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Voiceover
Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. This is Loveline.
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Voiceover
That's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Tonight, it is our privilege to have on the show, dear, dear friend, Gary Busey.
1:38🔗
Adam
It's always good to see you, Gary. I loved your work on Entourage, by the way, last season.
1:53🔗
Gary Busey
That was such a fun picture to make. I had Arthur Bigelow directed that, and we had so much fun making it.
1:58🔗
Adam
I'll tell you, tell you something about that movie. Because it's got the kind of Keanu Reeves thing, and it's also got the Patrick Swayze thing, it's, get some people's crosshairs, it's sort of a movie to make fun of. But then when you really start talking about it to people, turns out they really do like it. Like at first you think they're making fun of it, but then they start talking about it and they dig it. Yeah, it's good, it's a good, exciting movie. Gary was great in it.
2:35🔗
Gary Busey
I don't want the listeners of this beautiful show to turn on their TVs. I want you to tape the show now and keep listening to this show because Adam and Dr. Drew have some surprises for you.
2:50🔗
Adam
It's a surprise. Gary, Gary's looking very trim. Gary has always been in decent shape, although in your younger days, you were, you're huskier.
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Gary Busey
No, my younger, my younger, I've been an athlete all my life. Football was my main sport. And what happened to me was I fell into a vicious war with cocaine in the late, early eighties. It really had me down and I'm bloomed up to be 245 pounds.
3:21🔗
Gary Busey
Now, why most people, most people get skinny, right? But I would, here's what I do. I do cocoa, cocoa, cocoa, cocoa. Then I go to bed for 14 hours and I get up and eat a whole chocolate cake, go back to bed. Then I get up and drink a whole gallon of milk. And I know I was doing great, but don't listen to that, friends, if you're having that struggle. And so I got myself in shape. Stinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, right. And also when you feel bad about yourself, when you're not happy with yourself and you don't know it, you can take it out on other people. And therefore, when you're feeling that way, in my case, I decided I didn't care about being in shape. I'm not thinking consciously of this. Unconsciously, I didn't care about being in shape because I knew all the fat I had on me would protect me. I could hide my feelings and hide behind that, embrace everything I did that was wrong.
4:11🔗
Gary Busey
Yeah, I felt in retrospect and you know what they say about hindsight and I'm back to the size now I was when I made a surfing movie called Big Wednesday right before Buddy Holly.
4:46🔗
Adam
No, I did not. I used to bare hand, but I made the mistake of using shampoo, and that's a mistake I will make again.
4:53🔗
Gary Busey
Listen, Adam, I'll tell you right now, there's nothing like getting your puppy shampooed.
5:10🔗
Adam
Now, here's a, thank you. You're welcome. Here's a great magnet, sort of Gary Busey Big Wednesday story.
5:21🔗
Adam
I think, so in a way, Buzz Fichens was the guy who directed. He had a daughter named Cece Fichens.
5:28🔗
Adam
She was the hottest chick in my junior high. And she was 70s hot, which meant she had the right kind of hair, the feathered back hair, and the right attitude. And the thing that's weird is you go back, go back. Here's an interesting thing. Go back and look at your yearbooks from junior high and high school. I don't own any because my family were cheap apps, but I see other people I went to junior high and with. The people that you thought, the women that you thought were beautiful, that were the most popular. Sometimes you go back and look at them and you realize it wasn't that they were that beautiful, just they had it going on.
6:05🔗
Adam
It absolutely does. The thing that was interesting is I just did a, what the, whatever, I just did some TV show a couple weeks back.
6:15🔗
Gary Busey
You know what that's called you're having right now, it's called a senior moment when you instantly forget something in the quick past.
6:20🔗
Adam
Yeah, I know, Bernie Mac, speaking of senior moments. So I'm doing the Bernie Mac show and I go to high school or junior high with the guys directing the Bernie Mac show, wasn't Buzz Fidgens, but he brings his yearbook in the next day. I'm working a few days on, I start looking through the You had gone to junior high school with him? Yeah, I went to junior high with the guy who's directing. Well, I grew up in North Hollywood, so half the people just become grips and directors and lighting guys. A lot of people got into the business that I went to junior high and high school, mostly building sets, but once in a while a guy's sitting in the director's chair. I was looking at all the women, I haven't seen the thing for 30 years. I'm looking at all the women that were allegedly the most popular and the hottest, in my mind, the hottest. Looking at women to the left and the right of them that are as cute faceless, couldn't remember them. Weren't they the foxes? They had something, the way they dressed, the way they carried themselves.
7:15🔗
Gary Busey
What happens to you when you go back to a reunion and see the ladies now, as they've grown up with women, as women?
7:22🔗
Adam
It's weird. I went to my 20 year, a year or two ago, in high school, that's it so far. So I don't know. The next one's gonna be a train wreck.
7:32🔗
Gary Busey
You know, Adam, with your notoriety, being who you are and what you do in the business, don't you go back there with a celebration inside yourself of what you've achieved and give that feeling to others to make them feel good?
7:45🔗
Gary Busey
Well, you're looking for your, not for your, you know, you are, you're that kind of guy.
7:57🔗
Adam
All I'm saying is, now here's the thing. So you go back like, I don't know, 25 years, 28 years. I'm in the seventh grade. There's Cece Fichens, and she has a cast on her arm because she must have fallen off with a skateboard. She's hot, you know? I can barely muster the nerve to say anything to her. And on her cast, it says Big Wednesday. Oh, it's a big Wednesday on the cast. And I said, now the movie not been out yet with Gary Busey. And I said, oh, is that the day the cast comes off? And she said, no, you idiot. That's a movie my dad's working on, and I'm in it.
9:08🔗
Gary Busey
Well, you know what? That's fine. Because I love to hear everyone talk. Because it gives me an observation within myself as to who you are within yourself. It's absolutely hilarious to see you talking illogically, making it logical. I'm so flattered to be here.
9:20🔗
Adam
That must have been like 1977 or 78. Now, let's go back and look at it. Yeah. All right. Gary Busey and some of the greatest movies ever made. Now, now at Celebrity Fit Club. But how much weight did you lose? Because I didn't think you were too big going into it or were you?
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Gary Busey
I weighed 220 going into it nine weeks ago. And I cannot tell you my weight now because it's against the rules of the show, because you have to watch the show to find that out because there's four people there. There's Willie Ames, Maitan is enough and Charles and Jared.
9:59🔗
Gary Busey
Well, that was something over prayer, but you'll see in the future. I want to let everybody know out there that you have no idea. Shut up. You have no idea what's coming up on this show. It's so beautifully unpredictable. And we Denver, we don't know the contestants and at the eight contestants, we don't know what we're going to go through. I mean, the things we've gone through physically are amazing. I trapped doing one and a half back somersault off a trapeze bar and landing on your feet. I did that.
10:30🔗
Adam
What is the key? I mean, I'm just gonna, I don't want to give anything away, but I'm eyeballing Gary and knowing that he lost at least 45 pounds doing this thing. What is the key to weight loss? Is it?
10:42🔗
Gary Busey
65% of your training is what you eat. When you eat it, how you eat it, and the combination of food.
10:54🔗
Gary Busey
Well, my stomach size now, I put my food into, is about as big as a softball. So seven ounces of tuna fish, one navel orange will do me for a day. I have a sublative food system coming from VH1. Thank you very much, VH1. It's called Nutrisystem Food. Very small amounts. We're good combinations of food. The less you eat, the better you are. But you have to eat at the right time with the right protein and carbohydrates, and not go to the store and buy this stuff with sauces and junk food and fast food.
11:28🔗
Gary Busey
I eat trail mix. Yeah, I have that. You know what nuts stands for in UTS? Never underestimate the spirit. That's abuse-ism. That's why it's okay to be nuts.
11:46🔗
Adam
No, it is. I was talking about this the other day. Remember I was saying Snoop Dogg's a genius because he can smoke pot wherever he wants and no one says anything about it. Gary Busey can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants and say whatever he wants. And it's Gary Busey saying it. Anyone else would be wrestled to the ground and escorted out of the building.
12:03🔗
Gary Busey
I don't speak in cruelty. I don't speak in criticism. I don't speak in insults. I consider other people's feelings first before I speak. And I consider their feelings to be more important than mine simply because they own their feelings. And if I know my feelings, two people get in an argument, they're fighting over their feelings. Well, Adam, if you and I are arguing, you have feelings that you own and I have feelings that I own. So the feelings you're saying things that are against my feelings. So I'm going to tell you about my feelings. You're going to tell me about your feelings. We're going to start arguing. It's going to be a conversation.
12:37🔗
Gary Busey
What you do and what I do is I listen to the other person arguing with me. I argue and listen to it all. And then I don't blink and I look at them in the eyes. I have a half smile and I say thank you for telling me that. Because actually the enemies you think you have on earth are here to show you things about yourself you need to change.
12:56🔗
Gary Busey
What's important about enemies is enemies are simply friends in reverse. You want to see your biggest enemy look in the mirror.
13:21🔗
Gary Busey
Turned out to be a blessing. December 4th, 1988, I went up to Harley-Davidson. You're going 40 miles an hour without a helmet. And I hit my head on the curb at Washington Robinson Boulevard. 1.15 Sunday afternoon.
13:32🔗
Gary Busey
Wow. Close to where we are now. I hit on that concrete. No, I was not at all. I was without a helmet on Harley-Davidson. Hit my head first on to the curb, split my skull open, knocked the hole in my skull the size of a 50 cent piece. But here's a miracle. I landed at the feet of a police officer who was there scouting the route of the marathon race in Culver City, December 6th. Paramedics took me right to Cedar Sinai. Dr. Lauren Hooten, most aggressive brain surgeon on duty, opened me up. He said if I'd been three minutes late, I'd be dead. I don't remember four and a half weeks of my life because my memories would not consolidate. They took me out of Cedars and put me in Daniel Freeman where they took me under the 12 layers of drugs they had me on at Cedars. Also not far from here. They had me locked into a room naked on a metal bed, chained down in the middle ward. And the mail orderly told my brother get him out of here, they're gonna cuckoo nest him. So they took me to Daniel Freeman where they put the mattresses on. Dr. Roger Light and Barry Ludwig were there in my care. They put my mattresses on the floor and took me off the medicine and I spent all my time with a flower cart with all my cassette players, my cassette player, and my cassette tapes and a poster. They sent me from Lethal Weapon with helmets drawn on Danny and Mel and everybody autographed. And I was just gonna go home and they said, they called a meeting, chiefs have the surgeons call the meeting. Two and a half months after I was there and they say, what are you letting him out now for? This kid was dead two months ago, two and a half months. He couldn't walk, talk, he dressed himself, organized anything. He's been through all the therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy, physical fitness therapy. Why doesn't he get a hospital? And they said our reports showed that he has a resilience in himself with his mind and his courage and his power. You can call it faith if you want it. He's gonna, he's well already. And he was born with the energy. Gary was born with the energy of 10 men who have normal jobs.
15:26🔗
Yeah, oh, it's got to be like 11 men.
15:36🔗
Adam
Oh my God. And look at you too, nothing but doing blow and eating red meat and look at you.
15:50🔗
Gary Busey
Well then say in spite first, because I'm going to tell you I want to help you with your grammar, Adam.
15:54🔗
Adam
No, I say look, look how great you look. And you've had a life of, you know, treat treating yourself like you're a bad car.
16:06🔗
Adam
Oh, all right. But still you left yourself. You didn't you didn't park yourself in a garage.
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Gary Busey
But isn't it great? Isn't it great to go through the dry seasons where your faith is being tested and yourself? No, and you're always wrapped. You're always wrapped in the protection from God. You're always in his favor. He'll be with you even though you are failing yourself. But the word failing, F-A-I-L-I-N-G, stands for finding an important lesson, inviting needed growth. In other words, we don't fail. We just find a better way to do it. And that's what I've done. If I can do it, anybody can. And I want to inspire people to do that.
16:46🔗
Well...
17:28🔗
Gary Busey
Well, I'm working with Dr. Henry Malone on building a church in Plano, Texas. And it's a church of deliverance, which I was delivered from the 14 Spirits of Evil. They're in the Bible that go back, generational curses back to Adam Neeve. We all carry them. Took about nine hours, me and him alone. Wow. And Dr. Henry Malone, Henry Malone wrote a book called Shadow Boxing. I request all the listeners get Shadow Boxing and read it and understand what they're filled with and what they have the ability to unfill themselves with with the deliverance.
18:02🔗
Gary Busey
I'm going where God sends me. I was born in Texas. I grew up in Mount Colombo, but I'm from heaven.
18:22🔗
Adam
Well, whatever it is, it's looking at the ocean. It's not staring an armadillo. That's where my spirit is.
18:30🔗
Oh, who knows?
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We did check.
18:49🔗
Gary Busey
Adam, you should know your blessing because you're working in a good way. You influenced and inspire people, make people like you. Oh, really?
18:58🔗
Stephanie?
19:03🔗
Caller
Okay, whenever I have sex, like towards the end or when I'm finishing, my arms and face usually, well, sometimes it's my whole body, but my arms and hands fall asleep and go completely numb. The other day, I could be paralyzed, like I could not move it at all. And it took like half an hour or an hour to like get all the blood back in it. And so I was able to-
19:40🔗
Drew
For the most part, these kinds of things are caused by breathing excessively, so hyperventilating, and or bearing down too hard. You can even get rhythm disturbance so your heart can slow down. It's something worth looking into, Stephanie, because sometimes there are congenital problems that predispose you to the heart slowing to the point that you go out, you become unconscious. But in all likelihood, this is kind of a normal thing. Gary's had this all the time. Gary, Gary.
20:15🔗
Gary Busey
I'm too. But here's what passion, the source of the word passion comes from the Greek word pathos, and it means pain. So it was actually Mel was making the pain of Christ.
20:26🔗
Gary Busey
Passion is pain. Pain is passion. Welcome to earth. I got three words for you. Welcome to earth.
20:41🔗
Drew
You guys are going down a path that I'm interested in right now. In fact, because I was going to do a thing tomorrow morning and there's been all this press in USA Today and on Yahoo about kids choking one another, but teenagers and young adults getting high by choking each other.
20:55🔗
Drew
Well, they faint, but they actually get that sort of white light experience because they actually go, they actually have the oxygen cut off to their brain temporarily. It's the same thing people do as part of the autoerotic asphyxiation, you know, part of the sexual stuff. And it seems to me that the press has just got this all wrong and is making much ado about nothing. Because we've never heard of this and they're, oh my God, sweeping the nation.
21:15🔗
Drew
But I would be interested if anyone does that, there's all kinds of weird names for it, this sort of choking game. Let me, let us know, call Loveline 1-800-LLVE-1.
21:24🔗
Gary Busey
I had that happen to me playing Little League Ball for Lindbergh Elementary School in Tulsa.
21:30🔗
Gary Busey
Well, no, they didn't choke me, but I think they wrapped their arms around my chest or something and they squeezed me and I just fell flat on my face.
21:42🔗
Drew
It is a little, at least that does induce a low heart rate where you do temporarily have slow flow to the brain, but they're talking about actually strangling around the neck and cutting off the blood supply.
21:55🔗
Drew
Well, that's the point. Apparently, lots of kids are doing this. I have issue, take issue with it being that way.
22:04🔗
Adam
It's kind of refreshing, though. They're not on the sofa playing Nintendo or watching TV.
22:11🔗
Gary Busey
Instead of strangling each other, why don't we pet and be smooth with oils and satin?
22:30🔗
Drew
No, but that's the point. There's a lot of confusion about what they're reporting. Is this something sexual or is it something getting highlights, stiffing glue?
22:37🔗
Adam
Here's the whole thing. Are there any real, you know, these trends that we try to scare us with? I mean, freeway shooting, pit bull attacks.
22:48🔗
It's cyclical.
22:51🔗
Adam
Yeah, but how many freeway shootings? How many shark attacks? How many pit bull attacks? How many do we actually have? As opposed to how many does the news report?
23:07🔗
Drew
It's a normal season. It's actually a little below normal. There are shark attacks every week in this country. They're just not reported in the Gulf, for the most part, and so there they are. But here's the deal. What I made the point to CNN was I said, look, if I haven't heard about it, this isn't a very big deal. We would have heard about it a hundred times if we were big.
23:27🔗
Remember the movie Jaws?
23:33🔗
Adam
Think about a mouth on a great white shark. All those rows of teeth, the jaw opens up 25 inches. Now, you got no arms. You just got those flippers. If I was a shark, I'd be biting everything. Sure.
23:50🔗
Drew
Did you see the scene in Jaws where they pulled the license plate out and the cans and everything? That's you.
23:55🔗
I was just biting.
24:08🔗
Adam
Our mouth is the size of a silver dollar and we got these long arms. We don't do anything. Their mouth size of a trash can lid and they don't have any arms. That's all they can do. I'm surprised they don't eat more stuff.
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Hey. Love line.
25:39🔗
Hello.
25:44🔗
Adam
Gary, oh yeah, different radio show. Gary is in the Celebrity Fit Club 2 on VH1, 10 o'clock.
26:02🔗
Gary Busey
I don't use the word diet. Diet, the word diet has the word die in it. It's a stupid word. It doesn't get you anywhere. It's a negative reflection on your internal consistencies. So what I use is a new way of life in terms of being healthy with yourself. And friends, when you lose that weight, you feel better about yourself. You feel good about everything. And when you take care of your body, the temple God gave us for our spirit and soul to live into. When we take care of that body, we are happy. We are successful and we are doing good and we are inspiring others to take care of themselves.
26:32🔗
Drew
But there is some evidence that caffeine may actually reduce the risk of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. There is actually some amazing health benefits. However, the Cremora we put in here is just like sugar.
26:52🔗
Gary Busey
You know what's good about doing pushups when you're empty? You let a lot of little silent and Freaky farts. Yeah, it's really good. It's like a little, and when you tape that, you put it on an album for nocturnal sleeping.
27:08🔗
Adam
I like the sound of the rainforest myself, but Gary Busey farting should be like, you know.
27:16🔗
Gary Busey
You know, there's little things you can, because you're so relaxed, it comes out like, whee! I, I, whee!
27:29🔗
Adam
I believe all you really have to do in life is pushups. And if they didn't, if they weren't so hard, we wouldn't need all these other pieces of, you know, workout apparatus and all that. As a male, really, as a male, if you just did a s-load of pushups every day, your upper body would be just fine.
27:49🔗
Gary Busey
No, you can't, you had to take some more pushups. It takes tricep work and bench presses for your pecs and it takes ab work.
27:59🔗
Gary Busey
But you need to balance it out so you look like Popeye with the forearms, except to be your biceps. Adam, look at your biceps right now.
28:12🔗
Put you in your place. That's for dessert.
28:18🔗
Gary Busey
They just don't eat in the dark anymore because when you eat in the dark, you'll get sick.
28:23🔗
Yeah. Hey, what's up?
28:27🔗
Caller
I was just calling in about that thing you were talking about choking other people. And I never really did it. Like I've never done it during sex. I've never choked anyone during sex or anything. But a while back ago, my friends and I used to do it just for the heck of it. And you know, we were just like, okay, I don't know where my neighbors found it out from, but they got this idea one time. And they're like, okay, well hold your breath. And then, you know, and then they just, they put their hands like this. They put it where?
29:00🔗
Caller
They put, he put his hands like the bottom of the hand, the palm of the hand, as they touch each other until the fingers are like at the back of your neck. And.
29:10🔗
Adam
It's more, more bad connections. Look, you kids gotta break down and steal yourself a nitrous tank like we did back in the day.
29:18🔗
Adam
What do you think? Are you trapped on an island and you can't find drugs? You know what I mean?
29:42🔗
Drew
No, no, I'm just saying that the kids are pushing the limits, pushing the boundaries of thrill these days.
29:53🔗
Adam
See, Drew knows an asphyxiation thing. Yeah, I'm just wondering in general, I think in life, there's this sort of progression thing. Everyone's supposed to get bigger. Everyone's supposed to get smarter. Everyone's supposed to make more money.
30:07🔗
Adam
Run faster. Everything. I mean, if you think about progress, right? Think about what your parents made a year. Think about what you'd like your kids to make a year. Think about what a house cost 20 years ago, what it costs now, what a car cost 20 years ago. Think about what they did with a basketball 50 years ago. The guy just dropped it in. Now he's taken off from top of the key, you know? I mean, everything is up. It used to be if a guy just did a kick turn in a swimming pool on a skateboard, he was the greatest skateboarder you'd ever seen. Now he's got to jump over the Great Wall of China.
30:42🔗
Adam
I'm wondering if a lot more people aren't going to start getting killed because I don't think our bodies are evolving that fast. There's no difference physiologically between the kid in the 70s and the vans who did the kick turn in the empty swimming pool and the guy who jumped over the Great Wall of China. His bones are the same. You know what I mean? Except one guy's got 80 feet of air, the other guy just got the front trucks out of the swimming pool.
31:07🔗
Gary Busey
One thing about something we must understand, that the word fear, F-E-A-R, that stands for false evidence appearing real.
31:14🔗
Gary Busey
And the word doubt, D-O-U-B-T, stands for debating on understanding bewildering thoughts.
31:24🔗
Gary Busey
Those people who have fear and have doubt have created it themselves. Everyone has a choice to make. We're the only animal that has free will and free choice to be a human animal. We gotta be careful with the choices we make because they might not turn out good in the long run.
31:43🔗
Adam
That's one department the kids have actually slowed down just a little bit and they've reeled it in.
31:48🔗
Gary Busey
Well, the educational services is failing, I feel. Do you know what you see in the road? Usually, when you see a dead lawyer or a dead snake in the road, what do you usually see? You usually see skid marks before the snake.
32:09🔗
Gary Busey
We utilize the money that was promised to us from my good friend Arnold and the governor of the state.
32:21🔗
Gary Busey
Yeah, Arnold's trained me and Franco Clumbo, who trained Arnold for 15 years, been my trainer, Harold Diamond, the kickboxing champion, Mike Mitzker, Mr. Olympia. Wow.
32:31🔗
Drew
That's a different kind of working out, though, right? That's a different kind of working out than you're doing now. Those heavier weights.
32:36🔗
Gary Busey
Yeah, right. Well, right now, I'm doing a lot of aerobics, and muscle weighs more than fat. So I'm losing all the weight I can to win the game. And then I'll start doing maximum muscle failure with weights, which is only 30 minutes a day, two days a week. And it's beautiful.
33:04🔗
Gary Busey
Because it's been, it's been a difficult couple of years. I've been in a dry season. But things are coming up, opening up and opening up, the door is opening up. And I'm in a better, I'm in a different, better place now.
33:16🔗
Adam
Is, is acting sort of, could you sort of equate it to athletes from, let's say the sixties, the seventies?
33:25🔗
Adam
In the sense that, no, back in the day, these guys, pro athletes were not rich, you know, in the seventies, you know, they had a career that lasted eight or ten years. They're not necessarily set for life like, like they would be today. I believe now if you were, and Gary Busey was not the leading man in Hollywood, but he was in the top shelf of male actors for a good period of time, shouldn't you have enough saved up to see you through for the rest of your life?
33:59🔗
Adam
Or would you, if your career started, you know, if right now, if Big Wednesday started tomorrow and you just did the movies you did up until the next 20 years, would you be set for life?
34:21🔗
Oh, all right.
34:27🔗
Gary Busey
But my price is going to go up and I'm back in shape spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically. And that's what counts is taking care of yourself and really liking yourself. Before you can like or love anyone else or help anyone else, you have to do it for yourself first.
34:41🔗
Gary Busey
And that's what Celebrity Fitness is doing for me. And I want to utilize myself being inspired by the show to inspire others.
35:02🔗
Gary Busey
No, I'm not. Acting is the absence of acting. It's believing in the truth of the moment you're in at that time.
35:09🔗
Gary Busey
Excuse me, shut up. Let me tell you what this is. What's the last job? Oh, hey, hey. Acting is the absence of acting. It's believing in the truth of the moment you're creating at that time. Stop.
35:21🔗
Adam
Thank you, baby. No, I'm saying, what was your last? No. What was your last job that was not in act? And I don't want to say acting. That was not in a movie or television, not in Hollywood. What was your last job at a donut shop? Your last job at a department store?
35:36🔗
Gary Busey
My father was a construction design manager for Safeway Stores in Oklahoma, Arkansas and Kansas. So I did heavy labor finishing concrete, tying steel, digging ditches, forming concrete. That's what I did in my, when I had a spring break from college, I came home and went to heavy labor. Right. And I got paid $2.05 an hour and I thought I had it. That was it, man. I had made it. That was great.
36:04🔗
Gary Busey
Yeah. The rest has been traveling, rock and roll and making movies and doing events and television and coming on here.
36:20🔗
Gary Busey
I played a mental retard that was to hit Leif Erikson in the Face with a Stick While I Was Sleeping. But I was trained by James Best, Camera Technique and Film Awareness, where I ended up with seven lines in three days work because I know what to do technically. And a great thing for all you new actors out there, they're getting a job. When you have your first job, your first job, go up to the department head of everyone on the set, the head of the department of the property people, the camera people, the lighting people, the sound people, and tell them, I'm very happy to be here and I want you to know, let me know if there's anything I can do to help you. And when the crew hears a new person saying that, they come out and they just embrace this guy or this girl who's there for the comment of the film that's being made or the story that's being made. And that's humble. The ingredients of a leader is being humble with humility.
37:21🔗
Adam
Steel trap, baby. Don't let the pot fool you. Tasha knows somebody who was actually died from this choking game. Tasha?
37:30🔗
Yeah.
37:36🔗
Caller
Well, somebody had told my friend about the choking game at the school in Napa and actually she was in her closet trying to actually pull this stunt and she fell and she passed out and she woke up and she started kicking and she knocked over the ladder that she was standing on to help her stand up.
38:14🔗
Gary Busey
It could have been a mental suicide. She was unconscious of it and she completed it without thought.
38:31🔗
Caller
Yes, she was choking herself with her brother. They were, I don't know what they were technically doing.
39:11🔗
Adam
Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. All right. Is this more popular now than ever, or what's up? Did you hear about your other friends doing this?
39:22🔗
Caller
No. After she died, everybody just kind of stopped doing it, but it is starting to kind of get more popular.
39:57🔗
Adam
Well, or hand over the, whatever it is, I gotta get, I gotta trade in your rope for dope.
40:03🔗
That's basically rope for dope.
40:09🔗
Adam
And it's not just, you know, it's not just hemp rope or just anchor rope or anything. I'll use cords, extension cords, belts, anything you can hang yourself with, twine, anything you got.
40:26🔗
Mark? Oh, yeah, hello?
40:31🔗
Caller
Long time listener, first time caller. I used to do that back in the day when I was a teenager. But we didn't call it... I was just called California Dream back in the day. And it wasn't actually choking. What it was is the person would squat down on their haunches and hyperventilate for approximately 10 minutes.
41:04🔗
Drew
But, well, mammals in general have a tendency to try to self-stimulate. The dolphins will, you know, they'll...
41:39🔗
Drew
This is the people who are sick, that have identified this basic urge to alter. There is a definite urge to stimulate and alter our central nervous system. However, what it ends up being is people that need to regulate. That impulse is much stronger. They're trying to feel better.
42:05🔗
Gary Busey
But you know, the first time you do it, the next time you do it, you will never receive the first high you get. It will never come back to you that way. You're just chasing your tail that belongs to the devil.
42:17🔗
Adam
But if you think about things like dreaming and you think about sex and you think about roller coasters and you think about 20 foot waves and you think about going to a science fiction movie.
42:39🔗
Drew
Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? More than 50 grand, by the way. Humans came out of a very violent era.
42:44🔗
Adam
You close your eyes every night in these crazy, elaborate, vivid things go on in your head. What about you?
42:55🔗
Adam
I had a truth where my grandmother and my mother were trying to beat me with my scrotum sack in a swimming pool a few years ago.
43:03🔗
Gary Busey
That's how you feel about yourself because your grandmother and your mother are really you in the dream. Everybody in the dream is a part of you.
43:28🔗
Adam
61 years crazy. I mean young, everybody. We will take ourselves a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Loveline, we'll be right back.
44:05🔗
Adam
Everyone loves Gary Busey. Gary Busey is almost turning into a George Foreman career-wise. Maybe people were scared of him in the past, but now he's so lovable, you just want to squeeze him.
44:20🔗
Gary Busey
You know, Adam, thank you for saying that, because that's true. I was very difficult, belligerent, and stupid, and didn't care for anything, especially myself. But I've come through that to see there ain't nothing to it when you get through it, and then you can consider other people's feelings first, and really have fun doing what you do.
44:35🔗
Adam
I was saying to Drew the other night, I think guys get better with age, and women get meaner with age. Guys, you know, we've had guys come through here, in the time that we've been here, Drew.
44:47🔗
Adam
We've seen guys go from their mid-20s, maybe late-20s, testosterone-laden, aggressive, chip on the shoulder, something to prove to middle-30s, early-40s, laid-back, comfortable in their own skin.
45:12🔗
Gary Busey
That's because men are the first ones who are feeling... The first thing a man does not want to do, does not want to happen to him is being rejected or abandoned.
45:23🔗
Adam
Yeah, well, I don't know why you have to be in a hole in order to avoid being rejected or abandoned.
45:30🔗
Adam
Right, right. I'm just saying guys are so much better when they mellow out a little bit, and they get a few years and some experience, and they get a little bit humble.
45:45🔗
Adam
They admit they made a mistake or two, and they don't want to spend the second part of their life pissing people off. Or kicking ass or getting their ass kicked or whatever. However it works, eventually, it's either you get your nose broke or you break your hand.
46:01🔗
Gary Busey
One thing about my essence is that I've never been in a fistfight in my life, but I played football and I made action movies.
46:11🔗
Gary Busey
Yeah, that's fine. Snapping sternums, man, that's great. Let's see. I snapped the sternum with my forehead and moved my head up and loosened their teeth. Help them up off the ground, tell them I'll be right back.
46:29🔗
Gary Busey
I was a linebacker in the center. I could snap the ball 30 yards into a bushel basket.
46:35🔗
Gary Busey
I do the long snap and we had a high school offense where I would snap ahead of the back. I would snap ahead of the right halfback. He would have two steps on the defense. He would catch a ball in front of him two yards and we had a hit and a critical.
47:01🔗
Gary Busey
Well, this was in the early 60s. Then I went to Coffeyville, Kansas Junior College, Kansas State College, and Oklahoma State University.
47:17🔗
Adam
We're gonna start focusing when we come back. Gary Busey here. We'll be right back after this.
47:45🔗
Gary Busey
This is Gary Busey speaking for Adam and Dr. Drew. And we're glad you're here. Call us up and let us know something you're doing that we don't know. We can tell you how to do it and how to get out of it. Thank you very much.
47:56🔗
Drew
Yes, Drew. Two things. A, I know Adam is having the time of his life here because he can just sit back and let Gary run.
48:05🔗
Drew
I've seen Gary in action, and I've decided the way to deal with him is like the way you deal with an oncoming bear. Just roll, give him a fetal petition, put your hands over your head, just roll up. That's it.
48:14🔗
Adam
Now I think you should flap your arms and try to be bigger than you are. Yeah. Gary just attacked me when I...
48:22🔗
Gary Busey
It wasn't an attack. It was a great game called Thelon P. And you people out there that want to play tickling P, there's a tickler and the tickly. Well, the tickler is going to tickle the tickly. And the tickly has to let him, the tickly has to let the tickler tickle him for 45 seconds. If that tickly pees in 45 seconds, he wins or she wins a set of luggage and a chocolate bunny. It is a great party game.
48:44🔗
Adam
The joke's on Gary because I... He's an attractive, look, I'm a big fan. I mean, I've...
48:54🔗
I saw a big one.
49:01🔗
Gary Busey
Which is homosexual, talking to heterosexuals, and God bless the homosexuals. They're doing great out there.
49:12🔗
There's nothing you could do.
49:42🔗
Drew
For those at home, it's pretty fascinating. It's sad. Gary has come across the studio. Those are my nipples. And has attacked Adam. Running his hands all over his body.
50:30🔗
Adam
You know, the thing that's weird, I haven't been after it in a long time. You know, my whole life, I used to just be getting abused when my buddy's in the valley. It's been a while.
50:43🔗
Adam
When felt up by celebrity, though, I was picturing like a Jennifer Connelly or maybe Jennifer Aniston in my mind when I thought physically felt up by celebrity.
51:03🔗
Adam
If somebody would have said, though, if somebody would have said to me like one week ago, one week from now, you'll have a major celebrity put their hands all over you. And run them across your thighs and your chest. I would have been like, oh, boy, this is going to be awesome.
51:22🔗
I wasn't picturing Gary Busey. You did really good.
51:28🔗
Gary Busey
By the way, I'd like the audience to know out there that Adam did not pee, so he did not win the luggage or the chocolate bunny.
51:35🔗
Gary Busey
You have to pee to win, yeah. It'd be good to just pee and get it over with. Just eat the bunny and go.
51:51🔗
Gary Busey
Oh, sorry. I feel like I'm in my living room with these two, yeah, these two, these two pioneers. These two pioneers are microwaving.
52:49🔗
Adam
But they caught on to it. Yeah, Gary, I want to replace. I want to replace the summer pool game Marco Polo with Adam Corolla.
53:02🔗
Adam
You know, instead of that Marco Polo crap, you know what I mean? That would be my legacy.
53:11🔗
Gary Busey
No, it's not going to be that. I don't know what this is. Is this kind of manufacturing?
53:14🔗
Adam
Well, what this is, what no, what this is, is Gary, his legacy is his body of work. Yes. He has all his great films.
53:57🔗
Drew
Perfect. There we go. There's that impulse again. Yeah, the reason you think about that.
54:19🔗
Gary Busey
Well, stripping in Canada when you're 16, is that the only way you can get out of your home situation?
55:07🔗
Drew
There you go. That's physical abuse. It's those kids that are physically abused leave home. If there's not abuse in the home, people don't leave. Kids don't leave. They live. They leave when they're being abused. So the whole impulse.
55:19🔗
Drew
It all. Well, it's usually explicit abuse. Emotional abuse gives them the sort of motivation. The explicit abuse makes sure that it actually happens.
55:26🔗
Adam
Right. All right. And is your is your mother and father still married? Or is this a stepdad or what happened?
55:58🔗
Adam
Yeah. We're going to go to Canada. You're going to start stripping and then you're going to get into drugs and then you're going to meet some unsavory people who are going to take advantage of you because your age and the next thing you know you're going to be working parties and you're going to have a hundred Asian businessmen on top of you at once. Oh, wow. You're going to be doing porn and you're going to get pregnant and you're going to get venereal disease and you're going to get strung out and then a very short year and a half. You're going to be a complete disaster.
56:27🔗
Drew
I was thinking over the weekend how to talk to kids like this. We had a couple of these last week and they're going, well, I don't see what the big problem is. Remember that one was doing pornography and she was gleeful about it?
56:36🔗
Drew
And I thought, you know, I think the only way they can understand this, because that story you just told is factual, but they're like, oh yeah, not me, man. You don't understand. It's me we're talking about here.
56:44🔗
Drew
So let's just say, Michelle, it takes a piece of your soul away from you. Can you understand that?
56:57🔗
Drew
That actually might enhance your soul as a matter of fact. That actually gives people character.
57:05🔗
Adam
Everyone, let me do a little Gary Busey-esque preaching to my flock for just one second. You people underestimate the worth of being hungry. If you get a job at 16 where you're making 500 bucks a night, you ain't hungry. And you will just flatline until eventually your boobs get too saggy to go back out on stage and then you got nothing in the bank. You got to be hungry. Everybody who's successful, and I don't care what line of business they're in, at one point was hungry. And started in the mail room. This kid is starving over here. He's like a Biafra. He hasn't eaten in years, this kid. He is hungry. He is piranha like hungry.
57:51🔗
Adam
Piranha that did a bong load. That's how hungry engineer Chris is. You need to be hungry. If it's too early, too often, too much, too soon, you lose that. If somebody kicks off and leaves you a trust fund and you get a few million bucks at 18, look at all the people, you know, just think about the people you've known in your life that had a wad of money come their way at 18. Up their nose, cars, nothing. They didn't learn anything. They weren't hungry. You have to be forged by life.
58:21🔗
Drew
It's not even just about the being hungry. It's also the discipline of doing crappy-esque. You don't want to do the long periods of time and doing well at it and moving up.
58:30🔗
Adam
That's it. And so if you get in the 500 bucks a night at 16 is not only bad for your spirit, but it hurts your muscles.
58:41🔗
Adam
You don't get strong. You have to develop those muscles. If someone, it's sort of the equivalent to you playing a sport and everyone just falling down and letting you run into the end zone. They're not doing you a favor. You don't develop those muscles. And if you don't develop those muscles before the age, in your early 20s, you just take it right to the grave. You just go to the grave. Those years between 16, 17, up to like 21, 22, those were those are the years you have to forge those and really work those muscles. This ain't the way to do it.
59:25🔗
Your name is Bell?
59:36🔗
Adam
What's that? Yeah. We have 65-year-old women with thyroid problems and question marks around their sexuality. Shoes without laces that you work with are named Bell, but not 20-year-old or nubile young chicks from Berkeley. Is there someone in your family named Bell?
1:00:13🔗
Adam
If you went to high school, I don't understand why you don't have a diploma. Well, it's kind of like, eh, you just move on. As a guy, we never had that... It'd be like, hey, Hole, why are you laughing? I'll finish the story. It'd be nice as a guy just to be able to pull out that chuckle card and move forward. Kicks you into the next...
1:01:10🔗
Caller
Okay. My question is in regard to what Dr. Drew just said a minute ago about how if you're hit with hangers, that's child abuse?
1:01:19🔗
Drew
Objects, yes. Hit with objects is considered physical abuse, and it's been well documented what the effect is of that on the central nervous system.
1:01:29🔗
Drew
It changes the way people regulate their emotion. And if you're a child who wants to leave home, who's intent upon leaving the house, you can predict with very great accuracy that there's been some abuse, physical or sexual, and physical is a very common form. That's not what's making her want to leave right now. All the emotional chaos is making her want to leave. But when kids have been physically abused, sexually abused, that's when they do leave. Those are the kids that leave.
1:01:56🔗
Caller
I actually, my question was in regards to what Dr. Drew thought about the common practice of like stanking and hitting with objects, particularly hands.
1:02:06🔗
Drew
I'm not for it. I refer you to a work of a guy named Alan Shor, S-C-H-O-R-E. You can get some of his publication online. It talks about the effect of abuse on brain development. And you'll see how that works.
1:02:19🔗
Adam
Yeah, I'm wondering, trying to think of the folks, and I don't know how the Middle Eastern cats do with their kids, but I think there's a lot of ass-whooping going on over there.
1:02:34🔗
Adam
You end up in prison later on in life because you get into an argument with someone at a fast food restaurant. Next thing you know, you're hitting them on the head with a tray because in your world, that's how you interact. And now you're in jail.
1:02:48🔗
Drew
It affects how aggression develops. It affects how emotional regulation occurs. You can't regulate and it affects the ability to develop empathy.
1:02:56🔗
Gary Busey
One thing about emotions, you cannot control your emotions, but you can manage them.
1:03:02🔗
Adam
Yeah. Well, I'd like to see a study of places in the world, cultures, whatever, that do the most beating on their kids and see how the prison population is and see what percentage and all that kind of stuff.
1:03:16🔗
Adam
I do think that a lot of the problem in certain cultures, especially in the Middle East, is there's a lot of ass whooping early and often. And whenever they go back and look at these guys like, well, Saddam Hussein had a stepdad who did this to him. And then he had an uncle that was very aggressive.
1:03:35🔗
Adam
Well, they learned by the age of 10 that violence is the way to resolve conflict. And then they have no problem gassing a few thousand curds.
1:03:47🔗
Gary Busey
Well, one thing about this, once you've chosen your behavior, you've already chosen your consequences.
1:03:52🔗
Drew
I like that. Yeah, aggression and that kind of stuff against kids is an interesting phenomena. But we worked out so much of how it affects kids now. Why would we?
1:04:01🔗
Drew
Yeah, be nice to stop. We now know it has profound effects. It affects the capacity for emotional development.
1:04:09🔗
Adam
But how about you beat the crap out of... I mean, let's just take it a step further, which is we now make the correlation between what you do to your kid physically and what that kid does to society physically. So now, when you beat the crap out of your kid and then your kid shows up to the eighth grade and starts beating the crap out of my kid, now you're liable for it.
1:04:29🔗
Drew
If you don't believe this, try that kind of familiar action. Try that kind of discipline on a puppy or a kitten and see what you get when they grow up. Just go ahead and do that. Do what you do to the kid on a kitten and see what that cat's like when it's an adult.
1:04:53🔗
Adam
Corolla. It must be Lewis because you grew up rich and you're calling from the Palisades. If you're a poor and you're calling from San Fernando, it would be Luis.
1:05:03🔗
Adam
Yeah, man. Definitely. No, I'm just... Like you said, alright, this is how the trust deal works, alright? My dad died.
1:05:10🔗
How does it work?
1:05:13🔗
Adam
Yeah, my dad died when I was two of lung cancer and, incidentally, he never smoked a cigarette in his life.
1:05:39🔗
Adam
And the thing is, you don't get like the whole amount of it at 18. He divided it so that like I would get a monthly check of around $3,000 as it's coming right now. And then when I hit 21, you get a third of what's left of the balance.
1:05:59🔗
Adam
Well, the point is that, you know, when you, you know, when you talk about these rich kids, I already affected his education, obviously.
1:06:05🔗
Adam
Yeah. When you're talking about these rich kids, you know, getting all this money at 18, there's not necessarily being handed to them all at once. The kids, I actually know some kids who got it, actually got half of their trust all at once.
1:06:22🔗
Drew
Yeah. And not only that, by the way, I see. Maybe we weren't talking about those kids, by the way. Luis makes a very compelling point, by the way, very valid, that there's nobody that receives a lot of money.
1:06:34🔗
Adam
And by the way, when you're 18 and you're getting three grand a month, That's huge. You're done.
1:06:37🔗
Gary Busey
That is huge. Yeah, that's great. You should be counting your blessings, aren't you?
1:07:01🔗
Adam
Yeah. Well, I was... I've had a hard childhood. Like when my dad died, stepdad moved in. The name is Jerry and my mom and him have just been fighting a lot on and off. They got married when I was 11.
1:07:53🔗
Drew
What'd you get in your SAT? I made a point by this. He didn't take his SATs, the whole point. He's not never going to college. This is ridiculous.
1:08:06🔗
Drew
Now, here is somebody who's blaming his past, but the reality is he's been cut off the knees by the present.
1:08:17🔗
Adam
Well, my point was when you take a young male especially, but females too in this day and age of equality.
1:08:28🔗
Adam
Give them too much too early. They lose their hunger and they need to be humble. You need to be humble and build yourself up. Not think you're better than you are at 17.
1:08:39🔗
Drew
Or not think that when two guys are talking about other people on the radio, they're talking about you. And not think that you're gonna someday go to college but not take the SATs.
1:08:55🔗
Adam
By the way, everyone has been set up that way in the last 25 years, pretty much. All those wills where they leave money.
1:09:06🔗
Adam
Yeah, I know, but here's the thing. If someone leaves you 10 million bucks and you get half of it when you're 18, still a decent chunk of change.
1:09:22🔗
Adam
I just think it's tough and then what you have to do is, Drew, because you got a few ducats in the bank and you got a couple of sons, then you get to that point where you can't or won't get them things that they know are within your means. You know what I mean?
1:10:02🔗
Caller
When she does it to me, and actually she hasn't done it in over a year. Said she would do it once in a while, maybe once a year, but even before she started not doing it, she wasn't very good at it. She only did it a few times.
1:10:14🔗
Caller
I think part of the problem is like when we first had sex, it was only the third time she had ever had sex, and she was 28 at the time. He says that she doesn't like it.
1:10:28🔗
Adam
All right. Well, look, there's something here. Either she's a devout Christian or her stepdad forced her to perform oral on him when she was 13 and she's not talking about it.
1:10:52🔗
Caller
She had sex in college and she had another boyfriend between then. Then I was like one of her.
1:11:22🔗
Caller
Okay, I promise this is true. My girlfriend is very smart. She's very well together. She's even a teacher, right?
1:11:39🔗
Adam
A college degree never helped in the oral department. You know what I mean? It actually, it's a hindrance. It's like saying, oh, the guy's got a college degree, therefore he must be a great heavyweight.
1:11:55🔗
Drew
And then why? Because it's just like how it tastes, but he's never offered to not ejaculate.
1:11:59🔗
Is that-
1:12:21🔗
Drew
See, Justin, that sounds so bogus. It's just that either you're incredible in 19- You're waiting a year and you're desperately waiting and you've never thought of that? It's like, come on.
1:12:47🔗
Drew
No, we can't say that. Here's the deal, you can not- She can go until, you know, not getting a full dose.
1:13:00🔗
Drew
And then finally, this may be something that she has an aversion to for whatever reason.
1:13:08🔗
Drew
You know, I have talked to a few patients when this has happened, when they were like caretakers of sick, you know, if sick parents for a little many years and sort of the whole thing about you. You know, to freak them out because they were cleaning them up and stuff.
1:13:20🔗
Drew
And so there may be, whatever is traumatizing to her and you're going to have to respect that.
1:13:35🔗
Gary Busey
One thing a lot of people don't know is that your mind has the ability to make 15,000 decisions in one second. Just make sure your mind is clear when you're thinking about others. Wow.
1:13:53🔗
Adam
Gary Busey in studio tonight. We've got a big fan who's waiting on hold for Gary. We'll talk to you after this.
1:14:08🔗
Drew
Loveline is brought to you by the American Legacy Foundation. Truth promoting well-informed decisions since 1999.
1:14:20🔗
Adam
Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, 1-800-LOVE-191, Gary Busey. The always entertaining, the provocative, the thought-provoking Gary Busey.
1:14:32🔗
Adam
The unpredictable Gary Busey in studio tonight. Celebrity Fit Club 2 on VH1 is his show. Now, when they approached you to do this, were you gung-ho, or did you think, man, I want to protect myself or?
1:14:47🔗
Gary Busey
It was very much a surprise to be paid to be training. And I took it on. I said, this would be lovely for me because I weighed 220 pounds and just went through a teeth, a teeth, tooth surgery. And I said, wow, this is great. This is a blessing from God. I'm going to do it. The show has inspired me to take care of myself so much that I want to be inspiring to others.
1:15:13🔗
Gary Busey
No, no, it's two and a half months shooting. We only shoot on Saturday and Sunday and sometimes Friday.
1:15:19🔗
Gary Busey
I don't train. I train lightly every day because muscle weighs more than fat and I'm here to go down the road. I've already, I reached my goal weight set by the paddle five weeks ago and I'm still going down because there's a team who weighs the least wins.
1:15:45🔗
Adam
Drew, this is a group of people attempting to lose the most combined amount of weight.
1:15:52🔗
Adam
Unlike that other show you mentioned where it was a group of people attempting to lose the most combined amount of weight.
1:16:03🔗
Gary Busey
Jackie A, who was on Sister Sister, one of Amy's several years ago. Delight. Victoria Jackson, who was on Saturday Night Live.
1:16:14🔗
Gary Busey
Yes. Takara Takara is a lady who's a big woman model. Janney Janney is the lead singer for a group called Warrenton. His big hit record was Cherry Pie.
1:16:46🔗
Gary Busey
Well see you gotta watch it cause I can't tell you what goes on the show. There's changes going on along to keep it alive.
1:16:51🔗
Adam
I just saw that Gary was yelling at the Snapple Lady. He was trying to get a little prayer going and she wanted a little non-denominational stuff.
1:17:08🔗
Adam
Not since Max Bear as a Jew has been so prolific in the ring. All right, you ready to rock?
1:17:38🔗
Caller
Yeah, but I've watched you on the big screen forever. And at first I got to find out something from you, Gary.
1:17:45🔗
Gary Busey
That was Buddy Holly, the Buddy Holly story. That was a pure and definite characterization that I did without acting or anything. I just went up and listened and talked.
1:18:01🔗
Gary Busey
That year was Warren Beatty for Heaven Can Wait, Bobby De Niro for Dear Hunter, Lars Olivier from Boys of Brazil and John Boyd for coming home and me for Buddy Holly.
1:18:17🔗
Adam
An ever shrinking Busey ass, I might add as well. A new road mark right here in the studio.
1:18:24🔗
Adam
I see. I've said this before about when like Val Kilmer played Jim Morrison. I thought he did a great job.
1:18:32🔗
Adam
And I thought Gary Busey did a great job playing Buddy Holly. And I've said that it's a much taller order to play somebody that everyone is familiar with. I mean, impossible is, is, is, is non-actors, Drew. You could see.
1:18:46🔗
Gary Busey
Well, Buddy Holly's story was the first musical done live. I sang those songs and played them. Yeah. Well, that will be the day when you say goodbye. That will be the day.
1:19:10🔗
Adam
Drew, if somebody said to you, if someone said, you're going to have to play Hanger Vietnam Vets, confined to a wheelchair, or you're going to have to play someone like Richard Nixon.
1:19:34🔗
Drew
I agree, and here's the big, I think that one of the acting sort of myths is much harder to play yourself, though, Adam. Yeah. That's absolutely the world's hardest thing.
1:19:55🔗
Adam
21, yeah. So Gary, it's Buddy Holly, hands down, for you. Well, you were in Gumball Rally, too, right?
1:20:06🔗
Gary Busey
I went through the Holland Tunnel going 120 miles an hour with three Panavision cameras strapped on the front of the car in and out of 27 cars which was controlled by Stuntman. I'm very happy to be alive. Thank you.
1:20:28🔗
Gary Busey
Lee the Weapon one. Yeah. Mr. Joshua would walk through his grandmother's blood to get a poster stamp and never even look at her.
1:20:37🔗
Adam
Gary, is there any possible way, and I know this is asking a lot, I can get an autographed picture of you?
1:21:01🔗
Gary Busey
To an agency called Innovative Agency in Santa Monica. Innovative, I-N-N-O-V-A-T-I-V-E. And made it to that under my name and they'll get it to me. I'll sign it and flip it back to you.
1:21:17🔗
Adam
Cause I'll explain something about celebrities. Lazy. No, here's the thing. Somebody sent us a postcard recently that had their address on it and had stamps on it. All we had to do was sign it and throw it in the mail. When you're starting to lick envelopes and fill out addresses, that's when you get really lazy.
1:22:13🔗
Gary Busey
Well, I'm very unavailable to, I'm focusing on my career and my spirituality and my help for others and what I'm doing here. And I'm not available to have a relationship with a woman. In fact, the word relationship, here's what it stands for. Really exciting love affair, it turns into nightmare, sobriety hangs in peril.
1:22:31🔗
Gary Busey
Where on the other hand, we have romance. These are Buseyisms. Romance stands for relying on magnificent and necessary compatible energy. That's romance, that's much better. So I'm just caring for my family and mankind and myself. And I'm not interested in having a, playing games, playing the female male gender game of teasing and punching buttons and manipulating and confusion.
1:22:58🔗
Adam
And I could imagine a few tumultuous relationships with Gary Busey, especially back in the day. Oh, during the drug days.
1:23:07🔗
Gary Busey
Oh no, I was, I was, You were no picnic back then. No, but I wouldn't know when you do, when you do cocaine, you get a CD and that won't get up and they get big. Right.
1:23:20🔗
Adam
Yeah. Yeah. But still, if they're, if they cared about you, it had to be a difficult time.
1:23:30🔗
Gary Busey
That's not, yeah. I'm very close to my former wife, Judy Busey, the mother of my great son, Jake. We're very close. We're very bonded still. And I was in, I was in heavy cocaine use and abused myself and the family and had to leave, had to depart. I departed on my own, but it was a vicious, it was a great decision I made because God took me to a place where I had to find out on my own who I was, what I was here for and to get rid of the self-ordained suicide that I was doing, destructing, destructing myself.
1:24:06🔗
Gary Busey
I OD'd on May the 3rd, 1995, and my girlfriend insisted on coming to Texas with me that day. She found me and that girlfriend ended up being my second wife, Teonie Morton Busey.
1:24:17🔗
Gary Busey
She found me in my house, in the back of my house. I was doing a golf tour with Troy Eggman that morning in Dallas and she wanted to fly to Malibu with me. She said she had a dream, something's going to happen, and when something did, I O.D.ed. She called 911 and I'm alive today.
1:24:37🔗
Gary Busey
And I went out and I went to Cathedral City, California, Charter Hospital for 28 days and they nailed me down, smashed my ego.
1:25:05🔗
Adam
What would happen? He just, wait, how would he do? Do you aspirate or something on your own?
1:25:09🔗
Drew
It depends on the problem, whether he's having arrhythmias or aspiration, something like that.
1:25:20🔗
Gary Busey
And it was going, and they gave me a drug that paralyzed me. When I heard him say his fiance found, they found cocaine in his pocket. His fiance was there. I went, Oh my God, I'm going. I felt like I was going to go right into death store, laying there for like 10 seconds, but then it started.
1:25:36🔗
Drew
That is the thing you and I were talking about earlier. When people doing drugs believe they're going to die, that's when they're ready to get better.
1:25:42🔗
Gary Busey
Ah, thank you. Well, we completed a circle there. I say to everyone out there, stop doing drugs now. Stop it right now, because you're killing yourself, and you're not assembling the worth of your ingredients by taking your own life.
1:25:57🔗
Adam
We will, good words to take a break on. Gary Busey in studio tonight. Engineer Chris is, by the way, never been exposed. He's never got a dose of Busey before. He's never been abused.
1:26:18🔗
Adam
Play some Tickle and Pee with the Engineer Chris. He will pee. Give him a little shot.
1:26:44🔗
Adam
All right, all right, let's take ourselves a little... No, but he said, engineer Chris was like, I've never, Gary, Gary's great, he's great. I said, yeah, yeah, he's been done the show a few times, sure, he's always great. Wow. So I guess he didn't know he's going to be physically assaulted.
1:27:04🔗
Adam
But you've not been here since the great Gary Busey's been in studio. All right, well, something to tell your grandkids about.
1:27:22🔗
Adam
Ready for something new? We'll try Durex Tingle and Condoms. There's sex and then there's Durex. Yeah, everybody, it's Loveline, Gary Busey.
1:27:40🔗
Gary Busey
I know, the motor's always on. I've learned that idle is a great place to be. And I don't mean Billy Idle or American Idle, but the idle of, no, you're not in gear. You're just humming.
1:28:06🔗
Gary Busey
Well, you know burping is law in Texas. Burping is law in Texas. And if the camera catches you out and you're not burping, the burp patrol will come get you and you go to burp counseling. I love burping. Burping in public was created by the Texas Rangers.
1:28:24🔗
Gary Busey
Chris, Chris, what you do when you're working with me, you pray for the best, prepare for the worst and expect the unexpected.
1:28:43🔗
Caller
I get panic attacks. I, it's been a year since I've been single and I meet guys and I dig them a lot. And then I go out on dates and I can't make it through the date. I have to leave and I make up some crazy excuse.
1:29:02🔗
Gary Busey
Cynthia, is that, is this a panic attack from a past experience you've had probably? So you want to get out of it before you think it might go bad because of the familiarity of the past?
1:29:13🔗
Drew
Or is it the date being with a guy or is it being in sort of public places, open spaces?
1:29:28🔗
Drew
Just when you're on a date you have one. Is there anything else going? Do you smoke a lot of pot? Have you ever done the Speed or GHB? You drink. Are you drinking when you go out with these guys?
1:29:54🔗
Adam
Drew, panic attacks, they're not necessarily connected to trauma from the past, are they?
1:30:01🔗
Drew
They're usually some, in my way of interpreting them, they're usually some deficiency of emotional regulation. However, there's a whole school of anxiety as a behavior.
1:30:15🔗
Gary Busey
I give them, I don't have them. I don't see, there's no reason to really panic. There's no reason to panic, because you're creating your own panic.
1:30:27🔗
Adam
That's what I'm saying, I think he deals out panic attacks, I don't think he collects them.
1:30:30🔗
Gary Busey
I'll tell you what, what I love to do is get dressed in the dark, and eat in the dark, and that keeps me from causing panic to others.
1:30:36🔗
Drew
But Cynthia, the deal is though, I think what you're describing is almost more of a phobia than panic.
1:30:44🔗
Drew
You have these phobic reactions to dating, and that does actually lend itself to sort of behavioral interventions, sort of basically learning how to have an experience with a male without panicking. And it's almost like fear of flying or anything else when you've got to go out and do it a few times and do it without the panic, and the behavior sort of extinguishes on its own.
1:31:05🔗
Drew
Well, go out and, really- No, no, this is to get on the horse, get out there and have dates, sort of make yourself do it.
1:31:29🔗
Drew
Like, are you afraid the guy's going to rape you or something, or are you going to be helpless or powerless?
1:31:36🔗
Caller
I'm not going to give you a crush that I want to give. I'm afraid that I won't meet. Especially if it's somebody that I really like. I feel like as soon as he gets to know me, it's going to be all over.
1:31:50🔗
Gary Busey
Have some more dates. I'm not going to say anything else because I heard the word cut.
1:31:53🔗
Adam
You know, it's a weird thing. Let me ask you this, though. How does this work? You know, you hear about sometimes these celebrities getting panic attacks. You hear about Donny Osmond. You know, he does 5000 performances of Nardo and the Raincoat, whatever the hell he's doing. And then on the 5001st one, all of a sudden, he can't go out on stage. And I never have panic attacks, but I've done, I did Politically Incorrect 25 times. And I think on the 26th time I went out there, I got up in my head a little bit. I started like thinking they were announcing and now on the show and I started, and then once I started thinking about it, I like started getting clammy and sweaty.
1:32:36🔗
Drew
And you never know. How does that work though? It's sometime, it's maybe some psychological, something triggers an insecurity, but more often than not, it's something you're really not aware of. Like you drank too much of your medicine the night before. So that sort of opens that. So basically your brain has a predisposition towards panic. So when it starts getting anxious, it flows down a path into biology of panic.
1:33:15🔗
Adam
There's a part where you just get in your head where you have an idea and it's a horrible idea and now you can't rinse it free of your brain. You know.
1:33:25🔗
Gary Busey
If you can't rinse it free from your brain, you're not using the right soap and water.
1:34:24🔗
Adam
I'm just going to go to the chiropractor, get realigned, and then Gary can come back and play the tickle game on me again.
1:34:42🔗
Gary Busey
I mean the snap on. You know what? That's a good idea. I'll play Tickle P. Creative Consultant, Adam Corolla.
1:34:49🔗
Adam
A little extendo break. Until next time, this is Adam Corolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or the station. The producer for Loveline is Aningold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.