Episode 1000754887323

2:10 Voiceover Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. Loveline Coast to Coast.

2:22 Adam Hey, it is the Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Facts number 3108-54-4455. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Tonight, our guest is Nina Gordon. Nina, you know from Veruca Salt all those years. And of course, we had Louise in. Was it just last week?

2:45 Nina Gordon I believe so.

2:46 Adam From Veruca Salt, but they've gone their separate ways. And Nina's got a solo career and projects going. And we're going to hear some stuff from her in her new album, which is called Tonight and the Rest of My Life. And hi, Nina.

3:01 Drew Hello.

3:02 Adam When did we see each other last?

3:04 Drew I think like three years ago.

3:05 Adam That long?

3:06 Drew Yeah, I think so.

3:07 Nina Gordon That's about right.

3:08 Adam Wow.

3:11 Drew We've all grown up since then, I think.

3:13 Adam Do I look better or worse?

3:14 Drew You look great.

3:15 Adam Oh, yeah. Yeah, you do.

3:17 Drew You've definitely grown up. I feel like you've sort of come into yourself. Definitely.

3:22 Nina Gordon I beg your pardon?

3:23 Adam It's a big difference between.

3:24 Drew Yeah, whatever.

3:25 Adam Yeah. If you want to call my belly button myself. I did do that earlier today, actually. Boy, I'll tell you. Well, thank you.

3:35 Drew Yeah, you do.

3:35 Adam Yeah. Well, I was telling Drew and Nina before the show, I'm framing my garage so I have a certain glow, much like a woman does when she's pregnant or in love.

3:45 Nina Gordon You're not really framing now, that's over, right?

3:47 Adam Well, technically, I am.

3:49 Nina Gordon You're still framing.

3:50 Adam Well, sheeting.

3:51 Nina Gordon The sheeting is still part of the framing?

3:53 Adam Yeah. Well, what you got to do is you got to frame the whole place and then you got to sheet the roof and also you have to sheet the outside.

3:59 Nina Gordon You haven't sheeted the outside yet.

4:00 Drew Well, I've done about three quarters of it. This is turning into an NPR kind of show.

4:03 Adam Yeah. Half inch CDX truck one, good one side. Apply for shear wall. And I believe the nailing schedule is 12 in the field and 6 on the seams. Thank you very much. All right. So Nina is going to be, well, actually Nina was on the Tonight Show, what was it, Tuesday?

4:21 Drew Yep.

4:21 Adam And that's pretty good booking.

4:23 Drew It was good, yeah. And they hooked me up with Scott Baio.

4:26 Adam Who, what, did you have sex with him?

4:27 Drew No.

4:28 Adam Oh, so the only blonde who hasn't had sex with Scott Baio.

4:32 Drew Yeah, they found a picture of me when I was little, when I was seven years old. And I guess they found it on the internet. And it was a picture of me that I had sent to Scott Baio, the care of Tiger Beat magazine. And they found it and they brought Scott Baio to the show to unite me with my childhood crush.

4:49 Nina Gordon Seriously? Did you know that was going to happen?

4:52 Drew No. Well, I did actually. In the afternoon, they came to me and they said, what would you do if we brought Scott Baio on? And I said, I'd be psyched. Bring him on.

5:00 Adam I'll tell you that is one of my biggest regrets in life, is not having a starring role in a popular sitcom when I was in my late teens and early 20s. Because let me explain what goes on with Scott Baio. First off, this guy nails everybody in Pound, every blonde.

5:17 Drew Still?

5:18 Adam All of them.

5:19 Drew Still?

5:19 Adam I'm guessing he still does.

5:21 Drew Yes.

5:22 Adam Well, why would he stop?

5:23 Drew No, no, but why would they?

5:26 Adam Well, okay, here's how it works psychologically, because I gave this a lot of thought. There's nothing wrong with Scott Baio. He's a handsome man and I'm sure he could pull in plenty of tail on his own. But think about this as a phenomenon and think about how women work, by the way. Scott Baio is on a popular show from age 15, 16 until he's like 25 or something like that.

5:48 Nina Gordon It was roughly 1980?

5:50 Drew No, no, no, 70s, because he was on Happy Days.

5:53 Adam Late 70s, early 80s.

5:53 Nina Gordon Let's say 79 to give him some reruns to 87.

5:56 Adam Whatever. He's never left television. Here's my point. He's 19 or 20 when he's doing this show and he has tons and tons of 8, 9, 10, and 11 year old girls that are falling in love with this guy watching him on TV. Now, at a certain point, these 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 year old girls become 22, 23 year old women and it doesn't matter whether they're rich, whether they're models, whether they're successful, whatever it is, somewhere planted in that adolescent mind is a crush on Scott Baio.

6:29 Drew They want to get with Chachi.

6:31 Adam Right. Now, Chachi rolls into the sky bar. Chachi's getting near 40. These chicks are 25. Great looking, but it's game on. Now, you have a chance to be with Chachi. Even though your stock may have risen higher than Chachi's, it doesn't matter because there's an old score to settle.

6:52 Drew I was madly in love with him. I wanted to marry him. I would write Nina Baio, Nina Baio, Nina Baio in my journal. But I couldn't get with Chachi. I mean, I just couldn't.

7:02 Adam You couldn't? I mean, you wouldn't have gotten.

7:03 Drew I wouldn't and I couldn't. This time. I mean, it was great to be united with him and I don't want to hurt his feelings or anything. But like.

7:09 Adam Yeah, but a couple of high balls at the sky bar later, you know what I mean? Chachi comes by, maybe he's got that bandana tourniquet tied around his thigh.

7:18 Drew Exactly.

7:19 Adam Come on, you'd go home with him. Just to say you're with him. You understand, I see men don't work that way.

7:26 Nina Gordon How about Patti Farinelli, if she were to appear now as she had been?

7:30 Adam 1979 playmate. Yeah, but see, that's the thing.

7:34 Nina Gordon She'd have to herself then, now.

7:35 Adam I grew up loving Adrienne Barbeau, but I couldn't get down with it.

7:39 Drew You wouldn't get with, no, Adrienne Barbeau, no way.

7:41 Adam No, I might, I might. Six pack, yes, I would do it. But the point is, is I'm not pining for Adrienne Barbeau right now. But Scott Baio is 40, and there's still plenty of 25 year old chicks that are-

7:53 Drew I guess he spends a lot of time at the Heffner Mansion, at the Playboy Mansion.

7:56 Adam Well, there you go.

7:57 Drew And what's funny is somebody said to me, I didn't know this, but after the show, someone said, yeah, was he talking about the Playboy Mansion? And I said, you know what? He was. Like, he, Carson Daly was on the show too, and he turned around to Carson Daly and he's like, hey man, am I going to see you on, you know, during a commercial break? He's like, hey man, am I going to see you on Saturday at the mansion?

8:15 Adam Yeah.

8:15 Drew He just, he's really into the mansion.

8:18 Adam Last Saturday, was I talking about this on the air? No. Last Saturday, they had their like midsummer night fantasy Pachama party. You were supposed to go there, right? Yeah. I didn't know about it. Here's the deal. I ran into, I decided, I missed the Playboy Mansion as well. As a matter of fact, I miss it in a way that I've never been to a party there, but I miss it like a home I've never been to. It's like someone else's home that's nice. And I decided I got to get to some of these parties, not the daytime parties where me and the idiots play with the monkeys out in the cage and then we get tossed out when the streetlights come on. I'm talking about the nighttime all night grotto, loaded pajama parties. And so I told one of Hef's triplets or something to call me or somebody, somebody over there needed to call me when there was one of these nighttime parties. Anyway, last Saturday night, I go out to my buddy Ray for Hungarian food, and then we rent a movie and whack each other off in my den. I, it was like the world's crappiest Saturday night. And then I see Andy Dick at the Teen Choice Awards on Sunday, and he's like, where were you last night? And I said, oh, what do you mean? The Playboy party, people were asking about you. I said, oh, people weren't, yeah, yeah, yeah, people want to know where you were. I was like, why? I didn't even know about it. So, reason 1584 to kill myself. Thank you very much. Oh, boo hoo. What the hell is Andy Dick? Andy Dick must be very confused at those parties. His penis doesn't know what direction they're going. All right. So, like I said, Nina Gordon's here. We'll hear something off of her new CD in just a couple of moments. And we'll also- I have to leave. Go to the phone. That's Andy. Brittany? Brittany?

10:03 Caller Hello?

10:04 Adam You're 17?

10:05 Caller Yeah.

10:05 Adam What's up?

10:07 Caller I was wondering if the guy masterbates too much, if it can affect his ability to have an orgasm.

10:13 Nina Gordon It can delay it sometimes, some guys.

10:15 Caller What?

10:15 Nina Gordon Some guys it will delay it, yes.

10:17 Adam What do you mean? Like earlier that afternoon kind of thing?

10:21 Caller Well, just anytime, like.

10:24 Nina Gordon What's happening with you? What's the situation?

10:29 Caller My boyfriend says that he doesn't always have orgasms, and he doesn't do that a lot. I know he doesn't. I was just wondering if that had anything to do with it.

10:37 Nina Gordon That could have something to do with it.

10:38 Adam Well, he says, wouldn't you know if he's having an orgasm?

10:41 Nina Gordon No. She's saying that he masterbates so much that sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't have an orgasm.

10:45 Adam I know, but the way she phrased it was as if he was telling her that he doesn't always have orgasms with her.

10:53 Nina Gordon Which is his sort of excuse for not, no, no, not with her.

10:55 Adam I know, but the way she said it was like she didn't know whether he did or didn't.

10:59 Caller I do, but.

11:00 Nina Gordon It's his excuse when he doesn't. He said, I don't always, don't worry about it.

11:03 Adam Yeah.

11:03 Nina Gordon But then she's found out that he masterbates all the time.

11:06 Adam Nonsense.

11:07 Nina Gordon Oh, yeah.

11:07 Adam That's not how it works.

11:08 Nina Gordon Of course, because it's back to your theory about what he's used to.

11:12 Adam How old is he? 18. And how often does he say he masterbates?

11:17 Caller Like at least three times a day.

11:18 Nina Gordon There you go.

11:19 Adam That's about average for 18.

11:21 Nina Gordon Oh, please.

11:22 Adam It isn't. It seems a little light. You're right. Brittany, why don't you ask him to hold off at least that day, the day of the night he's going to see you.

11:32 Caller Okay.

11:33 Adam All right?

11:33 Caller Okay, thanks.

11:34 Adam That bet will happen again.

11:35 Caller Okay.

11:36 Adam All right. Yeah. So what Drew is saying is a theory I've always had, Nina, which is a guy gets used to his own touch so much, his own his own sensation that a woman is almost foreign to him and it's almost confusing to the penis. And although you're having sex, as my friend Snake always said, it's not the real thing. And it's good and it's a nice simulation for masturbation, but it's not quite the real thing. And the penis can get confused. So you have to wean your penis off of the hand and on to the vagina.

12:12 Nina Gordon Nice.

12:12 Adam Or at least near the vagina. Mike?

12:16 Yeah.

12:16 Adam You're 18?

12:18 Caller Yeah.

12:19 I have a question.

12:21 Caller Well, I just stopped about a month ago. I stopped smoking marijuana. And I was wondering, I'm having some dilemmas with this. First of all, you know how you were saying that your nipples can get puffy when you do that?

12:35 Nina Gordon Yep.

12:35 Caller How long did that take to go away?

12:37 Nina Gordon A long time.

12:38 Caller A long time?

12:39 Nina Gordon Because they're pretty big.

12:41 Adam That's more of a puberty thing.

12:43 Nina Gordon Sometimes it can be permanent.

12:44 Adam Nice rack. That's not from the pot.

12:46 Drew Why does that happen?

12:47 Nina Gordon It doesn't. It raises estrogen level and decreases its testosterone level. The other thing that happens if you try to stop smoking that kind of pot by yourself, you will get depressed.

12:54 Nina Gordon Yeah.

12:55 Nina Gordon Severely depressed.

12:56 Nina Gordon Yeah.

12:56 Nina Gordon And that can go on for up to six months. And it's actually a very serious depression that sometimes you'll start having suicidal thoughts.

13:03 Nina Gordon Yeah.

13:03 Caller I'm pretty cool with that, though, you know.

13:05 Adam Yeah.

13:06 Nina Gordon With the depression?

13:06 Adam He's gonna kill himself over his giant saucer nipples.

13:09 Caller Also, I was wondering, because, you know, burnout, like, sometimes I sound a little slow and stuff like that, you know, could, like, speed or crack or something help that out a little?

13:21 Nina Gordon Mike, you've got to get yourself some help. Your thinking is all screwed up right now.

13:25 Caller No, but I...

13:26 Nina Gordon That is the most common way I see people get addicted to amphetamine, is trying to deal with coming off pot.

13:30 Caller Yeah, but, um, like, your nerves are slow, but I was wondering if, like, your crack nerves would, like, take over.

13:36 Nina Gordon Mike?

13:36 Caller Yeah?

13:37 Adam Your crack nerves?

13:38 Nina Gordon Mike, go to MA. You need some help with this. You're not thinking clear.

13:42 Caller So, I have a similar question. Like, um, what... Are there any long-term effects for gasoline ingestion?

13:50 Nina Gordon Drinking it?

13:51 Caller Just a little, though.

13:52 Adam What are you doing? Siphoning?

13:54 Caller Yeah.

13:55 Adam Are you stealing gas?

13:57 Caller Well, like, from old people, though, they don't need it as much as I do.

14:01 Adam The old people?

14:01 Nina Gordon Asshole.

14:03 Caller Yeah, that mobile home parked down the road.

14:06 Adam Oh, I see. They got a lot of gas in those big mobile homes, right? What's a tank hold?

14:11 Caller No, they have these big trucks.

14:13 Nina Gordon That move the...

14:14 Caller Not motor homes, mobile homes.

14:16 Adam Oh, I see. So, you're siphoning it off the truck that moves the mobile home?

14:20 Caller No, just, like, the people's trucks.

14:23 Drew Why?

14:23 Caller They all have trucks, you know.

14:25 Adam Yeah. Okay. All right, Mike. Well, we'll see you in hell, all right?

14:28 Drew It's making me sad.

14:29 Adam I don't know, like, um.

14:30 Nina Gordon You got, Mike, you've got to go to MA. You've got this. You will use another drug soon.

14:36 Adam That is a huge white trash maneuver, siphoning gas. That's making me scared. It's like, that's one of the sure signs that your career is not going that well. Where you can, all you got to do is put a garden hose down someone's fuel tank, you get a free eight gallons of gas, that's over ten bucks, and sure you suck in a couple of pints of X on, but that's fine, no problem. That's just a bad sign. What is it, by the way? Speaking, I don't know if you guys have experienced this, but I just filled up my car about ten minutes ago on the way in, and I think it's a California thing, but you have to stand there and watch the goddamn pump handle. You can't walk away because the thing clicks down automatically, and there's nothing... I think it's as close as males get to rape, to actually being raped, is when you stand there and you put that handle in there, and you click it, you're going to fill up that tank, and it takes a while. It takes ten minutes to fill the thing up, and you put the thing in, and then you head inside to the convenience store, and you buy a pack of cigarettes and some water and some gum and some stuff, and then you come back out, and you realize the thing clicked at $1.29. Do you know what I mean? That's rape. And it's weird because it's like you pull the handle back up and you put the little catch thing on it, and you stare at it real hard for a while, and you go, okay, it's good this time, and then you get up and walk away and go for the squeegee, pop.

16:01 Drew Wait, was that dude ingesting gasoline or inhaling it?

16:04 Adam Well, you get a mouthful to get it started.

16:07 Nina Gordon He accidentally got some in his mouth.

16:08 Adam It's like women.

16:10 Drew He wasn't doing this for fun?

16:12 Adam No.

16:12 Nina Gordon That would be inhaling.

16:13 It's for profit.

16:15 Drew Oh, okay. I feel better about that now. He's just a criminal.

16:20 He's just a criminal.

16:21 Drew I thought he was actually eating gasoline in order to get high.

16:25 Nina Gordon No, no. They'll smell it. They'll whiff it. They'll huff it to get high. They do that all the time. And that will dissolve the frontal lobes of the brain.

16:29 Adam I wouldn't know, by the way, if someone siphoned my whole tank. I just figured I was high.

16:33 Nina Gordon Yeah, you just figured I guess.

16:35 Adam Yeah, it's like, I wouldn't know. I could fill up at midnight, come out at seven in the morning. Thing could be on E and I'd be like, all right. I just assumed that I just spaced.

16:46 Nina Gordon But the pot thing, the marijuana addiction, when it occurs, people typically switch over to something else. Just like Mike's trying to deal with his thinking being off, his memory being off, his mood being off, and having dealt with feelings his whole life by using substances, namely marijuana, and now having these awful feelings, having no way to manage them, they switch to speed typically.

17:04 Adam John? John?

17:07 Yeah.

17:08 Adam You're 18.

17:09 Caller What's up?

17:09 Adam What's up?

17:11 Caller I'm two months into a six-month chemo treatment for Hodgkin's disease.

17:16 Nina Gordon Yeah.

17:16 Caller And at the beginning, I asked my doctor about drinking. He said I should just try to stay away from it. And I asked him again, recently, and he said, just stay away from it. And...

17:27 Adam Then you asked him a third time?

17:28 Caller Basically. And I don't want to press it with him because he's a friend of my father. Anyway.

17:34 Nina Gordon What stage of Hodgkin's do you have? And what's the chemo you're receiving?

17:41 Caller Um, uh, Adriamycin, Bliomycin, Dicarbazine, Vinplasty.

17:49 Adam All right. Well, let's talk about this. This Hodgkin's, this only affects young people, doesn't it? You never hear about older people getting it.

17:57 Nina Gordon There is. No, there's an old form of Hodgkin's. It's called lymphocyte depletion Hodgkin's. A little different, but it's there.

18:03 Adam And now, is this a form of cancer?

18:05 Nina Gordon Yeah.

18:05 Adam And it's like the cancer that's most prevalent in younger people.

18:10 Nina Gordon One of them, yeah.

18:10 Adam And there's a bunch of different kinds of Hodgkin's.

18:14 Nina Gordon There's different, there's like four or five different kinds, yeah. But there's different cell types.

18:19 Adam No, please don't confuse me.

18:21 Nina Gordon In the lymph nodes. There's a lymph node cancer.

18:23 Adam Okay. And it's kind of curable, right?

18:25 Nina Gordon Yeah, quite curable. He's got 2A, which means all above the diaphragm, and he's not having sweats and fevers, which would make it too big.

18:31 Adam What do you mean all above the diaphragm?

18:32 Nina Gordon His cancer's all up here.

18:34 Adam Oh, that's good.

18:35 Nina Gordon Which is good, because they...

18:35 Adam Well, it's where your heart and your brain and lungs are, but other than that, it's good.

18:38 Nina Gordon Did you get some radiation too, or no?

18:40 Caller No.

18:41 Nina Gordon No, just chemo.

18:41 Caller The choices were two months of chemo and then a month of radiation.

18:44 Nina Gordon So you're going to get the radiation? You're going to get the radiation.

18:47 Caller I've got four more months of chemo left.

18:49 Nina Gordon And then the radiation.

18:51 Adam And then what's up with the booze, John? I mean, why you, you know, you're sick, you're trying to heal your body, you're putting yourself through a lot, and all that kind of stuff. You're 18 years old. Why is this such a big issue?

19:04 Caller It's like a college thing, a fun thing.

19:06 Nina Gordon No, here's the deal. Alcohol is a poison to all human tissue. It's one of the only drugs people use. It actually is poison to human tissue. And you're taking some other poisons. You're taking even blasting that can damage the nerves. You're taking the adriomycin that can hit the heart. And all these things will be additive with the alcohol. They can really significantly affect your long-term outlook. You're going to have numb hands and feet. You want that? The tingling in the hands and feet, the alcohol can contribute to all that. And that's the vincristine vimblasting.

19:34 Adam Hey, John.

19:35 Yeah?

19:35 Adam Why don't you smoke weed?

19:37 Hell no.

19:38 Adam All right. Well, hey, John, you're pretty jovial for a guy who has a fairly serious condition. And I guess that's good. But the point is, is you got a few more months here. Can you just lay off the booze, let your body heal, and then you got the rest of your life to destroy yourself with booze?

19:55 Nina Gordon Great way to look at it.

19:55 Adam Yeah, look at it that way.

19:57 How long is that, though?

19:58 Nina Gordon How long is the rest of your life?

19:59 Yeah.

20:00 Nina Gordon No, no. Are you being fatalistic? Are you thinking this is it for you?

20:04 Caller No, no, no, no. This isn't it.

20:06 Adam All right. Well, in that case, you have to lead a long life. Lead a long life.

20:11 Nina Gordon But you don't want to...

20:12 Adam I think 73 or something.

20:13 Nina Gordon These chemo agents have lots of side effects, and you want to minimize the potential of those things occurring.

20:17 Adam Yeah.

20:18 Nina Gordon And here's the good news. With those, in the old days, death sentence. With those chemos, curable.

20:24 Adam Yeah.

20:25 Nina Gordon And people understand that with chemos today, particularly these sorts of tumors, completely 96% curable. So to go get coffee enemas and acupuncture here does not make sense.

20:36 Adam Well, it never works, does it?

20:37 Nina Gordon No.

20:38 Adam I mean, all those, whatever, celebrity, whatever notable person who flew off to, you know, I don't know, Steve McQueen, who flew off to Mexico to get some kind of... Listen, here's the thing. When you're going to Mexico to get medical care, Something's wrong. You know, that's a bad sign. That's a joke right there.

20:58 Nina Gordon Andy Kaufman going to the Philippines.

21:00 Adam Yeah, right. It's gonna get... It's always funny that they go to Mexico. I mean, it's like, I'm gonna go to the Middle East and see if I can get some good jokes for my stand-up act.

21:11 Nina Gordon But you know what, that's that...

21:12 Adam What the hell?

21:13 Nina Gordon That's that crazy thing. That's that crazy thing. Hey, the man keeps it away from us up here and down there. They can give me the aggressive treatments that I deserve. It's like, come on.

21:21 Adam All right, you go to Mexico to get loaded and buy tile. Here's where you go to Mexico. You go there to get laid, you go to get drunk, you get fireworks, buy over-the-counter drugs cheap, and, or I should say prescription drugs cheap, and tile, or to get your car reupholstered. But not for cancer. Stay right here for cancer. You should actually head toward the center of the country for that. Get away from the borders. I'm going to Mexico. And by the way, you know that's the last ditch when you're heading to Mexico. Ryan?

21:59 Caller Yeah.

22:00 Adam You're 16.

22:01 Caller Yeah.

22:01 Adam What's up?

22:02 Caller Well, I was just wondering, like, if I changed my diet a little bit, would it change the taste of my semen?

22:09 Nina Gordon No.

22:10 Adam I hear a lot about this, and you know what? I'm changing my stance on this just a little bit.

22:15 Nina Gordon What happened? Oh, I'm scared. I'm scared.

22:17 Adam No, then. I'm just, you know, here's my theory, Nina. And, you know, I've only sampled so much semen in my life, so I'm hardly an authority on this. But-

22:28 Nina Gordon Is she barely an authority or hardly an authority?

22:31 Hardly.

22:35 Adam Here was my initial thought on this. This is nonsense. Okay? And-

22:39 Nina Gordon Well, explain why.

22:40 Adam Well, here's my theory. You could eat, let's see-

22:44 Nina Gordon Marshmallows.

22:45 Adam Fresh cherries and marshmallows and your ass would still be as horrible as ever. I mean, you would still lay a big load, big turd in that toilet and it's not like it would be, oh, this is- This is all marshmallows and cherries.

22:59 Nina Gordon Tasty.

23:00 Adam No, it doesn't matter whether you ate dog food or marshmallows and cherries.

23:06 Nina Gordon Again, you can-

23:06 Adam It's still crap.

23:07 Nina Gordon You can drink ambrosia.

23:08 Drew Yeah, but if you eat garlic, your breath smells like garlic.

23:11 Nina Gordon Yeah, your breath.

23:12 Adam But that's immediate because it's almost topical. I mean, that's a- I don't know.

23:17 Drew I feel like your sweat smells different if you eat spicy foods.

23:21 Adam Well, now that's an interesting point. I went into a Zancu chicken today, which was like this Armenian chicken or something. I walked in and I took a little whiff and I was standing next to my buddy, the wheeze, and I said, I can't tell if I'm smelling food or BO. Then I realized this is what these people eat, and that's why they smell like it. So all right, so you got the sweat thing going, right?

23:43 Nina Gordon No.

23:44 Adam The point is-

23:45 Drew You don't think what you eat does not affect what your sweat smells like?

23:49 Adam Well, put it this way, there's some people that got a funk going on, and that doesn't really matter what they eat. People think, okay, people from foreign lands, they eat all this spicy food and they got a funk going on. But think about what you eat here. It's not all watermelon and tap water. I mean, you eat Mexican every other night and all that stuff, and you don't smell any different. I think it's more of a regional thing.

24:10 Nina Gordon What is your pee smell like after going home, drinking coffee all night here? Think about that.

24:14 Adam It doesn't smell like anything.

24:15 Nina Gordon Mine smells like, like, woof.

24:17 Drew Yeah, what about asparagus?

24:18 Adam Yeah, what about asparagus? Yeah, I ate some asparagus last night, my whiz smelled.

24:22 Nina Gordon Yeah, there's certain things that will change your poo.

24:23 Adam I sort of enjoy it, my own way.

24:24 Drew Right, so why wouldn't it change other things?

24:26 Nina Gordon No, there are, I think it doesn't change your poo.

24:30 Adam No, all right, listen, hey Ryan, it may be.

24:34 Nina Gordon And maybe it's a smell thing, maybe that's a poo.

24:35 Adam Maybe it is, okay, so whatever it is, it's very, it's marginal.

24:39 Nina Gordon It's subtle.

24:40 Caller Yeah.

24:40 Adam And any way you slice it.

24:43 Nina Gordon It ain't good.

24:44 Adam It ain't good.

24:45 Caller Okay.

24:45 Adam It goes, it's bad and super bad. Okay, so you'd like to eat 400 pineapples a day and get it up to bad. But to me, that ain't worth it. Mine's will just keep it at super bad.

24:56 Caller Okay.

24:57 Adam And listen, let them prove to you they love you.

25:00 Caller Oh, yeah.

25:00 Nina Gordon Oh, nice.

25:01 Adam All right. What's wrong with a little commitment?

25:03 Nina Gordon Oh, my God. All right, here we go.

25:06 Adam Listen, Nina, I always say this. You don't have to swallow it. Just get rid of it. You know what I mean? Just take it somewhere.

25:14 Nina Gordon Take it out of it, is what he's saying.

25:15 Adam It's like the garbage. You don't have to eat it. Just take it out to the curb.

25:18 Nina Gordon Transport it, huh?

25:19 Adam Yeah.

25:19 Nina Gordon It'll be a transport mechanism.

25:20 Adam Right.

25:21 Nina Gordon That's nice.

25:21 Adam Thank you. Yeah.

25:22 Nina Gordon Good night.

25:24 Adam Jizz Shuttle. That's what I call ladies. Good night. All right. We're going to take ourselves a little break. Nina Gordon is here. You know her from Veruca Salt. Now she's doing a solo thing. We're going to hear something off her solo album when we come back.

25:40 Caller Love Line, with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

25:42 Caller 1-800-12-191.

25:44 Bow, bow, bow, you can kill, you can save, bow, bow, you can kill, you can save.

26:12 Caller Yeah, it is a love line.

26:13 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. He is Dr. Drew over there. Nina Gordon is our guest tonight. She is formerly Veruca Salt, and now has her own solo project out, and we're going to hear something off of that. We're trying to figure out why smelly people didn't know they smelled when they smelled, and they couldn't or they would die. Because you just standing next to them on the subway, for the 10 minutes you're near them is painful enough. Imagine not being able to escape yourself.

26:45 Drew But how scary is that?

26:47 Adam Wouldn't you want someone to tell you?

26:50 Nina Gordon Adam has something to tell you.

26:54 Adam Imagine if you had somebody spit in your mouth, you'd vomit, but you got your own spit in your mouth, and that's fine, and you got your own crap coming out of your ass, and that's cool. I mean, that's great. The point is, is I think we're all set up that way, and it's probably a good thing. I hope it is, at least. All right. Matt.

27:16 Yeah.

27:17 Adam You're 13.

27:18 Caller Yeah.

27:18 Adam What's up?

27:19 Caller Well, first of all, I want to say you guys are bad. You guys are really good. I'm glad I've been listening to you guys for a long time. But my question is that I've been taking this acne pill lately called Accutane for about a month, and it's starting to get my sex drive bigger.

27:37 Nina Gordon You sure?

27:38 Caller I get really, really horny a lot.

27:40 Nina Gordon That's interesting. Usually, Accutane makes people tired and depressed and can depress the sex drive.

27:45 Caller No. Actually, I get really happy and I just get really horny sometimes.

27:49 Nina Gordon It's interesting. It's a strong chemical and it affects people in various ways.

27:52 Adam Well, you're 13. I mean, who knows what's going on with you.

27:54 Drew Or maybe having acne was making you feel insecure and depressed about yourself and feeling not so sexy.

28:01 Caller Actually, I was just fine. I mean, just this stuff just made it like, whoa.

28:05 Nina Gordon It affects people in strange ways.

28:06 Adam All right. So, Matt, what is the upshot of this? I mean, what's the bottom line? You're just masturbating more?

28:13 Caller Yeah, pretty much.

28:15 Adam That's great. It's funny when you're sad when you're a young teenage guy and you're feeling real, extra amorous and extra horny and it's like, so what do you do? Well, whack off more.

28:26 Nina Gordon Adam.

28:27 Adam I'm 36. All right, I still do that. But at least I got a car. I don't have to get on my Razor and coast down to the arcade. Yeah, I got a VCR. I got my own sofa to sit in. You know what I mean? Big screen.

28:49 Nina Gordon That 3D thing.

28:50 Adam No, I don't put the virtual reality goggles on when I masturbate. Although that's not a bad.

28:57 Nina Gordon Sorry, I mentioned that. Pull your penis off.

28:59 Adam Try that. Rain?

29:02 Yes.

29:02 Adam You're 19?

29:03 Caller Yes.

29:04 Adam What's up?

29:07 Caller I've been with my boyfriend for almost four years now, and he just recently asked me to marry him, and so we're planning on getting married in about three months. How old is he? He's 21. Ever since we've been together, he's always wanted me to go down on him, and I've always thought it was really disgusting, and I never wanted to, and he's wanted me to really badly, but I have always refused to, and so I thought that for our wedding night, it would be something really nice to do, but the only problem is I really don't know how. I have no idea where to even start, you know? If you know any like techniques or anything like that.

29:50 Adam You start by putting your thumb in his ass. Are you writing this down?

29:55 Caller No.

29:56 Adam No.

29:57 Nina Gordon She's conjuring an image, Adam, right now.

29:59 Adam I'm gonna grab a scratch pad, and make sure you sort of dip it into your mouth to get it moist, and then do a twisting action as you go in, like if you're pulling the cork out of a bottle of wine.

30:12 Nina Gordon Nina, I need you to speak up. I need you to speak up. Don't put your head over your mouth.

30:16 Adam That's number one. She's scared something's gonna get in it. Rain, why do you refuse to give oral sex to your long-time boyfriend who you love very much?

30:26 Caller Well, I just always thought it was really disgusting, you know?

30:30 Adam Why?

30:32 Caller Just the thought of my mouth, that being in my mouth.

30:35 Adam Well, yeah, but listen, here's the thing about sex. If you break it down, even kissing is pretty revolting, you know?

30:43 Caller Right.

30:43 Adam But the point is, is it sex?

30:45 Nina Gordon So you just stop thinking about it and dive in? Is that your point?

30:48 Adam Well, no, I just mean you break it down. It's like, where's that penis been before it was in my mouth? Where was that? What was going on with that vagina before it was on my penis or my mouth was on? I mean, if you sort of break it down, you wouldn't do it.

31:02 Drew Yeah, and it's gross to think about other people and doing that to somebody that you weren't really into, but if you're gonna marry this guy and you dig him, I would think you'd love every inch of him.

31:14 Adam Honor and obey his penis.

31:16 Drew Yeah, no, but that you, you know, that there's nothing really gross about him. You know, if you're gonna spend the rest of your lives together, he's gonna get like kidney stones and all kinds of gross things. And you're gonna have to be there with him while he's trying to pass kidney stones and stuff. And it's like, you know, it's gonna get grosser.

31:32 Nina Gordon Nina's pure romance, isn't she?

31:34 Adam Yeah.

31:35 Drew It's gonna get grosser.

31:35 Adam It's all sugary and spicy, yeah.

31:37 Nina Gordon I know. It's like, I'm getting tingly thinking about it.

31:39 Adam Yeah, he'd probably get irritable bowel syndrome.

31:43 Nina Gordon Gout, of gout and psoriasis. Think of that. All the things to look forward to.

31:47 Adam Hey, Arayn? You're not a virgin.

31:51 Caller No.

31:52 Adam And are you a religious person?

31:56 Caller No, not really.

31:57 Nina Gordon You have to blame everything on religion, don't you?

31:59 Adam No, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. How dare you. And anyone ever forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

32:06 Caller No. I mean, one time, like two years ago.

32:14 Nina Gordon Put that mic down. You're breathing. It's your breathing. No, no, it's your stomach going up and down, that mic drilling the mic.

32:21 Adam No, it isn't, you idiot. Shut up. Rain, what happened?

32:27 Caller Well, it wasn't a big deal.

32:28 Adam That's her phone line.

32:30 Caller Like two years ago, he wanted me to get down on him and I was like, okay, and I had just gotten down there, like I hadn't really done anything because I was nervous and I didn't know what to do and then I just wanted to stop, you know, because I didn't know what to do.

32:42 Adam No, no, but before that, anything?

32:45 Caller No, nothing.

32:46 Nina Gordon No, I don't get that part.

32:47 Adam No weird uncles did anything.

32:48 Nina Gordon No way.

32:49 Adam Nobody made you do something weird to their penis.

32:51 Nina Gordon No way.

32:52 Adam No, I'm not getting that vibe either, but I'm just trying to sort of, she's really...

32:57 Nina Gordon She's not into it.

32:58 Adam I know, but where does that come from?

33:00 Nina Gordon I don't know, where's your boob fetish come from?

33:03 Adam Don't you bring my boob fetish. All right, I got two things to say to you. How dare you? And how dare you? In front of Nina, bringing my boob fetish into this. Rain? All right. Well, listen, honey, you're getting married. All right, listen, if you weren't raped and nobody like held you down and put their penis in your mouth or forced you to do anything you didn't want to do or you're not ultra religious, then honey, get over it.

33:32 Drew Yeah, and look at it as an adventure.

33:34 Adam Oh, who cares? Just put the penis in your mouth.

33:37 Drew It's an adventure.

33:38 Adam I have no time for these people.

33:39 Nina Gordon Would you please put that in a cart?

33:41 Adam Who? Can I go direct? I would not marry this woman.

33:48 Nina Gordon No, you would be sensed by her. Poor woman just has a preference. You don't have to attack her for it.

33:52 Adam No, no, no. Here's what I want to say. I understand if there's some sort of pre-existing condition.

33:58 Nina Gordon I understand that she's been traumatized, right?

34:00 Adam Yeah, if somebody did something to you when you were young or somebody forced you to do something or a giant penis just fell over on you like a tree and crushed you.

34:10 Drew What kind of foods don't you like? Aren't there things that make you sick like mushrooms or eggplants or something?

34:16 Adam Like monkey brains.

34:17 Drew No, come on. There's gotta be something. Mayonnaise or just something gross.

34:22 Adam Mayonnaise is my rap name, first off.

34:25 Nina Gordon And that's gross.

34:25 Adam That's Man-Aze.

34:27 That's my May-May-Mayonnaise.

34:29 Adam There you go. That Snoop called me as May-Man-Mayonnaise. No, I know what you're saying.

34:35 Drew It's a subjective thing.

34:36 Adam All right. All right. Okay. Wouldn't marry her.

34:38 Nina Gordon That's fine. That's right. That's right.

34:40 Adam Wouldn't not marry her.

34:41 Nina Gordon It's kind of protective. You see, ladies, if you really want to protect yourself against the likes of Adam, you now know what you need to do.

34:47 Adam That's right.

34:47 Nina Gordon Very simple.

34:48 Adam And you others, you know exactly what to do. There you go. So it all works out. We're going to hear a little something from Nina Gordon. How about that? You have your, you queued up there? What song are we going to hear? It's called Tonight and the Rest of My Life.

35:04 Drew Oh, and it's the album.

40:03 Adam Yeah. Yeah.

40:05 Caller Wow.

40:07 Adam That's the Tonight and the Rest of My Life, it's also the name of the album, right? Am I looking at that? Right. God, that's a good song. Thank you. You got talent.

40:14 Drew Oh, gee.

40:15 Adam Thank you.

40:16 Drew So do you.

40:18 Nina Gordon How dare you.

40:20 Adam The thing about talking, it's not really talent. I mean, I think other people may see it as that, but it's not like speaking a language or playing an instrument. That's a talent. You know what I mean? Gymnastics. That's a talent.

40:34 Drew Yeah, that is.

40:35 Adam Yapping. See, I will, we got to go to break, but I'll never look at talking as a talent because from age zero to like 27, it was shut up. Hey, I'll give you 10 bucks if you shut up.

40:50 Drew Me too. That's what my grandfather used to do.

40:52 Adam Yeah, that was great.

40:52 Drew Five bucks if I could be quiet for five minutes.

40:54 Adam Right. And you know, teachers sort of telling you to put a sock in it. So, you never quite get over that. I will take a little break. Nina Gordon is our guest tonight. That was just her, the talented one. When we come back, we'll speak to James. Had sex, had a sex change a year ago and he stopped in the middle. Will his breast shrink? Wait a minute. James?

41:18 Nina Gordon Hello?

41:19 Adam He had a sex change?

41:21 Nina Gordon Yeah.

41:21 Adam You were taking hormones?

41:23 Nina Gordon I'm sorry?

41:24 Adam You were taking hormones?

41:26 Nina Gordon Yeah, back in 93.

41:27 Adam All right, hold on. And you're in the process of becoming a woman, but you stopped.

41:32 Nina Gordon I stopped in...

41:33 Adam All right, hold on. All right. Did you find Jesus Christ or something?

41:36 Nina Gordon No, no.

41:37 Adam Okay. Hold on. Okay. We're going to get to James and... Yeah, but they weren't cutting his penis off. They only cut half his penis off. That's what happened to me. We'll take a little break.

41:49 Nina Gordon You didn't need to say that for that one.

41:50 Adam We'll be back.

41:53 Caller Love Line, we'll be right back.

42:32 Adam Hey, Nina Gordon's our guest tonight. You know her from Veruca Salt, and now from her own solo project. And so far, sounds like everything's working out for you there.

42:45 Drew Yeah.

42:45 Adam Where are you living?

42:46 Chicago.

42:48 Adam Where? Oh, you're still in Chicago, right?

42:49 Drew Right in the city.

42:50 Nina Gordon That's where Louise is, too, right?

42:51 Drew Yeah, but we don't see each other. We don't bump into each other at the...

42:55 Adam Did you guys have a falling out or anything?

42:56 Drew We did. We had a falling out.

42:58 Adam Oh, really? What happened?

42:59 Drew Yeah. Just things kind of deteriorated. You know what it's like.

43:04 Nina Gordon The relationship and personally?

43:05 Drew Someday you and Drew will have...

43:08 Nina Gordon Every day.

43:09 Drew What are you talking about? You'll feel tension building and you'll feel like you're drifting. Nina.

43:14 Nina Gordon Nina, please.

43:15 Adam Nina, listen, first off, I am Drew's meal ticket.

43:20 Nina Gordon That's the cash register over there.

43:22 Adam No, not this. This right here. Do you see this? This is the cash register. This is what I tell all the guys who work for me when we're framing my garage. If I fall off the roof and land on this and I point at my face, the cash register, this whole place closes down.

43:37 Nina Gordon Those guys actually have a little bit of belief. They get a little frightened when you say that.

43:41 Adam No. One of them boldly announced today that the days have never gone slower since I started showing up at the job. I said that is a compliment. That means we're getting more done.

43:58 Nina Gordon I think the only thing would actually destroy our relationship is if you stop being responsible.

44:02 Adam Who?

44:03 Nina Gordon You.

44:04 Adam You mean like I didn't use a condom when I was with you?

44:07 Nina Gordon That would be, yeah, that would do it.

44:08 Adam All right, listen, shut up. I want to talk about Nina.

44:10 Drew Okay, let's talk about me.

44:11 Adam I heard there was a little deal involving her boyfriend, Louise's boyfriend and you.

44:17 Drew Totally untrue.

44:18 Adam Really?

44:19 Drew Completely utterly untrue.

44:20 Adam Producer Ann told me that on the phone today.

44:22 Drew No.

44:23 Adam No? Where is she?

44:24 Drew She's got her facts a little screwy.

44:26 Adam All right.

44:26 Nina Gordon How about?

44:27 Adam Whatever.

44:28 Nina Gordon Vice versa.

44:28 Drew A little screwy.

44:30 Adam Oh, is it the other way around?

44:33 Drew It's really not even, it's not even worth discussing.

44:35 Adam You don't want to talk about it?

44:36 Drew Yeah. It's just one of those things, things there was no one event that happened. It was just like this.

44:43 Nina Gordon But let me ask you, it was not a professional or creative difference?

44:49 Drew No, it was. It was. It was a combination of things and it was just this building frustration with compromising on both of our parts, feeling like we both had to, we had to compromise our individual vision in order to make the other person happy.

45:07 Adam Yes. Neither Drew or myself has a vision. I think that's-

45:12 Caller What are you talking about?

45:13 Adam Well, I have a vision. It's to take a nap and I think then to whack off and then maybe take another nap. Drew, if your wife kick you in the nuts, I think that'd be your vision for your future. Is that what you see?

45:26 Nina Gordon We have some interesting things, yeah.

45:27 Adam You see some years of your wife just pounding you in the scrotum sack with her shin. So that's his vision and I have the napping vision.

45:34 Drew But there was-

45:34 Adam We don't have a creative vision though.

45:35 Drew There was a lot of stuff and it just all kind of fizzled out.

45:39 Adam Well, maybe you're both chiefs and not Indians.

45:43 Drew Well, that's how I feel. I feel like the thing I learned most of all was that I don't work well with others. I can't be somebody's partner in music. I can't.

45:52 Adam Yeah. I don't work well with others either except for they do all the work, so I kind of do it. That's the relationship I have with my partners, except for Drew, where I tow the line.

46:02 Nina Gordon Well, the deal is that my steam is low enough that you can just beat the crap. I mean, I don't even notice it.

46:05 Adam Shut up. James?

46:07 Nina Gordon Hi. How are you doing?

46:09 Adam I see 36. Oh yeah, the sex change.

46:11 Nina Gordon Right.

46:12 Adam How long ago was this?

46:14 Nina Gordon I started it back in January of 93, because that's what I thought I wanted to do in life.

46:21 Adam How did you start on the hormone therapy for like a year, right?

46:26 Nina Gordon Well, I went to see a few psychiatrists and then I saw an endocrinologist who put me on the hormones and...

46:33 Adam And you do that for a year?

46:35 Nina Gordon Yeah, actually I was on it for six years.

46:38 Adam Wow. But you're supposed to do it for at least a year and then you get the actual surgery?

46:44 Nina Gordon I think it's more like after two years.

46:46 Adam Oh, two years.

46:46 Nina Gordon How did you come around to not wanting to do this all of a sudden?

46:50 Nina Gordon I'm sorry?

46:51 Nina Gordon I think the more interesting thing here is how you came around to suddenly stopping the path you were on.

46:57 Nina Gordon Well, I started getting really sick in 97 and by 98 I just had to get off the hormones. I couldn't handle it anymore. The weight was going up. I was just getting really sick.

47:07 Adam It's very irritable. Your period lasted for days. It's no fun being a woman, let me tell you.

47:14 Nina Gordon Have you changed your idea about your gender orientation?

47:19 Nina Gordon Yeah, pretty much. I'm pretty much a normal guy now.

47:22 Adam Yeah, maybe you got sane.

47:25 Nina Gordon Well, I'm just trying to get my life in order.

47:28 Adam Yeah. Now, were you at the time, you were dressing like a woman?

47:34 Nina Gordon Yeah, I'd been dressing like a woman probably for 25 years.

47:39 Adam Okay. James, let me say, hold on a second.

47:43 Nina Gordon We got to take a break.

47:44 Adam James is tough because you say to James, you were undergoing the hormone therapy. Well, you got to understand, at the time-

47:54 Nina Gordon Your Honor.

47:54 Adam I was undergoing hormone therapy.

47:58 Nina Gordon Said therapy.

47:59 Adam Yeah. It's like, he regurgitates in a very slow way whatever you said. So it's hard to move on. But we're going to move on and talk to him about this because I think anyone who wants to change your sex is flat out nuts and it would be real difficult to convince me otherwise. I know a lot of people are sympathetic to this.

48:18 Nina Gordon Let's see what the process James went through and how he experienced it.

48:21 Adam All right. After this.

48:25 Caller Loveline, we'll be right back. Call on the 1-800-LOVE-191.

49:10 Adam Yeah, I didn't have a fart. Nina, that's when I usually break wind into the mic, and I just, I didn't have anything cooking tonight, so I gotta apologize to the listeners and Nina.

49:22 Caller You're not supposed to do that.

49:24 Adam Oh, I'm not supposed to? Not supposed to break wind.

49:26 Caller Oh, you're not supposed to, you know, come back.

49:27 Nina Gordon Say something exciting, during that break.

49:29 Adam You wanna try it again, or? No, no.

49:32 Nina Gordon No, it's never the same second time.

49:33 Adam I don't know. I don't know, it can be good the second time. All right, Nina Gordon is our guest tonight.

49:39 Nina Gordon Oh, wait.

49:40 Adam Normally from Veruca Salt. Oh, wait a minute. All right, all right.

49:46 Nina Gordon Introduce Nina during the break, all right?

49:57 Adam Nina Gordon hangin! I needed like one more word. In the house, I think would have worked. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty bad. Yeah. Nina Gordon is here formerly from Veruca Salt, now own Solo Project, which is sounding real good, and we're gonna hear something else off of that in just a second. We didn't finish up with James, and I'm always interested in the sex change people. Let me just say something real fast before I get back to James. We touched on it before on this show, and we were talking about it during the commercial break. And I don't want to sound like, I know I'm just sounding like an old, like Republican, the older I get. And I really, screw all you, I don't care. I pay too much in taxes. I can speak my mind. But I think people who get the gender reassignment are nuts. As a matter of fact, I know they're nuts. There's no greater definition for nuts than believing you're trapped inside another sex's body. And by the way, that excuse of like, well, here's the deal. I was supposed to be a chick, but the problem is, is I'm a dude. And so I got to change things. To me, that doesn't make me go, Oh, I see. Wow, that's a bitch. Well, I'd hate if that happened to me. No, and me, I go, Oh, you are nuts, man. That means you're nuts. That doesn't mean you're trapped inside of man's body. It means there's a super crazy guy trapped inside a man's body, not a chick. There's a nut job trapped inside a man's body. And to correct that, to become a woman, seems like not addressing the problem. Maybe it would correct things for some time being and offer some temporary relief. But as we were laughing about during the break, I said to Drew, what if I went to the Shrink and said I thought I was Napoleon? Would then, what would you do? Would you sit down and counsel me and try to convince me I wasn't? Or would you just send me off to France to lead the legions? Do you know what I'm saying?

52:09 Drew And how much crazier do you think it is than people having plastic surgery? Like what if I said, you know, I think I'm a very large breasted woman trapped inside of a small breasted woman.

52:20 Nina Gordon There is something to that. That some people believe that by doing plastics and all, you're basically fetishizing your body.

52:26 Drew Right.

52:26 Nina Gordon And it's the same idea.

52:27 Drew That's kind of how I feel, like the idea that you're supposed to be a certain way.

52:31 Nina Gordon In fact, there are people that theorize.

52:32 Adam It's all degrees. I mean, listen.

52:34 Drew Because that's freaky too.

52:35 Nina Gordon That is freaky too.

52:36 Adam And I'll go with you on that. And I think everyone can cop to something that's a little nutty in their life. And if it's on a one to ten thing, the plastic surgery might be a three, depending on what it was. Maybe a nose job is a one and maybe a boob job is a three. But wanting a sex change is a nine or a ten. And like I said, everyone, I'll give everyone their twos, threes, and even fours sometimes. It's the eights, nines, and tens that worry me. And getting a sex job is a ten on the nut scale.

53:04 Nina Gordon But it's a very interesting thing to think about, about how, to what extent people fetishize themselves. Is cross-dressing is fetishizing? Putting boobs in is fetishizing? Maybe getting face lifts is fetishizing too.

53:16 Adam Right.

53:16 Nina Gordon It's using your self body as an object of sexual desire and sexual expression. And if it's, if you require that for your sexual functioning, then it's a true fetish.

53:27 Adam Yeah, but also, I would argue that it's a matter of degree. I mean, most women do something.

53:34 Nina Gordon To fetishize.

53:34 Adam Whether it's, yeah, putting on makeup, doing their hair, buying the clothes. They want to become, feel a certain way or attract the opposite sex. This is now, a boob job is taking that to the next step. And what James was thinking about doing to me, though, is a far cry more than that. James?

53:53 Nina Gordon Yes.

53:54 Adam All right. So you were cross-dressing for 25 years.

53:58 Nina Gordon Yeah.

53:58 Adam And then you got on the hormones.

54:01 Nina Gordon Right.

54:01 Adam And you did that for six years.

54:03 Nina Gordon Yeah.

54:03 Adam And when you did that, you were developing breasts?

54:07 Nina Gordon Yes. I started to develop breasts in 93. And now I've ended up with a 38C.

54:13 Nina Gordon Wow.

54:13 Adam Nice.

54:14 Nina Gordon Yeah.

54:15 Nina Gordon And sometimes that, I mean, that really does need to be surgically corrected oftentimes.

54:19 Nina Gordon Well, it's very embarrassing to have to go out in public. I have to wear one of those vest jackets, and it's very embarrassing.

54:27 Adam Yeah. Are you a big guy?

54:30 Nina Gordon Oh, no. I'm about 5'10. I weigh, well, I'm about 200 pounds.

54:35 Adam Oh, you got a little extra on you. Yeah. Will you lose some of that breast if you lose some weight?

54:42 Nina Gordon Well, I'm trying to lose weight, yes.

54:44 Adam All right, so now why did you chicken out of becoming a woman?

54:49 Nina Gordon Well, I was just getting physical discomfort towards the end of the sixth year.

54:53 Nina Gordon It's hard to understand that just that the fact that you couldn't tolerate the hormones would cause you not only to abandon the whole notion of sex change, but go back to being a guy, oh well.

55:05 Adam I mean, you must still have some thoughts. When you wanted to become a woman, would you see yourself being sexual with men or with women, or what would you do?

55:16 Nina Gordon Well, probably men, sexual towards men.

55:19 Nina Gordon Are you gay?

55:21 Nina Gordon No. I don't think of myself as gay. I've experimented with both.

55:27 Adam Who are you with now, women or men?

55:30 Nina Gordon I'm not with anybody at the moment.

55:32 Adam Well, who would you be? I mean, if you could have Scott Baio.

55:36 Nina Gordon I don't think it would be Scott Baio.

55:39 Adam Well, let's say Anson Williams or some other cast member.

55:44 Drew Donnie Most.

55:45 Adam Donnie Most, yeah. Who would you be with? Seriously, would you be with a guy or a girl if you're going to be with someone tomorrow?

55:52 Nina Gordon I would have to say.

55:53 Adam A girl?

55:54 Nina Gordon Yeah.

55:54 Adam All right. So you're planning on becoming a woman and then being with men.

56:00 Nina Gordon That was the idea.

56:01 Adam That was the plan.

56:02 Nina Gordon Yeah.

56:03 Adam I see. All right. Your parents aren't Jewish, are they?

56:06 Nina Gordon No.

56:06 Adam No, they would have killed themselves many, many, many years ago.

56:09 Nina Gordon My parents.

56:10 Adam Many years ago.

56:10 Nina Gordon In 69.

56:12 Adam Your parents what?

56:13 Nina Gordon My parents divorced in 69.

56:15 Adam I see.

56:16 Nina Gordon And...

56:17 Adam All right. So now you're a man and you're going to stay a man.

56:21 Nina Gordon I don't really have a choice. I was just getting so sick on me.

56:25 Adam All right. Would you still like to be a woman though?

56:28 Nina Gordon I think I would like to be.

56:29 Adam All right. And what happened to you growing up?

56:33 Nina Gordon Well, as I was saying, my parents divorced in 69. And my mother walked out on me and my brother. And I never got on with her very well.

56:44 Adam All right. Well, still not enough. Are you in therapy?

56:47 Nina Gordon Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm in therapy. I see a psychiatrist every month.

56:51 Nina Gordon No, no. That's not therapy. That's medication checks.

56:54 Nina Gordon Right.

56:55 Nina Gordon Right. So what about therapy?

56:58 Nina Gordon I'm not really in any therapy.

57:00 Adam No, it would seem like a good thing. As I said, my dad missed a couple of Pop Warner football games. I'm in therapy.

57:07 Nina Gordon Yeah.

57:08 Adam You were this clear. You were one chop away from becoming a she.

57:12 Nina Gordon Yeah.

57:12 Adam You should be in therapy, too. If I'm in therapy, you should be in therapy.

57:15 Nina Gordon Well, now.

57:17 Adam I'm sorry. I know that's slightly presumptuous, but I would like to see James in therapy. And when I say see him in therapy, I mean physically see him in the office when I go in there. I would like to do some joint counseling with James. We had a deal. He was going to become abroad, and then I was going to nail him, and he backed out, and I'm feeling abandoned right now. He still has that penis. It's come between us and on me. All right, so I don't know what James wants. Just don't be a woman and go to therapy.

57:50 Nina Gordon Have lipo if he needs it. Really is what he's talking about, lipo to get rid of the breast.

57:54 Adam Fine. To me that, listen all you doctors, get to work on cancer. Not injecting crazy guys with hormones and turning them into broads. Nicole, is that what you had in mind? Is that what your parents were thinking when they sent you to med school? Is that what your instructors were thinking when you were in class at med school? That you were going to be converting a bunch of crazy people into ugly chicks? You know what I mean? Is that what you want on your tombstone? Is that what you want on your resume? I know you rationalize it by going-

58:28 Drew Those people probably think they're making people happy.

58:30 Adam Yeah, they do. They're giving people-

58:32 Nina Gordon It's like Michael Jackson's Plastic Surgeons.

58:33 Adam Yeah, well listen, Elvis' doctor thought he was making him happy, too. I mean, listen, if a guy, you know, dealers, drug dealers, can rationalize that they're providing a service for someone who desperately needs it. But that's in the small picture. The big picture is you're kind of screwing with people. Nicole?

58:56 Yes?

58:57 Adam You're 18.

58:58 Caller Yeah.

58:58 Adam What's that?

58:59 Caller Well, my boyfriend and I have been together for about two years. And we just recently started having sex.

59:06 Nina Gordon How old is he?

59:07 Caller He's 18 too. Or 18, I'm 19.

59:10 Nina Gordon Right.

59:11 Caller Other way around.

59:12 Nina Gordon Yeah.

59:12 Caller All right. And now, like, whenever we have sex, he is like, like, he'll want to do it in the beginning. And then he'll start getting aggressive. And like, and he'll never, like, I've asked him to go down on me and he won't. He likes, likes all the pleasure for him. I've asked him many times when we've talked about it, talked about it. And like, when we have sex, he'll like start like yelling. And like right after we're done, he'll storm away.

59:39 Adam And is he yelled during sex?

59:43 Caller Yeah, sometimes.

59:43 Nina Gordon What does he yell?

59:45 Caller He's just like, just like angry.

59:48 Adam Like you're on the remote. That's the only thing I've ever yelled.

59:52 Nina Gordon Out of the way.

59:53 Caller Well, like, I don't know how to like.

59:57 Caller Mommy.

1:00:01 Caller He gets really angry. Like if I don't do exactly what he wants.

1:00:04 Nina Gordon Yeah, there's something up with him, Nicole.

1:00:06 Caller OK, yeah, I mean, his family seems normal.

1:00:10 Nina Gordon Well, something up with him.

1:00:11 Adam You would have set this guy up with the chick who called earlier is getting married and never blew her boyfriend. They make a fine couple. These two, they both just yell at each other. I'm not here. Here's how sex would be with those two. Why are you kidding? I'm not doing that. You do that. Screw you. All right. Listen, you blow me for five minutes. I'll give you 10 bucks and I'll get down on you. No way. This is great. Those two would be a great couple. Nicole, who's over there? My friend Amanda. All right. Hey, this is a deal breaker. Any guy who can't get down there and-

1:00:44 Nina Gordon No, no, wait a minute. He was getting down there.

1:00:46 Adam He was a patriotic chork.

1:00:47 Nina Gordon But he's yelling at her and he's aggressive and that's the real problem. Yes, he can't be intimate without evoking these very hostile feelings.

1:00:53 Caller But in person, like I mean-

1:00:54 Adam I don't care. This guy's a bust.

1:00:56 Caller I know. Well, I'm very much considering.

1:00:59 Adam Good. Listen, you know what this is called? This is called a deal breaker. This is a flawed person. Here's my take on relationships. You can get along with people. People can be nice. You can have many things in common, but they can have deal breakers that's woven into their thing. You can watch them beat up on some kid or kick a dog, or start talking about joining the clan or something.

1:01:27 Nina Gordon Like some old man that's your baseball coach and the Dodgers.

1:01:29 Yeah.

1:01:32 Adam That old F had it coming. What are you talking about? There's my point. This is a deal breaker. Even if you guys get along great, even if he's a nice guy or it's one of those, like, oh, you got to know him kind of thing, or there's a good side of him, there's a good side of everybody. This guy's yelling at you and won't do anything with you sexually. Screw him. Break up. All right? I have no problem with that. Joe?

1:01:55 Hello?

1:01:56 Adam You're 15?

1:01:57 Caller Yeah. Adam, Drew, you guys are great. I love what you do for kids.

1:01:59 Nina Gordon Joe.

1:02:00 Adam Thank you.

1:02:00 Caller It's nice to talk to you too, Nina.

1:02:02 Drew Great to talk to you.

1:02:04 Caller I'm sorry. I'm very nervous. This is the first time I've ever calling.

1:02:07 Adam That's all right.

1:02:08 Caller I've had the same girlfriend now for two years. And about two weeks ago, I went down on her in a really small bed.

1:02:16 Adam And your retainer got stuck in her?

1:02:18 Caller No. I don't have braces. Never did.

1:02:21 Adam Never did. Poor kid, huh? Anyone who can afford them gets braces. That's how it works in the society.

1:02:27 Caller Yeah. It was terrible.

1:02:28 Adam Yeah. It smelled bad?

1:02:30 Caller Yeah.

1:02:30 Adam Yeah. Get used to it.

1:02:31 Caller Well, but now she gets mad at me and she won't go down on me now because I don't want to go down there anymore.

1:02:37 Adam Well, what did you say to her?

1:02:38 Caller I didn't say anything. I came back up and we just stopped.

1:02:43 Nina Gordon Adam actually has a way of managing this one. Right?

1:02:47 Adam Well, I have a couple of theories on this. First off, if anyone saw the autopsy scene in silence of the lambs where they fished that chick's body out of the mire and they had to work on her in the lab there, they take a little of this mentholatum stuff, they put a little shot of it on the upper left, and it really helps out. You know what I'm saying, yeah? There's a little, like I mentioned, you take a little Vicks Vapor Rub.

1:03:10 Caller Yeah, I remember that scene.

1:03:12 Adam Spread it right under your nostrils, right in that little, what's this little part called here, Drew?

1:03:16 Nina Gordon It's a frenulum. It's a frenulum.

1:03:17 Caller Filtrum.

1:03:18 Adam It's a filtrum. Oh, Jesus, I have two smarties in here. Put a little on the filtrum there, and it filtrums out all the stink. Is that what they call it, that? That's number one. Number two, I wasn't kidding when I said get used to it. And we haven't talked about the yummy phase in a few months, but I think it's time to revisit that, which is, as a kid, especially as a guy, and some women never get out of this, you're in the yummy phase.

1:03:44 Nina Gordon Isn't the pink yummy?

1:03:45 Adam Yeah, but as guys, like Drew, your kids, what do they want?

1:03:49 Nina Gordon Corn dogs.

1:03:50 Adam They want corn dogs.

1:03:51 Drew That's all I want.

1:03:52 Adam And they want Bosco chocolate syrup, right? And if you handed them a cigar or beer or a shot of brandy, blue cheese, or some caviar or some blue cheese, all that stuff that's so expensive that we long for now as adults, they'd spit it right out. Well, they'd spit vagina out too.

1:04:10 Nina Gordon How dare you?

1:04:11 Adam It's an acquired thing. Seriously, give it, I don't care, the best brandy in the world, $100 an ounce, you give it to your kid, he spit it right out, he'd grab a yoo-hoo.

1:04:21 Drew Mm, yoo-hoo.

1:04:22 Adam There you go.

1:04:24 Nina Gordon Hannah is way into that yummy stuff.

1:04:27 Adam You have to advance into this as a guy especially. Women can stay in it. It's not that big a deal. But guys, they get older, they want to smoke cigars and they want to go down on women.

1:04:39 Drew Why don't you guys just take a bath together? Like take a...

1:04:43 Adam Me and Drew?

1:04:43 Drew No, you and Drew.

1:04:44 Nina Gordon That won't take care of it. This is an infection. It's an infection.

1:04:47 Adam Really?

1:04:48 Nina Gordon It's vaginitis when it smells.

1:04:49 Adam Maybe he's just a wuss. Joe?

1:04:51 Caller Should I tell her that I don't like it?

1:04:53 Adam Well, I'm sure she's got the hint.

1:04:56 Nina Gordon Well, no, give her the...

1:04:56 Adam Oh, that advice.

1:04:57 Caller Yeah.

1:04:58 Adam Yeah, kill yourself.

1:04:59 Caller No.

1:04:59 Nina Gordon Come on.

1:04:59 Adam A what?

1:05:00 Caller It kind of sucks because she won't go down on me now.

1:05:02 Nina Gordon Hold on, Joe. Adam has a... You mean he has to give the advice?

1:05:04 Adam Yeah. No, I'll do it. Joe?

1:05:06 Yeah.

1:05:07 Adam All right. Now listen to me. Don't screw this up, you idiot.

1:05:10 Okay.

1:05:10 Adam You tell her that you were listening to Loveline and a girl called in and noticed a little scent down there. Okay?

1:05:18 Okay.

1:05:19 Adam Are you with me so far?

1:05:20 Yeah.

1:05:20 Adam And Drew was very concerned, said it was probably an infection and she should get herself checked out. Now, you say you noticed a little smell on her and because you love her so much and care about her so much, you think that maybe she has an infection. Drew seemed pretty emphatic about this girl getting herself checked out, so you'd like her to get checked out as well because you care about her.

1:05:42 Caller Yeah. I'd be good.

1:05:43 Adam There you go. All right. Let's try it on me. You ready?

1:05:46 Caller All right.

1:05:47 Adam Go ahead, Joe.

1:05:49 Caller I was listening to Loveline and I found-

1:05:52 Adam That Adam's a fox.

1:05:53 Caller He's a dick.

1:05:57 Caller I thought that the smell could be an infection.

1:05:59 Adam What? What smell?

1:06:00 Caller That smell when I go down on you.

1:06:03 Adam There's a smell?

1:06:05 Caller Yeah. I think you should get it checked out.

1:06:07 Adam Why?

1:06:09 Caller Because I don't want you to get infected.

1:06:13 Adam You're silky, Joe. All right. No problem. It's going to go perfectly.

1:06:19 Oh, boy. Oh, man.

1:06:22 Adam Hey, stinky shorts, I want to talk to you. Just work that angle.

1:06:28 Nina Gordon It's a vaginoline. There are multiple bacteria that can cause vaginal infections. They all create a smell and a taste, and it's easily treated with a cream these days. So it is associated with other potential complications.

1:06:40 Adam Don't make it. You know what? Every once in a while, what you have to do in life, everyone is sit back and think, well, listen, my intention isn't bad. Why should I hesitate? Why should I feel so badly? You love this girl or at least like her, you care about her, you want her to be healthy, just tell her, it's all right. It's not like you have some sort of ulterior motive and some evil. You know what I mean? Isn't it weird how you feel so bad about things sometimes? When you really break it down, you love the person and you want them to get better or whatever. Why do we hesitate so much on that stuff? Why do we feel so guilty when we shouldn't feel guilty?

1:07:16 Nina Gordon The person must already be kind of defensive.

1:07:18 Adam Okay.

1:07:19 Nina Gordon You know they're going to get a reaction.

1:07:21 Adam All right. I'll buy that. Let's hear something from Nina by the way.

1:07:24 Nina Gordon Okay.

1:07:25 Drew All right.

1:07:26 Adam Yeah. This one is called Bad Way. Hey, hey, hey. Just talking about that. Hey, that's good. It really sounds good.

1:10:46 Drew You weren't even listening.

1:10:47 Adam No, I was. I was. I know I was.

1:10:49 Drew I wasn't listening either. We were just hanging out.

1:10:52 Adam I know we were blabbing about.

1:10:54 Nina Gordon Handwriting.

1:10:55 Adam Writing. But I mean, I could hear it was good.

1:11:00 It was good background music.

1:11:02 Caller Yeah.

1:11:04 Adam Is that it?

1:11:05 Caller Yeah, that's it.

1:11:07 Adam Rock and roll. All right, where are we here?

1:11:10 Nina Gordon We're taking a break.

1:11:11 Adam We are?

1:11:12 Caller Yeah.

1:11:14 Adam Ooh. All right, let me just talk to Jack. Jack, you're 20?

1:11:19 Caller Yeah.

1:11:19 Adam You want to know what the risks of giving a rim job are? Huh? Rim job?

1:11:24 Caller Yeah.

1:11:24 Adam Yeah. To a guy or to a girl?

1:11:26 Caller To a guy.

1:11:27 Adam All right, because there's some risk factor involved with a guy.

1:11:30 Nina Gordon You're gay.

1:11:31 Adam For some reason, it's not as risky with a girl. Is that true?

1:11:35 Nina Gordon There's some risk there.

1:11:36 Adam It's not as damaging to your psyche.

1:11:37 Nina Gordon Your soul.

1:11:38 Adam Your soul. Thank you. All right, we'll come back. We'll talk to Jack who's going to be doing a little rimming after this.

1:11:45 Loveline, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, we'll be right back.

1:12:22 Adam It's Loveline, I'm Adam Carolla, that is Dr. Drew over there, Nina Gordon is our guest tonight. Formerly from Veruca Salt, now doing her own solo thing, Tonight and the Rest of My Life is the name of the new CD, and it sounds real good so far. It does.

1:12:39 Drew So far.

1:12:40 Adam Well, the two songs I heard, I thought were really good and very different. Yeah, a nice slow melodic one and a harder rocking one. And both good. So I'm guessing everything in between is good too.

1:12:54 Drew It's yeah, it's pretty darn good.

1:12:57 Adam All right. I'm going to listen to it.

1:12:58 Drew Yeah.

1:13:02 Adam Hey, Ann.

1:13:03 Caller No, it is Jack.

1:13:04 Adam No, that's you, Jack. Producer Ann, I don't know why she's popping my hands or just talking about music, but I've been listening to my Bare-Naked Ladies CD, and I really like those guys. We've got to get them back in here.

1:13:16 All right, I'll find out where they're at.

1:13:17 Adam Thank you. All right, let's talk.

1:13:19 Nina Gordon Yes, Your Royal Highness.

1:13:20 Adam Well, we rarely do it, but why not? I like them. Jack?

1:13:25 Caller Yeah?

1:13:25 Adam You're 20? All right, so you're gay?

1:13:29 Caller Yeah.

1:13:30 Adam And you want to give your boyfriend a rim job or just some guy?

1:13:33 Caller I'm kind of curious of, like, what it is, because I just want to try it, you know.

1:13:37 Adam You want to give it to your boyfriend?

1:13:38 Caller Yeah, I just want to try.

1:13:40 Adam Do you know what it is?

1:13:41 Caller Yeah, I know what it is.

1:13:43 Adam My grandma told me what it was. I swear to God.

1:13:47 Nina Gordon At the dinner table.

1:13:48 Adam At the dinner table. Does anyone know what a rim job is? It was like one of those things where I knew what it was, and I instinctively wanted to answer because it was like a trivia question. But then I thought, no way. I'm not putting my hand up. I'm just going to sit, you know, it's like a pass the carrots. That's what. So she goes, I was talking to some veterans today. She's a council of these veterans and one of them brought up a rim job. I didn't know what it was. I felt like an idiot. And then I found out what it was. And I don't see the pleasure in that. But I felt like an idiot not knowing what a rim job was. And I was like, and I had to like, I think I heard of it. Yeah. So he just licked the guy's ass. What do you care? How do you want to know?

1:14:34 Caller Well, I just wanted to know what you could get from that.

1:14:36 Nina Gordon Well, there are many oral fecal transmitted.

1:14:39 Adam Yeah, you could get PT syndrome.

1:14:42 Caller What's that?

1:14:43 Adam A poop tongue.

1:14:46 Nina Gordon You can get things like that.

1:14:47 Adam Thank you.

1:14:47 Nina Gordon You can get various infections, food poisoning type infections. You can get AIDS, theoretically, that way, hepatitis that way.

1:14:56 Caller What if he does it to, like, me?

1:14:59 Adam No, that's fine.

1:15:01 Caller So you won't get anything from that?

1:15:03 Adam Yeah, what about his tongue in your butt?

1:15:05 Nina Gordon I can't see why that would be a lot different than kissing.

1:15:09 Adam No, yeah, it wouldn't. All right, good. You're good.

1:15:11 Caller So I'm fine, right?

1:15:12 Adam Yeah, let him do it to you.

1:15:15 Caller So I won't get anything from him?

1:15:17 Adam No, not if he's doing it to you.

1:15:18 Nina Gordon If he had hepatitis, I'd be concerned.

1:15:20 Adam Anything against hepatitis?

1:15:22 Nina Gordon You should be taking your hepatitis B vaccine anyway.

1:15:25 Adam Are you that tired of cornholing? Have you become bored with blowing him? You know what I'm saying?

1:15:33 Caller Well, I don't like BJs that much.

1:15:36 Nina Gordon What?

1:15:37 Adam What?

1:15:37 Caller I don't like BJs that much.

1:15:38 Nina Gordon What?

1:15:38 Adam What?

1:15:39 Caller BJs.

1:15:40 Nina Gordon What?

1:15:40 Adam What? You don't like them that much?

1:15:42 Caller What I don't like is...

1:15:43 Adam You're in the wrong business, my friend.

1:15:46 Caller Well, oh yeah, can I do one thing?

1:15:48 Adam Wait a second. You don't like receiving BJs?

1:15:51 Caller I don't know. Yeah, I don't like sucking.

1:15:55 Adam You don't like receiving them?

1:15:57 Caller I guess that's what you... I get confused from receiving or whatever the other one was. Receiving or...

1:16:02 Adam Well, like one would... Like, let's say it's someone's birthday. One person would give the person a gift, the other would receive the gift, right? So if you receive the gift, you're the one who's getting blown. And if you give the gift, you're doing the blowing, right?

1:16:17 Caller So I give, yeah.

1:16:19 Adam You don't like giving or you don't like receiving?

1:16:21 Caller I don't like giving.

1:16:22 Adam Yeah, all right. Well, no duh. What about receiving?

1:16:26 Caller Well, I'm I guess what they say bottom. So I already do that.

1:16:31 Adam Oh, I see. You're the bitch, right?

1:16:34 Caller Yeah. Yeah, I get it from, you know.

1:16:36 Adam It's funny. There's got to be a chick in the in the male relationship, even though it's two guys. It's a weird thing. It's like, listen, I don't like women and I don't like women either because we both hate our mom. So we're going gay. We're going to get together. We're going to form a union. And then it's like, OK, you be the chick. It's guys do that. You couldn't get two guys together. This is why Veruca Salt broke up. You got to have a leader and a follower. Why can't there just be two guys?

1:17:06 Nina Gordon I'm sure there can't be some of those relationships.

1:17:08 Adam I don't know. It always seems like one sort of dominant guy.

1:17:11 Nina Gordon But he has chosen the receptive. Being the receptive partner is the highest risk for the STD. So he's already in the highest risk category.

1:17:18 Adam I not only do not want to lick any a-hole, I'm uncomfortable with my a-hole being licked. I don't even let my maid do my laundry because I know how foul it is. You know what I mean? It makes me uncomfortable.

1:17:31 Caller I'll lick your butt.

1:17:33 It gets on my slut.

1:17:34 Adam Oh, that's Carrie Ware. Let me tell you something about that crazy Carrie Ware. That Carrie Ware, you know, she calls me.

1:17:42 Nina Gordon Like still?

1:17:43 Adam No, no. She calls me and invites me to her party. OK, so I go down to her party for 40 minutes before I come here. She's all friendly and lovey-dovey. I mean, it's not like we're not dating or anything. She's kind of a little flirty, a little friendly. And then she, I don't talk to her. And then she calls me a week later. It's like, listen, we're neighbors. We should get together kind of thing. I'm like, that's great. And she's like, yeah. And I said, you should come over and see my house. Because I'm always looking at her house and I live up the street from her. And she's like, OK, let's do it. Never heard from her again. And was actually coming over on a certain day. Like, I'll come over Saturday at 1 o'clock. Never came over, never heard from her.

1:18:23 Nina Gordon She has a boyfriend.

1:18:24 Adam No, it's not a sexual thing. It's just she lives down the street. She's my neighbor.

1:18:28 I am a whore, whore, whore. I'll do you more, more, more. I'll lick your butt. Because I'm a slut.

1:18:39 Adam I'm going to need this tape when I go to court. I'm not dating her or anything. I'm not even trying to.

1:18:49 Nina Gordon You think?

1:18:50 Adam Jesus, Henry Rollins. He would kick you.

1:18:52 Caller Yeah.

1:18:53 Adam I don't know. Yeah, he's a scary guy.

1:18:55 Caller Get some, get some, get some.

1:18:58 Adam Wait a minute. He is saying it gets. No, it's not one of those. It's not that way.

1:19:03 Nina Gordon I know, but maybe Henry got a little bit uptight about it.

1:19:04 Adam You never know. All right. Yes, I am quite an imposing site. Yeah, yeah. I can see where other men would be jealous of my prowess. Christy, you're 16? Thank you. What's up?

1:19:21 Caller Well, I just want to know if, after having unprotected sex, do you need to start taking the birth control like within 24 hours? Is that true or does it matter?

1:19:32 Nina Gordon You've got to take the morning after pill within 72 hours.

1:19:35 Caller Oh, but after that?

1:19:37 Nina Gordon After that it will not work. And it's most effective if you take it within 24 hours of the intercourse.

1:19:45 Caller Okay, but so after like a week or something, it's just over with.

1:19:49 Nina Gordon It's done. You're going to get pregnant if you're going to get pregnant.

1:19:51 Caller Oh, okay. Thanks.

1:19:52 Nina Gordon And the same is true. I mean, the way the morning after pill works is by suppressing the egg so the egg never becomes available, so there's never an egg and a sperm to get together. It does not have anything to do with implantation in a real way.

1:20:04 Adam All right.

1:20:05 Nina Gordon Okay? And so if there's an egg already there when you have sex, you're going to get pregnant with a maternal probability. But if you haven't yet ovulated and the sperm can sit in the tubes for three days waiting for that egg to be released, people have some weird new conception that you get pregnant right when you have sex.

1:20:20 Adam Well, it makes sense.

1:20:21 Nina Gordon It's up to three days later you get pregnant.

1:20:23 Adam Well, what do you think the average is?

1:20:25 Nina Gordon Day and a half.

1:20:26 Adam Really?

1:20:26 Nina Gordon Yeah.

1:20:27 Adam All right. I'm burning up. Is it hot in here?

1:20:29 Nina Gordon No.

1:20:30 Adam No? This is me? It's hot? I'm wearing a flannel shirt? It's middle August? Tomorrow. I'm pre-sweating for tomorrow. All right. Let's take a little early break. What do you say? I run late on these breaks, and then we have these little short segments. All right. All right. Who are we going to talk to when we get back? Talk to Jessica of Seventeen? No. We can't do a lightning round.

1:20:52 Nina Gordon He's not going to do that to Nina.

1:20:53 Caller No, no, no.

1:20:53 Adam No. After she makes out with someone, she never wants to see them again.

1:20:58 Caller Oh.

1:20:59 Adam Can you identify Nina?

1:21:01 Caller No.

1:21:01 Adam Okay. That's good. More insights from Nina when we come back. Yeah. It's Loveline, Adam Corolla, Dr. Drew is over there, Nina Gordon is our guest tonight. She is a formerly of Veruca Salt, is now out on her own. The name of the CD is called Tonight and the Rest of My Life, and it's a winner. I give it the Loveline seal of approval. And there's some great pictures of Nina on here wearing very sheer things.

1:22:06 Drew And yeah, I thought you'd like that picture on the inside.

1:22:09 Adam Yeah. She must have quite a fast metabolism because what is it that you've eaten since you were here, Nina? And I mean, this is not even sweets. This is what you call novelty food.

1:22:22 Drew Yeah, I'm into... I'm not really that into chocolate. I'm into like candy candy.

1:22:27 Adam Right, right. But let's check the garbage. What do we have?

1:22:30 Drew Sours? I don't even know what they are.

1:22:32 Adam What did you throw away?

1:22:33 Drew Rob Brokling brought me a bunch of candy.

1:22:34 Adam Just get them.

1:22:36 Drew Starburst? They're over here.

1:22:37 Adam Where's the garbage?

1:22:38 Caller It's over here.

1:22:38 Drew Sour Punch?

1:22:39 Caller All right.

1:22:40 Adam Now, this is what she's eating. Okay. Let's examine the garbage here. Okay. We got the Sours, which are little crazy figures. One of them is missing an eye. And it's made by the Mike and I company, I guess.

1:22:56 Nina Gordon My gums are hurting just looking at this. Yeah.

1:22:58 Adam So these are like sweet tart kind of chewy things.

1:23:01 Nina Gordon Nutter Butter Bar.

1:23:01 Adam We got Nutter Butter Bar. Then we have a package of Starbursts. And now we're on to Sour Punch.

1:23:10 Drew I haven't opened these yet. I don't think I'm going to.

1:23:12 Adam Well, you're showing a ton of restraint. Yes.

1:23:14 Nina Gordon My goodness.

1:23:15 Adam Doctor's orders. That diet is paying off.

1:23:18 Drew I think I've hit rock bottom.

1:23:21 Adam Let me give you my take on this stuff. I love dessert and sweets and chocolate. I really have a sweet tooth and enjoy it. But I love some chocolate with nuts in it. I love those seized candies or good dark chocolate. I love a banana cream pie or something. But the novelty food like the jawbreaker that's shaped like a whistle that you blow for a while, or the sucker that turns different colors, or the things that's like a ring that you suck on.

1:23:50 Drew Love it.

1:23:50 Adam All this novelty stuff, that's not sweets to me. That's novelty food.

1:23:55 Drew It is novelty food and I wouldn't...

1:23:57 Adam It tastes like chemicals.

1:23:58 Drew It doesn't taste like sweets. The things I've been eating tonight definitely taste like chemicals.

1:24:02 Adam Why do you eat them though, I guess is what I'm asking. If they taste like chemicals.

1:24:05 Drew I don't know what it is.

1:24:06 Adam What's in it for your tongue?

1:24:08 Drew I guess it's the sugar and the colors.

1:24:10 Adam Why don't you just eat sugar?

1:24:11 Drew Well, I do eat sugar. I do. I do just eat sugar.

1:24:15 Nina Gordon Visiting a carnival. Yes. It's cotton candy.

1:24:17 Drew I don't know what it is. And it's also the small, it's like many small pieces. It's sort of like an OCD kind of like weird thing. Like I have to be, you know, like I, you know, I have to put stuff in your mouth.

1:24:29 Adam You're going to crap a clown when you get home.

1:24:32 Drew Thank you.

1:24:32 Adam Bozo's going to come out of your ass. And you don't. So I mean, you got a cotton candy. You're not on a diet.

1:24:40 Drew Marshmallows and cherries. What?

1:24:42 Adam You're not on any kind of diet.

1:24:43 Drew No.

1:24:44 Adam No. You have a fast metabolism.

1:24:47 Drew Some. Yeah, I guess I do. I guess I do.

1:24:49 Adam I would definitely say.

1:24:50 Nina Gordon You just consumed 4,000 calories in the last half hour.

1:24:52 Adam Yeah, 4,000 calories at 1130 at night. But here's my point. People look the way they look 99 percent of the time because of their metabolism, and people shouldn't go up to Nina and ask her, what's the secret? How do you stay so slim? Because Nina has a very slim frame.

1:25:10 Drew I'll tell you something. I go through healthy phases. I really do. I try. But basically when it comes down to it, all I really want is sugar. I mean, when I was a teenager, I would sit with a tub of cake frosting, like Pillsbury frosting.

1:25:21 Nina Gordon Pixie sticks.

1:25:22 Drew No, pixie sticks, fun dip, but a tub of Pillsbury frosting and a spoon. And I'd just watch MTV and eat frosting.

1:25:29 Adam But you can do it, I mean, because of your metabolism. And what happens when your period rolls around? Do you get a craving for liver? Or do you have to just eat more sugar?

1:25:38 Drew I don't think I don't notice anything different. Maybe more chocolate, for sure.

1:25:42 Adam OK.

1:25:43 Drew Yeah.

1:25:44 Nina Gordon So what is it that you have?

1:25:45 Adam I like to get stoned with you. When you really go to town.

1:25:48 Nina Gordon Do you have meals?

1:25:49 Drew Yeah, I do. No, you know what? I really do.

1:25:50 Adam Oh, she just had some fudge. That's a solid food, isn't it?

1:25:55 Nina Gordon A little dairy in there. Some nuts, protein.

1:25:58 Adam Jessica?

1:25:59 Yeah.

1:26:00 Adam You're 17.

1:26:03 Caller I was just wondering, like lately, like the last year or so, like whenever I make out with somebody, like that night, I want them to call the next day or whatever. The next day, I don't even want to talk to them and I don't want to talk, I mean, I don't want to see them anymore.

1:26:19 Nina Gordon How do you feel about them when you're actually making out?

1:26:23 Caller I'm attracted to them.

1:26:24 Nina Gordon That's the only feeling you have? Attraction?

1:26:27 Caller Yeah. I mean, like, some of them, like, I was either drunk or something, but like the next day, I just...

1:26:34 Nina Gordon Do you get any clingy kinds of feelings?

1:26:38 Caller Kind of.

1:26:39 Nina Gordon And then when do those go away?

1:26:42 Caller Like, by the next morning.

1:26:43 Nina Gordon And do those feelings sort of repulse?

1:26:45 Caller I feel like I have to, like, during the night that it happens, I feel like I have to be near them and stuff, but then the next day, I don't want to talk to them anymore.

1:26:54 Adam All right. Well, part of it is being 17. Nina, what do you think?

1:26:58 Caller Were you ever this way?

1:27:00 Drew No, I was always sort of more obsessive. I had big crushes and, you know, chased after the one guy for, like, six years or whatever.

1:27:11 Adam But maybe this is the same thing because the point is, is that guy would never come around.

1:27:16 Caller Right.

1:27:17 Adam And someone else would come around.

1:27:19 Caller Right.

1:27:20 Adam And you wouldn't be interested because they were coming around. Like, what if that guy came around?

1:27:23 Drew Well, that's what I think. Definitely. Definitely. It makes perfect sense. If you're only 17 and you're talking about a bunch of 17-year-old guys, you're not, I mean, it's not that big a deal. Yeah, you can make out with them and then move on.

1:27:36 Adam But here's the question. If the guy, Nina, you had a crush on, we came wildly interested in you.

1:27:41 Drew Oh, yeah. You're much less interested.

1:27:43 Adam Right.

1:27:43 Caller Of course you are.

1:27:45 Adam Part of this is sort of a biological component of being 17 and being a female. But you're taking it to an extreme.

1:27:51 Nina Gordon She's having a reaction to having intimate feelings and feeling that clinginess, then she repulses or rebels against that.

1:27:57 Adam Right.

1:27:58 Nina Gordon So something caused that. Do you want to talk to her?

1:28:01 Adam Hold on. Where's daddy?

1:28:03 Caller What's that?

1:28:04 Adam Where's your dad?

1:28:06 Caller My real dad is, I don't know exactly where he is, but I live with my stepdad and I have since I was three.

1:28:11 Nina Gordon You're three.

1:28:11 Adam Yeah. Have you ever talked to your real dad?

1:28:14 Caller I have a few times.

1:28:15 Adam But he basically abandoned you and the family.

1:28:18 Caller Yeah.

1:28:18 Adam All right. How about stepdad? Is he an okay guy?

1:28:21 Caller I hate him.

1:28:22 Adam Yeah.

1:28:22 Nina Gordon Okay.

1:28:22 Adam Well, there you go. There you go. Abandoned by real dad, so he's not going to get into anything, going to push away because he's not going to have any intimacy.

1:28:30 Nina Gordon Real feelings, any feelings that make you feel of, A, impending abandonment and or treachery because stepdad was the other part of that.

1:28:37 Adam And let me tell you, this stepdad thing is a bitch, especially if you got girls. My sister hated my stepdad her whole life. And my stepdad is the most innocuous sort of guy in the world. Your stepdad. Unassuming guy. He was not a bad guy. Not a fun guy. He's just like, there's nothing to do with him. You know what I'm saying?

1:28:59 Nina Gordon Yeah.

1:28:59 Adam Like she would go, I hate him. And I'd go, what's the hate? It's like hating matzah.

1:29:04 Nina Gordon Yeah.

1:29:04 Adam I was like, you may not want to party with it, but you hate it?

1:29:08 Nina Gordon Did he ever do anything to her?

1:29:09 Adam No, he never did anything. He sat around. He's like, my stepdad's this nerdy guy who worked for Lockheed in the skunk work in the secret fabrication division over there. They couldn't talk about his work. He's like a nerdy genius kind of guy. But he was just like the world's friendliest guy. My sister always hated him and I always thought to myself, I think you hate my dad and you're just kind of imposing it on the next guy who rolls around.

1:29:38 Nina Gordon And you hate mom for bringing another guy in.

1:29:40 Adam Yeah, whatever that dynamic is, but this guy didn't do anything. He's just putzing around watching TV trying to make a buck.

1:29:47 Nina Gordon Hate him for not being dad.

1:29:48 Adam Right. And I think this goes on a lot.

1:29:51 Nina Gordon Oh, yeah.

1:29:51 Adam And I don't think it goes on as much with guys. I think guys are a little more like dogs. It's like, screw it, someone else is here. All right. As long as they don't give me crap, I'm all right with them. But it's not the situation that makes them hate the person. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yes, because we're smarter. Sarah? Sarah? Oh, yes. She's been at home for 86 minutes. It's no fun with girls, though. They don't snore. Guys snore, and it's really funny. You love Fat Camp, don't you, Lardos? I can't hear you, son.

1:30:30 Drew If you talk loud, will she wake up?

1:30:31 Caller No.

1:30:31 Adam Probably not. But I think I can hear her breathing.

1:30:33 Caller Yeah, I can't, too.

1:30:34 Adam Let's listen.

1:30:38 Caller No.

1:30:38 Adam No, we can't. She's dead. All right.

1:30:42 Drew What was the subject of her? What was her subject?

1:30:44 Nina Gordon Going to the Army, did some crank, wants to know about a drug test.

1:30:47 Adam Oh. Oh, well, she may be a hard stock. She's been on the hole for a while. It's ironic that someone who did some crank fell asleep. By the way, you know you're a boring host when a crank-related call comes in and the person's asleep. No higher compliment than you can pay to a radio host. And seriously, is it hot in here at this point? Yeah, it's getting hot. All right. Anderson, come on, kick the air on by the way. Say, oh, come on. Have Ann do it.

1:31:18 Caller Yeah, this is the last thing I'm thinking about.

1:31:20 Adam Have Ann do it. Really, where's Ann? Ann, hit that air, would you, baby? It's hot in here. Thank you. McKenna?

1:31:27 Caller Yeah.

1:31:27 Adam That's a good name.

1:31:29 Caller Thanks.

1:31:29 Adam It's you're 14.

1:31:31 Caller Yeah.

1:31:31 Adam What's up?

1:31:33 Caller About three or four days ago, I went down on the guy for about an hour and hour and half to two hours without taking any breaks.

1:31:40 Adam Geez, my combined total for all the guys I've went down in my life probably isn't two hours. You figure five minutes times. No.

1:31:52 Caller My throat feels really swollen. What should I do about it?

1:31:56 Nina Gordon Well, it's probably wrong.

1:31:58 Adam Are you serious? You went down on a guy for two hours?

1:32:00 Why?

1:32:02 Caller I don't know. He wanted me to.

1:32:04 Drew What was wrong with him?

1:32:05 Adam Hold on. You didn't go down on a guy for two hours.

1:32:08 Caller Yes, I did.

1:32:09 Caller Like an hour and a half, two hours.

1:32:10 Adam No, not in an...

1:32:12 Drew Was he awake?

1:32:13 Caller Yeah, he was...

1:32:14 Adam No, you didn't do it.

1:32:15 Caller I was awake.

1:32:16 Adam No, you didn't. People, first off, have difficulty estimating time, especially girls, especially 14-year-olds, especially when it comes to oral sex. It was in the entire length of a movie, including all the previews and the band that's made out of the candy at the snack stand. No way, no way. Even if it was 40, okay, but let's say it was 45 minutes.

1:32:42 Drew Her throat hurts or her throat feels sore.

1:32:44 Nina Gordon Well, I doubt it could be an STD. Certainly, you can get herpes, you can get gonorrhea, you can get chlamydia that way, but just the fact that you've done such an irritating activity for however long you did it.

1:32:54 Caller And what should I do? Because we don't know each other and I'm afraid to tell him that.

1:33:00 Adam You don't know each other? You guys didn't talk while you were going down on him?

1:33:06 Caller No, we met for like 10 minutes and then he asked to miss, I would suck his dick then.

1:33:11 Adam All right, hold on a second.

1:33:14 Nina Gordon 14.

1:33:15 Adam This is 14. I wish I had this power. Yeah, I don't ask if someone can suck my dick and tell him like, tell us like minute number 15, 60.

1:33:26 Drew Within 10 minutes, right, within 10 minutes.

1:33:28 Adam 10 minutes is a little early if I just met someone. 20, that's a little long, so I like to fall somewhere in between there. I feel like there's a window.

1:33:38 Drew Right.

1:33:39 Adam The BJ window when you meet somebody, it closes after about 20 minutes. I like to get in, but again, 10 minutes, the window is not quite open yet. McKenna? Okay. How old was he?

1:33:52 Caller Oh, I'm 17 turning 18.

1:33:53 Adam What's wrong with you? What happened to you?

1:33:56 Caller What happened to me?

1:33:57 Adam Yeah.

1:33:57 Caller Yeah, some of the second.

1:34:00 Adam Yeah. No, I'm cool with that.

1:34:02 Nina Gordon In life before this. In life.

1:34:03 Adam We ever raped or abused or anything?

1:34:06 Caller Not at all. I'm a real horny girl.

1:34:09 Nina Gordon No.

1:34:09 Caller No.

1:34:10 Adam Where's your dad?

1:34:11 Caller Where's my dad?

1:34:12 Caller He's at home.

1:34:13 Adam Yeah. Is he a good guy?

1:34:14 Caller He's a great guy.

1:34:16 Adam When he's not drunk?

1:34:17 Caller No. He doesn't drink beer anymore.

1:34:20 Nina Gordon Yes. I'm getting alcoholism too. Anymore. Yeah. I'm getting that big time.

1:34:22 Adam So he used to do some drinking.

1:34:24 Caller Oh, me?

1:34:25 Nina Gordon Him. You too. But him, we're asking about now.

1:34:28 Caller Like hardly ever.

1:34:30 Nina Gordon He never did.

1:34:31 Adam He said he doesn't drink anymore.

1:34:33 Caller Well, he like hardly drank before.

1:34:36 Caller And then he stopped.

1:34:37 Adam Why do you stop drinking when you don't drink?

1:34:39 Caller Oh, don't ask me that question.

1:34:42 Caller I'm not him.

1:34:44 Adam Oh, you're saying you're not your father? You're saying you didn't put your semen into your mother and then you came out of her? Is that what you're saying?

1:34:54 Caller Oh, my God.

1:34:56 Adam Hey, McKenna, listen, whatever you're doing, slow down.

1:34:59 Caller But I can't. It's like an obsession.

1:35:01 Nina Gordon Yeah, that's the point.

1:35:02 Adam You got something going on with you. You got some problems.

1:35:05 Nina Gordon It's not just being horny. It is not that.

1:35:08 Adam All right. You know what we're talking about?

1:35:11 Nina Gordon There's a reason you're compulsive like that.

1:35:14 Adam You're going to get into trouble. You're going to get pregnant. You're going to get a disease or worse.

1:35:20 Caller I get tested.

1:35:21 Adam Yeah, go get tested. I rarely say this, but find Jesus Christ, would you? Or slow down.

1:35:28 Nina Gordon All right.

1:35:29 Adam Easy, baby.

1:35:29 Nina Gordon We got to go.

1:35:30 Adam All right. All right. So she's not her dad? No. Okay. We'll be back.

1:35:35 Caller Hello. This is your radio. Loveline will be right back.

1:36:18 Adam It's Loveline. All right, that is it. I want everyone to go out and get Nina Gordon's new CD called Tonight and the Rest of My Life. It's very good. And there's a picture of her where you can almost see part of her left nipple in the inner jacket. So everyone go out and get that. I want to thank producer Anne for doing a great job all week, and Danielle for doing a great job all week, and of course Anderson for sliding those potentiometer things. Nina, thank you.

1:36:48 Drew Thank you.

1:36:49 Adam And let's not make it three years.

1:36:51 Nina Gordon Let's make it two years, two years, eight or nine months.

1:36:56 Adam That seems about right. Seems like you should have been in here not a year ago, but maybe about four months ago.

1:37:02 Caller But in fact, that's about right.

1:37:03 Adam So until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:37:07 Nina Gordon It doesn't change your poo.

1:37:10 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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