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Loveline is meant for an adult audience. Loveline may contain sexually-oriented content. Sexually-oriented content. Listener discretion is advised. Listener discretion is advised. This is Loveline. With Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew.
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Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Dr. Drew. Adam Carolla is once again having technical problems. The phone number here is 1-800-LOVE-191. And tonight we welcome into the studio a dear, dear, dear, dear friend of the show, Debbie Gibson.
1:35🔗
Drew
It has been a while. Last time we saw you, I think we went and visited you at the set of Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamco.
1:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yes, you came to see my show. We dragged Adam kicking and screaming to his very first musical.
1:58🔗
Drew
Now, you've graduated from the teen idol image to some more sophisticated. Yeah, Adam, what's happening, dude?
2:20🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'm on my cell phone. I'm in North. I'm in North Carolina. Now, the reason I'm not on the phone that's in my hotel room is because that was disconnected so they could hook up the ISDN line, which worked flawlessly a few hours ago.
3:21🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, I haven't run into anybody. The town is empty. I think they're fumigating or something.
3:29🔗
Drew
Well, listen, you've got to... Unfortunately, you're not here to look at this playboy that Debbie's in. Amazing.
3:41🔗
Debbie Gibson
And got a nice cranial and retina full of it. So I actually brought it with me on the plane. I mean, not the actual playboy, but the memory of Debbie Nankin in it.
4:20🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I actually had been writing the song before the call from Playboy came in. And Playboy had been approaching me over the years from the time I was like 17, jail-baked. And I was writing this song and it's very much about just kind of being who you are with no apologies and putting it out there no matter what kind of no matter what the consequences and no matter what the reward in a way. And it's really about that in the context of a relationship but it could be about anything. And for me lately that's kind of been a metaphor for my life. I feel like I've I reached some kind of point in my 30s where I just suddenly really didn't care what people thought anymore which is such a great freeing feeling and I know so many women who do playboy use the words freeing and empowering but it really is because it's not about just about the nudity it's about kind of breaking your own rules and saying you know what I know I said I would never do this but if you say you're never going to do something 15 years ago does that mean you have to stick with it if you actually change your mind.
5:19🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well that's the thing I waited till I was 34 I feel like you know I don't have any 10 year old fans anymore.
5:32🔗
Drew
And you're not a kid who doesn't quite understand what she's getting into or what the implications are going to be or a life ahead of you what are you going to tell your kids kind of thing.
5:40🔗
Debbie Gibson
No it seemed like a perfect time for all those reasons and also for that reason too is that I'm not married I don't have kids of my own at this point it just seemed like this perfect window in my life to do it so I'm sorry but no go ahead did you go into like training like you know I mean if you knew how far in advance did you know do you know I only knew three and a half weeks before the shoot no way yeah so it you know I was already doing spinning and Pilates and all of my normal stuff that I do but you know I'm a girl like I go up five pounds or down five pounds and I made it my mission to train and to look good but I wasn't like obsessed with creating a whole other human being I was kind of like I want to take what I have and refine it and and I went to Gunnar Peterson who trains every diva in this town and so you know he knows how to sculpt a body pretty quickly and he said look you've got a good foundation because you've clearly been active your whole life and but I also love the fact that I I have probably 15 pounds on all the TV girls here in LA you know I mean I'm not like a waif thin person and I don't have any fake body parts and I thought that was a cool I don't know I felt really good about showing that and I've had women come up to me and say that they're like we're glad you have like a you kind of represent a normal woman's body I have men tell me that all the time. Really? That you represent a normal woman's body?
7:20🔗
Debbie Gibson
I mean, how often would Playboy contact you? I imagine at the beginning of your career, you would get a phone call every other day, right?
7:29🔗
Debbie Gibson
This was like the fourth or fifth time. The last time they approached me was about five years ago when I was doing the musical Gypsy, playing a burlesque queen. At that time, I said, I was kind of intrigued by it at that point. I said, I'd be interested in thinking about it if I could choose a photographer and really do it the right way because there are obviously different levels that people do Playboy on. I said, if I could do kind of almost a takeoff on my theater roles and like kind of something a little more highly stylized and theatrical, I'd be into talking about it. They were kind of like, no, we wanted to use our staff photographer on this shoot. They had a specific thing in mind and it didn't fit what I wanted to do. So I said no. And then they came to me. Here we are about five years later. Wow. Yeah. I think like a couple of the people from Playboy saw me at an event or something and said...
8:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, I've given up on worrying about that anyway, because, you know, I remember like when I was having hit records and I was going into theater, the record exec said, don't do theater, it'll kill your pop career. And then, you know, you go do something and they go, don't do that, it'll kill your theater career. And you could live your life like that. And the truth is, nobody knows what's going to happen. So I just gave up on worrying about the results. And I said, I'm just going to do what I want to do.
8:49🔗
Drew
Adam, with Playboy, the stakes are up, have been ratcheted up so high now in terms of the things that people could get involved with, that Playboy is like doing time life now.
9:02🔗
Drew
But I mean, compared to what might, you know, the stuff, the equivalent of Playboy 20 years ago today is like stripping or something.
9:08🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, I find, like, and I find some of the Maxims and FHMs and those magazines, actually even though the girls aren't showing everything, I find them to be raunchier. I think the quality of the photographs is different and they're...
9:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
Although, there is a centerfold. I keep accidentally opening up to the centerfold of this issue, though, with the girl with the showerhead.
9:40🔗
Debbie Gibson
I had a guy, I had, like, an airline employee approach me on the jetway yesterday to sign this, and we, of course, accidentally opened to that one, like, as children are passing by.
9:54🔗
Debbie Gibson
I never learned so much about that till I had to do this. And the woman who, like, works at a lot of the celebrities that end up doing shoots said, you know what? She goes, every celebrity girl that comes to me says the same thing. They're like, I don't know anything about this stuff. I'm not so into that, you know, the whole thing.
10:10🔗
Drew
We discovered last night that the people that do that have got to recently immigrated to this country and not speak English terribly well. They have to be sort of non-people.
10:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh no, this woman is like this woman has been doing it for years on everybody. I think it's just so the funniest profession.
10:29🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, but she is abroad, you know what I mean? She does have that kind of like, you know, she has to be kind of aggressive, not big hair, but no, she's got like a she's tough. I mean, how could you do that for a living and not kind of be a little, you know, rough and tumbled? That's a good way of putting it, rough and tumbled.
10:47🔗
Debbie Gibson
Somebody has to outfit her those, you know, glasses that have the camera in it.
11:00🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, God, I know, believe me, I'm not going to say who, but I know who goes in and out of that office. And it's like amazing if the paparazzi got wind of that place, forget it.
11:08🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, it'd be funny, it'd be funny just to get some guide pictures up there, like at the actual office, like Jim Belushi, you know.
11:31🔗
Debbie Gibson
But that was the thing too about this is that I didn't want to show everything and they didn't make, they basically were like, you're not our model. You know, we want you to do what you want to do. They said, you know, Sharon Stone will come up to us now, 20 years after doing it and say, I'm still so proud that I did it. And that's what we want from all our celebrities. And so they were very, very cool. They really let me create the whole vibe of the shoot, which I was happy about.
11:57🔗
Debbie Gibson
Basically, they shot about 1500 pictures over the course of three days. And I narrowed them down to 150. And then they picked the final, like nine or 10 that they used.
12:12🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. You know what? I said that since the wording in the contract was such that I wasn't required to do anything in particular, I said, well, I'll go for it and feel free to do whatever I feel like in the shoot. And then I'll see. And I just don't find the full frontal nudity attractive. I think that I like the more classic Playboy pictures. And so that's what I went with at the end of the day. A little like almost- Yeah.
12:40🔗
Debbie Gibson
I don't want to let people, you know, sitting at home listening, thinking about buying this and not to go out and buy it.
12:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
OK, whatever. Yeah, but I'm not, you know, no. Well, you can see there's like that, that like center.
12:55🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, no, no. But, but seriously, like, I saw some people's pictorials where they're like literally like doing a backbend over a rock with everything like, you know, I mean, and it's like, you know, it's like, it's, I don't want it to look like we're in a gynecologist's office. I still want it to look like a photo shoot.
13:11🔗
Drew
See, Adam, if a gynecologist has the same impulses as your dentists say, imagine what that would be like.
13:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'll be out promoting the CD. And basically, I ended up recording this on my own because we had a label that shall remain nameless and basically the head of the label. This was one of the interesting things too about the psychology of doing Playboy. The head of the label who had a gazillion dollars and the jets and was putting all the money behind the single turned out to be so chauvinistic and condescending and like it literally was making me feel physically ill. And I kept going, this is amazing that nobody at Playboy made me feel this way, but a record executive made me feel this way.
14:01🔗
Debbie Gibson
So that deal imploded right before the first of the year. And then I ended up taking money out of my own pocket, recording it on my own, getting it distributed on my own. So it's a little bit of like that's always an uphill battle way of doing it. But I decided that well, what I decided again, what I was talking about with the result was I'm just going to put it out there and say, look, this is so that people can see what I'm up to musically. I'm not putting the marketing dollars behind it. That guarantee that it's going to be a top ten single.
14:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, they were at one point talking to me. It would be great. Like, Paul was possibly not going to renew. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I did the American Juniors thing with them.
14:41🔗
Debbie Gibson
I think anything to do with that American Juniors show, they don't want to be reminded of, so they're not having me back.
15:00🔗
Drew
Can you hear me? Are you hanging up, Adam? You have to make a big flourish out of it so we hear you hanging up. Yeah, yeah.
15:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
What's unique about it and the same thing happened to me. I'm in Charlotte shooting some stupid commercial, and at one point, they were having camera problems. It's the same with any technical difficulty, which is my first impulses-
15:47🔗
Is it not? Go ahead. Yes, it is.
15:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
Shut your pie hole. Let me finish my first impulse. My first impulse is like, fix the camera. Let's get going. Let's hurry up. This is a delay. But then the second one is, don't fix the camera. Let's go home.
16:02🔗
Debbie Gibson
Right. In which case, they always fix the camera. As soon as I shift to, let's go home. And it's the same thing with this. My thing is like, the Zephyr doesn't work. We got to get the Zephyr working. And then the next impulse is, wait a minute, I'm going to get drunk and go to bed.
16:17🔗
Drew
Wait a minute. I've never actually seen you do the, let's fix it thing. I've never seen that. So I only, I only hear the second impulse. I do hear you yelling at people about the fix it thing. Like, why didn't you? Why did this happen? Let's go home.
16:34🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'm kind of with you though. I just moved into a new house and I don't have my phones hooked up yet. And so I've got to do a radio tour for my house tomorrow on my cell phone, which is really risky. And I'm with you because on one hand, I'm like, oh, my God, let's pray it works. Let's pray it works. Yeah. And then I'm like, but if it doesn't, that's an hour and a half of talking at six in the morning. I can avoid.
16:55🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, I think I think everyone everyone has that sort of it's the snow day thing you have as a kid.
17:02🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. We didn't have a snow day. We had a snow day once on the day of a talent contest that I was really looking forward to.
17:08🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, well, we would we would just have earthquake days and four stage smog alert days.
17:16🔗
Debbie Gibson
It's like just there's an earthquake. Oh, my God. And then the second impulse is, wait a minute. I may not have to do something.
17:34🔗
Debbie Gibson
When you were at school and I don't know, earthquake or would rain for a week and they were talking about shutting the school down. You weren't delighted.
17:45🔗
Drew
Here's what here's I have a different kind of thing that goes on because I had a school and then graduate school and training and stuff where nothing stopped it. So it just meant more hassle. I'm expected to be there. How the hell am I going to get there?
17:59🔗
Drew
You see what I'm saying? It never stopped. There was never there was no such thing as a nuclear holocaust didn't stop the damn thing.
18:06🔗
Debbie Gibson
You're not listening to me, Drew. They call it off. It's not about your car not starting. Obviously, I'm not excited when something like that happens. I'm saying something breaks, something forces a stop.
18:25🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, I know. Forget about school. You're out doing some sort of annoying shoot or something. And there's a problem with the equipment. And somebody says, I don't know if I can fix this. And you really want to go home.
18:36🔗
Drew
No. You know why? Because it just means, all right, now, now I'm behind. Right. Now I'm behind. Now I got another. Where am I going to put that now? I got another day ahead that's already booked up with stuff I got to do. And I got to add this.
18:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, Adam, you might get your wish because you've just called this commercial. You're doing stupid like eight times. They're going to fire you as a spokesperson anyway. Good.
19:17🔗
Debbie Gibson
Hi. This is Nicole. My question for Dr. Drew is I want to know your professional opinion about female egg donation.
19:29🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, yes. Yeah. It's the only thing you donate for 10 grand. Think about it. When you donate your car or you donate your television or you donate some blood, do you get between five and 10 grand for it?
19:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. They call it donation. So you can sleep at night, but you're selling eggs.
19:51🔗
Drew
That's in fact one of the things that people take issue with with this whole phenomenon was that we're creating a market in human products.
19:58🔗
Debbie Gibson
But it's got to be such an emotional leap for a woman that it's some kind of compensation.
20:05🔗
Drew
Women, they need money for various. I'd rather do this than go stripping. And the fact is though, I'm sorry, Adam. I'm sorry. I know I offended you with that one. I draw the line there. I know. But we hear this business which is actually nonsense. Well, she had to go stripping. She had to get her way through college. It's like, no, that's nonsense. They were stripping because they were trauma survivors.
20:27🔗
Drew
All right, so the egg donation thing, it's hyper stimulation of the ovaries. It's a surgery to retrieve the eggs. It's fairly safe. We don't know any long-term consequences. There are concerns about obviously the surgery and about the possibility of maybe putting women at a risk for ovarian cancer. And we don't know the effects, full effects on fertility and what age you might achieve, menopause. There are things that can happen. You're messing with your biology to do this. But it looks fairly safe based on what we understand today. And as Debbie is saying, the issue of having somebody out there with your genetic makeup.
21:01🔗
Debbie Gibson
That's what I was going to say. Do they do studies on kind of what happens to people that, you know, I mean, yeah, do these women, is it almost like being like a surrogate or, you know, like putting a child up for adoption? Do you kind of wonder where your child is and try to trace who got your egg?
21:16🔗
Drew
You wonder. I don't know any data that's followed that. I don't think it's that big a deal. I never hear much about it. But you wonder if that could have an impact on people.
21:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
I feel like I would be walking down the street thinking, oh, my God, there's Debbie.
21:31🔗
Debbie Gibson
I feel I every time I see a guy with a mono brow, I think, wait a minute, I may have left some sperm somewhere. But no, here's here's an interesting point. And I call it interesting because it's going to come out of my mouth. So it's convenient.
21:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
But you know how guys don't seem to have the connection when they get they get a woman pregnant, and it's their child, but yet it was only their seed and they move on.
21:57🔗
Debbie Gibson
And the and the mother sort of bound because of the nine month gestation period.
22:08🔗
Drew
Except I think women, in addition to the sort of biological commitment of pregnancy, have a natural instinct to take care of whatever their genetic material, wherever it goes.
22:21🔗
Debbie Gibson
I agree. But you know, it would be interesting that if it was the other way around, if you know, just the woman provided the seed and then went back to work and guys carried, you know, felt the little thing kicking inside of them for nine months, like the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Yeah. That was based on a true story, too.
22:39🔗
Of course.
22:40🔗
Debbie Gibson
I bet a lot of guys would turn the corner and I bet a lot of women would go back to work.
22:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. So maybe this is sort of an interesting sociological experiment because I bet these women don't carry around the baggage that a woman who gave their child up for adoption carries around.
22:59🔗
Drew
And you could even argue that some of that is not just the carrying around part but the biology of being attached to somebody for a long period of time.
23:13🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well and I also wanted to know, because you guys brought up a lot of interesting points, do you know at all by doing this if it stimulates any desire to be nurturing or mothering or anything like that?
23:24🔗
Drew
We don't know. That's what we're speculating about here. We don't know. I've not heard complaints about that. We certainly hear complaints about the adoption issue but we've not heard people complain about this.
23:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well I don't think she means toward the child. I think she just means when the eggs are stimulated.
23:42🔗
Drew
No, it's that kind of the opposite because they sort of put you into a menopause state and then they hyper stimulate the ovary that way.
24:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'm working on it right now. I'm 20. So I've only been college for two years. Yeah.
24:18🔗
Debbie Gibson
We're going to deduct not only $2,000 for the junior college, but another 500 penalty for trying to be evasive. Calling it community college when in fact it's junior college.
24:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
I've been trying to learn the world like Catherine Zeta-Jones from many, many people.
24:47🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. I take that as a wonderful compliment. I think she's a beautiful woman. And personally, I see it in my eyes and in my lips, but I don't know. I really appreciate it. I've heard it a lot.
24:58🔗
Debbie Gibson
All right. Well, okay. Here's the thing. If you're attractive and you're like tall and you're smart, on two out of three ain't bad, you get to charge more for your egg.
25:15🔗
Debbie Gibson
I saw that. Why do they always put those ads in the movie theater? They put them on movie theater screens.
25:23🔗
Debbie Gibson
In New York. In New York. That sounds like a New York thing. If you want to donate eggs, call 1-800- Eggs. Egg donor.
25:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
I don't even remember exactly where I heard. I watch a lot of Discovery Channel and Science Channel. I think I saw it somewhere on there and it sparked my interest. I just looked at it online and I was like, oh, that's such a bad idea.
25:53🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, because my whole thing is like, I'd be like, what music do you listen to? What TV shows do you watch? If you're a big Mark Anthony fan, that's a deduction.
26:09🔗
Debbie Gibson
You wouldn't want mine because I like Mark Anthony and I'm 34. So you don't want those little eggs.
26:14🔗
Debbie Gibson
So high. You know, you know what? I would be great because I would grind these women down to the point where they were paying us to give me a. I would be the guy who went in there and just broke them down to the point where I made them damage their self esteem so badly that they actually just dropped off an egg and left.
26:38🔗
Drew
Let's do that. It's Love Line. Adam is out in Charlotte, North Carolina. We're here with Debbie Gibson and we'll be right back.
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27:14🔗
Drew
Hey, it's Loveline, Dr. Drew here, Adam and Charlotte, North Carolina, Debbie Gibson in studio. And I've just taken a little walk down memory lane and looking at the old photograph album of Loveline of Days of Your. And there's Debbie in there like five times.
27:36🔗
Debbie Gibson
I don't know. I went through some really weird transition. And I think of the kids now, kids, this is when I sound old, that are out there performing at 18, 19, 20, 21. And they have their image together and their look, and they seem comfortable with their bodies. I'm in there with like...
27:50🔗
Debbie Gibson
And in between hair color, like a big plaid oversized shirt on, I'm like, what was I thinking? No makeup, I didn't care. You know, it just wasn't my selling point at the time.
28:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
And you mean that's when you released your first album, or that's when you started hitting the malls?
28:26🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, she's still my manager. Yeah, we've gone through interesting transitions, because in the beginning, it was very much about protection, you know, protecting.
28:33🔗
Debbie Gibson
16, which I don't think there's enough of right now, because you hear some scary things coming out of teenagers' mouths in the industry. And then we kind of went through our normal mother-daughter like split, but yet she was still managing me. And then we kind of almost transitioned into like her being the boss, and then we went into like me really being the boss. And so it's interesting. Now we're really like business partners, and we're friends, and we're mother-daughter.
29:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, she caught the deal. She was totally cool. I mean, she's very much all about, look, if you're comfortable, I'm comfortable, and I'll make it happen for you. And if there's like a shred of me not being comfortable with something, she'll go, don't do it. Because she's, her whole MO has always been, look, you know, like she always said to the record company execs, I know that you guys might want to use her up and throw her out, but I'd like a whole human being at the end of this whole process. So we're going to pace it out a little more and work on that. So it's very cool. But yeah, 16 was when I signed my first, I signed my record deal and released my first single. And actually I started performing in the clubs. I did three shows a night, four nights a week for a year until that single got off the ground. Which amazes me too. Yeah. Because now you see people with reality TV shows, they enter at number one. Only in my dreams took 65 weeks to get to number one. 65 weeks of like literally pounding the pavement. Like going to these clubs.
30:03🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh my God. I would do a teen club, a straight club and a gay club. And all over the country, all in one night. And I would do that three nights a week. I would get in the car, change. My sister, my older sister did Sound and Lights. I had two young gay backup dancers from Long Island. And my mom, we were like the Von Trapp family. Wow. But doing clubs, it was the funniest. I'm like, where was reality television back then? Because that stuff was funny. I mean, she was like collecting money in the basement of these clubs from the Mafia men and from the drag queens and from what they would all try to say. No, no, we'll pay her later. Nope. She would have to stand there and go. She's not stepping foot on that stage before I get the money up front. And it was a it was a trip. But I mean, I played clubs here in East LA. I played a club that closed down the following week because of the violence. Like I played it like right before it closed down. I mean, I was escorted in by armed men and all this crazy stuff. I mean, it was it was interesting.
31:01🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, I'm not talking about the riots. I'm talking about just clubs that had a lot of violence.
31:07🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, my God. We're talking 86, 87. And yeah, I forgot what I was going to say. I was going to say something else.
31:19🔗
Adam
Hi. I had a question that I was hoping you guys could answer without being made fun of too much. I was with a little bit of an older gal and we started having, you know, normal sex at first. And she was cheating on her husband. I was cheating on my girlfriend at the time.
31:35🔗
Drew
That's completely normal. I mean, that's how we saw every relationship start. That's normal. Yeah. Okay.
31:41🔗
Adam
Well, we got together as a couple and we started having, you know, kinkier and kinkier sex. I mean, no golem showers, no scatter, blood or amputation are, you know, insane.
31:55🔗
Adam
Well, I mean, I think it was unhealthy, but I mean, we did, you know, a lot of toys, some SNM, some biting, a lot of vegetables, just anything you can think of really. Well, and I'm wondering, am I ever going to be able to go back and look at a girl and be with her again, a new girl, and just have missionary sex and be satisfied?
32:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, who pushed the whole agenda? Because, you know, if you were participating in it...
32:34🔗
Drew
But let me just use my magic powers for a second. You guys were also drug buddies or drinking buddies or something, right?
32:44🔗
Drew
Yeah. And this is... Yeah, I know. I know what this is. On your insight. Yeah, this is addiction. This is all part of the addictive process. And the problem is when you get your arousal system all beaked up like that, it is hard to go back to regular sex. You always want those higher levels of arousal to sort of get that extra high, just the way you deal with the drugs and the alcohol. And this is all part of your addiction. So just to stay focused on your question, the only way you're going to go back to regular intimate relations is if you get into some form of recovery.
33:13🔗
Adam
Well, we're off the dope for years now. I've been probably two years since I've done it. She says it's been a year for her.
33:19🔗
Drew
You know, but you're still drinking and there's still stuff going on here. You're not in recovery. And you're going to need to really focus on a full program of recovery, if that's what you want to do. It's up to you.
33:41🔗
Drew
Why are you worried about going back, then, to some other more normal, if you guys are having your fun at the level you're having it?
33:49🔗
Adam
I mean, it's still there, but, you know, the crazy sex and everything has left me, you know, kind of laissez-faire attitude toward the usual deal.
34:11🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, yeah. He's a talker. And, you know, yeah, you're right. And you're right on. He's off the dope or whatever he was on. But he's drinking plenty. And he's probably chipping away at whatever else he was doing. And his whole ramp is, hey, it's been two years since I've done any heroin or done any speed. But not exactly. You've been getting drunk quite a bit. Probably chain smoking, probably drinking a pot of coffee every day. And also probably chipping away a little bit here and there with the speed or the heroin or whatever the hell you're into before. So what you're basically telling them to do is drop the ramp and clean up completely. And this thing's going to reorganize itself.
34:55🔗
Drew
Because the thing with the addiction in general is that the sexual behaviors get wrapped into it and they need to be escalated as well. So now even though they're using the toys and this or that, it's still all flat for them. So he's got to even up the ante and what they'll usually start doing is sort of dangerous things or bringing other people in or prostitution, all that kind of good stuff. So it really sort of, he's on hold, he's on hold.
35:28🔗
Adam
You are somewhat close to it, yes. I haven't, and it wasn't like Speed or Heroin. I mean, it was just whatever anybody had, I would, and I don't do any of those anymore. Sometimes I smoke a little pot and I do drink. I'm drinking right now.
35:55🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, our point is, is, you know, I'm not one of these 12 step guys, but they tell you, you have to sort of relinquish control and you don't seem like you want to do that.
36:07🔗
Drew
Yeah, you don't have to, it's up to you. It's really, it's, I'm not, I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm saying if you want to change, if you want to change.
36:13🔗
Debbie Gibson
What you're saying is it's basically though, it's just going to keep getting more and more destructive. He's going to keep, he's just on a path of upping hands.
36:18🔗
Drew
It's a progressive process, right? People have a grave misconception about what it is when people get drug and alcohol problems. It's not about the drugs and the alcohol. It's about the brain systems being disordered and all the behaviors that ensue. That whole process, the spiritual, emotional, and biological, physical aspects of the disease, it all has to be dealt with. Not doing the drugs is one itty bitty little piece. That's where you get started. If he really wants to improve, he can. If he doesn't want to, enjoy.
36:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
Listen, there's something strangely liberating about exercising a little control over yourself, like deciding there's a few things that you do that you don't want to do and actually stopping.
37:52🔗
I'm not sexually active.
37:59🔗
I don't know.
38:16🔗
Debbie Gibson
All right, Jacqueline, you got to do something. If you're depressed, tell us. If not, how about you get it together and rally just a little bit, sweet pea? You're on national goddamn radio.
38:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
Sorry for disturbing you, you idiots. How dare you people call this show and do this?
38:37🔗
Drew
Here's the deal. Periods can be, in particular, many women's very, very delicate process. And of course, in almost any medical condition, it can affect your period. And certainly the treatments for it definitely can, the antibiotics and things like that. So yeah, if you think you have some sort of infection, if you have any kind of medical problem, why don't we get that taken care of and not sit around obsessed about why my periods aren't the way they normally are? Go to the doctor. Why don't we go to break?
39:03🔗
Debbie Gibson
Let me say this before we go to break. I'm wondering if people, after traveling through the South here over the last few days, I'm starting to realize that people are losing the ability to communicate altogether.
39:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
And I realize those people who cannot communicate are now giving birth to kids and starting a new generation of people who can communicate even less.
39:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
And I'm just wondering if 70 years from now, people, we're just going to have to have a crawl with a subtitle under every conversation.
39:46🔗
Drew
Or maybe we're going to revert to some sort of like science fiction like species where we just walk in the room and are silent.
39:54🔗
Drew
But our thoughts go back and forth, our heads pulsate a little bit and we understand each other.
40:06🔗
Debbie Gibson
Adam's either hungry, horny, or both. Yeah, maybe, Debbie brings up a good point though. Maybe all the text messaging and emailing has further eroded everyone's ability to communicate.
40:23🔗
Debbie Gibson
It's not letter writing. Letter writing has to do with handwriting and waiting and being patient for a letter. That's the romance of letter writing.
40:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, not spell check and yeah, I don't think it's, I don't know. And text messaging, you don't even have to come up with your own. You can choose from a list. Can't call you now, talk later. You don't even have to write your own.
41:03🔗
Drew
Yes, it is Loveline 1-800-LOVE-191. And Debbie Gibson is our guest, and we'll be right back. That's how Adam's going to be talking now that he spent the last week in the Southeast. I love that. Yeah, y'all. And it's 1-800-LOVE-191. Charlotte's an interesting town, isn't it? I guess no one's there, as you don't know.
41:36🔗
Drew
By the way, you are missing yet another biblical dumping of water upon this town of Los Angeles.
41:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, yeah. I flew in last night. It was like two hours delayed because of the rains.
41:47🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, you know, I've just I've been I've been it's it's crazy because I think we've, you know, smashed a previous record by like eight feet or something. And, you know, it's always weird when they keep these records because they go back to like 1865.
42:08🔗
Drew
Well, I should say there they were the the one who was the nipper of Sarah at the mission was actually himself in his own writing, writing these things down.
42:16🔗
Debbie Gibson
I know it's like some guy from a Frangelico bottle came out in a robe, like a fly came out there. And the thing is, is it filled up the mule trough halfway.
42:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't necessarily trust those records, but this is definitely the worst we've ever seen it. Right.
42:37🔗
Drew
And today was absurd. I was sitting in my home, all of a sudden, thundering lightening and hail, so sheets of hail, so intense.
42:53🔗
Drew
Cars, houses smashed. And the first half hour of the local news is one house off the hill. And what I love is these houses candelivered with the pools over the edge. They're now down the hillside. We never imagined this could happen.
43:07🔗
Debbie Gibson
I rented a house once in the hills on Stilts and I was so freaked out. I left. I just it just seemed so unnatural to me.
43:12🔗
Debbie Gibson
I mean, the things that I know, I like when they interview, the people are refusing to move like we're no no. And they look at it as a very noble, not stupid, but noble qualities. No, we're going to shovel out and rebuild. And then then we can pay for the next time the slide destroys their shack. But here's the other thing I want. And it's all, I just, everyone in the Los Angeles area, remember the biblical rain, because when they start in with this, we're still in a drought.
43:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, they start immediately, like somehow it raining, you know, we've got 75 feet in the last four months, and somehow that doesn't affect the drought at all.
43:55🔗
Debbie Gibson
I know, and you know what, my new house doesn't have good water pressure. So yeah, I want the, we have had enough rain. Take that valve off, that water conservation.
44:04🔗
Debbie Gibson
I don't care. I'm not, you know what I'm doing, Drew, I don't care about this calls. I am so angry about the whole drought thing that I'm running around my house, just flushing toilets, just randomly. All the stickers are running.
44:17🔗
Debbie Gibson
Being an East coaster, I have to say, people get so terrified on the road in the rain here. Nobody knows how to drive. Traffic comes to a screeching halt. In New York, we're like, you know, just schlepping around the city, rain, snow, whatever. Yeah, it's funny.
44:35🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, they're too busy doing their makeup, reading a script while eating and making a phone call.
44:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
Hi, Drew. Hi, Adam. Adam, you are a genius and I love your rant. I listen to the show for that.
45:02🔗
Debbie Gibson
I absolutely adored you. I had your post on my wall when I was 14. Yes. Love the fact that you posed in Playboy.
45:09🔗
Debbie Gibson
I find really funny is that you have a song called Naked that you did before deciding to pose. And Jennifer Love Hewitt did a song called Naked.
45:21🔗
Debbie Gibson
And in that song, she did not actually get naked for the video, although she faked it and made it look like she was.
45:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
Was your decision to actually pose nude in Playboy, was that actually sort of a challenge to her? Like, hey, you know what? I talked about being naked, being myself, and here I is.
45:43🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, it wasn't a challenge to her, but it's interesting because I felt like this was a really weird year for Nudity with a lot of hypocrites, like, there was so many accidental, like, oops, I showed my boob, but I didn't mean it things happening this year. And I feel like so many, even so many of the younger pop singers are kind of like, oh yes, I'm a virgin, I'm virginal, but I wear shirts every day down to my belly button. Like, there's a lot of hypocritical stuff in that area, and I did feel like, you know what? I feel like if you're going to do it, like, really do it and own it. I mean, when I did my cutesy thing, I did it, I literally waved a flag that said electric youth on it. It's like, that was my way of being extreme then, and this is kind of my way of being extreme now. So, but it wasn't, no, it wasn't directed at Jennifer Love Hewitt.
46:26🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, I am directing it at Jennifer Love Hewitt. I've been wanting to see her naked for like 10 years.
46:35🔗
Drew
Loveline, 1-800-LOVE-191. Debbie Gibson is our guest. Adam and Charlotte, we'll be back.
47:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
I figure since I twisted your arm to go to your first ever musical, I would give you another little musical excerpt.
47:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
Classy. It's very classy, that Phantom of the Opera. Oh my gods. Sid, get me tickets to see Phantom of the Opera. It's a classy show.
47:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
I was up for that. They flew me to New York. I had this audition here. They flew me to New York, blah, blah, blah. Which role? For Elphaba. And you would do a great job. I love that role. I love it. They actually came back. This was the feed, but this is a crazy politics of the show.
48:02🔗
Debbie Gibson
She left. This is what they came back and said to me. They said, yeah, well, they didn't say to me, so they said it to my management. They said she was a little too sophisticated and worldly to play this kind of raw university student. And I said, well, they didn't give me any notes in the room of that sort because I can certainly turn that off, which, but you know, but that's a weird thing. Sometimes a director just wants you to be that character. But to me, it's called acting. But it was a fun, you know, it was fun preparing for it because, oh, look, you've got the wicked mug there.
48:44🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, see how naive, see how naive I really am? Wicked pictures. See, I'm immediately, my mind's on Broadway.
48:56🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, here's, here's, let me, let me give musicals a quick plug here by saying, you know, the crowd that listens to Loveline isn't normally the crowd you would find in the audience of a musical, but it's one of these things. And, you know, it's almost like seeing jazz or even classical. No matter where you're from or what age you are, what else you're into, you almost always enjoy it universally.
49:24🔗
Debbie Gibson
And I know, I know it sounds sort of fey to say that, but it's just true. You know, you don't go to musical, just going out, just the experience is a good time. And I would say the same thing with, you know, for jazz or classical or maybe even the opera, though I've never been to the opera.
49:41🔗
Debbie Gibson
Musicals have changed a lot too. Like the last musical I did on Broadway was Cabaret. And a lot of people hear Cabaret and they think it's like 42nd Street. They think it's going to be like a bunch of like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Cabaret is a really heavy story for people that haven't seen.
49:56🔗
Debbie Gibson
It is. And so people, you know, and it's very kind of raunchy and sexually aggressive and in your face.
50:03🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I played Sally Bowles, basically drug addicted and gets gets an abortion in the middle of the show. I mean, this is crazy. And so musicals have changed to where they really take. They really take people on a trip. They don't just like entertain with smoke and mirrors. I think that there are so many out there that have become a lot more like the the the new composers for Broadway also have become so much more like their way of writing is so much more accessible to younger people now. I think things like rent, even things like Wicked, they have like a little pop flavor to them. And so people that might be anti like the old Rodgers and Hammerstein three hour sound of music kind of a thing will probably like some of the newer stuff on Broadway.
50:43🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, in a I'll just even make it broader, which is everybody just wants to go out and see whatever it is they think they're interested in all the time. And then when you go back and look at your life, you've seen a thousand things that were all exactly the same.
51:09🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, it'll make you better at it. No, I just mean like if you got a sport, if you have a sport that you're into, go out and do other sports, it'll probably make you better at your sport.
51:21🔗
Drew
Right, I in the 70s used to go down to New York, went out to college and saw all the great revivals. I saw Carol Channing in Hello Dolly, I saw Joel Brenner in The King and I, I saw Zero Mostel, I mean I saw all the original cast or stars in the great musicals of American theater.
51:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
That's amazing. I know I sat with the guy at dinner tonight who said, oh yeah, he said I didn't see the revival of Cabaret. He said the same thing. He's like, he saw Liza, he saw all the originals as well. I wish I was around to have seen those. We're sold.
51:56🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, wait a minute. If you were around to have seen those, you'd look horrible in Playboy right now.
52:23🔗
Drew
Get out of bed there. Get out of bed, Chris. I know it's 2 a.m. where you are and you've been on hold for 77 minutes, but here we go.
52:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, I got a question about my ex-fiance now. Do you think that my poor wife, what's wrong with her with what's been going on?
52:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, she cheated on me a few times after she started going over to one of her other friends' house and her friend has her thinking I'm just there wrong for and I'm bad to her. And now she left me and is going out with someone I thought was my friend.
53:01🔗
Drew
Yeah, she's not cheating. Yeah, she's not cheating. Chris, she left you. That's not cheating. She's gone.
53:23🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yes, to put it in Chris's language, a mitzvah. Mazel tov was what we're saying, Chris. The kids are Jew, right?
53:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
I want Beyonce and Jay-Z to get engaged so that he could be the fiancé of Beyonce. Sorry, I had to say that. But no, come on, if we would have, if any of us would have married the person we met, we were with at 19, I don't know about anybody else in this room, but that would not have been a pretty thing.
53:57🔗
Drew
If I had done, committed to anything long term at 19, it would not have been a pretty thing.
54:05🔗
Drew
She's done you a blessing, she's done you a favor. She's given you a gift. And she sounds a little chaotic too, but sometimes people at 19 can get that way. It doesn't mean they necessarily have diagnosable conditions.
54:15🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, and don't try to win her back because at 19 you can't forgive and forget and move on.
54:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
I like that word though, chaotic. I'm gonna use that word for myself when I skits out a little bit. I'm not schizophrenic, I'm chaotic.
54:34🔗
Debbie Gibson
I like that. Being with nobody is better than being with a troublemaker. It really is. Cause they take you with them.
54:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
If you took the most centered together 19-year-old male in the world and hooked him up with the most chaotic, out-of-control 19-year-old female in the world.
55:11🔗
Caller
Hey, I'm actually just playing a computer game. My real question was, I have a little itty spot down in that area. Kind of bumpy.
55:31🔗
Caller
It's just around it, really. It's not on the penis or the testicles. It's just around, like, on my legs and stuff.
55:41🔗
Caller
Uh, I think so, yeah. I like to clean it up. And that's what my mom told me to do. And just wait a while, you know, see what happens.
55:47🔗
Drew
Well, you want to get it bone dry, as we say. You want to, like, take a hairdryer, a hand-held hairdryer, and after you shower, dry it off till it's super dry. Are you a kind of heavy guy? Big guy?
55:59🔗
Debbie Gibson
Let me say this, Drew, let me cut you off. As long as you have the hairdryer down there, you might as well style it.
56:14🔗
Debbie Gibson
Drew, you know what I'll do is I'll part mine in the middle, like an alfalfa or an old barber, old singer from a barbershop quartet.
56:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I'm just saying if you're going to bust the hairdryer out, you know, shave it off.
56:33🔗
Drew
But John, do you want to get some of the over-the-counter anti-fungal creams? Lotramen is probably a reasonable one to use. That's probably the best one to use for you. So go to there, get the cream, keep it bone dry, and this will take care of itself, okay?
56:51🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, the moisture, you know, the moisture is what people don't realize is the rich environment for the fungi.
56:59🔗
Drew
Right. I think you get Lamisil over the counter now too, which is a very potent antifungal agent. This is Eric, who's 30. Yeah, hi.
57:19🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, well, the single is now in stores and it's on iTunes and mainly in Tower Records and the album will come later in the year.
57:34🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's scanned. Everything's accounted for. You get a monthly statement or something from Well, this is actually my first other than like Greatest Hits albums, which, you know, the Atlantic Records owns that master and stuff. They own those old masters. This is my first like direct experience with iTunes and it just went up a week ago. So I'm going to find out.
57:52🔗
Debbie Gibson
That's why I have my business people around, because I hate even thinking about that stuff. I check on it, but then I'm like, I want to be free to sing and dance.
58:04🔗
Debbie Gibson
My whole thing is I want to style my pubes and then the singing and dancing begins.
58:10🔗
Debbie Gibson
Hey, Debbie, I have a question for you, though. Speaking of your old mastered masters and all that, are you getting screwed on that or are you happy with that? Or did you get a raw deal? Did you get a fair deal?
58:24🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, I got a fair deal. I actually I got a really fair deal. And because I because I wrote all those songs, I, you know, obviously I'm in like a better position than a lot of the people who don't write their own songs. But with that said, I left that deal earlier. I kind of walked from some big bucks because they were kind of the label was kind of trying to turn me into like a kind of a kind of vampy, you know, they were trying to like vamp me up before my time, before I really was comfortable doing that. So it's kind of been an ongoing theme in my life. If people basically try to like push me to do things before I'm ready in my natural evolution, I can't. I just can't.
59:07🔗
Debbie Gibson
They're like, put her in a little black dress and heels for God's sakes. And let's put her with like, you know, baby face and prints and this one and that one. And I was like, gee, that makes sense. After I just sold a ton of records writing my own stuff. And I don't want to be like at the time, like Sheena Easton was working with Prince and everybody was they were like putting everyone through the same machine. And I didn't want to be put through that machine. So, yeah, I mean, and I remember saying, I want to do theater. I said, I want to be your Bette Midler. I don't want to be your flavor of the month, like pop R&B singer. And they were like, well, why do you want to be that? You're only 20. I'm like, because I want to have a future, you know, because you're not going to be on the pop charts every second. And nor would I want to, because the politics of it are so horrendous. So, you know, they didn't quite, we weren't really just weren't on the same page with it.
59:51🔗
Debbie Gibson
Would you, would you, I just drew this analogy, but it's like, to me, it feels like the musical theater to the singer is sort of what stand up is to the comedian versus a sitcom. Meaning, you can, you know, you know, if you're talented, you can work, you can make a good living, but you're not going to, you're not going to get the mega bucks, like you would if you had the sitcom.
1:00:19🔗
Debbie Gibson
It's not like the superstar in pop culture, mega bucks thing, but it's really pure. It's like the relationship with the audience is pure. There are very little politics involved, which I think is good for the soul. You know what I mean? It just really, for me, feeds me. And that's why I like going back and forth, because I can like do musicals for a few years, and then I bend that like restring things, my backbone to go out in the world and put out another pop album where you feel like, you know, you're really kind of like, you know.
1:00:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
I would imagine musicals, it's sort of like, you're always staying in shape, too. I mean, as far as performing multiple shows a week, yeah.
1:00:56🔗
Debbie Gibson
It's really like being an Olympic athlete. It's funny because I did a thing a few weeks ago. I did Broadway on ice, which first of all, it doesn't get any gayer than Broadway on ice with Brian Boitano.
1:01:09🔗
Debbie Gibson
It got a little gayer, yeah. But no, it was funny because I was watching, there's such similarities between these athletes and performers. I was like, oh, this is a theater group, only they're on skates. And it's funny because so many people in pop don't take their voices very seriously and they don't warm up. And it's like you watch an athlete and you go, well, you're not going to like attempt a triple axel without stretching and warming up into it, you know? So it's just, it's an interesting, I've always thought of myself as an athlete in terms of, especially, well, eight shows a week, when you're doing eight shows a week in theater, a lot of people think, oh, well, you just show up for three hours at night and that's it. But it's not the case. It's three really intense hours. And like everything you do during the day is geared to preparing for those three hours. So you're very aware of everything you eat and how much you talk and how much you sleep.
1:02:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
People like, well, you just roll in and do your two hours. Oh, contraire, contraire. I roll in four minutes before I begin doing the two hours.
1:02:20🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, and I'm in front of the mirror saying, elicution and the rain in Spain. Me, me, me, me, me.
1:02:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
You're saying that Broadway show is really classy. Yeah, that's your speech exercise.
1:02:58🔗
Debbie Gibson
And my question is, I just recently got a Prince Albert. Of course, I assume you all know what that is. And ever since then, it was just three weeks ago. And I've been having a lot of trouble getting wrecked, actually, since I've gotten that.
1:03:16🔗
Drew
I don't know if it's frightened another spear is going to come around. Really? You just put a spear through your penis. Why are you surprised that there's problems with erection? First of all, it's healing. It's going to take another couple of weeks before things really heal. And during that healing process, there certainly can be problems. And I have heard of long-term problems with both erection and sensation from PAs. Yeah. I don't think you're going to have that necessarily. I mean, you're only just a couple of weeks into it. Again, your penis has been, is healing. It's been through a shock. It's conserving energy.
1:03:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
You call me old-fashioned, but I remember when PAs were production assistants.
1:04:14🔗
Drew
Yeah, I know you do. I know you call them PAs. Would you hang up on him? I find it bewildering, though, that somebody will take a foreign body and jam it through a delicate organ. It's an organ system. And then be sort of bewildered why something might, it's not proper, it's changed now. It's like, what? If you cut it off, would you be surprised it would change?
1:04:37🔗
Debbie Gibson
And the whole notion that there's no anesthetic involved with that process to me is almost unthinkable.
1:04:49🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, I barely have a penis and I'm in pain. So I know what you're saying, Debbie.
1:04:55🔗
Drew
But you've got that whole thing about like a little kid when it hurts more to have a shot, you know what I mean? The pain, the fibers are closer together in your penis.
1:05:13🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yes, that's right. That's why I have to style my pubes. But here's all I'm saying. I think part of the deal is there's no anesthetic. I think-
1:05:25🔗
Drew
No, absolutely. I think that's the rush. Half the time it's a drug addict getting another rush.
1:05:41🔗
Drew
The pattern is people have been physically abused, commonly do that. Addicts commonly do that. They get a rush or they get an opioid surge from it, from their experience. And people with antisocial tendencies tend to do it. So in a sociopathy is that kind of thing. And then there are people that do it for stylistic reasons, get caught up in it and all. But for the most part, when people have what we call aggressive piercings, meaning piercings through parts of the body where they really don't belong, we start thinking about childhood traumas.
1:06:11🔗
Drew
Yes, you can lose your penis. You can lose your clitoris. Yes, yes, that can happen. What's amazing to me is that it doesn't happen more often. That's rather remarkable. The body is an amazing thing that way.
1:06:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
I talked to a woman last night. I was in Tampa and I was eating dinner out at like a cafe. Our waitress was heavily pierced and she said that her boyfriend worked at the piercing parlor up the street. I said, does he do any clitoral piercings or hood piercings or any of the vaginal stuff? And she said, oh, yeah. And I said, doesn't it bother you? I mean, as a girlfriend, that this guy is in there with these women doing this work.
1:07:10🔗
Debbie Gibson
I was like, I was like, really? And she was like, yeah. And she, her thing was it was compensation for having an unattractive vagina.
1:07:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
I was going to argue with her, Drew, but I thought I might just finish my Greek food and call it a night.
1:07:42🔗
Debbie Gibson
I had a question for Adam. Yeah. I was wondering if you could teach me the proper strip club etiquette. I'm getting into that stage of my life where I'm going to be hanging out in a lot of strip clubs and not so sure how to act.
1:08:02🔗
Drew
But hold on. I'm more intrigued by the idea that one graduates to a stage of life of strip club visitation.
1:08:16🔗
Drew
But he's planning to hang out at strip clubs, not just visit a strip club, but this is that stage of life where one hangs out at strip clubs. Oh my God. What's happening here?
1:08:26🔗
Debbie Gibson
I know. But look, Drew, when you're a young man who's dying to see a naked woman in the flesh, and somebody says, in four months, it'll be perfectly legal for you to walk in the front door of these places and sidle up next to the stage and stare at them as long as you want.
1:08:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
See a bunch of fake boobs. You'll make the proclamation that I'm going to move into one of these establishments.
1:08:56🔗
Drew
It's unbridled enthusiasm. It's not an actual stage of life. Okay, got it. Okay. Right.
1:09:01🔗
Debbie Gibson
Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's sort of... You know what it's like? It's like if you were on a desert island starving and you said, when I get back to the States, I'm going to bury my face in the first buffet I find, I'll never leave.
1:09:20🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, okay. I'm just a few tips off the top of my head. One is get your ATM money out at your ATM, you know, because the ones in the club have quite a surcharge. Sometimes, you know, five, eight dollars sometimes. So you want to get that. Number two, you got to wear, don't wear denim. You know, if you're going to get a lap dance, you don't want the Levi's with a big row of buttons grinding a hole in your joint. Or in my case, ruining my stylized pubic hair.
1:09:52🔗
Debbie Gibson
Wear something. Well, let's go for a dry run the first time and see how it works. You definitely, you don't have to sit right at the edge of the stage. You can sit back three or four rows and then you don't have to keep throwing money out on the stage.
1:10:08🔗
Debbie Gibson
If I were to sit up front on the stage, at what point do I toss up the money?
1:10:14🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, you should toss it out at the end of each dance, but it's nice if you can sit next to a guy who's tossing money out and it oftentimes doesn't land right in front of him. So some of that money can be mistaken for your own.
1:10:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
Do not ball up the dollars and throw them at the woman's vagina. That angers them. I found that out the hard way.
1:10:38🔗
Debbie Gibson
But you throw the money on the stage, I thought you like put them into the... You can tell I don't go to strip clubs. I thought you put them in the G string, no?
1:10:45🔗
Debbie Gibson
It's kind of illegal. They can't actually take it from you in a lot of places. You can put it in the G string, but more often than not, you end up just setting it on the sort of bar edge, on the edge of the stage in front of you.
1:11:04🔗
Debbie Gibson
You mean if you're getting a lap dance? Yeah, sure. If you're getting a lap dance, you just keep going until they stop you with the hands. But what you don't want to do is any goosing or grabbing or anything like that.
1:11:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, you got to play it by ear, which is some places, and it depends where the guy's calling from and what is municipality is. There's some places where you can do a hell of a lot of ass grabbing, and thigh rubbing, and all that. Then there's other places you just have to put your hands at your side. So you got to scope it out, watch other guys get lap dances, and see what they're doing and try to do about as much as they're doing. That's always a good one. And other than that, act interested and take a shower. And I like to rinse with a little Lavoris before I head in.
1:12:03🔗
Drew
Now, John, I mentioned, Adam, I mentioned the condom, not because he'd be having sex with the strippers, but we learned that.
1:12:16🔗
Debbie Gibson
Debbie, yes. Yes. You will be shocked and dismayed when you find out that a lot of guys have an orgasm in these places.
1:12:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
I know. It's first off, I'm I want to strangle these guys. I'm so envious. I can't I can't believe they have an orgasm at the strip club.
1:12:36🔗
Debbie Gibson
But, you know, it's weird like watching other guys, though, kind of, ah, come on. OK, that's gayer than Broadway on ice.
1:12:46🔗
Debbie Gibson
You're watching other guys like you're saying, like watch other guys and see how they do it. And I don't think girls would never be having this conversation.
1:12:54🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, here's what you also need to do. You need to you need to scout out to see which girls give the more vigorous lap dances. See what I'm saying?
1:13:07🔗
Debbie Gibson
I I I've written three now. The other thing is, too, is you can't. John, is John still there?
1:13:18🔗
Debbie Gibson
Go ahead. You know, pick your girl out. You don't have to wait. You know, like girls will come up to you. And if you don't like her, don't get a lap dance from her. I think a lot of guys get sort of a lot of, you know, greenhorns get bullied into getting lap dances from chicks they don't really like. Don't don't worry. Go ahead and just send them packing. You can just tell them, you know, later and they'll just keep moving until the one you like comes up to you.
1:13:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, show some decorum, but you just give that a little later, sweetie. I'm enjoying my drink and which in your case is going to be a great soda.
1:14:05🔗
Drew
But I think Debbie's leaving it. She has a early morning call for a radio satellite tour. Is that true?
1:14:19🔗
Drew
Debbie Gibson in here. The new album is a new single is called Naked. She's in Playboy March this month. Next month. It's out this month.
1:14:46🔗
Drew
Hey, it's Loveline, I'm Dr. Drew, 1-800-LOVE-191. And producer Ann, just hand me some copier. It says that we're all next week on Loveline. We'll be giving away an iPod Shuffle. Beginning of each show, we will give you details and tell you what to listen for so you can win this great prize. That's cool. So starting next week, we'll be giving away iPod Shuffles all week long.
1:15:05🔗
Debbie Gibson
And let me say this, you can't find those. People have been talking to, I was talking to someone who was trying to get some of those as gifts for somebody and said they couldn't find them anywhere.
1:15:19🔗
Drew
Shuffle is about this big and it holds 240 songs and it shuffles them randomly for you.
1:15:29🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know the problem with the old iPods, the first generation is it's got that stupid touch thing where if you just pick it up, it either turns on or turns off or shift songs.
1:15:47🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, my point is we need, you know, okay, here's what I want to say. Many years ago, not too, about 20 years ago, all this digital stuff started coming in and they replaced all the gauges in your car with these digital gauges. So instead of seeing the tachometer needle go up or seeing the speedometer needle go up, you just see this digital readout, like the beginning of the $6 million man. But the point is, is it doesn't work well in your brain, just seeing this digital thing spool up, numbers getting higher. You kind of need the old thing and we need buttons. Yeah. I'm just saying, if anyone from the Apple Corporation is listening, people like a positive feeling with their buttons. They like to turn stuff on and off and click. They don't just like this stupid thing where you wave your hand over it and it does whatever it wants to do. That's the sucky part about the old ones.
1:16:50🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, that's the old one. The new ones aren't that way. The shuffle, they fixed it.
1:16:55🔗
Debbie Gibson
See, I like old recording equipment for that reason. I have this old 12 track that I want to get fixed because you can see everything in front of you.
1:17:11🔗
Debbie Gibson
Right. Instead of it being on some other screen and you had to pull it up and you had to, yeah, I hear you.
1:17:16🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'm with you. Isn't it frustrating like when you go to the ATM and it's just the touch thing and you're putting in, you're putting in your information, but it's just by touch, you don't actually get to depress any buttons. I like to push a button down. Yeah.
1:17:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
Make sure you know I'm alive. I like the Whack-a-Mole game. I like to hit things over the head.
1:17:52🔗
Debbie Gibson
Okay, cool, because I'm on a cell phone and I'm in my room and it's really hard. Anyway, I recently was diagnosed with a form of bipolar disorder and like I've had depression my whole entire life, but it developed into bipolar disorder. And anyway, so I've been lately, or actually my entire life, I've been kind of searching, like always on the prowl for guys. And it's like this almost kind of an obsessive thing where I feel like I have to be desired by all the guys around me, even if I'm not interested in them, you know? And I mean, I know about narcissism and everything, but like, I don't know about your psychological background. I know you're a doctor, but I don't, so.
1:18:44🔗
Debbie Gibson
You know, I've been asked that question a lot. And I don't think, if I have, it's been repressed.
1:18:51🔗
Drew
Was it possible that it was sort of something we call by proxy, that was sort of a more subtle thing, where you were, you know what I'm saying?
1:19:00🔗
Drew
Like a, you know, a covert sexual abuse where you were sort of, you know, your dad was a little closer to you than should have been or that you were, your mom wasn't around and you sort of replaced mom for dad or anything like that.
1:19:14🔗
Debbie Gibson
Sometimes my dad would like hug me when I was like, dad, just get off, get off, things like that.
1:19:22🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I have. Yeah, actually, I have a lot of control and boundary issues. Yeah.
1:19:30🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, like he'll just keep on hugging. I'm like, dude, dad, just like sometimes I just had to yell at him, you know, like I need my boundaries and.
1:19:38🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. Well, wait a minute, that sounds like more you than him, though. I mean, was he doing anything creepy?
1:19:51🔗
Debbie Gibson
Like I actually asked him, I think I said something about it to him and he got really pissed off. But like.
1:20:01🔗
Drew
So there's something covert going on in any event. And some some of that covert stuff. You've got bipolar disorder. It's a lot of things that adds up to some sexual issues and some preoccupations. Have you been acting out on these these impulses? Do you have lots of men in your life?
1:20:15🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, actually, I haven't. I think a lot of it's in my head. You know how some people think everyone's looking at them? You know, that type of thing. Well, it's kind of like that for me. I always feel like I'm being judged, especially by the male sex, and that I need to keep up this repute, not a reputation, but keep up a facade.
1:20:36🔗
Debbie Gibson
Now, don't most young women, especially named Tara or Tara, want every guide to desire them?
1:20:43🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, you know, I've said this to friends before. Like, I think we all want our group of men that adore us to just be ours. And I had this recently with a friend that I was like, well, I'm friends with this guy. And there's always like, there can be that kind of male, female energy going without anything ever happening. But then I ended up hooking them up with a friend of mine because I said, well, that's just selfish of me to have this like, to want somebody's energy all to myself when they really could be off having a real relationship with somebody else. So I think all girls in a way want that. Even ones named Deborah, not just Tara or Tara.
1:21:13🔗
Debbie Gibson
To be like, to be the Buddha and have everybody. Yeah, I know what you're saying. To be quote unquote worship.
1:21:24🔗
Debbie Gibson
Oh, yeah. Actually, I just recently had one. And I think that's why my depression developed into bipolar disorder. It came to the point where I have like severe anxiety attacks at night.
1:21:51🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I'm just letting you know that I switched to… My doctor gave me a higher dose of wellbutrin.
1:22:03🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah. And it actually works for like about two weeks. And then like today, I noticed like all of a sudden, I had the same thing happen to me. I had the, had the sudden anxiety attack. And I went to the gym and like I'm at the gym. And then I noticed myself doing it again. That's something that I had been doing for like so much of my life. And I had these two weeks of bliss where I'm completely confident in myself. And like, I don't feel I have to impress anybody, male or female. And like, I can just do whatever I want.
1:22:31🔗
Drew
I remember, remember that thought. That's more where you should be all the time. Some of it is the biology, but some of it, you may need some some psychological help.
1:22:38🔗
Debbie Gibson
The anxiety attacks, because I had them for like three years. And what I learned as I got older was that you, because when you're and I was around that age, and I think a lot of girls, 18, 19, 20, you're going through such a huge transition. And anxiety attacks are so real and people don't take them seriously. And you literally feel like you're going to die. Like you cannot breathe. You can't sit. You can't stand. You can't think. You can't, you know, I mean, it's really, really serious stuff. And I think once you start getting it under control and as you get older and you go through it, you realize you're not going to die. And it like you kind of are able to break the cycle.
1:23:11🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, because if you panic, I used to panic over the idea of getting a panic attack and it would spiral out of control. And now, even now, you know, I still can get that feeling coming on. But I know that nothing is going to happen except I'm going to get short of breath and whatever. And it's going to be OK. And that starts to break the chain of that attack coming on.
1:23:33🔗
Debbie Gibson
Tara, hold on. Let me just say, finish with Tara. She just sounds like she's way up in her head about everything. Like, you know, my dad hugged me and it freaked me out. And I have these dreams. And she just seems like she's going through what a lot of 19-year-olds are going through. And she ought to stop giving herself so many labels. Like, I think she's just labeling herself as, you know, almost, you know, ready to be institutionalized. She needs to just relax, take her meds, do some therapy, get some exercise, and stop sifting through the past, looking for trouble. Thank you.
1:24:11🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, how's it going, man? Hey, I just want to bring back the PA bit. Well, I was pretty, I was born with hypospadias.
1:24:28🔗
Debbie Gibson
So I was, I went through nursing school and stuff a whole bit, and like, I learned about it, and I found out it was normal, but like, when I went to join the military prior to nursing school, like, one of the doctors, it was some chink. He basically denied me access into the military.
1:24:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
Hey man, you know, I speak from the heart. I just speak the first thing in my mouth, man.
1:25:12🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, there was this Asian doctor that actually denied me access into the Navy when I was 17, which I'm thankful for, but I just...
1:25:26🔗
Debbie Gibson
I'm not English. I was like, he said that it would leak, you know, which I don't know if you understood that there's a sphincter by the bladder, you know, that controls...
1:25:41🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, they wanted me to go and get it repaired by a urologist, but I... I've kind of... it's grown on me, you know.
1:25:48🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I like it. And I have occasionally put in the earring, you know, not the earring, but the piece for the PA.
1:26:04🔗
Drew
So you might as well just take advantage of it. Good times. Sorry, Jay. God put it there. God pierced him. You should know, Jay, that that's a common repair, that hypospadius repair is not that... it's less of a big deal than you might imagine.
1:26:24🔗
Debbie Gibson
And urine will come out of there when you're urinating, but when you're not urinating, it's not going to come out of there.
1:26:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
And I kind of like, you know what I would do? I would have the urethra, the regular hole. I would have that close and just go out the bottom part. Yeah. Why? Because that way I could take a leak when I had a boner.
1:26:50🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, it wouldn't go all over the place. You know, Drew, you know, when you get up in the morning, you have that boner, right? And you go to take a whiz in the toilet.
1:27:06🔗
Debbie Gibson
Well, that might happen with the hole in the bottom too. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is-
1:27:14🔗
Debbie Gibson
You would feel like a champ. You would close up the regular hole. You would stand with your erection right over the top of the toilet and whiz at a 90 degree angle straight down.
1:27:23🔗
Drew
I wonder if Jake can just hold the tip and get that effect already. Why don't we ask him?
1:27:33🔗
Debbie Gibson
Hey, well, I've actually, he does come out the hole. It actually veers to the left and I have to cover it with my finger, with my...
1:27:57🔗
Debbie Gibson
I would have done that. The first thing is that I would have done that right out of the gate. But my first move.
1:28:03🔗
Drew
Poor Debbie's fading here. We got to move her along. She's worrying about the morning.
1:28:08🔗
Debbie Gibson
All right. Debbie Gibson, you're making me sound like a lightweight. It's been a little crazy. I kind of like moved into a new house, flew to New York and back and just running, running. It's all good, though. It's all good.
1:28:20🔗
Drew
Forty six now. Naked is the name of the single. Get It On iTunes or whatever. Tower. Napster.
1:28:27🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, I think so. I think so. I know for sure Tower and iTunes is in this week. Playboy. Great spread.
1:28:36🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, that's kind of it for now, but you can check the website. It's debragibson.com, D-E-B-O-R-E-H for upcoming appearances. Good stuff like that. It was good to see you again. Good to talk to you again, Adam.
1:29:06🔗
Drew
Hey, it's Loveline, Jeff Probst, tomorrow night, Seth Green, later in the week, 1-800-LOVE-191. Hey, Adam.
1:29:18🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, she's nice. She's always nice. She, you know, I think she could have easily gone another direction, you know, getting started as early as she did and having the kind of success that she had, but she did.
1:29:33🔗
Drew
Yeah, she's not changed, you know what I mean, in the whole, through this whole thing. Integrity is this sort of the word, right?
1:29:43🔗
Drew
No, but if you see it, I mean, she's done it, she's done it, and she didn't do it. I really think doing it 35 is very different than doing it at 19.
1:29:50🔗
Debbie Gibson
If she's in her car listening right now at the age of 34, Drew, she's going to be angry with you.
1:29:56🔗
Drew
34, I beg your pardon, I beg your pardon. But I mean, the point is doing your 30 is different than doing it in your teens.
1:30:03🔗
Drew
No, no, no. The fact that they like to see it as much is a special triumph. This is Rachel, Raquel, who's 18.
1:30:18🔗
Debbie Gibson
A little over a year ago, I was in a relationship with this guy and basically like he assaulted me.
1:30:32🔗
Debbie Gibson
Yeah, physically and sexually. The guy I'm with now, he's really cool, but just because of what happened, there's kind of problems like when we're trying to be close, you know?
1:30:50🔗
Drew
Yeah, I imagine that wasn't the first sexual sort of, whatever you want to call it, abuse that you've had in your lifetime, right?
1:31:02🔗
Debbie Gibson
No, but it was the same guy who had done it before, just kind of not pull out kind of assault.
1:31:23🔗
Drew
Usually something, yes, I hear you, something around age 8 or so, maybe something happened to you even younger, that sort of set you up for this post-traumatic stress reaction.
1:31:36🔗
Debbie Gibson
If it did happen, I have no recollection of it. I mean, I do know that there were other guys before that who would try to get fresh and I'm just like, please don't.
1:31:49🔗
Debbie Gibson
But what kind of a thing? Let me get something straight. This guy did this to you when you were how old?
1:32:18🔗
Drew
Well, here's the deal. We are out of time. And the fact is she has been a victim of a, or a victim, that we decided we're calling them, of some sort of sexual aggressive act. And that's something that can really traumatize women. It can make it difficult to be intimate and to be sexual again. And have all kinds of complex feelings of shame and anxiety and freezing reactions and dissociation. And that's something that should be treated. Best treated that kind of thing, if it is really just limited to the, let's call it a rape, would be a sort of a group setting. So other women who have been through these kinds of traumas and support one another as you sort of make a narrative out of this that is something you can sort of hang on to and make sense of.
1:33:42🔗
Drew
Well, that does it for another episode of Loveline. We'll be back tomorrow night with Jeff Probst and Adam in the studio. So until his return, I am here, Dr. Drew, on his behalf saying mahalo.
1:33:55🔗
Caller
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