Episode 1000683560583

0:57 Voiceover Loveline is meant for an adult audience. Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Listener discretion is advised. This is Loveline. With Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.

1:21 Voiceover Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Dr. Drew. Adam Carolla is once again having technical problems. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. And tonight we welcome into the studio a dear, dear, dear, dear friend of the show, Debbie Gibson.

1:33 Debbie Gibson Thank you.

1:33 Drew Debbie, how are you?

1:34 Debbie Gibson Good to be back. It's been a few years.

1:35 Drew It has been a while. Last time we saw you, I think we went and visited you at the set of Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamco.

1:42 Debbie Gibson Yes, you came to see my show. We dragged Adam kicking and screaming to his very first musical.

1:47 Drew Yes.

1:47 Debbie Gibson I think he liked it despite himself.

1:48 Drew Did he behave himself?

1:50 Debbie Gibson I think he I don't think he did anything to embarrass me.

1:52 Drew He didn't stand up and build a performance.

1:53 Debbie Gibson Yo, Debbie, electric youth rules. He didn't do anything like that.

1:58 Drew Now, you've graduated from the teen idol image to some more sophisticated. Yeah, Adam, what's happening, dude?

2:06 Adam Oh, I was on the whole time.

2:08 Drew That's nice.

2:09 Debbie Gibson Great.

2:11 Debbie Gibson Hi, Debbie.

2:11 Debbie Gibson Hey, Adam, how are you?

2:13 Debbie Gibson Oh, you know, flustered.

2:15 Adam Let me just catch everyone up on what's going on.

2:18 Debbie Gibson OK, I'll be very quick.

2:20 Debbie Gibson I'm on my cell phone. I'm in North. I'm in North Carolina. Now, the reason I'm not on the phone that's in my hotel room is because that was disconnected so they could hook up the ISDN line, which worked flawlessly a few hours ago.

2:39 Debbie Gibson Oh, until housekeeping came in. Yeah, sorry.

2:43 Drew Nothing happened at this end.

2:46 Debbie Gibson Nothing happened on my end, but nothing happened on your end.

2:50 Debbie Gibson And now Ron, the engineer, is feverishly racing down to Westwood 1.

2:57 Debbie Gibson So hopefully we can have this sorted out in the next few minutes.

3:02 Drew Great. And you've moved from Tampa to Charlotte?

3:07 Debbie Gibson I'm in Charlotte. It's wonderful and lonely.

3:12 Drew Any more NASCAR fans you've run into?

3:16 Debbie Gibson No, thankfully I've not run into any more NASCAR fans.

3:21 Debbie Gibson Well, I haven't run into anybody. The town is empty. I think they're fumigating or something.

3:29 Drew Well, listen, you've got to... Unfortunately, you're not here to look at this playboy that Debbie's in. Amazing.

3:33 Debbie Gibson Well, the good news is I scanned it before I left.

3:39 Debbie Gibson Woo-hoo!

3:41 Debbie Gibson And got a nice cranial and retina full of it. So I actually brought it with me on the plane. I mean, not the actual playboy, but the memory of Debbie Nankin in it.

3:57 Drew There's a couple stages of translation of that statement.

4:00 Debbie Gibson Oh, God.

4:00 Drew It was used. The memory was used. Is that what you're saying?

4:05 Debbie Gibson It has been. It has been soiled. And yet, yet it's not done being punished.

4:13 Debbie Gibson Way too much information.

4:14 Drew Now you have a new CD or a new single.

4:16 Debbie Gibson New single.

4:17 Drew Naked.

4:18 Debbie Gibson What a coinkydink!

4:19 Drew Strangely enough.

4:20 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I actually had been writing the song before the call from Playboy came in. And Playboy had been approaching me over the years from the time I was like 17, jail-baked. And I was writing this song and it's very much about just kind of being who you are with no apologies and putting it out there no matter what kind of no matter what the consequences and no matter what the reward in a way. And it's really about that in the context of a relationship but it could be about anything. And for me lately that's kind of been a metaphor for my life. I feel like I've I reached some kind of point in my 30s where I just suddenly really didn't care what people thought anymore which is such a great freeing feeling and I know so many women who do playboy use the words freeing and empowering but it really is because it's not about just about the nudity it's about kind of breaking your own rules and saying you know what I know I said I would never do this but if you say you're never going to do something 15 years ago does that mean you have to stick with it if you actually change your mind.

5:17 Drew It's also not like you're a 19 year old junior.

5:19 Debbie Gibson Well that's the thing I waited till I was 34 I feel like you know I don't have any 10 year old fans anymore.

5:24 Drew But at 34 it's triumphant to be able to still compete in that arena right.

5:29 Debbie Gibson Well thank you.

5:29 Drew You know what I mean.

5:31 Debbie Gibson I feel better than ever so yeah.

5:32 Drew And you're not a kid who doesn't quite understand what she's getting into or what the implications are going to be or a life ahead of you what are you going to tell your kids kind of thing.

5:40 Debbie Gibson No it seemed like a perfect time for all those reasons and also for that reason too is that I'm not married I don't have kids of my own at this point it just seemed like this perfect window in my life to do it so I'm sorry but no go ahead did you go into like training like you know I mean if you knew how far in advance did you know do you know I only knew three and a half weeks before the shoot no way yeah so it you know I was already doing spinning and Pilates and all of my normal stuff that I do but you know I'm a girl like I go up five pounds or down five pounds and I made it my mission to train and to look good but I wasn't like obsessed with creating a whole other human being I was kind of like I want to take what I have and refine it and and I went to Gunnar Peterson who trains every diva in this town and so you know he knows how to sculpt a body pretty quickly and he said look you've got a good foundation because you've clearly been active your whole life and but I also love the fact that I I have probably 15 pounds on all the TV girls here in LA you know I mean I'm not like a waif thin person and I don't have any fake body parts and I thought that was a cool I don't know I felt really good about showing that and I've had women come up to me and say that they're like we're glad you have like a you kind of represent a normal woman's body I have men tell me that all the time. Really? That you represent a normal woman's body?

7:01 Drew No, no man's body.

7:03 Debbie Gibson But hairy.

7:05 Drew At least I'm from the waist up. It's a little too hairy in the bottom to be normal.

7:08 Debbie Gibson We'll alert Playgirl, Adam.

7:10 Debbie Gibson Yeah, please.

7:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

7:11 Debbie Gibson Listen, I've sent my Z card into them more than I can count.

7:18 Adam How does it work?

7:20 Debbie Gibson I mean, how often would Playboy contact you? I imagine at the beginning of your career, you would get a phone call every other day, right?

7:29 Debbie Gibson This was like the fourth or fifth time. The last time they approached me was about five years ago when I was doing the musical Gypsy, playing a burlesque queen. At that time, I said, I was kind of intrigued by it at that point. I said, I'd be interested in thinking about it if I could choose a photographer and really do it the right way because there are obviously different levels that people do Playboy on. I said, if I could do kind of almost a takeoff on my theater roles and like kind of something a little more highly stylized and theatrical, I'd be into talking about it. They were kind of like, no, we wanted to use our staff photographer on this shoot. They had a specific thing in mind and it didn't fit what I wanted to do. So I said no. And then they came to me. Here we are about five years later. Wow. Yeah. I think like a couple of the people from Playboy saw me at an event or something and said...

8:15 Debbie Gibson But this can't really hurt your career anymore.

8:19 Debbie Gibson I mean, anyone's career really, can it? I mean, in the past...

8:22 Debbie Gibson I don't think so.

8:24 Debbie Gibson I think people worried in the past about it damaging their career.

8:28 Debbie Gibson You know, I've given up on worrying about that anyway, because, you know, I remember like when I was having hit records and I was going into theater, the record exec said, don't do theater, it'll kill your pop career. And then, you know, you go do something and they go, don't do that, it'll kill your theater career. And you could live your life like that. And the truth is, nobody knows what's going to happen. So I just gave up on worrying about the results. And I said, I'm just going to do what I want to do.

8:49 Drew Adam, with Playboy, the stakes are up, have been ratcheted up so high now in terms of the things that people could get involved with, that Playboy is like doing time life now.

9:00 Debbie Gibson It's so like the iconic, classic, you know, yeah.

9:02 Drew But I mean, compared to what might, you know, the stuff, the equivalent of Playboy 20 years ago today is like stripping or something.

9:08 Debbie Gibson You know, I find, like, and I find some of the Maxims and FHMs and those magazines, actually even though the girls aren't showing everything, I find them to be raunchier. I think the quality of the photographs is different and they're...

9:18 Drew They're certainly not artistic.

9:19 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Yeah.

9:20 Debbie Gibson Well, they're definitely like, you know, a straddling beer kegs and stuff.

9:25 Debbie Gibson Exactly.

9:27 Debbie Gibson Although, there is a centerfold. I keep accidentally opening up to the centerfold of this issue, though, with the girl with the showerhead.

9:34 Drew This one? I have to see that.

9:35 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Oh, there it is. You just always naturally open to that one.

9:39 Drew I didn't notice that's what she was doing.

9:40 Debbie Gibson I had a guy, I had, like, an airline employee approach me on the jetway yesterday to sign this, and we, of course, accidentally opened to that one, like, as children are passing by.

9:48 Drew Is this what they call a Brazilian wax? Is that what that is?

9:50 Debbie Gibson I think that's a... Is that a landing strip, I think?

9:53 Drew We were having a discussion about that last night.

9:54 Debbie Gibson I never learned so much about that till I had to do this. And the woman who, like, works at a lot of the celebrities that end up doing shoots said, you know what? She goes, every celebrity girl that comes to me says the same thing. They're like, I don't know anything about this stuff. I'm not so into that, you know, the whole thing.

10:10 Drew We discovered last night that the people that do that have got to recently immigrated to this country and not speak English terribly well. They have to be sort of non-people.

10:18 Debbie Gibson What do you mean, the people that do the actual waxing?

10:20 Drew The waxing, yes.

10:22 Debbie Gibson Oh no, this woman is like this woman has been doing it for years on everybody. I think it's just so the funniest profession.

10:27 Drew She doesn't have a heavy accent.

10:29 Debbie Gibson No, but she is abroad, you know what I mean? She does have that kind of like, you know, she has to be kind of aggressive, not big hair, but no, she's got like a she's tough. I mean, how could you do that for a living and not kind of be a little, you know, rough and tumbled? That's a good way of putting it, rough and tumbled.

10:47 Debbie Gibson Somebody has to outfit her those, you know, glasses that have the camera in it.

10:54 Debbie Gibson Okay, ew, okay, ew.

10:56 Debbie Gibson I'm just saying, can you imagine all the clientele she's seen?

11:00 Debbie Gibson Oh, God, I know, believe me, I'm not going to say who, but I know who goes in and out of that office. And it's like amazing if the paparazzi got wind of that place, forget it.

11:08 Debbie Gibson You know, it'd be funny, it'd be funny just to get some guide pictures up there, like at the actual office, like Jim Belushi, you know.

11:17 Debbie Gibson No, I think some guys go there too.

11:19 Drew No, really?

11:20 Debbie Gibson Yes, guys get like grooming and whatever they get. Yeah, apparently so.

11:24 Drew Are their pictures up?

11:25 Debbie Gibson No, they don't have pictures of anybody up.

11:27 Drew Oh, my God.

11:28 Debbie Gibson It's a little more discreet than that.

11:29 Drew I think the people are too nutty.

11:31 Debbie Gibson But that was the thing too about this is that I didn't want to show everything and they didn't make, they basically were like, you're not our model. You know, we want you to do what you want to do. They said, you know, Sharon Stone will come up to us now, 20 years after doing it and say, I'm still so proud that I did it. And that's what we want from all our celebrities. And so they were very, very cool. They really let me create the whole vibe of the shoot, which I was happy about.

11:52 Debbie Gibson Do you, now, do you get final approval on the pictures?

11:57 Debbie Gibson Basically, they shot about 1500 pictures over the course of three days. And I narrowed them down to 150. And then they picked the final, like nine or 10 that they used.

12:06 Adam Wow.

12:06 Debbie Gibson Now are some of them like, well, this shows too much.

12:09 Adam So, I'm gonna take this one out of the mix.

12:12 Debbie Gibson Yeah. You know what? I said that since the wording in the contract was such that I wasn't required to do anything in particular, I said, well, I'll go for it and feel free to do whatever I feel like in the shoot. And then I'll see. And I just don't find the full frontal nudity attractive. I think that I like the more classic Playboy pictures. And so that's what I went with at the end of the day. A little like almost- Yeah.

12:35 Adam Natural redhead.

12:40 Debbie Gibson I don't want to let people, you know, sitting at home listening, thinking about buying this and not to go out and buy it.

12:46 Debbie Gibson You could see quite a bit.

12:48 Debbie Gibson OK, whatever. Yeah, but I'm not, you know, no. Well, you can see there's like that, that like center.

12:53 Drew So you're trying to sell the magazine for it.

12:54 Debbie Gibson OK, I sell the magazine.

12:55 Drew Yeah.

12:55 Debbie Gibson No, no, no. But, but seriously, like, I saw some people's pictorials where they're like literally like doing a backbend over a rock with everything like, you know, I mean, and it's like, you know, it's like, it's, I don't want it to look like we're in a gynecologist's office. I still want it to look like a photo shoot.

13:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

13:11 Drew See, Adam, if a gynecologist has the same impulses as your dentists say, imagine what that would be like.

13:17 Debbie Gibson Hateful yet provocative, I think we can call it.

13:22 Debbie Gibson So, and so what now? Another CD, more musical theater?

13:28 Debbie Gibson Yeah, basically.

13:29 Drew You're going to be out promoting the CD, right?

13:30 Debbie Gibson I'll be out promoting the CD. And basically, I ended up recording this on my own because we had a label that shall remain nameless and basically the head of the label. This was one of the interesting things too about the psychology of doing Playboy. The head of the label who had a gazillion dollars and the jets and was putting all the money behind the single turned out to be so chauvinistic and condescending and like it literally was making me feel physically ill. And I kept going, this is amazing that nobody at Playboy made me feel this way, but a record executive made me feel this way.

14:00 Drew Interesting.

14:01 Debbie Gibson So that deal imploded right before the first of the year. And then I ended up taking money out of my own pocket, recording it on my own, getting it distributed on my own. So it's a little bit of like that's always an uphill battle way of doing it. But I decided that well, what I decided again, what I was talking about with the result was I'm just going to put it out there and say, look, this is so that people can see what I'm up to musically. I'm not putting the marketing dollars behind it. That guarantee that it's going to be a top ten single.

14:24 Drew I was watching American Isle tonight. I thought you should be the celebrity judge.

14:27 Debbie Gibson You know, they were at one point talking to me. It would be great. Like, Paul was possibly not going to renew. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I did the American Juniors thing with them.

14:40 Drew Adam?

14:41 Debbie Gibson I think anything to do with that American Juniors show, they don't want to be reminded of, so they're not having me back.

14:49 Drew Are you on Zephyr and phone?

14:51 Debbie Gibson No. Can you hear me this way?

14:53 Drew There we go.

14:55 Debbie Gibson That's nice.

14:56 Debbie Gibson Oh, really? Let me try this.

14:57 Drew Yeah, you're on Zephyr.

14:58 Debbie Gibson It's good. All right, let me hang up this thing.

15:00 Drew Can you hear me? Are you hanging up, Adam? You have to make a big flourish out of it so we hear you hanging up. Yeah, yeah.

15:09 Debbie Gibson You hear us? Oh, very nice.

15:11 Debbie Gibson Oh, that works.

15:12 Drew Yeah, yeah.

15:12 Debbie Gibson Wow. Wow.

15:13 Drew It's good, too, huh?

15:14 Debbie Gibson Sounds good.

15:15 Debbie Gibson Yeah, you know what's funny about my horrible personality and work ethic?

15:22 Adam What's good about it?

15:23 Debbie Gibson Well, no, what's bad about it really is-

15:26 Drew What's unique about it?

15:27 Debbie Gibson What's unique about it and the same thing happened to me. I'm in Charlotte shooting some stupid commercial, and at one point, they were having camera problems. It's the same with any technical difficulty, which is my first impulses-

15:41 Drew We're done.

15:42 Debbie Gibson Let's get, Drew, your first impulse is always a thousand percent wrong.

15:47 Is it not? Go ahead. Yes, it is.

15:48 Debbie Gibson Shut your pie hole. Let me finish my first impulse. My first impulse is like, fix the camera. Let's get going. Let's hurry up. This is a delay. But then the second one is, don't fix the camera. Let's go home.

16:01 Debbie Gibson Let's go home.

16:02 Debbie Gibson Right. In which case, they always fix the camera. As soon as I shift to, let's go home. And it's the same thing with this. My thing is like, the Zephyr doesn't work. We got to get the Zephyr working. And then the next impulse is, wait a minute, I'm going to get drunk and go to bed.

16:17 Drew Wait a minute. I've never actually seen you do the, let's fix it thing. I've never seen that. So I only, I only hear the second impulse. I do hear you yelling at people about the fix it thing. Like, why didn't you? Why did this happen? Let's go home.

16:29 Debbie Gibson Well, yeah. Well, no, you have to pretend like you want them to fix it.

16:32 Drew There you go. That sounds more like you.

16:34 Debbie Gibson I'm kind of with you though. I just moved into a new house and I don't have my phones hooked up yet. And so I've got to do a radio tour for my house tomorrow on my cell phone, which is really risky. And I'm with you because on one hand, I'm like, oh, my God, let's pray it works. Let's pray it works. Yeah. And then I'm like, but if it doesn't, that's an hour and a half of talking at six in the morning. I can avoid.

16:55 Debbie Gibson No, I think I think everyone everyone has that sort of it's the snow day thing you have as a kid.

17:02 Debbie Gibson Yeah. We didn't have a snow day. We had a snow day once on the day of a talent contest that I was really looking forward to.

17:08 Debbie Gibson Oh, well, we would we would just have earthquake days and four stage smog alert days.

17:13 Debbie Gibson But but you know that feeling thing. Yeah.

17:16 Debbie Gibson It's like just there's an earthquake. Oh, my God. And then the second impulse is, wait a minute. I may not have to do something.

17:23 Debbie Gibson This is awesome. Yeah.

17:25 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

17:25 Drew Yeah.

17:26 Debbie Gibson Drew, you know, do you have are you that way?

17:28 Debbie Gibson Do you have that?

17:29 Drew No, you don't really do it. Not not even a shred. I'm sorry.

17:34 Debbie Gibson When you were at school and I don't know, earthquake or would rain for a week and they were talking about shutting the school down. You weren't delighted.

17:45 Drew Here's what here's I have a different kind of thing that goes on because I had a school and then graduate school and training and stuff where nothing stopped it. So it just meant more hassle. I'm expected to be there. How the hell am I going to get there?

17:59 Debbie Gibson No, no, no.

17:59 Drew You see what I'm saying? It never stopped. There was never there was no such thing as a nuclear holocaust didn't stop the damn thing.

18:06 Debbie Gibson You're not listening to me, Drew. They call it off. It's not about your car not starting. Obviously, I'm not excited when something like that happens. I'm saying something breaks, something forces a stop.

18:19 Debbie Gibson He's saying it just never happened in his world.

18:21 Debbie Gibson It just stops. You know what I'm saying?

18:24 Drew Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

18:25 Debbie Gibson Well, I know. Forget about school. You're out doing some sort of annoying shoot or something. And there's a problem with the equipment. And somebody says, I don't know if I can fix this. And you really want to go home.

18:36 Drew No. You know why? Because it just means, all right, now, now I'm behind. Right. Now I'm behind. Now I got another. Where am I going to put that now? I got another day ahead that's already booked up with stuff I got to do. And I got to add this.

18:46 Debbie Gibson Well, Adam, you might get your wish because you've just called this commercial. You're doing stupid like eight times. They're going to fire you as a spokesperson anyway. Good.

18:56 Drew I think it's day off that way. We're tired.

18:58 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

18:59 Drew You want to take some calls? All right. We don't have to.

19:03 Debbie Gibson Well, what time is it?

19:03 Debbie Gibson Maybe the fall lines aren't working and we don't have to, Adam.

19:06 Drew It's 10-17.

19:08 Debbie Gibson Yeah. All right.

19:09 Debbie Gibson Let's take a call.

19:10 Drew All right. Let's do that. Let's talk to Nicole who's 20. Hello? Hey there.

19:17 Debbie Gibson Hi. This is Nicole. My question for Dr. Drew is I want to know your professional opinion about female egg donation.

19:27 Drew Adam, donation.

19:29 Debbie Gibson Oh, yes. Yeah. It's the only thing you donate for 10 grand. Think about it. When you donate your car or you donate your television or you donate some blood, do you get between five and 10 grand for it?

19:43 Drew The point I was making is you're selling your eggs.

19:45 Debbie Gibson Yeah. They call it donation. So you can sleep at night, but you're selling eggs.

19:51 Drew That's in fact one of the things that people take issue with with this whole phenomenon was that we're creating a market in human products.

19:58 Debbie Gibson But it's got to be such an emotional leap for a woman that it's some kind of compensation.

20:05 Drew Women, they need money for various. I'd rather do this than go stripping. And the fact is though, I'm sorry, Adam. I'm sorry. I know I offended you with that one. I draw the line there. I know. But we hear this business which is actually nonsense. Well, she had to go stripping. She had to get her way through college. It's like, no, that's nonsense. They were stripping because they were trauma survivors.

20:24 Debbie Gibson Can you not bash stripping and just talk about egg donation?

20:27 Drew All right, so the egg donation thing, it's hyper stimulation of the ovaries. It's a surgery to retrieve the eggs. It's fairly safe. We don't know any long-term consequences. There are concerns about obviously the surgery and about the possibility of maybe putting women at a risk for ovarian cancer. And we don't know the effects, full effects on fertility and what age you might achieve, menopause. There are things that can happen. You're messing with your biology to do this. But it looks fairly safe based on what we understand today. And as Debbie is saying, the issue of having somebody out there with your genetic makeup.

21:01 Debbie Gibson That's what I was going to say. Do they do studies on kind of what happens to people that, you know, I mean, yeah, do these women, is it almost like being like a surrogate or, you know, like putting a child up for adoption? Do you kind of wonder where your child is and try to trace who got your egg?

21:16 Drew You wonder. I don't know any data that's followed that. I don't think it's that big a deal. I never hear much about it. But you wonder if that could have an impact on people.

21:22 Debbie Gibson I feel like I would be walking down the street thinking, oh, my God, there's Debbie.

21:26 Drew There's Debbie.

21:26 Debbie Gibson It looks like me.

21:27 Debbie Gibson Well, you know what?

21:28 Debbie Gibson And they just wrote a cheesy pop song. It must be my must be my egg.

21:31 Debbie Gibson I feel I every time I see a guy with a mono brow, I think, wait a minute, I may have left some sperm somewhere. But no, here's here's an interesting point. And I call it interesting because it's going to come out of my mouth. So it's convenient.

21:46 Drew It's always.

21:46 Debbie Gibson But you know how guys don't seem to have the connection when they get they get a woman pregnant, and it's their child, but yet it was only their seed and they move on.

21:57 Drew Right.

21:57 Debbie Gibson And the and the mother sort of bound because of the nine month gestation period.

22:02 Drew Yes.

22:03 Debbie Gibson Maybe this is almost the equivalent for the woman. It's just her seed.

22:08 Drew Except I think women, in addition to the sort of biological commitment of pregnancy, have a natural instinct to take care of whatever their genetic material, wherever it goes.

22:21 Debbie Gibson I agree. But you know, it would be interesting that if it was the other way around, if you know, just the woman provided the seed and then went back to work and guys carried, you know, felt the little thing kicking inside of them for nine months, like the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Yeah. That was based on a true story, too.

22:39 Of course.

22:40 Debbie Gibson I bet a lot of guys would turn the corner and I bet a lot of women would go back to work.

22:45 Drew Could be. Could be.

22:46 Debbie Gibson Yeah. So maybe this is sort of an interesting sociological experiment because I bet these women don't carry around the baggage that a woman who gave their child up for adoption carries around.

22:59 Drew And you could even argue that some of that is not just the carrying around part but the biology of being attached to somebody for a long period of time.

23:07 Debbie Gibson And the hormonal changes that go on during pregnancy.

23:11 Drew So there you go Nicole.

23:13 Debbie Gibson Well and I also wanted to know, because you guys brought up a lot of interesting points, do you know at all by doing this if it stimulates any desire to be nurturing or mothering or anything like that?

23:24 Drew We don't know. That's what we're speculating about here. We don't know. I've not heard complaints about that. We certainly hear complaints about the adoption issue but we've not heard people complain about this.

23:32 Debbie Gibson Well I don't think she means toward the child. I think she just means when the eggs are stimulated.

23:40 Debbie Gibson They give you or anything like that.

23:41 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

23:42 Drew No, it's that kind of the opposite because they sort of put you into a menopause state and then they hyper stimulate the ovary that way.

23:48 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

23:50 Debbie Gibson Hey, but Nicole, what do you, how tall are you? These things are worth.

23:56 Debbie Gibson Sounds a little young to me to be 20. Yeah.

23:59 Drew It's sort of the age though.

24:00 Debbie Gibson Really?

24:01 Debbie Gibson Five, six.

24:02 Drew Five, six. Here we go.

24:03 Debbie Gibson College education.

24:05 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

24:05 Debbie Gibson I'm working on it right now. I'm 20. So I've only been college for two years. Yeah.

24:10 Debbie Gibson Junior college.

24:12 Debbie Gibson Community college.

24:14 Debbie Gibson Junior college. Junior college. Yeah.

24:15 Debbie Gibson Junior college. It sounds better.

24:18 Debbie Gibson We're going to deduct not only $2,000 for the junior college, but another 500 penalty for trying to be evasive. Calling it community college when in fact it's junior college.

24:31 Debbie Gibson That's an expensive lesson.

24:33 Drew Keep going, Adam.

24:34 Debbie Gibson So what color are your eyes?

24:37 Debbie Gibson I have green eyes.

24:38 Debbie Gibson Oh.

24:39 Drew Add 300.

24:42 Debbie Gibson I've been trying to learn the world like Catherine Zeta-Jones from many, many people.

24:46 Debbie Gibson Really?

24:47 Debbie Gibson Yeah. I take that as a wonderful compliment. I think she's a beautiful woman. And personally, I see it in my eyes and in my lips, but I don't know. I really appreciate it. I've heard it a lot.

24:58 Debbie Gibson All right. Well, okay. Here's the thing. If you're attractive and you're like tall and you're smart, on two out of three ain't bad, you get to charge more for your egg.

25:09 Debbie Gibson That's what I've heard. Yeah. I've heard you can charge up to like $10,000.

25:12 Debbie Gibson Wow.

25:13 Debbie Gibson That's right.

25:13 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Yeah.

25:15 Debbie Gibson All right.

25:15 Debbie Gibson I saw that. Why do they always put those ads in the movie theater? They put them on movie theater screens.

25:18 Drew Really?

25:19 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

25:19 Debbie Gibson You've seen that on a movie theater screen?

25:21 Debbie Gibson Yes, I sure have.

25:22 Debbie Gibson Wow.

25:23 Debbie Gibson In New York. In New York. That sounds like a New York thing. If you want to donate eggs, call 1-800- Eggs. Egg donor.

25:29 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

25:30 Drew Scramble.

25:31 Debbie Gibson Scramble.

25:32 Debbie Gibson I don't even remember exactly where I heard. I watch a lot of Discovery Channel and Science Channel. I think I saw it somewhere on there and it sparked my interest. I just looked at it online and I was like, oh, that's such a bad idea.

25:41 Debbie Gibson All right.

25:42 Debbie Gibson All right.

25:42 Drew There we go.

25:42 Debbie Gibson Honor, please.

25:43 Drew Yes. I got it.

25:44 Debbie Gibson But no, watching a lot of Discovery Channel, now that kicks you up about 175.

25:50 Debbie Gibson That's right.

25:50 Drew Even with the community college penalties there.

25:52 Debbie Gibson You're right.

25:53 Debbie Gibson Yeah, because my whole thing is like, I'd be like, what music do you listen to? What TV shows do you watch? If you're a big Mark Anthony fan, that's a deduction.

26:03 Debbie Gibson I was just about to add.

26:05 Drew Big deduction.

26:06 Debbie Gibson That's a huge deduction.

26:09 Debbie Gibson You wouldn't want mine because I like Mark Anthony and I'm 34. So you don't want those little eggs.

26:14 Debbie Gibson So high. You know, you know what? I would be great because I would grind these women down to the point where they were paying us to give me a. I would be the guy who went in there and just broke them down to the point where I made them damage their self esteem so badly that they actually just dropped off an egg and left.

26:33 Drew Nice.

26:34 Debbie Gibson Yeah, that'd be my job, Drew. All right, Drew, send us to break.

26:38 Drew Let's do that. It's Love Line. Adam is out in Charlotte, North Carolina. We're here with Debbie Gibson and we'll be right back.

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27:14 Drew Hey, it's Loveline, Dr. Drew here, Adam and Charlotte, North Carolina, Debbie Gibson in studio. And I've just taken a little walk down memory lane and looking at the old photograph album of Loveline of Days of Your. And there's Debbie in there like five times.

27:27 Debbie Gibson I look older then than I do now. It's weird. I went through some saves.

27:30 Drew Are you complaining about that?

27:32 Debbie Gibson No, it's great now, but I look back then, I think I was just like...

27:35 Drew You're mature.

27:36 Debbie Gibson I don't know. I went through some really weird transition. And I think of the kids now, kids, this is when I sound old, that are out there performing at 18, 19, 20, 21. And they have their image together and their look, and they seem comfortable with their bodies. I'm in there with like...

27:49 Drew Debbie, that's all drugs.

27:50 Debbie Gibson And in between hair color, like a big plaid oversized shirt on, I'm like, what was I thinking? No makeup, I didn't care. You know, it just wasn't my selling point at the time.

28:01 Debbie Gibson Debbie, how old were you when you got started?

28:04 Debbie Gibson 16.

28:05 Debbie Gibson And you mean that's when you released your first album, or that's when you started hitting the malls?

28:12 Debbie Gibson The malls was Tiffany Adam.

28:14 Debbie Gibson Well, no, I meant shopping with all your new money.

28:17 Debbie Gibson Yeah, yeah.

28:18 Drew New money.

28:19 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I didn't really shop in the malls with the new money.

28:21 Drew So, you're more used to tour with you, didn't you?

28:23 Debbie Gibson Well, when I was a teenager, yeah.

28:24 Drew But she was really a part of your life.

28:26 Debbie Gibson Well, she's still my manager. Yeah, we've gone through interesting transitions, because in the beginning, it was very much about protection, you know, protecting.

28:32 Drew Oh, you're 16, yeah.

28:33 Debbie Gibson 16, which I don't think there's enough of right now, because you hear some scary things coming out of teenagers' mouths in the industry. And then we kind of went through our normal mother-daughter like split, but yet she was still managing me. And then we kind of almost transitioned into like her being the boss, and then we went into like me really being the boss. And so it's interesting. Now we're really like business partners, and we're friends, and we're mother-daughter.

28:57 Drew Are you single now?

28:59 Debbie Gibson I am.

29:01 Debbie Gibson How was mom with Playboy?

29:03 Debbie Gibson She was totally cool.

29:04 Drew She has nobody yet, Adam.

29:05 Debbie Gibson Yeah, she caught the deal. She was totally cool. I mean, she's very much all about, look, if you're comfortable, I'm comfortable, and I'll make it happen for you. And if there's like a shred of me not being comfortable with something, she'll go, don't do it. Because she's, her whole MO has always been, look, you know, like she always said to the record company execs, I know that you guys might want to use her up and throw her out, but I'd like a whole human being at the end of this whole process. So we're going to pace it out a little more and work on that. So it's very cool. But yeah, 16 was when I signed my first, I signed my record deal and released my first single. And actually I started performing in the clubs. I did three shows a night, four nights a week for a year until that single got off the ground. Which amazes me too. Yeah. Because now you see people with reality TV shows, they enter at number one. Only in my dreams took 65 weeks to get to number one. 65 weeks of like literally pounding the pavement. Like going to these clubs.

30:01 Debbie Gibson And like what kind of clubs were they?

30:03 Debbie Gibson Oh my God. I would do a teen club, a straight club and a gay club. And all over the country, all in one night. And I would do that three nights a week. I would get in the car, change. My sister, my older sister did Sound and Lights. I had two young gay backup dancers from Long Island. And my mom, we were like the Von Trapp family. Wow. But doing clubs, it was the funniest. I'm like, where was reality television back then? Because that stuff was funny. I mean, she was like collecting money in the basement of these clubs from the Mafia men and from the drag queens and from what they would all try to say. No, no, we'll pay her later. Nope. She would have to stand there and go. She's not stepping foot on that stage before I get the money up front. And it was a it was a trip. But I mean, I played clubs here in East LA. I played a club that closed down the following week because of the violence. Like I played it like right before it closed down. I mean, I was escorted in by armed men and all this crazy stuff. I mean, it was it was interesting.

30:57 Debbie Gibson You know that before the riots, was it you talking about the riots?

31:01 Debbie Gibson No, I'm not talking about the riots. I'm talking about just clubs that had a lot of violence.

31:05 Drew And you know, yeah, the good old days in East LA.

31:07 Debbie Gibson Oh, my God. We're talking 86, 87. And yeah, I forgot what I was going to say. I was going to say something else.

31:14 Drew But how about some calls?

31:16 Debbie Gibson All right.

31:16 Debbie Gibson Yeah, all right.

31:17 Drew Let's do it. This is Joe, 29.

31:19 Adam Hi. I had a question that I was hoping you guys could answer without being made fun of too much. I was with a little bit of an older gal and we started having, you know, normal sex at first. And she was cheating on her husband. I was cheating on my girlfriend at the time.

31:35 Drew That's completely normal. I mean, that's how we saw every relationship start. That's normal. Yeah. Okay.

31:39 Debbie Gibson Drew, you're making fun.

31:41 Adam Well, we got together as a couple and we started having, you know, kinkier and kinkier sex. I mean, no golem showers, no scatter, blood or amputation are, you know, insane.

31:52 Drew But that's where you drew the line. I understand.

31:55 Adam Well, I mean, I think it was unhealthy, but I mean, we did, you know, a lot of toys, some SNM, some biting, a lot of vegetables, just anything you can think of really. Well, and I'm wondering, am I ever going to be able to go back and look at a girl and be with her again, a new girl, and just have missionary sex and be satisfied?

32:19 Drew I've got some thoughts, Adam, why don't you start?

32:22 Debbie Gibson Well, who pushed the whole agenda? Because, you know, if you were participating in it...

32:28 Adam She was mostly her, but I mean, I didn't lag very far behind in the curve at all.

32:34 Drew But let me just use my magic powers for a second. You guys were also drug buddies or drinking buddies or something, right?

32:41 Adam Well, you know, your magic powers have turned out right, sir.

32:44 Drew Yeah. And this is... Yeah, I know. I know what this is. On your insight. Yeah, this is addiction. This is all part of the addictive process. And the problem is when you get your arousal system all beaked up like that, it is hard to go back to regular sex. You always want those higher levels of arousal to sort of get that extra high, just the way you deal with the drugs and the alcohol. And this is all part of your addiction. So just to stay focused on your question, the only way you're going to go back to regular intimate relations is if you get into some form of recovery.

33:13 Adam Well, we're off the dope for years now. I've been probably two years since I've done it. She says it's been a year for her.

33:19 Drew You know, but you're still drinking and there's still stuff going on here. You're not in recovery. And you're going to need to really focus on a full program of recovery, if that's what you want to do. It's up to you.

33:28 Debbie Gibson Well, are you still, hold on, are you still with this same woman?

33:32 Adam Yes, I am.

33:33 Debbie Gibson Oh, okay.

33:35 Adam I mean, that's not just like, you know, just running my mouth, but we're off the drugs.

33:41 Drew Why are you worried about going back, then, to some other more normal, if you guys are having your fun at the level you're having it?

33:46 Adam Well, it's not as much fun now.

33:49 Drew Right.

33:49 Adam I mean, it's still there, but, you know, the crazy sex and everything has left me, you know, kind of laissez-faire attitude toward the usual deal.

34:00 Debbie Gibson No, I put Joe on hold. Let me talk about Joe for a second.

34:03 Drew Well, you and I will join in. Yeah, go ahead.

34:04 Debbie Gibson Well, Joe's one of these guys that has a ramp. You know what I'm saying?

34:09 Drew He's using his ramp right now. That's for sure.

34:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah, yeah. He's a talker. And, you know, yeah, you're right. And you're right on. He's off the dope or whatever he was on. But he's drinking plenty. And he's probably chipping away at whatever else he was doing. And his whole ramp is, hey, it's been two years since I've done any heroin or done any speed. But not exactly. You've been getting drunk quite a bit. Probably chain smoking, probably drinking a pot of coffee every day. And also probably chipping away a little bit here and there with the speed or the heroin or whatever the hell you're into before. So what you're basically telling them to do is drop the ramp and clean up completely. And this thing's going to reorganize itself.

34:55 Drew Because the thing with the addiction in general is that the sexual behaviors get wrapped into it and they need to be escalated as well. So now even though they're using the toys and this or that, it's still all flat for them. So he's got to even up the ante and what they'll usually start doing is sort of dangerous things or bringing other people in or prostitution, all that kind of good stuff. So it really sort of, he's on hold, he's on hold.

35:19 Debbie Gibson Put him back on. I want to see if we can get through to him.

35:24 Adam Yes?

35:25 Debbie Gibson Is this, is this true what we've been saying?

35:28 Adam You are somewhat close to it, yes. I haven't, and it wasn't like Speed or Heroin. I mean, it was just whatever anybody had, I would, and I don't do any of those anymore. Sometimes I smoke a little pot and I do drink. I'm drinking right now.

35:44 Drew Yeah, no kidding.

35:45 Debbie Gibson Shocking.

35:46 Debbie Gibson Shocking.

35:48 Debbie Gibson Joe really knows how to drive home a point. All right.

35:52 Drew So we got your number.

35:55 Debbie Gibson Yeah, our point is, is, you know, I'm not one of these 12 step guys, but they tell you, you have to sort of relinquish control and you don't seem like you want to do that.

36:07 Drew Yeah, you don't have to, it's up to you. It's really, it's, I'm not, I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm saying if you want to change, if you want to change.

36:13 Debbie Gibson What you're saying is it's basically though, it's just going to keep getting more and more destructive. He's going to keep, he's just on a path of upping hands.

36:18 Drew It's a progressive process, right? People have a grave misconception about what it is when people get drug and alcohol problems. It's not about the drugs and the alcohol. It's about the brain systems being disordered and all the behaviors that ensue. That whole process, the spiritual, emotional, and biological, physical aspects of the disease, it all has to be dealt with. Not doing the drugs is one itty bitty little piece. That's where you get started. If he really wants to improve, he can. If he doesn't want to, enjoy.

36:43 Debbie Gibson There you go.

36:44 Drew What are you going to do?

36:45 Debbie Gibson Listen, there's something strangely liberating about exercising a little control over yourself, like deciding there's a few things that you do that you don't want to do and actually stopping.

36:58 Drew Oh, Adam, what did you stop recently? It sounded very personal.

37:01 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I did, didn't it? Did you give up something for Lent, Adam?

37:05 Debbie Gibson I was going to, and then I saw Debbie's Playboy spread.

37:11 Drew Next week.

37:11 Debbie Gibson It's on.

37:12 Debbie Gibson It's on.

37:13 Drew In the plane.

37:14 Debbie Gibson That's right.

37:15 Debbie Gibson Oh, my.

37:17 Debbie Gibson All right.

37:17 Drew This now is Jacqueline, who is has no age up there. Jacqueline, what's up?

37:22 Debbie Gibson Hey, she's ageless. Hi, Jacqueline.

37:24 Drew Sounds young.

37:26 Debbie Gibson I'm 18.

37:27 Drew 18. What's going on?

37:28 Debbie Gibson Depressed.

37:30 Debbie Gibson I have a question.

37:32 Debbie Gibson A blood infection is not the period at all.

37:36 Drew You're either 18 and depressed or you're actually 15. So which is it?

37:40 Debbie Gibson I'm 18.

37:41 Drew All right. And are you taking antibiotics for the bladder infection?

37:45 Debbie Gibson No.

37:47 Drew How do you know you have a bladder infection, not an STD or something else?

37:52 I'm not sexually active.

37:53 Drew Okay. Good answer. And how do you know you have a bladder infection?

37:59 I don't know.

38:00 Debbie Gibson I just call it a kid.

38:02 Debbie Gibson What's up, Jacqueline? Are you depressed?

38:06 Debbie Gibson No.

38:07 Drew Are you asleep?

38:09 Debbie Gibson No.

38:10 Drew You're what? Hello?

38:13 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

38:14 Drew Are you asleep?

38:16 Debbie Gibson No.

38:16 Debbie Gibson All right, Jacqueline, you got to do something. If you're depressed, tell us. If not, how about you get it together and rally just a little bit, sweet pea? You're on national goddamn radio.

38:27 Debbie Gibson Okay.

38:28 Debbie Gibson Sorry for disturbing you, you idiots. How dare you people call this show and do this?

38:35 Debbie Gibson Get it together.

38:37 Drew Here's the deal. Periods can be, in particular, many women's very, very delicate process. And of course, in almost any medical condition, it can affect your period. And certainly the treatments for it definitely can, the antibiotics and things like that. So yeah, if you think you have some sort of infection, if you have any kind of medical problem, why don't we get that taken care of and not sit around obsessed about why my periods aren't the way they normally are? Go to the doctor. Why don't we go to break?

38:59 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Let me just say this.

39:01 Drew I need to go to the gynecologist right now.

39:03 Debbie Gibson Let me say this before we go to break. I'm wondering if people, after traveling through the South here over the last few days, I'm starting to realize that people are losing the ability to communicate altogether.

39:19 Drew Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

39:22 Debbie Gibson And I realize those people who cannot communicate are now giving birth to kids and starting a new generation of people who can communicate even less.

39:32 Drew Yes.

39:32 Debbie Gibson And I'm just wondering if 70 years from now, people, we're just going to have to have a crawl with a subtitle under every conversation.

39:43 Debbie Gibson She would have been better with the text messaging, I'm sure.

39:45 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

39:46 Drew Or maybe we're going to revert to some sort of like science fiction like species where we just walk in the room and are silent.

39:53 Debbie Gibson Be grunt.

39:54 Drew But our thoughts go back and forth, our heads pulsate a little bit and we understand each other.

39:59 Debbie Gibson Better yet, I just come up and spray you and you're like Adam's hungry.

40:03 Drew You've tried that so many times, Adam.

40:06 Debbie Gibson Adam's either hungry, horny, or both. Yeah, maybe, Debbie brings up a good point though. Maybe all the text messaging and emailing has further eroded everyone's ability to communicate.

40:18 Debbie Gibson I hardly email because I feel like-

40:20 Drew The theory is it's resurrecting the skill of letter writing.

40:23 Debbie Gibson It's not letter writing. Letter writing has to do with handwriting and waiting and being patient for a letter. That's the romance of letter writing.

40:29 Drew It's spending a lot of time thinking it through and writing it out carefully.

40:32 Debbie Gibson Yeah, not spell check and yeah, I don't think it's, I don't know. And text messaging, you don't even have to come up with your own. You can choose from a list. Can't call you now, talk later. You don't even have to write your own.

40:45 Debbie Gibson We'll just lose the ability to communicate all together to be honest.

40:48 Drew And then we'll all be on a TiVo system.

40:50 Debbie Gibson But not you, Adam. You're so good at communicating.

40:54 Debbie Gibson Thank you, Sweetness. If I was there, I would give you a nice dry hump.

40:58 Drew Pleasure.

41:00 Debbie Gibson You communicate that very well.

41:01 Drew Let's do.

41:01 Debbie Gibson Thank you. Take a break, Drew.

41:03 Drew Yes, it is Loveline 1-800-LOVE-191. And Debbie Gibson is our guest, and we'll be right back. That's how Adam's going to be talking now that he spent the last week in the Southeast. I love that. Yeah, y'all. And it's 1-800-LOVE-191. Charlotte's an interesting town, isn't it? I guess no one's there, as you don't know.

41:31 Debbie Gibson I don't know. I haven't been outside of the hotel.

41:34 Debbie Gibson Just to shoot your stupid commercial.

41:36 Drew By the way, you are missing yet another biblical dumping of water upon this town of Los Angeles.

41:42 Debbie Gibson Oh, yeah. I flew in last night. It was like two hours delayed because of the rains.

41:47 Debbie Gibson Yeah, you know, I've just I've been I've been it's it's crazy because I think we've, you know, smashed a previous record by like eight feet or something. And, you know, it's always weird when they keep these records because they go back to like 1865.

42:04 Debbie Gibson Yeah, yeah. Stuff.

42:05 Debbie Gibson And it's like, I didn't know anyone was here in 1865.

42:08 Drew Well, I should say there they were the the one who was the nipper of Sarah at the mission was actually himself in his own writing, writing these things down.

42:16 Debbie Gibson I know it's like some guy from a Frangelico bottle came out in a robe, like a fly came out there. And the thing is, is it filled up the mule trough halfway.

42:27 Debbie Gibson So he held a jug up and yeah.

42:30 Debbie Gibson Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't necessarily trust those records, but this is definitely the worst we've ever seen it. Right.

42:36 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

42:37 Drew And today was absurd. I was sitting in my home, all of a sudden, thundering lightening and hail, so sheets of hail, so intense.

42:46 Debbie Gibson Oh, I didn't get the hail by me.

42:47 Drew You couldn't see across my yard. I mean, it was just great.

42:48 Debbie Gibson Oh my God.

42:49 Drew Then all of a sudden I see emergency vehicles. Whole hillside behind us gone.

42:53 Debbie Gibson Oh my God.

42:53 Drew Cars, houses smashed. And the first half hour of the local news is one house off the hill. And what I love is these houses candelivered with the pools over the edge. They're now down the hillside. We never imagined this could happen.

43:07 Debbie Gibson I rented a house once in the hills on Stilts and I was so freaked out. I left. I just it just seemed so unnatural to me.

43:12 Debbie Gibson I mean, the things that I know, I like when they interview, the people are refusing to move like we're no no. And they look at it as a very noble, not stupid, but noble qualities. No, we're going to shovel out and rebuild. And then then we can pay for the next time the slide destroys their shack. But here's the other thing I want. And it's all, I just, everyone in the Los Angeles area, remember the biblical rain, because when they start in with this, we're still in a drought.

43:44 Drew Right, right.

43:45 Debbie Gibson You know, they start immediately, like somehow it raining, you know, we've got 75 feet in the last four months, and somehow that doesn't affect the drought at all.

43:55 Debbie Gibson I know, and you know what, my new house doesn't have good water pressure. So yeah, I want the, we have had enough rain. Take that valve off, that water conservation.

44:02 Drew Hey, we got two minutes for a call here.

44:04 Debbie Gibson I don't care. I'm not, you know what I'm doing, Drew, I don't care about this calls. I am so angry about the whole drought thing that I'm running around my house, just flushing toilets, just randomly. All the stickers are running.

44:17 Debbie Gibson Being an East coaster, I have to say, people get so terrified on the road in the rain here. Nobody knows how to drive. Traffic comes to a screeching halt. In New York, we're like, you know, just schlepping around the city, rain, snow, whatever. Yeah, it's funny.

44:32 Debbie Gibson Well, people can't drive anyway around Los Angeles.

44:35 Debbie Gibson Well, they're too busy doing their makeup, reading a script while eating and making a phone call.

44:39 Drew Yes.

44:40 Debbie Gibson And oh, by the way, driving.

44:41 Debbie Gibson All right, Drew, now we have 30 seconds.

44:43 Drew All right, now we have 30 seconds for Sean, who's 31. Sean.

44:46 Debbie Gibson Hi, Drew. Hi, Adam. Adam, you are a genius and I love your rant. I listen to the show for that.

44:54 Debbie Gibson Thank you, Sean.

44:55 Drew That's good.

44:55 Debbie Gibson Thank you.

44:57 Debbie Gibson But either way, I called for a question for Debbie.

45:00 Debbie Gibson Yeah, here we go.

45:02 Debbie Gibson I absolutely adored you. I had your post on my wall when I was 14. Yes. Love the fact that you posed in Playboy.

45:09 Debbie Gibson Thank you.

45:09 Debbie Gibson I find really funny is that you have a song called Naked that you did before deciding to pose. And Jennifer Love Hewitt did a song called Naked.

45:18 Debbie Gibson Well, she did a song called Bear Naked.

45:20 Debbie Gibson Yes.

45:20 Debbie Gibson Bear Naked.

45:21 Debbie Gibson And in that song, she did not actually get naked for the video, although she faked it and made it look like she was.

45:29 Debbie Gibson Hippocrite.

45:32 Debbie Gibson Was your decision to actually pose nude in Playboy, was that actually sort of a challenge to her? Like, hey, you know what? I talked about being naked, being myself, and here I is.

45:43 Debbie Gibson No, it wasn't a challenge to her, but it's interesting because I felt like this was a really weird year for Nudity with a lot of hypocrites, like, there was so many accidental, like, oops, I showed my boob, but I didn't mean it things happening this year. And I feel like so many, even so many of the younger pop singers are kind of like, oh yes, I'm a virgin, I'm virginal, but I wear shirts every day down to my belly button. Like, there's a lot of hypocritical stuff in that area, and I did feel like, you know what? I feel like if you're going to do it, like, really do it and own it. I mean, when I did my cutesy thing, I did it, I literally waved a flag that said electric youth on it. It's like, that was my way of being extreme then, and this is kind of my way of being extreme now. So, but it wasn't, no, it wasn't directed at Jennifer Love Hewitt.

46:26 Debbie Gibson Well, I am directing it at Jennifer Love Hewitt. I've been wanting to see her naked for like 10 years.

46:31 Drew All right, now we got to go to break here, okay?

46:34 Debbie Gibson All right.

46:35 Drew Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. Debbie Gibson is our guest. Adam and Charlotte, we'll be back.

46:43 Caller Love Line will be right back.

46:54 Drew Hey, buddy, it's Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. Adam, are you there?

46:58 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

46:59 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

47:00 Debbie Gibson Adam, can you hear me?

47:01 Drew Debbie Gibson in the studio.

47:02 Debbie Gibson Adam, can you see me?

47:04 Debbie Gibson Yeah, buddy, yeah.

47:05 Debbie Gibson I figure since I twisted your arm to go to your first ever musical, I would give you another little musical excerpt.

47:12 Debbie Gibson I had a good time at that musical.

47:14 Debbie Gibson I know you did.

47:15 Drew Have you been there since?

47:18 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I think I saw a Phantom of the Opera. Really?

47:21 Debbie Gibson The Phantom of the Opera is here? Yes.

47:25 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I saw it in England.

47:27 Debbie Gibson Really?

47:28 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it was very classy.

47:29 Drew Well done.

47:30 Debbie Gibson Classy. It's very classy, that Phantom of the Opera. Oh my gods. Sid, get me tickets to see Phantom of the Opera. It's a classy show.

47:40 Drew How do you like Wicked?

47:42 Debbie Gibson I love Wicked.

47:42 Drew Yeah, I'm going to go see it again with my kids.

47:44 Debbie Gibson Oh, I love it. Love it, love it.

47:46 Drew Is there a chance you're going to do anything in that?

47:48 Debbie Gibson I was up for that. They flew me to New York. I had this audition here. They flew me to New York, blah, blah, blah. Which role? For Elphaba. And you would do a great job. I love that role. I love it. They actually came back. This was the feed, but this is a crazy politics of the show.

48:01 Drew She's leaving though, right? She's left it.

48:02 Debbie Gibson She left. This is what they came back and said to me. They said, yeah, well, they didn't say to me, so they said it to my management. They said she was a little too sophisticated and worldly to play this kind of raw university student. And I said, well, they didn't give me any notes in the room of that sort because I can certainly turn that off, which, but you know, but that's a weird thing. Sometimes a director just wants you to be that character. But to me, it's called acting. But it was a fun, you know, it was fun preparing for it because, oh, look, you've got the wicked mug there.

48:40 Drew Different wicked.

48:41 Debbie Gibson Oh, a different wicked, okay.

48:42 Debbie Gibson Yeah, they make adult films.

48:44 Debbie Gibson Oh, see how naive, see how naive I really am? Wicked pictures. See, I'm immediately, my mind's on Broadway.

48:52 Debbie Gibson Immediately, my mind's on porn.

48:54 Debbie Gibson I know. See that? Well.

48:56 Debbie Gibson Well, here's, here's, let me, let me give musicals a quick plug here by saying, you know, the crowd that listens to Loveline isn't normally the crowd you would find in the audience of a musical, but it's one of these things. And, you know, it's almost like seeing jazz or even classical. No matter where you're from or what age you are, what else you're into, you almost always enjoy it universally.

49:22 Debbie Gibson It's very true.

49:24 Debbie Gibson And I know, I know it sounds sort of fey to say that, but it's just true. You know, you don't go to musical, just going out, just the experience is a good time. And I would say the same thing with, you know, for jazz or classical or maybe even the opera, though I've never been to the opera.

49:41 Debbie Gibson Musicals have changed a lot too. Like the last musical I did on Broadway was Cabaret. And a lot of people hear Cabaret and they think it's like 42nd Street. They think it's going to be like a bunch of like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Cabaret is a really heavy story for people that haven't seen.

49:54 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it's a bummer. It's about Nazis.

49:56 Debbie Gibson It is. And so people, you know, and it's very kind of raunchy and sexually aggressive and in your face.

50:01 Debbie Gibson Nazis and sociopaths.

50:03 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I played Sally Bowles, basically drug addicted and gets gets an abortion in the middle of the show. I mean, this is crazy. And so musicals have changed to where they really take. They really take people on a trip. They don't just like entertain with smoke and mirrors. I think that there are so many out there that have become a lot more like the the the new composers for Broadway also have become so much more like their way of writing is so much more accessible to younger people now. I think things like rent, even things like Wicked, they have like a little pop flavor to them. And so people that might be anti like the old Rodgers and Hammerstein three hour sound of music kind of a thing will probably like some of the newer stuff on Broadway.

50:43 Debbie Gibson Well, in a I'll just even make it broader, which is everybody just wants to go out and see whatever it is they think they're interested in all the time. And then when you go back and look at your life, you've seen a thousand things that were all exactly the same.

51:00 Debbie Gibson So you're saying broaden your horizons.

51:02 Debbie Gibson Broaden them, because it'll actually make you enjoy the things you like more.

51:07 Debbie Gibson So it actually make you...

51:09 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it'll make you better at it. No, I just mean like if you got a sport, if you have a sport that you're into, go out and do other sports, it'll probably make you better at your sport.

51:21 Drew Right, I in the 70s used to go down to New York, went out to college and saw all the great revivals. I saw Carol Channing in Hello Dolly, I saw Joel Brenner in The King and I, I saw Zero Mostel, I mean I saw all the original cast or stars in the great musicals of American theater.

51:40 Debbie Gibson Right, that's amazing.

51:40 Drew And I'll never forget any of that.

51:42 Debbie Gibson That's amazing. I know I sat with the guy at dinner tonight who said, oh yeah, he said I didn't see the revival of Cabaret. He said the same thing. He's like, he saw Liza, he saw all the originals as well. I wish I was around to have seen those. We're sold.

51:56 Debbie Gibson Well, wait a minute. If you were around to have seen those, you'd look horrible in Playboy right now.

52:01 Debbie Gibson That's true.

52:02 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I got to look at it that way.

52:03 Debbie Gibson That's true. I would look like Carol Channing in Hello Dolly.

52:07 Drew Not even that. Not even that.

52:09 Debbie Gibson Oh, God.

52:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

52:12 Drew All right, here we go. Yeah, let's get to Chris who is 19. Chris?

52:17 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

52:18 Drew What's up?

52:22 Debbie Gibson Well, I'm nervous.

52:23 Drew Get out of bed there. Get out of bed, Chris. I know it's 2 a.m. where you are and you've been on hold for 77 minutes, but here we go.

52:32 Debbie Gibson Well, I got a question about my ex-fiance now. Do you think that my poor wife, what's wrong with her with what's been going on?

52:43 Drew What happened?

52:45 Debbie Gibson Well, she cheated on me a few times after she started going over to one of her other friends' house and her friend has her thinking I'm just there wrong for and I'm bad to her. And now she left me and is going out with someone I thought was my friend.

53:01 Drew Yeah, she's not cheating. Yeah, she's not cheating. Chris, she left you. That's not cheating. She's gone.

53:06 Debbie Gibson Well, I mean, she was cheating before she left me.

53:09 Drew Well, she was on her way out the door while she was messing around with other people.

53:12 Debbie Gibson I don't think that makes her bipolar.

53:13 Debbie Gibson No, but either way, you shouldn't be getting engaged at 19.

53:18 Drew Yes, this is a blessing, a blessing.

53:20 Debbie Gibson Ultimately, she's doing you a favor.

53:22 Drew Oh, mitzvah.

53:23 Debbie Gibson Yes, to put it in Chris's language, a mitzvah. Mazel tov was what we're saying, Chris. The kids are Jew, right?

53:34 Debbie Gibson Of course, they know the way you said it.

53:36 Drew The way you said it.

53:39 Debbie Gibson No, he knows zero, Mazel.

53:42 Debbie Gibson I want Beyonce and Jay-Z to get engaged so that he could be the fiancé of Beyonce. Sorry, I had to say that. But no, come on, if we would have, if any of us would have married the person we met, we were with at 19, I don't know about anybody else in this room, but that would not have been a pretty thing.

53:57 Drew If I had done, committed to anything long term at 19, it would not have been a pretty thing.

54:02 Debbie Gibson Right. All right, so Chris, it's good news.

54:05 Drew She's done you a blessing, she's done you a favor. She's given you a gift. And she sounds a little chaotic too, but sometimes people at 19 can get that way. It doesn't mean they necessarily have diagnosable conditions.

54:15 Debbie Gibson Yeah, and don't try to win her back because at 19 you can't forgive and forget and move on.

54:20 Drew He's got that stink of desperation too.

54:23 Debbie Gibson He's brooding, he's home brooding, he's planning.

54:25 Drew He's got a war room, he's gonna figure out how to get it back.

54:28 Debbie Gibson Well listen, better.

54:28 Debbie Gibson I like that word though, chaotic. I'm gonna use that word for myself when I skits out a little bit. I'm not schizophrenic, I'm chaotic.

54:34 Debbie Gibson I like that. Being with nobody is better than being with a troublemaker. It really is. Cause they take you with them.

54:42 Drew Yes.

54:42 Debbie Gibson Yes. Of course. That's right. I mean, look, Drew, Drew.

54:46 Drew Yeah, yeah.

54:46 Debbie Gibson If you took the most centered together 19-year-old male in the world and hooked him up with the most chaotic, out-of-control 19-year-old female in the world.

54:58 Drew She wins.

54:59 Debbie Gibson She wins every time.

55:00 Drew Every time. All matches, all games, all sets.

55:04 Debbie Gibson All sets.

55:05 Debbie Gibson That's right.

55:07 Drew All right. This is John, who's 18.

55:09 Caller Hello.

55:10 Drew Hey, John.

55:10 Debbie Gibson What's happening, John?

55:11 Debbie Gibson Hey, John.

55:11 Caller Hey, I'm actually just playing a computer game. My real question was, I have a little itty spot down in that area. Kind of bumpy.

55:26 Drew Actually, in the pubic area or actually on the penis? Where is it? That area.

55:31 Caller It's just around it, really. It's not on the penis or the testicles. It's just around, like, on my legs and stuff.

55:36 Drew Oh, so it's like a jock itch?

55:38 Caller Like underneath them, yeah.

55:39 Drew Like a jock itch? You have a fungus?

55:41 Caller Uh, I think so, yeah. I like to clean it up. And that's what my mom told me to do. And just wait a while, you know, see what happens.

55:47 Drew Well, you want to get it bone dry, as we say. You want to, like, take a hairdryer, a hand-held hairdryer, and after you shower, dry it off till it's super dry. Are you a kind of heavy guy? Big guy?

55:57 Debbie Gibson No, no, no.

55:59 Debbie Gibson Let me say this, Drew, let me cut you off. As long as you have the hairdryer down there, you might as well style it.

56:05 Debbie Gibson Oh, God.

56:09 Debbie Gibson A little French twist.

56:10 Drew I just thought of a new Ulyssa, a new use for the flow-bee. This could be great.

56:13 Debbie Gibson Oh, the flow-bee.

56:14 Debbie Gibson Drew, you know what I'll do is I'll part mine in the middle, like an alfalfa or an old barber, old singer from a barbershop quartet.

56:22 Drew With the big cowlick sticking up towards the penis there.

56:26 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

56:26 Drew Yeah, that's nice. That's nice.

56:28 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I'm just saying if you're going to bust the hairdryer out, you know, shave it off.

56:33 Debbie Gibson Shave it off.

56:33 Drew But John, do you want to get some of the over-the-counter anti-fungal creams? Lotramen is probably a reasonable one to use. That's probably the best one to use for you. So go to there, get the cream, keep it bone dry, and this will take care of itself, okay?

56:49 Debbie Gibson All right.

56:49 Debbie Gibson Good luck. Go back to that video game.

56:51 Debbie Gibson Yeah, the moisture, you know, the moisture is what people don't realize is the rich environment for the fungi.

56:59 Drew Right. I think you get Lamisil over the counter now too, which is a very potent antifungal agent. This is Eric, who's 30. Yeah, hi.

57:06 Debbie Gibson I got a question for Debbie Gibson.

57:08 Debbie Gibson Yes, Eric. How are you?

57:10 Drew Eric, wow.

57:11 Debbie Gibson How's it going, everybody?

57:12 Caller It's good talking to you. First time caller, long time listener.

57:15 Debbie Gibson Thank you.

57:16 Debbie Gibson When's your album, you putting out a new album, I'm assuming?

57:19 Debbie Gibson Yeah, well, the single is now in stores and it's on iTunes and mainly in Tower Records and the album will come later in the year.

57:28 Drew How do you make money from iTunes?

57:30 Debbie Gibson Well, I'm the writer of the song.

57:32 Drew No, no, but I mean, do they account for?

57:34 Debbie Gibson Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's scanned. Everything's accounted for. You get a monthly statement or something from Well, this is actually my first other than like Greatest Hits albums, which, you know, the Atlantic Records owns that master and stuff. They own those old masters. This is my first like direct experience with iTunes and it just went up a week ago. So I'm going to find out.

57:51 Drew Nice.

57:52 Debbie Gibson That's why I have my business people around, because I hate even thinking about that stuff. I check on it, but then I'm like, I want to be free to sing and dance.

57:57 Debbie Gibson So, you know, hey, me too.

57:59 Debbie Gibson Actually, Adam, you want to be free to sing and dance?

58:01 Drew He has always said that. Debbie, always.

58:04 Debbie Gibson My whole thing is I want to style my pubes and then the singing and dancing begins.

58:09 Debbie Gibson Right. Exactly.

58:10 Debbie Gibson Hey, Debbie, I have a question for you, though. Speaking of your old mastered masters and all that, are you getting screwed on that or are you happy with that? Or did you get a raw deal? Did you get a fair deal?

58:24 Debbie Gibson No, I got a fair deal. I actually I got a really fair deal. And because I because I wrote all those songs, I, you know, obviously I'm in like a better position than a lot of the people who don't write their own songs. But with that said, I left that deal earlier. I kind of walked from some big bucks because they were kind of the label was kind of trying to turn me into like a kind of a kind of vampy, you know, they were trying to like vamp me up before my time, before I really was comfortable doing that. So it's kind of been an ongoing theme in my life. If people basically try to like push me to do things before I'm ready in my natural evolution, I can't. I just can't.

59:02 Debbie Gibson How does it work? Did they say wear this or style your hair that way?

59:07 Debbie Gibson They're like, put her in a little black dress and heels for God's sakes. And let's put her with like, you know, baby face and prints and this one and that one. And I was like, gee, that makes sense. After I just sold a ton of records writing my own stuff. And I don't want to be like at the time, like Sheena Easton was working with Prince and everybody was they were like putting everyone through the same machine. And I didn't want to be put through that machine. So, yeah, I mean, and I remember saying, I want to do theater. I said, I want to be your Bette Midler. I don't want to be your flavor of the month, like pop R&B singer. And they were like, well, why do you want to be that? You're only 20. I'm like, because I want to have a future, you know, because you're not going to be on the pop charts every second. And nor would I want to, because the politics of it are so horrendous. So, you know, they didn't quite, we weren't really just weren't on the same page with it.

59:51 Debbie Gibson Would you, would you, I just drew this analogy, but it's like, to me, it feels like the musical theater to the singer is sort of what stand up is to the comedian versus a sitcom. Meaning, you can, you know, you know, if you're talented, you can work, you can make a good living, but you're not going to, you're not going to get the mega bucks, like you would if you had the sitcom.

1:00:19 Debbie Gibson It's not like the superstar in pop culture, mega bucks thing, but it's really pure. It's like the relationship with the audience is pure. There are very little politics involved, which I think is good for the soul. You know what I mean? It just really, for me, feeds me. And that's why I like going back and forth, because I can like do musicals for a few years, and then I bend that like restring things, my backbone to go out in the world and put out another pop album where you feel like, you know, you're really kind of like, you know.

1:00:46 Debbie Gibson I would imagine musicals, it's sort of like, you're always staying in shape, too. I mean, as far as performing multiple shows a week, yeah.

1:00:56 Debbie Gibson It's really like being an Olympic athlete. It's funny because I did a thing a few weeks ago. I did Broadway on ice, which first of all, it doesn't get any gayer than Broadway on ice with Brian Boitano.

1:01:06 Drew It just made it gayer. It got gayer.

1:01:09 Debbie Gibson It got a little gayer, yeah. But no, it was funny because I was watching, there's such similarities between these athletes and performers. I was like, oh, this is a theater group, only they're on skates. And it's funny because so many people in pop don't take their voices very seriously and they don't warm up. And it's like you watch an athlete and you go, well, you're not going to like attempt a triple axel without stretching and warming up into it, you know? So it's just, it's an interesting, I've always thought of myself as an athlete in terms of, especially, well, eight shows a week, when you're doing eight shows a week in theater, a lot of people think, oh, well, you just show up for three hours at night and that's it. But it's not the case. It's three really intense hours. And like everything you do during the day is geared to preparing for those three hours. So you're very aware of everything you eat and how much you talk and how much you sleep.

1:01:56 Debbie Gibson Well, who are you talking to? It's the same with me in this radio show.

1:02:00 Debbie Gibson Oh, I know. I know. You're so disciplined. I've always been in awe of that.

1:02:05 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:02:05 Debbie Gibson People like, well, you just roll in and do your two hours. Oh, contraire, contraire. I roll in four minutes before I begin doing the two hours.

1:02:14 Debbie Gibson How dare you? And I got to watch what I eat.

1:02:18 Debbie Gibson I know. I know how it is.

1:02:20 Debbie Gibson Oh, and I'm in front of the mirror saying, elicution and the rain in Spain. Me, me, me, me, me.

1:02:27 Debbie Gibson You're saying that Broadway show is really classy. Yeah, that's your speech exercise.

1:02:32 Debbie Gibson Every night.

1:02:33 Debbie Gibson Every night.

1:02:34 Debbie Gibson All right, Drew, who do we got?

1:02:36 Drew Jason, 19.

1:02:38 Debbie Gibson Hello.

1:02:39 Drew What's up, Jason?

1:02:40 Adam Hey, how's it going?

1:02:42 Drew Do you have a radio on or what's all the noise in the background?

1:02:44 Adam That was my radio.

1:02:45 Debbie Gibson Yeah, sorry about that.

1:02:46 Drew All right, here we go. Go.

1:02:50 Debbie Gibson Hello.

1:02:50 Drew Jason, yes, you're on the air.

1:02:51 Debbie Gibson Talk to us, Jason. What's up?

1:02:52 Debbie Gibson Hey, how's it going?

1:02:53 Debbie Gibson Good, thanks.

1:02:55 Debbie Gibson Yeah, well, I actually have a question for Drew, actually.

1:02:57 Drew Yeah.

1:02:58 Debbie Gibson And my question is, I just recently got a Prince Albert. Of course, I assume you all know what that is. And ever since then, it was just three weeks ago. And I've been having a lot of trouble getting wrecked, actually, since I've gotten that.

1:03:13 Drew Well, your penis wants to stay out of the way.

1:03:16 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:03:16 Drew I don't know if it's frightened another spear is going to come around. Really? You just put a spear through your penis. Why are you surprised that there's problems with erection? First of all, it's healing. It's going to take another couple of weeks before things really heal. And during that healing process, there certainly can be problems. And I have heard of long-term problems with both erection and sensation from PAs. Yeah. I don't think you're going to have that necessarily. I mean, you're only just a couple of weeks into it. Again, your penis has been, is healing. It's been through a shock. It's conserving energy.

1:03:46 Debbie Gibson You call me old-fashioned, but I remember when PAs were production assistants.

1:03:54 Drew I'm confused. I don't know what you're talking about.

1:03:55 Debbie Gibson Or those announcements in school. PAs announcements.

1:03:57 Drew Old man, what do you mean?

1:03:59 Caller That's right.

1:04:00 Drew Public address system.

1:04:01 Debbie Gibson Public address system.

1:04:02 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:04 Drew Not no more.

1:04:05 Debbie Gibson Drew, you call them PAs?

1:04:07 Debbie Gibson What?

1:04:08 Drew What do you call it, Jason? They used to call them PAs.

1:04:11 Debbie Gibson Hang up on Jason.

1:04:13 Debbie Gibson We call them PAs.

1:04:14 Drew Yeah, I know you do. I know you call them PAs. Would you hang up on him? I find it bewildering, though, that somebody will take a foreign body and jam it through a delicate organ. It's an organ system. And then be sort of bewildered why something might, it's not proper, it's changed now. It's like, what? If you cut it off, would you be surprised it would change?

1:04:34 Debbie Gibson It's recoiling in fear.

1:04:36 Drew Yeah, it's just trying to stay out of the way.

1:04:37 Debbie Gibson And the whole notion that there's no anesthetic involved with that process to me is almost unthinkable.

1:04:44 Debbie Gibson I as a female, I'm getting like chills at my spine thinking about this.

1:04:47 Drew So imagine what it does to us.

1:04:49 Debbie Gibson No, I barely have a penis and I'm in pain. So I know what you're saying, Debbie.

1:04:55 Drew But you've got that whole thing about like a little kid when it hurts more to have a shot, you know what I mean? The pain, the fibers are closer together in your penis.

1:05:04 Debbie Gibson I, you know, oh yeah, they're not spread out. Right.

1:05:08 Debbie Gibson You're right.

1:05:10 Debbie Gibson They're densely clustered.

1:05:11 Adam That's right.

1:05:13 Debbie Gibson Yes, that's right. That's why I have to style my pubes. But here's all I'm saying. I think part of the deal is there's no anesthetic. I think-

1:05:25 Drew No, absolutely. I think that's the rush. Half the time it's a drug addict getting another rush.

1:05:33 Debbie Gibson I know. I know we sound like square old men, but I'll never understand that.

1:05:38 Drew Yeah.

1:05:39 Debbie Gibson Why do people- I mean, why do men go and get that?

1:05:41 Drew The pattern is people have been physically abused, commonly do that. Addicts commonly do that. They get a rush or they get an opioid surge from it, from their experience. And people with antisocial tendencies tend to do it. So in a sociopathy is that kind of thing. And then there are people that do it for stylistic reasons, get caught up in it and all. But for the most part, when people have what we call aggressive piercings, meaning piercings through parts of the body where they really don't belong, we start thinking about childhood traumas.

1:06:09 Debbie Gibson Can it cause infections and stuff?

1:06:11 Drew Yes, you can lose your penis. You can lose your clitoris. Yes, yes, that can happen. What's amazing to me is that it doesn't happen more often. That's rather remarkable. The body is an amazing thing that way.

1:06:28 Debbie Gibson I talked to a woman last night. I was in Tampa and I was eating dinner out at like a cafe. Our waitress was heavily pierced and she said that her boyfriend worked at the piercing parlor up the street. I said, does he do any clitoral piercings or hood piercings or any of the vaginal stuff? And she said, oh, yeah. And I said, doesn't it bother you? I mean, as a girlfriend, that this guy is in there with these women doing this work.

1:07:00 Debbie Gibson And she said, no, because I'm a stripper.

1:07:02 Debbie Gibson No, she said, she said, no, because they all have ugly vaginas.

1:07:08 Drew And I was like, that is not true.

1:07:10 Debbie Gibson I was like, I was like, really? And she was like, yeah. And she, her thing was it was compensation for having an unattractive vagina.

1:07:19 Debbie Gibson Oh my, that will justify anything.

1:07:22 Drew Do do do do do do do do do. I mean, that is nutty thinking.

1:07:27 Debbie Gibson I was going to argue with her, Drew, but I thought I might just finish my Greek food and call it a night.

1:07:32 Drew Yeah. Much wiser decision.

1:07:34 Debbie Gibson Thank you.

1:07:35 Drew All right. Let's see here. This is now John who is 17. John.

1:07:40 Debbie Gibson Hey, guys.

1:07:41 Debbie Gibson Hey, John.

1:07:42 Debbie Gibson I had a question for Adam. Yeah. I was wondering if you could teach me the proper strip club etiquette. I'm getting into that stage of my life where I'm going to be hanging out in a lot of strip clubs and not so sure how to act.

1:07:58 Debbie Gibson Well, I'll give you a handful of tips.

1:08:02 Drew But hold on. I'm more intrigued by the idea that one graduates to a stage of life of strip club visitation.

1:08:08 Debbie Gibson Well, is he 17?

1:08:11 Drew Yes.

1:08:11 Debbie Gibson I'll be 18 soon.

1:08:13 Debbie Gibson Soon he'll be 18 and he'll get to go to the strip clubs.

1:08:16 Drew But he's planning to hang out at strip clubs, not just visit a strip club, but this is that stage of life where one hangs out at strip clubs. Oh my God. What's happening here?

1:08:26 Debbie Gibson I know. But look, Drew, when you're a young man who's dying to see a naked woman in the flesh, and somebody says, in four months, it'll be perfectly legal for you to walk in the front door of these places and sidle up next to the stage and stare at them as long as you want.

1:08:43 Debbie Gibson See a bunch of fake boobs.

1:08:45 Debbie Gibson See a bunch of fake boobs. You'll make the proclamation that I'm going to move into one of these establishments.

1:08:50 Debbie Gibson I see.

1:08:51 Debbie Gibson I see.

1:08:51 Drew I see. I see. Okay.

1:08:53 Debbie Gibson You don't realize you're going to, you know...

1:08:55 Debbie Gibson I'm actually anxious to hear that.

1:08:56 Drew It's unbridled enthusiasm. It's not an actual stage of life. Okay, got it. Okay. Right.

1:09:01 Debbie Gibson Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's sort of... You know what it's like? It's like if you were on a desert island starving and you said, when I get back to the States, I'm going to bury my face in the first buffet I find, I'll never leave.

1:09:15 Drew Right.

1:09:15 Debbie Gibson You know, it's that kind of thing.

1:09:16 Drew Okay, got it. All right, John. So here you go.

1:09:18 Debbie Gibson Yeah. All right.

1:09:19 Drew Adam, etiquette.

1:09:20 Debbie Gibson Well, okay. I'm just a few tips off the top of my head. One is get your ATM money out at your ATM, you know, because the ones in the club have quite a surcharge. Sometimes, you know, five, eight dollars sometimes. So you want to get that. Number two, you got to wear, don't wear denim. You know, if you're going to get a lap dance, you don't want the Levi's with a big row of buttons grinding a hole in your joint. Or in my case, ruining my stylized pubic hair.

1:09:50 Drew Should he wear a condom?

1:09:52 Debbie Gibson Wear something. Well, let's go for a dry run the first time and see how it works. You definitely, you don't have to sit right at the edge of the stage. You can sit back three or four rows and then you don't have to keep throwing money out on the stage.

1:10:08 Debbie Gibson If I were to sit up front on the stage, at what point do I toss up the money?

1:10:14 Debbie Gibson Well, you should toss it out at the end of each dance, but it's nice if you can sit next to a guy who's tossing money out and it oftentimes doesn't land right in front of him. So some of that money can be mistaken for your own.

1:10:26 Debbie Gibson This is strip club etiquette for the frugal man. Right.

1:10:30 Debbie Gibson Do not ball up the dollars and throw them at the woman's vagina. That angers them. I found that out the hard way.

1:10:38 Debbie Gibson But you throw the money on the stage, I thought you like put them into the... You can tell I don't go to strip clubs. I thought you put them in the G string, no?

1:10:45 Debbie Gibson It's kind of illegal. They can't actually take it from you in a lot of places. You can put it in the G string, but more often than not, you end up just setting it on the sort of bar edge, on the edge of the stage in front of you.

1:10:59 Debbie Gibson That was another question I had is like, where do I put my hands?

1:11:04 Debbie Gibson You mean if you're getting a lap dance? Yeah, sure. If you're getting a lap dance, you just keep going until they stop you with the hands. But what you don't want to do is any goosing or grabbing or anything like that.

1:11:18 Debbie Gibson Okay.

1:11:18 Debbie Gibson You got to play...

1:11:20 Drew They get touched?

1:11:21 Debbie Gibson You can touch them?

1:11:22 Debbie Gibson Well, you got to play it by ear, which is some places, and it depends where the guy's calling from and what is municipality is. There's some places where you can do a hell of a lot of ass grabbing, and thigh rubbing, and all that. Then there's other places you just have to put your hands at your side. So you got to scope it out, watch other guys get lap dances, and see what they're doing and try to do about as much as they're doing. That's always a good one. And other than that, act interested and take a shower. And I like to rinse with a little Lavoris before I head in.

1:12:03 Drew Now, John, I mentioned, Adam, I mentioned the condom, not because he'd be having sex with the strippers, but we learned that.

1:12:09 Debbie Gibson No, I know.

1:12:09 Drew Yeah, okay.

1:12:10 Debbie Gibson We have learned.

1:12:12 Debbie Gibson Just in case.

1:12:13 Debbie Gibson I have learned. I know.

1:12:14 Debbie Gibson I know what you're saying.

1:12:16 Debbie Gibson Debbie, yes. Yes. You will be shocked and dismayed when you find out that a lot of guys have an orgasm in these places.

1:12:22 Debbie Gibson That's what I got it. I was with you.

1:12:26 Drew She was ahead of you.

1:12:27 Debbie Gibson I know. It's first off, I'm I want to strangle these guys. I'm so envious. I can't I can't believe they have an orgasm at the strip club.

1:12:36 Debbie Gibson But, you know, it's weird like watching other guys, though, kind of, ah, come on. OK, that's gayer than Broadway on ice.

1:12:44 Debbie Gibson You're talking about the orgasm party.

1:12:46 Debbie Gibson You're watching other guys like you're saying, like watch other guys and see how they do it. And I don't think girls would never be having this conversation.

1:12:54 Debbie Gibson No, here's what you also need to do. You need to you need to scout out to see which girls give the more vigorous lap dances. See what I'm saying?

1:13:04 Debbie Gibson And and art, you should write a book.

1:13:07 Debbie Gibson I I I've written three now. The other thing is, too, is you can't. John, is John still there?

1:13:14 Drew Yeah, he's here. He's here. There he is.

1:13:17 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:13:18 Debbie Gibson Go ahead. You know, pick your girl out. You don't have to wait. You know, like girls will come up to you. And if you don't like her, don't get a lap dance from her. I think a lot of guys get sort of a lot of, you know, greenhorns get bullied into getting lap dances from chicks they don't really like. Don't don't worry. Go ahead and just send them packing. You can just tell them, you know, later and they'll just keep moving until the one you like comes up to you.

1:13:43 Drew Beat it.

1:13:43 Debbie Gibson Write a book on strip club etiquette.

1:13:45 Drew You say beat it.

1:13:46 Debbie Gibson Absolutely, Adam. It's not.

1:13:47 Debbie Gibson Yeah, yeah.

1:13:48 Debbie Gibson No, show some decorum, but you just give that a little later, sweetie. I'm enjoying my drink and which in your case is going to be a great soda.

1:13:56 Debbie Gibson Grab her best friend.

1:13:57 Drew OK, pops.

1:13:58 Debbie Gibson And wait, wait for her. Wait for the Fox. You want to come around?

1:14:02 Drew Hey, pops, we got to take a break here.

1:14:04 Debbie Gibson All right.

1:14:05 Drew But I think Debbie's leaving it. She has a early morning call for a radio satellite tour. Is that true?

1:14:10 Debbie Gibson That is true. Oh, I think. Well, I'm OK. Are you OK?

1:14:14 Drew I'm looking at 10 more minutes.

1:14:16 Debbie Gibson Yeah. All right. I'll stay a while longer. Yeah.

1:14:19 Drew Debbie Gibson in here. The new album is a new single is called Naked. She's in Playboy March this month. Next month. It's out this month.

1:14:25 Debbie Gibson It's out already.

1:14:26 Drew On newsstands everywhere. I'm Dr. Drew. He's Adam Corolla. We'll be right back.

1:14:32 Caller 1-800-LOVE-191.

1:14:34 Drew Loveline.

1:14:35 Adam Loveline with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew. We'll be right back.

1:14:46 Drew Hey, it's Loveline, I'm Dr. Drew, 1-800-LOVE-191. And producer Ann, just hand me some copier. It says that we're all next week on Loveline. We'll be giving away an iPod Shuffle. Beginning of each show, we will give you details and tell you what to listen for so you can win this great prize. That's cool. So starting next week, we'll be giving away iPod Shuffles all week long.

1:15:05 Debbie Gibson And let me say this, you can't find those. People have been talking to, I was talking to someone who was trying to get some of those as gifts for somebody and said they couldn't find them anywhere.

1:15:16 Debbie Gibson Now I have a regular iPod. What is the iPod? I'm like...

1:15:19 Drew Shuffle is about this big and it holds 240 songs and it shuffles them randomly for you.

1:15:24 Debbie Gibson Very cool. This little mixtape for you.

1:15:26 Drew It's like the size of a stick of gum.

1:15:28 Debbie Gibson Wow.

1:15:28 Drew It's crazy.

1:15:29 Debbie Gibson You know the problem with the old iPods, the first generation is it's got that stupid touch thing where if you just pick it up, it either turns on or turns off or shift songs.

1:15:39 Debbie Gibson Yeah, you have to hit the lock, you have to hit the lock button.

1:15:41 Debbie Gibson I know, but this brings up a bigger point as far as our society goes.

1:15:45 Debbie Gibson What is that bigger point?

1:15:47 Debbie Gibson Well, my point is we need, you know, okay, here's what I want to say. Many years ago, not too, about 20 years ago, all this digital stuff started coming in and they replaced all the gauges in your car with these digital gauges. So instead of seeing the tachometer needle go up or seeing the speedometer needle go up, you just see this digital readout, like the beginning of the $6 million man. But the point is, is it doesn't work well in your brain, just seeing this digital thing spool up, numbers getting higher. You kind of need the old thing and we need buttons. Yeah. I'm just saying, if anyone from the Apple Corporation is listening, people like a positive feeling with their buttons. They like to turn stuff on and off and click. They don't just like this stupid thing where you wave your hand over it and it does whatever it wants to do. That's the sucky part about the old ones.

1:16:49 Debbie Gibson The old, oh sorry.

1:16:50 Debbie Gibson Yeah, that's the old one. The new ones aren't that way. The shuffle, they fixed it.

1:16:54 Debbie Gibson Ah.

1:16:55 Debbie Gibson See, I like old recording equipment for that reason. I have this old 12 track that I want to get fixed because you can see everything in front of you.

1:17:01 Debbie Gibson Wow.

1:17:02 Debbie Gibson You know, you see all the faders and you, yeah.

1:17:05 Debbie Gibson You know, you push the buttons.

1:17:06 Debbie Gibson I'm with you.

1:17:07 Debbie Gibson Yes. When you pushed a button back in the day, you knew it was pushed.

1:17:11 Debbie Gibson Right. Instead of it being on some other screen and you had to pull it up and you had to, yeah, I hear you.

1:17:16 Debbie Gibson I'm with you. Isn't it frustrating like when you go to the ATM and it's just the touch thing and you're putting in, you're putting in your information, but it's just by touch, you don't actually get to depress any buttons. I like to push a button down. Yeah.

1:17:30 Debbie Gibson Make sure you know I'm alive. I like the Whack-a-Mole game. I like to hit things over the head.

1:17:33 Debbie Gibson That's what I'm saying. That's exactly where I was going.

1:17:37 Debbie Gibson I know it wasn't with you, Adam.

1:17:39 Debbie Gibson This is all simpatico.

1:17:41 Drew Tara19, Tara, Tara, whatever.

1:17:44 Debbie Gibson You say Tara, I say Tara. Hey, hi.

1:17:49 Debbie Gibson Hi. You guys can hear me, right?

1:17:51 Debbie Gibson We hear you. Yes.

1:17:52 Debbie Gibson Okay, cool, because I'm on a cell phone and I'm in my room and it's really hard. Anyway, I recently was diagnosed with a form of bipolar disorder and like I've had depression my whole entire life, but it developed into bipolar disorder. And anyway, so I've been lately, or actually my entire life, I've been kind of searching, like always on the prowl for guys. And it's like this almost kind of an obsessive thing where I feel like I have to be desired by all the guys around me, even if I'm not interested in them, you know? And I mean, I know about narcissism and everything, but like, I don't know about your psychological background. I know you're a doctor, but I don't, so.

1:18:41 Drew Were you sexually abused growing up?

1:18:44 Debbie Gibson You know, I've been asked that question a lot. And I don't think, if I have, it's been repressed.

1:18:51 Drew Was it possible that it was sort of something we call by proxy, that was sort of a more subtle thing, where you were, you know what I'm saying?

1:18:59 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're saying.

1:19:00 Drew Like a, you know, a covert sexual abuse where you were sort of, you know, your dad was a little closer to you than should have been or that you were, your mom wasn't around and you sort of replaced mom for dad or anything like that.

1:19:14 Debbie Gibson Sometimes my dad would like hug me when I was like, dad, just get off, get off, things like that.

1:19:19 Drew But So some boundary issues may be in the family.

1:19:22 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I have. Yeah, actually, I have a lot of control and boundary issues. Yeah.

1:19:26 Debbie Gibson It's weird when your dad hugs you and you tell him to get off.

1:19:30 Debbie Gibson Yeah, like he'll just keep on hugging. I'm like, dude, dad, just like sometimes I just had to yell at him, you know, like I need my boundaries and.

1:19:38 Debbie Gibson Yeah. Well, wait a minute, that sounds like more you than him, though. I mean, was he doing anything creepy?

1:19:44 Debbie Gibson No, but like I actually I had had have had dreams when my father rapes me.

1:19:51 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:19:51 Debbie Gibson Like I actually asked him, I think I said something about it to him and he got really pissed off. But like.

1:19:58 Debbie Gibson That's nice.

1:20:00 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:20:01 Drew So there's something covert going on in any event. And some some of that covert stuff. You've got bipolar disorder. It's a lot of things that adds up to some sexual issues and some preoccupations. Have you been acting out on these these impulses? Do you have lots of men in your life?

1:20:15 Debbie Gibson No, actually, I haven't. I think a lot of it's in my head. You know how some people think everyone's looking at them? You know, that type of thing. Well, it's kind of like that for me. I always feel like I'm being judged, especially by the male sex, and that I need to keep up this repute, not a reputation, but keep up a facade.

1:20:34 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:20:34 Debbie Gibson All right.

1:20:35 Debbie Gibson But yeah.

1:20:36 Debbie Gibson Now, don't most young women, especially named Tara or Tara, want every guide to desire them?

1:20:43 Debbie Gibson Well, you know, I've said this to friends before. Like, I think we all want our group of men that adore us to just be ours. And I had this recently with a friend that I was like, well, I'm friends with this guy. And there's always like, there can be that kind of male, female energy going without anything ever happening. But then I ended up hooking them up with a friend of mine because I said, well, that's just selfish of me to have this like, to want somebody's energy all to myself when they really could be off having a real relationship with somebody else. So I think all girls in a way want that. Even ones named Deborah, not just Tara or Tara.

1:21:13 Debbie Gibson To be like, to be the Buddha and have everybody. Yeah, I know what you're saying. To be quote unquote worship.

1:21:20 Drew Not the healthiest impulse.

1:21:22 Debbie Gibson Have you had a real relationship yet though?

1:21:24 Debbie Gibson Oh, yeah. Actually, I just recently had one. And I think that's why my depression developed into bipolar disorder. It came to the point where I have like severe anxiety attacks at night.

1:21:34 Debbie Gibson And I used to have anxiety attacks actually. So I know what that's like.

1:21:38 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it would just come like clockwork, like at 4 o'clock.

1:21:42 Drew Are you doing drugs?

1:21:43 Debbie Gibson No, no, no. I've been switched to wellbutrin.

1:21:47 Drew No, no. Were you doing any illicit drugs though?

1:21:50 Debbie Gibson No, no, no, no.

1:21:51 Drew Okay, all right.

1:21:51 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I'm just letting you know that I switched to… My doctor gave me a higher dose of wellbutrin.

1:21:59 Drew And what are you doing for mood stabilizer? Are you on Depakote or something?

1:22:03 Debbie Gibson Yeah. And it actually works for like about two weeks. And then like today, I noticed like all of a sudden, I had the same thing happen to me. I had the, had the sudden anxiety attack. And I went to the gym and like I'm at the gym. And then I noticed myself doing it again. That's something that I had been doing for like so much of my life. And I had these two weeks of bliss where I'm completely confident in myself. And like, I don't feel I have to impress anybody, male or female. And like, I can just do whatever I want.

1:22:31 Drew I remember, remember that thought. That's more where you should be all the time. Some of it is the biology, but some of it, you may need some some psychological help.

1:22:38 Debbie Gibson The anxiety attacks, because I had them for like three years. And what I learned as I got older was that you, because when you're and I was around that age, and I think a lot of girls, 18, 19, 20, you're going through such a huge transition. And anxiety attacks are so real and people don't take them seriously. And you literally feel like you're going to die. Like you cannot breathe. You can't sit. You can't stand. You can't think. You can't, you know, I mean, it's really, really serious stuff. And I think once you start getting it under control and as you get older and you go through it, you realize you're not going to die. And it like you kind of are able to break the cycle.

1:23:10 Drew You can master the feelings.

1:23:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah, because if you panic, I used to panic over the idea of getting a panic attack and it would spiral out of control. And now, even now, you know, I still can get that feeling coming on. But I know that nothing is going to happen except I'm going to get short of breath and whatever. And it's going to be OK. And that starts to break the chain of that attack coming on.

1:23:32 Drew Here is Jade.

1:23:33 Debbie Gibson Tara, hold on. Let me just say, finish with Tara. She just sounds like she's way up in her head about everything. Like, you know, my dad hugged me and it freaked me out. And I have these dreams. And she just seems like she's going through what a lot of 19-year-olds are going through. And she ought to stop giving herself so many labels. Like, I think she's just labeling herself as, you know, almost, you know, ready to be institutionalized. She needs to just relax, take her meds, do some therapy, get some exercise, and stop sifting through the past, looking for trouble. Thank you.

1:24:08 Drew Fair enough. Jay, 25.

1:24:11 Debbie Gibson Yeah, how's it going, man? Hey, I just want to bring back the PA bit. Well, I was pretty, I was born with hypospadias.

1:24:20 Drew It's like a, born with a PA hole.

1:24:23 Debbie Gibson Basically.

1:24:25 Debbie Gibson Prince Albert Hall.

1:24:27 Adam Ain't that kind of crazy?

1:24:28 Debbie Gibson So I was, I went through nursing school and stuff a whole bit, and like, I learned about it, and I found out it was normal, but like, when I went to join the military prior to nursing school, like, one of the doctors, it was some chink. He basically denied me access into the military.

1:24:43 Debbie Gibson Hold on, did he say chink?

1:24:45 Drew I believe he did.

1:24:48 Debbie Gibson Hey man, you know, I speak from the heart. I just speak the first thing in my mouth, man.

1:24:54 Debbie Gibson Oh wow, and I get in trouble for saying Chinaman.

1:24:58 Debbie Gibson Hey, I've heard you say rice ball, man.

1:25:00 Drew No.

1:25:01 Debbie Gibson Wow, that doesn't sound like, that's not one of mine.

1:25:04 Adam No, that is one of yours, dude.

1:25:06 Debbie Gibson Rice ball?

1:25:07 Debbie Gibson My sister always says, rugs are oriental, people are Asian.

1:25:12 Debbie Gibson Well, there was this Asian doctor that actually denied me access into the Navy when I was 17, which I'm thankful for, but I just...

1:25:22 Debbie Gibson Oh, why'd you call him a chink if you're thankful for it?

1:25:26 Debbie Gibson I'm not English. I was like, he said that it would leak, you know, which I don't know if you understood that there's a sphincter by the bladder, you know, that controls...

1:25:37 Drew I think you would understand that, but have you had the hypospadias repaired?

1:25:41 Debbie Gibson No, they wanted me to go and get it repaired by a urologist, but I... I've kind of... it's grown on me, you know.

1:25:47 Drew You like it?

1:25:48 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I like it. And I have occasionally put in the earring, you know, not the earring, but the piece for the PA.

1:25:55 Drew Oh, you're just sticking it in because you've got the track already set up.

1:25:58 Debbie Gibson Yeah, and I don't have no problems with it.

1:26:00 Drew Interesting.

1:26:01 Debbie Gibson Like, it's the thing... it's something that God put there, you know.

1:26:04 Drew So you might as well just take advantage of it. Good times. Sorry, Jay. God put it there. God pierced him. You should know, Jay, that that's a common repair, that hypospadius repair is not that... it's less of a big deal than you might imagine.

1:26:18 Debbie Gibson It's just having a second hole at the bottom of the head.

1:26:22 Drew Yeah, exactly.

1:26:24 Debbie Gibson And urine will come out of there when you're urinating, but when you're not urinating, it's not going to come out of there.

1:26:30 Drew That's right. That's correct.

1:26:32 Debbie Gibson And I kind of like, you know what I would do? I would have the urethra, the regular hole. I would have that close and just go out the bottom part. Yeah. Why? Because that way I could take a leak when I had a boner.

1:26:46 Drew Oh, no, that's thinking.

1:26:48 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it wouldn't go up when girls never think about.

1:26:50 Debbie Gibson Well, it wouldn't go all over the place. You know, Drew, you know, when you get up in the morning, you have that boner, right? And you go to take a whiz in the toilet.

1:26:59 Drew Wiperspray, it's going every which way.

1:27:01 Debbie Gibson No, but it's going straight out.

1:27:04 Drew Or, but also can spray around too.

1:27:06 Debbie Gibson Well, that might happen with the hole in the bottom too. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is-

1:27:12 Drew Directionality, I see, yeah, it's good.

1:27:14 Debbie Gibson You would feel like a champ. You would close up the regular hole. You would stand with your erection right over the top of the toilet and whiz at a 90 degree angle straight down.

1:27:23 Drew I wonder if Jake can just hold the tip and get that effect already. Why don't we ask him?

1:27:28 Debbie Gibson I bet he could, yeah, he's got it.

1:27:30 Drew Oh, it won't come up until later.

1:27:31 Debbie Gibson Jay, you there?

1:27:32 Drew Jay?

1:27:32 Adam Yeah, I'm here.

1:27:33 Debbie Gibson Hey, well, I've actually, he does come out the hole. It actually veers to the left and I have to cover it with my finger, with my...

1:27:42 Drew But Adam's question is, can you cover the urethra outflow? I haven't...

1:27:47 Debbie Gibson Well, I think my urethra...

1:27:49 Debbie Gibson Try it now.

1:27:50 Debbie Gibson It's kind of a little too big to try to clamp off.

1:27:52 Drew Yeah.

1:27:54 Debbie Gibson I don't know.

1:27:54 Debbie Gibson I would have tried that first thing.

1:27:56 Drew Yeah.

1:27:57 Debbie Gibson I would have done that. The first thing is that I would have done that right out of the gate. But my first move.

1:28:03 Drew Poor Debbie's fading here. We got to move her along. She's worrying about the morning.

1:28:08 Debbie Gibson All right. Debbie Gibson, you're making me sound like a lightweight. It's been a little crazy. I kind of like moved into a new house, flew to New York and back and just running, running. It's all good, though. It's all good.

1:28:18 Debbie Gibson An hour and forty five minutes. That's enough.

1:28:20 Drew Pretty good.

1:28:20 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:28:20 Drew Forty six now. Naked is the name of the single. Get It On iTunes or whatever. Tower. Napster.

1:28:27 Debbie Gibson Yeah, I think so. I think so. I know for sure Tower and iTunes is in this week. Playboy. Great spread.

1:28:32 Drew And look for you in any productions coming up.

1:28:36 Debbie Gibson No, that's kind of it for now, but you can check the website. It's debragibson.com, D-E-B-O-R-E-H for upcoming appearances. Good stuff like that. It was good to see you again. Good to talk to you again, Adam.

1:28:50 Debbie Gibson Good to talk to you, Debbie. I'll see you soon.

1:28:52 Debbie Gibson Thank you. All right.

1:28:54 Drew And we will be right back.

1:28:56 Caller Loveline. Okay.

1:28:57 Debbie Gibson Wait.

1:28:57 Drew Wait.

1:28:58 Debbie Gibson My hair.

1:28:59 Drew My hair.

1:29:00 Debbie Gibson We'll be right back.

1:29:06 Drew Hey, it's Loveline, Jeff Probst, tomorrow night, Seth Green, later in the week, 1-800-LOVE-191. Hey, Adam.

1:29:13 Debbie Gibson Yeah.

1:29:14 Drew Yeah, it's good times, huh?

1:29:15 Debbie Gibson Yeah, it's good times.

1:29:17 Drew Debbie's great.

1:29:18 Debbie Gibson Yeah, she's nice. She's always nice. She, you know, I think she could have easily gone another direction, you know, getting started as early as she did and having the kind of success that she had, but she did.

1:29:33 Drew Yeah, she's not changed, you know what I mean, in the whole, through this whole thing. Integrity is this sort of the word, right?

1:29:40 Debbie Gibson Yeah, well, she is in Playboy, but other than that.

1:29:43 Drew No, but if you see it, I mean, she's done it, she's done it, and she didn't do it. I really think doing it 35 is very different than doing it at 19.

1:29:50 Debbie Gibson If she's in her car listening right now at the age of 34, Drew, she's going to be angry with you.

1:29:56 Drew 34, I beg your pardon, I beg your pardon. But I mean, the point is doing your 30 is different than doing it in your teens.

1:30:01 Debbie Gibson Yeah, people don't like to see it as much.

1:30:03 Drew No, no, no. The fact that they like to see it as much is a special triumph. This is Rachel, Raquel, who's 18.

1:30:11 Debbie Gibson Raquel?

1:30:13 Debbie Gibson Hi.

1:30:14 Drew What's going on?

1:30:18 Debbie Gibson A little over a year ago, I was in a relationship with this guy and basically like he assaulted me.

1:30:30 Debbie Gibson Sexually?

1:30:32 Debbie Gibson Yeah, physically and sexually. The guy I'm with now, he's really cool, but just because of what happened, there's kind of problems like when we're trying to be close, you know?

1:30:50 Drew Yeah, I imagine that wasn't the first sexual sort of, whatever you want to call it, abuse that you've had in your lifetime, right?

1:31:02 Debbie Gibson No, but it was the same guy who had done it before, just kind of not pull out kind of assault.

1:31:10 Drew But the fact that you would be with somebody like that, not full out, not full out.

1:31:16 Debbie Gibson I thought she said pull out.

1:31:18 Caller No.

1:31:19 Debbie Gibson Because I look at it as an assault when they do pull out.

1:31:23 Drew Usually something, yes, I hear you, something around age 8 or so, maybe something happened to you even younger, that sort of set you up for this post-traumatic stress reaction.

1:31:36 Debbie Gibson If it did happen, I have no recollection of it. I mean, I do know that there were other guys before that who would try to get fresh and I'm just like, please don't.

1:31:49 Debbie Gibson But what kind of a thing? Let me get something straight. This guy did this to you when you were how old?

1:31:56 Debbie Gibson 17.

1:31:58 Debbie Gibson And he did it one time, but you didn't break up with him?

1:32:02 Debbie Gibson No, I didn't.

1:32:03 Drew Right, but that by itself doesn't apply to sexual abuse.

1:32:08 Debbie Gibson Sometimes, but sometimes also girls get, you know, involved with these guys.

1:32:12 Drew No, I agree. That's what I'm saying.

1:32:13 Debbie Gibson Cast a spell over them.

1:32:14 Drew Yes, I'm absolutely saying I agree with that. I agree.

1:32:18 Debbie Gibson All right.

1:32:18 Drew Well, here's the deal. We are out of time. And the fact is she has been a victim of a, or a victim, that we decided we're calling them, of some sort of sexual aggressive act. And that's something that can really traumatize women. It can make it difficult to be intimate and to be sexual again. And have all kinds of complex feelings of shame and anxiety and freezing reactions and dissociation. And that's something that should be treated. Best treated that kind of thing, if it is really just limited to the, let's call it a rape, would be a sort of a group setting. So other women who have been through these kinds of traumas and support one another as you sort of make a narrative out of this that is something you can sort of hang on to and make sense of.

1:32:55 Debbie Gibson Yeah, you and the new boy will work it out.

1:32:58 Drew That's right.

1:32:58 Debbie Gibson All right, Drew, put the show to bed for me. I'm going to sleep.

1:33:01 Drew I'm putting you to bed first.

1:33:03 Debbie Gibson All right, baby.

1:33:03 Drew All right, we'll see you tomorrow night with Jeff Probst.

1:33:06 Debbie Gibson Fantastic.

1:33:06 Drew All right, we'll be right back.

1:33:08 Caller All right, guys, here's the deal.

1:33:10 Caller You're looking to hook up, sick of wasting time with the wrong person?

1:33:13 Caller One call is all you need to make.

1:33:15 Debbie Gibson Call the Dateline.

1:33:16 Caller 877-889-DATE.

1:33:18 Drew Call the Dateline.

1:33:26 Debbie Gibson Love line, I'll be right back.

1:33:29 Debbie Gibson This hour brought to you in part by Axe.

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1:33:42 Drew Well, that does it for another episode of Loveline. We'll be back tomorrow night with Jeff Probst and Adam in the studio. So until his return, I am here, Dr. Drew, on his behalf saying mahalo.

1:33:55 Caller This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed in this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or the station. The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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