vague.

17:45 Adam It was unspoken, but okay, so let me think. Now, you know, here may be one of the things, ironically.

17:51 Marilyn Manson Oh, but you know what, there was three girls, I'm sorry.

17:53 Adam Three girls in you? And one of them was your girlfriend?

17:56 Drew That's an Amsterdam move. Oh.

17:59 Marilyn Manson Sweden.

17:59 Drew Sweden.

18:01 Adam Wow. Yeah. Wow. Just think.

18:05 Drew Well, but the-

18:05 Marilyn Manson Yeah, no, but they'll get-

18:06 Drew The girlfriend will freak.

18:08 Adam Yeah, but is the line- And let me try to figure out-

18:11 Marilyn Manson There it is, P-flag. Imagine, well, just think of it this way. If you were having a threesome with another guy, how you'd feel, because that's probably how she's going to feel.

18:18 Drew Yeah, the organization is P-flag, parents and friends of lesbian and gays, and you get it on the web.

18:23 Caller All right, Drew, shut up. We're done.

18:25 Adam We're talking about the goddamn threesomes, or foursomes here. I know, but don't, you see, Drew, you know what you got to do? You got to not react. The P-flag comes up on the thing. We'll finish talking about what went on in Sweden, and then you'll mention it. Thank you. Drew nods like it's like some puppy that just got his face rubbed in his wee-wee. But I'm not done with the Sweden thing. So, you're with your girlfriend, you're traveling, you're on tour, you're playing in Sweden, and somehow a couple of chicks, two more women, beautiful women, yes?

18:59 Marilyn Manson Girls.

19:01 Adam Beautiful girls. Of age, yeah. Young, beautiful girls. Of age. Blondes, brunettes.

19:06 Marilyn Manson Brunettes.

19:07 Adam Brunettes. All right. Now, you guys agree to all have some kind of foursome in the hotel room.

19:13 Marilyn Manson No, no, no. It wasn't that simple. I just said, why don't you go round up some broads, honey? And she came back with some girls. We just had first started going out, so it was an experimental part of our relationship.

19:25 Drew And...

19:27 Marilyn Manson But apparently, she was, you know, had free will to go wherever she wanted, but I must have...

19:36 Drew Crossed the line.

19:37 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I crossed the line.

19:38 Drew All boundaries must be set up in the war room.

19:40 Marilyn Manson The Beaver Line, I think. Yeah, maybe it's called...

19:42 Adam You went down on one of the girls.

19:45 Marilyn Manson I'm not going to get into details. My hat fell off, and that condom fell off.

19:51 Adam No, no, no. He went down. He went down. Here's the thing. Here's what they don't want to see. Ironically, probably don't want to see any making out. That might be too personal, too intimate. Do you know what I mean?

20:02 Marilyn Manson Absolutely.

20:02 Adam Almost non-sexual. Almost...

20:04 Marilyn Manson I agree.

20:05 Adam That's something you do with someone you're in love with. So, probably no making out. I'm just guessing.

20:10 Drew I mean, look at how weird and arbitrary all these things are and how ridiculous we are from doing it.

20:14 Marilyn Manson It's true.

20:15 Adam You don't make out... Like, when you were at those hookers, you didn't kiss them with your tongue. It was all... Oh, Drew. These old-fashioned Sir Walter Raleigh over here. No. You don't make out, and I don't think you go and pleasure them. I think that might be a no-no.

20:29 Marilyn Manson That's it. That's it.

20:30 Adam You don't want to bring them pleasure. They're there to pleasure you, which I agree with. But if your woman sees you working hard, there's nothing a woman hates more than witnessing you doing something for another woman, even if it's a back massage, if you get her bouquet, if you go down on her. It all goes in a heading of, how come you're doing something for her and you're not doing something for me? Right?

20:53 Marilyn Manson All right. I didn't go down on her.

20:54 Adam I know. You tried, and then you got into trouble.

20:57 Drew Got the punch.

20:57 Marilyn Manson I had a fist.

21:00 Adam Let's take ourselves a little break. Marilyn Manson in studio tonight. We're going to hear something off the new CD.

21:07 Marilyn Manson We're not going to hear Use Your Fist and Not Your Mouth, which could be appropriately the name of the Swedish trip.

21:13 Adam The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD, and we'll be right back after this.

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21:34 Drew I'm ready.

21:50 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Sarah Silverman in here tomorrow night, Marilyn Manson in here tonight, or to his friends, Manson. The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD. He just, we'll hear something about that. He just presented us with a little present. Actually, I should say me with a little present because I'm taking that home with me, Drew.

22:13 Drew I figured, I figured.

22:14 Adam It's, how do you say that? Absinthe?

22:16 Marilyn Manson Yeah, it's absent.

22:19 Adam And this is a, would you call it a liqueur? And it basically, it's been around for a few million years but I think it's having a little resurgence.

22:30 Marilyn Manson What'd you say? I think, I think. Mostly on my part, I've bought all the absinthe that exists in the world. I've been drinking it for about six years. But it's the only thing I like to drink because it's not so much a drunken feeling you get as more of a euphoric feeling.

22:46 Adam Really?

22:46 Marilyn Manson It makes you really sexually aggressive.

22:50 Adam This is exciting. This could be my new booze.

22:53 Marilyn Manson Oh, it will be.

22:54 Adam It will?

22:54 Marilyn Manson Plus, I probably technically suffer from absintheism, which is, you become very addicted to it.

23:02 Adam Oh, you do. It's very addicting. More so than, now if you weren't an alcoholic.

23:06 Marilyn Manson More so than regular alcohol.

23:07 Caller Really?

23:07 Marilyn Manson But it has an allure to it because, I mean, it's the drink of all of the artists over the years.

23:15 Adam Right.

23:16 Marilyn Manson You could be very productive. You know, you can't do anything when you're drunk on vodka or something like that.

23:21 Caller Right.

23:21 Marilyn Manson But when you drink Absinthe, you get very creative.

23:23 Adam Well, I mean, I pee out my window and I shadow box in the mirror, but it doesn't really, it's not really that productive when I'm drunk. But I do that, you know, the thing where you look at Shelf the Mirror and you go, you want some? You want some of this? I didn't think so. Now, what about drugs in creativity? Or just being altered in creativity? I mean, you're obviously a creative person. How much of your creativity comes when you're altered?

23:54 Marilyn Manson It's more about the experiences that you have been altered. That inspire, because, you know, a lot of times when you're, you know, manipulated by different things, you can't function, but Absinthe is somewhat productive in that way, but, you know, and it makes you have really vivid, strange dreams, which I really like.

24:17 Adam It's gonna be good for me tonight, Drew. Now, how do you drink it? Do you put it in a shot glass? You just put it in a brandy snifter?

24:23 Drew I'll show you.

24:24 Marilyn Manson You put, well, you can put sugar in, but that's kind of for first timers.

24:29 Adam It comes with like some sort of strainer too. What is that?

24:32 Marilyn Manson Well, you put a sugar cube on the spoon and you set it on fire and it melts in it. It's just supposed to make it taste sweeter, but you mix it with water. With water. And if it turns white and milky, then it's real absinthe. If it's not, then it's fake.

24:45 Adam And where do you get it? Just get it in any liquor store?

24:47 Marilyn Manson You can get it in Europe. No, this is kind of the legal American version, but it originated in France, I think, but the only people who have made the traditional is kind of in Spain and in Prague and places like that.

25:04 Adam All right, I'm going to get into this.

25:05 Drew Yeah, I think you might have to leave early.

25:07 Adam Yeah, listen, no problem. I'm dying to try this stuff. All right, let's, what are we going to do? Let's take a call.

25:14 Drew And then do a song.

25:15 Adam Yeah, let's take a call. We'll do a song, do all that. Amber? You're 22? You have a question for Manson?

25:22 Caller Yeah, but before I get to that, I came up with a way for you to cut your toenails without having the clippings go everywhere.

25:29 Adam Well, you know, somebody sent me a toenail clipper that had a hopper in it that caught whatever toenail clippings came off. Somebody invented this.

25:38 Drew You have another idea, though, Amber?

25:39 Adam I am awesome at inventing things that already exist. Yeah.

25:44 Caller Well, it's very simple. All you need to do is take your pillow up on the mattress, put it up against your headboard, then sit on your bed vertical to the pillow and put your toes about maybe two to three inches away from the pillow and then when you cut your nails, the pillow will deflect the nails back down onto the bed.

26:07 Drew Adam cannot do anything that requires two steps.

26:10 Adam You're talking to a guy who took a dump in a shower because he was too lazy to climb out, take a dump and get back into the shower.

26:16 Marilyn Manson I pee in hotel rooms a lot of times if I'm hungover and I don't feel like walking to the bathroom.

26:21 Drew This guy never makes it to the toilet. He goes to the sink.

26:23 Adam Why, I was in the sink.

26:24 Marilyn Manson I just sinks.

26:25 Adam You're a sink guy? See, I see great minds, Drew. You understand?

26:29 Marilyn Manson I don't use the bathroom in my dress rooms either.

26:32 Drew He just pees on the floor.

26:32 Adam He just whizzes all over the floor?

26:36 Marilyn Manson But it sucks when I come home after tour because then I forget and I...

26:40 Adam Right, no, you're in the mode of urinating.

26:44 Drew Adam, well, see, there's the Corolla method. He had a nice sort of low, thin window that you throw up and just turn to the right and pee out the window.

26:52 Adam Yeah, I whiz out the window too when I'm at home. But the gardener started getting mad actually because it smelled like big urine dump in the side of the house. So, hey, Amber, you have a question for Manson?

27:12 Caller Is that true and if so, why?

27:14 Marilyn Manson That's one of the oldest rumors. That one's up there with that I was Paul from the wonder years. But I think that rumor got started because I wear corsets.

27:24 Adam Yeah.

27:25 Marilyn Manson And I obviously wouldn't be here if that were true.

27:28 Adam If you could blow yourself.

27:30 Drew The removal of the ribs, yeah, interesting that a woman would ask why would you do that.

27:33 Marilyn Manson I know someone who's done that though.

27:35 Drew I don't understand where the removal of the ribs would go.

27:37 Marilyn Manson They're way smaller.

27:38 Adam You can get down lower? You can get rid of that?

27:40 Marilyn Manson There's a transsexual person that had their ribs removed to make their waist smaller.

27:47 Drew Well that makes sense but it doesn't make sense that you'd be able to bend over any better. It's a back to back issue.

27:52 Marilyn Manson We've all tried that.

27:53 Adam And listen, when you're Marilyn Manson and you can afford people to blow yourself for you, you no longer have to blow yourself. Those days are long gone.

28:02 Marilyn Manson Yeah, but in Absinthe too.

28:05 Caller Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

28:06 Caller I mean, being a rock star, do you really need to do that?

28:11 Adam No, you don't need to. You have people for that.

28:16 Marilyn Manson And I don't believe on getting sperm on myself because that-

28:21 Adam Your own sperm.

28:22 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I'm really against that.

28:23 Adam Yeah, it is kind of weird. Yeah, although, you know-

28:26 Drew Unanimous agreement.

28:27 Marilyn Manson My guitar player likes, this is a question for you. He likes to eat his own sperm voluntarily. Like he'll, he doesn't like penetration with women. I think he only likes to be manhandled.

28:41 Drew This is a trauma survivor.

28:43 Marilyn Manson And he- He needs help. And he likes to lick it off of the breasts of-

28:49 Adam Oh, off the breasts of the women.

28:51 Marilyn Manson Yeah, but it doesn't have to be. Cause he'll lick it off his hand.

28:54 Adam Here's, well, but here's the thing.

28:56 Caller I mean, here's why-

28:57 Drew Where's that vomit salivary?

28:58 Marilyn Manson What's behind that though?

28:59 Adam I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what the problem is. Is you should be into almost everything until you orgasm. And then you should be done. That's what I'm like. I'm like the dealer at Vegas who's shift changes. Like, it's like, it's like, I'm going to love you all night.

29:15 Caller Oh baby, I'm going to flip you over.

29:16 Adam You need like the girl clapper.

29:17 Marilyn Manson You clap and they gone.

29:19 Adam But soon as, soon as you bust that nut, then you just want to watch TV or eat or drink Absinthe or something like that. So the idea that he's ingesting himself. Drew, what does that say about him? From a survivor?

29:31 Drew Yeah, something not good. It could mean a million things, but it's something.

29:35 Marilyn Manson But is it related to the no interest in penetration?

29:37 Drew It's going to be related to a lot of weird stuff. You're going to find something real weird went on with him at one time.

29:43 Marilyn Manson Is it some kind of edifice?

29:44 Drew It's much more severe, some sort of major trauma. Something happened to him.

29:48 Adam Could he give him...

29:50 Marilyn Manson And this might be going too far to reveal this information, but he also likes to have a finger in the butt. Yeah, and I'm trying to convince him he's gay, but he doesn't believe me.

30:00 Drew I'll bet you there's even things he does he's afraid to tell you about.

30:03 Adam Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy behavior, Drew.

30:06 Marilyn Manson Well, I think he's changed his life now. He's got a girl.

30:10 Adam And he found Jesus Christ.

30:12 Marilyn Manson I did.

30:13 Adam Did you found Jesus Christ?

30:14 Marilyn Manson Yeah, because I had that trial in Minnesota, which I've won.

30:17 Adam I forgot about that, yeah.

30:19 Marilyn Manson I was accused of... which actually they asked me on the stand, is it true that you're sexually aroused by a husky man's neck? Because I've made some sarcastic comment in Spin Magazine. And it's not true, I have to assure you.

30:34 Adam Now, what happened? You sucked. And by the way, let me just... You know what?

30:37 Marilyn Manson I can't...

30:37 Adam You can't talk about it. All right, well, let me ask you this. Let's get back to the Jizz Gobbler. Can you give yourself hepatitis, Drew?

30:45 Drew No. You either have it or you don't.

30:47 Adam I was just doing a... I was just checking. Sort of a cosmic question. You know what I mean?

30:51 Drew You want to know whether he's wearing a condom or not.

30:53 Adam Should he wear a condom before he licks himself up? And doesn't that condom become a sandwich bag at a certain point? You know what I mean? If he's consuming the contents, when does it stop being a condom and start becoming a sandwich bag? Right.

31:07 Marilyn Manson Here's a health question or a health suggestion that I have. I wash my hands before I urinate because my hands are dirty.

31:14 Adam Adam, that's what I've been saying that for years.

31:17 Drew I've been saying that the urine is sterile. This is ridiculous. And plus, you're not touching anything now in a bathroom. The bathrooms flush themselves, you're not touching, maybe you're touching your penis, which is fine.

31:28 Adam What I'll do is I'll urinate on my hands before I urinate. And then I urinate.

31:34 Drew That's probably cleaner than water.

31:35 Adam And then I walk out, like I'm in a mash unit, and I do this, and my wife slips a gown around me, and then I scrub up. All right, what are we doing? Are we gonna hear a song? Yeah. All right, let's hear a song. This is, you cute up there, Chris? This off the CD, The Golden Age of Grotesque, and this song is called This Is the New Hit. That's Marilyn Manson. The Golden Age of Protests is the name of the CD. Marilyn and the rest of the Manson family can be seen over at the Greek Theatre on the 10th of this month. That's, what the hell are we?

35:50 Drew The 10th of October?

35:51 Marilyn Manson That's Friday.

35:52 Adam It's Friday. Oh, really? We're there already?

35:56 Drew Isn't that crazy?

35:57 Marilyn Manson I'm unveiling some new elements. Yeah. We did the Oz Fest tour, obviously. And I have some contortionist dancer girls on stage with these seemingly nude prosthetic outfits that are causing problems. But I have a mechanical girl. The bottom half is completely real. The top half you can control.

36:18 Adam Really?

36:18 Marilyn Manson It's every man's fantasy.

36:20 Adam Did you, were you into the tubes growing up? Remember them?

36:25 Marilyn Manson I'm completely into the song from Xanadu where the tubes change off with the swing band.

36:33 Adam Yeah, I never saw Xanadu.

36:35 Marilyn Manson Oh, you don't know what you're missing. It's like the rock band. And then it goes to like, I think Olivia Newton-John and she's, she's like, I'll swing dance.

36:44 Adam But you're not hip to the old tubes stage stuff like from San Francisco and all that.

36:49 Marilyn Manson I kind of missed it when it was happening but I caught on to it later.

36:52 Adam Yeah, they were, they sort of remind me of, they were a band that infused a lot of theatrics and stuff like that. All right. We were talking about Foot Fetishes for a second here because Manson was telling us he was into that during the song.

37:07 Marilyn Manson Yeah, my new video for that song, there's some scenes where I'm, I have a sucking on feet.

37:15 Adam How much into feet are you?

37:17 Marilyn Manson Well, I'm not into all feet. I'm into my girlfriend's feet.

37:20 Drew You're into Bobby socks, is that what you said?

37:22 Marilyn Manson No, stockings.

37:23 Adam Stockings, stockings.

37:24 Marilyn Manson I have such an extreme stocking fetish that I've liked to wear stockings, but especially the skin tone.

37:32 Drew Do you have a sense of where that came from? Where you associated that with sexuality? Because we can't quite.

37:37 Marilyn Manson I kind of talked about it a little bit when I wrote my book, because I had to figure it out for myself, but my grandfather, who is a real strange pervert.

37:47 Adam He was a wine maker?

37:49 Marilyn Manson No, no, no, he had dildos and all kinds of stuff.

37:53 Adam Really, your grandfather?

37:54 Marilyn Manson He was a truck driver.

37:55 Drew To your dad's dad?

37:56 Marilyn Manson Yeah, and they didn't talk. I think there was some issues between them. My dad.

38:01 Adam And he was a perv?

38:02 Marilyn Manson My dad volunteered to go to Vietnam, but besides all that, my grandfather was.

38:07 Drew To get away from his dad?

38:08 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I think so. My grandfather was a truck driver and he got in an accident when they took him to hospital. He was wearing lingerie underneath his clothes.

38:16 Adam See, that's why I don't do it, Drew. Don't worry about my driving.

38:18 Marilyn Manson But I don't have it in this, I mean that's not.

38:20 Drew Do you think he wore it around you as a kid or anything?

38:22 Marilyn Manson I don't think so. I don't think that's where it came from. I think it comes from, you know where my earliest memories are, the mom on Tom and Jerry. You only saw her from the knees down. She had the high heels and the stockings. And she was always wagging her finger.

38:34 Drew Did your mom behave kind of like that at all?

38:37 Marilyn Manson No.

38:38 Drew Did she wear stockings?

38:39 Marilyn Manson No.

38:40 Adam Let me ask you this, hypothetically, you have a beautiful girlfriend. Would you rather her be missing a boob or a foot? Just one?

38:49 Marilyn Manson I'd go with the foot because I also have a strange fetish for amputees.

38:54 Adam Oh really? So that would be a turn on?

38:55 Marilyn Manson Not a little one, but I just have like a, so I'm very fascinated by it and I collect prosthetic limbs.

39:03 Drew You shut this penile reconstruction book rather quickly.

39:06 Marilyn Manson No, I mean I've seen all of it.

39:09 Adam He's got the same book in his car, he's looking at it right in. Well wait a minute, so you would rather your girlfriend be missing a foot than missing a boob?

39:17 Marilyn Manson Well, I wouldn't want her to have a boob.

39:20 Adam No, but you have to pick one, you'll understand. You have to pick one.

39:23 Drew If you had a million dollars.

39:25 Marilyn Manson Yeah, because I'd get her like a really nice prosthetic leg with a high heel.

39:29 Adam But your foot, but your foot guy.

39:31 Marilyn Manson Well, there's still one.

39:33 Adam Okay.

39:34 Drew The feet are not as necessarily symmetrical as the breast, are they?

39:37 Adam No, but you just, you only need one foot really if you got a foot fetish. All right, I'm just trying to get some light shed on this.

39:44 Marilyn Manson Speaking of foot fetishes, I won't talk about it.

39:47 Adam Yeah, yeah, what?

39:49 Marilyn Manson Well, like the penis shoe. It's like a high heel with a penis on the heel. Yeah.

39:54 Drew The penis on the heel.

39:55 Marilyn Manson Well, you'd kind of kick a girl in the crotch with it.

39:57 Drew Oh, really? Oh, that's interesting.

39:58 Marilyn Manson One girl would kick another girl in the crotch.

40:00 Drew Does that turn you on to see that kind of thing?

40:02 Marilyn Manson No, but I have seen it. I decided to mention it. They don't sell it at Foot Locker, but.

40:06 Drew No?

40:07 Adam I gotta get that penis shoe. Is there a Kobe?

40:09 Marilyn Manson Is there a Carrier?

40:10 Adam Yeah. Jordan has one. Jordan, yeah. All right, we're gonna take ourselves a little bit of a break. Marilyn Manson in studio tonight, and we'll be right back after this.

40:32 Caller This is Love Line on 94.7 NRK.

40:48 Adam I'm Adam. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Marilyn Manson is here. The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD. Sarah Silverman in here tomorrow night from School of Rock.

41:00 Drew Same thing as Marilyn Manson. Same person.

41:03 Adam She's probably filthy.

41:05 Marilyn Manson I saw her at a comedy thing of something. Who's her boyfriend?

41:10 Adam Jimmy Kimmel.

41:12 Marilyn Manson Obviously. I did the Jimmy Kimmel show.

41:14 Adam That's right. I was actually talking to them about you today. And I think they want you to...

41:21 Marilyn Manson I told Monica Lewinsky that I would like to, you know what, on her dress. And she was not happy about it at all. I said it on the air.

41:29 Adam Monica Lewinsky is one of these people. Here's what's going on. And you tell me if you agree or disagree. It seems like a lot of people are arriving in the same destination, which is on camera, money in their pocket, on a network or what have you, selling records, doing something. Some people are there because they paid their dues and other people are there because the president beat off on them. And, but here's the thing, once you're there, they don't seem to know the difference between who got here in legitimate ways. I mean, who came up the hard way, who paid their dues and who happened to be at the right place at the right or wrong time. And that's the reason. And they demand to be treated with the same respect. And I always like when they do this where it's like, yeah, Monica will come on the show, but Monica doesn't want to talk about this and Monica doesn't want to talk about that. That's why the bitch is on the show. That's the only reason she's there in the first place is because she was basically a hamper for Clinton to jizz on.

42:30 Marilyn Manson That element of popular culture is a lot of the inspiration for some of the stuff I'm saying on the record because it's the idea that the danger of art being dead, or just the idea of people being famous for being on a reality show or something like that. It's kind of a culture of voyeurism where we aren't living our lives. We're watching other people live their boring lives.

42:57 Adam More people know who...

42:58 Marilyn Manson I think it's very destructive to the individual soul of mankind.

43:06 Adam Well, it's unfair that more people know the name of Joey Budafuco than Warren Zevon. You know what I'm saying? It's sort of... Back in the day, you would know the name of Joey Budafuco or Monica Lewinsky because they would be in the town square in the stocks and you would be spinning on them as you walked by. That's how you'd know who they were.

43:30 Marilyn Manson I mean, it started with the element which, you know, where Marilyn Manson's derived from that, you know, criminals are deified and made into celebrities. And that kind of started back with like Jesse James. You're a kid and you're like, Jesse James is a hero, but he's like a murderer, you know? And then now it's turned into something worse. It's worse than Andy Warhol's 15 Minutes of Fame. And, you know, and then it goes into another direction with the internet where, you know, everybody's got their own web page and everybody's got their opinion. And it's a strange time we're in where I think that it's, that's why I've kind of really gone over the top and asserted myself to push for more creativity.

44:13 Adam Well, and pretty soon we're gonna have more people on stage than are in the audience. They're never just be shouting over each other.

44:21 Drew Very interesting.

44:22 Adam Thank you, buddy. That was powerful, right? Profound? All right, it could have been the absence talking.

44:29 Drew That's right.

44:29 Adam I took a little tip. It's really nice. It's got a nice Nyquil kind of vibe to it. I didn't put water in it. No, you put water in it?

44:36 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

44:37 Adam Well, I'm a man. I didn't drink it straight.

44:41 Marilyn Manson Moonshine.

44:41 Adam Let's put a little dash in the bottom there.

44:43 Drew It turns white.

44:45 Adam Let's talk to... Thank you. John?

44:49 Caller Yes.

44:50 Adam You're 25?

44:51 Caller That's correct.

44:53 Adam What's up?

44:55 Caller I was calling because I was actually addicted for a while to medicine that I was purchasing over the internet on online pharmacies.

45:02 Drew Uh-huh. From this country or off offshore?

45:05 Caller Some within the states and some from overseas.

45:10 Drew Well, I just put that plea out to see if people were interested in going on Good Morning America and talking about it. Is that something you'd be interested in doing?

45:15 Caller Yeah, I suppose so. All right.

45:17 Drew Why don't you hold on.

45:18 Adam When are you going?

45:19 Drew I'm not necessarily going to do the piece. They'd ask me to put a plea out.

45:22 Adam Why, you're not their bitch.

45:23 Drew Listen, it's an interesting topic. It's an interesting topic. Isn't it interesting?

45:28 Adam It's interesting if you're going on it.

45:30 Drew You know what's interesting? Maybe I will, I don't know, but for God's sakes, here's what's happening to me in my world. All of a sudden, like within two weeks, I run a large addiction recovery program. A lot of my patients, like all of them, are suddenly telling stories and talking about how to get this stuff off the internet like crazy.

45:45 Adam Well, how does it work legally? Because it's out of the country?

45:48 Drew It's like no way they can control for it. It just comes in the mail, boom, there it is, pow.

45:52 Adam It's the same way they control kitty porn, which is they go on the websites, they find out who's distributing it and they bust it.

46:00 Drew I don't think it's against the law.

46:01 Adam Well, it's not against the law. Don't you have to have prescriptions for prescription drugs?

46:06 Drew For pharmacies and drugs in this country, yeah.

46:10 Adam Well, you said a lot of people are getting it from this country too, but Mexico's great.

46:13 Drew The ones that are getting it from this country are doctors that, apparently the doctor calls back or a nurse does and takes the medical history and they go, okay, here's your ambient. Right. So it's a scam.

46:23 Adam Let's get something going for me. What did you draw? Something I have to get on the internet?

46:26 Drew We gotta take a break.

46:27 Adam Oh, we do? All right, Marilyn Manson in studio tonight. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

46:34 Caller All right, guys, here's the deal.

46:35 Look in the hookup, call the Dateline. Sick of wasting time with the wrong person.

46:39 Caller Call the Dateline. One call is all you need to make. Call the Dateline. One, eight, seven, seven, eight, eight, nine, date.

46:46 Caller You know what I'm saying, I'm dead?

46:49 Caller Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back on Loveline.

46:55 Caller Loveline on 947 NRK.

46:58 We'll be right back in a minute.

47:30 Adam Hey, everybody, it's the Loveline. That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LEVE-191, Sarah Silverman from School of Rock in here tomorrow night. Marilyn Manson in here tonight. The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the new CD. Gonna be at the Greek this Friday on the 10th. And I was just thinking about something as I was seeing Manson eat a piece of pizza, which I thought is like, you gotta watch your figure. You know what I mean?

47:58 Marilyn Manson I do.

47:58 Adam You're not like some slob comedian. It's like some got hair all over his back and if he packs on 40 pounds, no one gives an ass. You gotta get out there, you're wearing the corsets and the tight fitting spandex and the form fitting clothes. Yeah, it's like, I was just thinking about it, which is, you know how we sort of feel sorry for women and that they can't get old and they can't get fat? Marilyn, you can't get fat.

48:25 Marilyn Manson No, I have a bit of a kind of complex about that at times.

48:29 Adam You have to, you wear too much time. I mean, I know it sounds maybe marginally insulting, but if you dress like half a chick up on stage, you gotta look right.

48:40 Marilyn Manson Or guys won't wanna have you. I've kind of strangely maintained, I have a real high metabolism, and I don't eat a lot because I forget to eat and stuff. But yeah, I've maintained almost the same kind of steady weight that I have since high school. How old are you?

49:01 Adam That's 34 you said? It's good that you're able to maintain it because there's nothing worse than a guy with a corset and some love handle slopping over the back.

49:09 Marilyn Manson The skinny fat guy.

49:11 Adam Yes, yes.

49:13 Drew We've talked about that before.

49:14 Adam The skinny fat guy, yes. The skinny fat guy.

49:17 Drew He's got the worst of hand of all, I'd say.

49:19 Adam That's right.

49:19 Marilyn Manson You gotta do Pilates.

49:22 Adam This is no calves and a double chin. Yeah. That's what the skinny fat guy is. And like normally, here's what you have to look for.

49:29 Marilyn Manson The beer belly.

49:30 Adam Yeah, for a fat guy. Okay, so you're a fat guy. At least you're gonna have some big calves and some big forearms on you.

49:36 Drew Look like Anderson. If you got fat, he'd just be bigger.

49:39 Adam Yeah, they're guys who just sort of, their parts get bigger as they get bigger. Always hated those guys. And then they're guys who just get the love handles, the double chin and the arms.

49:49 Drew Not even the love, but just like a layer of fat. Right. Yeah, it's just all over them and their fingers.

49:54 Adam Right, you wanna know Skinny Fat Guy? Tim, what's his name from Son of the Beach? The lead from Son of the Beach. You can think of Tim's last name, but he was on the show. He's a skinny fat guy. Yeah, yeah. He's a, it's sort of, another word for Skinny Fat Guy is sort of skinny sloppy.

50:13 Drew Or doughy.

50:14 Adam Yes, you're doughy. It's, you're not exactly fat. You're skinny and soft, which is a bad combo. Now you're like a small car that gets horrible mileage.

50:23 Drew Stop pointing at Marilyn Manson saying you, you, you. One would be.

50:27 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I have a complex.

50:28 Drew He said he's sensitive to this stuff. One is that way.

50:31 Adam No, I have that too. If I put weight on, I put weight on my head and my love handles. And I still got the skinny arms. You know what I'm saying? It's a bad combo.

50:40 Marilyn Manson Been putting it on, my genitals have gotten fatter over this guy.

50:44 Adam My sack, not my penis.

50:46 Drew Yeah, your sack just like...

50:47 Adam The left side of my sack is kinda larger.

50:49 Drew It's like accumulating an anvil in there or something.

50:51 Caller One side.

50:51 Adam How do you know this?

50:53 Caller One side.

50:53 Drew He shows it to you.

50:54 Adam How do you know this?

50:55 Drew We've been traveling a lot now, come on.

50:57 Adam One side of my sack, here's where I put weight on. Love handles, chin, and my left nad. Those are my weight places. All right. I know, you wanna know what's a great, I'll tell you the best combo for putting on weight and putting on size is the Samoans. They pack the weight on, the calves get bigger. They pack the weight on, the forearms get bigger. They just start getting huskier and huskier. You know?

51:22 Marilyn Manson Don't say husky in front of me, you know how I feel about that.

51:24 Adam You don't get run into that. All right, so anyway, you have to keep your girlish figure in order to get in those crazy outfits, right?

51:32 Marilyn Manson I'm doing my best. I like to keep that deathbed look that is he ill.

51:38 Adam Right.

51:38 Marilyn Manson That's my look.

51:39 Adam That's good, well, you need to not go out in the sun too much.

51:42 Marilyn Manson Don't.

51:43 Adam Don't don't exercise.

51:44 Marilyn Manson I exercise.

51:46 Adam Too much.

51:47 Marilyn Manson No, I just.

51:48 Adam Well, you can walk and do some cardio stuff.

51:50 Marilyn Manson I exercise my liver.

51:52 Adam Right, right. Right, and it's important to have sort of a negative attitude. Are you, what about religion? Atheist?

52:03 Marilyn Manson I wouldn't say atheist. I mean, I went to a Christian school as a kid.

52:06 Adam You did?

52:07 Marilyn Manson That traumatized me. I kind of got kicked out because I put a dildo in my Bible teacher's desk because she was real, she was the bane of my existence.

52:18 Adam Were you an extrovert?

52:20 Marilyn Manson No.

52:21 Adam You're withdrawn.

52:21 Marilyn Manson I felt like I did not fit in at all. But I tried to fit in. It was real cult.

52:30 Adam And you grew up?

52:32 Marilyn Manson My parents weren't religious. They just wanted me to get a good education. So they sent me to a private school and spent, you know, they weren't, we were very middle class.

52:41 Adam Your parents were together when you grew up?

52:42 Marilyn Manson My parents are still together.

52:43 Adam Still together? How are they doing with you? Are they cool?

52:46 Marilyn Manson Oh, yeah, very.

52:47 Drew I talked to his dad at like an MTV event.

52:49 Adam Oh, really?

52:50 Drew Where's a lot of leopards can stop.

52:51 Adam Corset?

52:54 Marilyn Manson He's a funny guy.

52:56 Adam Dad's enjoying your, your parents enjoy your success?

52:59 Marilyn Manson Yeah, I just visited my parents in Ohio and my dad introduced me to his new neighbor who offered me marijuana.

53:07 Adam It just arrived in Ohio last week. Yeah. It's like a new invention there.

53:12 Marilyn Manson So where was I?

53:12 Adam Well, no, I'm just interested in your family. What did your dad do for a living or what does he do for a living?

53:17 Marilyn Manson He was a salesman.

53:19 Adam And he was a salesman in Ohio, parents together, brothers and sisters.

53:23 Drew Remember the grandpa.

53:25 Adam Screwy, screwy, cross dressing grandpa, drove a truck. Brother and sister?

53:29 Marilyn Manson No, only child.

53:31 Adam Only child. And, parents sent you to a religious Catholic school in order to get a decent education.

53:38 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

53:39 Adam But you felt weird and out of place.

53:40 Marilyn Manson I got kicked out in 10th grade, purposefully, and I went to public school, which was my dream to, you know, with the rest of the kids in my neighborhood and got my ass kicked repeatedly because I was the kid from Christian school.

53:54 Adam Were you dressing different? Were you looking different?

53:56 Marilyn Manson No. You know, I didn't really have a place to fit in. It wasn't the jocks or the burnouts at the time, that was the term. So you know, I tried to fit in, just did my time. It was like prison.

54:08 Adam So you graduated high school and did what?

54:10 Marilyn Manson Then we moved to Florida. But I started, that's when I started getting into just trying to figure out what it was I was going to believe in. And you know, it was a matter of just, it wasn't school that I learned things from. You know, I'm a very self-taught and just, you know, curiosity led me to a lot of places. So you know, it was just Nietzsche, Satanism, every different thing in the book. And people always misunderstand and think that I hate God or I hate Christianity. I hate the way people use religion to ruin other people's lives and to control people. And you know, for me, if God kind of means creation, you know, that's what it represents. I don't believe there's a God or Satan, either one is ways man has described his personality. But if you're an artist or if you do things, even if people don't like them and you create, that's religion for me. So doing what I do is my definition of religion.

55:12 Adam And sucking the occasional toe.

55:14 Caller Yeah.

55:15 Marilyn Manson Well, that's, that's ritual.

55:17 Adam Josh?

55:18 Caller Yes, sir.

55:19 Adam You're twenty one?

55:20 Caller Yes. I actually just got a question for Marilyn Manson. And first of all, I want to say that Adam and Drew, I respect you both very much.

55:29 Adam Thanks.

55:30 Marilyn Manson However, but he has no respect for me.

55:33 Caller Oh, no, no, no, I have. I think you're a brilliant artist.

55:38 Marilyn Manson Thanks.

55:39 Caller Definitely. And what, what would you most like people to get out of your music?

55:47 Marilyn Manson Well, that's a, you know, the something that people have asked me from the beginning. And I've come to realize that you can't misunderstand what I do because I want everyone to understand it differently.

56:02 Adam And so there's no misunderstanding.

56:05 Marilyn Manson If everyone perceived it in the same way, then it wouldn't, it would be boring to me. I mean, being Marilyn Manson, being who I am and doing what I do, it's meant to be abstract in a way because it's always evolving with my personality because it's a reflection of me as a human, you know, and everybody changes as you go along.

56:25 Adam And if you weren't pissing off a certain percentage of society or offending a certain percentage of society, would you up the ante? Would you feel like you weren't doing enough?

56:38 Marilyn Manson Well, no, it's not. I mean, that's not the goal. But I mean, that's the end result. That's important that if everyone liked what you did, then it would be worthless.

56:48 Drew Is is offensiveness what you're going for?

56:50 Marilyn Manson No, I think it's provocative is what I'm going for. And it's it's I if what I'd want people to take from it is that they took anything from it that they thought. And if you the way I look at it is what I do is a question mark and I want people to find the answers for themselves. And everybody wants artists to give them the answers. And when they don't, that's when they start, you know, blurring the lines. And that's why I get blamed for the things I get blamed for, because I don't sit there and say, no, it's just for show. No, it's it means this. No, it means that.

57:25 Adam Right.

57:26 Marilyn Manson Because there's no point in that. I explain myself by what I create. Why should I explain my creations?

57:32 Adam Oh, no, I know. I'm that way. When I when I break gas, like at the writers meeting at Kimmel, it's like it means different things to different people at the table. For some, it's it's a windfall.

57:42 Drew But you have an intention. Be clear here.

57:44 Adam I don't know, Drew. You see, as a Fartist, I really feel like a Fartist. As a Fartist.

57:52 Marilyn Manson I said that art is one letter away from fart. But let's know if you take anything from it, even if you hate it, that's the job accomplished.

58:02 Drew But you're trying to create it. You're not trying to create rapture. You're trying to create sort of an unsettled feeling.

58:08 Marilyn Manson It's chaos. It's inserting chaos. But if you make something, it's not complete until somebody else does something with it or experiences it. Otherwise, it's like the tree falling in the forest. No one's listening.

58:20 Adam Mike?

58:21 Yes.

58:22 Adam You're 20?

58:23 Caller Yes, correct.

58:24 Marilyn Manson What's up?

58:25 Caller Alright. So there's this girl I met at work and she likes me. The only problem is that I'm a homosexual. She knows that I'm gay, but she didn't find out until actually about a month ago. And she thinks it's okay, but she still has this fixation with me.

58:43 Drew That she wants to be your girlfriend or wants to have sex with you or just wants to be your friend?

58:48 Caller She wants to be my girlfriend.

58:49 Drew And you've said no to her?

58:51 Caller Correct. I told her. I've been telling her, trying to tell her.

58:56 Adam Are you doing anything with her?

58:58 Caller No, I have never done anything with her.

58:59 Adam How about throwing her something? You close your eyes, pretend it was a dude.

59:03 Marilyn Manson What's a describer?

59:05 Adam Yeah, is she hot?

59:06 Caller She's very good looking. She's a beautiful girl. But I've tried to tell her and it's not going through to her that I don't like her that way. I do have feelings for her. That's how it all started. But I don't think I could see her dating her.

59:21 Adam You do have feelings for her?

59:23 Caller I do have feelings for her.

59:25 Adam What do you mean you have feelings for her? You're gay.

59:27 Caller I know, exactly. I'm attracted to her and I know I don't want anything sexual from her. And I've tried to tell her that she's a virgin and so even if I did do anything, I wouldn't want to because of that.

59:40 Adam This is a diabolical way to get young stupid chicks to be attracted to you, by the way. Just explain to them that you have feelings for them but it's not a sexual feeling. Although I find you attractive. I'm not attracted to you.

59:52 Drew And shut the door with gay.

59:54 Adam Their clitoris would explode. Yeah.

59:57 Marilyn Manson And you'd never mess with a virgin.

1:00:00 Adam All right, Mike, I don't understand what your question is. So who cares? Tell her to get lost. That's it.

1:00:06 Marilyn Manson Cuddling.

1:00:07 Adam What do you want us to say?

1:00:08 Caller I don't know. I just don't know how to explain to her. Like, how do I tell her?

1:00:13 Marilyn Manson Listen, well, here's the thing. If you got any other guy friends that aren't gay, the fact that you are not going to steal her virginity is almost a crime in itself.

1:00:25 Adam Yeah.

1:00:26 Drew So all your other male friends will kick your ass?

1:00:28 Marilyn Manson They're going to be very upset.

1:00:30 Adam Maybe he could...

1:00:31 Drew No, no, no, stop it.

1:00:32 Adam All right. All right, Mike. That's it. I'll tell you what you should do. Let her catch you blowing a guy. Or corn hauling, actually, because that'll gross her out and that'll be it. Chicks can't picture that. And if they do, it freaks them out.

1:00:46 Drew Can you just show his porn collection?

1:00:47 Adam Remember once in a while. Marilyn, you ever been with a guy?

1:00:50 Marilyn Manson In what way?

1:00:52 Adam Sexually.

1:00:54 Marilyn Manson Not in a literal way. In a comical way.

1:00:59 Adam Comical way.

1:01:00 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

1:01:00 Drew Like an artistic experiential.

1:01:02 Marilyn Manson No, no, just... I'll do anything that you can't meddle with me kind of way.

1:01:10 Adam Oh, I see.

1:01:12 Marilyn Manson I'm not embarrassed about anything and I'm confident enough with my sexuality to put a limp penis with a condom on it in my mouth.

1:01:19 Drew How does your mom feel about your artistic expression?

1:01:23 Marilyn Manson Was she had a stroke yet?

1:01:25 Adam It was more just a bet.

1:01:27 Drew I'm just thinking of mom, poor mom.

1:01:29 Adam What about poor mom? The guy's making millions of dollars a year. She's probably bought a Mercedes by now.

1:01:34 Marilyn Manson She's alright with everything that I do actually. Because my mom loved Elvis as a kid. They almost named me Elvis. And she, you know, this is her way of vicariously getting me on Elvis.

1:01:47 Adam Do you throw them a few bucks?

1:01:49 Marilyn Manson Oh, I support my parents because they're both retired but not any kind of pension so I take care of my parents.

1:01:54 Adam Yeah, well there you go. What are they going to do? Kill the goose that lays that sucks a golden egg? What are you going to do? And listen, I'm not so sure the limp penis with the condom in the mouth is gay.

1:02:07 Marilyn Manson As long as I don't get an erection, I'm straight. There's rules. I put them in my book.

1:02:11 Adam Right, right.

1:02:12 Marilyn Manson If you get sperm on you, you're screwed for life.

1:02:17 Drew It's like the wicked witch with water. You turn into something.

1:02:20 Marilyn Manson I mean screwed in the sense that you're going to be gay. I'm going to do that disclaimer. It's okay if you're gay. I hate when people do that on your show. It's okay if you're gay. I don't care if someone's gay. But everyone always does that disclaimer. Which one? Where they say, well, it doesn't matter if you're gay. Or they're doing that PC thing. I hate that PC thing. Everyone knows if you've had a limp penis with a condom on it, you don't care if someone's gay. So I don't have to do a disclaimer.

1:02:54 Adam Right. But by the way, that is not gay.

1:02:57 Marilyn Manson No, it's not gay at all.

1:02:58 Adam But the penis is limp, Drew.

1:03:00 Drew I'm taking notes.

1:03:01 Adam Now what about a sack in a Ziploc bag?

1:03:06 Marilyn Manson No sacks.

1:03:07 Drew What do you mean, sack in a Ziploc bag?

1:03:09 Adam If I took my sack and put it in a Ziploc bag and Manson put it in his mouth, would that be gay? I don't think that'd be gay. Now for me, it wouldn't.

1:03:17 Drew It's a little bit weird.

1:03:19 Marilyn Manson I'm not going to put a sack in my mouth. I don't even like to acknowledge my own testicles. Yeah.

1:03:25 Adam Sack, gayer than a limp penis in the mouth?

1:03:28 Caller Yeah.

1:03:28 Adam See, but to me, more novel.

1:03:30 Drew It's more intimate.

1:03:31 Marilyn Manson It's more intimate.

1:03:32 Caller Yeah.

1:03:32 Adam More intimate.

1:03:34 Drew It's a weird impulse for a straight guy. You know what I mean?

1:03:37 Adam I'm just saying I think the penis, gayer, because that's...

1:03:41 Drew The instrument.

1:03:42 Adam Yeah, that's the instrument. You know what I'm saying?

1:03:43 Drew That's the commitment.

1:03:45 Adam Hey, I'm a sack guy, so shoot me. Let's talk to... Who are we going to talk to, Drew? Hey, Aspen. Hey. Hey, you're 14. What's up?

1:04:00 Caller First off, I want to say Marilyn Manson. Wow, you're anti-Christ.

1:04:04 Caller Album, muy sexy.

1:04:07 Caller Love it. And also, you may or may not remember me, but I called a year ago with that abnormally high sex drive thing.

1:04:17 Drew You're talking to us?

1:04:18 Adam Yeah.

1:04:19 Caller So do you?

1:04:20 Adam Manson.

1:04:21 Drew No.

1:04:21 Marilyn Manson I would have remembered it.

1:04:23 Drew We have calls like that pretty frequently, Aspen. So go ahead. What's the issue?

1:04:26 Marilyn Manson Thank you, by the way.

1:04:29 Yes.

1:04:30 Drew Go ahead.

1:04:31 Caller Go ahead.

1:04:31 Okay.

1:04:33 Caller And I have no sex drive.

1:04:35 Drew You know what? I do remember you. You were worried that because you were preoccupied, I strangely remember this call. You were completely preoccupied about sex all the time and you thought that was weird and there was something wrong with you.

1:04:46 Exactly.

1:04:46 Caller Right.

1:04:47 Marilyn Manson Did I drive you to it in any way?

1:04:49 Drew And what?

1:04:49 It was a mason jar call, you know?

1:04:52 Marilyn Manson Did I drive you to it in any way?

1:04:55 Caller You?

1:04:56 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

1:04:57 Mr. Manson? Yeah. I've never actually seen you.

1:05:01 Caller I just really like your music.

1:05:04 Marilyn Manson I was just kidding.

1:05:05 Caller And me being Christian, I support you in all. You know, it doesn't matter.

1:05:08 Adam Sure.

1:05:08 Marilyn Manson Oh, good. Thank you.

1:05:10 Adam What? It was a mace ass mason jar call?

1:05:13 Drew It was a bogus call.

1:05:14 Adam That's basically code for bogus. Where you are in the call. Ass the size of a mason jar.

1:05:20 Drew So I'm not remembering the call.

1:05:22 Adam Well, good times. Let's talk to Melissa at 16. Melissa? What's up?

1:05:28 Caller Well, my boyfriend and me have been dating for like four months now. And me and him are like really cool and everything. Like we talk all the time.

1:05:40 Drew Where?

1:05:41 Caller Like on my arms or on my shoulder.

1:05:44 Drew Does he draw blood?

1:05:48 Adam In class?

1:05:49 Marilyn Manson I have. It's the same problem. I like to, but I'm unconscious of it and I don't know if it's like absinthe related. But my girlfriend has told me that I've been in the middle of the night just savagely bit bit, like, but on the back, like, just, but not like vampire Dracula nonsense.

1:06:08 Drew I've only seen that.

1:06:09 Marilyn Manson Just like a weird look.

1:06:10 Drew My patients have done that when they've been manic. You ever get real manic, you don't sleep at all and you're hyperverbal and.

1:06:16 Marilyn Manson Yeah, all this every day.

1:06:18 Drew Really? But there appears to be really get into that mode where you're way, way out.

1:06:22 Marilyn Manson It's just weird because I have, I've always been like that. I used to bite my own hand.

1:06:28 Drew Well, that's that biting is a form of aggression. It's just, it's an expression, it's a very, very aggressive expression in an oral aggressive impulse.

1:06:35 Marilyn Manson Is it just being funny? Your boyfriend?

1:06:38 Caller I don't know, because the thing is, I was playing around with him one time and I bit him and he bit me back and since then he's been biting me. But the thing is, he bit me once on my hand and he actually left me a scar there and I had a bruise and they didn't go away for like a month and a half.

1:06:55 Drew This is a very, very aggressive impulse on his part.

1:06:58 Adam Once you spray some apple bitters on you, you get the message. Treat yourself like a pet who's chewing his own ass.

1:07:06 Marilyn Manson Wear a garlic necklace.

1:07:07 Drew I'm interested in your biting thing because I've only seen a couple of cases that I'm not sure that my sort of impressions are accurate, but were you really sort of super manic and that it was at a time when you were ultra sped up and not sleeping and that kind of stuff?

1:07:20 Marilyn Manson No, I don't know. It was just like something like sleepwalking.

1:07:24 Drew No, I know. I absolutely understand what you're saying, but the only times I've seen it, well the pattern I've seen is when people are in sort of a manic phase. They're like working excessively.

1:07:32 Marilyn Manson Yeah. I mean I'm always, I'm always, I mean there's not a time when I'm not working.

1:07:37 Drew But was this an extra high phase? You remember?

1:07:39 Marilyn Manson I'm not sure. It's kind of constant. I mean I just, but it's not, it's not violent. No, no. It's not like pain.

1:07:47 Drew Well, it's aggressive.

1:07:48 Marilyn Manson Like I don't bite real hard.

1:07:50 Drew Right. You don't mean to harm kind of thing, but it's just a sort of out, sort of aggressive outburst.

1:07:54 Adam But it wasn't during the time the limp penis with the condom was in your mouth.

1:07:58 Drew Well, that's what he's worried about.

1:07:59 Marilyn Manson That would have been the second time.

1:08:01 Adam Yeah, yeah.

1:08:01 Marilyn Manson But I've, yeah, I've like bitten my friends too.

1:08:05 Drew My brush.

1:08:06 Adam Good times.

1:08:07 Marilyn Manson On stage.

1:08:08 Adam Let's take ourselves a little break. And Marilyn Manson's in studio. We'll hear something else off the Golden Age of Grotesque. He's going to be at the Greek Theatre on the 10th coming up this Friday. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.

1:08:29 Caller The most trusted for over 80 years. Loveline on 947 and RK.

1:08:49 Adam Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191, Marilyn Manson in the studio tonight. The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD. We're going to hear another song off of that. Just talking to Marilyn about self-mutilation during the break. Hey, good times, you know. Marilyn, but you don't do it anymore.

1:09:07 Marilyn Manson No, I don't really know what stopped it, but it was just a strange time. And it was definitely not something for entertainment that I was trying to entertain people with.

1:09:19 Adam When did you start doing it? Cutting on yourself, in other words.

1:09:26 Marilyn Manson I used to do it when I was in high school, and that's why I got tattoos in part of my arms because I had a bunch of scars.

1:09:33 Drew Were you dissociating then the way you would on stage?

1:09:37 Marilyn Manson No.

1:09:37 Drew Or were you trying to get a feeling from it?

1:09:39 Marilyn Manson I think I was trying to get a feeling from it then, but on stage I never felt it until later when I would wake up in the middle of the night in some really bad holiday inn stuck to the bedsheets covered in blood. It was really, it was, the difference between my personality now and then is I was very nihilistic. I wanted things to come to an end, but now I have still not an optimistic outlook. It's like things are going to end, so let's make today as great as it can be.

1:10:07 Drew Things for you or for society?

1:10:10 Marilyn Manson More for me, because I used to kind of project my existence on the rest of the world in some ways. And now it's destructive, but it's more of celebration of let's make today as great as it can be.

1:10:28 Drew Do you have any idea what turned it around?

1:10:31 Marilyn Manson Maybe it was just changing people around me in my life. You know, when I changed, you know, I've changed a lot of things in my life. I've changed, you know, relationships in my band, in my personal life.

1:10:45 Adam Well, how many years did you have of self-mutilation?

1:10:50 Marilyn Manson I'm gonna guess like maybe six or seven.

1:10:53 Adam Drew, what?

1:10:54 Marilyn Manson Maybe I just ran out of space.

1:10:55 Adam I mean, don't you just-

1:10:56 Marilyn Manson Because I'm covered in scars.

1:10:57 Adam As you get older, you do a little less effing and a little less fighting and a little less slashing on yourself.

1:11:02 Drew Well, aggressive impulses diminish.

1:11:05 Marilyn Manson Yeah, it wasn't that kind of thing because then I got into a really awful relationship a couple years back and I drank a lot too much in a very destructive way.

1:11:18 Drew Were you cutting then too or then?

1:11:20 Marilyn Manson No, but I might as well have been because I was just killing myself.

1:11:25 Drew You're kind of describing these sort of manic episodes and in a manic episode, people will do these very impulsive things and sort of part of the whole manic outburst and cutting can be one of those things.

1:11:34 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

1:11:35 Drew And people don't feel it.

1:11:36 Adam Hey, but good times.

1:11:37 Marilyn Manson You know, a lot of my fans ask me about that or I see that a lot and I've never wanted people to imitate that or idolize it. But I definitely can relate to them on that and if it's any kind of hopeful comment that it can.

1:11:56 Drew If I could offer a couple of explanations on why people do that and whether or not you did it this reason or not. One is people are in a lot of emotional distress and sort of have nothing else at their disposal to help them regulate their feelings. And this gives them something. It's sort of a desperate attempt to try to feel better. Sometimes it's a dissociative episode where they're sort of in this sort of fugue state and as part of it kind of an aggressive self-mutilation sort of impulse takes over, sort of self-aggression. And as I said, it can be also part of a whole manic outburst where you're just ripping everything apart and power comes.

1:12:26 Adam Well, it's also hurting yourself before someone hurts you, right? I mean, it'll oversimplify it, but I mean if there's abuse in the past, don't people?

1:12:35 Drew They don't say that though.

1:12:37 Adam Who does the cutting on themselves?

1:12:38 Drew It's usually people that have dissociative kinds of experiences.

1:12:42 Adam But not people that were abused physically, sexually or whatever.

1:12:46 Drew No specific pattern.

1:12:47 Marilyn Manson No, I think the dissociative makes sense to me.

1:12:50 Adam Sherry?

1:12:51 Caller Yeah?

1:12:52 Adam What's up? You're 18.

1:12:54 Caller Yeah. I don't know. I've been kind of getting into stuff that I shouldn't really do, I guess. I don't know. And I was just wondering, is it considered adultery if you have a threesome with a married couple or something like that?

1:13:11 Adam Only if you go down on the dude, right? Only if you go down on the dude? Manson is that what we're talking about?

1:13:17 Marilyn Manson Well, adultery, you have to be married to commit adultery, right?

1:13:23 Drew She wants to be in with a married couple.

1:13:24 Marilyn Manson It might be adultery for them.

1:13:25 Drew Yeah, it's them. You're participating in an adulterous act. We're betting on this one.

1:13:29 Adam All right. You have any money, Manson? You got a buck? We're betting on her past. What do you got? You got anything good over there? I got nothing.

1:13:38 Marilyn Manson You got nothing?

1:13:40 Adam I got five bucks. All right, Drew, he'll put a cap of absinthe on there.

1:13:45 Caller All right.

1:13:47 Marilyn Manson How old are they?

1:13:48 Caller They're about 23, 24.

1:13:52 Marilyn Manson How do you know them?

1:13:53 Caller Because I met them at a porn shop.

1:13:56 Drew Uh-huh.

1:13:57 Adam All right, hold on a second. All right, so here's how we do it on this show. We gamble on Sherry's past. You've heard it. You've caught this. All right. Drew, you want to go first? Is that...

1:14:09 Marilyn Manson Well, my thought always when I hear that... And there was one time I got mad at you because of some goth kid. And you were like, you've instantly... No, but you always ask immediately about the abuse in the past. But it's just that's...

1:14:26 Drew The pattern.

1:14:27 Marilyn Manson It's pattern, okay? I was just curious.

1:14:29 Drew And how they sound because we listen to voices online and then what they evoke in us, what we feel from talking to them for a couple of minutes.

1:14:37 Marilyn Manson See, you didn't ask me, though.

1:14:39 Drew Ask you what?

1:14:40 Marilyn Manson About that.

1:14:41 Drew About abuse?

1:14:43 Marilyn Manson Because there was a...

1:14:44 Adam He assumes you're... he assumes you're abused. He just didn't want to make you uncomfortable.

1:14:48 Drew Right. You mentioned some things about your day at Grandad.

1:14:51 Marilyn Manson It was...

1:14:51 Drew I know, but enough that I didn't want to expose you.

1:14:54 Adam What about it?

1:14:55 Marilyn Manson No, I wrote about it in my book.

1:14:57 Adam It's in the book. You can talk about it.

1:14:58 Drew What happened?

1:14:59 Marilyn Manson No, it was my neighbor, this older kid that wanted to play naked games.

1:15:06 Adam How old were you?

1:15:08 Marilyn Manson I don't remember.

1:15:12 Adam How big an impact?

1:15:13 Marilyn Manson He killed my dog.

1:15:14 Adam He killed your dog?

1:15:15 Marilyn Manson Yeah, because I told my parents and he poisoned my dog.

1:15:19 Adam Do you know he did that? Did he admit it?

1:15:21 Marilyn Manson No, but the dog was poisoned.

1:15:23 Drew Where is this guy now? In jail?

1:15:25 Marilyn Manson No, no, I mean, it wasn't like something we could prove.

1:15:28 Drew No, no, but that combination of behaviors...

1:15:33 Marilyn Manson I've never thought about it since then.

1:15:36 Adam It could be a publicist. It's possible.

1:15:38 Drew That combination of behaviors is a bad sign. Killing the animal.

1:15:43 Marilyn Manson No, no, he was a real Jeffrey Dahmer style, like poking his dog in the ass with a stick and stuff like that.

1:15:50 Adam I know, I was wondering how the parents missed the part where the kid is torturing animals.

1:15:55 Drew They're busy sexually abusing the kids.

1:15:57 Adam Okay, well, they're busy. They have an excuse. Okay, they're booked. All right, so you would say that you were sexually abused?

1:16:05 Marilyn Manson Well, it wasn't anything sexual as much as it was naked. It was just not good and I didn't like it. I told my parents.

1:16:17 Adam Let's see, the fact that you told your parents meant you were probably pretty healthy and your family was pretty healthy.

1:16:23 Drew Not so much of a victim.

1:16:24 Marilyn Manson Yeah.

1:16:25 Adam All right, so now let's get back to the gambling with Sherry.

1:16:29 Drew Let's hear her voice again.

1:16:31 Adam All right, I didn't get that much off her voice. Sherry?

1:16:36 Drew What are you doing for a living now?

1:16:39 Caller What do I do for a living now? I work at Rite Aid and I work at a bowling alley and I'm kind of getting into porn.

1:16:45 Drew But I don't know if I can do it.

1:16:47 Marilyn Manson Are you going to do porn?

1:16:50 Drew I was definitely getting stripper from her.

1:16:51 Adam Rite Aid, bowling alley and porn, that is range. I mean career wise, you got to take your hand off.

1:16:56 Marilyn Manson Bowling for concubines.

1:16:57 Adam You got to take your hand off.

1:16:58 Drew That is her first role.

1:16:59 Adam Take your hand off.

1:17:00 Marilyn Manson There's three holes in a bowling ball.

1:17:02 Adam All right, Drew, you go first.

1:17:04 Drew I get deprivation and chaos both. And so...

1:17:07 Adam What do you mean by deprivation?

1:17:09 Drew Like no one was around to raise her early. And when they were, it was chaos. Like lots of drug addicts around her kind of thing.

1:17:18 Adam All right, Manson, you want to go?

1:17:20 Marilyn Manson No, I was just going to correct him and say rear. I learned in the two months I went to community college that you use rear children, you raise vegetables.

1:17:30 Adam All right.

1:17:31 Marilyn Manson I'm not correcting you.

1:17:32 Drew And with a spattering of sexual abuse in there, something. Well, come on. Here's what I'm getting is that she had to take care of everybody. She had to keep everything under control.

1:17:40 Adam I know, but everybody.

1:17:41 Marilyn Manson I have a hard time understanding the calls when they come in if they're real or if they're not.

1:17:45 Drew This is real.

1:17:46 Marilyn Manson This is real.

1:17:46 Drew You can feel it, can't you?

1:17:48 Marilyn Manson Yeah, it's just hard to. You guys have a hard job.

1:17:50 Adam None of this ambiguous crap where you then get it out of them like the Gestapo later on where you go, yeah, but didn't sometimes you take care of your mom and they go, well, I guess kind of, and you go, aha.

1:18:01 Drew Just lots of drug addicts in the home when they were there. Most of the time, nobody was there.

1:18:05 Adam All right. Manson, you have a guess?

1:18:09 Marilyn Manson No, I don't.

1:18:10 Adam You have to have one.

1:18:10 Marilyn Manson I'm confused. I say don't get it on with a married couple.

1:18:15 Adam Yeah, but we're gambling on her past.

1:18:17 Drew What was her environment like? Just based on how she made us feel when her voice sounded like.

1:18:22 Marilyn Manson I don't know. She seemed real positive.

1:18:26 Adam No. Was it fake? I'll tell you what you can go with. You can go for had a good family because therefore sometimes you win just because they don't admit anything.

1:18:37 Marilyn Manson I'm not good at this.

1:18:38 Adam I'll go second. I'm going with just sexual abuse. Stepdad. Stepdad sexual abuse.

1:18:45 Drew Good bet. All right.

1:18:46 Adam Manson.

1:18:47 Drew Neighbor?

1:18:48 Adam Just go with physical abuse. It's a layup.

1:18:51 Marilyn Manson I'll go with stepdad.

1:18:53 Adam Physical abuse. Stepdad.

1:18:55 Marilyn Manson I'm backing you.

1:18:56 Adam No, but you can't. That's mine.

1:18:57 Marilyn Manson I got to pick my own.

1:18:58 Adam You can't put your chip on top of my chip. That's my hand I'm playing.

1:19:03 Marilyn Manson I'm going to say priest.

1:19:06 Drew Priest. Novel. Create it. Nice.

1:19:09 Adam All right. He's playing a long shot there, but I like that. Sherry?

1:19:14 Caller Yeah.

1:19:15 Adam Let's talk about your past.

1:19:16 Caller My past.

1:19:18 Adam Yeah. Your parents.

1:19:19 Drew What your family of origin was like.

1:19:20 Adam Yeah.

1:19:21 Drew If there was one.

1:19:22 Caller Oh, my parents, they're all right. My dad lives in Montana. My mom, she's married with my stepdad in Apple Valley. And we're Mormon.

1:19:30 Adam Or molestation.

1:19:31 Caller And what?

1:19:32 Caller Priest.

1:19:33 Caller See?

1:19:33 Adam You're Mormon.

1:19:34 Marilyn Manson I win.

1:19:35 Adam Mormon. Now hold on a second. Any...

1:19:37 Drew Now we're confused.

1:19:38 Adam Any physical or sexual abuse?

1:19:41 Marilyn Manson Donny Oswalt?

1:19:41 Adam No. Come on, baby. Please.

1:19:44 Drew Never?

1:19:45 Marilyn Manson Never?

1:19:47 Drew How old were you when your dad left?

1:19:50 Caller It was sort of my mom leaving. Why did she leave? Because they didn't get along at all. My dad was mean to her.

1:19:57 Drew Did he beat her or something?

1:19:59 Caller Oh, yeah.

1:20:00 Drew So there was a lot of chaos in the home.

1:20:02 Caller Yeah. I guess. I was asleep most of the time.

1:20:05 Drew Yeah. Sherry, you didn't have any awareness that your mom was being beaten by your dad?

1:20:10 Adam I knew.

1:20:11 Caller I just didn't care.

1:20:13 Drew Sherry, it's impossible that you didn't care. The fact that you shut down and suppressed your feelings, I understand.

1:20:19 Adam Right.

1:20:20 Drew But it's impossible you not to have been bothered by that. It's impossible.

1:20:23 Adam No.

1:20:23 Drew Okay. And was your dad drinking?

1:20:26 Caller No, my dad didn't drink. My parents were tweakers, though.

1:20:29 Drew Tweakers. Both addicts.

1:20:32 Adam Drew got the chaos. They got the addict.

1:20:35 Drew Now, I'm also, I feel like I...

1:20:37 Adam Keep going. You're in a role.

1:20:39 Marilyn Manson Speed freaks and Mormons?

1:20:40 Adam Yeah.

1:20:41 Drew It's a good comment. No, no, no.

1:20:42 Caller Okay, okay. I want to straighten this out just a little bit because it's kind of, I hopped around. I do that a lot. My parents, they married, my mom and my dad, they married, had three kids and then they were kind of, you know, on the crazy side and then they got divorced and my mom married my stepdad.

1:21:00 Drew Your biological parents were tweakers?

1:21:02 Caller Yeah.

1:21:03 Drew They were speed addicts.

1:21:04 Caller I guess. I don't know what they did. I don't care.

1:21:08 Drew Yeah. Sherry, this whole not caring stuff, that's so much BS. That's the point you got to drop, okay?

1:21:14 Caller I'll drop that for you.

1:21:15 Drew Thank you. I'm not tripping. I just like to talk to the real person here, not the person that's pretending to be something that she's not. Well, anyway. And I know that that false self we're talking to is always happy and whatever and yeah. That's the one that wants to go into porn.

1:21:33 Adam Yeah.

1:21:34 Drew Because you're disconnected from the real feelings.

1:21:35 Adam That's the one I'm going to beat off to.

1:21:37 Caller No, no, no, no. Because like it's a lot of money.

1:21:40 Drew I know. I know that's on the surface the reason. But the disconnect from the real self is really the problem here. Well, all right. So they're both you're both parents were speed addicts and there was violence, which is part of being a speed addict. And then you've mom found another man. What happened with that?

1:21:53 Caller He's really cool. I love them.

1:21:55 Drew And so that's been more settled.

1:21:57 Caller Yeah.

1:21:58 Drew I get the sense though that you early on when your parents were tweakers, even before they started getting all the violence stuff, they left you alone a lot.

1:22:09 Adam Watching you?

1:22:10 Caller It was sort of a shift thing.

1:22:13 Marilyn Manson A duty?

1:22:13 Adam Well, listen, Drew, you won the bet. And when did you lose your virginity?

1:22:18 Caller I lost it in January.

1:22:22 Adam January of 93?

1:22:24 Caller January of 2003.

1:22:27 Adam Really?

1:22:28 Drew I didn't get the sexual abuse partner.

1:22:30 Adam I know. But you took all the drugs and the physical abuse and the chaos. What was I left with? I had nothing to work with.

1:22:36 Marilyn Manson Don't forget the Mormons.

1:22:37 Adam And the Mormons.

1:22:38 Marilyn Manson Because I said priest.

1:22:39 Adam But you said a priest molester though. And that didn't happen.

1:22:43 Marilyn Manson No, I didn't say molester, but I just threw the priest in there.

1:22:49 Drew Listen, you're going to have to deal more realistically with the baggage you carry around from this very chaotic and disturbing past. And it's not...

1:22:59 Adam I don't see you're doing that.

1:23:00 Drew That happy face you put on is so far away from some of your real friends.

1:23:04 Adam And listen...

1:23:04 Drew It's going to come back again.

1:23:05 Adam But here's the thing, too. You're a cute girl, right, Sherry? And you're 18. Uh-huh. And you're in demand. And you know it. And you never have to get right. You can be an F-Up for another 15 years and then you've got to get right. But by then, you've had a horrible 15 years even though you thought it was going to be good. Guys paying attention to you. People want to pay you money so you can have sex and they can film it. You can do that. But it's a bad road.

1:23:32 Caller Well, it's not that I want to do it like, you know, it's something that... It's just something to do right now so that way I can, like, think about what I want to do later on.

1:23:39 Marilyn Manson You don't recover from porn.

1:23:41 Drew Yeah. Here, she heard... She heard none of what you said. Nothing.

1:23:44 Adam Sherry, just do what you got to do. Don't get pregnant. Please. I don't want you effing up any more kids, all right?

1:23:48 Caller Safe sex or no sex. Don't even trip.

1:23:50 Adam All right. What'd you say? Safe sex or no sex?

1:23:55 Drew We're not tripping, Sherry.

1:23:57 Adam All right. Let's see. We run into this every night, which is, if she's cute and she's 18-

1:24:05 Drew Got a vagina.

1:24:05 Adam And she's got a vagina, and she doesn't even really need a vagina.

1:24:09 Marilyn Manson That's a very aggressive word.

1:24:11 Adam Vagina?

1:24:11 Drew It's part of her body.

1:24:14 Adam If she's got all those things, she's not going to get any help. I mean, society won't lead her to help. She doesn't have them.

1:24:22 Drew She has too many gratifying alternatives that make her feel good in the moment, that keep her away from these very painful things that she's carrying on.

1:24:30 Marilyn Manson Because of the show Extreme Dating with Julianne Barber.

1:24:32 Adam Right.

1:24:33 Drew Julianne's got a little history.

1:24:34 Marilyn Manson We're not going to talk about that.

1:24:35 Adam All Manson had was like a broken bottle in a black and white TV set, so he had to create And a cross-dressing grandfather. Right. Oh my God. I couldn't imagine that.

1:24:47 Drew I have an impulse to cut right now.

1:24:49 Adam All right. I do too, but it's wind, it's not my skin. We're going to take a quick break. Marilyn Manson in studio tonight. We'll be right back after this.

1:25:00 Caller Loveline. Loveline. Loveline. Loveline.

1:25:26 Adam There, buddy, it's Loveline. Drew is not gonna rap along with this song, or is he? Here he is.

1:25:32 Drew Who's my kisser?

1:25:33 Adam Yeah.

1:25:34 Caller My kisser, I see.

1:25:35 Adam That's right.

1:25:36 Drew Who's my kisser? It's a kisser. It's always like my Zoom. My, feels like my Zoom.

1:25:43 Marilyn Manson You got a future.

1:25:44 Drew I'm telling you.

1:25:45 Adam Yeah. You got a future, buddy.

1:25:48 Marilyn Manson Dr. Drew, you've already got like the rap name. That's like one letter off of Dr. Dre.

1:25:55 Adam Marilyn Manson is in the studio tonight. The Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD. We have a song to play that we've been so-

1:26:03 Marilyn Manson Which one has been authorized?

1:26:04 Adam When Falling in Love, Ain't.

1:26:06 Marilyn Manson Ain't. Hold the S because I'm an ain't.

1:26:09 Drew Let's do it.

1:26:10 Adam All right. Let's hear it. You want to take a call and then hear it? No, let's do it. Let's hear it and then we'll take some calls. All right. Here you go.

1:26:15 Marilyn Manson This is an emotional relationship song. With the sarcastic...

1:29:56 Adam That is Marilyn Manson, the Golden Age of Grotesque is the name of the CD. Out is We Speak. He's going to be at the Greek Theater coming up this Friday with plenty of theatrics. Let's see if we can squeeze in a couple more calls before we hit the brakes.

1:30:15 Marilyn Manson All right.

1:30:15 Adam Tori. You're 20? What's up?

1:30:19 Caller First of all, I want to say Marilyn Manson, you're just the best ever.

1:30:22 Marilyn Manson Thank you. That's very sweet.

1:30:25 Caller Yeah. My question is, I've been with my boyfriend for almost a year now and things have just gone really bad between us and just the romances died and I want to know if you had any suggestions of how we can pick something up.

1:30:40 Drew What's the problem in the relationship?

1:30:41 Marilyn Manson Whose end of the romance is dead? Yours or his?

1:30:44 Caller I guess it's a little on both of our parts.

1:30:48 Drew Why? What's happening?

1:30:50 Caller He works nights and I work during the day. So we don't spend much time together.

1:30:55 Drew Do you live together?

1:30:56 Caller No.

1:30:58 Adam Yeah, this thing's run its course.

1:30:59 Drew Yeah, why don't you just kind of let it go?

1:31:00 Caller Well, it's really hard because we start fighting a lot lately and I don't know.

1:31:05 Drew Yeah, why let that go?

1:31:07 Adam I mean, I could walk away from all that fighting.

1:31:09 Marilyn Manson Let me give some advice. When at that point in your life and I've been there, when you have one of your first serious relationships, it seems really, really difficult to break it off, even if you don't want it anymore.

1:31:27 Drew They don't know when it's over?

1:31:28 Marilyn Manson It's a security, it's a fear. And if you're not in love with them anymore, then...

1:31:37 Drew It's almost a skill. They don't know when it's over and they don't know how to end.

1:31:40 Marilyn Manson Yeah, because you haven't done it before.

1:31:43 Adam They don't know how to perceive that it's over and they don't know how to pull the trigger and put it out of its misery. But on the other hand, you do spend your whole life, when you're younger, you're much more that way. Like you're saying, you know, you're graduating high school and you're like...

1:31:56 Marilyn Manson A year's a long time.

1:31:58 Adam I'm gonna come back next year and I'm gonna visit all you guys again, all that stuff, and it never happens. And as you get older, you just realize, you just, it's much easier to kiss people off.

1:32:07 Marilyn Manson Because sometimes you feel like you've invested a year.

1:32:12 Drew And everything, you can't see the future without it. Your whole self in the moment is invested and tied up.

1:32:18 Marilyn Manson I've been there, and if you don't feel it, go away.

1:32:23 Adam Hunter?

1:32:24 Yeah.

1:32:24 Adam You're 14?

1:32:25 Caller Yeah. Hey, Marilyn Manson. I really, I mean, I got Golden Age, not Golden Age, I got some mechanical animals. And I was looking through the pamphlet and I noticed that there's like these hidden messages underneath the whole lyrics.

1:32:40 Marilyn Manson Right.

1:32:40 Caller And there's all this stuff that says this, keeps talking about coma white. And there's a website. Right. And I went there and it doesn't exist. So I want to know what it means.

1:32:49 Marilyn Manson Well, it did exist for a while, but the point of it was the record is about what people expected from me and what was going on in my personal life. And half the songs are sort of sardonic, sarcastic representation of what people thought that I would become pop music wise. And the other songs are about how that affected me and how that made me feel emotionally. And Como White was a metaphor or symbol for what I could rely on or what I depended on. And sometimes it may mean a person, sometimes it may have meant a substance. Sometimes it meant a lot of things.

1:33:38 Adam What's your guitar player ate off the boobs of his girlfriends?

1:33:42 Marilyn Manson Exactly. No, for me it was like whatever the thing in your life that you depend on. And I've switched between if it was drugs or if it was a person or if it was self-destruction.

1:33:59 Adam All right, well Hunter, ask Mr. Al because we have to take ourselves a little bit of a break. Our last one of the night.

1:34:06 Caller A one, a two, a three.

1:34:08 Adam Marilyn Manson in the studio tonight. We'll take a quick break, we'll be right back.

1:34:12 Caller Here it is. Bottom line, it sucks being single today. Tons of lame people and no decent prospects. Call the Dateline.

1:34:19 Caller 1-877-889-DATE.

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1:35:07 Adam Sadly. I thoroughly enjoyed Marilyn Manson on the show tonight. That's not just the Absinthe talking. The CD is called The Golden Age of Grotesque. It is out as we speak. You can, he's right in the middle of a huge tour, so just go on his website and find out the tour dates and when he's coming to a town near you because he's going everywhere. Manson, great coming on.

1:35:30 Marilyn Manson It was a pleasure. I've always wanted to do it. I'm glad I've come back.

1:35:33 Drew Please come back.

1:35:33 Adam Come back anytime you like. Be a regular guest on the show.

1:35:36 Marilyn Manson It's my, I like to consider myself an amateur gynecologist.

1:35:41 Adam You come on and we'll certify you. You can practice anytime you like. So, until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:35:53 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors or this station. The producer for Loveline is Annie Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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