Episode 1000724315990

0:57 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience.

1:01 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. This is Loveline.

1:17 Adam With Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline.

1:22 Adam I'm Adam.

1:22 Voiceover That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Tonight, it is our privilege to have on the show, dear, dear friend, Gary Busey.

1:36 Gary Busey Hello. It's great to be here.

1:38 Adam It's always good to see you, Gary. I loved your work on Entourage, by the way, last season.

1:45 Gary Busey Well, thanks very much.

1:46 Adam And just caught point break over the weekend, which I've seen many, many times.

1:53 Gary Busey That was such a fun picture to make. I had Arthur Bigelow directed that, and we had so much fun making it.

1:58 Adam I'll tell you, tell you something about that movie. Because it's got the kind of Keanu Reeves thing, and it's also got the Patrick Swayze thing, it's, get some people's crosshairs, it's sort of a movie to make fun of. But then when you really start talking about it to people, turns out they really do like it. Like at first you think they're making fun of it, but then they start talking about it and they dig it. Yeah, it's good, it's a good, exciting movie. Gary was great in it.

2:25 Gary Busey Thank you very much, thank you very much.

2:27 Adam I'm a big fan. Gary is here for Celebrity Fit Club 2, which is on VH1.

2:33 Gary Busey Right now.

2:34 Adam Right now.

2:35 Gary Busey I don't want the listeners of this beautiful show to turn on their TVs. I want you to tape the show now and keep listening to this show because Adam and Dr. Drew have some surprises for you.

2:43 Adam Oh yeah, we do.

2:45 Drew We always do.

2:46 Adam Yeah, we, what are the surprises this week, Drew?

2:49 Drew It's a surprise.

2:50 Adam It's a surprise. Gary, Gary's looking very trim. Gary has always been in decent shape, although in your younger days, you were, you're huskier.

3:00 Gary Busey No, my younger, my younger, I've been an athlete all my life. Football was my main sport. And what happened to me was I fell into a vicious war with cocaine in the late, early eighties. It really had me down and I'm bloomed up to be 245 pounds.

3:21 Drew Okay.

3:21 Gary Busey Now, why most people, most people get skinny, right? But I would, here's what I do. I do cocoa, cocoa, cocoa, cocoa. Then I go to bed for 14 hours and I get up and eat a whole chocolate cake, go back to bed. Then I get up and drink a whole gallon of milk. And I know I was doing great, but don't listen to that, friends, if you're having that struggle. And so I got myself in shape. Stinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, right. And also when you feel bad about yourself, when you're not happy with yourself and you don't know it, you can take it out on other people. And therefore, when you're feeling that way, in my case, I decided I didn't care about being in shape. I'm not thinking consciously of this. Unconsciously, I didn't care about being in shape because I knew all the fat I had on me would protect me. I could hide my feelings and hide behind that, embrace everything I did that was wrong.

4:09 Drew Could you feel that in retrospect or is that?

4:11 Gary Busey Yeah, I felt in retrospect and you know what they say about hindsight and I'm back to the size now I was when I made a surfing movie called Big Wednesday right before Buddy Holly.

4:22 Adam Yeah.

4:23 Gary Busey That was 1977.

4:24 Adam Brent, did that send me recently as well, Drew?

4:27 Drew Did you really? Wow.

4:28 Adam Buzz Fichens.

4:30 Gary Busey Yeah, Buzz Fichens. Buzz Fichens, yeah, a good man. He produced Big Wednesday.

4:34 Adam Yeah, his daughter went to my junior high.

4:36 Drew Really?

4:36 Adam Yeah.

4:37 Gary Busey Now, her daughter is very beautiful.

4:38 Adam No way.

4:39 Drew Did you try to do something to her?

4:41 Adam I did plenty to her in my bathroom alone.

4:43 Gary Busey Of course. Did you use proctologist gloves?

4:46 Adam No, I did not. I used to bare hand, but I made the mistake of using shampoo, and that's a mistake I will make again.

4:53 Gary Busey Listen, Adam, I'll tell you right now, there's nothing like getting your puppy shampooed.

4:57 Adam Yeah, except for it burns when it gets in the puppy's urethra, which is the eye.

5:02 Gary Busey Well, you don't go there, you don't go there.

5:04 Adam Yeah, he has a daughter, Buzz.

5:05 Drew He's got not too far to go before he gets there, you see.

5:07 Adam I have my own choices.

5:09 Gary Busey He doesn't have a lot of unit.

5:10 Adam Now, here's a, thank you. You're welcome. Here's a great magnet, sort of Gary Busey Big Wednesday story.

5:20 Gary Busey Hi, the women and children, please.

5:21 Adam I think, so in a way, Buzz Fichens was the guy who directed. He had a daughter named Cece Fichens.

5:27 Gary Busey Oh, you met her before.

5:28 Adam She was the hottest chick in my junior high. And she was 70s hot, which meant she had the right kind of hair, the feathered back hair, and the right attitude. And the thing that's weird is you go back, go back. Here's an interesting thing. Go back and look at your yearbooks from junior high and high school. I don't own any because my family were cheap apps, but I see other people I went to junior high and with. The people that you thought, the women that you thought were beautiful, that were the most popular. Sometimes you go back and look at them and you realize it wasn't that they were that beautiful, just they had it going on.

6:02 Drew For that period of time, yeah.

6:03 Gary Busey The passing of time changes visions.

6:05 Adam It absolutely does. The thing that was interesting is I just did a, what the, whatever, I just did some TV show a couple weeks back.

6:15 Gary Busey You know what that's called you're having right now, it's called a senior moment when you instantly forget something in the quick past.

6:20 Adam Yeah, I know, Bernie Mac, speaking of senior moments. So I'm doing the Bernie Mac show and I go to high school or junior high with the guys directing the Bernie Mac show, wasn't Buzz Fidgens, but he brings his yearbook in the next day. I'm working a few days on, I start looking through the You had gone to junior high school with him? Yeah, I went to junior high with the guy who's directing. Well, I grew up in North Hollywood, so half the people just become grips and directors and lighting guys. A lot of people got into the business that I went to junior high and high school, mostly building sets, but once in a while a guy's sitting in the director's chair. I was looking at all the women, I haven't seen the thing for 30 years. I'm looking at all the women that were allegedly the most popular and the hottest, in my mind, the hottest. Looking at women to the left and the right of them that are as cute faceless, couldn't remember them. Weren't they the foxes? They had something, the way they dressed, the way they carried themselves.

7:15 Gary Busey What happens to you when you go back to a reunion and see the ladies now, as they've grown up with women, as women?

7:22 Adam It's weird. I went to my 20 year, a year or two ago, in high school, that's it so far. So I don't know. The next one's gonna be a train wreck.

7:31 Drew You didn't talk too much about that. How was it?

7:32 Gary Busey You know, Adam, with your notoriety, being who you are and what you do in the business, don't you go back there with a celebration inside yourself of what you've achieved and give that feeling to others to make them feel good?

7:42 Adam No, I don't.

7:42 Drew No, he goes back with this kiss my ass attitude.

7:44 Adam No.

7:45 Gary Busey Well, you're looking for your, not for your, you know, you are, you're that kind of guy.

7:49 Adam No, I just, I just go back to me. It's pressure.

7:51 Gary Busey Face it, Adam, it's the truth of who you are.

7:54 Adam Gary, getting sanctimonious on my ass.

7:57 Gary Busey Well, I will in a minute.

7:57 Adam All I'm saying is, now here's the thing. So you go back like, I don't know, 25 years, 28 years. I'm in the seventh grade. There's Cece Fichens, and she has a cast on her arm because she must have fallen off with a skateboard. She's hot, you know? I can barely muster the nerve to say anything to her. And on her cast, it says Big Wednesday. Oh, it's a big Wednesday on the cast. And I said, now the movie not been out yet with Gary Busey. And I said, oh, is that the day the cast comes off? And she said, no, you idiot. That's a movie my dad's working on, and I'm in it.

8:33 Gary Busey Yeah.

8:34 Adam That was the movie that Gary Busey, now 30 years later, here we are.

8:38 Gary Busey Wow.

8:38 Adam See what I'm saying?

8:39 Drew So it was the only words you spoke to Cece.

8:41 Adam I met probably a couple other, you know.

8:44 Drew Equally is severely shot down though, I imagine.

8:47 Adam Yeah, yeah. Even small talk wasn't pulled off.

8:49 Gary Busey Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, what's Cece doing now?

8:53 Adam I don't know. I'd like to find out.

8:55 Gary Busey Why don't you?

8:56 Adam When I work that out?

8:58 Gary Busey I should. I can help you. I know Buzz well.

8:59 Adam You know Buzz well?

9:00 Gary Busey Oh yeah. Yeah.

9:01 Adam See, see if you can find his daughter, because I got some like retro sex.

9:05 Drew Let's have Ronny guess on the show.

9:07 Adam Yeah.

9:08 Gary Busey Well, you know what? That's fine. Because I love to hear everyone talk. Because it gives me an observation within myself as to who you are within yourself. It's absolutely hilarious to see you talking illogically, making it logical. I'm so flattered to be here.

9:20 Adam That must have been like 1977 or 78. Now, let's go back and look at it. Yeah. All right. Gary Busey and some of the greatest movies ever made. Now, now at Celebrity Fit Club. But how much weight did you lose? Because I didn't think you were too big going into it or were you?

9:37 Gary Busey I weighed 220 going into it nine weeks ago. And I cannot tell you my weight now because it's against the rules of the show, because you have to watch the show to find that out because there's four people there. There's Willie Ames, Maitan is enough and Charles and Jared.

9:49 Adam Right.

9:50 Gary Busey There's a lovely Long Island lady named Wendy, who was a Snapple.

9:54 Adam I heard you yelling at her last episode when she was standing by the heavy bag.

9:59 Gary Busey Well, that was something over prayer, but you'll see in the future. I want to let everybody know out there that you have no idea. Shut up. You have no idea what's coming up on this show. It's so beautifully unpredictable. And we Denver, we don't know the contestants and at the eight contestants, we don't know what we're going to go through. I mean, the things we've gone through physically are amazing. I trapped doing one and a half back somersault off a trapeze bar and landing on your feet. I did that.

10:27 Adam How, now, so after this.

10:29 Gary Busey Ken Pendleton, the Marine Corps.

10:30 Adam What is the key? I mean, I'm just gonna, I don't want to give anything away, but I'm eyeballing Gary and knowing that he lost at least 45 pounds doing this thing. What is the key to weight loss? Is it?

10:42 Gary Busey 65% of your training is what you eat. When you eat it, how you eat it, and the combination of food.

10:47 Adam So give us that one.

10:48 Gary Busey Give us what one?

10:49 Drew The secret combo.

10:50 Adam Yeah, lots of smaller meals, eat earlier in the day.

10:54 Gary Busey Well, my stomach size now, I put my food into, is about as big as a softball. So seven ounces of tuna fish, one navel orange will do me for a day. I have a sublative food system coming from VH1. Thank you very much, VH1. It's called Nutrisystem Food. Very small amounts. We're good combinations of food. The less you eat, the better you are. But you have to eat at the right time with the right protein and carbohydrates, and not go to the store and buy this stuff with sauces and junk food and fast food.

11:21 Drew A lot of people leave out the protein.

11:23 Gary Busey The protein is, yeah, the protein is not.

11:24 Drew Do you eat nuts things too? Do you snack with almonds or cashews or anything?

11:28 Gary Busey I eat trail mix. Yeah, I have that. You know what nuts stands for in UTS? Never underestimate the spirit. That's abuse-ism. That's why it's okay to be nuts.

11:38 Adam Now, Gary. What? But you're crazy like a fox.

11:41 Gary Busey Yeah, I'll take you.

11:42 Adam I realized, I was talking about this.

11:45 Gary Busey That's a compliment from you, Adam.

11:46 Adam No, it is. I was talking about this the other day. Remember I was saying Snoop Dogg's a genius because he can smoke pot wherever he wants and no one says anything about it. Gary Busey can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants and say whatever he wants. And it's Gary Busey saying it. Anyone else would be wrestled to the ground and escorted out of the building.

12:03 Gary Busey I don't speak in cruelty. I don't speak in criticism. I don't speak in insults. I consider other people's feelings first before I speak. And I consider their feelings to be more important than mine simply because they own their feelings. And if I know my feelings, two people get in an argument, they're fighting over their feelings. Well, Adam, if you and I are arguing, you have feelings that you own and I have feelings that I own. So the feelings you're saying things that are against my feelings. So I'm going to tell you about my feelings. You're going to tell me about your feelings. We're going to start arguing. It's going to be a conversation.

12:35 Adam Yeah.

12:37 Gary Busey What you do and what I do is I listen to the other person arguing with me. I argue and listen to it all. And then I don't blink and I look at them in the eyes. I have a half smile and I say thank you for telling me that. Because actually the enemies you think you have on earth are here to show you things about yourself you need to change.

12:54 Adam When did you get so spiritual?

12:56 Gary Busey What's important about enemies is enemies are simply friends in reverse. You want to see your biggest enemy look in the mirror.

13:03 Adam Oh, he's standing behind me.

13:06 Gary Busey Standing right inside you, buddy.

13:07 Adam Oh, I see. Okay, I got that now. But Gary.

13:10 Gary Busey What?

13:10 Adam Now, did you, now you got a lot of spirituality.

13:13 Gary Busey Yeah.

13:14 Adam A little nutty too. No, no. But you're super smart. I mean, you're-

13:18 Gary Busey Well, Adam, something happened to me-

13:20 Adam Yeah, what happened to you?

13:21 Gary Busey Turned out to be a blessing. December 4th, 1988, I went up to Harley-Davidson. You're going 40 miles an hour without a helmet. And I hit my head on the curb at Washington Robinson Boulevard. 1.15 Sunday afternoon.

13:30 Drew How far from where we are now, huh?

13:32 Gary Busey Wow. Close to where we are now. I hit on that concrete. No, I was not at all. I was without a helmet on Harley-Davidson. Hit my head first on to the curb, split my skull open, knocked the hole in my skull the size of a 50 cent piece. But here's a miracle. I landed at the feet of a police officer who was there scouting the route of the marathon race in Culver City, December 6th. Paramedics took me right to Cedar Sinai. Dr. Lauren Hooten, most aggressive brain surgeon on duty, opened me up. He said if I'd been three minutes late, I'd be dead. I don't remember four and a half weeks of my life because my memories would not consolidate. They took me out of Cedars and put me in Daniel Freeman where they took me under the 12 layers of drugs they had me on at Cedars. Also not far from here. They had me locked into a room naked on a metal bed, chained down in the middle ward. And the mail orderly told my brother get him out of here, they're gonna cuckoo nest him. So they took me to Daniel Freeman where they put the mattresses on. Dr. Roger Light and Barry Ludwig were there in my care. They put my mattresses on the floor and took me off the medicine and I spent all my time with a flower cart with all my cassette players, my cassette player, and my cassette tapes and a poster. They sent me from Lethal Weapon with helmets drawn on Danny and Mel and everybody autographed. And I was just gonna go home and they said, they called a meeting, chiefs have the surgeons call the meeting. Two and a half months after I was there and they say, what are you letting him out now for? This kid was dead two months ago, two and a half months. He couldn't walk, talk, he dressed himself, organized anything. He's been through all the therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, physical fitness therapy. Why doesn't he get a hospital? And they said our reports showed that he has a resilience in himself with his mind and his courage and his power. You can call it faith if you want it. He's gonna, he's well already. And he was born with the energy. Gary was born with the energy of 10 men who have normal jobs.

15:23 Drew How do you have to run up against Gary in the football field?

15:26 Yeah, oh, it's got to be like 11 men.

15:28 Gary Busey That's a lot of fun. That's how I turned, June 29th I turned 61.

15:32 Adam You're 61?

15:33 Gary Busey Yeah, I looked 38, 39, 42, 45.

15:36 Adam Oh my God. And look at you too, nothing but doing blow and eating red meat and look at you.

15:42 Gary Busey What do you mean doing blow?

15:44 Drew In your life.

15:44 Adam In your former, in your former life.

15:46 Gary Busey Okay, so to say doing blow.

15:47 Drew No, in spite of all that you look great.

15:49 Adam In spite of that you look amazing.

15:50 Gary Busey Well then say in spite first, because I'm going to tell you I want to help you with your grammar, Adam.

15:54 Adam No, I say look, look how great you look. And you've had a life of, you know, treat treating yourself like you're a bad car.

16:03 Gary Busey Oh, I didn't treat myself like that. I was a bad car.

16:06 Adam Oh, all right. But still you left yourself. You didn't you didn't park yourself in a garage.

16:09 Gary Busey But isn't it great? Isn't it great to go through the dry seasons where your faith is being tested and yourself? No, and you're always wrapped. You're always wrapped in the protection from God. You're always in his favor. He'll be with you even though you are failing yourself. But the word failing, F-A-I-L-I-N-G, stands for finding an important lesson, inviting needed growth. In other words, we don't fail. We just find a better way to do it. And that's what I've done. If I can do it, anybody can. And I want to inspire people to do that.

16:40 Adam I got to say, your next move is going to be...

16:43 Gary Busey I like your excitement.

16:44 Drew A book of acronyms.

16:46 Well...

16:47 Gary Busey No, they're not acronyms. They're Busey-isms, like the word chaos.

16:51 Adam You know what FUBU stands for?

16:54 Gary Busey The word chaos stands for critical hate and overwhelming stupidity.

16:57 Adam Oh, what's the RICO Act stand for?

17:00 Gary Busey The RICO Act says for locking you in the car.

17:03 Adam I think it's a racketeering and interstate commerce thing.

17:07 Gary Busey The word fraud stands for finding relevant answers under deception.

17:13 Adam I'd like to see you start your own church.

17:16 Gary Busey I am.

17:17 Adam Do you have one yet?

17:17 Gary Busey I'm going to do that.

17:18 Adam Oh, I know you are. I mean, that's the next move, right?

17:22 Gary Busey That's not the next move. That's one on the line. I have a lot of moves to make.

17:25 Adam What are the next couple? Start the church.

17:28 Gary Busey Well, I'm working with Dr. Henry Malone on building a church in Plano, Texas. And it's a church of deliverance, which I was delivered from the 14 Spirits of Evil. They're in the Bible that go back, generational curses back to Adam Neeve. We all carry them. Took about nine hours, me and him alone. Wow. And Dr. Henry Malone, Henry Malone wrote a book called Shadow Boxing. I request all the listeners get Shadow Boxing and read it and understand what they're filled with and what they have the ability to unfill themselves with with the deliverance.

18:00 Adam You want to go back to Texas and do this. That's where you're from, right?

18:02 Gary Busey I'm going where God sends me. I was born in Texas. I grew up in Mount Colombo, but I'm from heaven.

18:07 Adam But you're in Malibu now, which is not quite heaven, but it's pretty close.

18:11 Gary Busey Heaven is where you make it. Heaven is where your vision is.

18:14 Adam Easier to make it in Malibu than it is in Odessa.

18:17 Gary Busey That depends on where your heart is.

18:19 Adam My heart's in Malibu.

18:20 Gary Busey Adam, your heart is the face of your spirit, so get real.

18:22 Adam Well, whatever it is, it's looking at the ocean. It's not staring an armadillo. That's where my spirit is.

18:28 Gary Busey You have a, what is your IQ?

18:30 Oh, who knows?

18:32 Adam I'm frightened to find out.

18:32 Drew Well, we did check one if you remember.

18:33 We did check.

18:35 Gary Busey Why do we check it out? I think Adam's IQ is just above his shoe size.

18:39 Adam I did check online. It was in the mid-80s.

18:41 Drew I think it was 92, 94.

18:44 Adam It wasn't triple digits, whatever it was. I blame the tester, whoever administered it.

18:48 Drew That's right.

18:49 Gary Busey Adam, you should know your blessing because you're working in a good way. You influenced and inspire people, make people like you. Oh, really?

18:55 Adam All right, well, let's do that now.

18:57 Gary Busey Okay, go to scope.

18:58 Stephanie?

19:00 Drew Stephanie's 20.

19:01 Adam You're 20, what's up?

19:03 Caller Okay, whenever I have sex, like towards the end or when I'm finishing, my arms and face usually, well, sometimes it's my whole body, but my arms and hands fall asleep and go completely numb. The other day, I could be paralyzed, like I could not move it at all. And it took like half an hour or an hour to like get all the blood back in it. And so I was able to-

19:28 Gary Busey What positions are you using?

19:30 Caller Usually I'm on the bottom.

19:32 Gary Busey I'm on?

19:32 Adam You're on the top or on the bottom? Well, her line's too screwed up.

19:37 Gary Busey I think she says, we got a wake signal here.

19:40 Drew For the most part, these kinds of things are caused by breathing excessively, so hyperventilating, and or bearing down too hard. You can even get rhythm disturbance so your heart can slow down. It's something worth looking into, Stephanie, because sometimes there are congenital problems that predispose you to the heart slowing to the point that you go out, you become unconscious. But in all likelihood, this is kind of a normal thing. Gary's had this all the time. Gary, Gary.

20:02 Gary Busey Yeah, I love it.

20:04 Adam Gary's a man of passion. I wouldn't write that.

20:06 Gary Busey Let me tell you about passion.

20:07 Drew I'd guess.

20:08 Gary Busey The origin of passion is a Greek word called, listen.

20:12 Adam Drew's a man of passion as well.

20:14 Gary Busey No, wait.

20:14 Drew Let me tell you.

20:15 Gary Busey I'm too. But here's what passion, the source of the word passion comes from the Greek word pathos, and it means pain. So it was actually Mel was making the pain of Christ.

20:25 Adam Interesting.

20:26 Gary Busey Passion is pain. Pain is passion. Welcome to earth. I got three words for you. Welcome to earth.

20:32 Adam Interesting. See, if you're willing to feel the pain, you'll feel the ecstasy as well.

20:36 Drew This does remind me though, what Stephanie was calling about.

20:38 Gary Busey That's a masochist who does that. If you're willing to feel the pain.

20:41 Drew You guys are going down a path that I'm interested in right now. In fact, because I was going to do a thing tomorrow morning and there's been all this press in USA Today and on Yahoo about kids choking one another, but teenagers and young adults getting high by choking each other.

20:53 Gary Busey And so they fall down and faint?

20:55 Drew Well, they faint, but they actually get that sort of white light experience because they actually go, they actually have the oxygen cut off to their brain temporarily. It's the same thing people do as part of the autoerotic asphyxiation, you know, part of the sexual stuff. And it seems to me that the press has just got this all wrong and is making much ado about nothing. Because we've never heard of this and they're, oh my God, sweeping the nation.

21:12 Gary Busey Oh, look.

21:12 Adam Well, they do that with pit bull attacks and freeway shooting.

21:15 Drew But I would be interested if anyone does that, there's all kinds of weird names for it, this sort of choking game. Let me, let us know, call Loveline 1-800-LLVE-1.

21:24 Gary Busey I had that happen to me playing Little League Ball for Lindbergh Elementary School in Tulsa.

21:29 Drew Somebody choked you?

21:30 Gary Busey Well, no, they didn't choke me, but I think they wrapped their arms around my chest or something and they squeezed me and I just fell flat on my face.

21:37 Adam That was the hyperventilation thing everyone did in junior high.

21:41 Gary Busey Is that a breathing thing?

21:42 Drew It is a little, at least that does induce a low heart rate where you do temporarily have slow flow to the brain, but they're talking about actually strangling around the neck and cutting off the blood supply.

21:51 Gary Busey How about a fuchsia serial killer?

21:54 Drew Would do that kind of thing?

21:55 Gary Busey Yeah.

21:55 Drew Well, that's the point. Apparently, lots of kids are doing this. I have issue, take issue with it being that way.

22:00 Gary Busey What is the reason? Is there anything sexual about that?

22:02 Drew Well, you get high, you get euphoria.

22:04 Adam It's kind of refreshing, though. They're not on the sofa playing Nintendo or watching TV.

22:10 Drew They've been doing a while on the Nintendo.

22:11 Gary Busey Instead of strangling each other, why don't we pet and be smooth with oils and satin?

22:16 Adam Yeah, I agree. Those 11-year-olds should get some of that oil.

22:19 Gary Busey No, no, no. Stop it. Shouldn't be 11-year-olds.

22:23 Drew This is that age. It's young teens that apparently are doing this thing. All right.

22:26 Adam Let's see.

22:27 Gary Busey 11? Yeah. They don't even have their sperm things going, do they?

22:30 Drew No, but that's the point. There's a lot of confusion about what they're reporting. Is this something sexual or is it something getting highlights, stiffing glue?

22:37 Adam Here's the whole thing. Are there any real, you know, these trends that we try to scare us with? I mean, freeway shooting, pit bull attacks.

22:44 Gary Busey Hey, that's happening.

22:45 Drew Shark attacks right now.

22:46 Gary Busey That's happening.

22:47 Adam Shark attacks.

22:48 It's cyclical.

22:49 Adam Earthquakes.

22:50 Gary Busey The world is changing.

22:51 Adam Yeah, but how many freeway shootings? How many shark attacks? How many pit bull attacks? How many do we actually have? As opposed to how many does the news report?

22:59 Drew Very rare, A. And B, the point I made to these...

23:02 Gary Busey Well, we've had some shark attacks in a row.

23:04 Drew Yeah, but apparently, according to guys that study shark attacks...

23:06 Adam Three in the last...

23:07 Drew It's a normal season. It's actually a little below normal. There are shark attacks every week in this country. They're just not reported in the Gulf, for the most part, and so there they are. But here's the deal. What I made the point to CNN was I said, look, if I haven't heard about it, this isn't a very big deal. We would have heard about it a hundred times if we were big.

23:24 Adam I was thinking about it with the sharks. If I was a great white shark.

23:27 Remember the movie Jaws?

23:29 Gary Busey I kept everybody in the audition for two years.

23:33 Adam Think about a mouth on a great white shark. All those rows of teeth, the jaw opens up 25 inches. Now, you got no arms. You just got those flippers. If I was a shark, I'd be biting everything. Sure.

23:45 Gary Busey That's what they do.

23:45 Adam All I would do is just bite stuff.

23:47 Gary Busey That's what they do.

23:48 Adam You know what would happen to me?

23:49 Gary Busey Adam, you are a shark. That's what they do.

23:50 Drew Did you see the scene in Jaws where they pulled the license plate out and the cans and everything? That's you.

23:55 I was just biting.

23:56 Adam I would eventually eat myself if I was a shark. I would start eating my own tail.

24:01 Drew As you can see it.

24:02 Adam I would digest myself.

24:03 Gary Busey I'm just saying. You want to get a good taste of yourself and live freely, right?

24:08 Adam Our mouth is the size of a silver dollar and we got these long arms. We don't do anything. Their mouth size of a trash can lid and they don't have any arms. That's all they can do. I'm surprised they don't eat more stuff.

24:18 Gary Busey Yeah. They eat a lot. They eat more than you know.

24:21 Adam I don't eat more people.

24:22 Gary Busey Have you ever had shark?

24:23 Adam Have you ever had shark? Yeah, shark's good.

24:25 Gary Busey Thresher shark is great.

24:27 Adam Yeah, it is.

24:28 Gary Busey But it doesn't eat you back when it's on the plate.

24:29 Adam Shark steaks are good.

24:30 Drew Excellent. Yeah. I can't tell from swordfish.

24:32 Adam All right. Let's take ourselves a little break. Gary Busey here tonight.

24:35 Gary Busey I'm here tonight. I'm here tonight.

24:37 Adam Yeah. It's we're talking food. We're talking barbecue season.

24:43 Gary Busey Celebrity Fitness. We're talking about Celebrity Fitness.

24:45 Adam Celebrity Fitness.

24:46 Gary Busey Get yourself in shape. Talk to me. I'll help you.

24:49 Adam Gary Busey in the night. Take a quick break. Be right back after this.

24:52 Gary Busey Thank you. Hey, everybody. Huh?

25:32 Hey. Love line.

25:35 Adam I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Gary Busey.

25:39 Hello.

25:40 Adam The Sage is in studio tonight.

25:43 Gary Busey That's Larry Elder.

25:44 Adam Gary, oh yeah, different radio show. Gary is in the Celebrity Fit Club 2 on VH1, 10 o'clock.

25:53 Gary Busey On Sunday nights.

25:53 Adam As we speak.

25:54 Drew I like the fact that you include coffee in your fitness regime.

25:57 Gary Busey Coffee's okay.

25:58 Drew Yeah, coffee is okay.

25:59 Gary Busey Coffee is okay.

26:00 Drew People have lots of periods, but I'm actually doing it on Tuesday.

26:02 Gary Busey I don't use the word diet. Diet, the word diet has the word die in it. It's a stupid word. It doesn't get you anywhere. It's a negative reflection on your internal consistencies. So what I use is a new way of life in terms of being healthy with yourself. And friends, when you lose that weight, you feel better about yourself. You feel good about everything. And when you take care of your body, the temple God gave us for our spirit and soul to live into. When we take care of that body, we are happy. We are successful and we are doing good and we are inspiring others to take care of themselves.

26:32 Drew But there is some evidence that caffeine may actually reduce the risk of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. There is actually some amazing health benefits. However, the Cremora we put in here is just like sugar.

26:42 Gary Busey Cremora?

26:42 Drew The powdery stuff we stick in here.

26:44 Gary Busey You put that in there.

26:45 Drew No, I handed it to you.

26:46 Gary Busey Your stinker. That was really funny.

26:48 Adam Yeah, Gary thought it was probably.

26:50 Gary Busey You'll see me do 300 pushups before I leave here.

26:52 Drew No.

26:52 Gary Busey You know what's good about doing pushups when you're empty? You let a lot of little silent and Freaky farts. Yeah, it's really good. It's like a little, and when you tape that, you put it on an album for nocturnal sleeping.

27:08 Adam I like the sound of the rainforest myself, but Gary Busey farting should be like, you know.

27:13 Drew One of the channels.

27:13 Adam Yeah, when you go to the Brookstone thing.

27:16 Gary Busey You know, there's little things you can, because you're so relaxed, it comes out like, whee! I, I, whee!

27:26 Drew Busey's got, he's got range. This man's got range, Adam.

27:29 Adam I believe all you really have to do in life is pushups. And if they didn't, if they weren't so hard, we wouldn't need all these other pieces of, you know, workout apparatus and all that. As a male, really, as a male, if you just did a s-load of pushups every day, your upper body would be just fine.

27:49 Gary Busey No, you can't, you had to take some more pushups. It takes tricep work and bench presses for your pecs and it takes ab work.

27:54 Adam You can do a wide grip and do that tight work for that on your back. Yeah.

27:59 Gary Busey But you need to balance it out so you look like Popeye with the forearms, except to be your biceps. Adam, look at your biceps right now.

28:05 Adam I'm a little weak, yeah.

28:06 Gary Busey No, it's okay. It goes with, it comes with your dinner.

28:09 Adam Yeah.

28:09 Gary Busey On the unconscious menu.

28:11 Adam Oh, wow.

28:12 Put you in your place. That's for dessert.

28:15 Gary Busey Whatever you want, buddy.

28:16 Adam All right. All right, I'm just saying.

28:18 Gary Busey They just don't eat in the dark anymore because when you eat in the dark, you'll get sick.

28:21 Adam Josh?

28:22 Gary Busey Hey, Josh.

28:23 Yeah. Hey, what's up?

28:24 Adam You're 19?

28:25 Caller Yeah.

28:26 Adam What's up?

28:27 Caller I was just calling in about that thing you were talking about choking other people. And I never really did it. Like I've never done it during sex. I've never choked anyone during sex or anything. But a while back ago, my friends and I used to do it just for the heck of it. And you know, we were just like, okay, I don't know where my neighbors found it out from, but they got this idea one time. And they're like, okay, well hold your breath. And then, you know, and then they just, they put their hands like this. They put it where?

28:59 Drew Put their hands where?

29:00 Caller They put, he put his hands like the bottom of the hand, the palm of the hand, as they touch each other until the fingers are like at the back of your neck. And.

29:10 Adam It's more, more bad connections. Look, you kids gotta break down and steal yourself a nitrous tank like we did back in the day.

29:17 Drew Wow.

29:18 Adam What do you think? Are you trapped on an island and you can't find drugs? You know what I mean?

29:23 Drew Scary, crazy.

29:24 Gary Busey Just strangling people.

29:26 Drew No, but you know, it's like, it's like you say we always-

29:27 Gary Busey Self ordained suicide. Self ordained suicide.

29:29 Drew This is the equivalent of BMX bike racing and Tony Hawk's performance on a skateboard.

29:35 Gary Busey No, is that real?

29:36 Drew The ante's are up. They're just ante's up everywhere. It's just more.

29:39 Gary Busey Doctor, you're putting your hands around your neck. That's not a skateboard.

29:42 Drew No, no, I'm just saying that the kids are pushing the limits, pushing the boundaries of thrill these days.

29:47 Gary Busey That's called self ordained suicide.

29:49 Drew Yeah, yeah.

29:50 Gary Busey Be careful out there.

29:51 Drew Do you want to talk to one more about it real quick?

29:53 Adam See, Drew knows an asphyxiation thing. Yeah, I'm just wondering in general, I think in life, there's this sort of progression thing. Everyone's supposed to get bigger. Everyone's supposed to get smarter. Everyone's supposed to make more money.

30:06 Gary Busey Run faster.

30:07 Adam Run faster. Everything. I mean, if you think about progress, right? Think about what your parents made a year. Think about what you'd like your kids to make a year. Think about what a house cost 20 years ago, what it costs now, what a car cost 20 years ago. Think about what they did with a basketball 50 years ago. The guy just dropped it in. Now he's taken off from top of the key, you know? I mean, everything is up. It used to be if a guy just did a kick turn in a swimming pool on a skateboard, he was the greatest skateboarder you'd ever seen. Now he's got to jump over the Great Wall of China.

30:39 Gary Busey It's called evolution, my friend, evolution.

30:42 Adam I'm wondering if a lot more people aren't going to start getting killed because I don't think our bodies are evolving that fast. There's no difference physiologically between the kid in the 70s and the vans who did the kick turn in the empty swimming pool and the guy who jumped over the Great Wall of China. His bones are the same. You know what I mean? Except one guy's got 80 feet of air, the other guy just got the front trucks out of the swimming pool.

31:07 Gary Busey One thing about something we must understand, that the word fear, F-E-A-R, that stands for false evidence appearing real.

31:13 Adam I wonder what that was.

31:14 Gary Busey And the word doubt, D-O-U-B-T, stands for debating on understanding bewildering thoughts.

31:20 Adam What's NORAD stand for? I always see it on the North History Channel.

31:24 Gary Busey Those people who have fear and have doubt have created it themselves. Everyone has a choice to make. We're the only animal that has free will and free choice to be a human animal. We gotta be careful with the choices we make because they might not turn out good in the long run.

31:40 Adam Everything has gotten faster except for reading.

31:42 Gary Busey Well, here's one for you.

31:43 Adam That's one department the kids have actually slowed down just a little bit and they've reeled it in.

31:48 Gary Busey Well, the educational services is failing, I feel. Do you know what you see in the road? Usually, when you see a dead lawyer or a dead snake in the road, what do you usually see? You usually see skid marks before the snake.

31:59 Adam Yeah, at least someone tried to stop.

32:01 Gary Busey That tells you about law and order.

32:03 Adam How do we heal the educational system in this country, Professor Busey?

32:09 Gary Busey We utilize the money that was promised to us from my good friend Arnold and the governor of the state.

32:14 Adam Do you know Arnold?

32:15 Gary Busey Yeah, I've known Arnold for years.

32:16 Adam I'm trying to think what you guys work together on.

32:19 Gary Busey My body.

32:20 Adam Your body?

32:21 Gary Busey Yeah, Arnold's trained me and Franco Clumbo, who trained Arnold for 15 years, been my trainer, Harold Diamond, the kickboxing champion, Mike Mitzker, Mr. Olympia. Wow.

32:31 Drew That's a different kind of working out, though, right? That's a different kind of working out than you're doing now. Those heavier weights.

32:36 Gary Busey Yeah, right. Well, right now, I'm doing a lot of aerobics, and muscle weighs more than fat. So I'm losing all the weight I can to win the game. And then I'll start doing maximum muscle failure with weights, which is only 30 minutes a day, two days a week. And it's beautiful.

32:52 Adam What do you win if you win this VH1?

32:55 Gary Busey We don't know yet. See, we don't know. We don't know.

32:57 Adam How are you doing? Are you good for money? I mean, you set? You fine?

33:01 Gary Busey No.

33:02 Adam You're not. Why not?

33:04 Gary Busey Because it's been, it's been a difficult couple of years. I've been in a dry season. But things are coming up, opening up and opening up, the door is opening up. And I'm in a better, I'm in a different, better place now.

33:13 Adam Let me, let me ask you this.

33:15 Gary Busey I actually like myself.

33:16 Adam Is, is acting sort of, could you sort of equate it to athletes from, let's say the sixties, the seventies?

33:24 Gary Busey Acting?

33:25 Adam In the sense that, no, back in the day, these guys, pro athletes were not rich, you know, in the seventies, you know, they had a career that lasted eight or ten years. They're not necessarily set for life like, like they would be today. I believe now if you were, and Gary Busey was not the leading man in Hollywood, but he was in the top shelf of male actors for a good period of time, shouldn't you have enough saved up to see you through for the rest of your life?

33:58 Drew Or would you have had had that ten year thing?

33:59 Adam Or would you, if your career started, you know, if right now, if Big Wednesday started tomorrow and you just did the movies you did up until the next 20 years, would you be set for life?

34:10 Gary Busey No, I wouldn't pay that much. I wouldn't pay it.

34:12 Adam That's what I'm saying.

34:12 Gary Busey I wouldn't pay big prices at all, not at all.

34:15 Adam I mean, what would you get for something like Big Wednesday?

34:17 Gary Busey I don't remember.

34:18 Adam Was it 50 grand?

34:20 Gary Busey Oh no, it was more than that.

34:21 Oh, all right.

34:22 Adam That's not too bad.

34:24 Drew I think we would get today.

34:26 Adam That's my point.

34:27 Gary Busey But my price is going to go up and I'm back in shape spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically. And that's what counts is taking care of yourself and really liking yourself. Before you can like or love anyone else or help anyone else, you have to do it for yourself first.

34:40 Adam But you haven't had a-

34:41 Gary Busey And that's what Celebrity Fitness is doing for me. And I want to utilize myself being inspired by the show to inspire others.

34:46 Adam You've not had a civilian gig since you were 18 or 20, right?

34:53 Gary Busey What is a civilian gig?

34:54 Adam Work.

34:55 Gary Busey Oh, are you kidding me?

34:56 Adam Regular work, regular job.

34:57 Gary Busey Making a movie 12 hours a day?

34:58 Adam No, no, no, that's a lot of work, but I just mean you're an actor.

35:02 Gary Busey No, I'm not. Acting is the absence of acting. It's believing in the truth of the moment you're in at that time.

35:07 Adam You're a non-actor who's in a movie getting paid to act.

35:09 Gary Busey Excuse me, shut up. Let me tell you what this is. What's the last job? Oh, hey, hey. Acting is the absence of acting. It's believing in the truth of the moment you're creating at that time. Stop.

35:20 Adam All right.

35:20 Gary Busey You did good.

35:21 Adam Thank you, baby. No, I'm saying, what was your last? No. What was your last job that was not in act? And I don't want to say acting. That was not in a movie or television, not in Hollywood. What was your last job at a donut shop? Your last job at a department store?

35:36 Gary Busey My father was a construction design manager for Safeway Stores in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Kansas. So I did heavy labor finishing concrete, tying steel, digging ditches, forming concrete. That's what I did in my, when I had a spring break from college, I came home and went to heavy labor. Right. And I got paid $2.05 an hour and I thought I had it. That was it, man. I had made it. That was great.

36:00 Adam And that was your last job of that nature?

36:04 Gary Busey Yeah. The rest has been traveling, rock and roll and making movies and doing events and television and coming on here.

36:10 Adam Right. So you've had a good 40 year run.

36:13 Gary Busey 1970, 35. I started in 1970. My first show was High Chaparral.

36:19 Adam Oh, yeah.

36:20 Gary Busey I played a mental retard that was to hit Leif Erikson in the Face with a Stick While I Was Sleeping. But I was trained by James Best, Camera Technique and Film Awareness, where I ended up with seven lines in three days work because I know what to do technically. And a great thing for all you new actors out there, they're getting a job. When you have your first job, your first job, go up to the department head of everyone on the set, the head of the department of the property people, the camera people, the lighting people, the sound people, and tell them, I'm very happy to be here and I want you to know, let me know if there's anything I can do to help you. And when the crew hears a new person saying that, they come out and they just embrace this guy or this girl who's there for the comment of the film that's being made or the story that's being made. And that's humble. The ingredients of a leader is being humble with humility.

37:14 Adam Oh, somebody.

37:15 Gary Busey Did you hear me, Adam?

37:16 Adam Yes, the ingredients of a leader is being humbled with humility.

37:20 Gary Busey You see that?

37:21 Adam Steel trap, baby. Don't let the pot fool you. Tasha knows somebody who was actually died from this choking game. Tasha?

37:30 Yeah.

37:31 Adam You're 13?

37:32 Caller Yes, I am.

37:34 Adam What's happened and what happened?

37:36 Caller Well, somebody had told my friend about the choking game at the school in Napa and actually she was in her closet trying to actually pull this stunt and she fell and she passed out and she woke up and she started kicking and she knocked over the ladder that she was standing on to help her stand up.

38:04 Drew Are you sure that she wasn't trying to kill herself?

38:07 Caller No, the police investigated it and it was not a suicide attempt.

38:11 Drew How did they prove that?

38:14 Gary Busey It could have been a mental suicide. She was unconscious of it and she completed it without thought.

38:19 Adam She hung herself, right, or hanged herself?

38:24 Caller She actually had like a, I don't know what she had.

38:29 Gary Busey Was she choking herself?

38:31 Caller Yes, she was choking herself with her brother. They were, I don't know what they were technically doing.

38:38 Gary Busey Who was choking her, dear?

38:40 Caller She was and her brother was also doing it along with her.

38:44 Drew What does that mean?

38:44 Gary Busey He was choking himself, too?

38:46 Caller Yes.

38:47 Adam What does the ladder have to do with it?

38:50 Caller Well, she was actually standing on the ladder, but he was standing on the floor.

38:57 Drew She wasn't there. What kind of kids are doing this game?

39:00 Adam Why do you need a ladder to choke yourself?

39:02 Drew To get some tension on the cord, I guess.

39:05 Adam She was choking herself with her hands, or she had some hanging?

39:07 Drew She was hanging.

39:08 Adam She had something around her neck, Tasha?

39:10 Caller Yes, she did.

39:11 Adam Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. All right. Is this more popular now than ever, or what's up? Did you hear about your other friends doing this?

39:22 Caller No. After she died, everybody just kind of stopped doing it, but it is starting to kind of get more popular.

39:32 Gary Busey Why is it popular, dear?

39:35 Caller I really don't know. I mean, I think it's just because-

39:37 Drew Who's doing it? Just kids that want to get high?

39:40 Caller Yeah, just kids who want to get high. You gotta get these kids drugs, Drew.

39:43 Adam I'm gonna start a campaign.

39:44 Drew Use drugs.

39:45 Gary Busey Honey, do you do this yourself? Do you choke yourself too?

39:48 Caller No, I do not.

39:50 Gary Busey That's good. Don't dare the rope.

39:52 Adam Yeah, give them the dope. Spare the rope.

39:55 Drew Take the dope. Spare the rope, take the dope.

39:57 Adam Well, or hand over the, whatever it is, I gotta get, I gotta trade in your rope for dope.

40:03 That's basically rope for dope.

40:06 Gary Busey It's called rope for dope.

40:07 Drew Rope for dope, that's it. We found it, rope for dope.

40:09 Adam And it's not just, you know, it's not just hemp rope or just anchor rope or anything. I'll use cords, extension cords, belts, anything you can hang yourself with, twine, anything you got.

40:20 Drew You wanna finish this up one more with Mark?

40:22 Adam All right, where is...

40:24 Drew Five.

40:24 Adam Oh, okay, let's see.

40:26 Mark? Oh, yeah, hello?

40:28 Adam You're 25?

40:29 Caller Yes, sir.

40:30 Adam Hello, Mark.

40:31 Caller Long time listener, first time caller. I used to do that back in the day when I was a teenager. But we didn't call it... I was just called California Dream back in the day. And it wasn't actually choking. What it was is the person would squat down on their haunches and hyperventilate for approximately 10 minutes.

40:47 Drew That's a different... That's a totally different thing, Mark.

40:49 Gary Busey No, I've done that. That's not that.

40:51 Adam But what about this component to human beings to alter themselves?

40:57 Drew Oh, all mammals do that.

40:59 Adam Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

41:00 Drew Mammals have a natural tendency.

41:01 Gary Busey Mammals?

41:01 Drew Yeah.

41:02 Gary Busey Well, porpoises don't, they're a mammal.

41:04 Drew But, well, mammals in general have a tendency to try to self-stimulate. The dolphins will, you know, they'll...

41:10 Gary Busey Oh, self-stimulate, okay.

41:12 Drew That's part of that, part of that goes to trying to take things and change themselves.

41:15 Gary Busey Adam is good at that.

41:16 Adam I'll tell you what, I'll get a dolphin right in its blowhole.

41:18 Gary Busey What?

41:19 Drew I beg your pardon?

41:20 Adam You know what?

41:21 Gary Busey That's enough out of you.

41:21 Adam You can't expect to be...

41:22 Drew You blow a dolphin?

41:23 Adam You can't expect it to be called a blowhole and not have me investigate.

41:26 Drew Yeah.

41:26 Adam That's all I'm saying.

41:27 Drew Investigate is one thing, but trying it out is... Anyway, the... Oh my God.

41:33 Adam Well, what about this, though? I mean, maybe people were meant to take drugs.

41:37 Drew Well, this is what...

41:37 Adam You know what I'm saying?

41:38 Gary Busey Well, those are the people who are sick.

41:39 Drew This is the people who are sick, that have identified this basic urge to alter. There is a definite urge to stimulate and alter our central nervous system. However, what it ends up being is people that need to regulate. That impulse is much stronger. They're trying to feel better.

41:57 Adam Right.

41:58 Drew But there is a tendency just to feel good, right? Or you want to feel extra good.

42:02 Gary Busey Everybody likes to feel good.

42:03 Adam Or even different. I mean, if you...

42:05 Drew To feel altered, yeah.

42:05 Gary Busey But you know, the first time you do it, the next time you do it, you will never receive the first high you get. It will never come back to you that way. You're just chasing your tail that belongs to the devil.

42:17 Adam But if you think about things like dreaming and you think about sex and you think about roller coasters and you think about 20 foot waves and you think about going to a science fiction movie.

42:29 Drew That is all that.

42:31 Adam It's all that.

42:31 Drew It's all that. Where does that come from? Probably in battle, a need to sort of be...

42:35 Gary Busey I had a contract.

42:36 Drew You were aroused by being in battle.

42:38 Gary Busey I had a contract to get in that way.

42:39 Drew Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? More than 50 grand, by the way. Humans came out of a very violent era.

42:44 Adam You close your eyes every night in these crazy, elaborate, vivid things go on in your head. What about you?

42:49 Gary Busey Those are riddles. Those are riddles. A puzzle piece is to find your truth.

42:54 Adam Yeah, well.

42:54 Gary Busey That's what dreams are.

42:55 Adam I had a truth where my grandmother and my mother were trying to beat me with my scrotum sack in a swimming pool a few years ago.

43:03 Gary Busey That's how you feel about yourself because your grandmother and your mother are really you in the dream. Everybody in the dream is a part of you.

43:09 Drew He is the scrotum sack.

43:10 Gary Busey I know that. So does he.

43:13 Adam Either way, I don't want to ask.

43:14 Gary Busey I love that cute little scrotum smile you have.

43:16 Adam Thank you.

43:16 Drew It's better that it be your scrotum than your penis.

43:18 Adam Yeah.

43:19 Gary Busey It is. Do you know what happens when you cross a penis and the potato?

43:24 Adam What?

43:24 Gary Busey You get addicted.

43:25 Adam We'll take a quick.

43:26 Gary Busey Drew, take a break. I can't go.

43:28 Adam 61 years crazy. I mean young, everybody. We will take ourselves a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Loveline, we'll be right back.

43:41 Drew Loveline is brought to you by the American Legacy Foundation.

43:44 Adam It's free.

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43:46 Caller It's powerful.

43:47 Adam It's truth. Yeah, everybody. It's Loveline. Gary Busey.

43:56 Gary Busey Hello, everybody.

43:57 Caller It's Loveline. Adam Carolla.

44:00 Adam Gary Busey. Gary Busey.

44:04 Gary Busey I'm here, and I love it.

44:05 Adam Everyone loves Gary Busey. Gary Busey is almost turning into a George Foreman career-wise. Maybe people were scared of him in the past, but now he's so lovable, you just want to squeeze him.

44:20 Gary Busey You know, Adam, thank you for saying that, because that's true. I was very difficult, belligerent, and stupid, and didn't care for anything, especially myself. But I've come through that to see there ain't nothing to it when you get through it, and then you can consider other people's feelings first, and really have fun doing what you do.

44:35 Adam I was saying to Drew the other night, I think guys get better with age, and women get meaner with age. Guys, you know, we've had guys come through here, in the time that we've been here, Drew.

44:46 Drew Yeah, you're right.

44:47 Adam We've seen guys go from their mid-20s, maybe late-20s, testosterone-laden, aggressive, chip on the shoulder, something to prove to middle-30s, early-40s, laid-back, comfortable in their own skin.

45:03 Drew Be fair, most of that is caused by massive amounts of marijuana.

45:06 Adam Copious amounts of marijuana, usually. No, guys can be aggressive and can be...

45:12 Gary Busey That's because men are the first ones who are feeling... The first thing a man does not want to do, does not want to happen to him is being rejected or abandoned.

45:23 Adam Yeah, well, I don't know why you have to be in a hole in order to avoid being rejected or abandoned.

45:28 Drew You know how humans are, they got to bring on what they want to avoid.

45:30 Adam Right, right. I'm just saying guys are so much better when they mellow out a little bit, and they get a few years and some experience, and they get a little bit humble.

45:42 Gary Busey That's humble and humility is where I am now. Nothing like it.

45:45 Adam They admit they made a mistake or two, and they don't want to spend the second part of their life pissing people off. Or kicking ass or getting their ass kicked or whatever. However it works, eventually, it's either you get your nose broke or you break your hand.

46:01 Gary Busey One thing about my essence is that I've never been in a fistfight in my life, but I played football and I made action movies.

46:08 Adam Right. You put a shoulder into a sternum or two.

46:11 Gary Busey Yeah, that's fine. Snapping sternums, man, that's great. Let's see. I snapped the sternum with my forehead and moved my head up and loosened their teeth. Help them up off the ground, tell them I'll be right back.

46:22 Adam Where did you play football? You played in high school and you played in college?

46:24 Gary Busey I played grade school, junior high, high school, junior college and college.

46:28 Drew Were you a linebacker?

46:29 Gary Busey I was a linebacker in the center. I could snap the ball 30 yards into a bushel basket.

46:34 Adam You do the long snap.

46:35 Gary Busey I do the long snap and we had a high school offense where I would snap ahead of the back. I would snap ahead of the right halfback. He would have two steps on the defense. He would catch a ball in front of him two yards and we had a hit and a critical.

46:49 Adam So it was like student body right except for it didn't have to go to the quarterback.

46:53 Gary Busey It was based on the Arkansas offense in the early 60s.

46:56 Drew You could get away with that stuff in the 70s.

46:58 Adam Yeah, you could get away with the fumble-roosky.

47:01 Gary Busey Well, this was in the early 60s. Then I went to Coffeyville, Kansas Junior College, Kansas State College, and Oklahoma State University.

47:08 Adam We gotta take a break now.

47:09 Gary Busey We just took a break.

47:10 Adam I know, but we're running late.

47:12 Gary Busey What do you mean, we're running late?

47:13 Drew We're talking too much.

47:14 Adam We're talking too much. I'll tell you what we're gonna do.

47:16 Gary Busey Adam, you're talking too much.

47:17 Adam We're gonna start focusing when we come back. Gary Busey here. We'll be right back after this.

47:41 Gary Busey Oh, I'm talking low, I'm sorry.

47:43 Adam Hey, hello everybody, we're back in Loveline.

47:45 Gary Busey This is Gary Busey speaking for Adam and Dr. Drew. And we're glad you're here. Call us up and let us know something you're doing that we don't know. We can tell you how to do it and how to get out of it. Thank you very much.

47:53 Drew Two things.

47:54 Adam 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1.

47:56 Drew Yes, Drew. Two things. A, I know Adam is having the time of his life here because he can just sit back and let Gary run.

48:02 Adam Like Gary do the heavy lifting.

48:03 Drew It's awesome. Number two.

48:04 Gary Busey We play tickling P, too.

48:05 Drew I've seen Gary in action, and I've decided the way to deal with him is like the way you deal with an oncoming bear. Just roll, give him a fetal petition, put your hands over your head, just roll up. That's it.

48:14 Adam Now I think you should flap your arms and try to be bigger than you are. Yeah. Gary just attacked me when I...

48:22 Gary Busey It wasn't an attack. It was a great game called Thelon P. And you people out there that want to play tickling P, there's a tickler and the tickly. Well, the tickler is going to tickle the tickly. And the tickly has to let him, the tickly has to let the tickler tickle him for 45 seconds. If that tickly pees in 45 seconds, he wins or she wins a set of luggage and a chocolate bunny. It is a great party game.

48:44 Adam The joke's on Gary because I... He's an attractive, look, I'm a big fan. I mean, I've...

48:52 Gary Busey Do you know what the word gay stands for?

48:54 I saw a big one.

48:56 Gary Busey The word gay stands for good as you.

48:58 Adam All right.

48:59 Gary Busey No, gay stands for good as you.

49:00 Adam All right, good as you, yeah.

49:01 Gary Busey Which is homosexual, talking to heterosexuals, and God bless the homosexuals. They're doing great out there.

49:06 Adam I'm glad Gary isn't gay because he'd be into that rough trade.

49:10 Drew He'd be into you. He'd be in you.

49:12 There's nothing you could do.

49:14 Drew If you were.

49:15 Gary Busey I kind of like the engineer.

49:16 Adam Yeah, Chris. Chris, yeah, he is a definite type. He's a definite type, yeah.

49:24 Gary Busey You know what?

49:25 Adam He's Grecoactive, too.

49:26 Gary Busey You are bisexual, though, Adam.

49:29 Adam Well, I am now. After the mild raping you just gave me in the studio.

49:32 Gary Busey That was Tickle and P, pal.

49:33 Adam Well, I call it rape.

49:34 Gary Busey You want to play again?

49:35 Drew No, no, no, no.

49:38 Gary Busey Come on, Tickle and P.

49:41 Adam Look, I'm going to crack.

49:42 Drew For those at home, it's pretty fascinating. It's sad. Gary has come across the studio. Those are my nipples. And has attacked Adam. Running his hands all over his body.

49:54 Gary Busey Is your groin.

49:57 Drew Yeah, no, I'm not sure that was Big Tickle. It was Big sort of.

50:01 Adam That was fun, wasn't it? That was an attack. You'll be here.

50:04 Gary Busey This is live and in color.

50:06 Adam You'll be hearing from my lawyers and my seconds. I said good day, sir.

50:11 Drew Oh no, Gary, you said good day.

50:13 Gary Busey Man, I love coming down here.

50:15 Adam Yeah, we love having you.

50:17 Gary Busey This is the last time I think I'll be here though, so hello.

50:19 Adam Nah, it's all right. I got a good deal. Here's the thing.

50:23 Drew No, no, no, it's all right, it's all good.

50:25 Gary Busey Hey, guess what?

50:26 Drew What?

50:26 Gary Busey You're next. No, Gary, no.

50:27 Adam I have not.

50:28 Gary Busey Dr. Drew is next to get tickled.

50:30 Adam You know, the thing that's weird, I haven't been after it in a long time. You know, my whole life, I used to just be getting abused when my buddy's in the valley. It's been a while.

50:39 Drew Yeah, yeah.

50:40 Adam I always was hoping.

50:40 Drew You seem like it was familiar territory for you.

50:43 Adam When felt up by celebrity, though, I was picturing like a Jennifer Connelly or maybe Jennifer Aniston in my mind when I thought physically felt up by celebrity.

50:55 Gary Busey Yeah.

50:55 Adam Like it would have been one of those things.

50:56 Gary Busey Hey, you're not being felt up, you're just being tickled.

50:58 Drew Well, okay, but-

50:59 Gary Busey It's to get your juices going, buddy.

51:01 Drew In your old former life, you would have peed on him.

51:03 Adam If somebody would have said, though, if somebody would have said to me like one week ago, one week from now, you'll have a major celebrity put their hands all over you. And run them across your thighs and your chest. I would have been like, oh, boy, this is going to be awesome.

51:19 Gary Busey Well, here, let's do it again.

51:20 Adam No, no.

51:22 I wasn't picturing Gary Busey. You did really good.

51:24 Gary Busey You're a good sport.

51:25 Adam It was one of those Twilight Zone trick. I would have agreed to it immediately.

51:28 Gary Busey By the way, I'd like the audience to know out there that Adam did not pee, so he did not win the luggage or the chocolate bunny.

51:33 Drew Oh, you have to pee to win the bunny.

51:35 Gary Busey You have to pee to win, yeah. It'd be good to just pee and get it over with. Just eat the bunny and go.

51:39 Adam What I did, I should get a stereo for what I did. No, I did number two.

51:44 Drew You said you came and then you did number two, both. You've been all the way around.

51:47 Adam Yeah, I've been around.

51:47 Gary Busey Yeah.

51:50 Drew Radio.

51:50 Adam Whoa, radio.

51:51 Gary Busey Oh, sorry. I feel like I'm in my living room with these two, yeah, these two, these two pioneers. These two pioneers are microwaving.

52:02 Adam Michelle.

52:03 Gary Busey Hi, Michelle.

52:04 Adam Hello.

52:04 Gary Busey Yeah, my bad.

52:05 Adam Let's cut Gary off the coffee.

52:09 Drew He said cut Gary.

52:10 Adam Drew, start putting something in it. What do you got to do in that drink?

52:13 Caller You know what I mean?

52:14 Adam Let's start it.

52:16 Caller Hello.

52:16 Drew I said cut the coffee.

52:17 Adam Cut the coffee. That's all I'm saying.

52:19 Gary Busey Michelle.

52:20 Caller Yeah.

52:20 Gary Busey I told you. Hi, Michelle. Hi.

52:22 Adam Hold on. What's coffee stand for?

52:24 Drew No, it's cut is the word that you put it down.

52:26 Adam Yeah.

52:26 Gary Busey Yeah. But if you ever if I ever hear the word cut, I quit talking.

52:29 Adam Oh, that's right. That's right. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that.

52:33 Gary Busey I can stop talking.

52:33 Drew But there was a minute.

52:36 Adam Michelle, what's happening? What's happening?

52:40 Caller Hi, Adam. I love you.

52:42 Adam Thank you.

52:43 Drew What's up?

52:43 Caller You know, I played Adam Carolla in my neighbor's pool and they didn't know about it.

52:49 Adam But they caught on to it. Yeah, Gary, I want to replace. I want to replace the summer pool game Marco Polo with Adam Corolla.

52:59 Drew Adam Corolla, Adam Corolla.

53:02 Adam You know, instead of that Marco Polo crap, you know what I mean? That would be my legacy.

53:06 Gary Busey Marco Polo's been dead for quite a while.

53:08 Adam Yeah, it's been.

53:09 Drew Could be Gary Busey.

53:11 Gary Busey No, it's not going to be that. I don't know what this is. Is this kind of manufacturing?

53:14 Adam Well, what this is, what no, what this is, is Gary, his legacy is his body of work. Yes. He has all his great films.

53:20 Drew You need a game left behind.

53:21 Adam I don't have anything to leave behind.

53:23 Drew Yeah, you do.

53:23 Gary Busey Your dirty clothes.

53:25 Adam Yeah, that's all I have is laundry and the underpants with the hash mark on it.

53:30 Gary Busey No, no, it's got P marks in it.

53:33 Adam Front and back. Michelle?

53:35 Caller Yes.

53:36 Adam Thank you for playing that with your neighbors.

53:37 Drew Michelle's got the-

53:38 Caller I was in there. I go in their pool every night and they don't know about it.

53:43 Drew What's the deal, Michelle?

53:44 Adam What's up, baby? You got that young voice. That's trouble.

53:48 Caller Okay, well, I'm 16. I live in Michigan and in Canada, you can start stripping at 16.

53:57 Drew Perfect. There we go. There's that impulse again. Yeah, the reason you think about that.

54:02 Adam Really, you can start at 16 in Canada.

54:05 Caller Yeah, you can drive. I want to drive over the border and-

54:09 Drew Yeah, it scared me.

54:10 Adam I said 16, you can start stripping in Canada.

54:13 Gary Busey Why would you want to strip at 16?

54:15 Caller I really need to get out of my home situation.

54:19 Gary Busey Well, stripping in Canada when you're 16, is that the only way you can get out of your home situation?

54:25 Caller It's like 500 bucks a night.

54:28 Drew That's not what he asked.

54:29 Adam Yeah, but why do you have to get out of your home situation?

54:31 Gary Busey You make $500 everywhere.

54:33 Adam Yeah, why do you have to get out of it?

54:36 Caller I did not get along with my family.

54:39 Drew We definitely got the deaf and abuse vibe from you.

54:41 Adam Were you abused?

54:43 Caller Like how?

54:44 Adam Sexually? Physically?

54:48 Caller Well, I think, yes. My mom thinks no. So I'd have to go with no on that.

54:54 Adam What do you mean yes? You think you're sexually abused?

54:57 Caller Oh, no, no. I thought you said physical.

54:59 Adam Yeah, either one. Physically abused. Why do you think you're physically abused?

55:03 Caller Because I get spanked with hangers and stuff.

55:07 Drew There you go. That's physical abuse. It's those kids that are physically abused leave home. If there's not abuse in the home, people don't leave. Kids don't leave. They live. They leave when they're being abused. So the whole impulse.

55:18 Gary Busey What about emotional abuse?

55:19 Drew It all. Well, it's usually explicit abuse. Emotional abuse gives them the sort of motivation. The explicit abuse makes sure that it actually happens.

55:26 Adam Right. All right. And is your is your mother and father still married? Or is this a stepdad or what happened?

55:32 Caller My father, I don't I just found out where he is last Christmas. I don't know him.

55:40 Drew How old were you when he left?

55:43 Caller Like, they were never really together, but they got together.

55:46 Drew Have the other men in the house been?

55:48 Caller No, I don't have any other men in my house.

55:50 Drew Never been any boyfriends of hers or stepdads or anything? All right.

55:54 Adam Here's here's the problem with your Canadian stripping.

55:57 Caller Yeah.

55:58 Adam Yeah. We're going to go to Canada. You're going to start stripping and then you're going to get into drugs and then you're going to meet some unsavory people who are going to take advantage of you because your age and the next thing you know you're going to be working parties and you're going to have a hundred Asian businessmen on top of you at once. Oh, wow. You're going to be doing porn and you're going to get pregnant and you're going to get venereal disease and you're going to get strung out and then a very short year and a half. You're going to be a complete disaster.

56:27 Drew I was thinking over the weekend how to talk to kids like this. We had a couple of these last week and they're going, well, I don't see what the big problem is. Remember that one was doing pornography and she was gleeful about it?

56:35 Adam Yes.

56:36 Drew And I thought, you know, I think the only way they can understand this, because that story you just told is factual, but they're like, oh yeah, not me, man. You don't understand. It's me we're talking about here.

56:44 Adam Yeah.

56:44 Drew So let's just say, Michelle, it takes a piece of your soul away from you. Can you understand that?

56:49 Gary Busey Good point, good point.

56:50 Drew You sacrifice a piece of your soul to this stuff.

56:53 Caller Would it like working at a crappy job that I hate do the same thing?

56:57 Drew That actually might enhance your soul as a matter of fact. That actually gives people character.

57:01 Adam I'll tell you the other thing too. I'll tell you the other thing too.

57:04 Gary Busey Right on.

57:05 Adam Everyone, let me do a little Gary Busey-esque preaching to my flock for just one second. You people underestimate the worth of being hungry. If you get a job at 16 where you're making 500 bucks a night, you ain't hungry. And you will just flatline until eventually your boobs get too saggy to go back out on stage and then you got nothing in the bank. You got to be hungry. Everybody who's successful, and I don't care what line of business they're in, at one point was hungry. And started in the mail room. This kid is starving over here. He's like a Biafra. He hasn't eaten in years, this kid. He is hungry. He is piranha like hungry.

57:49 Drew Struggles through those junior college courses.

57:51 Adam Piranha that did a bong load. That's how hungry engineer Chris is. You need to be hungry. If it's too early, too often, too much, too soon, you lose that. If somebody kicks off and leaves you a trust fund and you get a few million bucks at 18, look at all the people, you know, just think about the people you've known in your life that had a wad of money come their way at 18. Up their nose, cars, nothing. They didn't learn anything. They weren't hungry. You have to be forged by life.

58:21 Drew It's not even just about the being hungry. It's also the discipline of doing crappy-esque. You don't want to do the long periods of time and doing well at it and moving up.

58:30 Adam That's it. And so if you get in the 500 bucks a night at 16 is not only bad for your spirit, but it hurts your muscles.

58:40 Gary Busey You don't grow.

58:41 Adam You don't get strong. You have to develop those muscles. If someone, it's sort of the equivalent to you playing a sport and everyone just falling down and letting you run into the end zone. They're not doing you a favor. You don't develop those muscles. And if you don't develop those muscles before the age, in your early 20s, you just take it right to the grave. You just go to the grave. Those years between 16, 17, up to like 21, 22, those were those are the years you have to forge those and really work those muscles. This ain't the way to do it.

59:14 Drew Right. All right. There you go.

59:15 Adam All right.

59:16 Drew Thank you, Mr. Man.

59:17 Adam Wow.

59:18 Drew You're the man.

59:19 Adam Yeah. Is that Bell?

59:21 Drew Yeah.

59:22 Caller Yeah.

59:23 Adam Year 20?

59:24 Caller Yes.

59:25 Your name is Bell?

59:26 Caller Yes. Hi.

59:27 Adam It's a nice name. I never hear it on this show.

59:30 Drew None of this show, no.

59:30 Adam All right.

59:31 Drew Why?

59:31 Adam You do another radio show?

59:32 Drew No, I've just heard it out in the world a few times.

59:34 Caller Oh, okay.

59:35 Drew Nurses have that name.

59:36 Adam What's that? Yeah. We have 65-year-old women with thyroid problems and question marks around their sexuality. Shoes without laces that you work with are named Bell, but not 20-year-old or nubile young chicks from Berkeley. Is there someone in your family named Bell?

59:54 Caller No, it's just, yeah, I don't know.

59:58 Adam Okay, go ahead.

1:00:00 Caller Okay, so my question was in regard to what...

1:00:04 Adam Be nice as a guy if you could just laugh and move on.

1:00:06 Drew Yes, whatever.

1:00:08 Adam People go like... Well, you just do like...

1:00:11 Gary Busey Hey, that was good. I don't understand.

1:00:13 Adam If you went to high school, I don't understand why you don't have a diploma. Well, it's kind of like, eh, you just move on. As a guy, we never had that... It'd be like, hey, Hole, why are you laughing? I'll finish the story. It'd be nice as a guy just to be able to pull out that chuckle card and move forward. Kicks you into the next...

1:00:32 Gary Busey Where did you learn all this stuff, Adam?

1:00:33 Drew We have just observed it. Just this...

1:00:36 Gary Busey You're bouncing. Are you nervous? Are you afraid I'm going to tickle you again?

1:00:38 Drew Oh, he is, yes. But it's just...

1:00:40 Gary Busey Next time you pee, buddy.

1:00:43 Adam Thank God I evacuated myself before I came in. I knew Busey is coming in.

1:00:47 Drew I ran out and did myself.

1:00:48 Adam Fleet enema. And just to go ahead and put the trucker's catheter right on me.

1:00:53 Drew I wonder what you're asking me to catheterize you.

1:00:54 Adam Pee all the way to the studio.

1:00:55 Gary Busey That's great. I'm very proud of you.

1:00:57 Adam Thank you, buddy.

1:00:58 Drew You guys do have a sort of couple outs. They have... Yeah, but still.

1:01:01 Adam Well, yeah, but still. Yeah, they do have that.

1:01:02 Drew I'm just saying.

1:01:03 Adam Yeah, they have that. They have that, too.

1:01:05 Drew That's the giggle.

1:01:06 Adam The giggle is easier, though.

1:01:08 Caller Yes.

1:01:09 Drew All right.

1:01:09 Adam So what's your question?

1:01:10 Caller Okay. My question is in regard to what Dr. Drew just said a minute ago about how if you're hit with hangers, that's child abuse?

1:01:19 Drew Objects, yes. Hit with objects is considered physical abuse, and it's been well documented what the effect is of that on the central nervous system.

1:01:27 Caller Oh, wow.

1:01:29 Drew It changes the way people regulate their emotion. And if you're a child who wants to leave home, who's intent upon leaving the house, you can predict with very great accuracy that there's been some abuse, physical or sexual, and physical is a very common form. That's not what's making her want to leave right now. All the emotional chaos is making her want to leave. But when kids have been physically abused, sexually abused, that's when they do leave. Those are the kids that leave.

1:01:50 Gary Busey That's a fact.

1:01:51 Adam Yeah.

1:01:52 Gary Busey All right, now, you good?

1:01:54 Caller Yeah. Wait, no.

1:01:56 Caller I actually, my question was in regards to what Dr. Drew thought about the common practice of like stanking and hitting with objects, particularly hands.

1:02:06 Adam I'm just for it.

1:02:06 Drew I'm not for it. I refer you to a work of a guy named Alan Shor, S-C-H-O-R-E. You can get some of his publication online. It talks about the effect of abuse on brain development. And you'll see how that works.

1:02:19 Adam Yeah, I'm wondering, trying to think of the folks, and I don't know how the Middle Eastern cats do with their kids, but I think there's a lot of ass-whooping going on over there.

1:02:30 Drew Yeah, it affects people.

1:02:31 Adam I know the black community does a fair amount of ass-whooping.

1:02:33 Drew It affects.

1:02:34 Adam You end up in prison later on in life because you get into an argument with someone at a fast food restaurant. Next thing you know, you're hitting them on the head with a tray because in your world, that's how you interact. And now you're in jail.

1:02:48 Drew It affects how aggression develops. It affects how emotional regulation occurs. You can't regulate and it affects the ability to develop empathy.

1:02:56 Gary Busey One thing about emotions, you cannot control your emotions, but you can manage them.

1:03:02 Adam Yeah. Well, I'd like to see a study of places in the world, cultures, whatever, that do the most beating on their kids and see how the prison population is and see what percentage and all that kind of stuff.

1:03:14 Gary Busey That'd be great research.

1:03:16 Adam I do think that a lot of the problem in certain cultures, especially in the Middle East, is there's a lot of ass whooping early and often. And whenever they go back and look at these guys like, well, Saddam Hussein had a stepdad who did this to him. And then he had an uncle that was very aggressive.

1:03:32 Gary Busey Blame it on the ancestors. Blame it on the ancestors.

1:03:35 Adam Well, they learned by the age of 10 that violence is the way to resolve conflict. And then they have no problem gassing a few thousand curds.

1:03:43 Drew Well, the whole empathic area of the brain doesn't develop under those conditions.

1:03:47 Gary Busey Well, one thing about this, once you've chosen your behavior, you've already chosen your consequences.

1:03:52 Drew I like that. Yeah, aggression and that kind of stuff against kids is an interesting phenomena. But we worked out so much of how it affects kids now. Why would we?

1:04:00 Adam Be nice to stop.

1:04:01 Drew Yeah, be nice to stop. We now know it has profound effects. It affects the capacity for emotional development.

1:04:06 Adam Well, not only that.

1:04:07 Drew Empathy of others. It blocks all that.

1:04:09 Adam But how about you beat the crap out of... I mean, let's just take it a step further, which is we now make the correlation between what you do to your kid physically and what that kid does to society physically. So now, when you beat the crap out of your kid and then your kid shows up to the eighth grade and starts beating the crap out of my kid, now you're liable for it.

1:04:27 Gary Busey That's a familiar thing that you carry with you.

1:04:29 Drew If you don't believe this, try that kind of familiar action. Try that kind of discipline on a puppy or a kitten and see what you get when they grow up. Just go ahead and do that. Do what you do to the kid on a kitten and see what that cat's like when it's an adult.

1:04:41 Gary Busey Ooh, heavy.

1:04:43 Adam But do they ever become adults or do they just become cats?

1:04:46 Drew They become cats.

1:04:46 Gary Busey It sounds like a movie of the week. It's a good one.

1:04:49 Adam Lewis, Luis, which one is it?

1:04:52 Adam Adam.

1:04:53 Adam Corolla. It must be Lewis because you grew up rich and you're calling from the Palisades. If you're a poor and you're calling from San Fernando, it would be Luis.

1:05:03 Adam Yeah, man. Definitely. No, I'm just... Like you said, alright, this is how the trust deal works, alright? My dad died.

1:05:10 How does it work?

1:05:11 Adam Somebody left you money?

1:05:13 Adam Yeah, my dad died when I was two of lung cancer and, incidentally, he never smoked a cigarette in his life.

1:05:20 Drew So that must have been second-hand smoke.

1:05:22 Adam Must have been second-hand smoke that killed him then.

1:05:26 Adam Well, he worked at a water-purifying company which produced a lot of smoke.

1:05:29 Drew No, no, still must have been second-hand smoke.

1:05:31 Adam So he left some money behind.

1:05:34 Adam He left me about two million dollars. Whoa.

1:05:37 Adam Wow.

1:05:39 Adam And the thing is, you don't get like the whole amount of it at 18. He divided it so that like I would get a monthly check of around $3,000 as it's coming right now. And then when I hit 21, you get a third of what's left of the balance.

1:05:55 Drew Louis, that's how your dad set up his will. What's your point here?

1:05:59 Adam Well, the point is that, you know, when you, you know, when you talk about these rich kids, I already affected his education, obviously.

1:06:04 Drew Clearly.

1:06:05 Adam Yeah. When you're talking about these rich kids, you know, getting all this money at 18, there's not necessarily being handed to them all at once. The kids, I actually know some kids who got it, actually got half of their trust all at once.

1:06:18 Adam So instead of getting the whole 5 million, they just got 2.5 at 18.

1:06:22 Drew Yeah. And not only that, by the way, I see. Maybe we weren't talking about those kids, by the way. Luis makes a very compelling point, by the way, very valid, that there's nobody that receives a lot of money.

1:06:32 Adam It's impossible because it comes in incrementally.

1:06:33 Drew Always.

1:06:34 Adam And by the way, when you're 18 and you're getting three grand a month, That's huge. You're done.

1:06:37 Gary Busey That is huge. Yeah, that's great. You should be counting your blessings, aren't you?

1:06:41 Adam I'm counting your blessings or?

1:06:42 Adam It is. It is nice. You know what?

1:06:45 Adam Or were you cut off at the knees?

1:06:47 Adam No. You know what? It's kind of, it's a funny thing because money...

1:06:50 Drew Where are you going to college? Where are you going to college?

1:06:53 Adam Hopefully, I plan to go to either UCLA or University of California Santa Cruz.

1:06:57 Drew We are... Oh, Santa Cruz. You're 18. You should be already in.

1:07:01 Adam Yeah. Well, I was... I've had a hard childhood. Like when my dad died, stepdad moved in. The name is Jerry and my mom and him have just been fighting a lot on and off. They got married when I was 11.

1:07:17 Adam Are you working now or are you living at home or what are you doing?

1:07:20 Adam I'm living at home. My mom turned her garage into an apartment, living there.

1:07:25 Drew Joe Trash, decorative popcorn tin. Oh, please.

1:07:28 Adam Yeah.

1:07:28 Adam Yeah, you're living at home.

1:07:31 Adam I do gigs and bars and like...

1:07:33 Gary Busey What kind of gigs?

1:07:35 Adam I do music. I'm a musician.

1:07:37 Gary Busey What do you play?

1:07:38 Adam I play guitar, drums, bass, piano.

1:07:41 Gary Busey Do you write your songs?

1:07:42 Drew What'd you get in your SATs?

1:07:44 Adam Yeah. By the way, Gary Busey, you're an awesome man. I had to say that.

1:07:49 Gary Busey Thanks, partner.

1:07:49 Drew What'd you get in your SAT, Louis?

1:07:50 Gary Busey I want you to be an awesome young man and do what's right.

1:07:53 Drew What'd you get in your SAT? I made a point by this. He didn't take his SATs, the whole point. He's not never going to college. This is ridiculous.

1:08:00 Adam Well, he's gonna go to Santa Cruz.

1:08:02 Drew We're kiddin here.

1:08:03 Adam All right, but you make a very valid point.

1:08:06 Drew Now, here is somebody who's blaming his past, but the reality is he's been cut off the knees by the present.

1:08:11 Gary Busey That's a fact, Jack.

1:08:13 Adam I don't even know what his point is.

1:08:14 Drew He had no point. He's very concrete in his thinking. It was all about him.

1:08:17 Adam Well, my point was when you take a young male especially, but females too in this day and age of equality.

1:08:27 Drew And give them too much stuff.

1:08:28 Adam Give them too much too early. They lose their hunger and they need to be humble. You need to be humble and build yourself up. Not think you're better than you are at 17.

1:08:39 Drew Or not think that when two guys are talking about other people on the radio, they're talking about you. And not think that you're gonna someday go to college but not take the SATs.

1:08:47 Adam But he enlightened us to this part where you get half and then you get a stipend.

1:08:52 Drew His dad, his particular will set it up.

1:08:55 Adam By the way, everyone has been set up that way in the last 25 years, pretty much. All those wills where they leave money.

1:09:03 Drew They get set up incrementally, they come out of stages.

1:09:06 Adam Yeah, I know, but here's the thing. If someone leaves you 10 million bucks and you get half of it when you're 18, still a decent chunk of change.

1:09:17 Drew Not only that, what are you working towards?

1:09:19 Adam Right.

1:09:20 Gary Busey What are your ambitions and your goals?

1:09:22 Adam I just think it's tough and then what you have to do is, Drew, because you got a few ducats in the bank and you got a couple of sons, then you get to that point where you can't or won't get them things that they know are within your means. You know what I mean?

1:09:37 Drew Yeah, right.

1:09:38 Adam They want this, they want that.

1:09:39 Gary Busey They have to get things within your own means.

1:09:41 Adam Then they end up presenting it.

1:09:42 Drew But here's the money is for education only. All right, Drew.

1:09:46 Caller There you go.

1:09:46 Adam And rehab. Justin?

1:09:48 Drew And rehab, yeah.

1:09:51 Adam What's happening?

1:09:53 Caller And my girlfriend, my lover, but she's not enjoying the oral sex thing.

1:09:58 Drew When you do it to her or when she does it to you?

1:10:02 Caller When she does it to me, and actually she hasn't done it in over a year. Said she would do it once in a while, maybe once a year, but even before she started not doing it, she wasn't very good at it. She only did it a few times.

1:10:12 Drew What's the problem?

1:10:14 Caller I think part of the problem is like when we first had sex, it was only the third time she had ever had sex, and she was 28 at the time. He says that she doesn't like it.

1:10:27 Gary Busey I'm not sure about that.

1:10:28 Adam All right. Well, look, there's something here. Either she's a devout Christian or her stepdad forced her to perform oral on him when she was 13 and she's not talking about it.

1:10:38 Gary Busey That's a pretty good point.

1:10:40 Caller Nothing like that. She only does like the taste of it. She doesn't enjoy it.

1:10:43 Drew She did it a couple of times. Then don't eject her.

1:10:46 Caller Hold on.

1:10:46 Adam She didn't. She only had sex a couple of times at age 28. Yeah.

1:10:52 Caller She had sex in college and she had another boyfriend between then. Then I was like one of her.

1:10:56 Gary Busey That's probably more than twice.

1:10:58 Drew She means number three.

1:10:59 Caller She only had sex with two guys once each.

1:11:02 Drew Once each.

1:11:03 Adam Something's up with this chick, Justin.

1:11:06 Caller No, she was just really kind of a wallflower for a while.

1:11:09 Gary Busey She's moving. She's slowly moving away from you.

1:11:12 Drew She's getting loud and clear. Bogus.

1:11:13 Adam Yeah, I got bogus too.

1:11:15 Gary Busey It's called pushing away from you.

1:11:17 Adam No, I got bogus early and often in this call too.

1:11:22 Caller Okay, I promise this is true. My girlfriend is very smart. She's very well together. She's even a teacher, right?

1:11:30 Adam She's a college degree.

1:11:32 Gary Busey All right.

1:11:33 Drew So that means anything.

1:11:34 Adam That doesn't mean anything in the bogus part.

1:11:36 Gary Busey Here's what you do. You go slow and you let nature take you.

1:11:39 Adam A college degree never helped in the oral department. You know what I mean? It actually, it's a hindrance. It's like saying, oh, the guy's got a college degree, therefore he must be a great heavyweight.

1:11:50 Gary Busey That depends on what you're majoring in.

1:11:51 Adam Yeah. And they don't have, well, they have like oral communication, but I think-

1:11:55 Drew And then why? Because it's just like how it tastes, but he's never offered to not ejaculate.

1:11:59 Is that-

1:12:01 Adam I don't know. Let me just finish with Justin. Justin. Yeah. She ain't into this. And-

1:12:07 Drew But why go all the way to ejaculation then if that's the deal breaker for her?

1:12:11 Gary Busey If she's not in it, don't do it.

1:12:12 Drew Yeah.

1:12:13 Gary Busey Respect her wishes. Why not stop?

1:12:15 Drew Why not do something before that happens?

1:12:17 Caller That's a good idea. Should I offer to do that? She might like that.

1:12:21 Adam It's so bogus.

1:12:21 Drew See, Justin, that sounds so bogus. It's just that either you're incredible in 19- You're waiting a year and you're desperately waiting and you've never thought of that? It's like, come on.

1:12:28 Adam I bet you Gary's tastes like a shy latte.

1:12:32 Caller A little bit comes up before you ejaculate anyway, I'm sure you know.

1:12:35 Adam Well, not with the Ace man. I've got a washerless system down there.

1:12:39 Drew He has no leakage.

1:12:40 Adam Drew, as a man of passion.

1:12:42 Drew Overflowing.

1:12:42 Adam Overflowing.

1:12:43 Gary Busey Will you collect things, Adam?

1:12:45 Adam Are we allowed to say that?

1:12:47 Drew No, we can't say that. Here's the deal, you can not- She can go until, you know, not getting a full dose.

1:12:55 Gary Busey Who cares?

1:12:56 Drew And then finally, he was waiting for 85 minutes, for God's sake.

1:12:59 Adam All right.

1:13:00 Drew And then finally, this may be something that she has an aversion to for whatever reason.

1:13:05 Adam There's something going on.

1:13:07 Gary Busey There's something going on.

1:13:08 Drew You know, I have talked to a few patients when this has happened, when they were like caretakers of sick, you know, if sick parents for a little many years and sort of the whole thing about you. You know, to freak them out because they were cleaning them up and stuff.

1:13:20 Gary Busey Right.

1:13:20 Drew And so there may be, whatever is traumatizing to her and you're going to have to respect that.

1:13:25 Adam But it's also fair to say that there's a certain percentage of society.

1:13:29 Drew Not into it.

1:13:30 Adam It's just not into anything.

1:13:32 Drew And that's maybe a mismatch.

1:13:35 Gary Busey One thing a lot of people don't know is that your mind has the ability to make 15,000 decisions in one second. Just make sure your mind is clear when you're thinking about others. Wow.

1:13:46 Caller All right.

1:13:47 Adam Let's let's decide to take a break.

1:13:50 Drew Yes, sir. That is one of one of our 15,000.

1:13:53 Adam Gary Busey in studio tonight. We've got a big fan who's waiting on hold for Gary. We'll talk to you after this.

1:14:03 Caller Hello.

1:14:04 Gary Busey This is your radio.

1:14:06 Adam Loveline will be right back.

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1:14:20 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, 1-800-LOVE-191, Gary Busey. The always entertaining, the provocative, the thought-provoking Gary Busey.

1:14:30 Gary Busey The unpredictable GB.

1:14:32 Adam The unpredictable Gary Busey in studio tonight. Celebrity Fit Club 2 on VH1 is his show. Now, when they approached you to do this, were you gung-ho, or did you think, man, I want to protect myself or?

1:14:47 Gary Busey It was very much a surprise to be paid to be training. And I took it on. I said, this would be lovely for me because I weighed 220 pounds and just went through a teeth, a teeth, tooth surgery. And I said, wow, this is great. This is a blessing from God. I'm going to do it. The show has inspired me to take care of myself so much that I want to be inspiring to others.

1:15:07 Drew How much time is it requiring?

1:15:08 Gary Busey I want to be inspiring to others to take care of themselves. How much time?

1:15:11 Drew Is it just every day for three weeks kind of thing?

1:15:13 Gary Busey No, no, it's two and a half months shooting. We only shoot on Saturday and Sunday and sometimes Friday.

1:15:17 Drew And you train every day for it?

1:15:19 Gary Busey I don't train. I train lightly every day because muscle weighs more than fat and I'm here to go down the road. I've already, I reached my goal weight set by the paddle five weeks ago and I'm still going down because there's a team who weighs the least wins.

1:15:34 Drew So this is like the biggest loser kind of structure?

1:15:37 Gary Busey No, not at all. Forget that.

1:15:39 Adam Come on, Drew, it's nothing to do with that.

1:15:42 Drew But in the sense that they're teams that lose weight.

1:15:43 Gary Busey The biggest loser is a negative word.

1:15:45 Adam Drew, this is a group of people attempting to lose the most combined amount of weight.

1:15:50 Gary Busey You're right, again.

1:15:52 Adam Unlike that other show you mentioned where it was a group of people attempting to lose the most combined amount of weight.

1:15:57 Gary Busey Hey, listen, here's what's interesting.

1:15:58 Adam There's four people.

1:15:58 Caller I want to understand people.

1:16:01 Gary Busey We got eight people on the show.

1:16:02 Adam That's right.

1:16:03 Gary Busey Jackie A, who was on Sister Sister, one of Amy's several years ago. Delight. Victoria Jackson, who was on Saturday Night Live.

1:16:10 Adam She put on a couple of pounds. Victoria did when she was a gymnast.

1:16:14 Gary Busey Yes. Takara Takara is a lady who's a big woman model. Janney Janney is the lead singer for a group called Warrenton. His big hit record was Cherry Pie.

1:16:24 Drew I know it.

1:16:24 Gary Busey And then we got Phil.

1:16:25 Adam Every strip club I ever sat in, that's all I ever heard.

1:16:28 Gary Busey Big Phil is on Viva La Bam on MTV. His son Bam beats him up a lot.

1:16:34 Drew Oh yeah.

1:16:34 Adam Yeah. Big bearded Phil.

1:16:36 Gary Busey So that's Janney, Jackie A, Phil.

1:16:37 Adam Now this is your team. Willie Aimes, Victoria Jackson. What about the Snapple Lady?

1:16:42 Gary Busey Snapple Lady is on a team.

1:16:45 Drew Opposing team.

1:16:46 Gary Busey Well see you gotta watch it cause I can't tell you what goes on the show. There's changes going on along to keep it alive.

1:16:51 Adam I just saw that Gary was yelling at the Snapple Lady. He was trying to get a little prayer going and she wanted a little non-denominational stuff.

1:16:58 Drew She was going to a little Jewish direction.

1:17:00 Gary Busey Yeah, Jewish.

1:17:01 Adam Yeah, no.

1:17:02 Gary Busey Nothing wrong with the Jews.

1:17:03 Adam Well, nothing wrong but leave it out of the boxing gym. That's all I'm saying.

1:17:07 Gary Busey The Jews are great fighters, man.

1:17:08 Adam Not since Max Bear as a Jew has been so prolific in the ring. All right, you ready to rock?

1:17:14 Drew Let's do it.

1:17:16 Caller Mark?

1:17:18 Adam Gary Busey!

1:17:20 Gary Busey Hey buddy, how are you?

1:17:22 Caller Hey Adam, you're a god, Adam. Drew, you're a god.

1:17:26 Adam Gary Busey, you're a god. I've watched you forever in a day.

1:17:29 Caller How are you?

1:17:29 Drew Gary's a god amongst gods.

1:17:31 Adam Yeah, he certainly is.

1:17:32 Gary Busey Let's be careful with that word. I'm just a normal Texas boy.

1:17:38 Caller Yeah, but I've watched you on the big screen forever. And at first I got to find out something from you, Gary.

1:17:43 Caller What was your favorite role?

1:17:45 Gary Busey That was Buddy Holly, the Buddy Holly story. That was a pure and definite characterization that I did without acting or anything. I just went up and listened and talked.

1:17:53 Adam You were nominated for that, were you not?

1:17:55 Caller Yeah, I was.

1:17:56 Adam Who won that year?

1:17:57 Gary Busey John Boyd for coming home. Oh, screw that.

1:17:59 Caller Nah, it's been you, Gary.

1:18:00 Adam It should have been you.

1:18:01 Gary Busey That year was Warren Beatty for Heaven Can Wait, Bobby De Niro for Dear Hunter, Lars Olivier from Boys of Brazil and John Boyd for coming home and me for Buddy Holly.

1:18:11 Adam Let me say, let me kiss a little Busey ass for just one second.

1:18:15 Gary Busey You don't have to do that.

1:18:16 Adam That's okay.

1:18:16 Gary Busey I'm fine.

1:18:17 Adam An ever shrinking Busey ass, I might add as well. A new road mark right here in the studio.

1:18:22 Gary Busey A new highway sign.

1:18:24 Adam I see. I've said this before about when like Val Kilmer played Jim Morrison. I thought he did a great job.

1:18:31 Gary Busey He did a great job.

1:18:32 Adam And I thought Gary Busey did a great job playing Buddy Holly. And I've said that it's a much taller order to play somebody that everyone is familiar with. I mean, impossible is, is, is, is non-actors, Drew. You could see.

1:18:46 Gary Busey Well, Buddy Holly's story was the first musical done live. I sang those songs and played them. Yeah. Well, that will be the day when you say goodbye. That will be the day.

1:18:55 Adam Drew, could you stop singing and let me finish my story?

1:18:58 Gary Busey You say you're going to leave it, you know what's in life.

1:19:06 Adam Gary's got his guitar too. He's got a place. Here's all I'm saying.

1:19:09 Gary Busey That will be the day.

1:19:10 Adam Drew, if somebody said to you, if someone said, you're going to have to play Hanger Vietnam Vets, confined to a wheelchair, or you're going to have to play someone like Richard Nixon.

1:19:20 Drew No, Vietnam Vets, no problem.

1:19:23 Adam Hands down, playing somebody that everyone is very familiar with.

1:19:27 Drew Ray Charles.

1:19:29 Gary Busey I think I could. Jamie Foxx was wonderful, is wonderful.

1:19:32 Adam It's a taller order.

1:19:34 Drew I agree, and here's the big, I think that one of the acting sort of myths is much harder to play yourself, though, Adam. Yeah. That's absolutely the world's hardest thing.

1:19:42 Adam Oh my God.

1:19:43 Drew Nonsense.

1:19:44 Adam Only someone would pay me to play myself instead of play with myself.

1:19:48 Drew Oh yeah.

1:19:49 Gary Busey But you forgot how to play with yourself when you met your pet cat.

1:19:52 Adam That's right. Mark?

1:19:53 Caller Hey, yeah, I've got another question for Gary.

1:19:55 Adam 21, yeah. So Gary, it's Buddy Holly, hands down, for you. Well, you were in Gumball Rally, too, right?

1:20:02 Gary Busey Yeah, yeah I was.

1:20:03 Adam You drove the Camaro up on two wheels, Drew.

1:20:06 Gary Busey I went through the Holland Tunnel going 120 miles an hour with three Panavision cameras strapped on the front of the car in and out of 27 cars which was controlled by Stuntman. I'm very happy to be alive. Thank you.

1:20:15 Adam Yeah, good movie. Yeah, he was driving the Camaro.

1:20:19 Gary Busey I remember that. With his Speed for Speed.

1:20:20 Adam He's like a good old boy.

1:20:22 Caller Mark? Mark? Mark? I've got one other question, Gary.

1:20:24 Adam What's your favorite Gary Busey role?

1:20:26 Caller Oh, Mr. Joshua.

1:20:28 Gary Busey Lee the Weapon one. Yeah. Mr. Joshua would walk through his grandmother's blood to get a poster stamp and never even look at her.

1:20:35 Adam Oh, that was so awesome.

1:20:37 Adam Gary, is there any possible way, and I know this is asking a lot, I can get an autographed picture of you?

1:20:45 Drew No, that'd be no.

1:20:47 Caller That'd be no.

1:20:47 Gary Busey Dr. Drew, you should work something out.

1:20:50 Adam He's a huge fan, Gary.

1:20:51 Caller I'm a huge fan, Gary.

1:20:52 Caller I've watched all your movies.

1:20:53 Caller Is there any way?

1:20:54 Gary Busey Well, mail, let's see.

1:20:56 Drew And maybe here at the station?

1:20:58 Adam Where could he send you a self-address?

1:21:01 Gary Busey To an agency called Innovative Agency in Santa Monica. Innovative, I-N-N-O-V-A-T-I-V-E. And made it to that under my name and they'll get it to me. I'll sign it and flip it back to you.

1:21:12 Adam Now you got to do that self-address thing where you put the stamps on it.

1:21:16 Gary Busey Yeah, you have to do that or it doesn't come back.

1:21:17 Adam Cause I'll explain something about celebrities. Lazy. No, here's the thing. Somebody sent us a postcard recently that had their address on it and had stamps on it. All we had to do was sign it and throw it in the mail. When you're starting to lick envelopes and fill out addresses, that's when you get really lazy.

1:21:38 Gary Busey That cancels it.

1:21:39 Adam Right, so make it very easy.

1:21:41 Gary Busey A self-addressed envelope with stamps on it.

1:21:43 Adam Right.

1:21:43 Caller Mark?

1:21:44 Adam I can do that.

1:21:45 Caller Hey Gary, you're still a god among gods.

1:21:48 Adam And I appreciate your time. Adam, I got one question for you.

1:21:52 Caller Mind if I ask you a quick question, Adam?

1:21:54 Adam Go ahead.

1:21:55 Adam Adam?

1:21:56 Adam Corolla?

1:21:57 Drew Bye, thank you.

1:21:58 Adam All right. Wow, Mark's enthusiastic.

1:22:01 Drew Got energy.

1:22:02 Adam That's all right, Gary's got energy.

1:22:03 Gary Busey That was quick and definite.

1:22:05 Adam Yeah, we will talk to Cynthia, who's 23.

1:22:09 Gary Busey Cynthia.

1:22:10 Adam How are you doing with the ladies now, Gary? What's going on?

1:22:13 Gary Busey Well, I'm very unavailable to, I'm focusing on my career and my spirituality and my help for others and what I'm doing here. And I'm not available to have a relationship with a woman. In fact, the word relationship, here's what it stands for. Really exciting love affair, it turns into nightmare, sobriety hangs in peril.

1:22:30 Adam Oh, wow.

1:22:31 Gary Busey Where on the other hand, we have romance. These are Buseyisms. Romance stands for relying on magnificent and necessary compatible energy. That's romance, that's much better. So I'm just caring for my family and mankind and myself. And I'm not interested in having a, playing games, playing the female male gender game of teasing and punching buttons and manipulating and confusion.

1:22:58 Adam And I could imagine a few tumultuous relationships with Gary Busey, especially back in the day. Oh, during the drug days.

1:23:07 Gary Busey Oh no, I was, I was, You were no picnic back then. No, but I wouldn't know when you do, when you do cocaine, you get a CD and that won't get up and they get big. Right.

1:23:20 Adam Yeah. Yeah. But still, if they're, if they cared about you, it had to be a difficult time.

1:23:24 Gary Busey They cared about the drugs.

1:23:26 Adam Interesting. Have you been married?

1:23:29 Gary Busey Twice.

1:23:29 Adam Twice.

1:23:30 Gary Busey That's not, yeah. I'm very close to my former wife, Judy Busey, the mother of my great son, Jake. We're very close. We're very bonded still. And I was in, I was in heavy cocaine use and abused myself and the family and had to leave, had to depart. I departed on my own, but it was a vicious, it was a great decision I made because God took me to a place where I had to find out on my own who I was, what I was here for and to get rid of the self-ordained suicide that I was doing, destructing, destructing myself.

1:24:03 Adam Did you go into rehab?

1:24:04 Gary Busey Never did.

1:24:05 Adam Never did?

1:24:06 Gary Busey I OD'd on May the 3rd, 1995, and my girlfriend insisted on coming to Texas with me that day. She found me and that girlfriend ended up being my second wife, Teonie Morton Busey.

1:24:16 Adam Where did she find you?

1:24:17 Gary Busey She found me in my house, in the back of my house. I was doing a golf tour with Troy Eggman that morning in Dallas and she wanted to fly to Malibu with me. She said she had a dream, something's going to happen, and when something did, I O.D.ed. She called 911 and I'm alive today.

1:24:29 Adam How do you OD on Coke? Do you like Speedball?

1:24:32 Gary Busey No, I just did too much and I did a little bit of GHB and I had tequila in me.

1:24:37 Adam Wow.

1:24:37 Gary Busey And I went out and I went to Cathedral City, California, Charter Hospital for 28 days and they nailed me down, smashed my ego.

1:24:45 Drew That's treatment.

1:24:46 Adam That's treatment.

1:24:47 Gary Busey That's great.

1:24:48 Adam It was good.

1:24:48 Drew It's great, yeah.

1:24:49 Adam And that was it and you got out and that's been it?

1:24:51 Gary Busey Yeah, that's been it.

1:24:52 Caller Wow.

1:24:53 Gary Busey May the 3rd, 1995 was my OD.

1:24:55 Caller Wow.

1:24:56 Adam And if she hadn't of found you, I'd be dead.

1:24:59 Gary Busey I'd be dead.

1:24:59 Adam For sure.

1:25:00 Gary Busey She saved my life, yeah.

1:25:01 Adam Called the hospitals?

1:25:03 Gary Busey Called 911.

1:25:04 Adam Got you help?

1:25:04 Gary Busey Yeah.

1:25:05 Adam What would happen? He just, wait, how would he do? Do you aspirate or something on your own?

1:25:09 Drew It depends on the problem, whether he's having arrhythmias or aspiration, something like that.

1:25:13 Gary Busey Wow. They had a tube in my throat, as big as a...

1:25:18 Drew So it's a breathing. Yeah, he was saying he was not breathing.

1:25:20 Gary Busey And it was going, and they gave me a drug that paralyzed me. When I heard him say his fiance found, they found cocaine in his pocket. His fiance was there. I went, Oh my God, I'm going. I felt like I was going to go right into death store, laying there for like 10 seconds, but then it started.

1:25:36 Drew That is the thing you and I were talking about earlier. When people doing drugs believe they're going to die, that's when they're ready to get better.

1:25:42 Gary Busey Ah, thank you. Well, we completed a circle there. I say to everyone out there, stop doing drugs now. Stop it right now, because you're killing yourself, and you're not assembling the worth of your ingredients by taking your own life.

1:25:57 Adam We will, good words to take a break on. Gary Busey in studio tonight. Engineer Chris is, by the way, never been exposed. He's never got a dose of Busey before. He's never been abused.

1:26:12 Gary Busey Gary abused me? Is that what you're trying to say?

1:26:14 Adam He's never been Busey. Learning experience.

1:26:16 Gary Busey Let's play Tickle and Pee.

1:26:18 Adam Play some Tickle and Pee with the Engineer Chris. He will pee. Give him a little shot.

1:26:24 Caller Come on, you gotta pee, buddy.

1:26:25 Gary Busey You gotta pee. Don't bump him by crotch like.

1:26:28 Adam Come on, buddy. Don't dry hump him, Chris.

1:26:30 Gary Busey You gotta just collect. It ain't fun to see people have fun.

1:26:36 Adam Drop to the ground.

1:26:40 Drew Drop to the ground and get a fetal position.

1:26:44 Adam All right, all right, let's take ourselves a little... No, but he said, engineer Chris was like, I've never, Gary, Gary's great, he's great. I said, yeah, yeah, he's been done the show a few times, sure, he's always great. Wow. So I guess he didn't know he's going to be physically assaulted.

1:27:03 Gary Busey No, he wasn't assaulted, that was a game.

1:27:04 Adam But you've not been here since the great Gary Busey's been in studio. All right, well, something to tell your grandkids about.

1:27:10 Gary Busey You played Tickle and Pee tonight and you won.

1:27:13 Adam We will take ourselves a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

1:27:20 Caller Loveline will be right back.

1:27:22 Adam Ready for something new? We'll try Durex Tingle and Condoms. There's sex and then there's Durex. Yeah, everybody, it's Loveline, Gary Busey.

1:27:34 Caller Hello, everybody.

1:27:36 Adam Yeah, he's got a motor in him, baby. You've always had a motor, yes?

1:27:40 Gary Busey I know, the motor's always on. I've learned that idle is a great place to be. And I don't mean Billy Idle or American Idle, but the idle of, no, you're not in gear. You're just humming.

1:27:49 Adam Yeah.

1:27:51 Drew He just let go a huge belch.

1:27:53 Adam Yeah.

1:27:54 Drew Hey, you know what burp means? Busey up chocks respiratory pressure.

1:27:59 Adam Yeah, Drew. That's what burp means.

1:28:01 Gary Busey God, I can't believe I'm in here. A Druism, a new Druism.

1:28:05 Adam Write that down.

1:28:06 Gary Busey Well, you know burping is law in Texas. Burping is law in Texas. And if the camera catches you out and you're not burping, the burp patrol will come get you and you go to burp counseling. I love burping. Burping in public was created by the Texas Rangers.

1:28:19 Drew Gary looked over towards Chris. He looked away.

1:28:22 Adam I told you eye contact.

1:28:24 Gary Busey Chris, Chris, what you do when you're working with me, you pray for the best, prepare for the worst and expect the unexpected.

1:28:30 Adam That's right.

1:28:30 Gary Busey Okay, here I come.

1:28:31 Adam Oh.

1:28:33 Gary Busey No, I'm kidding. I'm saying stationary.

1:28:35 Adam Cynthia? You're 23?

1:28:40 Caller Yes.

1:28:41 Adam You get panic attacks.

1:28:43 Caller I get panic attacks. I, it's been a year since I've been single and I meet guys and I dig them a lot. And then I go out on dates and I can't make it through the date. I have to leave and I make up some crazy excuse.

1:28:58 Adam Even if you're attracted to the guy.

1:29:00 Caller Even if I'm attracted to the guy.

1:29:02 Gary Busey Cynthia, is that, is this a panic attack from a past experience you've had probably? So you want to get out of it before you think it might go bad because of the familiarity of the past?

1:29:13 Drew Or is it the date being with a guy or is it being in sort of public places, open spaces?

1:29:20 Caller No, it's not really public places.

1:29:23 Drew So you can go out to dinners and things with your friends and not have panic attacks?

1:29:27 Gary Busey Yeah.

1:29:28 Drew Just when you're on a date you have one. Is there anything else going? Do you smoke a lot of pot? Have you ever done the Speed or GHB? You drink. Are you drinking when you go out with these guys?

1:29:38 Caller No, when I do go out drinking with them, I'll be able to make it through the day.

1:29:43 Drew So, you use the alcohol to manage the panic. And by panic attack, what do you mean?

1:29:49 Caller Like, I speak out, I start sweating, I can't stop sweating, I psych myself out.

1:29:54 Adam Drew, panic attacks, they're not necessarily connected to trauma from the past, are they?

1:30:01 Drew They're usually some, in my way of interpreting them, they're usually some deficiency of emotional regulation. However, there's a whole school of anxiety as a behavior.

1:30:11 Adam Gary, you ever had a panic attack, or you just give them?

1:30:15 Gary Busey I give them, I don't have them. I don't see, there's no reason to really panic. There's no reason to panic, because you're creating your own panic.

1:30:23 Drew Because he's Gary Busey, what's she panic about?

1:30:26 Gary Busey Yeah.

1:30:27 Adam That's what I'm saying, I think he deals out panic attacks, I don't think he collects them.

1:30:30 Gary Busey I'll tell you what, what I love to do is get dressed in the dark, and eat in the dark, and that keeps me from causing panic to others.

1:30:36 Drew But Cynthia, the deal is though, I think what you're describing is almost more of a phobia than panic.

1:30:42 Gary Busey Ah, phobia, there you go, key word.

1:30:44 Drew You have these phobic reactions to dating, and that does actually lend itself to sort of behavioral interventions, sort of basically learning how to have an experience with a male without panicking. And it's almost like fear of flying or anything else when you've got to go out and do it a few times and do it without the panic, and the behavior sort of extinguishes on its own.

1:31:03 Adam All right, well what should she do?

1:31:05 Drew Well, go out and, really- No, no, this is to get on the horse, get out there and have dates, sort of make yourself do it.

1:31:10 Gary Busey Get back up on the horse.

1:31:11 Drew Get through it, find ways to manage these feelings.

1:31:13 Adam Are you a virgin?

1:31:15 Caller No.

1:31:16 Drew Is there something you're specifically afraid of that's going to happen on the date?

1:31:19 Caller I think I psych myself out.

1:31:22 Gary Busey I think that-

1:31:23 Drew What is the thing, are you afraid of being out of control?

1:31:26 Caller Out of control? What do you mean, out of control?

1:31:29 Drew Like, are you afraid the guy's going to rape you or something, or are you going to be helpless or powerless?

1:31:33 Caller No, no, no. Are you going to take a game?

1:31:35 Drew Somebody's going to play a take a game with you?

1:31:36 Caller I'm not going to give you a crush that I want to give. I'm afraid that I won't meet. Especially if it's somebody that I really like. I feel like as soon as he gets to know me, it's going to be all over.

1:31:46 Drew Yeah, you're going to be judged.

1:31:47 Gary Busey One thing about...

1:31:48 Drew Just go do this. Just have some more dates. Right.

1:31:50 Gary Busey Have some more dates. I'm not going to say anything else because I heard the word cut.

1:31:53 Adam You know, it's a weird thing. Let me ask you this, though. How does this work? You know, you hear about sometimes these celebrities getting panic attacks. You hear about Donny Osmond. You know, he does 5000 performances of Nardo and the Raincoat, whatever the hell he's doing. And then on the 5001st one, all of a sudden, he can't go out on stage. And I never have panic attacks, but I've done, I did Politically Incorrect 25 times. And I think on the 26th time I went out there, I got up in my head a little bit. I started like thinking they were announcing and now on the show and I started, and then once I started thinking about it, I like started getting clammy and sweaty.

1:32:34 Gary Busey That's invisible paranoia.

1:32:36 Drew And you never know. How does that work though? It's sometime, it's maybe some psychological, something triggers an insecurity, but more often than not, it's something you're really not aware of. Like you drank too much of your medicine the night before. So that sort of opens that. So basically your brain has a predisposition towards panic. So when it starts getting anxious, it flows down a path into biology of panic.

1:32:57 Gary Busey Correct.

1:32:57 Drew You've set it up that way.

1:32:58 Adam It's weird that it happens so far in sometimes, you know?

1:33:03 Drew Yeah. I think for you, it's your medicine.

1:33:04 Adam No.

1:33:05 Drew You took too much medicine the night before.

1:33:07 Gary Busey Is your medication kicked in tonight?

1:33:09 Adam It's not yet. Some of it squeezed out of me when you gave me the Tickle Game.

1:33:14 Gary Busey Tickling P.

1:33:15 Adam There's a part where you just get in your head where you have an idea and it's a horrible idea and now you can't rinse it free of your brain. You know.

1:33:24 Caller All right, we'll take care of that.

1:33:25 Gary Busey If you can't rinse it free from your brain, you're not using the right soap and water.

1:33:29 Adam Hey, that's heavy. I have no idea what it means, but it's heavy.

1:33:32 Gary Busey It'll come to you later.

1:33:34 Adam We will take ourselves a little break. We'll be right back to Gary Busey after this.

1:34:12 Gary Busey Let's talk about the pros and cons of junior high football.

1:34:14 Adam Gary Busey, out of time.

1:34:16 Caller Where did the time go?

1:34:18 Drew Will you come back? Yeah. Come on.

1:34:20 Gary Busey Sure. I'll be here at 5 a.m. I'll show up right after my favorite round.

1:34:24 Adam I'm just going to go to the chiropractor, get realigned, and then Gary can come back and play the tickle game on me again.

1:34:31 Gary Busey Tickling P.

1:34:32 Adam Celebrity Fit Club 2, everybody. Watch Gary play.

1:34:35 Gary Busey Sunday night at 10 a.m. to Sunday night at 10 p.m. VH1.

1:34:39 Adam Watch Episode 3 when he plays Tickle P with the snap on light.

1:34:42 Gary Busey I mean the snap on. You know what? That's a good idea. I'll play Tickle P. Creative Consultant, Adam Corolla.

1:34:49 Adam A little extendo break. Until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or the station. The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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