Episode 1000754887013

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1:38 Voiceover For an adult audience, Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline, Coast to Coast.

1:57 Adam Hey, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number, 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, fax number, 310-8-5-4-4-4-5-5, Dr. Drew, Board Certified Physician, Addiction Medicine Specialist. All right. We are happy and excited to bring back to the show Poe because we have missed Poe. Poe was on the show last two years ago? No, more. More? I think more.

2:30 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, about that. I think about two years ago.

2:32 Adam Really?

2:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe It was the last one. Because then I was on earlier. She was a weekly visitor. Yeah. You don't remember?

2:40 Adam I'll tell you, this is going to be flattering because it feels like a long time, which is good.

2:45 Ann Danielewski (Poe Okay. That's good.

2:46 Adam It should feel, it'd be worse if it was two weeks ago.

2:50 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, it's true. You were counting the minutes. I know. It's so long. You said, got it fast. I don't even remember.

2:57 Adam Yeah. It just felt like there was an absence of Poe in the show, didn't there?

3:04 Drew Yeah. Definite Poe deficiency.

3:05 Adam Running at a Poe deficit for a while.

3:07 Ann Danielewski (Poe I took a while to make my record.

3:09 Adam Yeah. No kidding.

3:11 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

3:11 Adam Yeah. We're going to hear some of that tonight, right?

3:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, you are. Totally.

3:15 Adam It sounds like bad radio. We're going to get a chance to hear a sample in the afternoon.

3:21 Ann Danielewski (Poe I believe so.

3:21 Adam Done and done. Mark, her brother, who is a writer and a poet and everything. You guys do everything, right?

3:31 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

3:32 Adam You're a poet.

3:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe I don't do windows.

3:34 Adam But you guys are definitely artists, right?

3:37 Ann Danielewski (Poe I guess so, yeah.

3:38 We look like artists, don't we?

3:39 Drew Well, you were a contractor, a plumber.

3:41 I was a plumber for a while.

3:43 Adam Yeah, but that's when he was a struggling artist. That's before he arrived. His authored a book which is called House of Leaves, which is too thick for me. I can never read all of this.

3:55 Ann Danielewski (Poe 700 pages.

3:56 Adam Is it 700 pages?

3:57 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah. It'll make a good paperweight for you though.

3:59 Adam What's it about?

4:00 Ann Danielewski (Poe Looks kind of cool.

4:01 Yeah.

4:01 It's about a house that's bigger on the inside than the outside and the family that lives there.

4:06 Adam Well, that sounds cool. Well, what's that mean?

4:09 Ann Danielewski (Poe Well, imagine you went home and you found out that all of a sudden there was a hallway in the middle of your living room that hadn't been there before, and you can't see it outside, but it goes for miles.

4:20 Really?

4:20 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's about that.

4:21 It is?

4:22 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's about what would happen if you discovered that space.

4:25 Drew What goes on in that space?

4:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe People get lost. I mean, everybody deals with that discrepancy differently, you know? The children sort of have fun in there. The wife denies that it's there, and the husband hires a team to explore it. And, you know, ultimately it, I mean, it lives on a lot of different levels. It's like, kind of, on the simplest level, it's like you can be sitting right next to somebody and be thousands of miles away from them. And it kind of manifests that idea and tells you that story.

4:53 Adam All I know is my name is somewhere in this book, and so is the word Jack Hole, which is the word for the shimmy coin.

5:02 Drew He'll revere this book.

5:03 Exactly.

5:04 Ann Danielewski (Poe And that's the code that solves the whole problem.

5:06 Drew Why the interesting structure? What is that? What happens? There's a peculiar structure to the book.

5:11 It's actually a cinematic design. It's designed to slow you down, to pace the reader's experience through the book.

5:18 Adam So that's interesting.

5:20 So chapter 9 is very convoluted and it slows you down. Then chapter 10 has one sentence per page. Yeah, it's my kind of chapter. Chapter 10.

5:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe You can start there.

5:30 Adam Well, that's interesting. I'm a guy who doesn't read and doesn't like to read, but I know, Drew, you read a lot and each page, you don't look at a lot of pop-up books like I do or stuff with a lot of pictures of cars. I like seeing pictures of cars and trains.

5:45 Ann Danielewski (Poe Me too.

5:45 Adam Choo-choo trains normally and the books.

5:48 The next book.

5:49 Adam Drew, if you read a book like this, and this is probably why you'll not read it either, but you'll be stuck on a plane one day and you'll take a look at this. We're not doing one of your Scantron sheets. Absolutely. It's interesting in that it forces you to break your cadence up because that's the way it's laid out. You can't just speed read through it. It's interesting.

6:10 Then you should listen to Haunted while you're reading it.

6:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe There's your pad radio again.

6:15 But it's true because the CD actually talks to the book.

6:19 Adam Really?

6:20 Yeah.

6:20 Adam All right. Well, we'll hear at least two cuts off of that tonight. I promise. All right. So everything's good.

6:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe You can take the gun away from me.

6:29 Adam Any things we want to plug? I mean, any upcoming events or anything like that?

6:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe Well, we're looking to be on the road probably in the next three or four weeks. Unfortunately, we don't have set enough dates because plans keep changing. Right. To plug them now, but I'll come back.

6:43 All right.

6:44 Adam Sure you will. That's what you said over two years ago.

6:47 Ann Danielewski (Poe But I came back, didn't I? Well, I got lost in a house with a big hallway.

6:53 Adam John, you're 20. What's up?

6:55 Caller Well, about a year ago, I met this girl and I lost my virginity to her. And we kind of dated off and on once or twice and then just stopped seeing each other for different reasons. And then about a year later, about three months ago, she had written me an email and it was just kind of a thing saying, I may not see you again, but you'll always be my friend or something like that. And so I just gave her a call to see how she's doing and things like that and then she wanted to go out and hang out and so we went and hung out.

7:24 Caller What's the question?

7:25 Oh, well...

7:26 Adam It's nice, but what's the question?

7:27 Caller Sorry. Well, we started dating again and about two days ago, she told me that she, after we broke up the first time, that she had sold her body for money.

7:40 Adam I mean, maybe it was some... You mean like prostitution or a science experiment? Sushi. No. Yeah, for how long did she do this for?

7:48 Caller She said it was about a week without about four different guys.

7:51 Drew And why did she do it?

7:53 Caller She just said for money, but I'm like, what does a 17-year-old need money for?

7:56 Drew Is she doing drugs? No.

7:58 Caller Well, yeah, she's doing marijuana, but she does it very lightly.

8:01 Adam Yeah.

8:02 Drew What is light life?

8:05 Caller Maybe once, three times a week.

8:10 Adam Yeah, it's not too lightly. I mean, because we always do the math. Like when you, we always put a zero behind whatever number you give us. Twice a week, it's 20. Four times a week, 40 and so on and so forth. Perfect. Yeah. John? Yeah. You're a 20-year-old guy going out with this semi-cookey 17-year-old who you lost your virginity to not too long ago. What's up with you? You lost your virginity at 19. You're still clinging to this young chick you lost your virginity to. Why can't you sort of get on with things?

8:42 Caller Well, I did. She just emailed me one day. I just wanted to see how she's doing. She started dating again.

8:48 Adam You had other girlfriends? You've been with other women?

8:50 Drew Yeah.

8:51 Caller I've dated two other girls between me and her.

8:53 Drew What do you want to do about this?

8:54 Caller Well, I don't know. I never wanted to judge people for their past.

9:00 Drew Why'd she tell you?

9:01 Caller Because she wanted to be honest with me.

9:04 Adam No. She's doing something. I mean, it sounds noble, but she's trying to stir you up.

9:09 Ann Danielewski (Poe She's manipulating you.

9:11 Drew You're the nice guy, right? You're going to... She usually normally dates a-holes?

9:15 Yeah.

9:16 Drew Oh, yeah. So John is a nice guy and a truly available guy, so she's got to sabotage that relationship, make sure it really sticks a good stake right through the heart of this relationship and ends it.

9:26 Why?

9:27 Drew Because she can't tolerate real intimacy. She can't tolerate closeness. And the closer you get, the more chaotic she's going to feel and going to act out.

9:35 Ann Danielewski (Poe And it's very tempting also to chase somebody like that. For him. Yeah, that can be extremely addicting. You're going to save the damsel in distress and she's going to let you know just enough to make you believe that you can save her.

9:46 Adam That's why I miss Poe. Hey John?

9:48 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah. I think maybe you pay her and then it's a done deal. No, I'm kidding. I'm sorry.

9:53 Drew You're walking down that hall in the middle of the house all of a sudden.

9:55 Adam Oh my god.

9:56 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'm sorry.

9:57 Adam Yeah, it'll never work. You got to break up. I'm telling you.

10:01 Drew I don't know that we should be advising specifically what you should do, but you should have your eyes open. You should know what you're dealing with here.

10:06 Caller Yeah.

10:06 Drew All right?

10:06 Caller It's like us.

10:07 Adam All right there, John. Listen, a 20-year-old guys can't forget that kind of stuff. He's going to say, honey, I forgot all about it, and then he's going to get drunk a week later.

10:15 Caller How much for a blow job?

10:17 Adam Come on.

10:18 Caller How much?

10:19 Adam Come on, chicky. You get some credit or I got to go to the ATF. You can't forget that stuff. At 20, it will never work. Drew, what if you heard that at 20?

10:33 Drew I'll sear a hole right through my head.

10:36 Caller That's right.

10:36 Ann Danielewski (Poe I think I see one there, actually.

10:38 Caller Bob?

10:39 Yeah.

10:40 Drew Bob.

10:40 Adam You're 19 there, Bob. What's up?

10:43 Caller Yeah. I have a weird abnormality in my hormones. I was born eight weeks premature, and I didn't really go to doctors as much as a kid. I would get sick a lot in the doctor's office.

10:59 Drew Oh, Anderson is messing around.

11:01 Adam Hey, Anderson.

11:02 Caller Hey. Yeah.

11:02 Adam Thanks, buddy.

11:04 Drew Bob, we left you at you get sick a lot.

11:06 Caller Go ahead.

11:08 Caller Yeah. A lot of doctors couldn't explain what was going on. And I started a new doctor about two years ago, and he ran a lot of blood tests, and he discovered that my body produces large amounts of female hormones as well as male hormones. So I'm producing a lot of progesterone and estrogen and testosterone.

11:26 Drew Are you overweight? Are you fat?

11:28 Caller Are you overweight?

11:29 Caller Yeah, a little bit.

11:30 Drew Okay. Well, that will cause that.

11:32 Adam Why does a guy get overweight when he gets the estrogen and progesterone and that kind of stuff? Oh, you mean that's causing it.

11:39 Drew The testosterone is converted in the fat tissue to estrogen.

11:42 Adam But if a guy had a lot of estrogen, circulating estrogen...

11:48 Drew He'd get a little bit soft and pudgy-ish.

11:51 Adam Really?

11:52 Drew Yeah.

11:52 Adam But he wouldn't necessarily get fat.

11:53 Drew No, not necessarily.

11:54 Adam He'd just get more as a woman looks normally. Except for pump.

11:59 Caller When it comes to this, I have a couple questions. Because the doctor I'm dealing with has never really dealt with this before. And he's trying to pawn me off on other doctors.

12:08 Drew It's not pawning up. Unless he's a reproductive endocrinologist, he shouldn't be going any further with this.

12:14 Caller So can you make any suggestions as to who I should be?

12:17 Drew Yes, you go to a university center and see a reproductive endocrinologist.

12:20 Adam Why don't you go to the guy he pawns you off on?

12:22 Drew I doubt this is going to end up being anything, frankly.

12:25 Adam How much do you weigh, Bob?

12:26 Caller What was that?

12:27 Adam How much do you weigh?

12:28 Caller About 250.

12:29 Adam How tall are you?

12:30 About 6 foot.

12:33 Adam What if you lost 50 pounds? Wouldn't that help?

12:36 Drew That would take care of the problem as I see it.

12:38 Adam Bob?

12:39 What was that?

12:39 Adam Can you just lose the weight?

12:41 Caller I've been trying to lose weight, but it never seems to work well.

12:46 Adam Well, why don't you just be disciplined with your diet and your exercise and all that?

12:49 Caller I am rather disciplined with my diet and exercise.

12:51 Drew What are you doing for exercise every day?

12:53 Caller What was that?

12:54 Drew What are you doing for your exercise every day?

12:55 Caller I rollerblade.

12:56 Caller No.

12:57 Caller Usually 6 days a week.

12:58 Caller No, no, no.

13:01 Adam Are you shooting a douche commercial or are you trying to lose weight? Please. Rollerblading. How dare you? That's no way for a man to lose weight. Rollerblading.

13:12 Drew He needs to get a trainer and a nutritionist or a dietitian and after 12 weeks of that, see if he can really get something changed.

13:18 Adam Drew, would there have been any answer that you wouldn't have objected to though when he was going to tell you?

13:23 Drew If he said, I work, I run hard for 30 minutes a day, I would say, okay.

13:28 Adam You know what everyone should do? Jump rope.

13:31 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, actually.

13:32 Adam I was skipping rope tonight.

13:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe When we were on tour, he was jumping rope every morning. I was impressed.

13:35 Adam Mark, you were jumping rope?

13:38 Caller You can take it anywhere. You can jump outside the bus, in the hotel room, wherever.

13:42 Adam You can take that rope on the road with you, and you can do it all in about 10 minutes and be a sweat in your little fan.

13:48 It's hard work.

13:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's true. You look great doing it.

13:51 Drew It kills me when people say, I exercise. You should follow me through my day. I exercise so much every day. I go up and down the stairs of the office.

13:59 Adam Yeah.

13:59 Drew Like, no, no, no, no.

14:00 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, no, no. That doesn't count.

14:01 Adam No, no, no.

14:02 Drew That's called life.

14:03 Ann Danielewski (Poe The problem is, yeah, you wish it all added up at the end of the day, but 15 seconds at a time doesn't work.

14:08 Drew Even five minutes at a time doesn't work.

14:09 Adam No, but you know, it's weird and it's not fair. But, you know, I worked construction for 13 years with a bunch of fat guys who were on their feet all day, carrying lumber and drywall up flights of stairs. You'd think these guys would look like bodybuilders. Now, I sit around the man show with a bunch of fat guys. But they're no fatter, the writers at the man show, you know?

14:38 Ann Danielewski (Poe Right. They sit around all day.

14:39 Adam They sit at a computer all day snacking, and these guys would be driving nails and carrying lumber all day. They didn't look any different.

14:45 Ann Danielewski (Poe What's up with that? Do you think? Yeah.

14:46 Adam Not fair.

14:47 Ann Danielewski (Poe There's something hidden under that construction worker. Belly that is muscle and strength.

14:52 Adam A little racism. Oh, I see. You mean physiologically.

14:57 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

14:57 Adam You know what I think it is?

14:59 Ann Danielewski (Poe You've got to get something going.

15:00 Adam You're better off going real hard for like six minutes, than you are going soft for 40 minutes.

15:05 Drew Yeah. That part of it, it's the kind of lifting they're doing and the fact that they will be better condition, but they'll eat to compensate for what they're burning off.

15:17 Adam Taco. That truck.

15:19 Caller Yeah. Cool.

15:20 Adam I miss that lunch truck. I like to get a lunch truck at my house.

15:23 Ann Danielewski (Poe That would be nice.

15:24 Adam Pull it into the living room.

15:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

15:26 Adam Hump that. Do they got that Mexican horn everywhere or is that an LA thing?

15:35 Drew Los Angeles.

15:36 Adam What do they play in Boston? Like, bum, bum, bum, bum. I mean, they play like hockey themes or Johnny Boy or what do they... Do they have different stuff in different cities?

15:45 Drew Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

15:47 Caller Oh, really? All right.

15:49 George?

15:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe Wow, a bunch of singers in here.

15:51 Adam Thank you.

15:51 Caller Who would have thought?

15:52 Adam George?

15:53 Yes.

15:54 Adam And what's up with all our phone lines where everyone's calling from a payphone in a subway tonight?

15:59 Drew What's up, George?

16:00 Nothing. I'm on my cell phone. Question, Dr. Drew. Hi, guys. For the past couple of months, and I'm really, really healthy. I've never really needed to go to the doctor. I don't take medications, never done drugs. Perfect health. I've been having blackouts at any time, and they start by me having severe pain to my right side around my temple, the top of my head, followed by a blackout on my right eye and trembling on my right arm. And I lose sight for about, I don't know, I really couldn't judge it, but anywhere from minutes to about 10, 15 minutes at a time.

16:39 Drew You're driving a car now?

16:42 Yeah, believe me, yeah.

16:42 Drew Are you out of your mind?

16:45 Well, you gotta work and you gotta do what you gotta do.

16:47 Drew No, you gotta see a doctor. You haven't seen anyone about this?

16:50 Well, okay, here's the thing. I went to a doctor and I haven't gone to him since. He's back in China. When I went to the doctor, he told me that at first it could have been a sign to Parkinson's disease.

17:04 Drew No, George, listen, you're in the United States now. It's time to get some health care.

17:10 Adam What are you saying about the other countries?

17:11 Drew It's any of a hundred different problems, all of which are quite serious. And the fact that you're driving with this mortifies me. You're not only gonna kill yourself, you're gonna kill someone else. Right. This is some sort of seizure disorder, probably. And God knows what's causing it. It needs a thorough neurologic workup, but it needs to happen immediately.

17:30 Adam Yeah. And listen, if you don't take us with you, buddy. I think that's what Drew's saying, right?

17:36 Drew I know that's what you'd feel.

17:37 Adam Well, I mean, I feel bad for him, and I want him to get help, but I don't want him to go across the center line and take out a family in a minivan either.

17:45 Drew Plus, there's been lots of traveling. There's things like cysticercosis and things you can get tapeworms in the brain, all kinds of wild stuff you can get.

17:51 Adam Listen, don't freak him out with the tapeworms in the brain.

17:54 Drew That's one of the most common causes of seizure in Los Angeles County right now.

17:57 Ann Danielewski (Poe Tapeworms in the brain?

17:58 Drew Tapeworm eggs go to the brain and they take these little masses and cause seizures.

18:02 Caller No, they don't.

18:03 Caller Yes, they do.

18:04 Adam No, they don't, Drew.

18:05 Ann Danielewski (Poe Is that simple to treat or no?

18:06 Adam Where's that coming from?

18:07 Drew Mexico.

18:08 Adam Shocking. How does that happen? Will it get in the food?

18:11 Drew No, it gets in the food, then you get a tapeworm set up and then it releases an egg into your system and there you go.

18:16 Ann Danielewski (Poe Ends up in the brain. Is it treatable?

18:19 Drew Yeah.

18:20 Ann Danielewski (Poe Oh, good.

18:20 Adam Now, do they embrace the tapeworm in Mexico? Is that part of the culture or they try to eradicate that too?

18:26 Drew It's a natural, national worm.

18:28 Adam No.

18:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's a national worm.

18:30 Adam Really? Is that what's in the tequila or that's a different kind of worm?

18:33 Drew No, a different worm. It's a regional.

18:35 Adam Well, there seems to be some competition for worms over there.

18:38 Drew It was an entrant into the competition.

18:40 Ann Danielewski (Poe It didn't win.

18:41 Adam The lobal tapeworm?

18:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe It was too edgy.

18:45 Adam Narrowly edged out by the intestinal tapeworm.

18:48 Drew The tinnitus solium and you can pass proglottids out your rear. It's a very lovely.

18:52 Adam Proglottids out the rear.

18:54 Ann Danielewski (Poe Sexy.

18:54 Adam It's going to be the name of the third CD, Poe.

18:56 Ann Danielewski (Poe Proglottids out your rear.

18:58 Adam Yeah.

18:58 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's catchy.

19:00 Adam You almost made Drew stay with me. Kim?

19:04 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'm here to plug proglottids out my rear.

19:08 Adam Kim?

19:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe Kim? Don't be scared.

19:10 Hi.

19:10 Adam You're 14. What's up?

19:12 Caller I recently just lost my virginity. Actually, on Friday to a 17 year old guy.

19:18 Drew And you're 14?

19:19 Caller Yeah.

19:19 Caller You're right on course, baby.

19:21 Adam Just where I'd like to see you at 14. Going perfectly.

19:25 Caller He used a condom. Like, first we weren't using condom and then he put one on. And then I guess he wanted to go again, so we didn't use one again. And my friend was telling me that I could get pregnant off pre-ejaculation.

19:39 Drew You can get pregnant off just what's on his penis.

19:42 Caller Yeah. Is it like highly likely that I am?

19:45 Drew It's likely. It's not highly likely. How long ago did this happen?

19:48 Caller It happened on Friday.

19:50 Adam Hold on. Is there a lot of difference between likely and highly likely if you really break it down? No. You know what I mean?

19:55 Drew Well, kids always want a percentage. What is my actual risk?

19:59 Adam I know, but you can't narrow it down between likely and highly likely because it's about the same thing.

20:03 Drew Yeah. It's possible. Here's the deal. And you should have been taking that morning after pill if you really thought that there was a possibility.

20:08 Caller Well, I wasn't really expecting it to happen.

20:11 Drew No, I know, but why don't you go out the next day and get the Plan B?

20:15 Caller I was going to go on Sunday, but they weren't open.

20:18 Caller Monday.

20:20 Drew You could have gone Monday. You still had time.

20:22 Caller Yeah.

20:23 Adam All right, baby. Well, listen, these are reasons why you shouldn't be having sex at 14. You know what I mean?

20:30 Caller Yeah.

20:30 Adam I mean, listen, I don't blame you. Adam, you are so uncool, Pops.

20:32 Ann Danielewski (Poe You are just so uncool.

20:33 Adam Well, listen, I was an idiot when I was 14. I thought, I really did think I was going to be a pirate astronaut at 14. I know I've said that a few times and it's not a joke.

20:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe I still believe you could.

20:44 Adam I've given up on the pirate part, but I'm still shooting for the astronaut.

20:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe I can see it.

20:50 Adam Rodeo astronaut. I was thinking. I'm now doing another sort of tool thing.

20:55 Ann Danielewski (Poe Are you practicing up at that place on Sunset?

20:56 Adam I can't talk about it.

20:58 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'm getting a pull.

20:59 Adam But the point is, is, you know, you're 14 years old. We would say that's too young for sex. And this is why, because you're not doing the things that are appropriate with them.

21:09 Ann Danielewski (Poe How do you feel about having lost your virginity?

21:12 Caller It's not really a big deal. No.

21:15 Ann Danielewski (Poe How do you feel about the guy? Do you still talk to him?

21:17 Caller Yeah, I talked to him like a half hour ago, actually.

21:19 Ann Danielewski (Poe Are you in love?

21:20 Caller No.

21:21 Caller Oh, good.

21:21 Adam Why not?

21:22 Ann Danielewski (Poe So why did you have sex with him? Just curious?

21:24 Caller Yeah, pretty much.

21:26 Caller OK.

21:26 Caller I don't know. All my friends said, like, they made it this huge deal. So I was like, hey, I'll try it.

21:31 Drew Were you doing drugs or alcohol at the same time?

21:34 Caller While I was doing it?

21:35 Drew I mean, had you been drinking or smoking pot that way?

21:37 Adam Or were you hooked up to an IV with scotch while you were actually having sex?

21:41 Caller Yeah, I smoked pot a little.

21:42 Drew Yeah, because, Kevin, this sounds more like the need for arousal and distraction. This is what addicts do. Is alcoholism your family?

21:50 Caller Um, yeah.

21:51 Drew Yeah, that's what you've got to watch out for. That's what this is the beginning of. This is about alcoholism and addiction. And I'm telling you, that's the road you're going down right now.

22:00 Caller Really?

22:01 Drew Yeah.

22:01 All right.

22:02 Caller Thanks.

22:03 Caller All right.

22:03 Adam Take care of yourself, Kim.

22:04 Caller I will.

22:05 Adam All right.

22:05 Caller Slow down. Protection, right?

22:07 Adam Don't get pregnant. Don't get strung out.

22:09 Caller Okay.

22:10 Adam Really try not to do much of anything.

22:12 Caller Okay?

22:13 Caller All right.

22:13 Drew Wait to die like Adam, yeah.

22:15 Adam Let's all just stay home and wait to die. Think about the utopia we'd be living in. Right.

22:20 Ann Danielewski (Poe That would just be-

22:21 Adam Markets, empty, freeways, diamond lane.

22:24 Ann Danielewski (Poe Completely empty.

22:26 Adam No one on the road. We're all home waiting to die.

22:29 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's true. With piles of garbage out on the street that nobody's picking up, the place would get smelly.

22:34 Adam Well, we would get the trash men on.

22:36 Drew Only the anarchists. The anarchists world. In our world, there's still order.

22:40 Adam Yeah, there's still order in our world.

22:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe Oh, good. Okay.

22:43 Drew There's air traffic.

22:44 Adam Right.

22:45 Ann Danielewski (Poe It's all about air traffic for the astronaut rodeo king.

22:51 Adam We're going to take ourselves a little itty bitty break. When we come back, we'll speak to Maria. Yes, Drew, you want to speak to Maria? Sure. Okay. She's lost all sexual desire. We'll make fun of her after this.

23:05 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

23:37 Hey, Loveline.

23:39 Adam I'm Adam Corolla. That's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Poe is our guest tonight. Mark Z. And I'm gonna try to not screw your last name up. Danielewski.

23:53 Caller Ooh, that's nice.

23:55 Adam Yeah, who's Poe's brother? Interesting that Poe is the world's simplest name. And the world's most complicated name.

24:01 Drew Do you remember when you first met, Mark? Yeah. He was sitting in the corner over there.

24:06 Ann Danielewski (Poe You thought he was the big bad boyfriend.

24:08 Adam That's right.

24:08 Drew The bouncer.

24:09 Ann Danielewski (Poe The bouncer that I brought with me.

24:11 Adam His hair was white back then, I think.

24:12 Drew That's true.

24:13 Caller Then it went blue.

24:14 Adam Yeah, well.

24:15 Ann Danielewski (Poe It spontaneously grows like that.

24:16 Adam Poe and Mark are a very close brother and sister team, because you guys have been sort of out on your own for a long time, right?

24:23 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, true. Since we were pretty young. And also, as very little kids, we traveled a lot. We moved from country to country like crazy. And so what kind of my dad was making documentaries. So we lived in Africa for a year, India for two years.

24:36 Drew The Thornberrys.

24:37 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, I mean, we were a gypsy family. And in situations like that, you can't really afford to have the same kind of sibling rivalry because, I mean, he was the only guy I could hang out with. So we, I think that kind of made us very close early on. And we kind of figured out a lot of that sibling stuff of how to navigate those waters, you know, and sibling rivalry could actually be good, you know, like he would write something and I would get competitive, but rather than take it out on him, I would write something. And then we just kind of go back and forth. And the book and the CD reflect a lot of that because ultimately, they're talking about the same history in very different ways, you know.

25:15 Adam I had the same sort of competitive spirit with my sister. I'd, you know, I'd get a C in a class, she'd pull a D, she'd get the D, I'd go for the F. I got the F, she dropped out of school. I kept going. It's like the martyr syndrome.

25:30 Drew She dropped out, you got arrested.

25:32 Adam I got arrested, she moved back home in her 30s. I mean, we work pretty hard at it.

25:36 Ann Danielewski (Poe What are you doing next?

25:37 Adam I don't know. I don't know what my next loser move is going to be. Terrorist. I'm thinking heroin, perhaps. Maybe some kind of bizarre fast food shooting spree or something like that. I don't want to confine myself. Only my options open.

25:53 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's true. And yet, you keep your dream alive of the Rodeo Astronaut.

25:58 Adam Rodeo Astronaut.

25:59 Ann Danielewski (Poe Every now and then, it seems to me.

26:00 Caller So how will she top you?

26:01 Adam I don't know. I'm sure her and her team are hard at work. After we speak, plotting their next loser-esque move. Haunted is Poe's new CD, and we're going to hear a song off it that has Mark and your father on it?

26:15 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, no, no. It's actually just Mark on that one. That was just a crazy remix that we did.

26:19 Drew But you wanted to make it your father's voice.

26:21 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, no, no. My father's voice is all through the album because he died in 1993 and later I found these cassettes of him. One was a letter that he was actually speaking into a tape recorder to his children, which is very strange because after somebody dies, to press play on a tape recorder, and the first thing he says is, well, it's nice talking like this. I'm going to do this more often.

26:46 Adam What year?

26:47 Ann Danielewski (Poe He died in 1993 and I found these in, I guess, late 98, maybe 99.

26:53 Adam What year did he record them?

26:55 Ann Danielewski (Poe Probably.

26:57 Caller Over the years.

26:58 Ann Danielewski (Poe Over, there were many. I mean, as far back as when we were like two years old, to that particular thing was probably in about 88.

27:06 Drew What were the messages he was giving you?

27:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe Well, it was incredible actually because the tapes had so many different tones. Like he was very much the quintessential teacher slash critic, but it was very hard to connect with him intimately. He could always tell you what to do, but he couldn't really in some ways relate to you. So there was one that was a speech that he'd given when he was a teacher that was just quintessentially him, you know. It's a beautiful idea, but it doesn't work. You know, like that kind of a dominating voice, which was definitely something that lingered in my head and it sometimes was paralyzing. So, you know, I discovered that by listening to him over and over again, I could locate his voice in my psyche and distinguish it from my own, which allowed me to kind of decide what I wanted to keep. And ultimately, you know, the hardest tape to listen to was a tape that where he said all the beautiful things where he says, you know, I'm proud of you. I miss you. I love you. And those were not words that I heard a lot from him growing up.

28:09 Adam And was he was he abroad when he was doing these tapes?

28:12 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, he was actually in this country. No, he actually never sent that one. That's what's so crazy about it. It was sort of like discovering something that.

28:19 Adam But were your parents divorced at the time?

28:21 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, they were divorced.

28:22 Adam And he was going to or had sent many of these tapes back to you wherever you were at the time.

28:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe No.

28:29 Adam He never sent them.

28:30 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, I mean, he may. I never got a tape from him. I think Mark did get one letter. But it wasn't something he did all the time. It wasn't like he taped some random things. Like there were some moments when it was just a family hanging out in a car when we were two to four and he's speaking to us. And like I said, there was a speech, there was a letter, but it wasn't as though there were thousands of these things. And it wasn't a habit of his. I mean, I didn't receive his sets in the mail. It was strange, actually, because I had a, I actually had a dream that he, which is bizarre. If someone's passed away that you're close to and you have a dream about them, it's kind of disturbing because my dad in particular had been sick for about a year and a half and we took care of him. So all these conflicting emotions come back. Number one, it's like, you're dead. I went through that. I don't want to go through that again. Okay, but if you're healthy, maybe I'm glad you're alive. And he said, you're forgetting my voice, right? And it was one of those dreams, like I couldn't shake it for like three weeks. And the only thing I figured I could do was go out to the storage facility that my brother and I had rented to keep the rest of his belongings and just started rifling through his stuff. I mean, old letters. I discovered a lot of things about him, about his past, and with a degree of objectivity. You know, I was like discovering the life of a person and not just my father, you know, which was incredible. And I found, you know, ultimately these cassettes. And I took them and it was funny because I was sitting down to make this album after touring for two and a half years going, okay, where do I begin? And that's where I needed to start, you know. I mean, there's lots of things. Oh, capitalize on your fan base, you know, where are the hits? It's like, of course, that stuff's gonna come in. And I took a long time making the record, but I don't regret it for one minute, you know, because I followed that voice, you know, and it did liberate me to understand him.

30:19 Drew We're not gonna hear that, though, on this song.

30:21 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, you won't.

30:21 Caller Okay.

30:22 Ann Danielewski (Poe This one is Mark and I.

30:24 Adam All right, well, now I think you wanna hear it, you wanna take a call and hear the song? How do you wanna do it?

30:28 Drew Whatever you say.

30:29 Adam All right, well, let's take a call because then...

30:32 Ann Danielewski (Poe Because that's a bit much, I mean, come on.

30:34 Adam That's a lot of power, that's a lot of power. I mean, we miss her, don't get us wrong.

30:40 Ann Danielewski (Poe Stone OD.

30:41 Adam Maria?

30:42 Yes, hi.

30:42 Adam You're 21?

30:43 Caller Yes.

30:44 Adam What's up?

30:44 Caller I'm 21 and I'm a virgin by choice. And I've been in a mysterious relationship for like a year now. And my boyfriend and I, I think I'm ready for sex now.

30:54 Adam I see.

30:55 Caller And I've tried to...

30:56 Adam Hold on, I'll alert the media.

30:59 Ann Danielewski (Poe You are the media, Adam.

31:01 Adam Yeah, I forgot.

31:01 Drew Local authorities.

31:02 Adam That's right. Go ahead.

31:03 Caller Yes, I'm ready for sex now. And but I've tried but I don't, I never get the urge, you know, I just, when I see him, when I'm like kissing him, whatever, I just never feel wet or, you know, I never feel the urge of like just having sex.

31:16 Drew Well, one of the things that shuts people down is some sort of sexual trauma in childhood. Has that happened to you?

31:22 Caller No.

31:23 Drew Because it's sort of one of two trajectories people get sent off in, either they've become hypersexual or undersexual.

31:30 Caller Maybe because, I mean, I know I used to watch like porn movies.

31:34 Drew How old were you?

31:34 Caller When I watch those, I get wet.

31:36 Drew How old were you when you weren't a little kid or something?

31:38 Caller No, of course not. This is like 18. I started then.

31:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe How old are you now?

31:43 Caller I'm 21 now.

31:44 Caller 21.

31:45 Adam How's your dad? You get along with him?

31:47 Caller Yeah, he's cool.

31:49 Caller He is?

31:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe He's selling them big ones.

31:51 Caller Really?

31:51 Caller He's all right, you know.

31:52 Adam That's always a bad answer. I don't know why, but when...

31:54 Caller Yeah, right? I mean, he wasn't like the perfect, you know, but he's good.

31:58 Adam I know. He took you out every once in a while.

32:00 Caller He was cool.

32:01 Caller But he never, you know, not been crazy like that.

32:04 Drew I see. Are you maybe just not into this boyfriend?

32:06 Caller No, maybe. I mean, I think, I mean, he's really cool. I like him a lot.

32:10 Drew Your boyfriend?

32:11 Caller Yeah. We've been together for a year now. And I think, I mean, it's time for us to have sex.

32:15 Drew Yeah, you're just kind of really cool.

32:16 Adam You don't sound that into it. You sound like you're still talking about your dad.

32:19 Drew Yeah. We don't think you're into this guy.

32:23 Caller I don't know. I hope, I hope that's the reason because I feel there's something wrong with me.

32:26 Drew Well, you're able to be aroused by movies and things, right?

32:29 Caller I know, but I mean, this is the second guy the same thing has been happening to.

32:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe Is he pressuring you to have sex? Is he saying, hey, we need to have sex now?

32:36 Caller I feel I need to have sex now because I'm growing older and I don't want my stuff to close up.

32:40 Adam So we have a definitive answer to that question.

32:42 Caller Are you afraid to have sex?

32:45 Caller I don't know. I don't think I'm afraid to have sex. It's just painful.

32:47 Drew Are you on medication?

32:48 Caller No, I'm not.

32:50 Adam Hold on. What's painful?

32:52 Caller When he tries to come in, it's so hard and I'm very dry. And it's so painful. I just push him up.

32:58 Drew Because you're not around. Yeah. But one thing you don't have to worry about, it's not going to seal up. Okay.

33:04 Ann Danielewski (Poe You're not going to close up.

33:05 Drew It's not going to happen. Okay.

33:07 Caller I don't know. I think my...

33:08 Adam I was going to say my ass closed up, but no, you're right.

33:10 Drew You just lost in the hair.

33:12 Adam That's right. I used it earlier today.

33:16 Ann Danielewski (Poe I don't know if this is good advice, but why don't you get together with your boyfriend and... Well, no, no, no. Because you're probably not... Yeah, watch a movie.

33:22 Caller We can't keep doing that every time.

33:24 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, I know, but maybe it'll...

33:25 Drew Till you get going.

33:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, maybe it'll get you going and then you'll feel more comfortable and you'll remember a gratifying experience and be turned on the next time you see him. You know what I mean?

33:34 Caller Maybe I'll try that.

33:35 Caller Is your family religious?

33:37 Caller Yes, very.

33:39 Ann Danielewski (Poe What religion?

33:41 Caller Muslims.

33:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe How do Muslims feel about sex?

33:44 Caller Of course they don't like it. I grew up not being allowed to have sex. Even the fact that I want to have sex right now is just because I've been with him for a year and he's like, let's start.

33:56 Drew So you're feeling guilty and.

33:58 Caller Yeah, I feel that I'm not supposed to be doing this, but because of you kind of thing, I have a full guilt in me.

34:06 Adam All right, baby. You got a lot of ambivalent feelings going on a lot of stuff. And it doesn't seem like you're much in love with this guy. How old is he?

34:14 Caller He's just a year older than I am.

34:16 Adam I see. He really doesn't sound like Prince Charming to me or to you.

34:20 Caller I mean, he's all right.

34:21 Adam All right. All right. All right. At twenty one, you're supposed to still have some sort of bubble that has been burst out about me.

34:30 Caller Girls my age are just like, they're loving sex and it's a big thing.

34:35 Adam Okay. Listen, watch some porn, have a few wine coolers and get it over with, would you? Don't get pregnant because you're moving on from this guy.

34:44 Caller Okay.

34:46 Adam I see bigger and better things for you.

34:47 Caller All right.

34:48 Adam Marginally, but still bigger and better.

34:51 Caller All right.

34:51 Caller All right. Thank you.

34:52 Adam All right.

34:52 Caller Oh, baby.

34:53 Adam You're out of the house?

34:55 Caller Yeah.

34:55 Ann Danielewski (Poe You live on your own?

34:57 Caller Yeah.

34:57 Caller I'm on campus.

34:58 Adam You live on campus in a refrigerator box or you actually live in a housing?

35:03 Caller No, in the housing.

35:04 Adam Really? Four-year university?

35:06 Caller I'm a third year.

35:07 Drew What school?

35:09 Caller Rutgers University.

35:10 Adam Wow. All right, baby. I was all wrong about you.

35:14 Ann Danielewski (Poe Good luck.

35:15 Caller She just did it. Have fun.

35:17 Adam There's certain people that we talk to them every night, don't we? Actually, the vast majority of our callers, they act like they're aliens who are dropped down on the planet, trying to sort of assimilate and find their way.

35:28 Drew Confused.

35:29 Adam They're like, I don't know what he's thinking.

35:31 Caller I don't know what's going on.

35:32 Adam My teacher, he gives me the stink.

35:34 Caller I don't know what to do.

35:36 Adam I have to go to the bathroom. Should I go? I might just make him my pants.

35:41 Caller Is that okay?

35:43 Adam When someone honks and they're behind you, should you move? What do they mean? It's like, I don't know how we can infuse that much knowledge into somebody in three minutes. I just say, but you know what the scary part is? I think they're all much happier than I am. Oh, sure. Well, that's not hard until I realize my dream.

36:03 Ann Danielewski (Poe Exactly.

36:05 Adam Poe, you know what that dream is?

36:07 Ann Danielewski (Poe I thought it was the rodeo astronaut.

36:08 Adam That's what it is.

36:10 Ann Danielewski (Poe Don't forget these things.

36:11 Adam We will hear something off Poe's new CD, Haunted by Mark on this one too. You queued up there, Anderson? It's called Hey Pretty.

36:30 Caller Cary suggested we go for a drive in our new two-door BMW coupe. In the parking lot, we slipped into our bucket seats. Cary took over from there. At nearly 90 miles per hour, she zipped us up to that windy edge known to some as Mulholland, sinuous road running the ridge of the Santa Monica Mountains, where she then proceeded to pump her vehicle in and out of turns, sometimes dropping down to 50 miles per hour, only to immediately gun it back up to 90 again. Fast, slow, fast, fast, slow. Sometimes a wide turn, sometimes a quick one. She preferred the tighter ones, the sharp, controlling jerk, swinging left to right before driving back to the right, only so she could do it all over again, until after enough speed and enough wind and more distance than I've been prepared to expect, taking me to parts of the city I rarely think of and never visit, I heard her say, I can't remember the inane things I started babbling about then. I know it didn't really matter. She wasn't listening. She just yanked up on the emergency brake, dropped her seat back, and told me to lie on top of her, We never even kissed or looked into each other's eyes.

39:49 Adam Yeah, there's something from Poe and Brother Mark. Off of Haunted, which is a post-CD. I was listening to that song. I was very mesmerized by the whole thing. I was thinking the whole time, this would be great in a movie. Yeah. Just seemed right.

40:06 Ann Danielewski (Poe I think it would be. It's true.

40:08 Adam Yeah, especially, well.

40:10 Drew Coincidentally.

40:10 Adam The driving scene. Yeah.

40:12 Drew You're making a movie, coincidentally.

40:13 Adam I'm making a movie.

40:14 Ann Danielewski (Poe Are you?

40:15 Adam Yeah, yeah, but there's no room for art in this movie. That's gonna be a money maker.

40:20 Drew Pure schlock.

40:21 Adam It's about a boy who wants to be the first rodeo.

40:24 Ann Danielewski (Poe Astronaut.

40:24 Caller Astronaut, yeah.

40:25 Ann Danielewski (Poe I think that's art.

40:26 Adam We'll take ourselves a little break.

40:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe I move.

40:28 Adam Oh, Coffee and Donuts, maybe. The movie. You remember that, yeah.

40:32 Drew You were supposed to do that for us.

40:34 Ann Danielewski (Poe You know, I never forgot it. I still, obviously, we haven't. Oh, good. Okay. Well, then there's still time. I'll work on it.

40:41 Adam We'll hammer out some of the beats during the break and then we'll be back.

40:44 Ann Danielewski (Poe Okay.

40:45 Caller Loveline, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, we'll be right back.

41:18 Caller What's up?

41:20 Caller This is Chino and Stefan from Deaf Homes, and you're listening to Love Line with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

41:26 Caller Ha, ha, ha.

41:30 Caller All right, baby.

41:31 Adam Drew, stop talking to the guest.

41:32 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'm telling secrets, okay?

41:33 Adam I understand.

41:35 Caller All right.

41:36 Adam Po is our guest tonight. Haunted is the name of the CD, Mark Z. Danielewski. Not bad.

41:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe Damn, you're good.

41:42 Adam Is her brother, who's always with her and on the CD as well, and also author of the book House of Leaves, which is thick, but some of the pages don't have too many words on it, and I just saw a picture. Oh, you ran in. I think it's something that could be gotten through by a lot of our Loveline listeners and perhaps even some of the callers. All right. So shall we hop back to the phones and see if we can sort out the world's problems? We'll march back to the phones. Leila.

42:16 Caller Hi.

42:16 Adam Hey, you're 15. What's up?

42:18 Caller Yeah. My mom's like a generally healthy person, but she's 45 and she's pregnant.

42:24 Caller And I want to know what are the dangers of having a kid at that age?

42:27 Adam You could get neglected.

42:31 Drew Not really much of anything to her.

42:33 Caller Really?

42:34 Drew There's increased risk of Down syndrome, that sort of thing, and birth defects. But that's it.

42:40 Caller All right.

42:40 Adam Thanks.

42:40 Drew I mean, this day and age is a safe thing to do.

42:42 Adam What do they do? Give them a few extra amniocenteses or something?

42:47 Caller Do you have any brothers or sisters?

42:48 Caller Yeah, I have two sisters.

42:50 Caller How old are they?

42:51 Caller They're 13 and 12.

42:53 Drew Why after 12 years is she interested in having a child?

42:57 Caller I have no clue whatsoever.

42:59 Caller Did your mom remarry?

43:01 Caller No.

43:02 Caller My parents have been married for 19 years.

43:04 Ann Danielewski (Poe So they're still married?

43:05 Caller Yeah.

43:06 Adam That's kind of nice. How do you feel about it?

43:09 Caller I mean, I think it's great. My mom's happy.

43:11 Caller You know, I really don't mind it.

43:14 Drew Sounds a little goofy to me.

43:15 Adam Really?

43:16 Drew Yeah.

43:17 Adam It normally does sound goofy, but let parents have been together for 19 years.

43:21 Drew No, it just to me, it means something like the marriage is going down. They're gonna try to salvage it with this.

43:27 Adam Maybe it wasn't planned.

43:29 Caller Well, yeah, my parents had their like fights along the way. And then, you know, they just came to me in February with this. I was like, oh, okay. Wow. All right.

43:37 Drew Yeah. Let me tell you something. Forty-five, I haven't had another kid.

43:41 Caller It's like, that is really bad times.

43:45 Drew Bad times.

43:46 Caller All right.

43:46 Adam Well, don't freak around.

43:48 Drew Just terms of the energy required.

43:50 Adam Yeah.

43:50 Drew You ever tried to play with a two-month-old?

43:52 Adam Yeah. I kick them around the house a little bit. I take it all dirty. I help them off. I don't handle a kid.

43:59 Caller Are your sisters concerned?

44:02 Caller No.

44:02 As far as my sister is concerned, they really don't care. As long as my mom is doing OK, they are fine with it.

44:08 Caller They really don't express their concerns.

44:10 Drew Well, at 12, it was a little difficult to really abstract these kinds of things. They take it much more at face value.

44:16 Adam Dustin? You're 19?

44:19 Caller Yes.

44:20 Caller What's up?

44:21 Caller Nothing much.

44:22 Caller OK.

44:26 Drew Would you like to be on the show?

44:28 Caller Yeah, I am.

44:29 Drew All right, let's go.

44:30 Caller OK. Well, my girlfriend, like after she's done giving me a blowjob and like a calm in her mouth, she tries to kiss me afterwards.

44:38 Drew And I don't believe you mean immediately afterwards?

44:42 Caller No, not immediately afterwards, but like shortly after. Yes.

44:46 Ann Danielewski (Poe And that freaks you out?

44:48 Caller And yeah, kind of.

44:52 Drew Have you told her that?

44:53 Caller Yeah.

44:54 Adam And when you say shortly afterward, what do you mean? Does she take a trip to the bathroom or is it before the bathroom break?

45:02 Caller No, it's just like, I don't know, like a couple seconds after.

45:06 Drew A couple seconds after. Can't you hold on?

45:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's quick.

45:09 Caller I never bothered timing.

45:11 Adam You never bothered timing?

45:12 Caller No.

45:13 Adam All right. Hey, Dustin?

45:14 Caller Yes.

45:14 Adam Yeah, kiss my ass. I don't like Dustin.

45:17 Caller He's a jackass.

45:18 Adam Big deal. I hope your gums get pregnant. I don't need that kind of sass.

45:27 Caller I really don't.

45:28 Adam I mean, I'm in no mood for that.

45:31 Ann Danielewski (Poe You're not going to tolerate it.

45:33 Drew No mood for Cirrus.

45:34 Adam No.

45:35 Caller Cirrus, yeah.

45:36 Adam Getting Cirrus from 19-year-olds in Woodland Hills, the armpit of the valley.

45:40 Caller You've got dreams to nurture.

45:42 Adam That's right.

45:43 Ann Danielewski (Poe You're a busy man.

45:43 Adam I got to get back to my training regiment.

45:45 Caller That's right.

45:46 Ann Danielewski (Poe You're getting focused.

45:47 Adam Jason?

45:48 Hi.

45:48 Adam You're 23. What's up?

45:50 Caller I wanted to tell Poe and Mark I like them a lot.

45:54 Ann Danielewski (Poe Oh, cool.

45:56 Caller I was wondering, Poe, are you going to be touring with anybody in particular?

46:01 Ann Danielewski (Poe There is a band we might go out with, but the problem is we don't know for sure yet, so I'm not going to say.

46:08 Drew Thanks for bringing that up.

46:09 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'm sorry. Well, you asked. I want to say, but we can't because there's still another band and we're not totally sure, so I'd rather not jinx it.

46:18 Drew When do we start?

46:19 Ann Danielewski (Poe Just check the website, poe.com or the fan site, polishchic.com, which is even better.

46:25 Drew Polish chick?

46:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe Because I said in an interview once, I'm a Polish chick that sings, and so they made a website, which is really awesome. I found out that I was going to do Loveline on polishchic.com.

46:35 Caller Really? Yeah.

46:35 Ann Danielewski (Poe Before my label told me anything. Nice. If you check that out on the web, that will have the info immediately. We should know within about a week.

46:45 Adam Let me ask Jason. Jason, where are you calling from?

46:48 Caller Milwaukee. All right. Milwaukee. Cool.

46:52 Adam Might you stop somewhere in Milwaukee?

46:55 Ann Danielewski (Poe We'll say yes for the sake of argument. I don't know. Anything's possible.

46:58 Adam All right, Jason.

46:59 Ann Danielewski (Poe We will eventually.

47:01 Adam Check the polishchic.com, all right?

47:03 Caller Can I say something else?

47:05 Caller Sure.

47:07 Caller I have a small scale website that I'm going to be giving away free post-80s on.

47:11 Ann Danielewski (Poe Oh, cool.

47:12 Caller To promote.

47:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe Maybe I'll win.

47:14 Caller Yeah. I was wondering if I could say the website.

47:16 Adam Anderson, what do you think?

47:18 Drew He's asking very nicely.

47:19 Adam Yeah, he is. Okay. Go ahead.

47:21 Caller It's www.com.

47:25 Caller There you go. It's F-O-R.

47:27 Adam All right.

47:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe Cool.

47:29 Drew Good luck.

47:29 Caller F-O-R.

47:30 Adam I don't know what that is. I think it's BS and I want to get it as Jason.

47:34 Drew F-O-R, for president.

47:35 Adam I see.

47:36 Caller All right.

47:36 Adam We will take our... Oh, I understand.

47:38 Caller Yeah.

47:39 Adam We would have done that math by the way.

47:40 Caller It's like the bumper sticker.

47:43 Adam We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Yep, it is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. It's Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Mark Z. Danielewski is here. Also, Poe is here tonight. Haunted is the name of Poe's new CD. If you go to poepoe.com, you can find out the possible touring plans and things like that. Well, here's something else off the CD. Also, House of Leaves is the name of the CD that Mark...

49:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe The extended mix.

49:10 Adam Well, you guys are doing so much cross-pollinating. Jesus Christ, I can't keep anything straight anymore. Because Mark is also found on the CD as well. With passages from the book.

49:22 Caller That's right. From a footnote.

49:24 Adam There we go. All right, so it wasn't too far off. James?

49:28 Yeah, I've been listening since about Poor Man. I have to say, Adam, you're the best host the show has had. Most entertaining.

49:34 Adam Well, thanks.

49:35 Drew Were you 10 at the time?

49:37 Nine or 10.

49:38 Drew Nice. Wow.

49:39 So the show has had a lot of influence on me and helped me with a lot of stuff.

49:42 Caller Oh, cool. Good.

49:43 Drew, you definitely do a service. And no one ever thinks Anne. And Anne has to be thanked for all her work over the years.

49:50 Adam Producer Anne.

49:51 Yeah.

49:52 Ann Danielewski (Poe Thank you, Anne.

49:53 Adam Dump that with you. All right, go ahead.

49:56 Drew If she were here, she'd be graciously attempted.

49:59 I read How to Weave a couple of months ago, and I just noticed before you mentioned that the songs, at least that one that you just played a few minutes ago, is pretty much right out of the book. And how you came up with that concept to do songs in the book. And I think is the album kind of like almost started more like that to go along with the book?

50:17 Ann Danielewski (Poe All the songs integrate with the book, you know, more in terms of image like the Five and a Half Minute Hallway is a song, it's also a chapter in the book.

50:24 Adam But you don't need one to enjoy the other, do you?

50:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, you don't. They're siblings, they live on their own, do you know? But that's the only one that Mark actually reads on and that was just a remix we kind of did at our house, my house.

50:38 Caller The way it worked was that while I was writing the thing, I was always listening to stuff that my sister was working on and when I wrote the chapter on the Five and a Half Minute Hallway, she read it and then she took it into a completely different emotional direction and then when I listened to her song, it sort of influenced me in the way the book was shaped. And so the book and the CD kept talking to each other. And so when we went on the road...

51:02 Ann Danielewski (Poe And he just does things too. It goes the other way too. Like he wrote some stuff into the book, you know, from ideas and so on.

51:09 Caller No, absolutely. That's what I was saying. But explain how we went on the tour and...

51:15 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, we did a tour, believe it or not, of Borders Bookstores and brought a DJ with me. And basically to spend the time and talk a little bit about how, you know, like how a certain song came about and then read passages from the book that it integrates with. And, you know, we just had the idea at that point to have to drop some verses out of some of these songs and have Mark do readings. And then, you know, basically we weren't getting any radio. And so I had the idea of recording him at my house and sent it to a friend in Portland, Oregon. And three weeks later, Mark was driving down the street and heard himself on K-Rock. Like, how did this happen? And that's kind of how it ended up. And now we've stripped that mix onto the CD.

51:59 Adam Hey, James, how did you get hip to the book?

52:03 A friend of mine, where I work, had it. And I mean, it's definitely, there's nothing else like it. It's pretty, it's incredible, but it's some work. I know it took me like a week to read it.

52:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's quick.

52:14 Which is, you know, but it's a...

52:16 Caller It's a speed read, man.

52:18 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

52:18 It's pretty different. And it's, so I know there are like some places where 25 pages took me like four hours to get through.

52:25 Adam Well, you got to turn it upside down and basically spin it around on a potter's wheel.

52:30 Ann Danielewski (Poe Does that count as physical exercise? Yeah.

52:32 Adam If you're actually, it looks like you're using...

52:34 Drew On roller blades, no...

52:35 Adam .using the book as a steering wheel.

52:37 Caller But if you're running stairs while you're doing it, it counts. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

52:40 Adam Thanks, James.

52:41 Caller Yeah. Thank you. It's genius.

52:43 Caller Thanks, James.

52:43 Caller So have a good night.

52:45 Adam Take care of yourself.

52:46 Caller Bye.

52:46 Caller All right.

52:47 Adam Let's talk to Robert. Robert, you're 20. What's up?

52:52 Caller I got a question. A friend of mine was having sex with a girl.

52:57 Drew Sure, a friend. He has a friend.

52:59 Caller Got it. I believe him. Go ahead.

53:01 Drew You don't think he sounds like somebody that be having sex?

53:04 Caller And his condom ripped.

53:06 Caller Yes.

53:06 Caller He was wondering on how long will it take to get tested and find something out?

53:12 Drew It could be tested the next day, but it's six months for HIV.

53:16 Adam Why? Does your friend suspect the girl may have had HIV or any other diseases?

53:22 Caller He doesn't think it's HIV, but he thinks he's not sure about something else.

53:27 Drew This is somebody he's never met before?

53:29 Caller Yeah. That's the whole point.

53:31 Caller All right.

53:31 Drew Well, he could be checked for chlamydia and gonorrhea and non-gonococcal causes of STD, and herpes would show up within 10 days usually.

53:39 Caller So what's the 10 days?

53:42 Caller Do they have a faster test for HIV now?

53:44 Drew There's some, but the screening release, the antibody test is still the gold standard.

53:49 Caller Hey, Robert? Yeah.

53:51 Adam How are you doing, buddy?

53:52 Caller Can you come back in 20 minutes?

53:53 Caller Yeah. We'll call you back. All right? What was that? Hey, Robert?

53:56 Ann Danielewski (Poe What was that?

53:57 Adam That's your kid's sister or something?

53:59 Caller Who?

54:00 Adam Whoever was on the other line?

54:02 Drew Lauren.

54:02 Caller Oh, that was Lauren?

54:03 Adam Oh, that was my kid's sister. Ironically, my sister's name is Lauren. Robert, you're living in North Hollywood?

54:10 Caller Yeah. Yeah.

54:11 Adam You got to get out of there, buddy.

54:12 Caller Why is that?

54:13 Adam That's no place for a man to live. I grew up in North Hollywood.

54:17 Caller That place is a hellhole.

54:19 Adam Where are you? What street you at?

54:22 Caller Near Arlita.

54:23 Adam No.

54:24 Caller Get out of there.

54:26 Caller Run. Move now.

54:27 Adam Did you go to North Hollywood High or did you go to Polly?

54:30 Caller I went to Polly.

54:31 Caller No.

54:33 Adam Then you transferred where?

54:34 Caller To Grant. No.

54:37 Adam Grant's not too bad.

54:38 Caller Really?

54:39 Adam It's better in Polly.

54:40 Drew Grant's like what? Where is it?

54:41 Adam Grant's a hell of a lot better in Polly. Isn't it, Robert?

54:43 Caller Oh, hell yeah. Better.

54:45 Adam All right, buddy. Easy on the weed. Okay?

54:47 Caller A lot more army hands.

54:49 Adam A lot more.

54:49 Drew I will get you. You can get him get tested in a week if there's any concerns.

54:53 Adam You see what I had to grow up with? He was the mayor of North Hollywood.

54:59 Caller He's a valedictorian.

55:00 Adam He's a captain of the Speech and Debate Club.

55:02 Drew Nice. Command of language.

55:04 Adam That's right. Chris?

55:07 Drew Yeah.

55:07 Adam You're 15. What's up?

55:09 Caller Yeah. I think my stepdad is cheating on my mom.

55:13 Adam Yeah.

55:13 Caller How do you figure? Just a lot of things. The person I think he's doing it with is-

55:18 Adam His penis smelled weird the other night. Not like mom.

55:22 Caller No. But he- I think he's doing it with his co-worker and she always calls when my mom is gone. Like when she's at work and has other things to do that are previously scheduled. And I've heard some conversations that my stepdad has had with her and just like little things and it sounds like they've got something going on.

55:43 Adam Yeah. Do you like your stepdad?

55:45 Caller No. I hate him.

55:46 Adam Shocking.

55:47 Caller Yeah. Yeah. I want him out of the house. And so this is a good excuse, I guess.

55:52 Adam Why do you want him out of the house?

55:54 Caller Because he's a jerk.

55:55 Drew What does he do?

55:55 Caller Hold on. Let me write that down.

55:57 Caller Yeah.

55:57 Drew What does he do?

55:58 Caller He's verbally abusive and I don't know, over the past few years, my mom married him when I was like seven. Yeah. When I was seven and at first he kind of stayed out of my life, but recently he's been like punishing me like really extremely harshly. And we just-

56:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe What kind of punishment for what kind of crime?

56:17 Caller One of my friends, I smoked a cigarette, just one cigarette because I used to smoke. And with one of my friends, I know I'm not allowed to see him anymore.

56:24 Caller Yeah.

56:25 Adam You understand and again, I don't want to sound like pops Corolla, but parents or even step parents disciplining their kids is not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, he shouldn't be-

56:37 Caller It's unpleasant.

56:37 Adam Shouldn't be.

56:38 Caller Well, I wouldn't mind if my mom was doing it because I don't-

56:41 Adam I know, but that's a load of crap. It really is. I mean, your dad is God knows where. This guy married your mom, he stepped in, he tried to form a family, and it's like just because you guys don't have the same DNA, he can't talk to you. Meanwhile, he puts a roof over your head and food in your mouth.

56:58 Caller No, he's like he has got anger management problems and he'll just start- I don't know.

57:03 Drew Well, why don't you build your case carefully?

57:04 Adam Where is your real dad, by the way?

57:07 Caller He's a drug dealer in Georgia. Right.

57:09 Adam So he's a dynamite individual.

57:11 Caller Right.

57:11 Drew But this is the kind of guys that your mom picks?

57:15 Caller No, she kind of had a life, well, a little bit. This guy, he just never, I don't think he's ever had a beer in his entire life.

57:21 Adam Well, what do you think of your real dad? Do you ever have any contact with him?

57:27 Caller I talk to him like once every three months or so.

57:29 Adam And what do you think of him?

57:30 Caller How do you get along with him? He's kind of cool, but no, he's not someone that I want to have any kind of serious relationship.

57:36 Adam Okay, good. I'm glad you're realistic.

57:39 Drew I don't want a serious relationship with my parents.

57:40 Caller Yeah.

57:42 Adam Just a casual flirtation, perhaps.

57:44 Drew Yeah, just a platonic, platonic with the parents.

57:46 Ann Danielewski (Poe Is there anything about this stepdad that you like? Have you had any good times with him?

57:52 Caller No. No. We've always had kind of like a weird relationship whenever like my mom's not home and I'm home and it's just me and him.

58:00 Drew I suggest that if you're going to tell your mom about what he's been up to, you have your case carefully built.

58:05 Adam Yeah.

58:06 Drew Ironclad.

58:07 Adam I got to tell you, this guy sounds like the kind of guy who could have you killed. He could cut the brakes on your 10-speed or something.

58:15 Drew Well, certainly he could slime his way out of almost anything other than some super incriminating like a tape recording of his.

58:23 Adam Let me give you all just a little window into my personal life here. I've had two step parents and they're all right. Stepdad was better. Stepmom was a pain in the ass when I was growing up.

58:36 Drew You didn't talk about her quite so clemently for having disciplined you.

58:41 Adam She didn't really discipline me.

58:42 Drew By putting you out in the garage, in the dog house.

58:44 Adam Well, I was more banished to the garage, but I wasn't really disciplined. But it's weird when you have the stepparent that you don't know that well, and you don't like that well, and Lord knows they ain't nuts about you because you're just that pain in the ass from the last relationship. I mean, you're a physical-

59:01 Ann Danielewski (Poe They want to be in love and with the person that they're with, and you got the, hey, yo.

59:05 Adam You're like the physical representation of the last bitch dad was with, and vice versa when the stepdad is around. So you're not their problem, and you don't like them, and they don't really like you. Then when you're left alone in the house with them, you're walking around this house with somebody that's a little weird.

59:26 Ann Danielewski (Poe You don't know who they are, and you expect it to be like-

59:28 Adam Like each one of you wants the other just to clear out, basically. It's not great, but I can tell you a couple of things we get on this show, which is a lot of guys who have really bad biological dads, then stepdad comes in, and all the energy that should have gone toward real a-hole biological dad gets channeled toward stepdad. You're not my boss, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, meanwhile, real dads are peddling dine bags in some park in Georgia. You know what I mean? This is the guy you should have your beef with. Stepdad may not be a great guy, but at least he's there. At least he's present, and at least he's trying to create some form of, some sense of family.

1:00:09 Caller I mean, it seems difficult, but one good approach is just to find out more about your stepparent. Just ask questions. The more you know about them, the less sort of a screen they're going to be to project all those awful garbage on. So just find out, you know, really who they are.

1:00:25 Adam Yeah, then you frame them and bust them.

1:00:26 Caller Absolutely.

1:00:27 Adam For banging their secretary. I suggest just the opposite, which is, Mark's right on paper, but my thing is just lay low. Just go to high school. Just get out. Go play sports afterward. Hang out at your friend's house. Just stay out of this guy's crosshairs. Just don't get on his bad side. Stay, if he's got rage or anger management problems, stay out of the guy's face. Just go to your room, do your homework and get up in the morning, go to school and don't come home till 6 o'clock at night.

1:00:54 Caller And make sure the cameras are running and the tape recorders.

1:00:56 Adam You ride it out a few years and you go far away to college somewhere and you're out.

1:01:00 Ann Danielewski (Poe If that's the case though, find some really good friends.

1:01:03 Adam Oh yeah, definitely. Here's the other thing about-

1:01:06 Ann Danielewski (Poe Anyone that you can build a trusting relationship with, even if they're older, would be cool.

1:01:13 Adam The other thing about step-parents is unlike real parents, once you're out of house, you're done with them. They're not your real parents anymore.

1:01:19 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's true.

1:01:20 Adam You'll never have to talk to them again. So you make it to 18, you go off to college somewhere, you'll never talk to the guy again.

1:01:24 Ann Danielewski (Poe Unless they hunt you down, say.

1:01:26 Adam Could happen.

1:01:27 Drew That was you hunting your mom down.

1:01:28 Adam Human prey.

1:01:29 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, exactly.

1:01:30 Adam Jessica, you're 24. What's up?

1:01:34 Caller Well, just recently, a couple weeks ago-

1:01:37 Ann Danielewski (Poe Can I just say, I always love the way that you tell people how old they are. So definitively, Jessica, you're 24. That's their question.

1:01:46 Adam It's a rhythm, and the less thinking I have to do, the better on the show. But I realize when you're listening to the show-

1:01:53 Ann Danielewski (Poe If I didn't know how old I was, I would call here.

1:01:55 Adam Let me say something. How dare you, by the way, barge into my studio after two long years in a love affair that ended without so much as a phone call or an email. Now, here's what I want to say. This is a syndicated radio show, and on most syndicated radio shows, they tell you where the caller is from, but not how old they are. And where they're from is just a bit of a jackoff to me. It's so everyone knows you're widely syndicated. But we don't get into that because it doesn't really matter to us.

1:02:22 Ann Danielewski (Poe It doesn't tell you much.

1:02:23 Adam You have problems, and they're going to be the same as they are on the East, as they are on the West Coast. But to age, I'm always curious when I listen to other shows how old this person is, because if they're pregnant or the boyfriend, they lost their virginity or whatever it is.

1:02:37 Ann Danielewski (Poe Good point.

1:02:38 Adam Big difference between 14 and 24.

1:02:40 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yep.

1:02:41 Adam Jessica?

1:02:41 Ann Danielewski (Poe Year 24.

1:02:42 Adam Year 24. What's up?

1:02:44 Caller Okay. The reason I'm calling is that just recently, I've been married to my husband for five years, and just recently, a couple of weeks ago, my husband told me that he had an affair two years ago. It wasn't an affair. It was like a one-night stand type thing two years ago. I really don't know why he told me.

1:03:03 Drew That's what we got to figure out. Why did he tell you this?

1:03:06 Adam More troubling than the affair itself is why he told you.

1:03:10 Drew Yeah.

1:03:10 Caller In other words, I told him he's either a real idiot or he's doing something right now.

1:03:18 Drew Exactly.

1:03:19 Adam Well, if he's doing something right now, I don't know why he's bringing up the past affair.

1:03:25 Drew He's building up to the fact that in fact they've been together since that affair.

1:03:29 Adam Well, you think he's trying to drop a bomb? He's getting ready to drop a bomb here?

1:03:33 Caller I don't know. He kind of has a problem telling the truth a lot of times. I don't know if there's something else because he always tells me this is the only thing, you know, whatever.

1:03:46 Adam Well, what other lies have you caught him in?

1:03:48 Caller Well, let's see. The fact that well, before we were dating, when we were just dating before we were married, he forgot to inform me that he was married before, but I thought, well, you know, I was kind of stupid.

1:04:02 Drew A minor detail.

1:04:04 Caller Yeah. Well, you know, I thought, well, maybe, you know, whatever. He just thought that...

1:04:11 Adam Well, listen, you don't have to rationalize every move. You were dumb and he's an idiot. Go ahead.

1:04:15 Caller So anyway, and then just recently, I found out he was communicating with this ex, and supposedly there was maybe some kid that might be his, might not be. He signed off on papers. Oh, so that was like a few months ago. And then now this.

1:04:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe You've been with him five years?

1:04:35 Caller Well, actually, I've been a long, that's how long I've been married, almost five years.

1:04:39 Drew What else has he been telling you? What else have you been up to?

1:04:41 Caller Well, and then this.

1:04:43 Drew There's anything weird with his job? Is he doing drugs or alcohol?

1:04:46 Caller No, nothing like that.

1:04:47 Drew He doesn't lie about his work or money or?

1:04:49 Caller No.

1:04:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe How's your sex life?

1:04:51 Caller Oh, it was fine. It was until this. That's it. He's not here anymore. I kicked him out and I've already filed for divorce. I just was wondering why.

1:05:01 Drew Whoa.

1:05:02 Ann Danielewski (Poe She moves fast.

1:05:03 Caller Rock and roll.

1:05:04 Adam Do you have kids?

1:05:05 Caller No kids.

1:05:06 Caller Oh, good. Good.

1:05:08 Adam That is so good. Why don't you have kids? Is something wrong with your tubes?

1:05:12 Caller Well, I'm 24 and I'm in law school.

1:05:15 Adam Okay. Let's see. There you go. Wait, wait, wait.

1:05:18 Drew Don't hang up.

1:05:18 Adam I'm not going to hang up. But here's an example of someone who's not a victim.

1:05:22 Caller Right.

1:05:23 Adam She made a mistake. She was blinded by love. She got hooked up with the wrong guy. She realized this guy was a sociopath.

1:05:31 Drew Well, he tells.

1:05:31 Adam Smart enough not to start a family with this guy. He screwed up more than once and she booted him out, and you can move on with your life now.

1:05:38 Caller Right. Well, I have another question also. Do you think I need to have some kind of counseling to just?

1:05:44 Drew I think it'd be a good idea for a couple of reasons. One is to help get some closure on what's going on here. Secondly, to figure out what it is that attracts you to someone like this. And thirdly, help you.

1:05:56 Caller I think I was just kind of young.

1:05:57 Drew No, no. There are a lot of young people and they don't all pick jerk-offs like this.

1:06:02 Adam Yeah, but I'll-

1:06:03 Drew There's some to that.

1:06:04 Adam This guy wasn't beating her and boozing and all that.

1:06:07 Caller What does he do?

1:06:09 Caller Excuse me.

1:06:09 Caller What does he do?

1:06:10 Caller What does he do? What's his job? Yeah. Top. He works at a recruiting firm.

1:06:18 Ann Danielewski (Poe Recruiting for what?

1:06:20 Caller For kind of like a headhunter type job.

1:06:24 Drew And the other thing is why you've had difficulty seeing reality on reality's terms. What's your denial about and why you don't see things more clearly before they come and really hit you between the eyes. How did he react when you kicked him out?

1:06:37 Caller Well, that was kind of another weird part. He's just kind of like 20 minutes after he told me, he's all like, well, we need to decide how we're going to split up things.

1:06:46 Caller And you know.

1:06:47 Ann Danielewski (Poe See, he was ready to go.

1:06:49 Caller Drew's right.

1:06:50 Adam Yeah, he's had something going on. I mean, he's asking for an out.

1:06:54 Drew This has been going on for a while. Yeah.

1:06:56 Caller I just don't know if something's going on or.

1:06:58 Drew Yes, something's going on.

1:06:59 Adam Yeah, something's going on.

1:07:00 Drew Something's going on and that you need therapy to figure out why you have difficulty seeing people for what they really are.

1:07:04 Ann Danielewski (Poe And you should be happy that you're free. You're in law school, you're smart, you got your whole future.

1:07:09 Adam Relatively, yes. And listen, this guy's a sociopath, he really is. And when sociopaths do things that seem noble. No way. I just want to tell you it was eating at my conscience. This guy doesn't have a soul. No, she's waiting out in the car, for Christ's sake. She's at some motel somewhere. I mean, obviously he wanted out and the fact that he didn't argue with you or anything, he's like, pow, how are we going to end this?

1:07:33 Caller He wanted out too.

1:07:34 Adam Fine.

1:07:34 Drew That's why I brought it up.

1:07:35 Adam You're both out? No kids.

1:07:36 Caller He's manipulating her into thinking that she should be responsible for his confession.

1:07:40 Drew Oh, yeah, please.

1:07:41 Adam Right. This is a guy who wants to get fired, so he goes to the boss's office, takes a cramp in his desk drawer. Then he's like, well, I got fired.

1:07:50 Drew Boss doesn't inform me.

1:07:51 Adam Yes, that's right, man. Do the work of five guys. Never liked me. Jared?

1:07:55 Yeah.

1:07:56 Adam You're 23?

1:07:57 Caller Yes. How you guys doing?

1:07:58 Adam Good.

1:07:59 Caller I just had a question.

1:08:01 Caller My good friends just overdosed on ecstasy and alcohol.

1:08:05 Drew What does that mean? What do you mean overdosed?

1:08:08 Caller He's dead.

1:08:09 Drew He's on ecstasy and alcohol.

1:08:10 Caller That's a rare-

1:08:11 Caller The toxicology report, is that what it's called?

1:08:14 Drew Yeah.

1:08:15 Caller It hasn't come back yet. Yeah.

1:08:17 Drew I bet there's more than just ecstasy and alcohol.

1:08:18 Caller Because he's an avid ecstasy and alcohol.

1:08:21 Adam Well, as we learned a few weeks back when we did our ecstasy show, you don't know what you're getting, really.

1:08:26 Drew Yeah. But ecstasy, you can die from ecstasy. What was the sin?

1:08:30 Adam You're saying you weren't five seconds ago.

1:08:32 Drew You can. It's unlikely.

1:08:34 Adam Wouldn't it be more likely he got something else?

1:08:36 Drew No. It's more like he took something else.

1:08:39 Caller Oh, really? Yeah.

1:08:39 Drew The stuff that you're getting that being masquerading is actually not going to kill you.

1:08:43 Caller How long does it take to get a college report?

1:08:45 Drew I don't know. I'm sure it'll be a few weeks. But listen, how did it go down? Did he have seizures or what happened?

1:08:52 Caller I'm really, really not sure.

1:08:54 Drew Okay.

1:08:54 Caller All right.

1:08:55 Drew I would predict that either this is an alcohol overdose just made worse by ecstasy or he took something else also.

1:09:01 Caller You can overdose on alcohol?

1:09:02 Caller Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you can dive alcohol.

1:09:05 Adam Let me ask you a ecstasy and coke related alcohol question.

1:09:09 Drew Yeah. This is not cocaine, though.

1:09:12 Adam I know. This is for me. Not everything's for college.

1:09:17 Drew Yeah, I understand.

1:09:18 Adam We're going to do some me, Mark, and Poe. We're going to do some coke.

1:09:21 Drew Don't let him do those mushrooms.

1:09:22 Ann Danielewski (Poe He gets weird. Yeah, we just want to know.

1:09:23 Drew He starts wigging.

1:09:24 Adam No, I'm not as good a driver on those mushrooms, but I'm better on coke.

1:09:28 Caller I'm worse on mushrooms.

1:09:29 Ann Danielewski (Poe Can you drive us home?

1:09:30 Caller Yeah.

1:09:31 Adam You guys see what I mean?

1:09:32 Caller Yeah.

1:09:34 Adam You know, you do coke, you can drink, right?

1:09:36 Caller Yeah.

1:09:37 Adam You can drink all night, but as far as your body goes, as far as being poisoned by alcohol, doesn't change.

1:09:42 Drew In fact, cocaethylene is formed by the alcohol and cocaine together, and the cocaethylene is cardiac toxic effects.

1:09:48 Adam So the point is-

1:09:49 Drew Cocaine plus alcohol is a pretty deadly combination.

1:09:51 Adam You do coke, you start drinking twice as much as you normally would because you're not really feeling the effects and you end up poisoning yourself from alcohol.

1:09:58 Drew And you have a toxic reaction from the combination of the cocaine and the alcohol.

1:10:01 Adam Right. Now, with X, doesn't happen. could you get high and just drink more and not really feel it too?

1:10:08 Drew Potentially, yeah, because of the speed qualities.

1:10:09 Adam So maybe there was some alcohol poisoning here.

1:10:12 Drew Maybe.

1:10:13 Adam All right. Well, anyway, Jared's not going to know until he gets a toxicology report.

1:10:16 Drew That's right. Or I could tell him more, if you can find out more about what happened, what it looked like when he was dying, I could tell you more about what's happening.

1:10:24 Adam Well, Jared, yeah. What are you worried about? I mean, I'm sorry, Stead, but...

1:10:28 Caller Because we used to party together and I would do the same thing.

1:10:31 Drew Oh, well, let it be known you can die.

1:10:35 Caller Isn't ecstasy more long-term effect, like...

1:10:37 Drew Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Absolutely. But find out exactly what it looked like. Did he have seizures? Did he have hyperthermia? Did he have unconscious? Was he agitated? And that information I can help sort of theorize what happened.

1:10:50 Caller Has like a person ever died of an ecstasy overdose? By itself?

1:10:53 Drew Yes.

1:10:54 Caller Okay. See, I wasn't aware of that.

1:10:55 Drew But that's unusual. It's usually through this malignant hyperthermia.

1:10:58 Adam Hey, Jared, are you scared straight now?

1:11:01 Drew Um, no.

1:11:03 Caller Yeah, well.

1:11:04 Caller Sort of.

1:11:05 Adam Wait till another friend dies?

1:11:06 Caller He'll just die.

1:11:07 Caller I think he was more of an avid...

1:11:09 Adam Oh, yeah, okay.

1:11:10 Caller By himself.

1:11:11 Adam Weak-willed. We know the type. Imposer. Lightweight.

1:11:14 Drew Jared, think about the insanity, the insanity of your thinking. The insanity of what you're thinking right now. Just step back a couple feet.

1:11:21 Adam Your friend just died, and now you're calling for sort of tips just to make sure...

1:11:25 Ann Danielewski (Poe He doesn't happen to you.

1:11:26 Adam He's not okay for you to go on and carry out his work.

1:11:29 Drew He's just a little too much of a heavyweight, but as I've got it right now, you cannot judge these things.

1:11:35 Caller Yeah. All right, buddy.

1:11:37 Adam Jared, you really got to take a look in the mirror now. You understand?

1:11:41 Caller I hear you.

1:11:42 Adam I mean, you're called to pick our brain to find out whether it was okay for you to keep going.

1:11:47 Caller Because I've never heard of such a thing.

1:11:49 Adam I know, but you're still doing it as I'm telling you you're doing it.

1:11:51 Drew And I'm telling you it happens.

1:11:53 Caller All right.

1:11:54 Drew It happens all the time.

1:11:54 Caller Okay.

1:11:55 Adam But really look into your addiction, please, would you?

1:11:59 Caller All right. Good time, sir.

1:11:59 Caller Yeah.

1:12:00 Adam All right, buddy.

1:12:02 Caller He doesn't want to believe that.

1:12:03 Adam Jesus Christ. Listen, I don't, you know, I really respect the guy who's got a problem and just can admit it. I'm sort of okay with that. I'm not going to pass too much judgment on a guy who says, look, I'm into these drugs and I'm 23 and I'm sorry, but I'm young and I'm stupid and I got a boner. And I'm going to do them for another few years. And I'm willing to take that responsibility. This guy was picking our brain to find out whether it was okay if he kept doing it.

1:12:28 Drew He was figuring out from what we said how to rationalize his bone behavior. Not whether you continue, not what he would do, but how to rationalize what it is he does.

1:12:36 Ann Danielewski (Poe How to make sense of it.

1:12:38 Adam Yeah. And he was hell bent on going forward and just wanted to know if the guy got hold of something bad or whatever. That's nice. I'm glad we could be a part of that.

1:12:47 Ann Danielewski (Poe You guys offer a good service.

1:12:49 Adam Yeah. We should hand out clean syringes to Drew. We'll take ourselves a break. We'll be right back.

1:13:26 Caller Hi, this is Matt Stone and Trey Parker from South Park and Baywatch.

1:13:29 Caller And you're listening to Loveline with Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

1:13:34 Adam Yeah! Loveline. You know, Matt Stone of Matt and Trey, South Park guys, came over to my house, played basketball two Saturdays ago, and the guy's got some game.

1:13:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe Oh yeah?

1:13:49 Caller I gotta tell ya.

1:13:50 Ann Danielewski (Poe Damn.

1:13:51 Caller Did he whoop ya?

1:13:52 Adam No, no, cause I got some game too. But he's got some game. I'm always surprised when the artistic types have some game. You'd be surprised. They're out there.

1:14:03 Ann Danielewski (Poe They are. I'm an athlete.

1:14:05 Caller Are you?

1:14:06 Ann Danielewski (Poe I'll kick your.

1:14:07 Caller Really?

1:14:07 Drew What was your sport?

1:14:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe Gymnastics actually. Started in gymnastics.

1:14:10 Drew Let's try to do that.

1:14:12 Adam Yeah. You're rangy for a gymnast.

1:14:14 Ann Danielewski (Poe Well, I grew six inches in one summer when I quit.

1:14:17 Adam Really?

1:14:17 Ann Danielewski (Poe It hurt. I mean, it was painful. I came back. I've never been the same since. I got trip over things. It's really sad.

1:14:23 Adam Really? Six inches in one summer?

1:14:24 Ann Danielewski (Poe In one summer. I went from the little gymnast to like the tall gangly thing.

1:14:29 Caller Yeah. What hl were you?

1:14:32 Adam Wow. And then that was it? Did you keep growing?

1:14:35 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, no, no. I couldn't. I mean, it's...

1:14:36 Adam What are you like? No, I mean, growing wise.

1:14:38 Ann Danielewski (Poe No way.

1:14:38 Adam I mean, you're like five-eleven?

1:14:40 Ann Danielewski (Poe I actually grew two inches after the age of 21.

1:14:43 Caller Huh.

1:14:44 Ann Danielewski (Poe Which was weird.

1:14:45 Caller Very weird.

1:14:45 Ann Danielewski (Poe I just had a gross spurt and it was kind of strange.

1:14:49 Adam You're close to six.

1:14:49 Ann Danielewski (Poe Five-ten.

1:14:50 Caller Really?

1:14:51 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah.

1:14:51 Adam Good times.

1:14:52 Caller I like that.

1:14:54 Caller Yeah.

1:14:55 Adam I like a small woman though. Makes my penis seem bigger. I've said that many a time.

1:14:59 Drew You've always said that.

1:14:59 Adam All things being relative.

1:15:01 Ann Danielewski (Poe So how small is the smallest woman that you've gone out with?

1:15:05 Drew Three inches.

1:15:05 Ann Danielewski (Poe How big did you feel then?

1:15:08 Adam Not big enough. I don't know if I've ever really-

1:15:13 Ann Danielewski (Poe Kind of worried about them.

1:15:14 Adam What you want and what you get, two different things, you know. I don't mind petite though. I don't mind that. I just never had any petite girlfriends. I date, um, three hundred plus. But I want petite. But petite to me is, you know, 250, 245. In the two range.

1:15:33 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's tiny.

1:15:33 Adam Yeah, medium twos.

1:15:35 Caller Anthony? Yes.

1:15:37 Adam You're 18?

1:15:39 Caller Yes.

1:15:39 Caller How's it going, Adam and Dr. Drew?

1:15:40 Adam Good. How you doing?

1:15:41 Caller Great.

1:15:43 Caller On the subject of petite women, well, last, it would have been Friday. Not to mention older women. But I guess we were just having an intercourse. And my brother always said, if you want to learn sex, have sex with an older woman and she'll tear you up in bed. And I think that's what happened.

1:16:07 Adam Yeah.

1:16:08 Caller She tore you up.

1:16:08 Caller How old is she?

1:16:10 Caller Well, compared to me, she's 25.

1:16:13 Adam Yeah.

1:16:13 Caller And I'm 18.

1:16:15 Caller Yeah.

1:16:16 Adam That geezer showed you a few new tricks.

1:16:19 Caller Yeah. Unlike these 17 and 18 year olds.

1:16:23 Adam What's your older brother's name?

1:16:24 Caller Kurt? Kurt? No, it'd be Nicholas.

1:16:28 Adam Yeah. That's no name for an older brother. You can call him Nick.

1:16:32 Caller Yeah.

1:16:32 Caller I usually call him Nick.

1:16:34 Adam Older brother should be named Kurt. All right.

1:16:37 Drew Let's get to the next day with the problem.

1:16:39 Caller What is your-

1:16:40 Adam Nick, Nicholas.

1:16:41 Drew What's the question? You're like a Samada.

1:16:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe You just wanted to bring-

1:16:44 Drew Definitely, Nicholas. Definitely, definitely.

1:16:48 Adam Nicholas. Yeah, that's a little guy who follows you around. You got to tell him to go back home.

1:16:53 Caller So the first thing you got to do is tell your brother.

1:16:55 Drew What is the question?

1:16:56 Caller To change his name.

1:16:56 Caller Kurt.

1:16:58 Caller Well, you can call him Nick. You can call me Tony and say my name.

1:17:00 Drew Definitely Nick. Nick.

1:17:01 Caller Definitely. It works all the way.

1:17:03 Drew What is the question?

1:17:04 Caller Well, my question is, I got bruised pretty badly. And I'm wondering, I've been with differing...

1:17:11 Drew Hold on. Hold on. Did you bend it?

1:17:14 Caller I don't know. I've...

1:17:15 Adam You must have.

1:17:16 Drew Did it stop working?

1:17:18 Caller No, no, no. We had it again last night.

1:17:21 Drew So you have normal erectile function. You don't have pain with sex, no pain with intercourse.

1:17:26 Caller When it gets erect, it's a little painful. Not much because I was thinking, I was thinking, did I break my penis?

1:17:32 Drew You can tear the sheath in there, but usually it will distort and it won't get erections anymore. So you're probably fine. Just be easy, very easy.

1:17:40 Caller Take it slow.

1:17:42 Drew No more coming down hard on the penis.

1:17:44 Caller Yeah.

1:17:45 Adam Spare that penis.

1:17:47 Caller Yeah.

1:17:48 Adam I wonder if her name was Kurt. I just think that's a good name for an older brother. You know?

1:17:54 Caller Yeah.

1:17:55 Adam Guy's got a van. You know?

1:17:58 Ann Danielewski (Poe Did you have any brothers?

1:18:00 Adam Turns you on to some weed.

1:18:02 Ann Danielewski (Poe Did you have any brothers?

1:18:02 Adam No, I didn't have any brothers.

1:18:03 Ann Danielewski (Poe So this is your fantasy brothers, Kurt, with a van.

1:18:06 Caller With a van.

1:18:08 Ann Danielewski (Poe He's going to turn you on to some weed.

1:18:09 Caller Yeah.

1:18:10 Ann Danielewski (Poe You know? Drive you around. Show you the ropes.

1:18:13 Adam Yeah. Like for your birthday, gets you a leather vest. You think it's pretty cool.

1:18:17 Ann Danielewski (Poe Does he play guitar?

1:18:19 Adam He tries.

1:18:20 Ann Danielewski (Poe Right.

1:18:20 Adam He's not very good at it.

1:18:21 Ann Danielewski (Poe Exactly.

1:18:22 Caller He tells you about the beaches in Baja.

1:18:24 Drew Lisa, what's going on?

1:18:25 Adam Made up stories about getting laid all the time.

1:18:27 Drew Lisa.

1:18:27 Caller Yes.

1:18:28 Drew What's up?

1:18:28 Caller Hi. How are you?

1:18:29 Drew Good.

1:18:30 Caller Good. My husband and I, we picked up two copies of House of Leaves and bought the Poe CD. We read it together and listened to the CD and it is phenomenal. It's just so great. We've been recommending it to everybody. I just wanted to say thank you for that. That's awesome. Thank you. I have no problem.

1:18:48 Adam Not anymore.

1:18:49 Caller Wow.

1:18:50 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's so awesome.

1:18:51 Drew House of Leaves altered you, changed you.

1:18:53 Caller It's a great piece of literature. It's totally refreshing, something really new and different. It was a blast reading that together. We got to discuss it and stuff. It was really fun. Thank you.

1:19:04 Drew Thank you.

1:19:04 Adam That's awesome.

1:19:05 Caller Thank you very much.

1:19:05 Drew Thank you.

1:19:06 Caller All right. Bye-bye.

1:19:06 Adam All right. You got to get some cable though, right?

1:19:09 Caller No. We don't own cable at all. Yeah.

1:19:11 Adam That's what I'm saying. You got to get some TV in the house.

1:19:14 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's the problem.

1:19:15 Caller Stay away from the cable.

1:19:15 Ann Danielewski (Poe Stay away from the book.

1:19:16 Adam Nothing wrong with reading.

1:19:18 Drew Stand back from the book.

1:19:19 Adam When you and your husband are breaking off into discussion groups and stuff.

1:19:22 Caller Did you guys read it aloud?

1:19:23 Ann Danielewski (Poe Don't listen to this guy.

1:19:24 Adam That's all I'm saying.

1:19:25 Caller Read aloud?

1:19:26 Caller Did you read the book aloud to each other?

1:19:28 Caller Some parts of it because there was one part that I got really confused, especially in the maze, and so he had to explain it to me. And we went over a couple of things together. A few times it threw me off a little bit, having to go back and forth within the pages and stuff. But it was cool. It was still definitely an experience.

1:19:49 Adam Thanks, Lisa.

1:19:50 Drew All right.

1:19:50 Caller Well, thanks a lot.

1:19:51 Caller Take care of yourself.

1:19:51 Drew I don't think how far that is from your experience of life.

1:19:54 Ann Danielewski (Poe Your reality.

1:19:55 Drew Yeah.

1:19:55 Caller Reading.

1:19:56 Drew Just reading with your girlfriend and discussing what it might mean.

1:20:01 Caller Kurt in his van.

1:20:02 Ann Danielewski (Poe Kurt in a van.

1:20:04 Caller And House of Leaves.

1:20:06 Adam No way. You know what you read with Kurt in his van? He's got that bumper sticker that says, Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free. Any slightly more updated version, the Coke, Toke, or Poke. Nobody rides for free.

1:20:20 Drew Nice.

1:20:22 Adam He's got his own philosophy though. Don't kid yourself. He may not have read any books. That's right.

1:20:27 Caller Come on, Adam.

1:20:28 Caller Let me read you Little House of Leaves now.

1:20:30 Adam No continuation school could hold Kurt down, boy.

1:20:33 Caller He had dreams.

1:20:35 Adam Dreams are going to the beach.

1:20:36 Caller Rodeo Astronaut.

1:20:37 Adam All right. Let's hear something from Poe's latest CD. How about that? This one is called Control. Wow, Haunted is right.

1:26:18 Ann Danielewski (Poe That's going in the segue. There's segues between all these songs.

1:26:21 Adam That is Poe, off of Haunted, controls the name of that one. Well, I'll tell you, that is some moody ass music. I really enjoy that. And maybe it's because I get to listen on headphones, but I could see myself driving somewhere in the rain, maybe over to Kurt's house. Or some weed, yeah.

1:26:41 Drew Was that your dad's lecture mode?

1:26:42 Ann Danielewski (Poe Yeah, that's his lecture mode. And that comes early in the CD.

1:26:46 Caller That was breakfast, Drew.

1:26:48 Ann Danielewski (Poe Wow. Where I recorded this little girl and created these conversations with him that I sort of never got to finish. And he comes in and he sort of says, you know, what is it? And he's talking to me when I'm two from one of these cassettes and I'm crying. And this little girl says, you think I'll cry, I won't cry. I will, you know, go crazy before I cry, I'll go mad, right? And then it goes into control and that's like this resistance to this voice. Like, you know, I don't want anything to do with this thing. And then it evolves over the record to a different place. But you'll see.

1:27:21 Adam As you know, we got to take a break. Normally, I don't like art, Drew, or even close relatives of art, but I'm starting to get into this. This could be one of my new scenes. I could make this scene is what I'm saying.

1:27:36 Ann Danielewski (Poe We need to talk about your wardrobe then.

1:27:38 Adam All right. Stuff's free. What do you want? All right. We'll be back.

1:27:43 Caller Hello, this is your radio radio. Loveline will be right back.

1:28:21 Adam It is Loveline. I'm Adam Corolla. That is Dr. Drew over there. Poe is here tonight. Haunted is the name for CD. Mark Z. Danielewski is also here. That is Poe's brother, or Poe is Mark's sister, depending on how you want to look at it. He is a poet and author. House of Leaves is the name of the book. I almost said CD again. And we've gotten some pretty good reviews on it so far on this show. And we normally don't get too many calls on people that read. People that read, yeah. And whether they buy the book or get it from that house that has the books. What's that? Bookstore. No.

1:29:00 Drew Library.

1:29:01 Adam Yeah, that one, because it doesn't have the word book in it. There's no way you can remember that one. Jim?

1:29:09 Caller How old is he?

1:29:10 Drew 18.

1:29:11 Adam 28.

1:29:12 Ann Danielewski (Poe You're 28. I always wanted to say that.

1:29:14 Caller Dr. Drew, they said that I was having problems forming my questions, so I wrote them down here, so we don't have any problems on the air. I really don't care about being on the air, and if you're going to rush through me, I'd like to talk to you off the air.

1:29:26 Drew What is your question?

1:29:28 Caller You stated on the show that the morning after pill was just like taking several doses of a regular pill.

1:29:33 Drew It is. It functions. It works the same as the birth control pill.

1:29:36 Caller But it's not the same chemical?

1:29:37 Drew It's the exact same chemical.

1:29:39 Caller Okay. Well, in gearing up for your defending the morning after pill, you said that you went to the library, the place where they keep books, Adam, and you found that the morning after pill is really less controversial as far as preventing ovulation versus the actual aborting of the embryo and the pill was worse.

1:29:55 Drew No, no. What I said was that the, for some reason, the morning after pill, the levonogestrel and the hormone, has become a battleground for people that aren't reading the science. And if you read the science, it shows it really is probably no more likely to interfere with implantation than the regular birth control pill or than a couple of anti-inflammatory medications, of which there are hundreds of millions of prescriptions every year.

1:30:23 Caller But it's the same as the regular pill. Until Sunday show, I never heard you say that the repeat exposure to the morning after pill was bad.

1:30:31 Drew It's not bad. It's just not considered proper contraception because it's only 70 percent effective. So if you're using the morning after pill as your means of contraception, you're in error. It's not a good contraception. It's a backup measure.

1:30:43 Ann Danielewski (Poe That can't be good for your hormones either, can it?

1:30:46 Drew What's that?

1:30:47 Caller The irritation of the lining of the uterus.

1:30:49 Drew That's the same as what the birth control pill does, too.

1:30:51 Caller It's the same. So taking the triple dose or whatever isn't worse for the uterus than taking one every day.

1:30:56 Drew No. In fact, my understanding is, and this is my understanding of the data, that of the many, many tens and tens of millions of users of the morning after contraception, there's never been a single adverse effect. Not a single, which is why people are advocating it be made available over the counter.

1:31:14 Adam All right. I cut Jim off because I know he had a list of demands at the top of his call. We may not get our hostage back, but we got to move on. I like guys who approach it that way. If you think Drew is going to talk to you five seconds after the show goes off the air, you're sadly mistaken. You really could be hemorrhaging from your head.

1:31:32 Caller He would not talk to you.

1:31:33 Adam He's not on the clock. Gwen?

1:31:36 Caller Yeah.

1:31:36 Adam Hold on a second.

1:31:37 Caller Okay.

1:31:38 Adam I know you want to ask Mark a quick question. I just want to, Diana? Your boyfriend's penis tastes bad?

1:31:45 Caller Yeah.

1:31:46 Drew Just his?

1:31:47 Caller Well, like when I give him a blowjob, it tastes extremely bad when he ejaculates.

1:31:52 Caller Oh. Yeah.

1:31:54 Caller Yeah. Somebody told me that if he like apple juice or something.

1:31:59 Adam Well, it couldn't hurt, but you might as well just get used to it. Listen, it took me a while to like beer.

1:32:03 Drew Hey, your friends from Culver City PD are here.

1:32:06 Adam Those are my boys. How are you doing, guys? I rolled through a red tonight. I got it. Not a red, just a red arrow. I don't look as a real red. Deanna, you just got to get used to it. Okay. You're not going to change him. It's going to go from really bad to just bad. You understand?

1:32:24 Caller Yeah, thanks.

1:32:24 Adam All right.

1:32:25 Caller Wait, can I say something? Yeah. I just want to say that Poe, you rock.

1:32:28 Ann Danielewski (Poe Thank you so much.

1:32:30 Caller Your lyrics and your music is so intense.

1:32:32 Ann Danielewski (Poe Thank you so much.

1:32:34 Adam Good luck with the scene.

1:32:34 Caller Good luck.

1:32:35 Drew Good time.

1:32:36 Adam All right. Good times. Gwen?

1:32:38 Ann Danielewski (Poe Can I just say if she's not in love and it doesn't last, guys taste really differently. Maybe she's not with the right one.

1:32:43 Adam To love, it tastes different.

1:32:44 Ann Danielewski (Poe To different people, too.

1:32:45 Adam Amen, sister.

1:32:46 Caller Amen.

1:32:51 Ann Danielewski (Poe But it's true.

1:32:52 Adam It's true. It's true.

1:32:54 Caller I had a question for Mark. Yeah.

1:32:56 Caller There he is.

1:32:57 Caller I read House of Leaves.

1:32:58 Caller It's absolutely amazing.

1:32:59 Caller I'm sure a million people have told you tonight.

1:33:02 Caller What I was wondering is there's definitely an autobiographical nature to it. I understand both that and haunted, right? And because it's got this autobiographical nature, Mark, are you planning on writing any other novels? Or is this your one shot about your life?

1:33:18 Caller Well, I wouldn't say-

1:33:20 Ann Danielewski (Poe I think he has nothing left to say.

1:33:21 Caller I wouldn't exactly say it's an autobiography. And I'm absolutely planning to write more books. But since House of Leaves took 10 years, it'll probably take me a few years to come out with another one.

1:33:34 Adam Well, if Mr. Hoity Toity would limit it to under 100 pages, like a good novel, it wouldn't take him that long.

1:33:41 Caller Mr. Hoity Toity.

1:33:42 Adam We got to take ourselves a little break, and we'll be right back.

1:34:27 Caller Hey, everybody.

1:34:29 Adam All right.

1:34:30 Caller Well, we're going to wrap it up.

1:34:34 Adam Say goodbye. We're just having some fun. I want to thank Poe and Mark for coming in here, and just really, just not losing a step on this show.

1:34:44 Drew Does it have to be two years this time?

1:34:46 Ann Danielewski (Poe No, please.

1:34:48 Adam House of Leaves is the name of the book. Great reviews, and go out and get that. Haunted is the name of the CD. That is Poe's latest CD. Go out and get that. Support our friends and artists, and especially when they're doing good work, you know? Like, you're not doing anyone a favor, you're doing yourself a favor. So thanks guys. We do appreciate it.

1:35:07 Ann Danielewski (Poe Thank you.

1:35:08 Adam And until next time, I'm Adam Crowell for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:35:11 Drew You're gay.

1:35:13 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Engel. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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