Episode 1000622076345

0:54 Voiceover Loveline may contain sexually oriented content.

1:00 Voiceover Loveline with Adam Corolla and Dr. Drew.

1:03 Voiceover Hey everybody, it's Loveline and Adam, that's Dr. Drew. Phone number 1-800-LOVE-191. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Greg and Brett are both here tonight for Bad Religion. I saw Bad Religion last night, yes. I know Drew didn't, Drew doesn't like to rock. I'm guessing it was a big weenie roast last night at Irvine Meadows. I saw Drew just for a heartbeat somewhere in the afternoon and I'm guessing you left at some point.

1:31 Drew We went into the audience and watched a couple bands and then when Cypress Hill pulled out that huge bong, I thought it was time to go.

1:37 Adam Well, you know, it's funny, I spoke to Be Real and I told it was the smallest bong I'd ever seen.

1:45 Drew How daring.

1:47 Adam Yeah, it's great, it's a great message. Oh, so let me kiss a little Bad Religion ass because Bad Religion was, well, there was a lot of fresh faced punk bands out on the stage. I don't mean punk rock, I just mean, you know, wet behind the ears, you know, 23 year old guys full of vinegar and Bad Religion was coming on in front of the Beastie Boys and right after, who you guys right after? Velvet Revolver. Velvet Revolver, which we will review Velvet Revolver later on, sort of a super group made up of ex Guns N Roses folks and Scott Weiland and stuff. All right, let me just say this about them. Not that, enjoyed watching them. Everyone's got talent. But, and tell me if you guys notice this sometimes, like when bands go, you guys are gonna love watching us rock for about 38 minutes. Hey, hey, over here. See how hard I'm rocking? Look at this, I am rocking. Wait, I'm gonna do that move where I go over to the bass player and we lean over and we say something. You're not gonna know what it is. And then we laugh and nod.

3:01 Bad Religion I call that rocking too hard.

3:03 Adam Yes, they're rocking. And like-

3:05 Bad Religion Overrock.

3:06 Bad Religion Overrocking, yeah.

3:07 Adam Overrocking, and like effing or playing pool, it can screw up your game. You know what I mean? Like when your thing is like, I'm gonna kill this. I'm gonna kill this break. You know what I mean? Or I'm gonna eff this chick so hard. I'm gonna be the best. I'm gonna go down on her with such vengeance. It's like, it always tends to, anything actually. You couldn't make a stew with that kind of vengeance without pushing. It's pushing. And a lot of it, and I think a lot of people think, you know, rock is like wrestling or something, where if you just throw yourself into it completely, it's all gonna work out. Or it couldn't be better than if you won 110%, but sometimes you need to take a breath, yes? Bad Religion, by the way, now here's where the Ask Kissing part starts. First off, Bad Religion, tight, sounded good. Not just that sort of wall of sound and not necessarily in a good way where you couldn't really tell the instruments apart, but well-defined, but yet loud. And Good Harmonies Band just seemed tight as hell. Have you guys been rehearsing a lot, playing a lot?

4:16 Bad Religion We just got back from Europe.

4:18 Adam There you go.

4:18 Bad Religion We were there for five weeks and took a few days off before we hit the stage last night. So we were in top form.

4:28 Adam Yes, yes you were.

4:30 Bad Religion I appreciate the, I didn't know you were there. I was glad that there were some secret observers.

4:35 Drew And where were you anyway?

4:36 Adam I was sort of in the, what, in the crowd?

4:40 Drew Well, I just, you know, you ran by, you had to get your wife in, who I was standing next to at the time when you yelled that.

4:46 Adam No, I had to get my buddy in.

4:48 Drew All right. And I saw her, yeah, I saw her 45 times. Didn't see you again. I was, I saw Chris, all right, I saw everybody.

4:55 Adam I was paying 22.50 for two goddamn beers, by the way. Two beers, two beers, 22.50. And then what do you do about tip? Like party is like, well, I would have given the guy five bucks if they were 12 bucks. Now they're 22.50. I should give him eight bucks, but I'm pissed. Like, is this gonna cost me 30? Like, oh.

5:17 Bad Religion They build the tip into the price now, don't they? I hope so.

5:20 Adam That's good, that's a good way to think.

5:23 Bad Religion That's what I say.

5:23 Adam That's like, that was my way of like, all people that die deserve it. Like our evil must be doing something wrong. That's a good way to go through life. Yeah. Okay, people that die are bad somehow. And the tip is always built in. Well, bad, Bad Religion, back to last night. I gotta say this too, that the crowd, which I thought was, I thought, well, they're gonna wanna see the Beastie Boys. They're a young crowd. Didn't look like a bad religion crowd. Not all of them. On their feet, doing the hand thing, jump up and down like maniacs. The person to my right, the person to my left just going nuts. The entire set. And it's not like, uh-oh, a bad religion's done. Let's all file in and watch the Beastie Boys now. Not at all. The place was packed. Everyone was on their feet. I mean, were you, I don't wanna say surprised, but I mean, it went as good as it coulda went, right?

6:25 Bad Religion We felt it was a very successful show. And we know that LA is our hometown, so.

6:35 Bad Religion It's a big college town.

6:36 Bad Religion Yeah, it's a big college town.

6:38 Adam I mean, Jesus, 19,000 people, just every, and I'm telling you, people were sort of attempting to rock during a Velvet Revolver, but they were rocking enough for all of us, so we had to just sort of sit back and bask in the rockitude. But Bad Religion got up there, and pow, yeah.

7:02 Bad Religion It's our hometown.

7:03 Adam Yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah. I like when people do that.

7:07 Bad Religion It's like an Eddie Izzard.

7:08 Adam Yeah.

7:08 Drew Oh, speaking of that.

7:09 Adam Well, it was great.

7:11 Drew I've run into a few younger folks the last couple of days. Everyone's very interested in hearing Chief Thundercloud.

7:17 Adam Really?

7:19 Drew I can't remember his name, but it's coming back to me as Chief Thundercloud.

7:22 Adam Oh, yeah, I think it may have been Thunder Bear or something.

7:25 Drew Thundercloud came to me a couple of times.

7:27 Adam All right, well, let's call him Chief Thundercloud. That's my Indian, my American Indian gynecologist or psychologist or whatever, Drew translates. We'll do it later on tonight. All right, what do you got? Oh, let's see. Oh, Greg is a doctor.

7:43 Drew Dr. Greg.

7:44 Adam Dr. Greg, so we have to put our paws together for that.

7:47 Bad Religion So one place I feel like I can use my doctor prefix, because I don't use it anywhere else.

7:54 Adam You know, I hate doctors. What, what was, and what's it in or what's it of?

8:00 Bad Religion I'm a doctor of zoology, so.

8:03 Bad Religion Really?

8:04 Adam And what do you, how's that gonna?

8:06 Bad Religion Not the kind that helps people.

8:08 Bad Religion That can come in handy on Loveline, man.

8:09 Adam How would that affect me? I mean, like, what could I use?

8:13 Bad Religion It won't affect you. I mean, someday maybe I'll write a book and you'll be browsing through Barnes and Noble or something.

8:20 Drew No, wrong guy, wrong guy.

8:21 Bad Religion Okay. I don't look at, I'm sorry that I can't help you.

8:25 Adam One of those big buildings that lend them to you, Andrew?

8:27 Drew Our library.

8:29 Adam God, it doesn't have the word book in it. That's why it seems, it's hard to remember.

8:34 Bad Religion Can't help you.

8:35 Adam And what, so what do you do with this zoology degree? I mean, not that you have to do anything with it, but what's the attraction?

8:41 Bad Religion For all the great listening audience out there, I wanna advocate that you don't do anything with a degree.

8:48 Adam Sure.

8:49 Bad Religion If you don't get it as part of a personal quest, there's really no point to getting it.

8:53 Adam Right.

8:54 Bad Religion Because you ain't gonna get a job just because you have a degree. So, I mean.

8:58 Bad Religion But unless you're a doctor of medicine.

9:00 Adam What would one do with a zoology degree other than teach zoology or work at a zoo?

9:07 Drew Let me ask.

9:09 Bad Religion What do you do?

9:10 Drew Is it not, do you not find it the case, this may not be true, but that your world perception and the way you think and use information changes as you get higher degrees?

9:20 Bad Religion I couldn't have put it better myself.

9:22 Adam Wow, Drew loves education, everybody. But here's what I'm saying.

9:30 Drew I want you to ask, well, Adam, imagine if you got an education, he almost punched me. What do you mean, I'm perfect?

9:36 Adam How dare you?

9:37 Drew How dare you?

9:37 Adam All right. No, no, no. Drew and I have had this argument many times, which is he always says that education or that schooling teaches you to think, essentially.

9:53 Drew Some people. I agree that you know how to think without it.

9:55 Adam Yeah.

9:56 Bad Religion Yeah, you probably, but ritual plays a part in life and going through different degree programs is kind of like, for someone like myself who never had any religious ritual, it changed my world view each time I got a degree. So you have had different experiences yourself. Maybe they're not formal education, but your world view has changed as well, probably.

10:23 Adam Oh, I'm sure.

10:24 Drew Through talk radio, listening to talk radio.

10:26 Adam Yep. Yep. I hate people that are different than me more and more. It's the years wear on. So that's what my education is about.

10:36 I'm open minded, yeah. Yeah.

10:38 Adam I'm eventually gonna narrow it down to even brown haired people, which I'm gonna have to then kill myself because it'll eventually just be blue-eyed blondes. And since I don't fall under that category. All right, Bad Religion, a new CD is called The Empire Strikes First. We're gonna hear something off that in the first hour and then something off that in the second hour. And we'll go to the phones and we'll speak to Marie, who's 25. Marie. What's happening?

11:06 Well, I have no sex drive. I just recently started taking some medication and it cut it down to nothing.

11:13 Drew What medication?

11:15 Well, I was on Selexa, but now I started taking Effexor.

11:19 Drew Well, both of those medicines can shut you down pretty good. Actually, Selexa is usually worse than Effexor.

11:24 Yeah, I had really bad side effects from the Selexa, like constant headache, like waking up with it and feeling really nauseous and, you know, sex drive. And I told my doctor that I wanted something, you know, that wouldn't impact my sex drive as much and she put me on Effexor.

11:40 Drew Are you seeing a psychiatrist?

11:42 I'm seeing, I just started seeing a psychotherapist.

11:45 Drew But the one prescribing the medicine is not a psychiatrist.

11:48 No, it's my doctor.

11:49 Drew Because nothing could be farther from accurate to put you on Effexor as an attempt to reduce the side effects on sex drive. There really are only three good ones and that'll do that. That's Remeron, Bellbutrin, and Serizone. And Serizone, they're about to take out of the market, which makes me insane.

12:08 Adam I got stuck out.

12:08 Drew It's a great medication. Because three people have had a little liver inflammation from it. Ah, take away from the world.

12:16 Adam This is my impact on Drew. He's angry at everybody now. Yeah, I know, pussies and lawyers.

12:21 Bad Religion And they keep vodka on the market.

12:22 Adam Ruining it for everybody.

12:24 Bad Religion Kind of affects the liver.

12:27 Drew But, I mean, Mary, the effects really does shut people down pretty thoroughly. It's a good antidepressant. But what's going on with you? Do you, the other thing that can happen sometimes if you have a sexual abuse history, you can go from very, very hypersexual to unsexual.

12:40 Caller Well, I don't have any abuse that I know of. But I know that I am kind of a hypersexual person.

12:48 Adam Are you, you have a relationship?

12:51 Caller No, I just kind of have a steady partner. You know, I just go over to his place when I...

12:59 Drew Friend with benefits.

13:01 Adam Why? He doesn't want a relationship?

13:04 Caller No, and I'm not sure that I really want one either. I don't, I haven't had a relationship since I was in like 18, 19, so.

13:15 Drew Why?

13:16 Caller I just can't seem to find any guy that I get along with.

13:19 Drew My concern would be that you would be bipolar. And I think for you not to be seen by a psychiatrist is probably a bad idea. You know, once you see the psychotherapist, ask him or her if you may be able to see a psychiatrist because there may be something more going on here than just depression.

13:33 Caller I went out with, actually the guy that I went out with in high school, we were together for like two and a half years. He was bipolar. And I don't think that I'm bipolar, but I don't know. I was into like self-mutilation and stuff in sixth grade.

13:46 Drew Well, that pretty much.

13:48 Adam Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy.

13:49 Drew Sixth grader doesn't.

13:50 Adam But I'd like to see kids get into it about fourth or fifth, but if you got to go as late as sixth, well, so be it. It's a late bloomer.

13:57 Drew It does suggest a trauma history. So it's a good thing that you're seeing a psychotherapist.

14:01 Adam Let me ask Greg and Brett my hypothetical. I was very proud of, I came up with last Thursday. We're trying to figure out a percentage of guys.

14:10 Bad Religion Uh-oh.

14:12 Adam Percentage of guys. Now really, put on-

14:15 Bad Religion It's putting us on the spot.

14:16 Adam You're a doctor now, Greg. Put everything in front of you.

14:18 Drew The open-minded, but the-

14:19 Adam Percentage of guys who beat off the night before they go to the electric chair. The night before. You're in the joint. You're in the joint.

14:30 Drew I think it'll open your mind.

14:31 Adam First light, you're going, lethal injection, maybe the electric chair, whatever it is.

14:36 Drew You're gonna have a big meal.

14:38 Adam You have that big meal.

14:38 Drew You're willing to do that.

14:39 Bad Religion You want a serious answer?

14:41 Adam Yeah.

14:41 Drew And we'll give you access to pornography.

14:43 Adam No, no, no. We don't give you access.

14:45 Drew I'm just for the sake of the discussion. No.

14:47 Bad Religion No?

14:48 Adam No. Because this is, this is not-

14:51 Bad Religion How many people have you asked this question?

14:52 Adam This is historically.

14:55 Bad Religion Speak of the-

14:55 Bad Religion Have you done anything?

14:56 Drew Going to the gallows or not?

14:57 Bad Religion I can only speak for myself. Yeah. And I would definitely. Yeah, yeah.

15:02 Adam A friend of mine, a guy who sits next to me at work said he would kill himself trying to blow himself. So that's how he would die. And I thought, well, you know, if you're gonna make your move, that's the time to do it. You know what I mean?

15:19 Bad Religion I would say, I don't know, maybe 50-50.

15:21 Adam Yeah, that's good.

15:22 Bad Religion I would say about 50-50.

15:23 Adam It's funny. I thought we were.

15:24 Bad Religion You know, I should put that on epitaph.com.

15:26 Bad Religion We have a poll.

15:27 Bad Religion Oh, you do? I could do that for you.

15:30 Adam Find out.

15:30 Bad Religion That's a good one.

15:31 Adam It's important.

15:32 Drew We were somewhere between 40 and 60. We couldn't quite-

15:34 Adam Well, no, you were, yeah, you were up around 60.

15:36 Drew You started at 40, then we both came down to 50.

15:39 Adam Kimmel was at 70% when I struck him with it.

15:43 Drew Speaks volumes.

15:44 Adam Yeah, I had guys say-

15:46 Bad Religion This is a conversation among people who will never be in that position.

15:52 Adam God willing, yeah. The point is, I don't know how we stumbled onto this. I think Jenny McCarthy was on here, but the notion is it would be a zero. It would be zero for women. We're talking about masturbation.

16:06 Drew Oh, it'd be zero.

16:07 Adam For women, it'd be zero. And women couldn't even understand how a man could even entertain that notion.

16:13 Drew And he was bewildered by the question. Like, what? What are you talking about?

16:17 Bad Religion That's a good point.

16:18 Adam I gotta get in a tub. I gotta have a candle. What are you even talking about? Yeah, can you imagine the stress of being executed nine hours?

16:27 Bad Religion Yep, but guys, how am I gonna do my hair?

16:30 Adam Guys are thinking. See guys, but then.

16:33 Drew That's the discussion we got into.

16:34 Bad Religion Someone brought. Does this chair make me look fat?

16:37 Adam Someone brought the religious component in, which is, you're gonna meet your maker.

16:42 Drew Yeah, but the priest's gonna come by and exonerate you.

16:44 Adam No, really? He can scrub you clean.

16:48 Drew Father, I brought a cleaner to take myself last night.

16:51 Bad Religion Yes, most of these guys, probably it's the least of their worries. Really? All right. Really?

16:55 Drew Well, most of these guys are pretty religious, going to larger chairs.

16:58 Adam The percentage, yeah. So you say, I mean, historically, the last 50 years. 50, 50, 50?

17:06 Bad Religion Do you think you could find the stats on that?

17:08 Bad Religion No.

17:09 Bad Religion Probably someone out there who knows.

17:12 Drew I suspect the guys keep it to themselves.

17:14 Adam I bet.

17:15 Bad Religion Don't have a lot of privacy, I bet.

17:16 Bad Religion I think what you said about access to pornography is a crucial element here.

17:20 Drew I think, yeah.

17:21 Bad Religion 50 years ago, they, I mean, a guy can't just make up this kind of stuff. They need some visual, they need some high-tech visuals.

17:30 Adam You ever been camping? You ever got a flat by the side of the road? Seriously, come on. Guy can't make it up. Cindy?

17:44 Bad Religion I can't.

17:46 Hello?

17:47 Adam You're 17?

17:48 Caller Yes.

17:49 Adam What's up?

17:51 Caller I had sex for the first time and I think that I got something from that.

18:00 Caller Ever hang around the gymnasium?

18:03 Adam What do you got? What do you think you have?

18:12 Drew Tell us what happened.

18:13 Caller What happened?

18:14 Drew What's the story?

18:14 Adam Hold on. We gotta talk to someone who's got a pulse. We can't, I can't, it'll turn into quail in the evening.

18:21 Drew Cindy, if you think you have a problem, go to Planned Parenthood, go to your doctor, get an exam, break it down. There's no way you can know what this is.

18:26 Adam Get a hand in now.

18:27 Drew Come on. Until you get an exam to do the culture final exam.

18:29 Adam Grab a knee, gentlemen.

18:31 Drew It's important you get it treated. It can cause infertility if it's one of the usual.

18:35 Bad Religion That helmet is not a chair.

18:37 Adam Grab a knee. Didn't like it when you sat on your helmet. That was a little peewee football thing. You grab a knee. You know, like you sit in Indian style. You take a knee, take one knee. As if you would take two or three, you know? I guess you could take a couple.

18:53 Drew Two would be resting. Two would be sitting. They don't want you sitting.

18:56 Adam Two is even, two is sort of less comfortable than one.

18:59 Drew The guys would sit two and they kind of lean, you know, remember that?

19:01 Bad Religion I can't get up from two very quickly. Yeah, yeah.

19:03 Adam So is it grab a knee? All right, let's, what?

19:07 Drew Any of the part. Everything's good.

19:09 Adam Everything's good or everything's bad? Let's talk to Stephanie. Stephanie?

19:12 Drew Yes.

19:13 Adam You're 19? You're, what?

19:16 Drew Yes, mate. Say that again, yes.

19:20 Yes, I am 19.

19:21 Adam All right, you're calling from Arkansas?

19:24 Yes.

19:25 Adam Where are you from originally?

19:27 Arkansas.

19:29 Adam Wow, some people have such a thick dialect that it actually sounds like they're foreigners. I thought she was Australian or something.

19:36 I've been in the US for a couple of years, so I kind of kicked part of that accent.

19:39 Drew I should've said, yes, mate, when we started out.

19:41 Bad Religion Yeah.

19:42 Adam All right, what's up?

19:44 I am having problems getting aroused with my boyfriend.

19:49 Drew Tell us more.

19:51 Bad Religion Is he from Arkansas?

19:56 Adam Are you in love?

20:00 I used to have this problem.

20:02 Drew Why, I pray to tell, just turn over the cards and let us in. What happened? What's the deal? Give us some detail.

20:07 Bad Religion Was he governor?

20:09 Well, I love, you know, having sex with him. And that's not the problem because I have an orgasm every time. But he's horny all the time. And I used to be the same way a year ago. And now I'm having problems getting there.

20:26 Drew Okay, how long were you as active as he?

20:30 A year ago.

20:31 Drew For how long though was this? For a few weeks or for a couple of years yourself?

20:35 For a couple of years, myself.

20:37 Drew And that ended a year ago?

20:39 It ended about a couple of months ago.

20:42 Drew And what changed a couple of months ago? Do you have to take medication? Has the relationship changed?

20:46 No, I mean, we, our relationship is absolutely wonderful.

20:51 Drew You're not on medication?

20:53 The only medication I have is birth control.

20:55 Drew And is that a new one for you? A new pill?

20:59 No, I've been taking this pill for about three years now.

21:03 Adam All right, well, let me ask this. Don't women have a sort of ebb and flow to their sexuality?

21:08 Drew Yeah, and the relationship sort of intensity can have that too.

21:11 Adam I catch them in the ebb?

21:13 Drew Ebb, yeah.

21:14 Adam Yeah, ebb.

21:14 Drew Certainly not the flow.

21:16 Adam Yeah, and the valley part of the sexuality. But it seems to do this, whereas guys do this and then it levels out and then it starts heading out. But it has sort of a predictable arc over the course of 30 years. Sometimes women get into these things and if she's very much in love, I don't know what her number is weekly.

21:41 Drew Right, we could find that out, make sure it's not some crazy high number.

21:44 Adam Stephanie? How often do you guys have sex?

21:48 Drew Currently. Three times a day.

21:53 Adam It's your fault for saying currently.

21:55 We're lucky if we have it three times a week.

21:58 Drew Three times a week is still well above normal. And maybe you're just hitting a more natural stride. Now, there's all kinds of potential explanations. Maybe you're bipolar and you were sort of a manic phase before. Maybe you've got a job now and can't do it three times a day because you actually have responsibilities or maybe some stress in your life.

22:15 Adam I mean, look.

22:15 Drew You're fine, you're fine. Three times a week does not get into pathological range.

22:20 Adam Let's look at it this way.

22:20 Drew Three times a day almost does.

22:21 Adam Let's look at it this way. All right, relax over there, Drew. Drew's a man of exquisite passion. And when he hears about kids and their passion problems, he becomes passionate, engorged with passion. Throbbing passion, deep throbbing passion. Here's the thing. You know, you can't have sex three times a day with your old lady for the rest of your life. It just, it never seems to work. I was skipping rope tonight, getting philosophical, watching the Lakers lose. And I was thinking to myself, well, I'm skipping rope. I skip rope like 20 minutes almost every day. Then I thought, well, if I skip rope 20 minutes every day, then I should be able to do it until I'm 100, because I'll just do it every day. You know, I'll never stop. I'll be doing this, I'll be doing it fine. I'll be 80 years old, I'll be skipping rope. And then I thought, nah, it doesn't work that way. And this is the same thing with this, right? It's just, you've been going at it three times a day for a couple of years, you're in year number, whatever of your relationship. And at a certain point, God intervenes and says, you kids will be doing it 1.8 times a week or twice a week or whatever it is. Maybe that's what's happening.

23:32 Drew Yeah, it's weird that it didn't happen sooner.

23:35 Bad Religion I have a question about this. Did you guys in the early days used to get so many calls from people who thought they didn't have a sex drive? I think it might be because of all the advertising and the drug companies that are telling people they should have this incredible sex drive and the new sex enhancement drugs.

23:55 Drew We've definitely had more calls. I just thought, this show gets momentum. Certain calls beget certain other, same kind of calls.

24:01 Bad Religion It seems to be.

24:01 Drew And we've gotten lately a bunch of this kind of stuff.

24:03 Bad Religion Well, it could have to do with the spam also.

24:05 Adam It's an interesting, the luncheon meat or the instant?

24:09 Bad Religion The junk email.

24:10 Adam Oh, junk email, the junk email.

24:12 Bad Religion Or the luncheon meat, I'm not a doctor.

24:14 Bad Religion It could be part of the problem.

24:15 Adam Well, cause there's probably like phosphates and things that could cause difficulty with that, the small vessels.

24:20 Bad Religion Do you eat a lot of spam out in Arkansas?

24:22 Adam I'm, I guess, I think the question is, is do you eat other things other than spam in Arkansas?

24:29 I won't eat it.

24:30 Adam Stephanie, yes?

24:31 I won't eat spam.

24:33 Adam Oh, you won't eat spam?

24:34 No, it looks like dog food.

24:35 Adam All right, good girl.

24:37 I wouldn't even feed it to my dog.

24:39 Adam That's fantastic. Thanks, baby dog. What's your dog's name?

24:44 I don't have one, but if I had one, I'd feed it to my dog.

24:47 Adam Well, you got to say hypothetical dog then.

24:49 Yeah.

24:50 Drew What would the hypothetical dog's name be?

24:51 Adam Oh, she doesn't. Who picks out a name for their dog that they don't have? Let me say that.

24:54 Drew Brings up a dog that she doesn't have.

24:56 Adam Well, that's a good point. All right, Drew, relax. He didn't hang out for your set. I did. So obviously, it took his toll because I got rocked so hard by Bad Religion probably about 24 hours ago that I'm like a bar rag that's been rung out. I'm looking to get through this show. I'm not looking to score triple double here. I just wanna get the ball. I'm gonna pass it off. I'm gonna do a little blocking out. Let's see if I can make it in the locker room because I got rocked that hard, Drew. Yes.

25:31 Bad Religion Awesome. Do you happen to know what the average is for sexual activity?

25:35 Drew It's about one and a half times a week.

25:37 Bad Religion So does she really, I mean.

25:38 Drew They're doubling the average.

25:40 Bad Religion Do you hear that, Stephanie?

25:42 Drew She's good.

25:42 Bad Religion Yeah, you're horny.

25:44 Adam She's fine.

25:45 Bad Religion Yeah.

25:45 Adam All right. And we gotta take a break. Bad religions here. I like Greg's idea, though, about Dr. Greg, about how the media, perhaps, and some of the commercials are making you think and making women think like men because 25 years ago, a woman who did it three days a week, oh, she's puttin out. Now she does it three days. Oh, my God, is she ever? And how? She's a Stepford wife. And now, three days a week, what's wrong, sweetie? Do you have a chemical imbalance? What's up?

26:20 Drew We better not bring this up.

26:21 Adam All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this.

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26:57 Adam Hey, everybody, it's Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew. Phone number, 1-800-LOVE-191, Dr. Drew. I forget about Dr. Drew. We got Dr. Greg here tonight, and Brett from Bad Religion. The Empire Strikes First, name of the CD. Saw the band last night at the Weenie Roast Irvine Amphitheater. Must have been 18,000 kiddies there. Everybody on their feet doing the hand thing.

27:23 Bad Religion Yeah, well, you said that earlier. What is the hand thing?

27:25 Adam I don't know, everyone was just like, everyone was rocking. Mosh pit got going. Saw a guy in the mosh pit. It must be nice, you know, I was thinking too, like you guys coming off of a European tour and just being razor sharp from playing so many dates in the last few weeks or months. Must be a hell of a lot better than having to get it together for the concert and try to get some practice time.

27:53 Bad Religion Oh, you mean K-Rock's Acoustic Christmas? Oh, usually at Christmas time when we're asked to play that show, we're a little rustier than the Weenie Roast. The Weenie Roast is usually a better show.

28:04 Adam I could, I'm sorry, go ahead, Brett.

28:07 Bad Religion I was just gonna say that there's one caveat because a group toured in Europe, but I don't tour with them. And I really only play with the band in LA., it's not.

28:16 Bad Religion So there is a wild card element to our shows.

28:18 Bad Religion I was the wild card element. I played because it's the hometown show. And it's interesting, I'm a Drew's looking, which I do with this astounded look in his eyes.

28:26 Adam He's a couple beats behind almost everything.

28:28 Bad Religion No, no, no, but it's-

28:29 Drew You mentioned that to me.

28:31 Bad Religion It's well known by the Bad Religion fans. I'm a member of the group. I'm a member of the creative team. I write and record and produce with the group. But when it's time to tour, I have to stay home and run Epitaph. And the group takes on the touring duties.

28:46 Adam Yeah, that's all right. Listen, it's like the main cast of The Pirates of Penzance. They stay at the Amundsen and then the Broadway cast. And then they send the underlings. They go packing.

29:06 Bad Religion Yeah, that's how it is. The rest of the world gets the... So I was pretty nervous because going on after...

29:13 Adam Oh, wow, yeah. So that must, yeah, I could see that. I mean, I couldn't see it from where I was sitting, but I could see it, you know.

29:19 Bad Religion No, understood.

29:20 Adam Yeah, you did a great job.

29:22 Bad Religion Thank you.

29:22 Adam There's nothing, didn't miss a beat. Yeah, tell you, that band, very tight. All right, so we're gonna hear a song. Got a question for the band, actually. And then we'll take a couple of questions. We'll hear a song, but we'll get in this segment. Nick?

29:40 Yeah, yeah.

29:40 Adam You're 15?

29:42 Caller Yeah.

29:42 Adam What's up?

29:43 Caller I was just wondering, I wanted to know how bad religion feels about Chase Punk rock music and how they feel they've influenced it and stuff.

29:52 Bad Religion Well, I guess that's a really tough question. Because you're not always aware of your own influence in something, but.

30:02 Caller Yeah, I mean, like some of it's kind of crap. You know, I gotta say that. Some of it's not as good as the older stuff and it's just not really the same thing anymore. I mean, I feel, it's weird.

30:11 Bad Religion Well, I think there's a lot of great stuff out there and there's some crap out there, you know? Just like anything.

30:17 Caller Yeah, exactly.

30:18 Bad Religion But I'm not gonna say that, you know, the kids nowadays are blah, blah, blah, blah. No way. There's some great bands nowadays.

30:24 Adam What about the fact that.

30:27 Bad Religion I can't think of any, but I know, no, just kidding.

30:33 Adam The fact that you guys seem to be a little more, well, there's a little more harmony in your music than a lot of punk stuff that's out there, which is kind of nice. And then the next thing is, is you guys seem a little tighter and.

30:46 Bad Religion More musical.

30:47 Adam And a little more melodic, and there seems to be just a lot of rage, or maybe we're getting past that just pure, like just screaming the ass off on stage, kind of just that sort of cathartic, just primal-est therapy that was going on about three years ago. It was driving me insane. Just, I'm the world's biggest bad ass, and I'm just gonna pace the stage and get everyone pissed off, and it's the kind of thing where you go, well, I could do that if I was effed up enough. If I was mad enough for my parents, I think I could probably pull that one off too.

31:24 Bad Religion Well, me and Greg have always loved harmonies, and I think some of our influences, we weren't necessarily influenced musically by punk bands, because when we were 15, there was no punk. Punk came when we were about 16. Actually, I'll speak for myself, Greg was 15 when we started the band, I was 17. But what I'm getting at is when we became aware of music, there was no punk rock, so the groups I grew up on were extremely melodic, like the Beatles, and probably my favorite group ever, and Beach Boys, and that sort of thing. Not that they were in my generation, but that's what I heard on the radio.

31:59 Bad Religion Right, and we always took songwriting very seriously. To us, the song is the most important thing, the melody and the harmony, and the way that the melody is supported is just as appropriate for punk as it is for any other genre of music. So that's why we, I personally, I can't sing that kind of screamo stuff that you were describing a minute ago. I can only sing melody.

32:27 Adam Yeah, well, I'm looking at your date schedule here, and if you did scream like that, you would blow up somewhere in the middle of July, because there's really, there's, I don't know how many days there are in July, but they have about 400 dates in July alone. They're doing a AM show, they got afternoon shows, they have a brunch show, and then there's two evening shows.

32:52 Drew A couple bar mitzvahs in there.

32:53 Adam Yeah, by the way, yeah, Bad Religion, and here's, there's a million tour dates, and the guys are going out on tour. The second they leave the studio tonight. So what you can do is you can just go to-

33:04 Drew A lot of cities that are hearing this show are gonna see Bad Religion in their town.

33:07 Adam Yeah, so just go to www.badreligion.com, and I'm guessing they'll have all the tour dates posted on the website. So let's hear a song. How about it, Drew?

33:19 Drew Yeah.

33:19 Adam Yeah. All right, are you cute up there, Christian? This is from the Empire Strikes First, and it's called Let Them Eat War. We played that one last night.

36:30 Bad Religion Thank you very much. You guys are too kind.

36:32 Adam Wait a minute, did you guys play Going for a Walk last night?

36:37 Bad Religion No, we wanted to, but we only had 40 minutes on stage.

36:42 Adam I knew there was something missing.

36:44 Bad Religion That's all right. I mean, we also didn't play Struck a Nerve, which has been on K-Rock quite a bit recently. It's hard to choose when you've got, we have 240 songs in our repertoire.

36:55 Adam Yeah.

36:55 Bad Religion And it's hard to choose which one.

36:57 Adam I'll tell you what would help is if you talked to me.

36:59 Bad Religion You should have come up before the show, you know.

37:02 Adam Yeah, I was just, you know, I was in the audience. I thought I was kind of doing the going for a walk thing. I kind of.

37:09 Bad Religion You wanted to signal us.

37:11 Drew Yeah.

37:12 Bad Religion I thought it was a weird dance.

37:13 Bad Religion Is that why you were doing the moonwalk out there in the audience?

37:16 Adam I was trying to signal the going for a walk thing.

37:19 Drew Yeah.

37:20 Adam All right, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk or something, because I thought bad religion's got to play going for a walk, but that's a good sign. And that's a confident band, by the way. Because they take a song that people love and they go, screw you. We got better songs. You know what I was thinking about when I was in the shower tonight, after I skipped my rope drill? I was thinking if I did one of those like a diet pill things where they do before and after, or one of those hair replacement things where they do before and after, I would have the before guy smiling and the after guy looking with kind of a frown, and I would say that's how confident we are in our product. That the skinny guy, the after guy's pissed off. Yeah, and the before guy is overcompensating by trying to smile. That's how good this product is. We could afford to F up the before and after facial expressions.

38:11 Drew Always against convention.

38:12 Adam Yeah, and then of course I would point it out that you know to see smile, that's how confident we are. Yeah, even maybe thumbs up in the before, and then looking kind of apologetic in the after.

38:24 Bad Religion But the body looks terrific.

38:26 Adam Six pack abs and a full head of hair. That's how good our product is. We don't need some actor pushing our product. The results speak for themselves. All right, Bad Religion in studio today. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Thank Hey, everybody, Loveline. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, Brett and Greg here tonight from Bad Religion, The Empire Strikes First, name of the CD.

39:18 Thank you so much.

39:20 Adam Thank you. Just talking about the Lakers' big loss again. I'm cool with that. I don't need them to four-peat or whatever it is. And my whole thing is, whoever's got the least rings, I'm all right if they win.

39:36 Drew Detroit looks like a championship team.

39:39 Adam Well, actually, they're playing team basketball and all that good stuff. And then they do this. We're just talking about. They do that. No team has ever come back after they were down three games to one. Well, but here's the thing. They ran a couple of days ago that Phil Jackson is like 43 and 0 after winning game number one.

40:00 Drew Oh, really?

40:01 Adam Which he did win. I do believe. Oh, no. Or did he lose game one? He lost game one and then won the second game. So here's the thing, though. Most of the time when you're down three to one, it's because the other team is better. This could actually happen. I mean, the Lakers are still probably a better team. All in all, they're not playing better. But man for man, they might be a better squad. If anyone in the league can win three games straight or at least win two and bring it to a seventh game, I would say it's the Lakers.

40:32 Drew Maybe it's their age finally getting the better of them.

40:34 Adam You said AIDS? I heard AIDS. I heard AIDS. I heard AIDS.

40:38 Drew I said AIDS.

40:39 Adam I heard you say age. Let's get to the phones, everybody. It'd be nice just to win a couple and be fun to come back to LA and have everyone go a little wacky. Jenna? I'm 25.

41:00 What's happening? Yeah, my problem is that younger guys are the only ones that come on to me and guys my age are kind of like intimidated and they turn kind of dorky around me.

41:11 Adam Well, because she's so hot by implication.

41:19 The guys my age, they kind of just, if I even flirt with them, they're like, oh, you know, you must get a lot of guys that hit on you. And they say stuff like that, but then they never ask me out.

41:32 Drew Why wouldn't an 18 year old be even more intimidated? Why wouldn't a younger man, male, even be more intimidated? No. Younger, if a 25 year old guy is intimidated by a woman, the 18 year old is going to be worse, more intimidated. Unless, unless, unless, Janet, this is not meant to be harsh, unless you just seem less mature, more like an 18 year old.

41:59 Maybe, I'm not like looking to get married and have a bunch of babies and stuff like that.

42:03 Drew Well, whatever, whether it's that or maybe just more your general demeanor, 25 year old maybe looking for somebody a little more.

42:12 Adam Well, first off, our callers put together theories based on about this much lab work.

42:20 Yeah, I mean, this is what my friends say.

42:21 Adam This is a guy and a half who was her age who said something like this and now every guy's that way.

42:28 Bad Religion So, what do you want?

42:29 I just want a guy that's my age who likes the same thing as I like, or maybe even older.

42:35 Bad Religion What age is important to you? The same age as you is important?

42:38 No, I think it's just the things that I like to go do. Younger guys are usually working a part-time job and going to school and I like to travel and I work full-time so when I get time off, I like to go do stuff.

42:52 Drew Here's the call. She's dying to tell us what she does and what she likes.

42:56 Caller No, I'm not and I'm not going to tell you now. No, no.

43:00 Adam Well, don't tell Drew because he's such a Weisenheimer but tell me and I won't tell him.

43:06 Caller How do you like hair extensions and stuff like that for photo shoots and styling for magazines like that?

43:13 Adam All right, I see. I see and the extensions and by the way, I evidently cannot tell when someone has had extensions.

43:23 Caller Yeah.

43:23 Adam I can't tell. I don't know. I always sit around with a group of people and they're always like, oh yeah, so gay. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Tom Brokaw, oh good, gay, gay. And I go, what? I never heard that. Oh yeah, I like the guy does that too. Like he's got four kids. He's been married for, oh, oh, oh, please, gay, come on, beard and then there's same way with the two, like they're guys, oh, horrible rug. You see that rug? I didn't know it, oh, please, it's ridiculous. Then you feel like an ass because you're like, it's ridiculous and I didn't even know it was ridiculous. Same way with the extensions, but this is a girl's thing. Oh, Beyonce, look at, total extent. Oh, I don't know, looks okay, right? Oh, please. I'm always the recipient of the please, you gay, hair stuff you didn't know. No, all right, Jenna, yes, extensions, video shoots. All right, baby, doing a video shoot, not lots of dudes, 25 plus floating around there looking to leave town with you? Oh, please. Oh, I mean, yes.

44:37 Caller I saw them coming, I saw the extensions and the gay guys.

44:40 Drew Anything, do you sort of done up yourself, do you need plastic surgery or anything like that?

44:46 Caller No, no, no, no, I'm all natural.

44:50 Adam Well, maybe you should go around a place where the guys that are 25 plus.

44:57 Caller Do you think that I need to look like more serious and mature? And do you think that guys that age want that?

45:07 Adam Not all guys, you could lighten up on the kissing potion and stop chewing the gum so feverishly. I think that'll do it. Yeah, put some flats on and work in the word indubitably. Is that the word they would always use in like the sitcoms? I always like that too. When I like in the sitcom where all I had to do was give you a tip on what this chick was into. And then you could beat her to the punch and then she would be really into you. Like she, she, Drew, give me a good poet.

45:42 Drew Edgar Allan Poe.

45:43 Adam She loves Edgar Allan Poe. Here's a copy of The Raven. You just sit there and you read it and then she comes up to you and goes like, Oh, you're into Poe? He's my favorite. Oh, she's rubbing your arm. You know, it's like she hated your guts 10 minutes ago. But as it turns out, hey, you're into Poe. And then there's always some correction where it's like, you're reading the book upside down. Oh, then you clear your throat, make a lot of noise. But that's just a way to do it.

46:12 Drew Yeah, all of them work that way.

46:13 Adam She thinks you're a jock. You show her you're an intellectual and you get her. Yeah.

46:18 Drew In a second.

46:18 Adam Yeah, yeah. They never do any one where it's like, get her coked up and bang her. Wine cooler, juice her up and go. That'll do it. Let's take a break. Oh, let's take a break.

46:32 Drew Yeah.

46:32 Adam All right. Bad Religion in studio tonight. When we get back, we're going to speak to Leslie.

46:37 Drew Yes.

46:38 Adam Mom just had a baby. They live with her. Mom neglects rest of family. Oh, this is disaster. Missouri. Get ready with that Hillbilly band show. We'll hear a lot more of that after this.

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47:45 Adam From the Loveline, I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew. Bad relation here tonight. Brett and Greg, both here representing. Saw Bad Religion last night at the Weenie Roast in Irvine Meadows, and Tight, Tight, Virgin Tight. 13-year-old Virgin Tight, this man was, Drew. Nice.

48:07 Bad Religion I don't know if that's a compliment or not.

48:09 Adam No, it's good. Let me tell you what a compliment is. It's what's in the head of the person that's giving it. You know what I'm saying? Even if it comes out crappy, no matter how it comes out, it's what the person intended. Thank you so much. Even if it sounds filthy and insulting, even if I worked the N-word in, it's what I was thinking was good, then you can have no qualms with it. Well, thank you then.

48:30 Bad Religion Thank you so much. I learned two things tonight, thank you.

48:35 Adam Yes, yeah, yep, oh yeah. All right, even though I would have played Going for a Walk, but again, that confident in a band that they can disappoint.

48:44 Drew And that complimentary, that complimentary that you can bring up things like that. Yeah, I'm thinking compliment.

48:49 Adam No, that's compliment.

48:50 Drew I understand, yeah, okay. You're thinking compliment.

48:53 Adam Hey, you got 200 hits, what are you gonna do? Why play the one Corolla wants to hear? Leslie?

49:00 Caller Yeah.

49:00 Adam You're 19?

49:02 Caller Mm-hmm.

49:03 Caller What's up?

49:05 Caller It's really confusing. I called to try to figure out something that I could do to help my mom or she doesn't get mad at me even more than she usually does.

49:16 Adam Uh-oh. Oh, well, you, wait, we just sold your call and said that your mom is pregnant.

49:21 Caller No, no, no, she already had a baby about three months ago.

49:24 Adam Oh, just had baby, that's right.

49:25 Drew How old is your mom?

49:27 Caller 41.

49:27 Drew Yeesh.

49:29 Caller Yeah, I know.

49:30 Drew Baby okay?

49:32 Caller I mean, she's like more advanced than most babies her age.

49:36 Drew I mean, she's like full weight, height, everything. No, listen, if the baby does not have any genetic issues and there's all kinds of things that can happen. The reality is having an older mom is an asset.

49:47 Adam Yeah.

49:47 Drew For the most part, although then again, the 41 year olds that just choose to have kids across 19 years.

49:52 Adam Not once it's smoke pipes, though, you know?

49:54 Drew Yeah. So what's going on, Leslie? What's the problem?

49:57 Adam They'll go outside in their slippers. Buy lottery tickets. Yes.

50:02 Caller My mom, she's really good at like having a boyfriend most of the time.

50:10 Adam I see.

50:11 Caller And most of the time, you know, they are around her for a while, you know?

50:16 Drew Just hang on one second. I'm trying to imagine what that machinery is. You think it's a still in the background?

50:20 Adam It's always, still, still. What is that? Working in a rendering plant. Rendering, rendering. Where are you working, Leslie?

50:31 Drew What role are you in, yeah?

50:33 Caller I work at Long John Silver's. I'm an assistant manager, so I'm here pretty late.

50:37 Adam Ah.

50:37 Drew You're like, the people are doing dishes behind you or something? Ice machine.

50:41 Caller Yeah, sorry.

50:42 Adam No, that's good. That's good.

50:44 Bad Religion I used to be a salad bar host.

50:47 Drew Really?

50:47 Adam Do you need a host?

50:48 Bad Religion Yeah, it was at a very fancy chain restaurant here in Los Angeles called The Chart House.

50:55 Drew Chart House.

50:57 Bad Religion I like Chart House, too. You know, we had to keep the salad bar looking sparkling clean every moment.

51:04 Bad Religion They have the volcano cake.

51:06 Bad Religion Yeah, isn't that delicious?

51:08 Bad Religion Very good.

51:08 Drew Nice.

51:10 Adam I like the beets, and I'm a beet guy.

51:13 Bad Religion I feel for you there wherever you are.

51:16 Adam Long John Silver's in Missouri.

51:18 Bad Religion In Missouri.

51:18 Adam Which I hear is home of the best Long John Silver's in the nation. Meaning to get out there.

51:25 Drew Well, Leslie's particularly is the best.

51:26 Bad Religion Are there salads out there?

51:28 Adam They do, but it's deep fried. It's a beer battered and deep fried. It's.

51:35 Drew Spinach deep fried.

51:36 Adam Yeah, they take arugula and spinach, cucumber, they dip it in their own savory beer batter sauce and they deep fry it right next to the con.

51:46 Drew So she's had a baby, she has boyfriends and what's up?

51:49 Caller Okay, well the thing is, you know, starting, I kind of wrote all this down while I was on hold, but starting about 2000, my mom has had about six different boyfriends, to me that's a lot and the thing is that whenever she's with these different guys, you know, whoever they may be, she kind of puts me and my sister to the side, my other younger sister.

52:15 Drew All right, mom, we've got some issues here. So for 40 year old women to behave like that is not what you call normal.

52:22 Caller Right, we can't say anything to her because if we say something to her, you know, mom, that hurts us, mom, we don't want you to do that. She's like, well, you're trying to ruin my life and you need to leave me alone because I'm an adult and I can do whatever I want.

52:33 Drew Right, yeah, here's the deal. Well, there's two ways to approach this, none of which are particularly great because she won't get help, she won't get treatment, so she's not gonna change.

52:43 Adam How do you know she's on something? We say treatment.

52:50 Drew Psychotherapy, just a therapist kind of thing.

52:51 Adam I don't know, I thought they outlawed that in Missouri.

52:54 Drew They did, let's see other reasons she wouldn't do it. You can confront her and say, listen, of course you're an adult. You're an adult who happens to be our mother and your actions harm us and affect us greatly. I doubt she can hear that. So really your job is to get out of there, have a life, establish a very full life for yourself, and get back and be supportive to your mother as a family member, but don't expect to get much from her.

53:18 Adam Let me explain something. As a child, I had to make this tough decision myself. You're like an insurance adjuster. You go out and look at the car. That's what I did with my family. I walked around, I looked at it, I saw the frame was bent. I saw the airbag deployed. I saw the dash cracked and the engine block. One of the freeze plugs popped out and the two things seized up. And I said, it's total, it's total. And I just, now you could spend a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of tears fixing it. It's always gonna pull a little to the left. The door's really not gonna shut right. Or you just say it's total. Collect your check and move on. And you gotta do that. You really do. Now, if she wants to change down the road, that's fantastic. And I know you're worried about now your new infant brother or sister. I hope it's a sister. A sister? Yeah.

54:07 Drew Little baby.

54:07 Adam That's good. Cause we had a stripper instead of a violent criminal. There's always room for another one of them. You wanna fill up the velvet room or you wanna fill up the prison? You know what I mean? You really gotta look at it that way. Velvet room or prison? We could always use another head in the champagne room upstairs. But the prisons are all full. So let's keep them chicks coming. All right. Leslie, you have a good job. I mean, at 19 to be assistant manager, head of the game. All right?

54:41 Caller Right. But see, okay, I'm an assistant manager. I make my own money. I pay my own rent. I have my own car. It's a nice car.

54:49 Adam You pay your own rent where? You have an apartment?

54:51 Caller I have my own apartment.

54:52 Drew All right, good, great. So what's the problem?

54:54 Caller Okay, but the problem is, is that my mom has not been let off of her for her work release. She can't work. And so I have two sisters plus my mom. They don't have any place to live if they don't live with me. So my mom's living with me and now her boyfriend is living with me.

55:07 Drew All right, well guess what? You're in charge now.

55:10 Caller Except not really, isn't it?

55:11 Drew No, no, no, no, really. You're the parent now. Now it's unfortunate when a child is parentalized, but she's living with you. Just the way she could demand you live her way under her roof, she got to live your way under your roof and that's that.

55:23 Adam Work release.

55:24 Drew She got problems.

55:25 Caller Well, I don't know how to really word it, but the doctor, she's not able to go back to work yet.

55:29 Drew She's psychiatrically disabled.

55:31 Adam Yeah, she has chronic back pain.

55:34 Caller Well, she had a C-section when she had the baby and she's not healing the way that she's supposed to because she's so old and they won't let her go back to work.

55:42 Adam All right, where does she work by the way? Competing fish joint or? Another fish joint? Where, the competition?

55:50 Caller No, but she has an accounting degree.

55:53 Adam Or red shard, as my friend's calling it?

55:55 Drew What kind of degree?

55:55 Adam A lot of blacks hanging out there now, let's face it.

55:58 Drew What kind of degree?

55:59 Adam Call of spade a spade.

56:00 Caller She has an accounting degree.

56:01 Adam I didn't mean it that way. Accounting degree, really? All right, you gotta get her back to work.

56:06 Drew You can take on the sisters if you really feel that's important. The mom is not the greatest, world's greatest parent, as they say.

56:13 Adam Drew, did you know only black people go to Red Lobster?

56:16 Drew No, I didn't know that. When did that happen? I don't know.

56:18 Adam I have no idea. I have, I swear, I went there. My Jimmy's cousin, Sal, calls it Red Schwarze, you know? I said, only blacks go to Red Lobster. Jimmy and I, on a whim, went to the Red Lobster in Westwood like two years ago. Nothing but black. They love shrimp. I don't know, what happened? It's kept quiet a little bit, but it's only the black community frequents the Red Lobster.

56:52 Drew I'm going.

56:53 Adam You gotta go. You check it out, Drew. You get your shrimp on, or whatever they call it. You can get a Lobsterita. By the way, that's a margarita. It's really a horrible name. Lobster shell? Yeah, that's the problem. It really, you think briny, fishy kind of, Lobsterita. That's a margarita, but it's, I'm guessing it tastes like something other than crustacean, but it still doesn't conjure up beautiful imagery when you hear a Lobsterita.

57:24 Bad Religion By the way, that sounds like a hooker in Hawaii. Go visit Lobsterita. She'll take care of you.

57:30 Adam Yeah, you have problems with the old lady? You visit.

57:32 Bad Religion I think you go home and you catch crabs. You don't know what happens.

57:35 Adam You got crabs from Lobsterita. Drew, go to Red Lobster. Check it out. I'm going. You guys see those commercials like once in a while, like Red Lobster will do it and Long John Silver's will do it. We got shrimp. We got May Shrimp, we got deep fried shrimp. I love forage shrimp. We got jumbo shrimp. Shrimp Bonanza. For a good time, November shrimp month and a boatload of shrimp. I was like, put me down for like five, not 28. I don't need 70 kinds. I don't need the deep fried ones. I don't need the tandoori one. I don't need the popcorn one.

58:09 Drew You've never been to those Bubba Gump places.

58:11 Adam No, I have not.

58:12 Drew Bubba Gump shrimp. Is that for real? Yeah, yeah, they're great.

58:15 Adam Really?

58:15 Drew And it's like. I'm telling you, there's a 400 different kinds of shrimp.

58:20 Adam Give me like five shrimp and now a steak. I don't want 70 different types of shrimp. It says.

58:26 Drew We're going.

58:27 Adam Cajun, it's crazy.

58:29 Drew It is crazy, but it's good.

58:30 Adam Slow motion shots of shrimping at the piled hide or coming exploding shrimps. Like people are like, you had shrimp? It's like, yeah, shrimp. Who announced that we love the shrimp? Maybe there's just a small percentage of Americans like Dr. Drew, who eat way more than their weight each year in shrimp.

58:51 Bad Religion Are you a big shrimp eater? I'm a big shrimp eater. I love shrimp.

58:55 Drew I just tonight had about 40.

58:57 Adam 40 shrimp?

58:58 Drew I had a whole.

58:59 Adam That was on the ride in too.

59:00 Bad Religion Did you ever go to killer shrimp?

59:02 Adam There's a boldness between his legs.

59:03 Bad Religion Have you been to the lobster down in Santa Monica?

59:06 Drew No.

59:06 Bad Religion It's awesome.

59:08 Adam Gotta try the lobsterito over there. Did, where the hell do you eat 40 shrimp tonight?

59:13 Drew Probably not 40, probably 15 though. 15? At a friend's house, they had a bunch of, like a shrimp cocktail shrimp. Yeah. In a big bowl. I just couldn't stop.

59:20 Adam You went 90. Because you know it's expensive.

59:22 Drew And I'm gonna get gout, but I'm sure.

59:24 Bad Religion On an interesting Bad Religion note, for a long time, Greg would refuse, had refused to eat filter feeders of any kind.

59:31 Drew Oh yeah.

59:32 Bad Religion Oh really?

59:32 Drew Well, you shouldn't eat the raw oysters necessarily.

59:35 Bad Religion You have no idea where these things are coming from. And I'll tell you this for sure though. They're coming from the intertidal zone of some polluted coast.

59:44 Bad Religion But they sure are tasty though.

59:46 Drew Very common, not very common, but it's very easy to get Vibrio and Hepatitis C from eating the oysters.

59:51 Bad Religion Here's the thing.

59:51 Bad Religion Really?

59:51 Adam Let me tell you.

59:52 Drew I had no idea.

59:53 Adam Let me say this with the raw oyster too. I would, you know, people would do it. They crack it open and they're always like, you squeeze it, put a little lemon, a little Tabasco, whatever. And then it's the way you ingest it, where you just let it sort of slide down your throat. Like a loogie.

1:00:09 Bad Religion I love that.

1:00:10 Adam Well, no, like, you know, once in a while, you bring that loogie up at your, you know, the mall, and you gotta eat it.

1:00:15 Bad Religion Hold on, hold on. You're obviously not a lobster fan. I mean, I mean an oyster fan.

1:00:19 Adam No, no. I like a smoked oyster and I don't mind it like with some pasta and stuff, but just the bar, just the oyster bar thing always drove me nuts. And here's the thing too, as far as Greg brings up with the, you know, hepatitis C and the diseases and all that kind of stuff. I don't enjoy it enough to take a chance on it. I would take a chance on a barbecued spare rib. You know what I mean? Like if someone said, look, there's a 50-50 chance you'll die if you eat this baby back rib.

1:00:47 Bad Religion But some of us love oysters.

1:00:49 Drew I know, I know.

1:00:49 Adam A lot of people love it.

1:00:51 Bad Religion Drew, are they aphrodisiacs?

1:00:53 Drew Not A, not B, not just Hepatitis C, but...

1:00:56 Bad Religion I heard that they're aphrodisiacs.

1:00:57 Drew Don't know.

1:00:58 Bad Religion I have a funny thing to tell you.

1:01:01 Adam I don't understand how people love oysters, Brett.

1:01:02 Bad Religion I don't think they're aphrodisiacs.

1:01:04 Adam I don't want to get in your grill about this.

1:01:05 I love oysters.

1:01:07 Drew I know people that love them, too.

1:01:10 Bad Religion People love like... You have to eat it three times.

1:01:14 Drew Why?

1:01:15 Bad Religion Because there's something to do with the brain and a new food, but then once you...

1:01:18 Drew You're in, you're in.

1:01:19 Bad Religion Once you're in, you're in. And I swear to God, it's like snowboarding. Once you learn to ride it, you can never forget, but it's hard to get that, you know, the oyster thing. The oysters are great. And they're not aphrodisiacs.

1:01:28 Drew Do you know all the different types? Can you tell the different kinds of things?

1:01:32 Bad Religion Yeah, but all kinds are good. Except the bad oyster, which is awful.

1:01:37 Bad Religion I think there's a lot of things that have been proven to be really bad for you that also fit that once you're in, you're in.

1:01:47 Adam Why do I gotta break on through to the other side with raw oysters, by the way? I'm happy.

1:01:51 Bad Religion Well, it's worth it.

1:01:52 Adam Lord knows I could lose a few pounds as it is. I have to really get going with an expensive thing that's raw that I guess I swallow.

1:01:59 Bad Religion So ask me how I know they're not aphrodisiacs.

1:02:01 Adam How do you know?

1:02:02 Bad Religion Well, because one night I ate a dozen of them and only eight of them worked.

1:02:06 Bad Religion Where's those claps when we need them?

1:02:09 Adam All right, let's get back to the phone. What is that with the people that eat like they're on a desert island, like Jimmy likes it, like pure pylon scrapings, like Santa Monica pure pylon. You pulled it out of the ocean floor and you just took a machete and hacked it into a ball.

1:02:29 Bad Religion You're talking about mussels, right?

1:02:32 Adam Just all junk that grows in the sea. How about a nice steak, a swordfish steak or a piece of red snap or something like that? I understand that in the lobster and the crab and stuff. Then you start getting down into the real like... Parasites. Yeah, you're getting into like the snails and all that stuff.

1:02:53 Drew Kosher food is all against all that.

1:02:55 Adam They are.

1:02:55 Drew They don't eat the snails and the things they have to eat. You have to have fins and scales basically.

1:03:01 Adam I'll tell you, the Jews don't make too many great points when it comes to the religion. This is one of them.

1:03:07 Bad Religion No, but the problem with the Jews is they won't eat the swine.

1:03:11 Adam Oh yeah.

1:03:12 Bad Religion Pork chops are good.

1:03:13 Adam Yeah, we got to part ways there.

1:03:15 Bad Religion Yeah. They can taste good.

1:03:19 Adam I'm definitely down with the lounging on Saturday.

1:03:22 Drew You are indeed.

1:03:23 Adam Yeah.

1:03:25 Drew Call her goes by Nina.

1:03:27 Caller Yeah, you are. What's going on? First of all, I just want to say I love listening to you guys. I listen to you guys every night at work.

1:03:34 Caller Thanks.

1:03:36 Caller And my question is, well, about last year in December, I noticed a discharge and a painful urination. And it went away, but then I was wondering if I had something, would the symptoms go away and I'll still have it, of course, right?

1:03:58 Drew Nina, very interesting question. And to answer that fully, it would be best if I consulted.

1:04:04 Adam Chief Thunder Bear.

1:04:06 Drew Yeah.

1:04:07 Adam Yeah.

1:04:07 Drew Yeah. Chief Thunder Bear is very, very helpful about things. He's a gynecologist.

1:04:11 Adam He's a registered gynecologist, board certified gynecologist.

1:04:14 Drew But he takes a sort of holistic approach.

1:04:17 Adam But he only speaks in the Chippewa, the Iroquois. What the hell is this?

1:04:22 Drew Choctaw.

1:04:23 Adam Choctaw.

1:04:23 Drew Choctaw and no English.

1:04:26 Adam No.

1:04:27 Drew But he speaks, but he has a very spiritual orientation.

1:04:30 Adam But you speak Choctaw.

1:04:32 Drew And I can translate. We have a little trouble sometimes, the chief and I. So let's bring him on here. I really use a little bit of information. Chief. Chief.

1:04:43 Adam Thank you for blessing the studio.

1:04:48 Drew And Chris. Chris, you know how many times he explains the... Yes, sir. Wait, excuse me. Thunder cloud. I'm not entirely sure how to address you.

1:05:00 Adam How do you want people to...

1:05:02 Drew Your Highness?

1:05:04 Bad Religion Cool jacket.

1:05:05 Drew Your Highness. It is pretty cool. The headdress. Yeah, the headdress.

1:05:23 Adam The headdress brought back to life. I just like the jacket. Okay.

1:05:26 Drew Your Highness, go ahead and ask your question, he says. If what is chlamydia? If what is chlamydia?

1:05:37 Caller If I have it.

1:05:38 Adam Based on what?

1:05:41 Drew He has not heard your call, he needs to hear your call. You need to ask him.

1:05:44 Caller Go ahead.

1:05:49 Drew Don't take all day. He needs to be a little patient.

1:05:54 Caller And I had some discharge that was like white and thick. And it was also brown and reddish.

1:06:16 Adam Then why can't you know what beat off?

1:06:19 Drew I beg your pardon. I beg your pardon. Just, Nina, your Highness just retched. I'm sorry. Chris clean it up, please. Please. He begged you for the, get the coffee to him. With milk. With milk. Real milk. Real milk. Real milk. Not that white stuff. Not that powdered stuff. He hates that. He hates it. Hates it. Hates it. Nina, Nina, Nina, thick discharge. And is it chlamydia? Okay. What your highness said, what his highness said was that this needs to be checked out. And even from his cultural orientation, this is something that they would send off for culture and do an exam and have to see a doctor or shaman in his case. You can see a shaman if you wish, but I think a gynecologist, which your highness, yes, you have to train in that. And once they examine you, and I understand this went away, right chief? Yeah. Your highness. And if there was still an infection, they could still detect it. The real concern is, I don't want to put words in your mouth, your highness. Go ahead. He was describing, he was talking to me why he sort of left speechless. He's afraid he's going to lose it. So it could still be, the clinic can go away and sort of hide up in the tubes and cause infertility. So it actually is a really serious issue that you get this checked out. The fact that it's gone, great, I'm glad it's gone. Not as bad as if you still had had symptoms, but to finish up, you do need to get checked out.

1:08:28 Adam Yeah.

1:08:29 Drew As chief says, please get it checked out.

1:08:31 Adam Yeah.

1:08:31 Drew Please get it checked out.

1:08:34 Adam Yeah.

1:08:37 Drew Before the chief leave, he would like you to go, not the powdered stuff, not the powdered stuff. He's just come on, go, go, go. Please. He yells about this every time.

1:08:52 Adam I don't know.

1:08:54 Drew He works in a radio station. Chief, thank you.

1:08:58 Adam Thank you. I'm back now. Oh, boy. Chief, Thundercloud, Thunder Bear. Thundercloud.

1:09:07 Drew I think he's been renamed.

1:09:10 Adam Well, if the kids want it, that's what they'll get. Where are we going?

1:09:13 Drew We're taking a break. Taking a break.

1:09:15 Adam All right. We'll hear another song off the Empire Strikes First. And we can also tell you to go to www.badreligion.com if you want to get any tour dates or anything like that. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right. Dr. Drew, how much money do guys spend trying to get chicks into the billion? Cars, everything. All they need is a max deodorant body spray and a million dollars. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew. The very un-finicky Brett and Greg here tonight from Bad Religion. He's no more is the cat, this Brett.

1:10:21 Drew No, no.

1:10:21 Adam There it is, monkey's brain.

1:10:23 Bad Religion Quite the opposite, I assure you.

1:10:24 Drew No finicky.

1:10:25 Adam Yeah.

1:10:25 Drew But has his opinions nonetheless.

1:10:27 Adam He's a passionate man about food, as you are about the ladies, Drew. You understand that people's passions lies in different fields, yes?

1:10:35 Drew No.

1:10:35 Adam Yes?

1:10:36 Drew Yes. That's our finish.

1:10:37 Adam All right, everybody, Bad Religion. We're going to hear a little something off their CD sometime during this segment. We'll hop to the phones. And how about the Hives? You check out the Hives? It's on. Is there something strange, something a little lost in their translation about talking, you know, they're talking to the audience a lot about if you should put your hands together for us because we're so great. Okay, so on the count of three, I say we're great, then you say Hives. So it's sort of like, that's just.

1:11:15 Drew I kept thinking to myself.

1:11:16 Adam Get to the next song. Like if you want to do, I hear Irvine knows how to rock. So be it.

1:11:22 Drew Have you missed us?

1:11:23 Adam Yeah, we have been gone, so have you missed us? Well, make noise as if you had missed us. It's like, first off, if you don't get the raising of the hands or the clapping the first time around, you can't really.

1:11:38 Drew That was another part that was difficult. It kept going.

1:11:40 Adam You must give us a standing ovation now. Like I'm saying, what are you guys doing? Cutting a live record or something? Like what's going on? Just play the goddamn rock, would you? It was, I think somebody must have told them like, are they Swedish or?

1:11:58 Drew Swedish, yeah.

1:11:59 Adam Yeah, like, okay, you guys are the coldest culture in the world. Here's the way to warm yourself up and to tear yourself to American audience. You gotta talk to them. And they like a cocky, brash type, you know?

1:12:10 Drew I kept thinking to myself.

1:12:11 Adam Because they didn't own it.

1:12:12 Drew I kept thinking to myself, they must usually play in a different kind of, like a room, a small room or something. They may have to respond.

1:12:19 Adam Maybe that's it.

1:12:20 Drew And it just put 20,000 people in an amphitheater, didn't translate.

1:12:23 Adam Who here would like to see us play more of our great music? I can't hear you.

1:12:31 Drew Oh, you, you, Jim over there?

1:12:32 Adam Okay. It's like, yeah, I'd like, that's good. All right, let's play now. Let's get to the next song.

1:12:38 Bad Religion You guys are cracking me up.

1:12:39 Adam It was, I mean, I don't know if you guys were, if you're backstage, let's see, during that or, but it was, it was strange. It was sort of, it was cute in its own way, but after about the fifth time, it was, I felt uncomfortable.

1:12:56 Drew And my kids got a picture with them. The guy, the lead singer, it's like 6'4.

1:13:00 Adam Oh, really? He's rangey.

1:13:02 Bad Religion Pele.

1:13:03 Drew Pele?

1:13:03 Bad Religion Yeah, Pele. No, not Pele.

1:13:05 Drew Pele.

1:13:06 Bad Religion The famous soccer player.

1:13:08 Adam Yeah, well, that's the other thing too. Like he cannot, no one can pronounce his names. Like I, on the count of three, you say you love Pele Gergenstugl. It's like nobody could pronounce the guy's name. Oh, they were, they were enjoyable. I just did the, that was, I found a strange moment, a strange-

1:13:33 Drew Series of moments.

1:13:34 Adam Well, series of moments, yes. Bad Religion did not fall into that trap, by the way. They went out there, they rocked, and then they went home. That's what they do. All right, who are we talking to, Drew? I think I got him. Yes, Anderson?

1:13:47 Bad Religion Remember last summer when Bad Religion was up there and the set went out, but they just kept playing?

1:13:53 Bad Religion Oh, yeah, Front of House went out.

1:13:55 Bad Religion Yeah, and playing, and so many other bands would just drop their mics and go, screw it, we're out of here, but they just stuck with it. Right, yeah.

1:14:01 Bad Religion Now, we didn't know the Front of House was out.

1:14:05 Bad Religion If we would have known that the Front of House went out, if some, see, we have a very small crew. We don't even have enough guys traveling with us to like give us signals of how the show is going. So we keep ourselves in the dark and we just-

1:14:19 Drew We made the big speakers went out the big-

1:14:21 Bad Religion Yeah, the front speakers went out. And actually we did know, but I mean, what are you going to do?

1:14:25 Adam Yeah, you got to keep rocking.

1:14:26 Bad Religion Yeah.

1:14:27 Adam That's right.

1:14:28 Bad Religion You have to act as if.

1:14:29 Adam You got to take it to the next level, Drew.

1:14:31 Drew Act as if.

1:14:33 Bad Religion It's an inward journey. Every performance, inward journey.

1:14:37 Adam I'm looking to take my game to the next level, but it's down. That's what people don't know.

1:14:43 Drew Well, that's generally where you can drink.

1:14:44 Adam The next one beneath the one I'm on. And I don't say it. I'm just going, hey, I'm taking my game to the next level.

1:14:50 Drew You're going to let your actions speak for itself.

1:14:52 Adam It's the one I was on before this level.

1:14:53 Drew Yeah, you let your actions speak.

1:14:54 Adam Yeah, going back down.

1:14:55 Bad Religion That would be a good news resolution, actually. One that's attainable.

1:14:59 Adam I'm taking it to the next lower level. Yeah. Let's talk to Mike. You want to talk to Mike?

1:15:07 Bad Religion Yeah.

1:15:07 Adam No, he's 22, Mike. Yeah, that's the sticker, but you put it over the name. I, you know, okay. What's up?

1:15:16 I got a little situation. I'm gonna try to summarize it as quickly as possible. I met my current wife when I was 15. She was 19. She was totally ready to like start a life and stuff.

1:15:31 Drew And you were 19?

1:15:32 No, no, no.

1:15:32 Adam She was 19.

1:15:33 Drew And you were 15.

1:15:34 Adam That's right.

1:15:35 And she was already a nurse and had began her career and everything. And I was a freshman in high school and anyways, I was very much wanting to kind of be a big kid and be an adult and everything else. I kind of dove into it head first.

1:15:49 Adam So you were like in the 10th grade and dating someone who was a nurse?

1:15:54 Yes. And anyway, so kind of went through life. Turned 18. We went and bought a house together. Hadn't gotten married yet. Bought a house. I was graduating high school and my house was already being built. So I thought I was just, you know, top of the mountain.

1:16:16 Adam Having a house built from the ground up?

1:16:18 Yes.

1:16:19 Drew What was your early 18? Yeah, what were you running away from?

1:16:22 I don't know. That's the thing. My parents, I kind of grew up kind of on the poor side. We, six people in a two bedroom trailer and everything else. And I was always very dedicated to, you know what, I'm going to work hard.

1:16:32 Drew I don't know what you're running away from them.

1:16:35 I didn't want to have that kind of lifestyle.

1:16:37 Drew Yes, got it, got it.

1:16:39 Adam Nurses are crazy though, so don't worry.

1:16:42 Yeah, we'll get to that part. So anyways, bought the house, continuing through life. I went to culinary school, became a chef, all that good stuff. My wife got pregnant. It was planned. It wasn't just an unexpected thing. When I was like, I don't know, just 20 years old or just 21 years old. And through that, and being a chef, I kind of met other people through the culinary industry and all that stuff.

1:17:10 Drew You started dating other people, seeing other people?

1:17:12 Well, met this other girl. And previous to that, I'd never really had any situations that had came up where I felt like I had any feelings towards anybody or anything like that. Who's that?

1:17:26 Drew Nothing, keep going, keep going.

1:17:32 Adam It's real good, better than people know.

1:17:34 So this chick, anyways, going to the bar after work, the wife's at home, really get to like this girl, it goes for like six months, end up kissing her one night at a bar, drunk, latida.

1:17:49 Adam Well, hold on a second, does she work at the place with you?

1:17:52 Yeah, yeah, this girl does.

1:17:55 Drew She's also in school with you?

1:17:56 Yeah, no, no, no.

1:17:58 Adam No, he's working as a chef and she works at the restaurant.

1:18:01 She's basically like a server.

1:18:03 Adam By the way, hold on, we've talked about this many times. The restaurant is like one big F kibbutz that a bunch of people in the early 20s show up to. Everyone's banging everyone. And if you manage a restaurant, you're in for it. And if you like the black tail, you do the red schwarzer. Cause that you can manage.

1:18:24 Drew What do you think of Dr. Greg at the Chart House?

1:18:26 Adam Yeah.

1:18:27 Bad Religion The salad bar host. Stay away from it.

1:18:29 Adam Salad bar host.

1:18:30 Bad Religion We are so far down on the totem pole, you don't get anything.

1:18:33 Adam Not, not.

1:18:34 Bad Religion We were below Bus Boy, okay?

1:18:36 Adam Yeah.

1:18:37 Bad Religion You don't, you got to graduate to Bus Boy. So you're talking about the upper stratosphere.

1:18:42 Adam Yeah. Bus boys would walk over, grab a handful of garbanzo beans, throw them on the ground and yelled at Greg to pick them up. Now.

1:18:49 Drew Each restaurant is like a little.

1:18:51 Bad Religion That's about right.

1:18:52 Drew Civilization.

1:18:53 Adam Broken English. Yeah, it is. And if you manage a restaurant.

1:18:56 Drew You're king, you're Pharaoh.

1:18:57 Adam Yeah, and you got a bunch of 19 and 20 year old hot college student chicks who want to host this gig, who want the weekend action where it's busy and don't want the weekday shift or whatever. And you're in charge of everyone's schedule and they're all looking up to you. They're all your daddy. And most of them. All right, here's what it is. I gotta manage a restaurant. Here's it. They're all, first off, they're hot. Otherwise they don't get to be a hostess at your hot restaurant because let's face it. When's the last time you saw chunky hostess with the bad orthodontia? It doesn't happen. They're hot and they're from like out of state. They're from Texas. They're out here. They wanna be an actress slash a model, mattress. I think that's the model slash actress term we can. They're doing a little college. They're making, they get a little, they get a little money, a little scratch every once in a while. But really, you're a few years older than they are and you're making their schedule and you'll do for now. Yes? Everyone's just going at each other. But everyone's kind of good-looking.

1:19:59 Bad Religion And young.

1:20:00 Adam And young.

1:20:01 Bad Religion And I'm coked.

1:20:02 Adam Oh, in the bar. Yeah, well, we'll hit the bar after closing and we're gonna have a few cocktails. I mean, what else? And no one's going home. Their parents are in Austin, you know what I mean? All right.

1:20:14 Bad Religion Let's ask Mike if you've painted an accurate picture of his situation.

1:20:18 Adam Mike?

1:20:19 Sir, I have never heard a more true description of the kitchen situation.

1:20:24 Drew The effing kibbutz is effing kibbutz on point.

1:20:28 Bad Religion Yeah.

1:20:28 But okay, so in any case, I end up kissing this girl.

1:20:30 Adam So you kissed her, yeah.

1:20:31 Yes, I have a guilty conscience by nature and being that my wife was at home pregnant, I wasn't exactly proud of what I did.

1:20:40 Bad Religion You told her.

1:20:41 So I come up with the bright idea that I should talk to my wife about this and say, I feel like there's some problems in the marriage. I feel like we could use some work in these areas. This is what happened. I don't want it to progress any further. Letting work on it. She didn't quite take it that well.

1:20:57 Adam Well, let me ask you this though, Mike, in your own effed up way. Do you think you were trying to get out there? Like, do you think like, I'm gonna blow this thing up? I'm gonna get fired of a job. I'm gonna pretend like I want the job, but I'm gonna go in and tell my boss a few things I did and see if he S-cans me and I can go home.

1:21:15 Well, I guess, yeah. If I'm being honest, that was something that was there. That was something that was present because-

1:21:24 Adam You wanna ask, you wanna tell her.

1:21:25 I've been with the same girl since-

1:21:28 Adam This is why you don't do this.

1:21:29 Drew Why Norlbos wouldn't tell her.

1:21:31 Adam All right, so-

1:21:32 Drew Not at this, not when she told her.

1:21:33 Adam Now what happens? So you tell her, it blows up.

1:21:35 It blows up, turns it to a big fiasco. I get kicked out of the house, obviously. It happens like three times. We go to the marriage counseling. The lady at the marriage counseling is really, I was amazed that she could even call herself anything near a counselor because she did absolutely nothing. We fought the entire time we were at the marriage counseling. We went there for three different sessions and every time it was just negative. It was me talking about all the things that bothered me with our marriage.

1:22:04 Adam Did you screw around with that girl more than once, did you say?

1:22:08 Well, it had kind of gone on for a few months and then me and the wife like officially separated and I went and got the divorce papers and everything else and I decided to try and go ahead and like pursue this thing with this other chick to see if it meant anything, if it was right. It turned to crap and like immediately, you know, a week or two later, blah, blah, blah. That was fine. Stay away from my wife for like another month and a half and then went back and was like, okay, I'm gonna dedicate myself to this because I've already, you know, my son has been born now and everything else and you know, I have responsibilities. So go back home, the wife begins to kind of fall into the pit of taking pills. She's a nurse. She has easy access to them. We had done them recreationally occasionally every once in a while, but I mean, literally, I was taking two or three at an alcoholic.

1:23:05 Adam You're an alcoholic. Drew decided you're an alcoholic probably about 45 minutes ago, actually. I don't know what's going on other than, you know, you can take the white out of the trash, but you can't take the trash out of the man or something. I don't know what it is, but this is that trailer coming back to haunt you. You know, you're working, dancing. Also, you're a dancer.

1:23:32 Drew Your dad and mom must have been an alcoholic, or both of them alcoholics.

1:23:34 Well, my dad was kinda on the verge all the time.

1:23:37 Drew There's no such thing as on the verge.

1:23:39 Adam Well, no, I've been on the verge for years. Well, he wasn't raging, I see.

1:23:41 Drew There's no such thing as on the verge.

1:23:44 Adam I'm not an alcoholic.

1:23:45 He was very, very angry when he.

1:23:48 Drew Look, you raise an alcoholic family system, that's gonna have a lot of impact on your relationships. You came from squalor, you wanted to run away from that. You ran into the arms of a highly codependent individual. No doubt her family were addict alcoholics as well. Things unraveled because the relationship was so unstable, and obviously, you got started when you were 15. Just the worst possible circumstance for a sustainable relationship. It falls apart predictably, but now both of your addictive pathologies and codependencies are really emerging. She's a nurse, she's got to go to nursing diversion. She has got to go to nursing diversion. Health care professionals that do not do diversion do not get well. Very simple. It's 85, 90% success.

1:24:25 Adam Why do they call it diversion?

1:24:26 Drew It's just the name of it.

1:24:27 Adam They don't want to call it rehab?

1:24:29 Drew No, no.

1:24:29 Adam It scares diversions.

1:24:30 Drew No, no, they go to rehab as part of diversion. Diversion is just a organized, structured supervision with nurses in the case of doctors amongst doctors, where they go together and are, you know, stay together, have groups together, where they have similar social and licensing issues and stressors and things, and the same access to drugs and alcohol. And they're monitored by licensing agencies and whatnot. And if they don't go to diversion, they don't get well. It's less than 5%.

1:24:52 Adam Female nurses are all pretty nuts. What about male nurses?

1:24:57 Drew I'm not gonna study on it.

1:24:59 Adam Not as nutty. Although the thin ones are. Yes?

1:25:05 Drew Thin male nurses?

1:25:07 Adam You want a heavy set man of color to be a nurse. And then he'll be sane. That's the sanest guy. You know what I'm saying?

1:25:15 Drew I'm listening.

1:25:16 Adam The spindly white guys, they're not even the chicks are nuts.

1:25:19 Bad Religion I had a male nurse just a few days ago cause I had to give some blood and it didn't feel good, man. He was a heavy set, kind of middle 20s guy coming in this big blue weird outfit.

1:25:34 Adam Did he seem sane though?

1:25:37 Drew Far from it.

1:25:38 Bad Religion He's a, I mean, but I gotta say, he did a good job of taking blood, but it just doesn't, it's not as comforting as a more traditional female nurse.

1:25:47 Adam It's weird that dude, yeah, the dude handling you.

1:25:50 Bad Religion Yeah.

1:25:51 Adam It's weird.

1:25:52 Bad Religion Coming in gentle.

1:25:52 Drew There's some great male nurses out there.

1:25:53 Adam Oh, sure.

1:25:54 Bad Religion The hairy arms.

1:25:55 Bad Religion The hairy arms.

1:25:56 Bad Religion Yeah, gently stroking your arm. You're gonna be fine.

1:25:59 Adam Yeah, yeah. Trying to find that fame.

1:26:02 Bad Religion But he was a good phlebotomist.

1:26:04 Drew You guys are not comfortable with your sexuality inside of Boilsdale.

1:26:07 Bad Religion I'm perfectly comfortable.

1:26:09 Bad Religion I'm pretty comfortable.

1:26:09 Drew No, Greg is, but I mean these other two guys.

1:26:11 Adam You know the thing that's weird, though, is I kind of like a guy cutting my hair.

1:26:17 Drew Yeah.

1:26:18 Adam It's a weird thing. Like, if you get a massage, you want a massage from a woman.

1:26:23 Drew Guy's are good hands.

1:26:23 Adam Well, that's true. All right.

1:26:26 Bad Religion I recently had a good male masseur. I rehired.

1:26:29 Drew His name has never been touched like that before. He has to be called Polly. The male masseur.

1:26:35 Adam Really?

1:26:36 Drew Yeah, it's a necessary element.

1:26:37 Adam And have some sort of accent?

1:26:39 Drew Yeah. Eh, United States, regional accent.

1:26:43 Adam Yeah. No, you don't want a regional one. Like a New York accent or something. You want like a Polish accent.

1:26:50 Bad Religion Yeah.

1:26:51 Adam Russian. Yeah, Russian's nice too. You want to use something Eastern-blasphemy.

1:26:55 Bad Religion A lot of nurses, female nurses have pill problems. Is that what we're saying?

1:26:59 Drew No, no, it's a common problem with doctors and nurses. In fact, I'm giving a talk tomorrow on impaired physicians. Really? I'm preoccupied with all this stuff, a big deal.

1:27:07 Bad Religion Yeah, impaired physicians.

1:27:08 Drew Yeah, and the fact is though, Mike, this is a really serious situation. On behalf of the child, it is critical that you both get treatment. Understand you're motivated, you're open to treatment, but one of the rules we have in my treatment center is that if a woman is ill enough to need inpatient treatment of chemical dependency, the husband's always an alcoholic addict himself. And I've never found that to be not true. I don't know why it's true, but it is true. And the history and your dad being an alcoholic and your history with drugs and alcohol and your behaviors all suggest evolving alcoholism. So you too need to participate in her treatment. She needs to go, she needs to go to diversion, needs complete treatment on behalf of the kid and you need to participate.

1:27:45 Adam Bad Religion Institute of tonight. We talked so much about diversion, we didn't hear a song. We'll come back and hear a song.

1:27:52 Drew First thing.

1:27:53 Adam After this. I'm Adam, that's Dr. Drew, Brett and Greg here tonight. From Bad Religion, Empire Strikes First, name of the.

1:28:58 CD.

1:28:59 Adam And always have such a fascinating and stimulating time when Bad Religion's in studio, that we get our talk on and we forget to play the songs. And we're gonna keep that tradition going tonight by going back to the phones and collecting. No, I look the way Drew pies into it. Come on, you want to hear Bad Religion's song, Drew? Yeah, I do, come on, break it down. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you want to hear Bad Religion's song or do you just not want to do radio for three minutes? Well, more I want to hear about. I think you gave me your answer. You gave me your answer. Okay, I want to hear Bad Religion's song. That's why I stayed to see Bad Religion, not play Going for a Walk last night about this time at the Weenie Roast.

1:29:20 Bad Religion We played this tune though.

1:29:22 Adam Oh yes, you did. Yes, you did. It's called God's Love. Yeah, Bad Religion everybody. Very nice. The Empire Strikes First, name of the CD. All right, Drew, I feel sorry for Shannon over here. Yeah, that's what I want.

1:32:12 Drew We have one minute to talk.

1:32:12 Adam Dad died yesterday.

1:32:14 Drew Shannon.

1:32:14 Adam Shannon.

1:32:15 Caller Hi. You're 20?

1:32:16 Adam Your dad died of cancer yesterday.

1:32:19 Caller Yeah, I called you guys back about four months ago, and I had found out, and that the doctors had given them six months to live.

1:32:25 Drew Right, and we were saying it didn't sound good.

1:32:28 Adam Yeah. So he died yesterday.

1:32:30 Caller Yeah, and I just, like, I can't come to terms with it. And I know it's like I've had an hour of sleep in the last 38 hours, so I'm very tired too, but like, I just, like, convince myself that he's sleeping, or that when I come home, he'll, like, be there and he'll be okay, or like, even when I saw his body, I, like, didn't want to get too close because I didn't want to, like, wake him up, or I just can't accept it.

1:32:57 Adam Oh, so what, do you have a religion, by the way?

1:33:02 Drew Are they helping you, is the clergy helping you with this at all?

1:33:04 Caller Well, my dad was seeing one and he's out of town.

1:33:09 Bad Religion Huh, wait, your dad?

1:33:11 Caller What?

1:33:12 Drew For last rites and things. Oh, can you maybe contact somebody?

1:33:15 Adam Oh, the guy went out of town.

1:33:16 Caller Yeah.

1:33:17 Adam Dad went out of town.

1:33:18 Drew All right, Shannon, here's the deal. We do not, unfortunately, have a lot of time tonight. Can we call you back tomorrow night, first thing? We're gonna start out with you, because we wanna hear her talk a little more about this and get in touch with you. Right now, the only, the sort of the, it almost seems empty to tell you this, but maybe contact the community that's been serving you, whether it's church or medical caretakers, get back involved with people that have been involved in his case.

1:33:42 Adam Friends, too.

1:33:43 Drew To help you and friends, to keep people around. You need other people, you need support right now, and whether it's from professionals or clergy or friends, get the support, and we will try to be a part of that, and we'll call you back first thing tomorrow.

1:33:53 Adam All right, Drew, don't screw this one up, too.

1:33:55 Drew What do you mean?

1:33:56 Adam Call her back tomorrow. You always forget.

1:33:57 Drew No kidding, yeah, I know. We gotta do this.

1:33:59 Bad Religion Don't screw it up.

1:34:00 Drew And Drew is here.

1:34:01 Bad Religion Shouldn't we remind her, though, that also grief is just a normal thing? You gotta feel this and go through it, because everyone is gonna go through that.

1:34:10 Adam It's healthy, it's like sweating when you work out. All right, we'll take a quick break, we'll be right back.

1:34:14 Caller Alright guys, here's the deal.

1:34:16 You're looking to hook up, sick of wasting time with the wrong person?

1:34:20 Bad Religion One call is all you need to make.

1:34:21 Call the Dateline. 877-889-DATE.

1:34:25 Caller Call the Dateline.

1:34:35 This hour brought to you in part by Axe.

1:34:38 Bad Religion Experience the Axe Effect.

1:34:52 Adam We're running a little late, so we'll hustle up. I thank Greg and Brett for coming in here from Bad Religion.

1:34:58 Bad Religion Thank you for having us once again.

1:35:00 Drew Thank you to ThunderCloud.

1:35:01 Adam Yeah, Empire Strikes First, name of the CD. Go out and get it. I heard many songs off it last night live and really enjoyed it. Thanks, guys, always a good time. Come back anytime you like. And until next time, it's Adam Carolla for Dr. Drew saying mahalo.

1:35:17 Bad Religion So ask me how I know they're not aphrodisiacs.

1:35:19 Adam How do you know?

1:35:20 Bad Religion Well, because one night I ate a dozen of them and only eight of them worked.

1:35:27 This has been Loveline. The opinions expressed on this show are not necessarily those of the staff, management, sponsors, or this station. The producer for Loveline is Annie Gold. Loveline is a presentation of Westwood One Entertainment.

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