Episode 1000741198868

0:15 Voiceover 1-800-LOVE-191 Loveline starts now.

0:18 Drew Hey, everybody, it's Dr. Drew here with me tonight, Jonathan Davis from Korn.

0:23 What's up, everybody?

0:24 Drew Jonathan, how are you?

0:25 I'm doing good, John.

0:25 Drew You've been here about two years?

0:26 Korn It's been two years.

0:28 Drew I can't believe that.

0:29 Korn Two years too long, man.

0:30 Drew You're an old-timer in this show. You started in 1995 on K-Rock?

0:33 Korn 1995.

0:34 Drew On Loveline. You're just telling me there was a story about that night.

0:37 Korn Yeah. My son was born the night before. I got to spend a night with him in the hospital. It was his first ride home, and I had to jump in a car. David, my grandma, picked me up, and I drove right from the hospital here to be on Loveline.

0:49 Drew To be on Loveline. That's too funny. And then music has been pulling you away from him ever since?

0:53 Korn Ever since.

0:54 Drew And now a new child?

0:55 Korn New child, pirate.

0:56 Drew What's that like? Are these the same mom? Yes?

0:59 Korn No, different moms.

1:00 Drew Different moms. Are you married now? And things are stable?

1:04 Korn Everything's stable. Very happily married.

1:05 Drew How do you keep a stable relationship with travel and the road?

1:09 Korn It's very difficult. You just got to have an understanding wife who knows what you do. She comes out a lot with me on the road, brings fire, or Nathan comes out with me. So I try and have some of the similes of a family life on the road.

1:25 Drew I guess if you are successful enough, one of the ways to survive the road is to have them come with you. But Pirate has to stay home because he is too little?

1:33 Korn No, he came home on the press cards where we were taking over radio stations.

1:39 Drew Tell me about that. That's really interesting. You were taking over radio stations.

1:41 Korn We would roll up in the radio station and take over, play whatever we wanted to play. I got pretty good behind the board so I started taking over from the DJ. I learned how to work the computers and make the songs work.

1:54 Drew Did you make the choice or the entire band does?

1:56 Korn No, it was the whole band. We all had choices.

1:58 Drew We didn't fight over it.

1:59 Korn No, man. What do you want to play now, Monk? Can you choose a song? We all just chose different songs. That's cool.

2:04 Drew Now, you corrected something on my little sheet here. They thought here at the radio station that you started in Bakersfield where you guys are all from, right?

2:11 Korn No, we all grew up in Bakersfield.

2:13 Drew Definitely. You have a cultural vibe in Bakersfield. I can feel the Bakersfield vibe coming from you. By the way, I saw you guys on Saturday Night. You're amazing. Thank you. I will not soon forget your microphone. Yeah. People have to come see them to appreciate that. What's that Anderson?

2:31 You have to talk about the mic a little bit.

2:33 Drew No, no. People have to come see them when they want to see the mic. Well, you're a baby or something you want to say by the way?

2:37 Korn It was done by surrealist artist HR. Giger, who did Aliens and basically invented the whole biomechanical movement back in the 80s and 60s. He did that sculpture for me. It's his first functional piece of artwork.

2:53 Drew And it's a young lady.

2:55 Korn Yes, very beautiful.

2:56 Drew Amazing. But the band didn't form in Bakersfield?

3:00 Korn No, we didn't form. A band called LAPD formed in Bakersfield, and they had an album come out on XXX. That was Fieldy, David and Monkey with a different singer. But Korn actually formed in Huntington Beach.

3:13 Drew Did you meet back down? Did you guys move away from Bakersfield?

3:16 Korn The guys in LAPD moved and they were in Long Beach, they were in Burbank and they moved all over. When I got in the band, we were living in Huntington Beach. And that's when I came down and tried out and Korn was formed there in HB.

3:26 Drew Well, she actually came down to try out. You weren't living down here or something like that. My understanding is, what's that Anderson?

3:33 I need a little heat on Jonathan, sorry. Okay, there you go.

3:36 Korn Tapping into the mic now.

3:37 Drew So, but now let's go back to Huntington Beach. It's 1991, 1993. And you're doing what at that time? In Bakersfield.

3:47 Korn In Bakersfield, I was actually working at the coroner's office.

3:51 Drew In a morgue? Yeah.

3:53 Korn I was studying to be... I just, I'd volunteer time. I wanted to be a coroner investigator. But on my day job...

4:02 Drew Before the CSI stuff, right? Yeah, before that. You never heard of that?

4:04 Korn No, I never heard of that. I started in high school doing autopsies here at the coroner's office in Kern County.

4:09 Drew Did you want to be a mortician or do you want to be a forensic investigator?

4:12 Korn No, I wanted to be a forensic investigator.

4:13 Drew Like a cop?

4:14 Korn Yeah, they were interested in it.

4:16 Drew But you were interested in like... Yeah. Where did that interest come from, you think?

4:19 Korn Some morbid sick thing, some problem with me because I've always been drawn towards dark things. Since I was a little kid, there were horror movies. When I had the opportunity to be able to go there, I was like, I want to see dead bodies. I thought it would be cool. But once I got into it, I really caught on.

4:35 Drew You said, we look at each other, we scared, effed up feelings in our guts. That's when we know we wrote something special. Your music still comes from the same place that pushed you into the morgue.

4:44 Korn Yeah, basically. Really?

4:46 Drew Do you wish you had done more of that stuff?

4:49 Korn The whole morgue didn't. It was a cool time in my life. I learned a lot. But wow.

4:55 Drew That means anything. The mics just fell off the stand. Alright. Back to our depth talk.

5:01 Korn If I was to do it, I would see something different.

5:04 Drew How about the other people that were in the morgue? I mean the dead people, the people that worked. Is there anything sort of common in people that want to go into that stuff? At that time, not all the young kids want to go to be a CSI investigator. You were just into the autopsies.

5:19 Korn I liked dissecting the bodies up and just watching the doctors work and how they figured out how someone died.

5:25 Drew Why didn't you become a pathologist?

5:28 Korn Because after I got done with that, that's when I went into mortuary college and became an umbomber.

5:32 Drew You did? You actually went on this far. But you didn't want to be a mortician. Well, I tried that.

5:36 Korn I was an umbomber, but that was cool. I had to wear a suit and tie and I had to do it. It was all about your image and people, how they look at you. Their families will go and...

5:48 Drew You had to help with the grieving family.

5:50 Korn You had to help with the grieving family. Yeah, I did watch it a couple of times. It was pretty spot on.

5:55 Drew Realistic. It was just a job, right?

5:58 Korn Yeah. I got really into the coroner's office after that. Just going out on runs to where murders and car accidents and all that kind of stuff was just writing reports.

6:09 Drew Do you think that's some sort of attempt to master all that?

6:13 Korn I don't know what I was thinking back then. Now that I look back on it, I wish I would know because it kind of messed me up in my head at such a young age. Why?

6:20 Drew Seeing all that trauma?

6:21 Korn Yeah, dealing with adults that die or one thing, I could handle that because all the children I had to do, the newborn babies from SIDS and children five years old doing autopsies, that kind of children is not cool.

6:32 Drew No, no.

6:33 Korn It totally did mess with my head. I got post-traumatic from that.

6:37 Drew No kidding. Yeah. Do you get depressed and nightmares all of a sudden?

6:40 Korn It was just the nightmares and stuff like that but I got over that. It took time and some medication. What was the medication? It was this thing called rapid eye movement.

6:47 Drew Oh, you had EMDR? Yeah. Oh, how interesting. Back then, it must have been brand new. Can you talk about that?

6:54 Korn You think about the trauma and you watch the light go back and forth like Kit.

6:59 Drew Yeah, like what?

7:00 Korn Like Kit. Remember Kit had that eye.

7:02 Drew Kit in 2001?

7:03 Korn No, Kit, the car from David Hasselhoff's Night Rider. Oh, Kit.

7:07 Drew Oh, yeah. The talking car. The talking car. All right.

7:11 Korn That's the first thing I thought when I saw it.

7:13 Drew Before Hasselhoff was in Baywatch, he was in a TV show about a talking car. Those of you that are young might not know that. Yeah. It had this red sort of, it looked like the...

7:23 Korn Like a Cylon eye back in from Battlestar Galactica.

7:26 Drew Yes. Or the eyewear you wear for those 3D video games, stuff like that. But with the red light going back and forth.

7:33 Korn Back and forth.

7:34 Drew And you watch that and you talk about the trauma.

7:35 Korn And you talk about the trauma.

7:36 Drew And it rewires your brain, really.

7:38 Korn That's the theory about it. The theory is that trauma doesn't know where to go.

7:42 Drew Right. You know, to process it.

7:43 Korn You process it through REM repair.

7:46 Yeah.

7:46 Drew The woman that developed it realized when she was out in the woods just thinking about trauma and she noticed her eyes moved in a certain way, she'd have a better opportunity to go through it. And so she started developing this thing. It's a very long story. But we do a lot of trauma people on this show, obviously, and it's Loveline. And EMDR is something we kind of allude to here and there, but we never have a chance to get in. Nobody ever, it's rare to find somebody that's had it.

8:05 Korn Yeah.

8:06 Drew In the early 90s.

8:07 Korn It's wild. In the early 90s.

8:08 Drew Wow.

8:08 Korn And in Bakersfield? No, it was here in LA.

8:10 Drew I was going to say, you found it in Bakersfield.

8:12 Korn No, in Bakersfield it would have been totally different.

8:14 Drew All right. So we've got Jonathan from Korn, Jonathan Davis. He's the lead vocalist. Those of you don't know Korn, you need to. They're amazing. I saw them on Saturday night. Let's take some calls. This is Chris who's 21. Why am I not getting Chris here? Chris, there you are. What's going on, Chris?

8:27 Caller How are you doing, sir?

8:28 Drew We're great. What's up?

8:29 Caller Oh, well, okay, I just started dating this girl and we're having sex pretty soon, which isn't so bad because I've been late in some months. But anyways, she's on a period the other night and we're doing our damn thing and she goes to go ahead and come at me. So like an idiot, I'm just like, oh, it feels so good and I blow my load. My question is-

8:47 Drew Where did you go to finishing school? I really want to know, Chris. I love that poetry, that's amazing.

8:52 Korn You need that, that's good radio. This guy is speaking his mind. That's how I'd say it.

8:57 Caller I just wanted to note that for you.

8:59 Drew No, it's alright. Jonathan likes it. I like it. I just say it how it is. So you blow your load and-

9:05 Caller Anyways, well yeah, she's obviously, when she's bleeding, she's infertile. Am I correct?

9:10 Drew No.

9:10 Korn No.

9:10 Drew Absolutely not.

9:12 Korn No.

9:12 Drew Okay, okay.

9:14 Caller That's why I need to talk to you guys. Because I know how this works. You know what I mean? When I should be doing this and when I shouldn't be doing this.

9:20 Drew You should be wearing- Well, you were already having sex without a condom, so you were already in harm's way that way.

9:26 Caller Yeah, I'm sick with it, man. I usually don't do this, but-

9:28 Drew No, no, I'm not talking about the fact that you're having a condom while she's bleeding. I'm saying you're having a condom, no condom on.

9:33 Korn No condom.

9:34 Drew We'll get her pregnant whether you blow your load or not.

9:37 Caller Right, yeah.

9:39 Korn Two, you're not wearing a condom when she's bleeding.

9:41 Drew Yes, and three, you're not wearing a condom with somebody who you've just started having sex with.

9:46 Caller I know you guys, it's really stupid.

9:48 Bad, bad, bad.

9:49 Caller John Earth, redneck girl, you know, kind of sheltered. I've been guessing she's cool and we've had our talks and our discussions about the getting pregnant.

9:54 Korn Dude, I am redneck. It comes.

9:57 Drew Jonathan is redneck.

9:58 Korn I'm from Baker Silver.

9:59 Drew I would wear a condom if I'm having sex with Jonathan. I would.

10:03 Korn You've got to know what's going on, man.

10:08 Drew Yes, indeed, when she's having her menstrual period, she's less likely to get pregnant than mid-cycle, but it's not impossible. If you have an infection, let's say you are not the cleanest guy in the world, you can introduce bacteria into the upper genital tract and cause pelvic inflammatory disease. You're more likely to cause pelvic inflammatory disease during a period, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it. There's nothing bad about it. You just got to be careful.

10:40 Caller Yeah.

10:41 Korn Watch yourself.

10:42 Drew Is that it, Chris?

10:44 Caller Yeah, I guess that's it, man. There's a lot of sex going on right now and I'm just trying to wean myself away from it. You know what I mean?

10:49 Korn I don't know.

10:50 Drew We're not. John, are you suggesting you do that?

10:52 Korn No, don't wean yourself. There's nothing wrong with sex, man. Just protect yourself. That's all you got to do. If you don't want a baby, protect yourself. If you don't want a disease, protect yourself.

10:58 Drew All right. This now is Barry, who's 29, Barry?

11:01 Caller Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, thanks for changing my call, by the way.

11:06 Korn Cool, man.

11:07 Caller Hello? Yeah, here you are.

11:08 Drew Here you are, Jonathan David.

11:09 Yeah, sorry.

11:10 Caller Yeah, I had a question about... I just heard recently, I'm a chef in Austin, Texas, and I heard a question, I heard a comment about anal bleaching.

11:21 Drew Good times. Awesome.

11:22 Korn I heard about that, too.

11:24 Caller For porn stars, I guess?

11:25 Korn Yeah, you got to get the brown out, homie.

11:26 Drew I'm not sure it's limited to porn stars, either.

11:28 Caller I mean, a lot of them, they seem to have an obvious cosmetic reason, but I mean, I just kind of wondered about the process of that. Do they actually stick you with a needle in your perianal area or something?

11:39 Drew I think it's a topical thing. I think it's just on top there. It's a bleaching procedure like they bleach any other dark skin.

11:48 Caller And that just soaks in and makes it paint?

11:51 Drew I imagine it doesn't feel good.

11:52 Korn It doesn't feel good, but it makes the thing look pink, bro.

11:56 Caller Is that going to hurt for a while or something? I mean, like not that I'm interested in or anything.

12:00 Drew Oh yeah, no, of course not. Your friend is, your friend is.

12:02 Caller Yeah, I have no reason to show my...

12:04 Drew Yeah, yeah, sure, bro. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Jonathan?

12:06 Korn Anyways, is this going to make your butthole look better?

12:12 And then I'll...

12:13 Korn That brown eye is better pink.

12:15 Drew Oh my God. All right, let's go to Vanessa who's 18. Enough of these dudes. Let's get some women going. Vanessa, what's up? Hey.

12:25 Caller Well, I have a question.

12:26 Caller I don't know what to do. Let's see. I'm 18 and I'm married and I have a baby girl. And I'm finding some things about my husband that I didn't know before. And he's very immature. Like he's older than I am. He's 20. And he's like, I don't get any attention from him. It's like he doesn't pay any attention to me at all.

12:53 Drew What's he do? Is he out with his buddies or just, you're just thinking out there?

12:57 Caller I'm not out with his buddies, but like he plays video games all day.

13:00 Drew Oh boy.

13:01 Korn Yeah. Well, I'm guilty of that.

13:03 Drew Is he smoking pot all day too?

13:04 Caller No, no. He's clean. I mean, he's walking.

13:09 He doesn't bathe very often.

13:11 Drew Oh my. He's free of drugs, but he doesn't bathe.

13:16 Caller Yeah. He doesn't do drugs or anything like that.

13:19 Drew What does he do for a living?

13:21 Caller He works at Saturn.

13:24 Drew Car?

13:27 Car salesman?

13:28 Caller No, he wants to be a technician. Now he's working at the Porter and he's trying to work up there, but it's not...

13:36 I guess I don't feel like he's actually trying to achieve something more.

13:41 Drew No, I should say no. He's not exactly reaching for the stars. Right. Well, what do you want to do?

13:46 Caller Well, I don't know. See, that's the thing. It's like I'm finding some things out on his computer, like I'll get on there, whatever, and I'm looking at him, trying to download CDs and stuff like that, and all this porn is on there that he's looked up. It's not like where you would porn, like porn's cool. I mean, whatever, do your thing, but it's like weird porn, like transsexuals and just weird.

14:11 Korn Everybody's got things they're into, man.

14:14 Caller Yeah. But see, I'll ask him, is that it? I'm like, is it? No, that's cool. But I just want you to talk to me about it. Oh, well, no, I just think it's weird. I'm like, nobody's down to it.

14:25 Drew So it's like sort of a morbid curiosity rather than something he's stimulating himself with.

14:30 Caller Well, I don't know. I'm like, well, does it turn you on? Well, sometimes. And I'm like, well, if you talk to me about it, there's nothing to talk about. I'm like, okay.

14:38 Drew Well, there is. He's just ashamed of it. Maybe, yeah.

14:40 Korn He'd be embarrassed.

14:41 Caller Yeah. He got caught. And I'm like, well, and it's not like the first time he's got caught. I mean, like, I've, you know, like, seen a whole bunch of other stuff that, you know, he's looked up. And I'm like, you know, are you into this hole? No, I think it's weird. I'm like, nobody thinks it's weird.

14:55 Drew So what do you want to do? You're living with a 12 year old and you have a child. You're both children, really.

15:01 Korn I mean, that's number one. You guys are 20 and 18.

15:04 Drew Yeah, that's tough. I think what he needs more than anything else is just some structure in his life. He's got to really get going with his work. And maybe you're the ones who have to kick his ass a little bit. Unfortunately, he doesn't sound like somebody who's going to self-start. So you're going to have to start putting boundaries down, put motivated down, some of the self-start. Throw the video games out in the street, whatever. Or put him in a block box somewhere and tell him he can have them if he works enough for weekends. But that taking over his life is not okay. He's got a kid, he's got a wife, he's got to pay attention. And if he is addicted to the video game, you don't neglect your kid and your wife.

15:43 Korn No, I don't. I get in arguments over it sometimes, but that's like my escape. But I don't neglect my child and my wife.

15:52 Drew You get in sort of an altered space with them, right? You're sort of in an alpha.

15:55 Korn This is the way I just wind down. Yeah. It's not an everyday eight hour a day habit.

16:02 Drew And if it is, it's getting into sort of compulsion or addiction and somebody needs some consequences then. And they're not going to pull out of it on their own. So I suggest you're the one, unfortunately, as to young people with a child, somebody's got to be the adult here. Tiffany 21.

16:16 Caller Hi, Dr. Drew. I just want to say hi to Jonathan and tell him how great he is and how inspirational he's been over the years.

16:24 Korn Right on.

16:25 Caller And just ask you about Brian, if you guys still talk. If everything's all right there.

16:30 Korn I hear through the grapevine, everything is good with Ed. We haven't unfortunately, we haven't talked. Nobody in the band has talked to him since he's left. But we hear things here and there and check up on him. We miss him dearly and glad that he's got his life together and he's not addicted to drugs and alcohol anymore. And he's doing something positive with his life and he's with his daughter. So that's all that we care about, that he's happy. We miss him terribly. We miss him being around. I would love just to be able to say hi to him, see how his family is doing and stuff like that. He's just not ready for that right now.

17:02 Caller Well okay, I just wanted to tell you how great you are. I'm sorry I got you nervous.

17:07 Who was mean to you?

17:10 Caller You and Adam were.

17:12 Caller I remember, my name is Tiffany, I work for the check cashing place.

17:14 Caller I asked you guys about a piercing.

17:17 Drew I remember the check cashing. I remember Adam went off on how you take advantage of the poor people.

17:22 Yes, I do remember that too, but we don't.

17:24 Caller I promise. All right. Before anything goes badly, I just want to tell you, Jonathan, you're so great. I hope I can eat you one day and that's pretty much it. Okay.

17:33 Drew Cool.

17:33 Caller Have a nice night, you guys.

17:34 Drew Bye, Tiffany.

17:35 Korn Thank you.

17:35 Drew Are you guys going out on tour soon?

17:37 Korn We're going to start a world tour at the end of February.

17:40 Drew That's going to... How long is that going to last for?

17:42 Korn A year and a half, two years probably.

17:44 Drew Is that to promote See You on the Other Side, the new CD?

17:46 Korn Excellent.

17:47 Drew We're going to hear something from that in the next little segment after the commercials, but for right now we're going to go to... Hang on here. I want to go to Maria, who's 17. Maria?

17:56 Caller Hello?

17:57 Drew What's up, Maria?

17:58 Caller Well, I was wondering, because I heard this story about this lady who, they passed on to her, I don't know, something from a dead person, and her vagina started running away.

18:11 Drew What do you, what do you, what do you want?

18:13 Korn A gangrene or something?

18:14 Drew Because of exposure to a dead body?

18:17 Caller Well, okay. She, her and her husband, they own a mortuary, right?

18:21 Drew Yeah.

18:22 Caller And, well, he passed her, like, a disease and her vagina started running away.

18:28 Drew Well, listen, you can get flesh-eating bacteria anywhere. I've seen it of the penis.

18:34 Korn You can get it, the mortician's back, it was like a shingles, kind of like. You can get shingles. What is that stuff called? The bugs.

18:42 Drew Scabies?

18:43 Korn Scabies.

18:43 Drew Yeah, scabies pretty easily.

18:44 Korn Scabies is pretty, that's the biggest thing.

18:46 Drew But you actually can get flesh-eating bacteria anywhere. I had a guy that got it just next to his genitalia, and we had to basically what they call un-glove, take off all the skin below his waist to keep him alive. Because that stuff gets going, you got to treat him like a burn victim. And yes, that's why when people get piercings all over the place in their vagina and their penis, I worry about that happening. You're getting bacteria introduced into a sterile area of the body, and if one of those happens to be one of these flesh-eating straps or something, it's game on. Here's an emdr.com. This is interesting. Trent, 20.

19:18 Caller Hey, how's it going, guys?

19:20 Good.

19:21 Caller I was just listening, and you guys mentioned about the EDMR, and I had experience with it that totally changed my outlook. What had happened was about three years ago, my dad committed suicide. And me and my mom, about four days later, we found his body. And shortly thereafter, I found myself like really heavily in drugs and alcohol. And about six months later, I'm doing a lot of therapy and still like really messed up on drugs. And we did the EDMR. And it was just an amazing experience.

19:55 Drew Describe it.

19:56 Caller Yeah, it was, what had happened was, is the experience from his suicide, it kind of a...

20:06 Drew It's locked in.

20:07 Caller It was really, it was really foggy, you know. And people were asking me about the experience with it. And I couldn't really describe it. I just could say it was bad and it was terrible and blah, blah, blah. But I couldn't put it into words. And after I did the EDMR, and we go through, we went through the whole entire like four days up to his death and like the four or five days after his death. And we went like, I was able to describe like moment by moment what it was like. And it got it brought so much clarity because there was a lot of like guilt and remorse and shame that was brought about from his death. And it brought so much so much peace.

20:45 Drew And it maybe doesn't sound intuitive to people, but one of the things that we sort of strive for people who have had trauma is to make something we call a cohesive narrative, which it means making this event belong to you, not be sort of walled off from you and something you're afraid to touch again. Is that your experience?

20:59 Korn Yeah, it's just weird. When I went through it, it was just basically my brain putting it away. It's always something that was stuck there.

21:07 Drew Yeah, it gets stuck.

21:07 Korn It's walled off. It's like on rewind. It's like it's skipping. It just keeps repeating in my head over and over again. The EMDR takes it and it just places it away. I mean, it's still there. The memories are still there, but it's not something that's constant.

21:19 Drew But it's also connected to other things. You can regulate it.

21:21 Korn Yeah, you can regulate it. It's not like the dreams went away, and I really don't think about that much anymore.

21:28 Drew You can become a musician and act it out that way.

21:32 Korn Yeah.

21:33 Drew All right. Listen, thanks, Jeff, for your call. Jonathan Davis from Korn in here tonight. We're going to hear a song from the new CD, See You on the Other Side in just a few minutes. This is their seventh CD. The band has sold over 25 million CDs worldwide. You were on Kimmel last night. Did it air last night? Yeah. So it's good to see them on Jimmy Kimmel. If you set your Tivo's. And the phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. Jonathan Davis with Dr. Drew. We'll be right back. Can you hear me? I can't hear me. There we go. That's much better. We had some microphone problems here, and so I'm getting a new mic set up. Dr. Drew here with Jonathan Davis from Korn. They were on Kimmel last night. They had a huge concert here in Los Angeles where they just shined. And we're talking about Jonathan and his scabies and his days as a mortician. And his EMDR and his panic disorder.

22:28 Hey, Drew, that could be the worst mic I've ever heard.

22:31 Drew All right, so let's try something else here. Jonathan, you take this one. I'll take this one.

22:36 Korn Hey, there we go.

22:37 Drew Is that better?

22:37 Yeah, you got something great now.

22:38 Drew All right. You take that one.

22:40 Cool.

22:41 Drew There we go. All right. We knew we'd solve that problem. Yeah, the microphone just fell apart right here. It's a professional organization.

22:48 Korn It's all right. What's going on?

22:49 Drew Let's talk to somebody who is a fan of Korn. Michael, 30.

22:52 Caller Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you doing?

22:53 Drew Good. Michael, what's up?

22:55 Caller I just want to say hi to Jonathan. Quick, a huge supporter of yours. I've seen you about four times and probably I've seen about 50 shows. The greatest performance I've ever seen in my entire life was when you guys came on stage at Woodstock 99.

23:10 Korn That was a highlight of our career, definitely.

23:14 Caller The devil was alive in that crowd and you just made 200,000 people go frigging nuts. It was unbelievable.

23:21 Korn It was very unbelievable that show. We never played to that many people before in our lives.

23:27 Drew I don't think many people ever do.

23:28 Korn I think it was literally people. You just saw human bodies all the way through the horizon. Everywhere you looked from left to right, people. It just unleashed when we came out there.

23:41 Caller I just want to say thanks for that performance. That was one of the greatest moments of my life. It was such a huge moment to see you guys and it was just unbelievable how many minutes you guys were out there. I want to say thank you for that. It's amazing. I get on tonight while you're on and I actually have a question for Dr. Drew. I was with a prostitute probably about two weeks ago. We didn't have sex but we didn't use a condom and there was some grinding. Probably about two or three days later, I'm starting to have irritation in my bladder where I'm having to pee a lot more frequently.

24:24 Drew You didn't have sex with her?

24:25 Caller Didn't have sex.

24:26 Korn He grinded on it. He grinded on it.

24:29 Drew On it and exposed?

24:31 Korn Exposed.

24:32 Drew Was she wearing pants or anything?

24:33 Caller No. It was genitals on genitals if I can say that. But I'm sure we exchanged some sort of.

24:37 Korn That's the ultimate tease man. That's some crazy weird stuff homie.

24:42 Caller We didn't have a condom. I know it wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do but.

24:46 Drew Well, the thing you'd worry about from that kind of behavior would really be herpes. That's not a typically not a urinary symptom. It's a skin rash.

24:54 Caller Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

24:57 Drew I'm actually more concerned that you actually sort of traumatized the urethra from all the mechanical irritation.

25:04 Caller It wasn't that much pressure. It was kind of soft and there was quite a bit of lubrication down there, but I'm sure we exchanged something and I'm thinking maybe a bladder infection, urinary infection, yeast infection, something.

25:18 Korn Maybe from the lube or something.

25:21 Drew Or just the chlamydia or gonorrhea or any of the non-gonchal diseases. That's horrible stuff. Well, I mean, the fluid is what carries those bacteria and if the fluid gets to the tip of the penis, on it goes and that's something you've got to see a doctor about and they will probably...

25:35 Korn It's a horrible test, dude. It's horrible.

25:37 Drew The test is basically putting a pipe cleaner up your urethra.

25:41 Korn When I went to mortuary college, I went to a clinic because I had this rash and of course the doctor... It was just a rash, I was allergic to my own sweat for some reason.

25:51 Drew And they thought it was syphilis? They thought it was syphilis. If it gets on your palms, they always think it was syphilis.

25:56 Korn It was palms and everything. They walked me into this room with about 20 interns, let me drop my pants and they proceeded to run pipe cleaners down it and this big steel thing with a blade on the end and they took actual flesh.

26:08 Drew Biopsies? Biopsy. Oh, in the urethra. Oh, she had a cystoscopy.

26:12 Oh my god.

26:13 Drew That is bad times. Then when they take it all out, it feels like you're peeing fire for about three hours.

26:19 Korn Oh, it was horrible.

26:21 Drew You've had a lot of experiences with the medical system, John, but they didn't know this about you.

26:24 Korn I'm telling you, dude, that's not fun. Wrap it, everybody wrap it. You don't want to go through that.

26:28 Drew Wear the condom, that's right. And listen, you got through it without actually having any serious problems. Imagine all that and then having stuff go wrong.

26:34 Korn Something go on, it's horrible.

26:36 Drew So Michael, they will probably give you a shot of a medicine called Rosefin and maybe an, and or a something you drink, a gram of something called Zithromax or Zithromycin. So look forward to that.

26:49 Korn Do they still have the pills that make you pee orange and blue?

26:51 Drew They do, the orange, but that's for the, that's to medicate your urethra so it doesn't hurt so much.

26:57 Korn Kim, 22.

26:58 Drew Yeah.

26:59 Caller Hi.

27:02 Well, when my husband and I have intercourse, I make him hit me.

27:09 Drew Oh, you make him hit you, interesting.

27:10 I mean, not, not softly. I mean, physically punch. And I don't understand why I don't know how to stop it, because if he don't do it, I don't feel anything and I get really irritable.

27:29 Interesting.

27:31 Drew I mean, I don't have to give this one some thought here.

27:34 Korn No, I'm thinking about it. It's not. I've, I've, I've met tons of girls who are into that.

27:38 My friends are into that.

27:39 Korn Choking, punching.

27:40 Drew Yeah.

27:41 Korn And not like hit me, you tap them, they'll hit me.

27:44 Drew There's a couple of things for this. One is a power and control issue that you have to feel dominated or out of control in order to feel sexual, to feel safe in a sexual situation, which is exactly the reality, the opposite of what you are. You are unsafe. Or secondly, and or, this is another issue that comes to play with all this, which is that the arousal centers in your brain have been overstimulated when you were young for some reason.

28:07 There we go.

28:09 Drew So in order to feel anything, you actually have to rouse your body in this highly arousing way. You might get into some other weird fetishistic stuff too as a way of trying to evoke something sexual, some feeling. Boy, that's something that should be treated rather than indulge, Kim, because someday you're going to get into some other stuff. It's really not going to be suitable to real relationships. The kind of guy that's going to comply with that is not necessarily a good guy. The kind of guy that you're going to be attracted to to do that for you is not necessarily a good guy. All those blows, so to speak, are going to really push you away from the relationship and not pull you into it.

28:47 Let's see, it's my husband.

28:49 Drew No, I understand, I understand.

28:52 He doesn't like doing it, but if he doesn't, I get it.

28:55 Drew Good. If he doesn't like doing it, it's a good sign. That's a good sign. But you need to get some treatment so you don't go out and cheat and do all the crazy things you're tempted to do because of the abuse history. You're sort of going down that path, aren't you?

29:10 No, I haven't cheated on him.

29:13 Drew You haven't had thoughts about that?

29:15 Not usually.

29:16 Drew All right. Well, good. Hopefully, it will stay that way. Do you live in a real small town?

29:22 Springfield.

29:23 Drew That's not that small.

29:24 In Missouri.

29:25 Drew All right, Kim. Do you have kids?

29:28 Caller I have three.

29:29 Drew Oh, my God. 22. Three kids. Mom is getting punched.

29:32 I had my first one when I was 17, my second one when I was 20, and my third one six months ago.

29:37 Drew Same dad?

29:38 Yes.

29:39 Drew Are you on medication?

29:41 No.

29:42 Drew All right, Kim.

29:43 Can you get some help, please?

29:44 Drew Yeah. Focus on being a good mom, really. That is your life now. You have relinquished the right to be crazy. You have to be stable. You have to create a stable environment. I understand what you're feeling and all. It's not bad, but it suggests something is going on, and it's good to get some treatment for that. The EMDR may have a role to play here because some of that is leftover trauma stuff and it sounds like it's pretty severe. Let's wait real quickly. Kim? Yes. Who sexually abused you?

30:11 I'd rather not say.

30:13 Drew What age did it start and when did it stop?

30:15 It started when I was five.

30:17 Drew When did your dad stop doing that?

30:18 It wasn't my dad.

30:19 Drew Oh, your brother?

30:20 No, actually it was a neighbor and my grandfather.

30:23 Drew Your grandfather. When did that stop? Were you able to stop it or did they just sort of?

30:31 Actually, I met my husband when I was 16. I moved in with him and his mom and dad.

30:36 Drew Good.

30:36 Caller All right.

30:38 Drew Kim, get some help with that. Okay. Erin, 15.

30:40 Caller Hello.

30:41 Drew Hey, Erin.

30:42 Caller Hey. My ex-girlfriend when I was in South Carolina. Yeah. We've been going out for nine years.

30:54 Drew Get to it, Erin. Here we go. Nine years. You're already 15. Excellent. When you were living in South Carolina, so maybe you were four when you started dating her. Okay.

31:05 Caller No, like seven or eight.

31:07 Drew Of course. Yes. Wow. Who doesn't start dating at seven? What's the question?

31:13 Caller When I broke up with her because I had to move, I moved back there for a little while. And when I moved back, she had returned lesbian, okay? Okay.

31:25 Drew Well.

31:25 Caller And she blamed that on me.

31:28 Drew Were you having sex with her when you were a little kid?

31:31 Caller Well, not when we were like seven or eight, but when we were about 13.

31:37 Drew 13. And did anybody sexually abuse her when she was growing up?

31:40 Caller No. I've known her all my life.

31:43 Drew It's convenient to blame you, but I wouldn't, it's not as simple as that. If somebody's sexual orientation is not the result typically of a single relationship, particularly not the kind you're describing. Something to do with their family, something to do with their genetics. And oftentimes women, when they're brutalized by men, will sort of go that direction. But didn't think, Aaron was saying how brutal could he have been.

32:03 Korn No, I couldn't be brutal.

32:05 Drew All right. Here's Siobhan 20 has something to say to Jonathan Davis from Korn.

32:09 Caller Yeah.

32:10 Korn Hello?

32:10 Drew Siobhan?

32:11 Caller Hello.

32:13 Drew What's up?

32:14 Caller Dude, John Davis, you are my hero.

32:18 Caller Well, thank you.

32:19 Caller And it was funny because I was just talking to my mom, and my mom goes, say Siobhan, what are you going to name your first kid? I was in like sixth grade, and I fell in love, and I have been in love with Korn ever since.

33:01 Drew Hey, Siobhan. Thank you.

33:02 Caller I thought you were awesome.

33:04 Drew Why don't you introduce the next song?

33:06 Caller What's the next song?

33:07 Drew Twisted Transistor. Tell us about it.

33:10 Caller Twisted Transistor. That is a sick song. And everybody better enjoy it because it is a s-

33:17 Drew Oh, thanks, Siobhan. Well, now we have to reset. Thank you, Siobhan. Now we have to reset our entire system here because she let a big old expletive bomb go in describing his-

33:26 Korn I call it the bomb now.

33:27 Drew Yeah, she had very intense feelings about the- What's that?

33:30 Korn I called it too.

33:31 Caller I'm like, she's about to cuss in a second now.

33:33 Drew You got it. You hit it right.

33:34 Korn I knew it was coming.

33:35 Drew Yeah. Well, anyway, Jonathan, David, Korn, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself? Just don't use the S. Don't use the S or the F word.

33:40 Korn I won't use the S or I won't drop no bombs. All right. This is our new single. It's Twisted Transistor. It's off our new album that's in stores now. See you on the other side. Check this song out. It's great.

33:53 Caller The guy is going to play the song though. The song is not being played. So I'm going to kill some time here. And hopefully you guys are going to play the song. If not, then I'm going to have to say it's time to go to commercial here on Loveline. Thank you very much.

34:12 Drew All right, so I just caught your technical issues here on Loveline. The phone number is 1-800-LOVE-191. Jonathan Dave is here from Korn. And we are hellbent in hearing a song. So we're going to now listen to it.

34:24 Korn Now we're going to try Twisted Transistor again.

34:27 Drew Oh boy. Hang on here. Here we go. And Twisted Transistor.

34:31 Korn And Twisted Transistor. This is a great radio.

34:33 Drew This is awesome radio.

34:34 Caller I think the transistor is twisted.

34:36 Drew John, let's talk about the morgue again.

34:38 Korn OK, let's talk about the morgue dead and weird stuff.

34:40 Drew Yeah, so, but you even, when you were doing forensic work, you had saw a lot of stuff you didn't want to see. And then you still went on into mortician school?

34:47 Korn Yeah.

34:49 Drew With all the panic and stuff still going on?

34:51 Korn I didn't have panic at the time. I got to panic from insanely large amounts of methamphetamines.

34:57 Drew Oh, well, that'll do that.

34:58 Korn That'll do that. Yeah, I went through that whole thing. I've been sober now for seven years.

35:01 Drew Congratulations.

35:02 Korn But before that, before when the band started, I was a really bad speed freak. And then once we started going on the road, I couldn't keep doing that, staying up.

35:09 Drew Do you have any memory problems left over from that? Yeah, so bad. It'll do that. Yeah.

35:13 Korn My wife wants to kill me. I forget. I forget everything.

35:17 Drew Yeah, she thinks you're intending to do stuff. Hold on, we're talking.

35:20 Korn We're talking about the meth now.

35:21 Drew Don't do that stuff here. And then it leaves you with mood problems, too. I tell you about meth. It hits that same mood center.

35:28 Korn I don't want to have a really bad mood problem because I take so much, you know, I'm on medication.

35:32 Drew But that's what requires that.

35:33 Korn Probably.

35:33 Drew You're just compensated for that. It supports that biology so you don't feel bad anymore. But off the medicine, I bet you feel like hell. Yeah, I did. So, Ann's coming in. We got it. We're going to go. Twisted transistor. Here we go, Korn. That's Korn and Jonathan Davis. See you on the other side of the CD. The song is Christian Transistor. Didn't want to get played tonight, but we finally heard it.

39:00 Korn That was crazy.

39:01 Drew It was crazy. Let's get some quick calls in here before we have to yet another break. Here is Brad 19.

39:07 Yeah, I was going to get right to have sex with this girl, right? And I just could not get hard for some reason.

39:16 Drew Was this your first time out?

39:17 Caller No.

39:19 Drew Are you very experienced?

39:22 Caller No, I mean, not really.

39:24 Drew Most men early on have some issues like this.

39:27 Korn I got stage fright at times.

39:29 Drew Yeah. And it's very common early on. It's common with a new partner. And if you've had it happen recently where you can't get an erection, you start obsessing that it's going to happen again, you're going to make it happen again. So, Brad, you need to get back out there and have some success.

39:44 Korn Get some business, brother.

39:45 Drew Yeah. But I think the easiest way to do that, or the most, I hate to say encouraging a 19 year old to go have sex, but the most efficacious way of doing this is to get a relationship going first. So if you feel comfortable with that person, you feel secure with them, you feel like you re sort of in a non-threatening environment, things kind of take care of themselves. All right?

40:07 Caller All right.

40:07 Drew Efficacious. Efficacious. Wow. Right, Brad?

40:11 Caller All right.

40:11 Caller Thank you.

40:11 Drew All right. Good luck now. This is Zane, 16.

40:15 Caller Hey, I have a couple of questions for Jonathan Davis, but first I d like to say that Drew, you re a genius and I ve been listening to the show since I was like 10 or so.

40:26 Drew Good times.

40:27 Caller And John, you re one of my heroes. I ve been listening to your music forever. My first question is, when is the elementary website going to be back up?

40:43 Korn Right now, it's just in limbo, because I think the music business right now, it's in a really weird state, and I didn't feel right signing bands to a label the old way and taking advantage of bands and the label that I'm through, whatever label it would be, my label would be through taking advantage of the bands. If I'm really into a band, I'll work hard and try to get you signed through indie labels where you're not going to get a lot of money, but they do care and they do, you know, put your music out there. But I didn't feel right signing bands to a regular record deal when I just signed something was so different. It seemed kind of hypocritical. So it's it's it's done right now. But when I find stuff I like, I can pass it on to other people.

41:32 Caller Yeah. Yeah.

41:33 Drew All right, Zane, thanks, buddy.

41:36 Caller I have another question very quickly, sir. Okay. Where where did you get the inspiration for this new album? Because it seems a lot different than the other stuff that you guys have put out.

41:49 Korn I think the sole inspiration came from the trauma we had with head leaving the band. I think we took that. We definitely took that situation and turned it into something positive. And it forced us all to come together as a closer unit. We became way better friends and really it did something to us to make us, you know, we wanted to prove ourselves again and do something really different. And, you know, Monk stepped up and started playing the guitar, you know, riffs of his lifetime. He really came up. And when it first happened, he was freaking out like, how am I going to play these songs? How am I going to play the old songs? How am I going to do things now that I don't have had? Because he's always had someone to bounce ideas off of. And he didn't have that anymore. So there was a time there where he was freaking out. But then he finally just stopped living in the past and started thinking right now. And it really all came together. Everybody, David and Fieldie are the tightest they've ever played together. With Fieldie he stepped it up because he really experimented with, he didn't have so much of his sound that he's always been that really clicky bass. He was like, I want to try to do something different and be more of a support for the band and all the click in front and me lyrically and vocally the melodies. There's a lot of different things going on, but the main thing was just experimenting and doing something totally completely different.

43:09 Drew Mrs. Stephanie 21, Stephanie.

43:11 Caller Oh my God. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hi, Jonathan Davis. I just really wanted to call and really just tell you thank you so much for making your music, for Korn, for everything. I can't believe I'm talking to you right now.

43:23 Korn Oh, thank you, honey.

43:25 Caller They're really calm and I'm like, you people don't understand.

43:27 Caller You're talking to Jonathan Davis, of course.

43:30 Korn I'm a normal person. I'm just like you.

43:32 Drew Who worked in the morgue and who did EMDR.

43:33 Korn I worked in the morgue and had EMDR and had all kinds of problems that we're going to talk about later. Dr. Drew Loveline keeps listening because he's getting deeper into my problems.

43:43 Caller I just really wanted to thank you for coming out with the new album.

43:46 Caller It's awesome.

43:47 Caller As soon as it came out, me and my son, Myo and Anna, we went out and bought like five copies by accident and we don't want to return any of them.

43:54 Korn Thank you very much.

43:56 Caller We're already part of the website. We're waiting basically by the phone, by the radio waiting to hear for tour dates.

44:05 Caller When can we go?

44:06 Caller We try to go to every show we can except we're poor, but we do our best.

44:10 Korn You do your best. That's the reason why we do this because we have such great friends like you guys.

44:14 Drew You will be out on the road in February, tell me.

44:15 Korn We're going to be out on the road in February.

44:17 Drew Stephanie, keep watching that website. It's www.korn.com. They'll have the tours listed up there. Jonathan Davis from Korn. We're going to hear more off the album. We're going to talk about methamphetamine, we're going to talk about Morgues, and EMDR, and pirate kids, and all kinds of awesome things are when we get back. But first, we have a couple of just a brief break, and Jonathan and I are going to sit here and talk about things you can't hear. See you. Hey everybody, it's Loveline 1-800-LOVE-191, Jonathan Davis from Korn is in the show tonight. How, Harry? And as promised, Meth and Morgues. That's where we're going to go. Meth, Morgues and Morgues. That's where we're going to go tonight. That's a good new store. All right. Meth, Morgues and Morgues, simply us. So you had an amphetamine issue for quite a while.

45:06 Korn Yes, I did.

45:07 Drew And did you notice the kind of paranoia as you developed on Meth? I don't know.

45:11 Korn I never started talking and seeing shadows and all that stuff.

45:14 Drew Did you?

45:14 Korn Yes, I would start to think weird thoughts about being from another planet. And just this, I guess, sleep deprivation psychosis, you call it or something. I don't know.

45:25 Drew It gets pretty crazy. Some of it is sleep deprivation, but a lot of it is the direct effect of the amphetamine. There's a very, very typical psychosis that you do get from amphetamine. It's a thought and a preoccupation, usually about people close to you. You start thinking your friends are ganging up on you, you start thinking your neighbors are plotting something.

45:41 Korn I never got to, but I knew people that they got that way. They called me up and said, I need your night vision goggles right now because I see the cops outside and there are helicopters over there and they're following me.

45:50 Drew Those are all cocaine? Oh, the following. Yeah, the following is amphetamine.

45:52 Korn The following.

45:52 Drew Yeah, they're following me around. My grandmother sent them because they know I'm this and that.

45:57 Korn I've watched people just bug out like that. That never happened to me. Thank God.

46:01 Drew That's good times. Now most amphetamine addiction begins as marijuana. In other words, in most cases, marijuana is the first drug. It would be the drug you would stay with except it kind of wears off and you start looking for something else and then amphetamine is the one that you have. You went right to amphetamine.

46:16 Korn I went from amphetamines and to go to sleep, I'd smoke weed.

46:19 Drew So you were doing both at the same time?

46:21 Korn Yeah, that was one of those times I'd shut her down. Definitely. But that usually didn't work.

46:26 Drew You wouldn't shut down?

46:27 Korn No. And we were talking-

46:29 Drew And spin?

46:30 Korn Spin and just spin out and spin more and finally go to sleep.

46:34 Drew We were talking a little bit in the last hour about the kinds of symptoms you have now left over from amphetamine.

46:38 Korn And memory issues real bad.

46:41 Drew Short term memory.

46:42 Korn Short term memory. All the time people go, you don't remember? Just two hours ago telling me something. And it's gone. It's not even there. It's like, what are you talking about? It's really frustrating. Very frustrating.

46:55 Drew And mood problems?

46:57 Korn The mood problems would, I guess, be fixed when I started taking Prozac and I had depressants. But I guess there were times where I got a little crazy early on.

47:06 Drew With depression?

47:07 Korn Yeah, well, yeah, definitely.

47:08 Drew And panic, usually, too.

47:09 Korn And the panic attack started really, really bad. That's like, it was started about three or four years after I quit.

47:15 Drew I'm trying to hook in all that with what you were doing in the morgue. So you were working in the morgue. You started having PTSD on top of that?

47:23 Korn Yeah, that started after. I mean, I didn't start doing meth until I was away from the morgue and everything.

47:29 Drew So it wasn't like you were trying to manage the feelings of post-traumatic stress or something from the morgue? And you went to drugs?

47:34 Korn No, that's when I got, I started really doing it heavily when I got in the band.

47:37 Drew So is it the road that did that?

47:39 Korn No, it was before we were insigned. Really? Yeah. I really got into it. The people we were rehearsing in our rehearsal studio, the people around there had a lot of that around there and it was readily available to me and I just started going gung-ho. I'd be up for six, seven days at a time. And that's how a lot of fans asked me, where did Twist of Song Twist? I'm just talking to all this gibberish that came from a seven-day bender. I just out of nowhere started just barking.

48:07 Drew Speaking in tongues.

48:08 Korn Speaking in tongues for no reason and Ross heard it and said, yeah, do that. I'm a producer and that's how that was born.

48:14 Drew You've got to love your producer's manager. I love that.

48:18 Korn Can I give him some more?

48:19 Caller Whatever he needs.

48:21 Korn It's genius. Once I got back on the road and we went on our first tour, I went to sleep for about two weeks. Then I couldn't touch it again after that because I need to sleep to perform.

48:33 Drew So it wasn't like you were using speed to deal with the road.

48:36 Korn No, I just liked the way it made me feel. It was one for just staying up and being creative and two for sex. It's an amazing sex drug.

48:42 Drew For you guys, some people it shuts you down sexually.

48:44 Korn No, it keeps me going.

48:46 Drew It keeps you longer? Longer, yes.

48:49 Korn It has sessions for six to eight hours sometimes. Right.

48:51 Drew We can't ejaculate because it suppresses that.

48:54 Korn Well, yes, it takes about that long too. We finally do it. It's amazing.

48:59 Drew It's good that we're discouraging all the amphetamine experimenters out there.

49:03 Korn Well, I'm sorry about that, but I'm just speaking truth right now. But the long term and the people I've seen and all the people, that stuff is worse than the heroin, man. I've seen so many people's lives destroyed by that.

49:16 Drew I mean, opiates don't hurt you. They just cause horrible, horrible addictions. So, the things you do to get the heroin and how you administer that kind of stuff, the heroin is worse. But in terms of what the drug does to you, the speed does worse things. Did you have the picking syndrome? We picked and see you got ulcers in your skin and stuff? You think you had glass in there or a bug? What were you thinking? That's an hallucination.

49:35 Korn You're just like, what is this? You start picking and you just keep digging.

49:40 Drew Yeah, until you make a hole.

49:41 Korn There's a hole and you're bleeding and you're still digging. It's like all this crazy, just disgusting stuff.

49:45 Drew People do it in their face, they do it in their face and their arms.

49:47 Korn Yeah, you start looking like you got chicken pox or something.

49:49 Drew What happened to you? People think, oh that's an amphetamine rash. No, no, it's not a rash. People dig with their fingernails until they get those ulcers called the Picker Syndrome.

49:57 Korn Picking and bad stuff.

50:00 Drew Good times, huh?

50:01 Korn Yeah.

50:03 Drew Here's an amphetamine addict who wants to talk. Tim, 29.

50:07 Caller Yeah, I'm a recovering, newly recovering speed addict. Lately, I've been shooting myself up with just empty syringes just to get the feeling of it, with no dope.

50:19 Drew Yeah, that's not what you call recovering. That's relapse.

50:23 Caller No dope, though.

50:24 Drew Yeah, the clock is ticking on that one.

50:26 Korn Yeah, sometimes I'd snort salt just to feel the burn.

50:31 Drew Right, you need to talk to your sponsor, Tim. Your recovery is not intact right now.

50:36 Caller What? I've never been to recovery. My recovery is my buddy overdosed.

50:39 Drew All right, well, this is the problem.

50:41 Caller I haven't done it since he overdosed.

50:42 Drew Yes, but listen, you're going to either harm yourself by injecting some air or causing a bacteria into your vein. This is not good. You need help right now. You are not going to survive what you're doing here. And it's only a matter of time before you use something else or get back to the speed. I mean, you just can't be flirting with it like that and not go back. That's your brain telling you, do something. And eventually that something is going to include the drug and alcohol. This is Katrina19. What's up? You're on with Jonathan Davis from Korn.

51:14 Caller Oh my God. That's amazing.

51:16 Drew How about that?

51:19 Caller Sorry.

51:20 Drew Pretty awesome.

51:20 Korn Hold on.

51:23 Drew I don't think you inspire this in people.

51:24 Korn Hey man, I just want people to speak their minds.

51:27 Drew I do too.

51:27 Korn I don't understand why this country saying bad words is so bad. Everyone hears them every day. Everybody sees this every day. I love Europe. Like over there.

51:35 Drew You can be an adult over there?

51:36 Korn You can be an adult. People know what those words are. I just don't understand this country sometimes.

51:40 Drew I know, but in the meantime.

51:41 Korn But in the meantime, you don't want to get fined like a half million dollars.

51:44 Drew So. But not only that, people need to sort of be aware of their environment. You know what I mean?

51:47 Korn Yeah, but they're not used to being on the radio. So you got to give them some slack. She tried to correct herself.

51:52 Drew I'm prepared to give people slack. I really am. And I wish it were a different world. But remember, buddy, you are coming on the radio. It is under FCC supervision. And in the meantime, we all behave like good citizens. And there will come a day when people can speak more freely. And that will be that. Katrina, what's up, 19?

52:07 Caller OK, so here's the deal. By the way, I love your music.

52:11 Caller Thank you.

52:13 Caller Well, I've been dating this guy for three months. It's getting pretty serious. And he's actually married to a lesbian.

52:25 Korn Wow.

52:26 Caller And I know that sounds crazy, but it's for it's for financial reasons.

52:32 Korn Taxes.

52:34 Caller Yeah, the paperwork part of it.

52:36 Caller Yeah.

52:36 Drew By the way, that sounds more crazy to me.

52:40 Caller Wow.

52:41 Drew That sounds even more crazy, Katrina. So, A, I don't believe it, first of all. I believe it, too.

52:46 Korn Yeah, I've heard people do that.

52:48 Caller No, honestly, because she's in the service. It gets her financial help, it gets him benefits.

52:56 Drew Yes, yes. I have heard people get married in the service just for a business. Yes, I have heard that. Okay, now it starts to fall together.

53:02 Caller Yeah. So, we've been together three months, getting pretty serious, falling in love, all that fun stuff. I want to know if I should ask him to get a divorce.

53:14 Drew You're 19. How old is he?

53:16 Caller 22.

53:18 Drew In a way, this marriage is protecting you from getting married too soon.

53:22 Caller No, I don't. I honestly don't want to get married, but the factor is, I've grown up in a normal lifestyle. For me, he calls her all the time, and he titles her as a wife. You know, like, oh, my wife's on the phone. To me, it's disrespectful, because I'm the one who's supposed to be it all.

53:47 Drew Well, it sounds more like there's more going on here than just the lesbian and the straight guy. The fact that he refers to her that way, the fact that you feel a connection that he has with her, that you're sort of being... that takes it away, takes part of your relationship away, so his intimacy is sort of focused somewhere else. That does not sound like a relationship with a lesbian. So, it may be that you're being deceived. That's one concern. And secondly, I think it's reasonable for you to ask him to sort of limit his contact with her if it's really just a financial arrangement and they have merely business relations.

54:25 Caller Well, and he tells me that he's trying to play nice with her because she could really like screw him over in the long run, you know? And I think they have developed a friendship. He said there's been no sexual anything, like they kissed on the wedding day and, you know?

54:43 Drew Why don't you have a chat with this young lady?

54:47 Caller I've tried to, but the situation bothers me so much that I can't befriend her, you know?

54:52 Caller I can't like, like, she, you know, like...

54:55 Drew He has let you talk to her?

54:57 Caller Yeah.

54:58 Drew Well, that's pretty good. So it's not like he's hiding you or...

55:01 Caller No, and I've known him for a long time and I've met, I knew, I knew when I got into this that they were married for this reason and I've met her partner and all that stuff. Like, it's not, like, it's weird now, it wasn't weird before and now it's just like, it's just like morals, like my morals are like, like kind of eating away at me. You see what I'm saying?

55:24 Drew Yeah, well, he's manipulating the system. He's a liar basically, he's a cheater, but he's not cheating in the relationship, he's cheating the system. What do you think, Jonathan?

55:31 Korn I think that too.

55:33 Drew And so she's, alright, so you're involved with a liar, you have to either accept that or not, and a cheater, and that's him.

55:38 Korn I think there's that little voice inside your head saying, you're listening to it and it's telling you not to do this and it's upsetting you.

55:46 Drew Not to go further with this guy. Unless you can straighten things out and be more honest.

55:49 Korn Yeah, you're just morally, there's a voice inside your head. Your moral compass is sort of spinning and telling you, this ain't right and you're fighting against it.

55:57 Drew Yeah, and it isn't right, as you're saying. You grew up in a normal family with general, stable boundaries and normal intimacies and you're only 19.

56:05 Korn Number one, don't get married. I did it and it never ends up good.

56:10 Drew Your relationships at 19 are supposed to end and maybe this one is sort of right, of course. He is busy working the system and that's something you don't agree with. By the way, people don't do that just once. That's the kind of thing. That's who they are. They end up that person who is sort of a liar and a cheater. Oftentimes it does bleed into the relationships. Not just Uncle Sam, they start cheating. It's Aunt Sally also. This is Amy, 15.

56:38 Caller Amy? Yeah, first off, your music is awesome.

56:42 Drew Thank you. That's Korn, John and David. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191.

56:47 Korn Go ahead, Amy.

56:50 Caller Your music is awesome and then also I feel kind of guilty right now because something that happened with me and my ex-boyfriend, he told me he was 20 and then he turned out I found his ID and it turned out he was 30. And then my mom read my journal and now he's calling to jail and that kind of sucks.

57:19 Drew It kind of sucks for you that you're not with somebody you thought was somebody you were close to but he belongs in jail.

57:27 Korn Yeah, that's not right.

57:32 Caller I can see where that is right but then I can see where it was my fault because it makes me feel so bad because I know what either was wrong and then I know that also but I know that I did care about him a lot and that...

57:45 Drew Amy, here's what I want you to do. Just hold off feeling responsible for this or even examining it until you're like about twenty two and then I want you to look at guys your age and imagine them with a fifteen-year-old and you will retch and then think oh my god I would I was the guy that wasn't twenty two he was frickin thirty he was thirty he was a absolute child abuser and you will absolutely you will retch when you realize who that guy is you can't see it now because you're fifteen from your perspective he's this wonderful prince and you know shouldn't it's night and shining armor no he is a sick guy who is taking advantage of you you're not in a position to be responsible for this because any healthy adult would never allow this to happen the thing is I know that it's not I know that I'm not really it's not something that was supposed to happen and I know that it's not something he should have done or anything but it's there to protect you protect these laws yeah I know that it's just like it happened and now I can't like actually trust anyone right this is why those laws are there this is it because this is trauma traumatic this can affect your relationships it can affect how you feel about men why don't you get some help with this Amy talk to somebody I do I have help all right what do you do working on therapy I've been in the hospital and I have you tried to kill yourself not over that but like I've always had some problems with depression and we abuse when you're a kid I was but that was like a long time ago yeah that's called sexual abuse and that's what sets you up to be a good victim by other pedophiles and this guy worked it beautifully masterfully he took your trauma and just played it like a Stravinsky like like like a Stradivarius rather come on Amy this is horrible you were taken advantage of you've been victimized now twice by men stay with the groups stay in therapy you deserve better than this okay okay if you're not responsible for any of this the way know this the way you're thinking about it I know you feel like you're responsible for everything in the world that happens to you and right now you're a victim and I don't mean to say that you should capitulate to being a victim I'm just saying you've been cited as a victim you've been victimized these weren't your fault now let's take control of your life and move forward and stop being that victim and stop being around stop stop start realizing when you're attracted to these guys you have to step back and go I wonder what kind of guy this is that would be older than me be an adult and be interested in showing me attention because I know it feels good but it means something Candace 18 hi Dr. Drew hey Candace what's happening you're on with Jonathan Davis from Korn hello hi Jonathan you're the man you know thank you very much Joan I've been a fan since I was like 11 years old and followed when I came out nice awesome did you get to see you on the other side yet no I actually I'm between jobs so I have no money what kind of work do you do I'm a waitress that'd be a lot of work like that out there isn't there yeah but it's hard to get a job you're calling from Massachusetts you guys get dumped on snow what yeah definitely you were there during that during the dump right when the dump started a while airplane oh no what's on the road we're trying to get out of it we got out right before Logan or Bradley or we're in in Massachusetts Boston Logan Logan I guess yeah what's up Candice all right well I got a question to Jonathan but I also got a question for you Dr. Drew yeah okay all right my question for you Dr. Drew is all right I've been hanging out with this guy lately and he's a little older than me he just 1030 and you're 18 yeah we're both kind of iffy about you know what's going to happen between us because we like each other we don't know where to go with it because we don't know if it's like right or wrong or whatever the main reason for that is my mother is only 35 so she was like 17 when she had you yeah right before she turned 17 she's still where's your dad been my father still with my mom he's what my father still with my mother and was he also 16 17 when he's 37 so he's just your boyfriend's age pretty much well look you're 18 you're an egg I said he's almost sort of just jumping in yeah jumping in and letting your attraction sort of dictate you what you know how you behave here's the deal just think about it this way you're barely an adult he is supposed to be sort of setting up shop and getting on with his life you're very very different places in your life and how about when you're 28 and he's 40 how's that going to feel yeah I was kind of thinking so it's that you're in your he already has two kids oh you're taking you're taking on an awful lot here Candace but it's not as though you're 15 or 16 or even 17 you're 18 you're an adult and you're with another adult it's different than if you were a couple years younger but you're still in such a different place in your life you're only asking for trouble what's your question for Jonathan All right.

1:03:00 Caller I got this little band right and I was wondering how you'd feel if you ever heard a girl singing your songs.

1:03:06 Korn I think it would be awesome. Really?

1:03:08 Drew Yeah.

1:03:08 Caller That's awesome.

1:03:09 Korn I'm all down for that.

1:03:10 Caller That would be really cool.

1:03:13 That is so cool.

1:03:14 Korn Right on honey.

1:03:17 Drew Where are you covering his songs? What are you doing? Are you out there performing his songs now? Or are you just thinking about it?

1:03:24 Caller I just, me and my friends have thought about it a little bit. Do it. I had the opportunity to talk to you. I decided to ask you what you felt about it.

1:03:35 Korn That would be awesome. It's also something about Boston or Massachusetts. We saw two cover bands there. One night me and Fieldy rolled up to this bar and we saw a corn cover band and we jumped on stage and took their stuff and played with them.

1:03:46 Drew Oh, how fast. They must have gone insane.

1:03:49 Did they know you were going to be there?

1:03:50 Korn No, we just showed up.

1:03:52 Drew That's an awesome story. Where were you exactly?

1:03:53 Korn We were in Boston. Where? Do you remember? I don't know the name of the club or anything. But we heard that there was a corn cover band playing somewhere. We found out where and we rolled over there and it was a pretty cool night.

1:04:06 Drew Oh, how fun. This is John 28 for Jonathan. What's up, John?

1:04:11 Caller Hey, yeah.

1:04:12 Korn I just wanted to talk to Jonathan about when he's going to come back to Phoenix.

1:04:16 I heard he's going to come to the rifle company. I just wanted to find out when.

1:04:20 Drew The rifle company?

1:04:21 Korn The rifle company.

1:04:22 Who knows what I'm talking about?

1:04:23 McMillan?

1:04:24 Korn Oh, McMillan. I'm going to be over there. Well, I go there because I got family there, so I'm there all the time. But touring, we're going to start a tour in the end of February.

1:04:37 Drew You're going to be in Phoenix?

1:04:38 Korn Yeah. My wife and family.

1:04:39 Drew Not at the McMillan Rifle Factory?

1:04:41 Korn No, I like the McMillan Rifle Factory because I buy rifles from there. I love long-range shooting.

1:04:46 You were here about a year and a half ago, right?

1:04:47 Korn Yeah. I'm going to come back. I want to see Rock and everyone down there. Yeah. It would be cool if you came here. But we need to know where you're going to come because I'm going to call the second ship people. Oh, yeah. I'll definitely call you guys.

1:04:59 Okay.

1:05:00 Korn So February, we'll be playing. Okay.

1:05:02 Caller I love number 14 on your new album.

1:05:05 That song is so cool because it's just your voice singing.

1:05:07 Caller So I mean-

1:05:08 Drew You got to look it up. Hold on.

1:05:10 Korn Oh, yeah. Tearjerker. That song is crazy because it's something we've never ever done before. It's all more electronic based and it's just a really fragile song about sometimes just dealing with my depression. Sometimes, I guess, like you said, I get in those moods where I feel like-

1:05:27 Drew Even on the meds.

1:05:28 Korn Even on the meds, even where I feel like not even my wife, my best friend in the world could understand what I'm feeling like. So ultimately, you feel alone. So that's what that song is about. It's really fragile. It's just me and my voice. My voice and this little droning things in the background and it explodes at the end. It's a really cool song. So it's called Tear Jerker.

1:05:46 Drew Tear Jerker. We're going to hear something more from the new CD. See you on the other side. But first, we are going to take a break. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. We'll be back with Jonathan Davis right after this. All right, Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. Korn, it's Jonathan Davis in here with us tonight. Lots and lots of props for him, lots of questions.

1:06:13 Korn In the house.

1:06:14 Drew Here's one right now, Paul 18, has a question about being a mortician.

1:06:17 Korn Paul.

1:06:19 Drew Yes. Oh, he sounds like a mortician. Paul, just say a few more words to us, will you?

1:06:25 Caller Sure.

1:06:25 Drew Give us your question.

1:06:27 Caller Yeah, I was wondering about what kind of college I go to for being a mortician and everything.

1:06:32 Korn Oh, I hear you go about it. First thing I do is either you can do a two-year internship.

1:06:37 Caller Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but it's hard to find other places because I call mortuaries and all. They do other people outside and bombings.

1:06:43 Korn Yeah, so you got to find that. That's the hard part. You got to do that.

1:06:45 Drew I remember at the LA County USC, we used to have mortician students in there hanging out in the autopsy rooms and stuff. Paul, what attracts you to all that?

1:06:55 Caller Truly, I don't know. Death's enthousiasme.

1:06:59 Drew It enthousiasms you?

1:07:00 Caller Yeah.

1:07:03 Drew Jonathan, can you shed more light on what attracts you to all that? Is it a mastery over that? Is it a fear of death that gets turned into a... Sometimes when you're...

1:07:13 Korn You know you can't really do this, Neil. A lot of people go into the mortuary science college. Yeah. Because it's usually a family run business but it's been taken over by a lot of big corporations now. But usually it was a family thing and they go to the schools. But these people just get into it because they like it. There's a morbid curiosity with that.

1:07:29 Drew Is there anything...

1:07:30 Caller Right.

1:07:30 Drew Is there a common sort of personality or intrusion?

1:07:33 Korn We're just usually freaks. People that outcast, the ones that like to think... When I was doing that in high school, people just were scared of me.

1:07:41 Caller Oh, really?

1:07:41 Drew Do you like that? Kind of, yeah.

1:07:43 Korn I kept people away from me because I hate people. They irritate me.

1:07:46 Drew Do you hate people now?

1:07:47 Korn No. I generally hate people. I like individuals. That's my thing.

1:07:53 Drew This is interesting. I'm watching you feel good getting props from people. I can tell that feels good to you. So you like getting positive from people. The fact that they could go bad on you would be threatening or negative or make you vulnerable.

1:08:07 Korn Negative doesn't get me.

1:08:08 Drew Doesn't bother you. You like crowds. You like the 200,000 at Woodstock. That felt good.

1:08:12 Korn That feels good. I don't know.

1:08:16 Drew I think it's just- The small groups, like social groups about you?

1:08:19 Korn I guess it would be social groups. I had a horrible time going through high school because of just being picked on, being called a homosexual my whole life. People thought I was gay because I lived in Bakersfield and at that time it was a very hick town. It's not that way anymore.

1:08:32 Drew Oh yeah, cosmopolitan now.

1:08:34 Korn It's way better than it was a long time ago. But anyway, I was into Duran Duran and the new romantic scene back in the early 80s. So I wore eyeliner. Thanks, man. Eyeliner and stuff like that. So I got teased a lot.

1:08:45 Drew So you had a lot of rednecks there then? Yeah.

1:08:47 Korn Well, not rednecks. It's just jock mentality. Oh, I see. Interesting. I guess it's just left over from that.

1:08:54 Drew But then, doesn't being in front of people help you?

1:08:58 Korn It's changed me definitely.

1:08:59 Drew You like that. You like that.

1:09:00 Korn I like being in front of people and people like our band. Great. If they don't like our band, I don't really care anymore.

1:09:06 Drew But it helped you overcome some of those boundaries to relationships and closeness and stuff.

1:09:12 Korn It gave me self-confidence.

1:09:13 Drew I believe that's what...

1:09:15 Korn It was something good. It gave me confidence in myself.

1:09:18 Drew I really believe that sometimes what makes people perform is that they have something about their ability to make contact with other people that's not right. And the audience provides that and then fills them and then they get better with the individual. Because the individuals start coming to you now.

1:09:31 Korn Yeah.

1:09:31 Drew Right? They're interested in you. They come to give you pop-pops and that feels good.

1:09:34 Korn Yeah, it feels really good. It's like a group of people I like. I mean, there's other groups of people I can't stand.

1:09:39 Drew Was your family of origin anything going on there?

1:09:42 Korn Nothing with my family.

1:09:43 Drew I mean, was it a stable family?

1:09:45 Korn Yeah, a divorce, definitely.

1:09:46 Drew How old were you when they divorced? Three. Oh, did you have a relationship with your dad growing up?

1:09:50 Korn Yeah, he was on the road too, but he was a musician. Oh, interesting.

1:09:53 Drew And a good relationship? Yeah. And his mom was cool?

1:09:56 Korn Everything was good, yeah.

1:09:57 Drew Interesting. That's really interesting. Okay, here's Brandon, 18. Brandon?

1:10:00 Caller Hey, first off, I just want to say I'm from Bakersfield.

1:10:05 Korn Right on, bro.

1:10:05 Drew Sorry, I mean right on.

1:10:07 Caller I've been a corn fan since I was in sixth grade, and now I just got out of high school. So anyways, here's my problem, okay?

1:10:17 Korn Okay.

1:10:18 Caller So I live with my ex-girlfriend.

1:10:23 Drew Why is she your ex?

1:10:25 Caller Well, because I couldn't really stand her.

1:10:31 Drew Then why do you still live with her?

1:10:33 Caller Well, let me give you the background.

1:10:36 Drew I mean, you're sort of the worst of all worlds then. You're still the same person you can't stand, but you're not having sex anymore.

1:10:42 Caller It gets worse.

1:10:43 Drew Oh, I'm sure.

1:10:46 Caller You see, I've woken up with her having sex with me in the middle of the night.

1:10:52 Korn Oh, midnight bandit.

1:10:54 Caller Just kind of pushed her off because I was going to go, you know?

1:11:01 Drew What?

1:11:02 Korn Who's going to go? Blow his load.

1:11:03 Drew Oh, she wants to get pregnant?

1:11:07 Caller Yeah, she's trying to have me get her pregnant. Yeah. All right. But I also live with my other two roommates, and so I kind of do a pretty good job of just ignoring her. But she's constantly crying and everything. I don't know. Should I just like...

1:11:22 Drew Get out. Get out. Yeah. Are you kidding? Not only are you torturing her, you're torturing yourself.

1:11:28 Caller Well, yeah, because, you know, like, she just goes crazy and...

1:11:31 Drew Look, listen, come on. What if you were totally into her and you still live with her all the time and you saw her with other guys and you still had sex with her but she wouldn't really ever respond to you? Come on. It's brutal.

1:11:41 Caller I know. It's not like I don't put it out there in front of her, but...

1:11:45 Drew Yeah, you got to go. That's right. I got to go. That's right. Kirsten, or Kirsten, 15.

1:11:50 Caller Hi.

1:11:51 Drew Hey, what's up?

1:11:51 Caller Hi.

1:11:52 Caller I was wondering, how can you tell if people are bi?

1:11:56 Drew They have sex with men and women.

1:11:58 Korn And men and women.

1:11:59 Caller Well, I don't have sex besides that. Like in high school and stuff. How can you tell if people are bi?

1:12:12 Korn How can you tell if they are bi? I mean, there's no way you can, how do you tell a gay person, how do you tell a straight person? You don't know until you get to know them.

1:12:19 Drew Are you trying to decide what you are?

1:12:21 Yeah.

1:12:22 Drew I suggest you don't try to decide. They don't declare you're major until you're about 18. People think all kinds of funky thoughts at 15, 16.

1:12:29 Korn Yeah, you have to determine it and try and figure it out.

1:12:34 Drew Were you abused sexually or something like that growing up?

1:12:39 Caller Kind of.

1:12:40 Drew Okay. Well, that'll screw up your sexual identity. That makes it very difficult to figure out what you are. It scrambles the trajectory of your sexual orientation, the trajectory of your development. You need to tell somebody, you need to get some treatment for that. Above all else, the things you think are good ideas are probably not right now. Don't act on your feelings. Just kind of hold it in, think about things. Just keep a simple profile. Don't have sex with lots of guys. Don't experiment with girls is the way you're going to figure out what you are. Just sit back and kind of think about things. Realize the fact that you've been sexually abused is going to make you attracted to people that will continue that cycle of abuse. You see that? The girls you run into on the road, the guys and the women that throw themselves at you, they're a profile to that type?

1:13:28 Korn Yeah. Who is that?

1:13:31 Drew You just can see them. Abuse survivors for the most part?

1:13:33 Korn Definitely.

1:13:35 Drew What is that? There's a lot of abuse out there. They present themselves too, right? They present.

1:13:40 Korn They present themselves. It's basically girls with a little self-esteem.

1:13:45 Drew Is it a power issue? They're trying to sort of attach to something?

1:13:48 Korn It's bragging rights. Yeah. They're doing it for bragging rights and I just don't think, you know, it's weird. I've always been like, I don't know, why do these girls do this? I mean, I've seen some girls do some really crazy stuff on the road just to be...

1:14:03 Drew Give us an example.

1:14:04 Korn I don't want to say it. Oh, come on.

1:14:05 Drew I did what we don't want to talk about.

1:14:07 Korn I'm about to kick them in key letter boxes.

1:14:09 Drew Just to what? Because you guys asked them to?

1:14:10 Korn To come back stage. Just because I asked. I've seen the most ridiculous, the most insane things you can think of. Girls who do to be back stage would be around a band.

1:14:21 Drew And do they want to have sex back there?

1:14:23 Korn Of course they want to. It doesn't matter if it's going to happen or not.

1:14:25 Caller Right.

1:14:27 Korn I think pretty much...

1:14:29 Drew If you indulge that, do they sort of get attached and get wacky, sort of obsessed or...?

1:14:33 Korn No, usually there's pros. The ones that know just...

1:14:36 Drew What is all that?

1:14:37 Korn It's about you go have sex and then get out. And then there's the ones that get all psycho and follow you for 17 states. And then there's the ones... There's all kinds. There's lots of sick people up there, man.

1:14:49 Drew And at what point do you realize you're sort of contributing to their... I don't mean this to be disparaging.

1:14:53 Korn No, no.

1:14:54 Drew You know what I mean?

1:14:55 Korn I mean, you're not...

1:14:56 Drew You don't know. You don't know. As your young rock star, this is what it's all about.

1:14:59 Korn As your young rock star, this is what it's all about.

1:15:00 Drew Our culture goes, oh, that's a good thing, right? That's why you do this.

1:15:03 Korn This is why you do it. You're in a band. You got to get all these chicks. But soon, honestly, if you're not long enough, you start getting numb.

1:15:09 Drew But then I know you... Don't you realize you're hurting people? Not just hurting yourself.

1:15:12 Korn You're hurting yourself, but you're like, what you're doing to these poor little girls, and this is not right. I don't know if you're a preacher or anything.

1:15:19 Drew No, no. It's interesting, right?

1:15:21 Korn It's interesting. The more you do it, and when you get to this point where you're like, I'm cool, but I know people that just still like doing it, where the vagina rules their life.

1:15:33 Drew Who are rock stars or?

1:15:34 Korn Rock stars, men in general.

1:15:36 Drew Men in general for sure.

1:15:37 Korn Yeah, definitely. So it just depends on the type of person you are.

1:15:40 Drew It's Jonathan Davis from Korn. We're going to hear another song from Korn. This song is Coming Undone. Why don't you set this one up for us?

1:15:47 Korn This is going to be our next single. We really dig this song. It's a slow jam. It's got a real rocky type beat to it.

1:15:57 Drew What did you play on Kimmel last night?

1:15:58 Korn We played Twisted and Coming Undone.

1:16:00 Drew There you go.

1:16:01 Korn So here it is. Check it out.

1:19:24 Drew Coming undone, that's Korn, Jonathan Davis, with us here tonight. A new CD is See You On The Other Side, and a quick question for Jonathan, Andy18. Andy?

1:19:33 Caller Hi, what's up Dr. Drew? How are you doing?

1:19:35 Drew Andy, what's going on?

1:19:36 Caller What's up Jonathan? I love your band, love your music.

1:19:39 Drew Thank you.

1:19:39 Caller Everything you do. Yeah, I know this is kind of embarrassing to ask because I'm a big fan, but I never really got into how you guys got your name.

1:19:48 Caller I never really looked into it.

1:19:52 Korn I tell this to everybody now because I've been telling the story for 12 years.

1:19:54 Drew Really?

1:19:55 Korn Go on the Internet and find out. Oh, really? I refuse to tell it again.

1:20:00 Drew But the story that's on at what? korn.com?

1:20:02 Korn Yeah, you can find it. It seems really easy.

1:20:03 Drew On korn.com?

1:20:04 Korn Yeah.

1:20:04 Drew And the story there is the fact? It's the fact. That's what happened.

1:20:07 Korn Yeah.

1:20:08 Drew All right, Jonathan Davison here with us tonight. The phone number is 1-800-LOVE-191. Calling Dr. Jonathan and myself, Dr. Drew. But for right now, we're going to take a quick break and be right back. Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191, Jonathan Davis from Korn. And what you guys don't hear is me getting an education about ray guns off the air.

1:20:34 Korn It's a special edition shoe from 19.

1:20:37 Drew How do I know? Here's Robert, 21.

1:20:40 Korn Hi, Dr. Drew and Jonathan Davis from Sci.

1:20:45 Korn From wherever.

1:20:46 Drew From Bakersfield. What's up? Robert?

1:20:50 Korn Yes, I'm actually from, my question is first for Dr. Drew, sorry. I'm nervous because Jonathan Davis is in the studio with you, so.

1:21:00 Drew Why don't you ask him a question first, break the ice.

1:21:02 Korn Hi, Jonathan. What was your inspiration for Love Song on See You On The Other Side?

1:21:08 Korn You know, that song is all over the place. There's, I don't know how to explain that song. It was just like a bunch of different thoughts going through my head. The song really isn't about anything in particular. There's a lot of things, a lot of different things going on there. That one song is hard to explain.

1:21:24 Korn Okay, because that's by far like, I don't know why, but that song really, that's my favorite song on the whole CD.

1:21:28 Korn My favorite song on the whole CD too.

1:21:31 Korn By the way, I've listened to you guys since you first came out. I know you give us a lot, but I'm your biggest fan, you know. I have everything. And if I wasn't so big, I'd, you know, wear the clothes, but they don't make clothes, you know, in my size, so.

1:21:45 Drew What's your size?

1:21:46 Korn I'm a, well, I'm really overweight, and that was my question for you, Dr. Drew. I'm about 6'2, 380, and I'm, I don't know, my dad's diabetic and would that like lead to me being a diabetic since I'm so overweight?

1:22:01 Drew You're like Fletcher size. Is this, is he a juvenile diabetic or a type 2 diabetic?

1:22:06 Korn He said, well, he doesn't take insulin or anything, so I don't know what.

1:22:10 Drew That type, that type, yeah, that does tend to be familial. It comes on as you age and as you outstrip your body's insulin abilities to produce insulin. So the more overweight you are, the more at risk you are. So absolutely, Robert, your health really is at risk at this kind of, at this degree of obesity, really.

1:22:27 Korn Well, my question is, I just got married six months ago, so will being this overweight affect me like sexually because, you know, I don't want that to, you know, later on in our marriage or anything like that?

1:22:40 Drew Well, having a lot of fat or adipose tissue will produce high levels of circulating estrogen and suppress testosterone levels and you can actually get shrinkage of the penis, the phallus, and shrinkage of the testes and lower testosterone level, lower sperm levels, and obviously a drop in your sex drive. So yeah, that definitely does affect your sexual performance. Maybe not when you're a young man because you got your maximum levels of circulating testosterone now, but as time goes along, that's going to fall off pretty good if you don't start exercising and lose the weight.

1:23:10 Korn Okay. So I was thinking about getting that gastric bypass, but then everyone told me since I'm so overweight, don't do it.

1:23:18 Drew Well it's only for people that are very overweight. I don't understand that kind of advice. What do you mean?

1:23:22 Korn They said that I was like the wrong kind of candidate because my skin stretched too much and since I'm like prone to being diabetic, they said I have to hold off on it.

1:23:31 Drew Who told you that?

1:23:33 Korn I went to the Wish Center in Arizona and they said not to do it.

1:23:37 Drew Interesting. Well, it certainly would be better if you could do it just with diet and exercise. I don't know if you get any sort of ideas from shows. I thought the biggest loser I thought was when I first saw it. Oh my God, these poor people. Then I watched it and thought this is pretty inspiring for people. It shows them what you can do. When people are huge, you know what? You can lose the weight. You can exercise. You can bring it around. Yeah, Robert, you should try to do that. Absolutely. Do you exercise?

1:24:02 Korn Yeah, on the stage.

1:24:05 Drew When I performed, it was Amy 21.

1:24:10 Hi, okay. I just wanted to say that Jonathan, you're just amazing.

1:24:18 Korn Oh, thank you very much.

1:24:19 You're welcome. Dr. Drew, I listen all the time. But anyhow, about two years ago, I was gang raped by Navy Intelligence.

1:24:33 Caller By what?

1:24:34 Korn Navy Intelligence?

1:24:35 Drew Navy Intelligence.

1:24:36 Well, I mean, people who were in the Navy, and it was basically a fraternity rape. It was a gang rape. And I just, they drugged me. And there was a point in time when I actually awoke in this. And one of the times that it happened, I thought that they were my friends. I thought they were in the Navy and that they were going to take care of me. I just, you know, protect and serve. I guess that's how it goes. But I was wondering...

1:25:09 Drew Amy, what are you talking about? You're not making sense.

1:25:12 Caller Oh, okay. They put a drug into my drink and alcohol was involved in the situation. But I did black out completely.

1:25:25 Drew Maybe you just drank enough to black out. That happens all the time.

1:25:28 Caller But what kind of drug would they use?

1:25:31 Drew They don't necessarily have to have a drug. You may have just drank so much, you blacked out.

1:25:35 Caller No, I really know what my tolerance is and at that point in time I was really, really high.

1:25:42 Korn Cheerios, look at Rufy.

1:25:44 Drew What do you mean it was really high? If it was really high, that means you've been drinking a lot for a long time and that's a typical circumstance for a blackout suddenly to develop.

1:25:53 Caller Amy? I really don't think so because there are kind of, there are like effects that came after that. Well, like you were talking about Matthews, Jonathan, and he said that like he would scratch and I have like, like real, like I used to have scratching problems. Yeah, that's a lot. Is that something that I can get from there?

1:26:23 Caller Because I've never had.

1:26:24 Drew Have you ever been in a hospital for like a psychiatric hospital or something like that?

1:26:27 Caller No.

1:26:28 Drew You have problems with depression, been under psychiatrist care?

1:26:32 Caller Problems of depression? Yeah, I do.

1:26:36 Drew Yeah, there's a lot more going on here than you even are willing to sort of come to grips with.

1:26:42 Caller No, I went to counseling, but she kind of fired me. She told me to go to somebody else.

1:26:47 Drew Right, because you're thinking is kind of disturbed. I'm not saying these guys did anything right to you or wrong to you, but you're not listening to other people, you're not taking input about things. You've decided the world is the way it is and that begs any discussion, and that's not the way you go into therapy. You start taking direction of listening to other people is how you do that, and not trying to interpret it on your own because you've got a disorder here and need to start sort of working on that. It could be the case you drank so much you blacked out and then horrible things happened to you. I do suspect you've been victimized other times in your life. You just sort of although the way you're behaving sort of suggest that. The fact that a therapist fires you is sort of typical. We call it borderline personality disorder, which is trauma survivor stuff. EMDR, John had talked about earlier, could be helpful, but getting involved with somebody and sticking with the therapy very, very important in taking the medications they offer you. Because I'm sure people are urging you to stay on medicines as well, right? Amy.

1:27:38 Caller No, nobody's.

1:27:41 Drew Have you seen a psychiatrist?

1:27:42 Caller No, I'm not. I'm not seeing a psychiatrist right now. I'm going to school and I'm working on so many different things. I really just don't have time for it.

1:27:52 Drew Again, she's calling all the shots. You really, you've got to take some time to take care of yourself, Amy. You had a horrible trauma. You were raped. You were using enough alcohol to blackout. Whether or not someone slipped a drug in there really doesn't matter. You were raped. You were drinking a lot. You blacked out. Something may have been involved, like Rohypnol or Seroquel or something else or Ambien. God knows what. But it really doesn't matter. The matter is you were ingesting lots of substances, a blackout ensued, horrible things happened, and you're still not willing to take care of yourself. You really got to do it. This is Sarah, 22.

1:28:24 Caller I have a question for Jonathan.

1:28:27 Caller Yeah.

1:28:29 Caller I have a boyfriend who's an aspiring musician. I was wondering whenever you guys were all getting started and you personally having the stress of writing all the music and stuff like the lyrics, what kept you going and what was your motivation whenever you were ever discouraged and everything?

1:28:50 Korn The whole motivation was just to succeed. I love music so much, I'd do whatever I needed to do to succeed at it. If I never would have got signed or never had Korn, I'd probably still be playing music. I'd have a nine to five and I'd be doing gigs on the weekends at bars or whatever.

1:29:08 Caller It was just a pure love for it.

1:29:10 Caller He's recording right now. We live together and he works from seven to five. He's there right now laying down tracks.

1:29:22 Caller He does everything. He doesn't have a band there.

1:29:26 Caller He was in a pretty popular band in Baker's Hill.

1:29:28 Drew Now this is wonderful.

1:29:34 Korn You know what?

1:29:36 Drew It's all about heart.

1:29:39 Korn Really, Sarah. His heart has got to be into it. It's not going to be good the whole time.

1:29:45 Caller I know and I tried to help him and stuff like that, but being that I'm not a musician, I don't really...

1:29:52 Korn You just got to be there for him. You got to be there for him and don't ask the questions and it's hard. It's really hard if I can tell you how many times people said that Korn was never going to do anything. We don't listen. We just keep going and keep going and it happened for us. Thanks, Sarah.

1:30:09 Caller Okay. Thank you.

1:30:10 Korn Good luck.

1:30:11 Drew Bye-bye. Jonathan Davis from Korn. We're going to get one more quick break and be right back. Well, thank you, Jonathan Davis, Horne, thank you for joining us tonight. Really interesting show. I hope you'll come back again soon.

1:30:33 Korn I'll definitely come back. We're going to get more of my property.

1:30:36 Drew We're going to get more into EMDR, and Method Mortys, and more. And yeah, Method Mortys and more. I think it's going to be our new sort of department store. What about Does It For Loveline tonight? Tomorrow night, Jack Osborne in here. Night after that, Be Real from Cypress Hill. So until that time, this is Dr. Drew on behalf of Jonathan Davis, saying good night and stay well.

1:30:56 Korn I tell this to everybody now because I've been telling this story for 12 years. Go on the Internet and find out.

1:31:02 This has been Loveline. Loveline. The opinions expressed in this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors or this station. The producer for Loveline is Ann Ingold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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