Episode 1000705618211

0:57 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience. Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. This is Loveline.

1:17 Adam With Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Tonight, from the Contender, this is my favorite show, Drew.

1:33 Drew I know that. I know that.

1:34 Adam Do you know that?

1:35 Drew I do. I know that.

1:36 Adam Ishe Smith is here tonight. Now, it is Ishe, right?

1:42 Ishe Smith Yeah, correct.

1:43 Adam Ishe, because boxers don't always pronounce names that well. And sometimes, sometimes the other guys in the contender house would call them like Ishe. But I guess you can call them Ishe. Do people call you Ishe for short?

1:57 Ishe Smith Yeah, Ishe.

1:58 Drew Actually, Ann called NBC to try to make sure we got the pronunciation correct. They told her it's Ishe.

2:03 Adam Ishe.

2:04 Drew I know, Ishe.

2:05 Ishe Smith That's really what it is.

2:07 Adam This contender, there's a thing with the contenders on Sunday nights, it's Mark Burnett. Mark Burnett.

2:12 Drew That's to be good.

2:13 Adam Everything the guy touches turns to gold. The Apprentice is a great show. Survivor is a great show and now the Contender is a great show. I haven't seen Casino, so I don't know if that's good or not.

2:26 Drew It's not doing well, but it might still be a good show.

2:30 Adam Anderson, what point are you making?

2:33 Ishe Smith I was just asking.

2:35 Adam All right, don't ask.

2:36 Okay, gotcha.

2:39 Ishe Smith We need the guest to turn up a little.

2:40 Drew All right. I feel better now. We got our usual words made.

2:44 Adam Well, I always get the feeling. Anderson is on a constant mission to undermine. That's his thing.

2:49 Drew Not in the mind of just anybody.

2:51 Adam Well, everyone.

2:52 Drew No, you.

2:52 Adam Oh, and me. Yeah.

2:53 Drew You especially.

2:53 Adam Which is fine if you don't want to get anywhere in life and you want everyone to hate you, but it's horrible radio whenever the boss is making a point. You have to always sort of bring up other little contrary, little knickknacks and tidbits. That's my reaction. Drew, please, am I right? That's what I reacted.

3:08 Drew You're right, but Adam, it takes all kinds.

3:10 Adam It does take all kinds.

3:12 Drew Yes, sir, Mr. Corolla.

3:13 Adam Thank you. Ishe fought an epic battle with Sergio the Latin Snake, which is a solid nickname, by the way, for a fighter and was off, was it the week before last?

3:26 Ishe Smith It was last week.

3:26 Adam It was last week.

3:27 Ishe Smith Last episode.

3:28 Adam Yeah.

3:29 Drew When did they film all that?

3:31 Ishe Smith September. We ended in October. We wrapped up in October.

3:34 Adam I think everyone was, if I can read the terrain right, everyone was out in Pasadena, Druze Hood.

3:41 Drew Yeah, correct.

3:41 Ishe Smith Where were we? We were by Del Mar. We were in Del Mar and...

3:47 Drew On a building?

3:48 Ishe Smith Yeah, in an old warehouse.

3:49 Drew Oh, yeah.

3:50 Ishe Smith They refurnished it and we did it for us. It was real nice.

3:53 Adam Yeah, it was real upscale stuff. And then they brought all the families out and they housed them in Pasadena as well.

4:00 Ishe Smith Huh.

4:01 Adam Yeah, yeah. See, now Drew is up for it. The fights have been competitive, all of them, as far as I can tell. I mean, and the way they edit it, at least, the underdog seems to win almost every time. Is that true?

4:18 Ishe Smith Well, you know, Marbernetta is great and he edits the fights the way he wants to edit to bring the suspense to television. But some of the fights weren't as close as they were on TV.

4:30 Adam Right.

4:30 Ishe Smith Like me and Ahmed's fight wasn't that close, how they made it seem to be. And, you know, that's just a part of TV and you got to take it the good with the bad.

4:39 Adam Right. Now, Ahmed was the first fight. He was, he's like a baby face. He was a guy everyone hated because the Middle Eastern guy has a lot of bravado. And he got in everyone's grill. Him and Ishe were going at it. A lot of bad blood, psychological warfare.

4:55 Drew Ishe took care of business?

4:56 Adam Ishe took care of business and they got rid of him. Ishe beat the guy up and it looked fairly close, but it definitely looked like you got the better of him when it came. So far no bad decisions in terms of Drew, you have TB? What's up, brother?

5:13 Drew The first time I sneezed.

5:14 Adam Oh, okay. Here's maybe allergic to yourself. Here's-

5:18 Drew Don't sneeze except when I'm in a room with you.

5:20 Adam Have there, have there been, have there been any bad calls in your mind so far?

5:25 Ishe Smith I would like to say, you know, me and Sergio's was a pretty, you know, controversial fight.

5:29 Adam It was close.

5:30 Ishe Smith Split decision.

5:31 Adam Yeah.

5:31 Ishe Smith You know, and they, I mean, they did things that I wouldn't say I was pleased with. They, all the fights that you announced, TKO, unanimous decision, you know, and then they get to my fight and they just say, and winner, Sergio Mora. They don't say what, if you want unanimous, split or anything. So I wasn't to say I was a happy camper about that. I was a little upset about that because if you're trying to get fans that like boxing or you're trying to get people that don't know boxing, what better way than to show them what a split decision is so next time when they sit and go, oh, that's what Ishe got on the container.

6:02 Adam Ishe was considered the strongest of the elite six, how many people are left? Eight that were left. Ishe was considered the man to beat and just barely got beat. But it's really weird because most of the time in professional fighting, you got a pretty good idea is going to win the fight before the fight starts. For the most part, these are guys from all over the country with various records, various experience. Everyone seems to rise to the occasion. And even though some guys are 24 and 1 or 18 and 0, they're going up against guys that are 6 and 0 or something like that, sometimes the underdog is winning the fight. Oftentimes it is. What is your record now, Ishe?

6:50 Ishe Smith It is 15 and 1 now.

6:52 Adam So you got now that one loss against Sergio counts. It's a sanctioned fight.

6:57 Ishe Smith It's on my record. You know, it's just they told me to keep my head up and, you know, one day it'll be a rematch and, you know, Mark Burnett has never lied to us and they've always treated us good. And I'm holding on to that.

7:09 Adam Yeah. The big fight is now, you know, well, actually, you don't know. How much do you know that we don't know, that you can't talk about that's bad radio?

7:19 Ishe Smith What do you think I know that you don't know?

7:21 Drew Well, all the way up to the winner, I'm probably know everything but the winner.

7:24 Adam No, no, because I'm trying to think because you get sent packing when you lose.

7:30 Drew But they're probably still kept around, no?

7:32 Adam No.

7:32 Ishe Smith No, we were put in isolation. We had to make little calls and, you know, prior way to get the winners. I know everybody who's won up to the finale. I know who's in the finale.

7:45 Adam You know who's in the finale. Are you surprised?

7:48 Ishe Smith Yeah, a little surprising. I think it's going to be a terrific fight.

7:52 Adam Is it tough? Do you think you could have beat either one of those guys?

7:56 Ishe Smith They played, I mean, they played a lot of mind games with the last episode. I was thinking I was going to fight Jesse Brinkley. And, you know, he threw a little wrench into everything. And they played a little mind games with me because they're a little intimidated by me. And I just wasn't ready for the apprentice slash survivor tactic. I was just ready to fight. I wasn't ready to play all the mind games they were playing.

8:15 Adam I'll tell you, Drew, please listen to me. This is a great show. You will be standing and cheering at the end.

8:22 Drew I have no doubt.

8:23 Adam It's Mark Burnett. Yes. Here's the thing. Here's where I tell everybody with shows like this. It's like, look, where they go, well, what's the big deal about The Contender? Why do you watch Survivor, The Apprentice, or why should I watch The Contender? I'll tell you why. Because all these other shows, it's the same thing. It's the jockeying, the mind game, the getting in the other guy's head, the conflict, the tension. But at the end, they make a presentation of some homo on Madison Avenue, and the winner gets to stay. No, at the end of this, they beat the crap out of each other. It's not a kayaking competition at the very end. They beat each other up. So it's like, it's sort of what all these other shows are supposed to be. It's sort of-

9:01 Drew The others are symbolically representative of the fight.

9:04 Adam Symbolically, yes, and they say, he kicked his ass in the board room. I made him look like it. I gave him a thrashing in front of the CEO. But this is actually, it's so satisfying to see the guy who's been talking or giving the other guy the stink eye the whole time. So when Ishe beat the Middle Eastern guy.

9:27 Ishe Smith The guy that doesn't like America.

9:29 Adam Babyface, not a big fan of America. And Ishe gave him a good ass whooping. After the guy was talking smack the entire episode. It was so satisfying. It's not as, even though it's good, it's not as satisfying to see a guy go back to his law practice in Indiana with a bow tie. You know what I'm saying?

9:47 Absolutely.

9:48 Adam You get to watch him go at it.

9:50 Drew I get you, I hear you.

9:51 Adam Am I right Michelle?

9:52 Oh yeah.

9:53 Yeah, she's a big fan. Yeah.

9:55 Adam So Ishe, now you're gonna go to the fight obviously.

9:59 Ishe Smith Well, what you guys are gonna learn in a couple of weeks and what makes it interesting that what Mark Brunette is doing is like with Survivor you got one winner. With The Apprentice you got one winner. With this show is gonna be five winners because it's actually gonna be five fights that night. So you're gonna get to go to the contender website, contender.tv.yahoo.com and vote on who you want to see fight and number one to fight, number two, three to fight, four and five to fight six.

10:21 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

10:23 Ishe Smith So that puts a little twist in everything. So it's gonna be a great card. It's gonna be a total of five fights. It's gonna be the main event, the two that made it to the finals. It's gonna be a bronze fight where the runners ups in the final four, they will fight each other. And then it's gonna be-

10:37 Drew Has this been announced yet?

10:38 Ishe Smith This has not been announced.

10:38 Drew Are you supposed to talk about this?

10:39 Ishe Smith Yeah, cause then-

10:40 Adam Drew, are you supposed to be talking about what he's not supposed to be talking about?

10:43 Drew I just wanna make sure he gets himself in trouble.

10:44 Will you shut up?

10:46 Adam You're so bad.

10:49 Drew It's called co-dependent, dude.

10:50 Ishe Smith I'm trying to make sure he gets himself in trouble. I'm trying to plug myself in. I'm trying to let the fans know that in about another week or two they're gonna have an opportunity to get to do something.

11:01 Adam Drew, just please. He does this all the time. People start talking. They just start to tear up and talk about the serial abuse. Drew's like, you don't have to talk about it. Stop giving people out.

11:13 Drew Here's the deal. I was trained in something where you don't allow people to do harm through your show. He's gonna harm himself by talking about something.

11:20 Adam What about the joy he could bring to everyone else?

11:22 Drew I understand the joy everyone else gets, but I have to take him from harm.

11:25 Adam My training is shut up. All right. Ishe, let me get this straight now. I'm so distracted by Drew's inability to do radio. Turn that mic around. Are you sure you should be talking about this? There will be the main event. That'll be whoever wins the fights. Then there'll be the bronze fight. Well, that'll be the two guys that didn't make it to the main.

11:48 Ishe Smith Didn't make it to the main.

11:49 Adam Then there'll be another fight that's voted on.

11:52 Ishe Smith Three fights.

11:53 Drew Three more fights.

11:54 Adam So you'll be back fighting again.

11:56 Ishe Smith It's up to the fans. Hopefully, they appreciated what I did on the show.

11:59 Adam Well, you got to be in there.

12:01 Drew What are the winners of those three fights get?

12:03 Ishe Smith And Marvin is throwing around a lot of cash. So it looks great for all of us.

12:07 Adam Oh, really?

12:07 Ishe Smith Yeah.

12:08 Adam So the winner is going to get a million bucks. The guy he beats is going to get, I don't know, they never discussed that.

12:15 Drew So strange. Stuff like this gets involved in a professional sport and it can change the whole, how the sport operates.

12:21 Adam Yeah.

12:21 Drew This could be, this could be a, you know, forget the heavyweight fights, forget the belts. Let's just go for the million bucks that Mark Burnett's offering.

12:27 Adam Well, you know, boxing is one of these things. It's always, you know, there's no season and there's, it's, it's all over the place and somebody needs to sort of pull it together and start giving it some structure like they do with other sports. I think a lot of people have trouble getting behind boxing because they're confused by it, because they can't keep track of everything. Some guy has a belt with some, by some sanctioning body you've never heard of. People, you think, you know, things keep springing up all over the place. Bad calls, horrible, you know, hometown decisions. Maybe this is a way to just turn it into more like what other sports are, you know, a little more organized, a little more sanctioned. And, you know, you know, you say a heavyweight, whatever. This, everyone's a middleweight, am I, am I correct?

13:14 Ishe Smith Everybody's a middleweight, correct?

13:15 Adam Everybody's a middleweight, and it's just a better division in terms of excitement, in terms of watching. Heavyweights would be some knockouts, but there'd be some guys up there with them man boobs, just sort of lumbering around. Yeah, and the middleweight, these guys can all take a punch. And so, so they're really trading like crazy. I mean, it's just, it looks incredible.

13:36 Ishe Smith Yeah, you get a lot of diversity in the middleweight division. You get Mexicans, whites, blacks. Right, and you're in the heavyweights.

13:42 Adam Heavyweight, all Jews, nothing but Jews.

13:45 Just huge Jews.

13:47 Adam No room for the black man or the Mexicans, if they could fight. Jews and Asians, mainly Jews and Korean guys in the heavyweight. I'm not saying a black man can't be heavyweight, I'm saying where is he? You know what I mean? Yeah, I hear you, brother.

14:03 I hear you.

14:04 Adam All right, let's take some phone calls, Drew. Oh, I'm gonna be watching. What night is it? Is it May, what?

14:10 Ishe Smith May 24th. You gotta come, you can't just come.

14:13 Adam You gotta come.

14:13 Ishe Smith It's gonna be at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. You gotta come.

14:16 Adam May 24th. That's it.

14:18 Drew Put that down.

14:19 Adam I'm coming. I just wrote it, Drew.

14:20 Drew I see it.

14:21 Adam You'll not be there. Drew will come just to say to Mark, you sure it's okay? You should be doing this?

14:27 Drew Is it all right? Ishe was talking about this. Ishe was talking. I told him not to.

14:30 Adam First off, two guys fighting. Are you insured? There's liability here. I'm saying let's take a day and think about it.

14:37 Ishe Smith I have him in my locker room. He'll stop me. Are you sure you want to go through this?

14:40 Adam Yeah.

14:41 Ishe Smith Get out of here.

14:41 Drew, yeah.

14:43 Adam Who are we talking to? Paul? Paul?

14:45 Yeah.

14:46 Adam You're 23?

14:47 Caller Yes, sir.

14:48 Adam What's up?

14:49 Caller Well, my question is for Drew, but if there's time, I'd love to ask. I got a million questions for you, Adam, but I'll hold off. But basically, I'm a first-year med student here at the U of A, and today in the physiology lecture, we're doing reproductive function. And they talked about contraception and that, and they got to the morning after.

15:08 Adam Calling all nerds.

15:09 Caller Yeah, I know, for real. But anyway, so the morning after pill, and basically, the teacher was equating the morning after pill with RE486, which is-

15:19 Drew You understand they're very different.

15:21 Caller Yeah, and I actually brought that up to her, but can I just read it? I went over my notes tonight, and it has it right in the notes, and it says that there's two types of morning after pills. One is the high-dose estrogen that promotes premature destruction of the corpus luteum, and the other one-

15:38 Adam All right, hold on, hold on.

15:40 Drew I got to hear what they said.

15:42 Adam You do, but we don't.

15:44 Drew All right, here's the deal.

15:45 Adam Talk to the guy at home, for Christ's sake.

15:47 Drew Paul, the myphopristone actually causes the implanted fetus to abort.

15:54 Adam They already talked about this last night.

15:57 Drew The high-dose progesterone, not estrogen, and the myphopristone is a progesterone-blocky agent.

16:01 Adam All right, Drew, I don't want to start the show with myphopristone and all that stuff. We'll get back, hold on a second. Paul.

16:08 Caller Yo.

16:09 Adam Just hang on to your wine up beanie and cool your pocket liner.

16:14 Caller Yeah, all right, man.

16:15 Adam Now just hold on, hold on.

16:15 Caller When you're in a stern show again.

16:16 Adam Hold on a second, hold on, hold on. Paul.

16:19 Caller I'm holding.

16:20 Adam Take that mechanical pencil and do that thing where you twist it out, make it come out and then twist it back and make it do it. Do that about 25 times and we'll come back to you, all right?

16:29 Caller Right on.

16:29 Adam All right, but this time, no reading from your textbook.

16:31 Caller No.

16:32 Adam No.

16:33 Drew While you're on hold, look these things up either online or in your textbook. Right.

16:36 Adam And we'll get back to you. I like you, Paul, but I just don't want to get out of the gates with the, you know, ask Mr. Science. Michelle?

16:43 Drew Yeah.

16:44 Adam You're 21?

16:45 Drew Yes.

16:45 Adam Yes. Now you're having sex with your 36 year old therapist.

16:49 Caller No.

16:50 Drew What's happening?

16:52 Caller Well, when I was 16, fell in love with my 34 year old physical therapist.

16:58 Drew Physical therapist.

16:59 Caller Wow. Interesting.

17:01 Caller And now I'm 21. But I mean, it went on. I mean, it went, it lasted for like three or four months. And then he told me he met someone his own age. And I was so in love and infatuated.

17:14 Adam What were you doing with him?

17:17 Caller Having sex with him.

17:18 Adam Oh, really? Well, listen, I'm not a physical therapist. Everyone has their own techniques in terms of getting a patient back on their feet. You know, imagine there's some therapeutic benefit to that.

17:29 Drew Michelle, you've got to report this guy. Not only to...

17:33 I'm calling about...

17:35 Drew You call the state board in wherever... You're in Missouri, call the licensing board. You can consult with an attorney if you want. The fact is, he will do this to other people. This is a person who is regularly interacting with people and taking advantage of his position.

17:49 Caller Well, it went on... I mean, after I stopped physical therapy, I had to go a year later, and I saw him again, but I was still seeing him randomly, like when he had a girlfriend, and then...

17:59 Drew I'm just saying...

18:00 Adam Oh, wow, that's different.

18:01 Caller He was cheating on his girlfriend.

18:02 Drew Yeah, not only was it... Is it criminal for him, I imagine, in Missouri? You're 16, I'm not sure what the consent is there, but it's criminal, A, to start with, B, it's a profound ethical violation, and he really... His license should be taken away, frankly.

18:15 Adam What was he... What were you recovering from at 15?

18:19 Caller Knee surgery.

18:20 Drew Now, it being so far away, it may not be possible to have this revoked, but if you report it, and there's some other reports out there, they'll definitely look... They'll scrutinize him very carefully.

18:29 Caller You have to...

18:31 Drew Well, it will help you...

18:32 Caller And it's like... It would probably be kind of... I mean, I'm on freaking radio right now, but I would just... I've been trying to figure out if I should or not, and I didn't know if I was just... I'm angry or what, or...

18:43 Drew Michelle, Michelle.

18:44 Adam Yeah, you should.

18:45 Drew Michelle, you have an obligation to do this, and it will help you resolve this thing, because you'll be taking action on your own behalf. You were exploited. Somebody in a position of authority exploited you, and B, you'll protect other people that he may yet exploit.

18:56 Adam All right, let me just do the math. You started having sex with him when you were 16?

19:02 Yes.

19:03 Adam Yes?

19:04 Yes, yes.

19:05 Adam And he was 30-something?

19:07 Caller 34.

19:08 Adam And this went on for some months, and then he broke it off because he met someone, but then he continued sort of chipping away.

19:14 Caller He broke it off. He told me that he had met someone his own age. I mean, all along, he was telling me that we would eventually meet someone our own age, and yada, yada, yada, but I mean, I was 16.

19:24 Caller Okay.

19:26 Adam You're 21 now?

19:27 Drew Yeah. Now you can see how awful this was, right?

19:29 Caller Now I can, but it took me until like a year ago, and that's after finding, I mean, I also found out that he's now engaged to someone like two years older than me.

19:37 Drew So.

19:38 Adam How's the knee, by the way?

19:41 Caller Not too well.

19:42 Adam Oh, really?

19:42 Drew What do you got? What happened?

19:43 Adam What do you do to your knee that you need to go to physical therapy at 15?

19:46 Caller ACL reconstruction and.

19:48 Drew What do you do to it? Skiing.

19:49 Caller Soccer.

19:50 Drew Soccer. Really?

19:52 Adam Do you need to go to physical therapy when you do that?

19:55 Drew Yeah, you should. Really?

19:56 Adam I had knee surgery. I didn't do anything. You know what I did when I blew my knee out?

20:03 Drew Ran home?

20:03 Adam No. Yeah, when I walked home, I moved a booth to the second floor of my apartment in North Hollywood.

20:10 Drew Nice.

20:10 Adam It was awesome.

20:11 Drew A bar, you mean?

20:12 Adam Yeah, a whole booth bar thing. It was awesome. You know, guys are so horrible. I blew Ishe. When I was like twenty, I was playing pick-up football and I dislocated my knee. Now, at the time, I just thought I twisted it or whatever, but later on I had to have surgery on it. I got home that night limping and I said, oh man, I really blew out my knee. I got to get off it. My roommate was like, we're going to that, we're going to the Blah Blah Cafe tonight in the back alley. They got a big vinyl booth back there. We got to get it. And I said, my knee's killing me. I could barely, oh, come on, pussy, let's go. And I was like, cut to a half hour later, me on the bottom end of a 12 foot long restaurant booth, trying to shove it up a flight of stairs, yelling, my knee's killing me. And he's going, come on, push.

21:01 Drew It's got to be Ray.

21:02 Adam Yeah, it was Ray and Donnie. The booth was so big, we had to take the front door off the apartment, swing it out over the balcony, and then take it apart, it was plywood and stuff. Point is, next day I wake up, my knee's the size of a cassava melon, I have to get surgery on. How many guys the night before, you know, after the injury, before surgery, move heavy equipment up to the second floor of their apartment?

21:25 Drew Friends are kicking their ass.

21:26 Adam Right. Now, women would be like, oh, sweetie, are you okay? Oh, sit down. You should put ice on it. We should get that x-ray. Now, guys are like, come on, puss-o. You're not getting out of this, you fake injury. Get in the van. I mean, maybe I wouldn't have needed the surgery, actually, if I'd actually elevated it and put some ice on it. Instead, I moved a booth.

21:49 Drew Nice.

21:49 Adam Yeah. I guess it, you know, like could have been a player piano or something.

21:53 Caller So maybe I dodged a bullet.

21:55 Adam Daniel?

21:56 Yeah.

21:57 Adam You're 16?

21:59 Caller No, no, no, no, no. I'm 13.

22:01 Drew You're 13. Wow.

22:03 Caller No.

22:03 Caller Okay. All right.

22:05 Drew Here you go.

22:07 Caller Hey.

22:09 Caller Yeah. Do I have to say my question right now?

22:11 Caller Just do it!

22:13 Drew No, you can just sit there.

22:15 Adam Let's see. Yeah. Here we go. Born gay versus gay. Dylan?

22:20 Caller Yeah.

22:21 Adam You're 17?

22:22 Caller That's right.

22:23 Adam What's up?

22:25 Caller Okay. I have a couple friends that are gay. One of them was actually, I guess he says he was born gay, but the others discovered it later in their life. I was wondering, what brought them to discover that? Is it something emotional that happened? Is it something psychological or is it just like a physical element that happened to them?

22:47 Drew Adam, you can answer that now. You've heard this question enough times.

22:50 Adam Well, here's what I want to say. Most people that are gay say they knew they were gay from the time they were little kids.

22:58 Drew Yeah.

22:58 Adam Most.

22:59 Drew Yet, though a lot of those people knew it only after they were sexually abused.

23:03 Adam Right. Right. Now, I don't know what the percentages are, but from doing this show, it seems that a certain percentage of people are just gay.

23:12 Drew More in that way.

23:13 Adam Just slide out into the planet gay.

23:15 Drew Yep.

23:15 Adam And then another percentage is done up in the, mm, molested by an uncle in the basement or something like that. And then, what the hell are you doing?

23:26 Drew Getting the pie ready.

23:27 Adam Oh, OK. All right. Ishe's in training, by the way. He can't be eating pie. All right.

23:32 Drew Now, he's going to eat pie. Don't worry.

23:34 Adam I don't know what the answer. What answer do you want?

23:36 Drew The answer is that there's both. There are people that you must have some sort of genetic predisposition, really, like with any human behavior, there's always a combination of nurture, nature, there's some genetic component. But the people that call this show almost exclusively, we hear about people who are sexually abused and then have a sexual orientation change. Right. And that's just the way it is. They aren't going to unchange that. And certainly, there also are a significant percentage are merely born with that orientation. And that's that.

24:00 Adam Ishe.

24:01 Drew So it's both.

24:02 Ishe Smith Wouldn't it be like gay dogs if it was like in the DNA, like gay birds?

24:06 Drew Well, there are gay animals. There are.

24:09 Adam I saw this thing on Killer Whales. I almost threw up. Big boners rubbing on each other. Dudes. I don't think that. I don't need to see that in nature, by the way. You know what I mean? That's one of the last pristine things in my mind is like Killer Whales. And then you see them having a weird Turkish bath together. I was watching a nature channel and they showed male Killer Whales with a big erect whale penises rubbing and rolling on each other.

24:35 Drew I think you described it. I think it sounds like you enjoyed it. No.

24:38 Adam You're a little bit cathartic. I was intrigued. I had a glass of wine, Drew, I got to tell you. My guard was down. No, there is a certain amount of this in nature. I don't know.

24:52 Ishe Smith Are they dogs?

24:54 Drew Well, no.

24:55 Adam Although I think my dog is a lesbian.

24:56 Drew But there are, one of the things that I had long ago read is that when you restrict populations to overpopulate, you tend to see gay sort of orientation come up.

25:05 Ishe Smith But why when you become gay, you got to pick up the gay tendency?

25:09 Drew Why have you a gay whole life? Not all gay men do that, but you're right. That's the question. Why do they sound that way?

25:15 Ishe Smith Why do they sound that way? Why do they walk like women? Why do they...

25:18 Adam Here's what I believe. Here's what I believe. I believe the speech is from the constant pounding, the soft palate takes from the male penis. It changes to what you would talk. Ishe, I mean this with respect because I've seen what you can do in the ring, but you would talk different too if you're constantly had a penis whacking into the soft palate above just above the mouth there.

25:37 Drew Wait, you have like a nasally drop.

25:38 Adam Oh, how dare you? Ishe, positive mind. Work the body. The face we need to save. Cash register. All right. So I don't know, but there seems to be some homosexuality in nature too. No one knew about it except for the gays started looking for it recently and then pointing to the animal population for-

26:02 Ishe Smith What gay animals are there?

26:04 Adam Well, there's like monkeys that seem to have a certain percentage of them. But in terms of the population and then he asked, well, why do you got to talk that way? Why do you got to walk that way? I think that is in every population. Like the NASCAR populace talks and walks a certain way, the rap community, the gay community, the Jewish community, the lawyers, doctors, construction workers, Boston fans.

26:30 Drew Experience makes you change. And then you're around your peers, people are also changed.

26:34 Adam Well, then it's like think about Sox fans, Red Sox fans. They'll seem like the same obnoxious dude named Sully, right? It's all the same guy. And then there's the sort of vegan, educated, ivy league sort of, you know, Wicca, Wiccans, you know, everyone's sort of, you know.

26:53 Ishe Smith You could pair Sox fans to gay men.

26:56 Adam I'm just saying, once you congregate with a group, and then you start talking and walking the same way. Yeah.

27:04 Drew Interesting. And whatever it is about that action. Michelle, you got an opinion on this one? No.

27:11 Ishe Smith But you also have the gay hip hop man now too. He looks like a thug and acts like a thug, but he's gay.

27:16 Adam Do you?

27:17 Ishe Smith You're getting at a lot nowadays.

27:19 Adam Really?

27:20 Drew He's gay or he has sex with men? He's gay.

27:23 Adam He's gay, but he's sort of...

27:24 Ishe Smith He's like a hip hop thug, gay type guy.

27:26 Adam Oh, let me tell you, if Suge Knight came after me, I was going to... Like, here's how that would be like. Like a bear attacking you. Listen, listen. I'm not going to fight. I'm not going to scratch. Just go get the lube. Get a bottle of booze and let's just get this over with. I don't want to get ugly here.

27:45 Caller I saw a documentary on gangs that were gay.

27:48 Adam Oh, really?

27:49 Caller Gangsters. Yeah.

27:50 Adam Yeah.

27:50 Caller It's crazy.

27:51 Ishe Smith It's changing.

27:52 Adam It's called the musical theater. We'll take ourselves a... Drew was in one of those gangs. Here we go. That was his posse. We'll take ourselves a little break. Ishe Smith is here tonight for my favorite show, The Contender, Sunday Nights on NBC, 8 o'clock. I've not missed one second of one episode yet. Ishe, one of the stars of the show who was...

28:12 Drew Less than an hour, but another second.

28:13 Adam Just barely eliminated that last week by the Latin snake. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

28:21 1-800-LOVE-191. Loveline.

28:24 Caller Loveline, with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

28:27 Caller We'll be right back.

28:28 The one and only Live 105.

28:34 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew. Phone number, 1-800-L-A-V-E-191. Ishe Smith is here tonight. He was one of the best ones on The Contender, my favorite show, Sunday Nights, NBC, 8 o'clock. He was just barely eliminated by Sergio, who's another guy I like, the Latin Snake, who did, they had an epic battle last week, and Sergio just nipped Ishe, and now he's here in studio tonight. How did the process go in terms of finding you and finding fighters for the show? Because everyone is so evenly matched, and it just seems, the chemistry, not because it's all good, by the way, but it's all good for TV is so strong.

29:21 Ishe Smith We had the trial test, psychological test, and that was like the best part for me of everything, like having somebody, you answer like 200 questions, and you're like, this is crap. You just start filling out these questions, but they tell you to tell the truth, and the question is because the guy is going to tell you like, what you do, what kind of person you are, and all that type of stuff. And we did that, and I go in there, and this guy is telling me what type of guy I am, and to me, that was amazing. I just had 200 questions, and that was fun, and the sparring, and just the stories, and they wanted to get really good fighters. So that's what made our show so much better than Oscar De La Hoya's show. We got real fighters, real talented fighters.

29:59 Adam Yeah, the thing about The Next Great Champ, which I watched too, which had almost no success, is it really was the same show in the sense that, well, you get a bunch of boxers together, they fight, they eliminate guys, they have a challenge, and then it builds up to a big fight at the end, you just couldn't have cared less.

30:19 Drew Just the way it's filmed or edited?

30:21 Adam Well, you know, if you think about what's really good about the reality TV, it's all in how it's put together, the people that are chosen and put together. You know, I mean, if you take a...

30:35 Drew How the stories are told.

30:37 Adam Think about how bad Survivor could be, or think about how bad The Apprentice could be, if it wasn't scored. I mean, Mark Burnett scores things. You know, the score is dramatic in it. The music adds so much to it. Just the editing, the storytelling, it's so compelling. If you don't have that, you just have an idea. It's all in the execution. And, you know, Drew, we have these meetings all the time where we talk to idiots and they're like, everyone gets hung up on the hook. What's the hook? What's this? What's that? It's how it's executed. You take the next great champ, which was something you haven't even heard of because it just sort of came and went about four or five months ago, and you have the contender, really, on paper, the exact same show. Just take fighters, take middleweights, put them in the same house, eliminate a guy. I mean, it just looks like, one is dramatically better than the other. Why? The people. The people who are assembling it and creating it.

31:35 Drew Yep, yep, got it.

31:36 Adam How's Sugar Ray doing?

31:37 Ishe Smith Sugar Ray is good. He's awesome. And you know, what's good about our show is everybody still talks. And me and Sergio talk about our fight and I say, you just barely slithered away, you little snake. I tell him that. And we're still friends. I mean, it was just a close fight. And you know, Sugar Ray is great. And Sly was cool to be around. There's just a bunch of great people.

31:55 Adam Sly and Sugar Ray. First off, Sugar Ray is, I don't know, 45 and still moving in the ring and looking sharp. Wow. Sly is, I don't know, 57 or something. And a little Grecian formula on him. But every time you see the guy, it just looks like he rattled off 30 push ups before he got on the camera. But it's just some big veins in his arms and no waist. And he's got to be on the juice. But I mean, it's like the picture of Dorian Gray. I mean, the guy is near 60 and looks like he just beat that crap out of anyone in the room.

32:31 Ishe Smith Wow.

32:32 Adam It's my rise. You look in amazing shape.

32:34 Ishe Smith You know, you just surprised me. I didn't even know he was close to 60. That's amazing.

32:38 Adam Find out how old Sylvester Stallone is. He is, he's 55 if he's a day. And his, he's just, he's tan, his hair's jet black and he's got guns like Mark Gassano had in 1990. It's crazy.

32:54 Caller Wow. All right.

32:55 Caller All right.

32:57 Adam Joseph.

32:57 Hey guys.

32:58 Adam You're 18?

32:59 Caller I am.

33:00 Adam What's up?

33:01 Caller A huge fan of both shows. And I've always been interested in boxing. And I want to know how you get into the sport and where you go to learn to box.

33:11 Ishe Smith I think the best thing you could do is try to figure out what's in your local hometown. Find, look in the phone book, find a club and just go down there and talk to some people and just tell them you're interested in and see how much it costs and just go from there. That's the best way to do it. Yeah, just take lessons and just contact your local club and look in the phone book and that's the easiest way to do it.

33:33 Adam He's calling from Arizona. He's probably.

33:35 Ishe Smith Oh yeah, there's a lot of clubs in there. What part of Arizona are you from?

33:38 Caller I'm from Chandler. It's a suburb of Phoenix.

33:41 Ishe Smith Oh yeah, it's a lot.

33:42 Adam Chandler, home of champions.

33:44 Ishe Smith Mike Tyson trains out there a lot in Arizona.

33:46 Adam Yeah, all the great ones train out in Arizona. Yeah, listen Joseph, but here's what you should do. You should learn how to do it and then just don't sit and have bad form walloping the heavy bag with the inside of your palms. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because if you leave a guy alone, you'll just turn around and come back. He'll be dry humping a speed bag.

34:10 Drew Horrible form.

34:11 Adam I tried to show Drew a little form once. He still hasn't forgiven me.

34:14 Drew No, I loved it, but my neck blew out of disc or something.

34:17 Adam Yeah, Drew's never been right.

34:18 Drew He left my hand up ever since.

34:19 Adam Yeah, ever since I tried to teach him to box, he sort of walks when he walks forward, he drifts to the left to straighten him out when he's in the airport. Otherwise, he'll run into something.

34:27 Ishe Smith But Joseph, are you there?

34:29 Adam Yeah.

34:30 Ishe Smith But boxing is a very serious and dangerous sport. Do not get in the ring by any means. I wouldn't encourage you to get in the ring because you can get hurt. I would encourage you to learn as much as possible and try to learn a lot. I've been boxing since I was nine years old, so I definitely wouldn't encourage you just to go in there and think since you love it, to get in the ring and want to spar somebody is very dangerous. And I would definitely practice a lot and get lessons before you even decide to even step foot in that ring and spar with somebody because they will take advantage of you on there.

34:59 Drew Thinking about your knee surgery and boxing, I remember the story where Adam beat up 12 guys, whatever the story went, they took a baseball bat to your knee just after surgery.

35:07 Ishe Smith Yeah, you beat up 12 guys?

35:10 Adam No, I didn't beat up, I didn't beat up, was it a makeout party?

35:16 Drew A makeout party?

35:17 Adam Yeah.

35:18 Drew What is that?

35:19 Adam Well, I had my knee surgery, I still had stitches in my knee from my arthroscopic knee surgery, it was about two days later, maybe three days later, somebody's parents left town so we're up at their house taking advantage of the house. It was one of those things where there's five chicks and five dudes.

35:38 Drew Ah, makeout party.

35:39 Adam Yeah, four of the chicks were hot and then there was my chick. My chick was ugly and crazy. All right. And by the end of the night, all four dudes had paired off with their hot chicks and gone to separate parts of the house leaving me to watch ESPN alone in the den. My nutty chick was just too nutty for me and she wasn't very good looking, so I decided to call it a night and head out. As I was heading out of her house, a bunch of guys were coming up the stairs, had heard there was a party or something too. I wouldn't call them gang bangers, but they're the Valley equivalent, troublemakers. They came up the hill, all Jewish guys. Now, there's Mexican guys and black guys are all coming up the thing, and I was walking out, I was walking past them. The chick said, the guy hit me. She said, I hit her because she was pissed off. She was pissed off because I didn't want to make out with her. I just want to go home. She was nutty and ugly. True story? Nutty and ugly, yeah. So the lead guy, he's like, you hit her, man? And I was like, nah, I didn't hit her. I didn't hit her. And he kept going because he wanted to fight, you know? And I was like, I don't need any trouble. And then I told him, look, you know, I said, I would fight. I would go out and beat your ass right now. But I got knee surgery. I still got stitches in my knee. I can't do it. The doctor says no fighting, no street fighting for at least a week. So he's like, and then he said to me, I'm gonna break your other knee. And I said, all right, it's on now. Because I was probably drunk too. So, now here's the stupid part. I said to everybody, all right, now you got all your gang with you. Now my gang is having sex. But you guys, you're his gang. All right, but here's the deal. This guy, he was a big guy. He was a scary looking guy. So he's gonna have no problem with me, right? So you guys have to stay out of it. You just make, give us some room. You stay out of it. So we went out in the street and we squared off like it was Kung Fu and I started beating him up. And I whacked him one time good and he sort of fell back and he wouldn't come back. And then I started talking, you know, you got to start, you got to finish what you start now. Come on now. You just get warmed up now. And about that time, about time that happened, I felt the baseball bat, baseball bat full swing, full swing with a baseball bat to the knee.

37:53 Drew The surgery knee.

37:54 Adam No, to the good knee. Oh, well they didn't know which knee was the surgery knee.

37:57 Drew Because it's going to break your other knee, sorry.

37:58 Adam Yeah, he did get the other knee, but he took a full swing and he caught it just above the knee in that sort of meaty part of the thigh. And it was about the best place you could get hit with the bat because if he would have hit from the front, the knee cap, it would have been done. So he hit me at the bat right in the fatty part of the thigh, about six inches above my knee was a full swing, but didn't really hurt me. It just made me like curtsy. And then I said, who hit me with the bat? And then a beer bottle broke on me. The beer bottle was thrown and it busted right on my shoulder. The glass didn't cut me, didn't do anything. Just boom, beer bottle broke.

38:35 Ishe Smith What are you made of?

38:39 Adam It was really lucky. I was really lucky. It was just, you know, he hit me at the bat, he broke a beer bottle on me and I was really, I was fine. So I started yelling, you know, you know who? And then they all piled on me. And then they all when they all piled on me, that's when a guy like split my lip and stuff like that. And then me and the other guy squared off, the guy hit me in the lip and then, and then the cop showed up and everyone split. And then two good things came of this. One is, I was looking for the guy who hit me at the bat for like six months and about a year later, I was at a party, found him in a bathroom, making out with a chick, rarely. New Year's party and my buddy Ray found him and dragged him into the bathroom with us. Yeah. Nice. I was drunk and feeling sexy and I let the guy go, but it was funny that my buddy actually caught him and dragged him to me. And then the other guy, the big Mexican guy, moved into my apartment. And I was standing out, this is five years later, I was out front selling my truck and this big Mexican guy is moving in. Hey, neighbor, how are you doing? The guy goes, I know you from somewhere. And I said, I don't know where I know you from. And he's like, yeah, we know each other. But he was a big, scary Mexican guy, but I beat him up. So I had that thing going for me where he wasn't going to bother me, but he did eventually tell me. That was it. Yeah.

39:57 Drew Good story.

39:58 Adam Yeah, it worked out fine. I was fine and I just a little split in my lip, but the beer bottle busted. Beer bottle could have hit me in the ear and just made me deaf in one ear, but it broke right on my shoulder and the bat could have hit me on the front of the knee and effed me up for real, but didn't do anything.

40:12 Ishe Smith You're made of rubber.

40:13 Caller You don't bleed.

40:14 Adam Steel, steel, not rubber.

40:17 Drew Man of steel.

40:17 Caller Man of steel. Man of steel.

40:20 Adam Ishe Smith is here tonight from The Contender, my favorite show, NBC, Sunday nights, 8 o'clock. We'll have a big finale coming up on the 24th in Las Vegas, a million bucks, and we get online, we get Ishe, we get Ishe in on some of that cash too. We get him fighting. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

40:56 Caller Yeah!

40:57 Adam Loveline, that's what I'm talking about. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Ishe Smith is here tonight from The Contender, my absolute favorite show. Drew, start watching that Contender, I'm telling you. You'll be standing, your wife will love it. My wife's into it.

41:13 Drew I have no doubt. No, I mean, I...

41:16 Adam Yeah, listen, you watch The Apprentice.

41:19 Drew I know, I know.

41:20 Adam Would you listen?

41:21 Drew I am listening.

41:22 Adam All right, now listen. Angel?

41:24 Yes.

41:25 Adam You're 21?

41:25 Drew Yes.

41:26 Adam What's up?

41:27 Well, I've been with my boyfriend for about three and a half years now. And we broke up for about four months, about six months ago, and got back together. And in the past, I have had an interest in females and actually act on that a couple of times. And lately, those feelings have been becoming a little bit stronger, and I'm having a hard time determining whether that's because I have more of an interest in women or because I'm just worried about the trust issue with him of breaking up again.

41:56 Adam You're asking for trouble when you name your kid Angel. That's number one.

41:59 Well, that's not my real name.

42:00 Caller Oh, really?

42:01 Adam Yeah, but your real name is like Brandy.

42:04 Drew Cammie.

42:05 Adam Cammie?

42:06 No.

42:07 Caller All right.

42:08 Adam All right, so you want to know whether you should stay with your boyfriend or...

42:13 Drew I understand your question.

42:14 Adam Yeah.

42:15 Well, I was saying, I can't. I'm having a hard time determining if I'm more attract the women in general or if I'm being more drawn to them because I'm concerned about our relationship because I'm still not really trusting him yet.

42:28 Drew Why aren't you going to other guys as a way of...

42:31 I don't know.

42:32 Adam All right. Well, here's the thing. You have intimacy issues, right?

42:37 Caller Right.

42:37 Adam Your dad's out of the picture. You don't want to get too close to a guy. So, every time you get too close, you feel yourself getting too close, you sabotage the relationship and then you break up.

42:47 Drew She's not sabotaging. He's leaving and she's responding to him.

42:50 Adam Where's he going?

42:52 Caller To girls.

42:53 Caller Where?

42:54 Adam Where's he going?

42:56 Caller Where is he going?

42:57 Adam Yeah. He's breaking up?

42:58 Caller No. We broke up before. He came back.

43:01 Drew He broke up.

43:02 Adam He came back.

43:03 Drew It's a way of fear, fear he's going to leave again.

43:06 Adam All right. Here's the thing. Here's my feeling about relationships when you're under 25, you break up with somebody, stay broken up with them.

43:14 Drew Yeah.

43:14 Adam You get back and then you break up again. It never works. It's like those idiots who get remarried.

43:18 Drew Yes.

43:18 Adam You know, they do that thing where they go, we got married for the first time in 1981. We got married for the second time in 88. And then third time in 92. And now we're down.

43:29 Drew Now we're down.

43:29 Adam Now I want to introduce you to my lady friend, Cami.

43:31 Drew Yeah.

43:32 Adam Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't get married twice. Don't come back. Look, here's the thing. If you have three kids and you're 33 and you have a blowout and you break up and you live apart for six months, you can think about getting back together on behalf of the kids, making a family, all that kind of stuff. You have some history, you have some, you have a family, too. You have something to reconstruct. When you're 21 and you break up with someone, it's at 19 or 21 or whatever. Don't get back. That's it. It means something. Move forward. Now, whether you're into women or men, I don't know.

44:03 Drew Yeah, that's up to you. If you have a sexual abuse history and you have identity issues, that's one thing. If you are just retreating from men because you feel brutalized by this guy, that's another thing. If you're just lesbian, then should we go for women? We don't know. That's in you.

44:15 Caller Right. All right.

44:16 Adam Let's talk to, that's so repugnant, these calls. Ray?

44:23 Caller Yeah.

44:24 Adam You're 19?

44:25 Caller Yep.

44:26 Adam Your girlfriend says you taste bad?

44:29 Caller Yeah, just recently.

44:30 So I'm just wondering, what can I do?

44:31 Caller I've been getting a lot of big stuff from my friends.

44:34 Drew I've never found anybody that really has anything reproducible that you can do. Really?

44:40 Adam What about the pineapple juice?

44:41 Drew Pineapple juice, pineapple yogurt, all kinds of stuff, but I've never really heard any beneficiaries of that because if that were really a big, if there really were something, women everywhere would be demanding for it, you know what I'm saying? It really made a difference.

44:53 Caller Yeah. How do you taste bad?

44:56 Drew How do you taste good?

44:57 Caller Well, he means, does all of you taste bad?

45:01 Adam Ishe, his man stuff.

45:06 Drew His man protein creation with excrement.

45:08 Caller Yeah.

45:09 Adam The stuff, the stuff, slime jacks to keep that, keep that amazing physique. That's what we're talking about. The juice, you know what I'm saying? The nectar of the man. Yeah, that's how you taste bad. Hey, Ray.

45:23 Drew I put him on hold.

45:24 Adam Oh, okay.

45:25 Drew Crazy phone.

45:25 Adam Well, look, what do you want her to do? Put it on her ice cream? Just tell her to put it in her mouth, go spit it. Look, here's the thing. I haven't given this pep talk to women in a long time, but here's the thing. You do not have to ingest the stuff. Just transport it over to the toilet like a good person. Yes? That's what I mean, Drew. Here's what I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying.

45:49 Drew It usually was to the planter.

45:51 Adam Once in a while you take, yeah, to the ficus tree that's by the side of the bed. Once in a while you stand in front of your refrigerator, you take a sit.

45:57 Drew Is that the ficus in your bedroom? Oh, for God's sakes.

45:59 Adam That's what the cactus is. Oh. The ficus is for number two.

46:02 Caller Oh. Okay.

46:03 Adam When you're in front of your refrigerator, once in a while you take a chug of milk or orange juice or something, something that's gone bad, and you get that whoa, whoa, whoa. Now you don't just spit it right back all over the fridge.

46:13 Drew And you don't swallow it.

46:14 Adam And you don't swallow it. You walk yourself over to the sink, and you spit it out. And then you run a little water, and you're all back to normal again. That's what the ladies gotta do. It's just like, oh, the guys, his balls went bad. Gotta get to the sink. Just look at it that way. That's right. They turned. We will take ourselves a little break. Ishe Smith is here tonight from The Contender. Best show on TV. Best. Eight o'clock, NBC, Sunday night. Soon you'll be going online and getting Ishe in on a couple of these bucks on some of these fights that are gonna be on the undercard of the Big Caesar's Palace fight on the 24th. Talk about that, talk to him, talk to you after this.

46:55 Best show on television.

47:38 Adam Hey, everybody, it's the Loveline. I'm Adam. That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-L-A-V-A. Ishe Smith is here tonight from The Contender. Ishe was considered the one to beat until he got beat in The Contender. He won his first fight, which was a nice battle with Babyface, and then got bit by the Latin Snake Sergio last week in a very, very close split decision battle. The big fight, and listen, I'm not BS-ing you people when I tell you most compelling show on TV. And here's my honest assessment of the show. The show looks great. It's Mark Burnett. It's cool to see Sugar Ray and Sylvester Stallone. And I'm starting to get to know all the characters. And all the guys seem like, with the exception of Babyface, or whatever the guy's name, who was praying to Allah, was finally got... Oh, wait. Oh, he got beat. Yeah, he got beat again. He's out again. Now, a couple of guys got called back. One guy committed suicide after he left. Did you get to know him at all?

48:49 Ishe Smith Yeah, he was close. That was very hard for all of us involved with the show.

48:53 Adam What point of the show were you at when you found out that he'd committed suicide?

48:58 Ishe Smith We were in the point of just waiting. And I think maybe...

49:01 Adam Had he finished taping?

49:02 Ishe Smith Finished taping and we were just waiting for it to come out. They delayed it a couple of times. And you know, boxers like to fight. We think it's like some boxers think it's a way out. You know, they like to relieve their mind stresses and he wasn't able to do that. And you know, he maybe took his own life. And that's sad.

49:18 Adam It was sad because they showed him with his kid. And you know, everyone's got kids and I mean, mama's crying and talking in Spanish and everyone's praying. And it's really by the time it gets down to the end, you're just, you're on your feet when that bell rings. It is, it is exciting. All right, let's talk to Jeff, who's 23. He's a veteran of the Iraq War. Yes, sir. Jeff, what's up? Yeah. Hold on, what branch are you in?

49:48 I'm in the Army, sir.

49:49 Adam All right, so I like the sir. And are you still in the Army?

49:52 Yes, I'm in the Reserves.

49:54 Adam And what do you do over there in Iraq?

49:56 I do water purification, actually.

49:58 Adam Oh, see, that's me. I want to be in the rear with the gear, as they say.

50:02 Actually, though, when we first went, because I went when the war first started, we were with the first push of Marines, and of course the Army people, we were their water support. Wow.

50:10 Adam And the Marines' water support. Wow. Wow. And when you guys won a battle, did you do that Gatorade dump, like on the General? Let us do that war, too, you know? The General wins a big battle, big Gatorade dump, a couple of guys come up behind him.

50:25 I thought it wasn't clear that the General would win.

50:27 Adam I'm just saying, you know, you think the head coach wouldn't like it either, but it turns out, and here's the thing, Lombardi probably wouldn't have gone for it, you know what I mean? Back in the day, just like Pat.

50:36 Drew That big brown coat, the hat would have gotten ruined.

50:38 Adam Yeah, cigar, just like Patton probably wouldn't have gone for it, but this is today's Army. People are cooler. It's a lighter, fresher Army. It's a funner Army. You'd get a nice recruit and be a nice recruiting commercial, all the guys just sneaking up, dump the big Gatorade thing on the guy's head. All right. So, Jeff, you're back now?

50:58 Yes. Yes, I am.

50:59 Caller All right.

51:01 Actually, my question was my girlfriend, who I've been with for about three and a half years, actually brought this up to me yesterday. I don't know if she was cool about it or not about it. She said that I don't last as long as I used to before I left, because we've been together since way before I left, and she actually brought it up, that I don't last as long. I was like, what the hell are you talking about? Because I don't know this stuff like that.

51:19 Drew How long have you been back?

51:21 Actually, I've been back for about a year, and she just brought it up. Maybe she was looking for a time to say it, but she just told me yesterday. And before it was like 10, 15 minutes max, and now she tells me, I mean, I guess she's timing me or whatever. Now it's like five or six minutes, she said. I was like, well, maybe it's just better sex. And she was like, no.

51:40 Adam And I was like, hell. Don't ask.

51:44 All right.

51:44 Adam Well, look, you're sliding in your comfort zone, I think. You're getting into your rhythm.

51:50 Drew Yeah.

51:51 Adam You're not, you know, it's like, it's different between your first day at work and your, you know, 500th day at work. You know, you start showing up a little bit later, start taking a little longer lunch.

52:02 Right.

52:04 Adam Stealing supplies, you know.

52:06 Drew Is this a problem for her?

52:09 She didn't say it was a problem. She just kind of brought it up to me. It was kind of a casual conversation with her. Like, I didn't get mad.

52:13 Caller She wasn't...

52:14 Adam Well, why don't you focus on it and see what you can do? But if not, give her a little more oral sex. Because that's when you set the clock.

52:22 All right.

52:23 Ishe Smith Think about baseball. That's what I do.

52:25 Drew Boxing.

52:26 Adam Yeah, think about boxing. Yeah. Are you watching the show, Jeff?

52:30 Oh yeah, contender, I have a T-vote.

52:32 Adam Yeah, I T-vote the hell out of the tent.

52:34 I'm sorry you lost, man. You were one hell of a puncher, man.

52:38 Ishe Smith Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

52:39 It was like seriously, seriously, you should have. I could see you be in the chat, man.

52:44 Ishe Smith Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

52:46 Adam It was. Oh, I'll tell you, you're nervous. You're nervous when the fights come in the show because you've been living with the guys. Guys, dads come back from the war and other guys got his kids there and they're praying together. So by the time the bell rings at the end, you're actually on your feet, sort of walking around. You're pacing around a little bit.

53:06 Drew Do you have a dance for this one?

53:07 Adam I have a Survivor dance, which I did tonight.

53:09 Drew Of course, I saw that. And the Contender dance?

53:11 Adam Oh, your Contender dance?

53:12 Caller Yeah.

53:13 Adam Bouncing around throwing punches in the air.

53:15 Caller Sure.

53:15 Adam Bathrobes, slippers.

53:16 Drew You really are like a third grader when you watch TV.

53:18 Adam Dog looking at me like I'm insane. Why feel a move in front of TV?

53:22 Caller Yeah. Wow.

53:23 Caller Exciting.

53:25 Adam Pacing around.

53:26 Drew I have to watch this with you. I don't want to see it.

53:28 Adam Yeah. Well, wait, watch out, you could get hit. I go nuts. Breaking furniture and stuff. No, I get nervous. I start pacing around. You really get nervous because you have, you know, if you think about it, when you watch a fight on television, you don't really know the fighters. Most of the time, you just know, like last time you saw him on the news, one of his tigers mauled his neighbor's dog. Right. Right. And he's being sued for palimony. That's about all you know about the dude. And you don't even really feel that much for the dude because it's like, he's getting $17.2 million for the fight. He gets knocked out in the second round. That's $17 million for six minutes worth of work. These guys, they ain't getting paid. You know them, their families are there. It's that sort of lose or go home, you know, kind of thing. It's, there's tension.

54:16 Caller Yeah.

54:17 Adam Michelle, am I right?

54:18 Caller My sweaty palms and everything.

54:19 Adam Sweaty palms, pacing around, throwing punches in the air.

54:23 Caller Okay.

54:24 Adam Drew, it's cool.

54:26 Caller Yeah.

54:26 Adam Jennifer?

54:28 Caller Yes.

54:29 Adam 26?

54:30 Caller Mm-hmm.

54:30 Caller Let me turn down the radio.

54:32 Caller Let me turn down the radio.

54:34 Caller All right.

54:35 Caller Yeah.

54:36 Caller How are you doing?

54:37 Adam Doing good. How are you doing?

54:38 Caller I'm doing good. And you know, that show, Contender, it rocks.

54:42 Adam It's so good.

54:43 Caller My boyfriend doesn't even like it.

54:44 Caller They're like, it's so violent.

54:46 Caller I'm like, you don't understand. There's a whole emotional part about the whole show.

54:50 Adam Yeah. And you think that's violent. What about the serious cornhole his boyfriend gave him earlier in the week, huh? Call that violence. Yeah. That's violent. Very violent. This guy's gay. Get rid of him. You find a nice straight guy.

55:03 Drew Who likes the Contender.

55:04 Adam Who likes the Contender. Listen, there's not a straight man alive that wouldn't love this show. And I include you in that group, Drew. Ding, ding, ding.

55:11 Caller I think you're right.

55:13 Drew So what's the deal?

55:14 Caller The deal is I've had four back surgeries in the past year.

55:17 Adam For what?

55:17 Caller And I got her to work. I ruptured a disc and then it re-ruptured six weeks later and then basically another disc had deteriorated over that time and so they decided to do a fusion. And so blah, blah, blah, blah.

55:34 Adam What do you do? Are you a longshoreman?

55:36 Caller What are you doing? No, I worked for an attorney who was about to be four or two and we were painting the office. Okay, longshore story, painting the office and it's a little letter is outside and he's like, oh, that's okay. I'll hold the chair, a rolling chair, straight out of Bad Ocean movie.

55:53 Adam You fell off the chair?

55:54 Caller Oh, I was passing the files down. Yeah. And of course, and I fell on my butt.

56:01 Adam You're 25 though. You're supposed to be able to take that.

56:03 Drew You fell on a scaffolding when you were 23 with those saw or something.

56:06 Oh, yeah.

56:08 Adam Listen, I don't know. I can tell every horrible, horrible story of my horrible life. But yeah, when I work in structures, to fall out windows and stuff.

56:15 Caller I'm a little fragile, I guess.

56:16 Adam Listen, let me tell you my theory about stuff with this. I don't say everyone has to get hit with a beer bottle and not sue. I should sue everyone starting with my parents. And then I go to the LA Unified School District and I sue them. I should just be suing everybody. Drew, I should be suing you as well. I really should. But here's the point. You know, sometimes people get rear-ended and there's no damage done to the car, but the guy claims he can't walk, he can't turn his head. That to me just means you're defective and you can't sue if you're defective. You know what I mean? Like if you're a young person and you trip on a cord and fall down in a hallway that's carpeted and you claim it can never work again, you're defective. Maybe you can get 10 bucks from the person that left the cord there, but we can't have people that are defective getting, you know what I mean? You're a defective part. You should see what happened to Ishe in the ring. He should be suing the Latin snake, Sergio. Okay. But I just mean if, look, he's a tuned athlete, but if people, you know what the human body is capable of putting up with. Well, young ones. Young people, yes, and these stupid people claim they can never work again after the chair tips back and falls back in the office. I mean, come on. All right. I'm going to yell at Jennifer. So Jennifer, we're talking to Jennifer.

57:37 Caller Okay. So let me defend myself for a second. I went on a four year full-rise scholarship, so I'm not just some fragile little like weak person who's defective or genetically defective. I've got a very strong family. I took a pretty hard fall on the old tush. Well, not big old tush, but anyways, long story short, at the one year mark of having the fourth surgery, and the doctor says, you look a little sad. I'm going to put you on Lexapro. And I'm like, okay. And he just puts me on it. And then I don't have like the brochure that tells you all the time.

58:11 Drew Jennifer, every single aspect of your story is people doing things to you, that you're sort of helpless and all these things are being done unto you and all these horrible things to happen.

58:21 Adam It looks sad you should be put on this drug.

58:23 Caller Well, quite honestly, though, Dr. Drew, I am kind of getting depressed because...

58:27 Drew Yeah, but you really have a whole victim role you play, and that means you must have been victimized more seriously earlier in your life.

58:34 Caller Well, Sandy, you're going to go with that aspect of it, but I am going into a deeper depression.

58:40 Drew No, I understand that, but this victim-survivor stuff needs to be looked into. So anyway, you're getting depressed.

58:47 Adam Were you victimized earlier in life?

58:49 Caller No, actually, I'm golden. My parents are still together, very supportive in sports and school, always there, just didn't have that crazy uncle or grandpa or babysitter or anything like that. I wish I could tell you some story, even I don't, some story like that, to say that there's a reason why.

59:09 Drew You never had an eating disorder?

59:10 Caller An eating disorder? No, no, actually I don't. No, I don't sleep.

59:19 Why not?

59:20 Caller I just, I'm having a really hard time dealing with the nighttime pain of, because I still have an extremely amount of like chronic pain.

59:29 Drew So you're taking pain pills to?

59:31 Caller And my lower legs and my back.

59:33 Drew So what's the pain medication you're taking?

59:36 Caller There's Narco that I take and then there's Selma.

59:39 Caller She's getting strung out.

59:41 Caller No, actually, you know, I've done a really good job. There has been a history of addiction, pharmaceutical addiction in my family. And so I've done a really, really good job. Talk to my doctor.

59:51 Drew Who was the addict in your family?

59:52 Caller My mom.

59:53 Drew Yeah. Well, that's trauma, Jennifer.

59:56 Adam Having an addict mom is traumatizing.

59:58 Drew It's seriously traumatizing. Okay. And so to say you're not a trauma survivor is to deny.

1:00:02 Caller I was thinking like rape or something.

1:00:04 Drew No, to deny the circumstances of your life. Yeah. And so, look, you're addicted now to opiates and you're getting depressed. My recommendation, you know, you can go, you're at a crossroads. You can go down the chronic pain path, in which case you're going to get put on stronger, increasingly stronger pain medication. And you're, the question we have up here on the board is you have no sex drive. On Norco, you don't have sex drive. On Lexapro, you don't have sex drive. So of course, these medications, you're not going to have that.

1:00:31 Adam That's Norco.

1:00:32 Drew Oh, Vicodin. And so.

1:00:33 Adam You have a good football team this year too.

1:00:35 Drew Indeed.

1:00:36 Adam And Norco is Vicodin, and what's the Lexapro?

1:00:39 Drew Lexapro is in serotonin. We have taken him out of the Lexaprozac.

1:00:42 Adam All right.

1:00:42 Drew Yeah, so the fact is, my recommendation to you would be to go to an abstinence program, because I treat patients like you all day long, people with back pain. Magically, the pain goes away in three weeks off medication.

1:00:51 Adam Yeah, I don't, this is something I don't think people know about, but whenever we talk to people with sort of chronic back pain that are on these drugs that are sort of under 40, they end up just being addicts, for the most part.

1:01:06 Drew People understand that the opiates cause severe back pain. You're in a chronic state of withdrawal, and it causes horrible back pain and headaches. Horrible back pain.

1:01:15 Adam So it's pretty straightforward. It starts off innocently enough, you have some sort of injury, and the doctor gives you the Vicodin, and you take the Vicodin, and I've talked to a lot of people that aren't the drug addict type.

1:01:29 Drew Oh, not at all.

1:01:29 Adam They took a Vicodin, and they're like, oh my god, yummy. Where's this been my whole life? And they take a Vicodin, and next thing you know, they start liking the Vicodin, and they have to stay on it for a few weeks because of the injury, and now it's like, well, you're all healed, I'll be taking the Vicodin away from you, and they're like, uh-uh.

1:01:47 Drew Well, now they get some withdrawal, and the back pain really kicks in.

1:01:51 Adam The back pain.

1:01:51 Drew And now you're done.

1:01:52 Adam Because your body says, we need some more Vicodin, and what's going to get us some more Vicodin? A little pain in the back. Now we get some more Vicodin. So your body kicks in.

1:02:00 Drew It's really only the attics, biological, genetic attics that do that. For that reward system in the attics, learns, let's use a word like learn, learns how to get the reward. Give it pain, you have pain, it gets rewards, or it'll give you pain.

1:02:13 Ishe Smith She sound great to me. Sound like she was upbeat about life and everything.

1:02:17 Drew She is, superficially, but you understand Norco. Norco can't sleep all night and is depressed and angry.

1:02:23 Adam I'll tell you, Vicodin, one of the few drugs I didn't like.

1:02:26 Caller Oh, he's Vicodin.

1:02:28 Adam Yeah, true, you don't like Vicodin. You lose control.

1:02:31 Drew No, it's not the control thing. I actually don't like how I feel. I feel dysphoric.

1:02:34 Adam Really?

1:02:35 Drew Yeah, I feel like ugh.

1:02:35 Adam It's a bummer.

1:02:36 Drew Bummer.

1:02:37 Adam I mean, my thing with Vicodin is like, I feel about Vicodin like I feel like lost in translation. Like I got built up too much, and then I went and I saw it, and I was like, ugh, that's not that funny. Phil Murray isn't that fun, yeah. Then I'm angry. Yeah. Like people have been telling me, dude, you're gonna get effed up. And I was all excited for like five years before I took my first Vicodin. Then I took a Vicodin, I was like, then I thought, well, I better have a beer.

1:03:05 Drew Better get some tele-on.

1:03:06 Adam Better get a beer going. See if that just sort of activate things. I gave it a chance. Nothing, nothing. All right, Drew, you ready to rock here?

1:03:13 Drew Let's go.

1:03:14 Caller Ishe, ready to go?

1:03:15 Adam Let's talk to Jill, who's 14.

1:03:20 Caller Jill?

1:03:21 Hi, I'm 14 and I lost my virginity to a 29-year-old guy.

1:03:25 Drew Hey Jill, one quick second. I want to just say one last word to Jennifer. I wrote a book about this called When Painkillers Become Dangerous. It's about Oxycontin. You can get it online. It's When Painkillers Become Dangerous. Read a little bit about how we approach the chronic pain issue.

1:03:38 Adam Now should she buy the book or can she just read some excerpts online?

1:03:41 Drew She has to buy it.

1:03:42 Adam She just read some stuff online.

1:03:44 Drew I don't think it is online.

1:03:45 Adam Well, get it from the library.

1:03:46 Drew There you go. Library.

1:03:47 Caller Yeah.

1:03:49 Adam Is it at the library?

1:03:50 Drew I imagine.

1:03:51 Adam Jill?

1:03:52 Caller Yeah.

1:03:53 Drew So Jill, you're 14.

1:03:55 Caller Yeah. I gave consent and everything and I wanted to, and I told him I was 18. So I'm like, is this going to mess me up later on or?

1:04:06 Adam You had sex with, the guy was how old?

1:04:08 Caller 29.

1:04:10 Drew Who is he to you?

1:04:11 Caller He, I just met him, like I was at some party and I just met him.

1:04:16 Liar, liar whore, liar whore and you know it.

1:04:19 Drew Had you had sex ever before?

1:04:21 Caller No.

1:04:22 Drew That was your first sexual experience?

1:04:24 Yeah.

1:04:25 Adam And the guy's 29?

1:04:27 Yeah.

1:04:28 Ishe Smith Did you use protection?

1:04:30 Caller Um, yeah.

1:04:32 Drew What did you use?

1:04:33 Adam Jim's, uh, condom.

1:04:35 Caller Condom.

1:04:36 Adam Hey, uh, hey Jill. So your question is, is, and this happened how long ago?

1:04:42 Caller Like five months ago.

1:04:44 Drew All right.

1:04:44 Adam So your, your question is, is, is this going to scar you emotionally? Well, here- It's gonna affect you.

1:04:51 Drew Well, here- It's more of what, what is going on already that you decided this was a good idea.

1:04:54 Adam It's a cumulative, uh, effect. It's sound, you sound depressed already.

1:04:58 Drew Yeah.

1:04:59 Adam So, what's up? How's the family doing?

1:05:02 Caller They're just divorced. I mean, it's not- they're just a divorce. It's not bad.

1:05:08 Adam Your, your family's divorced. Are you doing okay in school?

1:05:13 Caller All right.

1:05:15 Caller All right.

1:05:15 Adam You just sound depressed.

1:05:16 Drew You sound very depressed.

1:05:18 Adam Do you have friends?

1:05:19 Caller Yeah.

1:05:22 Caller Yeah.

1:05:22 Caller All right, baby.

1:05:23 Adam And what do you want to be when you, uh, grow up an auctioneer?

1:05:27 Caller Um, I don't really care. Air traffic controller.

1:05:30 Caller Air traffic controller. Yeah.

1:05:31 Adam It should be great, Ace, right?

1:05:33 Caller Uh, uh, uh, zero, two, uh, niner.

1:05:38 Drew Descend and maintain.

1:05:40 Caller We got a bogey coming out of the, uh, one ounce. It's approaching aircrafts, uh, 400 knots. It's at, uh, 5,000 yards and 4,000.

1:05:55 Adam Impact him in it. We'll grab some lunch.

1:06:00 Caller Yeah.

1:06:00 Adam Oh, uh, let's get some foam on the runway.

1:06:03 Caller Can we get some foam, please? I don't have a Diablos sandwich in a Sprite too.

1:06:09 Adam Yeah. All right. Uh, it's so sad, but it's, it's sad to hear everyone so depressed, especially at like 14. Like, what do you want to do when you're older?

1:06:16 Caller I don't care.

1:06:18 Adam I mean, at least, you know, want to be a fireman or school teacher or a nurse or something, even if you're not going to be that, at least have a dream at 14. Yeah.

1:06:27 Drew Yeah.

1:06:28 Caller I'm going to whip her up. Jill?

1:06:30 Caller Yeah.

1:06:31 Adam Let's go, baby. You're 14.

1:06:34 Caller Could it be because I was like overweight when I was a kid and like everyone hated me or?

1:06:39 Caller Yeah.

1:06:39 Adam So she, yeah, a little low self-esteem.

1:06:42 Drew Yeah, certainly.

1:06:42 Adam But here, here's the, here's the thing, Jill, you, you, you live in America. Thankful for greatest country in the world. But, you know, the possibility of Canada, but I'd say it's better in Canada. You're the greatest country in the world. You're a, you're in one piece. You have no disabilities. You have a use of all your limbs and everything. Let's go. You can do whatever you want. Let's break it down. Let's get a hand in now. You know what I'm saying?

1:07:06 Caller Take a knee. Take a knee.

1:07:07 Adam Let's go.

1:07:07 Caller Let's take a knee.

1:07:08 Adam Gentlemen, that helmet is not a chair. Grab a knee. I didn't like it when you sat on your helmets. You know what? Not a chair.

1:07:16 Caller I wasn't taking Zoloft, but I just don't have. I don't take it like how I'm supposed to.

1:07:22 Drew Well, I just start doing that.

1:07:23 Adam Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I want to give everyone a pep talk here because I come from a poor, depressed, crappy family who just, all they did was sit around and let life happen to them. You know, just get kicked around. That's all. Just waiting for, a lot of people just sit around waiting for something bad to happen to them. Just it, but in general, Drew, you don't know this. You don't know about losers. Losers, they're depressed, they don't know they can do anything. They just sort of wait around until bad things happen to them.

1:07:52 Drew So much of what people allow in their lives is stuff that they create. Yes. When you're a loser, you expect to be a loser, you make loser things happen.

1:08:00 Ishe Smith You make other people around you losers. Yes. Because you're a loser.

1:08:03 Adam Yes, yes. You create a whole new generations of losers. That's what my family tried to do, but it didn't work.

1:08:10 Drew You broke out.

1:08:11 Adam I broke out. I'm free and they can't stop me. Thank God none of them listen to the show. Oh, would they be angry?

1:08:17 Drew If they did, you'd tell them what condition your condition is in.

1:08:20 Caller I really would.

1:08:21 Adam But here's the thing. Everyone focuses on whatever it is they don't have, but if you really think about it, you're living in a time where you get to live till 85. You don't get killed by a flu when you're 17 years old. You know what I mean? You're living in a time when, and in a place where you can do whatever you want to do. Think about all the times in history where if you were a certain religion, a certain color, a certain sex, a certain something.

1:08:51 Drew You live in a different country right now.

1:08:53 Adam Right now, there's many countries, there are many countries where, hey, if you're a chick, you're screwed. You can't do anything. If you're a certain religion, you're screwed. You're just fighting for your life. You can't do anything. You're living in a country, you're living in time, you can do whatever you want. That's it. You have resources, you have institutions in place, you can do whatever you want. You're able-bodied, you're able-minded. Let's go. Don't squander it. That's all. And by the way, you got another 70 years. Let's make them good ones.

1:09:21 Ishe Smith And zip it up.

1:09:22 Adam And zip it up. Yeah.

1:09:24 Ishe Smith God, I mean, what happened to the days when it used to be sacred? Oh, sex? No, don't give it up that easy. Make them work or something.

1:09:32 Adam And here's the other thing, too. I agree with Ishe, a little roadwork, hit the bag, and then maybe get some sex.

1:09:39 Caller Time to kind of out.

1:09:41 Adam We'll take ourselves a little break. Ishe Smith here tonight from The Contender. Best show on TV.

1:09:47 Caller We'll be right back after this.

1:09:49 Caller Thank you for calling Loveline. Your call will be answered in the order it seems interesting.

1:09:56 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

1:10:11 Adam There, buddy, it's Loveline, madam. That's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1. Ishe Smith is here tonight, the contender. Great, great show. Watch it this Sunday. Oh man, what's coming up this Sunday?

1:10:26 Ishe Smith It's good stuff, good drama.

1:10:28 Adam Yeah, who's fighting? Oh, you can't say, you can't tell us.

1:10:30 Ishe Smith They can't tell you. Oh, it's good this Sunday.

1:10:33 Adam Here's the thing.

1:10:34 Drew How can we get mad at me when I save him from that one?

1:10:36 Adam I know, I know he couldn't tell us. I know he couldn't tell us. Everyone left in the house is, I mean, I don't care who fights who. It's going to be exciting. It's going to be good. Guys, kids and dads and everyone's crying. There's more crying on that show than there is on a daytime Latin soap. This guy's bawling their eyes out. Everyone getting emotional. I think a lot of camaraderie between the guys, too.

1:10:58 Ishe Smith What did you think of number one daddy?

1:11:01 Adam Oh, that guy.

1:11:02 Ishe Smith Basante.

1:11:03 Adam Anthony. Anthony. Anthony's kind of an A-hole of the whole group. And Anthony does the same crap Drew does, which is, hey, man, I got to protect my family. I got to do what's best for them. And so they get to do stuff that makes everyone think they're an A-hole. You see what I'm saying? Now, Drew, you know what I'm talking about, which is you only do it a little bit. But some of these guys do this thing where they have they got a couple of kids. And so every single thing they do, even if it's an A-hole move, it's just all about they no one ever argues with them because they go, look, I got I got two kids at home. And those two, at the end of the day, I got to go home to those two kids and I got to provide a roof over their head, whatever. Meanwhile, he's kind of an idiot. This guy, at least that's how it's coming across. Now, he he he did have a pretty good fight. And he looked pretty pretty strong in his fight, but it was against a guy who was he wasn't supposed to fight. He wasn't supposed to fight. It was a little untested. And oh, yeah. I mean, there's a little little backstabbing going on. But he's he's one of these guys that keeps saying, you know, feed my kids, feed my kids. And I'm looking out for me. And he's kind of an idiot. Yeah. But it's just describes me, right? It's just no, no, no. But you know what? You know what I'm talking about? It's the same. But it's the same thing, which is you need that guy in the house. We had a whole bunch of guys like Ishe. You just have a bunch of nice guys walking around being the crap out of each other.

1:12:27 Drew Like any house.

1:12:28 Adam No, but I'll tell you, there's nothing better than when this guy is getting into the ring and his own team, because they broke him up into East and West at the beginning. His old team is wanting him to lose because they're PO'd at him. I mean, that makes for a little drama.

1:12:45 Ishe Smith Yeah, I'm surely one of those.

1:12:48 Caller Yeah, yeah.

1:12:48 Adam Well, he doesn't seem, he's got a lot of heart, I think, that and it seems pretty strong. But I just wonder if his skills are good enough to take him to the very top of the mountain.

1:12:59 Ishe Smith He watching drama.

1:13:01 Caller Yeah. All right.

1:13:03 Adam Veronica. Veronica, 16.

1:13:08 Caller Yeah.

1:13:09 Adam What's up?

1:13:13 Caller I'm a C cup and I'm still growing. And like, I was wondering, like maybe down the line, if I should get like a breast reduction. Like my mom doesn't think I should get it, but like, I don't know.

1:13:26 Drew Why in the world are you worrying about that now?

1:13:28 Caller I don't know. Cause my cousin, she's like, well, this was a while ago. She was 16 and she was like already a double D. And I was like, whoa.

1:13:37 Drew That's cause she was a double D.

1:13:39 Caller Right.

1:13:39 Drew She was 16. You're a C.

1:13:41 Caller Yeah. But I'm still growing.

1:13:43 Drew Yeah. Right. But you're not a double D.

1:13:46 Adam You know, first off, everyone's still growing at 16 for the most part. And then you could stop tomorrow.

1:13:51 Drew Right. Relax. It's all right. Well, why are you so obsessed about this kind of thing?

1:13:57 Caller I'm not obsessed. I just like, I don't know.

1:14:00 Drew Usually when they get a reduction, they go down to a C. So there you are. You're right where you want to be.

1:14:06 Adam Where, how big's the rest of you? How's that doing?

1:14:09 Caller I'm pretty good, I guess. I don't know.

1:14:13 Drew Are you not liking the way the women are treating you or the way your boyfriends, the boys are looking at you? Or what's the problem?

1:14:19 Caller Well, my boy situation right now is kind of like weird. I don't know, boys are weird.

1:14:25 Drew Yes.

1:14:25 Adam What's up? What are they doing?

1:14:30 Caller Well, there's this boy that I was kind of seeing, but not really. We weren't really dating, but we hooked up every now and then. And then he started to get like really weird. And now like, he won't even answer his phone anymore. And like he quit his job.

1:14:47 Drew All right. So get away from it. Sounds like a pain.

1:14:49 Adam And by the way, you get the reduction and that's it with you and him. Yeah. All right. Any other non-questions you don't want to ask us?

1:14:58 Ishe Smith No. What's hooked up? Did you get you sleep with him or you kissed, you said you wasn't with him, but you hooked up with him?

1:15:04 Caller No, I actually gave him like head twice.

1:15:07 Adam Twice?

1:15:08 Caller Wow.

1:15:10 Adam Same night?

1:15:11 Caller Huh?

1:15:11 Caller Cause that's it.

1:15:12 Adam That's a trooper. I can't do that anymore.

1:15:14 Drew Remember the girl we talked to last time?

1:15:15 Adam I think I'm going to do it. I always announce two times. But then after the first one, it's like, all right, Tiva.

1:15:21 Drew Remember the girl we talked to last time who was getting naked with these guys and-

1:15:23 Adam Oh my God. Ishe, you wouldn't believe what's going on out there today.

1:15:27 Ishe Smith This is amazing.

1:15:28 Adam It's amazing.

1:15:29 Ishe Smith She's giving head at 16.

1:15:30 Caller Oh my God.

1:15:32 Drew Old maid.

1:15:33 Caller There's nothing.

1:15:36 Adam Please. This is what they do in fin. They teach you this in finishing school now. Veronica.

1:15:41 Drew Yeah.

1:15:42 Adam All right. Reel it in. No BJ, no boob job.

1:15:45 Drew Yeah. If you have a boyfriend, go start dating someone.

1:15:48 Adam No BJ, no BJ.

1:15:50 Okay.

1:15:51 Ishe Smith No BJ.

1:15:52 Drew BJ. No BJ, no BJ.

1:15:53 Adam No BJ, no BJ.

1:15:56 Ishe Smith Drew, is there sexual transmitted disease through blowjobs?

1:15:59 Adam Oh, yeah.

1:15:59 Drew Absolutely.

1:16:01 Ishe Smith You should think about that. You're only 16. You should enjoy life.

1:16:04 Drew You have chlamydia of the throat or something?

1:16:05 Adam You get the same thing. Yeah, I got pink eye. I mean, that gave this chick some thing.

1:16:13 Caller Come on, Drew.

1:16:14 Adam Don't make me bust out.

1:16:16 Drew She flung her panties at you.

1:16:17 Adam Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah. 16. Reel it in. Find yourself a nice guy. What do you want? What's healthy? What's healthy in high school?

1:16:27 Drew It's not healthy to have sex under 17.

1:16:30 Adam It was 18 a few years ago for you.

1:16:32 Drew You moved it down. 18, I'd like to see it when Wade's 18 because it just bonds people together the way they can't manage. I see this all the time.

1:16:38 Adam OK. But then if you have, if you're a girl and you have sex with somebody and it's your boyfriend in high school, aren't you guys bonded?

1:16:46 Drew Yes.

1:16:46 Adam I mean, because it's going to be hard.

1:16:47 Drew That's going to be a relationship that if you were 25, it would have lasted about two months, but now it's going to last like seven years.

1:16:53 Adam So if you, for your own family, if your kids are bonding this way as seniors in high school, and they have a good person, it's been six or eight months, they're intimate, would you want them to go to the same college?

1:17:07 Drew No.

1:17:07 Adam You want them to break it up?

1:17:08 Drew Yeah.

1:17:08 Adam That's enough. They should bond with others in college.

1:17:12 Drew But they need to figure out who they are in a relationship. They're dating. They have to go out and figure out what they want for another person, what other people are like, how they exist, how they fit with other people.

1:17:22 Adam Right. Yeah. It's weird because once you get that locked in thing in high school, sometimes it, once you bring it outside of high school, it's just on.

1:17:32 Drew Yeah.

1:17:32 Adam You get married, you go to the same college, you do whatever, boom, you have a kid. It's just, there's a weird critical like 14 months there between 16 and a half and 18 or something like that where you can get locked in with somebody, oftentimes the wrong person.

1:17:48 Ishe Smith It never works.

1:17:49 Adam It never works and it just keeps going. It's just in, it's just on.

1:17:52 Drew So you're bonded to somebody that you hadn't had a chance to evaluate.

1:17:57 Adam Right.

1:17:57 Drew Nor evaluate from the perspective of who you are going to be. Because you're gonna be a different person at 24 than 18.

1:18:03 Adam You would almost be, we would be better off like quarantining your kids from 16 and a half to 19.

1:18:10 Drew That's what I'm gonna do.

1:18:11 Adam Quarantine.

1:18:12 Drew Your house.

1:18:12 Adam All right. I'll put them in the bunker. I gotta get some work out of them, though.

1:18:16 Drew Oh, they can be like librarians of your porn bunker.

1:18:19 Adam Yeah.

1:18:20 Drew Keepers.

1:18:20 Adam Yeah.

1:18:20 Drew Final cataloging. It takes years to set that thing up.

1:18:24 Adam Right.

1:18:25 Drew Have a little shoot, like in the Nike store, a little thing, a little pneumatic tube that sends the porn up when you dial it in.

1:18:32 Adam They're pushing cards up and down there.

1:18:35 Drew Oh, yes. They're white suits.

1:18:36 Adam Mr. Corolla, we did the big jug porn alphabetically. I said, by areola size. And I slapped them and they'll fall down to the ground and they cry and I stomp up and slam the door.

1:18:46 Drew The little motorized electrical trams.

1:18:48 Caller Yeah, they gotta get around with the trams. Yeah, it's like this.

1:18:50 Drew White jumpsuits.

1:18:51 Adam That's the basement of the Smithsonian.

1:18:55 Drew It's gonna all look like Captain Evil's lair.

1:18:57 Adam Yeah. Yeah. And I put it to work, put it to work for three years.

1:19:00 Drew Oh, they'll have a good time. So much to do.

1:19:02 Adam No, I'll feed them. They got plenty of exercise.

1:19:04 Drew Evo once in a while.

1:19:05 Adam Yeah. Yeah. I'll throw them a bone. All right. Where are we, Drew? Oh yeah. We're speaking to Nick over here. Do we answer?

1:19:13 Drew Oh, shit. No question. Okay.

1:19:15 Caller Nick.

1:19:16 Caller Hello? Hey.

1:19:16 Caller You're 20. Yep.

1:19:18 Adam You watch The Contender?

1:19:20 Caller Oh yeah.

1:19:21 Caller Hardcore.

1:19:22 Adam Yeah.

1:19:23 Caller I don't miss a minute of it either. And I was a huge fan of Ishe. Yeah. I was a huge fan, man. I was behind you 110 percent, especially when he fought Ahmed. I was behind you totally. Yeah.

1:19:35 Adam Ahmed was talking smack. Oh yeah. Ishe was the only one to step up. The other guys were scared of him because he was a good looking fighter.

1:19:43 Caller Yeah. That was a great fight. I mean, it was awesome. I was really hoping you would win. But my question is, a lot of times before your fight, I saw you praying with your wife and stuff. And I wanted to know how much, how much of your faith or how much of your religion goes into your boxing? And how much does that affect your boxing and stuff?

1:20:06 Ishe Smith For me, it's everything. But for some Christians, they're very critical on what I do. Christians sometimes can be the most critical people as non-Christians. So they tend to want to tear people down sometimes for what I do. I just do what I do.

1:20:27 Adam What's their complaint? They didn't like you praying?

1:20:29 Ishe Smith Well, they don't think that I should be a boxer if I believe in God. And that's their major complaint. How can you be in God and you go out there and you're hitting somebody? Well, it's a sport. I love to do it. And I'm going to be the same guy I am. I'm not going to stop praying because I'm a fighter. And it plays a big role in to me and my family and my wife and my son. And, you know, we have a good time. And we just happen to be Christians and it just happens to be my job.

1:20:55 Adam And I know there's a sports prayer etiquette where you can't say, Come on, God, let me win. Seriously, you got to do that. Pray no one gets hurt thing.

1:21:04 Ishe Smith I don't pray for the guy when I fight. You know, no, but you pray.

1:21:07 Adam But you want nobody to get hurt.

1:21:09 Ishe Smith I don't know. Well, I say, God, protect me.

1:21:11 Adam Oh, you don't want to protect us. I don't know. That's cheating.

1:21:15 Caller No, wait a minute.

1:21:17 Adam That's unfair.

1:21:17 Drew No, Christianity was a pacifist. I didn't realize Christianity was necessary. Pacifistic.

1:21:23 Adam It's not.

1:21:24 Drew I mean, the Pope used to go around and kick ass.

1:21:26 Adam Yeah.

1:21:26 Drew Hundreds and hundreds of years.

1:21:27 Adam Well, they had noon chucks.

1:21:29 Drew But I mean, I understand why they're coming after us.

1:21:32 Ishe Smith Well, I just think it's more critical for Christians. They think, well, you should be this. You shouldn't say a curse word. If you step out of line, they wait till you step out of line until they criticize you. Yeah, they're just the most, they're so critical. You just gotta be, you gotta rock the straight and narrow. You just gotta be Christian at all times. Somebody cut you off. You're not supposed to say, hey, what are you doing? You're just supposed to be like, oh, God is protecting me. You're just supposed to be nice at all times. That's just not how I am.

1:21:59 Adam Yeah, you don't have to take the tire iron to the windshield though.

1:22:03 Ishe Smith No, no, no.

1:22:04 Drew No, not the way you used to know.

1:22:07 Adam No, all right, so Nick.

1:22:09 Caller Yeah.

1:22:10 Adam Who you rooting for now that Ishe's gone?

1:22:13 Caller You know, it's really hard, but I'm actually thinking I'm leaning towards Manfredo Jr. Oh, really?

1:22:21 Adam He got kicked. He got kicked out.

1:22:22 Ishe Smith He lost. He came back.

1:22:24 Adam He lost. They voted him back. Yeah.

1:22:27 Caller Showing a lot of heart.

1:22:28 Ishe Smith He has a lot of heart. Yeah, he's he's a good kid. I like Manfredo Jr. He has a lot.

1:22:34 Adam What is he? What's his nationality? Manfredo Jr. Because he's Italian. He is weird.

1:22:40 Ishe Smith Personally, I'm leaning for Alfonso. I think Alfonso is the the heart and soul of the contender. And I like him a lot.

1:22:46 Adam Alfonso is a Mexican fighter. Yeah, he's good. And you know, I got to tell sir. I like Sergio, too.

1:22:52 Ishe Smith Sergio is a great guy. Funny guy. He's a good guy. I love Sergio. Sergio Alfonso are my two favorite.

1:22:58 Adam He had a lot of everybody. And then there's the number one daddy guy. We don't need to see him. But then it'll be sad if he loses. His kids are crying. Oh, these guys, they bring their kids. They're five year olds and daddy's getting a can of whoop ass opened on him. And these kids are like, yeah, but you know what? After the fight, the dad, the dad says, no, I'm fine. The kid's like, all right. Yeah. Your kids were at the fight, right?

1:23:26 Ishe Smith Yeah. My kid is great.

1:23:28 Adam Did he freak him out?

1:23:29 Ishe Smith No, he just it was kind of hard because I didn't know he came in and said, daddy, are you OK? So when I seen that, I was like, I was contemplating not letting him watch it because I didn't want him to see me losing. You know, so because he he don't understand. But I didn't know he came in the locker room and said, daddy, are you OK? So that kind of touched me a little bit.

1:23:47 Adam Right.

1:23:47 Ishe Smith He did that.

1:23:48 Adam Yeah. It's very it's I'll tell you tears. Tears rolling down people's eyes. Sweat, blood and tears.

1:23:56 Ishe Smith What do you got? You're gay.

1:23:57 Adam Yeah.

1:23:57 Ishe Smith What do you guys think of the attorney, the attorney boxer, Joey?

1:24:01 Adam Oh, Joey, the guy whose dad came back from from Iraq. He was this guy who's like a collegiate boxer. And he was like, he thinks he's a real boxer or something. He thinks he's a real boxer or something. But here's here's the deal. They they put him in with Jimmy, Jimmy Lang, Jimmy Lang, who was a guy that everyone was sort of scared of. He was a pro. He was like twenty four and twenty four and one. Twenty four and one. He had a good looking left hook. And it's sort of impressed everybody in the gym. And this guy who was sort of the amateur of the group and no one is no one's really an amateur. But out of all the guys, this would have been the guy with the least experience, the weakest link in terms of experience, put him in with the guy that everyone was scared of. And he ended up winning the fight. So now it's hard to tell. Well, did he somehow just have a good fight or is the other was the other guy overrated?

1:24:58 Ishe Smith It was tough and we were all shocked he beat Jimmy.

1:25:01 Adam Yeah. So now and he's a strong guy. He's a great shape and he's strong. It's a five round fight and a lot of your strength and conditioning comes into play and he's got a ton of heart with his dad there and his full naval dress, dress blues. So that's why it's kind of anyone's thing.

1:25:18 Ishe Smith Well, he's a spokesperson for us, Stallone's products now. So maybe we should get that looked into.

1:25:24 Adam What? What is it? Like hair dye and tank tops? What's he selling?

1:25:29 Ishe Smith He's selling end stones, some supplement lunch.

1:25:31 Adam Oh yeah? Alright, true. Look into that. Good times. Will FDA pull that off the market anytime now? We'll take a quick break. Ishe Smith is here from The Contender. We'll be right back after this.

1:25:42 Ishe Smith Loveline, we'll be right back.

1:25:55 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, Ishe Smith here tonight from The Contender. Sunday nights, 8 o'clock, NBC. Fantastic show. Slides on there. Sugar Ray, doing some wooden VO work, though, by the way. He does a wooden, yeah. He acts about as good as you do.

1:26:17 Drew We hear the VO on my show.

1:26:18 Adam Oh, really? Sugar's a very deliberate speaker, but he's a boxer, Drew. What's your excuse?

1:26:25 Drew The doctor.

1:26:26 Adam Oh, please.

1:26:27 Drew Similar excuse.

1:26:28 Adam 49, looking good. Sly 59, looking brand new. Brand new.

1:26:35 Drew Spanking new.

1:26:35 Adam Spanking new, wearing, you know, tight shirts and smelling of aquavelva. Looking ready to go. And, oh, what's your trainer's name?

1:26:46 Ishe Smith My trainer's name is Joe Goosen.

1:26:48 Adam Oh, Joe Goosen's your trainer.

1:26:49 Ishe Smith We just acquired him and we're out in California training, getting ready for the finale.

1:26:53 Drew Now, how do you know Joe Goosen?

1:26:55 Adam Well, he's a pretty famous trainer. Plus, he's a local North Hollywood guy. I grew up where I grew up in North Hollywood.

1:27:01 Drew The real Main Streets.

1:27:02 Adam Yeah, Main Streets and NoHo, baby.

1:27:05 Caller Keeping it real.

1:27:06 Adam Yeah, and he's got, there's like 3,000 Goosens. I played football with like a Goosen cousin at Valley College and yeah, yeah, Joe Buffo or something. I think that guy's name has got to be 400, 500 pounds by now. Wow.

1:27:22 Caller Yeah.

1:27:23 Adam Yeah, Goosen, his kids fought. One of them got like brain damage or something, had a stroke.

1:27:28 Ishe Smith His brother was a catcher for baseball. His other brother is a promoter. He has a real, his other brother's attorney. He has a real successful family.

1:27:37 Adam Yeah.

1:27:37 Ishe Smith They've done a lot of stuff.

1:27:38 Adam Yeah. Sons, sons fought. I think one of them had a stroke or something. No, it is not quite, not quite right. Courtney?

1:27:45 Yeah.

1:27:46 Adam You're 20?

1:27:47 Caller Yes.

1:27:48 Adam What's up?

1:27:50 Caller Well, I missed my period this month, so I took a pregnancy test and it came up negative and I was wondering what else it could be, if it could be a false negative or do I need to get the doctor? Could something be wrong with me?

1:28:01 Drew You should definitely go to the doctor. You never missed a period before?

1:28:04 Caller Um, back when I was like 15 and 16.

1:28:08 Drew At the beginning.

1:28:09 Caller Yeah.

1:28:09 Drew People miss periods very, very commonly, but if you're normally terribly regular, then sure you ought to have a check-up. There are all kinds of reasons that can happen. I mean, the more common things are pregnancy, obviously medication, changes in your diet, weight loss, ovarian cyst. There's many, many reasons, but get a check-out and get a more definitive pregnancy test perhaps too.

1:28:30 Caller Okay. All right, thank you.

1:28:33 Adam All right there, baby doll. Good luck with that.

1:28:35 Drew Good times.

1:28:35 Adam Good luck with them parts. The trainer on the show, Tommy, is it Tommy Gallagher?

1:28:40 Ishe Smith Tommy Gallagher, yeah.

1:28:41 Adam Yeah, great character. Met him. Yeah, met him at Gleeson's in New York when we were doing a man show bit. Huh. He was my trainer in the boxing bit. Wow, weird. Yeah, he's a total character. He wears a hat all the time, thinks he's 25. He's awesome. Michael?

1:29:00 Yeah.

1:29:01 Adam You're 23?

1:29:02 Caller Yes, I am.

1:29:04 Adam You're in the army?

1:29:06 Caller Actually, I got out Sunday. I just recently got out of the military. Wow.

1:29:10 Adam That's good. Now what?

1:29:14 Caller When I first got back from Iraq, I started seeing this girl and we dated on and off because there was a lot of stuff that happened back and forth. We decided to be friends and we wound up getting really close and we're really good friends. I love hanging out with her and I love joking with her. But now she's getting ready to go to Iraq during the next rotation. She posed the question to me because a lot of our friends were doing contract marriages to do a contract marriage with me.

1:29:47 Drew What's a contract marriage?

1:29:49 Adam Okay, you get married and then few years later you put a contract down and your wife never killed you, collecting the insurance. But she's going to do the same to you. So it's exciting. You gotta have the excitement, the passion.

1:30:01 Drew That's the next show.

1:30:02 Adam Keeping it fresh.

1:30:03 Drew The contract.

1:30:03 Caller The contract.

1:30:05 Caller What I mean by contract marriages, in the military what a lot of people do is because you get extra benefit, you get extra money. If you're married, plus you get like separation pay on top of combat pay.

1:30:17 Caller Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And it's...

1:30:21 Adam Oh, I see. You get more money.

1:30:23 Caller Yeah, exactly.

1:30:24 Adam Right. You rape the taxpayer.

1:30:26 Drew Thank you.

1:30:27 Adam Fantastic. That's me paying for that, by the way. I'm paying for all of that. Yeah. All right. So but are you in love with her?

1:30:37 Caller I care for...

1:30:38 Caller The reason we want to breaking up is because I was leaving the military and I was getting ready to go to college because I finally, you know, I finally finished my commitment. I did my tour in Iraq. I'm ready to go to college and move on. And we broke up not really wanting to break up because I was leaving. And I think a lot of it has to do that she didn't really want to see me go. And now that, you know, she's getting ready to leave Iraq, she wants to know that we're still gonna be something.

1:31:08 Adam I don't know.

1:31:08 Drew Yeah, wait, Michael, I can tell you're BS-ing. You're sort of intellectualizing because we can't follow you.

1:31:14 Adam You're not that into her.

1:31:15 Drew She's into him.

1:31:16 Adam All right.

1:31:17 Drew That's why it's all a bunch of explanations.

1:31:19 Adam You're 23, it's time for you to grow your hair out, hit the campus and see what you can scrape up in the civilian department.

1:31:25 Drew I think she's trying to lock you into something. It really does.

1:31:28 Adam Yeah. Michael, it's just, it's what we talked about earlier in the show. You guys gave it a couple of rounds. It didn't really work out. It's, you're 23, you're going to college.

1:31:38 Drew And I'm not saying she's trying to trap you in a marriage, necessarily, but she's trying to keep you in her life. And this is a great way to do it.

1:31:44 Adam Right. It gets yourself, and look, guys, you know, you're out of the military, you're gonna go to college, you're gonna meet tons of women in college. That's why you go to college, meet chicks.

1:31:55 Drew What was your famous statement? It was, college is a brothel with a football team and a bell tower.

1:32:00 Adam That's what it is. It's just tons of good-looking people your age who are sort of trapped together in a dorm. You have to have sex. It's awesome. I could only imagine what went on in college. I mean, you went to a stupid college where people were smart. That's dumb. You should have went to San Diego State or U of A or one of these schools where lots of dumb people wear tight shorts. Yeah, you went to...

1:32:27 Drew Humanity.

1:32:28 Adam Where did you go?

1:32:29 Caller Amherst College.

1:32:30 Adam Yeah, Amherst. Snowy, smart chicks, smart, fat, fat, smart chicks, all that other one. Angry, lesbians. No, Drew. Lots of those. You send your kids to San Diego State and let them have a good time. I'll be jealous.

1:32:44 Caller Yeah.

1:32:46 Adam We'll take a quick break. Ishe Smith here from The Contender. We'll be right back after this. Well, that's the show, everybody. I want to thank Ishe Smith for coming in here tonight from The Contender. You know, we always have people on, and whatever show they're from, I do. That's my favorite show.

1:33:31 Drew No, no, this was the most excited I've ever seen you.

1:33:33 Adam Excited. Great show. It's a great show. And it, boy, I'll tell you.

1:33:38 Drew Except The Family Guy.

1:33:39 Adam I love The Family Guy, but that's a comedy. This is life, baby. This is not animation. This is real life. And, and it's just...

1:33:47 Drew A little acclamation here.

1:33:48 Adam A little acclamation worked in with Sliceface. And the rest is, and it's just getting more exciting. It really is. It's now, it's now, it's now on. So check it out. And when the time comes to do some voting, vote for our good friend Ishe and get him in and get him a little cash for him and his kitties and get him in on the undercard of the big night. Cause everyone wants to see Ishe fight again. Two great fights so far. Nice to meet you Ishe.

1:34:15 Ishe Smith It was a pleasure coming in.

1:34:17 Adam We'll take a little break and until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying Mahala.

1:34:24 Caller This has been Loveline.

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1:34:35 Caller The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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