Sunday, June 17, 2001

0:54🔗 Voiceover This is meant for an adult audience.

0:57🔗 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, Coast to Coast.

1:12🔗 Voiceover Hey, it is Loveline. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. I am Dr. Drew. I am here tonight with... Can I call you a friend?

1:19🔗 Dave Navarro You may.

1:20🔗 Drew Dave Navarro.

1:20🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you.

1:20🔗 Drew It is a pleasure to see you. I think it's been like a year since we last had you up here.

1:23🔗 Dave Navarro It's been a while. Good to see you, too.

1:25🔗 Drew New CD is Trust No One. It comes out Tuesday, June 19th. The day after tomorrow, right?

1:29🔗 Dave Navarro That's right.

1:29🔗 Drew June 19th. Some people may be hearing this tomorrow. So it will be the next day for them.

1:32🔗 Dave Navarro Okay.

1:33🔗 Drew You'll be on Leno on June 19th, Conan June 22nd. Have you... You haven't taped those yet?

1:38🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, I have taped them. Yeah, so, you know, they'll be airing in a couple of days.

1:41🔗 Drew They'll be airing, but they're great. They're good. All right. That's what counts. And then we'll be seeing you in Jane's Addiction again.

1:47🔗 Dave Navarro That's right.

1:47🔗 Drew Awesome.

1:48🔗 Dave Navarro Unbelievable.

1:48🔗 Drew It's huge.

1:49🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, I mean, nothing shocking came out in 1988. I found that out the other day.

1:54🔗 Drew That was shocking to you, yeah.

1:55🔗 Dave Navarro It was. It was. Thirteen years ago, right?

1:58🔗 Yeah.

1:59🔗 Dave Navarro What are you going to do?

2:00🔗 Drew Oh, Christ.

2:01🔗 Dave Navarro Dr. Drew's got a page. He's wanted an OR.

2:03🔗 Adam Unacceptable.

2:04🔗 Drew Thank you.

2:05🔗 Adam Unacceptable.

2:05🔗 Drew If you're wondering where that delightful, those delightful tones are, they'll be here in a second. There's a lot of traffic. I guess he got stuck in some of that traffic.

2:12🔗 Dave Navarro Adam's in traffic?

2:14🔗 Drew You know, I could easily, we could easily sit here and abuse him, but the reality is...

2:17🔗 Dave Navarro No, I just wanted to say hello. I'm sure he's listening, right?

2:20🔗 Drew You can say hi to him, but the reality is he is essentially never late. Never early, but never late.

2:24🔗 Dave Navarro Well, from what I understand, you guys walk in right as the clock hits 10.

2:28🔗 Drew He. I'm walking in at 20 minutes. I'll prepare myself. Can you imagine we get paid the same to this show? Can you imagine that?

2:35🔗 Dave Navarro Shocking. I can imagine.

2:36🔗 Drew Shocking. All right. Should we go to some calls? Do you have anything else you want to talk about?

2:40🔗 Dave Navarro Not at all. I'd love to go to some calls.

2:41🔗 Drew All right. Let's do calls.

2:42🔗 Here we go.

2:44🔗 Drew Let's talk to... hang on, I'm looking around here.

2:47🔗 Dave Navarro Let's talk to the...

2:48🔗 Which one?

2:49🔗 Drew The nympho?

2:49🔗 Dave Navarro No, no, no. The webbed foot guy.

2:51🔗 Drew All right. First Cory. 22.

2:52🔗 Dave Navarro Cory?

2:52🔗 Drew All right. This one's easy. Cory?

2:54🔗 Yeah.

2:54🔗 Drew Hey, what's going on?

2:55🔗 Hey, Cory.

2:57🔗 I got... the other day I was ejaculated and I had blood in my semen tripping out.

3:02🔗 Drew Nice.

3:03🔗 Dave Navarro Could be a number of things.

3:04🔗 Drew Could be a number of things, Dave. I care to guess.

3:06🔗 Dave Navarro Well, have you suffered a groin injury recently?

3:08🔗 No.

3:08🔗 Drew Have you had blood in your semen?

3:10🔗 Yeah.

3:10🔗 Drew Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on here.

3:12🔗 Dave Navarro Hey. Hold on.

3:13🔗 Drew You want to talk about it?

3:14🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. It was a bicycle injury. You know, you fall off with the bar underneath the seat. Smash the testicles. Pretty good.

3:22🔗 Drew Good times. There are a number of things. And interestingly, most of the things that cause blood in the semen are not serious. Okay. But it does need to be kind of looked into because very occasionally it can be.

3:35🔗 Dave Navarro Here's Adam. Nice to see you.

3:37🔗 Adam Crap.

3:37🔗 Drew Hold on a second, Cory. Hold on. I was listening.

3:41🔗 Adam You did a very yeoman's type job of getting Dave's stuff, getting the show started, not making too big a deal out of me being late.

3:51🔗 Dave Navarro Did you hear the hello from the car?

3:53🔗 Adam Dave said hello. I was in my car. I thought, how ironic.

3:57🔗 Drew Are you high?

3:58🔗 Adam No.

3:59🔗 Drew You're extra happy tonight.

4:01🔗 Adam Well, why shouldn't I be happy? I got the world by the tail. I got a partner who cares enough to sit down and start the show. Dave Navarro is here.

4:09🔗 Drew Yeah, it's a good night.

4:09🔗 Dave Navarro And a guy with blood in his semen.

4:11🔗 Adam That's right.

4:11🔗 Dave Navarro What more do you need?

4:12🔗 Adam Cory?

4:13🔗 Drew Makes the night complete. Yeah, yeah.

4:14🔗 Adam You know, this is more common than you would think. Did you say that, Drew?

4:18🔗 Drew Yes, yes. And Dave had it.

4:20🔗 Adam Oh, really?

4:20🔗 Drew He must have. Yeah, Dave had it. And he had it from falling on the bar on the bike seat, you know, on your bicycle, smashing the testes.

4:27🔗 Dave Navarro There was a lot of bruising.

4:28🔗 Adam What year was that?

4:30🔗 Dave Navarro Wow, that was 1986.

4:32🔗 Drew We mentioned it was a good time.

4:33🔗 For what?

4:36🔗 Drew But there are other things. Anything that basically causes broken vessels in that area can do this, and very occasionally tumors and things. But the bottom line is that something needs to be checked out, but not something to freak out about. Sam is 16.

4:47🔗 Caller Yeah, two days ago, my girlfriend told me she had a foot fetish and I have webbed feet.

4:52🔗 Drew Yeah, this is, Dave wanted this one.

4:53🔗 Adam Yeah.

4:54🔗 Dave Navarro It's a match made in heaven, it sounds like.

4:56🔗 Caller Well, not really. I mean, my toes aren't really webbed. It's just a two in the middle.

5:01🔗 Dave Navarro I had a girlfriend with a similar attribute, I suppose.

5:05🔗 Drew Yeah.

5:05🔗 Adam They were connected?

5:06🔗 Caller I don't know what I could do about that because I never saw a doctor about it.

5:09🔗 Drew No. Wait a minute. Do you know if she finds your feet attractive or unattractive?

5:12🔗 Caller No, I haven't showed it to her. I just told her about them.

5:14🔗 Drew What did she do? Recoil in horror?

5:16🔗 Caller She wanted to see them actually. Yeah.

5:18🔗 Dave Navarro Did you show them to her?

5:19🔗 Caller No, not yet.

5:20🔗 Adam Yeah, but wait a minute. Wait, there's something I don't understand. I like boobs, but if a girl told me her boobs were fused together down the middle, it wouldn't make me more attracted to her.

5:31🔗 Drew Unless they were huge.

5:31🔗 Caller Well, I'm kind of self-conscious.

5:32🔗 Dave Navarro But would it make you less attractive to her?

5:34🔗 Adam Probably, yeah.

5:35🔗 Drew But wait a minute. You don't talk about it. Look, basically, it goes up to the first knuckle, and then it comes out, and then the other toes are normal.

5:42🔗 Adam Right.

5:42🔗 Drew So this would be the big toe. This is the common thing.

5:45🔗 Adam But someone who's a foot fetishist would like a nicely laid out foot, not a web foot.

5:51🔗 Drew You would think that, but we've never really asked a foot fetish what they find attractive in feet. Well, there may be qualities that have nothing to do with the joints.

5:59🔗 Adam We've never met a female foot fetish.

6:01🔗 Drew That's true.

6:02🔗 Dave Navarro Is this Sam? This is Sam?

6:04🔗 Drew Sam.

6:04🔗 Dave Navarro Sam, what kind of background is your family?

6:07🔗 Drew We're Irish.

6:07🔗 Adam Mallards.

6:08🔗 Dave Navarro Irish. See what I'm saying? You see where I'm going with this? Because there might be a lot of inbreeding in the history.

6:14🔗 Adam Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. You guys are loaded all the time.

6:18🔗 That's true. That's true.

6:19🔗 Adam You're high on haggis.

6:20🔗 Dave Navarro You never know what's going to happen.

6:22🔗 Adam You hit your own sister up and that's what happened.

6:24🔗 Drew I would like to wait. Now, here's the deal. Hey, Damian, I would like to hear from what foot fetish is, what they find attractive in feet. You know, I mean, even if it's a guy, just to see what who knows.

6:34🔗 Adam All right. Well, so Sam, is is do you think that's why she loves you?

6:39🔗 Caller I don't know. She hasn't seen him. I mean, she's not perfect either. She's got a butt hole the size of a...

6:43🔗 Drew Oh, bingo.

6:45🔗 Adam It was great.

6:46🔗 Drew Good one.

6:46🔗 Adam Well, you know how we enjoy those? I do. Yeah, I do. Anything that cuts into this two hours, anything that breaks up the monotony, but we should have known that was a bogus call because we've never had a female who had almost any kind of fetish, but especially not feet.

7:02🔗 Drew Yep.

7:03🔗 Adam Right?

7:03🔗 Drew Yep.

7:03🔗 Caller You're right.

7:04🔗 Adam They almost do not exist.

7:06🔗 Drew That's right. That's actually true.

7:07🔗 Caller All right.

7:08🔗 Drew Because along the lines of the discussion of the basin jar, here is Kathleen is 19.

7:13🔗 Adam Kayleen, I think.

7:14🔗 Drew Kayleen.

7:15🔗 Adam You're 19.

7:15🔗 Caller What's up? My friend Tony is gay and we have a question.

7:22🔗 Drew Where's Tony?

7:23🔗 Caller I'm sorry.

7:23🔗 Drew Where's Tony?

7:24🔗 Caller Tony is right next to me, but he's kind of scared.

7:26🔗 Yeah.

7:28🔗 Caller Since he has anal sex now and he's also 19 years old, when he gets to be around 60 years old, will it be hard for him to hold in his...

7:40🔗 Adam Well, first off, let me put Tony at ease. He'll be dead in his late 30s from hepatitis, so don't worry. Do not worry. He's telling us not to worry.

7:51🔗 Caller Okay.

7:51🔗 Dave Navarro And there's also the whole, like, just living in the moment philosophy.

7:55🔗 Adam Right.

7:56🔗 Dave Navarro Don't worry about 60 now.

7:57🔗 Caller It's just a rumor we heard. We don't know if it's the truth, and that's why we're kind of calling and asking if it's the truth.

8:02🔗 Drew I don't know. I don't deal much with that end of that population. Very good.

8:07🔗 Dave Navarro That end.

8:08🔗 Drew And I've not heard much upset about that, and you would think there are enough people doing that, both men and women, that if it really were a big issue, we'd hear an awful lot about it. It makes sense to me there would be minor kinds of problems, and it would also depend on the partner. And if you kept doing this until you're 60 or 70, I mean, seven-year-olds already have that problem.

8:26🔗 Dave Navarro How opened up is he going to get?

8:29🔗 Adam Well, wait a second though. If there's no trauma, there's no trauma, right? I mean, if he's got, let's say Tony's boyfriend is slow-moving, well-looped, and modest in size, and caring, and careful, and he feels no pain. It's not like he's being raped in prison or at a holding tank at some backwater sheriff place where everyone's having to go at him with a mop handle.

8:53🔗 Drew It's hard to imagine.

8:54🔗 Adam So, if there's no trauma, he'll probably be okay. All right.

8:57🔗 Drew Yeah. Kegel exercise. I don't know. It doesn't seem to be a big issue.

9:01🔗 Adam I would, you know something, I'd be curious to find out the circumference of the average male's BM is probably about the average width of a penis. I know it's not something we choose to think about, but just think about it for a second.

9:14🔗 Dave Navarro You got a point.

9:15🔗 Adam It's probably right about there.

9:17🔗 Caller I have no idea.

9:19🔗 Yeah.

9:20🔗 Drew Well, Kayleen, I'm glad at 19, you're struggling with these great thoughts.

9:24🔗 I guess so.

9:24🔗 Drew All right. Take care.

9:25🔗 Caller Wait, I just wanted to say one more thing.

9:27🔗 Drew Yeah.

9:28🔗 Caller I just wanted to say that just about the foot fetish thing. I actually like giving men pedicures, but I don't have like a foot fetish.

9:35🔗 Drew You just like cleaning men up basically.

9:38🔗 Adam Right. You're a cuticle pusher. Thank you. Seriously though, what do you think is wider, the average penis or the average BM from the adult male? Think about it for a second. What if someone put a gun to your head? What would you go with?

9:52🔗 Drew Could I produce an average BM the size of an average penis?

9:55🔗 Adam If someone put a gun to your head. No, I'd say penis, but it's marginal, wouldn't you?

10:00🔗 Drew It's hard to say. It's a tough call.

10:02🔗 Adam So therefore, I mean, do the math.

10:03🔗 Drew Depends on your diet.

10:04🔗 How bad could it be?

10:04🔗 Dave Navarro He's going to have no problem. Right, right.

10:07🔗 Drew Sarah?

10:07🔗 Yeah.

10:08🔗 Drew 28.

10:09🔗 Yep.

10:09🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

10:10🔗 Drew Get us out of this.

10:11🔗 Go ahead.

10:14🔗 I'm going to be moving four hours away in about a month and a half. And the guy that I'm dating now and I get along great, but we both know that long-distance relationships don't work.

10:29🔗 Drew What are you moving for?

10:30🔗 Medical school.

10:31🔗 Drew And where are you moving from to?

10:34🔗 From southern Minnesota to Duluth, Minnesota. Four hours.

10:37🔗 Adam All right. And does he have a decent set of wheels?

10:41🔗 Yeah, but no. Long-distance. We both have already agreed that we want to break up.

10:44🔗 Drew You know, sir, yeah.

10:45🔗 Adam Well, you're not really that. Hold on, though. At 28, she's just not into the guy or he's not into her.

10:51🔗 Dave Navarro No, you're totally wrong.

10:52🔗 Adam Well, hold on. How dare you? How dare you, ma'am? 28 is no spring chicken for a chick. And at 20.

11:00🔗 Drew Let him finish, Sarah.

11:02🔗 Let him finish.

11:03🔗 Adam Listen, I'm telling you. Forget about it. Put her on hold for a second. Let me finish my thought. Screw her.

11:07🔗 Drew Finish your thought. I want to talk to Sarah some more.

11:09🔗 Adam She is not that into this guy.

11:10🔗 Drew I agree.

11:11🔗 Adam Because if she has any kind of pardon the pun, mobility financially, I mean, has a decent ride. Can go to medical school, go to med school. Twenty eight can get herself a plane ticket every once in a while. She's deeply in love. And women who are 28, if they meet Mr. Wright, I mean, they're starting to think about marriage in the next six months. Or not breaking it off because he's moving 200 miles, she's moving 200 miles away.

11:32🔗 Drew Sarah, he's right about that. But listen, here's my advice, is that every couple that started out medical school with me did not make it.

11:40🔗 Caller Yeah, but you haven't listened to my question. My question isn't that.

11:43🔗 Adam All right. I'm not, I don't care what it is. I'm just telling you, you're not breaking up with this guy because you're deeply in love and you're moving four hours away.

11:50🔗 Drew What is your question then?

11:50🔗 Caller Okay. Well, here's the real question. Okay. We were going to spend the summer together and then break up right before I left, but then a couple of weeks ago we decided that we better break it off now because we're falling harder for each other. It's just going to be harder at the end of the summer.

12:04🔗 Yeah.

12:04🔗 Caller But we can't stay away from each other now. So should we keep seeing each other all summer?

12:09🔗 Yeah.

12:10🔗 Adam Who cares? It's not like your parents are both diplomats and one's going back to India and the other's going to the New York. You're 28. How old is he?

12:20🔗 Caller 35.

12:21🔗 Adam Okay. You guys can't pull this one off. You're deeply in love. You're falling deeper in love.

12:25🔗 Dave Navarro There's also something about Sarah.

12:27🔗 Caller We've only been together four months.

12:29🔗 Drew Yeah. But Sarah, but that's the point. You're going to double down and think that somehow it's going to be easier than at the end of summer. And Adam is saying go for it. Try to keep it going. Go for the summer and go beyond. I'm saying no. I'm saying it doesn't work in the relationship.

12:42🔗 Dave Navarro It seems to me like the drama of the separation is enough of a defocus for you. And so like almost stay addicted to the relationship in a sense by focusing on the fact that it's going to ultimately be in, you know, a perilous situation for you. That drama is taking you out of whatever fears you're dealing with to begin with, which might not be school or moving or all of the above.

13:03🔗 Adam All of it. All right. You're both in the same goddamn state of Minnesota. For Christ's sake, he's 35. 35. Yeah, I know. She's 28. You're falling deeper and deeper in love.

13:16🔗 Dave Navarro And if she's going to medical school, she's going to be set up well enough. The guy should just move with her.

13:21🔗 Adam She's got an intimacy issue here. I guarantee it. Oh, yeah. You got it.

13:25🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

13:26🔗 Adam Okay. A little bit. Just be honest with yourself.

13:28🔗 Drew But I believe that people used to call it drama, call it arousal to just gratify in the moment and get away from the more difficult feeling. Lila?

13:39🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

13:39🔗 Drew 18.

13:40🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

13:40🔗 Adam What's up?

13:41🔗 Dave Navarro Well, first of all, I just wanted to say, Dr. Drew, I got your Shakespearean reference the other night from Romeo and Juliet.

13:46🔗 Drew What did I say? I forgot already.

13:48🔗 Adam A rose by any other name.

13:50🔗 Drew Oh, thank you. Yes, a rose.

13:51🔗 Adam But he butchered it. But go ahead.

13:53🔗 Drew Yeah, a rose by any other name is still that.

13:55🔗 Dave Navarro It would smell as sweet.

13:57🔗 Caller Yeah.

13:59🔗 Adam Go ahead, Lila.

14:00🔗 Dave Navarro Okay. I wanted to know if I have the characteristics of being a nymphomaniac.

14:05🔗 Caller I sleep with a lot of people.

14:09🔗 Dave Navarro I masturbate a lot. I want to be a stripper. I know this is not normal. So am I a nymphomaniac?

14:15🔗 Drew Well, there's no such thing as nymphomaniac. That's not a term that has any meaning anymore. But the question is, are you a sexual compulsive or are you a sexual addict? You want to address that?

14:23🔗 Dave Navarro Sounds like a good yes to me. Especially if you're using that to avoid other issues in your life.

14:27🔗 Drew Do you have any addictions otherwise?

14:30🔗 Dave Navarro Not really.

14:31🔗 Drew Is there any family history of alcoholism?

14:34🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. On my dad's side and my mom's side.

14:36🔗 Drew Were you sexually abused when you were growing up?

14:40🔗 Dave Navarro I'm not really sure. I don't remember a lot of when I was younger.

14:43🔗 Dave Navarro What about eating disorders or body dysmorphic issues?

14:47🔗 Dave Navarro I had a problem with that a couple of years ago.

14:50🔗 Drew It all kind of adds up to addiction plus some childhood trauma. That is the recipe for sexual addiction. Do you want to address that at all?

14:59🔗 Dave Navarro What? The sexual addiction?

15:01🔗 Drew What you might do about it.

15:02🔗 Dave Navarro Finally, they turn to me when it comes to this.

15:03🔗 Drew No. You've been speaking the language of this.

15:06🔗 Dave Navarro I can totally relate to this whole. But for me, compulsivity basically is applicable to everything I do. Ultimately, what's going on in my life is like there's something I'm trying to avoid and I'm looking into these other areas to help me deal with whatever it is that's actually going on. Is there anything going on in your life that you're trying to avoid or hide or run from, especially in your childhood like Dr. Drew said?

15:29🔗 Drew Feelings.

15:31🔗 Dave Navarro Feelings-wise, well, I actually have a problem with my feelings. I can't ever show my real emotions. They mostly sound really happy to people I know.

15:39🔗 Drew Yeah, but you sexualize feelings though, too.

15:41🔗 You're able to do that, right?

15:43🔗 Dave Navarro I guess, I'm not really sure what that means.

15:45🔗 Drew Everything comes out through sex.

15:46🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, yeah, I guess.

15:48🔗 Drew Everything.

15:49🔗 Dave Navarro Is that a place you go when you're angry or a place you're going when you're happy or feeling celebratory or when you're in fear or when you're scared? Sex is the answer to all those things, isn't that correct? Isn't that so?

16:01🔗 Drew Yes, counselor. But you know what's interesting about people like this is it, and this is where I look to you, is that you know what's going on with her, I know what's going on with her, but how do you get her to get it? To really get it, to be willing to change, to get what she, because in her mind she's like, no, I just do a lot of, I just understand, just have a lot of sex.

16:18🔗 Dave Navarro I mean, yeah, that's the problem is are you finding that your sexual behavior is making your life unlivable right now, unmanageable? Are you uncomfortable with it?

16:25🔗 Dave Navarro No, I like it. I'm having fun.

16:27🔗 Dave Navarro Then that's, you know, then there's really, there's really no answer right now.

16:31🔗 Drew Unfortunately, we know where she's headed.

16:33🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, I mean, when it's, you know, give us a call when in your life it starts, you know, being a problem as a result of it.

16:37🔗 Drew And it will. That's the, that's the, that's the sort of clairvoyance of being around people, of having been with and talked to a lot of people that have what you have, Lila, is that eventually you keep up in the ante, you keep getting more and more thrill into your situations, more and more pain, more and more shame you try to avoid, and it just compounds, it gets worse and worse and worse.

16:58🔗 Dave Navarro So are you saying I'm going to end up being a hooker? Or in the porn?

17:01🔗 Drew No, not necessarily. I'm not saying where you're going to go, but you're going to probably strip and that kind of thing.

17:06🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, and even if it doesn't end up that way, which I'm not saying that at all, but what I am saying is like it more than likely will end up in a place where you're very uncomfortable with it and unhappy.

17:16🔗 Drew Unhappy for you.

17:17🔗 Adam You'll look back on these years and regret many, many encounters that came along those years, and then you'll have to live with that, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be doing snuff films.

17:28🔗 Drew No, no, no.

17:30🔗 Dave Navarro No, actually it actually does.

17:31🔗 Adam Oh, it does? Yeah, Dave's right.

17:32🔗 Drew It doesn't mean she's a bad movie.

17:33🔗 Adam At least two snuff films.

17:34🔗 Drew See, people somehow take that and go, oh, you're telling me I'm bad, I'm wrong, is something wrong with me? No, no, no. You have a thing. And it's, you've fulfilled the recipe for what you have and now you have it.

17:43🔗 Dave Navarro What's interesting or what I'm curious about is like why the call to find out if this label applies to you, if there's no, if you're not getting into any problems with it right now.

17:53🔗 Dave Navarro Well, my friends are just like dude, that's not normal. You should talk to somebody about that.

17:58🔗 Dave Navarro But doesn't even that kind of turn you on when they tell you that? You kind of dig feeling different that way.

18:04🔗 Dave Navarro Well, yeah, I guess.

18:05🔗 Dave Navarro And like to even seek out the label nymphomaniac, there's something to attach yourself to.

18:10🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

18:11🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

18:11🔗 Adam All right. So you know what the future is now. And the question is you want to live it or do you just want to see it and avoid it? Why don't you see if you can see it and avoid it?

18:20🔗 Drew And if you do their essay or maybe if you have there's another drug involved here you haven't talked about, you can start any kind of 12 step program would be very, very useful for this.

18:28🔗 Adam I also worry about her friends who call her dude.

18:33🔗 Drew They're very serious.

18:34🔗 Adam They're the ones we need to speak to.

18:36🔗 Drew Indeed.

18:36🔗 Adam You call women dude now? Is that how that works? You can? Everyone can do that.

18:40🔗 Drew Everything's dude. Aloha. Wow.

18:43🔗 Adam I'm out of the loop. All right, dude.

18:47🔗 Drew All right, Lila. Take care.

18:48🔗 Adam Okay.

18:48🔗 Dave Navarro Lila, stand in line. I'm going to get your number.

18:50🔗 Drew Okay.

18:50🔗 Dave Navarro No, I'm joking.

18:51🔗 Drew I thought you meant to refer her on to somebody.

18:53🔗 Adam No, it's a showers photo booth. I don't know.

18:58🔗 Drew Sarah 19.

19:00🔗 Caller Hi. Yesterday, I did shrooms for the first time. Now today, my stomach really hurts and I don't know if it's normal. I also smoked a gram of weed yesterday and I usually don't smoke. I mean, I usually smoke like once or twice a month.

19:18🔗 Adam And were you laughing? No, I'm serious. Like I've eaten mushrooms like three times and each time I laughed so hard that I woke up with a stitch in my side, you know, the next morning because I overdid it.

19:37🔗 Dave Navarro I think she's still tripping.

19:40🔗 Drew Who was that?

19:40🔗 Caller That was my mom.

19:41🔗 Adam That was your mom?

19:42🔗 Caller Yeah. Put her on the door and then like my boyfriend like...

19:45🔗 Drew Your mom was imaging Coca?

19:46🔗 Caller Wow.

19:48🔗 Adam Heavy smoker. So are you there?

19:52🔗 Caller Yeah, my boyfriend was on the line.

19:53🔗 Adam Okay, so how did the mushrooms treat you?

19:57🔗 Caller Well, I don't know. I don't think I had enough because I heard a lot of voices and stuff.

20:02🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, it's definitely not enough.

20:04🔗 Adam But you didn't see anything?

20:06🔗 Caller Not really.

20:07🔗 Adam Yeah, it's a fine balance.

20:08🔗 Dave Navarro But what kind of stomach problem is it? Is it like gastro?

20:11🔗 Drew Why don't you describe the pain? Where is it? What's it like?

20:14🔗 Caller It was like in my stomach and it just cramps up.

20:18🔗 Dave Navarro Where?

20:19🔗 Drew Right in the middle?

20:20🔗 Dave Navarro Like is it muscular?

20:21🔗 Drew Is it down the right lower quadrant, left lower quadrant, right around the belly button?

20:24🔗 Caller Yeah, around the belly button.

20:25🔗 Drew Did you have any diarrhea or constipation? Yeah. So that's diarrhea.

20:28🔗 Dave Navarro That's a good thing. It's slimming too.

20:29🔗 Drew That's bowel spasm with diarrhea.

20:31🔗 Adam You know, they say the width of the average diarrhea stream is the same width of an engorged female clitoris. Did you know that?

20:39🔗 Drew I'm learning.

20:42🔗 Dave Navarro But I mean, it sounds to me like, you know, she's sitting here saying, I put a pencil in my eye and I can't see today.

20:47🔗 Drew Exactly. I don't know. I've not, you know, again, mushrooms are one of these drugs that you don't see.

20:51🔗 Caller Well, because all my other friends, they didn't have any stomach pain.

20:54🔗 Drew I've not heard of people complaining about stomach pain from doing a lot of mushrooms. And mushrooms are one of the drugs that nobody does a lot of. So I don't get a lot of experience seeing a lot of people who do a lot of the drugs.

21:03🔗 Adam But they grow in cow crap. So you could see where they may cause some irritation in some of the users. All right, Sarah. Now, you're not going to die.

21:14🔗 Caller I know. But I mean, like, next time when I do mushrooms, like, what can I take to not have that huge pain?

21:19🔗 Dave Navarro I want to throw some Tums back there with it.

21:21🔗 Adam Right. How did you eat the mushrooms, Sarah? Did you put them in peanut butter? Did you make tea or something?

21:28🔗 Caller I made them by themselves. And then I had, like, chips afterwards.

21:31🔗 Adam OK.

21:32🔗 Dave Navarro What kind of chips?

21:32🔗 Adam Pringles.

21:33🔗 Caller Pringles.

21:34🔗 Drew I was so scared for my kids.

21:35🔗 Dave Navarro I might want to go with the fat pre ones next time.

21:39🔗 Drew Maybe that's the game of the diarrhea?

21:40🔗 Adam It's possible.

21:41🔗 Dave Navarro What is it? The Lestra.

21:42🔗 Adam The Lestra. Hey, Drew, can you put that on vibrate? I was listening to that while... You know, it was funny. I was driving in and I was listening to the first minute of the show and I heard Drew's pager go off and I thought, Jesus Christ, how unprofessional. And then I thought, wait a minute, I host the show and I'm in my car, so maybe I shouldn't pass any judgment tonight. It's unacceptable. All right.

22:04🔗 Drew It is Love Line. We're here with David Navarro. We'll be right back. Hello. It is Love Line.

22:09🔗 Call 1-800-LOVE-191. Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back.

22:44🔗 Hi, this is Isabella Mico, and you're listening to Loveline with Adam and Drew.

22:50🔗 Adam Yes, you is. I don't know who Isabella Mico is either. All right. We shouldn't say that on the air. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. The new CD is called Trust No One, comes out on Tuesday, the 19th. Also, Conan and Leno, 19th and 22nd. 22nd would be Conan. Reunion with Jane's Addiction.

23:12🔗 Dave Navarro Once again.

23:13🔗 Adam All kinds of fun. Reunion with Jane's Addiction and everything is just coming up roses for Dave and we're happy.

23:21🔗 Dave Navarro It would seem that way. Yeah.

23:23🔗 Adam Yeah, I think so. And I saw you on Cribs. That's correct. I saw your house profiled on Cribs.

23:29🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

23:30🔗 Adam Very, did not disappoint.

23:31🔗 Drew Oh, did you see his photo booth?

23:33🔗 Adam Yeah. It was on there. Yeah, I think.

23:35🔗 Drew Isn't that a genius idea?

23:37🔗 Adam Yeah. When Dave was on the TV show a couple of years ago talking about it, I think, with the book, the photo book, I thought it was a slice of genius back then.

23:47🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

23:47🔗 Adam You're still staying with it?

23:48🔗 Dave Navarro It still is a slice of genius. Actually, the book's done, so. You stop. I'm sorry. We stop, yeah. The maintenance on the booth alone is just kind of a pain.

23:56🔗 Drew You can safely deliver pizza at his house, having to have your ass dragged into the photo booth.

23:59🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, too many carbs.

24:01🔗 Adam Well, I like the idea that I think Dave had like a disclaimer on his front door or something.

24:07🔗 Drew If you come in here, you're going to be photographed.

24:08🔗 Dave Navarro Subject to having your lightness.

24:11🔗 Adam Right. Like, you know, when they film out in the street sometimes and they hold that sign up, if you're walking by, you're liable to getting a shot. Yvette?

24:19🔗 Caller Yeah?

24:19🔗 Adam You're 33?

24:20🔗 Caller Yeah.

24:21🔗 Adam What's up?

24:22🔗 Caller Hi, Yvette. Hi.

24:23🔗 Caller I have a question. Okay, I thought of this really cool idea because I thought it would look cool. Now, my boyfriend said I could do it, but he said if they got stuck, I'd have to take them to the hospital and explain to the doctor how it happened. And I don't want to do that.

24:38🔗 Dave Navarro But I have to explain a lot better than you're explaining now.

24:41🔗 Caller I'm going to explain to you right now what it is I want to do. And he said I can do this.

24:46🔗 Dave Navarro Your boyfriend?

24:46🔗 Caller Yeah.

24:47🔗 Dave Navarro What I'm wondering is why is he the one who has the authority to tell you what you can and can't do to begin with?

24:51🔗 Drew Let's hear what he has to do.

24:53🔗 Caller Let me tell you what it is I want to do first.

24:55🔗 Dave Navarro All right.

24:55🔗 Caller Okay. Now, you know those little confectioners think candies you put on a cake?

25:00🔗 Dave Navarro Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

25:01🔗 Caller They look like confetti?

25:02🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, those are great.

25:04🔗 Adam Okay. You mean like jimmies in the sprinkles?

25:06🔗 Drew You mean the little flat circular ones?

25:08🔗 Caller Those are the ones.

25:09🔗 Dave Navarro The ovular ones.

25:09🔗 Drew Yeah, the little ovoid ones.

25:10🔗 Adam Right. Okay.

25:11🔗 Caller They look like confetti.

25:12🔗 Adam Right.

25:13🔗 Dave Navarro The triangular ones.

25:13🔗 Caller Crunchy.

25:14🔗 Caller No, they're circle. They're not triangle.

25:15🔗 Dave Navarro They're red.

25:16🔗 Caller All right.

25:16🔗 Caller No, they're colored like confetti.

25:18🔗 Drew They're like pastel colors.

25:19🔗 Dave Navarro Red's color.

25:20🔗 Drew Okay.

25:21🔗 Caller They're pastel colored.

25:23🔗 Adam Okay.

25:24🔗 Caller Okay, there you go. Well, I thought that if I stepped those down his pee hole and I jacked them off, that when it shot out, it would shoot out like a confetti, you know? Now, he told me I could do this, but I put one of those in my mouth and they don't dissolve very fast, so I'm afraid they'll get stuck in there. I don't want to take them to the hospital and tell them that I stuck these in.

25:44🔗 Adam Now, is this just because or is there a birthday coming up?

25:47🔗 Caller It's just because I want to see if it'll do well.

25:49🔗 Drew An anniversary?

25:50🔗 Caller I imagine it would do well.

25:51🔗 Adam Blow out the candle.

25:53🔗 Dave Navarro I think it's a fantastic idea.

25:54🔗 Adam I do too. I once filled my scrotum with silly string, attempting to do the same thing. Apparently, it's not hooked up the same way, and a very bad infection broke out.

26:04🔗 Caller They wouldn't go all the way down. They would just be there.

26:07🔗 Adam That's a good question. Quiet down, Nuts job. Let me ask Drew about this. How much... Is that urethra basically barren before that?

26:17🔗 Drew That is inside your body. You could put stuff in the rectum and have it come out and be okay.

26:23🔗 Adam Not out your penis, though.

26:24🔗 Drew That's outside your body.

26:25🔗 Dave Navarro These things are sugar, right?

26:26🔗 Adam I know.

26:26🔗 Drew But what I'm...

26:28🔗 Dave Navarro It's going to assimilate into the wall.

26:30🔗 Drew Urethra is a sterile environment. You put anything down there and you're going to get infections and all kinds of things.

26:35🔗 Adam But here's what I'm asking. What is in the urethra moments before one ejaculates?

26:41🔗 Drew Lubricants. The stuff from the prostate that keeps it lubricated.

26:44🔗 Adam So nothing really. But also, it's not like a cigar tube. It's not like you can put a funnel in the top and fill it up. The first piece you try to put in there is going to stick to the wall, clog it up.

26:54🔗 Drew It's not going to hurt like hell and probably start bleeding. And then get infected. That is inside your body. You might as well put something in your eye.

27:03🔗 Caller Okay, I mean, but he likes it.

27:05🔗 Drew Do you understand that Adam has trouble with this inside versus outside thing. You have a tube going from your mouth to your anus that is outside your body.

27:12🔗 Adam I still have trouble with that.

27:13🔗 Drew Everything else is inside your body. You put something in a sterile environment inside your body. That is inside your body.

27:19🔗 Adam But the point is, even if it did no harm and it was outside your body, you could not fill it.

27:25🔗 Drew Correct, not with a funnel or anything.

27:26🔗 Adam It is not big enough. The walls are sticky. It really, it would be...

27:29🔗 Caller I found a way to do it. Could I do it?

27:31🔗 Adam You know how, I mean, but really, it would be like trying to put popcorn inside of a gym sock that was soaked with Axle grease.

27:38🔗 Drew Exactly.

27:38🔗 Adam From 10 feet away. I mean, it just wouldn't... It wouldn't stick to the side.

27:42🔗 Drew And once you do that, you will get infections. It will cause stricturing of the urethra and you will have lifelong problems from your little game. I am serious. I am dead serious about it.

27:52🔗 Adam Really? But, Yvette, what would your plan for filling the urethra be?

27:57🔗 Caller I hadn't thought about how I was going to get him in.

27:59🔗 Caller I just wanted to see him shoot out.

28:01🔗 Drew Can we go down the path of what the F is up with that boyfriend that he's even willing... Is he a heroin addict or something? Does he not feel pain? No, no, no.

28:07🔗 Caller He's just willing to let me do whatever I want to do.

28:10🔗 Adam Well, how about you just give him an anema with, like, Clamado or something.

28:15🔗 Drew Yeah, watch that shoot out.

28:16🔗 Adam See that go flying out.

28:17🔗 Caller I don't want to watch it come out of that end. I want to watch it come out the other end.

28:22🔗 Adam Right.

28:22🔗 Caller You know, I mean, I would imagine that since when he shoots it out, it shoots out, so I would imagine it would, with the force, it would shoot the little things out.

28:32🔗 Adam I know. You're picturing sort of a room filled with sparkly magic and semen, but it wouldn't go that way. Yvette, you're not a mother, are you?

28:43🔗 Caller Sure I am.

28:43🔗 Adam Oh my God. Of what?

28:47🔗 Caller Of boys.

28:48🔗 Adam Two boys, really?

28:49🔗 Caller Yeah.

28:50🔗 Adam Couldn't we drop those two kids off at a beaver dam somewhere so they'd have a chance just being raised by a family of beaver?

28:58🔗 Caller Oh, that's like rude. I'm the dead mother. They don't know what I do.

29:01🔗 Adam No, they don't know the specifics. They just know the general vibe.

29:06🔗 Drew They're raised by someone who obsesses about things like this.

29:10🔗 Caller No, I don't obsess. It's just sometimes I get these ideas of doing things.

29:14🔗 Drew Give us another one of your ideas.

29:15🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, no, this is so irritating.

29:17🔗 I'm just curious what her other idea would be.

29:20🔗 Drew What other idea?

29:21🔗 Caller No, it's cool because he's telling me I'm irritating.

29:23🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, come on.

29:25🔗 Adam All right, Yvette, where's biological dad?

29:28🔗 Caller Biological dad? Biological dad is a jackass.

29:32🔗 Adam I see. You tried to fill this urethra with something way back when you took off?

29:37🔗 Caller No, that jackass molested my kids.

29:40🔗 Oh, yeah.

29:41🔗 Adam Well, the kids are fine, though, right?

29:43🔗 Caller My kids are cool.

29:43🔗 Adam They're great. Only been molested once, right?

29:46🔗 Caller Yeah, they're jackass.

29:48🔗 Adam No harm, no foul. I'm sure they'll get right over that.

29:51🔗 Drew Do you have them in treatment?

29:52🔗 Caller I have them in treatment, and there was no physical nothing, so it was basically fondling, but I mean.

29:59🔗 Adam All right. How old are they?

30:01🔗 Caller How old are they? Oh, I don't want to tell you how old they are, because that's cool.

30:06🔗 Drew Are they little kids or are they teenagers?

30:08🔗 Caller I have a teenage, and then I have little kids.

30:10🔗 Adam All right. Just look. Don't let them hurt anybody or hurt themselves or anything like that.

30:14🔗 Caller Oh, no. My kids are cool.

30:16🔗 Adam No, I'm sure. Okay. All right, Yvette.

30:19🔗 Caller Okay. Thanks a lot.

30:21🔗 Adam Listen, I really, I know it's sort of comical and sad at the same time. I really don't mind goofballs or insane people, and I don't mind them executing hair-brain schemes or floating stupid notions. Don't hurt anybody else. But when you got a couple of boys, already got molested by ex-jackass dad, that kind of thing.

30:40🔗 Dave Navarro I want to make that the focus. Yeah.

30:43🔗 Adam Yes. Everyone, now your mommy. Focus on your sons, please, for the sake of society. Amy, and God knows what kind of guy, stepdad or new boyfriend is.

30:54🔗 Drew Same. What do you think?

30:56🔗 Adam I'm guessing world-class idiot.

30:59🔗 Drew Yeah.

30:59🔗 Adam And possibly an abuser as well. Otherwise, why would she be attracted to him? Amy?

31:06🔗 Caller Hi.

31:06🔗 Adam You're 22.

31:07🔗 Dave Navarro Hi, Amy.

31:08🔗 Adam What's up?

31:09🔗 Caller I just want to say hi, Dave.

31:10🔗 Dave Navarro Hi.

31:11🔗 Caller I think you're really cool. I saw the show at the SB Bowl.

31:15🔗 Dave Navarro At the where?

31:15🔗 Caller At the Santa Barbara Bowl.

31:16🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:17🔗 Caller And it was, I saw you at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

31:20🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

31:20🔗 Caller And the show was really cool.

31:22🔗 Dave Navarro What was that?

31:23🔗 Caller You can't hear me?

31:24🔗 Dave Navarro No, I just want to hear you keep saying it.

31:25🔗 Caller Oh, it was really cool.

31:26🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you.

31:27🔗 Caller We were up front, and I'm sure you don't remember, but you passed my friend a cigarette, and then I passed you a joint.

31:32🔗 Dave Navarro I do remember.

31:33🔗 Caller You do?

31:33🔗 Dave Navarro I do remember.

31:34🔗 Caller Oh, well, that was us. Thank you. Look, this is my question. I was thinking of getting the hood of my clit pierced or getting the lips pierced. I was just wondering if this is part of the body that would reject a piercing, or would it heal fast?

31:50🔗 Drew Wait, you went by that pretty quickly, what you're actually wanting to do.

31:54🔗 Adam So it's either the lips or the hood.

31:55🔗 Drew They're different, right?

31:56🔗 Caller What?

31:57🔗 Drew Those are two different things.

31:58🔗 Dave Navarro I would recommend the hood over the lips.

32:01🔗 Drew The thing about the hood, though, is that some people claim, report that it's desensitizing later.

32:06🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, is that right? Better for a while, and then it kind of gets My understanding was that the friction would create more of a stimulation.

32:12🔗 Drew That's what people report sometimes, but then they become sort of desensitized after a while.

32:15🔗 Dave Navarro If you do both, you know, the lips, if you do two of them, then they become handles. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Which is a nice change.

32:25🔗 Adam And you slide a padlock through them. You know what I mean? When your boyfriend leaves town, just clamp the thing shut.

32:32🔗 Drew Oh, good time.

32:34🔗 Adam Yeah. Hey, but how does that stuff heal, by the way? Like, you know, I was thinking about the tongue, too. Like, if it's in a moist environment, you put a hole in it.

32:42🔗 Drew How does it epithelialize?

32:43🔗 Adam Yeah, I understand the lobe of the ear, you know, you sleep with the fan on it, and two days later, it's all closed up. But, I mean, it's dried up, but how does your tongue or your clitoral hood dry up?

32:56🔗 Dave Navarro I don't mean dry up, but you actually have to keep it moist, actually, while it's healing.

33:02🔗 Drew But he's asking, because it's tough for some wounds to heal when they are moist, and mouth sores take forever to heal, and how does the tongue thing not get infected? It epithelializes very quickly, the tongue for some reason heals real fast.

33:13🔗 Adam And what about the hood?

33:15🔗 Drew I guess also, I don't know for sure that's quickly, but in terms of rejection, rejection primarily, or the most common rejection sites is the eyelid, excuse me, the eyebrow, the eyelid would be very interesting, the eyebrow and the belly button, those are the two most common rejection sites.

33:29🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, cool. I mean, I have the nipples done, that was like about a nine month to a year long healing process. Really? Yeah.

33:35🔗 Adam Is that longer than normal?

33:37🔗 Dave Navarro No, about nine months is about average. Really? I had no idea. Before you can like start tugging on it, and you know, I mean, it's sensitive for that long, you know.

33:44🔗 Caller Well, I only had my ears pierced, and they only take like two weeks to heal.

33:47🔗 Drew That's the earlobe, though. That's where piercings belong.

33:50🔗 Adam Right. God intended piercings to go on the lobes, but not on the hood. Or he would have put your hood on your ear.

33:57🔗 Caller I saw you at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

33:59🔗 Adam Right. You too? No. What? Dave. All right. Hey, Amy. Yeah, good luck. I mean, good times. And who do you get to do this? You get to just... I don't know.

34:08🔗 Caller I'm going to look around LA somewhere.

34:10🔗 Adam Guy to do it? Yeah. That's a good gig.

34:13🔗 Caller Like someone professional.

34:14🔗 Adam All right. It's either a douche or tip. That's what the sign reads.

34:19🔗 Dave Navarro I'd go lips well, by the way.

34:20🔗 Caller I saw you at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

34:23🔗 Adam Anderson keeps playing that. That is not her doing it. That is the engineer Anderson screwing with Dave. Let's talk to Lenol. Lenol?

34:35🔗 Hello?

34:36🔗 Adam Hey, you're 28.

34:37🔗 Caller Yeah, 28.

34:39🔗 Adam What's up?

34:40🔗 Caller I wanted to know if prolonged use of a ring would have any kind of damaging effect.

34:46🔗 Adam Seems like it. Yeah, but hold on a second. We're going to take a break and then we'll get back with the question, OK? OK, there it is. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. We'll hear something off the new CD, Trust No One, which is out on Tuesday, the 19th. And we'll also get back with Lenol and his penis ring after this.

35:40🔗 Drew We just lost him.

35:41🔗 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. It's Dr. Drew.

35:43🔗 Dave Navarro We just lost the penis ring guy.

35:44🔗 Drew Let's deal with it. Let's talk about it. It's a simple enough question.

35:47🔗 Dave Navarro I was just going to recommend that as long, six months or longer might be a problem.

35:51🔗 Drew Continuous wearing.

35:52🔗 Dave Navarro Continuous wearing of the cut ring.

35:53🔗 Drew Your penis might drop off.

35:56🔗 Adam Well, the penis ring is not a piercing or a piece of jewelry. Whatever happens.

36:02🔗 Dave Navarro But it cuts off circulation.

36:03🔗 Adam Right. It goes at the base of the penis after you get the erection or as you get the erection, it can hold it off.

36:09🔗 Drew The testers go through in there too, right?

36:10🔗 Adam No. No.

36:12🔗 Dave Navarro No, there's some that do. I'm wearing one that does. It's about three months.

36:16🔗 Drew To train.

36:17🔗 Adam Are you kidding?

36:18🔗 Dave Navarro Yes, I am.

36:18🔗 Drew To train.

36:19🔗 Good.

36:20🔗 Adam But Dave, you're a weird guy.

36:21🔗 Dave Navarro But I like, I appreciate the fact that you had to ask if I was kidding or not.

36:25🔗 Adam Well, you're a hell of an actor.

36:27🔗 Drew Anderson just reminded me we have to call it penis ring.

36:29🔗 Adam Right. Well, I was trying to do that.

36:30🔗 Dave Navarro But you can say cock fights.

36:31🔗 Drew Yes, you can say cock fights and you can say C ring and you can say penis ring.

36:34🔗 Adam Right.

36:35🔗 Drew But whatever happened to your store? Oh, rings and lava lamps?

36:40🔗 Adam Yeah, I was going to open a store in a mall just called simply C rings and lava lamps. But then I was told by our program director, I could not say the C word on air. So I didn't want to open the store. But now the balls are not threaded through the C ring as far as I know, at least not traditionally.

37:00🔗 Dave Navarro I think there's some that incorporate the testicles. Yes. Just simply cut off the circulation.

37:04🔗 Drew The traditional penis ring worn by the kings of European royalty.

37:09🔗 Adam Right.

37:09🔗 Drew The traditional C ring. Right.

37:12🔗 Dave Navarro Some are purely aesthetically pleasing from what I understand.

37:15🔗 Right.

37:15🔗 Adam The ones that were depicted in the Old Testament, I believe had the balls of being threaded through them.

37:21🔗 Drew But the Aboriginal.

37:24🔗 I don't know if I like that.

37:25🔗 Drew I'm not. The Aboriginal C ring.

37:28🔗 Right.

37:29🔗 Adam Did not. I see. But here's what I'm asking. You wear this C ring at the base of your penis to keep the blood, and keep your penis engorged. So wearing one for six months straight would be near impossible. Right. Because as soon as you deflate it, it would fall off.

37:45🔗 Dave Navarro That's why it would be a problem.

37:47🔗 Drew Well, what if you could keep it erect all the time?

37:51🔗 Dave Navarro You wouldn't need the C ring.

37:52🔗 Adam Well, what if the C ring kept it erect for six months?

37:56🔗 Drew Exactly.

37:56🔗 Adam Is that possible?

37:58🔗 Drew I imagine something like that is, but it would be very damaging.

38:00🔗 Dave Navarro It would be somewhat like a prepus?

38:03🔗 Adam What is that? What is a prepus?

38:05🔗 Drew A prepus.

38:05🔗 Adam A prepus. Isn't that the forescan?

38:08🔗 Drew Yeah, it's forescan, basically.

38:09🔗 Dave Navarro No. What's the deal when the erection happens? It comes from a priapism.

38:13🔗 Drew Priapism.

38:13🔗 Dave Navarro Priapism. Wow, that was close.

38:15🔗 Drew It would probably be equivalent to priapism, which is that a prolonged erection, a painful erection can result in no erection.

38:21🔗 Dave Navarro It's a side effect from some kind of medication sometimes.

38:24🔗 Adam I'll tell you where the real damage would occur, the area surrounding the toilet in one's bathroom. As they try to relieve themselves with a full-blown erection. We've all got up in the morning and whizzed all over the magazine rack, and then all over that shag carpet you keep around the bowl, and all that kind of stuff. I mean, can you imagine urinating for six months, what that bathroom would look like?

38:49🔗 Drew It would have to, how would you?

38:51🔗 Adam Now, you just have to go, you'd have to...

38:53🔗 Dave Navarro You'd actually need a urinal at home.

38:54🔗 Drew Yeah, yeah. Which thankfully Adam has.

38:57🔗 Adam Yes, I do. Thank you.

38:58🔗 Drew In his garage.

38:59🔗 Adam Well, that's a man. I have three of them actually. Thank you. Dave Navarro is our guest. Trust No One is the name of the new CD, which is out on the 19th, and this one is called Rexall. There's Rex All Off A Trust No One, new Dave Navarro CD, which will be out on the 19th. And then that night on The Night Show with Leno, and then the 22nd on Conan. And also Jane's Addiction, Reunion, Reunion, Reunion.

43:22🔗 Dave Navarro The same day as Conan.

43:24🔗 Adam Is that when it?

43:25🔗 Dave Navarro Well, when we're doing, yeah, we're doing the Weenie Rust.

43:27🔗 Adam All right. All right.

43:28🔗 Drew Is that your first outing?

43:30🔗 Dave Navarro We did two shows. What was it? Santa Barbara that she saw us?

43:33🔗 Adam Right. Santa Barbara Bowl.

43:34🔗 Caller Santa Barbara Bowl.

43:36🔗 Dave Navarro I knew that was cute. Yeah, we did that. We did Coachella. And then, yeah, and then we got Weenie Rust New York, Weenie Rust LA.

43:44🔗 Adam All right.

43:44🔗 Dave Navarro And so we can call it the Weenie Rust, but we can't say Searing.

43:48🔗 Adam Right.

43:49🔗 Dave Navarro It's interesting. But it's the K-Rock Weenie Rust.

43:51🔗 Drew It's the seven words you can't say on TV that Richard, that Carlin, George Carlin invented.

43:56🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

43:57🔗 Adam Let's speak in a Dave Navarro. Carolyn has a question for him. Carolyn?

44:04🔗 Caller Adam and Dr. Drew, you guys are great.

44:06🔗 Adam Thanks.

44:06🔗 Dave Navarro Aren't they?

44:07🔗 Dave Navarro Dave Navarro, I think you're really awesome.

44:10🔗 Dave Navarro I think you're awesome too, Carolyn.

44:12🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you so much.

44:13🔗 Caller Thanks for calling. Why did you leave the Red Hat Chili Peppers?

44:16🔗 Dave Navarro I'm sorry?

44:17🔗 Caller Why did you leave the Red Hat Chili Peppers?

44:20🔗 Dave Navarro We just, you know what, we made a record together. We weren't coming from the same place musically. I think it's evident if you listen to that record. I think it's a good record. I don't think it's an amazing one. I'm proud of it. I think that it's obvious that we just have different schools of playing and after that album was done and the cycle of touring was done, it was just kind of time to move on. We gave it a try and that was that.

44:45🔗 Adam You're friends with everybody?

44:46🔗 Dave Navarro Absolutely. Yeah. Real good friends. Flea actually joined Jane's Addiction the past two shows.

44:52🔗 Caller Oh yeah?

44:53🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

44:53🔗 Caller Like I met Anthony Kiedis and John like back in August and Anthony was a jerk.

45:00🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. Well you know it depends on the... where was it?

45:02🔗 Caller It was like at 1 a.m. I was staying in the same hotel as them in Toronto.

45:06🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. Well that explains a lot. 1 a.m. in Toronto is kind of rough.

45:10🔗 Caller Yeah.

45:10🔗 Adam But listen, Carolyn, anybody can be a jerk at any given time and just like you can be a bitch depending on when we catch you, what happened, the events leading up to it and all that stuff.

45:21🔗 Drew You'd be shocked to find that Adam can be an a-hole once in a while.

45:24🔗 Caller What?

45:24🔗 Adam It is possible.

45:25🔗 Drew Once in a great while.

45:26🔗 Dave Navarro But I can guarantee you that he's not a jerk and it was probably the time of day.

45:30🔗 Adam I'm sure of it. All right, should we take a break? Who are we going to talk to when we come back, Drew? Heroin? No. What's the no, you want a heroin question?

45:39🔗 Dave Navarro I thought that we were going to do that in the break.

45:40🔗 Adam Oh, we're going to do heroin.

45:41🔗 Dave Navarro Heroin in the break.

45:42🔗 Adam And then we're going to talk about it. Dave Navarro is not a jerk, is here tonight and we'll be back after this. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Pennywise in here tomorrow night.

46:33🔗 Drew Oh, my God.

46:36🔗 Dave Navarro That is going to be fun.

46:37🔗 Adam Yeah, that ought to be a good time. And I have no idea why they're back, but they are back tomorrow night.

46:43🔗 Drew We have low self-esteem, as you pointed out.

46:45🔗 Adam Well, also, it was presented. I mean, Pennywise, when they did the show seven years ago, they left and the quote was, never again. Then, they did the show two years ago, and still the quote went back to, never again.

47:00🔗 Drew Why did we do that again? What was the matter with us? What the hell is going on here?

47:04🔗 Caller That's right.

47:05🔗 Adam And then, when it was presented to us three weeks to a month ago, we said, what the hell? But listen, here's the way I look at it. And I don't want to sound like I'm unselfish or trying to do good radio for a second, because I don't like our listeners for the most part. But I thought to myself, well, you and Drew will be uncomfortable when Pennywise comes into the studio tomorrow night, but the folks at home will probably enjoy it.

47:31🔗 Dave Navarro What transpires?

47:32🔗 Adam Well, the first time, it's mainly Fletcher from Pennywise.

47:37🔗 Dave Navarro I'm not familiar with Fletcher.

47:38🔗 Adam Oh, well, that's good.

47:39🔗 Dave Navarro I'll tune in. Really?

47:41🔗 Drew I don't know anything about it. Fletcher's about 6'8, 350, all hair.

47:44🔗 Dave Navarro That's a lot of fun.

47:45🔗 Drew That about right?

47:45🔗 Adam Yeah, he's a big guy.

47:47🔗 Dave Navarro Does that translate on radio, though?

47:49🔗 Adam Well, what he does translate on radio. He likes his drink. The first time he did all the projectile vomiting.

47:56🔗 Dave Navarro Really?

47:56🔗 Drew On people, on multiple people.

47:58🔗 Adam Right. Then the second time, he just kind of barricaded himself and us in the studio.

48:05🔗 Drew Threatened us with bowel feces.

48:07🔗 Adam Said we're going to Pooh Pooh City. We never actually arrived at Pooh Pooh City.

48:11🔗 Drew Because he got so violent and so sarcastic.

48:13🔗 Adam Right.

48:14🔗 Dave Navarro Well, it's not that bad.

48:15🔗 Drew That when the SWAT team.

48:16🔗 Dave Navarro It's not as bad as the first time.

48:17🔗 Drew The SWAT team filled the room here.

48:19🔗 Dave Navarro Right.

48:19🔗 Drew Yeah.

48:20🔗 Adam Well, not this room, though.

48:21🔗 Drew That this room next door.

48:22🔗 Adam Right. Could not get into.

48:24🔗 Drew Actually.

48:25🔗 Adam Get into this room.

48:25🔗 Drew That's when he claimed he had a grenade on him. As God is my witness.

48:30🔗 Dave Navarro That's exciting.

48:31🔗 Yeah.

48:33🔗 Adam I was not dead flustered by the whole thing. It really didn't bother me that much.

48:36🔗 Drew I had PTSD.

48:38🔗 Adam I told you. You're upset by it.

48:41🔗 Dave Navarro Did you try EMDR for that?

48:43🔗 Drew No. Am I going to try?

48:46🔗 Dave Navarro Give it a lot of way, aren't I?

48:48🔗 Adam Yeah. Why don't you bring some drugs in tomorrow night. In case I have to bite down on something. I'll keep it in my cheek. If all hell breaks loose, I'll just chomp down on it. Go to sleep. You can wake me up in the ER. Right. All right. Dave Navarro here. Don't Trust No One, name of the CD. Also 311 and Sum 41 coming in here a little bit later this week. And Dan.

49:13🔗 Hi.

49:13🔗 Adam Hey, you're 21. What's up? Hey, Dan.

49:15🔗 Caller How are you doing?

49:16🔗 Adam Good.

49:18🔗 Caller What's the cause? I'm an addict. I went to a psychiatrist for a consultation appointment and he told me that first of all that no psychiatrist would treat me except if it was in a rehab center. And the second thing he told me was that well he threatened to have me committed because he said I was slowly committing suicide.

49:44🔗 Drew Well I wish he could commit you. I don't know what the laws are like in New Jersey but if he can it possibly could save your life.

49:50🔗 Adam What's your drug?

49:51🔗 Dave Navarro Well the thing is, if he's going to see a psychiatrist for your disease, obviously you want help, right?

50:00🔗 Caller Yeah, but I...

50:03🔗 Dave Navarro You want it on your own terms.

50:05🔗 Caller Well it was that and I've kind of gotten a little bit brighter since then but I still have the issue that I started, were the reasons I started in the first place.

50:17🔗 Drew And that is nondoubtedly the case but nothing can be done for those until your heroin addiction is treated. You have a disease now and that clouds everything else and that requires inpatient treatment for many, for several weeks at minimum.

50:29🔗 Dave Navarro Absolutely.

50:30🔗 Drew And any psychologist or psychiatrist worth a damn would require that. No way this could be done as an outpatient and no way is individual therapy going to have much of an impact on this at this point.

50:39🔗 Adam Hey Dan, is your angle to work out the problems that got you into the heroin in the first place and then eliminate the need for the heroin?

50:48🔗 Caller No, I realize that I can't do it that way but I was hoping to get a head start because I'm... No.

50:54🔗 Dave Navarro I mean, it's not much of a head start that you can get. I mean, it is encouraging to see that you are looking somewhere for some kind of help but I would say that if you have the means, go to rehab man.

51:05🔗 Drew Check in. That's it. That is the only hope, Dan.

51:07🔗 Dave Navarro And I'll tell you something, it's like a 30 day vacation in a sense from like killing yourself. You can always get high afterwards.

51:14🔗 Adam That's a good point. They don't tell you that.

51:16🔗 Dave Navarro They won't. You can always get high. You don't always have a chance to save your life.

51:20🔗 Drew Heroin back guarantee.

51:21🔗 Adam That's right. Double your heroin back. I'll give you an even bigger balloon if you don't graduate.

51:26🔗 Caller And what about the other thing that he told me though?

51:29🔗 Drew About him committing you? I don't know what the... In California we couldn't do that. I wish we could. I swear to God there are times when I could have could save people's lives.

51:35🔗 Dave Navarro But you know what you think?

51:37🔗 Drew The grip of the biology of that drug is so profound.

51:40🔗 Dave Navarro Right, right, right.

51:40🔗 Drew If I could just get somebody locked somewhere for a couple weeks. And get them physically off, their brain is working differently at the end of those two weeks.

51:45🔗 Dave Navarro That's absolutely true.

51:47🔗 Drew But I don't think they can do that, Dan. I don't think they can. Not for very long.

51:51🔗 Adam Now's the time, Dan. You get into rehab.

51:54🔗 Drew It doesn't work as well as when you go on your own anyway. You got to want it and you want to go do it.

51:57🔗 Adam Alright, thanks a lot.

51:58🔗 Dave Navarro Alright, Dan.

51:59🔗 Adam Good luck. Let's talk to Craig. Craig?

52:02🔗 Hey.

52:03🔗 Dave Navarro Hey, Craig.

52:03🔗 Adam You're 16. What's up?

52:05🔗 Caller Okay. Um, uh, Drew, you're awesome. But Adam, I have to say, how dare you? Why? I've been home school all my life and you're always this not home school and stuff. But anyway, my question is this. Like, I'm home schooled and all and I wonder if that makes me screwed up enough to be a psychologist.

52:21🔗 Drew Oh, to be a psychologist. Interesting question.

52:23🔗 Caller Yeah. Like, you're always saying that, you know, you have to be really screwed up and stuff.

52:25🔗 Drew Hey, there's a book. Oh, I got a great book for you. What's it called? The, The Drama of the Gifted Child.

52:30🔗 Dave Navarro Great book.

52:31🔗 Drew And, uh, that's a good one for co-dependents like yourself, Craig.

52:34🔗 Adam It was banned from the home school library.

52:36🔗 Drew Go read that book and you see if that doesn't ring out what, what homeschooling has done for you and why you might be, be good therapists. Okay? Okay.

52:43🔗 Adam All right.

52:44🔗 Drew The Drama of the Gifted Child, you get the, what's your name? Miller, Miller there?

52:47🔗 Adam Look, just get your mom to sign you away a diploma and you can go right into practice, probably early next week. All right.

52:55🔗 Caller No, not scary homeschooling.

52:56🔗 Adam Oh, boy. Craig, what about the homeschooling? You like it?

53:00🔗 Caller Yeah, actually, I do.

53:01🔗 Adam Why? What got you into it in the first place?

53:03🔗 Caller Well, religious reasons mainly because I think my parents didn't really want me to have like the bad influences, you know, kind of thing.

53:09🔗 Adam Right.

53:10🔗 Caller But, you know, I still get to do a lot of stuff over at the high school, so.

53:14🔗 Adam Like what?

53:15🔗 Caller Like I get to swim for them and stuff.

53:16🔗 Adam Oh, you get to play on the team.

53:18🔗 Caller What?

53:19🔗 Adam You get to play on a sports team.

53:20🔗 Caller Yeah.

53:21🔗 Adam Well, that's interesting. I mean, I guess you could.

53:24🔗 Dave Navarro But aren't you going to get just as influenced in the locker room or around the team as you are if you go to a classroom?

53:29🔗 Caller Well, yeah, but I don't know.

53:31🔗 Dave Navarro No, Craig.

53:32🔗 Drew Drama of the gifted child.

53:34🔗 Dave Navarro You read it and learn.

53:36🔗 Adam All right. Well, they won't be clouding your thinking with all that Darwinism and all that other scientific nonsense, right? That's really the bottom line. The earth is 2,000 years old and get used to it. All right, Craig. Good times there, buddy.

53:54🔗 Dave Navarro Good luck to you.

53:54🔗 Adam And then what about college? Do you go to a religious college or?

53:59🔗 Caller I actually want to go to the Coast Guard Academy if I can't get into psychology and stuff.

54:03🔗 Dave Navarro It's still keeping with the water theme.

54:05🔗 Adam Right.

54:05🔗 Dave Navarro It's good. Extra curricular water activities.

54:07🔗 Adam Good times there, Craig. Is your mom your teacher? Yes. Could you imagine? Sitting home with your mom all day.

54:15🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. I think she's actually a porpoise.

54:19🔗 Adam Drew, could you imagine your mom sitting home with your mom?

54:22🔗 Drew You know, but that's all day. Not all moms are meant to be teachers. So maybe some moms would be fun to be, you know, they're sort of into it.

54:29🔗 Adam Todd?

54:30🔗 Yeah.

54:30🔗 Adam You're 20.

54:31🔗 Caller Yeah, how you guys doing?

54:32🔗 Adam What's happening?

54:34🔗 Caller Real quick, I'm actually a resident professional in body modification at a studio out here in LA. And for that girl with the clitoris thing, that takes like six months to heal and you can't have any sexual activities until exactly two months after you get it.

54:48🔗 Drew Oh, that's interesting.

54:49🔗 Caller Just to make sure.

54:51🔗 Dave Navarro Even with the lips?

54:52🔗 Caller Yeah, even with the lips.

54:53🔗 Drew For two months?

54:54🔗 Caller Two months.

54:55🔗 Adam Two months no lips or the hood. It's the same two months?

54:59🔗 Caller Yeah, it's the same anywhere in that region.

55:01🔗 Drew How about the males? Their piercings? Do they have the same kind of duration?

55:04🔗 Caller The males are different depending on the piercing that they get.

55:07🔗 Drew Prince Albert.

55:08🔗 Caller The Prince Albert, well it depends on who does it because there's a bunch of new methods out now where they don't actually use needles anymore. Instead we're using scalpels now.

55:15🔗 Drew Wow.

55:16🔗 Caller Heals a lot faster, you know.

55:18🔗 Caller So it's a lot more interesting. A bigger gauge, you know, healing faster.

55:23🔗 Drew And so how long on average?

55:25🔗 Caller About three weeks.

55:26🔗 Adam And when you do, you do a woman, you do clitoral stuff or hood stuff.

55:31🔗 Caller I was doing one two days ago.

55:33🔗 Adam And what are they in? Are they in an apparatus like a stirrups or anything?

55:37🔗 Caller In a regular chair. Dude with their butt slid all the way forward in the chair leaning back with their legs open. That's it.

55:44🔗 Adam And you just have a mag light in your mouth basically while you're working?

55:48🔗 Caller No.

55:49🔗 Caller It's kind of like a drop down light.

55:50🔗 Drew Minor lamp.

55:51🔗 Adam Wow.

55:52🔗 Caller Wow.

55:52🔗 Caller It's a pretty interesting thing.

55:54🔗 Adam Yeah. What's the big rage now, by the way?

55:58🔗 Caller The big rage in piercing? Yeah. Stretching.

56:01🔗 Drew Stretching? Making big loops?

56:04🔗 Caller The ears. Right. Because my appearance is pretty outrageous.

56:07🔗 Dave Navarro Getting to the what? The zero? Double zero?

56:09🔗 Caller Yeah. Well, I'm out to actually an inch and a half.

56:12🔗 Caller So.

56:13🔗 Adam A earlobe?

56:14🔗 Caller Yeah.

56:15🔗 Drew You're gay.

56:15🔗 Adam How long, please, Drew, how long did it take you to get that stretched out to an inch and a half?

56:21🔗 Caller I did it in six months. And then I went to jail, so I had to take it out.

56:25🔗 Adam Right.

56:25🔗 Caller And it shrank down to about.

56:26🔗 Dave Navarro He's going to hang himself with that.

56:27🔗 Adam The guys were like raping his ear.

56:28🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. It kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

56:30🔗 Caller It was just the.

56:32🔗 Dave Navarro It was a conference of the penis.

56:33🔗 Drew What do you get for the big earlobes? What does that do for you?

56:36🔗 Caller It's really good with the ladies. It's a conversation starter. Automatically, they just walk up to you and are totally impressed.

56:42🔗 Dave Navarro In some cases, it can be a conversation ender, I think.

56:44🔗 Caller Right.

56:45🔗 Adam That's a great way to start a conversation. What happened to you, Jerkoff?

56:49🔗 Drew That's the reason they come up to you? Sometimes, yeah.

56:52🔗 Caller I get the biggest response, actually, from older black women. Oh, really? They go crazy when they see that. They're like, Oh, my God, Todd, what did you do?

57:01🔗 Adam Oh, great. So you can date Aunt Esther. Fantastic. All right, Todd, what was your question?

57:07🔗 Caller All right. Today being Father's Day, I don't spend a lot of time with my dad, and I spent some time with him when we were talking, and he was telling me about some stories from my past that I had no recollection of. Like, when I was three years old, I was actually really physically abused by one of my mom's boyfriends.

57:23🔗 Drew That's where the impulse, we find that's where the impulse comes to do a lot of body modifications.

57:28🔗 Dave Navarro Re-claiming of the body, right?

57:29🔗 Drew Yeah, it's a reclaiming.

57:30🔗 Caller Yeah, because that's what I was thinking, because I mean, I'm pretty, like, I'm really tatted down for being twenty years old. I have about seventy-five percent of my body tattooed.

57:38🔗 Drew But isn't it interesting how that drive comes from somewhere? It gets wired into your brain by those physical abuse experiences, and then you just do it, and here you are talking very abstractly about it with us, yet the connection with those drives are sort of not available to your consciousness.

57:53🔗 Caller That's what I was wondering, because he told me about this big situation where he used to beat the crap out of it. I was like three years old, and he beat the crap out of me for wetting the bed, like leaving well-

58:01🔗 Dave Navarro Well, you were asking for it.

58:02🔗 Adam Yeah, now this was your mom's boyfriend, your stepdad?

58:06🔗 Caller It was, yeah, he was there for like, I guess, six or seven months.

58:09🔗 Drew That's just so awful. Do you have any impulses to hit kids or anything yourself?

58:12🔗 Caller No. I actually do have a son, and he gets treated great, because my dad, my real dad, he would never lay a hand on me, because he was really beat down when he was a kid. Right. He brought that over to where he would never be.

58:25🔗 Adam Where was he when you were being beaten around?

58:27🔗 Caller That's actually a funny story, because as soon as he found out, he went to this guy's work with like a 45, and he held it to his head and told the guy, I'm not afraid to pull this trigger, and if you ever touch my kid again, you're dead. Then after that, the guy took off. He was gone.

58:42🔗 Drew Nice guy.

58:43🔗 Dave Navarro It's still a pretty violent background.

58:45🔗 Drew Yeah. Right. I'm curious if he has any sexual fetishes or anything with this dude too, because that's the other thing that comes out of this sometimes.

58:52🔗 Caller Yeah. I have a lot of sexual fetishes.

58:53🔗 Caller Like what?

58:54🔗 Caller Just mostly bondage, dominatrix stuff. Yeah.

58:56🔗 Caller There it is.

58:57🔗 Dave Navarro But are you dominant or submissive?

59:00🔗 Caller I'm more submissive.

59:01🔗 Dave Navarro You know what? Because I find, you know, me too, more submissive.

59:04🔗 Drew What happens though, though, you may have a preference, but you still go back and forth between the roles, right?

59:10🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

59:10🔗 Caller Sometimes.

59:11🔗 Dave Navarro Let's see.

59:12🔗 Drew That's not my experience.

59:13🔗 Dave Navarro Well, because I've always had a problem inflicting pain.

59:15🔗 Caller Yeah, I don't have a problem inflicting pain, particularly what I do.

59:19🔗 Dave Navarro Well, yeah, absolutely.

59:19🔗 Adam Right. Yeah, you put spears through hoods.

59:22🔗 Caller Right. Yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't.

59:23🔗 Drew Todd, I'm going to ask you, you seem just like a great guy, so I'm going to ask you the tough questions that I'm trying to figure out.

59:28🔗 Caller Okay.

59:29🔗 Drew Given that you make that, we're all making that connection here between the physical abuse, the bondage, sexuality, and the piercing, and the rendering of piercing.

59:36🔗 Caller And then one more thing is addiction.

59:38🔗 Drew Well, let's keep addiction out of it because that's a different thing. The addiction piece is the rocket fuel behind what you're doing. You know what I mean? Because it gives you that much more thrill to all this. Yeah. But let's just take the recipe of being physically abused and wanting to pierce and wanting to give piercings and stuff. Do you think that it's a good thing, that somebody should help you contain those impulses to do all this to your body, and that would be better? Or somehow it's therapeutic for you to do all this? You understand the question I'm asking? The question I'm asking, Dave, I'll throw the question to you too, is containing these impulses that come from these early traumas a good thing?

1:00:18🔗 Caller I can't contain them mostly because I'll explode.

1:00:20🔗 Drew I understand. And finding other maybe creative ways of letting them out. Or is it therapeutic for you to do this stuff to yourself and other people?

1:00:27🔗 Caller Sometimes when I sit down for like a setting on a tattoo that's going to go seven or eight hours long, like the work I have done on most of my books, it's like real therapeutic. For some reason, it kind of makes me feel like I can handle more from handling that and dealing with that.

1:00:42🔗 Drew Is that in fact what happens or does it just feel that way?

1:00:45🔗 Caller Sometimes that's what happens and sometimes it just feels like that.

1:00:48🔗 Dave Navarro For me, the creative and the therapeutic process is always the best way to handle something like that and dealing with those kinds of issues. And I've always found that the actual modification or the sexual acting out, the piercing and so forth is more of a form of denial. It's more of a distraction.

1:01:06🔗 Drew Isn't it getting stuck in? It's a repetition compulsion of sorts? It doesn't get you out of...

1:01:12🔗 Dave Navarro Well, it takes you out of the head. You know what I mean? It would take me out of the head.

1:01:16🔗 Drew So it works in the moment.

1:01:17🔗 Dave Navarro It's an avoidance kind of a method.

1:01:18🔗 Drew So it works in the moment.

1:01:19🔗 Dave Navarro Absolutely.

1:01:20🔗 Adam But I mean, it's almost like a drug in that sense.

1:01:22🔗 Drew Yeah, yeah.

1:01:23🔗 Adam It's a form of escape.

1:01:24🔗 Dave Navarro And it's empowering. I mean, there's something that's empowering about it. I think that's why a lot of sexually abused people...

1:01:29🔗 Drew Well, the empowering is reclaiming the body, like you say. And one addict patient described it as, hey, I'm going to f myself up as far as somebody else fs me up again. I'm going to take it over myself and do it to myself.

1:01:41🔗 Dave Navarro And there's also, in sexual abuse, there's also that whole thought process of making yourself unattractive for future, you know, station.

1:01:53🔗 Adam All right. Yeah, but then you end up attracting a bunch of other people that were abused in a way, so you end up getting more tail.

1:02:01🔗 Dave Navarro But you also, at the same time, connect with those people on an intimate level.

1:02:05🔗 Adam Right. Well, in a way, it's a sort of, it's a non-verbal connection. I mean, you're walking around, you've modified yourself, you've marked yourself in a sense, you see someone across the bar has been marked, then you're brought together.

1:02:19🔗 Drew That's your kind of person.

1:02:20🔗 Adam Unless you're getting middle-aged black women, like our last caller was. John?

1:02:26🔗 Yeah, hi.

1:02:26🔗 Adam Hey, you're 40. What's up?

1:02:29🔗 Caller First off, a comment on that girl with the nymphomania. I am 40 and really getting in deep with a lot of, you know, old issues from my life. I've been in therapy, real therapy, for about four months now. And it's like, that sounds like, I mean, nymphomania to guys, you know, it sounds like fun and all that. And I know in the past, I've always felt like you're losing something, you're gonna give something up, you know, if you start dealing with your issues, you're gonna lose your edge or whatever, you know. And it's like, it's hard, but your life really does get better. And it's not like, you know, you get treated for that and you're never gonna enjoy sex or anything like that.

1:03:12🔗 Drew You're finally gonna be actually gratified by it.

1:03:14🔗 Caller Well, yeah, it's a deeper level.

1:03:16🔗 Adam Well, because you're not, you'll have a bottom. I mean, your cup could be filled.

1:03:20🔗 Drew That's right.

1:03:21🔗 Adam I don't mean, I mean it metaphorically, but I mean, any time, you know, any time you do want anything to sort of make yourself whole, whether it's, you know, getting a tat, doing some heroin or banging some transvestite, it's good. You're good for 20 minutes, but then there's tomorrow night and you got to do it again.

1:03:41🔗 Caller Right. I mean, I don't have any experience directly with that, but it's all vaguely similar and you're not losing anything. You know, it's just, it's...

1:03:53🔗 Dave Navarro Well, on the sexual tip, you're also kind of learning what's beautiful about it as opposed to using it for something to hide behind.

1:04:01🔗 Caller Well, yeah, exactly. You've still got...

1:04:03🔗 Dave Navarro The motivation isn't to run from fear. The motivation is to experience something intimate and beautiful.

1:04:08🔗 Caller Right. Well, it takes on so much more depth. Right. It just becomes incredibly deep and enriching. And I mean, you know, I don't know, when I was 20, that probably sounded pretty dull. You know, I don't know. I just remember, you know, when I was younger, you just always kind of felt like somehow you were going to lose your edge. You were going to lose... You know what I mean?

1:04:28🔗 Adam Well, you know, whatever... And thanks for the call, John. Drew, we've talked about this time and time again, but whatever it is you're working hard to avoid does not want to be... I'm trying to think of the word here, but does not want to be brought to the light.

1:04:46🔗 Drew Yeah, it will do anything. It will make you think all kinds of things as good reasons not to do it.

1:04:50🔗 Adam Right. You will call the therapist, rent a friend, and that kind of stuff, and you'll avoid... Whatever that part of you that's sort of controlling you and running you does not want to be brought to justice, does not want to read the books, does not want to sit in the therapist's office. It just wants to get high and get in the denial or engage in gambling or whatever addictive behavior it wants to engage in. So that's a pretty powerful part, and I believe it starts to subside as the years wear on. Maybe it loses its strength, maybe you get older, maybe you stop producing so much testosterone, maybe you get a little wiser, maybe it gets tiring. I don't know what it is.

1:05:28🔗 Dave Navarro Sometimes it just gets old. It just gets boring.

1:05:32🔗 Adam Yes, it rarely gets boring at 19 or 21 or 23, but somewhere in the 30s, hopefully, it gets boring, it gets old and you're looking for a change. The saddest people are the people that are like in their 50s and 60s and still knee deep in their ass. Then it's like, okay, well, you've just taken it to the grave at that point. Let's talk to Kimberly, who's 30.

1:05:58🔗 Dave Navarro Hi, Kimberly.

1:05:58🔗 Adam Hey.

1:05:58🔗 Dave Navarro How are you?

1:05:59🔗 Adam Good.

1:06:00🔗 Dave Navarro Hi, Dave.

1:06:00🔗 Dave Navarro Hi, Kimberly.

1:06:01🔗 Caller Congrats on your record.

1:06:02🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you, sweetie.

1:06:04🔗 Caller Hey, do you guys still do movie reviews, you and Johnny?

1:06:08🔗 Dave Navarro No, we don't.

1:06:09🔗 Caller That's kind of defunct, the bikini, huh?

1:06:11🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, it is.

1:06:12🔗 Caller Okay.

1:06:14🔗 Caller But you guys were good.

1:06:16🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you.

1:06:17🔗 Dave Navarro I really thought it was cute.

1:06:18🔗 Dave Navarro You seen anything good lately? How's Tomb Raider?

1:06:21🔗 Caller I haven't seen it, but I saw, I was dragged in to see Moulin Rouge and I was like, oh my God.

1:06:27🔗 Dave Navarro Musical, right?

1:06:29🔗 Caller Yeah, it was a headache.

1:06:30🔗 Adam I heard it was rich, visually.

1:06:33🔗 Caller It was a little trippy, but.

1:06:35🔗 Adam Yeah, not good though, huh?

1:06:36🔗 Caller I don't think so.

1:06:37🔗 Adam All right.

1:06:38🔗 Drew Music was good.

1:06:39🔗 Adam Drew, did you see it?

1:06:40🔗 Drew No, not yet. I've seen the trailers and heard the music.

1:06:44🔗 Dave Navarro That's all you need to see.

1:06:45🔗 Drew Yeah, I figure.

1:06:46🔗 Adam Hey, Kimberly, is that it?

1:06:47🔗 Caller No, one more question.

1:06:49🔗 Adam Sure.

1:06:50🔗 Caller Dave, happy birthday.

1:06:51🔗 Caller That's actually a good question.

1:06:52🔗 Adam Thank you.

1:06:53🔗 Caller I'm a psycho fan.

1:06:54🔗 Adam When's your birthday?

1:06:55🔗 Dave Navarro June 7th.

1:06:56🔗 Adam Oh, okay.

1:06:57🔗 Caller How old are you now?

1:06:58🔗 Dave Navarro I'm 24.

1:06:59🔗 Caller No, you're not.

1:07:00🔗 Caller You're 33.

1:07:01🔗 Dave Navarro 34.

1:07:03🔗 Caller Anyways, I'm such a spaz. Okay, hey, one more thing. Okay, are you going to do a solo tour? And if so, where and how can I come and see you? You're probably thinking, I want you to come and see me.

1:07:16🔗 Dave Navarro No, you know what? I'm thrilled to have you come and see me. At least somebody will be there. Well, we got Jane's Addiction coming up in August, and I think that's going to go to mid-September, and then hopefully sometime in the fall, October. Want to do The States?

1:07:29🔗 Caller I think that would just be so awesome.

1:07:30🔗 Dave Navarro Well, thanks. Yeah, I mean, I'm planning on doing it in the fall sometime, and you know, it's hard to plan that far in advance, especially when I have some things open-ended as Jane's Addiction happening, but it definitely will happen, and I will definitely see you there.

1:07:42🔗 Caller I saw you at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

1:07:44🔗 Adam All right. Oh, no. Hey, Kimberly, the CD is out the 19th, Leno the 19th, and Conan the 22nd, and when we come back, I want to talk to Jen, who's 12, had sex, might be pregnant. Oh my God. All right. We'll get into Jen after this. Hello.

1:08:05🔗 This is your radio. Love Line will be right back.

1:08:43🔗 Hey, everybody.

1:08:45🔗 Adam Hey, it's Pennywise. Pennywise, tomorrow night. You can hear them right now if you're listening to me and or the radio. That ought to be an interesting reunion. Dave Navarro is our guest tonight. Trust No One is the name of the new CD, which will be out coming up the 19th. And then also on the 19th, Leno and Conan on the 22nd. Of course, the Weenie Rose coming up and the Jane's Addiction, Reunion, Reunion, Reunion. So it's all good and it's always good to see, Dave, and really very insightful, very insightful, and very thought provoking as usual. Jen?

1:09:26🔗 Caller Yes?

1:09:27🔗 Dave Navarro Hi Jen.

1:09:28🔗 Dave Navarro Hi.

1:09:29🔗 Adam You're 12, huh?

1:09:30🔗 Caller Yes.

1:09:31🔗 Adam And you had sex?

1:09:32🔗 Dave Navarro Yes, twice.

1:09:34🔗 Drew How old was the guy?

1:09:35🔗 Caller 15 and 18.

1:09:37🔗 Drew Two different guys.

1:09:38🔗 Caller Yes.

1:09:39🔗 Dave Navarro How close together? How close together? Like, you know, the two guys. How much time elapsed in between each?

1:09:46🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, one was Saturday night and one was Wednesday night.

1:09:50🔗 Drew What's going on? What's going on?

1:09:55🔗 Dave Navarro Well, we had sex without a condom and I'm not sure if I'm pregnant or not.

1:10:01🔗 Drew Which night did you have the sex without the condom?

1:10:03🔗 Caller We had both.

1:10:05🔗 Adam And what grade are you in, by the way?

1:10:08🔗 Dave Navarro I'm going into seventh.

1:10:10🔗 Adam Oh, baby. And what's happening at home? Bad things?

1:10:16🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah, well, I used to get abused by my mother, my father and mother, but then they divorced and now my mother beat me and I went to a foster home for a bit and I came back but she doesn't beat me that much anymore.

1:10:30🔗 Drew Oh, not that much.

1:10:32🔗 Adam Is she abusing booze or something like that?

1:10:35🔗 Dave Navarro No.

1:10:36🔗 Adam She's not? Oh, boy. Hi. Hey, Jen? Yeah? So it's too late. Well, wait a minute. One was Saturday night, right?

1:10:47🔗 Dave Navarro Well, last Saturday.

1:10:50🔗 Adam Nine days ago or eight days ago?

1:10:52🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:10:52🔗 Adam Okay. So it's too late for the morning after pill?

1:10:56🔗 Drew For that one.

1:10:56🔗 Adam You're wondering if you're pregnant? And who are these guys?

1:11:01🔗 Dave Navarro Um, we met online.

1:11:05🔗 Caller Oh.

1:11:06🔗 Adam Yeah. Did they know how old you are?

1:11:10🔗 Dave Navarro Uh, yes.

1:11:11🔗 Adam Do you know how old you are?

1:11:13🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

1:11:14🔗 Adam Because it's going to be a real, I mean, we can get into the pregnancy and all that stuff in a second. We will. But if you keep going this way, Jen, it's going to be a real long unhappy life for you. You know what I mean? I mean, I know you're spinning around like a like a dreidel and your parents are horrible people and they dumped all this crap on your lap. But don't care. Don't keep the crap going yourself. And they did the abusing. Now you're going to abuse yourself, essentially. Do you know what I'm saying?

1:11:51🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:11:51🔗 Adam Do you hear the people that call this show that are a little older than you, 15, 16, 18, their lives are a mess?

1:11:59🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah.

1:11:59🔗 Adam Yeah. You don't want to end up that way, do you?

1:12:02🔗 Dave Navarro No.

1:12:03🔗 Adam Okay. So can you contain your behavior at all?

1:12:07🔗 Dave Navarro Um, I'm trying.

1:12:09🔗 Dave Navarro Can you remember the fear you're in now as a result of it, the next time you're thinking this way?

1:12:15🔗 Dave Navarro Um, yeah.

1:12:17🔗 Caller I guess.

1:12:19🔗 Dave Navarro I mean, because you're feeling pretty uncomfortable, right? And that's only a result of your actions here, which, you know, nothing we can do about now, but you can definitely not repeat them. You can pick up an EPT. You know what that is?

1:12:34🔗 Dave Navarro Um, no.

1:12:34🔗 Dave Navarro Early Pregnancy Test? Drugstore?

1:12:37🔗 Dave Navarro Oh. Um, I don't think I can, because I don't want my mother to figure it out.

1:12:43🔗 Dave Navarro Well, is there a way that you can get a whole, you got, you know, you can get a hold of one of those without your mother finding out. You definitely, you had sex without her finding out.

1:12:50🔗 Adam Right. You pulled that one off.

1:12:52🔗 Dave Navarro Oh, okay.

1:12:53🔗 Adam Hey, do you have to be, you don't have to be 18 to buy one of those, do you?

1:12:56🔗 Drew I'm aware of, no.

1:12:57🔗 Dave Navarro It's just like a little, it's like a little stick, and I think you put urine on it, and it gives you a plus or a minus, or depending on the brand. I got a bunch of them in the trunk.

1:13:08🔗 Adam Hey, Jen. Do you have anybody at school you can talk to, a counselor, anything like that?

1:13:15🔗 Dave Navarro No.

1:13:16🔗 Adam Anybody?

1:13:19🔗 Dave Navarro No. I had two counselors before, but they don't allow me to call them back.

1:13:25🔗 Adam What about the people you worked with, the ones who got you out of the house and into foster care? Is there anybody you can talk to there?

1:13:33🔗 Dave Navarro No. My mother threw away all of their numbers, so I don't have the numbers anymore.

1:13:38🔗 Adam And you say your mom is still beating on you?

1:13:41🔗 Dave Navarro Well, she doesn't beat on me that much anymore. It's very rare now.

1:13:46🔗 Adam Right.

1:13:46🔗 Dave Navarro But it still happens.

1:13:50🔗 Dave Navarro Very seldomly.

1:13:52🔗 Adam Do you have brothers, sisters?

1:13:55🔗 Dave Navarro No. I have only a child.

1:13:56🔗 Adam Do you have friends? Do you have any good friends?

1:14:00🔗 Dave Navarro Um, they're older, like in college and all.

1:14:04🔗 Adam You have friends that are in college?

1:14:06🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

1:14:07🔗 Drew Really?

1:14:08🔗 Adam You're going into the seventh grade?

1:14:10🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

1:14:11🔗 Drew How did you meet these people?

1:14:13🔗 Dave Navarro Excuse me?

1:14:14🔗 Drew I'm too overwhelmed by her calling.

1:14:16🔗 Adam Right. So where do you start? I mean, should she go down to Planned Parenthood?

1:14:20🔗 Drew Yes. Go down first. Let's take care of this pregnancy.

1:14:23🔗 Adam Can you go down to Planned Parenthood, Jen?

1:14:26🔗 Dave Navarro I don't think so.

1:14:27🔗 Adam I think you can.

1:14:28🔗 Drew Why not? Why can't you?

1:14:30🔗 Dave Navarro Because of my mother.

1:14:31🔗 Drew No. It has nothing to do with your mom. You can go and get treatment. It doesn't have to cost you anything and no one else has to know except you. Okay? That's what you need to do. Let's stay focused on one thing at a time.

1:14:43🔗 Dave Navarro I may ask my question?

1:14:46🔗 Drew Go ahead.

1:14:46🔗 Dave Navarro Okay. I was thinking of trying to get a miscarriage by getting punched in the stomach.

1:14:53🔗 Drew Yeah. That will do nothing.

1:14:54🔗 Adam That will do nothing.

1:14:55🔗 Dave Navarro You don't even know if you're pregnant yet.

1:14:57🔗 Drew But then if you get a punch hard enough, you'll rupture a viscous and you'll go in the hospital and then your mother will find out that you're pregnant. Yeah.

1:15:04🔗 Adam Yeah. And wouldn't you feel stupid getting socked in the stomach and not even being pregnant?

1:15:08🔗 Caller Oh. Okay.

1:15:09🔗 Dave Navarro Where do you live?

1:15:11🔗 Dave Navarro Virginia.

1:15:13🔗 Dave Navarro Virginia.

1:15:13🔗 Dave Navarro Springfield, Virginia.

1:15:15🔗 Adam All right. You need to contact Plan Parenthood.

1:15:17🔗 Drew Yeah. That's where you start.

1:15:18🔗 Dave Navarro Call information in Springfield.

1:15:21🔗 Drew 800-230-PLAN, P-L-A-N.

1:15:22🔗 Adam Can you write that down there, Jen? Grab your pen, please. Your Hello Kitty pen.

1:15:29🔗 Drew 800-230-PLAN, P-L-A-N. That's where you start.

1:15:33🔗 Adam All right.

1:15:34🔗 Is that for real? Yeah.

1:15:35🔗 Drew That's what she's asking. I mean, the whole thing is awful.

1:15:37🔗 Adam All right. And listen, Jen, please, please listen to the show, would you? And call us back and tell us what happened.

1:15:44🔗 Drew Can you stay in touch with her, guys?

1:15:46🔗 Adam Please. And don't go down. Don't go down the path you're going down, please. All right?

1:15:52🔗 Drew I don't know how we...

1:15:53🔗 Adam You're breaking Dave's heart.

1:15:55🔗 Drew Oh, okay.

1:15:56🔗 Adam All right. Oh, geez. I tell you, I'd really, speaking of punching the stomach, I just want to get hold of mom and dad. Just a good...

1:16:05🔗 Drew Working.

1:16:05🔗 Adam Just a nice working over. I could do it in one, just one big left hook, right in the kidneys there. They don't even realize what they're doing, and I'm sure mom was beat on by her dad, and so it goes. But I'll tell you, girls, we talk about this all the time, they're so much more fragile than guys. When this happens to guys, they end up getting in fights. They get into trouble, they beat up guys on the football team and that kind of stuff. But I mean, picture Jen, picture what the next five, ten years for Jen is going to be looking like. She needs to find help, she needs to find it today. Todd?

1:16:48🔗 Caller Hello?

1:16:48🔗 Adam You're 18?

1:16:49🔗 Caller Yeah, what's up?

1:16:50🔗 Adam What's up?

1:16:51🔗 Caller I guess my question is, I've been really good friends with this girl, probably my best friend for about six months. Tonight we just had sex and I was just wondering, we talked about it and we don't really seem to have romantic feelings towards each other, but I was wondering whether you thought that having a sexual relationship with a best friend necessarily will ruin the relationship or the friendship.

1:17:17🔗 Drew Well, at your age, usually the friendship develops because somebody has some sexual inclination or at least romantic inclination.

1:17:23🔗 Adam She's 18. How old is she?

1:17:26🔗 Caller She's 18.

1:17:28🔗 Drew Well, she's into it. She's just telling you she's not.

1:17:31🔗 Caller She... I'm pretty sure she's not. I mean, she's actually here, right here. She's... She's pretty not... I mean, I don't think she's into me.

1:17:39🔗 Drew Well, let us do it.

1:17:40🔗 Adam Let me talk to her.

1:17:43🔗 Dave Navarro There's a lot of things about this whole like, will it do this or that kind of questions that, like... No one's going to know the answer to that until it happens.

1:17:52🔗 Drew Until it happens already. What's your name?

1:17:54🔗 Caller Robin. Robin.

1:17:55🔗 Drew All right, Adam.

1:17:56🔗 Adam How many times you had sex with Todd?

1:17:59🔗 Caller Once.

1:17:59🔗 Adam Once. And that was just recently, right?

1:18:02🔗 Caller Yeah, it was tonight.

1:18:03🔗 Drew And that's because he slipped and fell into her vagina.

1:18:05🔗 Adam Was it good?

1:18:06🔗 Caller Um, it was all right.

1:18:07🔗 Adam Uh-oh. All right with him listening is a very bad sign. And where did you meet Todd?

1:18:15🔗 Caller School.

1:18:16🔗 Adam And how long ago was that?

1:18:18🔗 Caller Um, I've known him since like seventh grade, so a long time ago.

1:18:22🔗 Adam And were you initially interested in him?

1:18:25🔗 Caller No, I actually hated each other.

1:18:27🔗 Adam All right. But when you did finally come together, uh, was either one of you interested in either one of you?

1:18:34🔗 Caller No, I don't think so.

1:18:36🔗 Adam What brought you together from hating each other to best friends then?

1:18:39🔗 Caller Well, we hated each other in like seventh and eighth grade, and then we became friends.

1:18:43🔗 Adam Yeah.

1:18:43🔗 Drew What brought you together?

1:18:44🔗 Caller Uh, we had classes together.

1:18:45🔗 Drew No. What brought you together?

1:18:47🔗 Adam What about all those other people in your class you don't hang out with?

1:18:49🔗 Caller I guess.

1:18:50🔗 Drew Who you didn't hate?

1:18:51🔗 Caller I don't know.

1:18:52🔗 Adam Your sense of humor?

1:18:53🔗 Caller Yeah.

1:18:53🔗 Adam Or possibly sense of denial?

1:18:56🔗 Caller Okay.

1:18:56🔗 Adam All right. So if you're not attracted, you're not attracted to Todd?

1:19:00🔗 Caller I don't have like emotional feelings for him, no.

1:19:03🔗 Adam You just have, you have physical feelings toward him?

1:19:06🔗 Caller Yes.

1:19:06🔗 Adam And that's why you slept with him?

1:19:08🔗 Caller Yes.

1:19:09🔗 Drew I thought you didn't have, you weren't attracted to him.

1:19:13🔗 Adam You like him as a-

1:19:14🔗 Dave Navarro From the very beginning, there's been an attraction.

1:19:16🔗 Drew Of course. Of course. She won't admit it though.

1:19:18🔗 Adam All right. So what's up, Robin? Your dad abandon you or something?

1:19:22🔗 Caller No, he didn't.

1:19:23🔗 Adam All right. Have you had any boyfriends?

1:19:25🔗 Caller No.

1:19:25🔗 Adam Why not?

1:19:26🔗 Caller I don't know.

1:19:27🔗 Adam Well, what do you think that is? I mean, you know, young lady, 18, no boyfriends, how come?

1:19:33🔗 Caller Couldn't tell you.

1:19:33🔗 Caller I have no idea.

1:19:35🔗 Drew Wouldn't it be nice if Todd would be that, be sort of breakdown and get into a relationship with you?

1:19:39🔗 Caller I don't think that would work.

1:19:40🔗 Drew You're fat. Why not?

1:19:41🔗 Adam Drew, please, why not?

1:19:44🔗 Caller I just think it would be a bad idea.

1:19:47🔗 Caller He did not treat his girlfriend well.

1:19:50🔗 Drew But if he did, in the magical world, if he did?

1:19:54🔗 Caller Still, I don't see it working.

1:19:56🔗 Drew Why is that?

1:19:58🔗 Adam Why? But you just said the reason you don't want to make this a relationship is because of his track record with women. He doesn't treat women well.

1:20:06🔗 Drew Meaning he leaves them.

1:20:07🔗 Adam But if he treated you nicely, wouldn't it be a nice relationship?

1:20:12🔗 Caller In theory, sure, yes.

1:20:13🔗 Adam Okay.

1:20:14🔗 Dave Navarro And she hasn't had a boyfriend since what, you know, ever? Is that what you're saying?

1:20:17🔗 Caller Yeah, ever.

1:20:18🔗 Dave Navarro And you've known this guy since seventh grade?

1:20:20🔗 Caller Yeah.

1:20:20🔗 Dave Navarro And you've been attracted to him ever since? And that's why you haven't had a boyfriend?

1:20:24🔗 Caller So you think I've been in love with him since seventh grade?

1:20:26🔗 Dave Navarro Well, you know.

1:20:27🔗 Adam Maybe not love, but you're into the guy.

1:20:30🔗 Dave Navarro The whole hating each other thing is whether you like it or, you know, think so or not. It is an emotional reaction to somebody.

1:20:37🔗 Adam I wish someone would have hated me when I was in high school, besides guys and faculty.

1:20:42🔗 Dave Navarro It's an extreme reaction to another person and it's misguided love.

1:20:47🔗 Adam Yeah.

1:20:48🔗 Drew Envy.

1:20:49🔗 Caller Well, is there a suggested course of action here?

1:20:52🔗 Drew Yeah, well, Robin, the course of action is be honest, Robin.

1:20:55🔗 Adam Wait, yeah, she just went from no interest at all to, hey, Cupid, what do we do?

1:20:59🔗 Drew What do I do?

1:21:00🔗 Adam All right, just be honest.

1:21:02🔗 Drew Robin, you must be honest here. This is ridiculous. You're going around in this denial about how you feel about this guy. And if you do not open with him about what you're feeling and with yourself, you're going to get badly hurt and this obviously isn't going to go anywhere. And you're afraid if you're open with him, you're going to lose the friendship, too. Well, the friendship is just there so you can cling to those feelings.

1:21:20🔗 Adam Right. You're scared you're going to scare him away in general if you don't sort of play along with him.

1:21:27🔗 Drew Or worse yet, you'll get into a relationship and he'll leave. It's all bad if you're honest, but it's all bad if you're not honest.

1:21:33🔗 Adam I'm still curious about Robin though. Family intact. Where's dad? What's he do?

1:21:38🔗 Caller He's a lawyer.

1:21:39🔗 Adam Lawyer. Aha.

1:21:40🔗 Caller Aha.

1:21:41🔗 Adam Aha. So he's never around.

1:21:44🔗 Caller Not really, no.

1:21:45🔗 Adam Workaholic, right?

1:21:47🔗 Caller Yes.

1:21:48🔗 Adam Always. Didn't pay enough attention. Bought you stuff but not there.

1:21:52🔗 Drew You fill out the profile of someone that would behave the way you're behaving.

1:21:56🔗 Caller Okay.

1:21:56🔗 Drew Okay.

1:21:57🔗 Adam So let's put Todd. Can Todd pick up the other line?

1:22:00🔗 Caller Yeah.

1:22:00🔗 Caller Hello.

1:22:01🔗 Adam All right. Todd? Yeah.

1:22:02🔗 Caller What's up?

1:22:02🔗 Adam Okay. Here's the deal with Robin. Yeah. She likes you. All right. It's not just a platonic thing with some fringe benefits. She's 18. She's a female. She wouldn't mind having it be more than that. What do you think about that?

1:22:16🔗 Caller I think that would definitely ruin our friendship.

1:22:19🔗 Adam See? Okay. So Todd's not interested.

1:22:21🔗 Dave Navarro Right.

1:22:21🔗 Drew That's why she's afraid of it.

1:22:22🔗 Adam Hey, Todd. But you got to be straight up with her. You give a rat's ass about ruining the friendship.

1:22:27🔗 Dave Navarro I know.

1:22:28🔗 Caller She's like one of my best friends.

1:22:30🔗 Adam No. That's just a company line you're towing. That's nonsense. You're not interested in her as a girlfriend.

1:22:38🔗 Caller I'm not. But I honestly don't think she's interested in me as a girlfriend.

1:22:41🔗 Adam Okay. She is. But here's the deal. What do you care about the friendship? If you're interested in her as a girlfriend, the friendship could be damned. I mean, when's the last time you said, well, I'm really attracted to someone and I'd like them to be my girlfriend, but I can't because it'll ruin our friendship?

1:22:56🔗 Dave Navarro Yeah. Probably never.

1:22:57🔗 Adam Never. And you're never gonna.

1:22:59🔗 Dave Navarro And the truth is that some of my best friends are ex-girlfriends.

1:23:02🔗 Adam Right.

1:23:03🔗 Dave Navarro It doesn't necessarily mean that it's gonna be ruined.

1:23:05🔗 Adam You could be her boyfriend, but you don't want to be. You're not into it.

1:23:10🔗 Drew Yeah, that's fine.

1:23:11🔗 Caller Let's say, though, I don't want to be her boyfriend.

1:23:13🔗 Adam Right.

1:23:13🔗 Caller I won't. Let's just say that happens, right? And then let's say, hypothetically, that she did want to be my girlfriend, which I'm not saying is true, but if that was true, then we're still not gonna go out.

1:23:26🔗 Drew That's fine. Then you work through that as friends.

1:23:28🔗 Caller Okay.

1:23:28🔗 Drew And you get through that. And let her get on to have a boyfriend with somebody else.

1:23:32🔗 Caller You probably should not, like...

1:23:34🔗 Drew You're not into it. You should not be dishonest with your feelings either, but you should help her get a boyfriend. She should be a good friend. You should be very supportive. She'll appreciate you being kind to her.

1:23:41🔗 Dave Navarro Probably shouldn't be having sex with her.

1:23:42🔗 Drew You should not be having sex with her. That is not okay. That is not okay that's gonna harm her.

1:23:46🔗 Dave Navarro Right.

1:23:47🔗 Adam And as much as she says it's okay, she doesn't mind, there's no problem, she does. It affects her whether she wants to admit it or not.

1:23:54🔗 Caller You really think so?

1:23:55🔗 Dave Navarro Yes.

1:23:56🔗 Adam Absolutely. Sorry, Todd, but you could get a BJ once in a while. I think that will be fine emotionally.

1:24:03🔗 Caller That's not an unexpected reaction from you, Adam.

1:24:07🔗 Drew Alright, Todd.

1:24:07🔗 Adam Alright, we'll take ourselves a little break. Dave Navarro here. We'll hear something off the new CD after this.

1:24:15🔗 Love Line will be right back, so get your problems ready. Ready.

1:24:49🔗 Adam Hey, everybody, Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Drew. Pennywise in here tomorrow night. That ought to be an interesting affair. 311 and some 41. Also coming up this week, Dave Navarro is coming to the studio with a revelation.

1:25:06🔗 Dave Navarro I just need to ask a friend of mine something. Sure. PH, will you please swing by the bakery? You have 15 minutes.

1:25:13🔗 Adam That's nice.

1:25:14🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you.

1:25:14🔗 Adam Using our show as his own personal paging system.

1:25:18🔗 Dave Navarro You know, it's like I have 15 minutes.

1:25:19🔗 Caller Come on. That's fine.

1:25:21🔗 Adam And we're going to repay Dave by playing something off the new CD, Trust No One, which is out on Tuesday the 19th. This one is called Hungry. There you go. Hungry, that is another good one, off of Trust No One, Dave Navarro's latest CD, which again will be out coming up this Tuesday on the 19th. Also, find him with Jane's Addiction in a town near you over the summer, right?

1:29:18🔗 Dave Navarro That's correct.

1:29:19🔗 Adam All right.

1:29:20🔗 Dave Navarro August to September, I believe.

1:29:22🔗 Adam Yeah, that's gonna be a good show. Yeah. And we'll see you at the Weenie Roast, of course.

1:29:28🔗 Dave Navarro Absolutely. I wouldn't miss it.

1:29:30🔗 Adam All right. So, you can't...

1:29:32🔗 Dave Navarro I just don't have a choice, actually.

1:29:34🔗 Adam Hey, Allison.

1:29:35🔗 Caller Oh, hey.

1:29:36🔗 Adam Hey, you're 20. What's up?

1:29:37🔗 Dave Navarro Hi, Allison.

1:29:38🔗 Caller You know that thing you said that the only cure for AIDS is not to get it? Right. There's a commercial on TV and it says the only way to get rid of debt is to get out of it.

1:29:49🔗 Adam The only way to get rid of debt is to get out of it?

1:29:51🔗 Caller Yeah. I thought it was funny.

1:29:53🔗 Adam Yeah, I don't like those obvious isms.

1:29:55🔗 Dave Navarro That's clever.

1:29:56🔗 Caller My question is, my friend, she's 19, she had a kidney transplant a few years ago. I'm not exactly sure how many years. She's been drinking and I was wondering if that could affect the kidney.

1:30:08🔗 Drew Alcohol? Not really. It may raise her blood pressure a little bit. It might change her medication, depending on what medication she's on.

1:30:14🔗 Dave Navarro It's more a liver issue, isn't it?

1:30:16🔗 Drew More liver, but it's not a good thing. Let's put it that way. It's not like she's doing cocaine, which would be a very bad thing.

1:30:21🔗 Caller Yeah.

1:30:21🔗 Adam Why is that bad for the kidneys?

1:30:23🔗 Drew Again, it's more about the medication. They have to take to prevent rejection than it is the kidney itself.

1:30:28🔗 Caller Okay.

1:30:29🔗 Drew But it's not a good thing. Not a good thing, okay?

1:30:31🔗 Caller Okay, thanks.

1:30:32🔗 Caller All right.

1:30:32🔗 Adam Yell at her, all right?

1:30:33🔗 Caller Okay.

1:30:34🔗 Caller All right.

1:30:34🔗 Dave Navarro Take care now.

1:30:36🔗 Adam Denise?

1:30:36🔗 Caller Hi.

1:30:37🔗 Adam Hey, you're 23. What's up?

1:30:38🔗 Caller I am. I'm 23. I've been married for three years. My husband has hepatitis C, which we discovered shortly after our baby was born.

1:30:47🔗 Drew Is he an IV drug addict?

1:30:49🔗 Caller He was for a brief time, but I'm pretty sure, we're both pretty sure, he contracted it through tattoos. Both of his tethers were home made guns.

1:30:57🔗 Drew Oh, that's interesting, but he's an IV drug user. IV drug addicts get hepatitis C.

1:31:01🔗 Caller He did use a few needles at one point in his life.

1:31:04🔗 Drew Hey, Denise, people don't use just a few needles, okay? That never happens like that.

1:31:08🔗 Caller He's been sober for six years. I've been sober for five. It's non-issue now, but...

1:31:12🔗 Drew I understand, but IV drug addicts get hepatitis C. That's how you get it. You don't have to worry about anything else.

1:31:18🔗 Adam Leave the guy in his stigma alone. Say he got it from a prison tat, so he can save some face.

1:31:23🔗 Drew He's still minimizing his...

1:31:25🔗 Caller But the point is, it doesn't matter how he got it, it's that he hasn't now.

1:31:27🔗 Drew Right, that's correct.

1:31:29🔗 Caller He hasn't now, and I could be at risk. My question was, is I've had three different opinions on how easy it is to contract it sexually. We know about the blood issue, and we're very careful about that. We don't care if there are toothbrushes, combs, nothing. But I've heard there's a 3% chance, I've heard there's a 7% chance, I've heard there's an up to a million percent chance.

1:31:49🔗 Drew And no one knows, Anise, that's why you're getting so many opinions. I have seen cases where I'm convinced there was sexual transmission, but it's relatively uncommon.

1:31:56🔗 Caller Now, the day before yesterday, he was using his fingers to please me sexually, and while he was extracting his finger, he scratched me pretty hard with his fingernail and caused an abrasion. So I don't know what the, if there's an increased chance of...

1:32:10🔗 Dave Navarro There's no membranous part of his finger.

1:32:13🔗 Drew There was no fluid coming out of him, so we've got to let that heal. But listen, here's my bigger concern is, why is he not having his hepatitis C treated?

1:32:20🔗 Caller He is. He's just now, we had took a while. We found out through a blood donation.

1:32:27🔗 Drew Yeah.

1:32:27🔗 Caller That he got this virus and we had no insurance. And we kind of, I hope he's... By the way, I gave you a false name, not to insult you, but there's a reason why. We had to pretty much lie to get coverage.

1:32:38🔗 Drew All right. But did you, do we know what his viral loads are now, his viral titers?

1:32:43🔗 Caller His, I think it's the white blood cell count.

1:32:46🔗 Drew No, no, no. They should be able to tell you that his viral, actual viral load may be way, way down.

1:32:50🔗 Caller Yeah, it's about three times higher than it should be normally.

1:32:54🔗 Drew No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The actual viral, just like with HIV.

1:32:58🔗 Caller I personally can tell you.

1:33:00🔗 Drew Okay. And if he gets it properly treated, his viral load will go down essentially to nothing and hopefully will stay that way. So then he will not be infectious.

1:33:07🔗 Adam They sound like a lovely couple. We'll take a break.

1:33:10🔗 Drew We'll be back.

1:33:46🔗 Adam Oh, hey, everybody. Well, that's it. Press No. 1 is the name of the CD, out the 19th. Dave Navarro, thank you very much.

1:33:53🔗 Dave Navarro Thank you for having me.

1:33:54🔗 Adam Always, always a pleasure. And come back and visit us anytime you see us.

1:33:59🔗 Dave Navarro I'll be happy to.

1:34:00🔗 Adam And until next time, Pennywise, tomorrow night, everyone. Until next time, Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew, saying Mahalo.

1:34:06🔗 Caller I saw you at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

1:34:09🔗 This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management sponsors for this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Engel. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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