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Voiceover
For an adult audience, Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, Coast to Coast.
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Adam
Hey, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, fax number, 310-8-5-4-4-4-5-5, Dr. Drew, Board Certified Physician, Addiction Medicine Specialist. All right. We are happy and excited to bring back to the show Poe because we have missed Poe. Poe was on the show last two years ago? No, more. More? I think more.
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
It was the last one. Because then I was on earlier. She was a weekly visitor. Yeah. You don't remember?
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Adam
I'll tell you, this is going to be flattering because it feels like a long time, which is good.
2:50🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, it's true. You were counting the minutes. I know. It's so long. You said, got it fast. I don't even remember.
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Adam
Done and done. Mark, her brother, who is a writer and a poet and everything. You guys do everything, right?
3:38🔗
We look like artists, don't we?
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I was a plumber for a while.
3:43🔗
Adam
Yeah, but that's when he was a struggling artist. That's before he arrived. His authored a book which is called House of Leaves, which is too thick for me. I can never read all of this.
4:01🔗
Yeah.
4:01🔗
It's about a house that's bigger on the inside than the outside and the family that lives there.
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
Well, imagine you went home and you found out that all of a sudden there was a hallway in the middle of your living room that hadn't been there before, and you can't see it outside, but it goes for miles.
4:20🔗
Really?
4:21🔗
It is?
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
People get lost. I mean, everybody deals with that discrepancy differently, you know? The children sort of have fun in there. The wife denies that it's there, and the husband hires a team to explore it. And, you know, ultimately it, I mean, it lives on a lot of different levels. It's like, kind of, on the simplest level, it's like you can be sitting right next to somebody and be thousands of miles away from them. And it kind of manifests that idea and tells you that story.
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Adam
All I know is my name is somewhere in this book, and so is the word Jack Hole, which is the word for the shimmy coin.
5:03🔗
Exactly.
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Drew
Why the interesting structure? What is that? What happens? There's a peculiar structure to the book.
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It's actually a cinematic design. It's designed to slow you down, to pace the reader's experience through the book.
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So chapter 9 is very convoluted and it slows you down. Then chapter 10 has one sentence per page. Yeah, it's my kind of chapter. Chapter 10.
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Adam
Well, that's interesting. I'm a guy who doesn't read and doesn't like to read, but I know, Drew, you read a lot and each page, you don't look at a lot of pop-up books like I do or stuff with a lot of pictures of cars. I like seeing pictures of cars and trains.
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The next book.
5:49🔗
Adam
Drew, if you read a book like this, and this is probably why you'll not read it either, but you'll be stuck on a plane one day and you'll take a look at this. We're not doing one of your Scantron sheets. Absolutely. It's interesting in that it forces you to break your cadence up because that's the way it's laid out. You can't just speed read through it. It's interesting.
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Then you should listen to Haunted while you're reading it.
6:15🔗
But it's true because the CD actually talks to the book.
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Yeah.
6:20🔗
Adam
All right. Well, we'll hear at least two cuts off of that tonight. I promise. All right. So everything's good.
6:33🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Well, we're looking to be on the road probably in the next three or four weeks. Unfortunately, we don't have set enough dates because plans keep changing. Right. To plug them now, but I'll come back.
6:43🔗
All right.
6:47🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
But I came back, didn't I? Well, I got lost in a house with a big hallway.
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Caller
Well, about a year ago, I met this girl and I lost my virginity to her. And we kind of dated off and on once or twice and then just stopped seeing each other for different reasons. And then about a year later, about three months ago, she had written me an email and it was just kind of a thing saying, I may not see you again, but you'll always be my friend or something like that. And so I just gave her a call to see how she's doing and things like that and then she wanted to go out and hang out and so we went and hung out.
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Oh, well...
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Caller
Sorry. Well, we started dating again and about two days ago, she told me that she, after we broke up the first time, that she had sold her body for money.
7:40🔗
Adam
I mean, maybe it was some... You mean like prostitution or a science experiment? Sushi. No. Yeah, for how long did she do this for?
8:10🔗
Adam
Yeah, it's not too lightly. I mean, because we always do the math. Like when you, we always put a zero behind whatever number you give us. Twice a week, it's 20. Four times a week, 40 and so on and so forth. Perfect. Yeah. John? Yeah. You're a 20-year-old guy going out with this semi-cookey 17-year-old who you lost your virginity to not too long ago. What's up with you? You lost your virginity at 19. You're still clinging to this young chick you lost your virginity to. Why can't you sort of get on with things?
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Caller
Well, I did. She just emailed me one day. I just wanted to see how she's doing. She started dating again.
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Yeah.
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Drew
Oh, yeah. So John is a nice guy and a truly available guy, so she's got to sabotage that relationship, make sure it really sticks a good stake right through the heart of this relationship and ends it.
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Why?
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Drew
Because she can't tolerate real intimacy. She can't tolerate closeness. And the closer you get, the more chaotic she's going to feel and going to act out.
9:35🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
And it's very tempting also to chase somebody like that. For him. Yeah, that can be extremely addicting. You're going to save the damsel in distress and she's going to let you know just enough to make you believe that you can save her.
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
Yeah. I think maybe you pay her and then it's a done deal. No, I'm kidding. I'm sorry.
10:01🔗
Drew
I don't know that we should be advising specifically what you should do, but you should have your eyes open. You should know what you're dealing with here.
10:07🔗
Adam
All right there, John. Listen, a 20-year-old guys can't forget that kind of stuff. He's going to say, honey, I forgot all about it, and then he's going to get drunk a week later.
10:19🔗
Adam
Come on, chicky. You get some credit or I got to go to the ATF. You can't forget that stuff. At 20, it will never work. Drew, what if you heard that at 20?
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Yeah.
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Caller
Yeah. I have a weird abnormality in my hormones. I was born eight weeks premature, and I didn't really go to doctors as much as a kid. I would get sick a lot in the doctor's office.
11:08🔗
Caller
Yeah. A lot of doctors couldn't explain what was going on. And I started a new doctor about two years ago, and he ran a lot of blood tests, and he discovered that my body produces large amounts of female hormones as well as male hormones. So I'm producing a lot of progesterone and estrogen and testosterone.
11:32🔗
Adam
Why does a guy get overweight when he gets the estrogen and progesterone and that kind of stuff? Oh, you mean that's causing it.
11:59🔗
Caller
When it comes to this, I have a couple questions. Because the doctor I'm dealing with has never really dealt with this before. And he's trying to pawn me off on other doctors.
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Drew
It's not pawning up. Unless he's a reproductive endocrinologist, he shouldn't be going any further with this.
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About 6 foot.
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What was that?
13:01🔗
Adam
Are you shooting a douche commercial or are you trying to lose weight? Please. Rollerblading. How dare you? That's no way for a man to lose weight. Rollerblading.
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Drew
He needs to get a trainer and a nutritionist or a dietitian and after 12 weeks of that, see if he can really get something changed.
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Adam
Drew, would there have been any answer that you wouldn't have objected to though when he was going to tell you?
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
When we were on tour, he was jumping rope every morning. I was impressed.
13:42🔗
Adam
You can take that rope on the road with you, and you can do it all in about 10 minutes and be a sweat in your little fan.
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It's hard work.
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Drew
It kills me when people say, I exercise. You should follow me through my day. I exercise so much every day. I go up and down the stairs of the office.
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
The problem is, yeah, you wish it all added up at the end of the day, but 15 seconds at a time doesn't work.
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Adam
No, but you know, it's weird and it's not fair. But, you know, I worked construction for 13 years with a bunch of fat guys who were on their feet all day, carrying lumber and drywall up flights of stairs. You'd think these guys would look like bodybuilders. Now, I sit around the man show with a bunch of fat guys. But they're no fatter, the writers at the man show, you know?
14:39🔗
Adam
They sit at a computer all day snacking, and these guys would be driving nails and carrying lumber all day. They didn't look any different.
14:47🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
There's something hidden under that construction worker. Belly that is muscle and strength.
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Adam
You're better off going real hard for like six minutes, than you are going soft for 40 minutes.
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Drew
Yeah. That part of it, it's the kind of lifting they're doing and the fact that they will be better condition, but they'll eat to compensate for what they're burning off.
15:36🔗
Adam
What do they play in Boston? Like, bum, bum, bum, bum. I mean, they play like hockey themes or Johnny Boy or what do they... Do they have different stuff in different cities?
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George?
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Yes.
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Adam
And what's up with all our phone lines where everyone's calling from a payphone in a subway tonight?
16:00🔗
Nothing. I'm on my cell phone. Question, Dr. Drew. Hi, guys. For the past couple of months, and I'm really, really healthy. I've never really needed to go to the doctor. I don't take medications, never done drugs. Perfect health. I've been having blackouts at any time, and they start by me having severe pain to my right side around my temple, the top of my head, followed by a blackout on my right eye and trembling on my right arm. And I lose sight for about, I don't know, I really couldn't judge it, but anywhere from minutes to about 10, 15 minutes at a time.
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Yeah, believe me, yeah.
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Well, you gotta work and you gotta do what you gotta do.
16:50🔗
Well, okay, here's the thing. I went to a doctor and I haven't gone to him since. He's back in China. When I went to the doctor, he told me that at first it could have been a sign to Parkinson's disease.
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Drew
It's any of a hundred different problems, all of which are quite serious. And the fact that you're driving with this mortifies me. You're not only gonna kill yourself, you're gonna kill someone else. Right. This is some sort of seizure disorder, probably. And God knows what's causing it. It needs a thorough neurologic workup, but it needs to happen immediately.
17:30🔗
Adam
Yeah. And listen, if you don't take us with you, buddy. I think that's what Drew's saying, right?
17:37🔗
Adam
Well, I mean, I feel bad for him, and I want him to get help, but I don't want him to go across the center line and take out a family in a minivan either.
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Drew
Plus, there's been lots of traveling. There's things like cysticercosis and things you can get tapeworms in the brain, all kinds of wild stuff you can get.
18:11🔗
Drew
No, it gets in the food, then you get a tapeworm set up and then it releases an egg into your system and there you go.
18:20🔗
Adam
Now, do they embrace the tapeworm in Mexico? Is that part of the culture or they try to eradicate that too?
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Hi.
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Caller
He used a condom. Like, first we weren't using condom and then he put one on. And then I guess he wanted to go again, so we didn't use one again. And my friend was telling me that I could get pregnant off pre-ejaculation.
19:50🔗
Adam
Hold on. Is there a lot of difference between likely and highly likely if you really break it down? No. You know what I mean?
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Adam
I know, but you can't narrow it down between likely and highly likely because it's about the same thing.
20:03🔗
Drew
Yeah. It's possible. Here's the deal. And you should have been taking that morning after pill if you really thought that there was a possibility.
20:23🔗
Adam
All right, baby. Well, listen, these are reasons why you shouldn't be having sex at 14. You know what I mean?
20:33🔗
Adam
Well, listen, I was an idiot when I was 14. I thought, I really did think I was going to be a pirate astronaut at 14. I know I've said that a few times and it's not a joke.
20:59🔗
Adam
But the point is, is, you know, you're 14 years old. We would say that's too young for sex. And this is why, because you're not doing the things that are appropriate with them.
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Caller
I don't know. All my friends said, like, they made it this huge deal. So I was like, hey, I'll try it.
21:42🔗
Drew
Yeah, because, Kevin, this sounds more like the need for arousal and distraction. This is what addicts do. Is alcoholism your family?
21:51🔗
Drew
Yeah, that's what you've got to watch out for. That's what this is the beginning of. This is about alcoholism and addiction. And I'm telling you, that's the road you're going down right now.
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All right.
22:15🔗
Adam
Let's all just stay home and wait to die. Think about the utopia we'd be living in. Right.
22:29🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
That's true. With piles of garbage out on the street that nobody's picking up, the place would get smelly.
22:51🔗
Adam
We're going to take ourselves a little itty bitty break. When we come back, we'll speak to Maria. Yes, Drew, you want to speak to Maria? Sure. Okay. She's lost all sexual desire. We'll make fun of her after this.
23:37🔗
Hey, Loveline.
23:39🔗
Adam
I'm Adam Corolla. That's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Poe is our guest tonight. Mark Z. And I'm gonna try to not screw your last name up. Danielewski.
23:55🔗
Adam
Yeah, who's Poe's brother? Interesting that Poe is the world's simplest name. And the world's most complicated name.
24:01🔗
Drew
Do you remember when you first met, Mark? Yeah. He was sitting in the corner over there.
24:16🔗
Adam
Poe and Mark are a very close brother and sister team, because you guys have been sort of out on your own for a long time, right?
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Ann Danielewski (Poe
Yeah, true. Since we were pretty young. And also, as very little kids, we traveled a lot. We moved from country to country like crazy. And so what kind of my dad was making documentaries. So we lived in Africa for a year, India for two years.
24:37🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Yeah, I mean, we were a gypsy family. And in situations like that, you can't really afford to have the same kind of sibling rivalry because, I mean, he was the only guy I could hang out with. So we, I think that kind of made us very close early on. And we kind of figured out a lot of that sibling stuff of how to navigate those waters, you know, and sibling rivalry could actually be good, you know, like he would write something and I would get competitive, but rather than take it out on him, I would write something. And then we just kind of go back and forth. And the book and the CD reflect a lot of that because ultimately, they're talking about the same history in very different ways, you know.
25:15🔗
Adam
I had the same sort of competitive spirit with my sister. I'd, you know, I'd get a C in a class, she'd pull a D, she'd get the D, I'd go for the F. I got the F, she dropped out of school. I kept going. It's like the martyr syndrome.
25:37🔗
Adam
I don't know. I don't know what my next loser move is going to be. Terrorist. I'm thinking heroin, perhaps. Maybe some kind of bizarre fast food shooting spree or something like that. I don't want to confine myself. Only my options open.
26:01🔗
Adam
I don't know. I'm sure her and her team are hard at work. After we speak, plotting their next loser-esque move. Haunted is Poe's new CD, and we're going to hear a song off it that has Mark and your father on it?
26:15🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, no, no. It's actually just Mark on that one. That was just a crazy remix that we did.
26:21🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, no, no. My father's voice is all through the album because he died in 1993 and later I found these cassettes of him. One was a letter that he was actually speaking into a tape recorder to his children, which is very strange because after somebody dies, to press play on a tape recorder, and the first thing he says is, well, it's nice talking like this. I'm going to do this more often.
26:58🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Over, there were many. I mean, as far back as when we were like two years old, to that particular thing was probably in about 88.
27:08🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Well, it was incredible actually because the tapes had so many different tones. Like he was very much the quintessential teacher slash critic, but it was very hard to connect with him intimately. He could always tell you what to do, but he couldn't really in some ways relate to you. So there was one that was a speech that he'd given when he was a teacher that was just quintessentially him, you know. It's a beautiful idea, but it doesn't work. You know, like that kind of a dominating voice, which was definitely something that lingered in my head and it sometimes was paralyzing. So, you know, I discovered that by listening to him over and over again, I could locate his voice in my psyche and distinguish it from my own, which allowed me to kind of decide what I wanted to keep. And ultimately, you know, the hardest tape to listen to was a tape that where he said all the beautiful things where he says, you know, I'm proud of you. I miss you. I love you. And those were not words that I heard a lot from him growing up.
28:12🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, he was actually in this country. No, he actually never sent that one. That's what's so crazy about it. It was sort of like discovering something that.
28:22🔗
Adam
And he was going to or had sent many of these tapes back to you wherever you were at the time.
28:30🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, I mean, he may. I never got a tape from him. I think Mark did get one letter. But it wasn't something he did all the time. It wasn't like he taped some random things. Like there were some moments when it was just a family hanging out in a car when we were two to four and he's speaking to us. And like I said, there was a speech, there was a letter, but it wasn't as though there were thousands of these things. And it wasn't a habit of his. I mean, I didn't receive his sets in the mail. It was strange, actually, because I had a, I actually had a dream that he, which is bizarre. If someone's passed away that you're close to and you have a dream about them, it's kind of disturbing because my dad in particular had been sick for about a year and a half and we took care of him. So all these conflicting emotions come back. Number one, it's like, you're dead. I went through that. I don't want to go through that again. Okay, but if you're healthy, maybe I'm glad you're alive. And he said, you're forgetting my voice, right? And it was one of those dreams, like I couldn't shake it for like three weeks. And the only thing I figured I could do was go out to the storage facility that my brother and I had rented to keep the rest of his belongings and just started rifling through his stuff. I mean, old letters. I discovered a lot of things about him, about his past, and with a degree of objectivity. You know, I was like discovering the life of a person and not just my father, you know, which was incredible. And I found, you know, ultimately these cassettes. And I took them and it was funny because I was sitting down to make this album after touring for two and a half years going, okay, where do I begin? And that's where I needed to start, you know. I mean, there's lots of things. Oh, capitalize on your fan base, you know, where are the hits? It's like, of course, that stuff's gonna come in. And I took a long time making the record, but I don't regret it for one minute, you know, because I followed that voice, you know, and it did liberate me to understand him.
30:24🔗
Adam
All right, well, now I think you wanna hear it, you wanna take a call and hear the song? How do you wanna do it?
30:42🔗
Yes, hi.
30:44🔗
Caller
I'm 21 and I'm a virgin by choice. And I've been in a mysterious relationship for like a year now. And my boyfriend and I, I think I'm ready for sex now.
31:03🔗
Caller
Yes, I'm ready for sex now. And but I've tried but I don't, I never get the urge, you know, I just, when I see him, when I'm like kissing him, whatever, I just never feel wet or, you know, I never feel the urge of like just having sex.
31:16🔗
Drew
Well, one of the things that shuts people down is some sort of sexual trauma in childhood. Has that happened to you?
31:23🔗
Drew
Because it's sort of one of two trajectories people get sent off in, either they've become hypersexual or undersexual.
32:11🔗
Caller
Yeah. We've been together for a year now. And I think, I mean, it's time for us to have sex.
32:23🔗
Caller
I don't know. I hope, I hope that's the reason because I feel there's something wrong with me.
32:33🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Is he pressuring you to have sex? Is he saying, hey, we need to have sex now?
32:36🔗
Caller
I feel I need to have sex now because I'm growing older and I don't want my stuff to close up.
32:52🔗
Caller
When he tries to come in, it's so hard and I'm very dry. And it's so painful. I just push him up.
32:58🔗
Drew
Because you're not around. Yeah. But one thing you don't have to worry about, it's not going to seal up. Okay.
33:16🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
I don't know if this is good advice, but why don't you get together with your boyfriend and... Well, no, no, no. Because you're probably not... Yeah, watch a movie.
33:26🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Yeah, maybe it'll get you going and then you'll feel more comfortable and you'll remember a gratifying experience and be turned on the next time you see him. You know what I mean?
33:44🔗
Caller
Of course they don't like it. I grew up not being allowed to have sex. Even the fact that I want to have sex right now is just because I've been with him for a year and he's like, let's start.
33:58🔗
Caller
Yeah, I feel that I'm not supposed to be doing this, but because of you kind of thing, I have a full guilt in me.
34:06🔗
Adam
All right, baby. You got a lot of ambivalent feelings going on a lot of stuff. And it doesn't seem like you're much in love with this guy. How old is he?
34:21🔗
Adam
All right. All right. All right. At twenty one, you're supposed to still have some sort of bubble that has been burst out about me.
34:35🔗
Adam
Okay. Listen, watch some porn, have a few wine coolers and get it over with, would you? Don't get pregnant because you're moving on from this guy.
35:17🔗
Adam
There's certain people that we talk to them every night, don't we? Actually, the vast majority of our callers, they act like they're aliens who are dropped down on the planet, trying to sort of assimilate and find their way.
35:43🔗
Adam
When someone honks and they're behind you, should you move? What do they mean? It's like, I don't know how we can infuse that much knowledge into somebody in three minutes. I just say, but you know what the scary part is? I think they're all much happier than I am. Oh, sure. Well, that's not hard until I realize my dream.
36:11🔗
Adam
We will hear something off Poe's new CD, Haunted by Mark on this one too. You queued up there, Anderson? It's called Hey Pretty.
36:30🔗
Caller
Cary suggested we go for a drive in our new two-door BMW coupe. In the parking lot, we slipped into our bucket seats. Cary took over from there. At nearly 90 miles per hour, she zipped us up to that windy edge known to some as Mulholland, sinuous road running the ridge of the Santa Monica Mountains, where she then proceeded to pump her vehicle in and out of turns, sometimes dropping down to 50 miles per hour, only to immediately gun it back up to 90 again. Fast, slow, fast, fast, slow. Sometimes a wide turn, sometimes a quick one. She preferred the tighter ones, the sharp, controlling jerk, swinging left to right before driving back to the right, only so she could do it all over again, until after enough speed and enough wind and more distance than I've been prepared to expect, taking me to parts of the city I rarely think of and never visit, I heard her say, I can't remember the inane things I started babbling about then. I know it didn't really matter. She wasn't listening. She just yanked up on the emergency brake, dropped her seat back, and told me to lie on top of her, We never even kissed or looked into each other's eyes.
39:49🔗
Adam
Yeah, there's something from Poe and Brother Mark. Off of Haunted, which is a post-CD. I was listening to that song. I was very mesmerized by the whole thing. I was thinking the whole time, this would be great in a movie. Yeah. Just seemed right.
40:34🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
You know, I never forgot it. I still, obviously, we haven't. Oh, good. Okay. Well, then there's still time. I'll work on it.
41:20🔗
Caller
This is Chino and Stefan from Deaf Homes, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.
41:42🔗
Adam
Is her brother, who's always with her and on the CD as well, and also author of the book House of Leaves, which is thick, but some of the pages don't have too many words on it, and I just saw a picture. Oh, you ran in. I think it's something that could be gotten through by a lot of our Loveline listeners and perhaps even some of the callers. All right. So shall we hop back to the phones and see if we can sort out the world's problems? We'll march back to the phones. Leila.
42:34🔗
Drew
There's increased risk of Down syndrome, that sort of thing, and birth defects. But that's it.
43:21🔗
Drew
No, it just to me, it means something like the marriage is going down. They're gonna try to salvage it with this.
43:29🔗
Caller
Well, yeah, my parents had their like fights along the way. And then, you know, they just came to me in February with this. I was like, oh, okay. Wow. All right.
43:52🔗
Adam
Yeah. I kick them around the house a little bit. I take it all dirty. I help them off. I don't handle a kid.
44:02🔗
As far as my sister is concerned, they really don't care. As long as my mom is doing OK, they are fine with it.
44:10🔗
Drew
Well, at 12, it was a little difficult to really abstract these kinds of things. They take it much more at face value.
44:30🔗
Caller
OK. Well, my girlfriend, like after she's done giving me a blowjob and like a calm in her mouth, she tries to kiss me afterwards.
44:54🔗
Adam
And when you say shortly afterward, what do you mean? Does she take a trip to the bathroom or is it before the bathroom break?
45:48🔗
Hi.
46:01🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
There is a band we might go out with, but the problem is we don't know for sure yet, so I'm not going to say.
46:09🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
I'm sorry. Well, you asked. I want to say, but we can't because there's still another band and we're not totally sure, so I'd rather not jinx it.
46:19🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Just check the website, poe.com or the fan site, polishchic.com, which is even better.
46:26🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Because I said in an interview once, I'm a Polish chick that sings, and so they made a website, which is really awesome. I found out that I was going to do Loveline on polishchic.com.
46:35🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Before my label told me anything. Nice. If you check that out on the web, that will have the info immediately. We should know within about a week.
46:55🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
We'll say yes for the sake of argument. I don't know. Anything's possible.
47:43🔗
Adam
We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Yep, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. It's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Mark Z. Danielewski is here. Also, Poe is here tonight. Haunted is the name of Poe's new CD. If you go to poepoe.com, you can find out the possible touring plans and things like that. Well, here's something else off the CD. Also, House of Leaves is the name of the CD that Mark...
49:10🔗
Adam
Well, you guys are doing so much cross-pollinating. Jesus Christ, I can't keep anything straight anymore. Because Mark is also found on the CD as well. With passages from the book.
49:28🔗
Yeah, I've been listening since about Poor Man. I have to say, Adam, you're the best host the show has had. Most entertaining.
49:37🔗
Nine or 10.
49:39🔗
So the show has had a lot of influence on me and helped me with a lot of stuff.
49:43🔗
Drew, you definitely do a service. And no one ever thinks Anne. And Anne has to be thanked for all her work over the years.
49:51🔗
Yeah.
49:59🔗
I read How to Weave a couple of months ago, and I just noticed before you mentioned that the songs, at least that one that you just played a few minutes ago, is pretty much right out of the book. And how you came up with that concept to do songs in the book. And I think is the album kind of like almost started more like that to go along with the book?
50:17🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
All the songs integrate with the book, you know, more in terms of image like the Five and a Half Minute Hallway is a song, it's also a chapter in the book.
50:26🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
No, you don't. They're siblings, they live on their own, do you know? But that's the only one that Mark actually reads on and that was just a remix we kind of did at our house, my house.
50:38🔗
Caller
The way it worked was that while I was writing the thing, I was always listening to stuff that my sister was working on and when I wrote the chapter on the Five and a Half Minute Hallway, she read it and then she took it into a completely different emotional direction and then when I listened to her song, it sort of influenced me in the way the book was shaped. And so the book and the CD kept talking to each other. And so when we went on the road...
51:02🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
And he just does things too. It goes the other way too. Like he wrote some stuff into the book, you know, from ideas and so on.
51:15🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Yeah, we did a tour, believe it or not, of Borders Bookstores and brought a DJ with me. And basically to spend the time and talk a little bit about how, you know, like how a certain song came about and then read passages from the book that it integrates with. And, you know, we just had the idea at that point to have to drop some verses out of some of these songs and have Mark do readings. And then, you know, basically we weren't getting any radio. And so I had the idea of recording him at my house and sent it to a friend in Portland, Oregon. And three weeks later, Mark was driving down the street and heard himself on K-Rock. Like, how did this happen? And that's kind of how it ended up. And now we've stripped that mix onto the CD.
52:03🔗
A friend of mine, where I work, had it. And I mean, it's definitely, there's nothing else like it. It's pretty, it's incredible, but it's some work. I know it took me like a week to read it.
52:14🔗
Which is, you know, but it's a...
52:18🔗
It's pretty different. And it's, so I know there are like some places where 25 pages took me like four hours to get through.
53:31🔗
Drew
Well, he could be checked for chlamydia and gonorrhea and non-gonococcal causes of STD, and herpes would show up within 10 days usually.
54:03🔗
Adam
Oh, that was my kid's sister. Ironically, my sister's name is Lauren. Robert, you're living in North Hollywood?
55:22🔗
Caller
No. But he- I think he's doing it with his co-worker and she always calls when my mom is gone. Like when she's at work and has other things to do that are previously scheduled. And I've heard some conversations that my stepdad has had with her and just like little things and it sounds like they've got something going on.
55:58🔗
Caller
He's verbally abusive and I don't know, over the past few years, my mom married him when I was like seven. Yeah. When I was seven and at first he kind of stayed out of my life, but recently he's been like punishing me like really extremely harshly. And we just-
56:17🔗
Caller
One of my friends, I smoked a cigarette, just one cigarette because I used to smoke. And with one of my friends, I know I'm not allowed to see him anymore.
56:25🔗
Adam
You understand and again, I don't want to sound like pops Corolla, but parents or even step parents disciplining their kids is not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, he shouldn't be-
56:41🔗
Adam
I know, but that's a load of crap. It really is. I mean, your dad is God knows where. This guy married your mom, he stepped in, he tried to form a family, and it's like just because you guys don't have the same DNA, he can't talk to you. Meanwhile, he puts a roof over your head and food in your mouth.
56:58🔗
Caller
No, he's like he has got anger management problems and he'll just start- I don't know.
57:15🔗
Caller
No, she kind of had a life, well, a little bit. This guy, he just never, I don't think he's ever had a beer in his entire life.
57:30🔗
Caller
How do you get along with him? He's kind of cool, but no, he's not someone that I want to have any kind of serious relationship.
57:46🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Is there anything about this stepdad that you like? Have you had any good times with him?
57:52🔗
Caller
No. No. We've always had kind of like a weird relationship whenever like my mom's not home and I'm home and it's just me and him.
58:00🔗
Drew
I suggest that if you're going to tell your mom about what he's been up to, you have your case carefully built.
58:07🔗
Adam
I got to tell you, this guy sounds like the kind of guy who could have you killed. He could cut the brakes on your 10-speed or something.
58:15🔗
Drew
Well, certainly he could slime his way out of almost anything other than some super incriminating like a tape recording of his.
58:23🔗
Adam
Let me give you all just a little window into my personal life here. I've had two step parents and they're all right. Stepdad was better. Stepmom was a pain in the ass when I was growing up.
58:44🔗
Adam
Well, I was more banished to the garage, but I wasn't really disciplined. But it's weird when you have the stepparent that you don't know that well, and you don't like that well, and Lord knows they ain't nuts about you because you're just that pain in the ass from the last relationship. I mean, you're a physical-
59:01🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
They want to be in love and with the person that they're with, and you got the, hey, yo.
59:05🔗
Adam
You're like the physical representation of the last bitch dad was with, and vice versa when the stepdad is around. So you're not their problem, and you don't like them, and they don't really like you. Then when you're left alone in the house with them, you're walking around this house with somebody that's a little weird.
59:28🔗
Adam
Like each one of you wants the other just to clear out, basically. It's not great, but I can tell you a couple of things we get on this show, which is a lot of guys who have really bad biological dads, then stepdad comes in, and all the energy that should have gone toward real a-hole biological dad gets channeled toward stepdad. You're not my boss, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, meanwhile, real dads are peddling dine bags in some park in Georgia. You know what I mean? This is the guy you should have your beef with. Stepdad may not be a great guy, but at least he's there. At least he's present, and at least he's trying to create some form of, some sense of family.
1:00:09🔗
Caller
I mean, it seems difficult, but one good approach is just to find out more about your stepparent. Just ask questions. The more you know about them, the less sort of a screen they're going to be to project all those awful garbage on. So just find out, you know, really who they are.
1:00:27🔗
Adam
For banging their secretary. I suggest just the opposite, which is, Mark's right on paper, but my thing is just lay low. Just go to high school. Just get out. Go play sports afterward. Hang out at your friend's house. Just stay out of this guy's crosshairs. Just don't get on his bad side. Stay, if he's got rage or anger management problems, stay out of the guy's face. Just go to your room, do your homework and get up in the morning, go to school and don't come home till 6 o'clock at night.
1:01:06🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Anyone that you can build a trusting relationship with, even if they're older, would be cool.
1:01:13🔗
Adam
The other thing about step-parents is unlike real parents, once you're out of house, you're done with them. They're not your real parents anymore.
1:01:20🔗
Adam
You'll never have to talk to them again. So you make it to 18, you go off to college somewhere, you'll never talk to the guy again.
1:01:37🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Can I just say, I always love the way that you tell people how old they are. So definitively, Jessica, you're 24. That's their question.
1:01:46🔗
Adam
It's a rhythm, and the less thinking I have to do, the better on the show. But I realize when you're listening to the show-
1:01:55🔗
Adam
Let me say something. How dare you, by the way, barge into my studio after two long years in a love affair that ended without so much as a phone call or an email. Now, here's what I want to say. This is a syndicated radio show, and on most syndicated radio shows, they tell you where the caller is from, but not how old they are. And where they're from is just a bit of a jackoff to me. It's so everyone knows you're widely syndicated. But we don't get into that because it doesn't really matter to us.
1:02:23🔗
Adam
You have problems, and they're going to be the same as they are on the East, as they are on the West Coast. But to age, I'm always curious when I listen to other shows how old this person is, because if they're pregnant or the boyfriend, they lost their virginity or whatever it is.
1:02:44🔗
Caller
Okay. The reason I'm calling is that just recently, I've been married to my husband for five years, and just recently, a couple of weeks ago, my husband told me that he had an affair two years ago. It wasn't an affair. It was like a one-night stand type thing two years ago. I really don't know why he told me.
1:03:10🔗
Caller
In other words, I told him he's either a real idiot or he's doing something right now.
1:03:19🔗
Adam
Well, if he's doing something right now, I don't know why he's bringing up the past affair.
1:03:33🔗
Caller
I don't know. He kind of has a problem telling the truth a lot of times. I don't know if there's something else because he always tells me this is the only thing, you know, whatever.
1:03:48🔗
Caller
Well, let's see. The fact that well, before we were dating, when we were just dating before we were married, he forgot to inform me that he was married before, but I thought, well, you know, I was kind of stupid.
1:04:04🔗
Caller
Yeah. Well, you know, I thought, well, maybe, you know, whatever. He just thought that...
1:04:11🔗
Adam
Well, listen, you don't have to rationalize every move. You were dumb and he's an idiot. Go ahead.
1:04:15🔗
Caller
So anyway, and then just recently, I found out he was communicating with this ex, and supposedly there was maybe some kid that might be his, might not be. He signed off on papers. Oh, so that was like a few months ago. And then now this.
1:04:35🔗
Caller
Well, actually, I've been a long, that's how long I've been married, almost five years.
1:04:51🔗
Caller
Oh, it was fine. It was until this. That's it. He's not here anymore. I kicked him out and I've already filed for divorce. I just was wondering why.
1:05:23🔗
Adam
She made a mistake. She was blinded by love. She got hooked up with the wrong guy. She realized this guy was a sociopath.
1:05:31🔗
Adam
Smart enough not to start a family with this guy. He screwed up more than once and she booted him out, and you can move on with your life now.
1:05:38🔗
Caller
Right. Well, I have another question also. Do you think I need to have some kind of counseling to just?
1:05:44🔗
Drew
I think it'd be a good idea for a couple of reasons. One is to help get some closure on what's going on here. Secondly, to figure out what it is that attracts you to someone like this. And thirdly, help you.
1:06:24🔗
Drew
And the other thing is why you've had difficulty seeing reality on reality's terms. What's your denial about and why you don't see things more clearly before they come and really hit you between the eyes. How did he react when you kicked him out?
1:06:37🔗
Caller
Well, that was kind of another weird part. He's just kind of like 20 minutes after he told me, he's all like, well, we need to decide how we're going to split up things.
1:07:00🔗
Drew
Something's going on and that you need therapy to figure out why you have difficulty seeing people for what they really are.
1:07:04🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
And you should be happy that you're free. You're in law school, you're smart, you got your whole future.
1:07:09🔗
Adam
Relatively, yes. And listen, this guy's a sociopath, he really is. And when sociopaths do things that seem noble. No way. I just want to tell you it was eating at my conscience. This guy doesn't have a soul. No, she's waiting out in the car, for Christ's sake. She's at some motel somewhere. I mean, obviously he wanted out and the fact that he didn't argue with you or anything, he's like, pow, how are we going to end this?
1:07:36🔗
Caller
He's manipulating her into thinking that she should be responsible for his confession.
1:07:41🔗
Adam
Right. This is a guy who wants to get fired, so he goes to the boss's office, takes a cramp in his desk drawer. Then he's like, well, I got fired.
1:07:55🔗
Yeah.
1:08:21🔗
Adam
Well, as we learned a few weeks back when we did our ecstasy show, you don't know what you're getting, really.
1:08:39🔗
Drew
The stuff that you're getting that being masquerading is actually not going to kill you.
1:08:45🔗
Drew
I don't know. I'm sure it'll be a few weeks. But listen, how did it go down? Did he have seizures or what happened?
1:08:55🔗
Drew
I would predict that either this is an alcohol overdose just made worse by ecstasy or he took something else also.
1:09:37🔗
Adam
You can drink all night, but as far as your body goes, as far as being poisoned by alcohol, doesn't change.
1:09:42🔗
Drew
In fact, cocaethylene is formed by the alcohol and cocaine together, and the cocaethylene is cardiac toxic effects.
1:09:51🔗
Adam
You do coke, you start drinking twice as much as you normally would because you're not really feeling the effects and you end up poisoning yourself from alcohol.
1:10:01🔗
Adam
Right. Now, with X, doesn't happen. could you get high and just drink more and not really feel it too?
1:10:16🔗
Drew
That's right. Or I could tell him more, if you can find out more about what happened, what it looked like when he was dying, I could tell you more about what's happening.
1:10:37🔗
Drew
Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Absolutely. But find out exactly what it looked like. Did he have seizures? Did he have hyperthermia? Did he have unconscious? Was he agitated? And that information I can help sort of theorize what happened.
1:11:14🔗
Drew
Jared, think about the insanity, the insanity of your thinking. The insanity of what you're thinking right now. Just step back a couple feet.
1:11:29🔗
Drew
He's just a little too much of a heavyweight, but as I've got it right now, you cannot judge these things.
1:11:42🔗
Adam
I mean, you're called to pick our brain to find out whether it was okay for you to keep going.
1:12:03🔗
Adam
Jesus Christ. Listen, I don't, you know, I really respect the guy who's got a problem and just can admit it. I'm sort of okay with that. I'm not going to pass too much judgment on a guy who says, look, I'm into these drugs and I'm 23 and I'm sorry, but I'm young and I'm stupid and I got a boner. And I'm going to do them for another few years. And I'm willing to take that responsibility. This guy was picking our brain to find out whether it was okay if he kept doing it.
1:12:28🔗
Drew
He was figuring out from what we said how to rationalize his bone behavior. Not whether you continue, not what he would do, but how to rationalize what it is he does.
1:12:38🔗
Adam
Yeah. And he was hell bent on going forward and just wanted to know if the guy got hold of something bad or whatever. That's nice. I'm glad we could be a part of that.
1:12:49🔗
Adam
Yeah. We should hand out clean syringes to Drew. We'll take ourselves a break. We'll be right back.
1:13:34🔗
Adam
Yeah! Loveline. You know, Matt Stone of Matt and Trey, South Park guys, came over to my house, played basketball two Saturdays ago, and the guy's got some game.
1:13:52🔗
Adam
No, no, cause I got some game too. But he's got some game. I'm always surprised when the artistic types have some game. You'd be surprised. They're out there.
1:14:17🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
It hurt. I mean, it was painful. I came back. I've never been the same since. I got trip over things. It's really sad.
1:14:24🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
In one summer. I went from the little gymnast to like the tall gangly thing.
1:15:14🔗
Adam
What you want and what you get, two different things, you know. I don't mind petite though. I don't mind that. I just never had any petite girlfriends. I date, um, three hundred plus. But I want petite. But petite to me is, you know, 250, 245. In the two range.
1:15:43🔗
Caller
On the subject of petite women, well, last, it would have been Friday. Not to mention older women. But I guess we were just having an intercourse. And my brother always said, if you want to learn sex, have sex with an older woman and she'll tear you up in bed. And I think that's what happened.
1:16:48🔗
Adam
Nicholas. Yeah, that's a little guy who follows you around. You got to tell him to go back home.
1:17:04🔗
Caller
Well, my question is, I got bruised pretty badly. And I'm wondering, I've been with differing...
1:17:21🔗
Drew
So you have normal erectile function. You don't have pain with sex, no pain with intercourse.
1:17:26🔗
Caller
When it gets erect, it's a little painful. Not much because I was thinking, I was thinking, did I break my penis?
1:17:32🔗
Drew
You can tear the sheath in there, but usually it will distort and it won't get erections anymore. So you're probably fine. Just be easy, very easy.
1:17:48🔗
Adam
I wonder if her name was Kurt. I just think that's a good name for an older brother. You know?
1:18:30🔗
Caller
Good. My husband and I, we picked up two copies of House of Leaves and bought the Poe CD. We read it together and listened to the CD and it is phenomenal. It's just so great. We've been recommending it to everybody. I just wanted to say thank you for that. That's awesome. Thank you. I have no problem.
1:18:53🔗
Caller
It's a great piece of literature. It's totally refreshing, something really new and different. It was a blast reading that together. We got to discuss it and stuff. It was really fun. Thank you.
1:19:28🔗
Caller
Some parts of it because there was one part that I got really confused, especially in the maze, and so he had to explain it to me. And we went over a couple of things together. A few times it threw me off a little bit, having to go back and forth within the pages and stuff. But it was cool. It was still definitely an experience.
1:20:06🔗
Adam
No way. You know what you read with Kurt in his van? He's got that bumper sticker that says, Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free. Any slightly more updated version, the Coke, Toke, or Poke. Nobody rides for free.
1:20:22🔗
Adam
He's got his own philosophy though. Don't kid yourself. He may not have read any books. That's right.
1:20:37🔗
Adam
All right. Let's hear something from Poe's latest CD. How about that? This one is called Control. Wow, Haunted is right.
1:26:21🔗
Adam
That is Poe, off of Haunted, controls the name of that one. Well, I'll tell you, that is some moody ass music. I really enjoy that. And maybe it's because I get to listen on headphones, but I could see myself driving somewhere in the rain, maybe over to Kurt's house. Or some weed, yeah.
1:26:48🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Wow. Where I recorded this little girl and created these conversations with him that I sort of never got to finish. And he comes in and he sort of says, you know, what is it? And he's talking to me when I'm two from one of these cassettes and I'm crying. And this little girl says, you think I'll cry, I won't cry. I will, you know, go crazy before I cry, I'll go mad, right? And then it goes into control and that's like this resistance to this voice. Like, you know, I don't want anything to do with this thing. And then it evolves over the record to a different place. But you'll see.
1:27:21🔗
Adam
As you know, we got to take a break. Normally, I don't like art, Drew, or even close relatives of art, but I'm starting to get into this. This could be one of my new scenes. I could make this scene is what I'm saying.
1:28:21🔗
Adam
It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Poe is here tonight. Haunted is the name for CD. Mark Z. Danielewski is also here. That is Poe's brother, or Poe is Mark's sister, depending on how you want to look at it. He is a poet and author. House of Leaves is the name of the book. I almost said CD again. And we've gotten some pretty good reviews on it so far on this show. And we normally don't get too many calls on people that read. People that read, yeah. And whether they buy the book or get it from that house that has the books. What's that? Bookstore. No.
1:29:01🔗
Adam
Yeah, that one, because it doesn't have the word book in it. There's no way you can remember that one. Jim?
1:29:14🔗
Caller
Dr. Drew, they said that I was having problems forming my questions, so I wrote them down here, so we don't have any problems on the air. I really don't care about being on the air, and if you're going to rush through me, I'd like to talk to you off the air.
1:29:28🔗
Caller
You stated on the show that the morning after pill was just like taking several doses of a regular pill.
1:29:39🔗
Caller
Okay. Well, in gearing up for your defending the morning after pill, you said that you went to the library, the place where they keep books, Adam, and you found that the morning after pill is really less controversial as far as preventing ovulation versus the actual aborting of the embryo and the pill was worse.
1:29:55🔗
Drew
No, no. What I said was that the, for some reason, the morning after pill, the levonogestrel and the hormone, has become a battleground for people that aren't reading the science. And if you read the science, it shows it really is probably no more likely to interfere with implantation than the regular birth control pill or than a couple of anti-inflammatory medications, of which there are hundreds of millions of prescriptions every year.
1:30:23🔗
Caller
But it's the same as the regular pill. Until Sunday show, I never heard you say that the repeat exposure to the morning after pill was bad.
1:30:31🔗
Drew
It's not bad. It's just not considered proper contraception because it's only 70 percent effective. So if you're using the morning after pill as your means of contraception, you're in error. It's not a good contraception. It's a backup measure.
1:30:51🔗
Caller
It's the same. So taking the triple dose or whatever isn't worse for the uterus than taking one every day.
1:30:56🔗
Drew
No. In fact, my understanding is, and this is my understanding of the data, that of the many, many tens and tens of millions of users of the morning after contraception, there's never been a single adverse effect. Not a single, which is why people are advocating it be made available over the counter.
1:31:14🔗
Adam
All right. I cut Jim off because I know he had a list of demands at the top of his call. We may not get our hostage back, but we got to move on. I like guys who approach it that way. If you think Drew is going to talk to you five seconds after the show goes off the air, you're sadly mistaken. You really could be hemorrhaging from your head.
1:31:38🔗
Adam
I know you want to ask Mark a quick question. I just want to, Diana? Your boyfriend's penis tastes bad?
1:31:59🔗
Adam
Well, it couldn't hurt, but you might as well just get used to it. Listen, it took me a while to like beer.
1:32:06🔗
Adam
Those are my boys. How are you doing, guys? I rolled through a red tonight. I got it. Not a red, just a red arrow. I don't look as a real red. Deanna, you just got to get used to it. Okay. You're not going to change him. It's going to go from really bad to just bad. You understand?
1:32:38🔗
Ann Danielewski (Poe
Can I just say if she's not in love and it doesn't last, guys taste really differently. Maybe she's not with the right one.
1:33:02🔗
Caller
What I was wondering is there's definitely an autobiographical nature to it. I understand both that and haunted, right? And because it's got this autobiographical nature, Mark, are you planning on writing any other novels? Or is this your one shot about your life?
1:33:21🔗
Caller
I wouldn't exactly say it's an autobiography. And I'm absolutely planning to write more books. But since House of Leaves took 10 years, it'll probably take me a few years to come out with another one.
1:33:34🔗
Adam
Well, if Mr. Hoity Toity would limit it to under 100 pages, like a good novel, it wouldn't take him that long.
1:34:34🔗
Adam
Say goodbye. We're just having some fun. I want to thank Poe and Mark for coming in here, and just really, just not losing a step on this show.
1:34:48🔗
Adam
House of Leaves is the name of the book. Great reviews, and go out and get that. Haunted is the name of the CD. That is Poe's latest CD. Go out and get that. Support our friends and artists, and especially when they're doing good work, you know? Like, you're not doing anyone a favor, you're doing yourself a favor. So thanks guys. We do appreciate it.
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Caller
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