Episode 1000754886958

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1:08 Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew Loveline.

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1:13 Voiceover Hey, Loveline, I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew over there, telephone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Tonight, we will be dedicating the entirety of the show to today's tragedies over at the World Trade Center and at the Pentagon and over in a field in Pittsburgh. This, by the way, the second time, a plane went straight in in a field outside of Pittsburgh. Remember, the first one was about 94. Remember, they never got to the bottom of it. Just the plane just went straight in. Rural area outside of Pittsburgh.

1:54 Drew I remember the one in Chicago. But this now, they know this one was headed for Camp David.

1:59 Adam No, they don't know it was heading for Camp David.

2:01 Drew They do because the calls they got from the air phones, people calling their families, the hijackers told them that's where they were going.

2:09 Oh, wait a minute, Drew.

2:13 Adam I watched ten different news channels up until the second I left my house at 930. They said it was turning around and it was heading toward Washington. There was speculation earlier that it may have been heading for Camp David. But Camp David is in what city?

2:34 Drew Do you want to help me out, Beth? Yeah, because you heard the same thing I heard, obviously.

2:38 So what I heard was that they had made the hostages call their loved ones and tell them what was going on.

2:44 Drew That they were going to Camp David. I didn't hear anything about Camp David. No, no.

2:47 Adam Drew, really, that sounds-

2:50 Drew The name of the season had been saying that during the day.

2:52 Adam Well, Drew, I think that's pretty erroneous stuff because I watched the news up and listened to on the ride over. I heard there was phone calls, a guy called from a bathroom of a plane that he locked himself in, said he had been hijacked. But I heard no reports of anybody saying they told their families where they were going and there was no Camp David. Camp David came up, but that is all speculation. Apparently, what happened with that last plane is they were turning it around and heading it toward the Capitol. You know, if they got the Pentagon and they got the World Trade Center, they're probably going for the White House or the Capitol Building or something like that. It was. I didn't know that.

3:36 That's the only thing I've heard.

3:37 Adam 767 maybe. That one went straight in, which would suggest to me that either the pilot was able to fight them off and just drive it straight in or that the guy, the terrorist who was planning on flying the plane may not have flown it as well as he planned. I don't know, Drew, so why don't we just go through it? I mean, basically, you guys are hearing all the stories today and all the information and all the, you know, every news group, every radio station, every TV show, every cable outlet is bringing information on this. But we're here to talk about the sort of emotional side of this thing.

4:15 Drew Yeah, just to help people, people just come and talk. We, young people, don't have a real place to talk about this, right?

4:21 Adam Nobody really does. I mean, it's all about the specifics of the event that went on today, but not the emotional repercussions of it. So, Drew, what did you find to take us through your day?

4:33 Drew My day, I was, my phone went off to Kara, my radio. I'm, by the way, suffering from post-traumatic stress. Are you? I'll go through the list of what that is, and I guarantee I have, like, everything on it. Let's just go through what that is, so you can understand why I can barely express myself.

4:48 Adam Well, you ate four pounds worth of buttered butter last night.

4:52 Drew Yes, yes, I did.

4:53 Adam So that's one that checks that off.

4:56 Drew Re-experiencing the events from Vivid Members of Flashback, feeling emotionally numb, which is how I felt all day, feeling overwhelmed by what would be normally considered like everyday situations I try to talk about. Right. Crying uncontrollably, isolating oneself from family and friends.

5:10 Adam Did you cry uncontrollably?

5:12 Drew Not uncontrollably. But you wept. Yeah.

5:14 Adam Yeah, I found myself, I didn't weep, I found myself getting teary during the acts of heroism. Yeah. The part where they were talking about lines going around the block for the Red Cross Centers and people volunteering, this and that, and the firemen going in, that's the part that sort of touched me.

5:34 Drew Here we go. Here is the Marine Corps briefing Washington. Flight 93 was apparently intended for Camp David.

5:40 Adam Yeah, but that was.

5:41 Drew The crash site was 85 miles northwest of Camp David.

5:45 Adam 85 miles?

5:46 Drew Northwest.

5:47 Adam Well then Camp David.

5:47 Drew And heading southeast.

5:49 Adam Camp David's in Pittsburgh?

5:50 Drew It's in Pittsburgh.

5:51 Adam Okay, but here's what I'm saying, Drew.

5:53 Drew Thurmond, Maryland. Thurmond, Maryland.

5:55 Adam That was a 1045 this morning.

5:58 Drew This is the website review of the day.

6:01 Adam Now, I'm telling you, I stared at the news.

6:03 Drew But now you know where I got that from.

6:04 Adam I understand that, but apparently that was just early speculation.

6:09 Drew Relying increasingly on add drugs or alcohol to get through the day.

6:11 Adam And the president. Yeah, I'll get into that. The president wasn't at Camp David.

6:15 Drew Nor was he in the White House.

6:17 Adam I know, but wouldn't they have known he wasn't at Camp David? Or maybe not that far in advance?

6:22 Drew Or maybe they thought that's where they'd evacuate him to or something. Feeling extremely moody, irritable, angry, suspicious, or frightened. Having difficulty falling or staying asleep, sleeping too much, experiencing nightmares. Feeling guilty about surviving the event or being unable to solve the problem, change the event, or prevent the disaster. Feeling fears and sense of doom about the future or experiencing health problems.

6:41 Adam Okay, so this is all part of post-traumatic stress disorder. And so you woke up at what time?

6:48 Drew I woke up at about 6.20 and heard, I think, Ralph break into K-Rock's radio broadcast saying that...

6:53 Adam K-Rock is the mother station out here in Los Angeles.

6:57 Drew And saying, you know, anyone watching on television knows now that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. My wife, who sleeps like she's dead, took this huge gasp and flew out of bed. I mean, before, I just said they're listening with my eyes open, with that, oh my God, how awful. And she was like, whoo, out, and down to the TV, had the kids rounded up, and then we spent the rest of the day trying to keep them from the TV.

7:20 Adam Now, why round up the kids?

7:22 Drew I mean, it's sort of your instinct. It's like during an earthquake, you go get the kids. It's the first thing you do. And they had gotten up earlier because they've just started school, and they were already getting ready.

7:30 Adam What's going on over there at your house? Are people up at four in the morning?

7:33 Drew Six, six. And then I tried to see patients, and I couldn't concentrate. And I had some writing to do. And I had, you know, I went to the hospital and made a, just appeared at my chemical dependency unit just to show people support. And they were trying to process the events. And a lot of them are new people in New York and had friends in the building and whatnot. It was, it was, it was awful.

7:50 Adam You ever been to the World Trade Center?

7:52 Drew Yeah.

7:53 Adam You've been up top at the observation deck?

7:55 Drew No, I don't think I ever have. But I just imagine people having breakfast at Windows of the World, tourists and things. I mean, this is a culmination for some people of their trip.

8:03 Adam I have, I've been up to that observation deck up there on the 110th floor. And you just stand up there. You can't believe that you're that high off the ground. You're not in an airplane or a hot air balloon. Number one, I mean, you can see all of Manhattan. Number two, you just can't believe that that's a manmade structure that you're standing on top of. But it is so large in scale. You know, I think when people who haven't been there see it from a helicopter shot or see it from one of those very distant shots, it's so tall that it almost looks like it's sort of wavy.

8:36 Drew Yeah, yeah.

8:36 Adam Yeah, it doesn't look as substantial as it actually is.

8:39 Drew No, it's massive.

8:40 Adam It is massive.

8:41 Drew And even that downstairs lobby is like a huge, like a giant train station.

8:46 Adam Right. The downstairs of the place is, you know, eight, ten stories before there's a ceiling, just in the lobby. Yeah. I mean, it is as big a structure as humanly made.

8:58 Drew Now imagine you're at the 80th floor and it's on fire and these people are jumping out. I mean, that's just...

9:03 Adam I couldn't, you know, I couldn't watch any of that. I really couldn't. And I could imagine, now see, here's what I was trying to gather. They said that 50,000 people could have been in that building during business hours. And it was 8.45 in the morning or so. So I'm assuming there was quite a few people in that building. Now the plane hits the first building about 8.45 in the morning. The people, Drew, don't get nutty with that. It was 8.41 or something like that. Don't get crazy.

9:32 Drew I just want to see if that's right.

9:33 Adam Okay, go ahead. The point is, is the people in that building and in the tower next to it must have naturally assumed that this was a plane that had some mechanical difficulty or had trouble with their heading or bearing or compass. And this is just a horrible, tragic accident.

9:51 Drew Mistake.

9:52 Adam Right. But you probably would not feel in any way Threatened. And that another plane would hit the thing.

9:58 Drew In fact, you'd feel like, what are the chances of that?

10:01 Yeah.

10:03 Adam I mean, if you were in the other tower in a bedding man.

10:06 Drew You'd stand and look and say, oh, look what's going on across the way.

10:09 Adam I would have absolutely just had my face pressed up against the window staring at the other tower that was next to mine. Now I'm sure that people obviously cleared the tower, those who could cleared the tower, or the one that was hit. But I assume that they would have cleared the tower that was next to it almost immediately as well because of the opportunity of the tower possibly falling over or damaging their tower in some way through an explosion or something like that. I'm hoping that no, but Drew, don't go worst case scenario here with me.

10:44 Drew Larry King interviewed some people on his show tonight who said they were told to stay at work, just they got taken care of.

10:50 Adam So the people in the second tower were told, don't go down, don't go out in the street, you could be hit by debris.

10:58 Drew That's the kind of thing I was hearing.

10:59 Adam Okay, and that makes sense. I mean, you could see them saying, don't rush out into the street.

11:05 Drew We need 20,000 people in the street now, we're trying to fight a fire on the big building here. What if it falls over on them? You know what I mean?

11:11 Adam When they're out on the street.

11:12 Drew Yeah.

11:13 Adam Okay, so that's the part that's very sad to me, which I couldn't really discern through all the news reports and everything today, which was were people clearing out of that second tower or not?

11:24 Drew I don't think so.

11:25 Adam And so the answer may be no. And then the second part is the first one I believe hit higher up. The first one hit higher up and the second one hit a little more toward the center, correct? Both still at least at the upper floors. I was flabbergasted that the thing came down to the ground.

11:44 Drew I was, it killed me. I couldn't believe it.

11:46 Adam I thought the thing was gonna burn up there like a wooden match dick planted in some sand.

11:52 Drew Yeah, towering inferno.

11:52 Adam And it would just burn out.

11:53 Drew Remember that?

11:54 Adam Yeah, that the flames and the fire would head up toward the roof and then it would burn out. I had no idea that the thing would implode that way.

12:02 Drew That was when I went into a state of shock.

12:04 Adam And apparently it was all the hundreds of gallons of jet fuel that were coming down the thing that were catching fire, that were weakening it in the middle of the building. And then once it was weakened in the middle, the top half crushed the bottom half. But you know, diabolical in the plan, by the way. I mean a jet with thousands of gallons of fuel, fully fueled, ready to go across the country. Just amazing. Now I'm wondering, I'm wondering if the people playing the tech even dreamed that the thing would come down completely once it wasn't toppled?

12:46 Drew It's an interesting question, but they claim, I heard again people talking that they sort of studied what they did wrong when they tried to blow up the parking lot to try to get it to collapse.

12:56 Adam Right.

12:57 Drew And that clearly was their goal.

12:58 Adam And what happened structurally when they blew it up in the parking lot was almost nothing obviously compared to this. And even though it was a huge detonation, the building was so sound and so steady.

13:13 Drew So huge.

13:13 Adam That it really was never in any real danger of coming down.

13:17 Drew That's right.

13:18 Adam So I mean I was at the building relatively shortly after it was the detonation of the parking lot went down maybe a year later. Everything was back to normal. It just really wasn't no big thing. But this is absolutely catastrophic.

13:34 Drew And we're going to just begin, we haven't even gotten a measure or even idea went on to the buildings around. I mean think how many other things must have been destroyed.

13:42 Adam Yeah and those buildings which just look like the model buildings you'd have next to your train set compared to the 110 story World Trade Centers were substantial buildings. I mean there was 30, 40, 50 story buildings probably around there that housed thousands and thousands of offices and people. And just to give it some scope, I was I was sort of thinking about that they they think and no one knows but the speculation is maybe 25,000 people die could be as you know high I think 40 would probably be high and 15 would be low.

14:19 Drew I'm hoping for five or six something like that.

14:21 Adam It just it just seems inconceivable that at least 15,000 didn't get it in that but anyway you look at it you know Vietnam had about 56,000 people die so I mean people but by the military operations not necessarily Vietnam but most military operations people are going with the understanding that they could die that's what they're there for. Yeah. These are people going to war but I'm saying innocent just on scope on scope this could theoretically claim half the lives of Vietnam of the entire you know 10 year Vietnam conflict and so it's absolutely absolutely amazing and catastrophic I you know and to think that the that the origin of all these deaths could all be linked back to a two-dollar box cutter type knife that you get at the hardware store or you know sort of a plastic shiv that would be fashioned in some prison house somewhere you know what I mean yeah I was sitting in my living room today and this is why I don't smoke pot anymore I was picturing the ten dollars worth of weapons that were smuggled on to these planes the knives that they said like maybe a box cutter or carpet cutter type knife that these two and three dollar items were linked to 15,000 20,000 deaths and that it did, that that's what killed this many people, not even one bullet fired.

15:53 Drew Do you know what they do on LL, the Israeli airline?

15:56 Adam No, a strip search and they handcuff you to the seat.

16:00 Drew Plane clothes air marshals in with the passengers on every flight, every flight.

16:05 Adam Right. Well, that's what we got to have. That may start here.

16:09 Drew I only feel good about flying until that happens.

16:11 Adam Well, I'll feel good about flying when they start serving booze before the plane takes off in first class, not until after we're in the air. That's when I'm going to feel better about flying.

16:20 Drew So really tonight we just want to be available and let's see what people want to talk about.

16:23 Adam Yeah.

16:24 Drew Sort of process some of this. And if you have post-traumatic stress symptoms, we have helplines and we have the numbers you can call if you need American Airlines information, United Airlines information.

16:33 Adam Yeah.

16:34 Drew Everyone have O blood, type O blood. They are accepting only type O blood now, so go give it.

16:40 Adam Why? Is that what they have the shortage of?

16:42 Drew Use the universal donor, so just give it using that.

16:45 Adam That's the most popular?

16:46 Drew Yes, the most popular blood type this evening, yes.

16:48 Adam Well, what do you mean the universal donor?

16:50 Drew You don't have to match it. You don't have to match the blood.

16:52 Adam Type O, you don't have to match. You know, I did call the Red Cross today to try to give some blood, and I got the busy signal about four times in a row, and then I went to go work on my car. But at least I tried.

17:05 Drew How did you get hold of Daniel? You have a friend that lives near the tower.

17:10 Adam Yeah, one of my best friends lives right near the tower, and his wife, also a good friend of mine, had a lunch date at the tower today, at noon.

17:23 Drew Oh my God.

17:24 Adam Just freaky, huh, everybody?

17:26 Drew Was he flipped out?

17:29 Adam No, he seemed to be all right.

17:30 Drew Was he drunk?

17:31 Adam He was pretty high.

17:32 Drew Okay.

17:32 Adam Yeah, we all cope in our own way. Let me ask you one quick question, and maybe someone can give me this answer, or maybe Drew can. When I was trying to call the Red Cross, and it was like 1-800 or 1-888-Give-Life, and I was dialing the number and it was busy.

17:49 Drew 1-800-Give-Life, yeah.

17:50 Adam Yeah, and I dialed it a couple of times, and it was busy a few times. I figured, well, they got a lot of phone calls. But then I started thinking, wait a minute, Give-Life? Isn't that eight?

18:00 Drew Yeah. You just don't worry about that last E.

18:03 Adam You mean, but I dialed it anyway.

18:04 Drew Yeah, you dial it anyway, just to remember the number.

18:07 Adam Oh, I see. But you shouldn't dial it.

18:09 Drew Don't have to dial it.

18:10 Adam Yeah, I started freaking out. I thought, well, I'm dialing eight numbers.

18:13 Drew It's not going to work. Let's give LIF.

18:15 Adam Let's give LIF. 1-800-GIVE-LIF. Robbie?

18:19 Drew Robbie?

18:19 Yes.

18:20 Drew Hey, what's going on? 16, Maryland.

18:22 Yeah, I'm just getting over an anxiety attack. And my grandfather called me not too long ago, telling me that my uncle, who lives in New York, was injured during the World Trade Center thing. He wasn't too specific, he was in a panic, and he didn't really give me that much information other than the fact that my uncle was injured. And, you know, just getting over an anxiety attack, I don't think this is too good.

18:48 Drew So you have a history of anxiety attacks? Or this is your first one?

18:52 This is my first one.

18:53 Drew Okay.

18:54 Adam Well, wait a minute. You're saying just getting over it. You were having an anxiety attack?

18:59 Drew Watching the TV broadcast?

19:02 No. Two days ago, I just sort of snapped. And I just sort of shut myself up in my room and locked the door. And I didn't want to talk to anyone. And my mom took me to my psychiatrist. My psychiatrist told me I was having an anxiety attack.

19:17 Drew Okay. So you're already having problems. And then this sort of just accelerated all that.

19:22 Yes, sir.

19:23 Adam Yeah. Why didn't your mom want to intercept that phone call coming from grandpa?

19:28 My mom wasn't home at the time.

19:29 Adam Oh, I see. So he had no details? Just telling you?

19:34 He was panicking. My uncle was his oldest son. And he was panicking. And he didn't really.

19:40 Drew Did he have any details? Can you call him back?

19:42 Adam How did he know he was injured? But no details.

19:46 I don't know. My grandfather was the one who got the call.

19:50 Adam And well, have you called him back since?

19:53 I can't get through.

19:54 Adam Oh, boy. All right. Yeah. Well, I mean, just I mean, I assume he's alive or he wouldn't have gotten a report saying he was injured.

20:04 All right. But I was just saying is I'm I'm wearing over like what his condition is. Is he seriously injured?

20:10 Is he injured?

20:11 Drew Would you have friends or would you keep around you right now?

20:14 Yeah, I have one. I have one friend. I've been trying to call him all night, but I can't. Yeah, hopefully he's listening now and he'll get off the web.

20:21 Drew But he's busy chatting on the web. All right. Well, listen, Rob, you sound OK. Keep people around you. My prayers go out for your uncle. It sounds pretty good to us because, you know, the hospital reports were that people that were getting there, mostly smoke inhalation, that kind of thing. That you either were sort of OK or it's game over.

20:43 Adam Yes. Yes. It seemed to me like it was that sort of like what happens in a plane crash. Either you're OK or you're dust. But it seemed like, yeah, most people were being treated for smoke inhalation. Sierra?

20:59 Hello.

21:00 Adam Hey.

21:00 Hi. How are you doing?

21:02 Adam Good. You're 22. What's up?

21:04 Caller Yeah. I've just been living in the country for about two, three months now and I don't know.

21:11 Adam Oh, living in this country?

21:12 Caller Yes. Living in this country.

21:14 Drew From?

21:14 Caller New Zealand.

21:15 Drew New Zealand, all right.

21:17 Caller Okay. And I'm feeling quite a bit like Dr. Drew today. Numb. Yeah. Completely numb. But I don't know, if you'd asked me a week ago, you know what I thought of the country, I would have said, you know, there's so much infighting, you know, and there's so much crap going on in this country right now, blah, blah, blah. But I've never seen in one day an entire nation pull together. Like, I'm in complete awe. I come from a country of three million people. And three hundred million people, you know, have not managed to just...

21:45 Drew It's an interesting quality this country has always had. It's been its history really forever. Yeah. In fact, what you probably haven't heard, Sierra, is that people in this country will say things like, what we need is a good enemy to pull us together. You'll hear that in this country of people. You need a common... Somebody to, you know, take our attention off our own crap and focus it externally and hear, boy, we got it now.

22:06 Adam Yeah, I was amazed and touched and it was the, you know, the one good thing that happened today is people really seem to band together. And, you know, here's the thing about the United States and I'd say people in general, they're pretty good. I think they get... I think we get a bad shake. I think all human beings get a bad shake. But when the chips are down, 99% of people are really good. They really are. You hear about the 1% that's evil. But more than 99% of them are just decent people who care about other people. And when something like this happens, they risk life and limb trying to save strangers.

22:46 Drew That's what's killing me is all the firefighters and policemen that went in there.

22:49 Adam Yeah.

22:49 Drew That is just an awful piece of the story.

22:51 Adam Yeah. But I was really touched by, you know, the overcrowding at the Red Cross centers and people's just sort of general ability to pull it together. And I know there's been a lot of criticism lately of this country and this generation. And what if we had to fight another war? I don't think we could today with the attitude of the young people in this country and so on and so forth, the complacency. But I think we can rally. I really do.

23:20 Drew This is an interesting call. No, I want to take this call before just because it's pertinent to what we're saying here.

23:24 Adam All right.

23:24 Drew Gary, Ohio, 18.

23:26 Adam Yeah.

23:27 Drew Gary?

23:28 Yeah.

23:28 Adam Hey, you're 18. What's up?

23:30 Caller My question is about what's all been going on today. Yeah. When I woke up this morning, I seen that this morning and I'm listening to the Army.

23:43 Drew You watched the television and you ran out and enlisted?

23:46 Caller Yeah. I had a girl or I had a staff sergeant come to my house.

23:51 Drew Wow.

23:51 Caller And he, I listened in the Army.

23:54 Drew Was he busy today? Was he running around doing that?

23:56 Caller He was running and doing that.

23:58 Drew So this was not an unusual reaction.

24:00 Adam Let's see. Wait a minute. How does that work? Like the ice cream truck, but he drives a tank and goes up and down the street, ringing a bell. He come over to the house? Yeah. Wow.

24:10 Drew Yeah, they do.

24:10 Adam I don't want to say it, but I joined the Coast Guard today, Drew. This is my last night. Enjoy.

24:16 Caller And I want to know if that's a good thing to do. I mean, if it was a good thing.

24:21 Adam I would say, Gary, that it's a big decision and it's not the kind of thing you want to make because you got fired up watching CNN this morning. But on the other hand, if you're 18 and you got nothing to do, why not? You didn't drop out of Harvard, did you?

24:38 Caller No.

24:38 Drew I can imagine that Impulse at 18 being very strong, especially if you really felt the threat.

24:44 Adam I'm all about it.

24:45 Drew And I'll tell you what, if you had family in that building, what would stop you? You know what I'm saying?

24:50 Adam Right.

24:50 Drew That's what you go do.

24:52 Adam You know what I was thinking? We got to take a break. But I was thinking, Oh, Christ, now we're going to go over there. And we're going to bomb Iraq or drop something in Saudi Arabia or do something to Iran or go find Bin Laden or something like that. And I thought, gee, that'll feel good. And then it's going to feel real bad getting on an airplane for the rest of my life. You know what I mean? Because you figure, all right, they will then come back. They will forget how it started. Here's my strategy. Here's what I'd like to say to all these terrorist nations. All right, look, you killed a whole bunch of people. You blew up the World Trade Center.

25:32 Drew You happy now?

25:33 Adam Look, we could blow up your country. We're not going to do it. But let's put an end to this. I don't think they'd listen. I don't think the American public would enjoy that. I just fear we're going to retaliate and they're going to forget how this thing ever got started and they're going to want to retaliate against our retaliation. And I don't think, and I don't want to freak everybody out, but if you have people that are sort of, don't care much about their own lives and there's technology in place today that can aid mass destruction, I really don't see how. And we live in a country with fairly open borders where we will not segregate, discriminate, or do any of that. We're not going to do any Japanese internment camps of the 40s. I don't know what we can do about it. I just don't know. Today, I don't know what we could have done about it if someone would have told us, hey, sometime in the next three weeks, this is going to happen. And what are you supposed to do, by the way, when you're the White House of the Pentagon and there's a United States of America passenger jumbo jet that is straight out of its airspace? Put a missile, put a sidewinder into it? You would assume, you don't know. You would assume the guy's having some mechanical troubles. I mean, you got about ten seconds to make a decision. And I don't know who's going to push that button and send that plane into the ground. Okay. We'll take a break. We'll be back with more of your comments, questions and feelings about the tragic events of today. Love Line.

27:08 Caller 1-800-Love-191.

27:10 Adam We'll be right back. Hey, it's the Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Drew, phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Uh, we got to talk, uh, we're talking tonight about, uh, the tragedies, the, uh, terrorist tragedies, attacks on the United States that went down today. And that's basically what we're dedicating to tonight, tonight's show, to, uh, your feelings about that. And, you know, as I said at the beginning of the show, we've all been tuned in to the news sources today and getting lots of facts and tidbits and bites and information, but we haven't heard anyone talking about their feelings. And that's kind of what this show is about. So that's what we're doing tonight. I was hearing a lot of speculation out here in Los Angeles. They shut down the airport and they had everyone on tactical alert. And there was some speculation that there might be something going down in Los Angeles because I guess all four of the planes were heading toward Los Angeles. Was it three out of four? No? The fourth was going to Frisco, but Southern California. And I never thought there was going to be a problem. I assumed that the reason they targeted those planes is because they were coming from the East Coast.

28:48 Drew And with all the fuel, yeah.

28:50 Adam Full of fuel.

28:50 Drew If something happened out here, people are like, ah, fah.

28:54 Adam Number two, I don't think the terrorist nations look at Los Angeles as part of the United States. That's really what I realized.

29:02 Drew That's right.

29:02 Adam Anyone who's ever been in Los Angeles, go downtown and walk around. You don't know where the hell you are.

29:08 Drew That's right.

29:09 Adam You really think you may be in Ecuador or Bangkok or Vietnam. You would not think you're in part of the United States. So I think for a terrorist organization to target Los Angeles would be redundant. Listen, they might as well just pick some place on the map and drop a bomb on it. They'd kill more Americans.

29:28 Drew Multi-ethnic, multiculturalism has become our greatest defense right here in Los Angeles.

29:31 Adam That's right. You can't kill us, we're you.

29:33 Drew That's right.

29:36 Adam All right. So that's one thought I had. And also I figured, look, these people are not going to pull off a big thing, put everyone on tactical alert, get everyone into the ready, the battle positions, and then do something five hours later. The whole thing is, it's surprise. I mean, the number one thing terrorists have working for them is surprise. And I don't think that they're so stupid as to try to pull something off when everybody is, you know, at the battle stations.

30:05 Drew I still have lingering concerns about biological warfare. Because they could do something weird just to show that they could do it, even in tactical alert time.

30:13 Adam But here's the thing. As I said, I really think the number one thing that the terrorists have is element of surprise and panic and that kind of thing. And they want to strike when waters are at their comets. And I don't think for this reason, now I know everyone's worried about further terrorist attacks in the next upcoming days, hours, and weeks. To me, this is the least probable time it would happen. They'll do it a few years from now when the airport security has become lax again.

30:45 Drew Unless, again, they just want to show that they can. Just throw a few more suicides at this.

30:51 Adam But it's bang for their buck. They're not going to get as many.

30:54 Drew That's right.

30:56 Adam Hey, looks like Darren, the wayward drummer for Goldfinger is on the line. Oh, Christ. I got a piece of paper sitting at home on my desk. It says, call Darren from Goldfinger. He called me like three weeks ago.

31:09 Drew No, you don't have to.

31:10 Adam He told me to get his wife a job somewhere, and I haven't called him back yet. Darren?

31:14 Caller Hey, Adam.

31:15 Adam Hey, Darren.

31:16 Caller Yeah, my wife wants to go into prostitution, but I'm not sure about that yet.

31:20 Adam Go into? How about get out of? Put the boom, put the boom.

31:23 Caller Anderson?

31:24 Adam Did, yeah, Anderson, come on, give me the high hat.

31:27 Caller Thank you.

31:29 Adam Did your wife find a gig?

31:30 Caller No, she's still looking for a job.

31:31 Adam You know, the man shows in hiatus, so I didn't have anywhere to send her, but I'm sorry, buddy. I know I owed you a call.

31:39 Caller It's all good. It's all good. You're busy.

31:41 Adam Yeah, I was, but I was going to call you back.

31:43 Drew Hey, Darren, what did you call about?

31:44 Caller Well, first of all, I wanted to say I'm just upset and angry about what happened, and I want to give my condolences to the families, the victims, and my prayers are with them. All day long, I've been praying about it. I think I have a solution, maybe a partial solution, an idea. I think maybe people in the higher-ups, especially people in the FAA, could run with this. They could make a plane or take all the planes that are America and gut them and make the cockpit door like a vault. And once the plane takes off, it is not opening until it lands. Now make it like thick steel and it will just not open.

32:20 Drew Yeah, they could still set up a bomb or something, but yeah, that would be wonderful.

32:23 Caller I thought of that. Say it's taken off and the thing is shot, it's got its own air system, its own, it's airtight. A high-decker grabs the stewardess and gets on the phone and says, Hey, pilot, I got this, do this, and I'm going to split or throw it and shoot everybody once a minute until you turn the plane around and land it in Cuba or throw it into the Empire State Building or land in downtown LA. The pilot's protocol should be, go ahead and try to land the plane as soon as possible.

32:46 Adam Yeah. Well, it's funny, I wrote-

32:48 Caller That way the plane doesn't become a weapon.

32:50 Adam I wrote on my little scratch pad here- Locked door to cabin. Locked cabin door.

32:55 Caller But those things are like bathroom doors. You can kick them in with your feet.

32:58 Adam Yeah, I know. I didn't mean put a little barrel bolt that your grandma's bathroom has on it, but I agree. I don't think you have to make the thing like a vault. You just have to make a good, sturdy, metal door that remains locked at all times.

33:12 Caller Locked to the point where even if they had a high-powered automatic weapon or a big crowbar.

33:18 Adam But Darren, here's the problem. If they got an automatic weapon on board, there's a tragedy.

33:26 Drew And they can blow something up too and the plane's going down.

33:29 Caller I agree. They can shoot the passengers or shoot the crew.

33:31 Drew But it's not a weapon.

33:33 Caller It takes the weapon on board. That's all they did today. They used the planes as a weapon.

33:39 Adam Right. And this is going to help make your cab and door argument. All they had was utility knives or some kind of crudely fashioned knife. I mean, not much more than maybe if you took a letter opener and sharpened it up on a stone kind of thing.

33:58 Caller I heard they had X-ACTO knives, too, which is ridiculous.

34:01 Adam Right, yeah.

34:02 Caller I mean, you can buy this stuff at like a craft store.

34:04 Adam Yeah, they call them box cutters. And I mean, that's some speculation. I guess maybe the person had called in from the cell phone.

34:12 Caller Maybe only saw that.

34:13 Adam And by the way...

34:14 Caller Do you think people would jump them?

34:15 Adam You know, they don't let... You'd think so, but people are caught off guard.

34:20 Drew And these may have been trained military guys.

34:23 Adam And by the way, I don't want to be morbid here, but they tell you not to use the cell phones because it may affect the plane. I don't know if that had anything to do with the crash. I'm assuming it's okay to use the phone.

34:33 Drew Maybe that's what brought the one down in Pittsburgh.

34:34 Adam I'm sure they want you to use the cell phone in that case.

34:37 Caller I think what happened in Pittsburgh is the pilot said, enough's enough. I'm not going to be involved in this and just took it down.

34:41 Drew Yeah, and it's an interesting point. Maybe it was airplane turbulence that really...

34:45 Adam Yes, and we all know how dangerous that can be. I'll tell you, I was thinking about Pittsburgh, and I was just... They have cockpit voice recorders.

34:58 Drew Yeah, they're trying to get that in Pittsburgh.

34:59 Adam I believe. When they get that in Pittsburgh, they're going to find out whether this guy crashed a plane or whether the guy couldn't fly the plane or...

35:08 Drew Some sort of flight ensued.

35:10 Adam Yeah, but anyway, Darren, did you have any friends or relatives out?

35:15 Caller Yeah, I did actually. I made all my phone calls today, and everybody's safe and accounted for.

35:20 Adam Good.

35:20 Caller So everything is good. All my relatives and family and friends are all...

35:24 Adam Good.

35:24 Drew Well, Darren, thanks for calling. We're going to get some more calls.

35:26 Adam Did your wife find a job, though? Seriously.

35:28 Caller No, no, not yet.

35:29 Adam All right. I'll call you then.

35:31 Caller All right, Adam.

35:31 Adam All right, Darren, take care. Take care.

35:33 Drew Geez, I have just got the worst PTSD. I'm like...

35:36 Adam Really?

35:36 Drew Anxious and numb and...

35:38 Adam But you're kind of prone to that, right?

35:40 Drew Yeah.

35:41 Adam Yeah, why is that?

35:43 Drew I'm an anxious person, but I'm like... I can't screen things out. It just gets in.

35:48 Adam Do you feel responsible for a lot of stuff? Well, maybe not responsible, but...

35:52 Drew Affected by.

35:54 Adam Yeah, like when Drew and I go do one of these college tours or something, and we talk to 3,000 people at some college venue, and one person comes up to us after the show and says how much they hate Dr. Drew.

36:09 Drew Wouldn't the world be better off without you guys?

36:10 Adam That's right, that's right, right. Some fat Lesbo bitch who's hopped up on Nyquil comes up in critiques, Drew, after the show. Drew's ruined from that point on. Dinner's ruined, the flight home the next day is ruined. Everything's ruined because of this one crazy broad. Yeah, see, Drew, you can't go through life that way. Crowe?

36:29 Yep.

36:30 Adam You're 17?

36:31 Caller Yes, sir.

36:31 Adam What's up?

36:33 Caller First of all, I just wanted to commend you guys for your service to teenagers during this heinous act that has been enacted by whoever did this.

36:39 Adam Well, thanks. It's our job.

36:41 Caller Yes. Well, first of all, I'd like to say that I do have anarchist views, but first and foremost, I am a human, and this tragedy has affected too many people. I mean, not just the people who were killed. I mean, they're estimating along the lines of 15,000 to 25,000 people that have died.

36:58 Drew Is that what they're doing now?

36:59 Caller Yeah, I just got the news, and they're estimating about that much.

37:03 Drew Those are numbers I can't even, like, grapple with.

37:05 Adam I mean, it's really hard, though, because, you know, I hear there's 300 firefighters missing, and then I switch the channel, and there's 400 firefighters missing. Either way, there's tragedy. I don't know if we can speculate numbers-wise, but I would say between 10 and 25 at this point.

37:23 Caller Guaranteed. And your theory about the black box, they're suspecting that the hijackers have ripped out the, basically, power cables to those, which in turn disable those. So if that's happened, we won't know.

37:36 Adam Why are they suspecting that?

37:38 Caller They, something about the transponders being deactivated.

37:43 Drew So they can't find the black box?

37:45 Adam Well, I mean, you know, the Jesus Christ, I'll tell you, if they find the one that went in, or the two that went into the World Trade Center, you know, blew up amongst the thousands of gallons of jet fuel and then fell a few thousand feet to the ground and were buried in 70 feet of rubble. If I was to manufacture that black box, I don't care, that would be my angle, advertising wise. I mean, I would have a World Trade Center on the roof, you know, not full size, on the roof of my building. I know it sounds morbid, but I would really be proud of that. The one in Pittsburgh, it seems like they're probably gonna have the best chance of finding.

38:25 Caller Yeah, because they believe the black box is only like said to withstand about a certain amount of heat. They said that the ones at the World Trade Center exceeded that.

38:32 Adam Yeah, they're not indestructible. They're just very well built. Right, right. And so I'm sure they're looking right now for the one in Pittsburgh.

38:42 Caller Yeah.

38:42 Adam But anyway, listen, you know, if this works, I mean, if this creates heightened awareness and heightened security and ultimately saves lives, you know, down the road in the future, then the people that died did not die in vain.

39:01 Drew I can't even go there because how are you going to recoup 25,000 lives? It's going to take a lot of years of safety.

39:08 Adam Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not, you know, not saying it's a good thing.

39:12 Drew I'm just saying that I can't even spin it positive. In fact, I get I'm sorry to pick on you, but I get angry when I have people out there spinning it positive, even the press.

39:21 Adam It's like, who spins it positive?

39:23 Drew There's a lot of people going, you know, and now we're going to tighten down and now we're going to do this and we're going to do that. I'm like, hey, Jack Holes, why did this happen in the first place? People have been talking about this for years. Let's take a little responsibility for not having acted quicker on this and this is just an awful, inexplicable catastrophe. Shouldn't have happened and take some blame for it and god damn it, it's not going to happen again.

39:45 Adam Well I'll tell you, the scenario of using the airplane as a missile, which all seems incredibly obvious to everyone in the world at this point, and did not apparently seem that obvious to everybody at the time.

39:59 Drew Novels were written about it. Clancy novels were written about this terrorist act. This one. Planes and running them into things. I mean these were the plans of terrorists.

40:11 Adam Your everyday citizen was worried more about anthrax in the subway.

40:16 Drew That's true.

40:16 Adam And the folks that are in charge of this kind of thing did not seem to put a whole lot of stock in this either.

40:24 Drew That's the problem.

40:25 Adam And the fact that no, you couldn't get a gun into a plane, most likely, but I bet you I could get a fishing knife onto a plane.

40:34 Drew Yeah. I'm too angry to... Let's take a little accountability on this, too. Let's have a little remorse for not having been a little more on top of this, too.

40:41 Adam Absolutely. All right. We're going to take a break. We're talking about the tragedies that went down today, and we're talking to you and your feelings about it. We'll talk more after this.

40:55 Uh, back in a minute.

41:27 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That is Dr. Drew over there. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. We're taking calls about the event. I just belched up my coffee.

41:42 Drew Nice.

41:43 Adam Don't worry. No farting tonight.

41:45 Drew I noticed. I didn't want to remind you what last night was like. Speaking of tragedies, that was a comp. I should have known something was going to happen today.

41:53 Adam I didn't beat off today, by the way. Wow.

41:55 Drew That really affected you.

41:56 Adam Yeah. Now I got post-traumatic stress disorder.

41:59 Drew I thought you started doing it more.

42:00 Adam Not from the offense, from not beating off.

42:03 Drew You're kind of irritable.

42:03 Adam Yeah. I'm on edge. All right. So we're taking your calls tonight about your feelings about what went on today and how it affected you or maybe people you know. You heard all day in all the news agencies talking about all the information and statistics and things like that. We're here to talk about feelings. Ed?

42:25 Yeah.

42:25 Adam You're 15. What's up?

42:26 Yeah. Dr. Drew, you were talking about like that post-traumatic stress stuff.

42:31 Drew Yeah.

42:32 And like, well, I've been feeling numb and I've been shaking.

42:35 Drew Yeah. That's what that is.

42:36 Okay. Well, I mean, I was just experiencing that, but I thought I was just kind of cold in my room.

42:41 Drew No.

42:43 I'm wrapped up in like four blankets right now.

42:45 Drew Yeah. It could be the pneumonia you're coming down with. But no, there's absolutely a syndrome of post-traumatic stress, and it's your body kind of shutting down and disconnecting from the feelings that are really overwhelming and frightening. And one of the best ways to combat that is to sit and talk about it with people that you care about. And that's sort of what we're trying to do here tonight, just be available to people.

43:03 Yeah. Well, I'm pretty much heading up like my high school because like a bunch of people have parents and people trapped up in New York. And so I've been calling like all my friends, like getting a list going of, you know, who needs to get up there. Because we have like three or four carloads now.

43:23 Drew Going to New York.

43:24 Going to New York tomorrow.

43:25 Drew You can't really get in there very well though, can you? Not in Manhattan anyway.

43:28 No. Well, but I mean, they're setting up morgues and stuff. And I mean, I have, I was talking to one of my friends for like half an hour and she couldn't speak like a word like the whole time. She was just crying.

43:41 Drew Because somebody she knew was up there?

43:43 Her mom was up there.

43:44 Drew In the building?

43:45 Yeah. She know her mom was in the building like then. And she hasn't gotten any word.

43:51 Adam Does she know which building the first hit or the second hit?

43:55 The first one. The first one.

43:57 Adam The first hit.

43:58 Drew First one people got out of. A lot of people got out of that.

44:00 Adam Well, the thing is, the first hit, the good news about the first hit is A, it was very high up, probably 80s, in the 80s. So if you're below the 80s, you may have been okay. And two, people should have immediately been evacuated from that building.

44:22 Yeah, and I have like other people like, one of my friends, her cousin, was up on the 104th floor of the first building. And he actually called his family and said, I'm not making it out of here. And then the line went dead and they saw it crumble down to the ground.

44:41 Drew Oh my God.

44:43 Adam He called, Drew, it took him a while to punch a mic that night, by the way. He called from a line that was working in the building.

44:52 Caller He had like a satellite phone.

44:54 Adam Oh my God. Oh my God. So this thing hit underneath him.

44:59 Caller Yeah.

44:59 Adam In the first building.

45:01 Drew Those are the people jumping out of the window.

45:02 Caller What I've had to deal with today is like way beyond.

45:06 Drew Where are you? What part of Maryland are you in?

45:09 Caller In Crofton, Maryland. I'm like 15 minutes from Washington and Annapolis.

45:13 Drew What the hell is everyone doing up in New York? Why are all their parents up there?

45:17 Caller Because like, I don't know, it's just me and my friends, we all have parents that kind of work the same places and stuff.

45:23 Drew But they commute to New York every day?

45:26 Caller No, no. It's just like there was a bunch of them up there on a trip for some meeting.

45:31 Drew Oh my God.

45:32 Adam Well.

45:32 Drew Oh, I'm so sorry.

45:33 Caller And don't even get me started about the Pentagon because I have so many people, like I had friends who drove down to Washington just to give people rides back from the Pentagon.

45:44 Adam Well, yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize is that the Pentagon, people think of the admirals and four-star generals there, but that place has 10,000 people working there.

45:56 Drew People working there, secretaries and clerical people.

45:59 Adam I mean, just sort of in a way like Oklahoma. You think you're killing a bunch of IRS agents, and you're really killing a bunch of daycare workers and secretaries. That's 99 percent of the people that inhabit those buildings. Thank God. Today was the only day I thought, thank God the Corollas are losers. One time my folks strayed out of North Hollywood into Van Nuys, but they came right back.

46:24 Drew Running back.

46:25 Adam I don't have to worry. I didn't even talk to any of them today. I know exactly where they are. They're sitting in their crappy homes in North Hollywood.

46:31 Drew Oh my God.

46:32 Adam World Trade Center. I don't think my dad's been in a two-story building before. All right. We're going to take ourselves a break. Good luck, Ed. Really, get the help that you need, please.

46:45 Drew And for your friends more important.

46:46 Adam Absolutely. We'll be back.

46:49 Caller All right, guys.

46:50 Caller Here's the deal.

46:51 Caller You're looking to hook up, sick of wasting time with the wrong person.

46:54 Caller One call is all you need to make.

46:55 Drew Call the Dateline.

46:56 Caller 877-889-DATE.

47:41 Adam Hey, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. We're talking, of course, tonight about today's tragic events, and we've dedicated the show tonight to that topic. So, as I've stated before, we've all been watching the news and hearing about the death toll and speculation and black boxes and terrorists and jet fuel and all that. But we're talking about the more emotional side of it, the human side of it, and how it affected you. Jesse?

48:15 Hi.

48:16 Adam You're 12. What's up?

48:17 Caller Hey, how you doing?

48:18 Adam Good.

48:19 Drew Hi, Jesse.

48:19 Adam Well, you know, that's the other thing. One of the things I noticed today, you never notice how often somebody says, how you doing, and you go good, and then you stop and you think, oh, I'm not doing that good.

48:28 Drew No, I'm barely hanging in.

48:29 Adam Then you say, should I correct it, or should I just let the guy go get me the crap behind the counter and get on my way?

48:35 Caller Okay, well, this morning, every morning, I listen to Kevin B and every night I listen to you guys. And this morning, I turned it on, and it just came on to the station. They said something about an airplane hitting a building, so I turned on the news. I found out what happened, and I listened to the rest of the morning. I was in the car going to school, and I was thinking about what it means for all these people to die. And I was like, astounded. And then I get to school, and I was like, whoa, do you hear how cool that is, man?

49:05 Drew How cool?

49:06 Caller Yeah, but they're not thinking about how the people died. And I was like, it's really not all that cool. And I was thinking, we're really not as impenetrable as we thought we were. And it's just, I thought, are they going to rebuild the Twin Towers? Could they start like another world war? You know, because of all, like how we think it was the Arabians or something?

49:29 Drew Well, there's probably going to, we're effectively at war now, Jesse. I mean, that's the reality. And whether or not it's going to be what you imagine a world war, I don't think so, do you? I mean, who knows?

49:41 Adam No, no.

49:42 Drew I mean, people aren't going to take that kind of risk right now.

49:45 Adam Well, they also, whatever countries that are on our short list of retribution, do not have the facilities to have a world war with us. The question is, is how much and how long and where do we want to do the damage? Not whether they're going to bring it over here or whether we're going to have to, you know, recruit young people to go in and fight this war. I mean, it's going to be, you know, pretty surgical and painless to us, that is, not to whoever gets, you know, whoever's on the other end of those bunker busters that we send out from our F-14s. It's not going to be in great shape.

50:26 Drew And the rebuilding of the towers, it's going to be a long time before that area is rebuilt.

50:31 Adam You wonder, you wonder, too, whether they will memorialize it. I assume they will. On the other hand, and thanks for the call, Jesse, on the other hand, you know, part of this country, and one thing that makes this country great is we, we dust ourselves off, we get back up on our feet, and building two more would really be a statement to the world that you can't knock us down. On the other hand, I really wonder.

51:04 Drew Do we really want to put those targets up again?

51:08 Adam On the other hand, real estate being the way it is in that part of the country, that part of the world, can you afford to take 25 city blocks and make a park out of it right there?

51:18 Drew No, but maybe they could build something else and incorporate some memorial and something that says something but isn't a target.

51:25 Adam You know, as far as the kids, and I understand where they're coming from.

51:31 Drew You mean the kids thinking it's cool?

51:33 Adam Yeah, because it was done, it was such a spectacular event.

51:38 Drew I mean, Anderson and I were watching it with a tape for the millionth time, and he goes, oh yeah, that's CGI. I mean, a computer-generated group. Right. Well, we're used to seeing that on film.

51:48 Adam It's the only reference point your mind has is 4th of July, or whatever, Independence Day, things like this. I mean, the only representation of that kind of destruction we've seen is human beings who did not fight in World War II is film. And that looked to me is, I mean, it was, you know, fireball and Jesus Christ, a fully loaded, you know, jumbo jet heading right in the side of the World Trade Center. I mean, it looked like Hollywood.

52:24 Drew And then the whole thing going down. It's like, how can this happen?

52:29 Adam I know, you know, and it makes me think how many times and how many recent movies that building has come down. And I believe there was a Meteor movie, the Hill movie was that Armageddon and 4th of July, I mean Independence Day. And then there was the, what was the other one? Oh, Conair. Conair? Conair, that building went down? All right. Okay Anderson, quiet down over there with Conair. The great gas man.

52:58 Drew But you asked me about the kids thing at school.

53:00 Adam The great Waldo Pepper.

53:01 Drew My kids, I think, don't want to deal with it. They don't want to distance themselves. It's too overwhelming, too scary. My kids, I went to the school to pick them up today, you know, just sort of tell them to go and talk to their teachers and stuff. My boys wanted to go to this sort of afternoon camp they go to sometimes. They're like, what are you doing here? Get away. We're going to camp. Go away. Go to camp.

53:20 Adam I don't think eight-year-old kids can process this.

53:23 Drew When they do, they get upset and then they go away from it.

53:26 Adam Right. I think for young kids, that this kind of, on the other side of the country at least, catastrophic stuff is better than the one serial killer that's on the loose in their area.

53:43 Drew It could be.

53:44 Adam In terms of freaking them out. Because they don't understand the numbers game.

53:48 Drew Right.

53:49 Adam Okay. Let's go to Steve as 44. Steve?

53:54 Hey Adam. Hey Dr. Drew. Steve. One thing that kind of struck me, I was really angry this morning and I ended up donating some blood at Children's Hospital and then this afternoon I was just really depressed. But one thing that struck me is how originally they were showing the Palestinians dancing in the streets when they found out about this and then it seemed the networks completely put a lid on that afterwards.

54:19 Adam Yeah.

54:19 This was so outraged and just amazed. I mean it really brought home just how, I mean clear to anybody as any question in the United States that there's people out there who have evil intent and you know, at us in general.

54:33 Adam Yeah. You know, I feel the same way you do. Of course I feel outraged and nobody hates other races more than me. But you got to realize that was such a small percentage of that population.

54:48 Drew I think that's what they wanted to avoid was the idea that that represented the Palestinian response.

54:52 Adam And you know, Yasser Arafat got out there and condemned it for what that was worth. But I think that what the news agencies did is they jumped on that originally and early and then realized it was a little bit irresponsible in the sense that you're talking about literally a few dozen people, a few hundred people in the nation of millions, that were representing that nation and that the majority of those people in that part of the world did not feel this way.

55:23 Drew We hope. We don't know that.

55:24 Adam We hope.

55:25 Drew I would assume.

55:25 Adam I can safely say the majority of people in the world are family sort of decent people. They certainly have a higher percentage in that part of the world. And if you really think about it, if you're just talking about one tenth of one percent of the population, you got a serious problem. And it still leaves over 99% of that region is good, decent, hardworking people. So it's tough. And when it comes to, you know, retaliation, how do you leave that 99.9% out of it?

56:01 I thought it was also interesting in Bush's discussion how he went from saying, we're just going to go after the terrorists, but also those companies, those countries that harbored the terrorists.

56:10 Drew I think that's the key. Dianne Feinstein really articulated that repeatedly and clearly as the new policy.

56:16 Adam Feinstein, by the way. Feinstein. And I do, you know, I think that was him basically saying, look, we're going to take out a few targets here, and it's not just going to be Bin Laden's place. We're going to take out a few places, and it's game on. To me, I read that to him. I read that as him saying, when you come back and ask me why we hit these targets a week from now, I'm going to say refer to the footage where I said the countries that harbor them are enemy, enemy number one, too. All right. Thanks, Steve. And I appreciate you going and giving blood.

56:56 Drew Yeah, we got to all do that.

56:58 Adam I was close to. I got a couple busy signals and then got distracted. Jason, you're 15. What's going on?

57:05 Caller Yeah, I'm watching all this stuff on TV. And I'm not feeling a thing. I'm seeing these people jumping out of the buildings and flying down 50, 60 stories, hitting the ground. I'm just like, nothing.

57:18 Drew Because you don't feel like it's really happening? Or is that?

57:21 Caller No, I know it's happening. I just.

57:23 Drew It doesn't relate to you. Do you have things that do upset you?

57:27 Caller Hmm, not really.

57:29 Drew So nothing affects you?

57:31 Caller Pretty much.

57:32 Adam Well, I'm sort of like you in that I just almost can't feel it. I mean, I feel bad for those people, but it's.

57:41 Caller I don't even feel bad. Seems really heartless, but I mean, I just don't, I don't feel bad. I mean, I'm kind of like pissed off at the people that did it, but that's my, always my response to like, something screws with our country. We're going to go blow them over or something like that.

57:59 Drew So the only feeling you have is anger?

58:01 Caller Pretty much.

58:02 Drew You get to have anger.

58:04 Adam Does it worry you that you don't have feelings about this sort of thing?

58:08 Caller Sometimes it's, the only thing I was confused because why everybody else is like, well, we're so sad, I mean, our parents were in there and I'm like, okay, should I be feeling something like that too or what? Yeah.

58:22 Drew Well, there's no right or wrong feeling, but it does suggest that you may have some other things you're feeling that you're not so in touch with right now and it may sort of tie you up and make you unable to empathize with other people.

58:34 Adam Well, here's the thing too, Jason, because I'm a little bit like you a lot of the time. I don't feel enough stuff sometimes and I feel bad about it. That's actually, I do have the feeling about feeling bad about not caring about stuff.

58:47 Drew As long as you have that that goes along with it, I'm okay with it.

58:49 Adam But here's-

58:50 Drew Because I feel bad about feeling too much.

58:52 Adam All right. Well, we even out. Maybe you're taking some of my feelings, copping my feelings.

58:57 Drew You can have it right back.

58:59 Adam But here's where the danger comes in people like Jason is, I really don't care that Jason doesn't feel badly about the situation. I don't think it's the greatest attribute to have, but I don't think, I don't feel that bad about him not feeling that bad about it. If it enabled, if not having bad feelings about it though made it okay for him to do something bad to somebody, then it's a problem. Do you see what I'm saying? I don't feel bad about things that I should feel bad about, but I would never dream of hurting anybody.

59:34 Drew Right. We can go to being able to hurt somebody.

59:37 Adam Just because it doesn't make me feel bad doesn't mean I don't know other people are going to feel bad if I do something bad to them. Now some people don't feel bad about anything, therefore it's okay for them to act a certain way. And that's where it gets dangerous. And what I want to ask Jason is he may not feel anything but do you respect other people the feelings they have and would you ever hurt anybody because you don't have those feelings?

1:00:05 Caller I respect the other people and I don't think I hurt anybody unless they really piss me off about something.

1:00:11 Drew He gets the anger.

1:00:12 Adam Okay, so you're just numb but you're not dangerous.

1:00:16 Caller Not unless you do something that pisses him off.

1:00:19 Adam Like sneeze?

1:00:21 Caller No.

1:00:22 Drew I keep asking him stupid questions.

1:00:23 Adam Okay, sorry buddy.

1:00:27 Drew I have great frustration with people like Jason. They just frustrates me. I don't know what to do with them.

1:00:34 Adam I understand where he's coming from and like I said, I'm guilty of that myself, but I would never impose it on anybody.

1:00:43 Drew Being the way he is.

1:00:46 Adam What I mean is, I personally realize that I don't have strong enough feelings about a lot of things and I don't look at that as a great attribute.

1:00:54 Drew For you.

1:00:55 Adam No, I'm not proud of it.

1:00:56 Drew Yeah.

1:00:57 Adam On the other hand, I would never try to put anybody out with that.

1:01:01 Drew I understand.

1:01:02 Adam I would never say, well look, I don't care, so it's okay for me to screw you over.

1:01:05 Drew Yeah.

1:01:06 Adam Because I don't give a rat's ass about you. I don't think that's right. This is for people like Jason, that's his own problem. He can't impose that on other people.

1:01:14 Drew That's right.

1:01:15 Adam I was watching TV today and I was hearing about those poor souls that were up in the airplane for, they were saying up to an hour, some of them after knowing the plane had been hijacked and all that stuff. I was hoping that they would assume that the plane, the thing was being taken to Cuba and landed. I would assume that if you're in the plane and somebody was flying the plane, even if it was a hijacker flying the plane, you would think that it was not going to fly into the World Trade Center. I hope that being stuffed in the back of the plane, that they hopefully did not know about that until maybe never or the very last seconds. Then I was thinking about the guys up at the top of the World Trade Center while the place was burning and they were having to jump out, 100 stories and that stuff. You know, Drew, I've talked to you about wanting to keep the cyanide capsule in my...

1:02:07 Drew Yeah, maybe then now is the time for that.

1:02:08 Adam Just keeping it there in case the wheels come off the wagon. I opened my door 15 years from now and my 14 year old son is blowing the dog. You know what I mean? Just chomp right down on that thing. Back of the plane and Mohammed is stuck a shiv in the throat of the pilot and I can see out of the passenger window that the World Trade Center is on fire and we're heading into the next one right on down. Right on down.

1:02:39 Caller Why not?

1:02:42 Adam It ain't the world's worst idea. Maybe not in your chin because like you hit a speed bump in your car.

1:02:47 Drew Airplane turbulence. You know.

1:02:49 Adam And kill yourself but maybe somewhere in your wallet. All right.

1:02:53 Drew I'm with you.

1:02:55 Adam Mike?

1:02:55 Caller Yes.

1:02:56 Adam You're 23.

1:02:57 Caller Yeah. Hey guys. Good to talk to you.

1:02:59 Adam Good to talk to you, Mike.

1:03:01 Caller I just had something to say about this. Back in 1995, I was actually one of the Red Cross volunteers. I was the first security team the Red Cross ever had in Oklahoma City.

1:03:13 Adam Was Oklahoma City 95?

1:03:15 Caller Yeah.

1:03:15 Caller Can you believe it?

1:03:16 Caller Six years ago.

1:03:16 Adam Jesus. World Trade was 93, the first one.

1:03:19 Caller Yeah.

1:03:20 Adam And then 95, now 201. Yeah.

1:03:24 Caller Yeah.

1:03:24 Caller Well, hey guys. I mean, this stuff, I mean, for one thing, it really digs up some things. You know, I saw some stuff out there. Never did really quite get into the site and find bodies or anything. But I mean, still, you know, there's a lot of things out there. I know this is bringing up a lot of stuff here in this state, at least. But one of the things I want to talk about, that's just been driving me mad is how people, you know, they're talking now about how this airport security is now actually should be a national security issue. And they're just now starting to do something with that. You know, how come they haven't done something already with National Security Agency? You know, they already know about these terrorists.

1:04:02 Drew Did you hear me yelling about this about 20 minutes ago? I was saying the exact same thing. I'm pissed off. I'm really pissed off at two things. One is, hey, have some remorse and take some responsibility for the fact that you let one, you let it down. Now, don't tell me what you're going to do. First say, you know what, we have up, we should have been on top of this. And because we screwed up, we're going to compensate and damn it will never happen again. And secondly, the other thing the government was saying that just killed me was, well, today's not the day to ask who did this.

1:04:30 Adam Yeah, Drew is pitching a fit in here.

1:04:32 Drew Really? Today's not the day? When the hell is it the right time to ask who did this? I mean, it's going to be an awful catastrophe for the next 10 years. We're going to be mourning forever. Today is the day of shock and asking who the hell did this.

1:04:45 Caller They will find somebody, whether it's the right person or not. I can't say they are going to find somebody for this.

1:04:51 Adam Well, and listen, I was saying to Drew during the break, and by the way, for those of you listening to the show, we have our best poignant conversations during the break of the show. We actually like to save up during the show, so we have some good energy to really go at it during the commercial breaks when you all can't hear us. But I was saying to Drew, human nature is, I don't want to make excuses, but human nature is something has to go horribly wrong in order for people to wake up and do something and this was it, and man, this was it in spades. You would, I would assume that something would have to go wrong in order for something to happen and you would hope that it was one plane and you would hope that it went in, you know, here's just the one plane going into the field outside of Pittsburgh. That would have been enough to do it, but this was totally catastrophic and unfortunately we got taught a huge, huge lesson here, you know, and it will. But also Mike, as far as airport security goes, I mean these guys had things that weren't really considered weapons.

1:06:01 Caller I know that, but you see behind my idea, these people are already known. I mean the CIA, FBI, whoever, they already know about these people, regardless of what you hear in the newspapers or the radio, whatever. They know who they are and if you put something, you know, if you link the two computer systems together, they run it, you know, they say, okay, let me see your ID. They look at the names, okay, sir, we need you to step over here, talk to airport security for a minute before you board the plane.

1:06:27 Adam Right.

1:06:27 Caller You know, it's not necessarily evasion of privacy. You know, it's more of, okay, we're trying to save our, save our...

1:06:34 Drew And by the way, there's a lot of talk about not rewriting the Bill of Rights. If we are actually in a state of war, Abraham Lincoln recalled the writ of habeas corpus, for God's sake. I mean, you can do things in state of war to protect people.

1:06:47 Adam A couple of things, and, you know, everyone should be aware of this. And I said this to Drew again during the break. I said, you know, people would be safer driving cars if they wore crash helmets. And you can't argue with me on that. But at what point do you stop? And I know we've not done enough. But realize that millions and millions and millions of Americans and other nationalities pass through our airports every day and that if you slow that process down by even 5 percent, it's going to make a huge impact on everybody. And if you start doing all the, you know, submachine gun, armed guards and stuff, eventually we just become them. Do you know what I mean? I know what you mean. And I know there's, you know, we're not them. No, we're not. But they have won at that point. When we become a police state.

1:07:41 Drew No, not if we do it for a while. You know what I mean? If we permanently do it.

1:07:45 Adam No, I think you have to pick and choose your battles. I think putting, reinforcing the lock on the cabin door that leads into the cockpit or flight deck, as they started calling it, because they like to give me word out of air travel.

1:08:00 Drew Out of the lexicon of language.

1:08:01 Adam That's right. If they put, retrofit all those doors, which I'd imagine they're doing, I hope they're doing tonight, they retrofit all those doors with a security lock and put some more stringent...

1:08:15 Drew Steel.

1:08:16 Adam No, no. Regulations in place regarding keeping that closed. There's a good, practical move that's not going to slow down airport traffic that may potentially save lives. And it's that kind of thing that I would be all for. And as people have brought up, anyone who's done any traveling knows that it is the bottom of the barrel that works airport security. And not only airport security, all security. Go to a concert, try to get backstage. Go to an airport, try to get through a metal detector. This is the bottom of the barrel. And I think there's not an air traveler on this planet that would not agree to pay an extra 20 bucks on their commute from LA to New York to have a little higher grade of human being, a little more training, a little more education, and a little more on the ball.

1:09:08 Drew Nice. More on the ball.

1:09:10 Adam Yeah. My mic just broke in half, working that metal detector.

1:09:14 Drew All right.

1:09:14 Adam We're going to take a break and we'll come back. We'll talk to you more about your feelings about what went on today. Hello.

1:09:21 This is your radio. Loveline will be right back.

1:09:59 Adam Dr. Drew Loveline. No, boy, Dr. Drew is depressed. I'm depressed too, but Dr. Drew is really depressed.

1:10:06 Drew I'm harming you with my depression. It's not depression.

1:10:09 Adam You got pills to take tonight?

1:10:11 Drew I hope so. The cyanide pill you're talking about?

1:10:15 Adam That's five years from now when your daughter gets her first boyfriend.

1:10:19 Drew And this is, yeah, I'll keep it handy then. This isn't depression for me. This is just emotional. This is just, I'm just emotional. I people, I absorb people's stuff.

1:10:30 Adam You were absorbing my stuff last night.

1:10:32 Drew Yeah, you were powering it out, too.

1:10:34 Adam I was part of a storm in here last night. Oh, well, we're all, you know, I think people are either sort of numb or they're reeling in pain. And we're talking to people, and this includes us, who as of yet don't know that we've even lost anybody that may be close to us or even remotely close to us. Imagine those, you know, imagine those that had loved ones in that building.

1:11:04 Drew Yeah, I mean, what are they doing tonight? What are they doing?

1:11:10 Adam I'll tell you, not that there's anything good that came from any of this, but I was surprised initially that those four jumbo jets had about an average of 50-60 people on board each one, which I was...

1:11:24 Drew There were 757s. They're all 757s, I think, or at least three of them were.

1:11:29 Adam I heard one was a 767, which is a good size plane.

1:11:33 Drew I also heard one was a 747 that I heard not. But you look at the ones that the one you just saw, we watched some footage during the commercial break. That was a 757.

1:11:41 Adam Looked like it, yeah. Not a huge plane. But holds more than 50 people.

1:11:46 Drew Usually, yeah.

1:11:47 Adam I mean, Drew, when's the last time you got on a flight heading to LA.? Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, I would have been delighted if I got on that plane and saw five open rows. I mean, Drew, any flight that we've been on in the last three years has been packed to the rafters. I mean, if you would have told me that four good-sized airplanes went down from four good-sized airports heading to LA., 200 people a plane would have been a conservative estimate. The fact that there was 50 or 60 on each plane was so far the only good news I've heard. Tara? Hi. Hey, you're 29.

1:12:29 Caller Yeah. First of all, I just want to say thanks you guys for doing this. This is so wonderful. I've been a huge fan of listening to you guys every night for the last three years. I kind of consider you guys like my best friends, almost. That's kind of sad.

1:12:46 Drew Because that's the only friends you have or because schmucks like us would be your best friends?

1:12:50 Caller I don't know. Probably both. It's just so wonderful to hear you guys and be able to talk to you and say thank you. And I was wondering that the kid you called in earlier who said he wasn't feeling anything, how much of that is a defense mechanism? Because I've been doing, I was home all day watching the news myself and just because it's so overwhelming. And maybe he was 15, I remember, at five.

1:13:15 Drew Yeah, I mean, what you're feeling is more of the PTSD numbness. Your body numbs and goes into this sort of mode of feeling like it's a dream. It's not real. It's surreal. And that's a protective mechanism your body has. It's a way of detaching. It's what kids do when they're sexually abused. They detach. I mean, it's that same mechanism that kicks in. And when you're an adult and it kicks in, it's protective and it's a defense. He at 15 is saying that he just doesn't feel anything about people. That's a little bit scary. Thankfully, people exist to him. Some kids, other people don't even really exist. If they destroy them, whatever. This kid at least acknowledges that people exist. He would protect them from his feelings. But he had the Corolla syndrome of empathic failure.

1:13:57 Adam Thank you.

1:13:58 Caller No, well, I thought it was so endearing that Adam said he called the blood bank to call. I just started to tear up because see, Adam does have a heart.

1:14:07 Caller He does.

1:14:09 Drew He just said that. He didn't actually call to him. He just figured he would manipulate the listeners.

1:14:13 Adam I totally not say that on the air, didn't I, Jackass? No, I did. I called a couple of times today. It's something not that I need to defend myself, but maybe I should. I used to give blood on a regular basis for quite a many number of years, for no reason other than I just thought it was a good thing to do, and I had a Catholic little brother and all that stuff long before any of this.

1:14:41 Drew Adam has always been clear about his lineage, is that the Corollas are slackards, but they're decent people.

1:14:47 Adam That's right. I called a few times and it was busy, and then I just didn't know what to do.

1:14:53 Drew Let's you and I go tomorrow and make a point out of it.

1:14:55 Adam Yeah, I'll do that also. I will. I also heard that in news reports later on in the day that they were turning people away, that the line was going around the block and so on and so forth, and it was the same deal in New York. So maybe this is just convenient rationalization. But I thought, well, if they're turning people away, they're doing all right.

1:15:17 Drew Listen, we're going to go. I'm O positive too, so they need my stuff.

1:15:21 Adam All right.

1:15:21 Drew What do you? I don't know. You gave blood all the time?

1:15:24 Adam Yeah, I did.

1:15:26 Drew The yellow card?

1:15:26 Adam How dare you? Are you questioning me?

1:15:29 Drew No, no, I just wonder why you didn't. Thanks, Tara.

1:15:31 Adam I had a blood type that apparently was rare and that they needed. And so, I used to give every six or seven weeks, whatever the time period was. They would call me. The place in Van Nuys would call. I'd head over there and do it. And I stopped because they called me once. Well, I also had a theory, which was, I'd say to the guy, how come I only get to come every six or seven weeks? And he'd say, well, it takes six or seven weeks for you to replenish what we took last time. And then I said, okay, so as soon as I, the day I replenish what you took last time, I'm back giving more, I'm always running at kind of half a tank now. That at least was my theory. But they called me to come down there and said, come on down, we need some more. And I said, fine. And I got down there and the guy said, you're a day early. And I said, well, I'm down here. And I took half a day off work, so let's do it. And he said, no, come back tomorrow.

1:16:27 Drew That's the ultimate Corolla violation.

1:16:30 Adam And I said, look, I'm giving this stuff for free and I've been doing it for a while and I'm busy and I can't come back tomorrow, so let's do it today. And he said, nope. And I said, you know what? Your people called me and told me to come down. And the guy said, nope. And I said, well, I ain't coming back tomorrow.

1:16:46 Drew This is what you hate. It's following the letter as opposed to the spirit.

1:16:50 Adam That was about eight years ago and they haven't gotten a pint since. And that's what you get when you screw around with that letter of the law crap.

1:16:57 I used to give blood too all the time.

1:16:58 Drew And they sent me home once because I had blue hair.

1:17:01 They said they want to take any blood from blue haired people.

1:17:03 Adam They thought you had hepatitis.

1:17:05 Drew Yeah. Jesus Christ.

1:17:10 Adam That's funny.

1:17:11 Drew You're a drug user, Anderson.

1:17:12 Adam That I appreciate though. Mike?

1:17:13 Caller Yeah.

1:17:14 Adam You're 15. What's going on?

1:17:16 Caller Yeah. Hey, you guys are like great, you know. Adam, you're great. You're a god, of course.

1:17:21 Adam Thank you.

1:17:23 Caller I think it's really great that you guys are doing this whole emotional talk about this whole thing. I've been watching TV for the last six hours and they're all, it's all a bunch of political analyzation and I'm sort of sick of it, but.

1:17:36 Adam Well, you know, Drew was saying, I hate to cut you off, but here it goes again. Drew was saying during the break, I think that he was a little bit upset at the news coverage and even the president's speech and all the politicians have had on.

1:17:50 Drew Sanitize.

1:17:51 Adam Yeah, this is, there's no more human tragedy than what went on today. Let's speak like humans.

1:17:57 Drew Yeah, let's let it rip here. Is there ever a time to be real?

1:18:00 Adam Yeah, I mean, look, I'd like to see a senator up there. I'd like to see him shed a tear. I'd like to see someone say, hey, listen, I'm pissed off and I want to see somebody pay for this.

1:18:10 Drew And you know what? I'm mad at myself for not seeing this coming. I take responsibility. I'm remorseful that I didn't do something sooner.

1:18:17 Adam Yeah, it's like right now we have to take appropriate measures to make sure the people are paid back and God willing if we all say a prayer, you know, it just sounds like more politicians just talking heads, isn't it?

1:18:32 Caller Yeah, I agree.

1:18:34 Adam All right, so what do you want to say, Mike?

1:18:36 Caller I just want to say thank you very much to everyone across the entire country for putting in their time, for donating blood. Like, I personally have donated blood and done volunteer work at my local Red Cross. And probably the best thing said today was George Bush when he said, you can melt, as is roughly translated, you can melt the steel of our buildings, but you can't dent the steel of American spirit. And that was very true.

1:19:02 Drew Yeah. And I thought for me, one of the most moving calls of our night tonight was Sierra from New Zealand, surprised at the way we all react to this. That was really interesting, I thought.

1:19:10 Adam And without sounding like some country singers about to break into a song about how much I love this country, I'll tell you something, and we should all take note here. This country didn't get to be the country it is by us rolling over when the chips were down. I mean, we got a scrappy country, and I think we lose sight of that sometimes. And we get a little bit caught up in crap.

1:19:37 Drew Yeah.

1:19:38 Adam And we get mired in, I mean, this is a country that although we're the, I consider the number one nation in the world, we like to beat up on ourselves. And there's a lot of naysayers here. But I'll tell you, when something needs to get done, we do a real good job at getting it done.

1:19:53 Drew Here's the big thing, is tomorrow we're going to find out who our friends are. Tomorrow.

1:19:57 Adam You mean internationally?

1:19:58 Drew Yeah. Yeah. And I swear to God, anybody that does not cosign outrage at this whole day, forget it. We can never have a relationship with them again. Yeah.

1:20:09 Adam You think France will deny us flying over their airspace to get to Libya again? Pussy frogs over there. Listen, here's the deal. Anybody who may be in a different country, listen to the show, it's time to pay the fiddler. We've been bailing your sorry asses out for the last 100 years. Now we need a hand. Let's go now.

1:20:31 Drew It's time.

1:20:32 Adam It's payback time.

1:20:33 Drew This is time.

1:20:34 Adam And by the way, you just letting us fly over your country is not really what you call a great contribution. And it may be something as simple as that. France. France did not let us fly over their airspace when we were going to bomb Libya some years ago. And I just thought, how dare they? How dare those cowardly frogs do that after what we did for them in World War II? How dare they? All right. In World War I for that matter too. Damian?

1:21:06 Yeah.

1:21:07 Adam You're 20. What's up?

1:21:08 Caller Yeah.

1:21:09 Caller I heard a comment about somebody made a comment about the military being lazy.

1:21:14 Drew Not on this show.

1:21:15 Caller Oh, well, I just want people to know out there that, you know, what happened today was, you know, really messed up and that everybody in the military here is working hard to make sure that none of this stuff is going to happen again.

1:21:29 Drew Oh, no, no. We were complaining about the senators and the government sort of not taking some responsibility for, you know, some of what happened and for dropping the ball a little bit in terms of their planning.

1:21:42 Adam Are you in the military?

1:21:44 Caller Yes, I am.

1:21:45 Adam What branch are you in?

1:21:47 Caller I don't want to disclose that at this time.

1:21:50 Drew Fine. Normally, I don't want to hang up on you, but it's fine tonight.

1:21:53 Adam Do you have any plans? I mean...

1:21:54 Drew What's going to happen tomorrow?

1:21:55 Adam Did they talk to you about anything?

1:21:57 Caller No, no. I mean, we're just... We're on... Like the president said, we're on high alert and we can't... And we're going to be working hard. I mean, we're not going to stop work for us.

1:22:09 Adam Yeah, I'm sure of that. Are you thinking they may be shipping you off somewhere?

1:22:15 Caller No, me personally, no, I don't.

1:22:18 Adam But some fellas, you know, may be heading out soon enough?

1:22:22 Caller It's possible.

1:22:23 Adam Hmm. All right. Well, God bless you.

1:22:26 Caller All right, thanks.

1:22:27 Adam God bless this country and the military. You know what I was thinking of while I was watching the news tonight? They said that they were on Delta Alert, which is the highest alert. First off, how many goddamn things does Delta mean to the military? Because it seems to mean about 150 things. Delta Factor, Delta Force, Delta Alert. What about Defcon? Defcon's around too. We were on like Defcon and Delta, and here's my take, and here's what I was trying to figure out. I mean, you help me. Maybe someone can understand this. In the military world, they basically do like the Alpha and the Delta, and they do all this stuff. And Delta to me is the D.

1:23:10 Drew This is D, yeah.

1:23:11 Adam That's just the D signification. Since when does D represent the highest alert?

1:23:17 Drew Of anything.

1:23:18 Adam Shouldn't it be A or 1? Why D? There's a bunch of letters in front of D before you get to A.

1:23:25 Drew There must be some...

1:23:27 Adam Delta just pretty much means...

1:23:28 Drew What if Delta means like a fan, like an alluvial fan is a Delta?

1:23:32 Adam Well, Delta is...

1:23:32 Drew Maybe it's a fanning out process, you know what I mean? Maybe it's not the...

1:23:36 Adam I don't know. You mean Delta...

1:23:37 Drew Maybe it's not the letter.

1:23:38 Adam Delta, which means triangle, you mean?

1:23:40 Drew No, Delta like the Mississippi, you know...

1:23:45 Adam I know, but they just call that a Delta because of its shape.

1:23:49 Drew Yeah, it fans out. And maybe this is a fanning out of military...

1:23:52 Adam But the Delta just means triangle, basically.

1:23:55 Drew All right.

1:23:56 Adam Well, anyway. Okay, somebody figure out that Delta and that Defqon. Oh, Christ, I'm going to... I swear to Christ, Anderson, this thing missed my nuts by half an inch. Do you understand? I have a 45-pound mic stand. I just lifted up and leaned forward. The thing fell right through my legs and almost hit one of my nuts. You would have... Yeah.

1:24:18 Laura's dog already tried to bite them tonight.

1:24:21 Drew It's the whoopee mic.

1:24:23 Adam All right. We're going to take a break. We'll be back.

1:24:57 Drew Here we are.

1:24:58 Adam Loveline. I'm Adam. That is Drew over there. We're talking about the events of today.

1:25:06 Drew Go ahead and put line two on hold, please. Tara.

1:25:09 Adam Hi, Drew. Let me talk to you. Put them on hold. I woke up this morning, and a couple of strange things happened. A, as you know, I sleep with an egg timer as my alarm clock, and the battery went dead in the middle of the night, and I woke up late this morning, and I had a dream last night. I didn't bring this up earlier, and I'm not going to make much of it, but it was weird. I did have a dream of, I watched a plane crash. No. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And it was one of the, it was probably, because then I woke up shortly after that, and looked at the clock, it was about 7, 7.30 in the morning. So it would have been after the planes crash. Now, I have a dream of plane crashes of four or five nights a week. I have two dreams. I watch a plane crash or some pit bull latches on to my shin bone and will not let go. Sometimes, if I'm lucky, there's a pit bull attached to my calf muscle while I watch a plane crash. But I absolutely, unequivocally watched a plane and a big jumbo jet go into the ground this morning in my dreams at about 7.30, 7, 7.30 in the morning. Could have been 6.45, could have been actually when it was happening, or it could have been just moments afterward. It's just interesting that somehow that's what I decided to dream about, and I've spent the entire day watching planes crash essentially. It was very bizarre to wake up after my plane crash, a dream, and start hearing about all these planes going down. First message I got when I woke up was my stepmother on my phone. It said 7.30 in the morning, and my first thought was this is why I shut my ringer off. I remember thinking stepmom, 7.30 in the morning, and it was very cryptic. It said turn on the news, and it hung up. It said turn on the TV, and it hung up, and I thought me being me, huh, I must be on TV.

1:27:12 Drew All over TV, everywhere.

1:27:13 Adam And I thought, huh, wonder why she didn't give me a station. I mean, I'll find me, I thought. So I walked over and turned the set on, and there was everybody, and I was glad it wasn't me I was looking at at that point. Michael?

1:27:30 Caller Yeah.

1:27:30 Adam You're 34? Correct. You're going to tell us about the Delta designation.

1:27:37 Caller From when I was in the military and the fact I've got friends who work in emergency services, Delta is like one or two, I don't remember exactly how many, steps below martial law.

1:27:46 Adam Right. I understand it's always Delta means is the time when it's really getting hairy, and thank you, Michael. I'm just wondering why Delta, which is D, why not Alpha or Beta? What about Alpha?

1:28:00 Drew Or Omega? Just pick them, go down the all-federal ways.

1:28:04 Adam I'm telling you, the military loves saying Delta. Daniel?

1:28:10 Caller Hi.

1:28:10 Adam You're 15?

1:28:11 Caller Yeah.

1:28:11 Adam What's up?

1:28:12 Caller Oh, I was on... Well, first of all, I'd like to say, the guy's show was awesome.

1:28:17 Adam Thank you.

1:28:18 Caller And, um, like early today when, I guess, they like assaulted the planes with knives, I was kind of like, I was kind of stupid because, well, I don't think they like told the people they were going to blow something up because I think the people knew they were going to die.

1:28:36 Drew Well...

1:28:36 Caller I mean, people are like heroic, you know?

1:28:39 Drew Yeah.

1:28:39 Adam They can be, yeah.

1:28:40 Drew Here's, I think, the logic what happened is the terrorist told the passengers they had bombs on them, and if they tried anything, they'd blow the plane up.

1:28:48 Caller Oh, okay.

1:28:49 Adam Do you think that happened?

1:28:51 Drew That's what the phone call said. But then...

1:28:53 Adam I never heard that either.

1:28:55 Drew Then, this one guy, I forget his name, that talked to his mom in San Francisco, she told him about the World Trade Center. Oh. I'm sorry, it was the one, I think it was the Pentagon, the woman whose husband was the attorney.

1:29:09 Adam I did hear something about that.

1:29:11 Drew That he said, look, there are two other buildings that they ram planes into, look alive, do something. That's when they got disconnected.

1:29:22 Adam Is that the one that went down in Pittsburgh?

1:29:24 Drew I don't know.

1:29:26 Adam It seemed like to me that the other pilots that were on the air in the Pittsburgh, one that went down outside of Pittsburgh, was the last one to go in, I believe, were aware of the other planes that went in. Maybe no coincidence that that one didn't make its target.

1:29:44 Drew Right, somebody went in. If you look at its last few minutes in the air, it was jockeying around.

1:29:51 Adam Oh my god.

1:29:52 Drew Like there was some struggle going on.

1:29:54 Adam How do you deal with that mentality? Do you know what I mean? I mean that, the only way to deal with that mindset is to blow it off the face of the earth. Thanks, Daniel. Yeah, thanks. Take care of yourself. Let's talk to Sean.

1:30:11 Hey, what's up?

1:30:12 Adam Hey, you're 20. What's up?

1:30:13 Caller Hey, I just wanted to say thank you. I'm sure the whole country is appreciative of what you're doing tonight, giving us a way to vent and express how we feel.

1:30:21 Drew It's going to be hard not to do this again tomorrow night.

1:30:23 Adam Yeah, we may do it some tomorrow night. And listen, people have been calling and thanking us. Thank you for listening, because this is nothing. I mean, we've just been wanting to get in here and talk about this the whole day. And this is nothing we wouldn't be doing anyway.

1:30:41 Caller Well, I just wanted to bring up a point. I spent the entire day with my friends discussing this. Some of them have family out in New York or at school out in New York. And we came to a conclusion that, in a sense, this event is our generation's Pearl Harbor. It's something that motivates us. It brings the country back together under one belief, under patriotism, and remembering what our country is about.

1:31:06 Adam Absolutely.

1:31:07 Drew It certainly melts away some of the differences when you have a common enemy like this.

1:31:11 Adam Yeah, and I do think we spend way too much time in this country, like I said earlier, beating ourselves up, talking about how racist we are, how unfair we are to the other parts of the world, and how we're polluting things. And we really kick the crap out of ourselves. We're like some big, good-looking jock who has low self-esteem. And it really is. We really are. We're like the big man on campus, but we have such low self-esteem, we can't get a date to the prom. Is this getting cathartic now? You want to see me cry? I'm really going to start crying. But Pearl Harbor was what? 1300 men? Or maybe that was in the Missouri, or the Arizona.

1:31:56 Drew But it was 2500 military men, I remember.

1:31:59 Adam Yeah, I know. And you make that distinction. Tell them, though. This guy was eating pineapples and playing ukuleles and sunbathing, and there was a bunch of 19-year-old guys who didn't feel like going to junior college, and they get their heads blown off. But 2500, and we don't know what the death toll is going to be, but I guarantee you, if it's four times that much, we'll be lucky. We will be lucky. So this is quite a bit more catastrophic than Pearl Harbor was to us. Also, we've never had anything brought to the continental United States. Never.

1:32:35 Drew How do people fully appreciate that?

1:32:36 Adam World War II, they did, Japanese did float a few bombs that blew up in the Pacific Northwest, and killed like a couple of campers or something. But we didn't really get, we haven't, a couple of submarines firing a thing or two into some place outside of Poughkeepsie. But we never, we haven't had anything in this country. This is it. And hopefully this is the biggest. So we'll be back to wrap up with you.

1:33:15 Caller Adam and Dr. Drew will be right back on Loveline.

1:33:51 Adam All right. Well, it felt good.

1:33:55 Drew Yeah, it felt right.

1:33:56 Adam Yeah, it felt right. I'm glad you all stuck with us and let us those three of you that are left from our format. I don't have anything too poetic to quote. No platitudes from the Bible. But I do know that this is a strong country, and this is not nearly enough to bring us down. And those of you who are fearful right now, as I was saying to Drew, those of you who are scared to go to your work or to your school tomorrow.

1:34:28 Drew Fear not.

1:34:29 Adam Yeah. As far as terrorists go, their plan is wait till you fall asleep and then strike at a vulnerable spot. I think we're the furthest away.

1:34:40 Drew From the next spot.

1:34:41 Adam From the next spot because everyone is on full tactical alert. And what idiot is going to try to rob a bank the day after it was robbed? Do you know what I'm saying?

1:34:52 Drew I understand.

1:34:53 Adam So I know a lot of you are freaked out. Now is not the time to be freaked out. I mean you can mourn. You can pray. But as far as being freaked out on your way into work tomorrow.

1:35:04 Drew Well, just this is infamy. And it will finally, it will be revenge. There will be justice.

1:35:10 Adam Right. All right. We'll be back tomorrow night. We will play it by ear tomorrow night. Maybe we'll do some of our normal calls and maybe we'll talk more about this. We'll see how you're feeling and we'll do whatever you want to do. Until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:35:26 Drew When the hell is it the right time to ask who did this? I mean it's going to be an awful catastrophe for the next 10 years. We're going to be mourning forever. Today is the day of shock and asking who the hell did this.

1:35:39 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Wilkins Dingle. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2001