Episode 1000754887170

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3:00 Voiceover Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. Loveline, Coast to Coast.

3:05 Yeah.

3:06 Adam Well, kiddies, look who's back. The cat is back. Phone number for Loveline, 1-800-L-A-V-E-1-9-1. I don't know the fax number.

3:15 Drew We're back to 8-5-4-44-55, the old number. They put paper in the fax machine.

3:21 Adam Oh, my goodness. A real breakthrough here at Westwood, too. That is Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Henry Rollins is our guest, and I'm going to apologize in advance for my performance tonight because I went to bed about 5 or so last night, then I got up about 7.30 to be on a float.

3:44 Drew 5 a.m.?

3:45 Adam 5 a.m. and there's a two-hour difference, so I'm a mess.

3:50 Drew Why are you on a float?

3:54 Adam Henry, you should work this in your spoken word. Tommy Lasorda canceled at the last moment, right? So they said, you and Jimmy from The Man Show, you'll be the grand marshal of one of the many parades. There's more than one parade. But it's a big parade. There's over a million people out there.

4:10 Henry Rollins Well, he was, Lasorda was supposed to be painted in gold paint in a diaper riding on some float and you filled in.

4:16 Adam Right, handing out anal beads. But the comedy was, here's the comedy, it's me and Jimmy on the Tommy Lasorda float.

4:23 Drew With big Dodger hat.

4:24 Adam I'm wearing a pirate outfit because what they do when they don't know what outfit to give you, they give you a pirate outfit. I'm wearing a funky hat. I look like a calligrapher from the 15th century. I'm throwing out beads with a big medallion, with a bad drawing of Tommy Lasorda on it. Everyone who's catching the beads is excited at first and then confused as they see Tommy Lasorda's name on the beads that I've been throwing out for the last 20 miles.

4:52 Drew Very nice.

4:52 Adam But I'll tell you, Louisiana, they don't have a whole lot of laws there. It's really kind of every man for himself.

5:01 Drew What happened?

5:03 I'm just saying.

5:03 Drew What did you see or what did you do?

5:05 Adam Here's everything, but here's what I'm saying. We'll get into Henry and the tour and the spoken word and all that.

5:13 Caller And Henry, chime in if you've been there.

5:15 Adam But here's my take, you know, all this stuff, the open containers, the urinating in public, the jaywalking, all that sort of piss ass, the civil disobedience stuff. Yeah, they don't really bother with that. Like we were in a van and the guy, there was a cop who was, you know, he was doing 35, we passed him doing 50. The guy then cut in front of him.

5:41 Drew The police? Yeah.

5:42 Adam No, I mean the guy who we were driving with.

5:44 Drew Right.

5:44 Adam Cut the guy off. Yeah. I was like looking on my shoulder, like, holy Christ, we're going in. I thought we were making a run for it. He's like, yeah, they don't care. They don't bother with it.

5:52 Henry Rollins Well, they have real violence there, so they prioritize.

5:56 Adam Yeah. And that's what I thought. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at the beach dumping a Lohenbrau into the sand because it's noon and I can't have an open container.

6:04 Drew So basically what you're saying is you're moving to Louisiana.

6:05 Adam Yeah.

6:06 Drew Yeah.

6:06 Adam This is a lawless town.

6:09 Drew The down return.

6:09 Adam Oh, yes. Oh, it's good times. All right. Well, anyway, it's that Bourbon Street is everything they tell you it is. But let's talk about Henry Rollins and the spoken word tour and the elm and all that stuff. Henry.

6:24 Henry Rollins Yeah.

6:25 Adam Give us whatever we need. I'm in bad shape. I'll give you these. I'll give the tour dates out to by the way.

6:31 Henry Rollins I don't know. I have a new record out called Rollins in the Rye. And I'm leaving on tour tomorrow for dates all across America into Australia, to New Zealand, to Europe. And I'll be back in America in June.

6:43 Drew And it's more of a spoken word.

6:44 Yeah.

6:45 Henry Rollins And I'm doing that till the summer. And then the band starts cranking up. We got a new album in the can and we're going out in the fall.

6:52 Adam What number spoken word CD is this?

6:55 Eight, nine.

6:55 Henry Rollins I don't keep track of them. I just could do them and hit the road. I've been doing them since like 84.

7:01 Adam But is it a better time for spoken word now than it was five, eight years ago?

7:07 Henry Rollins It's not a genre that I pay much attention to as far as how the other guy's doing. I just book those tours and go when I'm not doing the band thing and they always do okay for me.

7:16 Adam And what about spoken word in, like you said, Australia or New Zealand or different parts other than the US.?

7:23 Henry Rollins On what level? Ticket sales or acceptance or what?

7:27 Adam Yeah, both.

7:27 Henry Rollins People getting it?

7:28 Adam Everything.

7:29 Henry Rollins In Australia, I do up to like 2,500 people a night. The whole tour sells out usually in advance and everyone's cool and I get good reviews and they like me. And it's maybe like my eighth or tenth talking tour down there.

7:42 Adam So, you would probably say in general it's more accepted or bigger whatever over there.

7:49 Henry Rollins No, it does fine everywhere. Actually, it's weird. I mean, I go all over Europe. I've been to Russia, to Israel doing this stuff. I go over Scandinavia and it rocks.

7:59 Adam How do you do it in a place where they don't speak English?

8:01 Drew That's what I was just thinking.

8:02 Henry Rollins They speak English. I mean, one time I did two shows in Moscow and I had a translator and that was kind of rough going.

8:08 Adam It's like a Yakov Smirnoff up there.

8:10 Henry Rollins In Germany, everybody below the age of 50 speaks great English.

8:15 Adam Oh, really?

8:15 Henry Rollins Oh, yeah. In some, like in the south of Germany, maybe not, but in the major cities, Munich and as you go north, no problem.

8:23 Adam All right, well, San Diego, what day is it, Drew? Wait a minute, isn't today Wednesday? No, tomorrow's Wednesday?

8:29 Henry Rollins It's Tuesday night. See, you're still drunk. See, that's why you shouldn't drink because you don't have it together.

8:35 Drew No, listen, he's at his best when he's like this. Oh, yeah.

8:38 Adam We literally, we rolled into New Orleans at 530 Friday night or Saturday morning, however you want to do it, and it's been game on from that point on. So, yeah, I'm a mess. San Diego, by the way, tomorrow night we'll get in Santa Ana, Phoenix. I got a whole bunch of dates to give you if you want to go out and see Henry Rollins, but let's hop on the phones first and speak to Joe 17. Joe?

9:04 Hey, how you guys doing? Good. I got a problem with my girlfriend. I just don't last long at all.

9:11 Prevent her ejaculation.

9:13 Drew That's not a problem with your girlfriend, is it?

9:14 No, no, it's just me, I guess.

9:16 Adam When you're with her?

9:17 Drew Yeah. How long you're taking?

9:20 You know, we'll be in sex a couple of minutes, about a minute, so.

9:25 Drew Every time, no matter what?

9:26 Pretty much, yeah.

9:27 Drew Any way you've discovered that you could prolong things at all?

9:30 Not really.

9:31 Adam Well, that's why he's calling.

9:32 Henry Rollins I got an idea.

9:33 Drew Yeah.

9:33 Henry Rollins Works for me. Have you ever tried masturbating? Yeah. About an hour and a half away from when you're going to be with your girlfriend?

9:42 Doesn't do anything.

9:43 Henry Rollins Doesn't help? My God, man, I think you have the potential to be a superstar.

9:47 Drew How about sort of cleaning the gun for a while? Like for a maintenance program? Like a week or so leading up to it? You know what I mean?

9:55 Adam No, I don't think. If an hour and a half ain't going to do it, then twice a day for the week before isn't going to do it either.

10:01 Drew I bet you will.

10:02 Adam No way. Hey, Joe?

10:04 Henry Rollins Yeah.

10:05 Adam Why don't you do what I do, which is actually masturbate when they're there? No?

10:10 Henry Rollins Just like you're doing right now. Joe, is it a thing where it feels so great you can't hold back or is it a mental thing? What do you think it is?

10:22 I don't know.

10:24 Drew He's 17. It's his biology. All right. There you go.

10:27 Adam Joe, do you have a round two in you then?

10:30 Henry Rollins What?

10:31 Adam Can you go round two?

10:33 Yeah.

10:33 Adam All right. Well, that's the same.

10:36 Henry Rollins How's round two? Do you last any longer?

10:38 Yeah, a little bit.

10:38 Henry Rollins Okay.

10:39 Adam Well, when you get to round 12, you should be fine. Joe, listen, the sex clock starts, the meter's running when you begin oral sex on her. So always remember that.

10:50 Drew All right.

10:50 Adam Do you know what I'm saying?

10:51 Drew So that's how to prolong things.

10:52 Adam Yeah, I'm just saying for those guys who are listening, who aren't satisfying their women because of the premature E problem, go down on them for 15 minutes before the premature E and you're probably not going to get complaints. Todd?

11:06 Adam You're 17.

11:08 Adam What is up?

11:12 Adam Good. Say hi to Henry Rollins.

11:15 Henry Rollins How you doing, man?

11:16 Adam How's it going, bro?

11:16 Henry Rollins Okay.

11:18 Adam I was just wondering how you got into writing books.

11:22 Henry Rollins I got interested in writing from certain writers I was reading, like Henry Miller, people who were just like shooting from the hip. And I was living on the road in a van all over the world. And when you're in a band that's broke, you got a lot of time on your hands because you don't get anything to do in the afternoon. So it was either acquire bad habits or do something constructive. So I started writing all about everything that was happening around me, which was fairly picturesque at that time. And I got this wild notion in my head to publish some of it. So I started a small company and I did it. And when you have your own company, there's no one really there to tell you no or send you a rejection slip. And so that's what I did. I just basically started my own company and I still have it.

12:02 Drew How did you distribute the stuff?

12:04 Henry Rollins Well, at first is just I'd go to towns on tour and walk into the local book or record stores with a box and go, hey, I'm in this band and here's these books. And we do either consignment thing or I'd sell them really cheap and hope to get back in there and sell them again. Then later on when the company got really more together, we find a distributor and got a mail order thing. And it's like any little company.

12:26 Drew Did you use the web?

12:27 Henry Rollins Now we do big time. Yeah. And it's great because we have sales worldwide and people get, you know, there's an awareness and it's cool.

12:33 Adam Hey, Todd, that answer your question?

12:36 Yeah. I just wanted to thank all of you, including Henry.

12:39 I enjoy everything you do.

12:40 And Henry, I'll be seeing you on Thursday.

12:43 Henry Rollins Where's that? Is it San Diego?

12:44 San Ana.

12:45 Henry Rollins Oh, San Ana. Glad you got a ticket. It's sold out.

12:48 Oh, got myself a ticket.

12:50 Henry Rollins Good man. It'll be a fun time.

12:51 I'm looking forward to it so much.

12:53 Drew That's at the Galaxy Theater in San Ana.

12:55 Henry Rollins It's going to rock. It's a great place.

12:57 I hope I get to meet you that night, man.

12:59 Henry Rollins Hang out after the show because I always meet people on the way out.

13:01 Definitely, bro.

13:02 Adam All right. Good times there, Todd. All right.

13:05 Drew Everything's a good time for you, man.

13:07 Adam Oh, man. I'm jonesing so bad for some pancakes and eggs. You know, when you get up at 2 in the afternoon every day and it's like nothing but po boys and like shrimp cocktail and crawdads and stuff.

13:20 Drew But pancakes and crepes are the thing. Yeah.

13:22 Adam Yeah. They don't have them in New York. They don't have they stop serving breakfast at noon is the problem. And that was that was a long time ago for me. All right. Let's talk to Randy who's 14. I swear to Christ. I don't know. I don't care what it sounds like. I want I want an IHOP. I want to like a fresh and right now, right. Rudy Tootie. Yeah.

13:42 Drew You want those Joneses, those syrup wheels somewhere.

13:45 Adam They use the bacon for the mouth that represents a smile on the big ball of butter for the nose and the strawberries for the eyes. That's what I want.

13:52 Henry Rollins Attack on a plate.

13:53 Adam That's what I want. Randy.

13:55 Yeah.

13:55 Adam You're 14. What's up?

13:58 Caller Adam, you're a genius.

14:00 Drew Randy, you have a question?

14:01 Caller Yes, I do.

14:01 Drew OK.

14:03 Caller I've been going out with my girlfriend for about three months and her mom like found out like a week ago that we were going out and she like tried to find out some stuff about me and she like doesn't want us to go out anymore.

14:18 Drew What do you mean?

14:18 Adam What did she find out about you?

14:20 Caller Like nothing really bad. She just like talked to my teachers and like...

14:24 Drew What did she find out?

14:27 Caller That really I'm not really a good student in school and my girlfriend's like a straight A student and like the bad influence on her.

14:34 Drew Because you're not a great student?

14:37 Adam She really interviewed your teachers?

14:39 Caller Yeah.

14:40 Adam She personally spoke to your teachers?

14:43 Drew And they reported on your grades?

14:46 Caller Yeah. Like most of my teachers usually don't like me so they probably...

14:50 Drew Why don't they like you?

14:51 Henry Rollins Do they dislike you just because of the grades or do you have attitude or what? Is there something more than just poor grades that's bumming out your girlfriend's mom?

14:58 Caller Well like I could be involved in class and stuff.

15:01 Drew Randy.

15:01 Caller Yeah.

15:02 Drew Probably has nothing to do with your grades, right?

15:04 Caller Probably not.

15:05 Henry Rollins Well, are you doing, do you have any extracurricular activities that would worry a mother of a young girl?

15:10 Caller Well.

15:11 Henry Rollins Are you drinking? Are you smoking?

15:12 Caller No, I'm not on drugs.

15:14 Drew What are you doing?

15:16 Caller Well, I'm not really sure. I'm just like a kind of a punk kid that no one really likes.

15:21 Adam Alright. Well, we love you, Randy.

15:24 Caller Yeah, that's cool.

15:26 Drew Big help, I know. Yeah, Adam's hallucinating right now.

15:29 Henry Rollins So, what kind of advice are you looking for? Have you ever sat down and talked to the girl's mom?

15:35 Caller No, she like wants to meet me this weekend.

15:36 Drew That's good.

15:37 Henry Rollins Well, then you should go meet her and be yourself and say, I'm a good guy with bad grades.

15:41 Drew She's really trying to find out who you are, and they're doing a little field work first. Listen, the advice we always give people that are in this situation is get to know the parents. Let them know you for who you are.

15:52 Adam Hey, Randy? Yeah. But for the meeting, pull it together. Bow tie, boutonniere, pomade, and a hair, that kind of thing. Thank you, ma'am.

16:00 Drew Saddle shoes.

16:00 Adam A lot of ma'am. Excuse me, ma'am. That's right.

16:03 Drew Stats.

16:03 Adam That's right. Rent a car. Rent like a tour, like a beige Tourist and pull up in it. 14. Oh, I see. I'll have your dad drop you off. Don't have him pull up in like a hog and throw you off the back. Hey, Randy, just pull it together. Listen, here's the deal. No responsible parent wants their 14 year old dating at all. They're female dating. They just don't. So they're going to hate every guy who comes home.

16:26 Drew Or they're going to look into them a little bit.

16:28 Adam But if you don't do anything and you're cool, they'll get to know you and everything will work out. Or not. Either way.

16:36 Henry Rollins He'll be fine.

16:37 Adam Yeah. Justin, you're 17. What's up?

16:40 Caller Yeah. I really think that my stepmother is having an affair with my older brother.

16:50 Drew Your brother. Your biological brother?

16:52 Caller Yeah. My biological brother. I have a feeling that they're having an affair. And I don't know how I can confront them about it.

16:59 Drew Well, why would you even dream of it?

17:01 Adam Why do you have this feeling? Just a woman's intuition or?

17:05 Caller First of all, my father married this lady. We haven't got along ever since I met her. My father married this lady about five or six years ago. And we haven't got along since. But my brother and her have always got along. Okay, my brother's.

17:18 Drew Well, they must be having an affair. What do you think?

17:20 Caller No, no, no. I haven't even gotten to yet. This is back a little bit. So my father works graveyard shift at a hospital. And my stepmother is always home. And I came home one night and I could have sworn I caught them. They like jumped. They were like panicking. My stepmother was like in her robe. And I saw my brother and they just had this guilty look on their face.

17:40 Adam How old is your brother?

17:42 Caller My brother is 21.

17:43 Adam And he is still living at home. Yeah.

17:45 Drew Is there anything else about this woman we should know?

17:48 Caller She uses drugs. I'm almost positive.

17:51 Adam How do you how do you know?

17:52 Caller Well, because I know what pot smells like because personally, I've used it before and I know I smelled pot in her bedroom sometimes. I know my father doesn't smoke. Mm hmm.

18:01 Adam All right. Hey, I don't know. Is your brother have any plans of moving out of the house soon?

18:07 Caller Not soon. I mean, personally, I don't know. I don't really get along with my brother that well.

18:11 Adam All right. And you're 17. Are you doing OK in school?

18:15 Caller I'm doing all right.

18:16 Henry Rollins How is all this making you feel? Is it upsetting you? Is it distracting you?

18:20 Caller I mean, I mean, of course it's upsetting me. I mean, like I love my mother. My mother passed away.

18:26 Drew How long ago?

18:27 Caller Five years ago.

18:28 Drew And what does that have to do with your stepmom?

18:30 Caller Well, you know, it's just tough that my dad got remarried and I thought my dad was going to be happy with her and then now they constantly fight. And I see I almost I know that they're doing something together. Well, I don't want my father to get hurt. And I don't know if, you know, I'm not positive and I don't know how to come at my brother, like to try to ask him if this is what's going on.

18:51 Drew Are you close with your brother?

18:52 Caller I'm sorry?

18:53 Henry Rollins He said they don't get along very well.

18:54 Drew Oh, that's right.

18:54 Caller No, no, I don't.

18:55 Adam All right. Hey, Justin, here's the deal. I know this sounds like pissboard advice, but you're outnumbered in the goofball department at your house.

19:03 Drew Yeah.

19:03 Adam It's like a three to one dad, brother, and stepmom. You're 17. We're getting close to the time when you're supposed to spread your wings, go off to college or get a job, get out of house. I would just lay low for a few months, turn 18, get a job, and get out.

19:20 Drew And the probability is that they're just doing drugs together and not having sex together, because drug addicts get together and do drugs all the time, and they would want to hide that.

19:28 Adam That's how Drew and I met.

19:29 Drew Well, no, we were having sex, actually.

19:31 Adam Oh, that's right. That's right. Drug addicts have... That's right. That's right.

19:34 Caller You guys are funny.

19:35 Henry Rollins Hey, how come your brother is 21 and still lives at home?

19:38 Caller What do you mean?

19:39 Drew Oh.

19:40 Henry Rollins Well.

19:41 Caller Well, he... I don't know.

19:42 Henry Rollins Well, when I was 18, I couldn't wait to leave, and at 21, I was already...

19:47 Caller Well, I guess he's kind of a slacker. I mean, he just shoots pool and drinks, and he doesn't really know what he wants to do with himself, and he comes home drunk and he just messes with me, like slaps me around and stuff like that.

19:58 Adam Get out of there. Hey, Justin, get out of there. Just... Don't worry about them. I give this speech three times a night, but everybody, if it's a bad or dangerous situation on the home front, and you don't have a degree, you don't have a badge, you're not going to do too much. You know what I mean? Think about it.

20:16 Henry Rollins So graduate and bail.

20:18 Adam Get out.

20:18 Drew Get out there.

20:19 Adam Get an apartment. And all you say you can't afford it, you can. Get a couple of roommates, a couple of buddies, go get a one-bedroom apartment, just get the hell out of there.

20:27 Henry Rollins And it's easily the best time you'll ever have that first apartment.

20:31 Adam Yeah. Yeah, that's a good time. So I wish I could remember mine. Eric? Yeah. You're 16. What's up?

20:38 Caller I'm kind of nervous. First of all, you know, Adam, you know, you always talk about like the old sitcom humor.

20:44 Adam Yeah.

20:45 Caller You remember, like, I have a good one.

20:47 Adam Oh, no.

20:48 Caller This is no you think it's going to suck.

20:49 That's good.

20:50 Adam I know it's going to suck.

20:51 Caller Hey, you remember when like like the lead character, he'd get too many dates for the prom?

20:58 Adam Yeah.

20:59 Isn't that good?

21:00 Adam Oh, I see. Yeah, that's good.

21:03 Caller Yeah.

21:03 Adam Thanks, buddy.

21:04 Caller And you remember the ones.

21:05 Adam No, no, no. Listen, Eric, do you have a prom?

21:07 Caller Yeah.

21:07 Adam Can you turn your stereo down or whatever you got going in the background?

21:10 Drew It's like an orchestra tuning up behind him.

21:13 Caller All right.

21:13 Is that good?

21:15 Drew Yes. What's your question?

21:17 Caller Okay. I want to go. I'm going to go to the German talker this Thursday. Yeah. And I'm going to go on Accutane or we're going to talk about it. I don't want to tell her I do ecstasy.

21:28 Drew You better.

21:29 Adam Why? What's ecstasy and Accutane do?

21:31 Drew Well, Accutane is a very powerful drug, very effective drug. It's great for people with cystic acne, but it's now well shown to cause depression, and suicide. It makes people fatigued. It could be a miserable drug to be on for six months. And ecstasy makes that worse, much worse. And you need to talk to your doctor about these things. How do you figure? If she does, you can sue her because it's confidential information.

21:56 Adam Well, listen, why don't you just stop doing the ecstasy and then you can get on the end.

21:59 Henry Rollins Yeah, why don't you just like never do ecstasy again?

22:01 Caller How about that?

22:03 Henry Rollins What a great idea. Why not just not do drugs?

22:07 Drew Do you understand that ecstasy damages brain permanently?

22:09 Caller It does?

22:10 Drew Yeah.

22:10 Caller It doesn't seem that bad, though. It just makes me want to dance and stuff.

22:13 Drew Yeah. In about two years, you're going to have a big surprise.

22:17 Adam You'll be dancing all the way to the poor house, son. I just want to try to work the dance theme into something. What happened to the poor house? Does it exist anymore?

22:25 Henry Rollins Hey, Drew.

22:25 Drew Yeah.

22:26 Henry Rollins Does he run some kind of medical risk mixing the two?

22:29 Drew Just the added risk, the confounded risk of depression and suicide. But he's not having the affect of problems yet with ecstasy, but he will.

22:38 Caller So what should I tell the dermatologist?

22:40 Drew You've got to be honest, yes.

22:42 Caller I have to?

22:43 Adam Well, listen, I just stopped doing the X and not be honest. Listen, can you stop now?

22:50 Caller I don't have to tell her.

22:52 Adam Yeah. Is that true?

22:53 Drew Well, you should talk to your doctors when you start having the depression from the ecstasy, because that's going to happen within the next couple of years.

22:59 Henry Rollins You know what a person is who can't stop doing a drug? They're a drug addict.

23:04 Caller I'm not a drug addict. I could stop.

23:06 Henry Rollins Oh, yeah?

23:06 Caller I've only done it 12 times.

23:07 Henry Rollins How many times? Man, if I had a dollar over every time I heard that.

23:11 Adam You'd be a richer man. Hey, Eric?

23:13 Caller Yeah?

23:14 Adam Listen, your brain has not dried yet. Your brain doesn't fully dry until you're like 18, and if it's like a sidewalk and you carve initials into that wetsum, it'll never, ever come out again. Just all you, stop screwing with your brains until it dries, you know? Then once it dries, you can smack it around a little, park the car on it, it's fine. But you ever see like a leaf that's indented, an old sidewalk or some initials from 1947? It's there. Stop messing with your brains. I mean, let it mature, let it dry, let it cool off, whatever you want to call it, whatever, however you want to explain it, and then you can mess with it a little bit. But don't do it at 14, 15. I just, I mean, Eric didn't sound like he was in great shape anyway. I could only imagine what the excessive use of acts was doing to him. Henry Rollins is our guest tonight. I'll give you some of his spoken word tour dates when we come back. Also, Shaggy's gonna be in here tomorrow night. A guy's been making the rounds. So I'm on Saturday Night Live and God knows what else. We'll be back after this.

24:19 Caller Love Line will be right back. Tonight Love Line is brought to you by Car Toys. On 947NRK, the New Rock Alternative. We're glad you're here.

24:41 Caller 947NRK.

24:48 Hey, Loveline.

24:50 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. Sorry to interrupt that story. We'll pick it up in the next commercial. Henry Rollins is our guest tonight. Henry's got himself a Spoken Word tour. He's going to be in San Diego tomorrow night. On Thursday, March 1st, he'll be in Santa Ana and Phoenix and Albuquerque. Is it? You got a website?

25:15 Henry Rollins Yeah, they can go to 21361.com, which is February 13th, 1961. It's my birthday. So, 21361.com. It has all the tour dates on there.

25:26 Adam And I think we'll hear something off of Rollins and the Rye as well tonight. Also, you can pick up that CD also by punching into that website and going into the music stores.

25:39 Henry Rollins Yeah, it's everywhere.

25:40 Adam All right. Let's hop on the phones. Talk to Bob. Bob is 21. Bob?

25:45 Henry Rollins Hi.

25:46 How's it going, Adam?

25:47 Adam Good.

25:48 Henry Rollins Hey, I'm a huge Rollins fan.

25:50 Adam Well, here he is.

25:51 Henry Rollins Dude, how's it going, man?

25:53 Henry Rollins Oh, good. Good.

25:54 Henry Rollins So, what's going on?

25:57 Henry Rollins Well, what, with me?

25:58 Henry Rollins Yeah.

25:59 Henry Rollins I'm working on a band album and getting gearing up for about 57 talking shows in about nine countries.

26:05 Henry Rollins Yeah, I can't wait for the new album. I have Sweatbox. The spoken word CD kicks ass.

26:09 Henry Rollins Oh, thanks. Yeah, the new one's out now. And there's one coming out in April on our website. So, there's a lot of stuff going on.

26:17 Cool.

26:18 Adam I'm looking for some dates. You're calling from Eugene?

26:22 Caller Yeah.

26:23 Adam He's going to be in Portland in the beginning of April.

26:27 Caller Of course.

26:27 Henry Rollins Those bastards get all the good shows.

26:30 Henry Rollins I haven't played Eugene for a while. I used to play there about twice a year. That was always a good town for me.

26:35 Henry Rollins The coolest thing that ever happened in this town was you two came to our town five years ago, but then they played at the stadium here, but the neighbors complained about the noise, and so then they were like, well, I'm sorry. You can't ever come back here again.

26:51 Adam So that's it. Way to go. How long does it take to get from Eugene to Portland?

26:55 About two hours.

26:56 Adam All right. Well, you love Henry, right?

26:58 Henry Rollins Oh, yeah. He rules.

26:59 Adam All right.

27:00 Henry Rollins Well, then go see him in Portland.

27:01 Drew Is that it, Bob?

27:02 Henry Rollins I definitely will.

27:04 Henry Rollins Bob, do you have any questions for the good doctor and his corny friend? His drunk friend.

27:09 Adam No respect.

27:10 Drew What's your question?

27:11 Adam Barely drunk. Thank you.

27:13 Henry Rollins I messed up.

27:14 Henry Rollins What are you going to do though, I guess, right? Call on the show and ask about it. But I'm like not gay and stuff, right? Right.

27:23 Henry Rollins Of course not.

27:24 Henry Rollins I like the taste of a man's semen.

27:28 Adam Well, who doesn't enjoy a shot of semen now and again?

27:31 Henry Rollins He tasted your own or that of someone else?

27:34 Henry Rollins Well, it first started out with me and my girlfriend and she'd like give me oral sex and then she kissed me afterwards. I was like, okay. Then I was like, I don't know.

27:43 Drew That's just punishment. She's trying to get back at you.

27:46 Right? I don't know. I didn't really mind.

27:48 Drew Passive aggressive.

27:49 Henry Rollins What? Now you want to check out other guys or you've checked out other guys? What's your deal there?

27:55 Henry Rollins Well, then after that, then we had like a threesome with another guy and stuff, right?

27:59 Adam Yeah.

28:00 Henry Rollins Well, then she would go down on him and do the oral sex and then she'd give me a kiss after that and then I kind of started liking him. I'm like, wow, that's really cool.

28:07 Drew What's with your girlfriend?

28:08 Adam Perfectly natural, perfectly healthy behavior. I don't see what the problem is, Bob.

28:12 Henry Rollins But the thing is, I'm not like, I'm not into guys.

28:15 Adam Right. But listen, Bob, you may not be into guys, but if you got a hankering for semen.

28:21 Drew That's why one way you're going to get that.

28:23 Adam Yeah. Yes, until we can fully synthesize the semen.

28:28 Drew Harvest, be fair.

28:28 Adam Harvest the semen.

28:29 Drew Yeah. Harvest and keep, you know, store.

28:32 Adam You may be gay by default, Bob.

28:34 Henry Rollins No, dude, I'm not gay. I mean, to be totally honest, I've never really had, I mean, it kind of grosses me out to think about it, but it's like, I kind of like it, though. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the taste of it, you know?

28:44 Drew Yeah, but what about seeing your girlfriend give another guy oral sex? Didn't that bug you?

28:49 Henry Rollins A little bit, you know, but isn't that the rules of the threesome anyway?

28:53 Adam It's the price you pay to get to the semen.

28:55 Henry Rollins Yeah, that's the way it's got to be, I guess.

28:58 Adam Hey, Bob, you're like a guy who's calling in and saying, you're vegan, you just love the taste of a McDonald's burger and you can't get enough of them. Yeah. And then saying in the next breath, you're vegan.

29:09 Henry Rollins Yeah, I know. That's the dilemma I find myself in, you know?

29:13 Adam Yeah. Bob, don't marry this girl.

29:17 Henry Rollins Don't marry her.

29:19 Adam Right?

29:20 I guess.

29:22 Adam Well, I know it sounds like outlandish advice, but...

29:25 Henry Rollins Yeah, I know, I know.

29:26 Adam I just, I don't want another figurine on that cake. I don't want you or like another plastic guy on there with semen coming out of it. Yeah. Just take it slow. And you know what we were talking about driving from Eugene out to Portland? Yeah. I think it's a little longer, two hours, since you just saved that gas money. Relax.

29:44 Drew Just relax. How come you're not bugging him for whether or not he's on medication?

29:48 Adam I don't know. Are you okay, Bob? Is there anything nutty about you?

29:52 Henry Rollins No, I'm not overly nutty.

29:54 Drew Nothing. Nothing at all.

29:56 All right.

29:57 Adam All right. How long have you been with this gal, Bob?

30:01 Henry Rollins About a year and two months.

30:03 Drew Wow.

30:03 All right.

30:04 Drew Impressive.

30:05 Henry Rollins Was this the first threesome or is she just into this kind of thing?

30:11 Henry Rollins As far as I know, we've had a couple after that, but as far as I know, this is the first time she's ever done it was with me.

30:17 Drew This reminds me of Jim the Zoophiliac.

30:20 Henry Rollins This is sort of that.

30:20 Adam It's very casual about a semen consumption. Bob, what about a threesome with you and two gals?

30:27 Henry Rollins Well, that would be fine too. I'd love that.

30:29 Adam Okay. Well, let me put you down for that then.

30:31 Henry Rollins Okay.

30:31 Adam Yeah. Let's see if we can work that out for you. You're in Eugene? Yeah. Yeah. I'll put my guys to work on it. All right, Bob.

30:37 There's plenty of them.

30:38 Adam All right, Bob. Bob, no kids, right, buddy?

30:41 All right.

30:41 Drew Please, wear a condom.

30:43 So, wear a condom.

30:44 Drew That semen that you had transported to your mouth could be full of HIV, and you can get HIV that way, and hepatitis C, so.

30:51 Yeah, I know.

30:52 Henry Rollins I was kind of worried about that too.

30:53 Drew Enjoy.

30:54 Adam All right, buddy. Easy now. All right. Please, Drew, enjoy. Oh, my God. Oh, I wish I was back on that float. I've thrown out this timeless sort of beat. Alex?

31:08 Yeah.

31:09 Adam You're 17.

31:10 Caller Yeah. How's it going, Adam? How's it going, Drew?

31:12 Adam Good. Say hi to Henry Rollins.

31:14 Caller I'm an enormous fan of yours. I have been for years. I've heard everything you recorded, seen every movie you've been in, most importantly read every single one of your books.

31:22 Henry Rollins Oh, thanks, man. Wow.

31:23 Adam 17.

31:24 Caller You're the reason that I'm drug-free, alcohol-free my entire life. I have been. Your article, The Iron, is the reason I started lifting weights and doing martial arts.

31:32 Henry Rollins Wow. That's great. You're doing the martial arts, man.

31:34 Caller Yeah, I'm doing Kempel.

31:35 Henry Rollins That'll give you the serious confidence.

31:37 Caller Yeah. I'm also a guitar player, and I was a really big Chris Haskett fan, and I wanted to know what happened to him, Tim Kaine, and Melvin Gibbs.

31:44 Henry Rollins Okay. Chris Haskett is living in New York. He's got kind of an Avant Trio that plays around the city. He's doing music for Bowie's website and David Bowie's website. And Melvin Gibbs is the proud father of a new baby girl, and he is playing with a guy named DJ Logic. He has his own band named Harriet Tubman, who has a record on Knitting Factory Records. And he's, you know, he does his Avant Jazz bass thing, and he's probably cranking out a session work, six to 20 albums a year for other people. And Tim Kaine was playing with the Jay Giles band last summer.

32:20 Caller Holy Christ.

32:21 Henry Rollins And he's also playing with a guy named David Poe, who's a singer-songwriter from the East Village, exceptionally good, East Village of New York. And he's on a Poe's record that's on Sony. And I think they're writing new stuff and living in Manhattan. So all three of them are living in New York and they're doing their music thing and doing quite well actually, all three of them.

32:42 Caller All right, cool.

32:43 Caller I got one more question.

32:45 Adam Hold on. You see everyone when you don't do drugs, you can give those answers. You understand?

32:49 Drew See how that works?

32:50 Adam Yeah, ask most guys who come on this show, like what happened to the band?

32:54 Henry Rollins What's your other question?

32:55 Drew I got another example. Adam, wait, hang on a second. Adam, what did you have for breakfast?

32:58 Caller Huh? Just to take you back kind of to the Black Flag days, but I was kind of curious as to what made you decide to stop being straight edge and if it had anything to do with Charles Manson.

33:10 Henry Rollins Me stop being straight edge? I never, that's a weird term, because one guy's version of straight edge means you don't eat meat and you don't do this and you don't have sex. And all those classifications, I don't really care about any of that. I'm going to do what I want to do. And so I never started or stopped. And Charles Manson was just a guy I read about just like everyone else really. So I don't really have an answer for you there.

33:38 Adam I always thought straight edge just meant drug and booze free. I didn't know it was the entire lifestyle.

33:43 Henry Rollins Yeah, I've heard some pretty intense definitions of that term so I always stayed away from it, you know?

33:49 Adam It's like a sober guy who would beat you up. Right. That's what I always figured with the straight edge. But I never looked into it that closely. Liz?

33:57 Yes?

33:57 Adam You're 24.

33:59 Caller Hi.

33:59 Adam What's up?

34:00 Caller I just want to say how much I love you guys and I think you just do great things for people.

34:04 Thank you.

34:05 Caller I am currently in a long distance relationship and my father just passed away suddenly. And my boyfriend, and I have a really good friend, this call is about this really good friend who.

34:16 Drew Where's your boy? You said your boyfriend is long distance away?

34:19 Caller My boyfriend is long distance.

34:20 Drew Where is he?

34:21 Caller He's in Florida.

34:22 Drew You're in Indiana.

34:23 Caller And I'm in Indiana.

34:24 Drew How did that happen?

34:25 Caller We actually met in Cincinnati.

34:28 Drew Oh, that explains it.

34:29 Caller It was kind of a weird thing, but we've been long distance for a while, but we're still really serious and I'm planning to move down there. I'm here with my family to help my mom through this really hard time. And I have a really good friend from college who is very close to me and he and my father helped me through some really hard times in college. I was raped and these guys just did my father, and this guy really stood by me. And I really want to go see him and visit him. Actually, he got your autograph for me when this all happened. And who's? Dr. Drew.

35:03 Adam Oh, really?

35:03 Caller Yeah. In Colorado, he said you're on vacation.

35:06 Drew Yeah. Yeah.

35:07 Adam Well, there you go.

35:08 Drew You mean it this year at Copper Mountain?

35:10 Caller Yes. Yeah. And it just happened in December, so.

35:15 Adam The rape?

35:16 Caller No, my dad's death.

35:18 Adam Okay. When did the rape happen?

35:20 Caller In college about five years ago.

35:22 Adam All right. And the question is?

35:24 Caller And the question is, I need my boyfriend to be okay with me going to visit this guy. I want to go and visit him while I'm still living at home, so it's not like I'm leaving my boyfriend to go see him.

35:34 Drew I generally have real issues with this kind of thing, with a partner, or a romantic partner, objecting to another person going somewhere and staying in the vicinity of a, quote, friend. But I really believe Liz, and she really sort of needs this now.

35:50 Adam Yeah.

35:50 Drew Well, I would think the boyfriend would comply with that.

35:53 Adam Was this a guy that you had a relationship with?

35:55 Drew Just a hold on.

35:56 Caller Oh, totally platonic.

35:57 Drew No, it's a college.

35:57 Henry Rollins No, wait. Now, are you saying that the boyfriend in Florida is having a problem with you going to visit your friend friend?

36:02 Caller Yes. And I asked him to come with me. And I think, I know that he's really jealous of our closeness, but it's completely platonic.

36:10 Drew And normally, I'd say, yeah, you ought to respect his feelings, and that's your priority, that's your romantic relationship.

36:15 Henry Rollins He's probably jealous of the friendship.

36:17 Drew But whatever it is, this is important to her, and he's got to go with it. He's got to let her do it.

36:21 Henry Rollins Yeah. And you know, any guy is going to try and shut you down for hanging out with one of your male friends who's your buddy, that guy's got to get it together.

36:29 Adam And especially...

36:30 Henry Rollins And trust you more.

36:31 Drew Well, see, we believe that male-female friendships are because at least one of them, at one time at least, wanted to have a romantic relationship. And that's Adam and I believe.

36:39 Caller Everyone thinks that, but our... And we talk about it too.

36:43 Like we're very open about it.

36:45 Caller So...

36:45 Drew Is he gay?

36:46 Caller No, he's not.

36:47 Henry Rollins And he never had an interest in you besides Platonic?

36:50 Caller No. Well, we talk about that and we both say no, but I think it's so that... I think it's to keep it...

36:57 Drew Who had it? Who had the problem? Who had the interest?

37:00 Caller I think we probably both did. We've been friends for 10 years.

37:04 Drew Who had the... Who had the initial interest? Honestly.

37:08 Caller Probably me.

37:09 Drew Okay. And now you don't.

37:10 Caller And no.

37:11 Drew If he were to completely... If he were going to declare his love to you when you go out to Colorado and make himself available, no go?

37:19 Caller No.

37:19 Drew Okay.

37:19 Adam All right.

37:20 Caller Because I'm completely in love with my boyfriend. But is it unfair to do this?

37:23 Adam No.

37:23 Drew No, we give it a blessing.

37:25 Henry Rollins No, it's unfair not to do it. It's unfair to cave into your boyfriend. It's not fair to you.

37:30 Adam And here's the deal. If this guy was an ex-boyfriend, if you had a thing with him at one time... .a sexual relationship and now you're coming to stay with him, I could understand your current boyfriend getting a little wiggy about it. But this guy's been a friend for ten years longer or eight years longer and you've known your boyfriend, fine, you've got a track record.

37:50 Caller Well, and I have one other question. One of the things to try to make this platonic thing happen now that my father's passed away, we've even talked about him giving me away in our wedding.

38:00 Drew Yeah, your boyfriend's got to get a grip on himself.

38:04 Adam But here's the other thing too, Liz. That's getting, I don't know, it seems like you get really enmeshed with this one guy who's your platonic friend and you have like other friends, other girlfriends and stuff like that.

38:18 Caller Oh yeah, and we talk about that.

38:20 Drew He's not going to replace your dad. Don't let that happen.

38:22 Adam Right, only I can do that. Thanks, Liz.

38:26 Caller Okay, thanks.

38:26 Adam All right. Oh boy. You know, it's weird, it's like at the very beginning, we were like, ah, no, go see the dude. And then she kind of kept talking and we talk about not being attracted to each other a lot and how we don't want to have sex with each other and stuff. And then I started to sort of think about the boyfriend with these two sitting around talking about not wanting to have sex.

38:44 Drew Yeah.

38:44 Adam And I still think she should go over there.

38:47 Drew I agree.

38:48 Adam But with the giving away, I mean, just to let it rest a little too much. All right. Henry Rollins is our guest tonight. Shaggy in here tomorrow night. We will take ourselves a break. We'll be back after this.

39:02 Caller Yeah, you're listening to that Loveline show with Adam and Dr. Carolla right here on 94.7 NRK, The New Rock Alternative.

39:27 Adam Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam Corolla, that is Dr. Drew, Shaggy will be in here tomorrow night. Henry Rollins is our guest tonight, a Rollins in the Rise, the name of the spoken word, CD. You can tap on to Henry's website, which is...

39:45 Henry Rollins 231361.com.

39:47 Adam And find out where he's going to be, and he will be in a town near you, because I'm looking at this itinerary, and he is all over this great land of ours. So punch that up and find out when he's coming near you, and go see him, and we're going to hear something from the spoken word CD. I don't know what we're going to hear. Henry, do you know what we're going to hear?

40:09 Henry Rollins No idea.

40:10 Adam All right. Well, I guess spoken word doesn't need too much setup.

40:14 Drew Gay neighbor?

40:14 Henry Rollins Oh, yeah. It's a thing about these gay neighbors I used to have in my old house in Silver Lake. I had these really loud gay neighbors who I used to try and inspire during sex by playing Black Sabbath for them.

40:30 Adam Well, for those of you who don't know Silver Lake around the country, that is sort of is artistic environment, and is gay in environment is you're going to community is you're going to find, but most sort of more artsy than gay.

40:44 Henry Rollins Yeah, you're low rent rockers and you're gay guys.

40:48 Drew Your sister cut hair in Silver Lake.

40:49 Adam You're struggling. You're struggling artist. Yeah, my sister is really funny. My sister lives in Silver Lake now, always had houses in Silver Lake and worked at a very gay salon in Silver Lake. This is many years ago, but I remember we were all sitting around at my grandmother's table, and someone said, what percentage of the population do you think is gay? My sister said very seriously, I don't know, 60, 70 percent. I was like, are you high? I realized every single person she saw every day was gay. In her, she was like, well, it's probably 100 percent. Well, I'll be conservative, but I'm going to be conservative, knock 30 points off and go down to 70 percent. So that was her silver perspective. But let's, I said, get back to a Rollins and a Ryan. Here's a little snippet of the neighbors.

41:44 Henry Rollins I used to rock the guys next door to me when I lived on Maltman. I live next door to like a house, like with five gay guys. And you know how you guys are. No matter what bolt of cloth you're cut from, you're thinking about sex all the time. You know, unless you're into the Smiths, the Cure or something. And you know what, that's cool too. You're still my friend, you know. But the guys next door, they would get it on all the time because they're guys living with guys who are into guys. And so it's like, well, it's like noon. And they were never subtle. It was not like, let's make love. It was, yeah! During the day, and I'd be in there like furiously writing my brilliant and visionary, angst-ridden poetry, which I'd read.

42:37 Caller No one knows me.

42:38 Henry Rollins I'm the enigma.

42:39 Caller No one likes me. I am the Lord of Darkness.

42:44 Henry Rollins You know, so, it was a long time ago. I'm much more mature now. So these guys would be getting it on next to me. You could hear it like through the side of the house, through their house.

42:58 Caller You just like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, oh come on.

43:03 Henry Rollins And I just thought it was so cool. Because you hear like, you know, like this loin slapping.

43:10 Caller And like, yeah, yeah, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

43:12 Henry Rollins And you hear like this bands of creaking something banging against the wall.

43:15 Go go go go go go go go go go.

43:17 Henry Rollins I would put on the Mob Rules album by Sabbath. Because Dio's vocals on there are so righteous. And I thought it was like get them psyched up. I wasn't trying to drown them out.

43:39 Caller I was trying to like get them just.

43:43 Caller So you like blow the roof off the place.

43:48 Adam That is a little snippet off of Rollins and the Rye. Henry Rollins' new spoken word CD. You can check out Henry live if you live somewhere on earth in the next couple of months. Because I guarantee he'll be in a town near you, even if you're out of town. All right. We'll hop on the phones. We're going to hear some more off the CD, I think before the night is true as well. Andrew.

44:17 Hi.

44:17 Adam Hey, you're 26. What's up?

44:19 Caller I just wanted to say hey to Henry. I'm a fan.

44:22 Henry Rollins Oh, thanks, man.

44:23 Caller Dig Think Tank. I have to drive up to catch you in San Francisco when you're here.

44:26 Henry Rollins Where do you live?

44:27 Caller I'm in Fresno. I'm like three hours away.

44:29 Henry Rollins Okay. Yeah.

44:30 Caller But I'm still there. Oh, great. I don't know how much you're online. I was curious if you had ever seen punkasspunk.com. It has a comic called Floating Henry Rollins' Head Haiku and it's your head in Haiku comics every day.

44:43 Henry Rollins Oh, no, I've never checked out.

44:47 Caller I think you'd probably like it.

44:49 Henry Rollins Maybe I would. Maybe it'd be like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

44:52 Caller I don't know. That's it.

44:56 Henry Rollins Thanks, Andrew. We'll see you in SF.

44:58 Caller Pardon?

44:58 Henry Rollins We'll see you in San Francisco.

44:59 Caller Definitely.

45:00 Adam Take care, Andrew. All right. Let's talk to Kay, who's 15. Kay?

45:07 Caller Yeah, hi.

45:09 Caller First of all, I just want to say, Adam, me and my friend love you.

45:11 My friend Nina, we would do anything for you.

45:13 Drew Did you put his name on your shoes?

45:15 Caller What?

45:16 Drew Nothing.

45:17 Adam Did you put my name on your shoes?

45:18 Caller It's all over my notebooks.

45:19 Adam Okay. That's good. But the shoe, I'd like the shoe too. That means you've arrived. Oh, Henry, your guy has been on shoes for years. I've worked on it for you. He put on the shoes and the peachy folder. That's how you know.

45:29 Henry Rollins Oh, let's say the peachy, then you're in.

45:30 Adam You're in. All right. What's up, Kay?

45:33 Okay. My psychologist and my in-school psychologist said that I was bi-holer and my mom doesn't blame mom. My mom's seriously like a psychotic or something. She will not believe them. She will not do anything to help me whatsoever.

45:46 Drew Why not?

45:47 Caller Because she hates me.

45:48 Drew Do you really believe that?

45:50 Oh yeah, definitely.

45:51 Adam No, she just acts like she does. Do you have a psychologist in school and out of school?

45:57 Yeah.

45:57 Adam And what about for the commute? Do you have one for the car? No. No, okay, so just two.

46:02 Yeah.

46:04 Adam And so you're opening up to your psychologist?

46:08 Not my one in school, but...

46:10 Drew Probably one.

46:12 The one in school, yeah, but not the one out of school.

46:14 Henry Rollins So your mother and, I guess, I presume your father, they're both paying for the out of school one. So doesn't that register with them that you have things you're trying to take care of?

46:24 Well, the school said that I had to, so that's why.

46:27 Drew Yeah, okay, but to parents, sometimes acknowledging that their child has any sort of mental disability or learning problems, anything, anything that's not perfect is a wound to the parents. And so they have real difficulty accepting it. It says something about them and their adequacy, and they won't let you be a separate person who has to struggle through life like we all do. And that's her crap. That's not you. Unfortunately, she won't support you. Unfortunately, you don't have a mom who is capable of really being a mom.

46:55 Let's see, she doesn't do anything.

46:56 I mean, she's like kicked me out of the house and called the cops on me like a hundred times now.

47:00 Adam Right.

47:00 Henry Rollins What have you done to prompt getting the cops called on you? You can't just be coming to the dinner table.

47:06 Drew She attacks? You attack her?

47:08 I attacked her.

47:08 Henry Rollins Okay. Well, you can't be doing that.

47:12 Caller That's not right.

47:13 Adam She deserved it?

47:14 Yeah, she deserved it.

47:16 Adam That was a preemptive strike for her calling the cops in 10 minutes?

47:21 Henry Rollins Does she hit you? Does she assault you?

47:22 Caller Yeah.

47:23 Henry Rollins Okay.

47:23 Adam Well, that's not right.

47:24 Henry Rollins That's just not right.

47:25 Adam What about your dad?

47:26 Caller My dad's cool.

47:28 Adam He is.

47:29 Henry Rollins Do they live together?

47:30 Yeah.

47:31 Henry Rollins Have you told your father about your mother? I mean, what's that about?

47:35 Yeah. He knows that my mom, like he doesn't do anything because like my mom is all like in control or whatever.

47:41 Henry Rollins Right. Running the show.

47:42 Adam Yeah. But you know what, Kay? We're all sitting here and I'm sure your mom is no dream mom. But on the other hand, you play a role in this.

47:54 Drew That's the only thing you can change is the part you contribute.

47:58 But I mean like what am I supposed to do? Because I mean, I can't like function. I mean, I've been told I like ADD and she won't like to pay for the test or anything like that. She says that.

48:07 Drew You have to function because you feel she's withholding the proper treatments that you need.

48:13 Well, yeah, because I mean, she will do anything for me.

48:15 Adam But who's paying for the out of school counselor?

48:18 Insurance. Yeah.

48:19 Drew Well, aren't they also prescribing for you?

48:22 Caller No, my mom won't let them because she says that I just have to deal with what I have.

48:26 Drew So she won't give consent for them to do what they need to do.

48:30 Adam Kay, why don't you really talk to your out of school counselor the next time you see him or her and really discuss this in depth for the full time and see what you two can arrive at and see if you can get the-

48:41 She can't make my mom do anything.

48:42 Adam Yeah, but if she understands it's very important to you and very important to your health, she will talk to your mother. Any good counselor will.

48:50 Drew And maybe bring mom to a session and really get her to accept it in a safer environment.

48:54 Adam All right, good times. We're going to take ourselves a break.

48:56 Drew Almost like riding on a float.

48:58 Adam Yeah. Oh, that was good. We'll be back after this.

49:03 Drew Hello? Is this Loveline?

49:04 Call 1-800-LOVE-191. Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back.

49:09 Caller Don't even think about touching that dial. Loveline will be right back on the new rock alternative.

49:15 Where's that voice guy at? 797-NRK.

49:29 Caller Hi, this is Brendan from Weedis and you're listening to Loveline, our 94.7 NRK.

49:43 Adam Yeah, there we go. Loveline. It's the two titans of radio, Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

49:49 Caller Yeah, I like that.

49:50 Adam Henry Rollins is our guest tonight. Henry's got himself a spoken word CD, as well as many, many dates to support that CD. So he will be at a town near you. You can log on to his website, which is his birth date, 1961, 62 is the year.

50:13 Henry Rollins February 13th, 1961 is 2-13-61. I turned 40 this year, Adam.

50:18 Adam Wow. But man, 40 ain't old anymore, is it? I mean, look at you two.

50:24 Drew Henry Rollins.

50:25 Henry Rollins I feel pretty good.

50:26 Adam I know. I mean, Drew, what are you? Oh, 42? Yeah. Fine, man.

50:31 Henry Rollins We're doing it. We're hanging in there.

50:33 Adam That's right.

50:34 Henry Rollins Keep telling yourself.

50:34 Drew You're gonna fall off that cliff in about five years.

50:36 Adam Give those kids a run. I think people are like cars, though. They're great for a while, and then they just come undone.

50:43 Oh, come on.

50:44 Henry Rollins Not if you maintain them.

50:45 Adam That's true. That's true. And Henry's a guy who changes his oil a lot.

50:51 Yeah, you better go to the phones.

50:54 Adam Julie?

50:55 Yes.

50:55 Adam Unlike a lot of our calls, you like the taste of another man's oil. You're 25. What's up?

51:01 Caller Right. I have a crush on someone who's 35. I've met him at church and I want to find out how I can tell if he's gay.

51:11 Drew Why does that even occur to you?

51:13 Caller Well, he just sort of, I don't know. I don't know any gay people, first of all. But he sort of, I don't know. He's not like other guys. He's a little feminine. Yeah.

51:28 Adam Has he been married before?

51:30 Caller No. I asked him if he's ever been married.

51:33 Drew Did you go out on a real date or was it just sort of coffee kind of thing? No.

51:36 Caller We went to a concert together. Well, under the pretenses that it would be, you know, just as friends.

51:42 Drew Why was it just as friends?

51:44 Caller Well, this was just because he just moved to town and I didn't know him that well. And I sort of like him now.

51:52 Drew Why was it just as friends? I mean, how did that happen? Why did you just ask him out?

51:56 Caller Because we both have a mutual interest in this group that was playing and we both were talking about it at church one day.

52:05 Drew And you said just as friends, let's go out for this concert.

52:08 Caller I didn't exactly say it like that, but I said it in a friendly way.

52:13 Adam Well, let's see if we can-

52:14 Caller I didn't hit on him or flirt with him.

52:15 Adam Let's see if we can figure out whether he's gay or not. What concert did you go to?

52:20 Caller The Los Angeles Master Crale, but he's a musician. He plays concert piano.

52:27 Adam He's inching toward-

52:27 Caller Well, he's coffee and I really like him.

52:31 Henry Rollins Why don't you just put a move on him and see what happens, otherwise, or just ask him.

52:35 Caller Yeah, but you don't ask people that. I mean, I don't want to offend him.

52:39 Adam No, you tell them they're gay. That's what I do. How did you leave it with him? Did you guys plan on going out again?

52:47 Caller Well, we're going to go out again in a week from Sunday.

52:52 Henry Rollins I think you'll find out real fast.

52:54 Adam Yeah.

52:55 Henry Rollins If you try and kiss him or something and he, well, if there's hesitation, you'll discuss it and then he'll either tell you. I mean, if you make a move on him, he's got to fess up one way or the other. You'll know.

53:09 Adam What's he do for a living?

53:11 Caller Well, he does musical theater. He plays all kinds of music.

53:18 Adam Plays the harp?

53:19 Caller No, he doesn't play the harp. He plays the piano.

53:21 Adam I see.

53:22 Caller He plays for all kinds of different things.

53:24 Adam Yeah. And is there really any real concrete evidence that he's gay? No.

53:31 Caller My brother met him and he said he's gay.

53:33 Adam Yeah, but that's a brother's job.

53:36 Drew But they're rarely wrong. Be fair.

53:38 Adam Well, all right. All right. So, Julie, go out again with him.

53:43 Drew Make a move.

53:44 Adam Get him loaded with wine coolers and make a move.

53:46 Caller Okay.

53:47 Drew All right, Julie.

53:48 Caller Thank you.

53:48 Adam Good times, man. That's a nice, innocent loveline call. Alicia?

53:53 Yeah.

53:53 Adam You're 15?

53:56 Caller Yeah.

53:56 Adam What's up?

53:58 Caller All right. When I was like six, I was over at my friend's house and we're like taking a shower with her and her little sister because we're little kids and all.

54:09 Drew No.

54:09 Adam All right. All right.

54:10 Drew How old is the little sister?

54:12 Caller Her little sister was like five, four.

54:16 Drew Just kind of inappropriate. They should throw a bunch of six roles in the tub together. But all right. All right.

54:21 Caller And then like afterwards, the little sister went into the room to go get dressed and me and her went into her parents' bedroom because we're like waiting for her little sister because she kind of went in ahead of us and locked the door.

54:32 Caller Yeah.

54:33 Caller And then we went in there and we're like in our towels and we're just like running around, jumping on the bed and goofing off. And then she like starts pinching me like down there. And I'm like, okay, stop. That hurts. And she kept doing it and that happened like a few times.

54:48 Caller Yeah.

54:50 Adam And she was six too?

54:52 Caller No, she was seven. She was a little bit older than I was.

54:54 Adam Right. So.

54:56 Drew All right. So.

54:57 Caller And then like I think it's starting to affect my life like these days and like not that long ago.

55:03 Drew No, we don't think so.

55:05 Adam That was that was all that happened with her?

55:07 Caller Yeah, but like not that long ago. I was like, wasn't sure if I was bi or not.

55:12 Drew Maybe you are bi, maybe you're just confused or maybe you're lesbian, but I don't think this had much to do with it.

55:17 Adam No. Where's your dad?

55:19 Caller My dad, he lives here with me.

55:22 Adam You get along with him?

55:23 Caller Yeah.

55:23 Drew Where's your mom?

55:24 Caller She's in the room next door.

55:27 Adam You get along with her too?

55:30 Caller Okay. Not that great, but okay.

55:32 Adam Yeah. Any trauma beside this episode?

55:36 Caller I've moved around a lot.

55:38 Drew Were you raped?

55:39 No.

55:40 Adam Any substance abuse in the family? No.

55:42 Drew Are you sexually active?

55:43 Caller No.

55:44 Adam Why did you move around a lot?

55:46 Caller Because I was born in New Zealand, and then I moved to Hawaii when I was four, and I grew up there, and two years ago, I moved here. But I've lived in like 10 different houses since.

55:57 Henry Rollins Why all the moves around in the 10 houses?

56:01 Caller Why?

56:02 Caller First, it was to be closer to my grandparents.

56:05 Henry Rollins But not because your dad's on the run or anything?

56:08 Caller No.

56:08 Henry Rollins Okay.

56:10 Adam Ten houses in a few years, and you can't explain that?

56:15 Caller Well, my dad was a missionary in New Zealand when he met my mom.

56:21 Adam All right. So he was out spreading the word, and you were going with him.

56:25 Drew You just are having difficulty.

56:26 Caller No, that's how they met. Then they retired from that, and they got married, and they had me and my two brothers.

56:32 Drew Why do they keep moving around?

56:33 Adam We're going to find out. Hey, Alicia? Yeah? I'm going to hang up on you if you don't tell us why you moved to ten different houses in the last seven years.

56:42 Caller To be closer to my grandparents who were in Hawaii, and then they moved to Arizona.

56:47 Adam And then they moved to eight other states, and you just followed them?

56:50 Caller No.

56:50 Adam Were they in a band?

56:52 Caller My dad's in college, is going to grad school now, and we're in college.

56:57 Adam I see. Okay. Well, now we know. Sort of. All right, Alicia?

57:02 Henry Rollins Yeah.

57:03 Adam I don't think you're as effed up as you think you are. See, most people call the show in their worst shape than they think they are. You may be in better shape than you think you are.

57:11 Caller Okay.

57:12 Drew And part of the, you're so detached from, you're confused even about what your life has been about, where you've been, why you've been. It's no wonder you have doubts about who you are, what your identity is. You can't even explain to us what your life story is, why you moved from point A to point B.

57:30 Caller I'm also a former cutter and former anorexic.

57:33 Adam Oh, now what's up with that? What do you think that is?

57:37 Caller I don't know. I just used to space out a lot and the only way I could come back was like by cutting myself.

57:43 Drew Are you in under care right now?

57:45 Caller Um, no.

57:46 Drew Clearly you should be, right?

57:48 Caller I don't know. That's fine.

57:50 Adam How did you stop the anorexia and the cutting?

57:53 Caller I just like my mom found out about the cutting and we just sat and talked about it and we prayed and we just, I just had to really force myself not to.

58:05 Adam All right. But maybe you should get a little help in the form of a counselor or something like that too. Do you have someone at school, something you can talk to?

58:15 Caller No, because just this year I started home school.

58:19 Adam What's up with the home school?

58:21 Caller My dad is totally pro home school and he did it to my older brother for a year and he thought it was really great.

58:27 Drew How's your older brother?

58:29 Caller My older brother is 16.

58:30 Drew He's what?

58:31 Caller He's 16.

58:32 Drew How's he doing?

58:33 Caller He's fine.

58:35 Adam When do you graduate home school? When the TV show your mom wants to watch is on? Or how do you know when you graduate? You get the GED?

58:44 Caller No, my dad does it but we send it into this company and they grade my work.

58:50 Henry Rollins Okay. Let me ask you a question. Since you're doing the home school thing, do you have a chance to interact with girls and boys your own age?

58:57 Caller Yes.

58:57 Henry Rollins On a regular basis?

58:58 Caller Yes.

58:59 Henry Rollins And how do you do that if you're not meeting them in school?

59:02 Caller Youth group, church, I do have my friends from public school. I've been in public school the rest of my life. All right.

59:08 Drew Well, you need to get some treatment for this. Something significant going on emotionally. Significant. You've been anorectic. That's a remission that does not something goes away necessarily even cutting. This is very serious symptoms and it needs to be dealt with.

59:24 Adam Yeah. I don't trust the home school parents. I understand the concept. I'm sort of all right with the concept, but I really...

59:31 Drew It's never carried out by the right people.

59:33 Adam Here's the deal. Eventually, you got to release them out of captivity and into the jungle.

59:39 Henry Rollins I just think that it's parents hiding their kids from the world. That has like a Waco, Texas thing happening. I don't like it.

59:47 Adam Well, it'd be great if they never had to be released into the wild, but they do. I mean, eventually, you got to step outside your front door.

59:57 Drew When they do, they will be spring-loaded.

59:59 Henry Rollins I just think teenagers should be around their peers all the time, bouncing off ideas.

1:00:03 Drew Peers are so important to teens. They just really need that.

1:00:07 Henry Rollins It's how you measure yourself. You should be out with your friends all the time. That homeschool thing, I think, is detrimental. You should campaign against it.

1:00:14 Adam All right. Well, look, you got your work cut out for you, and I wish you all the best. But you're not as... Well, no, you are a little bit screwed up. Sorry. Andrew?

1:00:24 Henry Rollins Hey, how's it going, guys?

1:00:25 Adam Hey, you're 35. What's up?

1:00:27 Henry Rollins Hey, I have a very brief, very amusing Henry Rollins anecdote to tell you before I ask my question.

1:00:32 Adam Great.

1:00:32 Henry Rollins I used to go see Henry Rollins at the On Broadway Nightclub in San Francisco about 1982. You with me, Henry?

1:00:37 Henry Rollins Sure, of course.

1:00:39 Henry Rollins One night on stage, these two punkettes on the front row kept tugging on your gym shorts. And after a while, you pulled your gym shorts down around your ankles. And to be honest, your mind was on your performance rather than a little procreation.

1:00:55 Henry Rollins Yeah, it's hard to get an erection in front of 800 people.

1:00:58 Henry Rollins I understand. And your words to the two...

1:01:00 Henry Rollins Not now, but it was then. Right.

1:01:02 Adam He was green. His penis was green.

1:01:04 Henry Rollins Your words to the two punkettes were something like, suck on it, it will get bigger.

1:01:09 Henry Rollins Well, thank you for that anecdote. You have a brilliant doctor and a great comedian here, and a marginally talented independent artist. So do you have a question for these two titans of radio?

1:01:21 Henry Rollins I was wondering, after all those years with the Rollins band and with the Black Flag, did you have hearing loss?

1:01:28 Henry Rollins In my right ear, I have a pretty continual pitch. Yeah, it's tinnitus, and something everyone should know. You don't have to go to many rock concerts to get tinnitus. Your high end of your hearing range will go very rapidly and very quickly, so even at your favorite rock concert, I advise that you plug your ears so you have hearing, because your high end is very precious.

1:01:51 Drew And people don't realize how incredibly miserable ringing in the ears can be.

1:01:55 Henry Rollins Sometimes it keeps me up at night. It's that loud.

1:01:58 Drew The problem with fingers in the ears is that bone conducts sound very well, so even plugging your ears is really...

1:02:04 Adam I mean, actually put some of those foam earplugs in there, right?

1:02:08 Drew I'm just saying, even if you do that, even if you plug your ears completely, bone conducts the sound very nicely.

1:02:13 Henry Rollins It certainly cuts down a bit, though.

1:02:15 Drew Cuts it down.

1:02:16 Adam But Drew, you're confusing everyone because you're saying putting your fingers in your ears.

1:02:19 Drew No, no. If you plug the hole to your ear with any object, it won't prevent the damage because the bone...

1:02:26 Adam Will it help?

1:02:27 Drew It might help in a really loud rock concert, it really doesn't do that much.

1:02:30 Adam Really?

1:02:31 Drew Yeah. The bone conducts it very well.

1:02:32 Adam I understand that, but just physically, it's a lot more tolerable. Do you know what I mean? I mean, it doesn't hurt your ears, aren't ringing as much and all that.

1:02:41 Henry Rollins But you're still getting the damage, and what goes first is your high end. Yeah. When I went on my ears very quickly.

1:02:48 Adam All right. Let's talk to Joey who's 16. Joey.

1:02:54 Caller Hi. How's it going?

1:02:55 Adam Good. How are you doing?

1:02:57 Caller Pretty good.

1:02:57 Adam All righty.

1:02:59 Caller So I don't know. I've just been listening to the show a lot, and this is the first time I ever called, so I'm excited.

1:03:04 Adam All right. Thanks. What's the question?

1:03:06 Caller Well, today I was sitting in my grandmother's house. She lives in an apartment, and I got a phone call from the landlord, who's about, you know, 75, 80, and, you know, we were just talking about stuff, and he's like, I said, you want to come upstairs? And I was like, OK, I don't know. I got to stay down here for a little while, but maybe after that, he's like, well, do you know why I want you to come upstairs? And I'm like, no. And he said, well, I want to make love to you. And I'm like, and it just totally freaked me out. And then he started talking about all this weird sexual stuff. And I just don't know what he was saying. He was just saying, well, I'm going to make you shoot off to the moon and all this really, really scary stuff.

1:03:59 Henry Rollins How old are you?

1:04:00 Caller I'm 16.

1:04:00 Henry Rollins OK.

1:04:02 Adam And did you ever go up there?

1:04:05 Caller No, no, no, I never did. I just freaked me out. And I just hung up the phone. I locked the door.

1:04:10 Adam Right. Now, you're scared. Now, that guy's obviously a piece of work. Are you scared that your grandmom's in any kind of danger?

1:04:18 Caller No, I think he's kind of harmless himself. But I think the fact that he did this, and he actually, I talked to my little brother. Well, he's not that little. He's younger than me.

1:04:30 Henry Rollins And he's little enough.

1:04:31 Caller Yeah, he did to him, too.

1:04:33 Henry Rollins Oh, really?

1:04:34 Caller So, I'm just, it's just, I'm sorry.

1:04:36 Henry Rollins I think you should make a phone call and bring in some authorities, because if he's doing it to, like, two kids, he's doing it to 20.

1:04:42 Drew Yep.

1:04:42 Henry Rollins And if he touches any one, he's done tons of damage, and he should just be shut down.

1:04:48 Drew Yeah, Joey, you gotta tell him that.

1:04:49 Henry Rollins It's called a pedophile, you know, and no one likes him.

1:04:54 Adam Hey, Joey?

1:04:55 Caller Yeah?

1:04:55 Adam Yeah. Do you have a dad or your mom you can talk to?

1:04:58 Caller Yeah.

1:04:59 Drew Yeah, tell him.

1:05:00 Henry Rollins And to not say anything is endangering other people who might not be able to ward off an attack.

1:05:07 Drew Especially in cases like this, omission becomes as bad as commission.

1:05:11 Caller Well, I've got another quick question, really quick.

1:05:13 Henry Rollins Well, hold on a minute. You are gonna do something, right?

1:05:15 Caller Oh, yes.

1:05:16 Henry Rollins Okay, good, good.

1:05:17 Caller Okay. In the past couple years, I think since probably I was like 12, I smoked a little pot and I drank a little alcohol, but not really that much, just a little bit on the weekends and in the summer, I did a lot more, but I quit about a year ago.

1:05:34 Adam Sure, you're 15, you had unwind, 10th grade's a bitch.

1:05:38 Drew At the Veterans Affairs Office.

1:05:40 Adam Sure, yeah.

1:05:41 Caller I don't know.

1:05:42 Drew Union meetings and all, you know.

1:05:44 Henry Rollins So what's your question?

1:05:46 Drew RBW.

1:05:47 Henry Rollins Don't let these monkeys climb all over you.

1:05:49 Adam That's right, shop stewards up your ass. You need a break.

1:05:53 Caller So what kind of effect would that have, like, on, you know, like...

1:05:56 Drew Well, the... probably not much with the alcohol. And there's some evidence that smoking pot, even occasionally in the 15, 16-year-old group, can be associated with some lack of development of the right frontal lobe of the brain, which is what you're using to negotiate your development. It's what needs to grow at this time in your life. So it may have some impact. And I'm more concerned that there may be sort of a burgeoning addictive process. So you're sort of priming yourself for a more serious issue.

1:06:23 Adam Well, you've been out of it for a year, right?

1:06:25 Caller Yeah, yeah, no. I'm totally, I'm totally, I have like self-control. Yeah. I haven't even looked at this stuff.

1:06:32 Adam All right, listen, I believe you in just the fact that you didn't go upstairs and give a BJ to Pops Larson to try to get Granny a break on next month's rent means you're all right. All right?

1:06:44 Caller Okay, yeah.

1:06:44 Adam All right, you're fine. But do do something about this. Tell your folks and make a phone call. And here's the deal with this kind of stuff. Oh, these guys are such vermin. I love the fact that these I always laugh when I hear about these guys getting abused in prison always brings a little smile to my face when these guys do actually go in eventually. But if this guy's doing it to you and your brother, Henry's right, he's doing it to 20 or 120 other people, especially if one person has to go through that, it does a number on you for the rest of your life.

1:07:16 Henry Rollins And so you got to act up and shut this guy down.

1:07:19 Adam And if this guy does a number on a guy, he's probably going to go out and do a number on someone else. Not this guy, his victim oftentimes.

1:07:27 Drew Will become the perpetrator.

1:07:28 Adam Will become the perpetrator. And furthermore, it's important, even if the cops don't do anything to this guy, to establish a record so that the next time he does something, there's a phone call made and there's something established. Or maybe this is that next time, you never know. Suzanne?

1:07:46 Yeah?

1:07:46 Adam You're 34.

1:07:47 Caller Hey, what's up?

1:07:48 Adam What's up?

1:07:49 Caller I want to say hi to Henry Rollins.

1:07:50 Henry Rollins Hello, dear.

1:07:52 Caller Thank you for all the stuff you've done. I've been seeing black flags since 1981. And I really admire your work and all your spoken word. Stuff you do with Lydia Lynch. I really like to.

1:08:02 Henry Rollins Yeah, she's cool.

1:08:03 Caller Yeah, she's way cool. OK, my question is, I'm in a relationship right now. And my boyfriend and I, we decided like not to do drugs or alcohol anymore. Like almost a year ago. And when we first started doing this, everyone was saying that it was really dangerous for us to be early in sobriety and living together. And I mean, he seems to be like my soulmate. So I mean, we're doing everything we can to be good to everyone, to ourselves and to each other. And it's getting closer and closer to that point to moving out. And I'm just getting really freaked out about it. And everyone's just like, don't do it. You know, it's just too early. It's going to be destruction. You're going to end up going out.

1:08:51 Drew Wait, moving out?

1:08:52 Caller Yeah.

1:08:53 Drew What do you mean?

1:08:54 Henry Rollins What, he's leaving, someone's leaving, or someone's moving in together?

1:08:56 Caller We're moving in together.

1:08:58 Henry Rollins Okay.

1:08:58 Drew So it's almost time to do that. Is that what you're saying?

1:09:00 Caller Yeah.

1:09:01 Adam All right.

1:09:02 Drew How's your sobriety been?

1:09:03 Caller I'm good. Excellent.

1:09:05 Adam You going to meetings?

1:09:05 Caller Yeah.

1:09:06 Adam Talking to your sponsor?

1:09:07 Caller Yeah.

1:09:08 Adam And is he doing the same thing?

1:09:09 Caller Yeah.

1:09:10 Adam And you guys have known each other for over a year?

1:09:12 Caller Almost a year.

1:09:13 Adam All right.

1:09:13 Drew Did you meet in treatment?

1:09:15 Caller No. We decided to do treatment at the same time.

1:09:19 Adam Yeah.

1:09:21 Drew The problem with that, I mean, it can work, is that you need to sort of release one another to grow in whatever direction you need to grow in order to progress through recovery. And sometimes being in a relationship kind of keeps you stuck in whatever sort of mold you were in before, let's call it. And if you both been able to grow at a similar pace, things are going okay. What does the sponsor say about this?

1:09:47 Caller She thinks that I should live out on my own.

1:09:49 Drew Well, then you know the first sign of a relapse is thinking for yourself, right?

1:09:54 Caller Right.

1:09:54 Drew Okay, so you're being relapsed if you don't follow her direction.

1:09:57 Adam Well, that's first sign of relapse is thinking for yourself?

1:10:01 Drew At this stage of the game, you got to follow direction. That is it. And anything short of that becomes part of relapse.

1:10:06 Henry Rollins And you know what? You guys can have a great time and not live together. And when people rehab really close together, I have my experience like with friends, the relationship seems to fall apart. And maybe maybe Dr. Drew has some harder facts. I've just seen it with people I know. They used together and then they clean up and they stay together and it falls apart. And I don't think...

1:10:32 Drew Or they both go out again.

1:10:33 Henry Rollins Yeah. And I think y'all should... You don't need to jump into one place. You live down the street from home.

1:10:39 Adam Where are you living now?

1:10:41 Caller Well, we live together now.

1:10:44 Adam What? Are you sure you're not high?

1:10:46 Caller Yeah, positive.

1:10:48 Adam All right. Hold on a second. Well, wait a minute.

1:10:49 Henry Rollins You're living together and then you're going to move in together? So haven't you already done the thing that you say you're tempted to do?

1:10:54 Drew That people don't want you to do?

1:10:55 Adam She started off by saying they were living together. And then she was saying that they were thinking about moving in. And so we said, oh, so you're not living here.

1:11:03 Drew It was time to move out, she said. Remember?

1:11:05 Henry Rollins What, are you living in your parents' house?

1:11:06 Drew And Henry said, somebody's moving out? No, no, we're moving in.

1:11:09 Caller No, actually, Paul. Yeah. No, actually, I was staying with him in his one bedroom apartment with the intention of getting my own apartment. And then we discussed, oh, well, let's just get a bigger place and live together, like, for good.

1:11:23 Drew Which you're already doing.

1:11:25 Caller Yeah.

1:11:25 Drew How long have you been living with him?

1:11:27 Caller Like six months.

1:11:28 Adam Yeah. How old is he?

1:11:30 Caller Like 20.

1:11:31 Henry Rollins Oh, and you're 34?

1:11:33 Caller Yeah.

1:11:33 Adam What's up? Were you divorced? Bad marriage?

1:11:35 Caller No.

1:11:36 Adam No. Never been married?

1:11:37 Caller Nope.

1:11:38 Adam Really?

1:11:38 Drew What was your drug?

1:11:40 Caller Everything.

1:11:41 Drew Primary.

1:11:42 Caller Heroin.

1:11:42 Caller What about him?

1:11:44 Caller Like coke.

1:11:46 Drew Yeah. Pot, you mean?

1:11:47 Caller Oh, both.

1:11:48 Caller Yeah.

1:11:49 Adam All right. Hey, Suzanne.

1:11:51 Caller Yeah.

1:11:53 Adam The deeper we dive, the more murk we see in the water.

1:11:56 Drew Were you a sex addict, too, Suzanne?

1:11:58 Caller Um, probably when I was younger, yeah.

1:12:00 Adam Yeah. Why don't you give it a good six months? Why don't you move out, get your own place, and pick it up a year from now? Because you were pretty bad when you were going, right?

1:12:14 Caller Right.

1:12:14 Adam And you don't want to risk getting back into that?

1:12:16 Caller No.

1:12:17 Adam So the relationship will still continue. He'll still be there.

1:12:21 Caller Yeah.

1:12:22 Adam And you move out because you're having weird feelings about this. So are we.

1:12:26 Drew And I can't tell you how often I've seen good recoveries go bad because of relationships. It's always like people go out.

1:12:32 Adam Really?

1:12:32 Drew They just don't follow directions.

1:12:34 Adam They go into something that, you know, is it usually both of them or is it the one person gets freaked out in a relationship and dips back in?

1:12:41 Drew Oh, no. One starts going down, the other goes with them.

1:12:44 Henry Rollins And, Drew, you basically said that someone at this stage of recovery should be listening to their sponsor and doing what they're told.

1:12:51 Drew Especially with Suzanne's history. She's got a couple more years. She's got to get under her belt here.

1:12:55 Adam All right. We will take ourselves a little break. Henry Rollins is here with the Titans Radio, Adam and Drew. We'll be back after this.

1:13:03 Caller You know what I'm saying, out there?

1:13:05 Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back on Loveline.

1:13:09 Caller Don't you dare go away. Loveline will be right back with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew right here on the New Rock alternative. 94.7 NRK. This is the show known as Loveline.

1:13:25 Caller With your hosts, Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:13:41 Adam Hey, Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. The titans of radio are a new label. I think it's going to stick too because it's flattering. I always like to repeat flattering stuff about myself. You know that, right, Drew? Yeah, I do. Shaggy in here tomorrow night. Henry Rollins tonight. 213.62 is his...

1:14:03 Henry Rollins One.

1:14:04 Adam Oh, I'm sorry. What did I say?

1:14:06 Henry Rollins Two.

1:14:07 Adam Oh, I thought you said February.

1:14:08 Drew Yeah, February 61.

1:14:10 Adam Oh, okay. All right. All right. All right. I'm sorry.

1:14:13 Henry Rollins He's still on the float, man.

1:14:14 Adam Yeah, floating on that float, man. Somewhere in Louisiana, getting beads thrown at me, throwing pugs at the homeless people without teeth and getting... Louisiana, I don't know if it's the whole state or just New Orleans. It's just one big party over there. People walk around, just open containers, urinating everywhere.

1:14:37 Henry Rollins It's like the East Village in New York.

1:14:38 Adam It really is a good time.

1:14:39 Henry Rollins Before Giuliani came into power.

1:14:41 Adam Uh, what the hell? What does... Oh, yes, a Rollins in the Rise, the name of the spoken word CD, and he will be coming to a town near you. Rest assured, kiddies. Back to the phones. Joe? Hello. You're 20, what's up?

1:14:59 Caller Okay, I have a couple questions. Um, this past month, me and my girlfriend have been doing stuff. I've been going down on her, and she smells really bad. I don't know what to do. What can I do?

1:15:15 Adam Is this a new thing, the smell, or?

1:15:17 Caller Yeah. Like, before, it was like I was doing stuff with my hands to her, and it wasn't that bad. Sure. This last month, it smells really bad to where I want to throw up.

1:15:28 Adam Yeah, but the point is, is it this last month, because you've been putting your face down there?

1:15:35 Caller Probably.

1:15:35 Caller I don't, I don't, well, when I get my hand...

1:15:37 Drew He's not getting the question. Wait, wait, wait. Try again.

1:15:40 Adam Did her smell change, or did your proximity change?

1:15:44 Caller Her smell changed.

1:15:45 Drew Okay.

1:15:46 Adam So she smelled all right, even though you weren't going down on her before.

1:15:49 Caller Why, I smelt my fingers, because I was curious.

1:15:52 Adam Yeah, but there's a difference between scratching your ass and poking your nose in it.

1:15:55 Caller Okay.

1:15:57 Adam You understand? Believe me, I know. I've done exhausting experiments on this, and there's a big difference. So I'm guessing her smell is about the same. You're just closer to it.

1:16:10 Caller Well, the girl that I was talking to before, I talked to you guys, she said it might be because of her period.

1:16:15 Drew Yeah, the fourth period, there can be an after, some change in the smell. However, you have to be careful that it's an infection, and she should be aware of it.

1:16:25 Caller Because it almost made me want to throw up.

1:16:27 Drew Yeah, the fishy smells do tend to be infections.

1:16:31 Caller Okay.

1:16:31 Drew And you might, Adam has a way of dealing with this, about having heard of us talking about it on the radio.

1:16:37 Adam You start a small diversionary fire in the bedroom.

1:16:41 Caller Okay.

1:16:42 Adam Then you get loaded. Oh, no, Plan B, yes, you tell her that you've noticed a little scent coming from her, you were listening to Loveline, somebody else called in with that problem, Drew was concerned that there may be an infection and said she should get to a gynecologist. You love her very much and you're concerned. So you'd like her to get herself checked out because you're worried.

1:17:04 Caller What if there's nothing wrong with her? Could I get something to give her that smell, that taste or what?

1:17:10 Caller What?

1:17:11 Drew Could you have transmitted something to her?

1:17:12 Adam No, no, he's saying what can you do to get rid of the odor if there isn't a problem. That's tough. Joe, you're 20 and you sound kind of green. I mean, you're new to a lot of this stuff. Yeah, let me give you what I like to, a little quick explanation, what I call the yummy phase of life. When you're young, everyone is born into the yummy phase. When you're seven, eight years old, cigar, brandy, boondang, not on the menu, it's pretty much corn dogs and fries, right? You want to put ketchup on everything. But you get a little bit older and you start getting into beer and you start getting into booze and you caviar and cigars. Women, all those things are not what you call things that taste good, but they're an acquired taste.

1:18:01 Henry Rollins That's what my dad used to say, acquired taste.

1:18:04 Adam Yeah, and there's a lot of that. I mean, if you really, like I said, you take a good cigar, some good brandy or whatever your poison is, it does not taste good the first time you do it, but you'll learn to love it in a sense or need it. Same with going down on women.

1:18:19 Henry Rollins This is something to get used to. Also, if your girlfriend is young, she might not have all her personal hygiene tips fully wired because she's just new to having someone being down there.

1:18:30 Adam Right, so she can start with a gynecologist. If that doesn't work, you can call us back, but don't worry about it just yet. Let her get checked out. And you know that that vapor stuff, I say to put on the upper lip from the autopsy.

1:18:46 Henry Rollins As soon as he gives a little solid advice, he's got to get into something else.

1:18:50 Adam No, I'm serious about this, Henry. Listen to this.

1:18:52 Henry Rollins Of course you are.

1:18:53 Adam Did you see Silence of the Lambs, the first one?

1:18:56 Henry Rollins My friend, he's going to advise you to put Vicks VapoRub across your mustache line.

1:18:59 Adam The coroner used it in Silence of the Lambs when they fished that girl out of the fog.

1:19:04 Henry Rollins It will be the last date you ever go out on with this girl if you do that.

1:19:07 Caller All right, all right.

1:19:08 Adam Leslie?

1:19:10 Caller Yeah.

1:19:11 Adam You're 15. What's up?

1:19:12 Caller I was wondering, what are the effects of using laxatives?

1:19:17 Henry Rollins The effects of using laxatives?

1:19:19 Caller Yeah.

1:19:19 Drew Well, starting from most serious side effects, you will die. Then you can have problems with your colon not moving ever again. You can have to have your colon removed because of long-standing laxative use, severe constipation, kidney problems, dehydration, heart difficulty, rhythm disturbances of the heart.

1:19:42 Adam All drops in the bucket, Leslie. Nothing to really worry about.

1:19:46 Henry Rollins Leslie, why are you asking what your thing with laxatives?

1:19:49 Caller Because I just want to lose weight because of the career I want to go into.

1:19:53 Drew Well, this is all bulimia. Laxatives don't actually make you lose weight, they just make you dehydrated.

1:20:00 Adam What do you want to be, a jockey?

1:20:02 Caller No, I want to be a stripper.

1:20:04 Adam Oh, I see. Well, if I had more energy, we'd gamble on Leslie, but let's just cut right to it. You hear that voice, she's 15 years old, she wants to take laxatives to be a stripper. What's going on?

1:20:16 Drew Who sexually abused you?

1:20:18 Caller My babysitter and I was raped three times.

1:20:22 Adam And how old were you when the babysitter did this?

1:20:25 Caller Like from three to five.

1:20:27 Adam And then what the rape, who did that?

1:20:30 Caller My brother's friend.

1:20:32 Adam And when was the last time that happened?

1:20:35 Caller When I was twelve.

1:20:36 Adam Okay. And is your dad around?

1:20:38 Caller Yeah.

1:20:39 Adam How is he doing? Is he a good guy?

1:20:41 Caller Yeah.

1:20:41 Adam Really?

1:20:42 Drew Could you ask your parents for some help with all this?

1:20:46 Caller No.

1:20:47 Drew Why not?

1:20:49 Adam Why not?

1:20:51 Caller I don't...

1:20:52 Drew Well, if they said they're good parents, they'd want to help you and they'd want to look after your emotional health?

1:20:58 Caller Yeah.

1:20:59 Henry Rollins Are you afraid that you did something wrong?

1:21:02 Caller Well, I just...

1:21:02 Caller I don't want to...

1:21:03 Caller I'm like ashamed about it.

1:21:05 Caller I want anyone to know.

1:21:06 Adam What about your mom? How do you get along with her?

1:21:10 Caller Not at all.

1:21:11 Adam What's up with that?

1:21:12 Caller And like ever since I was little, we never got along because like she thinks I'm like a big whore and stuff and...

1:21:19 Adam Ever since you were little?

1:21:21 Caller Well, like 12 because I got pregnant when I was 12.

1:21:25 Adam By one of your brother's friends?

1:21:27 Caller Yeah.

1:21:28 Adam Because you have an abortion? Okay. Hey, Leslie?

1:21:32 Caller Yeah.

1:21:33 Adam You're really, I mean, you're already down a very bad road, but you're going to keep going further down that road. You really want to do that? I mean, laxatives and stripping and just getting into that launch into that whole world. It's drugs, it's abusive guys, it's more rape, it's more abuse, it'll go on for another 15 years and then you'll sober up and you'll look back at it and you'll realize so much of your youth was just stolen from you. You really want to go that direction?

1:22:04 Caller I don't really care at this point.

1:22:05 Drew We understand that you're in a lot of pain, but it can be dealt with and it can't be if you keep this all a big secret.

1:22:13 Adam So what about talking to your dad? Do you get along with him?

1:22:17 Caller Yeah, but I'm not close with him.

1:22:19 Drew Right.

1:22:20 Adam Do you have friends? Oh yeah. They're not strippers, right?

1:22:25 Caller No, no.

1:22:26 Adam And I mean, can you know what we're talking about, Leslie? You listen to this show?

1:22:31 Caller All the time.

1:22:32 Adam All right. You understand what happens? You know what's going on with you?

1:22:36 Caller Yeah.

1:22:36 Adam I mean, you were victimized and you'll be continually victimized your whole life unless you put a stop to it.

1:22:43 Caller How can I do that?

1:22:44 Caller Like, what should I do?

1:22:45 Drew Getting help.

1:22:46 Adam What should you do? Call like a rape crisis thing?

1:22:49 Drew Are you going to school now?

1:22:51 Caller Yeah.

1:22:51 Drew Are there people at school you can talk to?

1:22:53 Caller I think so.

1:22:54 Drew All right. That's where you could start.

1:22:56 Adam You got a counselor at school?

1:22:57 Caller Yeah. I think so.

1:22:58 Drew That would be great. All right.

1:22:59 Adam Go talk to them.

1:23:00 Drew That's a start.

1:23:00 Adam Or her. And just ask them first. You have to throw yourself on sort of the mercy of the court. All right? All right. And get yourself some help, please.

1:23:09 Henry Rollins Because the path you're headed down is such a dead end. It's a guaranteed dead end. Guaranteed.

1:23:14 Drew Misery. Misery. Yeah. All right?

1:23:16 Caller Adam, I love you so much. I just wanted to say that.

1:23:18 Adam Well, thank you.

1:23:19 Drew Well, to prove your love to him.

1:23:20 Adam Yeah. That's right. All of my subjects must get themselves emotionally straight and then fall out of love with me, actually. It's really a double-edged sword. All right.

1:23:31 Drew That's your mission.

1:23:32 Adam Take care of yourself. Thank you. Listen, let me just tell everyone. You know, one of the main reasons for doing this show, because people say to us all the time, you really think you help that person, and the answer a lot of time is no. I mean, you can't, oftentimes, you can't change someone's life in three and a half minutes on a radio show. But is to listen, like young Leslie here, to some of the folks that are in their 30s who call this show up, or even mid or late 20s, 10 years down the road, 15 years down the road, see how their life has been affected.

1:24:02 Drew Yeah.

1:24:02 Henry Rollins With a career in heroin behind you, man, that's really not the kind of record you want to be dragging around.

1:24:08 Adam Right.

1:24:09 Henry Rollins That's a big price to pay.

1:24:10 Adam Really, what we'd like to accomplish with this show is if the people who are 14, 15, 16, who are listening, who are on the threshold of crossing over into Satan's-

1:24:22 Drew Playgrounds.

1:24:23 Adam I was going to say Satan's miniature golf course. We'd like you to stop and not take that step.

1:24:30 Drew Hearing the stories of the people that have suffered through the same, sometimes get them to stop.

1:24:34 Adam Right. We will take ourselves a break when we come back. Reclam or spoken word from Henry Rollins. Here to Love Line, I'm Adam Carolla. That is Dr. Drew, the new Titans of Radio. Shaggy's going to be here tomorrow night, Henry Rollins is our guest tonight. Henry has himself another spoken word CD out. Boy, I'll tell you, the Henry Rollins work just keeps piling up.

1:25:33 Drew We're going to hear some of that?

1:25:34 Adam Yes, yes we are.

1:25:36 Drew Men and women, the full story.

1:25:37 Adam You got it cued up Anderson? Alright, here we go.

1:25:41 Henry Rollins I figured out why women frustrate men so much. It's because men get into like, this goes here, this goes here, and women just go, oh I don't know where, where, where.

1:25:51 Caller And they're like, no, no, it must be like this.

1:25:56 Henry Rollins Women are like, no, it's like how I feel today, no. I don't go by feelings, I would get you killed in war.

1:26:05 Caller You know?

1:26:08 Henry Rollins I've noticed that when we all grow older, and boys turn into men, which is kind of dubious, they just kind of become fat boys. And girls turn into women, the whole relationship changes, you know, because men have a hard time handling their emotions, and as they get older, they become more steady. I'm a steady man. I have a job, I have a car, and payments to make and responsibilities. And when women start crying for no reason, men just become thoroughly unhinged. Like, you know, the man and the woman, they live together, they're having breakfast, And all of a sudden, the woman's crying. The guy's like, what's going on? He thinks it's all about, you know, it's all about him. What have I done?

1:26:47 Caller You haven't done anything.

1:26:50 Henry Rollins Then why are you crying?

1:26:52 Sometimes I just have to cry.

1:26:57 Henry Rollins Why are you crying?

1:26:58 Caller I don't know.

1:27:01 Henry Rollins And for men, this makes no sense whatsoever. You don't know why you're crying?

1:27:07 Caller No!

1:27:09 Adam Bullsh**t!

1:27:11 Henry Rollins You know why you're crying? Every single thing happens for a reason. You throw a ball up in the air, gravity brings it to the ground.

1:27:17 Caller You know why you're crying?

1:27:18 Henry Rollins You're holding it from me, out with it.

1:27:20 Caller You don't understand me!

1:27:22 Henry Rollins You don't understand yourself. I am organized. I have all my CDs in alphabetical order.

1:27:26 Caller I get to work on time.

1:27:27 Caller I know how to fix my car.

1:27:28 Henry Rollins You are just this emotional creature. That's why you will never be president. That's why we don't let you run the company. That's why you'll never drive a spaceship to the moon because what you're going to do when you get to the moon, you're going to cry. You're going to cry. You're going to freak out. And you're going to paint something some gay ass color.

1:27:45 Caller I hate you. Oh, yeah, you hate me. You'll love me in 10 minutes.

1:27:50 Adam Wow.

1:27:51 Drew I like that.

1:27:52 Adam That's good. Henry Rollins, everybody. Off of the A Rollins in the Rye CD, which is out in stores. And you can find Henry coming to a town in a country.

1:28:04 Henry Rollins And now and now endorsed by the two Titans of the FM.

1:28:07 Adam Yeah. Yeah. We give it the Titans Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

1:28:12 Henry Rollins I've arrived.

1:28:14 Adam Tell your folks who. Audrey, hi. You're 15.

1:28:19 Caller What's up?

1:28:20 Caller I was eating my boyfriend out. I mean, my boyfriend was eating me out yesterday.

1:28:24 Adam There we go.

1:28:25 Caller And I thought I was about to come, but I accidentally peed in his mouth. But I don't know why, like I felt like I was about to come. And then when I did that in his mouth, we were all freaked out. And I don't know what to say to my boyfriend now.

1:28:43 Adam When I talk to him. Did the urine go in his mouth?

1:28:46 Caller Uh-huh.

1:28:47 Adam And what did he do?

1:28:48 Caller He freaked out and he was sleeping over. And then he had his car and everything. So afterwards I just told him, yeah, you should probably go. And he paged me today, but I didn't call him back because I don't know what to say to him now.

1:29:03 Drew He's okay.

1:29:04 Adam Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're 15.

1:29:06 Caller Yeah.

1:29:06 Adam He's El Camino's parked on the lawn.

1:29:09 Drew How old is he?

1:29:10 Adam He's sleeping over. What's going on?

1:29:13 Caller Um, oh, he's 17 and yeah, he was sleeping over.

1:29:18 Drew Where are your parents?

1:29:19 Caller Um, they were here, but they didn't know.

1:29:22 Henry Rollins Wait, he climbs in through the window?

1:29:25 Adam Uh-huh.

1:29:26 Henry Rollins Rapunzel.

1:29:28 Adam Yeah. And what would your dad do if he caught him? Your dad's not there, right?

1:29:32 Caller Like kill him or something.

1:29:33 Adam Oh, okay.

1:29:34 Drew If he lived in the same town, yeah.

1:29:35 Henry Rollins Well, Drew, why would she do that? Bladder just relaxes because she's concentrating on something else?

1:29:40 Drew No, it's called female orgasmic incontinence. Some women pee when they have orgasm.

1:29:45 Henry Rollins Oh, really?

1:29:45 Adam Drew's going to cut a PSA on that coming up pretty soon, aren't you?

1:29:49 Drew The heartbreak, the tragedy.

1:29:50 Henry Rollins You have that to look forward to. Yeah.

1:29:53 Drew What is it?

1:29:54 Henry Rollins Is it a temporary thing or is it just a-

1:29:56 Drew I mean, something she can learn to master.

1:29:58 Adam Hey, Audrey? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, this is what you do when you become intimate with someone and you work your ass out with them. You know what I mean? Everyone goes through this break-in stage. You're discovering yourself and he's discovering your urine in his mouth. There's a lot of discovery going on.

1:30:17 Drew Don't be ashamed. He's delighted. He's happy. He produced something. Are you kidding?

1:30:21 Caller I feel like he's freaked out. He's like, I don't want to ever talk to her again.

1:30:25 Drew No way. No. No way. But the reason he had to get out of your house and leave real quick was so he could go and whack off and tell his friends.

1:30:32 Adam And tell his friends. That's right. All right, Audrey. All right. But listen, maybe you shouldn't be spending the night. It sounds kind of risky, right?

1:30:40 Caller Yeah, I guess so.

1:30:41 Adam Are you planning on using any birth control?

1:30:43 Caller Of course. You are?

1:30:44 Caller What are you using?

1:30:46 Caller Well, right now, we're just using a condom, but like I want to go get some birth control fills.

1:30:51 Drew But in the meantime, keep the morning after pillar out. Those condoms don't always work.

1:30:56 Adam You get on that birth control. I bet it'll stop that urine.

1:30:59 Drew Oh, yeah. Right.

1:31:00 Adam Right, Drew?

1:31:01 Drew Yes. And make him magically forget about the whole incident.

1:31:04 Adam It can do that. All right. Get on that birth control.

1:31:07 Drew What a puss. He's like, what are you going to do with this?

1:31:09 Adam Get a lock for your door, would you?

1:31:11 Caller No, I do have a lock.

1:31:13 Adam Yeah, good times. All right. Oh, man. That's ballsy. Inviting the guy to sleep over.

1:31:18 Drew Yeah. Oh, boy.

1:31:19 Adam I mean, it's one thing to take it in the window.

1:31:21 Henry Rollins Maybe I'm old fashioned. Is a girl at 15, should she be carrying on like that?

1:31:26 Adam No.

1:31:27 Drew No.

1:31:27 Adam No. But here's the other thing that we deal with all the time is like, are you going to stop her now?

1:31:35 Henry Rollins No, of course not.

1:31:35 Adam You know what I mean? I mean, it's like she's got a 17-year-old boyfriend. He's sleeping over. I mean, my whole thing at this point is, is let's cut our losses and let's not get her pregnant or and by the way, as soon as, as soon as, as soon as pops Corolla or pops Rollins starts talking like that, what she hears is wah, wah, wah, wah.

1:31:53 Drew It's like Charlie Brown's teacher. It was who we turned into immediately.

1:31:56 Adam Right. All right.

1:31:57 Henry Rollins Well, Audrey, please just be careful.

1:31:59 Adam Jennifer, you're 19.

1:32:02 Caller Yeah.

1:32:02 Adam What is up?

1:32:03 Caller Basically, I never got to meet my biological father. My mom kind of built him up to be this, you know, when you're when you're 18, we'll find him. He was a drug addict. He wasn't, you know, a good influence on my life. So my mom said, well, she wasn't supposed to be able to have kids. So she decided, you know, I'm going to have the kid on my own. I'm going to take responsibility, take care of the kid and, you know, get rid of the horrible father.

1:32:27 Drew Right.

1:32:27 Caller So she left him.

1:32:28 Drew How old were you when she left?

1:32:30 Caller I wasn't even. It was like right when she found out she had conceived me, when she found out she was pregnant, she left him.

1:32:35 Drew All right.

1:32:36 Caller She hid the pregnancy, you know, and went and lived with her mother. And she built him up my entire life. You know, when you're 18, we'll try and find out if he's okay. And kind of in my head, I built up, you know how girls have that whole father princess, you know?

1:32:50 Drew Yeah. He was going to be this great guy.

1:32:51 Caller I built him up to be, he'd be this great guy, you know, he'd have a wife and kids and I'm an only child. So I thought, oh yeah, I'm going to get brothers and sisters and they're just going to completely accept me. And it was stupid of me to think that, you know, for 18 years. But, you know, on the other hand, I look at it as it wasn't really my fault.

1:33:06 Drew Right.

1:33:07 Caller But I built him up and about a year and a half ago, I was going to get my passport at the registrar's office and we said, well, we're here. We might as well look at the, you know, marriage and death certificates.

1:33:16 Drew You and your mom.

1:33:17 Caller Yeah.

1:33:17 Adam Okay.

1:33:18 Caller And I was really close to my mom for 18 years. You know, we were like really close because she was my parent, you know, and my only family. And I found out that he died when I was six years old.

1:33:26 Adam And she was BS-ing the whole time?

1:33:29 Caller No, she didn't know.

1:33:30 Adam Oh, all right.

1:33:31 Caller She had no idea. She hadn't kept track of it.

1:33:33 Adam Okay.

1:33:34 Drew He's a drug addict. Our drug addicts die.

1:33:36 Caller Yeah. That's the thing is that I just I and from that on, she treated me like her comment to me was, well, I don't know why you're crying. I don't know why you're so upset. I'm the one who had a kid with him. And she felt like I should be completely detached. And she didn't understand that in my head, I built up this huge image, you know, of.

1:33:55 Henry Rollins Well, she probably never lost. She probably knew her father.

1:33:59 Caller So yeah, she's really. I'm actually really close to my grandfather now. He's dying and he's the only father figure I've ever had. And I feel like I need to forgive my mom because I.

1:34:09 Henry Rollins Well, she just doesn't understand what you're going through because she didn't go through it. So you got to cut her some slack. Well, I do.

1:34:15 Caller That's the thing is that.

1:34:16 Henry Rollins So you gotta be strong.

1:34:17 Caller Yeah, I just feel really.

1:34:18 Caller I've gone through a lot in the last two years. I ended up getting married and I'm now separated. I moved to England for the guy and I just moved back like a month and a half ago.

1:34:27 Henry Rollins Was that that whole Oasis thing?

1:34:30 Caller No, I heard about that.

1:34:31 Henry Rollins Yeah, we heard. We read about it.

1:34:32 Caller I read it on the Internet and it's just that.

1:34:34 Caller That was just a stupid thing.

1:34:35 Caller I was looking for someone to take care of me.

1:34:36 Adam Well, he was daddy, right?

1:34:37 Drew Yeah, but listen, your behaviors lately, I'm certain, have been less than delightful to be around. And that's why your mother.

1:34:44 Caller You know what?

1:34:45 Caller The thing is is that I've actually, I was really hard to get around, get along with when I was growing up. And my mom, I totally give her credit for being so patient with me. All right, well, then give. I'm actually okay now. I'm trying to work through my issues and I'm actually a lot more responsible and, you know.

1:35:02 Adam Okay, but then get past it. I mean, you and your mom have an important relationship. She may have dropped the ball here, but forgive her.

1:35:10 Drew She did not drop the ball. She kept you protected from this a-hole who had a life-threatening illness who might have dragged you into it.

1:35:16 Adam Yes, but on the other hand, I don't understand why she indulged her with this sort of fantasy.

1:35:21 Drew She didn't.

1:35:22 Adam She didn't.

1:35:22 Drew That's the point.

1:35:23 Henry Rollins That's why Jennifer was having a fantasy, not the mom.

1:35:24 Adam Jennifer made it up on her own, knowing it. Mom should have said, hey, the guy, one of the Doobie brothers, and I don't know where he is. That's what my mom said to me. She says, you know, the guy wore that skunk, the guy wore the beret cap.

1:35:40 Henry Rollins You got to explain to your mother where you're coming from and you got to just move ahead. And it's rough, losing your dad and then finding out this crazy news so many years down the line. It's a hard shot. You got to take it.

1:35:50 Drew Losing a fantasy is not losing your dad.

1:35:52 Right.

1:35:53 Adam We'll be back.

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