1:04🔗
Voiceover
It's the Love Line, man. That's Dr. Drew. Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew, board certified physician. Dishes, pies, and matala.
1:13🔗
Drew
And really, does this show have to begin? It's interrupting such a fascinating discussion about carbohydrate. I'm upset.
1:20🔗
Adam
I was explaining to Drew how you cut top plates and bottom plates when you're doing radius framing work.
1:46🔗
Adam
A white stripe while I'm talking about framing. Fine. One day when there's framers needed. You too. I'll be the one in demand. Phantom Planet is coming in tonight. These guys, they're in here a couple of years ago. February 2002, Drew. Wow. Spike Jones has just directed their new CD, or I should say their new video, and they do the soundtrack to the OC.
2:21🔗
Adam
I don't watch it that much, but anytime I see a second of it, I love it. I love that junk. I did. Hey, you're talking to the guy I used to watch.
2:29🔗
Adam
Not Slanding. Lowest point of my life. Girlfriend dumped me. Had a horrible job and it's just my other buddy whose girlfriend dumped him and we sit there Friday night drinking beer and watching like Falcon Crest or Dynasty.
2:54🔗
Adam
Brooke, you're 25. What's up? What's up? Hold on, by the way, no worse show to watch when you're poor than Dynasty. It's like you're just sitting there. They're coming down the stairways, the long, arching stairway seems to be hanging. There's no visible support under it. Here come all the people in their evening gowns.
3:22🔗
Adam
Fight breaks out in the Olympic-sized pool. It's like fountains everywhere, limousines, and you're just sitting in some crappy apartment. North Carolina is going, oh. I'm telling you, it's cool to be poor now. I think it sucked in the 80s to be poor. I think it was worse. Brooke?
3:39🔗
Yes.
3:43🔗
I just got out of a relationship about a month ago, and I pretty much kind of agged it on by just starting little fights, and I broke it off. But my question is, during it, and the relationship lasted four months, the guy was 29, and during it, I faked a pregnancy, and now I'm kind of obsessed, I don't know about obsessed, but I want to get back with him, and the other thing is, when I was 23, I was engaged, and I broke that off, but during that engagement, I also faked another pregnancy.
4:19🔗
Yeah.
4:32🔗
Drew
Yeah. It's empty. Empty. Like, I pushed him away, but now I want him back. I let him believe that I was pregnant, but I want him back. Like, empty.
4:48🔗
It was... I just told him that I took a pregnancy test, and it was positive, and then I went to the doctor, and it was just... It read wrong.
4:59🔗
I do it to kind of just see how much they like me.
5:15🔗
See, that's the thing. I listen to you guys seriously almost every night, and...
5:20🔗
Yeah, I know.
5:24🔗
You know, I can't figure it out. My parents, I mean, I grew up in a, I mean, pretty much normal family. My parents got divorced a couple years ago, but it was, I mean, it needed, they needed to divorce. They really weren't in love anymore.
5:37🔗
Adam
Well, listen, a certain amount of people are born without a soul. Look, Brooke, you don't want to get back together with this guy.
5:43🔗
Yeah, I know.
5:44🔗
Adam
I'll tell you what you need. Here's what you need. I don't know anything about you other than your two fake pregnancies, which by the way is horrible karma.
5:56🔗
Adam
I don't mean karma, like cosmic karma. I mean like your two year old getting run over by karma, karma, karma, yeah, yeah. You need to go on a little spiritual journey. I don't think you're a mess. It's not like a lot of our callers have been sexually abused and, you know, sodomized by the rabbi or something. But you just you need to read a couple of books, do a little therapy and take a walk and listen to some classical music for about a year and then start a fresh relationship with an eye on yourself like a convenience store camera.
6:30🔗
No, that's the other thing I was going to tell you is I've never had those kinds of feelings. Never been in love, never been close to being in love. But the weird thing is when I am in a relationship and I really like, I mean if a guy really likes me, I back off, I back away, you know, I eventually somehow break it off or I just don't, you know, I just stop calling them. But if I really like the guy and he kind of plays hard to get, then I don't even have like, like I, you know, I'll give up, I won't go, I'm in school right now, I won't go to class if he wants to go to lunch, I won't, you know, I kind of give up my life a little.
7:03🔗
Drew
Just a question, just a question. Are you, you're sure your sexual orientation is clear and you like guys?
7:08🔗
Oh yeah, yeah, I like it.
7:10🔗
Adam
I get a little therapy. And Brooke, I don't know what you're studying in school, but you come out to LA and make a hell of a publicist. It's just this kind of a, she's going into PR? You're going into PR? Are you working, are you working towards some sort of PR degree? Good, I'm telling you, you make a great publicist. You got all the makings of a great publicist. Soulless.
7:36🔗
Adam
Zero soul, minus a soul, ice water, running in the veins, only looking out for themselves, pitting people against each other. It's beautiful.
7:46🔗
Drew
You know what she has? That feeling is that we respond to her, I think, is schizoid. We kind of look at each other like, what is that? It's not abuse. It's not that there, but there's an emptiness and flatness we feel.
7:57🔗
Drew
And I think that's a schizoid quality in some people, and that's kind of a biological condition.
8:00🔗
Adam
Well, I mean, look at it this way. There's just a certain percentage of people that aren't really fully humans, aren't there? I mean, they just are. They're just, you know, these are the kind of people that...
8:22🔗
Adam
Sarah? You're 14? What's up? Once, when I stayed home and I played sick when I was in high school, I had too many, and I got a calf cramp, and it still hurts. And it's been almost 20 years.
8:45🔗
Drew
That was too many. But not for a gal. No, a gal, you are in that unique and unusual category, which is able to have multiple orgasms.
9:27🔗
He just stops.
9:30🔗
Adam
He stops. Here's your dad's pickup truck, pull up the driveway. That's how you know when you're done. What are you using for protection? 14 is too young. Okay, look, what are you going to do? You're 14, you have a thousand orgasms when you sit on a feather duster.
9:51🔗
Drew
Think about how different that is. The average 14-year-old girl, the idea of orgasm is not something they can even get themselves around. And then even at 22, it's like, okay, maybe it happened. It certainly doesn't happen with sex. Really, we have to argue that women are different than men?
10:13🔗
Adam
Well, here's the deal with orgasms in women, two or three of them bogart all the orgasms in the universe.
10:21🔗
Adam
Like, you know, there are women who are in their late 30s who haven't had one legitimate orgasm via intercourse and possibly via oral sex in their 35, 38 years on the planet. And here's Sarah over here, where you, you know, you prick her with a ballpoint pen and they just come bursting out of her. Crazy. Unfair, I say. Unfair. And by the way, when it comes to guys, as Drew was saying, you take a 15-year-old guy, 99% of them are exactly the same.
10:56🔗
Adam
And there's 1% who, like, it was like beaten with a Bible growing up and it's just too freaked out and starts crying every time he sees his ding-a-ling.
11:09🔗
Drew
Biologically the same. There's just a question of short or long duration before the orgasm. That's it, period.
11:14🔗
Adam
Sarah's fine. The guy we got to look out for really needs to be monitored and followed as the boyfriend.
11:21🔗
Adam
This is his first experience with a woman. They break up in eight months. He's with a new chick a year from now and it's like, come on baby, we've been going at it.
11:31🔗
Adam
I've been finger blasting you for all the 30 seconds now. Half a white stripe song. What's going on?
11:42🔗
Adam
He's going to turn to booze and then harder stuff. Drop out of school, grow bad teenage mustache. Yeah, can you imagine like now he's on top of some chick, he's been going down, he's probably been going down on a chick for like 45 minutes and she's like, yeah, just stay in half. But he's like, Sherwood had several hundred thousand by now. Yeah.
12:03🔗
Adam
I guess he's the kind of guy who's going to force a chick to fake it. Because I was thinking that myself, because he's going to just keep working it like until he's going to be going, he's going to be going like, like when a guy's trying to get a coke out of a vending machine without paying, that's how he's going to be going at her like that. Come on, where's that orgasm? I got to get it out of you.
12:27🔗
Adam
Yes. Oh, thank God I didn't start off that way or ever, ever, ever even head down. Yeah, still have it. Okay, but I think it's about time I made my move.
12:44🔗
Well, I have five-year-old twins and I know something happened to them and everyone has told me just to let it go. I can't.
13:00🔗
Well, when they started to go to preschool, I caught them at the very beginning when they started to go. One was kissing or I don't even want to say it because it feels so sick and horrible. One was doing the other one in the living room and I just walked in on them.
13:32🔗
Are you laughing at me?
13:37🔗
I'd rather you laugh in my face right now than do it after I hang up.
14:12🔗
Adam
There is nothing there. All right. Well, let's try to deconstruct this a little bit. Were you ever sexually abused?
14:18🔗
Drew
Yes. My father. Okay. And so you would be attracted to guys that are child molesters. That would be what you're into.
14:28🔗
We were married for, he was one of the second men I was ever with, besides my father. And then we were together for a long time. And then I just matured and I realized that, you know, this isn't normal to be treated this way.
14:49🔗
Actually, I always wanted to do that. I went to a very religious school. And I guess I'm really sick, but they spank us. And I liked it.
15:05🔗
Actually, I was 12 and he said that he thought I was my mother. Because I was sleeping in his bed.
15:18🔗
Well, I went to see her. She was not home and I went into her bed and she's like rubber back. She never did anything else. And then I fell asleep and then she went to say good night to the rest of the kids. And she never came back. And then he came home and thought it was her. And then he like did everything to me.
15:40🔗
Yes, one time. But he always he did things to the other kids.
15:50🔗
Did he?
15:53🔗
I'm sorry.
16:01🔗
Adam
All right. You know, you know, Anna not only is a little skeezy, but her phone line is more effed up than she is, if that's possible.
16:19🔗
Adam
That seems bizarre. And anyway, she's a prostitute escort. Let's just see if we can sort this out and wrap it up. Hey, Anna.
16:33🔗
Drew
I know it's not about you, but it is about you because you're the mother of these children and they need a sane mother to develop.
16:38🔗
Adam
Here's the plan. How about getting out of the prostitution trade on behalf of the kids and yourself?
16:47🔗
I did while I was married and I worked in like some restaurant, actually waited on like Mancow and Mayor Daly and like all these great people and blah, blah, blah. And I was treated like it was actually more degrading to be nice to some bitchy woman who um, and uh, Anna, Anna, let me just say this.
17:12🔗
If you saw me walking down the street, you would so not say that.
17:24🔗
I'd love to go. I'd love to go.
17:26🔗
Drew
Well, let's get the kids first. Let's get the kids. They need some help. They're going to need to be evaluated immediately.
17:33🔗
Well, it happened a while ago. I took them out of school and it was preschool.
17:38🔗
Drew
Well, I guarantee you, whatever happened, I can't guarantee you, but I bet what happened didn't happen in the school.
17:51🔗
Adam
Or yourself, too. Phone line screwed up. But anyway, she can hear us and we'll just speak to her.
18:03🔗
Adam
We'll start with Rain. I mean, if you just, I got molested, or I was abused, or I think my children were, I don't have insurance, I don't have any money, I just got to start fresh. What do you do?
18:29🔗
Drew
Go on the Loveline website and check out all the hotlines. And I would advise you start a department of psychiatry at a local university, a university medical school. Just because they tend to have free services and that sort of thing.
18:40🔗
Adam
Right. Like you get a free haircut at the barber college. You get free counseling at the psychological college.
18:53🔗
Adam
I grew up in one of those god damn barber colleges. And here's the thing about the barber college. Yes, the haircut is free if and you got three hours. Because what happens is, is the student, he makes every two cuts, he's got to call the instructor back. So it's like a snip, snip, Herb, I need it. Herb's on the phone. So let's just, I want to wait. Then Herb comes, what is this? And it's like, well, I think it's uneven. She went, okay, well, two more snips. I'm going to go to Nevada. You call me, the guy goes back and forth. I mean, here's the thing. They got nothing but time and they're glad to have your ass in that chair. There's not a line of people waiting to get their hair cut. Just them sort of, you know, goof around, cutting their teeth on your hair. Yeah, it's not, they're not trying to, now you go to a regular barber, they want you, you know, it's 20 bucks, it's 10 bucks, they want to get you, it's, it's, it's 10 bucks, whether it's 10 minutes or 10 hours, they want to get you out of there. These guys just sitting there for like three hours, the instructors to keep coming back and, oh, my God, one time I went to a barber college, they had some sort of Japanese exchange program going on, it's like, what, what, what's, what, this looks like, the Baton Death March, what's going on here? They're like, oh yeah, we sent all our people over to Tokyo and they sent theirs over here.
20:12🔗
Adam
This was in Santa Monica. This is when I was, at this point I'm 26, 27, I'm still at the goddamn barber college and, cause, you know, I had, you know, six bucks and, and so I, you know, I get like a Toshimanuko cut my hair and I'm like, hey, listen, it looks real goofy if you cut it too short on time. And I'm like, your, your hair. And it's like, his interpreter is like, he doesn't, he doesn't speas. He's from Japan. He's from Kobe. We, this is an exchange program. I'm like, there's a 50-50 chance your barber's not going to understand what you want. The guy, you know, the Irish guy who was born in Wisconsin is not going to understand what you want. Did this guy, I F'd it up completely. I had no idea what, what was going on. Couldn't communicate at all. That's a bad day when you walk into the Japanese exchange program at the barber college. Yeah. It's a good time.
21:17🔗
This one, I think.
21:19🔗
Adam
Oh, oh, and by the way, Phantom Planet is here, so we'll talk to those guys and we'll talk to Ryan whose girlfriend just said she's into bondage. He's never done it. Wants to know if it's safe. Ryan?
21:34🔗
Well, actually.
21:44🔗
Loveline, 1800-LOVE-191.
21:58🔗
Adam
Hey, everybody, it's Loveline, Adam or Ace to you. That's my good pal, Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, Sam and Alexander both here from Phantom Planet.
22:12🔗
Adam
Hello. And we're going to hear something off the CD and just mention to you guys first before we start getting into whatever we're getting into here that these guys, this Friday, that's tomorrow, right?
22:38🔗
Adam
Down at the Virgin Megastore in Ontario, in the Inland Empire, the guys are going to be doing, you guys are going to be doing a live show?
22:49🔗
Adam
So that's in the Virgin Megastore in Ontario. That's at 7 o'clock tomorrow. And then on Saturday, the following day, 2 p.m. tower, sunset. And right in the middle of the sunset trip, these guys are going to be playing again and doing some signing and doing all that.
23:15🔗
Adam
I passed it a million times and thought to myself, that's where the cool people go to buy in.
23:27🔗
Drew
I always imagine that you said there was some sort of signing or something you're doing.
23:30🔗
Adam
That was me and Jimmy did some Super Bowl party about 10 years ago on some dump and Ventura Boulevard that nobody showed up to.
23:40🔗
Adam
By the way, this is the did. Now, it's not going to happen to Phantom Planet, but you got to watch out when you do one of these. Hey, I'm doing a book signing at Borders in Santa Monica. When three people show up, it really gets depressing.
23:53🔗
Adam
I mean, Jimmy's on on the on the show all the whole week before going, Hey, Big Monday Night Football down at Checkers on Ventura Boulevard. I'll be there at seven o'clock signing autographs. Free Buffalo Chicken Wings. Ninety nine cent Miller Lite. Sixteen ounce. Four people showed up. Yeah. Who's laughing now? We are. Yeah. I mean, no, I mean, yeah. Well, I mean, we're laughing like we're not laughing like we're not laughing at him. We're laughing with the yeah, we're laughing like you laugh when you're swordfighting and you do that thing where you go into the candelabra and then they all fall off. You know, you slice the candles. Yeah. Like the jig is up.
24:33🔗
Drew
That's the kind of laugh we're going to be. We're you and I are going out on the road next week, the next week, week after next. We're going to be at Stanford University from Wednesday.
24:43🔗
Adam
We'll be at Stanford. That's right. We'll be playing at Stanford and signing Phantom Planet CD.
24:54🔗
Adam
That's right. First three and a half people to show up, get a bumper sticker and a Loveline windbreaker. All right. So we're going to hear something off the CD. Where do you guys live? I live about two minutes up Fairfax from here. Oh, really? Still managed to be late.
25:12🔗
It wasn't my fault.
25:14🔗
Yep.
25:15🔗
Phantom Planet
I was at a birthday dinner for my friend, Jenny Lewis, who's the singer in a band called Riley O'Kiley. Alright. I don't know if you've heard of them.
25:33🔗
Adam
They're gnomes. You know what? They're going to be on the show. I'm sure they'll be on the show next month sometime.
25:45🔗
Adam
That's right. Let's take some calls and we'll hear Phantom Planet's song. And how's the OC thing treating you guys doing the soundtrack or the theme to the OCs? Has it been a surprise?
26:08🔗
Adam
And how did it work? Did they do the... When they did the pilot, did they come to you guys? Did they say, we need a song?
26:15🔗
Phantom Planet
Yeah. They said, we desperately need your song. And we're like, I don't know. They sent us the pilot and we enjoyed it and thought, why the hell not?
26:28🔗
Phantom Planet
Yeah. They were like, we're not going to put it out unless you put the song on.
26:32🔗
Phantom Planet
We need it bad. Well, I mean, that was said, but I'm sure they would have put it out.
26:36🔗
Adam
How does it work now? Well, because, you know, back in the day, people used to get rich doing theme songs. But I hear now that they buy you out or they do whatever. And it's not that never, you know, sort of check in the mailbox every week where you get rich. Is it? Are you getting rich?
26:55🔗
Phantom Planet
No. Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess I don't really involve myself in the business side of it too much.
27:09🔗
Phantom Planet
But I've got two hundred dollars. It's just, it's potential money, not kinetic money.
27:13🔗
Adam
Yeah. You know what I wish it would start doing, by the way? Speaking of not knowing how much money you have, you know, they've the gift certificates have now gone to the sort of credit card gift certificates. That's fine, except for they need to put a little sticker on there and tell you what you got.
27:27🔗
Adam
Because I'm now have I now have about eight of them and I'm staring at all of them and I'm like, I could go into that Best Buy with this card and I could walk out with a plasma TV or a Partridge family seating. I have no idea what I got on this card. I got a Starbucks card. I got I got zero. I mean, I could I could get you I could get within probably 150 bucks, but I really have no idea. And I'm not sure if it's worth bringing or not.
28:11🔗
But I'm a rambling man.
28:16🔗
Adam
Here's here's the twist with me and my rambling. Most guys break a dawn, you know, first sun, I ramble around noon. My whole thing is get up, take a shower, you go to work. I'll roll out of bed about ten forty five, beat off, pour a cup of coffee, then it's time to ramble. You see, I'm a later rambling guy. Noonish rambling guy. Yeah. All right.
29:05🔗
Adam
He went through Memphis. How come no one rambles through California? Like no one does he rambling through Eagle Rock or Encino. There's always where is that? Nothing rhymes with Eagle Rock. Maybe that's why you only ramble places like that rhyme. Like once in a while you get down to New Orleans and you have to ramble with some Cajun queens out there.
29:31🔗
Adam
Ramling guy. And by the way, and you guys, here's what we're leading up to. You guys need to write a song about rambling.
29:45🔗
Adam
We grew up acutely aware of rambling, how to ramble, when to ramble, how to negotiate with ramblers, when you run into other ramblers who are rambling on the road.
29:55🔗
Drew
And then what you do with women who are setting spells and are devil worshippers. They themselves are the devil, I beg your pardon.
30:01🔗
Adam
Yeah, there's a lot of devil and evil women that you got to ramble from. And if you guys could write a song about rambling.
30:10🔗
Adam
From witchy women, it would be fine. I always like the part where the chick doesn't want the guy to ramble. By the way, by all accounts, he's an out of work musician who's an alcoholic. Who doesn't have a car. Picture the rambler in real life. Smelly guy with a beard.
30:29🔗
Adam
Yeah, maybe Vietnam vet, got some psychiatric condition. Maybe he's hooked on peppermint schnobs. He's probably molesting your daughter. I'd say rambling, not such a bad thing. All right. Anyway, write your song about the noontime rambler.
30:52🔗
Adam
No, but at first light, I'll be sleeping for another six hours. You'll be up and then, yeah, you'll be gone. You'll be at work. You'll be breaking for lunch by the time I'm thinking about rambling. But then I'll make up for it by rambling well into the night. I won't knock off at four. Okay. Yeah, yeah, because I don't do a half day of rambling. I put in eight hours of rambling.
31:23🔗
Adam
Not sung about, but we get the idea that you've made your way. When you talk about places you have rambled, you might mention Indiana.
31:38🔗
Caller
I'm calling because I've been dating this girl for a while now. We've been sleeping together for about two months.
31:43🔗
Adam
Nobody rambles around Orlando, you don't hear about that so much. All right, I'm sorry, two months?
31:50🔗
Caller
We've been sleeping together for about two months now and she just revealed to me that she enjoys bondage. It's not something that I've ever done. She's also into like some types of pain. She likes to be bit. And I mean, I'm not into the pain, but that doesn't bother her that I'm not. But she wants me to try the whole bondage thing.
32:23🔗
Caller
I'm actually kind of interested in it. She brought me this little book. It's like an introduction to bondage and introduction to S&M. And I was looking through it, but it doesn't really tell a whole lot. It tells you how to do it, but it doesn't really explain. Like there's some things that sound like they might be dangerous, and I was wondering is there any dangers that are inherited in this kind of lifestyle?
32:54🔗
Adam
But Ryan, by the way, sounds like the kind of guy that would be like, uh... I'm going to go ahead and remove my pocket protector and glasses so those aren't damaged. Put those on the nightstand. Now, I've turned to page twenty-seven, figure G shows here. Wheelbarrow. Tying up the electrical cord.
33:20🔗
Drew
No, I was thinking that myself. She won't be satisfied with what he can do because he won't be able to pull it off properly, so to speak.
33:26🔗
Adam
Yeah, and I'm not sure what side of the bondage she wants you on. Does she want you to tie her up or does she want you to get tied up?
33:36🔗
Caller
Actually, both. She likes to be submissive and what she wants from him. He said she likes to be submissive and she likes to be dominant. It's just something I've never done before, so I've never had any kind of experiences with it and it's completely foreign to me.
33:57🔗
Caller
It's something I've always wondered about. I've just never known anybody that I could experiment with.
34:02🔗
Drew
Well, now you do, but it's obviously you can get hurt and there are ways people can conduct themselves, try to prevent that with safe words and this sort of thing. The biggest concern is that again this is enacting out of some trauma and then somebody has difficulty feeling aroused unless they get these high levels of stimulation. And it usually doesn't exist as an isolated phenomenon. There are usually other things going on with that person, but that's fine.
34:36🔗
Adam
Now it's getting really bogus. Listen, Ryan, it's time for us to ramble. It's almost eleven o'clock. Alright, I'm a late night rambling guy. Alright, we didn't believe him. You're right, it's a non-question. If a twenty-six-year-old guy wants to engage in this, he just engages.
34:54🔗
Drew
Can you harm yourself with people being tied up with electrical cords around their neck? Let me use my imagination for a second. And then he wants to jump in with machine-gun orgasm for a second. Okay, now we're going towards the punch line.
35:10🔗
Adam
Yeah, that's the whole thing. I could easily panic and forget my safe word. And then I just die with a hefty bag tied around my head.
35:21🔗
Phantom Planet
Also, with a hefty bag over your head, you couldn't actually say the safe word properly.
35:30🔗
Adam
And you will then go flying cross room. And then I ramble. That's how it works. You'll know when it's time to stop, because I'll be punching you in the windpipe. Like, I think I did it like that. You've got to come up with your safe word.
35:44🔗
Phantom Planet
Maybe the punching and the hitting though is just all part of the deal, the bondage deal.
35:50🔗
Adam
Well, the thing is, is if you get hooked up with someone who can kick your ass and you get into a bondage situation, there's potential for harm, right? And or if you get tied up and, yeah, you got the gag ball in, you got the gimp ball in your mouth and the, you know, they got those zip ties and you're hog tied and you're on the bed and you can't talk and she's whipping you. It's a good time, so I'll tell you what.
36:19🔗
Adam
Yeah, let's ramble. Let's ramble to our next call. Let's talk to Timothy, you're 19. What's up?
36:48🔗
Adam
I know, but you go more, you head more into Arizona if you're going to be doing that. San Diego, not a bad, bad rambling town.
37:03🔗
Adam
You're fleeing. Well, you got to get to the border. And then you're never talking about the Canadian border, always talking about Mexico. They don't clarify it, but they go, by sun up, I'll be at the border. It's always Mexico. No one goes into Canada. How do we even know what border you're talking about?
37:36🔗
Caller
But when I'm taking it, I'm fine. But the problem is, is I have like almost no sex drive when I'm on it.
37:51🔗
Caller
And it makes me feel great. Like I'm happy and all that, but I'll tell you that I just can't perform that good.
37:58🔗
Drew
All right. Well, here are the some of the basic options. One is we often will do add a medication called Wellbutrin, which doesn't really go with Effexor that well, but that's something that can be done to some of the other certainly the isolator or serotonin-reuptake-inhibiting medications. Effexor has a dual action though, so it's a little bit more complicated to add it to the Wellbutrin. You can switch to Serizone or Remeron or even Lexapro sometimes, but if the Effexor has been working, you hate to do that, then the other option is to use some of these newer Viagra type medications, which may not do that much for your sex drive, but may allow you to perform and feel a little bit more sexual. There's one now called Cialis that lasts for three days.
38:48🔗
Drew
That's Cialis. You got to watch it. That Maybach. Yeah, Maybach. Adam, you could not go to the car show on that medicine.
38:53🔗
Adam
Yeah, that's my whole problem. I'd just be looking at tools and stuff going, oh yeah. The next thing you know, my hand's down around in my pants. I'm standing in front of the display case.
39:02🔗
Drew
And there's Levitra, which is short acting and rapid acting, and you can try these things.
39:13🔗
Adam
Three hours. The hell you need that? I don't need that kind of time. Let me tell you my thing about rambling.
39:21🔗
Adam
Well, here's what I tell the ladies. I tell them, you know, I know you're sad to see me go, even though actually, technically, you'll be leaving for work and then I'll be slinking out, you know, after that. But as a rambling guy, I will pass this way again. I will, I will, you know, because, yes, because I will ramble back, I will, I will, I will circle back and ramble through town again. I'll come this way again. So don't worry, I'll, I'll get liquored up, be back about nine months, bang you in my pickup truck. And then it's, you know, it's rambling time again. All right, we're going to take ourselves a little break, Phantom Planet, here tonight. I promise we'll hear something off the CD after this. Love, Loveline. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody, it's Loveline and Adam. That's Dr. Drew, phone number 1-800-L-O-V-E-1-9-1, Sam and Alexander, both here from Phantom Planet. That's also the name of the CD. These guys are going to be out in Ontario tomorrow? Virgin Mary store, and that's at 2 o'clock and then 7 o'clock. No, wait a minute, I screwed it up. 7 o'clock tomorrow night, and then 2 o'clock on Saturday at the Tower Sunset. Right in the heart of the Sunset Strip, and we're just talking to the guys during the commercial. And you guys grew up around this area, and probably not more than a few miles, as the crow flies at least, away from that Tower Sunset, so it's got to be kind of cool that you're playing there.
41:00🔗
Phantom Planet
Oh yeah, and there's a big sign out there. We've never had a sign out in front of a record store before. It's huge.
41:09🔗
Drew
Did you guys have time in the OC? Did you, when you were growing up, did you spend much time down there?
41:13🔗
Phantom Planet
We had a few friends down there that were in a couple of bands, Teen Heroes was one of them. Played a lot of shows down there. Played a lot of shows down there.
41:25🔗
Adam
That's right. That's right. One of the places that's not on my list to ramble to. Newport Beach. You don't hear about people. In general, beach city is bad for rambling. Also, the city is Bayou cities aren't bad rambling cities. The city is bad.
41:41🔗
Drew
Well, most of the beach cities in this part of the country have Spanish sort of sounding surnames. Yeah, like Santa Monica, Laguna.
42:00🔗
Drew
It doesn't sound like a strange enough if you were a rambler, those are the places you'd rather go.
42:05🔗
Adam
But it's been a rambling weather. I'll tell you that because, you know, them rambling, you know, through the middle of our, our Kansas and all that kind of Texarkana and that kind of stuff, it gets kind of cold. You know, the wind, the summers are hot, dusty, the winters are freezing cold. You know, when you when you ramble, you got to think about it's sort of like convertible weather. Like, you got to think about the climate when you ramble. And these these idiots are just rambling through the, the ram through a lot of Texas and Oklahoma that area.
42:46🔗
Adam
All right. True. That's enough rambling talk. Come on. We got to help the kids. We got to hear a song.
43:33🔗
Caller
Well, Dr. Drew used the word hyperachiever. And you said that you described yourself as that. And I'm kind of wondering, I'm kind of the same way. I'm pre-med in school. I'm double majoring. I'm involved in everything.
43:50🔗
Drew
Read my next book, Cracked, and you'll understand more about my pathology than just the title of Glimpses.
43:54🔗
Adam
And when he referred to himself as a hyperachiever, he beat off really fast. That's I don't know if you're confused.
44:01🔗
Drew
Hyperachieving is just a symptom. It can mean lots of different things. But usually it's people that need to be highly perfectionistic and make other people happy.
44:08🔗
Adam
Yeah. That's why you punch the mic three times a night, even though I beg you not to do it.
44:22🔗
Drew
I didn't get over it. What I got over was the need to rescue and help other people and to be able to... You get over it by establishing good boundaries with other people, and that's a very substantial task for some people.
44:50🔗
Drew
Oh, no, no, no, no. So you're a trauma survivor. And this is what's good. No, yes, you are. You may not remember what the trauma is, but this is what we call the sort of the running phase of post-traumatic stress disorder. Here's a book you can read called Healing Trauma, a guy named Siegel, Dan Siegel edited, and there's some chapters in there that talk about this specific thing, give you a sense of what it is you're dealing with here. Healing Trauma.
45:11🔗
Adam
Yeah. And I got one called Ramblin Nation, it's about a large, large group of Ramblers. Here's the thing, okay, let me ask, let me, I'll put this question to the panel quickly because we only got a minute, but my theory is you got to be a little bit effed up in order to get anywhere in this life.
45:36🔗
Adam
Now if your dad owns a furniture business and you go out of high school or college into it and next thing you know you take it over, maybe you don't have to, but if you want to do some serious achieving, it's good to have just a little bit of a neurotic fire burning in your belly and when you look at these people, these, I don't know, shares or Madonnas or Donald Trumps or whoever they are, there's always a little something that's fueling them because otherwise...
46:02🔗
Adam
That's a lot of something. Otherwise, you're saying, you realize, hey, I got enough money in the bank, I'm going to go home and relax. I'm not going to bust my hump. So, a little of that's nice, but then, how do you enjoy your success when you have this neurotic fire stoked in your belly? And that's the balancing point. And then, if you get too sane, you become like a prizefighter, gets rich, you lose the eye of the tiger. Now, you're not angry anymore and you're driving a Bentley and you're living up in the hills and now you don't tear the guy's head off.
46:39🔗
Adam
And that's why you gotta do road work, which I'd like to start being called rambling work. Perfect. We'll take a little break here. Rambling Phantom Planet. I'm just gonna start putting ramble in front of everything. I'll get some more rambling tea. I could go rambling bathroom. We'll be right back after this. All right, guys.
47:46🔗
Adam
That's Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew's on the computer right now looking up the Rambler automobile. Now we're all ramble obsessed. Sam and Alexander both here from Phantom Planet.
47:59🔗
Adam
Yeah, we're about ready to ramble over to Phantom Planet song. And speaking of rambling, you guys are gonna be rambling over to Ontario, to the what the hell Virgin Megas store. That's right, now that's at the 7 o'clock tomorrow, 2 p.m. on Saturday, you'll be rambling back this way to the Sunset Tower Records. All right, let's hear something from Phantom Planet. You cute up there, Anderson? Yes, oh, you cute up, Chris? Oh, you don't do it anymore? How long has that been, six months? Okay, let's, oh, okay, we'll talk about this when we come back. This is Big Brat.
52:03🔗
Adam
One of the best non-rambling songs I've ever heard, but that's not saying much, you know? What was that?
52:12🔗
Adam
Stop that drip. Phantom Planet in here, Sam and Alexander. If Drew, like a half hour, he couldn't find a picture on the internet. That little ones.
52:31🔗
Drew
Just really quick. The Rambler 63, it does really look like the kind of car that guy should have been driving, the Rambler.
53:04🔗
Adam
That doesn't hurt. It's good to have you wear boots because you got to put your boots on or you put your boots by, you know, you're late. You only take your boots off for a while before it's time to ramble again. You know, boots are very good.
53:27🔗
Adam
But there's no Birkenstocks sporting or Zorries or Flip Flops or anything like that. Or Er shoes. Yeah, you can't.
53:35🔗
Adam
No, you need you need you need boots to ramble in. That's what a hat sort of accessory is good to wear a hat because the same thing. It's like you put the hat on on the bedpost.
53:56🔗
Adam
Right, right. And you'd probably wear jeans, but a Wrangler type jean. More than more than a 501, more than a Levi.
54:06🔗
Adam
You're in a truck and hey, you never back down from a fight, but you're not looking for trouble. And you love the ladies and the ladies love you. Your first love is rambling and it's the open road.
54:25🔗
Adam
Yeah, which I now hear they don't really do. Yeah, but they don't still. But if it rhymes, definitely, you know, if you can.
54:36🔗
Adam
No, no, no, no, we'll work on it. We'll work on it, but we'll just put it in the hopper.
54:42🔗
Adam
All right. Yeah, I want to talk about it says here that Spike Jones did the video for the brand.
54:57🔗
Phantom Planet
He had heard when we were shopping around for directors for our last single, which was Lonely Day, that I wanted to do a zombie video. Really, really bad.
55:18🔗
Phantom Planet
Oh, yeah. Day of the Dead, Night of the Living Dead, Zombie, City of the Living Dead.
55:30🔗
Adam
Oh, yeah. It's the time of the season to ramble. That's what I do. I record over it and yell ramble.
55:38🔗
Adam
But, no, zombies, great, because it's humans, you can feel good about killing, and you can slaughter them en masse. You know, you can take a chainsaw and drag it across a hundred of them. You can take a shotgun and just start blowing them away.
55:52🔗
Phantom Planet
It's about self-preservation or preservation of the human race or alienation, maybe even...
55:57🔗
Adam
A good part of all zombie movies is where, like, if we were trapped in this room and zombies were outside the studio, well, first we got to kill engineer Chris, because I'm not sure he may have gotten bitten, but... I give the speech to you guys, which is, uh, listen. If something happens to me, I'm going out there to take a dump. Because I don't want to stink up the studio. When I... But if something happens and I come back and, you know, I've been bitten by a zombie, you've got to take me down before I turn into a zombie. And it's going to be tough for you, but you do it.
56:28🔗
Adam
Right. And I'm telling you, I'm begging you, do it! And I'm taking the gun and you're crying because you love me. And you're putting the gun down and I'm holding it up and putting it to my...
56:46🔗
Adam
All right. Rambling zombie. What about a zombie who rambles? Oh, he didn't do a lot of rambling when he was alive. But now that he's he's he's joined the undead, a rambler, he's a rambler. He's a rambler, a zambler. Yeah. He'd love to stay and eat you. But he's got to move on. He's got to ramble.
57:23🔗
Adam
It's something. However, they died initially. It was from like falling off a building or something before somebody ate them. Yeah, they got a bad.
57:29🔗
Phantom Planet
It's something with the reanimation, the brain, maybe certain things that don't work.
57:35🔗
Adam
They don't move real well. Their arms don't move in unison with the legs. You know, you don't see a zombie jogging in the arms, really pumping.
57:47🔗
Adam
Yeah, I did see that. I did see that. Yeah. And then when they get you, all they can do is bite you. Their mouths are only weapon.
58:02🔗
Caller
All right. I started having sex when I was 16 and stopped for a couple of years. I got put on Effector and got into a relationship. And so me and this new guy started having sex. And I've got absolutely nothing out of it. Basically, I feel like I have no sex drive.
58:31🔗
Drew
That's the effects. Women are you shut down even more by antidepressant medicines than men. For women, they'll tell me that even like looking at somebody kissing on television will look sort of bizarre. And like, why are they doing that?
58:44🔗
Drew
I know that troubles you greatly. But Julie, this is a normal side effect that medicine, you might want to think about a switch to something like Sarazone or Addingwell Butrin, as I said earlier, something like that. Remeron.
59:00🔗
Drew
Well, maybe the mood stabilization is not worth risking or destabilizing the mood is not worth risking.
59:06🔗
Like, I switch it.
59:08🔗
Caller
I mean, I'd rather not have the sex, you know, and be happy because I don't, you know, understood.
59:17🔗
Drew
Whatever you do, you should not make these decisions on your own. You need to sit down and talk about it with whoever is prescribing the medication for you.
59:34🔗
Adam
But no rambling going on. It's too tropical for rambling. And there's parts of Europe, I think, maybe like Switzerland, a bad rambling spot, too.
59:54🔗
Adam
Almost nowhere in Europe is good for rambling. It just isn't. It just isn't, Drew. You know why? No lizards. You need lizards. Yeah, lizards gotta be on a rock and a long shot.
1:00:08🔗
Adam
Yeah, yeah. It's a desert escape. If you think 18-wheelers and lizards. Let's talk to... I can't focus on the show anymore, Drew.
1:00:49🔗
Drew
Oh, yes. That can happen for sure. And that's really, don't even worry about it. It's not a big deal, but that definitely happens. And if you're taking the prevent rather than the plan B, sometimes there can be some nausea too. Well, it doesn't mean anything.
1:01:02🔗
Not at all.
1:01:06🔗
Drew
No, I can't see. If you're bleeding internally, you wouldn't see the bleeding. You mean your vagina is bleeding?
1:01:15🔗
Yeah.
1:01:16🔗
Drew
Yeah, the lining of the uterus becomes unstable. Now, if you're having pain and bleeding, that is a different issue because perhaps you got pregnant. And if you get pregnant and you have bleeding, that's a sign of an ectopic pregnancy and that needs to be dealt with. So if you have a lot of abdominal pain and bleeding, another pregnancy test needs to be taken and just see if that's possibly an ectopic pregnancy. Because as you know, morning after pill is only about, it's about 90% if you're taking the first 24 hours, about 70% effective if you're taking the first 24 hours. Perfect.
1:01:45🔗
Drew
Even if you had already ovulated, if there was an egg sitting there at that time, you would get pregnant.
1:02:01🔗
Drew
That's what the bleeding is. What do you think? What is your fantasy of the bleeding is?
1:02:08🔗
Drew
I understand, but your menstrual cycle is not something that is like can't be influenced. It can be influenced by lots of things.
1:02:16🔗
Adam
Come on. Come on, baby. Or I'll ramble. And then pow. Tampon. It's like that scene from The Shining where the elevator door is open. Blood everywhere. I can get them to do it.
1:03:23🔗
Phantom Planet
Scariest part of that movie, by the way, is him looking at the servant guy, looking at the little boy and asking him if he wants some ice cream without saying anything. That's the scariest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
1:03:33🔗
Adam
Drew, what's wrong with you? That's a great movie. You know what you did? You got on tape. You watched the first 40 minutes. You fell asleep. You caught 20 minutes the following night. You didn't sit down and watch.
1:04:36🔗
Caller
Well, actually it was only like a one-time thing, but I've known him since last year.
1:05:12🔗
Adam
Look, here's the deal. I talk about rambling for an hour and 20 minutes. Drew begs me to take some calls. Then we get Michelle.
1:05:25🔗
Adam
All right. Well, look, our callers suck. Michelle, there's nothing intriguing about this call. Do you like this guy or not? You don't? Fine.
1:05:50🔗
Caller
Well, another thing is, actually, I'm pregnant and I don't exactly know if I should tell him or not, if I don't like him.
1:06:02🔗
Drew
How long ago did you have sex with him? She said, yeah. When did you have sex with him?
1:06:25🔗
Adam
You want me to talk to the idiots that call this show instead of talking myself, but this is what we get.
1:06:55🔗
Adam
What? You can do it at three months. Do that as soon as you can and we'll send you out a windbreaker.
1:07:00🔗
Drew
What are you waiting for with this? You really are at the point where you're probably not going to be able to have an abortion. So what are you going to do with this child?
1:07:13🔗
Adam
Listen, whoever's screening this crappy show, if the person's having trouble forming a sentence or stringing together words, hang up on them. I don't want to time tired of ringing people like a bar rag trying to get a goddamn answer out of them. It's just like they call up and act like we're bothering them at home. What? Yes. When? How long have you been pregnant? How long? Just shut up. Just don't call the show. If you don't got anything to say, don't call the goddamn show. And whoever's screening this show, and I can't imagine we have screeners anymore, just hang up on these retards. If they have difficulty forming sentences, hang up. I got rambling to talk about. How dare you interrupt my rambling discussion? My rambling discussion of rambling. I very... There's still many topics to hit involving rambling, and we've not gotten to any of them. Instead, we got to talk to... Kate? You're 19. What's up, baby?
1:08:30🔗
Caller
I have a question about my birth control. I've been taking it for about six months, and I've gained a significant amount of weight.
1:08:44🔗
Adam
I prematurely ramble when I hear that. I was planning on moving on in three months. I'm leaving now.
1:08:51🔗
Caller
And? I just was wondering if there was any pill that is known, like, not to make a girl gain weight.
1:09:00🔗
Drew
In general, the ones with higher progestational agents, the progesterone tends to be the one that most women are less likely to cause the weight gain. The estrogens cause the weight gain.
1:09:13🔗
Drew
Two hormones produced by the ovary. The estrogen is just the female hormone that's initially produced, and later in the cycle after the egg is released, progesterone is there. And it's what sustains the placenta in the pregnancy early on.
1:09:26🔗
Drew
Not significant amounts. Progesterone has sort of male-like effects. It has androgen effects on women to some extent. This is again back to women, how different they are.
1:09:41🔗
Adam
And I've seen Drew do it. I've seen him do it with his shoulder. I've seen him do it with his chin. I've seen him do it with his coffee mug. He'll actually use tools. Sometimes he just punches it and he works like a speed bag. Tonight, he hit it with his sternum. I didn't even know how you could do that, Drew.
1:09:57🔗
Adam
Just when you say there's no other possible body part he could attack that mic with, there's no other instrument. He's used pens and mugs and CD jackets. Pow! He surprises you like this. Wow.
1:10:12🔗
Drew
The, call it pow. The progesterone, it's funny, here's a more interesting intrigue about the female biological systems. Some women with progesterone makes them very sexual. It gives them sort of a masculine sex drive.
1:10:25🔗
Drew
Most women with progesterone shuts them down, makes them depressed and non-sexual. Estrogen makes them receptive. The whole experience of receptivity and sexuality is something men do not have at all. That's why women can have. That's nice. That's why women having sex can just have sex and not have an orgasm and go see. I had a very satisfying experience. The receptive experience was satisfactory. But there was no androgen, no male-type influence there.
1:10:49🔗
Adam
Right. So if you're putting on the weight, you should go up with the progesterone and the birth control.
1:10:55🔗
Drew
The problem being, though, that you risk shutting down the sex drive and increasing mood problems.
1:11:00🔗
Adam
Yeah. But if you're skinny, just sort of bite the bullet and put out and the guy's happy. Now, here's the thing. You didn't go back to your doctor and get yourself dialed in, right?
1:11:11🔗
Adam
Yeah. Guys dial in. Yeah, do that. Like with a carburetor. Just a mixer. Just a little bit. Maybe she's running a little bit lean. We're reaching her up a little.
1:11:23🔗
Adam
Well, I mean, she's running a little rich and we lean around. Change of timing. We retard the timing a little. All right. We'll take ourselves a little break. Yeah. It's time to take a break. Phantom Planet here tonight. We got ourselves screwed up because we played the song in the wrong part of the show. And Drew can't stop talking about rambling or zombie rambling zombie, though.
1:11:54🔗
Adam
All right. Well, and then we will adjust that when it starts getting dark earlier. You know, probably move it down to like 1130. Take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hello.
1:12:24🔗
Adam
Hey, yo, it's Loveline. I'm Adam. Sam and Alexander both here from Phantom Planet. Going to be down in Ontario at 7 o'clock tomorrow night playing at the Virgin Mega Store and then out on Tower on Sunset at 2 p.m. on Saturday, playing live shows, two live shows. Only 80 bucks to get it.
1:12:50🔗
Drew
In spite of your rambling discourse and anger towards our callers, I think we have had some good calls tonight.
1:13:12🔗
Caller
You've upset Brian in here pretty good because he tries very hard and he struggles with these jackasses that call in every night and he broke his little heart. It's very sad. It's very sad.
1:13:21🔗
Adam
Sorry buddy. Now it's time to move on. Time to ramble? I'm a rambling man. All right, listen, Brian, I know you're one man doing the work of at least one.
1:13:34🔗
Adam
Yeah, at least two or three guys. No, you're working hard. Look, it's a cyclical thing. Some nights are tougher than others. Full mode, too. Is it full mode?
1:13:43🔗
Phantom Planet
Well, that explains it, right? A lot. Well, is there scientific basis for that?
1:14:02🔗
Drew
I genuinely did like some of these calls. They've been a little different, interesting.
1:14:13🔗
Adam
How, by the way? Shut your mic, would you, Anderson? Drew, how is it you punched a mic?
1:14:22🔗
Adam
Okay, let me say this, and I'm a little upset because I was in the bathroom, and when I go to the bathroom.
1:14:29🔗
Adam
I like the whiz. I like the whiz at the one down the hall. We share a hallway with Arrow, which is the classic rock station out here.
1:14:39🔗
Adam
No, I won't get us into trouble by saying what a crappy station they are. Like I got into trouble last time, and they're fine. It's just, there's just certain songs that I didn't hear bad to the bone by George Sturgeon five million times a day. But that's not what I'm talking about. Here's what I'm talking about. I heard, should I stay or should I go by the clash while I was taking a leak on the classic rock station? And I thought, holy Christ, am I old?
1:15:30🔗
Adam
I'll tell you, but one thing that never does get old is you punching the mic or me talking about rambling.
1:15:38🔗
Adam
And let's talk to Hammer. By the way, should I stay or should I go? Heavily overrated song. Close your eyes and listen to the first two minutes of that song.
1:15:53🔗
Adam
That's clamped down. Great song. Clash has some great songs. They have some great songs. Should I stay or should I go? Not one of their better efforts. And let's all just call us up here.
1:16:07🔗
I was wondering if you could help me with two problems I have.
1:16:14🔗
The second one is more importantly, so don't hang up on me. Go. I have a boyfriend right now. I've been seeing him for probably about six months. And like maybe about a month or two ago, I just kind of like my sex drive just kind of stopped. I'm not having sex with them, but we do sexual things, basically a lot of other stuff.
1:16:37🔗
My question is, I'm kind of wondering if it's a product of like me being molested when I was younger or if I'm just kind of wanting to be a big flirt and go find somebody else. Because I really like him. He's really nice.
1:16:57🔗
Drew
I can get by with that. Well, here's the deal. Are you on any medication now? No. No birth control pill or anything like that?
1:17:38🔗
Adam
Arizona, good rambling. States solid. The question is, have you ever had sex with him?
1:17:46🔗
Caller
No, not with him. I have had sex before with other people. I'm really worried about making a big list of guys.
1:17:58🔗
Caller
No, no. I lost my virginity to somebody that I liked. And the last two I thought I liked, but I didn't.
1:18:12🔗
Adam
It seems like you guys are boyfriend and girlfriend now. You're both into your twenties. Maybe it's time to do the dirty deed.
1:18:30🔗
Drew
See, here's the thing. Is that because the sexual abuse made her feel shameful and horrible and dirty, to be sexual, she has to sort of connect with the disavowed aspect of herself. And the only person she could do that with is somebody who's also dirty and she doesn't really care about. And so someone that she really cares about is a good guy and she idealizes that her shame stands out in relation to that.
1:19:04🔗
Drew
Yeah. So really, it is kind of important, I think, if you're going to get better from all this, to just hang in with this guy.
1:19:17🔗
Drew
Don't realize you're sabotaging, you're pushing away. This is pushing away from part of yourself. Do you feel that?
1:19:21🔗
Adam
Second question. You know, I like the switchblade comb combined with the pistol lighter. Those are my things. And the flamethrower toothbrush. Oh, no, no, no. God's got them all.
1:19:55🔗
Adam
Yeah, you had to stoke it. It had a bell roll. What's up there? What's your second question? Be fast.
1:20:03🔗
Caller
My second question is about my sister. She's been like, she got married and the day she got married, she went into like some kind of a flashback type thing. And she's been divorced now and she still kind of goes into them sometimes. What she does is she just like, if she, I think it's when she's stressed out, she goes into the bathroom and she's like, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom. And she's like, oh, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
1:20:22🔗
Drew
Okay, well, she was abused to, and these are all part of post-traumatic stress disorder when people have flashbacks like that, and she needs treatment.
1:20:30🔗
Caller
Yeah, but whenever I try to talk to her about it, I try and talk to her about it, she can go back into it.
1:20:39🔗
Drew
Correct. Amber, you do not want to be evocative around her. If you go to her and you...
1:20:46🔗
Drew
Yes, if you become intent on making her feel better, I'm going to help you, tell me about your feelings, she will go into a fugue. She will dissociate and she will have flashbacks.
1:21:03🔗
Drew
Fugue is a state where you're just sort of staring off into the distance. You're sort of disconnected, dissociated.
1:21:09🔗
Adam
That's the look the ladies have when I tell them it's time for me to ramble, by the way. Yeah.
1:21:24🔗
Adam
A lot of pressure, by the way, with the name Star, especially when you're working at Arby's. It's going to be sadly ironic.
1:21:58🔗
Caller
My question is, is when I was 16, I had some real bad family problems and stuff and I became a cutter. When I was 18, the guy that I had been with since I was 15, he finally convinced me that I needed to go to therapy and I needed to get help for this. So I was in therapy for about three years. I went to therapy, I was on anti-depressants and stuff like this and before this, I had, I've been with the same guy since I was 15. He's been with me through all of this and he's helped me through a lot. Well, before this all started, we had a normal sex life and like I kind of, I took a break from like my therapist said to kind of to get myself together and to get over my urge to cut and everything. I've been off the antidepressants now for about eight months and here in the past like three months, in order for me to work out when we have sex, like he has to like claw me until I basically bleed. And I'm wanting to know if that's something to do with my problem that I had with cutting.
1:23:10🔗
Drew
It starts a great question and the reality is I don't think anyone can answer it completely accurately for you. Clearly when people have been traumatized the way you've been, individuals need very high and unusual levels of arousal and stimulation or to feel sexual and have sexual experiences. The cutting and the arousal associated with that may be part of the picture in that it's that kind of arousal that allows you to have feelings that might be otherwise threatening and for you in your case sexual feelings might be kind of threatening and may sort of manage them and be allowed to let them freely flow when you have that sort of cutting experience there to kind of help contain them. I did not hit the mic that time. That wasn't me.
1:23:52🔗
Drew
The point is people have not really worked out what that biology is yet though clearly it's all connected with the trauma and the need to cut in order to deal with the associative kinds of mechanisms and affect regulation deficiencies and naturally enough in a sexual act where you know feelings and intense biologists are supposed to flow they can't, they can't just too threatening, too overwhelming and there may there actually probably biological wiring issues there that to prevent that from happening without high levels of arousal.
1:24:18🔗
Adam
You know it's important aspect of rambling is you got to kill a guy in self-defense at some point.
1:24:25🔗
Adam
One of the reasons you need to ramble from that town. If you ramble back to that town you may be in trouble. You kill a man, he pulls a knife on you in the parking lot, fight breaks out, he's dead, you got to ramble.
1:24:38🔗
Drew
And he dies because he trips as he's lunging for you with his knife. It's not necessarily your fault.
1:24:47🔗
Adam
The thing about rambling is it's never your fault but you don't really have time to stick around and explain to the authorities what happened.
1:24:55🔗
Drew
Which again is more evidence of ramblers really just some sort of low life, trouble making guy. Of course this guy did it. And by the way he would be the guy that would see it as I didn't do anything.
1:25:07🔗
Adam
Right. Yeah. Yeah not afraid to fight the ramblers. That's the fist to the talking. Rambling guys ironically don't talk that much.
1:25:28🔗
Adam
Well, I'm just saying, it's ironic that rambling guys don't gab that much. Like Jews, Jews, they're a culture that likes to talk.
1:25:46🔗
Adam
It seems like it, but I defy you to find me historically a rambling Jew, which would be a great title, Rabbi Rambler.
1:25:57🔗
Adam
What? I should ramble? We should ramble? All right. Yeah, maybe that's the name of the song.
1:26:08🔗
Drew
Yeah, that's when the rambling occurred. But that was enough. That was it. They had their ass full of it and that was it.
1:26:16🔗
Adam
Yeah, that's meandering. All right, we'll take a quick break. There, buddy. Loveline. I'm Adam. Phantom Planet is here tonight, everybody. Well, I think we got a law. Do we have to hear something else off the CD?
1:26:57🔗
Adam
We got a quick question about someone whose clitoris has grown twice as big as it was before. A reason for me not to ramble, ironically. I might hang out a little longer with the giant clitoris. Christy, that's a song called I Was Going to Rumble. And then you're Clickbro. Christy? Oh, Drew. Oh, Christy, what's up?
1:27:26🔗
Caller
Um, yeah, I was a gymnast for a long time, from about age five to about 19, and my coach gave me steroids, and it caused clitoral enlargement.
1:27:38🔗
Drew
It also caused your voice, you hear her voice a little rough and really deep. Anyway, go ahead. You're wondering what? Is it normal?
1:27:53🔗
Drew
Not necessarily. It will not necessarily shrink back. Clitoromegaly is a routine complication of anabolic androgenic steroid.
1:28:20🔗
Adam
No, grew, yeah, it grew. So I took my boots off and hopped in bed, and didn't get up. Yeah, I gave you some, we work it out. We work it out.
1:28:34🔗
Drew
Now it's really bizarre. You're talking again about giving head to a woman with a jackalotaurus.
1:28:41🔗
Adam
Yeah, that's a little gay. That's you're right. I'm going to clean that up. Plus, I got to get it clean for radio because it's going to be played on country stage.
1:28:49🔗
Adam
So I'll work on an American rambling man who was going to ramble, but you click her. All right. I'm a guy. Rambling American man who was going to gamble. Let's hear something from Phantom Planet.
1:29:08🔗
Adam
Yeah. All right. This one is called First Things First. Phantom Planet. I like that song. Probably be playing it when you're out in Ontario.
1:32:29🔗
Adam
Like, they're out, like, the military uses 29 pounds to train for the desert warfare. When I open my first rambling school, and it will be my first of many, I will be based out of Ontario because it's got a good simulated rambling.
1:32:46🔗
Adam
Yeah. Good rambling topography. So, so, I'm going to ramble. Rabbi Rambler. Rabbi Rambler. That says one N-I. I was going to ramble. But your clit grew. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
1:33:47🔗
Adam
Phantom Planet, everybody. That's the name of CD. It's out. Get it. And look for them in Ontario tomorrow. And then Middle of Sunset Strip on Saturday. I want to thank Brian for doing a fantastic job doing the phones tonight. Harsh words. I want to thank the Magic Finger 1 engineer Anderson for not only swinging the potentiometers around, but rushing to Brian's defense. What a humanitarian. Whatever. I also want to thank Junior, producer Lauren for doing a fabulous job for however many days she was in this week. And of course, Senior producer Ann for doing a great job booking the show and putting it together. And engineer Chris out here on site. And so until next time, I'm Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying Mahalo.
1:34:42🔗
Caller
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